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Arch-TK |
exio4: Try linear algebra. |
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Arch-TK |
exio4: That's fun./ |
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Arch-TK |
exio4: But I'll try abstract algebra. |
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Arch-TK |
Also sounds fun. |
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Arch-TK |
Anywho. It's now 4am and I should probably go to sleep. |
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Topic for #minetest is now Welcome to #minetest, the official channel of Minetest | Happy new year | Version: 0.4.11 (2014-12-26) | Responses may take a while, so be patient. | Rules: http://wiki.minetest.net/IRC#Rules | Development: #minetest-dev | Server list: http://minetest.net/servers | IRC logs: http://irc.minetest.ru/minetest/ |
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benoliver999 |
Or do I install client-side then run the server with it enabled? |
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lemonlake |
As far as I can tell call the texture pack 'server' |
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lemonlake |
and install it like normal on the server |
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jin_xi |
ay bloody shit. just tried gnome shell again. gnome3 must be a troll project |
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* jin_xi |
installs slackware |
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sfan5 |
gnome shell works good |
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sfan5 |
(on arch at least) |
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sfan5 |
(no i'm not using gnome shell all the time) |
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Jordach |
XFCE ftw |
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Yepoleb |
xfce! |
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jin_xi |
well, i dont agree with all its design decisions. as if i need space on my screen to see something when i can have a title bar oh and a desktop bar and all fans spinning like a heli |
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n4x |
gnome is a troll project |
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n4x |
they're trying to design the worst desktop environment that ever existed |
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benoliver999 |
I always wind up with XFCE if I need a DE, but otherwise I'm a full time i3 man. |
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n4x |
my "DE of choice" is KDE |
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n4x |
it does everything, is configurable, and pretty fast |
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benoliver999 |
In all these years I'm still to try it. |
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benoliver999 |
I don't change much because of the time involved |
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benoliver999 |
Although I do regret not trying i3 sooner after years of xmonad |
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benoliver999 |
It solves so many problems |
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* Fritigern |
hi-fives n4x |
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n4x |
what problems with xmonad? |
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SylvieLorxu |
KDE remains the choice for the kool kids |
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Fritigern |
benoliver999: Why not install a KDE-based distro like Kubuntu in a virtual machine to play around with it? |
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n4x |
what's the problem with xmonad? * |
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n4x |
I started liking KDE after I tried it in gentoo |
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benoliver999 |
No HUGE issues, but little things like full screen video out of a browser |
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benoliver999 |
Plus the haskell config is a pain |
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n4x |
haskell config sounds the opposite :p |
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benoliver999 |
You can tweak it to get it to work but i3 works out of the box as you'd expect it |
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benoliver999 |
Hmm I like plain text...! |
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benoliver999 |
Seriously I was on xmonad for like 4 years, It's really good. |
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benoliver999 |
Just i3 works better for me |
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n4x |
since I started writing haskell, I can't stand the lack of advanced static analysis on my programms |
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benoliver999 |
lol |
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n4x |
I don't feel confident with myself anymore |
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lemonlake |
n4x: that's not very good |
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benoliver999 |
To each his own is my main mantra, which is why I'm a linux user more than anything. It's all better than windows 8. |
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Zeno` |
The thing is... Qt == Awesome... GTK == Crap |
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n4x |
qt isn't awesome, it is just better than gtk |
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n4x |
but well, gtk is crap, so it doesn't take that much to be awesome compared to it |
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Zeno` |
yes, but given a choice between a qt-based DE and a GTK-based DE, the answer is clear |
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Zeno` |
same with apps :( |
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benoliver999 |
Sadly with apps you tend to get what you're given... |
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Zeno` |
gtk just looks yuck (IMO) |
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Jordach |
gtk's focus selection doesn't even work |
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Jordach |
gimp when selected stays behind windows even if in focus |
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benoliver999 |
gimp is also a reason I like i3 more... |
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marten_ |
hi folks :) i have a problem with the worldedit mod on linux mint. the "set" command does set stone, air, sandstone and cobble as well as cobblestone, but "desert_stone" doesn't work but will produce an error instead (as much errors as nodes to fill). is this a known issue or am i doing it wrong? also, i didn't find docs for this mod, don't know where this was installed to. are there any online? |
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Megaf |
I have just done a rm -rf * at my home |
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n4x |
you're bored, aren't you |
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Megaf |
It was an accident |
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Megaf |
Im pretty much fucked up now |
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Zeno` |
thank goodness for backups |
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Megaf |
Yep, At least all my software work is at github/dropbox and bookmarks are synced and photos are still on my cameras card |
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Arch-TK |
Megaf: Why are you pretty much fucked? |
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Arch-TK |
At least you didn't rm -rf /usr |
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Arch-TK |
or chmod -r 777 / |
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Arch-TK |
R* |
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Arch-TK |
then again, deleting user isn't that particularly scary when you can just boot into the system from a "live" cd, pacstrap pacman, chroot, pacman everything back into place and reboot. |
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Wayward_One |
marten, try //set default:desert_stone |
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Wayward_One |
*martin_ |
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Wayward_One |
grr lol |
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Wayward_One |
**marten_ |
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Arch-TK |
Wayward_One: Doesn't your IRC client have tab completion for nicknames? |
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Wayward_One |
yes, but i'm still getting used to using it instead of typing them lol |
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Wayward_One |
only discovered it recently :P |
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marten_ |
Wayward_One: wow great, this worked. thank you very much :) |
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Arch-TK |
Wayward_One: What IRC client do you use? |
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Wayward_One |
hexchat |
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Arch-TK |
It doesn't seem to respond to CTCP version. |
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Wayward_One |
marten_, you're welcome :) |
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Wayward_One |
hmm, weird... |
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Wayward_One |
i've been CTCP'd successfully before |
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n4x |
hah |
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n4x |
I fail |
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Wayward_One |
huh |
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n4x |
there, it answered |
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Wayward_One |
ah, ok |
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Arch-TK |
hmm |
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Arch-TK |
10 second CTCP delay |
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Arch-TK |
interesting |
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exio4 |
\o/ got PSU |
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exio4 |
will switch to my new super-cool PSU now >:3 |
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est31_ |
In my opinion, encryption isn't this important. |
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redstonecraftpl |
IT IS |
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est31_ |
There are two major issues: replay attacks on family members in the wlan, and replay attacks of users of other servers using the hashes from your own server. both can be solved without encryption |
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redstonecraftpl |
because if you are chatting with someone and for example sharing passwords or sharing information that you dont wanna share with everyone, someone could see it |
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redstonecraftpl |
est31_ it is true |
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est31_ |
ok for that issue, encryption is important. |
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redstonecraftpl |
it can be solved by shooting every computer. If you dont have many bullets, you can drag'n'drop every of it |
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OldCoder |
How does one PM in-game? |
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est31_ |
OldCoder you use mods |
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est31_ |
usually there is /tell user something or /msg user test. |
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Wayward_One |
OldCoder, or /irc_msg username |
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Wayward_One |
to pm someone in IRC |
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redstonecraftpl |
why not just /msg ?? |
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redstonecraftpl |
aa |
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redstonecraftpl |
sry |
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redstonecraftpl |
in minetest.. |
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Zeno` |
Sokomine, VanessaE, are either of you awake? |
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est31_ |
redstonecraftpl: I can live with not chatting about something very important OT ingame. If I have very important things to discuss, I use the channel to bootstrap a more secure channel eg skype. |
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redstonecraftpl |
skype isn't very very secure |
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est31_ |
you are right, but it is more secure than ingame chat |
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redstonecraftpl |
yep |
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redstonecraftpl |
even normal IRC is some secure too |
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est31_ |
and yes, bootstrapping isn't that a cool idea |
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est31_ |
IRC is secure from outsiders iff its encrypted. Its never secure from the server owner |
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Jordach |
this isn't #fsf |
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Jordach |
git off ma land |
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sfan5 |
est31_: you can't use the hashes directly |
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OldCoder |
Wayward_One, thank you |
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Wayward_One |
OldCoder, you're welcome :) |
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MinetestBot |
[git] Sapier at GMX dot net -> minetest/minetest: Fix rounding error in font size making main menu and in game font sizes inconsistent aaec558 http://git.io/_V-d4Q (2015-01-02T16:52:02+01:00) |
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exio4 |
:D |
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exio4 |
PSU - done |
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exio4 |
est31_, I heard it more like domain/codomain, domain/image |
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MinetestBot |
[git] Sapier at GMX dot net -> minetest/minetest: Speedup initial android startup on some devices by factor 10 or more 35149a1 http://git.io/D01DuQ (2015-01-02T17:20:55+01:00) |
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Jordach |
wat |
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Wayward_One |
just wondering, any plans on an official Android version of 0.4.11 any time soon? |
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Megaf |
Arch-TK: because I have lost lots of files? |
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Megaf |
exio4: what PSU have you got? |
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exio4 |
www.thermaltake.com/products-model.aspx?id=C_00001829 |
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exio4 |
http:// |
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Calinou |
Thermaltake PSUs, lol |
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exio4 |
I heard the smart series was pretty good |
| 16:41 |
exio4 |
and I was between sentey PSU or thermaltake PSU |
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Calinou |
most Thermaltake products are pretty bad, either noisy or ugly, or both |
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exio4 |
so.. |
| 16:41 |
exio4 |
my case is neither ugly nor noisy |
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Arch-TK |
Megaf: Solution: Don't put files in your home directory. |
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exio4 |
Calinou, http://www.thermaltake.com/products-model.aspx?id=C_00001951 take it! |
| 16:42 |
Megaf |
Told you to buy a Cooler Master |
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Calinou |
CM makes good PSUs, yes |
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exio4 |
coolermaster psus were expensive |
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Calinou |
especially the G450M currently |
| 16:43 |
Calinou |
€50, modular, quite quiet (:p) |
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exio4 |
the only fan I hear right now is the stock fan |
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* Arch-TK |
is running a Corsair TX550M |
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Jordach |
Calinou, u wot m8 |
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exio4 |
which I am replacing soon(tm) |
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Jordach |
ThermalTake don't look too bad considering my tower is a gaming / media machine in disguise as a normal tower |
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Calinou |
Corsair is in general meh (mostly marketing), especially TX series… |
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exio4 |
and I bought a corsair cooler |
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exio4 |
10/10 |
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Calinou |
Corsair makes CPU coolers? |
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Arch-TK |
yes |
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exio4 |
they do Calinou |
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Arch-TK |
HX series for watercooling |
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Calinou |
oh, right |
| 16:44 |
Calinou |
not aircooling |
| 16:44 |
Arch-TK |
And I don't know about air cooling |
| 16:45 |
Calinou |
aircooling for the win ;) |
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Krock |
^ |
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Arch-TK |
I have enough air cooling in this room |
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exio4 |
well Calinou, what is your opinion or the artic mx-4? |
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exio4 |
does it suck too? |
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Calinou |
good thermal paste, it's fine |
| 16:45 |
Calinou |
although stock Intel thermal paste is nearly as good |
| 16:45 |
Calinou |
you probably will gain 1-2°C only |
| 16:45 |
Arch-TK |
Calinou: has tasted over 50 brands of thermal paste. |
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Arch-TK |
Calinou: which thermal paste goes well with chicken? |
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exio4 |
I have a cheap 10ARS thermal paste, so you have an idea |
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Jordach |
Calinou, i prefer aircooling |
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exio4 |
10 ARS = <1USD |
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Calinou |
Arch-TK, including chocolate and mayonnaise ;) |
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Calinou |
(mayonnaise is the a good alternate thermal paste, if you have nothing) |
| 16:46 |
Calinou |
will be way worse than stock |
| 16:47 |
Calinou |
but won't overheat either |
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exio4 |
I bought the corsair h60 because it was either this one or a stock-fan-replacement for the price range |
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exio4 |
1300 ARS isn't much |
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Arch-TK |
I find the TX<n>M series corsair PSUs to be fine, good efficiency, quieter than my CPU fan / GPU fan |
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Jordach |
Calinou, is this a french thing |
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Calinou |
yes |
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Calinou |
“mayonnaise†is an English word too |
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Calinou |
exio4, cheap watercooling often is noisy and not too good |
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Calinou |
the only use is compactness |
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Calinou |
(or looks) |
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Brains |
I usually check a couple of review sites like SPCR when buying PSUs... Too many of them don't actually provide the output they claim and few review sites bother to test that. So people buy wildly overrated PSUs, overrated in what they claim and overrated in what is actually needed. |
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Calinou |
Arch-TK, noise isn't strictly additive, but even if your PSU is quieter than CPU / GPU, you'll still hear it |
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* Krock |
wonders when mayonnaise has to do with CPU cooler |
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Krock |
s/when/what |
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Arch-TK |
Calinou: Yes, but I don't hear it. |
| 16:50 |
Calinou |
Brains, these days, the claimed powers are mostly right |
| 16:50 |
exio4 |
Calinou, cheap watercooling is still better than stock fan |
| 16:50 |
Calinou |
except on very cheap PSUs |
| 16:50 |
Calinou |
Arch-TK, mine is very quiet too |
| 16:50 |
Calinou |
I still hear it a bit, I have good ears |
| 16:50 |
exio4 |
right now I only hear the stock fan, as I said |
| 16:51 |
Arch-TK |
Yes, well, I have two computers running side by side and a youtube video to listen to. |
| 16:51 |
Brains |
My GPU fans make the most noise these days... And getting a water block for 'em is pretty expensive. |
| 16:51 |
* Jordach |
's tower is almost silent, apart from the fan that's grinding against the fan filter |
| 16:52 |
* Brains |
has wanted to go water cooled for a long time but hasn't found it affordable yet. |
| 16:52 |
Sokomine |
when i bought the celeron i own now, i did choose it over an i3 or i5 mostly due to cooling beeing so easy. no worry about which big extra cooler to buy, how to fix it, which cooler paste to use etc...just plug in the cooler that came with the cpu. very quiet and easy to install :-) |
| 16:52 |
Jordach |
Brains, it's worse payoff when the damn things leak |
| 16:52 |
Jordach |
Sokomine, server almost up :) |
| 16:52 |
exio4 |
Jordach, then don't but cheap stuff |
| 16:52 |
Jordach |
exio4, they will all eventually leak |
| 16:53 |
Jordach |
the more expensive the longer before it leaks |
| 16:53 |
Calinou |
yes, GPUs are the noisiest thing today |
| 16:53 |
Calinou |
although they improved a lot since 2012 |
| 16:53 |
Jordach |
Calinou, my 750ti wants a word |
| 16:53 |
Calinou |
there are some fanless 750 Ti's out there |
| 16:53 |
Jordach |
it's idling right now at 15c |
| 16:53 |
exio4 |
room temp. |
| 16:53 |
Calinou |
Sokomine, cooling an i3 isn't much harder than a Celeron |
| 16:54 |
Sokomine |
jordach: i saw that picture with the kittens taking over :-) hope you'll soon release them for other mob mods as well. mobf needs them rotated by...er...i believe 270 degrees |
| 16:54 |
Calinou |
an i5 is another thing… unlikely to be coolable fanless, except if you underclock it |
| 16:54 |
Calinou |
stock cooler can be noisy even on a Celeron, if you're unlucky |
| 16:54 |
exio4 |
right now my FX is idling at 50C... |
| 16:54 |
Calinou |
a 20 € cooler will ensure that it's always quiet (eg. CM TX3 EVO) |
| 16:54 |
Calinou |
my sensors claim a 22°C CPU package |
| 16:54 |
Megaf |
Cooler Master, always the smartest solution |
| 16:54 |
Jordach |
Sokomine, i halved all the digging times |
| 16:55 |
Calinou |
Megaf, not always, but quite often :) |
| 16:55 |
MinetestBot |
[git] Sapier at GMX dot net -> minetest/minetest: More consistent progress bar from 0-100 on startup 0db73bd http://git.io/sC-Hfw (2015-01-02T17:53:42+01:00) |
| 16:55 |
Calinou |
Noctua is a good choice too for high-end |
| 16:55 |
Sokomine |
hm, regarding gpus, i settled with the in-built. that'd have been better with an i5. i don't want an extra card due to its power consumption |
| 16:55 |
Calinou |
but CM doesn't make the best cases ever |
| 16:55 |
exio4 |
37~C in this room |
| 16:55 |
Megaf |
Is sapier back? |
| 16:55 |
Calinou |
whoa, here it's more like 17°C |
| 16:55 |
Calinou |
Sokomine, IGPs are a good thing, they are enough for light gaming today |
| 16:55 |
exio4 |
closed monodevelop which was using 100% in two cores |
| 16:55 |
Sokomine |
calinou: the i3 doesn't seem to be that much faster. it mostly seems more expensive for little gain... |
| 16:55 |
Brains |
Sokomine: I've got an i5-2500K OC'ed to 4.3GHz and you can't hear the tower cooler+fan over the PSU's fan. *shrug* |
| 16:55 |
Calinou |
especially on Haswell / i7 |
| 16:56 |
exio4 |
cpu temp went to 43C :p |
| 16:56 |
Calinou |
Sokomine, the best performance/price will always be a Celeron or a Pentium |
| 16:56 |
Calinou |
(it can be a Pentium in some countries or at some times) |
| 16:56 |
exio4 |
Calinou, I don't think so |
| 16:56 |
Sokomine |
jordach: very good! the huge digging times where very annoying |
| 16:57 |
Megaf |
Calinou: I thought performance/price was AMD land |
| 16:57 |
Calinou |
nope, Intel doesn't have real competition sadly |
| 16:57 |
Jordach |
Sokomine, even better news: clay, bricks and gravel have arrived |
| 16:57 |
Calinou |
they keep AMD alive to not get sued, but other than that, AMD doesn't do much and still uses a lot of power |
| 16:57 |
Brains |
Depends on the workload... Single task (unfortunately the majority) is where Intel is killing AMD at the momment. |
| 16:58 |
Sokomine |
calinou: exactly :-) and it works fine most of the time. and if something takes longer (compiling etc.), then some waiting and doing something else inbetween is required anyway... |
| 16:58 |
Calinou |
on multi-thread, an i5-4690 will be as good as a FX-8350… |
| 16:58 |
Calinou |
both are at a similar price if you take into account the power usage and single-thread performance |
| 16:58 |
* Jordach |
looks at his APU |
| 16:59 |
Sokomine |
i'd still wish for larger view range in mt on said celeron with its igp :-) |
| 16:59 |
Jordach |
Calinou, even when overclocking my fanless 750ti I STILL couldn't get it to hit greater than 30c |
| 17:00 |
Jordach |
(i managed to hit 2.5x) |
| 17:00 |
exio4 |
Calinou, "similar price if you take into account the power usage"? |
| 17:00 |
Jordach |
it's that cold around here |
| 17:00 |
exio4 |
I envy you Jordach |
| 17:00 |
Sokomine |
even an i5 would not be *that* much better regarding single thread performance |
| 17:00 |
VanessaE |
good afternoon |
| 17:00 |
Sokomine |
hi vanessa |
| 17:00 |
exio4 |
anyway, I have my CPU overclocked at 4ghz (and 4.2ghz turbo), and I still couldn't make my whole system use more than 300W |
| 17:00 |
Jordach |
aftienoon VanessaE |
| 17:01 |
Calinou |
Sokomine, performance improvements have landed in Git |
| 17:01 |
Calinou |
try using a fixed view range like 80 or 100 |
| 17:01 |
Sokomine |
power is expensive. i don't want a system that consumes 300w. not even when playing |
| 17:01 |
exio4 |
anyway, if I buy a GPU, it's going to be an AMD one |
| 17:02 |
exio4 |
closed drivers are painful to mantain |
| 17:02 |
Sokomine |
calinou: with +/- adjusted in game or as a parameter? |
| 17:02 |
Brains |
I've not bought anything recently, but it looks like Intel CPUs and AMD GPUs for the desktop for the time being. |
| 17:02 |
Calinou |
as a minetest.conf setting |
| 17:02 |
Calinou |
viewing_range_nodes_min = 80 and viewing_range_nodes_max = 80 |
| 17:02 |
exio4 |
the system is using 115W right now, apparently |
| 17:02 |
Calinou |
exio4, AMD uses “closed†drivers too… |
| 17:03 |
exio4 |
Calinou, closed firmware |
| 17:03 |
exio4 |
Calinou, not closed driver |
| 17:03 |
Sokomine |
what are you doing with it, exio4? apart from chatting...which can't consume that much |
| 17:03 |
exio4 |
watching an HD movie in background (720p) |
| 17:03 |
exio4 |
and well, it's 115W, but it's FX + screen + netbook |
| 17:04 |
exio4 |
20~ W are those |
| 17:04 |
exio4 |
(screen+netbook) |
| 17:04 |
exio4 |
it is basically idle, two cpus at 65% and the rest at <5% |
| 17:04 |
Sokomine |
hd is overrated. sd is enough :-) |
| 17:05 |
Megaf |
join my servers spawn and you will see your power usage increase a lot and your FPS drop a lot |
| 17:05 |
exio4 |
I am using nouveau, I don't even have a decent FPS in sp |
| 17:05 |
Jordach |
Sokomine, 60fps permanently at 1080p here |
| 17:05 |
Sokomine |
megaf: vanessae's spawns are more notable for fps drops :-) too many signs |
| 17:05 |
LazyJ |
FPS issues... those are problems with irrlicht, correct? |
| 17:05 |
exio4 |
the whole system is running inside a linux container, and having all the driver blobs synced is painful |
| 17:05 |
Jordach |
v_range = 151.2 :) |
| 17:06 |
Calinou |
multiplayer is faster than singleplayer |
| 17:06 |
Calinou |
exio4, do you use a recent kernel/Gallium3D? |
| 17:06 |
exio4 |
3.2 because too lazy |
| 17:06 |
exio4 |
the gpu is crap, so it won't change much |
| 17:06 |
exio4 |
but even a 3x improvement isn't that much |
| 17:07 |
exio4 |
based on the fact that the only way to have more than 30FPS in dutility (RE 1.4) is using 800x600 as res, and lowest settings ... :p |
| 17:07 |
Zeno` |
I've been meaning to look into that SP thing... |
| 17:08 |
Sokomine |
irks. how did fire get into my world? *removing mod* |
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Jordach |
https://cdn.mediacru.sh/C/C0q4tBnw5Dqi.png better, signs_lib sings don't look so bad now |
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Krock |
Jordach, too hard color-switch in default_snow_side.png |
| 17:23 |
Krock |
pls2smooth |
| 17:24 |
Jordach |
Krock, eh? |
| 17:24 |
Jordach |
whatddya mean :P |
| 17:25 |
Krock |
dat difference between snow and grass |
| 17:25 |
Jordach |
oh |
| 17:25 |
Krock |
iz liek a wall |
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Jordach |
Krock, you'd expect some grass to poke out of snow |
| 17:26 |
Krock |
yeah |
| 17:26 |
Krock |
much snow on top, less on the middle/bottom |
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* Jordach |
goes to work on the V6 biome |
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carjack |
4/11 |
| 17:48 |
hmmmm |
so much minetest, so little time |
| 17:48 |
hmmmm |
@_@ |
| 17:49 |
* Brains |
was meaning to set up a dev-ish environment to play around with mods/engine but got sidetracked digging... |
| 17:49 |
Brains |
Probably helps that I'm tired as all hades. |
| 17:49 |
hmmmm |
i wish i could fork() myself |
| 17:50 |
hmmmm |
that way i could fix lighting, work on biomes, work on the authentication, and work on the bulk worldgen all at the same time |
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carjack |
make kids |
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rubenwardy |
Hi all! |
| 17:56 |
Calinou |
hi rubenwardy, chess? |
| 17:57 |
rubenwardy |
Doing coursework. I need to be proficient at rails by next week |
| 17:58 |
Calinou |
craft some copper rails from More Ores! |
| 17:58 |
rubenwardy |
Lol |
| 17:58 |
Brains |
rubenwardy: What class are you taking? |
| 17:59 |
rubenwardy |
WJEC Computing A Level |
| 17:59 |
rubenwardy |
WJEC sucks. It is literally learning a mark scheme |
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Arch-TK |
oh god not WJEC |
| 18:02 |
carjack |
they are preparing you to real life |
| 18:02 |
Arch-TK |
why did you take that course? |
| 18:02 |
carjack |
you will definitely need them all |
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Arch-TK |
WJEC A Level Computing was a painful miserable pile of shit. |
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Arch-TK |
WJEC GCSE ICT was almost as bad. |
| 18:02 |
Arch-TK |
just no |
| 18:02 |
Arch-TK |
just |
| 18:02 |
Arch-TK |
no |
| 18:03 |
Arch-TK |
I'm glad all of that is over. |
| 18:03 |
Arch-TK |
Now when something as miserable as that crosses paths with my life, I can drink myself to sleep and forget all about it. |
| 18:03 |
carjack |
it is like terminator, it will be back |
| 18:04 |
hmmmm |
[12:57 PM] <rubenwardy> Doing coursework. I need to be proficient at rails by next week |
| 18:04 |
hmmmm |
snorting rails? |
| 18:04 |
rubenwardy |
Ruby on Rails XD |
| 18:04 |
hmmmm |
what a shit language |
| 18:04 |
rubenwardy |
I like ruby |
| 18:05 |
rubenwardy |
more than python, I think |
| 18:05 |
hmmmm |
ruby is like a hodgepodge of things that don't coherently fit, and then ruby on rails is like a super upgraded version of shit |
| 18:05 |
carjack |
made in japan, what else you need |
| 18:05 |
hmmmm |
there are too many ways to do the same thing in ruby |
| 18:05 |
hmmmm |
i'm sure you've read Rails is a Ghetto |
| 18:06 |
carjack |
haskell is the real deal |
| 18:06 |
Calinou |
hating on languages is pointless |
| 18:06 |
exio4 |
Ruby is cool, I mean, compared to Python |
| 18:06 |
Calinou |
even PHP (-: |
| 18:06 |
exio4 |
PHP isn't a language |
| 18:06 |
hmmmm |
meh |
| 18:06 |
hmmmm |
Python is ok for what it is |
| 18:06 |
exio4 |
it's a work from the devil |
| 18:06 |
rubenwardy |
The alternative is Django or PHP |
| 18:06 |
hmmmm |
granted it could be way better |
| 18:06 |
exio4 |
hmmmm, the scoping is broken, and Guido is a bitch when it comes to functional programming |
| 18:06 |
hmmmm |
I find myself using Python + Flask for web development things |
| 18:07 |
hmmmm |
Django is like made specifically for wordpress-type applications |
| 18:07 |
exio4 |
and it lacks any kind of static checking, so it's a no-no for me |
| 18:07 |
hmmmm |
oh right, you have a functional programming boner |
| 18:07 |
exio4 |
Racket is lovely for dynamic programming though |
| 18:07 |
hmmmm |
I can't take any of these languages seriously though |
| 18:07 |
hmmmm |
they're all crap because they're not statically typed |
| 18:08 |
carjack |
and rust is the future |
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exio4 |
hmmmm, was that sarcasm? |
| 18:09 |
hmmmm |
no |
| 18:09 |
hmmmm |
rust sucks too |
| 18:09 |
rubenwardy |
Flask looks good actually |
| 18:09 |
exio4 |
how does it suck? |
| 18:09 |
hmmmm |
too much "safety" |
| 18:09 |
carjack |
hmmmm, only if you are a metal worker |
| 18:09 |
hmmmm |
it's a big agenda language |
| 18:09 |
hmmmm |
I watched the videos that celeron posted a while ago about that guy and his new language and i think he's spot on |
| 18:09 |
exio4 |
Jonathan Blow's ideal language seems like a tweaked version of C++ |
| 18:09 |
hmmmm |
i love his ideas |
| 18:09 |
hmmmm |
yup |
| 18:10 |
sfan5 |
yay, ontopic discussions- |
| 18:10 |
hmmmm |
it's more like a tweaked version of C |
| 18:10 |
exio4 |
I don't think so, he's basically saying "I like C++ but I don't like C++, so I better take C++" |
| 18:10 |
carjack |
rust is the future. does C or c++ has a logo? NO But Rust has a logo |
| 18:10 |
hmmmm |
D is too C++ like |
| 18:10 |
exio4 |
his ideal language is basically a crap language but with less than crap than C++, as far as I saw it |
| 18:11 |
exio4 |
his language is basically a 0.0001% improvement of what we have now |
| 18:11 |
hmmmm |
i disagree |
| 18:11 |
hmmmm |
it's simply not a big agenda language |
| 18:12 |
carjack |
D is a better C++ |
| 18:12 |
exio4 |
without being a big agenda programming language |
| 18:12 |
hmmmm |
you don't have to change everything... people have been wanting a better language than C but all the replacements are too wacky |
| 18:12 |
carjack |
it has a trash collector |
| 18:13 |
exio4 |
hmmmm, also, things like "Go did it right, no exceptions! multiple return values!" |
| 18:13 |
hmmmm |
so you LIKE exceptions? |
| 18:13 |
exio4 |
I can't take a language without first-class tuples serious |
| 18:13 |
exio4 |
no |
| 18:13 |
twoelk |
when I eat I use something of the type spoon, some sort of fork and some knife. Sometimes different types of each for special jobs. Most of the time I combine two to get the job done and sometimes I use my fingers and get my hands dirty. Each food calls for the fitting tool. I can eat most stuff with my fingers but using cutlerry hasd more style and might be more efficient at times. Go figure..... |
| 18:14 |
carjack |
but java is the best it has a logo and garbage collector |
| 18:14 |
carjack |
even a mascot |
| 18:14 |
exio4 |
I hate exceptions, but taking "it done right" by allowing tuples ONLY in the return value?!? |
| 18:14 |
hmmmm |
why not? |
| 18:14 |
hmmmm |
I suppose you could add in tuples but they're not much different from structs |
| 18:15 |
twoelk |
mascots are vital for programming languages! They give you something to kick if it doesn't work |
| 18:15 |
hmmmm |
in functional terms |
| 18:15 |
exio4 |
yes, they're just product types |
| 18:15 |
exio4 |
but they're really handy |
| 18:15 |
hmmmm |
handiness |
| 18:15 |
exio4 |
just syntatic sugar would be ok |
| 18:15 |
exio4 |
but the lack of first-class things is ugly |
| 18:15 |
exio4 |
it's basically a very complex language core |
| 18:16 |
carjack |
all joking aside, ADA looks promising, a little too verbose though |
| 18:16 |
exio4 |
he also said he likes ADTs but doesn't like ADTs |
| 18:17 |
carjack |
Alcohol Drug Test? |
| 18:17 |
exio4 |
algebraic datatypes |
| 18:17 |
carjack |
not abstract? |
| 18:18 |
exio4 |
algebraic as being constructed by sum/product types (and exponentials if you allow first-class functions) |
| 18:18 |
exio4 |
(and lots of cool properties) |
| 18:18 |
exio4 |
like B^(A+C) = B^A * B^C |
| 18:20 |
exio4 |
by the way, ADTs and pattern matching should be in all languages by now |
| 18:20 |
exio4 |
they aren't even "functional features" |
| 18:20 |
exio4 |
implicit nulls everywhere are basically the worst thing that ever happened to programming languages |
| 18:21 |
exio4 |
exceptions are poor man's dynamic scoping, also |
| 18:23 |
carjack |
what about templates? |
| 18:23 |
exio4 |
macros are cool |
| 18:23 |
exio4 |
as long as you do them the scheme way :D |
| 18:24 |
rubenwardy |
Okay, I'm using Flask now. |
| 18:27 |
carjack |
use node.lua |
| 18:27 |
carjack |
... it actually exists?! |
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Sokomine |
Jordach: in order to have grass (and other plants) grow "inside" snow, just try my moresnow mod. it places the snow-node technically in the air above the plant - thus it looks as if the plant grows in the snow |
| 18:37 |
Jordach |
Sokomine, it's implied the area is too cold for the plants to grow there |
| 18:42 |
Sokomine |
jordach: ah, ok. still, moresnow might be useful. players could place nodebox-like nodes somewhere...or use fences. all that looks odd with normal snow |
| 18:43 |
Jordach |
Sokomine, ah |
| 18:43 |
Jordach |
i might eventually add ity |
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dakotalongears |
Hai |
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lemonlake |
dakotalongears: Hai |
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Arch-TK |
hmm] |
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lemonlake |
bai... |
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zigz |
are you planning to integrate freeminer patches into minetest? |
| 20:14 |
zigz |
their terrain is now loads faster |
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Calinou |
unlikely, zigz |
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Calinou |
(also, we can't add long patches) |
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zigz |
also i joined a server and most of the terrain doesnt load |
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lemonlake |
what's the current minetest vs freeminer? |
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zigz |
slower |
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zigz |
also in freeminer jitter is greatly recuded |
| 20:38 |
zigz |
reduced* |
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lemonlake |
which is slower? |
| 20:44 |
zigz |
minetest |
| 20:44 |
zigz |
what mods does the xanadu server use? |
| 20:45 |
Calinou |
I'd say greatly increased… |
| 20:45 |
Calinou |
zigz, http://servers.minetest.net/ ⇒ hover mouse on Xanadu server mods |
| 20:45 |
Calinou |
Version, subgame, Mapgenerator |
| 20:46 |
Calinou |
54 mods |
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jojoa1997` |
back |
| 21:12 |
Calinou |
hi jojoa1997 |
| 21:12 |
jojoa1997 |
Hi Calinou |
| 21:12 |
Calinou |
long time no see |
| 21:12 |
Calinou |
Minetest 0.4.11 is out, try it ;) |
| 21:13 |
jojoa1997 |
I actually did try it out. No lag \o/ |
| 21:16 |
sfan5 |
!server ping:least |
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MinetestBot |
sfan5: Voxelgarden | 178.62.146.72 | Clients: 0/30, 0/5 | Version: 0.4.11 / Voxelgarden | Ping: 1ms |
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sfan5 |
>1ms |
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sfan5 |
must be hosted in amsterdam |
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jojoa1997 |
what is voxelgarden? |
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sfan5 |
a subgame |
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jojoa1997 |
Calinou would i be able to use git to download your game? |
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sfan5 |
yep that voxelgarden server is hosted on DO in AMS |
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Calinou |
jojoa1997, yes, it is on Gitorious |
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sfan5 |
that explains the low ping |
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Calinou |
https://gitorious.org/calinou/carbone |
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jojoa1997 |
what is hmmmm's name on github? |
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sfan5 |
jojoa1997: https://github.com/kwolekr |
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jojoa1997 |
tanks |
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jojoa1997 |
thanks |
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Calinou |
world of thanks |
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carjack |
where can I rate servers? |
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sfan5 |
nowhere |
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carjack |
I think next episode should show user rating in the server browser |
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carjack |
season 4 episode 12 of minetest |
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sfan5 |
what? |
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sfan5 |
oh |
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sfan5 |
nvm |
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carjack |
only registered forum users should be allowed to rate |
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carjack |
so you can sort servers by rating instead of number of users |
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carjack |
lets say it is over 5 stars, servers which donate to minetest gets a platinum star |
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UnknownSentinel |
pay to win <-> open source |
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kahrl |
I know 1-dimensional rating systems are all over the web, but I never know how to interpret them |
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exio4 |
donating to minetest shouldn't give you a "star" |
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sfan5 |
^ |
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kahrl |
"the buildings on this server are nice, 5/5 would sightsee again" |
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exio4 |
me neither, that's is my argument too kahrl |
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kahrl |
"the people on this server are nice, 5/5 would chat again" |
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kahrl |
"there is no lag, 5/5 would connect again" |
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kahrl |
"the protection mod on this server sucks, 5/5 would grief again" |
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UnknownSentinel |
Donating is good and very beneficial, but minecraft is full of pay to win shit |
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acerspyro |
^ |
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exio4 |
you should allow multi-variate ratings |
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exio4 |
which variables are the ones we should decide too and MAYBE, make a very rough guess based on all of those |
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UnknownSentinel |
Minetest has the basis for all blocks ( API ) but a more beautifull render engine or optional shader mod would be nice |
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carjack |
if a user donates he/she can vote multiple times also receives a hat |
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* carjack |
hides |
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UnknownSentinel |
Is there a shaders like mod for minetest? |
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marktraceur |
kahrl: Obviously model it after slashdot |
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marktraceur |
5/5 griefability 3/5 nice people 2/5 interesting buildings 5/5 mod choices |
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marktraceur |
0/5 connection speed (couldn't connect at all, but I imagine the people are nice) |
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kahrl |
heh |
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UnknownSentinel |
The ultimate game would be the basis of minetest combined with the graphics of terasology |
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Calinou |
we have shader support, UnknownSentinel |
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Calinou |
additional shaders could be written to do just about anything |
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Calinou |
also, be sure to use an HD texture pack |
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Calinou |
will probably look good enough for now |
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UnknownSentinel |
is there a link to a page with the shaders? :p |
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Calinou |
there is none… I'm just saying you could write them |
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UnknownSentinel |
:o |
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Calinou |
we could, in theory, have reflective water or such |
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UnknownSentinel |
nice, I wish I had experience with making shaders :) |
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exio4 |
theory? didn't know the shaders allowed for it right now |
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carjack |
yes way to reduce my FPS |
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UnknownSentinel |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest/blob/master/client/shaders/nodes_shader/opengl_fragment.glsl |
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UnknownSentinel |
apparently minetest does use glsl shaders |
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Calinou |
yep |
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Calinou |
since 2 years ago now! |
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UnknownSentinel |
haha, i am looking through the sonic ether shader for minecraft and they use fsh(fragment in minetest) and vsh( vertex in minetest) |
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Calinou |
there is none |
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Calinou |
custom shaders are a possibility, that's just what I'm saying |
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Calinou |
GLSL programming is tricky |
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Sokomine |
Calinous advice to set view range to a fixed min *and* max was a very good one. it helps a lot. i was even able to look around a bit on vanessae's survival server this tim. beforehand, spawn made fps so low it was hard to navigate. now i even was able to push fps up to 600...admittedly with 0 to 1 fps |
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exio4 |
600FPS? wat? :D |
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Sokomine |
er, no. a view range of 600. worked better than unlimited view range |
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LittleJoe |
O.O |
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LittleJoe |
how? |
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kaeza |
<kahrl> I know 1-dimensional rating systems are all over the web, but I never know how to interpret them <-- relevant: http://xkcd.com/1098/ |
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Sokomine |
the landscape is very beautiful with all those moretrees, plants and other buildings |
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kaeza |
also, greetings |
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Sokomine |
hi kaeza |
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