Time Nick Message 00:47 cornernote gm all 01:43 hoodedice kaeza! 01:43 hoodedice awake so late? 01:44 kaeza eh? it's only 23:44 01:45 kaeza "only" 01:48 hoodedice > 23:44 01:48 shadowzone XD 01:48 hoodedice > you're from South 'Merica? 01:48 hoodedice I thought you were from europe 01:49 hoodedice wait 01:49 * hoodedice sucks at time related things 01:50 kaeza GMT-3 01:51 hoodedice ...not sure if that is in the middle of the atlantic or where... 01:52 hoodedice Greenland?! 01:52 hoodedice oh, South America after all 02:00 exio4 kaeza, more like 11:00? 02:03 kaeza DST 02:04 kaeza ...or something 02:09 kaeza hoodedice, functions and methods are the same thing, except it is called a "method" when it is applied to an object using the foo:method notation 02:10 hoodedice but I see that C# calls what java calls a method, a function 02:11 hoodedice rephrase: C# calls a function, the same thing what java calls a method 02:12 hoodedice so what exactly is the difference? function is applied to a var, method is applied to the object? 02:12 kaeza for all practical purposes, it doesnt matter 02:12 hoodedice ...ok. 02:13 kaeza a method is a function called on an object; if you have an object 'o' and it has a field 'f' which is a function, it is said that 'f' is a method of 'o' 02:14 hoodedice function TwoPlusSquare (in) /n return in * in + 2 /n end (/n is newline) 02:14 kaeza you should probably consult a WP article or something for the formal definition 02:14 hoodedice is ^ legal? 02:16 kaeza no, it is illegal. the FBI is now after you 02:16 hoodedice okay. 02:17 hoodedice As a non-american citizen in Murica, that is actually somehting that can happen to me. So, not funny 02:18 kaeza https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Method_(computer_programming) 02:19 kaeza BTW, your code would be "illegal" or "not valid" Lua because it uses "in", which is a reserved keyword, as a variable name 02:20 kaeza also, that would be called a "function", because it is not associated with an object 02:23 hoodedice okay, thanks 02:28 hoodedice bbl 02:31 shadowzone bye 02:54 hmmmm you know there's been a huge push to add doxygen comments to the core 02:54 hmmmm shouldn't the lua api be the first thing to get documented instead? 02:54 hmmmm it has a library-like interface and would maximally benefit from doxygen-style documentation 02:55 VanessaE um, it is documented? 02:55 hmmmm it is? 02:55 VanessaE https://github.com/minetest/minetest/blob/master/doc/lua_api.txt 02:56 VanessaE unless you mean more than this. 02:56 hmmmm oh 02:56 hmmmm i thought that was an attempt at comedy 02:57 hmmmm stuff that bad doesn't count as documentation 02:57 VanessaE heh 02:57 VanessaE well I have referred to the lua doc as a 'travesty' before 02:57 VanessaE mostly because it's so terse 02:59 Zeno` maybe someone should do it 02:59 hmmmm the people who want it done are the ones busy doing other things 02:59 Zeno` it won't get done then :D 03:00 hmmmm i already have plans to work over christmas break on a lua api unittest mod to be included as part of minimal 03:00 hmmmm i call it - minetesttest 03:01 Zeno` why not testoftheminetesttest 03:01 hmmmm test_of_minetest 03:01 VanessaE hmmmm: such a package exists already. it's called Dreambuilder ;) 03:01 VanessaE I'm pretty sure with the shitton of mods in that game, most of the API gets used :) 03:01 hmmmm vanessae, i want something that's a part of minimal and something that can be run automatically 03:03 hmmmm hehe, i think i came up with a winner of an interface for NodeResolver 2.0: http://fpaste.org/160437/41878537/ 03:05 VanessaE jeez, when I try to be serious, it's called a joke. I try to make a joke and it's taken seriously. I give up :P 03:06 VanessaE I can't win for losing (and I probably couldn't lose for winning, either :P ) 12:15 FreeFull Pro tip: use coal blocks to make your bread 12:15 catninja I think my landlord would complain 12:16 FreeFull Your minetest landlord? 12:23 ThatGraemeGuy pro tip automate it all with pipeworks and technic and always have enough bread whenever you need some 12:52 kaeza mornings 12:53 Zeno` nobody is awake 12:54 Zeno` they are in eternal sleep 12:57 hoodedice ayyy morning people! 13:16 Zeno` 'shrooms! 13:21 exio4 Zeno`, some people is just dead 14:23 n4x systemd is one of the best things in the world 14:25 n4x I mean, really! who wouldn't like something that doesn't work correctly? 14:27 marktraceur n4x: Sigh. 14:28 n4x had to restart my system for getting it working 14:28 marktraceur I was going to make an impassioned and eloquent plea to keep the channel on-topic and avoiding drama, but I'm so damn tired of it all, I can only sigh. 14:28 jin_xi yes keep this channel pure... 14:29 n4x we're using C++ for the code, and that language ain't pure! 14:29 * jin_xi is on fedora 14:29 * shadowzone is on windows 14:30 shadowzone I say that and proller joins 14:30 shadowzone maybe if I say it again he'll leave 14:30 shadowzone I dunno 14:31 marktraceur If you say it three times, Bill Gates will materialize in your house. 14:32 marktraceur And start padlocking your cabinets. 14:32 shadowzone hmmm, better not say it then. 14:32 shadowzone I did that when the ISIS thing started. 14:32 marktraceur Padlocked your cabinets? 14:33 shadowzone Yep 14:34 marktraceur I was thinking of getting the ISIL flag and sticking it in mutton. Islamic State in Iraq of Lamb. 14:34 shadowzone Lol 14:35 jin_xi but keeping this channel pure is a more pressing issue of course 14:35 shadowzone jin_xi, wot? 14:35 marktraceur jin_xi: Obviously not :) 14:35 marktraceur I'm just using my preferred form of impurity while we're here. 14:35 jin_xi im using systemd to chat here 14:35 jin_xi all new irc module 14:35 marktraceur Liar. :) 14:35 Zeno` I don't mind systemd 14:35 marktraceur 2014-12-17 - 08:35:47 CTCP VERSION reply from jin_xi: irssi v0.8.15 - running on Linux x86_64 14:36 shadowzone irssi 14:36 n4x I didn't mind it either, but it doesn't work Zeno` 14:36 shadowzone *barfs* 14:36 marktraceur shadowzone: Shut your whore mouth. 14:36 jin_xi spoofing user agent with all new stealth securityd 14:36 shadowzone Lol 14:36 shadowzone I use hexchat 14:36 shadowzone muchs nicer 14:36 shadowzone *much 14:36 n4x it is crap 14:36 n4x I am using it on my desktop because I am lazy though 14:36 n4x good enough 14:37 Zeno` systemd vs. init is flamewar material hehe 14:37 marktraceur It's the only way I can has persistent connections that don't suck 14:37 marktraceur My friends who have ZNC bouncers...they miss too much conversation 14:37 marktraceur I can come back and read all the scrollback. :) 14:37 n4x I didn't like systemd, I used it and because "it just worked" I didn't mind it, after a month of normal usage, it basically didn't work until I had to reboot 14:37 Zeno` speaking of which, vim is obviously the better editor 14:38 jin_xi i find other init systems irc support lacking 14:38 Zeno` lol jin_xi 14:38 n4x systemd is materialized skynet 14:38 marktraceur So how bout them minetests? 14:38 n4x it is all over your system, if someday you get an AI in the systemd core, it'll be able to control about 99% of the system 14:38 Zeno` minetest is not a very good text editor at all 14:39 marktraceur jin_xi: Tried emacs? :) 14:39 n4x emacs isn't either 14:39 jin_xi marktraceur: why bother, it will be included with the all new minit system 14:39 shadowzone I might try emacs 14:39 shadowzone I've heard it's good 14:39 n4x I've heard the same about systemd 14:39 jin_xi also yes i use emacs 14:39 n4x hint: it isn't 14:39 n4x (systemd) 14:39 jin_xi and vim 14:40 Zeno` n4x, what's wrong with it? 14:40 n4x so far, all I had were problems 14:40 n4x stuff doesn't work, it crashes and I need to reboot my system 14:40 Zeno` it's open source, you can fix it 14:40 * shadowzone glares at ShadowBot and feels like spamming 14:40 n4x I am not going to fix it, they sell it as THE thing, and there are other things that already work 14:41 n4x after I finish upgrading my system, I'll remove it, and lock all the packages with systemd in their names 14:41 Zeno` X11 already works 14:41 Zeno` it doesn't mean I don't wait for Wayland 14:41 n4x systemd didn't do anything new 14:41 n4x Wayland is a hipster thing that does a new cool thing, systemd is 1% new features, 99% NIH 14:42 n4x some concepts are good, but please, why do you have to takeover everything that works and rewrite it for the sake of doing it? 14:42 Zeno` Sounds like minetest 14:43 Zeno` We should just stick with how minetest already is! 14:43 n4x minetest isn't considered stable, and production-ready, is it? 14:44 Zeno` Lua is stable 14:44 n4x systemd developers have been selling it as the thing that works and does everything right compared to anything because it does everything by itself! and it is modular! you have 4000 binaries, where if you need one of those, you'll probably need 300 too, so it isn't that modular 14:47 sol_invictus n4x: have you already donated bitcoins to hire an assassin for the systemd devs? 14:47 n4x err. no, I haven't, I totally didn't do that, I mean, what are you talking about? 14:48 sol_invictus I heard some people wanted to start a camplaing 14:48 sol_invictus that would be a great thing to do 14:48 jin_xi just use minix now 14:48 jin_xi no need to kill 14:53 exio4 jin_xi: their work has been being dedicated to kill software that works and replace it with half-baked crap 14:55 exio4 it isn't killing, but getting back stuff that works 14:57 Zeno` geez 14:58 Zeno` nobody is stopping anybody from using initv scripts :/ 14:58 sol_invictus tell me more 14:58 exio4 systemd developers work harder at doing that 14:58 sol_invictus I tried to get back sysvinit on my debian and I failed 14:59 sol_invictus now it's half broken 14:59 exio4 you're always free to use another distro! 14:59 exio4 and switch to windows too! 14:59 * gravgun makes custom distro with custom init, problem solved 14:59 Zeno` I find threatening developers quite sickening 14:59 exio4 I like some concepts out of systemd, but the implementation and their way of doing this the worst thing anyone could ever imagine 15:00 Zeno` if you can do better then make your distro 15:00 Zeno` nobody is stopping you 15:00 Zeno` just do it 15:00 exio4 I'd switch to gentoo, but still 15:01 Zeno` no, not "but still" 15:01 Zeno` if you're so passionate you should do it 15:01 exio4 your solution is like telling "linux sucks, you can switch to windows" 15:01 Zeno` no it's not 15:01 exio4 it is, duh 15:01 sol_invictus I did switch, but still 15:02 Zeno` my solution is that if you don't like something and that something can be fixed then do it! 15:02 exio4 systemd is a regression 15:02 exio4 "stuff has been working for N years, something appears, stuff breaks, get something else" 15:02 Zeno` exio4, if it's a regression it will lose in the long run 15:02 Zeno` that 15:02 Zeno` that's how things work 15:03 exio4 yes, long run 15:03 shadowzone I am using windows for the time being 15:03 Zeno` exio4, but you can fix it 15:03 exio4 how could I fix it? 15:03 exio4 starting a new distro? it isn't something a single person can do, it is like saying "you don't like the kernel? write your own!" 15:04 Zeno` by making your own distro, or forking from an established distro just before it was mergered 15:04 Zeno` *shrug* 15:04 Zeno` the option is there 15:04 exio4 it isn't a real option 15:04 Zeno` of course it's a real option 15:05 sol_invictus it wouldn't be a problem if the systemd devs weren'ttrying to push it anywhere they can 15:05 exio4 that too 15:05 exio4 systemd devs should work at marketing, not being developers 15:05 Zeno` so why aren't the major distros objecting to it? 15:05 exio4 because major distros are either, under the influence of redhat, or because the system devs are in the "admin team" 15:05 Zeno` lol 15:06 Zeno` debian is influenced by redhat? 15:06 sol_invictus of course 15:06 exio4 their "main" team is filled with systemd devs and fans 15:06 exio4 I would say it counts as that 15:06 exio4 it is like debian and ffmpeg 15:07 exio4 your solution are "well, if you don't like the new hispter thing that is everywhere, start your own" 15:07 Zeno` well, if you're not willing to put in your own time to change this I guess nothing will happen 15:08 Zeno` it's not impossible 15:08 Zeno` I think that sometimes people are scared of change 15:09 exio4 I already said I like systemd concepts 15:09 Zeno` Which is only human of course 15:09 exio4 I wish I could have a cool init system 15:09 exio4 that did those things 15:09 exio4 but systemd is basically a catch-all program that replaces 27 of 30 parts 15:09 exio4 where only one of those is the init system 15:10 Zeno` Well, you can't have cool things unless you're willing to wait (or make the cool things yourself) 15:10 exio4 systemd devs pushed it everywhere 15:10 sol_invictus I wonder, is anyone happy with pulseaudio? 15:10 exio4 I am not 15:10 Zeno` exio4, they pushed it... nobody was forced to accept it 15:11 exio4 Zeno`: if you have a monopoly (of opinion), what you said is always the majority 15:13 sol_invictus Zeno`: btw that argument about major distros... some debian devs loft the team after systemd was accepted 15:13 exio4 and some debian devs have resigned 15:13 gravgun exio4: devuan? 15:14 exio4 cool, haven't heard of it, I mostly saw single-app replacements 15:17 Zeno` sol_invictus, and they forked it 15:17 Zeno` this was the right thing to do 15:17 sol_invictus Zeno`: are there any proves it was them? 15:18 Zeno` sol_invictus, only that their names are the ones in the fork ;) 15:18 Zeno` if the fork prevails then it will become mainstream 15:19 Zeno` see the gcc vs egcc thing 15:19 sol_invictus both debian and devuan has silly names \: 15:20 Zeno` egcs* 15:21 Zeno` egcs got merged back into gcc 15:21 Zeno` who knows... if systemd is so bad then devuan will get merged back into debian 15:23 exio4 if windows is so bad, why is it used everywhere? 15:23 shadowzone exio4, cause it's not that bad 15:23 shadowzone I don't care which OS I use as long as I have one 15:24 exio4 the only argument in favor of windows, is third-party software, games 15:28 DevilRomeo2 i am really dissapointed 15:28 exio4 me too 15:28 exio4 we should hug 15:28 DevilRomeo2 very dissapointed of Xandu Server 15:29 DevilRomeo2 Titan one of the staff member remove my priv and kicked me for no reason i did not even troll or swear i did not break the rules this staff is abusing his power 15:30 sol_invictus surprisingly, that's not the first time I hear a story like that about xanadu 15:30 DevilRomeo2 swag 15:37 DevilRomeo2 TESTING 12 15:40 DevilRomeo2 ssss 15:40 marktraceur DevilRomeo2: Hush 15:40 marktraceur You'll wake the baby 15:41 DevilRomeo2 huh 15:41 DevilRomeo2 you cant shush me :P 15:41 shadowzone DevilRomeo2, type /server isis.inchra.net 15:41 shadowzone then type /join #minetest 15:51 hoodedice IDEA: An option to permanently download all server assets 15:52 CWz there is a cache folder which all of the textures and stuff is stored 15:55 hoodedice well 15:55 hoodedice in non-cached form 15:55 hoodedice also, sfan5! RC wielditems are messed up 15:55 hoodedice including hand 16:34 kaeza RC? 16:35 * exio4 hugs kaeza 16:36 * kaeza hugs exio4 back 16:37 exio4 how is it going kaeza! 16:37 kaeza good I guess :P 16:52 hoodedice cold milk in winter is a bad idea 16:53 exio4 hi 17:24 rubenwardy Yo! 17:24 rubenwardy Wat up, birches? 17:24 Calinou hi 17:25 Zeno` Calinou, 1984 is more of a feature right? 17:25 Zeno` so it should probably wait until after 0.4.11 17:25 Calinou my PR is purely a fix 17:25 Calinou wtf 17:25 Zeno` fix? 17:25 Calinou a one-line change like that has to wait after 0.4.11? 17:26 Zeno` is testsounds/ a bug? 17:26 Calinou it fixes something awkward 17:27 Calinou it shouldn't have “test” in its name 17:27 Zeno` this whole thing is awkward hehe 17:27 Zeno` (I agree with you btw) 17:27 gravgun >implying whole MT code is not awkward 17:28 * gravgun gets out 17:28 CWz hey Zeno` 17:29 Zeno` hi Cwz :) 17:29 marktraceur Has anyone had any trouble with time_speed? 17:29 marktraceur I wanted to set it to 0 but it doesn't appear to work. 17:30 Calinou marktraceur, /set -n time_speed 0 17:32 marktraceur Thanks :) 17:33 marktraceur I got tired of typing /time 5800 :) 17:33 MinetestBot 02[git] 04Zeno- -> 03minetest/minetest: Do not allow the m_transforming_liquid queue to increase until all RAM is consumed 13082256a http://git.io/JIUsgg (152014-12-18T03:32:19+10:00) 17:36 rubenwardy it shouldn't have “test” in its name 17:36 rubenwardy Hmmm 17:39 kaeza mine_game? <_< 17:51 Jordach dammit dammit dammit 17:51 Krock yes. Hi. 17:51 * Jordach ordered presents 17:51 Jordach turns up tomorrow 17:52 Jordach and nobody is here, except it'll be at the post office for me to collect tomorrow 17:56 hoodedice uncle got a smart TV with 4k res 17:56 hoodedice installed it right in the next room 17:56 hoodedice it uses Wifi. 17:57 hoodedice My laptop also uses WiFi. It has a Realtek 8188EE. 17:57 hoodedice tl;dr I can't play LoL anymore. 17:58 Krock Flash player crashed 17:58 Krock \o/ 17:58 hoodedice MFW I can't play League because my 2 year old cousin is watching Handy Manny 17:58 hoodedice Flash is eil 17:58 hoodedice *evil 17:58 Calinou (-: 17:58 hoodedice (jk) 17:59 hoodedice ^how to make Calinou mad. 18:00 hoodedice MFW I will now spend my whole day listening to kiddy songs because my headphone is open ended and I can't listen to music because my ears hurt anyway 18:00 marktraceur I can't see your face at all 18:00 hoodedice there should be a #rant 18:00 marktraceur There is, /join #fsf 18:00 Jordach zing 18:00 Jordach marktraceur, i *may* eventually donate :P 18:00 Jordach ISIC card 4 lyfe 18:01 marktraceur Jordach: That would be cool of you! The foundation is great. 18:01 hoodedice thanks marktraceur! /s 18:02 Jordach marktraceur, i can agree (if they were a bit more supporting of non-free in certain conditions where it would be impossible, ala pushing Gaming on Linux via Valve) 18:02 marktraceur "impossible" is a relative term. 18:02 Jordach considering how Windows is a primary platform for it? yes. 18:02 marktraceur Jordach: Certain members of the community are more or less supportive of compromising with non-free software in certain places. 18:03 marktraceur Jordach: Gaming, I think, is one place where it's silly to compromise 18:03 marktraceur *most* of the time. 18:03 marktraceur Console gaming is more of an issue 18:03 Jordach marktraceur, been using FOSS in my Creative IT course instead of Adobe junk 18:03 hoodedice *facepalm* 18:03 marktraceur Neat. 18:03 Jordach (Blender, Krita, GIMP, Inkscape) 18:03 hoodedice gaming is relevant #gamergate 18:03 Jordach marktraceur, consoles suck anyways 18:03 hoodedice ^ 18:03 marktraceur Jordach: Nuh uhhhh 18:04 hoodedice ^peasant. 18:04 Jordach marktraceur, older consoles from 1985-2004 18:04 Calinou Jordach, cool 18:04 hoodedice marktraceur is a peasant 18:04 Jordach those are fine, but these new ones? oh fuck no (read; i want to play games, not sit there waiting for patches and other BS to download) 18:04 marktraceur hoodedice: It's true. 18:04 Calinou Jordach: Gaming, I think, is one place where it's silly to compromise 18:05 Calinou indeed; free gaming is possible 18:05 marktraceur Jordach: So...PS2? :) 18:05 hoodedice marktraceur is a filthy console peasant 18:05 Calinou people compromise out of comfort as usual 18:05 Jordach marktraceur, i can't argue with one of the best consoles of all time 18:05 hoodedice #PCMasterRace 18:05 Jordach i even have a modified PS2 controller that works on PC/Linux 18:06 Jordach i might also try out Debian with Steam just to see how well my 750ti performs 18:06 hoodedice https://privatepaste.com/e83bb11153/wtf 18:06 hoodedice > PS2 controller 18:06 hoodedice #PS4controllerMasterRace 18:06 Jordach hoodedice, busted my 360 troller 18:07 marktraceur hoodedice: What the hell, dude. 18:07 Jordach (the wiring got torn apart inside the protective cable around it when getting rolled under my chairs wheels) 18:08 Jordach marktraceur, you know what's saddening? 18:08 Jordach OpenShot 2.0 promised Windows, Mac and Linux support, and it's gone MIA since the kickstarter 18:10 marktraceur Jordach: So what does it support, OpenBSD? 18:10 marktraceur LoseThos? 18:10 marktraceur DOS? 18:10 marktraceur XBMC? 18:11 marktraceur LibreWRT? 18:11 hoodedice marktraceur: https://privatepaste.com/abe52bcc05/1212121 18:12 Jordach marktraceur, it supports Linux only 18:12 marktraceur Jordach: Ah. 18:12 marktraceur hoodedice: #fsf has enough trolls without you 18:12 hoodedice well 18:12 hoodedice you were the one who told me to go there. 18:12 Jordach marktraceur, i still want the KDE project to put KDEnLive on Windows systems 18:12 marktraceur hoodedice: No I didn't. 18:13 marktraceur Jordach: And how. I haven't used it in a while, though. 18:13 hoodedice [13:00:35] There is, /join #fsf 18:13 Jordach marktraceur, there's a probject to put the best KDE software onto Win systems 18:13 Jordach https://windows.kde.org/download.php 18:14 marktraceur > probject 18:14 marktraceur I like it. 18:14 Calinou that project is pretty much secondary in their to-do list 18:14 marktraceur I'd imagine so, it's hard enough getting traction among GNU/Linux users for KDE 18:14 * Calinou is not a KDE user :) 18:16 * gravgun is using Quassel, i.e. KDE software! (notice me Calinou !) 18:16 Jordach Quassel is a very good client 18:16 gravgun As much as KDevelop is an awesome IDE 18:16 * hoodedice uses Quassel too 18:16 gravgun using it right now 18:17 hoodedice they don 18:17 gravgun \o/ 18:17 hoodedice they don't have auto-uodate tho 18:17 hoodedice which is sad 18:17 gravgun What auto-update? 18:17 hoodedice because I was running the heartbleed SSl for a very long time 18:17 hoodedice I'm on Windows 18:17 gravgun I'm on Arch, birch 18:17 gravgun :P 18:17 hoodedice k 18:17 gravgun rolling release ftw 18:19 Jordach marktraceur, in recent times my Blender skill has reached a ceiling 18:19 Yellowberry hi 18:19 Jordach i can't make it look better without learning Cycles or post-pro 18:20 Calinou is Cycles faster than Blender:Render? 18:20 Jordach Calinou, GPU dependant 18:20 Jordach it needs CUDA 18:20 gravgun Wait 18:20 gravgun CUDA? 18:20 Jordach ...if you want to go fast 18:20 Jordach gravgun, nvidia tech 18:20 gravgun No OCL? 18:20 gravgun ikr 18:20 Calinou yes, no OpenCL 18:20 Calinou not planned apparently 18:20 Calinou Blender devs sold them to two devils at a time 18:20 gravgun me disappointed very much 18:20 Jordach (seriously, fuck nvidia, might go AMD when the next blender releases with OCL type) 18:21 gravgun fuck nvidia AND amd, intel 18:21 Calinou there won't be OpenCL in the near future 18:21 Calinou what gravgun said 18:21 Calinou they all suck, ultimately 18:21 gravgun oh and the worst 18:21 gravgun ImgTech 18:21 Jordach Calinou, AMD cards with the Omega driver support OCL 18:21 marktraceur Kid CUDA, his new single, Pursuit of Performanceness 18:21 Calinou yes they do 18:21 Calinou but will Blender? 18:21 gravgun x) 18:21 Jordach Calinou, Cycles-dev supports OCL 18:21 Calinou are there missing features? 18:21 Jordach not sure 18:21 Jordach i still love Interals like crazy 18:22 gravgun you accidentally an n I think 18:22 Jordach (the other renderers love their Intel + nvidia CGPUs and windows) 18:23 gravgun Anyway I'm crap at Blender 18:23 gravgun I can make cubes 18:23 gravgun woo 18:23 Jordach gravgun, 16k render of a blender cube over here 18:23 gravgun yay 18:24 Jordach (that little shit crashes browsers) 18:24 gravgun 16k? I ain't even mad 18:24 Jordach also, jesus students get cheap booze at places that support ISIC cards 18:24 Jordach £1.50 for a pint?!??!? 18:25 gravgun ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ 18:31 roniz why does V7 mapgen have no biomes? 18:32 hmmmm because nobody put biomes into minetest_game 18:32 hmmmm minetest_game is someone elses' responsibility.. 18:33 DevilRomeo2 sup 18:34 shadowzone sup DevilRomeo2 18:35 DevilRomeo2 are u still at school ? 18:37 shadowzone Nope 18:37 shadowzone It's break 18:37 Yellowberry aw 18:37 shadowzone Yeah.. 18:37 Yellowberry mine doesn't start till Friday 18:37 Yellowberry :( 18:38 shadowzone Lucky 18:38 DevilRomeo2 calinou sup 18:38 DevilRomeo2 Calinou* 18:38 Calinou hi 18:38 DevilRomeo2 How are you ? 18:39 Calinou fine 18:41 hoodedice DevilRomeo2: type half the name like hood, then press TAB 18:41 hoodedice hood 18:41 DevilRomeo2 hoodedice: bish you guese it 18:41 DevilRomeo2 xD 18:41 rubenwardy Make sure you check, otherwise you end up writing "ShadowBot" 18:41 rubenwardy when you wanted Ninja 18:42 shadowzone I have it set to last said 18:42 hoodedice Webchat tells you if there are multiple people 18:42 DevilRomeo2 I don't wanan copy fireball code to make Z Staff feel bad about copying other people's hardwork code 18:43 DevilRomeo2 well since they ban me from xandu server for no reason I guese I have to cancle Z Staff sorry Zeno_Effect 18:44 hoodedice bl 18:44 hoodedice *bbl 18:44 Calinou you can copy it, under certain conditions 18:45 DevilRomeo2 idc If that license is wtfpl 18:45 DevilRomeo2 I still feel bad 18:45 DevilRomeo2 That's why my license code is BY NC ND 18:46 * Calinou facepalm 18:46 Calinou that license isn't allowed in Mod Releases forum 18:46 Calinou also, about prohibiting commercial use, see http://freedomdefined.org/Licenses/NC 18:46 shadowzone It isn't? 18:46 DevilRomeo2 mine is at WIP XD 18:46 Calinou it won't be moved out of WIP, until you change licensed 18:46 Calinou -d 18:47 DevilRomeo2 well let it be on wip then forever 18:47 DevilRomeo2 xD 18:48 DevilRomeo2 well I just need a license that can stop any player re modify my code and post it as his own code 18:49 marktraceur DevilRomeo2: Attribution will do that, and pretty much any free license has protections for attribution. 18:49 Yellowberry BY SA does that right? 18:49 marktraceur Even just BY. 18:50 rubenwardy BY 18:50 marktraceur But if you're licensing code, *please* don't use CC. 18:50 marktraceur It's just silly. 18:50 Yellowberry why/ 18:50 Yellowberry ? 18:50 rubenwardy GPL 3.0 or later is standard 18:50 rubenwardy CC is for media, like images and text 18:50 rubenwardy Not for code 18:50 marktraceur It's not meant for code, it never was. 18:50 rubenwardy It works, but doesn't completely protect 18:50 marktraceur There are things involved in software that aren't dealt with by CC. 18:50 marktraceur Patents, compiling, etc. 18:51 DevilRomeo2 oh god whats with nova skin webpage get ur ass online bro its been 4 days 18:51 Calinou GPL 3.0 or later is standard 18:51 Calinou incompatible with Minetest upstream 18:51 Calinou prefer “LGPL 2.1 or later” 18:51 marktraceur Despite my best efforts 18:51 rubenwardy LGPL sucks 18:51 marktraceur And how. 18:51 Calinou it may do, but it is what Minetest uses 18:51 Yellowberry you see, that is why I don't deal with licences 18:52 rubenwardy You can always relicense, but the GPL 3.0 will still be available. 18:52 Calinou I deal a lot with licenses, it's entertaining 18:52 DevilRomeo2 what about GNU 18:52 Calinou rubenwardy, or dual-license 18:52 Yellowberry and get say, screw it, Unlicence 18:52 Calinou “LGPL 2.1 or later” + “GPL 3 or later” 18:52 kaeza Yellowberry++ 18:52 Calinou people can choose either, or one of them 18:52 kaeza or BSD, or MIT, or CC0 18:52 Calinou this is what Qt did for a while 18:53 shadowzone DevilRomeo2, no one will maliciously wreck or distribute your code. 18:53 shadowzone So, why you are so bent on using a license that prohibits them from then dumbfounds me. 18:53 shadowzone Cause we're all family here. 18:53 shadowzone We would never do anything to hurt your code 18:53 kaeza what 18:53 DevilRomeo2 poor shadow 18:53 rubenwardy ShadowBot-- 18:53 Calinou probably used multi-line input 18:53 Yellowberry lol 18:53 kaeza Calinou, or lagging connection 18:53 Calinou anyone wants to play chess? 18:53 DevilRomeo2 well is swear word allowed in here 18:54 DevilRomeo2 xD 18:54 marktraceur DevilRomeo2: Fuckin' right they are 18:54 kaeza DevilRomeo2, yes, as long as they are fucking reasonable 18:54 Yellowberry lol 18:55 shadowzone yikes 18:55 Yellowberry enough of that :P 18:55 Calinou http://lichess.org/4oyf1Hsj – 15+0 – first one to click plays 18:55 DevilRomeo2 TITAN YOU STUPID MOTHER FUCKER FUCK YOU FUCK YOUR ADMIN COMMANDS REMOVING MY PRIV FOR NO REASON FUCK YOU AND FUCK YOUR TINY LIL DICK U #STUPID MOFO SUFFER 18:55 Calinou don't write in all-caps though 18:55 Yellowberry yep 18:55 DevilRomeo2 ah its so good yelling out my anger 18:55 kaeza and no "u" either 18:55 shadowzone what'd I miss? 18:55 Yellowberry everything 18:56 shadowzone Hmmmm 18:56 DevilRomeo2 you missed my swear xD 18:56 kaeza repeat after me: "I will not use 'u' in place of 'you'" 18:56 shadowzone been lagging a lot 18:56 shadowzone I will use u in replacement of you 18:56 DevilRomeo2 I will use u instead of you 18:56 DevilRomeo2 xD 18:57 DevilRomeo2 kae we all disagree 18:57 DevilRomeo2 xD 18:57 kaeza u sux 18:57 DevilRomeo2 your mama sux 18:57 DevilRomeo2 xD 18:57 kaeza yes :( 18:57 Yellowberry sux wat? 18:57 Yellowberry :P 18:57 DevilRomeo2 wait what! 18:57 DevilRomeo2 LMFAO 18:57 Calinou marktraceur / rubenwardy: chess? 18:57 shadowzone I like kaeza, doe. 18:58 shadowzone he is nice to me 18:58 shadowzone kaeza++ 18:58 rubenwardy Busy. Always so busy. :) 18:58 shadowzone hi exio4 18:58 DevilRomeo2 Anywone wanan play GunZ2 only for peeps who live at South East Asia 18:58 * kaeza hugs shadowzone 18:58 * kaeza licks exio4 18:58 * shadowzone meows at exio4 18:58 * DevilRomeo2 18:58 * DevilRomeo2 throws masterball to everywone 18:59 * Yellowberry slaps everyone 18:59 DevilRomeo2 hey is that original cg that made pvp server x3 18:59 kaeza everywone! wabbits! 18:59 marktraceur Calinou: I'm kinda busy too, sorry 18:59 * DevilRomeo2 sings wiggle wiggle wigle 18:59 cg72 no its me DevilRomeo2 19:00 Calinou Yellowberry, chess? 19:00 DevilRomeo2 me what mew or mewtwo xD 19:00 shadowzone cg72, uh huh 19:00 Yellowberry hmm 19:00 DevilRomeo2 xD well don't ask me for chess cause I don't know how to play that 19:00 DevilRomeo2 I can play Dam anyone x3 19:01 DevilRomeo2 shadow say smaasitf 19:02 DevilRomeo2 forgot everywone cant talk their captured by my masterball xD 19:02 DevilRomeo2 shadow 19:03 DevilRomeo2 say smaasitf 19:19 exio4 hi kaeza / shadowzone 19:21 Calinou chess: http://lichess.org/4oyf1Hsj – 15+0 – first one to click play 19:23 sol_invictus I guess Calinou doesn't know anything besides chess. oh. 19:23 Calinou now playing: http://lichess.org/4oyf1HsjNi0R 19:23 Calinou sol_invictus, no one clicked it :P 19:25 kaeza remember JSBombers? I miss that one :( 19:46 rubenwardy http://rubenwardy.github.io/2014/12/16/lotka-volterra/ 19:46 Calinou sounds like name of a vodka 19:47 marktraceur I'd drink that mixed with tonic water. 19:47 rubenwardy Lol 19:49 rubenwardy Updated: http://rubenwardy.github.io/minetest_doc/chapters/formspecs.html 20:08 Yellowberry I am lonely 20:11 TenPlus1 hi folks... any devs in the house today ? 20:12 TenPlus1 need some help with latest MT dev and v7 mapgen, it's all gone kinda crazy o.O 20:12 Yellowberry TenPlus1: what's going on? 20:13 TenPlus1 running Ethereal on latest dev only gives bamboo biomes even though 13 exist... 20:13 TenPlus1 I've tried to incorporate new values that paramat stated in forums but nothing works, it's always bamboo 20:14 Yellowberry I think that is paramat's problem 20:15 TenPlus1 v7 biomes were working nicely, what changed ? 20:18 Yellowberry since when has this been a problem? 20:19 TenPlus1 the last few daily releases, v7 mapgen has been screwy and not working properly, before that biomes worked fine... 20:19 TenPlus1 I was given this: https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=18&t=10621&p=164110#p164110 20:20 TenPlus1 but sadly does not help any... they are still buggy... 20:21 Yellowberry what is the last date that it worked properly? 20:21 TenPlus1 oh crap, say a week back... amnot 100% sure sorry 20:22 TenPlus1 I was testing ethereal udpate on standalone dev 31xx and it worked... since 321x it has been borked 20:22 TenPlus1 am using 3218build just now 20:23 Yellowberry hmm 20:23 Yellowberry hmmm 20:23 Yellowberry hmmmmm 20:24 TenPlus1 it was all working nicely before so I dont get the change... 20:25 PilzAdam TenPlus1, we told you, the API wasn't stable and will change 20:26 TenPlus1 I know PilzAdam but I never thought it would break this badly... is there any way to get it working again ?? 20:26 PilzAdam dunno 20:26 PilzAdam do you believe devs now if they tell you something is unstable? 20:27 TenPlus1 was testing everything before 0.4.11 was released... 20:27 TenPlus1 dont want ppl upgrading then all of a sudden Ethereal no longer workd 20:28 PilzAdam well, honestly, it's your fault if you use an unstable API 20:29 TenPlus1 agreed, but code mapgens like paramat uses are so damned slow... this was the fastest I'd ever used and Xanadu server works so well 20:30 PilzAdam it's still not in lua_api.txt, so it's still not "stable" 20:31 hmmmm biomes were never a supported feature 20:31 hmmmm also biomes and mapgen v7 work perfectly fine for me 20:31 TenPlus1 hmm,m, could you please send me a LUA example of your biomes 20:32 PilzAdam hmmmm, will they be supported for 0.4.11? 20:32 hmmmm they won't be supported until they're actually good 20:32 hmmmm TenPlus1, don't have any 20:32 TenPlus1 if it's just me and I'm doing something stupid then looking at your code will show me what I'm doing wrong... 20:32 TenPlus1 I have 13 biomes defined and all I see is one 20:34 TenPlus1 or could you look at this page and tell me if I'm doing something stupid: https://github.com/tenplus1/ethereal/blob/master/mapgen_v7s.lua 20:34 Megaf_ hm, I'm living with my girlfriend for 4 months now, and we are practiacally living toguether for two and a half years 20:34 Megaf_ I think it's time to go one step further 20:34 Megaf_ Isn't it? 20:36 hmmmm could it be that your ethereal options aren't set to 1? 20:36 TenPlus1 all biomes are set to 1 and enabled 20:37 hmmmm looks fine to me 20:42 TenPlus1 it's just a bug in the build... 20:43 hmmmm can confirm. having problems with more than one biome. 20:44 TenPlus1 thx for checking dude 20:46 hmmmm wondering why nobody brought this problem up before seeing as how it's such a visible issue 20:49 TenPlus1 the major v7 mapgens like paramats use his own code to draw them so it wouldnt be noticable... it's only the few using v7 mapgen to do the actual work (ethereal, simplev7) that show the glitches 20:53 TenPlus1 simplev7 shows only jungles everywhere 20:55 hmmmm ahh whoops, i forgot about checking the biome noise parameters when i added the auto-noise-transform feature 20:55 TenPlus1 could that be causing the 1 biome worlds ? 20:55 hmmmm ...yes... that's why I said it in the channel 20:56 TenPlus1 sweet, glad you found it :) can't wait for tomorrow's daily 20:58 hmmmm thanks for reporting that btw 20:58 TenPlus1 no probs, thanks for finding it so quickly :P 20:58 TenPlus1 I'll update when new release is out and give it a good testing :) 20:59 Yellowberry ⁻‿⁻ 20:59 TenPlus1 thanks all... time for bed :P 21:31 luizrpgluiz hi 21:47 roniz hi luizrpgluiz 21:49 jojoa1997 why was 4aiman banned? 21:50 jojoa1997 oh nvm he wasnt. My fault for believing a single post 21:52 luizrpgluiz roniz: hi roni :) 22:07 roniz you know the ethereal world gen 22:07 roniz its really good 22:08 roniz is there a way to make it less flat and give more altitudes 22:10 luizrpgluiz I know him, he is very heavy here for my notebook 22:10 luizrpgluiz sorry for my english 22:10 luizrpgluiz i am portuguese brazilian 22:11 roniz its okay, most people speak with bad English on IRC 22:12 roniz if you need any help, ask 22:17 gravgun HEY EVERYONE! DID YOU KNOW ALL WHAT YOU SAY ON THIS IRC CHANNEL IS LOGGED HERE: http://irc.minetest.ru/minetest ? 22:18 gravgun (see #minetest-dev logs for allcaps justification) 22:32 kaeza wut 23:37 luizrpgluiz hi 23:42 ciwolsey hey 23:43 ciwolsey does mesecons have batteries of any kind? 23:43 ciwolsey to store power from solar panels? 23:43 jin_xi that sounds more like whats in the technic mod 23:44 kaeza ciwolsey, no, mesecons are digital signals 23:44 ciwolsey ah so just like redstone? 23:44 ciwolsey is there anything like... 23:44 ciwolsey im not sure what mod it is 23:44 ciwolsey but where you can generate power, store it etc 23:44 ciwolsey like solar panels in tekkit lite 23:45 ciwolsey and mse 23:45 kaeza what jin_xi said 23:45 ciwolsey oh missed that, sorry, thanks! 23:45 kaeza use technic. it has "real" electricity 23:58 Bratmon Technic is very analogous to tekkt. 23:59 ciwolsey yup just looking at it 23:59 ciwolsey are there any complete texture packs? 23:59 ciwolsey that make things look better?