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03:20 * H-H-H is trying to run a windows steam game on windows steam via wine lol and its having none of it
03:20 Jordan4ibanez What game?
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09:34 JamesTait Good morning all; happy World Architecture Day! :-D
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11:07 Zeno` time traveller!
11:07 Zeno` it's him, it's him!
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13:09 Eatlama Hey quick question. What's the best way to tail the Minetest log file?
13:10 Eatlama I've tried PowerShell's built in tailing ability, but I don't think it works with how the log file gets written to.
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13:51 kaeza mornings
13:53 marktraceur kaeza: Aren't they fun
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14:16 hisforever Hi I have a person that put huge trees Right up to my property and the trees are going into my Castle I built What can I do about it?
14:19 PilzAdam hisforever, fire
14:19 jin_xi be careful ;)
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14:19 shadowzone fire, protection and more fire.
14:21 hisforever Shadowzonw are you an Admin in VanessaW sim?
14:22 catninja hisforever: a moat with lava
14:23 Trixar_za Oo
14:23 Trixar_za That could work
14:23 hisforever ok ty Trixar
14:24 Trixar_za thank catninja
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14:34 Trixar_za What's the best way to give users the ability to protect their own build area?
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14:35 shadowzone I am a moderator.
14:35 shadowzone Trixar_za: the markers mod made by Sokomine and ShadowNinja's area's mod.
14:37 Trixar_za So you use it with areas?
14:42 shadowzone You could
14:42 shadowzone Well
14:42 shadowzone I don't really know
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14:50 Trixar_za Never used it?
14:50 Trixar_za I just downloaded CiaranG's fork and applied crazyginger72 fix to it.
14:51 Trixar_za Seriously - pull request :|
14:51 shadowzone I've used it.
14:52 PenguinDad I think I'm killing youtube's algorithms :/
14:53 kaeza youkiller
14:55 PenguinDad Get snowscoped Youtube! :D
14:59 Trixar_za ... I have the worst urge to wedgy LazyJ
14:59 marktraceur Trixar_za: Forcing them to swirly you, and then the cycle begins. Where does the violence end!?!?!?!
15:00 Trixar_za No, I just a real hatred of people that use adfly
15:05 Trixar_za And he rants about it. Yeah, there isn't a thing like a free lunch, but it still doesn't excuse the use of adfly. Next you'll make people fill out surveys, right? :|
15:05 Trixar_za le grr
15:06 PenguinDad Trixar_za: do you also hate people who use gadfly? :P
15:06 hisforever Where's a good place to get skins?
15:06 Trixar_za Yes - any ad service that makes you wait :|
15:07 Trixar_za Mostly just because the timer tends to break with some browsers (especially on mobiles) and if you reload, it tends to start over - with MORE time added to the clock.
15:07 PenguinDad Trixar_za: fyi I was talking about this gadfly https://github.com/dcjones/Gadfly.jl
15:08 Trixar_za In that case no
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15:10 Trixar_za Also Julia looks interesting
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15:32 hisforever VanessaE are you Here?
15:34 VanessaE hi
15:34 hisforever heres the link to new skinhttp://novask.in/461657
15:35 * VanessaE is watching the ESA feed for the Rosetta mission - it's landing on comet 67P soon, less than an hour!
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15:36 VanessaE hisforever: ok.  also, I see why the other skin didn't work now.  looks like it was a 1.8-formatted skin.
15:36 hisforever at your convience Vanessa I can wait
15:36 VanessaE saved the new one.
15:36 VanessaE it'll be available in the morning.
15:37 hisforever ok ty
15:39 * PenguinDad is watching xkcd1446.org
15:40 VanessaE http://new.livestream.com/esa/cometlanding
15:42 zlsa I was going to link it here but PenguinDad already did...
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16:07 VanessaE TOUCHDOWN - Philae has landed
16:07 VanessaE Wow
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16:16 PenguinDad zomfg we now have the proof that harpoons work on comets!
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16:18 VanessaE PenguinDad: well they were screws actually :P
16:18 VanessaE so ESA scientists screwed a comet :P
16:19 PenguinDad s/harpoons/screws/ then
16:20 kaeza hah
16:21 * sfan5 meows at kaeza
16:21 * kaeza purrs
16:21 Trixar_za Oo
16:21 Trixar_za Well, I bet you that will be Rule 34'd in the next hour
16:21 kaeza <_<
16:22 PenguinDad eee​w
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16:26 VanessaE Trixar_za: NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
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16:42 Trixar_za Wait - it took 10 years to do this?
16:42 Trixar_za Would have been really bad if they messed it up :|
16:43 VanessaE Trixar_za: they're reporting having problems getting the anchors to deploy :-/
16:43 VanessaE I think they are talking about the harpoons
16:43 VanessaE first pictures in situ expected in an hour
16:43 Trixar_za So the comet is playing hard to get? Oo
16:44 VanessaE heh
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16:45 sfan5 !op
16:46 sfan5 huh
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16:47 Pearl1 Calinou:  Hi :) Can I ask you something ?
16:47 sfan5 !op
16:47 Calinou don't ask to ask :(
16:47 Pearl1 calinou: oh shit sory :D
16:47 PenguinDad Pearl1: Please Don't ask to ask :(
16:47 Calinou hi PenguinDad :)
16:47 sfan5 !deop
16:48 PenguinDad Hey Calinou
16:48 proller wow! i'm free!
16:48 Pearl1 I haver big big problems of conversion on an old map. Orientation pbs. DO you know it sometims don't work ?
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16:52 Pearl1 Calinou: I have big big problems of conversion on an old map with moreblocks. Orientation pbs. Do you know it sometimes don't work ?some nodes appears "not defined"/unknow, some other appears horizontal instaed of vertical
16:55 Xack hi Calinou :)
16:56 Calinou proller, free! miner!
16:56 Calinou Pearl1, add “legacy_facedir_simple = true” to chest and furnace definitions, “legacy_wallmounted = true” to torch and ladder definitions
16:57 Calinou in mods/default/nodes.lua
16:57 Calinou oh
16:57 proller * now with stat ;_
16:57 Calinou I thought you were talking about 0.3-era worlds
16:57 Calinou Pearl1, go to mods/moreblocks/stairsplus, open init.lua with a text editor
16:58 Pearl1 Calinou: lol no. I even don't know what's that :D
16:58 Calinou uncomment the last 3 lines
16:58 Calinou OK, here is the new init.lua
16:58 Calinou http://paste.ubuntu.com/8967540/
16:58 Calinou replace all the contents of the old init.lua of stairsplus (not More Blocks' root folder, the stairsplus folder inside) with that
16:58 Xack you alright, Calinou?
16:59 Pearl1 calinou: i've dont that. But problems persist
16:59 Pearl1 calinou: *done
16:59 Calinou then there may be nothing to do apart of spamming screwdriver.
16:59 Calinou I had to break backwards compatibility to make the number of nodes less insane
16:59 Pearl1 argh ! :S
16:59 Calinou Sokomine has a tool that makes it easier to mass-rotate nodes
17:00 Pearl1 calinou: sure, i understand. And the game's change etc
17:00 Pearl1 calinou: ok thanks , i will check that
17:01 catninja Catalania should be on the public serverlist now but I cannot see it, would anyone mind checking? (Lord of the test server, not Oldcoders)
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17:06 Sokomine Pearl1: yes. it's called "replacer". it can store node type and orientation if you shift+rightclick on a node. any subsequent left-clicks will replace the node you clicked on with the stored pattern and orientation. it's mostly useful for doing things like roofs, long staircases, walls out of panels etc
17:08 Pearl1 Sokomine: great ! thank you. I will dl it
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17:17 Amaz Does Minetest still support compiled lua for mods? https://forum.minetest.net/v​iewtopic.php?p=29978#p29978 (I've tried, but it's throwing an error...)
17:18 Trixar_za It's funny how often the name ends with ia when it comes to made up lands
17:18 Trixar_za I even named mine Trixaria
17:19 Calinou Equestria!
17:19 PenguinDad Amaz: it does but only when not using luajit afaik
17:19 Calinou I think LuaJIT is fast enough already
17:19 Calinou if not, make better mods ;)
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17:19 Amaz Ah, okay.
17:19 Amaz :P
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17:24 Calinou how do I override, using an alias, another node definition?
17:24 catninja OldCoder: I seem to have trouble to connecting to your servers on a network that has ipv6
17:26 ShadowNinja Amaz: Why would you use compiled Lua?
17:27 catninja VanessaE: is your servers down or is it me?
17:27 Amaz Just as an experiment!
17:27 ElectronLibre Calinou: Override with minetest.override_item, or by writing a : before modname in the definition.
17:27 VanessaE catninja: no?
17:27 Amaz (Also, a friend wanted to make a mod, but not allow the source code to go public, not sure why...)
17:27 VanessaE [11-12 12:28] <VanessaE> VE-Realtest: cmd status
17:27 VanessaE [11-12 12:28] <VE-Realtest> # Server: version=0.4.10-dev, uptime=39008.8, max_lag=0.343332, clients={} \n # Server: Welcome to VanessaE's Realtest server!  Using Minetest 0.4.9.  Read the server's rules at http://bit.ly/1aAYdnR
17:27 ShadowNinja Amaz: Alright, the only advantages are that it loads (not runs) slightly faster, and it's harder to read/edit.
17:28 Amaz Yep.
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17:29 Calinou I'd like to make just an alias
17:29 ShadowNinja Amaz: We definitely won't accept anything closed-source though because it can't be verified to be non-malicious or sane (well, not easily).
17:29 Trixar_za Oo
17:29 Calinou I need to rename nodes to the same name in order to be able to stack them on inventory
17:29 Calinou interpreted for the win
17:29 Calinou don't use compiled for mods
17:29 Amaz Yeah, I'm not sure why he wanted to do it :P
17:29 Calinou probably just curiosityt
17:29 Calinou -t
17:29 Trixar_za It says it's using MineTest 0.4.9, but the server version is 0.4.10-dev?
17:30 catninja VanessaE: how strange, wonder if it's the same problem as with Oldcoders servers. Could be strange settings on this network, wrong country or my fault.
17:30 ShadowNinja Trixar_za: Minetest*
17:30 exio4 what is kinda sucky is that Lua doesn't have a nice type system
17:30 exio4 and no, I am not talking about a type system like Java's or C++'s
17:31 exio4 I am talking about an ML like type system
17:31 ShadowNinja exio4: Agreed, metatables allow for basic classes, but a more complete system would be nice.
17:31 VanessaE Trixar_za: it's called "vanessa is too lazy to update her motd :P"
17:31 exio4 ShadowNinja: I am not talking about classes
17:31 exio4 but things like algebraic data types would be beautifula
17:31 exio4 but things like algebraic data types would be beautiful
17:31 Amaz He says he wanted to not allow the source code to be readable because it was for an adventure mod, and contains clues for the adventure in it.
17:32 Trixar_za VanessaE: I think I know that well. I think this laziness may be contagious :P
17:32 exio4 ShadowNinja: have you played with Haskell?
17:32 ShadowNinja Amaz: You can still find the clues by checking the bytecode (luac -t or so lists it nicely).
17:32 ShadowNinja exio4: Nope.
17:32 Trixar_za exio4: True, but I learned Lua in like 2 minutes, so it's not a bad language
17:32 exio4 F#? OCaml? SML? Racket?
17:33 Trixar_za In fact I've been messing with mods. First I got addicted to adding them, now I'm modding them. When will the madness end? Oo
17:33 Amaz He says he just wanted to make it harder. Not impossible, but harder.
17:33 exio4 Trixar_za: that is a lie
17:33 ShadowNinja Amaz: Make the mod open-source and store the clues in a mildly-encrypted file (base64'd Lua or something)
17:33 exio4 you didn't learn it in 2 minutes, you _started writing code_ after 2 minutes
17:33 Calinou that's complete bullshit Amaz; code should be readable if we want to
17:33 Calinou encryption is also silly
17:33 Calinou people don't have to read the source
17:34 ShadowNinja exio4: Nope, none.
17:34 Calinou (but also… if you're playing on a server, you don't get any of the source…)
17:34 VanessaE there. motd's adjusted, pending the next restart.
17:34 Amaz The clues are in the code by default.
17:34 Trixar_za exio4: Same difference. Read some example code and then coded in it. To me that counts as learning :P
17:34 Xack hi :)
17:34 exio4 ShadowNinja: check LYAH, it is a beautiful language
17:34 exio4 Trixar_za: learning it is when you can use it for something not trivial
17:34 ElectronLibre Hello Xack.
17:34 exio4 (I would say)
17:34 ShadowNinja Calinou: Yes, but you're at least safe from rogue mods.
17:35 Trixar_za exio4: then I've never written a program in my life.
17:35 exio4 Trixar_za: \o/
17:35 exio4 that is why we're still learning
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17:36 exio4 http://learnyouahaskell.com/
17:40 Amaz As I said, it wasn't me who wanted to know, but a friend :)
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17:47 Calinou evil friend :(
17:47 Amaz Not really :P
17:48 Amaz He just doesn't really get open source... I tried to explain, but he asked me to ask!
17:48 Calinou don't bother then
17:48 Amaz XD
17:49 Calinou this is like dealing with this: http://users.kymp.net/feuer/etcomic/046.jpg
17:49 Amaz XD
17:53 Jordach :o
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17:53 Jordach http://brackets.io/
17:54 Trixar_za A lot of people don't get open source. Some people in open source don't get open source.
17:54 rubenwardy Yes
17:55 rubenwardy so true
17:55 exio4 are we talking about open source or free software?
17:55 PenguinDad Jordach: even with that editor I will still suck at web design :P
17:55 exio4 because they are different, and most people confuse them too
17:57 Trixar_za Open Source. Free Software is something totally different. You can normally sell free software under the terms of the GPL
17:57 Trixar_za That last part tends to piss off a lot of people
17:59 Trixar_za Now that I mention it, license issues tend to come up a lot with Open Source.
18:01 Trixar_za I tend to just use Public Domain, WTFL or CC0 myself since I can't be bothered with it.
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18:06 Calinou exio4, terms are not strictly interchangeable but usually can be applied to the same things.
18:06 exio4 Calinou: that is like saying cars and trucks are the same
18:06 Jordach just because they share an engine doesn't mean they can pull the same weight or cargo
18:07 exio4 yeah, they are basically things with engines, and can carry stuff
18:09 Krock Public Domain is not a good license
18:09 rubenwardy Public domain is not a license, technically
18:10 Krock >http://brackets.io/ -> "Windows XP wird von uns leider nicht mehr unterstützt." damn.
18:11 * PenguinDad laughs at Krock
18:11 Calinou where did I say they were t he same, exio4 ?
18:11 exio4 Calinou: "can be applied to the same things"
18:11 Krock but well, Notepad++ does that job too
18:11 exio4 that is like saying a truck can carry what a car does
18:12 Calinou ie. almost all “open source” is free software and almost all free software is open source
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18:12 exio4 so what
18:13 exio4 almost all users use windows, and all windows computer have users, so users and windows can be used for roughly the same
18:13 rubenwardy !title https://gist.github.com/rube​nwardy/ca265e7405952b6031f5
18:13 MinetestBot rubenwardy: Create CMakeLists
18:13 Krock This needs a headdesk: https://forum.minetest.net/posting.php?m​ode=quote&amp;f=11&amp;p=161574#pr161574
18:14 Krock rubenwardy, <3
18:16 Calinou http://paste.ubuntu.com/8968832/
18:16 Calinou we love SirCampPown.
18:16 Calinou . . . . .
18:16 PenguinDad Krock: that post by Topywo is 9 months old so don't think that he'll read that post  :P
18:16 Krock PenguinDad, you get to the last post after posting a post
18:16 Krock so you can read the posts on top of it
18:17 PenguinDad Krock: I know that...
18:18 rubenwardy Wow
18:18 rubenwardy Calinou: he is sounding like a copyright capitalist fanatic
18:19 Calinou I'm entirely sick of him
18:19 Calinou in before people tell me to fork
18:19 Calinou (he already did)
18:19 rubenwardy The poison of this world; thoughtless people with no effics
18:19 rubenwardy What is it about?
18:19 Calinou he added a non-free music
18:21 rubenwardy To what?
18:21 rubenwardy * ethics
18:24 Calinou to MediaCrush
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18:27 stakewinner00 Calinou: wait, anime music is cool :P
18:27 rubenwardy You what?
18:27 Jordach Calinou: incapable of 2 sided conversation on licensing and ethics
18:28 rubenwardy I like some anime, but I don't do hardcore stuff
18:29 rubenwardy Naruto is as far as I go
18:29 Calinou Jordach, why would I?
18:29 Calinou the point is not to serve everyone warm water
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18:30 exio4 it makes look like you are a child trolling
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18:31 SergioAD Hello
18:32 Trixar_za rubenwardy: I have some bad news for you...
18:33 rubenwardy Fixed https://gist.github.com/rube​nwardy/ca265e7405952b6031f5
18:34 SergioAD I have recentlly promoted by OldCoder from a simple user to an admin on the Openmine server, and because the mods what we want use I will need to regenerate the land but OldCoder does not want to reset it at all, he want keep the buildings: there is a form to regenerate the land keeping the buildings?
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18:34 rubenwardy Yes, Trixar_za?
18:34 Jordach SergioAD, there isn't
18:35 Trixar_za rubenwardy: Naruto - the manga has ended. The Anime will soon follow :(
18:35 SergioAD I see
18:35 rubenwardy Oh yes :(
18:36 twoelk SergioAD: what mod do you need to regenerate for?
18:36 OldCoder SergioAD, that is still under discussion
18:36 exio4 microsoft opensourced .NET
18:36 OldCoder Trixar_za, Did they finally destroy Hidden Leaf Village?
18:37 * OldCoder eagerly awaits news of the end of that place
18:37 SergioAD I see
18:37 exio4 \o/ I am starting to like microsoft
18:37 exio4 they support programming languages research, F#, they opensource .NET
18:37 SergioAD OldCoder not create a ew server with not mobs carbone textures default acces list and your inventory of Lold of the test? there is not a form to regenerate the land with not destroying the buildings
18:37 OldCoder Trixar_za, tell me that Sasuke stopped moping around, got down to business, and scrubbed the ground bare
18:37 Calinou Microsoft still makes a lot of grievious stuff, exio4
18:38 OldCoder SergioAD, I will not allow the buildings to be destroyed. They can be preserved as I explained to you...
18:38 Trixar_za Well, I only read up until he beat his brother
18:38 Jordach exio4, i started like MS once they made OneDrive to support all mobile platforms and Linux is coming
18:38 Trixar_za Which then promptly died. Also apparently he's a live again. It's like a soap opera
18:38 Jordach Word Online also works properly
18:38 SergioAD yes, that is why I suggest make a new empety server
18:38 Trixar_za alive*
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18:38 exio4 Calinou: they support research, help to build opensource programming languages (F#, indirectly Haskell), and they are starting to become opensource-friendly
18:38 OldCoder SergioAD, a world can be regenerated from the same seed, then the buildings can be put back
18:38 OldCoder Trixar_za, whats his name was quite dead
18:39 miner59 hi, do you think you can add a exit button to a chest? I tried but it didn't work
18:39 ElectronLibre miner56: What would that button do?
18:39 OldCoder SergioAD, actually, all you and DMan need to do is give me the exact coords of the corners of buildings
18:39 ElectronLibre *miner59 sorry
18:39 Krock miner59, double-click outside
18:39 Calinou that does not make them ethical
18:39 OldCoder SergioAD, I can then put them back myself
18:39 SergioAD OK
18:39 Calinou they are still part of the GAFAM
18:39 Jordach tl;dr Calinou's mindframe is outdated with the new MS
18:39 miner59 for someone with an ipad
18:39 Calinou no it isn't
18:39 Krock miner59, double-tab outside
18:40 Calinou miner59, iOS mobile clients are illegal and not made by us
18:40 Jordach miner59, your client is illegal
18:40 twoelk Trixar_za: why not just add a new spawn some thousands of nodes away?
18:40 Calinou so play on a PC
18:40 OldCoder Calinou, I am a Carbonou user. Continue to make it fast.
18:40 miner59 lol
18:40 Calinou I'm not sure, OldCoder¿
18:40 exio4 Calinou: they are not perfect gods, but they are walking to the bright side
18:40 SergioAD PS: can help me to get interact? your server is full of violent mobs
18:40 rubenwardy !g GAFAM
18:40 MinetestBot rubenwardy: http://www.infos-mobiles.com/amazon/g​afam-google-apple-facebook-amazon-mic​rosoft-lequel-le-plus-fortune/62018
18:40 OldCoder Calinou, Not sure of what?
18:40 Calinou they are clearly not
18:40 Calinou rubenwardy, Google, Apple, Facebook, Amazon, Microsoft
18:40 OldCoder SergioAD, find "DMan" and meet me; I just need certain coords
18:41 Calinou I have other, funnier names if you wish
18:41 Trixar_za Oh and hi OldCoder. Now we're idling in two places together :P
18:41 miner59 are you joking? I have no idea why they should be illegal
18:41 OldCoder Trixar_za, I am not idling; I am an op here
18:41 rubenwardy Yeah XD
18:41 Jordach miner59, the open source license that minetest is under is not followed with the iOS clients
18:41 SergioAD Ok I will go to meet him
18:42 OldCoder Trixar_za, it is a reprehensible soap opera. Tell me when Sasuke arrives to erase them from history.
18:42 * OldCoder is not a "fan" of those characters
18:42 Trixar_za You'd probably enjoy the guro h manga about it
18:42 OldCoder What is that?
18:43 OldCoder A fan story regarding the destruction of Hidden Leaf?
18:43 miner59 it is a little children, i have a pc
18:43 Xack Calinou: hi?
18:43 Trixar_za More selling characters into slavery and killing them when they've been 'used' up
18:44 * PenguinDad meows at Xack
18:44 Xack hi PenguinDad :)
18:44 rubenwardy I am only on episode 12 of Naruto Shippidon
18:44 * ElectronLibre wonders why a Penguin meows.
18:44 Trixar_za My morbid curiosity kicked in and I went through it. Honestly, it was tame compared to some of the guro stuff I've read and played. (I really should stop listening to my one friend - she has weird tastes...)
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18:45 * shadowzone meows anyways
18:45 PenguinDad ElectronLibre: I learned a foreign language :P
18:46 twoelk guro and weird tastes, sounds like breeding nightmares
18:46 Trixar_za and that just gave me another flash back :(
18:47 Calinou another HTML 5 back
18:47 cg72 left #minetest
18:48 Trixar_za But yeah - she's one of the girls I've never been interested in even though she's hot. She literally scares the crap out of me.
18:48 twoelk thinking of morbid weird taste somehow Tim Burton creeps up on me
18:48 rubenwardy !c 'HTML 5' > 'Flash'
18:48 MinetestBot True
18:48 rubenwardy ^ MinetestBot knows stuff
18:49 * ElectronLibre likes the way Calinou change "flash" by "HTML5"
18:50 SergioAD OldCoder the server seems to be empety
18:51 ElectronLibre This bot is the knowledge incarnated rubenwardy :).
18:51 SergioAD I do not find any player tag anybody responds me...
18:52 twoelk SergioAD: type /status to be sure
18:52 SergioAD OK
18:52 Xack Calinou: :O
18:52 Xack they
18:52 Xack open sourced
18:52 Xack .NET
18:52 rubenwardy Any suggestions for an open source license which avoids a Globeminner situation?
18:53 SergioAD yes I am the only person here
18:53 Trixar_za Globeminner?
18:53 exio4 I already said it here Xack
18:53 PenguinDad eee​w .NET
18:53 Calinou Xack, WE KNOW
18:54 Calinou (write this with wooden planks in your favourite world)
18:54 Calinou rubenwardy, none?
18:54 SergioAD I tried to find life here untill the 1:00 AM and are the 12:54 here on Mexico
18:54 Trixar_za Maybe try a different server?
18:55 Trixar_za I made my server public for like 5 minutes and had it filled to capacity. This was also when I learned what griefing was
18:55 SergioAD Trixar_za: I am one of the admins here and I need to find other admin I think we will need to make the new server, the carbone textures are amazing b
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18:56 SergioAD but the HUD and tools quicklist are ugly, for these ones I suggest use the classic ones, for the cursor and inventory I recommend the ones present on the Lord of the test server
18:57 Trixar_za I've been hearing about carbone, but I've never actually seen it
18:57 SergioAD making one from scratch will be harder for the two but will be awesome
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18:57 Trixar_za Also I learned the hard way what a memory hog having too many mods and mobs can be
18:58 Calinou it's obvious
18:58 Calinou here's how Carbone looks: https://mediacru.sh/1a6bae839b92
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18:59 SergioAD OldCoder also if we do this server I grat you the freedom to add your favorite mods to make better the gaming experience :D
19:00 SergioAD on the zip what I have share to you yesterday has a mony mod for payments :)
19:00 Calinou a pony mod for payments
19:01 SergioAD the ice and magma tools are awesome, I like them
19:02 Xack aw fak u exio4
19:02 OldCoder SergioAD, pony is mony
19:02 SergioAD when I said to my friends about our work OldCoder they became excited becase of the innovations on this server
19:02 OldCoder SergioAD, you don't have any original content. But we will proceed if you will assist.
19:02 Trixar_za Calinou: Doesn't look all that different from base
19:02 OldCoder I need the coords of all of the buildings on Openmine. Just two coords for each building.
19:02 Trixar_za Well, except for the 3D torches
19:02 OldCoder One coord should give the lowest X Y Z corner
19:03 OldCoder Lowest number for each
19:03 SergioAD Ok how can I do that?
19:03 OldCoder One coord should give the highest X Y Z corner
19:03 OldCoder Highest number for each
19:03 OldCoder Just two is all needed; do you understand so far?
19:03 SergioAD yes
19:03 OldCoder Do you know how to display coords?
19:03 OldCoder Press F5 on PC
19:03 SergioAD OK
19:04 OldCoder I will grant you fly. You only need to do this:
19:04 Calinou Trixar_za, play it and see :P
19:04 OldCoder #1 Fly to each building
19:04 SergioAD there are many buildings
19:04 OldCoder SergioAD, poor ones are not important
19:04 Trixar_za Calinou: Address?
19:04 OldCoder #1 Fly to each building
19:04 Calinou there are a few servers with it
19:04 Calinou but you should download it and play singleplayer
19:04 SergioAD Ok
19:04 OldCoder #2 Find lowest X Y Z numbers and highest X Y Z numbers
19:04 Calinou http://servers.minetest.net/
19:04 Calinou search “carbone”
19:04 OldCoder #3 Report two coords to me
19:05 OldCoder That is all
19:05 OldCoder I will grant you fly and teleport
19:05 OldCoder And noclip
19:05 OldCoder Remember to sink down a little if necessary to get foundation
19:05 SergioAD Ok thanks :)
19:05 OldCoder SergioAD, the rest is up to you
19:06 SergioAD Ok OldCoder
19:06 SergioAD do you know if there are many houser?
19:06 Trixar_za OldCoder: what is silvercrab?
19:07 OldCoder SergioAD, wait briefly
19:07 SergioAD Ok
19:07 OldCoder Trixar_za, Silvercrab is a fork of Redcrab created at the request of oOChainLynxOo
19:07 OldCoder Trixar_za, Redcrab went down for weeks and we know it is dying
19:07 OldCoder Trixar_za, so I traded a photo of Jaykee's kitty cat for the world
19:07 Trixar_za That makes even less sense to me - lol - what's different about it?
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19:08 OldCoder I gathered five captures and merged them
19:08 OldCoder Trixar_za, it is apparently one of the largest, oldest, and most venerable worlds
19:08 OldCoder SergioAD, wait a few minutes, IRC is not started for Openmine
19:08 OldCoder Need to debug that
19:08 SergioAD Ok :)
19:10 SergioAD say me when you are ready, I am on the first building, please explain me via IRC - server wich numbers are the couds (I think there are the seed butI do not know :D)
19:10 SergioAD my first admin time
19:11 OldCoder SergioAD, Hi
19:11 OldCoder SergioAD, indicate when here
19:11 SergioAD ???
19:12 Trixar_za OldCoder: I'm way too new at this to actually know or care about size and age Oo
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19:12 OldCoder Trixar_za, you can understand that an online world may be old or new
19:13 OldCoder SergioAD, are you present here in this channel? That is what I ment
19:13 OldCoder meant *
19:14 Trixar_za OldCoder: I take it SergioAD just setup a server with you? That's just the vibe I'm getting :P
19:14 OldCoder No he did not
19:14 OldCoder He has no involvement yet but may
19:14 OldCoder What happened was this
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19:15 OldCoder I set up an open creative world to test Calinou Carbone. There was too much griefing. I decided to shut down the world.
19:15 OldCoder But even though it was just a week or two old I received requests to keep it
19:15 OldCoder We therefore have mod and admin positions open
19:15 OldCoder SergioAD came to me asking for a new world
19:16 OldCoder And of course he had zero content
19:16 OldCoder Nothing original
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19:16 OldCoder For 2.5 years it is usually "give me an empty world it will be cool"
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19:16 OldCoder Nobody wants to simply build on an existing world
19:16 OldCoder They want little empty worlds of their own
19:17 OldCoder Surely it makes more sense to have 100s of little empty worlds than a few large and busy ones
19:17 OldCoder That is the reasoning
19:17 OldCoder D:
19:17 Trixar_za Speaking of which - I found mods that can generate whole villages - it's weird (and buggy - but mostly weird)
19:17 OldCoder I told SergioAD he could have admin on that world
19:17 OldCoder But he wants particular ores
19:17 OldCoder So I need to regenerate
19:17 OldCoder If he comes back explain that I waited but he did not come
19:17 OldCoder I need to rest now
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19:18 Trixar_za OldCoder: If I'm still here, sure.
19:18 OldCoder I don't know the purposes of those villages
19:18 OldCoder Sokomine mod right?
19:18 SergioAD I am on the fist buildig, advice me on the game when you get the IRC chanel communications open to the server, I will need indications of where is exactlly the courds :)
19:18 OldCoder SergioAD, I restarted
19:18 Trixar_za OldCoder: Yeah
19:18 OldCoder Are you still logged in?
19:18 Calinou OldCoder, don't grant interact by default
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19:18 OldCoder Calinou, I do NOT usually
19:19 Calinou tell people to use areas locks
19:19 SergioAD yes :D I will restart
19:19 OldCoder This was a test of YOUR _game :-) Calinou
19:19 OldCoder Calinou, and kids hate areas too complicated
19:19 Calinou it is not areas
19:19 Calinou you place a damn area lock block
19:19 Calinou it locks 25³ area
19:19 Calinou it's that easy
19:19 Calinou like PreciousStones in Minecraft
19:19 OldCoder What is with the "damn" be polite I was testing YOUR _game
19:19 Calinou many people use that just fine there
19:19 OldCoder What is with the "damn" be polite I was testing YOUR _game
19:20 Calinou “area lock” is just a fancy term for “protector”
19:20 * OldCoder is now migrating to Carbone so be polite
19:20 Calinou sorry
19:20 OldCoder See above
19:20 OldCoder Indeed D:
19:20 Calinou clearly not in a good mood right now
19:20 Calinou sick of constantly fighting with people
19:20 OldCoder Nope
19:20 OldCoder Then don't
19:20 Calinou and being banned from everywhere
19:20 OldCoder ??
19:20 OldCoder How has that happened?
19:20 Trixar_za OldCoder: Mind you, I've always been a weird player. Other people came for the crafting and building, I came for exploring caves and stuff. Other people came for effects created by mods - I mess with the mods to get the effects I want.
19:20 OldCoder Trixar_za, I would like to see a world by *you*
19:21 OldCoder Enough with the kids and their "I must be master of my own empty world; snap to it, servant!" :D
19:21 Trixar_za Hell, that explorer part is as old as my online gaming. In MUDs I walked head first into areas that got me killed. Had to beg higher level characters to go get my corpse
19:21 OldCoder Trixar_za, Ah. Let us talk about possibilities for Openmine or other worlds.
19:21 OldCoder You might like Moontest
19:21 SergioAD Ok grestarted
19:22 OldCoder SergioAD, first
19:22 SergioAD *restarted :D
19:22 OldCoder I'm not going to explain how to read coords
19:22 OldCoder Google for that or ask other players
19:22 OldCoder Press F5 on the PC and they should appear
19:22 OldCoder X Y Z
19:22 OldCoder Three numbers
19:22 OldCoder I do not even need coords for individual buildings!
19:22 OldCoder If buildings are close together I need just a region
19:22 SergioAD Ok thank you
19:23 OldCoder I need two coords and two only
19:23 OldCoder For each region or building
19:23 OldCoder The X Y Z at a lower corner that has the lowest X Y Z numbers
19:23 SergioAD Ok
19:23 OldCoder The X Y Z at an upper corner that has the highest X Y Z numbers
19:23 OldCoder Do you understand what I mean?
19:23 OldCoder If not find somebody to explain it I must rest
19:24 OldCoder Go to the world and I will grant some privs
19:26 rubenwardy !title http://rubenwardy.github.io/PuzzlePlatformer/
19:26 MinetestBot rubenwardy: Puzzle Platform
19:31 OldCoder I need to lie down. If people would like to help start a new world, somebody explain X Y Z coords to SergioAD
19:31 OldCoder He is googling and I don't have time for that
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19:31 Trixar_za Night OldCoder
19:31 OldCoder He is here and also logged in on Openmine: server minetest.org port 30023
19:32 OldCoder Not night Trixar_za lunch time but I have a thing that is tiring
19:32 OldCoder Medically
19:32 OldCoder I don't have the time to explain to him where to look for the coords
19:32 OldCoder Zzz
19:32 Trixar_za I just tired out my mind. I'm running on auto-pilot myself
19:32 OldCoder Nap, then
19:32 * OldCoder takes his own advice now
19:33 OldCoder Somebody talk to SergioAD on Openmine about coords
19:33 Trixar_za I can absorb large amount of information quickly, but I need to give it a day to process - also it gives me one hell of a headache :P
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19:34 rubenwardy https://github.com/rubenwardy/PuzzlePlatformer
19:34 rubenwardy XD
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19:43 rubenwardy Deleted that repo, as I'll think I will wait until it is better.
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19:43 SergioAD Hello again
19:44 SergioAD so somebody can host or create a brand new world for me?
19:45 SergioAD as I said before I like the OldCoder's Lord of the test inventory and cursor, I liked the Carbone textures and improvements (some of them allready present on my zip file)
19:46 SergioAD somebody with a powerfull what can support such server?
19:47 SergioAD I have not the mentioned game improvements (the mentioned inventories textures or cursor) but I have lots of mos
19:47 SergioAD somebody??? you will like it
19:48 * OldCoder laughs
19:48 OldCoder Done with rest
19:48 OldCoder SergioAD has just demonstrated what I was talking about before.
19:48 OldCoder I mean no offense to SergioAD
19:48 paramat comet during descent from 3km http://www.esa.int/spaceinimages/I​mages/2014/11/ROLIS_descent_image
19:48 SergioAD I see :/
19:48 OldCoder SergioAD, I was and remain prepared to assist you
19:49 OldCoder But you and most people expect to much. I asked you just now to learn the basics of the game...
19:49 OldCoder Instead you came here and begged for somebody else to give you a free empty world with no work on your part
19:49 SergioAD I see
19:49 OldCoder Is this an unreasonable assessment?
19:49 Jordach paramat, please don't make a mapgen that makes comets
19:50 Calinou it will happen anyway
19:50 OldCoder You were asked to learned about X Y Z coords and instead begged to have somebody else give you a server
19:50 SergioAD pardon me but I have not the knowentage about these things
19:50 OldCoder SergioAD, you are expected to learn
19:50 SergioAD yes
19:50 OldCoder It is basics of the game; let alone the responsibilities of a world admin
19:50 OldCoder How can you expect to run a world if you do not know the most fact elements?
19:50 SergioAD I see, I will put many effort
19:51 OldCoder And coming here to beg for another person to give you a world instead of learning does not bode well
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19:51 * Calinou is trying to get this: http://sourceforge.net/projects/nquake/
19:51 SergioAD yes, my fault
19:51 OldCoder It is suggested, SergioAD, politely, that you learn enough to work on your own mods, how to admin a world, and become experienced
19:51 OldCoder This is a long term project and perhaps you will go far
19:51 OldCoder But begging without offering things in trade is not useful
19:52 OldCoder Calinou, nquake?
19:52 OldCoder Calinou, and feel free to PM if you need somebody to talk to
19:52 paramat lol i have already
19:52 Krock CraigyDavi, boost_cart got some updates - I don't know if you want to update your game, just notify.
19:53 OldCoder Does anybody besides RBA know the sky mod? What *I* offer is a Solar System world
19:53 Krock sky mod?
19:53 OldCoder I am told that the sky mod could be configured or patched to change images
19:53 OldCoder Krock, moment
19:53 OldCoder I am using it on Moontest
19:54 OldCoder http://i749.photobucket.com/albums/xx13​2/Phantom1714/screenshot_2596135054.png
19:54 OldCoder No that does not show it
19:54 OldCoder Hold on
19:54 OldCoder Hm; I don't see a thread for the mod
19:55 OldCoder I'm using it, though; back shortly while I research
19:55 paramat \O/ a historic first bounce off a comet
19:55 SergioAD WOOOOOOOW are lots of commands
19:55 SergioAD I will nee to learm a lot :D
19:56 OldCoder http://minetest.org/skymod.zip
19:56 OldCoder Krock, ^
19:56 OldCoder Interesting, I can't find the source of the mod
19:56 Krock *downloads*
19:56 OldCoder But Sokomine and others are aware of it
19:57 OldCoder Looks like it will work dynamically
19:57 Krock ooh that one :D perfect to have this in my mod collection now
19:57 rubenwardy mediacru.sh is the best
19:57 OldCoder Sokomine suggests that I modify mapgen to put Mars, Titan, etc. on a plane
19:58 OldCoder Krock, perhaps you will comment, then...
19:58 stakewinner00 mmm compiling minetest -> lua/build/liblua.a(loslib.o): En la función `os_tmpname': loslib.c:(.text+0x28c): aviso: the use of `tmpnam' is dangerous, better use `mkstemp'
19:58 SergioAD OldCOder pardon me I was overwhelmed by all the things what an admin needs to do and all the commands what he need to know
19:58 OldCoder I had thought to put Mars at one level, Moon at another, Titan, etc.
19:58 Trixar_za Wait - so it will generate planetary landscapes?
19:58 OldCoder SergioAD, you really do not need to know that much
19:58 OldCoder Trixar_za, I have the Moon
19:58 Krock OldCoder, into a single world? this gets difficult
19:58 OldCoder I will prepare skys for other worlds
19:58 OldCoder Krock, no; Sokomine suggested what to do
19:58 OldCoder I think it might be easy
19:59 Krock okay
19:59 OldCoder Originally the idea was...
19:59 sfan5 stakewinner00: just ignore that, it's normal
19:59 OldCoder To generate or create flat planes, multiple, in Moontest
19:59 OldCoder And put Mars on a different level
19:59 Trixar_za Wouldn't a sky look stary on the moon even with a sun involved?
19:59 OldCoder Yes
19:59 SergioAD I have a question for you, which material you have used for the moontest crystal montains?
19:59 OldCoder But Sokomine says just modify mapgen
19:59 OldCoder SergioAD, No time to look it up right now
19:59 Trixar_za And on Titan you wouldn't see the sun at all
19:59 OldCoder But Sokomine says just modify mapgen
19:59 OldCoder Yes
20:00 Trixar_za It will also be raining methane
20:00 OldCoder But Sokomine says just modify mapgen to produce different blocks for different quadrants of the map
20:00 OldCoder This is possible, right?
20:00 SergioAD Ok
20:00 OldCoder I can use skymod to produce a different sky for each quadrant
20:00 OldCoder Result, 4 to 8 worlds in one map
20:00 OldCoder Trixar_za, Krock, Calinou, others, what do you think?
20:01 stakewinner00 sfan5: Ok.
20:01 Trixar_za So one map, but with different world variables - that should be interesting.
20:01 Krock It's a perfect idea
20:01 Trixar_za Not sure how you'll deal with gravity and physics changes though
20:01 OldCoder I will host a Solar System world
20:01 Calinou yes, would be Lua mapgens?
20:01 Krock but it could require.. uhm.. some work
20:01 OldCoder Trixar_za, I can write those
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20:01 OldCoder Calinou, should be a modified version of a standard mapgen
20:01 OldCoder Several people have said it will work
20:01 Calinou would need a C++ modification then
20:01 OldCoder Is there an alternative or is that the best approach?
20:02 OldCoder Isn't there a mapgen mod?
20:02 * OldCoder remembers one
20:03 Trixar_za I've seen several
20:03 OldCoder Then this should be possible, right?
20:03 OldCoder It mostly needs (1) sky mod changing sky at different locations (2) modified mapgen (3) some physics code and Moontest already has variable gravity
20:04 OldCoder So this seems quite doable
20:04 OldCoder Especially if there is a mod-based mapgen
20:04 OldCoder Shall I call this WorldTest instead of Moontest ?
20:04 OldCoder Imagine...
20:04 OldCoder You get in your little UFO on the Moon, fly east, and arrive on Mars
20:05 OldCoder Or take a travelnet to Pluto, which will be quite cold
20:05 Sokomine Krock: having diffrent worlds at diffrent heights ought to work. i'm not sure about the background image, and i don't have time for it :-( at least not right now
20:05 OldCoder Sokomine, didn't you suggest easier to put them all on the same plane?
20:05 OldCoder You were quite clear about this
20:06 OldCoder Sokomine, looking at the image code, that part seems easy
20:06 Sokomine Krock: the moontest world run by oldcoder has a beautiful background image which really makes you feel standing on a moon, with the universe around you
20:06 OldCoder So it is natural that people wish to travel there :-)
20:06 Krock Sokomine, yes. I already was there once
20:07 OldCoder So, different levels or different regions on a flat plane? Is the latter easier?
20:07 Trixar_za Could be fun
20:08 Trixar_za Imagine walking on CO2 ice - it will kick up particles like crazy
20:09 Sokomine OldCoder: i had in mind putting them at diffrent heights
20:09 paramat yeah my moonrealm mod skybox is not as pretty =)
20:09 OldCoder Sokomine, that was my idea; I thought you vetoed it and said put them all on the same level
20:09 OldCoder However, I will go with consensus
20:09 Sokomine Trixar_za: well, there are limits as to what can be done :-)
20:10 OldCoder I must deal with issues elsewhere today. However, if people have views on different levels versus different quadrants, please advise me
20:10 Sokomine OldCoder: oh. perhaps i didn't understand it right then. or was too much thinking about how it would be best. sorry if there was a misunderstanding. but it's really a very nice, very diffrent world. it's a lot of fun to hop around there and stare at the image in awe
20:11 Trixar_za lol - true. For example Titan will mostly be a weird colour, wouldn't it? Purple 'water' and stuff.
20:15 paramat Titan is very orange, ive done that one too
20:19 OldCoder Sokomine, you did suggest quadrants over levels. paramat Can I use a mod of yours to do what I wish?
20:21 Jordach paramat, make a game where gravity is non-existant and you have to use zeg's UFOs or a varaiant to get around the meteors
20:21 paramat yes WTFPL, early moonrealm is actually a titan, with red lakes
20:22 * Jordach would like to see how space mining would work in Minetest
20:22 paramat nuts, very low gravity would be good too
20:22 Jordach no pickaxes, they'd spin you around with the digging force
20:22 paramat yes space is the future of mining IRL
20:23 Jordach so either drills or jackhammer picks
20:23 Jordach with near extreme levels of durability to simulate battery power :P
20:24 Trixar_za lol
20:24 Trixar_za What next? Comet mining?
20:24 Trixar_za Oops - the harpoons didn't deploy... :P
20:24 OldCoder paramat if you are able to comment, I remain interested in the answer
20:25 paramat ^ sorry answered above
20:25 paramat yes its WTFPL
20:26 Jordach paramat, asteroid mining would be the tits
20:26 Jordach i'd play that
20:26 Jordach :3
20:26 paramat yes exactly
20:26 Trixar_za Hey, wouldn't cave exploring be fun in zero G?
20:27 Jordach Trixar_za, i've played space engineers, but a MT version would be better
20:27 Trixar_za Any point can be the floor
20:27 paramat MTs vertical height makes this all possible
20:27 Jordach although pavel's airship mod would make awesome custom mining ships
20:28 Jordach fuck.
20:28 Jordach i actually want this
20:28 paramat ive been modding in this direction for a year already
20:28 OldCoder paramat, I misunderstood. I am not asking about the license. Are you indicating that one of your mods will work with a level-based multi-world map?
20:28 OldCoder Which one should I try?
20:29 paramat OldCoder, yes, finding the link for you now ...
20:30 Jordach paramat, just randomly sized asteroids would be perfect
20:30 Sokomine mining tiny asteroids might be a good option. skyblock games are also pretty popular but have to get there material out of thin air
20:31 Jordach and a small starting platform just so you can get going
20:31 Jordach and maybe a jetpack for easier travel without using ships
20:31 paramat https://github.com/paramat/moonrealm/tree​/9797f171c851f46d9d64014224b360463eca132f
20:32 Sokomine the moon mod used on oldcoders moontest world has moon trees. they're a bit odd and produce normaml wood
20:32 catninja OldCoder: I'm running a server with moontest just to try it out, but it konstantly crashes - did you have that problem in the beginning/now too?
20:33 paramat moontest is wacky, uses lots of stuff from moonrealm
20:33 Trixar_za Reminds me a little of AvP - the original. When you played an alien you could walk on walls and the roof. Most people kept to the ground. I adapted quickly and destroyed lights and kept to the side walls (most people assume you're on the roof or floor).
20:34 OldCoder catninja, we have almost no crashes at all
20:35 OldCoder Sokomine, we are working on moon-wood
20:35 OldCoder Leaves will probably become plastic
20:35 OldCoder catninja, we have been modifying the _game and I will GitHub a new one
20:35 OldCoder Possibly named Worldtest
20:35 Sokomine it's helpful if there's at least a bit of gravity. and the trees...they could produce an atmosphere that's just too thin for human beeings but well enough for plantlife. that way, furnaces might be acceptable...
20:35 catninja OldCoder: not in the beginning either? Then it might be me
20:36 OldCoder catninja, I don't recall crashes presently
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20:36 OldCoder paramat, the moonrealm link you posted is for a mapgen that supports multiple levels?
20:37 paramat well its a single level realm that can be stacked above/below others
20:37 Sokomine oldcoder: moonwood might be easy. just turn the wooden texture into shades of gray. then it would at least fit in. trees also ought to be much higher 8they can if the gravity is lower). practical reasons may speak against that - people are lazy and usually only mine what they can reach without effort
20:37 paramat i have other space mapgens
20:37 Jordach Sokomine, no gravity would mess so much up
20:37 Jordach s/no//
20:38 paramat you're welcome to stack them up
20:38 Trixar_za I really should learn Minetest's API
20:39 catninja OldCoder: it seems to crash on moontest_appletree of all things, will check it out
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20:43 OldCoder catninja, Oh I know what that is
20:43 OldCoder catninja, He left out trees
20:43 OldCoder Rather growth
20:43 OldCoder Nil pointer
20:44 OldCoder My version fixes that. DFeniks has added other fixes.
20:44 OldCoder So, before I go, can anybody comment on what code I should grep to learn about stacking realms?
20:44 catninja "he"? moontest_appletree does not exist so when it tries to call it so krasches the server?
20:45 OldCoder He is RealTinyMonster. Who has apparently been K-Lined by Freenode BTW.
20:45 OldCoder I thought that he was age 22 or so. He turned out to be 14, got bored, and wandered off...
20:45 OldCoder Leaving me stuck with a half-finished world
20:45 OldCoder That I was obligated to work on because now it had tons of people
20:45 OldCoder D:
20:45 Trixar_za Oh, I know the type
20:45 catninja Oh, how frustrating
20:45 * OldCoder can be excused for speaking sharply to Sergio as he does not wish to repeat the experience
20:46 Trixar_za I once closed a few year old project because of people like that
20:46 OldCoder I have the skills to make some of the fixes, but no time. I will make the new _game public
20:46 OldCoder And invite people to participate. It *is* an unusual and interesting world
20:46 OldCoder With many happy players
20:46 OldCoder If I add Mars and Pluto... it will be a milestone world I think
20:47 OldCoder paramat, Sokomine, others, thank you for your remarks. I wish to discuss this further.
20:47 OldCoder o/
20:47 Trixar_za Pluto isn't much bigger than our moon though
20:47 catninja OldCoder: I'm not shure how to handle the nil thing but if youre busy I will go look somewhere else
20:47 OldCoder catninja, I am truly out of time; but you can just use my _game when I push it to GitHub
20:48 Trixar_za Day/Night cycles would also be weird - lol
20:48 Sokomine Trixar_za: not a big problem. reality can be bent to a considerable degree in a mt world. it has to for gameplay reasons
20:52 Trixar_za Sounds like a fun thing to play around with. I'd need to understand how it works to be of any help though - lol
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21:07 catninja OldCoder: fixed it! I took the appletree function from Amaz and fishys Lott and rewrote it to fit in moontest so now it does not krasch! *proud*
21:07 catninja Amaz: thx!
21:08 Amaz :(
21:08 Amaz *:)
21:17 catninja the Yvannamire(?)fruit makes an eccelent spaceapple
21:18 * Jordach just wants a realistic space mining game for MT
21:19 Jordach none of this fantasy bullshit
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21:20 catninja Jordach: I just made appletrees and fixed a krasching server with ctrl+c ctrl+v so just do it!
21:20 Amaz Everything has its place :)
21:21 Amaz But, a realistic space mining game would be awesome/
21:22 Jordach with drills, a sort of spacestation (auto-generated), pavel's airship mod for custom mining / cargo ships
21:24 proller and lagship
21:25 Amaz Solved in Freeminer? ;)
21:25 proller something - yes
21:25 proller 50 ms max lag ;)
21:25 Jordach a bucket with a patch is still a bucket with a patch
21:26 Amaz ^
21:26 y my latency is higher than that
21:26 y is freeminer going to use timetraveling features proller
21:26 Amaz On my server, max_lag = 0.669
21:26 Jordach actually, ive had negative latency with mt
21:27 proller Amaz, with disabled mod and tuned all settings to 1  ;)
21:27 Amaz Nope.
21:27 shadowzone I'm stuck with freeminer, cause my Username Box on Minetest is missing and I don't know how to fix it.
21:27 Amaz Carbone, mgv5, another server running, web browser.
21:27 Amaz And playing with carts.
21:27 Jordach shadowzone, is it a VPS?
21:28 Jordach if so, rm -rf * with a sudo and manually reinstall that thing
21:28 proller Amaz, try add mobs
21:28 shadowzone Nope
21:28 Amaz It has mobs :)
21:28 proller shadowzone, what missing ?
21:28 shadowzone I git cloned and compiled it.
21:28 Amaz max_lag = 0.59 now :)
21:28 shadowzone On Minetest(Not freeminer) My Username Box is missing
21:29 proller Amaz, and 0 players ?
21:29 Amaz There is me and a friend...
21:29 GhostDoge Amaz: 590 ms lag isn't bad
21:29 Amaz I think he's timed out though.
21:29 proller fm now will have lag 30-50 even with 50 players
21:29 proller and any slowmods
21:30 Amaz GhostDoge, nope. It's very good.
21:30 proller instant inventory and chests!
21:30 shadowzone I think that Zeno`s patch is very useful
21:30 GhostDoge > instant
21:30 GhostDoge that's impossible
21:31 shadowzone Yeah..IT is
21:31 proller okay, visual instant
21:31 GhostDoge unless you use time travel
21:31 y client-side prediction eh
21:31 proller without predictiono
21:33 Jordach proller, stfu https://cdn.mediacru.sh/HgBLP-4uN0I-.png
21:33 Jordach rtt = -1.0
21:33 Jordach >Fri Apr 25, 2014 3:23 pm
21:33 Jordach fak BFD is getting old
21:34 shadowzone https://cdn.mediacru.sh/cTk76avzJwc0.png <-- that's what it's doing
21:35 ElectronLibre Just a bug ._. Close the window, then start minetest again.
21:36 shadowzone Nope still doin' that
21:37 OldCoder catninja, you should be congratulated
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21:38 shadowzone Even freeminer is outdated.
21:38 shadowzone 0.4.9
21:39 proller build it!
21:39 proller release toooo old
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21:41 shadowzone But does anyone know how to fix that error?
21:41 shadowzone Or whatever it is.
21:44 * Fritigern wishes he could help
21:45 shadowzone It's okay
21:45 shadowzone I can maybe talk to VanessaE see if she could help.
21:46 * VanessaE throws cookies and Nutella at shadowzone
21:46 shadowzone YAY!
21:46 VanessaE as for the missing field, no idea at all
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21:47 shadowzone Okay
21:47 Amaz Best kind of help there is :D
21:47 shadowzone I haven't been playing with the code or anything.
21:47 shadowzone And my sister played it and that's when it disappeared.
21:47 Amaz What more could be wanted/needed than cookies and nutella?!
21:47 VanessaE I've never had that happen.  worst I've had happen is some minor misalignment of elements
21:47 Amaz Sisters...
21:47 shadowzone Yeah.
21:48 VanessaE Amaz: I also have Krackel bars here (I wanted Symphony but the store was out) and diet mountain dew :)
21:48 shadowzone I'm the oldest of 6 kids and I have little siblings who enjoy playing Minetest.
21:48 VanessaE yes, it's a junk food day
21:48 shadowzone Yuck!
21:48 shadowzone Diet
21:48 Amaz :D
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21:48 VanessaE shadowzone: I can't have the sugar in the soda because it's liquid.
21:49 shadowzone Oh
21:49 VanessaE (but the solid forms in the junk food are less egregious)
21:49 shadowzone Okay...
21:49 shadowzone But still.
21:49 shadowzone Diet ain't good for you
21:49 VanessaE better diet than loaded with HFCS.
21:50 * Amaz has been really put of saturated fat today...
21:50 shadowzone True
21:50 shadowzone And Aspertame
21:50 VanessaE nothing wrong with sat fat.
21:51 shadowzone Nope
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21:51 shadowzone It's trans fat, iirc
21:51 * Amaz has seen what it does to cholesterol, and what cholesterol leads to, and how a heart attack happens.
21:52 VanessaE Amaz: yeah, due to excess intake of carbohydrates.
21:52 Amaz Yep :)
21:53 Amaz I just learn how a heart attack actually happens... *shudder*
21:53 Amaz *learned
21:53 * shadowzone thinks
21:54 shadowzone Okay I just tried deleting everything to do with Minetest except for mods, Texture packs and games(minetest_game_minnmle[not sure how to spell that] And Shadow_game) re-git cloned and compiled still the same.
21:56 MinetestForFun Hi everybody,  today i need to change the damage of my mese_monster mob (from a modified version of mobs redo), i've tried the value "damage = 7," but the monster just don't take my value... the damage stay at 1... this mob use the "mobs:register_arrow("mobs:mese_arrow", {" and when i look into the api, i can't tweaks this damage, anybody can help me please ?
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22:20 oOChainLynxOo !seen Blaxar
22:20 MinetestBot oOChainLynxOo: Sorry, I haven't seen blaxar around.
22:20 oOChainLynxOo :(
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22:37 kilbith someone know a .sh to .bat converter online ?
22:37 oOChainLynxOo Hmm
22:38 oOChainLynxOo Hang on
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22:41 oOChainLynxOo I've come up empty in my search
22:42 oOChainLynxOo Most people want to convert it the other way around (batch to shell)
22:42 oOChainLynxOo Afk
22:42 kilbith nvm, not possible
22:42 kilbith thx
22:42 y kilbith: it is possible, both are turing complete
22:43 y the problem is that you probably rely on external programs
22:43 kilbith i mean for found an online converter
22:43 kilbith find*
22:43 y "both are turing complete" is a crap argument
22:46 WindHero MinetestForFun
22:46 WindHero Still looking for help with the mese monster?
22:46 MinetestForFun y
22:47 y ?
22:47 MinetestForFun :p
22:47 MinetestForFun yes i need help for my mese monster :)
22:47 WindHero to change the damage value of the arrows, change the damage group calues
22:47 WindHero player:punch(self.object, 1.0,  {
22:47 WindHero full_punch_interval=1.0,
22:47 WindHero damage_groups = {fleshy=1},
22:47 WindHero }, {x=s.x-p.x, y=s.y-p.y, z=s.z-p.z})
22:47 MinetestForFun so flashy=7 ?
22:47 WindHero yeah
22:47 MinetestForFun ok, thank you very much :)
22:47 WindHero try that, should work
22:47 WindHero np
22:47 MinetestForFun i try it now
22:48 WindHero I've been working with mobs so much the last few days... :P
22:48 MinetestForFun Ahah, a good thing for me :D
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22:59 hawk666 hello need advice on updating my server ?
23:00 hawk666 i have a vps running  ubuntu server but want to update to 0.4.10
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23:03 jbitcm- hello
23:04 jbitcm- can you help me explain how play minetest
23:06 WindHero what, like controls or physical gameplay?
23:06 y you need to use a mouse and a keyboard
23:06 catninja jbitcm-: http://wiki.minetest.net/Getting_Started
23:07 WindHero ^
23:07 jbitcm- y: but what is the objective
23:07 LittleJoe to survive
23:07 y jbitcm-: it is a sandbox game, the objective is having fun
23:08 RealBadAngel no, the goal is to have fun
23:08 LittleJoe I'm guessing you don't play minecraft?
23:08 y :P rba!
23:08 RealBadAngel ninjad as usual ;)
23:08 jbitcm- LittleJoe: this is my firs time using minetest
23:09 LittleJoe so you have played minecraft?
23:09 jbitcm- y: and its dificut to me understhand
23:09 y jbitcm-: in Minetest you can practically "do a lot of things", the one that is fun for you is the actual objetive
23:10 y you may like to build shiny buildings, so that is why you go to a creative server, where you have 1000 different building blocks
23:10 WindHero If you want to have a more concrete goal than having fun by building awesome stuff and exploring places...
23:10 WindHero try a subgame
23:10 oOChainLynxOo I will be back later guys, closing all programs while exporting in Sony Vegas will speed up the process
23:11 hawk666 I am currently setting up a server on a VPS running Ubuntu 14.04 server.  I want to update it to 0.4.10 as it's currently running on 0.4.9   But i can't find a repo for it help ?
23:11 WindHero cya
23:11 y get a better computer >:3
23:11 y \o
23:11 jbitcm- WindHero: subgame?
23:11 WindHero https://forum.minetest.net/viewforum.php?f=15
23:11 jbitcm- i'm in mac and want to install a mod for practicing or play
23:12 hawk666 anyone ?
23:12 WindHero I dunno hawk, I don't run a server :P
23:12 y minetest is based on the a "game" logic, you install games (I can think of carbone and dreambuilder right now), and if you want to change or add stuff, you use mods over it
23:12 y hawk666: how did you install it?
23:12 WindHero Look no further than https://forum.minetest.net/vi​ewtopic.php?f=15&amp;t=10192, jbitcm
23:15 hawk666 anyone surly someone knows
23:15 y hawk666: how did you install the actual running server?
23:15 LittleJoe hawk666: did you try compiling your own from Github?
23:17 hawk666 how do i do that ? last time i got a lib.level.db error
23:18 LittleJoe idk about any errors or how to avoid them : /
23:18 hawk666 http://wiki.minetest.net/S​etting_up_a_server/Debian this is the install i done but in ubuntu and skipping the first
23:19 hawk666 so how do i compile ?
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23:24 WindHero Have you considered just doing the same process again?
23:24 WindHero backup the current world
23:25 WindHero install
23:25 WindHero then copy it back in?
23:25 WindHero (Don't take my word as truth without corroboration- this is all hypothesis)
23:25 hawk666 wont work for some reason it will only install 0.4.9
23:25 y VanessaE: do you know any lisp?
23:26 LittleJoe all I've compiled is the minetest game idk about an special server stuff
23:26 y VanessaE: templates are like a f**cked up version of lisp macros
23:29 LittleJoe this is the source code: https://github.com/minetest/minetest_game
23:30 LittleJoe and there's something to do with cmake  . and make
23:30 LittleJoe that was a long time ago lol
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23:32 WindHero any luck on the mese monster, mtf?
23:32 WindHero *mff
23:32 MinetestForFun i haven't reboot the server yet
23:32 WindHero kk
23:32 MinetestForFun i reboot it after a lot of updates :)
23:32 WindHero xD
23:34 LittleJoe anybody wanna be an elve : D
23:35 LittleJoe lord of the test has officially opened
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23:47 VanessaE y: I don't know lisp, but if a macro there is anything like they were back in my 6502 assembly days, they I get it.
23:48 y no, it is like a programming language that generates code
23:49 WindHero isn't it used for AI...?
23:50 WindHero wait no
23:50 WindHero I'm thinking of...
23:50 WindHero yeah, that's right
23:51 WindHero Lisp is from the late 1950's :P
23:52 y WindHero: I am talking about the whole Lisp family
23:52 y lisp changed a lot from 1960 to 2014
23:54 VanessaE y: that's how macros worked in 6502 also.
23:54 y oh neat
23:55 VanessaE though far simpler than what a modern language uses of course
23:55 VanessaE a few lines and some compiler directives in, hundreds of bytes of code out
23:55 y all macros do that, but in Lisp you actually have the language itself for generating code
23:55 y VanessaE: was the macro system "turing-complete"?
23:55 VanessaE you know, I'm not sure.
23:55 VanessaE good question.
23:55 kaeza it's basically a fancy #define <_<
23:55 VanessaE I don't think anyone ever tried :)
23:55 * kaeza hides
23:56 y what is a fancy define?
23:56 y lisp macros are basically taking code as first-class
23:56 VanessaE demo coders back in the day loved them for unrolling loops and so on
23:56 y and letting you run functions that process functions as inputs and return new functions, oh wait, this is functional programming
23:57 VanessaE yeah no..  6502 assemblers weren't THAT advanced by comparison :)
23:57 VanessaE but they were getting pretty good by the time I stopped actively coding
23:58 y http://xkcd.com/297/
23:58 y Lisp was too advanced for its time though
23:59 VanessaE haha
23:59 * VanessaE throws a few $ and # at y

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