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01:49 Jordach ...i should build a sentry gun entitynode
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03:16 Fritigern I am working on a GUI wrapper for minetestserver, using bash and Yad (a fork of Zenity). My problem is whether or not i should put it on the forum.
03:17 Fritigern At the moment, it only lives on my PC and as a gist on github. https://gist.github.com/Fri​tigern/7654e5115c64e87f5cea
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03:33 Cylus Fritigern: Oooh, not a fan of the license. Any chance you could change it to CC BY-SA, as is used in other Minetest resources?
03:34 Fritigern Not a chance. I do not want my stuff to be used for commercial purposes.
03:36 Cylus Then I wouldn't post it. Minetest is a free software community, so -NC terms aren't a great contribution. I don't mean to be rude about that.
03:38 Fritigern I can not be okay with the chance of my non-commercial work, no matter how amateurish it may be, to be used for commercial purposes. It's just not right. It's like i give you a free drink and you go and sell the thing. If i wanted it to be commercially available, i would sell it myself.
03:39 Cylus Yet restricting commercialization means the drink was never free to begin with; it was only gratis.
03:39 Cylus If you don't want your work sold, that's fine.
03:40 Cylus But the simple fact is, one of the great thing about Minetest and most Minetest things is that they *can* be sold.
03:41 Cylus I think the Minetest forum actually requires works be free (including allowing commercialization) in at least the mod subforum.
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04:17 MinetestBot [git] kwolekr -> minetest/minetest: Check minetest.hud_change() parameters on conversion (Fix #1714) 03f3f95 http://git.io/W7jPhg (2014-10-30T00:12:12-04:00)
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06:31 MinetestBot [git] kwolekr -> minetest/minetest: mapgen: Resolve nodes in ctor rather than makeChunk 6b43077 http://git.io/JNVRrA (2014-10-30T02:29:37-04:00)
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06:54 MinetestBot [git] kwolekr -> minetest/minetest: Fix uninitialized variable warning f0ae2da http://git.io/ojcVMA (2014-10-30T02:53:20-04:00)
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07:29 HockeyTeeth any mods for ShadowNinja's server on here?
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10:43 kaeza mornings
10:48 LazyJ G'mornin' ;)
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12:10 Megaf_ Hi all
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13:46 lisacvuk hi, i have a problem, minetest fails to start
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13:46 lisacvuk http://pastie.org/9685500
13:47 Zeno` lisacvuk, can you update to the latest version?
13:47 lisacvuk i did
13:47 Zeno` that was a temporary (1 hour) bug
13:47 Zeno` how did you update?
13:47 lisacvuk muon updater
13:47 lisacvuk i will check now for updates
13:48 PenguinDad lisacvuk: try starting minetest with --disable-unittests
13:49 lisacvuk ok
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13:49 VanessaE no, update instead.
13:49 Zeno` PenguinDad, I dunno... things will be strange
13:49 Zeno` the unit tests are correctly failing
13:49 lisacvuk ok, there is an update
13:50 lisacvuk installed it
13:50 PenguinDad Zeno`: will kittens die?
13:50 Zeno` PenguinDad, maybe
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13:50 Zeno` And we can't have that :(
13:51 lisacvuk works, thanks!
13:51 PenguinDad Of course I didn't want to risk that kittens die :(
13:51 Zeno` PenguinDad, it also may have damaged... Penguins!
13:52 VanessaE or opened wormholes into other quadrants
13:52 Zeno` yeah those as well
13:53 Jordach mmmm new icons https://cdn.mediacru.sh/kVjkDNlw32DU.png
13:53 * Jordach modified another blender.svg
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13:53 Zeno` and also accelerate global climate change and possibly cause thingies in the Oort cloud to change orbit on a collision course with Earth!
13:53 VanessaE NO!  Not the OORT CLOUD!
13:54 Zeno` yes!
13:54 Zeno` the OORT CLOUD
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13:54 VanessaE :D
13:54 PenguinDad VanessaE: Wormholes aren't that bad :P
13:55 VanessaE PenguinDad: even if they open in to the Delta quadrant?
13:56 Zeno` Seriously though
13:57 Zeno` You do know that the mass extinction of the dinosaurs was caused by --disable-unittests, right?
13:57 PenguinDad lol
13:58 VanessaE Zeno`: nonono.  (weird guy from History channel)  [  ALIENS  ]
13:58 Zeno` yes, and the only way the ALIENS got here was...
13:58 Zeno` 'nuff said
13:58 VanessaE through a wormhole from the Delta Quadrant, like I told ya
13:58 Zeno` lol
13:58 PenguinDad *X-files theme begins to play*
13:58 VanessaE so...holy shit, you're right
13:59 Zeno` yep
13:59 VanessaE all my life.....it's.....all a lie...  even the cake!
13:59 Zeno` it left a hole
13:59 ElectronLibre Zeno`, perhaps --disable-unittests will kill all the kittens in the universe, and all the nodes, and all the computers, so please, let's upgrade instead.
13:59 * Jordach starts to see /r/montageparodies appear in thin air
13:59 Zeno` ElectronLibre, great idea :)
13:59 Jordach what if dinosaurs were not kill
13:59 PenguinDad Wait did you see that?
14:00 Zeno` I did
14:00 Zeno` It was a Tyrannosaurus rex... walked down my corridor!
14:00 Zeno` aww crap... and I mean he made a very large crap
14:01 Zeno` like a giant bird poop on my floor. *sigh&
14:01 H-H-H craptastic!
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14:01 PenguinDad Zeno`: what a shitty animal :D
14:01 Zeno` haha :P
14:01 Zeno` very nice pun :3
14:02 Zeno` I have 40 windows open!
14:02 * ElectronLibre gives Zeno` something to make that smell diseappear
14:02 * Zeno` starts to close some
14:02 iqualfragile i have 0 windowss open
14:02 Zeno` lol... not even a TTY?
14:03 VanessaE "But I gotta tell you, these things are real. Since I joined these men, I have seen shit that'll turn you WHITE!"
14:03 iqualfragile does anybody here speak russian?
14:03 * ElectronLibre has got 5 TTYs open, 4 on the same directory, and only one doing something. ._.
14:03 Zeno` tmux ftw
14:03 iqualfragile *screen
14:03 Zeno` or that
14:04 Zeno` whatever floats ya boat
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14:20 davedevils sorry , little question
14:20 davedevils minetest accept overlay ?
14:23 VanessaE overlay?
14:23 davedevils yeah use a texture gray and be colored by propriety
14:24 VanessaE there IS a colorize texture operator
14:24 VanessaE but it's probably not the same as you're thinking of.
14:25 VanessaE (and you can of course also overlay one texture on top of another, or any number of them; this is how dirt with grass is made)
14:26 davedevils i speak for make this http://minecraft.gamepedia.com/Banner
14:26 VanessaE https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=7159
14:27 VanessaE the same effect is possible but as you would see if you read the code, it requires defining a node for each color
14:27 davedevils yeah but no i want use overley with some texture (6)
14:27 VanessaE yeah, no. you can't do that yet.
14:27 davedevils >.<
14:28 VanessaE you'll have to define a node for each color or material you plan to use.
14:28 davedevils omg >.<
14:28 VanessaE there have been proposals to solve at least the color issue, but those made by the core devs suck.
14:28 davedevils this is very fat
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14:29 davedevils yeah i have see >.< devs core make some mistack and sh***
14:29 VanessaE no, it's not that.
14:30 davedevils look they no have fix disable_jump >.<
14:31 VanessaE I can't speak to that.
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14:32 davedevils yeah just i same in global ... dev core are slow or make some sh***
14:32 davedevils it's same*
14:33 VanessaE I wouldn't go so far as to say that.
14:33 VanessaE most of the core devs just have too much other shit to do
14:33 VanessaE some are busy working on whatever part of the engine best suits them.
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14:35 davedevils yeah i understend - i'm dev c++ irl - but work like microsoft (if you have flat tire , you need fix that ... not take the road)
14:35 VanessaE the problem is that sometimes they don't give enough credence to how players and modders actually use the engine.
14:36 davedevils i think he need to see all tickets , not make they he want >.<
14:36 VanessaE davedevils: to be perfectly honest, Microsoft has a history of doing precisely what you say they wouldn't (remove the road instead of fixing the tire).  but I get the point.
14:36 VanessaE there's an old joke that if Microsoft engineers were responsible for fixing a burnt-out light bulb, they'd just declare darkness to be a new standard instead.
14:37 shadowzone VanessaE: I agree with you, and davedevils.
14:39 iqualfragile there is a old but still new joke that microsoft likes to copy network stacks und dislikes copying bug fixes of these network stacks
14:39 ElectronLibre That's not a joke, that's the truth x).
14:41 VanessaE either way your point is fair - yes Minetest engine has problems, and sometimes core devs focus on things that, frankly, don't affect 99% of gameplay.
14:41 VanessaE but that's the nature of open source.
14:41 davedevils just i'm new in minetest (2 month) but OMG the engine is not maked for dev lua or player ... only for dev c++ play ?  >.< ... i make a fork (another again ) if run in same way
14:41 VanessaE each person scratches their own itch
14:42 iqualfragile python interface would be fantastic
14:42 davedevils (not now i no have time i just make minetest for fun not for a second work
14:42 VanessaE a few folks like RealBadAngel are focusing on stuff that directly faces the end user and therefore affects gameplay in some manner
14:42 VanessaE davedevils: no one here is paid to work on Minetest.
14:43 Zeno` hmm
14:43 davedevils yeah i know but i say i no have time at the moment for work in minetest all time
14:43 VanessaE Zeno` has also :)
14:44 iqualfragile one problem is the speed that pull requests get merged with
14:44 iqualfragile which is like 5 a week
14:44 sfan5 it has been worse in the pastr
14:44 sfan5 -r
14:44 davedevils more for disable_jump >.<
14:44 iqualfragile sfan5: i know, im around since c55 gave up developing
14:44 sfan5 iqualfragile: I'm also around since roughly that time
14:45 VanessaE iqualfragile: he didn't give up, he sold out :P
14:45 iqualfragile VanessaE: right, sold to pilzadam
14:45 VanessaE iqualfragile: buildat.  yet another voxel engine.
14:45 iqualfragile yeah, was here when he announced it
14:46 davedevils https://github.com/celeron55/buildat
14:46 diemartin yes, but when c55 "left", he was alone merging stuff. we now have 10 core devs or so
14:46 diemartin (half of which are MIA, BTW)
14:46 iqualfragile diemartin: 10 core devs that all hope the others do the testing
14:46 VanessaE diemartin: and it makes me rather angry at him - he can't find time or energy to contribute to minetest anymore, yet he's got time to start over?  fuck that.
14:47 VanessaE I understand if he has a real life.  we all do.
14:47 sfan5 that minetest-services thing has no real life ;)
14:48 VanessaE I refuse to accept the notion that some of that time should be dedicated to what is effectively a competing engine, when he's gonna just sit around here telling us he "doesn't care", can't be bothered, etc etc etc. and yet won't give up whatever bit of control he still has.,
14:48 diemartin VanessaE, my point is, half of the core devs are not really "active", while the folks that are really active ATM don't have a say in anything
14:48 Zeno` I'm not really sure he should be the subsystem maintainer for Client/Audiovisuals
14:48 VanessaE diemartin: indeed.
14:48 davedevils https://github.com/celeron55​/buildat/blob/master/LICENSE
14:48 davedevils yeah but see that ;)
14:49 Zeno` what about it?
14:49 davedevils not same licence of minetest
14:50 VanessaE davedevils: it's not a fork, why would it have the same license?
14:50 davedevils i know
14:50 davedevils but if you look at the difference of the licence
14:51 iqualfragile VanessaE: i don't really see him controlling too much
14:51 iqualfragile Zeno`: iirc he is ok with giving that up
14:51 VanessaE iqualfragile: he blocks Client A/V stuff if he doesn't like what's there.
14:51 iqualfragile ah, have never seen that, sorry
14:51 Zeno` He's stopping pull requests because he is the maintainer of the subsystem
14:51 davedevils apache licence can use other code licence
14:51 VanessaE and he claims the right to block WHO will take over Client A/V maint also
14:52 Zeno` And he doesn't look at the pull requests, so... I dunno
14:52 Zeno` they just sit there and rot
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14:54 davedevils another question : with meshnode you can use animated node ?
14:55 VanessaE not yet
14:55 VanessaE coming soon
14:55 davedevils like make a fake wind effect
14:55 VanessaE but you can animate the textures.
14:55 davedevils yeah i know i animate texture allready
14:55 VanessaE you cannot animate the mesh itself yet
14:55 VanessaE that'll be soon though
14:55 davedevils yeah but with novembre release ?
14:56 VanessaE maybe, dunno
14:56 davedevils (the next)
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14:56 iqualfragile not likely
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14:56 VanessaE iqualfragile: don't be so sure
14:56 davedevils 4.11 or 5.0 (i dont know if they can say 5.0 because not very fat custom)
14:56 * Zeno` wanders off to watch tv... idling
14:56 VanessaE RealBadAngel: what about it?
14:56 VanessaE davedevils: 0.4.11 it anything
14:56 iqualfragile davedevils: its 0.4.11
14:56 VanessaE 0.5.0 is not coming out any time soon
14:57 VanessaE 0.5.0 will be a "if we will eventually have to break it, do it here" release.
14:57 davedevils maybe if they rewirte packet system
14:57 davedevils lol
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14:58 Zeno` if it's truly semantic versioning (http://semver.org/) then a 0.5.0 release could not break backward compatibility
14:59 iqualfragile Zeno`: its not, we are still <1.0
14:59 iqualfragile it could in theory be broken any time
14:59 davedevils false , a major version can break backward compatibility
14:59 iqualfragile davedevils: what is wrong with "packet" system?
14:59 Zeno` iqualfragile, not as defined by http://semver.org/
15:00 iqualfragile Zeno`: again, we are <1.0
15:00 sfan5 !tell rubenwardy https://forum.minetest.net/vi​ewtopic.php?p=160356#p160356 0.4.12 -> 0.4.11 ??
15:00 MinetestBot sfan5: I'll pass that on when rubenwardy is around
15:00 Zeno` iqualfragile, that matters?
15:00 Amaz sfan5, I noticed that :P
15:00 iqualfragile Zeno`: absolutely, sub 1 are not final releases, but betas/alphas
15:00 iqualfragile therefore they  don't usually guarantee any kind of stability
15:01 davedevils iqualfragile : not very secure ,and maybe can be better
15:01 Zeno` It probably should be bumped to version 1 at some point then
15:01 Amaz No no no!
15:01 Amaz Not ready for that yet...
15:01 sfan5 just a reminder that we are not using a strict semver system
15:01 iqualfragile davedevils: "maybe can be better" "not very secure"? please elaborate
15:01 Zeno` It'll never be "ready" lol
15:01 Amaz Zeno`, probably :P
15:02 iqualfragile additionally the minetest api already is quite stable
15:02 davedevils iqualfragile : too long to show you at the moment
15:03 iqualfragile davedevils: write it up, leave on some minetest-related bugtracker or wiki and link me
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15:05 davedevils iqualfragile : i have begin to write up some custom (like mysql/sqlite switch in config for using it in lua ) and make some test for see what is better or not , maybe release all result if i'm not degusting about minetest before
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15:07 sfan5 davedevils: Minetest supports multiple database backends, see database.h and database-redis.cpp as an example
15:08 davedevils yeah but not like i want
15:08 iqualfragile sfan5: can i haz /dev/null?
15:08 sfan5 now how you want?
15:08 sfan5 iqualfragile: http://devnull-as-a-service.com/
15:09 davedevils now , just test for see what is more better for all way ( hack protect , speed , devhelper ....)
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15:17 davedevils but sfan5 --> i think try to make other chance with mysql , with MyISAM and asynchronize save ( save only 60seconde only moved block and all block moved in ram before set all in mysql and clean)
15:20 davedevils but it's only for test at the moment
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15:26 iqualfragile leguin and asimov hate me
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15:31 iqualfragile proller: do you speak russian?
15:34 coagen iqualfragile: he does
15:35 iqualfragile does anybody else, i just need a sentence translated
15:35 coagen iqualfragile: i speak very basic russian...
15:35 iqualfragile https://i.imgur.com/m7YG0YK.jpg
15:36 coagen I'm going ___ walk on dick
15:36 coagen the third word
15:36 coagen i'm not sure about
15:36 coagen 1 sec
15:38 coagen I'm going for a walk on the middle dick
15:38 coagen weird
15:38 coagen let me double check with a native speaker I know
15:40 coagen iqualfragile: they are not available right now.. I'll check later, but thats all I have atm
15:40 iqualfragile middle lane?
15:40 coagen clearly
15:40 coagen in the commic
15:41 coagen but xyn is dick
15:41 coagen pronounced hu-ey
15:41 iqualfragile ok
15:42 coagen maybe better translated was "i'm going to the middle, went on a dick"
15:42 coagen well
15:43 coagen thats terrible too
15:43 coagen i can tell you more about the context
15:43 coagen but lets stop doing it here
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15:43 coagen pm me if you want more info
15:44 iqualfragile coagen: thank you
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16:09 sol_invictus lol'd at coagen's translation :D
16:10 Cyanberry which was?
16:10 * Cyanberry missed it
16:11 sol_invictus it was like 30 minutes ago
16:11 Cyanberry my ZNC crashed so I didn't se it
16:11 PenguinDad Cyanberry: <coagen> maybe better translated was "i'm going to the middle, went on a dick"
16:12 Cyanberry lol
16:13 sol_invictus okay, I'm bored so i'll translate
16:14 * Cyanberry is going to go play some xonotic
16:14 * PenguinDad has to think about the "Hard Di*k Drive" now
16:14 Cyanberry lol
16:14 Cyanberry Atomicon always says that
16:15 Cyanberry idk if on purpose
16:15 sol_invictus "I'm going to mid lane, f**k you"
16:15 Cyanberry what are we transtaling?
16:16 Cyanberry lol
16:16 Cyanberry transtaling
16:16 Cyanberry XD
16:16 Cyanberry also
16:16 Zeno` it said "f**k"?
16:17 Zeno` that's naughty but I am glad the comic censored it
16:17 PenguinDad lol
16:17 sol_invictus no it's not censored
16:17 coagen sol_invictus: thats much better, thx
16:18 sol_invictus also it looks like the author of the comics used a translator
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16:22 Zeno` cunning
16:27 * sfan5 paws Zeno`
16:27 Zeno` I am now a cat scratching pole? :-o
16:28 VanessaE sfan5: my cat does the coolest thing, wave your hand at her and she'll place her paw on it :)
16:28 sfan5 can you mail me your cat
16:28 Zeno` VanessaE, is your cat a Jedi?
16:28 sfan5 ?
16:28 VanessaE Zeno`: no :)
16:28 VanessaE this is not the cat you're looking for.
16:28 Zeno` lol
16:29 sfan5 VanessaE: can you mail me your cat?
16:30 VanessaE no :)
16:30 eeeeeta yay minetest
16:30 VanessaE hi eeeeeta
16:30 sfan5 why not
16:30 sfan5 I want a cat
16:30 eeeeeta I took the jdukebox mod from BFD and added my own .oggs :D
16:30 VanessaE sfan5: because she's all mine :)
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16:30 sfan5 hm
16:30 sfan5 VanessaE: can you fax me a copy?
16:30 VanessaE sfan5: besides, the dog needs someone to terrorize :)
16:30 PenguinDad We need to find a way to clone the cat :P
16:31 VanessaE nope, don't have a fax :)
16:31 * eeeeeta throws his cat at sfan5
16:31 * sfan5 cats
16:31 eeeeeta cat (v) - to become one with the mindfulness of felines
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16:31 sfan5 !g urbandictionary definiton "cat"
16:31 MinetestBot sfan5: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Cat
16:31 VanessaE sfan5:  but I can send you a photo :)   https://fbcdn-sphotos-c-a.akamaihd.net/hpho​tos-ak-ash2/v/t1.0-9/1185104_10151788875469​840_1871960006_n.jpg?oh=86872e050a7ecdce122​b98af0daa3012&amp;oe=54DE6BF1&amp;__gda__=1​425013637_ad5e10ac44a3fb8f4f6fc875ec98bfdd
16:32 sfan5 VanessaE: !tell your_cat meow
16:32 ElectronLibre A cat on an umbrella *-*
16:32 Zeno` sfan5, here you go: http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-VdQKlLcY1Rc/UZ5b4-m1i3I/​AAAAAAAAASw/f9CK9qONCRk/s1600/ALF+Cat_sandwich.jpg
16:32 eeeeeta sfan5: $ wth is cat
16:33 eeeeeta catThe definitive pet.
16:33 eeeeeta (etc)
16:33 Zeno` nom nom nom
16:33 VanessaE sfan5: here's another of her:  https://fbcdn-sphotos-f-a.akamaihd.net/hphoto​s-ak-xpf1/v/t1.0-9/10302094_10152746876699840​_2982362483262194699_n.jpg?oh=f2286df11f433d2​e6b9be2f31b16740a&amp;oe=54F589BC&amp;__gda__​=1425013699_3ba39837e8226710b8f0bfd5b169e2b7
16:33 sfan5 hm
16:33 Zeno` VanessaE, that looks just like Lucky!
16:33 sfan5 can't I theoretically google that number on your cats thingy and find out where you live?
16:33 sfan5 hm
16:33 * sfan5 meows
16:33 VanessaE sfan5: I don't care :P
16:33 sfan5 oh I see
16:34 * sfan5 mrows at VanessaE's cat
16:34 Zeno` VanessaE, http://oyster.ignimgs.com/wordpr​ess/stg.ign.com/2012/06/alf1.jpg
16:34 eeeeeta question: is the discussion here mostly about cats, or do you actually talk about minetest?
16:34 VanessaE and besides, it's a prepaid cell phone, so no you can't :)
16:34 Zeno` no we only talk about cats
16:34 ElectronLibre eeeeeta, we sometimes can speak about something other than minetest.
16:34 sfan5 VanessaE: you don't have cat registration numbers?
16:34 sfan5 or pet
16:34 sfan5 whatever
16:35 eeeeeta microchips!
16:35 sfan5 all dogs here have a number
16:35 VanessaE sfan5: sure on her paperwork in the file box...somewhere
16:35 sfan5 on their <how do you call that thing?>
16:35 eeeeeta sfan5: "collar"?
16:35 VanessaE her collar/tag
16:35 sfan5 ^
16:35 VanessaE and no, the cats don't wear theirs.
16:35 VanessaE the dogs tag is on his though
16:35 * eeeeeta guesses that English isn't sfan5's first language
16:36 sfan5 VanessaE: something like this, http://www.reckmann.org/wp-content/​20110716-030749-e1310843140619.jpg
16:36 * sfan5 tells eeeeeta that he guessed right
16:36 * eeeeeta yay
16:36 Zeno` sfan5, how did you get that photo of my collar?
16:36 sfan5 Zeno`: google
16:36 VanessaE sfan5: yeah, there's something like that here, for rabies vaccines, but my cats' tags don't have that (the ones that do, are stored away)
16:36 * eeeeeta is now listening to "The Energetic Rat (Jordach's Mix)" in-game
16:37 eeeeeta such a strange title
16:37 Zeno` heh
16:37 Zeno` night all
16:37 * sfan5 is now listening to "nomico - Bad Apple!!" not in-game
16:38 eeeeeta How to get banned from every IRC server ever:
16:38 * eeeeeta is now away: Auto-away after 30 minutes
16:39 Cyanberry ye
16:39 PenguinDad eeeeeta: stop pinging away :P
16:39 eeeeeta away: please
16:40 eeeeeta what the heck is a "Trooper"?
16:40 eeeeeta It randomly attacked me
16:40 * sfan5 bites PenguinDad
16:41 PenguinDad ouch!
16:41 * sfan5 bites PenguinDad's cat
16:41 PenguinDad eeeeeta: Some human looking mob from carbone
16:41 Cyanberry why is a cat biting a cat?
16:41 eeeeeta Cyanberry: my cats fight often
16:41 PenguinDad sfan5: I don't have a cat :(
16:41 * sfan5 bites PenguinDad's dog
16:41 eeeeeta PenguinDad: :( it's not very nice
16:42 PenguinDad I don't have dog either
16:42 Cyanberry eeeeeta: complain to Calinou
16:42 PenguinDad I have no pets at all :(
16:42 * sfan5 bites PenguinDad's face
16:42 VanessaE eeeeeta: a new surface MOB.
16:42 * PenguinDad throws a <°((((((-< at sfan5
16:43 * sfan5 gets hit by the <°((((((-<
16:43 * sfan5 falls to the ground
16:43 * sfan5 dead cat
16:44 PenguinDad damn that refactor_theÄgame branch is slow
16:44 PenguinDad s/Ä/_/
16:45 Cyanberry /_/
16:46 VanessaE zeno will kick your ass for that.
16:47 VanessaE :)
16:47 Cyanberry VanessaE: I don't think PenguinDad has a donkey
16:47 Cyanberry :P
16:47 VanessaE then hell kick his penguin
16:48 VanessaE and I'm pretty sure he's got one of those. :P
16:48 VanessaE he'll*
16:48 PenguinDad lel
16:49 Cyanberry PenguinDad: any new music around?
16:49 * sfan5 purrs at VanessaE
16:49 sfan5 !tw
16:49 MinetestBot sfan5: Give me a link, a @username, or a tweet id
16:50 sfan5 <PenguinDad> ouch!
16:50 sfan5 * sfan5 bites PenguinDad's cat
16:50 sfan5 <PenguinDad> eeeeeta: Some human looking mob from carbone
16:50 sfan5 <Cyanberry> why is a cat biting a cat?
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16:50 eeeeeta sfan5: wat
16:50 eeeeeta Calinouuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu
16:50 sfan5 hexchat keeps copying stuff I select to my clipboard
16:50 eeeeeta a carbone Trooper killed me :(
16:51 sfan5 !tw https://twitter.com/osxrevers​er/status/527864900765622272
16:51 MinetestBot Always fascinated by cat's attraction for small boxes. (@osxreverser)
16:51 Calinou hi
16:51 Cyanberry !tw @realtinymonster
16:51 MinetestBot Sorry, couldn't get a tweet from https://twitter.com/realtin​ymonster?1414687878.8409722 (@realtinymonster)
16:51 Cyanberry :
16:51 sfan5 !tw it currently partly broken
16:51 MinetestBot sfan5: Give me a link, a @username, or a tweet id
16:51 Cyanberry :|
16:51 Cyanberry oh
16:51 Cyanberry why?
16:51 sfan5 because code
16:52 Cyanberry because chode!
16:52 Calinou hi Cyanberry
16:52 Cyanberry jkjk
16:52 sfan5 actually because I can't get python's urllib to give me the URL it was redirected to on a 302
16:52 Calinou <eeeeeta> a carbone Trooper killed me :(
16:52 Calinou heh
16:52 Calinou did you think it was a real player? :P
16:52 eeeeeta Calinou: yes
16:52 eeeeeta Calinou: I was like "WTF CHECK THE NETWERKS"
16:53 PenguinDad Cyanberry: Shoeboxstep https://soundcloud.com/mid-tempo/​trollphace-twine-dat-shoebox-doe :P
16:53 eeeeeta Calinou: then I picked it up and put it back down, thinking it would tame it
16:53 eeeeeta Calinou: it killed me again :(
16:54 Calinou nope, they're still offensive to all players
16:54 eeeeeta :(
16:54 eeeeeta brb
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17:04 Yellowberry Calinou: I didn't know you played Xonotic
17:04 * Yellowberry learns something new every day
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17:05 Yellowberry Hi Cylus!
17:05 Cylus Hey Yellowberry!
17:06 Yellowberry How's it rolling?
17:07 Calinou Yellowberry, on Lichess look at my Three-Check rating :P
17:07 Cylus My arm is having issues and Freenode keeps booting me. Furthermore, I'm having problems getting my Android development environment working. I did manage to get Shallot compiled and running finally though, so it's not all bad.
17:08 freelikegnu those troopers are scary
17:10 * PenguinDad hugs sfan5
17:11 * sfan5 licks PenguinDad
17:12 freelikegnu are tree trunks with a falling property a bad idea?
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17:13 Cylus Depends on your style. Some players would like it, especially for jungle tree trunks. Others wouldn't like it, as they would want to build out of trunks, and falling would make that harder.
17:14 Calinou falling trees are silly
17:14 Calinou non-colliding leaves make sense
17:14 Cylus Because of the building issue, I would lean away from falling trunks.
17:14 freelikegnu hmm well say harvesting a falling tree trunk gave you a non-falling tree trunk block
17:14 Calinou https://forum.minetest.net/v​iewtopic.php?f=6&amp;t=10504
17:14 Calinou oh-an-UI-rant
17:14 Cylus freelikegnu: In that case, it would probably be fine.
17:15 Cylus Calinou: What do mean by "non-colliding" leaves?
17:15 freelikegnu hovering trees bother me, I get that from my mothers side
17:15 freelikegnu you can walk through leaves
17:15 Cylus OH! That would be cool.
17:15 Cylus I might have to add that to my game.
17:16 * sfan5 licks Yellowberry
17:16 Cylus Non-colliding and maybe climbable.
17:16 freelikegnu trees should be climbable
17:16 Yellowberry sfan5: Bananas don't taste good when you like them
17:17 Cylus They can't be climbable without making it possible to walk through them. Engine limitation. And walking through trunks would be kind of silly.
17:18 freelikegnu also have to learn how the tree growing wolrks so I can have things like gnarly juniper trees
17:18 Calinou walkable = false
17:18 Calinou it is the default in Carbone
17:19 Calinou climbable leaves is weird
17:19 Calinou you climb them as if they were ladders
17:19 Calinou I'd rather see viscous leaves
17:19 Calinou (slows you down while in them)
17:19 freelikegnu like water
17:19 freelikegnu makes sense
17:20 VanessaE Calinou: there's a post in the homedecor thread that offered to do the same for cobwebs
17:20 freelikegnu is something like a teleport node to another node possible in lua?
17:20 VanessaE I didn't use it, but it might be of use to you for the leaves
17:21 Calinou teleporting a player?
17:21 freelikegnu yes
17:22 freelikegnu like a player steps on this node and it teleports to a companion node
17:22 freelikegnu ala portal
17:23 Cylus Calinou: I'd love to see viscous leaves, but I think the engine would only allow that if the leaves were a liquid, which presents other issues.
17:23 Yellowberry Calinou: Viscous leave + Climbable logs?
17:23 freelikegnu falling leaves would look cool
17:24 Yellowberry it would also lag
17:24 freelikegnu aye
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17:25 Cylus With falling leaves, trees would generate normally, but as soon as you touch a leaf or a trunk near a leaf, all the tree's leaves would drop off.
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17:26 Calinou climbable logs make zero sense
17:26 Calinou leaves already “fall” somehow… they decay
17:26 Calinou instant leaf decay is possible
17:26 Calinou change ABM chance to 1
17:26 Yellowberry Calinou: why? people climb trees...
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17:27 Yellowberry hi zlsa
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17:29 Calinou then you should be able to climb all blocks by definition
17:29 Calinou also you can't climb walkable nodes
17:29 Yellowberry why?
17:29 Yellowberry that is silly
17:32 freelikegnu beats jumping imho
17:33 freelikegnu but it could be complimentary to jumping, climbing would be slower
17:40 Calinou https://forum.minetest.net/vi​ewtopic.php?f=17&amp;t=10502
17:40 Calinou whoa, 9 vs 4 for glasses
17:40 * Calinou uses “No”…
17:43 PenguinDad Calinou: 12 vs 4 now
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17:44 davedevils sexy i have crash minetest with on_construct = function(pos,node) if not check_attached_node_fdir(pos, node) then minetest.dig_node(pos) end end,
17:46 freelikegnu so psycho acoustic minetest mod?
17:47 davedevils no my own mod
17:48 freelikegnu for the the visually impaired.. node on cursorpings audio based on material and distance from player
17:49 freelikegnu positional audio cues
17:49 Yellowberry yeah
17:49 Yellowberry its too bad it crashes
17:50 * freelikegnu does not wear glasses
17:50 davedevils update = function(pos,node) if not check_attached_node(pos, node) then minetest.dig_node(pos) end end, --> crash too >.<
17:50 freelikegnu my wife started having vision issues after having kids, but she only wore glasses for a short time before getting lasik
17:50 freelikegnu I though she looked hot with glasses though
17:50 Yellowberry lol
17:51 freelikegnu she hated wearing them :<
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17:53 kilbith femme à lunettes...
17:53 Yellowberry kilbith: hmm?
17:54 freelikegnu little moons are glasses in french D:
17:54 PenguinDad Women with glasses...
17:54 freelikegnu :D
17:54 kilbith only the french can understand
17:54 PenguinDad *Woman
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17:54 kilbith even translated
17:54 freelikegnu that is cute
17:55 freelikegnu sailor moon should have worn spectales
17:55 Yellowberry :P
17:57 freelikegnu hmm why does using a pickaxes to harves a mesecon block kill me?
17:57 VanessaE because it's probably Meze
17:57 Calinou freelikegnu, maybe it is Meze
17:57 VanessaE not MEse
17:57 Calinou look at the S
17:57 Calinou if the S looks reversed, it's Meze
17:58 freelikegnu omg
17:58 Calinou (it doesn't kill if damage is disabled or creative mode is enabled)
17:58 freelikegnu dirty trick
17:58 VanessaE hahaha
17:58 Calinou Meze only spawns above sea level
17:58 Calinou unlike Mese which can spawn everywhere in stone in Carbone
17:58 VanessaE Calinou: maybe a slightly more obvious sign is needed :)
17:58 freelikegnu well now that I know it is funny
17:58 Calinou it's made to not be too obvious :P
17:58 Calinou you should be suspicious of all Mese found above sea level
17:59 Yellowberry which is y=64 right?
17:59 VanessaE 0
17:59 freelikegnu really words on a stone breaks the immersion, it looks like a placeholder texture rather than something in  the gameworld
17:59 Yellowberry yet another differnce from MC
18:00 Yellowberry make it slightly red tinted
18:01 VanessaE freelikegnu: it isn't a stone.
18:01 VanessaE it's an artifact of alien origin
18:01 freelikegnu why not just use copper and gold to make circuits and components?
18:01 VanessaE freelikegnu: because copper and gold are relatively new additions to minetest.
18:01 VanessaE compared to mese
18:01 freelikegnu ah ok so aliens with a sick sense of humor
18:01 Yellowberry lol
18:01 VanessaE freelikegnu:  Mese is an artifact.  Meze is Calinou's creation :P
18:02 Yellowberry B)
18:03 VanessaE besides, copper IS used to make electrical cabling in Technic mod
18:04 * freelikegnu picks up his meze dust covered bones
18:04 PenguinDad Griefers love houses made of meze :P
18:05 freelikegnu anyone using a pickaxe on your house kinda asking for it
18:06 davedevils i need make water dig item *-*
18:06 Calinou Meze is 0-64
18:06 Calinou rare Mese is -1024-64
18:06 Calinou common Mese is -30000--1024
18:08 freelikegnu how come mice = plural mouse and rice != plural rat
18:09 Calinou lol
18:10 freelikegnu maybe mesecons are fossilized nyan cat scat
18:10 Krock -- = +
18:11 davedevils what Oo
18:11 VanessaE Krock: s/--/..-/
18:11 Krock 1 - (-1) = 2
18:11 Krock !c 1-(-1)
18:11 MinetestBot 2
18:12 freelikegnu !c rat(2)
18:12 MinetestBot NameError: name 'rat' is not defined
18:12 freelikegnu !c $rat=1
18:12 MinetestBot SyntaxError: invalid syntax (<string>, line 1)
18:13 Krock !c 'rat' == 'rice'? "yes" : "no"
18:13 MinetestBot SyntaxError: invalid syntax (<string>, line 1)
18:13 davedevils !cat ?
18:13 MinetestBot http://i.imgur.com/ERebecg.jpg
18:13 Krock !c 'rat' == 'rice'
18:13 MinetestBot False
18:13 davedevils !hardcore
18:14 davedevils !c 3*3/3
18:14 MinetestBot 3.0
18:15 Krock !c 9**-5
18:15 MinetestBot 1.6935087808430286e-05
18:15 davedevils !c (3/3)*3
18:15 MinetestBot 3.0
18:15 davedevils !
18:15 davedevils !c 3/3
18:15 MinetestBot 1.0
18:15 Krock ##minetestbot
18:15 Yellowberry !c __double__
18:15 MinetestBot Yellowberry: Sorry, but no double underscores.
18:15 davedevils !help
18:15 MinetestBot https://github.com/sfan5/minetestb​ot-modules/blob/master/COMMANDS.md
18:15 Yellowberry hehe
18:16 davedevils !up lunyasoft.eu 30000
18:16 MinetestBot lunyasoft.eu:30000 seems to be down
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18:16 PenguinDad !c "O_o_O " * 5
18:16 MinetestBot 'O_o_O O_o_O O_o_O O_o_O O_o_O '
18:16 davedevils wtf Oo
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18:16 Yellowberry !c "Oo"*10
18:16 MinetestBot 'OoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOo'
18:17 Yellowberry lol
18:17 Yellowberry !c "Oo"*10+"O"
18:17 MinetestBot 'OoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoO'
18:17 Krock !c "Yellowberry "*3.1
18:17 MinetestBot TypeError: can't multiply sequence by non-int of type 'float'
18:17 davedevils !c "ñP45½òM‼ò♦$╚╚£" * 500
18:17 MinetestBot 'ñP45½òM‼ò♦$╚╚£ñP45½òM‼ò♦$╚╚£ñP45½òM‼ò♦$╚╚£ñP​45½òM‼ò♦$╚╚£ñP45½òM‼ò♦$╚╚£ñP45½òM‼ò♦$╚╚£ñP45½​òM‼ò♦$╚╚£ñP45½òM‼ò♦$╚╚£ñP45½òM‼ò♦$╚╚£ñP45½òM‼​ò♦$╚╚£ñP45½òM‼ò♦$╚╚£ñP45½òM‼ò♦$╚╚£ñP45½òM‼ò♦$​╚╚£ñP45½òM‼ò♦$╚╚£ñP45½òM‼ò♦$╚╚£ñP45½òM‼ò♦$╚╚
18:17 Yellowberry lol
18:17 Yellowberry over 1024 chars
18:17 PenguinDad ^ eee​w
18:17 Yellowberry wait
18:18 Yellowberry no
18:18 Yellowberry 256?
18:18 Yellowberry i'm confuzzled
18:18 Yellowberry '
18:18 Yellowberry I close it!
18:18 davedevils !c "import dbus sys_bus = dbus.SystemBus() hal_srvc = sys_bus.get_object('org.freedesktop.Hal',                                 '/org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/computer') pwr_mgmt =  dbus.Interface(hal_srvc,                 'org.freedesktop.Hal.Devic​e.SystemPowerManagement') shutdown_method = pwr_mgmt.get_dbus_method("Shutdown") shutdown_method()" *1
18:18 MinetestBot SyntaxError: invalid syntax (<string>, line 1)
18:19 davedevils not funny :(
18:19 Yellowberry !c "zazaza"*-1
18:19 MinetestBot ''
18:19 Yellowberry lol
18:19 Yellowberry !c "zazaza"*-9
18:19 MinetestBot ''
18:20 Yellowberry
18:20 freelikegnu I have a server up
18:20 Yellowberry ”””
18:20 Yellowberry ”””””
18:20 Yellowberry freelikegnu: minetest?
18:20 freelikegnu minetest plus carbone
18:21 Yellowberry y u no moontest?!
18:22 Calinou Moontest is 100 % Princess Luna-approved
18:22 zlsa !c import math
18:22 MinetestBot SyntaxError: invalid syntax (<string>, line 1)
18:23 zlsa !c str(abs(-20)) * 10
18:23 MinetestBot '20202020202020202020'
18:23 zlsa !c str(math.abs(-20)) * 10
18:23 MinetestBot AttributeError: 'SomeObject' object has no attribute 'abs'
18:23 zlsa !c str(math.floor(-20)) * 10
18:23 MinetestBot '-20-20-20-20-20-20-20-20-20-20'
18:23 zlsa !c str(math.sin(math.pi)) * 10
18:23 MinetestBot '1.2246467991473532e-161.2246467991473532e-16​1.2246467991473532e-161.2246467991473532e-161​.2246467991473532e-161.2246467991473532e-161.​2246467991473532e-161.2246467991473532e-161.2​246467991473532e-161.2246467991473532e-16'
18:23 zlsa !c dir(dbus)
18:23 MinetestBot NameError: name 'dir' is not defined
18:23 freelikegnu whatever floats your point
18:23 Yellowberry lol
18:24 * Yellowberry likes freelikegnu's sense of humor
18:25 freelikegnu thank you, I'll be lurking all week
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18:26 Yellowberry woot
18:26 freelikegnu I must eat now, eating later has left me hungry
18:28 Fritigern !c math.pi
18:28 MinetestBot 3.141592653589793
18:28 Fritigern !c 355/113
18:28 MinetestBot 3.1415929203539825
18:29 Fritigern Eh, close enough
18:29 shadowzone joined #minetest
18:29 Yellowberry !c math.randint
18:29 MinetestBot AttributeError: 'SomeObject' object has no attribute 'randint'
18:29 Yellowberry sheet
18:29 Yellowberry am I just being stupid?
18:30 Yellowberry !c math.random
18:30 MinetestBot AttributeError: 'SomeObject' object has no attribute 'random'
18:30 Yellowberry yeah
18:30 Yellowberry !c exit()
18:30 MinetestBot NameError: name 'exit' is not defined
18:30 Yellowberry aw
18:30 PenguinDad !c random.randint(1, 6)
18:30 MinetestBot 6
18:31 Yellowberry yeah
18:31 Yellowberry I remembered that
18:31 Yellowberry also lol
18:31 Yellowberry !c random.randint(-1337,1337)
18:31 MinetestBot 1188
18:32 Yellowberry !c random.randint(-1337,1337)*math.pi+69/666
18:32 MinetestBot -1853.4360620143743
18:32 Yellowberry perfect seed generator
18:32 Yellowberry XDXD
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18:32 Krock2 <3 bluescreens
18:32 Yellowberry haha
18:33 Yellowberry /nick Krock
18:33 Yellowberry oh
18:33 Krock :P
18:33 Krock - MemoServ: You have 1 new memo.
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18:35 Fritigern Krock: Funny, my Linux never bluescreens ;-)
18:35 Fritigern (just teasing)
18:35 Krock Fritigern, it's a windows-only feature.
18:35 PenguinDad s/feature/bug/ :P
18:35 Fritigern Should i be jealous? :-)
18:35 Krock s/"s/feature/bug/"//
18:35 Krock Fritigern, yes
18:36 * Fritigern remembers the glorious days of Win95, and copy con con
18:36 Krock newer windows versions have a bluescreen too but the nice 0x00F background color disappeared
18:37 davedevils !c "how many time for make item broken by water ..." + random.randint(1,100) + " hour"
18:37 MinetestBot TypeError: Can't convert 'int' object to str implicitly
18:37 davedevils !c "how many time for make item broken by water ..." + random.rand(1,100) + " hour"
18:37 MinetestBot AttributeError: 'SomeObject' object has no attribute 'rand'
18:38 davedevils !c "how many time for make item broken by water ..." + random(1,100) + " hour"
18:38 MinetestBot TypeError: 'SomeObject' object is not callable
18:38 Krock lol
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18:38 PenguinDad !c "how many time for make item broken by water ..." + str(random.randint(1,100)) + " hour"
18:38 MinetestBot 'how many time for make item broken by water ...68 hour'
18:38 Yellowberry !c "how many time for make item broken by water " + str(random.randint(1,100)) + " hour"
18:38 MinetestBot 'how many time for make item broken by water 54 hour'
18:38 Yellowberry oh
18:38 Yellowberry darn
18:38 Yellowberry ninja
18:40 Yellowberry :D
18:41 Yellowberry !c ("HAX "+random.randint(1,100)+", ")*random.randint(1,10)
18:41 MinetestBot TypeError: Can't convert 'int' object to str implicitly
18:41 Yellowberry woops
18:41 Yellowberry !c ("HAX "+str(random.randint(1,100))+", ")*random.randint(1,10)
18:41 MinetestBot 'HAX 62, HAX 62, HAX 62, HAX 62, HAX 62, '
18:41 Yellowberry :/
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18:42 Yellowberry !c ("HAX "+str(random.randint(1,100))+", ")*random.randint(1,10)
18:42 MinetestBot 'HAX 28, HAX 28, HAX 28, HAX 28, HAX 28, HAX 28, HAX 28, HAX 28, HAX 28, HAX 28, '
18:42 Yellowberry it seems to be working
18:42 Yellowberry !c ("I am "+str(random.randint(1,1000))+".")
18:42 MinetestBot 'I am 741.'
18:42 Yellowberry lol
18:43 Yellowberry !c ("I am "+str(random.randint(1,1000))+" years old.")
18:43 MinetestBot 'I am 350 years old.'
18:43 raffahacks "do not abuse the bot" :p
18:43 Yellowberry raffahacks!
18:43 Yellowberry you exist!
18:43 Yellowberry I will fix those typos today
18:43 Yellowberry and mail them to you
18:44 raffahacks Yellowberry, are you zsolti? Hi!
18:44 Yellowberry also, there are multiple bots, so which one?
18:44 Yellowberry ye, I is
18:44 davedevils !c ("I make "+str(random.randint(1,10000000000​0000000000000000000000000000000000​000000000000000000000000000000))+" second for make this or "+str(random.randint(1,10000000000​0000000000000000000000000000000000​000000000000000000000000000000))+" second ? ")
18:44 MinetestBot 'I make 2717480413958097721911538986359738233​0935707968253068764357309504544386901 second for make this or 2778780655136992131742122651134352891​1860061053908871334427840241957445799 second ? '
18:45 Yellowberry davedevils: plz learn english :D
18:45 davedevils !c ("I make "+str(random.randint(1,10000000000000000000000000​0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000​)*random.randint(1,100000000000000000000000000000​000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000)*ra​ndom.randint(1,1000000000000000000000000000000000​00000000000000000000000000000000000000000))+"?"
18:45 MinetestBot SyntaxError: unexpected EOF while parsing (<string>, line 1)
18:45 raffahacks Thank you for your help, I am now making some diagrams to explain well my project. Can you use low-level perl functions?
18:45 davedevils è_é
18:45 Yellowberry mhm
18:45 Yellowberry woot!
18:46 Yellowberry è_éè_éè_éè_éè_éè_éè_éè_éè_é
18:46 Yellowberry !c "è_é "*69
18:46 MinetestBot 'è_é è_é è_é è_é è_é è_é è_é è_é è_é è_é è_é è_é è_é è_é è_é è_é è_é è_é è_é è_é è_é è_é è_é è_é è_é è_é è_é è_é è_é è_é è_é è_é è_é è_é è_é è_é è_é è_é è_é è_é è_é è_é è_é è_é è_é è_é è_é è_é è_é è_é è_é è_é è_é è_é è_é è_é è_é è_é è_é è_é è_é è_é è_é è_é è_é è_é è_é è_é è_é '
18:46 davedevils !c "è_é" * random.randint(100000000000000000000000000​000000000000000000000000000000000000000000​00000,100000000000000000000000000000000000​000000000000000000000000000000000000000))
18:46 MinetestBot SyntaxError: unexpected EOF while parsing (<string>, line 1)
18:46 davedevils !c "è_é" * random.randint(10000000000000000000​000000000000,1000000000000000000000​00000000000000000000000000000000)
18:46 MinetestBot OverflowError: cannot fit 'int' into an index-sized integer
18:47 Yellowberry lol
18:47 Yellowberry if you cause a buffer overflow, sfan5 will kill you
18:47 Yellowberry !c "è_é"*69
18:47 MinetestBot 'è_éè_éè_éè_éè_éè_éè_éè_éè_éè_éè_éè_éè_éè_​éè_éè_éè_éè_éè_éè_éè_éè_éè_éè_éè_éè_éè_éè_​éè_éè_éè_éè_éè_éè_éè_éè_éè_éè_éè_éè_éè_éè_​éè_éè_éè_éè_éè_éè_éè_éè_éè_éè_éè_éè_éè_éè_​éè_éè_éè_éè_éè_éè_éè_éè_éè_éè_éè_éè_éè_é'
18:47 davedevils !tell jambon *-*
18:47 MinetestBot davedevils: I'll pass that on when jambon is around
18:48 davedevils XDDDD
18:48 davedevils !tell mother *-*
18:48 MinetestBot davedevils: yeah, sure, whatever
18:48 Yellowberry !tell your_manhood :?
18:48 MinetestBot Yellowberry: I'll pass that on when your_manhood is around
18:48 davedevils troll *-*
18:48 iqualfragile can i into
18:48 iqualfragile !op
18:48 davedevils !tell m0ther *-*
18:48 MinetestBot davedevils: yeah, yeah
18:48 iqualfragile please don't abuse the bot, ok?
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18:49 raffahacks What did she change?
18:49 iqualfragile you are currently spamming the channel
18:49 iqualfragile !deop
18:49 davedevils *-*
18:49 Yellowberry davedevils: ##minetestbot
18:49 raffahacks !op
18:49 Yellowberry lol
18:49 raffahacks I don't think it'll work :p
18:49 Yellowberry raffahacks: you have to be on ze list
18:50 raffahacks !deop MinetestBot
18:52 raffahacks !op *
18:53 iqualfragile please stop it, raffahacks, while minetest is less ontopick then minetest-dev there really is no need for stupidity. if you want to use a command on minetestbot just use a query
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18:54 raffahacks iqualfragile, ok, i'll stop it :/
18:55 Yellowberry WW91ciBtb20gaXMgYSBmYWc=
18:56 raffahacks Bitcoin?
18:56 Krock base64?
18:57 Yellowberry he
18:57 raffahacks Random keys pressed?
18:57 Yellowberry ye
18:57 Yellowberry no
18:57 Yellowberry is B64
18:57 raffahacks What is it?
18:58 Yellowberry find a decode on google
18:58 Yellowberry and decode
18:58 raffahacks I mean, what does it correspond to uncrypted?
18:58 raffahacks I have no browser yet :(
18:59 Krock WW91ciBtb20gaXMgb25lIGFzd2VsbA==
18:59 Krock ^ Yellowberry
18:59 raffahacks Can the bot decrypt it?
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18:59 Krock ShadowBot: help
18:59 ShadowBot Krock: help [<plugin>] [<command>]
18:59 Yellowberry yes
18:59 Yellowberry !b64d
18:59 Yellowberry !b64d hi
18:59 MinetestBot Yellowberry: Failed to handle data
18:59 raffahacks Which one?
18:59 Yellowberry MinetestBot:
19:00 Krock !b64d SGVsbG8gd29ybGQ=
19:00 MinetestBot Hello world
19:00 Krock ^^
19:00 Yellowberry !b64d WW91ciBtb20gaXMgYSBmYWc=
19:00 MinetestBot Your mom is a fag
19:00 Krock !b64d WW91ciBtb20gaXMgb25lIGFzd2VsbA==
19:00 MinetestBot Your mom is one aswell
19:00 raffahacks Oh i hoped it was Bill Gates credit card number :(
19:00 Yellowberry lol
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19:00 Yellowberry brb
19:01 Krock Yellowberry, looks like you didn't decode mine
19:01 raffahacks He did
19:01 PenguinDad !b64e 4chan is taking over!
19:01 MinetestBot NGNoYW4gaXMgdGFraW5nIG92ZXIh
19:02 raffahacks No iqualfragile anymore, 4x spam on channel
19:02 davedevils ttub taf gib taht htiw od ot tahw wonk uoY
19:03 davedevils !rev wiggle
19:03 MinetestBot elggiw
19:04 raffahacks !thisdoesnotexist
19:04 Yellowberry yeah
19:05 raffahacks !rainbow nyancat
19:05 MinetestBot 4ny7an8ca3t
19:05 Calinou hi
19:05 Amaz !rainbow Hello!
19:05 MinetestBot 4He7ll8o!
19:05 raffahacks !rainbow rainbow
19:05 MinetestBot 4ra7in8bo3w
19:05 PenguinDad Hello Amaz!
19:06 Amaz :D
19:06 raffahacks Amaz, I am now following you on Twitter :)
19:06 raffahacks I think...
19:07 Amaz raffahacks, expect updates to be few and far between :D
19:07 raffahacks !rainbow All Right Now
19:07 MinetestBot 4All7 Ri8ght3 Now
19:07 raffahacks Wasn't that a song by rock group Rainbow
19:08 raffahacks !rainbow Pink Floyd are better anyway! :)
19:08 MinetestBot 4Pink7 Flo8yd a3re bette6r anyway4! :)
19:12 raffahacks How to make the bot repeat a sentence?
19:12 Calinou !rainbow Rainbow Dash is best pony.
19:12 MinetestBot 4Rain7bow 8Dash3 is best6 pony.
19:13 raffahacks Hi Calinou
19:13 freelikegnu A rainbow is just the Earths way of frowning on your failures
19:17 raffahacks freelikegnu, are you a Stallman fan?
19:19 Calinou raffahacks, try not to stigmatize people
19:19 raffahacks Oh, sorry
19:20 eeeeeta !rainbow o.o
19:20 MinetestBot 4o7.8o
19:20 raffahacks It wasn't offensive. I am a Stallman fan
19:21 eeeeeta raffahacks: relevant xkcd https://xkcd.com/225/
19:23 raffahacks Lol
19:23 raffahacks Must go, bye
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19:31 eeeeeta I burnt my house down. ._.
19:34 Krock too bad.
19:34 Krock disable fire next time
19:34 eeeeeta :(
19:35 eeeeeta any way to get it back?
19:35 Krock Ctrl+Z won't work
19:35 eeeeeta ;P
19:35 Krock you'll have to re-build it
19:35 * eeeeeta curses Calinou
19:36 _awaylikegnu yeah i like tms
19:36 _awaylikegnu RMS
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19:38 ElectronLibre eeeta, I'm not sure there is anything to bring back you house :/
19:40 Zephlon !rainbow Woah what? A rainbow command!? :O
19:40 MinetestBot 4Woah7 wha8t? A3 rainbow6 command4!? :7O
19:42 PenguinDad Zephlon: Yes she has a rainbow command
19:42 * sfan5 hugs MinetestBot
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19:49 * eeeeeta catifies sfan5
19:49 * sfan5 meows at eeeeeta
19:49 * eeeeeta cats
19:50 * eeeeeta meows back at sfan5
19:50 * sfan5 paws eeeeeta
19:50 * eeeeeta emits a loud ē
19:50 * eeeeeta goes back to rebuild his burnt down Minetest house
19:51 * eeeeeta wonders if sfan5's worldedit could help
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19:51 * sfan5 paws eeeeeta
19:57 sfan5 !op
19:58 sfan5 !deop
19:59 eeeeeta sfan5: how do you un-//hide
20:00 eeeeeta I accidentally my whole house
20:00 sfan5 //show maybe
20:00 sfan5 I dunno
20:00 sfan5 read the docs
20:01 eeeeeta there is no //show
20:01 eeeeeta oh, //restore
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20:21 _Esteban hai @everyone
20:22 kaeza hai
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20:23 _Esteban I have a doubt about some mods...is it true mods like technic/pipeworks can cause lag in multiplayer servers?
20:24 MinetestBot [git] kwolekr -> minetest/minetest: Fix erroneous lua_pop parameter db25f75 http://git.io/XxgXuQ (2014-10-30T16:23:48-04:00)
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20:29 DFeniks i wonder if i did the message right...
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20:39 _Esteban brb :P
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20:54 OldCoder Hm. I am getting 100% timeouts from Kindle users now. Not sure why. It worked until recently.
20:54 Calinou that's cool
20:55 Calinou how did you do it?
20:55 OldCoder ?
20:55 OldCoder Calinou, who are you addressing?
20:55 coagen lol
20:55 coagen I think he's hating on Kindle users?
20:55 VanessaE aren't kindles still stuck with 0.4.7 or something REALLY old?
20:56 Calinou coagen, no, illegal mobile clients
20:56 Calinou (and in general mobile Minetest players are quite of bad quality)
20:56 coagen illegal?!!
20:56 Calinou they violate the license
20:57 Calinou no source code
20:57 VanessaE coagen: illegal - because they... yeah
20:57 coagen dafuck?
20:57 OldCoder Yes but why did it just break this week? I have tried with and without my patches and Sapier's patch
20:57 OldCoder It just stopped working
20:57 OldCoder And I tried both old and new gits
20:57 VanessaE OldCoder: network filter upstream from your server maybe?
20:57 OldCoder It is independent of our feelings about Kindle
20:57 OldCoder But just for the Kindle?
20:58 VanessaE perhaps - something that only affects that build.  remember minetest's network stack is a little...touchy
20:58 VanessaE and mobile clients doubly so
20:58 OldCoder TImeouts; they are timing out even with regenerating cache and timeout set to 5 seconds
20:58 OldCoder Yes
20:58 OldCoder <tjbeylik> ill miss everyone so bad
20:58 OldCoder But when a kid says that, how can I just say "so long" ?
20:59 coagen Gamarnik Maksim Dmitrievich ?
20:59 VanessaE what else CAN you say?
20:59 coagen who is that
20:59 OldCoder I will look further at the timeouts, Vanessa. What confuses me is what changed...
21:00 OldCoder I rebuilt the curl cache, tried old and new git releases, and both of the recent patches
21:00 OldCoder Well, not much more to say
21:00 OldCoder Except...
21:00 VanessaE OldCoder: I would guess it's just some change in the topology of the internet near your server, just enough to 'throw off' your patch to the point that it no longer works.
21:00 VanessaE e.g. "circumstances beyond your control'
21:00 OldCoder If I set timeout to 5 seconds as a test, shouldn't that be enough?
21:00 Jordach Kindles are able to run sapier's builds
21:00 OldCoder Yes and it worked until this week
21:00 VanessaE Jordach: yes, but kindle USERS aren't, as a general rule.
21:00 OldCoder Hm
21:01 OldCoder Link?
21:01 VanessaE Jordach: 99% of kindle users don't know how to even sideload, let alone how to find Sapier's build.
21:01 VanessaE https://forum.minetest.net/v​iewtopic.php?f=3&amp;t=9389
21:01 VanessaE OldCoder:  ^^
21:01 coagen https://play.google.com/store/apps/detai​ls?id=com.Minetest.Mobile.FREE&amp;hl=en this was updated 4 days ago...
21:01 OldCoder R
21:01 coagen using 0.4.11-dev version
21:01 OldCoder Ah!!
21:02 OldCoder Does the Kindle auto-update??
21:02 VanessaE idk
21:02 coagen probably
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21:02 VanessaE coagen: that is not the real Minetest
21:02 coagen duh
21:02 VanessaE that's an illegal port also
21:02 coagen illegal how?
21:02 OldCoder DFeniks, tell him to come back, we have a likely explanation
21:02 coagen i'm still not getting that
21:02 OldCoder DFeniks, you are on a server with him presently, correct?
21:02 * Jordach has a WinXP VM
21:03 VanessaE coagen: that "sourse" [sic] link doesn't point to valid source code and as far as I am aware can't be used to create a working build of the real Minetest.
21:03 * Jordach considers wrecking it with malware and reimaging it
21:03 VanessaE ergo, it violates the LGPL
21:04 OldCoder One more question and I g2g. Players can check release, correct? But not clear what key on the Kindle.
21:04 VanessaE no idea on kindle, OldCoder
21:04 OldCoder kk
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21:04 coagen VanessaE: I'm looking at this code... wtf, this is really weird
21:05 coagen VanessaE: whomever this is has contributed to every minetest related project out there though
21:05 coagen VanessaE: https://github.com/MoNTE48
21:05 VanessaE coagen: case in point.  plus, that version is ad-laden.  I don't think anyone among the core devs or here in these channels supports that notion
21:06 coagen VanessaE: yeah, I noticed, they are making money from the ad free version no doubt
21:07 coagen Worldcraft... what is this?
21:08 VanessaE another fork
21:08 VanessaE and generally hated by most of us here.
21:09 VanessaE primarily because it was impossible to contact the people who made it and they left it in a horribly outdated state for a very long time, forcing us to field way WAY too many support questions.
21:09 VanessaE and it was even more illegal as it provided ZERO source code
21:09 VanessaE (not even a link to something questionable)
21:09 VanessaE at least for a long while that was the case
21:10 coagen wow
21:10 VanessaE and when source code did surface, it was outdated
21:10 coagen crazy yo
21:10 VanessaE (and not buildable either)
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21:13 coagen VanessaE: well if any of these damn things were buildable
21:13 PenguinDad Jordach: Windows XP destruction style? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W9DST-6jIBU
21:14 coagen VanessaE: someone should go and rip out the adlib, and put it on f-droid
21:14 coagen someone more skilled than me :|
21:14 coagen that will make it freely available, and ad free
21:14 VanessaE I didn't know anyone still used adlibs...  thought everything was AC'97 by now ;)
21:15 coagen hah
21:15 VanessaE anyway better to use Sapier's builds
21:15 Calinou AC'97 is dead now, now it's only HD Audio, VanessaE
21:15 VanessaE Calinou: oh right.  I forgot :P
21:16 coagen VanessaE: there are a lot of projects on f-droid, where they have used the author's source and replaced the ad libs with dummy libs and made a nice app available without ads
21:17 coagen who is sapier?
21:17 coagen never seen them here
21:17 VanessaE he's one of the core devs
21:17 VanessaE been away a lot lately though
21:17 VanessaE normally only found in #minetest-dev
21:20 coagen hrm, thx
21:41 Jordach WHAT THE FUCK
21:42 Jordach >latest stable firefox speed dial
21:42 Jordach >looks literally like shit
21:44 Calinou it was remade
21:44 Calinou tip: you can change the window count in about:config
21:44 Calinou I use 12 here (4 × 3)
21:46 coagen Jordach: i'm considering trying the ESR version of firefor or Palemoon...
21:46 Jordach Calinou, where art thou bullshit reset switch
21:46 Calinou Pale Moon sucks
21:47 iqualfragile wget all the way
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21:48 coagen aur/firefox-esr-bin 31.2.0-1 (35)
21:48 coagen hrm
21:49 coagen thats not what I expected
21:49 coagen I thought 24.x was the esr version
21:49 Calinou https://cdn.mediacru.sh/mAJAyLrexoKa.jpg
21:50 VanessaE HDX :D
21:51 Jordach BLEH
21:51 coagen VanessaE: you have some configs I can look at?
21:51 VanessaE coagen: purpose of same?
21:51 coagen VanessaE: minetest.conf yo?
21:51 coagen VanessaE: yeah
21:52 VanessaE coagen: sure of course, but what's the purpose?
21:52 coagen VanessaE: I'm still not htting any hard limits
21:52 * Jordach can run the full on HDX while VanessaE and her R9 can't
21:52 * kaeza slaps Jordach with Chromium
21:52 coagen VanessaE: hardware limits that is, then again, I've only had max 2 ppl on the server.. but lag was terrible cause they were on the other side of the earth I think
21:53 Jordach I have higher regards for MS than Google, kaeza
21:53 coagen R9's are awesome, Jordach what have you got?
21:53 Jordach coagen, AMD A10-APU 6800K
21:53 * coagen pukes rainbows
21:53 coagen what
21:53 coagen thats nothing
21:54 Jordach i mangaged to get ~14fps at 1080p + HDX512 + normals
21:54 Jordach on VE-Creative
21:54 * kaeza slaps Jordach with Intranet Exploder
21:54 coagen I've got an r9 290 for sale actually
21:54 Jordach kaeza, IE 10x
21:54 Jordach kaeza, Android Chrome crashes on 60fps HTML5 videos
21:54 Jordach IE doesn;t
21:55 coagen bought it for making doge last year... but switched back to my r9 270 cause it ran cooler
21:56 coagen that was a dumb investment
21:56 VanessaE my R9 280X only runs at 69C while mining
21:56 coagen btw
21:56 VanessaE (3.1 MH/s X11 algo)
21:56 coagen oh
21:56 Jordach kaeza, also: OneDrive + Office 365 is a fucking beast
21:56 coagen wait you have the 280
21:56 VanessaE Jordach: and I *can* run full HDX but it costs fps unless I turn off the filters
21:56 coagen yeah they run cooler
21:56 VanessaE but then it's noisy as hell
21:58 coagen ugh, yeah thats also why I dont want the 290...
21:58 Jordach coagen, where are you in the world
21:58 Jordach pls be EU
21:58 coagen Kentucky, 'murrica fool
21:58 Jordach goddammit
21:58 coagen sorry
21:58 Jordach why do people have hw for sale that isn't in the EU
21:58 VanessaE I HATE that whole "'murrica"/"'merica" meme
21:58 VanessaE it's old.
21:58 VanessaE it's stupid
21:59 VanessaE and it's horribly inaccurate.
21:59 coagen VanessaE: sorry, I hate it too... I think I've just given in to the stupid
21:59 Jordach LIKE YOUR DYING LOBBYIST ECONOMY
21:59 Jordach "The Pirate Bay infringes human rights"
21:59 VanessaE Jordach: you mean the *government's* dieing "lobbyist" economy.
22:00 Jordach VanessaE, swings both ways
22:00 coagen well
22:00 VanessaE no, it doesn't.
22:00 Jordach err, using a model for movies that doesn't work with modern tech? eg. the no sharing rule
22:00 coagen plutocracy or whatever
22:00 VanessaE the average American does not advocate the shit you're talking about.
22:00 Jordach VanessaE, people share shit all the time
22:01 VanessaE only the government advocates the "get tough on crime" bullshit arguments, most people actually don't.
22:01 Jordach and where do the threats come from?
22:01 VanessaE the government, where else?
22:01 Jordach no money = no chance of running for president
22:01 VanessaE HAH
22:01 VanessaE where do you think the money comes from?
22:01 Jordach VanessaE, lobbyists provide dosh for them
22:01 coagen VanessaE: lately I go with "I was born in the empire, but I do not support it" as my excuse for being here....
22:02 VanessaE do you honestly think they wouldn't find a way anyways?
22:02 VanessaE our political system is autonomous.
22:02 VanessaE coagen: that's about how I feel too
22:02 VanessaE I was born here, but I do not support this country.
22:02 VanessaE just as I support our troops, but I don't support that which they are fighting for.
22:03 Calinou you should come to france, if you want to live in a country where you don't support your government :P
22:03 Jordach VanessaE, can't wait until the US crumbles into a normal power
22:03 Calinou our president has 14 % popularity
22:03 Calinou 4 % want him to participate to next elections
22:03 coagen except for the taxes I pay, that support the the wars and death... etc. :| if I thought I could get away with not paying them... :| i would
22:03 Jordach Calinou, guillotine time! :D
22:03 VanessaE Calinou: didn't you guys *just* oust a president recently?
22:03 Calinou no
22:03 Calinou bye
22:03 coagen I would love to go to france
22:03 coagen I think
22:04 VanessaE I hate when he does that.\
22:04 coagen don't speak french tho
22:04 tpe Remote host guillotined the connection
22:04 coagen except for that one line from that song that translates to "would you like to sleep with me tonight" or something
22:04 coagen I forget
22:05 coagen probably could get by with that, and knowing how to say "i'm hungry" and "wheres the toilet" right?
22:05 NemoMT coagen, I think you would. ;)
22:06 jin_xi j'ai faim, ou est la toilette?
22:06 VanessaE I'll stay where I am.  yes it sucks here to a certain degree, but I can't say that other places are necessarily any better.
22:06 coagen lol
22:07 coagen jin_xi: I'm ready now thx ;)
22:08 gravgun coagen: i'll be your guide then >:)
22:08 coagen gravgun: cool!
22:09 gravgun jin_xi: "la toilette" means washing yourself (e.g shower), "les toilettes", always in plural form, actually means "the toilet"
22:09 coagen I actually applied for a linux sysadmin job at one of the nuclear research labs in france
22:09 gravgun coagen: just kidding, sorry :/ Y'know, school, all these things...
22:09 coagen some years ago, they contacted me for an interview, but I was too much of a pussy to even try
22:09 jin_xi merci, french is tough to get right
22:10 gravgun jin_xi: unless it's your native language :P
22:10 gravgun jin_xi: but even many French-speaking people says french is hard
22:10 coagen I was afraid of leaving the things i'm familar with I guess :|
22:10 NemoMT I support certain aspects of the US, such as freedom.. Even though it seems like it's getting less and less free especially now that you are limited to shooting only whales while in a moving automobile in tennessee.
22:10 Jordach VanessaE, i'll do a deal with you: you send me a decent GPU say R9 and i'll do ~250 homedecor models
22:12 VanessaE I don't need your models, I'll make my own...with blackjack!  and hookers!
22:12 VanessaE ah forget the latter two
22:12 VanessaE :)
22:12 gravgun :3
22:12 Jordach suddenly: BFD 0.5 Blackjack and Hookers easter egg update
22:12 gravgun Too late, I recorded what you said
22:13 VanessaE Jordach: I've learned JUST enough about using blender to be dangerous. :)
22:13 gravgun "dangerous"
22:14 gravgun "dangerous"
22:14 gravgun Mmmmmm...
22:16 coagen VanessaE: so, why isn't there an official mt build on the gp store?
22:17 coagen VanessaE: curious if you know...
22:17 VanessaE coagen: *makes money hand gesture*
22:17 VanessaE that's why.
22:17 coagen VanessaE: I don't understand
22:17 VanessaE it costs like $25 to register and put a build up omn google play.
22:17 coagen VanessaE: ELIF
22:17 VanessaE and how long that $25 is good for, I don't know.
22:17 coagen oh
22:18 coagen yeah its good for the user account
22:18 VanessaE plus, getting rid of all the clones is a problem.
22:18 coagen for ever afaik
22:18 coagen I've built test android apps in the past
22:18 coagen but i'm no expert
22:18 coagen if these scam artist are putting it up there... why doesn't someone here do the real thing
22:18 coagen without ads
22:18 VanessaE I don't know at all
22:19 coagen so
22:19 VanessaE getting rid of the bad builds has been tried in the past
22:19 VanessaE but it didn't last long
22:19 SylvieLorxu Open Source communities tend to not like to pay for proprietary services
22:19 VanessaE and we had nothing to replace them with
22:19 coagen I didn't say anything about that
22:19 VanessaE well
22:19 VanessaE what good does putting up a new build do if you can't get rid of the clones?
22:19 VanessaE the users will never find the good buil;d
22:19 VanessaE -;
22:19 coagen I mean, I don't know if they can be gotten rid of right away, and I don't know if I care about them
22:20 coagen thats the opposite of postive thinging
22:20 coagen *thinking
22:20 coagen if ppl know the real build
22:20 coagen and rate it
22:20 coagen etc
22:20 coagen and install it
22:20 coagen it will rise in popularity
22:20 coagen and it will be found
22:20 coagen first it has to be there
22:20 VanessaE they DON'T know the real build
22:20 VanessaE that's the problem
22:20 VanessaE the average user, unfortunately, is an idiot when it comes do doing a little basic research
22:21 VanessaE I wish this were not the case
22:21 VanessaE but it is.
22:21 gravgun VanessaE: that's basically the problem with EVERY single app based on open-source works not ever mentioning it to the end-user
22:21 Jordach VanessaE, i could pay that fee, but someone would have to hand me something in return of 1/6th value
22:21 coagen SylvieLorxu: i'm quite comfortable with paying $25 damn dollars... I mean jeez if thats all thats holding stuff back i'll donate it myself
22:21 coagen VanessaE: I agree avg users are idiots, but they'll never find the real mt, if its on the gp store
22:21 Jordach (buy a game on steam and it's a done deal)
22:22 SylvieLorxu Minetest on F-Droid when?
22:22 coagen SylvieLorxu: i was saying that should happen
22:22 coagen earlier
22:22 SylvieLorxu F-Droid is great
22:22 coagen MT should be on f-droid
22:22 coagen I'm surprised its not :
22:22 coagen :|
22:23 VanessaE coagen: they found buildcraft, worldcraft, et al.  If they can find those, they can find the REAL Minetest, but that will only be possible if we get rid of the clones.
22:24 SylvieLorxu https://f-droid.org/forums/topic/minetest/
22:24 SylvieLorxu F-Droid is sometimes so slow :(
22:24 coagen VanessaE: that is silly.
22:24 VanessaE coagen: it's reality
22:24 VanessaE it sucks but that's just how people are.
22:24 VanessaE reality is, as they say, often stranger than fiction
22:24 coagen VanessaE: I disagree. I think if the real MT is there. the clones will be ignored
22:25 coagen eventually
22:25 VanessaE coagen: players don't KNOW what the REAL Minetest is.
22:25 VanessaE that's the problem
22:25 VanessaE and if there are clones, they sap our market share
22:25 VanessaE what little of it we get to begin with
22:25 NemoMT Most players are just looking for a silly MC clone, in my opinion.
22:25 VanessaE NemoMT: precisely
22:26 coagen meh...
22:26 NemoMT Although some players actually know what MT is and are looking for it.
22:26 VanessaE ANY minecraft clone will do, in their eyes, and if it runs on the Minetest network of servers, all the better - they don't care.
22:26 VanessaE I am speaking from experience here.
22:27 VanessaE 75% of my servers' users come from tablets.
22:27 VanessaE they don't even KNOW what they run
22:27 VanessaE hell some of them don't even know they're running Android
22:28 Jordach we need as a whole damn species better IT savvyness
22:28 coagen VanessaE: but does the client provide any kind of agent string that would identify its orgin, worldcraft, or the other one?
22:28 VanessaE a few can't even figure out how to spell "Kindle" and it's written right there on the device
22:28 coagen lol
22:28 NemoMT 90% of MT clone android users are young kids. I highly doubt many of them are above the age of 13.
22:28 VanessaE coagen: no, they don't provide a usable "agent string" if you can call it that
22:28 VanessaE they all identify as a Minetest 0.4.x build
22:28 VanessaE (some as old as 0.4.7, some as new as 0.4.10-dev)
22:29 gravgun VanessaE: is it legally possible to force changing a user-agent string when creating a derivative work of MT?
22:29 gravgun I mean with (L)GPL, all of this...
22:29 VanessaE gravgun: I don't know.
22:29 gravgun Step 1: change the protol, break everything :3
22:30 VanessaE gravgun: 0.5.0
22:30 VanessaE that will probably happen then :P
22:31 coagen VanessaE: thanks for covering this subject in depth, I think I learned a few things
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22:31 VanessaE coagen: I only know a little bit compared to other folks
22:32 coagen VanessaE: also, you got some tricked out minetest.conf file I can play with on your site?
22:32 gravgun coagen, I experience the same rage that VanessaE have right now concerning "clones"...
22:32 coagen VanessaE: It was quite educational for me ;)
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22:33 VanessaE coagen: not really, but here is an example .conf from my survival server:  http://pastebin.com/bQ883N5R
22:34 hisforeverkid I got my castle done except the shrubs
22:35 coagen VanessaE: thx
22:35 coagen VanessaE: I'll see if I can understand this ;)
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