| Time |
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| 00:00 |
freelikegnu |
cool |
| 00:00 |
VanessaE |
there are water turbines in technic and in mesecons |
| 00:00 |
freelikegnu |
see how litttle I know |
| 00:00 |
VanessaE |
RealBadAngel: that reminds me, now with mesh nodes we can have REAL water turbines/water wheels yes? |
| 00:00 |
VanessaE |
and they could turn, too, once you get animated meshes working |
| 00:01 |
freelikegnu |
I put mesecons pack in my server after calinou removed it during update... |
| 00:01 |
RealBadAngel |
with animated ones we will have to wait a bit |
| 00:01 |
VanessaE |
right, I know |
| 00:01 |
RealBadAngel |
thats rather a massive change |
| 00:01 |
RealBadAngel |
but definitely will be done |
| 00:02 |
RealBadAngel |
im still learning irrlicht ;) i just need some time :) |
| 00:02 |
freelikegnu |
where did the name mesecons come from? |
| 00:03 |
VanessaE |
mese conductors |
| 00:03 |
VanessaE |
pretty sure that's what it means |
| 00:03 |
RealBadAngel |
and mese is an alien stuff ;) |
| 00:04 |
RealBadAngel |
some have reported that remains of the crashed UFO could be found in Finland |
| 00:04 |
freelikegnu |
yeah I had a hard time figuring out why mese is called mese |
| 00:04 |
freelikegnu |
google had no idea |
| 00:08 |
freelikegnu |
ok now I'm confused.... there is this project with similar name: https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=8059 |
| 00:09 |
freelikegnu |
you can put some nodes together define and area and ride them around |
| 00:10 |
freelikegnu |
RealBadAngel's mod converts meshes to nodes, and Stu's modes converts nodes to a rideable mesh |
| 00:12 |
VanessaE |
and then there's my script that converts nodebox defs into .obj files :) |
| 00:12 |
RealBadAngel |
voxels area entities are on todo list |
| 00:13 |
VanessaE |
( https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=10428 - in the spoiler under "convert and update old stuff") |
| 00:15 |
exio4 |
supporting windows is so painful |
| 00:15 |
RealBadAngel |
even Gates doesnt support xp anymore ;) |
| 00:15 |
VanessaE |
exio4: eh, just use a piece of broomstick. those usually work for the heavier windows. |
| 00:17 |
exio4 |
I wrote ugly code, somehow, with lots of love, it worked |
| 00:17 |
exio4 |
https://github.com/EXio4/zyflex |
| 00:17 |
freelikegnu |
mesh slopes are nice :D |
| 00:17 |
exio4 |
and the remaining love I had, was wasted in compiling the stuff for windows |
| 00:19 |
VanessaE |
freelikegnu: they are but in this case I was specifically pointing out the script :) |
| 00:20 |
VanessaE |
there are tons of good nodebox models out there that just need converted to proper .obj files so they can be re-meshed and textured properly |
| 00:23 |
marktraceur |
freelikegnu: IIRC mese is a nickname for MSN Messenger. |
| 00:23 |
marktraceur |
Slash a nonsense word. |
| 00:24 |
* marktraceur |
finds immense irony in saying that, having an FSF cloak, talking to someone referencing GNU in their nick |
| 00:24 |
freelikegnu |
:D |
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freelikegnu |
it was hard to find a nick repesenting support of things GNU, I suppose gnudist is another alternative |
| 00:28 |
freelikegnu |
could also be a nice akward name for a minimal herd distro |
| 00:29 |
VanessaE |
hey mark, been a while since I seen you around :) |
| 00:29 |
freelikegnu |
hurd distro |
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marktraceur |
Oh no I've been spotted! |
| 00:32 |
marktraceur |
VanessaE: I decided to join because I'm thinking about doing a project, as per usual, terrible idea |
| 00:32 |
VanessaE |
heh |
| 00:33 |
marktraceur |
Not tonight, though! |
| 00:33 |
marktraceur |
Tonight is beer and lots of cooking night. |
| 00:33 |
freelikegnu |
also have to check out the phonics block mod... I think my 5yo might enjoy that |
| 00:34 |
freelikegnu |
virtually building words seems like fun |
| 00:35 |
marktraceur |
They might get hooked, though. Watch out for that. |
| 00:35 |
freelikegnu |
I've heard about that marktraceur |
| 00:35 |
marktraceur |
There were all those PSAs in the 90s |
| 00:35 |
VanessaE |
freelikegnu: I just got an image in my head of "Conjunction Junction" from "Schoolhouse Rock(y)" heh |
| 00:35 |
marktraceur |
Cue the Family Guy cutaway |
| 00:36 |
freelikegnu |
the addictive nature of phonics and minetest combined might stand a chance against her attention span |
| 00:36 |
VanessaE |
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ODGA7ssL-6g |
| 00:37 |
VanessaE |
eh, that one loses the audio part way through. |
| 00:37 |
freelikegnu |
oh the possibilities of word carts in minetest |
| 00:37 |
VanessaE |
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4AyjKgz9tKg |
| 00:37 |
VanessaE |
there we go. |
| 00:37 |
freelikegnu |
Sesamesecon Street |
| 00:42 |
VanessaE |
dear G*d I grew up with this stuff. |
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marktraceur |
VanessaE: Yes my child? |
| 00:42 |
VanessaE |
:P |
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hisforever |
Hi I downloaded skins where do I put them to get to use them? |
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VanessaE |
hisforever: dreambuilder_game/mods/player_textures/textures |
| 00:52 |
VanessaE |
name them as player_xxxx.png |
| 00:52 |
VanessaE |
where xxxx is the player name you want to assign them to |
| 00:52 |
hisforever |
ok ty |
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exio4 |
lol, just realized I got hmmmm's "scam about scams" email too |
| 01:04 |
hisforever |
Sorry VanessaE butWhere do I find the skins in game? |
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VanessaE |
hisforever: the mod that dreambuilder uses is intended for server use, so you don't see the skins in the game. |
| 01:05 |
VanessaE |
you pick one, name it something like: player_singleplayer.png and put it in the folder I described |
| 01:05 |
hisforever |
gotcha |
| 01:05 |
VanessaE |
then you can see it when you go into 3rd person view with F7 |
| 01:05 |
VanessaE |
(after you restart) |
| 01:16 |
exio4 |
coursera is nice |
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hisforever |
VanessaE its too hard to read on server so when I want to build on server I'll just go on to laptop |
| 01:57 |
VanessaE |
hisforever: just ignore the chat if it gets too active ;) |
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VanessaE |
or you just mean this one machine you were trying to use is hard to read? |
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hisforever |
actually I would like to be on the bigger monitor its just that the fonts are so small and I don't read fast enough to get tghe commands right on the game grid |
| 02:07 |
VanessaE |
oh, you can adjust the fond size |
| 02:07 |
VanessaE |
font* |
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| 02:07 |
VanessaE |
in your minetest.conf, do something like: |
| 02:07 |
VanessaE |
font_size = 17 |
| 02:07 |
VanessaE |
mono_font_size = 17 |
| 02:07 |
hisforever |
VanessaE I have to get to bed So I'll try to get into server via irc tomorrow night if that will be ok with you ? |
| 02:07 |
VanessaE |
(but tweak the numbers as needed) |
| 02:07 |
VanessaE |
sure, I might be here. |
| 02:07 |
VanessaE |
hey Taoki |
| 02:07 |
Taoki |
hi |
| 02:07 |
hisforever |
ok God bless see you tomorrow |
| 02:13 |
Taoki |
God bless Minetest :) |
| 02:13 |
Taoki |
And hi... been a whle since i've beena ctice on IRC. Again :P |
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| 02:53 |
AgentFire |
So Minetest |
| 02:56 |
AgentFire |
I need a little help with Minetest |
| 02:56 |
AgentFire |
I can't seem to fly |
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| 02:57 |
AgentFire |
When I hit k |
| 02:57 |
AgentFire |
It says |
| 02:58 |
Enke |
"free move enabled (no fly privs)"? |
| 02:58 |
AgentFire |
Yes |
| 02:58 |
Enke |
If you're in singleplayer, type /grant singleplayer fly |
| 02:58 |
Enke |
If you're in multiplayer, you're probably out of luck. |
| 02:58 |
Enke |
:-/ |
| 02:59 |
AgentFire |
Okay, good to know |
| 02:59 |
AgentFire |
Thanks Enke |
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Enke |
If you want all privs in a singleplayer world, you can use /grant singleplayer all |
| 02:59 |
AgentFire |
Sounds like something to do |
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AgentFire |
Is there a way to update your gamemode without exitting the world? |
| 03:15 |
VanessaE |
nope |
| 03:15 |
VanessaE |
you have to exit to update mods/games |
| 03:15 |
AgentFire |
Okay then |
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freelikegnu |
is there a way to set the admin user on a headless server? |
| 03:28 |
VanessaE |
freelikegnu: name = foo |
| 03:28 |
VanessaE |
in minetest.conf |
| 03:28 |
VanessaE |
the user named "foo" is automatically the admin then |
| 03:29 |
freelikegnu |
so I have to shut down the server after it is created to set |
| 03:29 |
VanessaE |
no |
| 03:29 |
VanessaE |
you can just /grant <username> all as well |
| 03:30 |
VanessaE |
if you currently already have admin privs on the server. |
| 03:30 |
VanessaE |
eg. if you started the world in singleplayer, /grant singleplayer all and then /grant <the other user> all |
| 03:31 |
VanessaE |
then <the other user> will be considered the admin for all intents and purposes. meanwhile, add that line to the .conf anyway |
| 03:31 |
VanessaE |
since sooner or later you're gonna restart for some reson |
| 03:31 |
VanessaE |
reason* |
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freelikegnu |
I started the game with minetestserver since it is a headless system on a vps |
| 03:36 |
VanessaE |
oh right, you did say headless |
| 03:36 |
VanessaE |
derp |
| 03:36 |
VanessaE |
well do, name = whatever and restart it. |
| 03:36 |
VanessaE |
then immediately log in as that username |
| 03:37 |
freelikegnu |
cool thanks :D |
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| 03:45 |
AgentFire |
Okay, I have another question |
| 03:46 |
AgentFire |
Does anybody wanna play Minetest with e? |
| 03:46 |
AgentFire |
*me? |
| 03:46 |
* VanessaE |
is brain dead for the night :P |
| 03:47 |
freelikegnu |
do you have a server up AgentFire ? |
| 03:55 |
AgentFire |
Unfortunately no, I'm not sure how to set one up |
| 03:56 |
freelikegnu |
you can join mine if you like |
| 03:56 |
freelikegnu |
freelikegnu.org 30000 |
| 03:57 |
freelikegnu |
I'm running 4.10 with Carbone+Mesecons+animals |
| 03:59 |
AgentFire |
Okay, I don't have Animals or Carbone. I only have More Blocks, More Ores, and Mesecons |
| 03:59 |
freelikegnu |
it will add all the mods you need when you join I think |
| 03:59 |
AgentFire |
Okay, good |
| 04:00 |
AgentFire |
So, how did you hear about Minetest? |
| 04:00 |
freelikegnu |
searching for minecraft alternatives |
| 04:00 |
VanessaE |
AgentFire: play on one of my servers then |
| 04:01 |
VanessaE |
(I don't have any that run Carbone, or the animals mod though) |
| 04:01 |
AgentFire |
VanessaE: Maybe another time c: |
| 04:03 |
compunerd_nick |
Hey, freelikegnu, how does your server run with animals mod? My first server ran ok, but server output was giving me error messages from the animals mod, since then I've started a carbon server with technic, mesecons, homedecor, money, etc and it seems to be working pretty good. |
| 04:03 |
freelikegnu |
you probable need adv_spawn with animals |
| 04:04 |
freelikegnu |
if you are usings sapiers animals modpack https://github.com/sapier/adv_spawning |
| 04:04 |
compunerd_nick |
I had that, it just kept spawning them numerously all over the place, over loading and lagging the system down |
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freelikegnu |
it did that the first server I ran, but its ok now for some reason |
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compunerd_nick |
hmm, weird... I'll have to try it again... |
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compunerd_nick |
Hey, freelikegnu, do you have to manually grant interact priv on your server? I'd like to try it out... |
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OldCoder |
Animals are broken |
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OldCoder |
Sapier has told me so |
| 05:12 |
OldCoder |
For another month or two, use kpgmobs |
| 05:12 |
OldCoder |
Also, Carbone can be compiled with other mods; I am now running two hybrid worlds |
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OldCoder |
VanessaE, compunerd_nick, freelikegnu ^ |
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cg72 |
where is the api for mapgen v7??? i cant find "minetest.register_biome" |
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paramat |
sfan5, https://github.com/minetest/minetest_game/pull/336 =) |
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freelikegnu |
OldCoder: will try that looks good |
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freelikegnu |
gn folks |
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Zeno` |
roar! |
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hisforever |
Hi Zeno how are you? |
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Zeno` |
good thank you |
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Zeno` |
how are you? |
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hisforever |
a little tired but great otherwise |
| 08:43 |
Zeno` |
:) |
| 08:43 |
Zeno` |
Can't complain then |
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hisforever |
nope just love minetest |
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Zeno` |
it's fun, hey |
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Fritigern |
I just submitted an issue to the issue tracker, then realized that i neglected to ask others if they are having issues with the latest version from git. Specifically, double-tap flying. |
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Zeno` |
What's the issue? |
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Zeno` |
I found it. Looking into it now Fritigern |
| 10:04 |
Fritigern |
Thank you. And as i said, i neglected to ask if anyone else was having the same issu with 0.4.10-174-g96fcca4-dirty |
| 10:05 |
Fritigern |
And to be clear, double-tap fly stopped working for me with this version. |
| 10:05 |
Zeno` |
it's something I've done wrong |
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* Fritigern |
slaps Zeno`wrist. BAD!!! |
| 10:06 |
Fritigern |
Am i convincing as a wrist-slapper? ;-) |
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Amaz |
Fritigern, slightly :P |
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Amaz |
If you had slapped his(?) wrist with a ruler, that would have been more convincing :) |
| 10:08 |
Zeno` |
actually, that's weird |
| 10:08 |
Fritigern |
BTW, if anyone has issues with the markers mod, specifically occasional crashes, then make sure that the last placed markers are not placed in a straight line. That crashes my server every time. |
| 10:09 |
Zeno` |
doubletap_jump is being set to false every time I run the game |
| 10:09 |
Fritigern |
Zeno`: I take it this is a "hmmm... it should be working..." moment/ |
| 10:09 |
Fritigern |
? |
| 10:09 |
Zeno` |
Fritigern, can you test? Add doubletap_jump = false to minetest.conf and run the game |
| 10:10 |
Zeno` |
err add doubletap_jump = true |
| 10:10 |
Zeno` |
then see if it's reset to false after you launch, play and exit the game |
| 10:10 |
Fritigern |
The GUI shows me that it is currently true for me. The checkmark is set |
| 10:10 |
Fritigern |
I will play with the conf |
| 10:12 |
Fritigern |
Zeno`: doubletap_jump is already true in my conf |
| 10:13 |
Zeno` |
where is g96fcca4? |
| 10:14 |
Fritigern |
Right here: https://github.com/minetest/minetest/commit/96fcca4ea0a9ac0cec1ef48d5baeed78120f62e9 |
| 10:16 |
Zeno` |
k thanks |
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Fritigern |
All i see is that at line 2486 MinetestApp::toggleFreeMoveAlt was changed to Game::toggleFreeMoveAlt, and that's the only think that has anything to do with doubletap_jump. |
| 10:23 |
Zeno` |
Yeah, I'll fix it |
| 10:23 |
Zeno` |
thanks for the report |
| 10:23 |
Fritigern |
You're welcome. I was thinking that perhaps the issue stems from an earlier commit, so i am looking at those now. |
| 10:25 |
Zeno` |
it's from the previous refactor_the_main commit probably |
| 10:27 |
Fritigern |
LArge commits confuse the heck out of me. I find it exceedingly hard to follow what does what, as i try to read it all as if it were regular text. I do not sufficiently understand C with any number of plusses or a hash to read it with any kind of ease |
| 10:28 |
Fritigern |
Oh, new info: Unsetting doubletap_jump from the GUI does NOT update the conf. |
| 10:31 |
RealBadAngel |
commits are not news |
| 10:31 |
RealBadAngel |
for code to understand you need to read whole functions, not just the changed parts |
| 10:32 |
RealBadAngel |
if you will meet dude who claims he understand diffs you can freely call him stupid |
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Zeno` |
Fritigern, fixed. Will make a PR soon |
| 10:37 |
Zeno` |
as for the <Fritigern> Oh, new info: Unsetting doubletap_jump from the GUI does NOT update the conf., that has nothing to do with my commit but I'll look at that as well |
| 10:39 |
Zeno` |
Fritigern, the commit is very large because I squashed many commits. I'll push the unsqaushed commits (for reference) soon as well |
| 10:40 |
Zeno` |
And that commit is probably the largest you'll see in a while (almost 3000 lines changed) |
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Fritigern |
Well, such is the nature of the refactoring process. Lots of little changes, and hope to high heaven that nothing breeaks. :-) |
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Zeno` |
well this was a BIG refactor |
| 10:49 |
Zeno` |
and I would have been very surprised if nothing broke :) |
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FourFire |
greetings |
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iqualfragile |
anybody online? |
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Amaz |
Everyone is offline, why? |
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iqualfragile |
i need somebody to help me test some code |
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iqualfragile |
can you compile minetest? |
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iqualfragile |
hi ShadowBot |
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ShadowBot |
Hello iqualfragile! |
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iqualfragile |
godfuckingdamnit |
| 14:02 |
iqualfragile |
hi shadowzone |
| 14:02 |
shadowzone |
Hi |
| 14:03 |
iqualfragile |
can you compile minetest? |
| 14:03 |
shadowzone |
Yep |
| 14:03 |
iqualfragile |
want to help me test a patch i wrote to support mumble positional audio? |
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shadowzone |
Um.. |
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shadowzone |
I don't know. |
| 14:05 |
Amaz |
I can.... |
| 14:05 |
Amaz |
But only in about an hour. |
| 14:05 |
Amaz |
:/ |
| 14:06 |
kaeza |
greetings |
| 14:06 |
iqualfragile |
hi kaeza |
| 14:06 |
iqualfragile |
do you want to help me test a patch? |
| 14:07 |
kaeza |
hm? |
| 14:08 |
Amaz |
iqualfragile, can I have the code? |
| 14:08 |
iqualfragile |
patch: http://sebsauvage.net/paste/?292b210c5058b031#UAr+2QXuKG/3+6Sa/dnXE9sc0jt+PMMcDySxBEOwEdU= |
| 14:08 |
Amaz |
No sooner the word than the deed :P |
| 14:09 |
Amaz |
Can you remind me how I apply it please? |
| 14:10 |
iqualfragile |
git apply file |
| 14:10 |
iqualfragile |
i think |
| 14:10 |
iqualfragile |
i am horrible at git |
| 14:10 |
Amaz |
Okay. |
| 14:11 |
iqualfragile |
works? |
| 14:11 |
Amaz |
Nope. |
| 14:11 |
iqualfragile |
cool |
| 14:11 |
Amaz |
Have you got a repo I can clone it from? |
| 14:11 |
iqualfragile |
no |
| 14:11 |
Amaz |
Okay! |
| 14:11 |
iqualfragile |
patch -p0 < mumblepositionalaudio.diff |
| 14:11 |
iqualfragile |
should work |
| 14:11 |
Amaz |
Okay... |
| 14:11 |
Amaz |
2 mins. |
| 14:12 |
Amaz |
Clone Minetest again |
| 14:12 |
Amaz |
*Cloning |
| 14:13 |
iqualfragile |
ah, wait |
| 14:13 |
iqualfragile |
needs to be -p1 obviously |
| 14:13 |
Amaz |
Ah! |
| 14:14 |
Amaz |
Works :D |
| 14:14 |
iqualfragile |
great |
| 14:14 |
iqualfragile |
now you only need a mumble client |
| 14:14 |
iqualfragile |
and we need to choose a minetest server to meet on |
| 14:15 |
Amaz |
What's a mumble client? |
| 14:15 |
iqualfragile |
its like a team speak client, but open source |
| 14:15 |
Amaz |
Ah, okay. |
| 14:19 |
Zeno` |
If that works I'll be happy |
| 14:19 |
Zeno` |
will have made the refactor worth it heh |
| 14:20 |
iqualfragile |
absolutely |
| 14:20 |
iqualfragile |
Zeno`: wana help test? |
| 14:22 |
Zeno` |
for sure, but not right now (12:30AM here) |
| 14:22 |
Zeno` |
about to go to sleep :( |
| 14:22 |
iqualfragile |
ah, ok |
| 14:22 |
iqualfragile |
where are you from? |
| 14:23 |
Zeno` |
Australia |
| 14:23 |
Zeno` |
you? |
| 14:23 |
iqualfragile |
ah, ok |
| 14:23 |
iqualfragile |
germany |
| 14:23 |
Zeno` |
that's across the ocean :D |
| 14:23 |
iqualfragile |
yeah, more or less around the globe |
| 14:23 |
Zeno` |
hehe yep |
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Zeno` |
the code looks good (by just scrolling through it) |
| 14:24 |
iqualfragile |
mostly copyed |
| 14:24 |
Zeno` |
yeah but that's ok |
| 14:24 |
iqualfragile |
i should move the name setting code to the init part |
| 14:26 |
Zeno` |
hmmm |
| 14:26 |
Zeno` |
I don't think that's a big issue |
| 14:26 |
iqualfragile |
well, its suboptimal performance |
| 14:27 |
iqualfragile |
don't think its a big hit, as its only executed once per frame |
| 14:27 |
Zeno` |
which line are you talking about? |
| 14:27 |
iqualfragile |
but it could be executed once |
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iqualfragile |
last thing that happens in updateMumblePositionalAudio |
| 14:28 |
Zeno` |
maybe |
| 14:29 |
Zeno` |
you know more about that than me :) |
| 14:29 |
iqualfragile |
i think i will move it later no |
| 14:29 |
iqualfragile |
but first i need to find out if it actually works :D |
| 14:29 |
Zeno` |
I'm not sure it can be in init though... what happens if players leave? |
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Zeno` |
yeah, get it working first and then optimise :) |
| 14:30 |
iqualfragile |
it is only about the local player name |
| 14:30 |
Zeno` |
premature optimisation is the root of all evil (Knuth) |
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someguy_irc |
hai |
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someguy_irc |
you know something |
| 14:31 |
someguy_irc |
i was on a chat site for 15 hours. |
| 14:31 |
Zeno` |
I know nothing! |
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someguy_irc |
:3 |
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someguy_irc |
lol |
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* Zeno` |
waves goodbye. I'll idle for a while ;) |
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someguy_irc |
Tushe. |
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someguy_irc |
.-. |
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someguy_irc |
touché |
| 14:34 |
Zeno` |
someguy_irc, you made a funny 'e' |
| 14:34 |
someguy_irc |
hmm. |
| 14:34 |
someguy_irc |
.-. |
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Zeno` |
ok, now... tell me... what does the .-. smiley mean? |
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someguy_irc |
lol |
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someguy_irc |
Akwardness |
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someguy_irc |
:P |
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someguy_irc |
.-. |
| 14:36 |
Zeno` |
hmm, ok... it's been bothering me for days lol |
| 14:36 |
Zeno` |
.-. |
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kaeza |
:| -> ._. -> .-. |
| 14:36 |
shadowzone |
Like your eyes squinting you and your cheeks looking flushed. |
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someguy_irc |
hmm |
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someguy_irc |
shadowzone |
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shadowzone |
Yeah? |
| 14:37 |
someguy_irc |
i wrote a Smiley bot for MPP today XD |
| 14:37 |
shadowzone |
Uh oh... |
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someguy_irc |
-.- |
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Zeno` |
de gads! |
| 14:37 |
Zeno` |
what is -.- ???????! |
| 14:38 |
someguy_irc |
adds a [smiley] button near the chatbox like FB or Gmail. |
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someguy_irc |
-_- |
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someguy_irc |
http://puu.sh/cCXhL/0b671decd4.jpg |
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someguy_irc |
shadowzone , ^ |
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shadowzone |
hmm |
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someguy_irc |
(¬_¬) |
| 14:39 |
Zeno` |
=+= |
| 14:39 |
someguy_irc |
(â—”_â—”) |
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someguy_irc |
lol |
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someguy_irc |
◕‿↼ |
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someguy_irc |
:3 |
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Zeno` |
[[..]]-=/,.<> |
| 14:40 |
shadowzone |
©¸© |
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someguy_irc |
lol |
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kaeza |
( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) |
| 14:40 |
shadowzone |
°¸° |
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someguy_irc |
. |
| 14:40 |
shadowzone |
UGH I HATE IT WHEN HE DOES THAT ONE! |
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someguy_irc |
Zeno` this will help you.. http://unicodeemoticons.com/index.htm |
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someguy_irc |
-_- |
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someguy_irc |
Lolo |
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someguy_irc |
XD |
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Zeno` |
nah I don't wanna look! |
| 14:40 |
Zeno` |
I refuse |
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someguy_irc |
ಠ‿ಠ|
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someguy_irc |
(；一_一) ok Zenie. |
| 14:40 |
Zeno` |
brb, going off to sulk |
| 14:40 |
shadowzone |
ï¼äººâ€Šâ—• ‿‿ ◕ 人＼ |
| 14:40 |
someguy_irc |
lol |
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someguy_irc |
(｡◕‿‿◕｡) |
| 14:41 |
someguy_irc |
u know what? |
| 14:41 |
someguy_irc |
▄︻̷̿┻̿â•â”一 |
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zat |
<3 http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_Sah87Hs0SAI/TH2_LOZt5PI/AAAAAAAAAFg/DfCoN4KBtp4/s1600/Fast%2525252525252BFive%2525252525252BCars%2525252525252B%2813%29.jpg |
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shadowzone |
>:) |
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someguy_irc |
im afk adding more smiles to my bot (ಠ⌣ಠ) |
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FourFire |
hey, I'm interested in testing positional audio with mumble |
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FourFire |
I have mumble |
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FourFire |
kyubey... |
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iqualfragile_ |
FourFire: sounds great |
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iqualfragile_ |
newest patch: http://sebsauvage.net/paste/?63df7a70e6123145#bX/OTiY40upAp24uKYwcUxKmu2lZrAeNgzjQhiMyjxo= |
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iqualfragile_ |
save into mumble.patch |
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iqualfragile_ |
apply to minetest sources with |
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iqualfragile_ |
patch -p1 <mumble.patch |
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FourFire |
ok |
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FourFire |
I got the following error can't find file to patch at input line 5 |
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FourFire |
Perhaps you used the wrong -p or --strip option? |
| 15:20 |
FourFire |
The text leading up to this was: |
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FourFire |
should I have it in a specific directory iqualfragile ? |
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sol_invictus |
curl http://sebsauvage.net/paste/?63df7a70e6123145#bX/OTiY40upAp24uKYwcUxKmu2lZrAeNgzjQhiMyjxo= | patch -p1 |
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sol_invictus |
^ try this |
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iqualfragile |
FourFire: you need to be in the minetest source root directory |
| 15:23 |
FourFire |
"patch: **** Only garbage was found in the patch input." |
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iqualfragile |
and i just tested with Amaz |
| 15:23 |
iqualfragile |
it worked |
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FourFire |
oh right, I don't know where that is lol |
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iqualfragile |
well, you have cloned the minetest sources, right? |
| 15:24 |
FourFire |
found it |
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iqualfragile |
does it work? |
| 15:29 |
FourFire |
got the following error: "patch: **** Only garbage was found in the patch input. |
| 15:29 |
FourFire |
" |
| 15:29 |
FourFire |
so no |
| 15:29 |
iqualfragile |
ok, so you did: |
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iqualfragile |
git clone http://github.com/minetest/minetest.git minetest |
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iqualfragile |
cd minetest |
| 15:29 |
iqualfragile |
<save paste into mumble.diff> |
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iqualfragile |
patch -p1 < mumble.diff |
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iqualfragile |
cmake . |
| 15:30 |
iqualfragile |
make -j 4 |
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SylvieLorxu |
sol_invictus: Are you sure you want to send a curl for that URL? |
| 15:31 |
SylvieLorxu |
I see a # in it which seems like it runs a Javascript function |
| 15:31 |
FourFire |
sorry my git clone was incorrect |
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FourFire |
redoing |
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SylvieLorxu |
If it is one of those "secure paste" services, that could be the issue |
| 15:32 |
sol_invictus |
SylvieLorxu, not at all |
| 15:32 |
SylvieLorxu |
Hmm, okay |
| 15:32 |
sol_invictus |
people should stop using such services for patches |
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zlsa |
sol_invictus, it's an html page |
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sol_invictus |
zlsa, I see now |
| 15:34 |
FourFire |
cd |
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zlsa |
you can just go to the URL in a browser, click 'raw text', then copy-paste |
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zlsa |
because raw text is still html, you can't just save the page |
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FourFire |
I get the following error from the last command: " git clone http://github.com/minetest/minetest.git minetest" |
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FourFire |
sorry, : "make: *** No targets specified and no makefile found. Stop." |
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zlsa |
are you in the minetest directory? |
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kaeza |
did `cmake .` run OK? |
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FourFire |
it seemed to |
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FourFire |
wait, no, it actually kicked an error too |
| 15:39 |
Amaz |
Try git apply patchname |
| 15:40 |
FourFire |
"error: patch failed: src/game.cpp:70 |
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FourFire |
error: src/game.cpp: patch does not apply |
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FourFire |
error: patch failed: src/game.h:151 |
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FourFire |
error: src/game.h: patch does not apply |
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FourFire was kicked by ShadowBot: Paste flood detected. Use a pastebin like pastebin.ubuntu.com or gist.github.com. |
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kaeza |
... |
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FourFire |
sorry about that |
| 15:40 |
FourFire |
I'm not very experienced in the terminal |
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kaeza |
FourFire, what was the error from cmake? |
| 15:41 |
FourFire |
yes |
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FourFire |
oh too late, I already refreshed the terminal, i'll attempt to redo |
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FourFire |
actually, nevermind, you already had a tester succeed right iqualfragile |
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iqualfragile |
FourFire: correct |
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FourFire |
then you don't need my help in testing |
| 15:43 |
iqualfragile |
that is correct |
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Zeno` |
more people testing is better |
| 15:46 |
iqualfragile |
that, too is correct |
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Zeno` |
kaeza likes testing |
| 15:47 |
Zeno` |
lol :) |
| 15:47 |
VanessaE |
sure, just goad him along ;) |
| 15:47 |
iqualfragile |
goad? |
| 15:47 |
Zeno` |
VanessaE likes testing as well |
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VanessaE |
kaeza that is :P |
| 15:48 |
VanessaE |
Zeno` yeah, about as much as I like a root canal :P |
| 15:48 |
VanessaE |
iqualfragile: to push along, grudgingly |
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iqualfragile |
ah, ok |
| 15:49 |
Zeno` |
canal? gondola? romantic evening floating along sipping mountain dew? Doesn't sound all that bad |
| 15:49 |
VanessaE |
haha |
| 15:51 |
Zeno` |
VanessaE, Fritigern found another bug today. I wouldn't have found these things (at least for a long time) without so many testers |
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VanessaE |
double-tap? |
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Zeno` |
fortunately they're minor |
| 15:51 |
Zeno` |
yeah |
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VanessaE |
saw that in the logs |
| 15:52 |
Zeno` |
tap dance is working again now though |
| 15:52 |
VanessaE |
well that's why it's called a "development" build and not "stable" :P |
| 15:52 |
VanessaE |
:) |
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shadowzone |
I'll test. |
| 15:55 |
shadowzone |
and Zeno` nice job with the gondola thing got me laughing. |
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Zeno` |
hehe shadowzone |
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Amaz |
Zeno` I thought you were going to bed... :P |
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iqualfragile |
shadowzone: do you need help with testing? |
| 15:58 |
shadowzone |
Maybe. |
| 15:58 |
shadowzone |
I just need to get it on github. |
| 15:58 |
Zeno` |
I am in bed. asleep as well |
| 15:59 |
shadowzone |
http://www.mediafire.com/download/m4jc2nn1v0ruh0e/shadowtest.tar.gz |
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shadowzone |
If you could just download that and test it for me that'd be awesome. |
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shadowzone |
You might have to compile it. |
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FourFire |
VanessaE: I have a question about your texturepack |
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VanessaE |
hm? |
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FourFire |
why is the hand a freaky picture? |
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VanessaE |
explain |
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FourFire |
the hand on your texturepack is photorealistic, this puts me off as a player |
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VanessaE |
er, HDX is supposed to be photorealistic all the way through. |
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FourFire |
playerhand, image |
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FourFire |
oh well, uhh can you point me to a 128px-256px texture pack which is not photorealistic and up to date? |
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Zeno` |
night all |
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VanessaE |
I don't know off the top of my hand what is "up to date" but sphax is nice |
| 16:16 |
FourFire |
ok |
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VanessaE |
that reminds me... just pushed an update for the hand (the wrist was still extruding out, but it's only visible on wide screens. fixed.) |
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VanessaE |
there, fixed in smaller sizes too. |
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kaeza |
VanessaE, Zeno`, I can only test server stuff currently, due to VM fecking crashing if MT opens a display |
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kaeza |
(and too lazy to troubleshoot) |
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VanessaE |
eick |
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rubenwardy |
Hi all! |
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ElectronLibre |
Hello rubenwardy :D! |
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rubenwardy |
!seen Wuzzy |
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MinetestBot |
rubenwardy: wuzzy was last seen at 2014-11-01 23:24:02 UTC on #minetest-de |
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rubenwardy |
Just spent half an hour working on a false bug report on https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=47&t=5831 |
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rubenwardy |
:( |
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iqualfragile |
i need testing on windows |
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iqualfragile |
https://gist.github.com/iqualfragile/bc0864e1cc9830d40e0a |
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rubenwardy |
Added stack trace back to the craft recipe checker - https://gist.github.com/rubenwardy/5504537 |
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ElectronLibre |
iqualfragile, are you trying to create a kind of mumble client inside minetest? |
| 17:56 |
iqualfragile |
ElectronLibre: no |
| 17:56 |
ElectronLibre |
So what is it exactly? |
| 17:58 |
ElectronLibre |
Oh, I see, I've read the title xD. I can't help you sorry, not able to compile on Windows. |
| 17:58 |
Calinou |
Mumble positional audio support |
| 17:58 |
Calinou |
very good |
| 17:58 |
Calinou |
make a PR |
| 17:59 |
iqualfragile |
Calinou: first i need testing for crappy platforms |
| 17:59 |
iqualfragile |
like mac and windows |
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iqualfragile |
would not get accepted otherwise i think |
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Calinou |
Mac isn't a platform though (-: |
| 18:01 |
zat |
Calinou: its a hardware platform =D |
| 18:01 |
Calinou |
OS X |
| 18:05 |
zat |
That isnt a hardware platform |
| 18:05 |
iqualfragile |
darvin |
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VanessaE |
zat: it is if you allow for old enough Mac's. |
| 18:05 |
VanessaE |
(as I recall, older versions of OS X were rather specific to the underlying hardware) |
| 18:08 |
Calinou |
builds for OS X are quite version-specific |
| 18:08 |
Calinou |
a lot of software is 10.8+ |
| 18:08 |
Calinou |
some is 10.9+ |
| 18:08 |
Calinou |
thankfully, updates are free of charge now |
| 18:09 |
iqualfragile |
its only about shared memory |
| 18:09 |
iqualfragile |
don't think that changed |
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VanessaE |
Calinou: if the OS will run on your hardware. |
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| 18:10 |
zat |
I compile my kernel so its hardware specific to my laptop |
| 18:10 |
Calinou |
all Macs > 2006 are Intel, so no problem |
| 18:11 |
VanessaE |
this old PowerPC-based Mac we have here only runs 10.4.11 at most; support was dropped for PPC after that. |
| 18:12 |
coagen |
Calinou: 10.10 apps are supposed to have "continuity" built in |
| 18:12 |
* sfan5 |
meows at VanessaE |
| 18:12 |
VanessaE |
meow |
| 18:12 |
coagen |
Calinou: this works by uploading ur files to apples servers! :D |
| 18:13 |
* shadowzone |
meows |
| 18:13 |
coagen |
upgrade to 10.10 now! all ur filez are applez |
| 18:14 |
SylvieLorxu |
I prefer 7 |
| 18:14 |
SylvieLorxu |
(What 10.10 are we talking about?) |
| 18:14 |
SylvieLorxu |
Oh, OS X |
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| 18:15 |
coagen |
http://soylentnews.org/comments.pl?sid=4571&cid=110429 |
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| 18:18 |
Calinou |
VanessaE, you can make it run recent Ubuntu/Debian |
| 18:18 |
Calinou |
(Ubuntu is unofficial though) |
| 18:19 |
zat |
systemd is so good, I just cant understand the clueless techs that dislike it |
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| 18:22 |
VanessaE |
Calinou: Abe says he's not sure he'd want to.. feels kinda funny to overwrite it; wants to learn OS X a bit first. |
| 18:22 |
coagen |
zat: systemDOOM owns you |
| 18:22 |
coagen |
zat: if you cant understand, then you may need to do some more reading, if you want to understand that is |
| 18:23 |
coagen |
zat: join #debianfork or just read the comments on these articles: http://soylentnews.org/search.pl?query=systemd |
| 18:24 |
zat |
coagen: I know a lot of it |
| 18:24 |
zat |
and I am right |
| 18:24 |
coagen |
zat: also, for myself, I would hardly call 16+ years of linux admin experience, "clueless" |
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| 18:25 |
Calinou |
that's the proble |
| 18:25 |
Calinou |
“old fartâ€Â (no offense) admins are the primary whiners |
| 18:25 |
zat |
Calinou: +1 :P |
| 18:25 |
Krock |
Oba di, oba da, let's go on.. |
| 18:25 |
Calinou |
so a vocal minority is whining about it endlessly – to no avail |
| 18:25 |
Calinou |
get up-to-date |
| 18:25 |
VanessaE |
Krock: "..life goes on" |
| 18:26 |
Krock |
VanessaE, whatver. you see what I mean |
| 18:26 |
coagen |
Calinou: https://xkcd.com/743/ |
| 18:26 |
zat |
while the admins that really find it useful just use it instead of making noise |
| 18:26 |
Calinou |
see http://forkfedora.org/ for good satire |
| 18:26 |
VanessaE |
thou shalt not misquote The Beatles. |
| 18:26 |
Krock |
yeah. *sits onto a dark edge* |
| 18:27 |
Calinou |
there are other, more worth-it things to whine on |
| 18:27 |
coagen |
Calinou: the experienced admins are not whining. they are doing something about it |
| 18:27 |
Calinou |
their so-called “fork†will get no traction – it's predictable |
| 18:27 |
coagen |
Calinou: for example #manjaro-openrc is a project to use gentoo's openrc init w/manjaro and it is progressing rapidly |
| 18:28 |
coagen |
Calinou: at this point I think they are still waiting to decide if a debian fork is necessary |
| 18:28 |
Calinou |
is it the default? nope |
| 18:28 |
Calinou |
init system is completely invisible to most users |
| 18:28 |
Calinou |
(even some distribution contributors…) |
| 18:28 |
VanessaE |
coagen: and THAT will have me a little worried if they fork... |
| 18:28 |
coagen |
Calinou: if an init choice is not present in the installer, then seperate isos with sysv will surely be created |
| 18:29 |
coagen |
Calinou: incorrect, the init system is what makes things work, when it doesn't users notice |
| 18:29 |
Calinou |
forking also divides people |
| 18:29 |
Calinou |
see Freeminer |
| 18:29 |
Calinou |
intentional anti-competitive practices |
| 18:29 |
iqualfragile |
what dumbfolds me is that people fail to understand that systemd is the greatest init system ever |
| 18:29 |
coagen |
forking is a necessity sometimes |
| 18:29 |
coagen |
iqualfragile: it is not. |
| 18:29 |
iqualfragile |
there is literally no problem with systemd as init system |
| 18:29 |
iqualfragile |
its logically as fast as it can get, also robust and shit |
| 18:30 |
Calinou |
forking is a necessity when software goes proprietary |
| 18:30 |
zat |
what I like the most of systemd is that I say what I want and not what I want plus how to have it, normally with a huge bunch of suboptimal and repeated spaghetti code |
| 18:30 |
Calinou |
that's the only serious reason I find, also with software being bought by an evil company |
| 18:30 |
coagen |
iqualfragile: what is great about injecting 250k+ lines of new, untested, binary code into your init system instead of 30+ years of 10k lines of rock solid code? |
| 18:30 |
Calinou |
other reasons are a luxury |
| 18:30 |
VanessaE |
I don't give a rat's ass, two shits, a fuck, or a fart whether the init system is SysV, systemd, or something else, as long as there's at least one logical place for me to insert my own startup scripts, and it just works. |
| 18:30 |
Calinou |
binary code? |
| 18:31 |
Calinou |
VanessaE, a Carbone's rat ass? |
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coagen |
Calinou: systemd is written in C, so errors can be exponetially greater than errors in sysv, a series of bash scripts |
| 18:31 |
iqualfragile |
coagen: hmm, well, maybe that it replaces the ugly mess that startup scripsts are |
| 18:31 |
VanessaE |
Calinou: not even a NOSTALGIA GAME rat's ass :) |
| 18:31 |
iqualfragile |
and provides a lot more functionallity |
| 18:31 |
iqualfragile |
additionally: is that the line count for the whole systemd project? |
| 18:31 |
coagen |
zat: suboptimal, or easy to debug? |
| 18:31 |
iqualfragile |
or just the init daemon? |
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| 18:32 |
zat |
coagen: suboptimal and hard to debug |
| 18:32 |
coagen |
RedHat means to force its init system into all other distros, to create one Linux/SystemD... this will doom other distros in a sense as they'll always be trying to catch up to SystemDeath |
| 18:33 |
zat |
one thing that I find interesting is that old admins complain about mighthappens and hardly ever about reality |
| 18:33 |
iqualfragile |
coagen: shh, you go to #fucksystemd and rant on, ok? |
| 18:33 |
Krock |
I'm alone there -^ |
| 18:34 |
coagen |
iqualfragile: startup scripts are a beautiful melody played by the bash violin, not a crypic mess of un-reusable code that breaks on every version of increasing internal system kleptofication |
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coagen |
zat: incorrect, bash is easy. if you do not wish to learn it, then enjoy SystemDeath |
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iqualfragile |
> bash |
| 18:35 |
iqualfragile |
> easy |
| 18:35 |
iqualfragile |
welly, yes |
| 18:35 |
coagen |
zat: incorrect, it has happened in reality, and worse is coming. |
| 18:35 |
iqualfragile |
it is easy to just run python |
| 18:35 |
iqualfragile |
and do your shit in there |
| 18:35 |
zat |
coagen: I dont need a procedural language for stating my non procedural desires |
| 18:35 |
coagen |
iqualfragile: come to #debianfork and lets rant |
| 18:35 |
iqualfragile |
but creating complex programms in bash is a horrible mess |
| 18:35 |
Calinou |
Bash is a rather strange programming language, but does what it should do very well compared to Windows' Batch ;) |
| 18:36 |
coagen |
zat: procedural lang's exist for a reason. because they're reliable |
| 18:36 |
coagen |
I <3 bash |
| 18:36 |
sol_invictus |
it's you rather strange, Calinou :D |
| 18:37 |
iqualfragile |
yeah, besides that litle bit where you could make bash run functions defined in env vars |
| 18:37 |
coagen |
iqualfragile: right! the beauty of open source code, the community found it and fixed it. |
| 18:38 |
coagen |
iqualfragile: right now redhat is funding systemDoom, what happens when the money dries up? |
| 18:38 |
iqualfragile |
coagen: well, systemd is open source, too |
| 18:38 |
iqualfragile |
also you have not answered my question |
| 18:38 |
zat |
coagen: procedural exists for a reason, for procedural algorithms... would you code css in a procedural way for its more reliable? mixing pears and apples that is. |
| 18:38 |
iqualfragile |
is the systemd line count for the init daemon or the whole project |
| 18:38 |
iqualfragile |
otherwise you are comparing directx to opengl |
| 18:39 |
coagen |
iqualfragile: it doesn't matter because the init daemon was the original goal, and now it has eclipsed that and is infecting everything, if it were still only about init, then we could have that discussion |
| 18:39 |
VanessaE |
Calinou: strange?! you heretic! |
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VanessaE |
:) |
| 18:40 |
VanessaE |
bash is the perfect language :P |
| 18:40 |
VanessaE |
(maybe not) |
| 18:40 |
iqualfragile |
coagen: riiiiight, i totally forgot it was impossible to not use the other parts of the systemd project |
| 18:40 |
iqualfragile |
oh, wait, i am! |
| 18:40 |
Calinou |
AFAIK, Red Hat is far from bankruptcy |
| 18:40 |
Calinou |
they could save a lot of money |
| 18:40 |
coagen |
I find that only the young and dumb readily jump on the systemDeath bandwagon. may they all get ebola |
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coagen |
:| |
| 18:40 |
zat |
coagen: if you dont like that its taking over about too much, then do something about that... attacking its declarative nature is out of context here |
| 18:41 |
coagen |
iqualfragile: you know they complie in everything by default, don't act like its not true |
| 18:41 |
iqualfragile |
coagen: well, then better go and tell "them" no to, eh? |
| 18:41 |
coagen |
iqualfragile: with each consumption of a reliable gnu app, they say "systemd has a new feature!" ... fucking stupid |
| 18:42 |
iqualfragile |
coagen: no, dude, you don't seem to understand |
| 18:42 |
iqualfragile |
the init daemon is not the same as the systemd-project |
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| 18:42 |
Calinou |
usage of GNU stuff is on the decrease, like it or not :/ |
| 18:42 |
iqualfragile |
just don't use the rest of the systemd project and its ok |
| 18:42 |
Calinou |
people are fullfilling their “mission†|
| 18:43 |
coagen |
zat: I am doing something about it. We have an open discussion forum in #debianfork about the subject, and we are working on plans of action, #manjaro-openrc already has two isos, a net install and an openbox version, you too can test a SystemD free iso today! :D |
| 18:44 |
coagen |
iqualfragile: its not ok, as SystemDeath has infected other projects through coercement other other means of collusion. |
| 18:44 |
iqualfragile |
explain |
| 18:44 |
iqualfragile |
also i kinda refuse taking you seriously as long as you call things names |
| 18:44 |
iqualfragile |
right cootie? |
| 18:45 |
zat |
coagen: I have tried them long before SystemD came to existence, and I dont miss them at all |
| 18:45 |
coagen |
Calinou: and why is gnu stuff on the decrease? because systemDeath is claiming that their new infections are "features" that replaced reliable gnu apps |
| 18:45 |
Calinou |
calling projects or hardware names is unprofessional, avoid doing it |
| 18:45 |
Calinou |
coagen, it's not linked to systemd |
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Calinou |
but usually, non-GNU stuff ends up being more convenient… or more permissively licensed (not the case of systemd here) |
| 18:45 |
Calinou |
(reason 2 being quite prevalent these days) |
| 18:45 |
coagen |
iqualfragile: and I kinda refuse to take you seriously because you've drunk the kool-aid |
| 18:46 |
iqualfragile |
tl;dr cooties dislikes systemd has no real arguments but is enraged and professional |
| 18:46 |
iqualfragile |
can we now move on? |
| 18:46 |
coagen |
zat: openrc is amazing, so much better than SystemDeath |
| 18:46 |
SylvieLorxu |
OpenRC <3 |
| 18:46 |
Calinou |
OpenRC is the LXDE of init systems |
| 18:47 |
coagen |
Calinou: i'll call it what it is |
| 18:47 |
SylvieLorxu |
coagen: Lightweight and does the job? |
| 18:47 |
coagen |
SystemDeath, SystemDoom, SystemDestroyer of all things good in the world |
| 18:47 |
SylvieLorxu |
*Calinou |
| 18:47 |
coagen |
SylvieLorxu: damn straight |
| 18:47 |
zat |
coagen: declarative or procedural? if the latter then I dont want |
| 18:47 |
Calinou |
SylvieLorxu, does the job… not for everything |
| 18:47 |
coagen |
SylvieLorxu ^5 |
| 18:48 |
SylvieLorxu |
Calinou: What does it not do? It boots up my desktop, what more should an init system do? |
| 18:48 |
SylvieLorxu |
Well, enable you to restart deamons and so, does that too |
| 18:48 |
Calinou |
not enough flexibility for some admins |
| 18:49 |
Calinou |
desktop user's usage of init systems has nothing to do with a server |
| 18:49 |
coagen |
iqualfragile: the only reason I spoke up was because zat said "13:19 < zat> systemd is so good, I just cant understand the clueless techs that dislike it" |
| 18:49 |
SylvieLorxu |
...Like? |
| 18:49 |
coagen |
iqualfragile: I decided I must respond to it |
| 18:49 |
SylvieLorxu |
The only thing that's not flexible enough for me is systemd |
| 18:49 |
zat |
a good list of benefits of systemd https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?pid=1149530#p1149530 |
| 18:49 |
SylvieLorxu |
zat: a list of some of the bad of systemd: http://boycottsystemd.org/ |
| 18:50 |
coagen |
Calinou: I asked the #manjaro-openrc guys for a xen script for openrc, they had it done in 2 hrs. I still haven't had time to test it and that was three days ago |
| 18:50 |
SylvieLorxu |
It ever corrupts your log files |
| 18:50 |
SylvieLorxu |
Just, amazing |
| 18:50 |
SylvieLorxu |
Reimplementing things in such a way they get broken that they couldn't possibly break in before |
| 18:50 |
coagen |
Calinou: reliable init systems that do the same thing and attempt to adhere to a specific set of goals is just as important on the server as the desktop |
| 18:51 |
zat |
SylvieLorxu: looks more like a compilation of ideological arguments |
| 18:51 |
SylvieLorxu |
zat: Have you even read it? |
| 18:51 |
SylvieLorxu |
You must be a fast reader |
| 18:51 |
zat |
SylvieLorxu: I read it like half a year ago |
| 18:51 |
coagen |
zat: a good list of how those are falacies: http://judecnelson.blogspot.com/2014/09/systemd-biggest-fallacies.html |
| 18:52 |
SylvieLorxu |
"Journal corruption" also sounds very "ideological" |
| 18:52 |
SylvieLorxu |
"6. systemd's size makes it a single point of failure. As of this writing, systemd has had 9 CVE reports, since its inception in March 201010. So far, this may not seem like that much, but its essential and overbearing nature will make it a juicy target for crackers, as it is far smaller in breadth than the Linux kernel itself, yet seemingly just as critical." |
| 18:52 |
SylvieLorxu |
^ That's horrible |
| 18:52 |
SylvieLorxu |
s/201010/2010/ |
| 18:53 |
zat |
I still have to see how any of those alleged issues happen, never ever had a single issue with systemd... could it be that the rest world uses another software called the same? |
| 18:53 |
coagen |
zat, iqualfragile, Calinou: do you want your system hacked? |
| 18:53 |
coagen |
if so then use systemDeath |
| 18:53 |
SylvieLorxu |
9 CVEs is really bad |
| 18:53 |
VanessaE |
zat: the rest of the world gets windows viruses. yet there's always that ONE guy who doesn't. |
| 18:53 |
zat |
or someone tell me how to reproduce a bug |
| 18:53 |
VanessaE |
do viruses for windows exist or not? |
| 18:53 |
Calinou |
systemd is always in development |
| 18:53 |
coagen |
zat: read the CVEs, THATS WHAT THEY'RE FORE |
| 18:54 |
coagen |
*for |
| 18:54 |
Calinou |
like most free software projects, like Wikipedia |
| 18:54 |
Calinou |
it is a stability tradeoff in order to be always able to be changed |
| 18:54 |
Calinou |
you don't want completely frozen software, do you? |
| 18:54 |
SylvieLorxu |
https://cve.mitre.org/cgi-bin/cvekey.cgi?keyword=systemd <- There's 7 bugs here they have managed to make that allowed people to take over your PC in 4 years |
| 18:54 |
SylvieLorxu |
That's a lot |
| 18:55 |
coagen |
Calinou: right, one day a systemDeath system has 8 CVE's and one day it has 11+, such great software choice! |
| 18:55 |
coagen |
Calinou: no one wants frozen software, what people want is reliable, safe software, that has a clear set of goals |
| 18:55 |
iqualfragile |
no remote problems |
| 18:55 |
coagen |
and stops at those goals |
| 18:55 |
coagen |
and no more |
| 18:55 |
iqualfragile |
90% not in init |
| 18:56 |
iqualfragile |
no problem there |
| 18:56 |
iqualfragile |
or actually, there is not a single problem in the init, is there |
| 18:56 |
VanessaE |
bbl |
| 18:56 |
coagen |
iqualfragile: ok, so then 90% in the "features" that for some reason replace standards adhering gnu apps that did not need to be replaced |
| 18:57 |
iqualfragile |
coagen: yeah |
| 18:57 |
iqualfragile |
see, no problem |
| 18:57 |
SylvieLorxu |
That's the whole problem with systemd |
| 18:57 |
SylvieLorxu |
The unnecessary bloat |
| 18:57 |
SylvieLorxu |
Making it an easy target |
| 18:57 |
coagen |
iqualfragile: incorect, that is the problem, those features are enabled by default |
| 18:57 |
zat |
omfg there were some bugs, nobody should ever use that software ewer again. :P |
| 18:57 |
coagen |
iqualfragile: are you not paying attention or something? |
| 18:57 |
SylvieLorxu |
Hell, it has a BUILT IN WEB SERVER |
| 18:57 |
SylvieLorxu |
How do they come up with these things?! |
| 18:58 |
coagen |
zat: bugs are important to resolve, SystemDeath has only added more bugs when before there was a stable init platform |
| 18:58 |
zat |
thats why I sometimes like throwing flames... theres always someone that will ignite. LOL |
| 18:59 |
Calinou |
even games have CVEs |
| 18:59 |
coagen |
zat: so you're a troll then? |
| 18:59 |
Calinou |
PulseAudio had a lot of bugs too; users reporting bugs (and not just whining about them) helped fix it |
| 18:59 |
zat |
coagen: probably :) |
| 18:59 |
coagen |
Calinou: yes, of course |
| 18:59 |
SylvieLorxu |
I don't know of any game that allows people to delete random files of other users and so |
| 18:59 |
Calinou |
now PulseAudio is good |
| 18:59 |
SylvieLorxu |
PulseAudio still doesn't work on my desktop |
| 18:59 |
Calinou |
it's a necessity to use some preliminary-state software, sometimes |
| 18:59 |
SylvieLorxu |
It's pathetic |
| 19:00 |
coagen |
Calinou: PA is still shit, several distros refuse to package it, and BSD's stay the hell away from it |
| 19:00 |
zat |
SylvieLorxu: why blaming the software? |
| 19:00 |
coagen |
SylvieLorxu: actually there were some bugs in quake that allowed stuff like that |
| 19:00 |
SylvieLorxu |
zat: Because it's the software that's not working |
| 19:00 |
SylvieLorxu |
ALSA works fine |
| 19:01 |
SylvieLorxu |
lol, clear troll |
| 19:01 |
zat |
SylvieLorxu: what if its your fault? |
| 19:01 |
SylvieLorxu |
"Why blame the software for the software not working?" |
| 19:01 |
SylvieLorxu |
Haha |
| 19:01 |
coagen |
lol |
| 19:01 |
zat |
its common between certain admins to ever blame selectively. |
| 19:01 |
* coagen |
puts a SystemDunce hat on zat, Calinou, and iqualfragile |
| 19:02 |
* coagen |
dances |
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zat |
well, you cant teach new tricks to old dogs... |
| 19:03 |
* coagen |
pushes the button to start the SystemDummy car crash test! |
| 19:03 |
zat |
the resistant to change stays in the road |
| 19:03 |
coagen |
rofly |
| 19:03 |
zat |
sooner or later |
| 19:04 |
coagen |
no, SystemDummys crash and make things bad for everyone else |
| 19:04 |
coagen |
thats the whole point |
| 19:04 |
zat |
and by the way of https://cve.mitre.org/cgi-bin/cvekey.cgi?keyword=systemd |
| 19:04 |
zat |
-> https://cve.mitre.org/cgi-bin/cvekey.cgi?keyword=init |
| 19:04 |
coagen |
if you don't care about the choice of init system, then you won't care about other important things |
| 19:05 |
zat |
such as getting the work done? :P |
| 19:05 |
coagen |
thats why you need to pull over and stop before you crash into the wall of SystemDoom |
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SylvieLorxu |
zat: The first result is already not related to an init system |
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Calinou |
<SylvieLorxu> ALSA works fine |
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coagen |
zat: exactly, ready the wikipedia page about the original sysv init, a single file, rc.conf. it did just that. got everything up an running so people could get work done |
| 19:06 |
Calinou |
management of multiple sound sources is poor |
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Calinou |
good GUI applications are scarce |
| 19:06 |
Calinou |
there are reasons as to why PulseAudio was made, like systemd – see its Wikipedia page |
| 19:06 |
Calinou |
describes it well |
| 19:06 |
coagen |
Calinou: then improve upon working code, dont re-invent the wheel!! |
| 19:06 |
Calinou |
USB headsets and such are also on the rise |
| 19:06 |
Calinou |
they have their own built-in sound card |
| 19:06 |
Calinou |
sometimes you have to recode something entirely |
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Calinou |
if we didn't do this for Minetest, we wouldn't have Freetype fonts for instance |
| 19:07 |
Calinou |
or meshnodes |
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coagen |
zat, Calinou: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Init |
| 19:07 |
zat |
systemd: "it is hotplug capable: systemd assumes that all resources may appear and dissapear at any time" |
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zat |
try achieve that with bash scripts |
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zat |
and coordinate a big tree of dependant proccesses |
| 19:08 |
coagen |
Calinou: of course, but that something, should be preceeded by a clear set of goals and standards, then those implemented, and nothing more |
| 19:10 |
coagen |
zat: *nix systems have devices as files, so of course they may be added/removed, and udev helped to make this dynamic |
| 19:10 |
zat |
but I want to declare the architecture of my services... |
| 19:11 |
coagen |
zat: but since being absorbed into SystemDeath, the gentoo project has reconised this problem and now maintains eudev, which is used by manjaro-openrc |
| 19:11 |
zat |
not to code it in bash |
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coagen |
zat: openrc init does not make you code it in bash, but allows you to fall back safely onto sysv init as it does not run as pid 1 |
| 19:12 |
coagen |
zat: whereas systemDeath requires it be pid 1 and refuses to function any other way, so there is no fallback, no safety |
| 19:12 |
zat |
I wonder now... why isnt a init daemon like systemd a module for the kernel? |
| 19:13 |
coagen |
zat: it may be in the future if RedHat and the SystemDerps have their way, I would not be surprised if they fork the kernel |
| 19:13 |
coagen |
zat: to be honest, I hope they do, and leave the rest of the world, who want a stable, reliable, functioning system, alone. |
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zat |
a module for that would be quite stable |
| 19:19 |
Krock |
!seen Esteban |
| 19:19 |
MinetestBot |
Krock: esteban was last seen at 2014-05-20 23:46:41 UTC on #minetest |
| 19:19 |
Krock |
!seen Esteban_ |
| 19:19 |
MinetestBot |
Krock: esteban_ was last seen at 2013-12-11 19:30:46 UTC on #minetest |
| 19:19 |
coagen |
zat: right, with the history of the SystemD project and its ever fluxuating functionality? lol |
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Krock |
!tell Esteban :< 666 posts |
| 19:19 |
MinetestBot |
Krock: I'll pass that on when Esteban is around |
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zat |
I am talking about a declarative init daemon |
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zat |
btw, why its bad that systemd has pid 1? |
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coagen |
zat: <14:21 < zat> btw, why its bad that systemd has pid 1?> .... http://judecnelson.blogspot.com/2014/09/systemd-biggest-fallacies.html |
| 19:22 |
zat |
coagen: care to explain? |
| 19:24 |
coagen |
zat: i'll not paste it here, we've discussed it enough |
| 19:24 |
coagen |
zat: if you want, join #debianfork and we'll discuss further |
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coagen |
zat: thanks for giving me this oportunity to help educate others on the dangers of SystemD |
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coagen |
zat: I'm the only one there active anyway... :| |
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zat |
see minetest people? you all just got educated! |
| 19:28 |
* ElectronLibre |
is happy to get educated. |
| 19:29 |
hmmmm |
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UIz48gG5hV4 |
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ElectronLibre |
!title |
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MinetestBot |
ElectronLibre: Saturday night fever in Russia - YouTube |
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Krock |
hmmmm, a a a staying alive¨! |
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Krock |
oh noes |
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* Krock |
facedesks |
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Krock |
purrfect. YT loads days again.. |
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rubenwardy |
y are you names y? |
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rubenwardy |
y are you named y? |
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y |
y not |
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* ElectronLibre |
looks at y and say : "I like this nickname". |
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y |
thanks |
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y |
I know I am a beauty |
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sol_invictus |
hmmmm, lol'd at the video |
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Krock |
http://i.imgur.com/5O8nuky.png |
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Amaz |
My eyes! |
| 20:01 |
Krock |
trololo |
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ElectronLibre |
Too many colors to me x-x |
| 20:03 |
Krock |
only 260 |
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Chicken_shadow |
holy...shittake mushrooms. |
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Chicken_shadow |
My eyes fell out of my head. |
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Krock |
!c 6**3 |
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MinetestBot |
216 |
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Krock |
216 actually |
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Calinou |
yes |
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Krock |
I could use #RRGGBB too... would be interesting |
| 20:04 |
Calinou |
I know 2³ by heart |
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Calinou |
6³ I meant |
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Krock |
Y? |
| 20:04 |
Calinou |
I know powers of 2 up to 20 (and 2^24) by heart :P |
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Krock |
k |
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Krock |
!c 1**999999 |
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MinetestBot |
1 |
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Krock |
I know powers of 1 |
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Krock |
and 0 |
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y |
I like that |
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Calinou |
heh, you got Axew's name |
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Amaz |
!c 0**583828 |
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MinetestBot |
0 |
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hmmmm |
I opened a company selling landmines disguised as prayer mats. |
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hmmmm |
Prophets are going through the roof. |
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ElectronLibre |
What?! xD |
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kilbith |
can I be your employee, hmmmm ? |
| 20:31 |
ElectronLibre |
You're gonna explode kilbith, be carefull with these landmines... |
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kilbith |
but it's a noble cause |
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Amaz |
So, when you used a prayer mat, you would be blown up? |
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hmmmm |
lol |
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kilbith |
you have not understand |
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hmmmm |
just a silly pun |
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ElectronLibre |
You would be blown up if you leave the mat. |
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ElectronLibre |
(would? No, you will be blown up when you will leave the mat) |
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hisforever |
changed puters |
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| 21:28 |
* ElectronLibre |
cannot understand why y. |
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y |
y not! |
| 21:30 |
ElectronLibre |
You've joined the private club of the bottom-of-the-list nicknames ^^. |
| 21:31 |
Amaz |
Only in 4th place. |
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y |
I have nicks from all the spectrum |
| 21:33 |
ElectronLibre |
Yes from A to Z I guess. |
| 21:33 |
kilbith |
!seen BlockMen |
| 21:33 |
MinetestBot |
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| 21:33 |
y |
e, k, i, l, h, y, n |
| 21:35 |
Amaz |
Generally, threatening to close the pull requests makes devs who like it stand up and merge ;) |
| 21:35 |
Amaz |
kilbith ↑ |
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kilbith |
i dont like to threat the devs... |
| 21:36 |
Amaz |
I did it for the dungeons pull, merged the same day ;P |
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Guest86013 |
huh? |
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ElectronLibre |
Amaz, it's not a very good way to make code merged... :| |
| 21:41 |
Amaz |
Nope. |
| 21:41 |
Amaz |
But, it works :D |
| 21:41 |
kilbith |
not anymore now ;) |
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ElectronLibre |
Devs are not kids with just the privilege to push and merge code... :| |
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Amaz |
The thing was, two devs had approved it, and it was still being left to rot... |
| 21:45 |
freelikegnu |
remember when all the "good" shampoos had jojoba in them? |
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ElectronLibre |
Amaz, I see. |
| 21:46 |
ElectronLibre |
freelikegnu, it's was not a long time ago. Why? |
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hisforever |
how do I clear this screen of old text? |
| 21:47 |
ElectronLibre |
hisforever, /clean |
| 21:47 |
CraigyDavi |
or /clear |
| 21:47 |
ElectronLibre |
Oops, thank you CraigyDavi. |
| 21:48 |
freelikegnu |
jojoa1997's nick just caused a flashback |
| 21:48 |
hisforever |
thanks that worked |
| 21:48 |
jojoa1997 |
freelikegnu like what? |
| 21:48 |
freelikegnu |
here some more text that will be old soon |
| 21:48 |
hisforever |
lol |
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freelikegnu |
I dont need this text either |
| 21:49 |
ElectronLibre |
hisforever, you can also try the /ignore command on users, like freelikegnu x). |
| 21:49 |
freelikegnu |
jojoa1997: like GNU... I should fix my nick |
| 21:50 |
jojoa1997 |
no i meant what was the flashback [16:48:04] <freelikegnu> jojoa1997's nick just caused a flashback |
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hisforever |
well its kind of nice to have it up to go back too just in case you forgot something lol |
| 21:51 |
ElectronLibre |
jojoa1997, I think he remembered about shampoos containing jojoba. |
| 21:52 |
FreeLikeGNU |
jojoa1997: you came into the channel, and I read your nick and immediately thought of some of the shampoo commercials I saw as a kid (about 30 years ago) and the shampoos would advertise the ingredient Jojoba promoting "healthier" hair |
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FreeLikeGNU |
not sure how you make a dead thing healthy |
| 21:53 |
FreeLikeGNU |
though I'm sure hair has a microbiome that requires some kind of nourishment |
| 21:54 |
FreeLikeGNU |
minetest could probably benefit from jojoba |
| 21:54 |
kilbith |
with all those chimical components, the hairs become more dependant of that 'nourishment' |
| 21:54 |
FreeLikeGNU |
kilbith: agreed |
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iqualfragile |
anybody willing to test a patch on windows? |
| 21:55 |
FreeLikeGNU |
I stopped having acne problems when I started rinsing my face with water instead of using all kinds of goofy soaps and medicated cleansers |
| 21:55 |
kilbith |
i dont use industrial shampoos since years, and my hairs are not anymore 'oily' |
| 21:56 |
FreeLikeGNU |
I like the natures gate shampoo... herbal, makes good body wash too |
| 21:56 |
kilbith |
same for toothpaste, i prefer use the clay now |
| 21:56 |
iqualfragile |
nah, i need to use a proper shampoo, to keep my hair nice and glorious |
| 21:57 |
FreeLikeGNU |
charcoal works well too |
| 21:57 |
FreeLikeGNU |
disclaimer: I have less hair on my head then elsewhere |
| 21:57 |
kilbith |
charcoal is more coarse, less refined and less abrasive than clay |
| 21:58 |
kilbith |
but less expensive and more DIY-able |
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FreeLikeGNU |
I keep a cedar chip under my arm |
| 21:58 |
FreeLikeGNU |
keeps the moths aways |
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hisforever |
lol |
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hisforever |
have more hair on my chest than on head hehe |
| 22:01 |
FreeLikeGNU |
my chest has like three or four lonely hairs |
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hisforever |
lol |
| 22:02 |
FreeLikeGNU |
I thought about naming them but I dont want to get too attatched in case I lose them |
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kilbith |
heh |
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hisforever |
I love my manjaro linux os no viruses |
| 22:03 |
hisforever |
feel your nuts jk |
| 22:03 |
FreeLikeGNU |
somedays windows will go away |
| 22:03 |
ElectronLibre |
And ALL the viruses will get recoded for GNU/Linux :s |
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FreeLikeGNU |
but at least the patch will happen the next day |
| 22:04 |
FreeLikeGNU |
script kiddies wont be able to keep up |
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y |
http://xkcd.com/1180/ |
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FreeLikeGNU |
maybe everyone is not looking at every part of the kernel all the time, but I think it would be really hard to keep any exploit intentionally secret for long |
| 22:06 |
FreeLikeGNU |
even ones that may have accidentally existed for years |
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* ElectronLibre |
agrees with y |
| 22:07 |
y |
I have to say "all viruses recoded for linux" is in the first circle |
| 22:09 |
FreeLikeGNU |
now what about virii that exploits a WINE installation... |
| 22:10 |
FreeLikeGNU |
its a great vector, because you can crash the executable easily and it will seem not unusual to the user, no? |
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carlvelleri |
thanks FreelikeGNU now i want some wine............... |
| 22:11 |
FreeLikeGNU |
there are lots of known and documented ways that windows programs crash in wine that may never be fixed |
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carlvelleri |
true |
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kilbith |
FreeLikeGNU : Wine doesn't have an access to the kernel/drivers |
| 22:12 |
FreeLikeGNU |
and many times folks use a nocd executable just to get the app to run in WINE |
| 22:13 |
FreeLikeGNU |
you can still do all kinds of stuff without access to the kernel or root |
| 22:13 |
FreeLikeGNU |
botnet node for instance? |
| 22:13 |
FreeLikeGNU |
you can gather all kinds of personal information as well |
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kilbith |
not if your personnal folder is crypted |
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iqualfragile |
kilbith: well, yes, absolutely |
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iqualfragile |
when you are logged in your personal folder is uncrypted |
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FreeLikeGNU |
how many people in your life encrypt their data. also, what do you do with your encrypted data when you want to view it? |
| 22:17 |
FreeLikeGNU |
good thing we dont have to run minetest in WINE :D |
| 22:17 |
coagen |
encrypt all the things |
| 22:17 |
coagen |
its the only way to stop spying |
| 22:18 |
FreeLikeGNU |
unfortunately that is not the case coagen |
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coagen |
FreeLikeGNU: check w/RMS plz kthx |
| 22:19 |
FreeLikeGNU |
other folks have access to your information, tapping them is probably the more likeley route of someone interested in spying on you I think |
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kilbith |
you can also isolate the system folders of wine elsewhere... |
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FreeLikeGNU |
RMS would tell you that you will never know you are being spied on because the techology you use has proprietary firmware and backdoors |
| 22:23 |
coagen |
FreeLikeGNU: Coreboot FTW! |
| 22:23 |
FreeLikeGNU |
and you must avoid leaving your cell phone on |
| 22:23 |
FreeLikeGNU |
if you must have one |
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FreeLikeGNU |
he see the problem down to the hardware level |
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coagen |
FreeLikeGNU: RMS doesn't carry a cell phone |
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FreeLikeGNU |
iirc I heard in an interview that he does, but only turns it on when it is needed.... will have to get source.. |
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kilbith |
don't care of spying if you're not a terrorist â„¢ |
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FreeLikeGNU |
ah he does state that he does not use one of his own.. |
| 22:26 |
coagen |
kilbith: only terrorists encrypt! |
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FreeLikeGNU |
https://stallman.org/rms-lifestyle.html |
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kilbith |
wow, rms speaks french |
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* kilbith |
feels proud |
| 22:28 |
FreeLikeGNU |
but as you can see that he will use another persons card or phone |
| 22:28 |
FreeLikeGNU |
and he thinks that he avoids being tracked in this way |
| 22:29 |
FreeLikeGNU |
at best he may avoid spam and targeted advertising |
| 22:31 |
FreeLikeGNU |
also he says he would prefer to take the train over flying but asks us to boycot amtrak because the require ID |
| 22:32 |
FreeLikeGNU |
I dont really understand that logic |
| 22:32 |
coagen |
FreeLikeGNU: yeah... that seems bad :\ |
| 22:32 |
FreeLikeGNU |
because he says: I have a credit card, but I use it as rarely as possible. Effectively, only for airline tickets, car rental, and hotel checkin ? because they demand identification anyway. |
| 22:33 |
FreeLikeGNU |
you dont even have to use a credit card for a train ticket iir |
| 22:33 |
FreeLikeGNU |
also I dont think you have to show ID when you board a train... most of the time you just get in and sit and post your stub above the seat |
| 22:34 |
FreeLikeGNU |
sometimes you just show your stub as you board |
| 22:34 |
coagen |
Whats funny is that they have all these sec mechanisms to attempt to verify id, and then some random guy figures out how to print fake boarding passes right from their website... (that was a few years ago, but these vulnerabilities don't go away forever) |
| 22:35 |
coagen |
they just come and go over time |
| 22:35 |
FreeLikeGNU |
I dont think boycotting an already struggling subsidized railway is going to make it better |
| 22:36 |
FreeLikeGNU |
except to make it die completely and the whole rail system gets upgraded (in my dreams) |
| 22:36 |
coagen |
FreeLikeGNU: google "why is amtrak shitty" fun results |
| 22:37 |
FreeLikeGNU |
hehe |
| 22:37 |
coagen |
a quote: "Riding Amtrak is like riding a Greyhound bus for the cost of an airline ticket." |
| 22:37 |
coagen |
damn |
| 22:37 |
FreeLikeGNU |
I've taken long train rides on amtrak and had had several inconvenient things happen, but I still enjoy and find it less stressful than dealing with airports (I like thy actuall flying part) |
| 22:38 |
coagen |
FreeLikeGNU: heh, if I had train access daily.. would use it |
| 22:38 |
FreeLikeGNU |
on a train, you can leave the smelly person you are sitting with and enjoy the rid in the obs car |
| 22:38 |
coagen |
FreeLikeGNU: was in DC once a few years ago, the subway there is so easy to use |
| 22:38 |
FreeLikeGNU |
cant to that on a bus of plane |
| 22:38 |
coagen |
hah, true |
| 22:40 |
FreeLikeGNU |
I lived in Chicago for over 10 years, moved from LA and drove to chicago when I moved... my car was parked on the street for months then I let it get towed as I did not need it |
| 22:40 |
FreeLikeGNU |
should have sold it, but thought I might need it... lame |
| 22:41 |
coagen |
hah |
| 22:43 |
FreeLikeGNU |
it was great to take the "L" around town |
| 22:44 |
FreeLikeGNU |
no car payment, insurance, parking, tickets, maintenance, gas, etc |
| 22:44 |
FreeLikeGNU |
I do miss that |
| 22:45 |
FreeLikeGNU |
I really hope rail transit is more popular than cars in minetest |
| 22:47 |
iqualfragile |
in germany we have trains everywhere |
| 22:47 |
iqualfragile |
like literally every city is connected by train |
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iqualfragile |
and most villages, too |
| 22:48 |
FreeLikeGNU |
very smart |
| 22:50 |
FreeLikeGNU |
I wish I had a train pass that I could use in US, Canada and Mexico and just travel whenever |
| 22:50 |
FreeLikeGNU |
like you have in Europe |
| 22:51 |
iqualfragile |
well, its not cheap |
| 22:51 |
FreeLikeGNU |
maybe there will be such a system for self driving cars in the bizzarro future US |
| 22:51 |
FreeLikeGNU |
cars are very expensive, I know that |
| 22:52 |
iqualfragile |
the bahncard 100 which allows you to ride all trains for free for a year costs 4.090€ |
| 22:52 |
FreeLikeGNU |
thats less than the yearly cost of a car, even when car is paid for |
| 22:53 |
iqualfragile |
yes, and it allows you to use busses and "street-trains" in many cities |
| 22:54 |
iqualfragile |
also includes price reductions on rental cars |
| 22:56 |
FreeLikeGNU |
super bargain in my book |
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FreeLikeGNU |
i think a car might be cheaper if you were driving a bunch of adult family members around.... maybe |
| 22:57 |
iqualfragile |
ah, yes, you can also bring your children for free |
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FreeLikeGNU |
for instance if I visit LA from SF by myself I get on a plane for about the same price as drive, and I save a few hours both ways, but putting a family of two adults and three older kids on a plane or train becomes FAR more expensive than road trip |
| 23:00 |
FreeLikeGNU |
apologies for completely hijacking this channel with off topic banter |
| 23:00 |
iqualfragile |
lel |
| 23:00 |
iqualfragile |
this is #minetest |
| 23:00 |
iqualfragile |
there is no ontopic |
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coagen |
hehe |
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coagen |
iqualfragile: as much as we disagreed, know that I enjoyied our dicussion about systemD earlier |
| 23:05 |
iqualfragile |
i was just trolling |
| 23:05 |
coagen |
iqualfragile: haha |
| 23:06 |
FreeLikeGNU |
could minetest not benefit from systemd integration? |
| 23:06 |
iqualfragile |
FreeLikeGNU: it could, absolutely |
| 23:06 |
coagen |
lol |
| 23:06 |
iqualfragile |
to be more precise: socket activation support |
| 23:06 |
iqualfragile |
that would allow to start and stop servers as needed |
| 23:06 |
iqualfragile |
and thereby allow a single server to serve potentially hundreds of maps |
| 23:07 |
FreeLikeGNU |
fortunately minetest seems pretty well behved when idle |
| 23:07 |
iqualfragile |
yes, but it still eats memory |
| 23:07 |
iqualfragile |
not much, but a bit |
| 23:08 |
FreeLikeGNU |
I guess I would worry about spikes if I was running a bunch of server |
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LittleJoe |
hey cg72 : ) |
| 23:10 |
cg72 |
hi |
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FreeLikeGNU |
as there are spikes as soon as someone is active and exploring anyways |
| 23:12 |
iqualfragile |
FreeLikeGNU: yeah, but you can put the daemons in cgroups and ignore the spikes |
| 23:16 |
OldCoder |
viewing_range_nodes_max = 200 |
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OldCoder |
Does that have any effect when it is in a server side conf file? |
| 23:25 |
FreeLikeGNU |
iqualfragile: that is cool |
| 23:26 |
FreeLikeGNU |
I suppose that one could also have one server binary running many concurrent worlds |
| 23:26 |
FreeLikeGNU |
as a webserver or many other servers work |
| 23:28 |
FreeLikeGNU |
put your world folder in the "active" servers folder and it starts up when someone taps that address:port |
| 23:28 |
FreeLikeGNU |
would be pretty sweet |
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FreeLikeGNU |
welcome back |
| 23:47 |
iqualfragile |
OldCoder: not that i know of |
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iqualfragile |
but you can limit the range of sent nodes |
