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04:15 Arch-TK exio4: Try linear algebra.
04:15 Arch-TK exio4: That's fun./
04:16 Arch-TK exio4: But I'll try abstract algebra.
04:16 Arch-TK Also sounds fun.
04:20 Arch-TK Anywho. It's now 4am and I should probably go to sleep.
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11:49 Topic for #minetest is now Welcome to #minetest, the official channel of Minetest | Happy new year | Version: 0.4.11 (2014-12-26) | Responses may take a while, so be patient. | Rules: http://wiki.minetest.net/IRC#Rules | Development: #minetest-dev | Server list: http://minetest.net/servers | IRC logs: http://irc.minetest.ru/minetest/
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11:51 benoliver999 Or do I install client-side then run the server with it enabled?
11:53 lemonlake As far as I can tell call the texture pack 'server'
11:53 lemonlake and install it like normal on the server
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13:16 jin_xi ay bloody shit. just tried gnome shell again. gnome3 must be a troll project
13:16 * jin_xi installs slackware
13:17 sfan5 gnome shell works good
13:17 sfan5 (on arch at least)
13:17 sfan5 (no i'm not using gnome shell all the time)
13:17 Jordach XFCE ftw
13:17 Yepoleb xfce!
13:18 jin_xi well, i dont agree with all its design decisions. as if i need space on my screen to see something when i can have a title bar oh and a desktop bar and all fans spinning like a heli
13:35 n4x gnome is a troll project
13:35 n4x they're trying to design the worst desktop environment that ever existed
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13:44 benoliver999 I always wind up with XFCE if I need a DE, but otherwise I'm a full time i3 man.
13:45 n4x my "DE of choice" is KDE
13:45 n4x it does everything, is configurable, and pretty fast
13:48 benoliver999 In all these years I'm still to try it.
13:49 benoliver999 I don't change much because of the time involved
13:49 benoliver999 Although I do regret not trying i3 sooner after years of xmonad
13:49 benoliver999 It solves so many problems
13:49 * Fritigern hi-fives n4x
13:50 n4x what problems with xmonad?
13:50 SylvieLorxu KDE remains the choice for the kool kids
13:50 Fritigern benoliver999: Why not install a KDE-based distro like Kubuntu in a virtual machine to play around with it?
13:50 n4x what's the problem with xmonad? *
13:50 n4x I started liking KDE after I tried it in gentoo
13:51 benoliver999 No HUGE issues, but little things like full screen video out of a browser
13:51 benoliver999 Plus the haskell config is a pain
13:51 n4x haskell config sounds the opposite :p
13:52 benoliver999 You can tweak it to get it to work but i3 works out of the box as you'd expect it
13:52 benoliver999 Hmm I like plain text...!
13:53 benoliver999 Seriously I was on xmonad for like 4 years, It's really good.
13:53 benoliver999 Just i3 works better for me
13:53 n4x since I started writing haskell, I can't stand the lack of advanced static analysis on my programms
13:53 benoliver999 lol
13:53 n4x I don't feel confident with myself anymore
13:54 lemonlake n4x: that's not very good
13:54 benoliver999 To each his own is my main mantra, which is why I'm a linux user more than anything. It's all better than windows 8.
13:54 Zeno` The thing is... Qt == Awesome... GTK == Crap
13:54 n4x qt isn't awesome, it is just better than gtk
13:54 n4x but well, gtk is crap, so it doesn't take that much to be awesome compared to it
13:55 Zeno` yes, but given a choice between a qt-based DE and a GTK-based DE, the answer is clear
13:55 Zeno` same with apps :(
13:55 benoliver999 Sadly with apps you tend to get what you're given...
13:55 Zeno` gtk just looks yuck (IMO)
13:56 Jordach gtk's focus selection doesn't even work
13:56 Jordach gimp when selected stays behind windows even if in focus
13:57 benoliver999 gimp is also a reason I like i3 more...
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14:06 marten_ hi folks :) i have a problem with the worldedit mod on linux mint. the "set" command does set stone, air, sandstone and cobble as well as cobblestone, but "desert_stone" doesn't work but will produce an error instead (as much errors as nodes to fill). is this a known issue or am i doing it wrong? also, i didn't find docs for this mod, don't know where this was installed to. are there any online?
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14:08 Megaf I have just done a rm -rf * at my home
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14:08 n4x you're bored, aren't you
14:09 Megaf It was an accident
14:09 Megaf Im pretty much fucked up now
14:09 Zeno` thank goodness for backups
14:11 Megaf Yep, At least all my software work is at github/dropbox and bookmarks are synced and photos are still on my cameras card
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14:17 Arch-TK Megaf: Why are you pretty much fucked?
14:17 Arch-TK At least you didn't rm -rf /usr
14:18 Arch-TK or chmod -r 777 /
14:18 Arch-TK R*
14:19 Arch-TK then again, deleting user isn't that particularly scary when you can just boot into the system from a "live" cd, pacstrap pacman, chroot, pacman everything back into place and reboot.
14:21 Wayward_One marten, try //set default:desert_stone
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14:21 Wayward_One *martin_
14:21 Wayward_One grr lol
14:21 Wayward_One **marten_
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14:22 Arch-TK Wayward_One: Doesn't your IRC client have tab completion for nicknames?
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14:23 Wayward_One yes, but i'm still getting used to using it instead of typing them lol
14:23 Wayward_One only discovered it recently :P
14:23 marten_ Wayward_One: wow great, this worked. thank you very much :)
14:24 Arch-TK Wayward_One: What IRC client do you use?
14:24 Wayward_One hexchat
14:24 Arch-TK It doesn't seem to respond to CTCP version.
14:24 Wayward_One marten_, you're welcome :)
14:24 Wayward_One hmm, weird...
14:24 Wayward_One i've been CTCP'd successfully before
14:26 n4x hah
14:26 n4x I fail
14:26 Wayward_One huh
14:26 n4x there, it answered
14:26 Wayward_One ah, ok
14:27 Arch-TK hmm
14:27 Arch-TK 10 second CTCP delay
14:27 Arch-TK interesting
14:34 exio4 \o/ got PSU
14:34 exio4 will switch to my new super-cool PSU now >:3
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15:21 est31_ In my opinion, encryption isn't this important.
15:21 redstonecraftpl IT IS
15:22 est31_ There are two major issues: replay attacks on family members in the wlan, and replay attacks of users of other servers using the hashes from your own server. both can be solved without encryption
15:22 redstonecraftpl because if you are chatting with someone and for example sharing passwords or sharing information that you dont wanna share with everyone, someone could see it
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15:23 redstonecraftpl est31_ it is true
15:24 est31_ ok for that issue, encryption is important.
15:24 redstonecraftpl it can be solved by shooting every computer. If you dont have many bullets, you can drag'n'drop every of it
15:24 OldCoder How does one PM in-game?
15:24 est31_ OldCoder you use mods
15:24 est31_ usually there is /tell user something or /msg user test.
15:25 Wayward_One OldCoder, or /irc_msg username
15:25 Wayward_One to pm someone in IRC
15:27 redstonecraftpl why not just /msg ??
15:28 redstonecraftpl aa
15:28 redstonecraftpl sry
15:28 redstonecraftpl in minetest..
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15:30 Zeno` Sokomine, VanessaE, are either of you awake?
15:30 est31_ redstonecraftpl: I can live with not chatting about something very important OT ingame. If I have very important things to discuss, I use the channel to bootstrap a more secure channel eg skype.
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15:32 redstonecraftpl skype isn't very very secure
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15:32 est31_ you are right, but it is more secure than ingame chat
15:33 redstonecraftpl yep
15:33 redstonecraftpl even normal IRC is some secure too
15:33 est31_ and yes, bootstrapping isn't that a cool idea
15:34 est31_ IRC is secure from outsiders iff its encrypted. Its never secure from the server owner
15:37 Jordach this isn't #fsf
15:38 Jordach git off ma land
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15:42 sfan5 est31_: you can't use the hashes directly
15:48 OldCoder Wayward_One, thank you
15:50 Wayward_One OldCoder, you're welcome :)
15:53 MinetestBot [git] Sapier at GMX dot net -> minetest/minetest: Fix rounding error in font size making main menu and in game font sizes inconsistent aaec558 http://git.io/_V-d4Q (2015-01-02T16:52:02+01:00)
15:54 exio4 :D
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15:54 exio4 PSU - done
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16:00 exio4 est31_, I heard it more like domain/codomain, domain/image
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16:24 MinetestBot [git] Sapier at GMX dot net -> minetest/minetest: Speedup initial android startup on some devices by factor 10 or more 35149a1 http://git.io/D01DuQ (2015-01-02T17:20:55+01:00)
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16:31 Wayward_One just wondering, any plans on an official Android version of 0.4.11 any time soon?
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16:39 Megaf Arch-TK: because I have lost lots of files?
16:39 Megaf exio4: what PSU have you got?
16:40 exio4 www.thermaltake.com/product​s-model.aspx?id=C_00001829
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16:40 exio4 http://
16:40 Calinou Thermaltake PSUs, lol
16:41 exio4 I heard the smart series was pretty good
16:41 exio4 and I was between sentey PSU or thermaltake PSU
16:41 Calinou most Thermaltake products are pretty bad, either noisy or ugly, or both
16:41 exio4 so..
16:41 exio4 my case is neither ugly nor noisy
16:42 Arch-TK Megaf: Solution: Don't put files in your home directory.
16:42 exio4 Calinou, http://www.thermaltake.com/pro​ducts-model.aspx?id=C_00001951 take it!
16:42 Megaf Told you to buy a Cooler Master
16:42 Calinou CM makes good PSUs, yes
16:43 exio4 coolermaster psus were expensive
16:43 Calinou especially the G450M currently
16:43 Calinou €50, modular, quite quiet (:p)
16:43 exio4 the only fan I hear right now is the stock fan
16:43 * Arch-TK is running a Corsair TX550M
16:43 Jordach Calinou, u wot m8
16:43 exio4 which I am replacing soon(tm)
16:44 Jordach ThermalTake don't look too bad considering my tower is a gaming / media machine in disguise as a normal tower
16:44 Calinou Corsair is in general meh (mostly marketing), especially TX series…
16:44 exio4 and I bought a corsair cooler
16:44 exio4 10/10
16:44 Calinou Corsair makes CPU coolers?
16:44 Arch-TK yes
16:44 exio4 they do Calinou
16:44 Arch-TK HX series for watercooling
16:44 Calinou oh, right
16:44 Calinou not aircooling
16:44 Arch-TK And I don't know about air cooling
16:45 Calinou aircooling for the win ;)
16:45 Krock ^
16:45 Arch-TK I have enough air cooling in this room
16:45 exio4 well Calinou, what is your opinion or the artic mx-4?
16:45 exio4 does it suck too?
16:45 Calinou good thermal paste, it's fine
16:45 Calinou although stock Intel thermal paste is nearly as good
16:45 Calinou you probably will gain 1-2°C only
16:45 Arch-TK Calinou: has tasted over 50 brands of thermal paste.
16:46 Arch-TK Calinou: which thermal paste goes well with chicken?
16:46 exio4 I have a cheap 10ARS thermal paste, so you have an idea
16:46 Jordach Calinou, i prefer aircooling
16:46 exio4 10 ARS = <1USD
16:46 Calinou Arch-TK, including chocolate and mayonnaise ;)
16:46 Calinou (mayonnaise is the a good alternate thermal paste, if you have nothing)
16:46 Calinou will be way worse than stock
16:47 Calinou but won't overheat either
16:47 exio4 I bought the corsair h60 because it was either this one or a stock-fan-replacement for the price range
16:47 exio4 1300 ARS isn't much
16:47 Arch-TK I find the TX<n>M series corsair PSUs to be fine, good efficiency, quieter than my CPU fan / GPU fan
16:48 Jordach Calinou, is this a french thing
16:48 Calinou yes
16:49 Calinou “mayonnaise” is an English word too
16:49 Calinou exio4, cheap watercooling often is noisy and not too good
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16:49 Calinou the only use is compactness
16:49 Calinou (or looks)
16:49 Brains I usually check a couple of review sites like SPCR when buying PSUs...  Too many of them don't actually provide the output they claim and few review sites bother to test that.  So people buy wildly overrated PSUs, overrated in what they claim and overrated in what is actually needed.
16:50 Calinou Arch-TK, noise isn't strictly additive, but even if your PSU is quieter than CPU / GPU, you'll still hear it
16:50 * Krock wonders when mayonnaise has to do with CPU cooler
16:50 Krock s/when/what
16:50 Arch-TK Calinou: Yes, but I don't hear it.
16:50 Calinou Brains, these days, the claimed powers are mostly right
16:50 exio4 Calinou, cheap watercooling is still better than stock fan
16:50 Calinou except on very cheap PSUs
16:50 Calinou Arch-TK, mine is very quiet too
16:50 Calinou I still hear it a bit, I have good ears
16:50 exio4 right now I only hear the stock fan, as I said
16:51 Arch-TK Yes, well, I have two computers running side by side and a youtube video to listen to.
16:51 Brains My GPU fans make the most noise these days...  And getting a water block for 'em is pretty expensive.
16:51 * Jordach 's tower is almost silent, apart from the fan that's grinding against the fan filter
16:52 * Brains has wanted to go water cooled for a long time but hasn't found it affordable yet.
16:52 Sokomine when i bought the celeron i own now, i did choose it over an i3 or i5 mostly due to cooling beeing so easy. no worry about which big extra cooler to buy, how to fix it, which cooler paste to use etc...just plug in the cooler that came with the cpu. very quiet and easy to install :-)
16:52 Jordach Brains, it's worse payoff when the damn things leak
16:52 Jordach Sokomine, server almost up :)
16:52 exio4 Jordach, then don't but cheap stuff
16:52 Jordach exio4, they will all eventually leak
16:53 Jordach the more expensive the longer before it leaks
16:53 Calinou yes, GPUs are the noisiest thing today
16:53 Calinou although they improved a lot since 2012
16:53 Jordach Calinou, my 750ti wants a word
16:53 Calinou there are some fanless 750 Ti's out there
16:53 Jordach it's idling right now at 15c
16:53 exio4 room temp.
16:53 Calinou Sokomine, cooling an i3 isn't much harder than a Celeron
16:54 Sokomine jordach: i saw that picture with the kittens taking over :-) hope you'll soon release them for other mob mods as well. mobf needs them rotated by...er...i believe 270 degrees
16:54 Calinou an i5 is another thing… unlikely to be coolable fanless, except if you underclock it
16:54 Calinou stock cooler can be noisy even on a Celeron, if you're unlucky
16:54 exio4 right now my FX is idling at 50C...
16:54 Calinou a 20 € cooler will ensure that it's always quiet (eg. CM TX3 EVO)
16:54 Calinou my sensors claim a 22°C CPU package
16:54 Megaf Cooler Master, always the smartest solution
16:54 Jordach Sokomine, i halved all the digging times
16:55 Calinou Megaf, not always, but quite often :)
16:55 MinetestBot [git] Sapier at GMX dot net -> minetest/minetest: More consistent progress bar from 0-100 on startup 0db73bd http://git.io/sC-Hfw (2015-01-02T17:53:42+01:00)
16:55 Calinou Noctua is a good choice too for high-end
16:55 Sokomine hm, regarding gpus, i settled with the in-built. that'd have been better with an i5. i don't want an extra card due to its power consumption
16:55 Calinou but CM doesn't make the best cases ever
16:55 exio4 37~C in this room
16:55 Megaf Is sapier back?
16:55 Calinou whoa, here it's more like 17°C
16:55 Calinou Sokomine, IGPs are a good thing, they are enough for light gaming today
16:55 exio4 closed monodevelop which was using 100% in two cores
16:55 Sokomine calinou: the i3 doesn't seem to be that much faster. it mostly seems more expensive for little gain...
16:55 Brains Sokomine: I've got an i5-2500K OC'ed to 4.3GHz and you can't hear the tower cooler+fan over the PSU's fan.  *shrug*
16:55 Calinou especially on Haswell / i7
16:56 exio4 cpu temp went to 43C :p
16:56 Calinou Sokomine, the best performance/price will always be a Celeron or a Pentium
16:56 Calinou (it can be a Pentium in some countries or at some times)
16:56 exio4 Calinou, I don't think so
16:56 Sokomine jordach: very good! the huge digging times where very annoying
16:57 Megaf Calinou: I thought performance/price was AMD land
16:57 Calinou nope, Intel doesn't have real competition sadly
16:57 Jordach Sokomine, even better news: clay, bricks and gravel have arrived
16:57 Calinou they keep AMD alive to not get sued, but other than that, AMD doesn't do much and still uses a lot of power
16:57 Brains Depends on the workload...  Single task (unfortunately the majority) is where Intel is killing AMD at the momment.
16:58 Sokomine calinou: exactly :-) and it works fine most of the time. and if something takes longer (compiling etc.), then some waiting and doing something else inbetween is required anyway...
16:58 Calinou on multi-thread, an i5-4690 will be as good as a FX-8350…
16:58 Calinou both are at a similar price if you take into account the power usage and single-thread performance
16:58 * Jordach looks at his APU
16:59 Sokomine i'd still wish for larger view range in mt on said celeron with its igp :-)
16:59 Jordach Calinou, even when overclocking my fanless 750ti I STILL couldn't get it to hit greater than 30c
17:00 Jordach (i managed to hit 2.5x)
17:00 exio4 Calinou, "similar price if you take into account the power usage"?
17:00 Jordach it's that cold around here
17:00 exio4 I envy you Jordach
17:00 Sokomine even an i5 would not be *that* much better regarding single thread performance
17:00 VanessaE good afternoon
17:00 Sokomine hi vanessa
17:00 exio4 anyway, I have my CPU overclocked at 4ghz (and 4.2ghz turbo), and I still couldn't make my whole system use more than 300W
17:00 Jordach aftienoon VanessaE
17:01 Calinou Sokomine, performance improvements have landed in Git
17:01 Calinou try using a fixed view range like 80 or 100
17:01 Sokomine power is expensive. i don't want a system that consumes 300w. not even when playing
17:01 exio4 anyway, if I buy a GPU, it's going to be an AMD one
17:02 exio4 closed drivers are painful to mantain
17:02 Sokomine calinou: with +/- adjusted in game or as a parameter?
17:02 Brains I've not bought anything recently, but it looks like Intel CPUs and AMD GPUs for the desktop for the time being.
17:02 Calinou as a minetest.conf setting
17:02 Calinou viewing_range_nodes_min = 80 and viewing_range_nodes_max = 80
17:02 exio4 the system is using 115W right now, apparently
17:02 Calinou exio4, AMD uses “closed” drivers too…
17:03 exio4 Calinou, closed firmware
17:03 exio4 Calinou, not closed driver
17:03 Sokomine what are you doing with it, exio4? apart from chatting...which can't consume that much
17:03 exio4 watching an HD movie in background (720p)
17:03 exio4 and well, it's 115W, but it's FX + screen + netbook
17:04 exio4 20~ W are those
17:04 exio4 (screen+netbook)
17:04 exio4 it is basically idle, two cpus at 65% and the rest at <5%
17:04 Sokomine hd is overrated. sd is enough :-)
17:05 Megaf join my servers spawn and you will see your power usage increase a lot and your FPS drop a lot
17:05 exio4 I am using nouveau, I don't even have a decent FPS in sp
17:05 Jordach Sokomine, 60fps permanently at 1080p here
17:05 Sokomine megaf: vanessae's spawns are more notable for fps drops :-) too many signs
17:05 LazyJ FPS issues... those are problems with irrlicht, correct?
17:05 exio4 the whole system is running inside a linux container, and having all the driver blobs synced is painful
17:05 Jordach v_range = 151.2 :)
17:06 Calinou multiplayer is faster than singleplayer
17:06 Calinou exio4, do you use a recent kernel/Gallium3D?
17:06 exio4 3.2 because too lazy
17:06 exio4 the gpu is crap, so it won't change much
17:06 exio4 but even a 3x improvement isn't that much
17:07 exio4 based on the fact that the only way to have more than 30FPS in dutility (RE 1.4) is using 800x600 as res, and lowest settings ... :p
17:07 Zeno` I've been meaning to look into that SP thing...
17:08 Sokomine irks. how did fire get into my world? *removing mod*
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17:19 Jordach https://cdn.mediacru.sh/C/C0q4tBnw5Dqi.png better, signs_lib sings don't look so bad now
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17:23 Krock Jordach, too hard color-switch in default_snow_side.png
17:23 Krock pls2smooth
17:24 Jordach Krock, eh?
17:24 Jordach whatddya mean :P
17:25 Krock dat difference between snow and grass
17:25 Jordach oh
17:25 Krock iz liek a wall
17:25 Jordach Krock, you'd expect some grass to poke out of snow
17:26 Krock yeah
17:26 Krock much snow on top, less on the middle/bottom
17:29 * Jordach goes to work on the V6 biome
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17:46 carjack 4/11
17:48 hmmmm so much minetest, so little time
17:48 hmmmm @_@
17:49 * Brains was meaning to set up a dev-ish environment to play around with mods/engine but got sidetracked digging...
17:49 Brains Probably helps that I'm tired as all hades.
17:49 hmmmm i wish i could fork() myself
17:50 hmmmm that way i could fix lighting, work on biomes, work on the authentication, and work on the bulk worldgen all at the same time
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17:55 carjack make kids
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17:56 rubenwardy Hi all!
17:56 Calinou hi rubenwardy, chess?
17:57 rubenwardy Doing coursework. I need to be proficient at rails by next week
17:58 Calinou craft some copper rails from More Ores!
17:58 rubenwardy Lol
17:58 Brains rubenwardy: What class are you taking?
17:59 rubenwardy WJEC Computing A Level
17:59 rubenwardy WJEC sucks. It is literally learning a mark scheme
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18:02 Arch-TK oh god not WJEC
18:02 carjack they are preparing you to real life
18:02 Arch-TK why did you take that course?
18:02 carjack you will definitely need them all
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18:02 Arch-TK WJEC A Level Computing was a painful miserable pile of shit.
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18:02 Arch-TK WJEC GCSE ICT was almost as bad.
18:02 Arch-TK just no
18:02 Arch-TK just
18:02 Arch-TK no
18:03 Arch-TK I'm glad all of that is over.
18:03 Arch-TK Now when something as miserable as that crosses paths with my life, I can drink myself to sleep and forget all about it.
18:03 carjack it is like terminator, it will be back
18:04 hmmmm [12:57 PM] <rubenwardy> Doing coursework. I need to be proficient at rails by next week
18:04 hmmmm snorting rails?
18:04 rubenwardy Ruby on Rails XD
18:04 hmmmm what a shit language
18:04 rubenwardy I like ruby
18:05 rubenwardy more than python, I think
18:05 hmmmm ruby is like a hodgepodge of things that don't coherently fit, and then ruby on rails is like a super upgraded version of shit
18:05 carjack made in japan, what else you need
18:05 hmmmm there are too many ways to do the same thing in ruby
18:05 hmmmm i'm sure you've read Rails is a Ghetto
18:06 carjack haskell is the real deal
18:06 Calinou hating on languages is pointless
18:06 exio4 Ruby is cool, I mean, compared to Python
18:06 Calinou even PHP (-:
18:06 exio4 PHP isn't a language
18:06 hmmmm meh
18:06 hmmmm Python is ok for what it is
18:06 exio4 it's a work from the devil
18:06 rubenwardy The alternative is Django or PHP
18:06 hmmmm granted it could be way better
18:06 exio4 hmmmm, the scoping is broken, and Guido is a bitch when it comes to functional programming
18:06 hmmmm I find myself using Python + Flask for web development things
18:07 hmmmm Django is like made specifically for wordpress-type applications
18:07 exio4 and it lacks any kind of static checking, so it's a no-no for me
18:07 hmmmm oh right, you have a functional programming boner
18:07 exio4 Racket is lovely for dynamic programming though
18:07 hmmmm I can't take any of these languages seriously though
18:07 hmmmm they're all crap because they're not statically typed
18:08 carjack and rust is the future
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18:08 exio4 hmmmm, was that sarcasm?
18:09 hmmmm no
18:09 hmmmm rust sucks too
18:09 rubenwardy Flask looks good actually
18:09 exio4 how does it suck?
18:09 hmmmm too much "safety"
18:09 carjack hmmmm, only if you are a metal worker
18:09 hmmmm it's a big agenda language
18:09 hmmmm I watched the videos that celeron posted a while ago about that guy and his new language and i think he's spot on
18:09 exio4 Jonathan Blow's ideal language seems like a tweaked version of C++
18:09 hmmmm i love his ideas
18:09 hmmmm yup
18:10 sfan5 yay, ontopic discussions-
18:10 hmmmm it's more like a tweaked version of C
18:10 exio4 I don't think so, he's basically saying "I like C++ but I don't like C++, so I better take C++"
18:10 carjack rust is the future. does C or c++ has a logo? NO But Rust has a logo
18:10 hmmmm D is too C++ like
18:10 exio4 his ideal language is basically a crap language but with less than crap than C++, as far as I saw it
18:11 exio4 his language is basically a 0.0001% improvement of what we have now
18:11 hmmmm i disagree
18:11 hmmmm it's simply not a big agenda language
18:12 carjack D is a better C++
18:12 exio4 without being a big agenda programming language
18:12 hmmmm you don't have to change everything... people have been wanting a better language than C but all the replacements are too wacky
18:12 carjack it has a trash collector
18:13 exio4 hmmmm, also, things like "Go did it right, no exceptions! multiple return values!"
18:13 hmmmm so you LIKE exceptions?
18:13 exio4 I can't take a language without first-class tuples serious
18:13 exio4 no
18:13 twoelk when I eat I use something of the type spoon, some sort of fork and some knife. Sometimes different types of each for special jobs. Most of the time I combine two to get the job done and sometimes I use my fingers and get my hands dirty. Each food calls for the fitting tool. I can eat most stuff with my fingers but using cutlerry hasd more style and might be more efficient at times. Go figure.....
18:14 carjack but java is the best it has a logo and garbage collector
18:14 carjack even a mascot
18:14 exio4 I hate exceptions, but taking "it done right" by allowing tuples ONLY in the return value?!?
18:14 hmmmm why not?
18:14 hmmmm I suppose you could add in tuples but they're not much different from structs
18:15 twoelk mascots are vital for programming languages! They give you something to kick if it doesn't work
18:15 hmmmm in functional terms
18:15 exio4 yes, they're just product types
18:15 exio4 but they're really handy
18:15 hmmmm handiness
18:15 exio4 just syntatic sugar would be ok
18:15 exio4 but the lack of first-class things is ugly
18:15 exio4 it's basically a very complex language core
18:16 carjack all joking aside, ADA looks promising,  a little too verbose though
18:16 exio4 he also said he likes ADTs but doesn't like ADTs
18:17 carjack Alcohol Drug Test?
18:17 exio4 algebraic datatypes
18:17 carjack not abstract?
18:18 exio4 algebraic as being constructed by sum/product types (and exponentials if you allow first-class functions)
18:18 exio4 (and lots of cool properties)
18:18 exio4 like B^(A+C) = B^A * B^C
18:20 exio4 by the way, ADTs and pattern matching should be in all languages by now
18:20 exio4 they aren't even "functional features"
18:20 exio4 implicit nulls everywhere are basically the worst thing that ever happened to programming languages
18:21 exio4 exceptions are poor man's dynamic scoping, also
18:23 carjack what about templates?
18:23 exio4 macros are cool
18:23 exio4 as long as you do them the scheme way :D
18:24 rubenwardy Okay, I'm using Flask now.
18:27 carjack use node.lua
18:27 carjack ... it actually exists?!
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18:37 Sokomine Jordach: in order to have grass (and other plants) grow "inside" snow, just try my moresnow mod. it places the snow-node technically in the air above the plant - thus it looks as if the plant grows in the snow
18:37 Jordach Sokomine, it's implied the area is too cold for the plants to grow there
18:42 Sokomine jordach: ah, ok. still, moresnow might be useful. players could place nodebox-like nodes somewhere...or use fences. all that looks odd with normal snow
18:43 Jordach Sokomine, ah
18:43 Jordach i might eventually add ity
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18:57 dakotalongears Hai
18:57 lemonlake dakotalongears: Hai
18:58 Arch-TK hmm]
18:58 lemonlake bai...
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20:14 zigz are you planning to integrate freeminer patches into minetest?
20:14 zigz their terrain is now loads faster
20:21 Calinou unlikely, zigz
20:21 Calinou (also, we can't add long patches)
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20:30 zigz also i joined a server and most of the terrain doesnt load
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20:34 lemonlake what's the current minetest vs freeminer?
20:37 zigz slower
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20:38 zigz also in freeminer jitter is greatly recuded
20:38 zigz reduced*
20:38 lemonlake which is slower?
20:44 zigz minetest
20:44 zigz what mods does the xanadu server use?
20:45 Calinou I'd say greatly increased…
20:45 Calinou zigz, http://servers.minetest.net/ ⇒ hover mouse on Xanadu server mods
20:45 Calinou Version, subgame, Mapgenerator
20:46 Calinou 54 mods
21:12 jojoa1997` back
21:12 Calinou hi jojoa1997
21:12 jojoa1997 Hi Calinou
21:12 Calinou long time no see
21:12 Calinou Minetest 0.4.11 is out, try it ;)
21:13 jojoa1997 I actually did try it out. No lag \o/
21:16 sfan5 !server ping:least
21:16 MinetestBot sfan5: Voxelgarden | 178.62.146.72 | Clients: 0/30, 0/5 | Version: 0.4.11 / Voxelgarden | Ping: 1ms
21:16 sfan5 >1ms
21:16 sfan5 must be hosted in amsterdam
21:16 jojoa1997 what is voxelgarden?
21:16 sfan5 a subgame
21:17 jojoa1997 Calinou would i be able to use git to download your game?
21:18 sfan5 yep that voxelgarden server is hosted on DO in AMS
21:18 Calinou jojoa1997, yes, it is on Gitorious
21:18 sfan5 that explains the low ping
21:18 Calinou https://gitorious.org/calinou/carbone
21:18 jojoa1997 what is hmmmm's name on github?
21:19 sfan5 jojoa1997: https://github.com/kwolekr
21:19 jojoa1997 tanks
21:19 jojoa1997 thanks
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21:22 Calinou world of thanks
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21:40 carjack where can I rate servers?
21:40 sfan5 nowhere
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21:41 carjack I think next episode should show user rating in the server browser
21:41 carjack season 4 episode 12 of minetest
21:41 sfan5 what?
21:41 sfan5 oh
21:41 sfan5 nvm
21:42 carjack only registered forum users should be allowed to rate
21:43 carjack so you can sort servers by rating instead of number of users
21:46 carjack lets say it is over 5 stars, servers which donate to minetest gets a platinum star
21:47 UnknownSentinel pay to win <-> open source
21:47 kahrl I know 1-dimensional rating systems are all over the web, but I never know how to interpret them
21:47 exio4 donating to minetest shouldn't give you a "star"
21:47 sfan5 ^
21:47 kahrl "the buildings on this server are nice, 5/5 would sightsee again"
21:47 exio4 me neither, that's is my argument too kahrl
21:47 kahrl "the people on this server are nice, 5/5 would chat again"
21:47 kahrl "there is no lag, 5/5 would connect again"
21:47 kahrl "the protection mod on this server sucks, 5/5 would grief again"
21:48 UnknownSentinel Donating is good and very beneficial, but minecraft is full of pay to win shit
21:48 acerspyro ^
21:48 exio4 you should allow multi-variate ratings
21:49 exio4 which variables are the ones we should decide too and MAYBE, make a very rough guess based on all of those
21:49 UnknownSentinel Minetest has the basis for all blocks ( API ) but a more beautifull render engine or optional shader mod would be  nice
21:49 carjack if a user donates he/she can vote multiple times also receives a hat
21:49 * carjack hides
21:51 UnknownSentinel Is there a shaders like mod for minetest?
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21:51 marktraceur kahrl: Obviously model it after slashdot
21:51 marktraceur 5/5 griefability 3/5 nice people 2/5 interesting buildings 5/5 mod choices
21:51 marktraceur 0/5 connection speed (couldn't connect at all, but I imagine the people are nice)
21:52 kahrl heh
21:52 UnknownSentinel The ultimate game would be the basis of minetest combined with the graphics of terasology
22:12 Calinou we have shader support, UnknownSentinel
22:12 Calinou additional shaders could be written to do just about anything
22:12 Calinou also, be sure to use an HD texture pack
22:12 Calinou will probably look good enough for now
22:13 UnknownSentinel is there a link to a page with the shaders? :p
22:13 Calinou there is none… I'm just saying you could write them
22:13 UnknownSentinel :o
22:13 Calinou we could, in theory, have reflective water or such
22:14 UnknownSentinel nice, I wish I had experience with making shaders :)
22:14 exio4 theory? didn't know the shaders allowed for it right now
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22:16 carjack yes way to reduce my FPS
22:17 UnknownSentinel https://github.com/minetest/minetest/blob/master/​client/shaders/nodes_shader/opengl_fragment.glsl
22:18 UnknownSentinel apparently minetest does use glsl shaders
22:18 Calinou yep
22:18 Calinou since 2 years ago now!
22:21 UnknownSentinel haha, i am looking through the sonic ether shader for minecraft and they use fsh(fragment in minetest) and vsh( vertex in minetest)
22:22 Calinou there is none
22:22 Calinou custom shaders are a possibility, that's just what I'm saying
22:22 Calinou GLSL programming is tricky
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22:56 Sokomine Calinous advice to set view range to a fixed min *and* max was a very good one. it helps a lot. i was even able to look around a bit on vanessae's survival server this tim. beforehand, spawn made fps so low it was hard to navigate. now i even was able to push fps up to 600...admittedly with 0 to 1 fps
22:57 exio4 600FPS? wat? :D
22:57 Sokomine er, no. a view range of 600. worked better than unlimited view range
22:57 LittleJoe O.O
22:57 LittleJoe how?
22:57 kaeza <kahrl> I know 1-dimensional rating systems are all over the web, but I never know how to interpret them <-- relevant: http://xkcd.com/1098/
22:57 Sokomine the landscape is very beautiful with all those moretrees, plants and other buildings
22:57 kaeza also, greetings
22:58 Sokomine hi kaeza
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