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00:29 DFeniks so how does freezemelt work?
00:31 Cylus DFeniks: I'm told it doesn't.
00:32 Cylus It was added, but later mostly removed.
00:32 Cylus All that's left is a little cruft, as well as the documentation.
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00:56 zlsa Megaf, I'd tell you the answer but I don't think there is one
00:56 Megaf Thanks
00:56 Megaf maybe the answer is 42
00:57 Megaf but we don't know the question
00:57 Megaf ^ zlsa
00:57 zlsa wow, impatient :P
00:57 zlsa I don't stare at IRC waiting for replies; I'm not threaded
00:58 Megaf Me neither, but my client blinks when someone says my name
00:58 zlsa well, the question you asked _is_ part of 'everything'
00:58 zlsa so does mine
01:25 VanessaE well that's it folks, the Philae lander (on comet 67P) has fallen asleep.  out of battery power unless it gets REALLY lucky with the sun on its panels.
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01:25 VanessaE 90% success for the science they wanted to do.
01:30 proller 84 players on arm server with debug build ;)
01:31 proller VanessaE, where bug appear on your creative map ?
01:32 VanessaE proller: which bug?
01:32 proller with objects and lag
01:32 VanessaE oh that thing
01:32 VanessaE um
01:33 VanessaE mapblock (3,1,54)
01:33 VanessaE if the map is current enough, you'll see a bulldozer built out of gold blocks, with about 7 quarries at the scoop, digging a 10x30 hole.
01:34 VanessaE set a technic world anchor there or just leave a player logged in for a few hours and it should start to lag eventually
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02:20 MinetestBot [git] kwolekr -> minetest/minetest: Fix NoisePerlin3DEased return value 8831703 http://git.io/FILI0Q (2014-11-14T21:19:46-05:00)
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02:46 exio4 I may buy a thermaltake level10 gts
02:46 exio4 + a few fans
02:47 exio4 or a chaser a31 hmmm
02:51 exio4 fk it, the chaser has free shipping and looks really good
03:08 exio4 \o/
03:08 exio4 just pressed the "buy" button, now to pay it
03:09 exio4 aaaaaaand 1100 ARS remaining that I am not going to waste
03:11 exio4 http://www.thermaltake.com/pro​ducts-model.aspx?id=C_00001951
03:12 VanessaE send all your spare money to me ;)
03:12 exio4 1100 ARS is "practically" 80 USD
03:13 exio4 not a lot of money, and well, those 80 USD are going to be wasted in pizza while studying for exams
03:13 exio4 so nope :3
03:13 exio4 well, at least I am getting a decent case
03:13 VanessaE > not going to waste
03:13 VanessaE >going to be wasted in pizza
03:13 VanessaE heh
03:13 exio4 I am bipolar
03:13 exio4 or not
03:13 exio4 depending of the day
03:13 VanessaE make up my mind :P
03:13 exio4 [...]
03:14 exio4 it is just nice, but it feels a little bad to spend 3100 or 3300 ARS in stuff in a single day
03:15 exio4 I still have to buy a decent PSU
03:26 exio4 VanessaE: checked it? what do you think?
03:26 VanessaE the tower case?
03:26 * exio4 wants opinions
03:26 exio4 yup
03:26 VanessaE it looks nice, I'll grant you
03:26 VanessaE but I'm very utilitarian when it comes to cases
03:27 VanessaE give me cheap and plain looking with lots of vents and fans
03:27 VanessaE that's what I go for anymore
03:27 exio4 I actually wanted a raidmax raptor
03:27 exio4 which is waay "cheaper" but has lots of fans and looks kinda nice
03:27 exio4 but out of stock
03:28 exio4 I am going to spend half of the next 800 ARS I get with the scholarship in fans tho
03:28 VanessaE bad placement for those extra jacks/plugs
03:28 VanessaE (the "Handy Top Panel")
03:28 exio4 most cases have those there
03:28 VanessaE nope.
03:28 exio4 why "bad"?
03:28 VanessaE most cases have such things near the middle of the front panel, or near the bottom
03:29 exio4 I only saw near the middle in cheap cases
03:29 VanessaE bad because if you plug stuff in, you'll have cords hanging down in front of your machine's drive bays
03:30 VanessaE that's the only thing I see wrong with it
03:30 exio4 and that it only has 1 builtin cooler by default?
03:30 exio4 (supports up to five tho)
03:31 VanessaE actually I counted two.
03:31 exio4 oh, yup
03:31 exio4 read wrong
03:31 VanessaE with room for more
03:32 VanessaE looks like it can fit two in the top and one in the bottom
03:32 VanessaE plus the PSU fan
03:32 VanessaE (not that that one will help much)
03:36 exio4 it is kinda light too
03:36 exio4 6.8kg
03:36 exio4 15.1lb
03:36 VanessaE it won't be for long :P
03:36 VanessaE put all that hardware in it and it'll be 50 kg in no time. ;P
03:36 exio4 well, I mean, 6.8+C < 12.4+C
03:37 exio4 my case ATM is like 15USD I guess lol
03:39 exio4 thinking about selling my low-speed ram module and my high-speed one and then buying a 2x8gb of nice ram
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05:57 JohnnyComeL8ly What is the minimum graphics memory for the game (with no minimal settings).
05:58 JohnnyComeL8ly Sorry, I meant "with minimal settings."
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06:08 JohnnyComeL8ly me@#minetest:~$ ping y'all
06:08 JohnnyComeL8ly Error: Could not find host y'all
06:09 JohnnyComeL8ly me@#minetest:~$ ping anybody
06:10 jojoa1997 paper
06:10 jojoa1997 i mean hi
06:10 JohnnyComeL8ly Hi.
06:11 JohnnyComeL8ly What is the minimum graphics memory for the game (with no fancy settings enabled).
06:12 JohnnyComeL8ly jojoa1997: You don't know anything about that do you?
06:12 jojoa1997 Nope
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06:22 JohnnyComeL8ly That's too bad.
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06:26 Zeno` haha the German chancellor is very cool. She went to the pub and got a beer :D
06:33 JohnnyComeL8ly I don't keep up on politics much, and for that matter, I know little of outside the country I'm in... (I didn't know that the leader in Germany was a woman...)
06:34 JohnnyComeL8ly Zeno, do you know that because you were there at the same time?
06:37 JohnnyComeL8ly 'Cause that would be cool too...
06:41 hmmmm :/
06:43 Zeno` Huh, no but the pub she went to I've been to many times when I was at uni
06:46 JohnnyComeL8ly Oh.
06:46 JohnnyComeL8ly Okay.
06:49 stormchaser3000 does anyone know what program adds the convert command used by generate_previews.sh
06:51 marktraceur stormchaser3000: imagemagick
06:51 stormchaser3000 i have that installed?
06:51 stormchaser3000 OH
06:51 stormchaser3000 well i did at one point but then i tried to isntall arch
06:51 stormchaser3000 and that failed
06:51 stormchaser3000 well darn i don't want to download that
06:52 stormchaser3000 XD
06:52 stormchaser3000 but thanks
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07:19 JohnnyComeL8ly What is the minimum graphics memory for the game (with no fancy settings enabled).
07:20 sfan5 why are you asking?
07:20 sfan5 actually
07:20 sfan5 lemme try
07:22 sfan5 hm
07:22 sfan5 nvidia-smi is not saying anything that would help
07:23 sfan5 oh right
07:24 sfan5 JohnnyComeL8ly: 32MB
07:25 JohnnyComeL8ly Okay, I'm asking because I have this problem; lemme git the link.
07:25 sfan5 the fancy settings I use need about 33MB
07:27 JohnnyComeL8ly https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/1838
07:28 sfan5 oh, that
07:28 sfan5 JohnnyComeL8ly: did you try updating your graphics driver?
07:28 sfan5 this might also be a problem with windows xp itself
07:28 hmmmm lol
07:28 hmmmm https://code.google.com/p/lugaru/​source/browse/Source/GameTick.cpp
07:29 JohnnyComeL8ly Not recently...
07:30 JohnnyComeL8ly hmmmm: What's so funny?
07:30 hmmmm ur momma
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07:31 JohnnyComeL8ly Dude you are killing me with laughter... :-|
07:32 JohnnyComeL8ly *NOT
07:41 dv- :|
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08:15 Trixar_za Hmmmm
08:15 Trixar_za I do a modded driver for that device - I should test it on Windows XP
08:16 Trixar_za bbiab
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08:26 Trixar_za Right, I can confirm that bug on the same device while on Windows XP - it's not a lack of memory error. It's the wrong version of OpenGL.
08:31 Trixar_za (Since it works fine on Windows 7 that comes with OpenGL 1.4 - Windows XP is forced to use OpenGL 1.2)
08:34 Zeno` can that be updated?
08:42 Trixar_za Zeno`: Yes and No. You can use the OpenGL 1.3 driver from the GMA X3000, but your FPS will drop to 1-2fps
08:43 Trixar_za Just update Windows to Vista or newer - atleast you'll have OpenGL 1.4
08:43 Zeno` so, more on the side on no
08:43 Zeno` side of*
08:44 Zeno` I don't have Windows XP :) Was asking more for informational purposes
08:45 Zeno` Why does their bug report show "Irrlicht log: Using renderer: OpenGL 1.4.0" if that's no what they're using?
08:46 JohnnyComeL8ly Idk...
08:46 Trixar_za I have no clue - it showed the same for me
08:46 JohnnyComeL8ly Maybe, it is using it.
08:46 sol_invictus Why are there still people using Windows XP?
08:48 JohnnyComeL8ly Because it costs money to upgrade and because the newer ones are too much for it.... I want to use linux, but I can't. (It's my dad's laptop.)
08:48 JohnnyComeL8ly Unless, I use a flash drive to boot linux...
08:49 JohnnyComeL8ly But there, now you know why some still use it.
08:51 Trixar_za I have to drop back into XP to check driver versions - lol
08:51 Trixar_za I'll be back on the freenode webclient :/
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08:52 JohnnyComeL8ly I like that one better that mibbit though...
08:55 JohnnyComeL8ly I'm going to bed, though I'll leave Instantbird open to see what you say, Trixar_za.
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09:02 Trixarian Right
09:02 Trixarian I forgot i left this thing barebones - lol
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09:05 * Trixarian downloads GLView
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09:36 Zeno` weeeeee
09:36 Zeno` oops
09:36 Zeno` weeeee!
09:39 Trixar_za lol
09:40 Trixar_za Sorry - seems the version it reports IS 1.4 - but it doesn't support all the extensions between 'Legecy' and 'Gen4' copies of the driver
09:41 Trixar_za Also running the video render as direct3d9 fixes the problem - it crashes on Windows 7 though - Ran it for about 5 minutes on Windows XP and it seemed fine.
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09:52 Trixar_za https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/1838
09:53 Krock access violation?
09:54 Krock An older graphics card/chip can throw an Access Violation error with direct3d9
09:55 Calinou in general, caused by a too old graphics adapter
09:55 Calinou but try running GNU/Linux, for me it was gone on my netbook (compared to Windows 7)
09:55 Calinou no guarantees
09:55 Trixar_za yeah - it runs fine with Windows 7 and Linux
09:56 Trixar_za It's just Windows XP that's the problem
09:56 Calinou unsupported OS ;)
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10:07 Krock long live win 5.1
10:07 Trixar_za Added a note about my modded video driver
10:07 Trixar_za Free advertising and such :P
10:09 Krock wut.I have directx 10, and there's the notice about >= vista
10:10 Trixar_za It's really basic support - good luck getting anything good running well on it. Not that I would include that note
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10:12 Krock I thought, it's required to implent those things into the irrlicht source
10:13 * Krock headdesks and hides. a driver.
10:13 * Krock thought, video_driver is meant, this setting is for the render
10:14 Trixar_za Oh you meant the config file - I don't see an option for it though. Also direct3d8 doesn't work at all
10:14 Trixar_za :P
10:14 Trixar_za And software is buggy...
10:15 Krock direct3d8 works. at least under windows xp
10:15 Krock and burningsvideo is funny
10:16 Calinou Krock, Windows 6.3 is best Windows!
10:16 * Calinou runs
10:17 Calinou Trixar_za, only opengl renderer lets you use shaders and advanced rendering featurs
10:17 Krock Calinou, that's your optinion
10:17 Calinou so it is the recommended one
10:17 Krock *opinion
10:17 Calinou also works on all operating systems
10:18 Trixar_za Krock: Not for me - it crashes at startup - lol. Maybe because I left on Fancy Trees, 3D Clouds and Particles with Bi-linear Filtering
10:19 Krock Trixar_za, fancy trees work fine - that's what I can verify
10:19 Trixar_za direct3d9 works fine though
10:19 Trixar_za Well - fine until it crashes on Windows 7
10:19 Trixar_za :P
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10:20 Calinou that has nothing to do with the crash
10:21 Krock <3 eased 3d-noise
10:22 * Krock has no idea what the setting "Connected Glass" does. With disabled setting, the connected glass is still connected
10:24 Calinou in Carbone, the setting is not obeyed because 0.4.10 clients don't know about it
10:24 Calinou same things for some mods
10:24 Calinou glasslike_framed_optional is the new drawtype
10:25 Krock ah
10:25 Krock _optional - I prefer non-optional in this case :)
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10:30 Calinou please use optional for stuff that's supposed to be able to be not connected
10:30 Calinou respect standards
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12:16 Megaf OldCoder: Hi there
12:25 catninja I've just curious, how many here takes of their shoes when entering a home?
12:26 Krock I do not have shoes
12:29 catninja not outside?
12:30 Krock shoes:outside not found
12:33 ElectronLibre (Perhaps he doesn't go outside, or he does but rarely) You don't need shoes to go outside. It depends on where you go..
12:35 exio4 I heard there is something called light outside
12:35 MinetestBot [git] Zeno- -> minetest/minetest: Fix double free bug when server is shut down f0a8f65 http://git.io/adJZfA (2014-11-15T22:33:52+10:00)
12:35 exio4 I am scared to know if that is true or not
12:37 ElectronLibre exio4, I can tell you this is true. And I advise you to not go to see this light, it's very painful to eyes..
12:37 exio4 give me a mathematical valid proof that sunlight won't kill me and I go outside
12:38 PenguinDad The fix was more simple than you all thought lol
12:38 ElectronLibre I cannot proof it won't kill you, it will probably just hurt your eyes..
12:38 ElectronLibre So te be careful, don't go outside x).
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12:48 catninja As I swede I was so chocked when someone asked if they had to remove their shoes in the cafeteria that I just stood there frozen
12:48 catninja "n--nno or you can do as you please"
12:49 catninja Immigrant families asking the hard questions
12:49 catninja And my whole body wanted to say yes since we actually are inside
12:50 catninja but you dont have to do that in a cafeteria since there is not stand for the shoes
12:50 catninja I should make a swede mod
12:50 catninja shostands, coffee, fika, midsummer decorations, individual benches
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13:19 Megaf so, is there anything I can do to make my server not stop responding fo while when someone is making it generate new land?
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13:26 catninja get more memory?
13:27 catninja what kind of CPU do you have?
13:27 PenguinDad Megaf: disable mapgen :P
13:27 Krock ^
13:27 Krock get LuaJIT if it's a lua mapgen
13:28 proller throw lua mapgen
13:29 exio4 yeah, fixed in freeminer Megaf
13:29 proller yes
13:29 exio4 see, told ya
13:29 Megaf Krock: I have LuaJIT, but I dont know if minetest is using it
13:29 exio4 everything is fixed in freeminer, because FM is bugless
13:30 Krock freeminer doesn't have bugs. it has features
13:30 proller not everything, but most server performance problems
13:30 exio4 the sad thing is that for every thing fixed, there are one hundred new bugs
13:30 * Krock thinks, proller wakes up instantly when "freeminer" is in a message
13:30 proller i have alarm
13:30 PenguinDad Krock: or lua mapgen :P
13:31 proller can minetest handle 200-400 players? ;)
13:31 Krock PenguinDad, I doupt it
13:31 Krock proller, yes.
13:31 exio4 nope, can freeminer?
13:31 proller exio4, yes
13:31 Krock it depends on the server
13:31 exio4 proller: any proof?
13:31 proller Krock, тщ
13:31 exio4 more than abusing bots in a server
13:32 proller Krock, no
13:32 proller i have no such players
13:32 proller and bots generate more load than players
13:32 exio4 proller: have you connected 400 REAL players and let they play nicely?
13:32 proller its possible.
13:32 Krock ah and get the technic mod, on top of that
13:33 Krock optional: mesecons and pipeworks
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13:33 exio4 this feels like the the strong law of small numbers
13:33 proller maybe 150--200 with this mods
13:33 Krock still waiting for proofs :3
13:34 exio4 I made a fork of minetest that can handle 40 million players at the same time
13:34 exio4 you just need infinite CPU and RAM and bandwidth
13:34 Krock exio4, yeah, extending unsigned int16 to unsigned int32 is easy
13:34 proller organize 400 players and connect them to any freeminer server
13:37 Megaf wow
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13:37 Megaf minetest was using more than 3 GB of RAM
13:37 Megaf the client
13:37 exio4 sounds like a plan
13:37 Megaf yet antoher bloody memory leak?
13:37 proller fm can use up to 32g!
13:37 exio4 yes, fixed in freeminer Megaf
13:37 PenguinDad Megaf: which game?
13:38 Megaf PenguinDad: playing multiplayer on my server
13:38 PenguinDad Megaf: does your server have many nodeboxes?
13:38 Megaf no, I dont know if it was because of mesh cache, because of high client_unload_unused_data_timeout or because of memory leak
13:38 PenguinDad or rather mods which register many nodeboxes
13:38 Megaf now8
13:40 Megaf s/no/now
13:40 Megaf s/now8/now*
13:43 Krock Megaf, do not use 1024px textures then
13:46 PenguinDad 1024 px textures are 4096 times bigger than 16 px textures D:
13:49 Krock 0 online in just test o.o
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14:10 ElectronLibre Krock : Is it possible nobody is interested by what is actually on just test? o_o
14:11 Krock ElectronLibre, idk.
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15:11 proller lol
15:17 Krock olo
15:17 PenguinDad yby
15:18 marktraceur nrn
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16:18 PoisenedArrow Hi
16:18 sfan5 hi
16:19 PoisenedArrow Wait sfan5 i know your name from somewhere
16:19 sfan5 =
16:19 sfan5 ??
16:19 Calinou yes, sfan6 the griffer!
16:19 PoisenedArrow No no
16:19 PoisenedArrow Um.....
16:19 Calinou saw him yesterday on “just test” server, must be the true one.
16:19 Calinou ;)
16:19 PoisenedArrow I can't remeber
16:19 sfan5 Calinou: you're about as useful as proller right now
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16:21 PoisenedArrow sfan5
16:21 sfan5 what
16:21 Megaf Hi Arrow
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16:22 Calinou that was a joke
16:22 PoisenedArrow Arent you a creator of minetest or am i worng
16:22 Megaf PoisenedArrow: you can see sfan5's name on lots of places
16:22 Megaf PoisenedArrow: you are wrong
16:22 PoisenedArrow Oh
16:22 Megaf he is just a person that helps minetest sometimes
16:22 Megaf :P
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16:22 Calinou “Mr. Apple”
16:22 PoisenedArrow Oh
16:22 Megaf who helps*
16:22 Calinou he added apples to 0.2_20110922
16:22 Megaf he is one of the developers, or used to be
16:23 Megaf sfan5: are you still active on minetest development?
16:23 PoisenedArrow Oh cool
16:23 exio4 PoisenedArrow: are you a poisoned Kleisli Arrow? because you look monadic
16:23 PoisenedArrow ???
16:23 sfan5 Megaf: yes
16:24 Megaf exio4: take easy on him, he is Canadian
16:24 Megaf xP
16:24 Megaf we like Canadians, don't we?
16:24 ElectronLibre We like everyone, except those who don't like us.
16:26 Megaf PoisenedArrow: do you like us?
16:26 VanessaE good morning.
16:26 Calinou hi VanessaE
16:26 Krock Go to a train station and say loud "I hate humans!". Enjoy the reaction
16:27 sfan5 VanessaE: >17:26 CEST >good morning
16:27 PoisenedArrow I like EVERYBODY
16:27 Krock ^
16:27 ElectronLibre Hello VanessaE.
16:27 Megaf Hi VanessaE
16:28 PenguinDad Krock: I actually did that once but no one reacted :/
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16:31 PoisenedArrow exio4 do you bven know me?
16:32 PoisenedArrow even sry
16:33 exio4 yes, I do
16:34 marktraceur Bro, do you even me?
16:34 exio4 you're a type that wants to be a monad but can't follow the monad laws
16:34 Megaf 11:32:16: ACTION[ServerThread]: CHAT: <popularmoson> i have intrackt
16:34 Megaf : ACTION[ServerThread]: CHAT: <Megaf> Contratulations!
16:34 Megaf 11:3
16:35 Megaf ops
16:35 exio4 o/
16:35 * ElectronLibre gives Megaf a fail point
16:35 Megaf Someone is happy
16:35 Megaf http://paste.debian.net/131903/
16:35 PoisenedArrow does
16:36 * Megaf can't even copy and paste properly
16:37 Krock PenguinDad, there must be people around. else it won't work
16:37 Megaf Ok, here is the chat of a happy player http://paste.debian.net/plain/131904
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16:37 Megaf and they must be humans
16:37 * Megaf can't speel either (contratulations)
16:37 * Megaf is a disaster
16:38 exio4 spell
16:38 PenguinDad Krock: there were people around
16:38 Megaf I know, and I told you I can't spell
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16:38 Megaf PenguinDad: were they humans?
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16:40 PenguinDad Megaf: Iff my visual regex for humans isn't broken yes
16:46 PoisenedArrow Well ima go back to minetest c ya latr all
16:47 * ElectronLibre try to put the letters in the good order
16:50 Krock Ich hasse Meenschen
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17:27 PenguinDad Krock: you see no reaction
17:29 JohnnyComeL8ly Hey, guys! I used direct3d9... And the problems are gone! I had to download the msvc version, but it works perfectly now! Thanks so much Trixar_za and others that have helped. Maybe I will get Dad to let me install linux.... I do like the idea of using openGL, but I like the correct images better. ;-P
17:30 JohnnyComeL8ly So, I should close the issue on github?
17:31 OldCoder Megaf, Hello back
17:33 JohnnyComeL8ly Access violation at 4FEBEB06 write?=1 address=7869286
17:33 JohnnyComeL8ly In trans_func.
17:33 JohnnyComeL8ly Access violation at 4FEBEB06 write?=1 address=7869286
17:33 JohnnyComeL8ly 11:31:54: ERROR[main]: Some exception: "Access violation"
17:33 JohnnyComeL8ly In trans_func.
17:33 JohnnyComeL8ly Access violation at 0CD1E610 write?=1 address=4294967040
17:33 JohnnyComeL8ly In trans_func.
17:33 JohnnyComeL8ly Access violation at 0CD1E610 write?=1 address=4294967040
17:33 JohnnyComeL8ly 11:31:55: ERROR[main]: Some exception: "Access violation"
17:33 JohnnyComeL8ly WHY now? And what is it?
17:33 Jordach D3D9
17:34 Jordach it does that at random
17:34 Jordach russian roulette with a 1-2 minute timer
17:34 JohnnyComeL8ly Dude... that is a funny analogy!
17:34 Jordach go OpenGL
17:34 Jordach windows happily runs it
17:35 Jordach (and billinear filtering slightly boosts fps)
17:35 JohnnyComeL8ly Did you read all of what was said before?
17:35 JohnnyComeL8ly Would I be better off using directdd9?
17:35 Jordach JohnnyComeL8ly, access violations are irrlicht screwing up the video driver buffer
17:35 Jordach NO
17:36 Jordach OpenGL is the one that doesn't crash every few minutes
17:36 Jordach i dealt with this in march 2012
17:36 sfan5 Jordach: you are not algining with Microsoft's DirectX marketing shit
17:36 sfan5 aligning*
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17:37 JohnnyComeL8ly But... the images look right now... is there something I can do, like reinstall the driver?
17:37 Jordach you can't install D3D
17:37 Jordach neither can you with OpenGL
17:37 Jordach learn how to understand computers first before even going Linux
17:38 sfan5 Jordach: he's talking about the driver
17:38 sfan5 JohnnyComeL8ly: did you try updating your graphics driver?
17:38 JohnnyComeL8ly I have already gone into Linux, and I'm better with that, imho.
17:38 JohnnyComeL8ly I haven't/
17:41 Calinou you install them indirectly, Jordach
17:41 Calinou if you vulgarize how it works
17:41 Jordach Calinou, assume the user is an idiot, rule 1 of tech support
17:42 sfan5 this isn't tech support
17:45 JohnnyComeL8ly Well, I get called that enough... I don't think it is true, but...
17:45 Jordach JohnnyComeL8ly, i don't think that, i just simplify it do you don't push all the buttons and make it worse
17:46 marktraceur "pushing all the buttons at once" is my first step in debugging anything.
17:46 Jordach ^ arch / gentoo user
17:46 marktraceur Linux Mint recently, actually.
17:46 Jordach i heard mint's good
17:46 marktraceur Usually some flavour of Debian.
17:47 marktraceur Once you go apt, you never go back.
17:47 Jordach never used anything other than apt-get
17:47 marktraceur Ezzackly
17:47 Jordach it works
17:47 sfan5 marktraceur: what's wrong with me? I recently switched from *buntu to arch
17:47 marktraceur sfan5: That's between you and your therapists
17:48 sfan5 I don't have a therapist
17:48 Xack catapist
17:48 Xack hi
17:48 exio4 apt is nice, but emerge... dat emerge
17:48 marktraceur sfan5: Maybe time to find one
17:48 sfan5 maybe
17:49 Calinou a few days ago, it had been 4 years since I started playing Minecraft
17:49 exio4 sfan5 scared all the therapists in his city
17:49 marktraceur Calinou: What a strange thing to keep in your calendar
17:50 Calinou indeed :-)
17:50 Xack Calinou: :O
17:50 JohnnyComeL8ly Okay. I have a link. http://pastebin.com/vqVE7N57 It is the ?debug? thing for the driver tool. (already installed)
17:50 exio4 4 years playing minecraft
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17:51 Xack offtopic pastebin!
17:51 Xack :
17:51 Xack *:3
17:51 exio4 I don't remember any exact dates
17:51 exio4 when I started playing MC, started programming, anything
17:52 Jordach June 2011, MC Classic
17:52 * JohnnyComeL8ly Des guys are crazy...
17:52 Xack JohnnyComeL8ly: very :D
17:52 JohnnyComeL8ly :-)
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17:53 JohnnyComeL8ly Don't worry, I will contribute in a while. :-O
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17:54 JohnnyComeL8ly Hey, did someone look at it?
17:55 Calinou really bad graphics chipset
17:55 JohnnyComeL8ly I'm sorry, but I can't upgrade it, you know...
17:56 JohnnyComeL8ly The gfx chipset, I mean.
17:57 JohnnyComeL8ly I think my driver is very outdated, right?
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17:59 JohnnyComeL8ly Like, the version is very old. Here is a link for the driver (at least it appears to be it). https://downloadcenter.intel.com/Detail_Desc.a​spx?DwnldID=16835&amp;lang=eng&amp;ProdId=2301
18:08 sfan5 JohnnyComeL8ly: thats probably the wrong driver
18:08 sfan5 JohnnyComeL8ly: which graphics card do you have
18:09 JohnnyComeL8ly It is an iGPU.
18:09 Calinou you can't do anything against the wrong icons
18:09 Calinou believed to be an Irrlicht bug
18:09 JohnnyComeL8ly http://pastebin.com/vqVE7N57
18:10 sfan5 JohnnyComeL8ly: what does dxdiag say
18:10 JohnnyComeL8ly What is that? A cmd tool?
18:11 Krock JohnnyComeL8ly, http://www.driverscape.com/download/mo​bile-intel(r)-945-express-chipset-fami​ly-(microsoft-corporation---wddm-1.0)
18:12 Krock 1st download button is fake btw
18:12 sfan5 JohnnyComeL8ly: go start > run... and enter 'dxdiag'
18:13 JohnnyComeL8ly Okay, Krock, but I think that the intel.com link I put up has a latter version of the driver... Tell me if I'm wrong.
18:14 Krock JohnnyComeL8ly, "This file is written specifically for the desk..." your graphics card is not there
18:14 JohnnyComeL8ly Ooh, thank you.
18:14 Krock "Mobile Intel(R) 945 Express Chipset"
18:15 Krock you should restart the PC after
18:15 Krock or whatever you've got
18:15 JohnnyComeL8ly So what is mine called? 945gm?
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18:16 Krock run dxdiag as sfan5 said
18:16 Krock there aerall informations
18:16 Krock *are all
18:16 JohnnyComeL8ly I did. :-D I was just going to say that I did.
18:16 JohnnyComeL8ly So, what do you need/
18:17 JohnnyComeL8ly *?
18:17 Krock nvm. dxdiag does not read the real graphics card, only the installed drivers
18:17 sfan5 JohnnyComeL8ly: there should be an option to save all info in a .txt file
18:17 OldCoder VanessaE, Hi. Should one install both bushes and bushes_classic or just one of them>?
18:17 OldCoder sfan5, do you know ^ ?
18:17 Krock 2nd button on bottom -> "Save informatio to.."
18:17 JohnnyComeL8ly Okay.
18:17 sfan5 OldCoder: no
18:18 OldCoder Just one of them?
18:18 OldCoder Or don't know?
18:18 JohnnyComeL8ly sfan5: Do I pastebin it?
18:18 sfan5 JohnnyComeL8ly: yes
18:20 JohnnyComeL8ly Here. http://pastebin.com/69FqnfTt
18:20 Krock Chip type: Intel(R) GMA 950
18:20 VanessaE OldCoder: if you refer to the two mods in plantlife, you can install both, but they are unrelated to each other save for depending on plants_lib.
18:20 VanessaE bushes_classic replaces the mod that used to be part of nature pack
18:20 VanessaE (which was called "bushes" at the time)
18:21 VanessaE the mod _now_ called bushes is from the undergrowth modpack and does something entirely different.
18:21 OldCoder So you recommend both?
18:21 OldCoder All right
18:21 OldCoder Did you say something about trying a new version?
18:21 VanessaE if your world needs that kind of foliage yeah
18:21 OldCoder github repo looks a month old
18:21 VanessaE yeah, make sure you're at git HEAD of plantlife.
18:21 OldCoder What kind of foliage? And what is the clone command?
18:22 VanessaE foliage depends on whatever your world needs, only you can decide that :)
18:22 JohnnyComeL8ly Actually, Krock, I think that mine is there on the intel list... "This file is written specifically for the desktop Intel® 945G, 945GC, 945GT, and 945GZ Express Chipsets and the Mobile Intel® 940GML, 943GML, 945GM, and 945GMS Express Chipsets."
18:22 VanessaE but bushes mod (as it's called now that is) just adds various small-ish 2-3 node tall shrubs.  bushes_classic is the one that adds small fruit-bearing bushes
18:22 VanessaE clone command?
18:22 OldCoder and the clone command for HEAD? And how safe is HEAD?
18:23 JohnnyComeL8ly This is the part that holds me back - "The software drivers provided on this page are generic versions, and can be used for general purposes. However, computer original equipment manufacturers (OEMs) may have altered the features, incorporated customizations, or made other changes to the software or software packaging they provide. To avoid any potential installation incompatibilities on your OEM system, Intel recommends that you
18:23 JohnnyComeL8ly check with your OEM and use the software provided via your system manufacturer. "
18:23 sfan5 JohnnyComeL8ly: https://downloadcenter.intel.com​/Detail_Desc.aspx?DwnldID=16835 is the latest one
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18:23 JohnnyComeL8ly Would HP have changed something like that?
18:23 Krock JohnnyComeL8ly, mhm yes. but it's not clearly written for the 945 Express Chipset
18:24 VanessaE OH that clone command, derp
18:24 VanessaE yeah git HEAD on plantlife is stable.
18:24 VanessaE git clone https://github.com/VanessaE/plantlife_modpack.git
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18:26 YuGiOhJCJ hello, I found grass in my world. When I try to get it sometimes I get it, but other times I get wheat seed. I am wondering if it is possible to create a grass without using a grass or a wheat seed. Any idea about that?
18:27 twoelk create grass?
18:27 Calinou they eventually grow on dirt_with_grass
18:28 Calinou takes time
18:28 Calinou dirt can be turned into dirt with grass by putting light
18:28 Calinou that works underground… put a torch near it
18:29 JohnnyComeL8ly You know, I will go into the bios to see what it says...
18:29 twoelk there are mods that add ways to create dirt
18:29 kaeza greetings
18:29 JohnnyComeL8ly I'm pretty sure I have 945gm, but I will see if the bios sheds any light on the issue.
18:30 JohnnyComeL8ly Greetings, and goodbye. :-)
18:30 JohnnyComeL8ly I'm going...
18:31 Krock twoelk, mining_plus adds a grinder to grind gravel into dirt
18:31 Krock JohnnyComeL8ly, or give Everest Ultimate Edition a try. it reads the actual hardware
18:31 YuGiOhJCJ Calinou, OK thank you so if the sun is on my dirt, a grass can be created automatically without any grass or wheat seed
18:31 twoelk hm, Just-Test could use that ;-)
18:32 twoelk they use lots of bones to craft dirt, sand and gravel
18:32 Calinou yes, will take a lot of time
18:32 * Krock sees his old graphics chip just 7 ranks above Jonny's
18:32 twoelk YuGiOhJCJ: random chances though
18:33 YuGiOhJCJ OK because I have already a lot of grass blocks in my world and I have never seen a grass on it ^^
18:33 Krock !rev YuGiOhJCJ
18:33 MinetestBot JCJhOiGuY
18:33 Krock !c 'YuGiOh' + 'GuY'
18:33 MinetestBot 'YuGiOhGuY'
18:34 YuGiOhJCJ my nickname is reversed ^^
18:34 YuGiOhJCJ in both case it is not easy to read it
18:40 YuGiOhJCJ is it "time" or "luck" which make grass growing a dirt block? I mean... If it is time, I just need to wait... If it is luck, I need to destroy my dirt block by picking it, then create it again... Any idea?
18:40 Jordach I LOVE COCK!
18:40 Jordach Sorry Guys, Just HGad to Say that
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18:42 JohnnyComeL8ly Erm... I didn't find anything except that my board number was 361a. (IIRC)
18:43 OldCoder VanessaE, isn't that about a month old?
18:44 VanessaE OldCoder: last commit in plantlife was two weeks ago.
18:45 VanessaE well, 2 1/2 weeks; Oct 31
18:45 VanessaE well no, that's barely over 2 weeks :)
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18:53 YuGiOhJCJ *growing "on" a dirt block
18:54 JohnnyComeL8ly Vanessa: I think you can round it up to 3 weeks if it has been 18 days, but in this case you would round it down to two weeks. Those are the rules of math, right?
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18:55 twoelk YuGiOhJCJ: it's luck how fast it will grow. eventually it might turn the layn into prairie. But that might take months in real time ;-P at least on some servers so it seems
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18:55 twoelk -y+w
18:55 JohnnyComeL8ly *
18:55 JohnnyComeL8ly VannessaE:
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18:56 JohnnyComeL8ly Nm, no. It is one "n." Sorry.
18:58 VanessaE tab-complete is your friend :)
19:00 JohnnyComeL8ly Ah, I forgot that one. :-)
19:04 JohnnyComeL8ly I found the product page for the laptop I have. http://h10025.www1.hp.com/ewfrf/wc/document?do​cname=c01600627&amp;cc=us&amp;dlc=en&amp;lc=en
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19:13 JohnnyComeL8ly It says that I have Intel® Graphics Media Accelerator 950, and I see in my diagnostic report (http://pastebin.com/69FqnfTt) the same thing...
19:15 JohnnyComeL8ly So, this looks like it might be it... https://downloadcenter.intel.com/Detai​l_Desc.aspx?DwnldID=16835&amp;lang=eng
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19:16 Calinou updating your driver is not going to solve it
19:16 Calinou it is not solvable…
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19:24 JohnnyComeL8ly1 How so?
19:25 JohnnyComeL8ly1 Why am I known as (myname)1?
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19:28 JohnnyComeL8ly1 How is updating my driver not going to help?>
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19:29 JohnnyComeL8ly Calinou: How will that not work?
19:33 nore https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.p​hp?f=3&amp;t=156&amp;p=161946#p161946 <-- lol
19:35 kaeza ...
19:36 Krock lol.
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19:36 PenguinDad plol
19:37 Krock *writes answer*
19:37 * Krock gives kaeza [url=http://www.wikihow.com/Upl​oad-Images-to-the-Internet]How to upload images[/url]
19:38 kaeza "http://www.wikihow.com/Upl​oad-Images-to-the-Internet]How" -> bad title
19:38 kaeza hexchat is very smart with links
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19:38 Krock nettalk too
19:39 marktraceur > wikihow
19:39 marktraceur > Commons is missing
19:39 marktraceur WTF
19:39 marktraceur Idiots
19:39 Krock > marktraceur
19:39 kaeza o hai marktraceur
19:39 PenguinDad xfce terminal is smarter :P
19:39 marktraceur Hay der kaeza
19:41 kaeza no mediacru.sh either :(
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19:44 JohnnyComeL8ly Would that be ROXterm?
19:45 JohnnyComeL8ly PenguinDad: ^
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19:46 PenguinDad JohnnyComeL8ly: no that would be xfce-terminal
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19:52 kaeza mrxvt!
19:52 * PenguinDad slaps kaeza with urxvt
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19:52 mitrom Hi
19:52 * kaeza slaps PenguinDad with cmd.exe
19:53 * PenguinDad vomits a dangling pointer
19:53 kaeza hi mitrom
19:53 mitrom hey there kaeza
19:54 mitrom Guys, there's this awesome minetest server I just found
19:54 mitrom Look up and you'll likely see it
19:55 mitrom "Real life? Is that a Minetest server?"
19:55 mitrom That was a shit joke
19:56 mitrom I admit that was a shit joke
19:56 kaeza I can confirm
19:56 kaeza <_<
19:56 mitrom Yup
19:56 mitrom Shit joke, roger that
19:56 mitrom Or rodger?
19:56 kaeza !next
19:56 MinetestBot Another satisfied customer. Next!
19:57 mitrom !previous
19:57 mitrom Your thing is broken
19:57 mitrom Add !previous for the lolz
19:57 PenguinDad Real life: "Pros: Amazing graphics Cons: Unclear story, Too many bugs"
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20:05 JohnnyComeL8ly PenguinDad: Okay, what is it?
20:06 mitrom lol
20:06 mitrom I think nyuszika7h broke it
20:06 nyuszika7h wat
20:06 mitrom * nyuszika7h_ is now known as nyuszika7h
20:06 mitrom then netsplit
20:07 nyuszika7h lol
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20:07 mitrom oo jojoa1337
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20:12 mitrom Guys what game should I play rn?
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20:13 marktraceur mitrom: Pokemon
20:13 JohnnyComeL8ly I am downloading the driver from https://downloadcenter.intel.com/Detai​l_Desc.aspx?DwnldID=16835&amp;lang=eng
20:13 JohnnyComeL8ly Do I have to uninstall the old driver?
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20:17 JohnnyComeL8ly Do I have to uninstall my other driver?
20:18 Krock ask yourself: Can I use google?
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20:20 JohnnyComeL8ly I did... but I didn't find something relevant.
20:22 JohnnyComeL8ly Okay, I searched using too many specific terms, sorry.
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20:27 JohnnyComeL8ly Thanks for baring with me... I'm going to do it in a bit.
20:27 Calinou Krock, I asked, I answered that I shouldn't ;)
20:28 Krock Calinou, DDG then...
20:28 Krock (duckduckgo)
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20:31 Calinou +1
20:39 Krock http://whathappensontheinternetin60seconds.com/
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20:40 PenguinDad Krock: just do cat /dev/random and you know what happens on the internet :P
20:41 Krock "cat" konnte nicht gefunden werden. Stellen Sie sicher, da....
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20:42 PenguinDad Winbooze doesn't have cat and /dev/random
20:43 marktraceur Sigh "winbooze"
20:44 exio4 winbooze, and german
20:44 exio4 I DON'T KNOW WHAT TO THINK
20:44 PenguinDad lel
20:44 sol_invictus PenguinDad: uh, I think /dev/random won't be able to simulate the throughput
20:45 sol_invictus should have used urandom
20:45 PenguinDad sol_invictus: /dev/urandom isn't as random as the internet :P
20:46 sol_invictus PenguinDad: nope, you just need a good hwrng as a seed
20:46 sol_invictus generally it's not recommended to use /dev/random
20:46 exio4 anyone here speaks esperanto_
20:46 exio4 anyone here speaks esperanto?
20:47 sol_invictus exio4: why?
20:47 marktraceur Nope.
20:47 Krock !c 537 / 2453
20:47 MinetestBot 0.2189156135344476
20:47 Krock !c 1/0.2189156135344476
20:47 MinetestBot 4.567970204841713
20:47 marktraceur !c pi
20:47 MinetestBot NameError: name 'pi' is not defined
20:47 marktraceur Aw.
20:48 sol_invictus !c 22/7
20:48 MinetestBot 3.142857142857143
20:49 PenguinDad !c math.pi + math.e
20:49 MinetestBot 5.859874482048838
20:51 Krock !c 4 - 4/3 + 4/5 - 4/7 + 4/9 - 4/11 + 4/13 - 4/15 + 4/17 - 4/19 + 4/21 - 4/23
20:51 MinetestBot 3.058402765927333
20:51 marktraceur Truncated. Sigh.
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20:54 blaise lol
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20:54 PenguinDad Sigh. Sigh.
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21:02 rubenwardy XD
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21:21 Megaf Hi all, is there a lua line I can add to init.ini that will increase the default item stak size from 99 to another number?
21:21 Megaf I'd like this other number to be default over the 99 on
21:23 rubenwardy There is a setting
21:24 rubenwardy Can't find it
21:24 rubenwardy I am sure there was
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21:25 catninja the peeps in nicerealm have done it
21:25 catninja for cobble
21:26 JohnnyComeL8ly I know, I want it for my local games...
21:26 ElectronLibre It is stack_max = <number>, isn't it?
21:26 rubenwardy For an item, you can use stack_max
21:26 ElectronLibre If you want to do it for every items, just search somewhere in builtin..
21:26 rubenwardy But I am sure there was a setting to change the default if stack_max isn't used.
21:27 rubenwardy https://github.com/minetest/minetest/​blob/70074800a207974a0c1383275186cefe​6955f297/builtin/game/item.lua#L493
21:27 rubenwardy ^ Change that
21:27 rubenwardy and this https://github.com/minetest/minetest/​blob/70074800a207974a0c1383275186cefe​6955f297/builtin/game/item.lua#L556
21:28 Megaf oh
21:28 Megaf I will take a look at that
21:28 ElectronLibre (There is no config value in minetest.conf for that, so the best way is to modify what rubenwardy has show)
21:28 ElectronLibre *what he shows you, sorry
21:30 Megaf Im making a game
21:30 Megaf for minetest
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21:31 mitrom Ping
21:31 * ElectronLibre gives mitrom Pong
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21:31 mitrom euck!
21:32 JohnnyComeL8ly How come they haven't changed that in the minetest_game to 999?
21:33 JohnnyComeL8ly Is it not realistic enough, or something?
21:33 JohnnyComeL8ly I have no problem with it... :-)
21:33 JohnnyComeL8ly I'll be afk.
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22:06 Krock hmmmm
22:07 marktraceur Mmhmm.
22:08 Krock !c 'mh' * 10
22:08 MinetestBot 'mhmhmhmhmhmhmhmhmhmh'
22:08 marktraceur !help
22:08 MinetestBot https://github.com/sfan5/minetestb​ot-modules/blob/master/COMMANDS.md
22:08 Krock 'help
22:09 marktraceur !c [i*2 for i in range(1,10)
22:09 MinetestBot SyntaxError: unexpected EOF while parsing (<string>, line 1)
22:09 marktraceur !c [i*2 for i in range(1,10)]
22:09 sfan5 huh?
22:09 PenguinDad MinetestBot!
22:09 MinetestBot PenguinDad!
22:09 sfan5 !c [i*2 for i in range(1,10)]
22:09 MinetestBot [2, 4, 6, 8, 10, 12, 14, 16, 18]
22:09 marktraceur Still alive at least.
22:09 marktraceur Maybe I was too fast?
22:09 sfan5 possibly
22:10 Krock !c [i*i*i for i in range(1,20)]
22:10 MinetestBot [1, 8, 27, 64, 125, 216, 343, 512, 729, 1000, 1331, 1728, 2197, 2744, 3375, 4096, 4913, 5832, 6859]
22:10 Krock dat magic numba
22:11 * Jordach notices OldCoder's moontest server survived 6.2 days without a crash
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22:11 sfan5 zsh/2 2501 % uptime
22:11 sfan5 23:11:10 up 6 days,  3:12,  4 users,  load average: 0,55, 0,97, 1,99
22:11 Krock This is fun: !c [i**i for i in range(1,30)]
22:11 sfan5 thats almost as much as my uptime
22:11 OldCoder Jordach, I will reboot it soon
22:11 OldCoder I need to make changes and backups
22:11 VanessaE damn, going on 12 days here.
22:11 PenguinDad !c [i*i for i in range(1,10)]
22:11 MinetestBot [1, 4, 9, 16, 25, 36, 49, 64, 81]
22:11 OldCoder Uptime is therefore a chimera
22:12 playzooki speaking of servers, a server im running now is having a chunk generation problem on my and and nobody elses
22:12 VanessaE 216 days on the server.
22:12 Krock !c 100 / (9*9)
22:12 MinetestBot 1.2345679012345678
22:12 playzooki ip is 86.166.58.198:30000
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22:13 Krock !c (10*10) / (99*99)
22:13 MinetestBot 0.010203040506070809
22:14 Krock ..08091011121314
22:14 sfan5 VanessaE: zsh/2 2509 % ssh user@butterfly uptime \n 22:14:13 up 263 days,  3:46,  0 users,  load average: 0.22, 0.05, 0.02
22:14 sfan5 can you beat that? ;)
22:15 VanessaE sfan5: well, I'd have somewhere north of 280 days had I not rebooted 216 days ago to fix a problem :)
22:15 hmmmm i used to think a high uptime was leet
22:15 Jordach VM station spinning up
22:15 hmmmm until i realized that it's a sign of neglect
22:15 VanessaE otherwise, no :)
22:15 marktraceur !c open('/dev/random').read(10)
22:15 MinetestBot NameError: name 'open' is not defined
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22:15 marktraceur That's probably for the best.
22:16 sfan5 marktraceur: do you expect me to have an open 'eval(input)'?
22:16 VanessaE damn.  starbase only has 31 days
22:16 marktraceur sfan5: ...maybe? :0
22:16 sfan5 hmmmm: I was tempted to restart an arch server I administer today because it was running linux 3.16 but 3.17 was installed
22:16 VanessaE sfan5: you win :)
22:17 sfan5 VanessaE: I'm sure there are servers with more uptime
22:17 * Jordach powers on the VM service
22:18 sfan5 aw
22:18 VanessaE sfan5: oh, likely :)
22:18 sfan5 someone already restarted the arch box
22:18 hmmmm i've personally only gotten up to 210 days.. my power company around this area sucks and i never invested into a UPS
22:19 exio4 I didn't invest in an UPS until now
22:19 exio4 have been two years and nearly lost a harddisk to realize
22:19 hmmmm at my last job we had a server room full of interesting platforms for testing stuff
22:19 Megaf stack_max doesnt work for tools =/
22:19 hmmmm this HP 9000 had like 6 or 7 years of uptime on it
22:19 VanessaE Megaf: because that field is used for the tool wead
22:19 VanessaE wear*
22:20 exio4 I have 47 days of uptime in this laptop, and like 3 in my desktop
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22:20 exio4 on*
22:20 exio4 whatever :D
22:20 Jordach holy shit
22:20 exio4 what happened Jordach
22:21 Megaf 47 days you say?
22:21 Jordach >BFD VM last modified 11/08/14
22:21 Krock my PC never has more than 20 hours uptime
22:21 exio4 19:21:20 up 47 days,  3:45, 16 users,  load average: 0,54, 0,53, 0,59
22:21 Megaf I got more than 60 days on my ARM server and 58 on my desktop
22:22 Megaf that was the last time I turned it on
22:22 Megaf but I rebooted it to updated the kernel
22:22 exio4 this is my everyday laptop, I just didn't need to reboot it
22:23 VanessaE bbl
22:24 Jordach crazy idea: what if i used VMs to simulate user's own computers
22:24 Jordach and it's actually just a hex core xeon powering the show
22:25 Megaf Jordach: what do you mean?
22:25 Jordach Megaf, you know how we have terminals that allow multiple users at once providing one OS
22:25 Jordach why not have a bare arch server that provides a OS of the user's preference and send that to their end
22:25 Megaf yes?
22:25 Jordach in a VM environment
22:25 Megaf but, what about the inpu/output?
22:26 Jordach Megaf, probably some trickery, and it's possib;e
22:26 Megaf People, I'm making a new Minetest Game, the idea is to be as responsive as possible and as resposnive as LUA will allow. In order to do that Im using as few files as possble and cleaning even comments from lua code.
22:26 Jordach and while i'm at it i should remove ShadowNinja's patch for node resolver :3
22:27 Megaf All default "mods" will be added directely to the default/init.lua file
22:27 Megaf Take a look https://github.com/Megaf/ResponsiveGame
22:27 Megaf It doesnt have much yet and needs some reorganization
22:27 Megaf I will open issues later today or tomorrow with TODOs
22:28 Megaf ^ LazyJ
22:28 sfan5 Megaf: Lua not LUA
22:28 Megaf Jordach: well, X.org was actually built with multiple screens/terminals in mind
22:29 RealBadAngel https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=atJ_lovDYWs
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22:29 Megaf and X.org supports several keyboars, mice, screens, vgas already
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22:34 Jordach for fuck sakes
22:35 LazyJ Thanks for the update, Megaf.
22:35 LazyJ I'll test it some more later after I tend to an issue on our server.
22:36 rubenwardy Megaf: https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/1843
22:36 rubenwardy !title
22:36 MinetestBot rubenwardy: Add setting to customise stack max by rubenwardy · Pull Request #1843 · minetest/minetest · GitHub
22:36 Jordach wat
22:36 Jordach >can't revert ShadowNinja's commits
22:36 Jordach MGV5/7 perpetually fucked with decoration replacements
22:37 Megaf fantastic rubenwardy
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22:37 Megaf rubenwardy: how can I "register" that in Lua?
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22:38 rubenwardy ?
22:38 Megaf I spelled it right now sfan5 :P
22:38 rubenwardy Just use default_stack_max in minetest.conf
22:38 rubenwardy Use stack_max = NUM to override it. It is only a default
22:38 Megaf rubenwardy: I mean, a game should be able to define that too
22:38 Megaf or not?
22:38 rubenwardy A game can have a minetest.conf
22:39 rubenwardy Put it next to game.conf
22:39 Megaf ok
22:39 rubenwardy It overwrites the defaults, but minetest.conf in root overwrites the games conf
22:39 rubenwardy So maybe use minetest.setting_set("default_stack_max", "123") to force it
22:41 RealBadAngel thats a better way imho
22:41 Jordach !up 86.141.52.72
22:41 MinetestBot 86.141.52.72:30000 seems to be down
22:42 Jordach !up 86.141.52.72
22:42 MinetestBot 86.141.52.72:30000 seems to be down
22:42 Jordach cmon
22:43 rubenwardy !up up
22:43 MinetestBot rubenwardy: Invalid Address
22:43 rubenwardy Ow
22:43 rubenwardy !up u.p
22:43 MinetestBot u.p:30000 seems to be down
22:43 Megaf rubenwardy: now we just need that to be merged
22:43 rubenwardy Wait about three months, then
22:43 RealBadAngel rubenwardy, also if you are going to allow max another than 99, you should take care of proper display the count
22:44 rubenwardy Huh?
22:44 Megaf 32000 shows ok
22:44 Megaf minegeld use a large number for max stack
22:44 RealBadAngel how does it look in inventory?
22:46 * Jordach notices this world appears to have actual trees and not the unresolved ones
22:48 Megaf help wanted :) https://github.com/Megaf/ResponsiveGame/issues/1
22:48 rubenwardy BTW, /give allows > stack_max
22:48 rubenwardy Probably not a bug
22:49 rubenwardy a /take command would be nice, as well as a command to see how many of something they have
22:51 Megaf !title
22:51 MinetestBot Megaf: TODO - Cotton trees. · Issue #1 · Megaf/ResponsiveGame · GitHub
22:52 Jordach Confirmed: MGV7 has schematic replacements again
22:53 Jordach how do i specify a mapgen via cli
22:53 blaise so there's no #minetest-de ?
22:54 sfan5 there is
22:54 blaise oh
22:54 blaise Megaf: I've never seen a cotton tree before...
22:54 blaise just the bushes
22:55 Megaf kilbith: https://github.com/Megaf/ResponsiveGame/issues/3
22:55 Megaf !title
22:55 MinetestBot Megaf: TODO - New game Icon and menu background. · Issue #3 · Megaf/ResponsiveGame · GitHub
22:55 Jordach Confirmed: MGV5 has schematic replacements again
22:56 Megaf is there a way for a game force the mapgen to be used?
22:56 Megaf to force
22:57 PenguinDad hmmmm seems to have fixed it without noticing it :)
22:58 Jordach MGV5 looks sick with BFD terrain
22:58 rubenwardy Megaf: What is responsive game? the readme is vague
22:58 Jordach !up jordach.minetest.net
22:58 MinetestBot jordach.minetest.net:30000 seems to be down
22:58 Megaf rubenwardy: Im editing it right now
22:59 rubenwardy Okay.
23:01 rubenwardy Megaf: NO!
23:01 rubenwardy not in game.conf
23:02 rubenwardy Add to a file called minetest.conf in the same directory as game.conf
23:02 Megaf I should have created a minetest.conf, shouldnt I?
23:02 exio4 learn you an esperanto for a great good
23:02 rubenwardy https://github.com/Megaf/ResponsiveGame/comm​it/c1aaa56c5148b0662a7567eab91accd9fad6926f
23:02 Megaf heh, I did that, then I thought I was wrong and added to game.conf xP
23:02 rubenwardy Yes :P
23:02 Megaf you can see that on the commits list
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23:03 Jordach https://cdn.mediacru.sh/RJzOVHlgbexD.png
23:03 exio4 http://en.lernu.net/kursoj​/mek/enhavo.php?leciono=1
23:03 PenguinDad exio4: no thanks
23:03 exio4 why not?
23:04 blaise Jordach: that is beautiful..
23:04 Megaf fixed
23:05 blaise exio4: are you trying to recrute people into learning to speak some forign language?
23:05 exio4 just esperanto
23:06 PenguinDad that looks really nice except for the CONTENT_IGNORE patches
23:06 blaise so, it's not even a real language
23:06 blaise lol
23:06 blaise exio4: why not get them to speak pig latin?
23:06 exio4 blaise: I gave up on learning german "easily", so I now go for esperanto which is way easier, that way I learn other languages easier over time
23:06 exio4 blaise: how is esperanto not a real language?
23:07 blaise it's a constructed language
23:07 exio4 so what? all languages are constructed
23:07 exio4 it also evolved, but in a regular way
23:07 blaise that's like saying clingon is a native tung
23:07 rubenwardy Awesome, Jordach
23:07 PenguinDad exio4: Why not learn Interlingua? :P
23:07 rubenwardy Esperanto is a real language, but is just planned.
23:08 blaise it's not a natively spoken one though
23:08 rubenwardy "A language is a complex system of communication"
23:08 rubenwardy It could be, blaise.
23:09 blaise from the land of esperansa?
23:09 rubenwardy natively means learned from birth, no
23:09 rubenwardy ?
23:09 blaise also a fictional place in quite a few fantacy novels
23:09 exio4 there are bilingual childs in monolingual countries
23:10 blaise native from birth would mean from birth placve
23:10 blaise place
23:10 blaise a language that was developed over time due to seperation from the parent society
23:11 exio4 there are native spanish speakers in non-spanish speaking countries, because the parents speak it, does that make them non-native spanish speakers?
23:11 blaise that it does
23:11 Megaf rubenwardy: https://github.com/Megaf/Respon​siveGame/blob/master/README.md
23:11 Megaf !title
23:11 MinetestBot Megaf: ResponsiveGame/README.md at master · Megaf/ResponsiveGame · GitHub
23:11 Megaf And if someone could check my spelling please
23:11 blaise but if they learned espanyowza first, then it's their primary language
23:11 rubenwardy I see
23:12 rubenwardy The game itself tries to give the user a very responsive experience, with little delays and lag. It will also give highr framerates.
23:12 exio4 are you saying a bilingual child is "impossible" because there is always a first-language and a second-language?
23:13 exio4 I don't get whatever you are talking about, my cousin can speak english (mum's language) and spanish (dad's language) both very well
23:14 exio4 is anyone here taking bibrain?
23:15 JohnnyComeL8ly Um, I don't have a clue as to what you are talking about, but what you were trying to argue before was hogwash...
23:18 * Jordach pokes Sokomine
23:21 * Jordach starts wildly laughing
23:22 * PenguinDad rofls at his typo
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23:22 Jordach >gold ingot >named silver ingot
23:22 Jordach dammit
23:28 Megaf LazyJ: git pull on ResponsiveGame, new textures!
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23:39 exio4 I want my UPS and case ;_;
23:41 Megaf LazyJ: I will revert that
23:41 PenguinDad exio4: UPS == Unlimited Porn Supply? :P
23:41 exio4 I already have an unlimited porn supply
23:41 exio4 it is called internet
23:42 LazyJ Megaf, let me know when it's ready for another test run.
23:42 Megaf LazyJ: you can test it right now
23:42 LazyJ Ok. Will do.
23:42 Megaf if you do a git pull now you will be able to test the new texure
23:43 Megaf However, Im reverting to old texture
23:44 LazyJ Ok, I'll wait till the textures are settled then.
23:48 * Jordach 's BFD becomes the first MT Subgame with different door materials
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23:50 PenguinDad D:
23:51 Jordach no more goddamn oak doors everywhere
23:51 PenguinDad Jordach: how could you touch such a holy thing!
23:51 Jordach fuck yo rules, and yo standards
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23:53 Megaf Jordach: my subgame doesnt have doors
23:54 Jordach 0.3.x ;3
23:54 kaeza homedecor did it first. go back to your cave
23:55 JohnnyComeL8ly Stop the cussing...
23:55 Jordach kaeza, most moretrees still don't
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23:55 marktraceur Yay cussing
23:55 marktraceur #yolo #fuckcensorship #stinsonrules
23:55 JohnnyComeL8ly I don't think that the admins would agree...
23:55 Jordach marktraceur, run 1 click north, then east, then south, then west with going tracuer :3
23:56 kaeza you lost me at #yolo
23:56 Jordach you'll trace a square :3
23:56 * Jordach is a pun machine
23:56 PenguinDad Oh my fucking god!
23:56 PenguinDad A pun machine!
23:56 marktraceur ++PenguinDad
23:56 Jordach seriously, these new doors are adoorable ;3
23:57 JohnnyComeL8ly I guess I wasted my words...
23:57 kaeza ShadowBot, karma PenguinDad
23:57 ShadowBot kaeza: PenguinDad has neutral karma.
23:57 kaeza PenguinDad++
23:57 kaeza ShadowBot, karma PenguinDad
23:57 ShadowBot kaeza: Karma for "PenguinDad" has been increased 1 time and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 1.
23:57 marktraceur kaeza: It doesn't like prefices? :)
23:57 PenguinDad <3 kaeza
23:57 Megaf Jordach: add them to my subgame!
23:57 kaeza looks like nope
23:57 * Jordach is not your slave in IDE
23:57 kaeza marktraceur, ask ShadowNinja :)
23:57 Megaf ShadowBot: karma PenguinDad
23:57 ShadowBot Megaf: Karma for "PenguinDad" has been increased 1 time and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 1.
23:58 Jordach PenguinDad++
23:58 marktraceur Jordach: I really like doors, my continued minetest play hinged on their inclusion
23:58 Megaf ShadowBot: karma MinetestBot
23:58 ShadowBot Megaf: MinetestBot has neutral karma.
23:58 * Jordach readies a high five
23:58 Megaf lol
23:58 kaeza dat pun
23:58 Megaf ShadowBot: karma MinetestBot
23:58 ShadowBot Megaf: MinetestBot has neutral karma.
23:58 * marktraceur unleashes high five on Jordach
23:58 Jordach :D

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