Time Nick Message 00:25 exio4 whatever 00:25 exio4 > what kind of simple problem I could write that interacts with the user in a dumb way (reading from console) and does something fancy? 00:26 exio4 was thinking a RPN evaluator 00:27 VanessaE how about a music composer/tracker? 00:27 VanessaE using mesecons' nodeblocks for output. :) 00:28 exio4 I mean, I am learning F# and need some fancy apps for getting used to its syntax 00:30 exio4 what the hell 00:30 exio4 firefox had a serious mem leak 00:33 VanessaE this is news? :P 00:34 exio4 I added the word "serious" 00:34 exio4 it was using 400 mb 00:34 exio4 then I opened a page 00:34 exio4 computer dead, "HTML5 Parser" used five GB of ram in a few seconds 00:45 zat am I the only one feeling that the formspecs in minetest are terrribly cumbersome and unsexy? 00:46 exio4 a good replacement? 00:46 exio4 anything else is equally shitty but mainstream 00:47 zat I cant think of anything better since I know nothing about alternatives lol 00:50 exio4 zat, there isn't anything good when it comes to UIs 00:50 exio4 it is like politics, you don't go for the good politician, you go for the one who looks less-sucky 00:50 exio4 sometimes that decision is wrong, and they are actually worse than whatever you had before 00:51 zat xix 00:51 zat kik 00:54 exio4 hmm 00:56 zat how about something that can be styled with CSS? 00:56 zat :P 00:56 exio4 HTML all the way, and XML 00:56 exio4 and while you are it add Java suppoert 00:56 exio4 support* 00:56 zat nah no 00:57 zat I know... how about Qt? 01:07 exio4 zat, isn't nodejs' npm known for fucking up dependencies? 01:07 exio4 by being too "non-strict"? 01:07 exio4 (allowing things that won't even run to get installed) 01:08 zat exio4: known by who? 01:10 exio4 well, true 01:10 exio4 I don't have any link right now 01:10 exio4 but I mean that isn't strict in allowing nonsense things to install 01:11 zat exio4: I dont see how the working state of a dependency has anything to do with the manager, the package manager only cares about bringing the deps 01:12 exio4 dependencies can change, and not allowing non-compatible versions of dependencies is a thing that the package manager has to deal with 01:13 zat npm can deal even with versions 01:14 zat a lot of propaganda against npm you can find by php and python fanboys though 01:14 zat npm and nodejs I mean 01:15 exio4 well 01:15 exio4 of JS, PHP and Python, the only ok language is JS 01:17 zat G auodd 01:17 zat I agree 01:18 exio4 :D 01:18 exio4 do you know Haskell? 01:18 zat only heard of it 01:18 exio4 :( 01:19 exio4 any functional lang? 01:19 zat I just code C, C++, JS and Lua. 01:19 zat anly* 01:19 zat only* 01:21 exio4 learn some haskell for a great good 01:23 zat what can I do with it that I cant with the languages I already know? 01:23 zat there must be something to gain in order to decide to learn a language 01:24 exio4 zat, brainfuck is turing complete too 01:24 exio4 you can do anything with it! 01:25 exio4 that doesn't make it useful, anyway, for haskell, most points are "it is functional" 01:25 exio4 it has a different evaluation scheme compared to most languages (it is lazy), so it makes you think in a different way 01:26 exio4 it is also pure, you can't have _side_ effects around, a function that has effect has them in an explicit manner 01:26 exio4 its type system is really expressive, lots of things that don't make sense wouldn't even compile, it doesn't have a null either 01:27 exio4 it has an _specific_ type for representing "things that can have no value" (Maybe) 01:28 exio4 all of this make it very declarative, you write at a really high-level, there are no loops, for example! 01:28 zat undefined? 01:28 zat lol 01:28 exio4 everything is recursive 01:28 exio4 zat, yeah, like js's undefined, lua's nil, C's NULL, C++, well, C's NULL + C++'s hipster version 01:28 zat I'll take a look at it if you point me to a good tutorial 01:29 exio4 a "recommended path" is in https://github.com/bitemyapp/learnhaskell; 01:29 exio4 I started with http://learnyouahaskell.com/, for what it is worth, and lots of people recommend it 01:29 exio4 and I also would recommend it, it is kinda good but somehow "unsound" (it is mostly for having a good time learning the stuff, it is a fun book!) 01:31 zat I hope it wont assume I dont code at all 01:31 zat because those tutorials are the worst 01:31 exio4 nah 01:32 exio4 most tutorials in the HS world are "you are a programmer that knows Ruby, Java, Brainfuck, PHP, Python, or COBOL, and want to start with Haskell" 04:04 VanessaE http://soylentnews.org/article.pl?sid=14/12/04/1838242 04:32 n4x isn't 0x10 = 17? 04:32 n4x uhh 04:32 n4x starting from 1 04:34 n4x base16, 16 is obviously x10 04:34 n4x should sleep 04:35 Zeno` :) 04:36 Zeno` 1 2 4 8 10 20 40 80 etc 04:36 n4x yes 04:36 n4x I just did 1,2,4,8,16,32, and went, 16 = F, 32 = 2F and was like uhh wait 04:36 Zeno` I usually write bit flags as (1U << 0), (1U << 1), (1U << 2) ... etc 04:36 Zeno` just because 04:37 n4x bit flags are kinda of nasty 04:37 Zeno` nah, they're very useful :P 04:37 n4x they aren't type safe 04:37 Zeno` they don't need to be :) 04:37 n4x ADTs Zeno`, ADTs 04:38 n4x the lack of type-safety, after playing with crazy languages with awesome typesystems, makes me be way more defensive 04:38 Zeno` Here's another use where bit twiddling is useful: https://github.com/Zeno-/snippets/blob/master/Esieve.c 04:38 n4x hiding the bytes and bits sould like a nice thing to do though 04:39 n4x refactoring with ADTs is beautiful though 04:39 Zeno` n4x, well C and C++ do have bitfields that don't require ANDs and ORs and XORs and such 04:39 LazyJ I'm not able to access some of the forum pages of Minetest.net Forums. Has something gone wrong at that end or is it something on my end? 04:39 Zeno` n4x, here is an ADT for you https://github.com/Zeno-/snippets/tree/master/rand 04:39 kahrl LazyJ: works here 04:39 kahrl try clearing your DNS cache 04:40 Zeno` LazyJ, there was a DNS update yesterday or the day before 04:40 n4x ADT as 4Algebraic 4Data 4Type? 04:40 Zeno` TTL for the site's DNS is 24 hours (!) so maybe things still haven't settled down 04:40 LazyJ Noob question... How do I clear the DNS cache on Firefox? 04:40 Zeno` n4x, oh, I normally refer to ADTs as Abstract Data Types 04:41 n4x should have guessed 04:41 Zeno` Well, that is normally what ADT refers to :P 04:41 n4x algebraic data types are basically discriminated unions + enums + "structs" 04:41 n4x Zeno`: they refer to both, and lead to confusing when the context isn't enough 04:41 Zeno` interesting 04:41 n4x example of ADT: 04:42 n4x data Expr = Lit Int | Add Expr Expr | Product Expr Expr | Negate Expr 04:42 n4x a function that evaluates that tree, would use pattern matching 04:42 kahrl LazyJ: depends on the OS 04:42 Zeno` oh, ok. I didn't know that was called ADT as well 04:43 Zeno` I am familiar with what you're saying though 04:43 n4x eval (Lit n) = n; eval (Add n m) = eval n + eval m; eval (Product n m) = eval n * eval m; eval (Negate n) = -(eval n) 04:43 LazyJ Ok, thanks, kahrl. I'm Googling for the answer to my specific setup. 04:43 ProXavi 0-0 computer super smart ppl r still up 04:46 LazyJ Found the answer, did the steps, and now instead of a "404 Not Found" I get a "403 Forbidden". Phttt. 04:47 ProXavi Lol 04:47 kahrl well in that case it's probably not a DNS error 04:47 n4x algebraic datatypes are crazy though 04:47 n4x because you lift some specs of the problem to the type system 04:48 LazyJ Sorry I can't provide better info from my end. I'll just wait it out. At least some pages are accessible. 04:48 LazyJ I can work my way around through them. 04:50 exio4 GADTs are a step closer to dep typing 04:52 LazyJ Ooo... minetest.net can't be trusted. What acts of sedition have you guys done now? :0)- 04:55 LazyJ "This Connection is Untrusted. You have asked Firefox to connect securely to minetest.net, but we can't confirm that your connection is secure. Normally, when you try to connect securely, sites will present trusted identification to prove that you are going to the right place. However, this site's identity can't be verified. If you usually connect to this site without problems, this error could mean that someone is trying to 04:55 LazyJ impersonate the site, and you shouldn't continue."... so sayeth Firefox. 04:56 LazyJ Since "http://minetest.net/forum" wasn't cooperating but the "https" pages were, I tried "https://minetest.net/forum" and that warning popped up. 04:57 ProXavi Web proxy 04:57 ProXavi Try in a website web proxy 04:57 kahrl the certificate is for metacrane.com which is another one of c55's projects 04:57 LazyJ Ah... then I just noticed that the URL was turned around. 04:57 LazyJ Giving that a shot next. 04:58 LazyJ Ok, this monkey smashed the keyboard enough times to get it right. 04:59 LazyJ Some of my Minetest forum bookmarks must be really old. They are still pointing to minetest.net/forum instead of forum/minetest.net. 05:01 TriBlade9 forum.minetest.net? 05:01 LazyJ * forum.minest.net 05:01 LazyJ * forum.minetest.net 05:01 LazyJ (third time's a charm) 05:12 TriBlade9 *the charm 05:29 LazyJ I noticed a size increase of the Minetest engine download, up from 5.8mb (zipped) to 9.6mb. What was the big addition? 05:30 LazyJ ...and what does it do? 05:53 Zeno` fonts 05:55 Zeno` and they do what fonts do 05:55 Zeno` draw pretty symbols on the screen and stuff 05:59 LazyJ Did the font improvement also include increasing the size of the player names above their avatar? 06:00 LazyJ I'm still getting things sorted on my computer before I can compile the latest GitHub release. 06:01 LazyJ Otherwise I'd fire-up Minetest and find out. 06:08 Zeno` I don't think it did 06:08 Zeno` I haven't specifically looked though 06:08 MinetestBot 02[git] 04SmallJoker -> 03minetest/minetest: Fix MSVC build 13769650d http://git.io/Q3a3AA (152014-12-05T16:07:28+10:00) 06:10 MinetestBot 02[git] 04SmallJoker -> 03minetest/minetest: Fix MSVC build 135da6896 http://git.io/FZjxoA (152014-12-05T16:09:53+10:00) 06:10 Zeno` the bot is stuttering 06:11 Zeno` >.> 06:11 LazyJ Anymore GitHub updates coming within the next hour? Since about at a point where I can compile it, I'd rather hold-off if there are a few more coming. 06:12 LazyJ * Since I'm about at a stopping point... 06:13 Zeno` LazyJ, only one that I know of 06:13 Zeno` and that will happen in about 30 seconds 06:14 LazyJ Ok, thanks. ;) 06:14 Zeno` you'd have to ask the other devs if there are commits they're likely to merge though 06:14 LazyJ Ah... not a huge deal. 06:15 LazyJ There have been more than a few times when I've set my computer to compiling Minetest and updates appear in the meantime. 06:15 LazyJ Stop, backup, start-over. 06:17 Zeno` mine has been merged... no idea why the bot didn't speak 06:17 MinetestBot 02[git] 04Zeno- -> 03minetest/minetest: Add name of node 'pointed at' to debug 130e78aa2 http://git.io/qU-Fsw (152014-12-05T16:14:50+10:00) 06:18 Zeno` oh there it goes 06:18 Zeno` slow poke 06:18 LazyJ Hehehe... 06:18 LazyJ I've had a few chat conversations go like that. 06:18 Zeno` I've had a few conversations with myself like that 06:19 LazyJ Ingame chat, at times, can be several lines ahead of my IRC client. Get enough of those and conversations get even more awkward. ;) 06:20 LazyJ Thanks to you and crew for keeping Minetest going. ;) 06:33 sfan5 Zeno`: notice the diff. between the times, the commit hashes and the short links 06:35 Zeno` sfan5 ? 06:36 Zeno` Oh you mean the bot stuttering? 06:36 Zeno` That was me rewriting history :) 06:36 Zeno` the stuttering was a joke which is what I meant to imply by ">.>" ... I was obviously too subtle 06:39 sfan5 oh 06:39 sfan5 try ;) next time 06:49 ThatGraemeGuy nice addition to the debug info Zeno` 06:50 ThatGraemeGuy almost making Sokomine's inspection tool redundant 06:50 ThatGraemeGuy :-) 07:00 Zeno` :) 07:00 Zeno` I'm sure Sokomine won't be toooo disappointed heh 07:01 Zeno` That's not really my addition by the way... rubenwardy wrote it but when I refactored the_game() it broke his PR. So I just fixed it up 07:01 ThatGraemeGuy the tool shows position, friendly name and protection status too 07:01 ThatGraemeGuy ah right 07:01 Zeno` I should have changed the author name I guess, but I did credit him in the commit message and he also commented on the thread so *shrug* 07:02 Zeno` I'm not 100% sure about the .png name of the tile 07:02 Zeno` is that useful? 07:03 Zeno` rubenwardy must have thought so, so I left it there 07:03 ThatGraemeGuy meh, I'm sure he's fine with it. I can think of a few people who might have a hissy fit, but he isn't one of them I'm sure :) 07:03 Zeno` We chatted; he's cool. He closed his PR after the_game() changed and it seemed a pity to lose his work for something that many people gave a thumbs up to 07:05 ThatGraemeGuy not sure how useful the tile is especially considering it seems inconsistent which image it chooses to report 07:06 LazyJ Zeno`, would you be able to get minetest.rotate_and_place to also record in the logs who placed what and when? 07:06 Zeno` it reports the bottom image 07:06 ThatGraemeGuy e.g. a gold locked chest from technic it reports the name of the top tile but pipeworks' trashcan reports the bottom 07:06 Zeno` ThatGraemeGuy, hmm.. it should always report the bottom but who knows :) 07:06 Zeno` LazyJ, I'm not sure what you mean 07:07 ThatGraemeGuy http://i.imgur.com/hCIbHGg.png 07:07 Zeno` hmm, is that part of builtin Lua? 07:08 Zeno` ThatGraemeGuy, you've discovered a new feature! 07:08 LazyJ One of the administrative problems we have, dealing with griefers and proof of build ownership on our server, has been when nodes that use minetest.rotate_and_place are not recorded in the logs. 07:08 LazyJ This is used by MoreBlocks and HomeDecor. 07:09 Calinou today I realized that 2 days ago, Quake 3 Arena turned 15 07:09 Zeno` LazyJ, I'm the first to admit I'm not great with Lua. Perhaps kaeza could help? 07:09 LazyJ Ah. 07:09 Calinou hi 07:09 Zeno` LazyJ, I'll have a look at the C++ side of that Lua function though ;) 07:09 LazyJ One of our methods for resolving disputes is to check the logs to see who placed the node and when. 07:10 Zeno` ThatGraemeGuy, is your font intentionally small? 07:10 LazyJ But with several node from MoreBlocks and HomeDecor, that use minetest.rotat_and_place, that information is not recorded in the logs. 07:11 Zeno` LazyJ, I'll definitely look at how it's done and see if I can do anything (can't promise though) 07:11 LazyJ I know you said Lua wasn't your forte', Zeno`, but I saw Calinou pop in and thought I'd explain a bit. 07:11 LazyJ Ok, thanks. 07:11 Zeno` ahh ok, yes Calinou can help as well I imagine :) 07:11 LazyJ Yeah, I know promising anything can be hazardous with Minetest. ;) 07:11 Calinou I'm not a Lua pro, but you can explain 07:13 LazyJ Hopefully I won't get kicked out of the channel for pasting again, so here goes... from a moment ago: 07:13 LazyJ One of the administrative problems we have, dealing with griefers and proof of build ownership on our server, has been when nodes that use minetest.rotate_and_place are not recorded in the logs. 07:13 LazyJ But with several node from MoreBlocks and HomeDecor, that use minetest.rotat_and_place, that information is not recorded in the logs 07:13 LazyJ ... and that was about it. 07:14 LazyJ Rollback doesn't keep track of months of data. 07:14 LazyJ So that is only good for stuff placed within the past week or so. 07:15 LazyJ So if shingles or microblocks go missing from builds a couple months old, there is no way to determine who place the node (ownership). 07:16 LazyJ When the node is dug, that is recorded. 07:16 LazyJ If the digger matches the placer - no problem, it's their build. 07:16 LazyJ If not, then we have a griefer. 07:17 ThatGraemeGuy Zeno`: font size is set to 13, not sure why it appears so tiny 07:17 yang2003 hello can i learn about standalone mode 07:17 Calinou is there any build that uses only minetest.rotate_and_place nodes? 07:17 LazyJ Some instances require a bit more background check, so I grep the logs by the coord's of the node. 07:17 Calinou ThatGraemeGuy, font size setting is ignored now 07:17 Calinou formspecs are too large, GUI is too small… 07:17 Calinou hotbar size doesn't change anymore 07:17 VanessaE font sizes were re-fixed in current git I thought? 07:18 * VanessaE looks at Zeno` 07:18 ThatGraemeGuy ah well in that case Zeno`, my font size is out of my control apparently 07:18 yang2003 hello can i learn about standalone mode 07:18 LazyJ No builds exclusively use minetest.rotate_and_place nodes, which is not a problem if the build was created by a single player. However, we have a lot of collaborative builds. 07:18 VanessaE yang2003: what do you want to know about it? ("singleplayer" we call it) 07:19 yang2003 standalone mode 07:20 VanessaE can you be more specific? 07:20 Zeno` err, I dunno. That's why I was asking VanessaE :) 07:20 LazyJ When I see suspicious activity in the real-time logs, I copy the coords of a node and grep the log archives to find out who placed the node. 07:20 ThatGraemeGuy Zeno`, Calinou, VanessaE: I commented out the font size stuff in my minetest.conf and now it looks normal again. Not sure what the expected behaviour ought to be, seems to be some disagreement above 07:21 ThatGraemeGuy but that font did seem very tiny for "13" at any rate 07:21 Zeno` ThatGraemeGuy, there have been a few font changes in the last week and there are possibly still wrinkles to iron out 07:21 VanessaE ThatGraemeGuy: well the font size has been adjusted a bit in that it takes a larger value to get the same size as what you might have had before; for me, what was 17 now is 23. 07:21 LazyJ If there is a match, no problem. If not, then I may have a griefer active on my server but... if the nodes are of the minetest.rotate_and_place sort, I have no way of knowing who place the nodes. 07:21 yang2003 how to find out the standalone mode in pc 07:22 Zeno` VanessaE, I've noticed the same. But I've also noticed the same on KDE (compared to Gnome) 07:22 VanessaE yang2003: Minetest's "standalone" mode is the "Singleplayer" tab. just click on that, create a new world, and double-click the world in the list. 07:22 LazyJ A lot of my administration work, when dealing with player issues, is done through the logs. 07:22 yang2003 ok thanks for helping 07:22 VanessaE yang2003: no problem. also bear in mind that mods you download only work in singleplayer/standalone mode 07:23 VanessaE mods you download will not work on servers as they will supply the assets and run the code on their own, for you. 07:23 LazyJ So information that shows who, what, when, and where makes the task easier and the proof of activity more concrete. 07:23 LazyJ Ok, done typing. 07:24 Calinou can you use Git to hard-reset a single file? 07:25 VanessaE good question. 07:25 ThatGraemeGuy http://stackoverflow.com/questions/7147270/how-can-i-make-an-hard-reset-of-a-single-file 07:26 Calinou I deleted the file 07:26 ThatGraemeGuy http://stackoverflow.com/questions/953481/restore-a-deleted-file-in-a-git-repo 07:26 ThatGraemeGuy I could do this all day :-D 07:26 Calinou http://stackoverflow.com/questions/6561142/difference-between-git-checkout-filename-and-git-checkout-filename/6561160#6561160 07:26 Calinou today I learned 07:28 Calinou cool, my change was merged! larger dropped items that also rotate faster 07:28 Zeno` yes, I thought that was a good idea 07:28 Zeno` I can find the pesky things now 07:29 Zeno` hehe 07:29 LazyJ Aye, I'm looking forward to the larger dropped items too. 07:30 ThatGraemeGuy weird thing, I set up some quarries yesterday, then signed off. when I joined this morning they'd already dug a huge chunk 07:30 LazyJ Finding them and targeting them have been chore, especially when the lag is high. 07:30 ThatGraemeGuy about 2 hours worth of quarrying 07:39 Calinou I used to dig quarries by hand 07:39 Calinou now I just branch-mine – way better for ores, gets you enough cobble 07:39 Calinou -260 is best altitude 07:41 ThatGraemeGuy i discard cobble from quarries anyway, I get plenty from manual mining 07:49 ThatGraemeGuy quarries are perfect for just leaving the client running in the background at work all day. 08:00 Calinou be sure to open menu, to limit FPS 08:00 Calinou (and thus reduce resource usage) 08:03 ThatGraemeGuy yup 08:04 ThatGraemeGuy sometimes i have to kill the client because it leaks memory a bit, but today doesn't seem to be one of those days 08:04 ThatGraemeGuy 1.5GB now, sometimes i keeps growing gradually until my laptop grinds to a near halt when it gets to about 5.5GB used :-/ 08:04 Calinou mine used 3,381 MB 08:05 VanessaE ThatGraemeGuy: you mean like this? http://digitalaudioconcepts.com/vanessa/hobbies/minetest/stats.html 08:05 VanessaE (second graph, the blue part) 08:06 ThatGraemeGuy yup 08:07 ThatGraemeGuy I've been meaning to graph it I just haven't bothered yet 08:08 kaeza Zeno`, I think the [feature] is in C++; set_node() and friends don't save to rollback or something like that 08:09 kaeza (rotate and place uses set_node internally, thus the [feature]) 08:09 Zeno` Ok, I'll certainly look then 08:10 kaeza probably because there's no concept of "current player" in set_node, I guess 08:12 LazyJ Thanks, Zeno` and kaeza ;) 08:13 kaeza related to item entities, there are some cases where it's very hard to hit an entity when it is too close to a node 08:13 Calinou bye 08:13 kaeza LazyJ, sure :) 09:09 Zeno` Megaf_, when you're back can you link me to your massif data again please? 09:10 Zeno` I have some leads on what *may* be a leak but nothing particularly compelling yet 09:14 JamesTait Good morning all; happy Friday, and happy World Soil Day! :-D 11:09 Zeno` happy Soil Day! 11:09 catninja That sounds dirty 11:12 Zeno` happy birthday, catninja! 11:39 catninja Zeno`: you are confusing me xD 11:49 Zeno` I tend to do that 11:51 catninja as long as you are not rude you can be as confusing as you want 11:53 catninja Btw does anyone know if there is some kind of sport event out in the "regular" world? 11:53 catninja Guys have been shouting in the apartment under us for some days now 12:41 Jordach where art thou krock 12:42 Zeno` Switzerland 12:42 Jordach funny 12:42 exio4 hi \o 12:48 exio4 http://contemporary-home-computing.org/turing-complete-user/ 13:10 Jordach i fould the worlds smallest snow biome 13:10 Jordach https://cdn.mediacru.sh/wDjRXo7yWohQ.png 13:10 Jordach found* 13:11 Jordach realbadangel, this commit fixes everythibg 13:11 Jordach https://cdn.mediacru.sh/RROEUJ4f0pNq.png 13:23 * twoelk thought 42 was the answer to everything 13:24 Jordach player statues and meshnode stairs no longer look like crap with facedir 0 13:37 someguy_irc I just found about Terasology . 13:37 someguy_irc looks like minecraft. 13:37 marktraceur Sigh. 13:38 someguy_irc I mean really. 13:38 marktraceur Just figured out that forceload hasn't been working for about half a day 13:38 someguy_irc not like minetest at all. 13:38 marktraceur Not sure why. 13:38 someguy_irc sup marktraceur 13:38 marktraceur Hi someguy_irc 13:41 marktraceur It looks like the blocks are stored in the json...and actually, it looks like some of the blocks are force loaded...maybe the latest ones aren't stored correctly or something 13:55 * Jordach pokes Sokomine 14:03 Jordach realbadangel, can you create a piece of examlple where multiple meshnodes are used for torchlike 14:03 catninja Help please! I'm making a mod with coloured signs for a town, have I missed something important? 14:03 catninja http://mimika.se/2014/12/signs-picture-edition/ 14:04 Jordach nope 14:04 Jordach maybe a florists? 14:04 marktraceur catninja: Sheriffs! 14:04 catninja smith, bakery, weapon shop, medic, potion, horses, tavern, seamstress, library (and soon an inn) 14:05 marktraceur catninja: Is the scissors sign for the seamstress? I would have guessed barber. 14:05 catninja hm good point, maybe that should be a shirt or a hat instead 14:06 catninja marktraceur: like a jail sign? 14:06 marktraceur catninja: Or a badge, maybe 14:06 marktraceur catninja: Maybe it could just be a part of town hall (though maybe you want a sign for that?) 14:07 catninja I was thinking of adding something like a crown 14:08 marktraceur catninja: Also, something like a hardware store maybe? I guess a smith could probably accomplish most of that, but lumber? 14:08 marktraceur I haven't lived in a town like this for ages. 14:09 catninja haha they are supposed to fit into the lord of the test world anyway 14:09 marktraceur (yes I'm going, yes I'm going, I'm going to the, I'm going yes I'm going to the hardwaaaare stoooooore) 14:09 catninja so maybe not a town you have lived in at all 14:09 marktraceur catninja: Indeed. 14:13 Wayward_One marktraceur: Weird Al! \o/ 14:15 marktraceur Wayward_One: My favorite moment in life is still when one of the Wikimedia board members sang "White and Nerdy" at karaoke (with the lyric "I EDIT WIKIPEDIA!") 14:16 Zeno` we should get a minetest dev to sing it 14:17 Wayward_One marktraceur: Haha, that's awesome! :D 14:17 Wayward_One Heh, good idea Zeno` :P 14:36 catninja If I make a jail sign with handcuffs that can double as the marker for "adult activities" 14:37 catninja yes good idea cat 14:37 Jordach what the fuck 14:37 Jordach WHAT THE FUCK 14:38 Jordach why is the hearts, hunger level, craftitem images and tool images distorted 14:38 catninja Jordach: where? 14:38 Jordach catninja, any subgame using 16x textures 14:40 catninja that does not make any sense o.O 14:40 ninnghazad wasn't somebody fixing fixes about ui-scale yesterday? 14:40 Jordach which did jack shit 14:41 kaeza somebody will then fix the fix's fix 14:41 marktraceur The fix's fix's fix is in. 14:42 marktraceur GOD, "fix" is such a weird word 14:42 marktraceur fix fix fix. 14:42 Zeno` what's wrong with the UI font scale in formspecs now? 14:42 Jordach https://cdn.mediacru.sh/pFEHzIgVG8N9.png 14:42 Jordach it's not font scale, but image scaling 14:42 kaeza marktraceur, english is a weird language. it fix... er... fits 14:43 marktraceur Heh. 14:43 Zeno` I think the images are scaled according to font size 14:43 Zeno` don't ask why 14:43 Jordach the incompetance is over 9000 14:44 Zeno` settle down! I gave you an extra 20-60 fps didn't I? :p 14:44 Zeno` there is an open issue actually 14:45 Zeno` it's labelled as a bug and not a bug 14:45 Zeno` https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/1897 <-- that one 14:45 Zeno` maybe it's related to that? 14:47 Zeno` the fix I made yesterday related to UI scale was more related to fonts 14:47 Zeno` ^ ninnghazad 14:48 Jordach fix yer brokeass shit 14:48 Zeno` *my* brokeass shit? 14:48 ninnghazad did'nt want to pin that on you, just remembered fixes around scaling. as i have it you where just fixing somebody others commit anywho 14:49 ninnghazad sapier's, was it? 14:49 Jordach we should scrap android support 14:49 Zeno` who knows. All I'm saying is it's not my broken shit ;) 14:50 Jordach probably sapiers "android" fixes which usually breaks everything 14:53 Zeno` sapier is an excellent programmer. Cross-platform stuff, though, is hard 14:54 Zeno` I dunno 14:54 Zeno` Maybe the source code needs restructuring 14:55 Zeno` Anyway, if the HUD issue is not already an issue (hah! I mean in the issues on github) please make one 14:55 Zeno` Someone will fix it 14:56 ninnghazad https://github.com/minetest/minetest/commit/d1d6a97b1cd05ec34358b6519fc232fc158cf521 this could have caused it, seems to be last change fiddling with icon-sizes and stuff 14:56 Zeno` ninnghazad, that is the commit where I reverted the resizing of the font based on dialog(formspec) size 14:57 Zeno` Maybe the HUD issue is related as well 14:57 jin_xi hm if images are scaled with fonts and you changed font size images will be changed too 14:58 Zeno` jin_xi, I reverted the font scaling based on the geometry of the formspec 14:58 Zeno` Because text was overlapping and crazy stuff 14:58 Zeno` but I didn't look at HUD 14:58 Zeno` so, yeah, it's likely to be related 14:59 Zeno` But confirmation would be good; i.e. which commit started the issues with the HUD? 15:00 Zeno` not related to my revert though ;) 15:01 PenguinDad Zeno`: restructuring the source code once again? :P 15:01 Zeno` PenguinDad, not this month! 15:01 exio4 refactoring is the answer 15:01 Zeno` no way jose! 15:01 Zeno` after 0.4.11... maybe :) 15:01 ninnghazad refactor to singularity ftw 15:02 * PenguinDad looks around confusedly 15:02 Zeno` PenguinDad, you may have to look at the logs :P 15:03 PenguinDad Zeno`: I just don't know jose :/ 15:03 Zeno` Anyway, Jordach, in your report make sure to include screenshots (before and after would be best). A bonus would be the commit hash where the issue started occurring 15:03 Zeno` PenguinDad, jose is you 15:04 Zeno` It's my new pet name for you 15:04 exio4 you're jose, we all are jose 15:04 Zeno` As of... hmmm.. 75 secons ago 15:04 PenguinDad [jose] (jose@ubuntu/member/jose): José Antonio Rey 15:05 PenguinDad lol 15:05 * Zeno` looks at PenguinDad 15:05 Zeno` can I be frank? 15:06 jin_xi surely 15:06 Zeno` yay! 15:06 Zeno` I've always wanted to be called frank 15:07 Ol`BlueEyes I did it my way! 15:07 * GhostDoge licks Ol`BlueEyes 15:07 Ol`BlueEyes oh yuck! 15:07 Ol`BlueEyes yuck yuck yuck 15:08 \er there. Much better 15:08 \er I still have blue eyes though 15:08 \er except in real life they're brown 15:18 \er Jordach, I removed the "not a bug" label 15:19 \er my gut feeling is that is *is* a bug 15:19 \er I can't imagine it being intended behaviour 15:21 marktraceur GhostDoge: Don't lick people's eyes, that's how pink eye starts 15:21 marktraceur CHRIST. 15:22 * GhostDoge barks happily at marktraceur 15:22 \ex >:3 15:22 * sfan5 meows at ex 15:22 \ex \er vs \ex 15:23 \ex \ex vs \er 15:23 \er that might be confusing :( 15:23 * catninja meows at sfan5 15:23 * sfan5 purrs 15:23 * \er gives up and curls up in sfan5's lap 15:23 * sfan5 snuggles er 15:23 \ex that was the idea 15:23 \er *purr* 15:24 K1ra whatever 15:24 * GhostDoge wgets up to K1ra's lap 15:24 Jordach erm 15:25 Jordach Zenie: my video of showing off the bad looking models with facedir 0 have perfect UI image scaling 15:25 catninja Jordach: cats have needs sweetie 15:26 \er zenie is not here 15:26 \er and only chubbs can call me that... grrr 15:26 \er but it seems everybody does these days *sigh* 15:27 catninja \er: ? 15:27 \er catninja, long story 15:27 Jordach oh zenie 15:28 \er lmao 15:29 GhostDoge ayy lmao 15:29 Jordach \er, i have an image that was taken yesterday of the old scaling: https://cdn.mediacru.sh/gJco1D9LtICN.png 15:29 Jordach look at the first item on the hotbar 15:30 Jordach no odd scaled pixels 15:30 Jordach (this commit was when mgv5 got added) 15:42 \er Jordach, have you added it to the issue? 15:42 \er I'd look but I am listening to one of the world's greatest live acts: Queen 15:44 Zeno` I never used to like Queen, but... they're seriously good 15:44 marktraceur God save them. 15:45 Jordach Sokomine, you'd like the triple stairs 15:46 sfan5 Zeno`: any idea why this happens? https://travis-ci.org/sfan5/minetest/jobs/43106791#L400 15:46 Jordach marktraceur, instead of crafting 2 step stairs in BFD, you get stairs with three steps, matching the design of the crafting shape 15:47 marktraceur Jordach: Neat! 15:49 Jordach they even fit G4JC's wood textures from the old Minetest Game 15:50 Jordach https://cdn.mediacru.sh/27BAPSeQv6wZ.png 15:51 Zeno` sfan5, where's the PR? 15:51 sfan5 Zeno`: there is no pr 15:51 sfan5 Zeno`: I didn't change anything relevant: https://github.com/sfan5/minetest/compare/travis_win 15:55 Zeno` is this a cross-compile/ 15:55 Zeno` ? 15:56 sfan5 no 15:57 sfan5 it's the perfectly normal clang build 16:02 Zeno` I have no idea sorry 16:03 Zeno` does using clang++ work? 16:05 sfan5 Zeno`: CXX is clang++ https://travis-ci.org/sfan5/minetest/jobs/43106791#L20 16:06 Zeno` oh 16:22 Xack Calinou: hi! :D 16:35 Calinou hi Xack 16:35 Calinou you can join the server? 16:36 Xack ah, yes i can 16:37 Xack connecting 16:39 Xack gah, minetest on a USB stick is always horrible 16:39 Xack takes ages to download everything 16:39 Xack *anything on a USB stick 16:39 Xack brb 16:40 marktraceur "Doctor, it hurts when I punch myself in the face" 16:40 ElectronLibre (Nothing anormal in that.) 16:44 Calinou Xack, get a better USB stick :P 16:44 Calinou larger ones have faster write speeds in general 16:44 Calinou but some are simply better than others… generally the more expensive ones, and certainly not the corporate-branded ones 16:45 Xack perhaps i'll get three more like last christmas xD 16:49 Jordach realbadangel, you here 16:49 marktraceur He seems to be. 16:50 * GhostDoge is laughing so hard at facebook right now 17:01 Xack oops forgot 17:01 Xack ehm, Calinou 17:01 Xack i don't understand French ;-; 17:02 Calinou Xack, my house has French / English signs :P 17:03 * Krock throws German at Cal 17:03 Krock +inou 17:03 Xack damn 17:03 Xack Calinou: i'll play in a bit, or tomorrow 17:03 Xack need to revise for exams 17:04 Xack :( 17:04 Xack sry 17:04 Calinou OK, good luck 17:06 STHGOM !online Amaz 17:06 * Jordach pets Calinou 17:06 * Krock throws user list at STHGOM 17:07 STHGOM is there a command for seeing when someone was last online? 17:07 GhostDoge !seen Amaz 17:07 MinetestBot GhostDoge: amaz was last seen at 2014-11-20 21:03:42 UTC on #minetest 17:08 GhostDoge ^ STHGOM isn't this Amaz-ing :P 17:09 STHGOM does any1 know if he has a server? 17:14 Krock sfan5! MintestBot! 17:14 Krock I'll miss ya both. 17:14 Xack rip 17:14 Krock rest in pancakes 17:14 GhostDoge rip in peace 17:15 ElectronLibre_ Rest In Pizza yes.. :'( 17:15 Krock https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0UWb5ps7wkw 17:15 STHGOM Ram Into People 17:29 rubenwardy Hi all! 17:30 rubenwardy I think that Minetest should add MS paperclip, to give a hand to new players 17:31 GhostDoge rubenwardy: double handed digging for new players? :P 17:31 rubenwardy Huh? 17:31 rubenwardy oh 17:31 rubenwardy :P 17:35 twoelk If we had a -Minetest for Dummies- section we could rename that to Minetest for Minecrafters 17:36 Calinou hi rubenwardy 17:43 realbadangel Jordach, now im here 17:43 Jordach realbadangel, can you maked code for a torch like meshnode 17:43 realbadangel gimme a model 17:44 realbadangel by now i made extruded torches 17:44 realbadangel this has some advantages, works fine with all the old textures 17:45 shadowzone Where is the textures for the sky located or does it not exist? 17:46 Jordach realbadangel, i only need code 17:46 Jordach i just want three positions: ceiling mounted, wallmounted and on floor 17:47 realbadangel torchlike is hardcoded drawtype 17:47 realbadangel i need a model to be able to test it 18:02 Calinou wallmounted meshnodes 18:02 Calinou or wallmounted nodeboxes (what Carbone does) 18:15 hydalgo hello! how I can spawn an arbitrary number of entities using spawnentities? 18:20 Jordach realbadangel, you said you could use a different mesh depending on where it was placed 18:23 CWz the http://servers.minetest.net/ seem not work. 18:25 ElectronLibre It happends quite often yes, nothing unusual.. :/ 18:25 sfan5 CWz: RAID failure, will be back up soon 18:37 Krock !tell sapier animalsmod.bplaced.net is down and the images on your mobs thread are lost. Could you please re-add them? Thank you! 18:37 Krock ShadowBot: help tell 18:37 ShadowBot Krock: (tell ) -- Tells the next time is seen. can contain wildcard characters, and the first matching nick will be given the note. 18:38 Krock ShadowBot: tell sapier animalsmod.bplaced.net is down and the images on your mobs thread are lost. Could you please re-add them? Thank you! 18:38 ShadowBot Krock: O.K. 18:47 * sfan5 licks sfan5__ 18:47 VanessaE haha 18:47 sfan5 ? 18:47 VanessaE [12-05 13:50] * sfan5 licks sfan5__ 18:47 VanessaE [12-05 13:50] * sfan5__ has quit (Client Quit) 18:47 sfan5 to the person who complained about servers.minetest.net being down: it's up again 18:47 Krock sfan5, MTB pls. 18:48 sfan5 right.. 18:49 MinetestBot Krock: hi 18:49 Krock <3 MinetestBot 18:49 MinetestBot <3 Krock 18:49 Krock MinetestBot: meow! 18:49 MinetestBot Krock: meow! 18:49 Krock ^^ 18:49 * VanessaE turns the kitten generator on and points it at MinetestBot 18:49 * MinetestBot purrs 18:51 catninja meow 18:52 * GhostDoge pets MinetestBot 18:58 * ElectronLibre likes the way MinetestBot can "understand" that she has to purr in a complex sentence like VanessaE's one and cannot even send something cat-related when GhostDoge uses a simple verb like "to pet". 18:59 * Krock thinks, MTB's spirit was just afk 18:59 * Krock throws his though at ElectronLibre 19:00 Krock *thought 19:00 * ElectronLibre looks at Krock's thought. 19:01 ElectronLibre Wow, it's heavy. I give it back to you. 19:02 * Krock takes a Feuerzeug and burns down it 19:02 Krock A Feuerzeug zeugs Feuer. 19:03 * ElectronLibre set the translater on German -> English before realizing it could be great having directly German -> French. 19:04 Krock ^ 19:04 ElectronLibre A flamethrower so. 19:05 Krock A Feuerzeug is not a Flammenwerfer. A feuerzeug zeugs Feuer and a Flammenwerfer wefs Flammen! 19:05 ElectronLibre An fire igniter? 19:05 Krock http://i0.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/007/168/flamenwerfer.jpg 19:06 ElectronLibre I've found it, a lighter! 19:06 Krock yeah 19:07 ElectronLibre I was searching the exact word but the only thing I remembered was the "Flint stone" in flint mod that we call "Briquet" (lighter) in french even if it's not ._. 19:08 Krock sounds like briquette 19:11 Krock lovely. http://knowyourmeme.com/photos/201634-this-is-a-flammenwerfer-it-werfs-flammen 19:11 ElectronLibre Actually in french the word exists to talk about a little brick (often about a little container of liquids like fruit juices). 19:12 Krock Let's make a house out of liquid containers! 19:13 ElectronLibre It's an analogy because they are very often rectangle parallelepipeds, like little bricks. 19:15 * ElectronLibre is gonna try to load a webpage. If he gets disconnected, he can ensure your you will be missing him during his disconnction period. 19:15 ElectronLibre (Or is it I will be missing you, I don't know it's a very strange verb to me ._.) 19:22 rubenwardy http://rubenwardy.github.io/ 19:22 rubenwardy Look in bottom right corner. 19:22 rubenwardy (Javascript must be enabled) 19:23 sfan5 a clippy 19:23 rubenwardy Try clicking it. 19:26 Krock rubenwardy, the page starts loading when I clicked it 19:27 rubenwardy There is a link to a youtube video on it 19:27 Krock Ah Mr. paper clip from M$ Office 19:30 ElectronLibre This is probably the most lovely paper clip I've ever seen 19:30 Krock rubenwardy, this needs multiplayer feature. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E4nAa8ldoYE 19:30 ElectronLibre !title 19:30 Krock ShadowBot: title 19:30 ShadowBot Destroyable Environment 2 - Tile Types - YouTube 19:31 rubenwardy Yes, that is planned 19:31 * ElectronLibre forgets MinetestBot dumped us. 19:31 Krock rubenwardy, nice! 19:31 Krock sfan5, MTB doesn't like #minetest today :/ 19:31 sfan5 not really 19:38 rubenwardy Changed some stuff. Now try clicking the clippy: http://rubenwardy.github.io/ 19:39 rubenwardy tl;dr: I found jQuery animate 20:10 speak Hi! I swear to god I'm going crazy. I swear I saw a topic listing changes that came out for the version 0.4.11, and that it was released late November 20:11 ElectronLibre You're not crazy, the core's devs are just a little bit late. 20:11 Krock speak, it was planned to release in the last november 20:11 speak Okay! 20:11 Krock not next year 20:11 speak I just don't know where I saw this list of changes, it is not the same list as exists in: http://dev.minetest.net/Changelog#0.4.10_.E2.86.92_.3F 20:11 Krock so, it's not clear when it actually will release. Check out the 0.4.10-dev builds 20:12 speak It was a forum topic I thought, and it had a to-the-point shortish list of the major changes 20:12 speak Alright, thank you 20:13 Krock np 20:13 speak I see one topic with images, but this topic didn't have any ( https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=18&t=10621 ) 20:16 speak And it mentioned weather 20:16 * speak is still trying to find the topic and swears it disappeared 20:17 speak And it talked about how mod developers need to enable this and that 20:17 Krock weather is not included in vanilla minetest 20:18 ElectronLibre Thanks God it is not (very laggy).. 20:19 speak Hmm interesting okay! 20:19 speak Well shit, I don't know what I thought I saw :D 20:19 speak Thanks for your help 20:19 ElectronLibre No problem, your welcome. 20:20 speak I mean it was the "minetest default game" 20:20 ElectronLibre Weather isn't either in it. 20:20 Krock https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?t=5245 20:20 ElectronLibre But I can see what your mean. 20:20 ElectronLibre *you 20:21 speak Alright! Ta Krock yeah, definitely not that topic, but I see it's a separate mod 20:30 AgentFire So what is a hammer used for? 20:30 Krock banning people 20:30 VanessaE to hammer on stuff, duh ;) 20:31 ElectronLibre Krock: Are you talking about the famous (Thor's?) ban hammer? 20:31 Krock Thor? 20:31 ElectronLibre The Nordic God, maybe I made a mistake in the translation give me 2 seconds please.. 20:32 Krock https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?t=9032 20:32 AgentFire VanessaE: Haha ;3 But, is it any more special than a pickaxe? I just don't see the special properties 20:32 VanessaE idk 20:32 VanessaE :P 20:32 VanessaE you'd have to ask whoever created that tool 20:32 VanessaE probably NekoGloop or Jordach 20:34 AgentFire Alright, well it's in the Cottages mod 20:38 VanessaE Ah, it's probably used for tool repair with the anvil then 20:38 * VanessaE pokes Sokomine 20:45 Sokomine hey! 20:45 * Sokomine feels poked 20:47 Krock hey hey 20:48 Sokomine the ban hammer and the hammer used for the anvil from my cottages mod in order to repair tools are two diffrent items :-) 22:49 r-ed- how do i create/generate a new world for a dedicated minetest-server?.. 23:03 sfan5 r-ed-: pass minetest server a --world argument 23:34 jordan4ibanez test 23:35 GhostDoge jordan4ibanez: minetest ;) 23:35 jordan4ibanez boo 23:35 jordan4ibanez Lol but thank you