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01:59 something1 When I install a mod under /mods, and it does show up in the mods tab, how do I get it in creative mode?
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02:00 something1 Nevermind, I had to enable them for the specific world.
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08:46 Calinou mobs in Carbone are now slightly less strong and rarer
08:48 Topic for #minetest is now Welcome to #minetest, the official channel of Minetest | Version: 0.4.11 (2014-12-26) | Responses may take a while, so be patient. | Rules: http://wiki.minetest.net/IRC#Rules | Development: #minetest-dev | Server list: http://minetest.net/servers | IRC logs: http://irc.minetest.ru/minetest/
08:53 hmmmm hey guys
08:53 hmmmm I was wondering how anybody is actually supposed to play multiplayer
08:53 hmmmm it's basically unplayable
08:53 hmmmm i just tried it
08:54 hmmmm unless you spend literally 10+ seconds for each and every action, which may or may not fail
08:55 Calinou wrong
08:55 Calinou either your connection has problems, or you play on bad servers
08:55 Calinou I can play lagless just fine
08:55 Calinou try MinetestForFun's server… usually has ~100 ms ping here
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09:16 Krock Calinou, less strong = weaker?
09:18 Calinou yes
09:18 Calinou they probably were too challenging to the average player
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10:52 Krock toasttt could do it better ,04this this background
10:52 Krock *with this
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11:52 Megaf !server Megaf
11:52 MinetestBot Megaf: Megaf Server v4.0 | mt.megaf.info:30003 | Clients: 1/10, 1/2 | Version: 0.4.11-dev / MegafXploreNext | Ping: 6ms
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12:58 redstonecraftpl hi someguy
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14:10 rubenwardy Hi all!
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14:10 rubenwardy Maybe I should make my IRC client say "Hi all!" when I join #minetest, automatically?
14:11 exio4 you shouldn't
14:11 UnknownSentinel Hi ruben :)
14:12 Brains rubenwardy: We could always set our clients to respond with "Hi, Norm!"...
14:12 * Brains figures ~150 "Hi, Norms" should be greeting enough for anybody.
14:13 rubenwardy $ cd minetesy
14:13 rubenwardy * $ cd minetesty
14:13 rubenwardy Hmmm, oh dear.
14:13 rubenwardy It's Mein Testy time
14:15 * Brains spent a good amount of time last night trying to figure out why his build of minetest (server) was looking for truetype...  Turns out he told it to....
14:16 rubenwardy Lol. I'm building Minetest now... it's taking ages.
14:16 exio4 it takes <2 minutes over here
14:17 rubenwardy It takes about 4 minutes for me, from scratch
14:17 exio4 specs? :P
14:19 rubenwardy I forget. I made a forum post on it once
14:19 Brains Heh, that was another mistake I had earlier.  Building in parallel is a lovely thing...  Until you move the opts for your bigger machine to the smaller one.  Core2Duo != i5-2500K.
14:19 UnknownSentinel Is there a wat to change the interface to a flat design, I cringe when I look at the curved buttons. :p
14:20 rubenwardy UnknownSentinel, in Minetest?
14:20 UnknownSentinel yeah :p
14:20 rubenwardy pentium series 2.8HZ dual core integrated graphics 4GB ram.
14:21 exio4 pretty cool, then
14:21 rubenwardy Flat design is superior. I'd like to work on the user interface, but I suck at c++
14:21 rubenwardy Compaq CQ5226UK
14:21 rubenwardy I need to build my own
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14:22 rubenwardy Well, "need"
14:22 exio4 rubenwardy, it is totally worth it
14:22 exio4 I've been building my own computer for the past years, no regrets :D
14:22 exio4 I spend too much money on it though
14:26 Krock UnknownSentinel, use OpenGL 1.2 and you'll have flat buttons
14:26 UnknownSentinel thanks :)
14:27 Krock np
14:27 UnknownSentinel can you change it in the menu or in config file?
14:28 Krock UnknownSentinel, downgrade your graphics driver :P
14:28 UnknownSentinel Well, that would be ahuge workaround :p
14:29 Krock exactly, but it would work
14:29 exio4 you can hack your drivers
14:29 exio4 and make them say they only support ogl 1.2!
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14:29 UnknownSentinel last time I tried 'hacking' my drivers, I had to reinstall windows because my nvidia drivers were corrupt
14:30 Krock reinstall a complete system? lol
14:30 exio4 by hacking I mean inspecting the source code
14:30 Megaf VanessaE: The plasma TV tiles are out of sync
14:30 Krock If I would do that everytime a driver is broken, I would still be waiting for a completed installation
14:31 UnknownSentinel My windows was only showing black screen and safe mode was ocrrupt
14:31 UnknownSentinel *corrupt
14:31 Krock congrats.
14:32 Krock !next
14:32 MinetestBot Another satisfied customer. Next!
14:33 UnknownSentinel Hmm, how do I change the minetest language. I just want it to use english, now it uses my system language :/
14:33 Krock rename the locales directory
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14:34 UnknownSentinel Deleted the BE folder and now it's in english :)
14:34 Krock BE?
14:34 UnknownSentinel belgium :)
14:35 UnknownSentinel the belgian locale folder
14:35 Krock aha. renaming the parent directory would help too, so you don't need to unzip the original files again
14:35 exio4 I don't really like translations
14:35 Krock some of them are broken
14:35 Krock *some parts of them
14:35 exio4 I don't even know english that well, but the game feels too different
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15:59 rubenwardy Hi all1
15:59 kaeza greetings
16:00 kaeza hey rubenwardy
16:01 LazyJ o/
16:01 rubenwardy \0
16:02 rubenwardy I'm big headed
16:02 rubenwardy \o
16:02 shadowzone I can be...
16:04 Krock \[]/ robot
16:06 Calinou \0/ = happy geek
16:06 Calinou \o/ = happy person
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16:29 Viper \o/
16:30 marktraceur \f/ = happy brontosaur?
16:31 Wayward_One xD
16:32 jojoa1997 Jordach you are evil. Every time i go to open a forum thread you made it takes forever to open
16:33 Jordach because of my 07GLORIOUS01 4k?
16:35 kaeza u wot
16:35 sfan5 wot
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16:56 rubenwardy Any recommendations on what to talk about here? http://rubenwardy.github.io/m​inetest_doc/chapters/lua.html
16:56 rubenwardy How they should split code into files?
16:56 rubenwardy :S
16:57 Brains You could probably find something close in any beginning programming text where it talks about modularity/decomposition/the-like, right?
16:58 exio4 functional decomposition or OO decomposition?
16:58 exio4 :D
16:59 Brains Since he's going to have to munge it down to something reasonable anyways, it probably won't make a difference which was the source.  When you are cooking hot dogs, you don't really care whether they are from the French or Italian school.
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17:00 rubenwardy I'll add stuff about gaining programming / algorithm knowledge from Scratch and Codeacademy, etc.
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17:01 acerspyro Brains, you don't need to go to school to make hot dogs.
17:02 marktraceur Unless your parents never taught you how to
17:02 acerspyro Google will
17:02 Calinou rubenwardy, init.lua for initialization and boilerplates, nodes.lua for nodes, tools.lua for tools, craftitems.lua for craftitems, mapgen.lua for map generation stuff
17:02 acerspyro Pretty sure you can learn how to wipe your ass on Google.
17:02 marktraceur Or you don't know what hot dogs are, and therefore cannot search for them
17:02 Calinou <something>.lua whenever it makes sense
17:03 acerspyro marktraceur, then you can't learn how to cook hot dogs, since you come from somewhere lost.
17:04 Brains rubenwardy: I would say to not spend much time on it though.  Something simple and straight forward to start with because it may be some time before the audience will be writing anything of real size...  They are noobs after all.
17:08 rubenwardy I wasn't going to spend much time on it
17:08 rubenwardy "Teaching you how to program is beyond the scope of this book."
17:08 rubenwardy :)
17:08 Brains Heh, I look forward to reading it later then.
17:10 * Brains is of the opinion that all people should know the basics of programming...  Probably shouldn't be called programming any more than it should be called reciping or able to follow and write instructions.
17:11 marktraceur Brains: Some people don't have the capacity for it, or the interest, that's not a bad thing really
17:11 acerspyro No, that's not it
17:11 acerspyro Everyone should be able to deduce from a menu what everything does
17:12 * rubenwardy detests the word 'coding'
17:12 rubenwardy I'm a programmer, bitch.
17:12 exio4 programming isn't that hard
17:12 marktraceur Said the programmer.
17:12 Brains marktraceur: For the higher levels of involement, sure.  But I have a hard time believing that significant portions of the population can't write a recipe or give directions.  Which is your foot in the door...
17:12 acerspyro Programming is just a side-effect of being acerspyro.
17:12 exio4 programming isn't hard. still
17:13 exio4 what is hard is being a good programmer
17:13 exio4 this is like being a cook
17:13 Brains exio4: That is true of pretty much human endeavor....
17:13 marktraceur Brains: Giving directions about something you understand is easy, but computers are a different beast
17:13 exio4 you can cook your food
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17:13 acerspyro I do drunken coding.
17:13 marktraceur Brains: You can expect humans to not do stupid shit like turn a really big positive number into a really big negative number
17:13 acerspyro I'm like a cook who forgets his pots on the fire.
17:13 marktraceur Brains: Or run out of memory
17:13 Brains marktraceur: Yes, they actually do what you tell them to do.  Instructing kindergarteners is far harder but you'd be hard pressed to convince a teacher of that...
17:13 marktraceur Or do something forever.
17:14 Brains marktraceur: Heh, you've not met some of the folks I have...
17:14 marktraceur Maybe!
17:14 rubenwardy Updated: http://rubenwardy.github.io/m​inetest_doc/chapters/lua.html
17:15 exio4 I repeat, programming isn't hard, you just need to think of the problem without being so unambigous, ??, profit
17:15 exio4 I can't spell
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17:15 acerspyro spelling isnt hard
17:15 exio4 isn't*
17:15 marktraceur Agreed acerspyro.
17:15 rubenwardy programming isn't hard for me. But most people just aren't mathematical enough
17:15 rubenwardy and logical
17:16 exio4 "mathematical" what
17:16 exio4 logical, I agree
17:16 rubenwardy logic is a field in maths
17:16 acerspyro I suck at maths
17:16 Brains rubenwardy: Logic is not something that is magically endowed, it has to be taught and nurtured.  Which we don't do.
17:16 acerspyro But I'm not that bad at logic.
17:16 exio4 the logic needed for starting programming
17:16 exio4 is so low..
17:17 exio4 I am not saying "kids should be writing compilers at the age of 8"
17:17 rubenwardy Make sure you don't confuse arithmetic with maths
17:17 Brains And writing off programming is a prime example of that.  You have kids that aren't even in the double digits that can program, but we are going to trust a ton of high speed steel to an adult that claims they can't do that because of the difficulty?
17:17 rubenwardy I'm talking more about pure maths.
17:17 exio4 Brains, :( I was off by one year
17:17 rubenwardy I don't like it when they just give up without trying
17:18 Brains exio4: It happened far enough back that I don't remember and far enough back that I don't think I'll look closely.  *grin*
17:18 exio4 Brains, I started at 10
17:18 exio4 :<
17:19 * Brains fondly remembers his TRS-80 Color Computer 2...  He made his parents take back the Atari 2600 'cause he wanted a computer, not some game system.  (His mother developed a blister from playing the 2600, it never went back.)
17:19 exio4 I am quite young :P
17:19 exio4 I am not even 18, for what's it worth :P
17:19 Brains BASIC in the ROM, baby...  Even had a tape drive.  Which was a cassette player with an extra port for controlling the motor.
17:20 acerspyro exio4, how young
17:20 acerspyro 17?
17:20 exio4 right now? yeah
17:20 * Brains wonders if that whole 13 yr old parental permission thing applies to IRC.
17:20 acerspyro I'm 16
17:21 acerspyro Brains, ?
17:21 Calinou it's dead, Brains
17:23 Brains Calinou: It's not!  It's just pining for the fjords!
17:23 rubenwardy Brains, 13 yr thing?
17:24 Brains IIRC, there are some laws regarding online dealings with folks younger than 13.  (US)
17:24 exio4 laws? what are those?
17:24 Krock ^
17:24 Krock this is international
17:24 exio4 I heard there was a law that talked about privacy, then I heard about the NSA
17:24 Calinou Brains, AFAIK, in 2010, the COPPA was softened
17:24 Calinou or removed
17:24 Calinou but in general, these laws are quite void
17:24 rubenwardy Ah, that's the US.
17:25 exio4 and I realized they are a bunch of bullshit written in a nice text
17:25 rubenwardy Not so in the UK, afaik
17:25 rubenwardy Of course gambling, porn, games etc are restricted
17:26 Brains "International" usually means that more than one countries' laws are invovled.  *shrug*  The US isn't even in the forefront of this kinda stuff, it is more a Euro thing.
17:26 exio4 2010? I thought it was recent Calinou
17:26 Calinou games? Minetest!
17:27 exio4 minetest is +18
17:27 rubenwardy games like COD
17:27 Brains Calinou: It was beefed up in 2013 according to wikipedia.
17:27 exio4 2013 sounds about right
17:28 Brains (And most websites and such just stopped allowing children under 13 because it was too much hassle to deal with parental consent/verification/etc.)
17:29 Calinou people lie all the time on their age
17:29 Brains Yep, an awful lot of WW1 veterans running around the 'net...
17:30 rubenwardy The Modding Tutorial Book thing now contains everything, and more, than http://dev.minetest.net/Intro does, and in a better way.
17:30 rubenwardy Any objections to shamelessly promoting the book on dev.minetest.net/Intro ?
17:30 exio4 Brains, when I fake my age, I normally use some actually nice age like being 22, or 24 at the time of registering
17:30 rubenwardy Like, writing "This tutorial is old and hard to understand. The Minetest Modding Online Tutorial Book is a much better guide in learning to mod Minetest."
17:31 rubenwardy Brains, what is that called? What websites?
17:31 rubenwardy the law
17:31 Brains exio4: Might as well pick 25...  Get your fake age some nice car rental privileges.
17:31 Calinou yeah, 25 is a frequent lying age
17:32 exio4 I look like I am 22~ so I am fine
17:32 Brains rubenwardy: It was something like Children's Privacy Protection.  Lemme pull it back up on wikipedia.
17:32 exio4 at least my beard makes me a good liar!
17:32 Brains "Children's Online Privacy Protection Act" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Childr​en%27s_Online_Privacy_Protection_Act
17:33 Calinou that's COPPA
17:33 Brains Not to be confused with COPA, CIPA, CDA, or the rest...  All which dealt with somewhat similar themes.  heh
17:34 rubenwardy Ah, I confused it with COPA
17:34 exio4 “What type of school do you go to? (a) elementary; (b) middle; (c) high school; (d) college.”
17:34 exio4 what if you have a kid that goes to the college, but is just 10 years old?
17:35 rubenwardy We don't do that
17:35 Brains exio4: Then they get burned at the stake as a witch.
17:35 exio4 "this guy's going to college, lets better switch to porn ads"
17:35 rubenwardy That is discrimination!
17:36 Brains Discrimination is not necessarily bad...  Unlawful discrimination is unlawful though.
17:36 marktraceur Captain Bleedin' Obvious
17:37 Brains marktraceur: You caught that, did you...
17:38 rubenwardy s/unlawful/immoral
17:39 marktraceur Well, that's an open debate.
17:39 rubenwardy Saudi Arabia discriminates against women
17:39 marktraceur There are some types of unlawful discrimination that some would argue are moral
17:39 Brains rubenwardy: It works for most words...  "Red discrimination is red."
17:39 rubenwardy Some states of America against sexuality
17:39 marktraceur Quota-based affirmative action programs
17:40 rubenwardy I was refering to bad
17:40 Calinou “bad bad BAD BAD BAD”
17:40 exio4 sieg heil
17:42 Brains Well that shut everybody up...
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17:42 exio4 it was applied godwin
17:43 exio4 just like you have applied mathematics
17:44 rubenwardy You lose
17:44 Brains Unless his goal was merely to shut down that topic, then he wins but it was in bad form.
17:44 Brains (Directly invoking the conditions for Godwin's Law is considering poor form.)
17:44 Brains -ing
17:45 exio4 invoking godwin is a nice way to insta change the topic
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17:45 Brains So that we can talk about Godwin!
17:45 rubenwardy Do you time to talk about Godwin?
17:45 rubenwardy Do you have a moment to talk about Godwin?
17:46 exio4 it's cool
17:46 Calinou Godlose
17:46 exio4 see, it worked
17:46 rubenwardy /o\
17:46 rubenwardy Head-desk
17:47 rubenwardy I haven't logged into Wikipedia for a while. Maybe I am missing something :O
17:47 exio4 you are not losing anything worth anyone's time
17:47 exio4 s/losing/missing
17:48 marktraceur rubenwardy: Lots of fun stuff! :)
17:48 marktraceur ArbCom elections happened recently
17:48 marktraceur AfC queue is absurdly long
17:49 rubenwardy Nope. Nothing changed on my watch listr
17:49 marktraceur Aw.
17:52 marktraceur rubenwardy: Want me to vandalise your pages so you have something to do? :P
17:52 rubenwardy Can't be bothers
17:52 rubenwardy -s+e+d
17:53 Pentium44 hi
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17:56 Calinou <marktraceur> rubenwardy: Lots of fun stuff! :)
17:56 Calinou like, bans of vandals
17:56 marktraceur Yuuup
17:56 Calinou and still no Minetest page
17:56 Calinou and promotion of “List of My Little Pony characters” as a top-notch page
17:57 marktraceur Calinou: Did we get significant coverage yet?
17:57 Calinou Phoronix covered us
17:57 Calinou YMMV
17:57 marktraceur "significant"
17:57 marktraceur Needs more than one source IMO
17:57 Calinou directory.fsf.org is considered significant by french WP…
17:57 * Calinou rolls eyes
17:58 marktraceur Yeah, but French WP is not enwp.
17:58 Calinou (language wikis are much less strict on this)
17:58 Calinou while english WP is a battlefield
17:59 marktraceur Like love.
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18:03 rubenwardy http://www.phoronix.com/forums/showthread​.php?111481-Minetest-0-4-11-Released-As-O​pen-Source-Alternative-To-Minecraft/page2
18:03 rubenwardy They are claiming Minetest is illegal due to simularities.
18:03 Calinou I usually stop reading the forum thread after I replied
18:03 rubenwardy Your chariot awaits you, Calinou
18:03 Calinou I strafejump away.
18:03 rubenwardy Lol
18:03 exio4 yup, it is illegel
18:03 rubenwardy "Is this game different enough from Minecraft to be legal?"
18:04 rubenwardy I hate how people think you can copyright ideas.
18:04 rubenwardy s'not true
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18:04 VanessaE you can trademark the visual implementation of an idea
18:05 VanessaE but only to a certain degree
18:05 rubenwardy that's not copyright
18:05 VanessaE no but it's governed by the same office and the same general set of laws
18:05 rubenwardy But they didn't do that, anyway
18:05 T4im VanessaE: u.s. or e.u,? ;)
18:05 rubenwardy It's IP
18:05 VanessaE T4im: yes. :)
18:05 rubenwardy In the UK it is under the Copyrights and Patents act 1988
18:06 rubenwardy Not sure where trademarks are
18:06 VanessaE rubenwardy: likely lumped in with patents
18:06 VanessaE in the US, that's where they are
18:06 rubenwardy Most likely
18:06 Calinou do the USPTO dance!
18:06 Calinou now with “Oppa Patent Style”
18:06 T4im Krock: short question, is there any particular reason, why you removed the chat notification about bone location?
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18:07 VanessaE at any rate, Mojang has no claim here because they are, themselves, copying someone else's trademark (infiniminer) as are we
18:07 Krock T4im, tab fail?
18:07 T4im Krock: aren't you smalljoker on github?
18:07 exio4 The latest version of Minetest can be downloaded at Minetest.net. Thanks to Phoronix reader and Minetest contributor "Calinou" for letting us know about this latest update to the game in ending out 2014.
18:07 Krock oh right. bones at MTG
18:07 T4im ya
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18:07 exio4 we've our own marketing sector apparently :p
18:07 * exio4 hugs Calinou
18:07 Krock I thought the discussion can be found on the merge request
18:08 T4im just doing some fixes myself and wondered where that message went :D
18:08 T4im if you removed it accidentally, I'll just add it back, if that's fine with you
18:08 rubenwardy Hoodedice won't be happy that you replaced him
18:08 Calinou doing outreach is cool, albeit slightly risky
18:08 Krock ye sure but I thought BlockMen did not agree with the position
18:08 Calinou I should e-mail freegamer too
18:08 Krock something like "it would be too easy to find the bones again"
18:09 T4im ah, ok... is there a pullrequest comment or issue on that?
18:09 carjack what happened in minetest politics?
18:09 T4im just so I can get some context :D
18:09 rubenwardy I'd say 0.4.11 is reaching a stabl-ish point in terms of bugs. We still need 1) polish, 2) our own identity
18:09 rubenwardy 3) less bugs
18:09 marktraceur "
18:09 marktraceur "The reason Minecraft chose not to be open-source is to avoid the catastrophe that Infiniminer faced due to lack of proper modding support. It was made in C#. Thus, to make mods, people would decompile the executables, modify them, then distribute them. This caused severe fragmentation and a lack of upstream development."
18:09 rubenwardy That irrated me
18:09 marktraceur So...instead, clone in Java and also don't make proper modding support.
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18:10 marktraceur So people decompile the executables, modify them, then redistribute them.
18:10 T4im but minecraft _was_ open source in the beginning, wasn't it?
18:10 marktraceur Nope.
18:10 carjack marktraceur, BS but it worked from a marketing point of view
18:10 Krock T4im, uhmm https://github.com/minetest/minetest_game/com​mit/d47201f8136a0fe588143a112ba2aa1c713620b1
18:10 exio4 our own identity is easy
18:10 exio4 just make the cubes round!
18:11 Calinou it never was, T4im
18:11 Calinou they like to make people think it is
18:11 exio4 Minecraft is crap
18:11 exio4 mostly because that
18:11 Krock Minecrap :3
18:11 carjack minecrapft
18:11 carjack sounds more german
18:11 exio4 crapcraft
18:11 marktraceur It's a good game, and decent software, just lacks some things
18:11 Brains My favorite part of that thread is that most of the posts were not on "OMG Minetest Illegal!" but "Minecraft sucks. So. Bad."
18:12 Krock ask the same thing on the MC forums
18:12 Krock and you'll get the 1st type of messages
18:12 redstonecraftpl happy new year :)
18:12 carjack you can't do anything decent with java without professional java programmers
18:12 Krock redstonecraftpl, for you too.
18:12 Calinou it is not 2015 here yet (GMT+1)
18:13 exio4 professional java programmers don't want to write in java
18:13 exio4 because they know it is a shit language
18:13 exio4 and if it s a hobby, the last thing they'll want is a shit language
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18:14 Brains Plenty of java fans out there...  *shrug*
18:14 srifqi Hi! Good night.
18:15 Brains Plenty of C# fans too.
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18:15 exio4 the only way to like java, is because it's the only thing you know
18:15 T4im exio4: as a professional java dev, I don't agree with your statement... I just dislike oracle, but that's not javas fault :P
18:15 exio4 T4im, tell me what can java do that other languages don't do better
18:16 exio4 abstractions? Java has lots of useless abstractions as workarounds of the lack of expresiveness, the type system? it's crap, that is why people prefer dynamic languages!
18:16 carjack http://steamcommunity.com/​groups/minetestc55#members
18:16 T4im the big benefits is the huge ecosphere of preexisting code (like only c/c++ has) in combination with the currently best optized bytecode exexuting jit there is
18:16 T4im exio4: its not about the language... that's just a tool.. if you don't like it, write in clojure, jython, scala, groovy or any other one.. :P as a java dev I use it because of the jvm
18:17 T4im and the libraries available
18:17 Brains T4im: Can't claim the jvm, plenty of other languages use it.
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18:17 exio4 T4im, if Java was a plane, it'd be a bike
18:17 exio4 because it is counterintuitive to use, and isn't actually a good tool1
18:17 exio4 s/1//
18:17 Brains (Though I believe there are still some political issues around the jvm and standards.  Don't follow it enough to keep track of it though.)
18:18 T4im Brains: yes, but you always _also_ use java,… any other jvm languages make huge use of linking with java libs… :)
18:18 carjack java is fine but it is like giving a gun to a baby (compared to C - which would be a pencil)
18:18 exio4 no, it is like saying "I need to cook food, I better add poison!"
18:19 exio4 it is like COBOL, we're just stuck with it because Java enterprises(tm) use it and believe standards like those are good
18:19 T4im exio4: if it weren't a good tool for _something_ it wouldn't be around so big… why do people always call java people biased? :P I'm always the guy stating the "use the right tool for the right job, and don't compare apples with oranges without having stated what you compare them for"
18:20 exio4 T4im, that is the "popularity fallacy", X used a lot doesn't implies X is good
18:20 Brains T4im: While I think exio4 is overselling the point, appeals to popularity are not really good counters.
18:20 exio4 Windows is used more than Linux! it's probably better!
18:20 T4im exio4: lets call it and indicator… meh…
18:20 T4im an*
18:21 Brains T4im: The lack of decent non-java libraries for jvm-based languages doesn't sound like a good point to me.
18:21 exio4 the only good things that can be said about Java, aren't part of the language
18:21 exio4 which is _what_ I said I find useless crap
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18:21 exio4 T4im, what languages do you know?
18:22 T4im define "know"
18:22 Brains exio4: You go overboard.  *shrug*  Java is a functional tool as evidenced by its use in building software.
18:22 acerspyro "English and French"
18:22 T4im exio4: I am not just coding java… I code in the language I deem most helpful for the problem
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18:23 exio4 Brains, I don't think so
18:23 exio4 it is a functional tool, as long as the other tools are Brainfuck and PHP
18:23 T4im and there are problems java is better at than many other popular languages (and popularity is in this case often required.. noone wants to write in future abandonware)
18:23 T4im especially when modularity is involvewd
18:23 T4im involved*
18:23 exio4 modularity in the OOP world is a scam
18:23 Brains exio4: You can claim it is not the best tool but software has been written in it that achieved the desired goals.  Denying that just makes your side of the argument look silly.
18:24 exio4 Brains, this is about the programer cost
18:24 Brains exio4: You've just about driven me from my usual pee-on-Java side to defending it.
18:25 exio4 I'll say that Java as a language, makes it easier to make someone "productive" on it easily
18:25 exio4 there is no way to make good code on Java
18:25 Brains I've heard that but never found it all that true.  It always seemed to me to be something somebody who learned C++ but thought it was hard would say...
18:25 T4im exio4: that's fallacy too
18:26 harrison i am a fun guy, but it would not be moral to truffle with my feelings
18:26 harrison morel
18:26 harrison fungi
18:26 harrison see what i did there?
18:26 exio4 T4im, compared to other languages, you can just start on Java, because the language is so primitive that you can't write good
18:26 exio4 Java is the enterprise version of a turing tarpit
18:26 Brains Less punning and more punning are necessary to transition this flame war away from being such a boore.
18:27 Brains -e
18:27 Brains +e-o
18:27 * Brains can't even correct correctly.
18:27 carjack stop trying to correct it, you cannot
18:27 T4im exio4: I wish that was true… I had to help java people get something together… beyond the "simple" problems, most get overwhelmed quickly and have to learn more than any university could have prepared them for
18:28 T4im you learn the syntax in a short time, but you cannot learn development in a short time
18:28 T4im and it goes _always_ over the language… the language becomes utterly unimportant
18:28 carjack relax http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ytBRQJBPSg
18:28 exio4 learning development is a cost that is language-agnostic, non-modular languages make it harder though
18:29 exio4 the "OOP design patterns" also show a flaw of the design
18:29 exio4 and Java, in the time it was designed, adopting OOP, was just scam
18:29 T4im well.. i'ma stop here… this has become a flame war… and noone in this channel wants that :p
18:29 rubenwardy It's not just the syntax with java, it;s the whole folder structure and renamed zip file.
18:30 exio4 T4im, anyway, what languages have you used? know a language as writing more than <30LOC programs without getting overwhelmed
18:30 carjack jar jar is the key to all of this
18:31 carjack 30 love of code?
18:31 Brains exio4: 30LOC or 30*K*LOC
18:31 exio4 LOC, because in some languages 30kLOC are actually a lot
18:31 exio4 in Java you get to the K-level easily, in others, it is, well, harder
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18:32 Brains Heh, which is why 30kloc would indicate some familiarity.
18:33 Brains 30LOC is a really frickin' low bar.
18:33 exio4 I have to see any 30kLOC application written in a functional language, and isn't a really big
18:33 carjack you can probably write a httpd in obfuscated C
18:33 exio4 that*
18:34 exio4 Brains, but yeah, you can make *100 for Java, and *0.5 for APL/J
18:34 exio4 make it*
18:34 exio4 grr, I can't english
18:34 Brains exio4: Certainly, but I wouldn't call myself having used a language were I managed to write 30 lines...
18:35 exio4 I said getting overwhelmed, too
18:35 exio4 because, I can write 30 lines of Python too!
18:35 exio4 but I'd be extremly unproductive
18:35 Brains were=where.  Hate laptop keyboards.
18:36 carjack I hate keyboard laptops too
18:36 * Brains peeks into his docker build and sees it still isn't done.  Compiling, compiling, compiling...
18:36 DarkFire lol
18:37 DarkFire Brains You shoud port minetest to libretro
18:37 exio4 if you can write 30 lines of code for a random 'easy'[depends of the lang, here!] problem, I would say you are already kind of good at it
18:37 * Brains summons up the next interesting topic...  "So how about those silly irrlicht dependencies for a server-only minetest..."
18:37 DarkFire Then I can do a free ios version :P
18:37 exio4 er, I ate the "in a natural way"
18:38 exio4 if you can write 30 lines of code for a random 'easy'[depends of the lang, here!] problem in a natural way (like it was just a natural language), I would say you are already kind of good at it
18:38 exio4 there
18:38 exio4 if you can express yourself pretty easily on a language, in other words
18:38 exio4 this also talks about the expressiveness!
18:38 Brains I've seen this weird concept of seeming like a 'natural language' thing and it always makes me wonder why people don't have cars with legs...  I mean, it is a 'natural' method of locomotion.
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18:39 Brains /s
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18:39 carjack do you need irrlight for server?
18:39 exio4 I like to think of programming of half art, half logic
18:39 exio4 as*
18:40 Brains carjack: Apparently you need the headers, instructions for doing such a build are on the wiki.
18:40 exio4 seriously, my english is crap today
18:40 exio4 I can't even write spanish properly, actually :D
18:40 carjack I dont remember needing the libraries
18:40 carjack .. oh just the headers
18:42 Brains Once I get my dockerfiles written, I'll muck about with some ebuilds for irrlicht headers and a dedicated minetest server USE flag for the existing minetest ebuild.
18:43 Brains Any other gentoo/funtoo folks in here?
18:43 exio4 I haven't used gentoo in the past two years, mostly because I am lazy
18:44 exio4 2 years ago: "ohh, I just got this setup, will install debian right now, and tomorrow I start installing gentoo"
18:44 exio4 I still haven't moved from debian, even thought I dislike where they are heading
18:45 Brains We just left the java hatefest, it is too early for systemd haterade.
18:45 exio4 don't worry, I won't say systemd sucks because we all know that ;)
18:45 Brains DarkFire: I've decided to ignore your request as I couldn't possibly assist in anything that might result in iOS.
18:45 DarkFire Brains Or every platofrm?
18:45 DarkFire Like xbox
18:46 DarkFire Ps3
18:46 DarkFire Etc?
18:46 DarkFire Nice
18:47 Brains PCMASTERRACE REPRESENT!  (Did I copy reddit right?)
18:47 exio4 PC masterrace, yeah
18:48 exio4 until you can compile easily on a console, and switch the OS freely, I'll say PC rlz >:3
18:49 carjack http://littlealchemy.com/
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18:58 rubenwardy Hi all!
18:58 * exio4 slaps rubenwardy
19:02 Krock carjack, interesting experimental box
19:02 carjack 510 items
19:03 rubenwardy Wondering why the ore mapgen my mod added didn't work - the mod was disabled.
19:03 Krock LEL
19:05 rubenwardy !title https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.ph​p?f=3&amp;t=10885&amp;p=166568#p166568
19:05 MinetestBot rubenwardy: Gaining our own identity, as a gaming experience. - Minetest Forums
19:05 rubenwardy Any comments?
19:06 rubenwardy (You don't have to reply, you can just write them here if you like)
19:11 carjack download minetest, join a server, cannot do anything, ask why, you need interact, ask for interact, no admin around, exit minetest, delete it
19:12 carjack minetest loses half of the players there
19:13 redstonecraftpl let;s make better server
19:14 redstonecraftpl for everyone
19:14 exio4 I'd like the change to 100-based health, and changes in the hud
19:14 redstonecraftpl almost all minetest servers is not full often, 3 or 4 users are in
19:14 exio4 there was a suggestion, I think calinou said it
19:15 redstonecraftpl why not make cuboids? Hmm?
19:15 redstonecraftpl ahh
19:15 redstonecraftpl it is maked
19:15 redstonecraftpl so why FUCKING INTERACT IS NEED?
19:15 exio4 what
19:15 carjack let the newcomers build on a designated part of the map
19:15 redstonecraftpl sorry for shift
19:15 redstonecraftpl it is good idea
19:16 redstonecraftpl and i think if admin join and newcommer ask it can get his house to a new place
19:16 redstonecraftpl on *royal* normal map
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19:17 exio4 People expect an exact clone, and are disappointed to find out that their are no mobs / insert-feature-here.
19:17 exio4 People call us a rip off and never try the game, just by the looks. ("How is this legal?? Why doesn't MC sue?")
19:17 exio4 people is weird and self-contradictory
19:17 exio4 "I want a MC clone, but then I don't want it to be a MC clone!"
19:17 exio4 kill them all
19:18 carjack everygame is a rip off
19:18 exio4 not all, Minecraft is a totally new game.
19:22 carjack unique game with unique gameplay
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19:29 rubenwardy WIP. Only added ore so far
19:29 rubenwardy https://github.com/rubenwardy/alien
19:30 redstonecraftpl afk
19:32 rubenwardy lol
19:32 rubenwardy You're not AFK, you left the room
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19:34 Megaf !server Megaf
19:34 MinetestBot Megaf: Megaf Server v4.0 | mt.megaf.info:30003 | Clients: 8/10, 3/9 | Version: 0.4.11-dev / MegafXploreNext | Ping: 6ms
19:38 rubenwardy !sever Megaf
19:43 Krock !server ping:best
19:43 MinetestBot Krock: No results
19:43 Krock !server ping:laest
19:43 MinetestBot Krock: No results
19:46 acerspyro !server ping:ass
19:46 MinetestBot acerspyro: No results
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19:52 rubenwardy http://en.lichess.org/developers
19:52 rubenwardy Scroll down to the bottom XD
19:53 Krock rubenwardy, the [Donate] button?
19:53 rubenwardy No, Lichess Widgets
19:54 Krock leads to your github page..
19:55 rubenwardy XD
19:55 Krock You broke the system!
19:56 rubenwardy The Javascript for that website goes to my github
19:56 rubenwardy I could XSSS
19:56 rubenwardy * #I could XSS
19:57 rubenwardy * widget
19:57 rubenwardy Mw ha ha ha!
19:59 rubenwardy Lol, it shows my name because I am logged in
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20:20 redstonecraftpl Hi
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21:27 acerspyro Has IrrLicht been updated since 2013?
21:28 acerspyro irrlicht*
21:29 RealBadAngel acerspyro, irrlicht is an ongoing project
21:30 RealBadAngel check its site for changes
21:30 acerspyro thought so, someone told me it was inactive since 2013 (?)
21:31 RealBadAngel theyre not in hurry for sure
21:31 RealBadAngel since im a contributor to minetest i remember just one major shift from 1.7 to 1.8
21:37 jojoa1997 Ooh this is cool
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21:38 jojoa1997 I am finally doing a lua tutorial and some stuff are starting to make sense.
21:38 jojoa1997 Well it also helped that i to a class in programming too but I am starting to understand what others are writing
21:41 Brains Okay, I'm missing something important here...  Can somebody point me to some docs on creating a new world via a dedicated server?
21:42 LazyJ Brains, it may be easier to start the world locally as a singleplayer world, then transfer it to the server and run it from there.
21:43 jojoa1997 dint you just start the server?
21:43 jojoa1997 *dont
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21:45 LazyJ You could create the directory on the dedicated server and write a world.mt file. Then, when you start the server, make sure that you use the same name you gave the directory for the worldname.
21:45 Arch-TK Why does the lua_api markdown file have the txt extension?
21:45 Inocudom Calinou isn't here right now, is he?
21:46 LazyJ I think there is a forum thread debating whether or not to use .md or .txt.  The catch was Windows doesn't know what to do with a .md file yet.
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21:47 Arch-TK windows doesn't know what to do with any file.
21:48 Arch-TK Using the extension as the main hint of what to do with files is really silly.
21:49 LazyJ The extensions help the humans to see what types the files are.
21:49 Arch-TK that's not relevant to my point.
21:51 Arch-TK and in any case, visual queues like colour and symbols are a much better indication of what something is than an extension.
21:52 exio4 LazyJ, the extension is for the human, and then you get dog.png.exe
21:53 LazyJ Humans can add whatever characters they want to create an extension.
21:53 redstonecraftpl Arch-TK declaration on start of the file could be used, not the extension
21:53 redstonecraftpl declaration like PSX-EXE
21:53 redstonecraftpl or ELF
21:54 redstonecraftpl in HEX
21:54 Arch-TK such declarations are used in linux for example.
21:54 * Brains adds a gameid entry to the world.mt file and we're apparently off and running
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21:54 Arch-TK by things like FILE(1)
21:54 LazyJ I'm drawing from my experience in dealing with a large variety of graphic file types through the days of MSDos, Mac, Linux, and proprietary trade software.
21:55 Arch-TK and also usually file managers if people decide to use them.
21:55 redstonecraftpl what image file for dos? BMP and what? any other?
21:55 Arch-TK yes, where jpg is an umberlla term for 2 different storage formats.
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21:55 LazyJ Between dog.sw, dog.pdf, dog.eps, dog.rip, dog.cdr, and dog.lrt -  which one does your plotter need, which one does the secretary need, and which one does the subcontractor need?
21:56 Arch-TK there are times when extensions are useful but something like windows should not be using them to dictate what to do with a file.
21:56 Arch-TK but such is the restriction of the current registry based format for figuring out how to run things.
21:56 Arch-TK which already seems to be an awful mess.
21:58 redstonecraftpl LazyJ, dog.rip are for subcontractor! RIP !!
21:58 redstonecraftpl eps for plotter
21:58 redstonecraftpl pdf for secretary
21:58 Arch-TK In addition to the fact that manually managing it is unweildy and that changing the name of something changes how it's opened it also gives people the false idea that somehow if something is not a .txt it can't be read by humans.
21:58 Arch-TK or that somehow .txt is some "special filetype"
21:59 Arch-TK I've had to explain to someone that .txt is just part of the name and has no bearing on what's in the file, and that all files are stored equally and any indication of what they are can only be ever stored within them or with their name.
21:59 acerspyro lol
21:59 acerspyro That's fucking stupid
21:59 LazyJ The plotter neede the .ltr, the subcontractor the .pdf, and the secretary's billing program couldn't handle any of the files.
22:00 Arch-TK and the fact that to get windows to open all files with no extensions you actually have to edit the registry is mind boggling.
22:00 Arch-TK (open with something specific like vim)
22:02 redstonecraftpl Arch-TK i suggest installing linux: Ubuntu for complette dumbs, Mint for low-level dumbs, Debian for **ADVANCED** users, or even any other distro: floppix for minimalists, knoppix for someone fastly changning computers [...]
22:03 Arch-TK or archlinux.
22:03 redstonecraftpl just for Arch-TK
22:03 Arch-TK https://a.pomf.se/nuatii.png
22:03 redstonecraftpl i am using debian XD advanced USER XDD
22:03 acerspyro OpenSUSE for the whole pack without the bullshit that usually comes with it.
22:04 Arch-TK I've been using archlinux for a year now and I don't understand why people say it's complicated.
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22:05 acerspyro Arch-TK, Neither do I
22:05 Arch-TK It never breaks.
22:05 acerspyro But it fucked up on me, and everything was buggy, so I put Ubuntu on my computer. Such a regrettable decision.
22:05 Arch-TK Unless I break something.
22:05 Arch-TK then it's easy to fix.
22:05 acerspyro Arch-TK, I manage to fuck up computers
22:05 Arch-TK right
22:06 acerspyro My Minetest map gens show it, chunks generate accordingly to the next one
22:06 acerspyro So it creates huge height difference.
22:06 Arch-TK What minetest needs is computercraft.
22:06 acerspyro no
22:06 acerspyro Better performance
22:07 Arch-TK Or essentially the equivalent.
22:07 acerspyro An update to Irrlicht
22:07 acerspyro Then computercraft, or equivalent.
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22:08 Arch-TK So I'm guessing minetest uses this irrlicht?
22:08 redstonecraftpl Arch-TK, you are 100% right
22:08 Arch-TK right
22:08 exio4 Arch-TK, it only breaks if you don't take care of it
22:08 exio4 just like most systems..
22:08 twenty319 exactely
22:08 exio4 the problem with archlinux, it is that it needs more care than other distros
22:09 Arch-TK Nah.
22:09 Arch-TK I run pacman -Syu every now and again
22:09 redstonecraftpl xdd22.prv.pl/amiga/screennew.png
22:09 Arch-TK after making sure to check the archlinux-announce ML
22:09 acerspyro I don't want to have to take care of it all the time
22:09 Arch-TK and then it works fine
22:09 exio4 I haven't used in the past years, I have to say though, so my complaints may be outdated
22:09 redstonecraftpl Arch-TK, check out my debian desktop :D
22:09 acerspyro I want to be able to do my stuff, and that I don't have to fix shit on my system all the time.
22:09 Arch-TK redstonecraftpl: your URI is lacking a protocol
22:09 exio4 I used it for 2 years, then I got tired of it breaking and fucking up with my configurations
22:10 redstonecraftpl Sorry
22:10 Arch-TK redstonecraftpl: so much wasted space :(
22:10 redstonecraftpl http://xdd22.prv.pl/amiga/screennew.png
22:10 acerspyro I have opensuse downloaded
22:10 redstonecraftpl ya know
22:10 redstonecraftpl oldschool xD
22:10 exio4 Arch-TK, what WM btw?
22:10 Arch-TK exio4: i3
22:10 acerspyro I'll fuck it on a DVD and I'll install it
22:10 Arch-TK i3 tiling window manager
22:10 exio4 heh
22:10 acerspyro Arch-TK, I was using KDE, can't stand barebone stuff
22:11 exio4 have you tried xmonad?
22:11 Arch-TK I have at some point.
22:11 Arch-TK not for long. Actually I was testing between xmonad, awesome and i3
22:11 exio4 I have things like xmonad in my TODO list, I am just too lazy, so I just use KDE
22:11 Arch-TK and needed to get something running quickly
22:11 Arch-TK so didn't have time to learn haskell to figure out how to configure xmonad
22:11 Arch-TK (At least I think it uses haskell)
22:11 exio4 it does
22:11 exio4 that is why I talk about it!
22:12 * exio4 is a haskell fanboy
22:12 Arch-TK hmm
22:12 Arch-TK acerspyro: Ah yes, you're also polish.
22:12 acerspyro Wut
22:12 Arch-TK hmm
22:12 Arch-TK wait
22:12 acerspyro What do you mean I'm polish?
22:12 Arch-TK wrong person
22:12 Arch-TK redstonecraftpl: You're polish.
22:12 acerspyro lol
22:12 Arch-TK interesting.
22:12 exio4 I love the idea of having a staticly typed window manager >:3
22:12 acerspyro I'm canadian >:[
22:13 Arch-TK I was looking at that screenshot again and suddenly wondered why everything was in polish.
22:13 exio4 english for interfaces ftw
22:13 exio4 even though I don't really english as a language
22:14 acerspyro English for interfaces
22:14 acerspyro Agreed
22:14 Arch-TK at least I don't need to reinstall my operating system to change the "system language" or whatever windows calls it.
22:14 acerspyro I speak french as a first language
22:14 Arch-TK I mean you can change the locale in windows, but the prompts stay english.
22:14 Brains Heh, whoops...  Just OOMed by firing up minetest.
22:14 exio4 haskell.org/wikiupload/a/aa/​Screen-triplehead-galois.jpg my goal for the past year
22:14 Arch-TK Well. I don't know about anything above XP
22:14 exio4 not the keyboard though, I am not rich :D
22:14 Arch-TK But in XP you had to reinstall the operating system to change from polish to english.
22:14 acerspyro Arch-TK, You still need to re-install
22:14 Arch-TK because some application required the system to be in english to work
22:15 exio4 my first language is spanish, and my second one is english, sadly, I can't speak any of those properly :D
22:15 exio4 neither of those*?
22:16 acerspyro lol
22:16 jojoa1997` What version of Lua does minetest use?
22:16 acerspyro I speak and write both perfectly, but I don't know anything of other languages.
22:17 exio4 acerspyro, my english is mostly self-taught, so I do beginners mistakes all the time :p
22:18 acerspyro mine too, but I started young
22:18 exio4 I started like 3-2 years ago
22:18 Arch-TK jojoa1997`: 5.2.3 wfm
22:18 acerspyro I started 11 years ago, at 5
22:19 exio4 and programming?
22:19 jojoa1997` what does wfm mean?
22:19 exio4 works for me
22:19 Arch-TK I moved to the UK at the age of 9.
22:19 exio4 it uses a bundled version if you don't have one anyway
22:19 RealBadAngel guys, how is your new year is coming?
22:19 Arch-TK And i'm now 18. So I've had 9 full years of practice.
22:19 exio4 I've never been in an english-speaking country :/
22:19 RealBadAngel i do have 40 minutes left just
22:20 Arch-TK People use me as a thesaurus sometimes.
22:20 exio4 RealBadAngel, 7:20pm over here :P
22:20 RealBadAngel pluses of livin in europe :P we do have year shift at the right time lol :P
22:21 acerspyro We keep new year for later
22:21 RealBadAngel anyway bottoms up :)
22:21 RealBadAngel cheers
22:21 Arch-TK New year in 1 hour and 40 minutes ish
22:22 jojoa1997` wait it is new years?
22:22 acerspyro New year in 23 years, 7 hours and 38 minutes
22:22 exio4 \o rba, happy new year
22:22 jojoa1997` were have i been
22:22 exio4 jojoa1997`, in a hole
22:22 jojoa1997` acerspyro 23 hours
22:22 jojoa1997` exio4 WRONG!
22:22 Arch-TK a hole covered by a rock.
22:23 acerspyro no, 23 years
22:23 jojoa1997` the correct answer is under a rock under a mountain
22:23 acerspyro There will be another new year in 23 years
22:23 acerspyro jojoa1997`, The rock is the mountain
22:23 jojoa1997` no a mountain was placed on top of the rock silly
22:23 acerspyro Were you placed under the mountain too?
22:25 jojoa1997` silly acerspyro the rock is my home
22:25 jojoa1997` Im patrick
22:25 acerspyro There's no mountain over his house
22:26 Arch-TK I dug down 1000 blocks in minetest about 20 minutes ago and found jojoa1997`
22:26 jojoa1997` that is the difference between me and patrick
22:26 acerspyro the name
22:26 acerspyro [17:25] <jojoa1997`> Im patrick
22:26 acerspyro Contradictory
22:26 jojoa1997` acerspyro GET THE JOKE!!!
22:26 acerspyro I can't reach it!
22:26 acerspyro Send it by Fed Ex!
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22:27 * jojoa1997` accidentally sends acerspyro a bomb
22:27 jojoa1997` :3
22:27 * acerspyro sends the bomb back to jojoa1997` as a thank you gift
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22:28 jojoa1997` thank you I might be able to blow a tiny hole in this door
22:28 jojoa1997` darn didnt work
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22:35 john_minetest Hey.
22:35 john_minetest The year is nearly over here.
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22:37 Arch-TK I should work out what these numbered orange lights on the front of the box I call my "server box" mean.
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22:43 RealBadAngel 17 minutes to go
22:43 VanessaE still several hours to go, here
22:43 RealBadAngel how full is YOUR glass? :)
22:43 Jordach hang on
22:44 Brains 6.25hr or so here.
22:44 VanessaE it's empty, but the fridge is well-stocked ;)
22:44 Jordach there's a solution to our inability for infinite worlds
22:44 VanessaE Jordach: auto-teleport to a new world at the edge of the current world?
22:44 * Brains finally has a dedicated server running.  Time to kill it and rework it.
22:44 twenty319_ about 7 hours left for me
22:44 Jordach > This data format has a certain precision, leading to visible imperfections on objects located further than 10km from the origin
22:44 Jordach > the world in Space Engineers is split into independent clusters, wherein each object has its own coordinates relative to the cluster center.
22:44 RealBadAngel VanessaE, get one, dont let be empty on zero time in europe ;)
22:45 Brains How Eurocentric...
22:45 VanessaE RealBadAngel: heh, well I'm on EST, i.e. New York time.  my glass will be quite full about 6 hours from now ;)
22:45 RealBadAngel yup
22:45 Jordach VanessaE, instead of moving the camera around the world mesh, convert it to moving the mesh around the camera
22:45 RealBadAngel as always ;)
22:45 Taoki[laptop] Aaaand new year here. Happy new year everyone :)
22:45 RealBadAngel we are CET
22:45 VanessaE Jordach: it's already a hybrid of the two systems
22:45 * Brains believes that imbibing should occur at all points of the globe.  Any excuse for a party, as they say.  (Said with an empty glass.)
22:46 Jordach VanessaE, have 62km areas, like part(x,y)]
22:46 Jordach and at the edges, load both for the client
22:47 VanessaE Jordach: extending the world beyond the edges is not that hard.  DISPLAYING the extension is the hard part.
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22:48 VanessaE worst-case scenario, you'd have to display up to eight other extensions all at once
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22:48 Jordach VanessaE, basically at the edges merge +/-31  to the new edge of +/-31
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22:49 Jordach weld them together to make a 64km cluster, and then chop it to 32km around the player
22:49 Jordach as soon as the player is far enough into the new cluster, remove the old one from memory
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22:50 Jordach and remerge one half with it's other half
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22:53 RealBadAngel 7
22:54 RealBadAngel 6
22:55 Jordach VanessaE, imagine a giant chocolate bar with each square being 32km, and you're on the edge of one square
22:55 Jordach then break off a 1x2 segment in the closest edge to the new cluster
22:55 RealBadAngel 5
22:55 redstonecraftpl HAPPY NEW YEAR
22:56 * RealBadAngel prepares to open советское игристое
22:57 RealBadAngel theres Final Countdown played on the radio lol
22:58 RealBadAngel 2
22:58 Arch-TK what timer are you using?
22:59 RealBadAngel 1
22:59 RealBadAngel kinda atomic one
22:59 * Brains wonders how many people are still running the vuln version of ntpd...
22:59 RealBadAngel idk to which one im synced :P
23:00 VanessaE RealBadAngel: noz drovya :)
23:00 VanessaE (sp)
23:00 * Arch-TK runs 4.2.8
23:00 Arch-TK Hmm.
23:00 Arch-TK Only 1 hour till midnight.
23:01 Arch-TK There's a lot of champagne downstairs.
23:01 RealBadAngel guys
23:01 RealBadAngel here it is!
23:01 RealBadAngel the little 2015 one
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23:01 RealBadAngel happy new one!!!!
23:01 VanessaE happy new year RealBadAngel  :)
23:01 RealBadAngel we are goin outside brb
23:01 Arch-TK you're 59 minutes early :P
23:01 Arch-TK there's only one true timezone
23:01 Arch-TK obviously
23:02 Arch-TK UTC
23:02 Megaf Yep
23:02 Megaf It's 23:02 here
23:02 Megaf 03 now
23:02 Arch-TK hmm
23:02 Megaf UTC -0 here :)
23:02 * Arch-TK wonders which time to trust.
23:03 Brains Arch-TK: Better toast all of them, just to be sure...
23:03 Arch-TK both my local radio time clock and arch.pool.ntp.org pools give me 23:03:30
23:03 Arch-TK Brains: You mean get really drunk?
23:04 RealBadAngel anyway, BOTTOMS UP
23:04 Arch-TK It's surprising how close the local radio time and the network time are.
23:04 Arch-TK I should run my own local timeserver on my "server box"™
23:04 Brains Arch-TK: I suppose if that is your thing...
23:04 Arch-TK then all my machines will have _exactly_ the same time.
23:04 Brains Arch-TK: Yeah, local time is good time.
23:05 Brains (Very important for proper logs.)
23:05 Arch-TK sync the box to some pools or something but localized time :D
23:05 RealBadAngel who cares bout logs today?
23:05 RealBadAngel glass has to be full and emptied
23:05 Arch-TK RealBadAngel: working out what broke on your network requires that times on all machines are synchronised.
23:05 RealBadAngel fuck the logs ;)
23:05 Brains Arch-TK: I think he is thinking specifically *this* day...
23:06 Arch-TK hmm
23:06 Arch-TK maybe
23:06 RealBadAngel maybe?
23:06 * VanessaE pours RealBadAngel another glass :)
23:06 RealBadAngel VanessaE, THANK YOU :)
23:06 * Brains will have to break out some homebrew later.
23:06 Arch-TK I say..
23:06 Arch-TK Bigger screens definitely are better.
23:07 VanessaE I've got 3.75L of suitable alcohol in the fridge waiting for tonight :)
23:07 Arch-TK What do you mean by suitable?
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23:07 VanessaE alcohol suitable for the occasion :)
23:08 Brains There is unsuitable alcohol?
23:08 VanessaE Brains: yeah, beer :P
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23:08 Brains VanessaE: Oh disagree most vehemently.  =:P
23:08 Arch-TK Hmm, 29 days 22 hours and 31 minutes of uptime on this server.
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23:09 Arch-TK (this refers to my main VPS)
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23:09 redstonecraftpl /^\           ##   ###  #
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23:09 VanessaE besides, who rings in the new year with beer?
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23:09 Arch-TK VanessaE: You broke it :(
23:09 redstonecraftpl /|\
23:09 redstonecraftpl /|||\
23:09 Jordach ShadowBot, pls
23:10 Brains VanessaE: I will be this year...  Though I wouldn't be turning my nose up at some aged whisk(e)y.  You can keep the bubbly...
23:10 Jordach i prefer my lager based booze
23:10 VanessaE I've also got some nice, cheap wine :)
23:10 RealBadAngel советское игристое
23:11 RealBadAngel thats something must have
23:11 redstonecraftpl VanessaE, me too :D
23:11 RealBadAngel ^some bubbles ;)
23:11 exio4 >cheap wine
23:11 Arch-TK RealBadAngel: "Soviet sparkling"
23:11 exio4 >not having some expensive wine for new year
23:11 VanessaE Brains: so..."keep the bubbly"...meanwhile you're going after a bubbly beverage anyway? :)
23:12 RealBadAngel thats just a tradition
23:12 Arch-TK wait whiskey isn't bubbly
23:12 Arch-TK whisky*?
23:12 RealBadAngel apart we do have some vodka, some whiskey (kinda old) and a few beers
23:13 VanessaE RealBadAngel: I've got three 750mL bottles of André champagne and two 1.5L bottles of Arbor Mist strawberry wine
23:13 Brains VanessaE: While it has bubbles, most folks don't refer to beer as 'bubbly'...
23:13 VanessaE Brains: I was kidding :P
23:13 * Brains has to defend his homebrew...
23:14 VanessaE RealBadAngel: and "a bottle of very, very old scotch" ? :)
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23:15 * Jordach cracks out the 4:20
23:15 Arch-TK Hmmm.
23:15 Arch-TK There _is_ some vodka downstairs...
23:16 VanessaE Jordach: ain't it a bit early yet? :)
23:16 RealBadAngel VanessaE, johny walks here and there
23:16 * VanessaE revokes RealBadAngel's geek card.
23:17 RealBadAngel geek? i feel kinda pre-industrial lol
23:18 Jordach VanessaE, take yer pick https://cdn.mediacru.sh/Y/YiBkaKvjUL0c.jpg
23:18 RealBadAngel z80, asm on tapes
23:18 RealBadAngel this is prehistoric already lol
23:18 VanessaE Jordach: G*d damn, boy
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23:21 carjack happy 2012 guys
23:22 T4im happy 2015 :D
23:23 T4im I believe this applies to most europeans atm sans uk and portugal
23:23 T4im current CET has become big O_o
23:23 carjack isn't portugal in america?
23:24 T4im that was brazil :)
23:24 T4im carjack: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/​File:Time_zones_of_Europe.svg
23:25 T4im the left most blue one is portugal ;)
23:25 * Brains just started reading Cauldron today...  Doesn't look good for Europe.
23:27 carjack it is left out
23:28 carjack https://encrypted.google.com/#q=h​onolulu+kirimati+time+difference yet they are so close
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23:31 carjack http://i.imgur.com/CTy479C.jpg
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