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00:14 ZombieAlive Artemis3:  Hola chica que tal me echa una manito.
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01:09 kaeza doing anything in blender is insane, unless you have a 5000+px resolution and a 8 monitor setup
01:11 VanessaE blender will drive you to have a stroke.
01:12 VanessaE I say that after spending all evening yesterday to make the three models in that "mesh slope test" mod.
01:13 kaeza hah
01:13 VanessaE (and one or more UV maps apparently are screwed up a little, yet)
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01:15 ReaLM sup sup my peeps
01:15 VanessaE hi
01:16 ReaLM vanessa can i pm you
01:16 ReaLM ?
01:16 VanessaE I'd prefer not.
01:16 ReaLM hmm ok
01:16 VanessaE not in a very good state of mind right now
01:16 ReaLM sounds fair
01:16 ReaLM dont worry
01:16 ReaLM ill try later
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01:16 ReaLM OldCoder can i pm you?
01:17 OldCoder Sure
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01:55 realtinymonster good day peoples
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02:28 ReaLM hi rtm
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04:53 hisforeverkid hi I need help with a word the statment is ..??? air default:water_source
04:54 hisforeverkid /?? air default:water_source what are the question mark word?
04:54 VanessaE hisforeverkid:   //replace air default:water_source
04:55 VanessaE but first,
04:55 hisforeverkid thanks
04:55 VanessaE make sure that what you're about to replace will not cause a spill
04:55 VanessaE it's good to  //replace air cobble
04:55 hisforeverkid I rembered everything but that one
04:55 VanessaE check that it fits, then    //replace cobble default:water_source
04:56 hisforeverkid ok ty good night
04:56 VanessaE night
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05:39 Fritigern VanessaE: I am no Blender Guru either, so what i would prolly do is use Wings3d to create the mesh, explort as obj, import in blender then export as .blend. That may be a little easier
05:39 Fritigern *export
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06:46 kilbith Zeno` : there's certainly something buggy with the latest RBA's changes. I spent only few minutes on VE-Creative, I experienced some frequent & suddent FPS-drops, and my RAM-usage was being mad : https://cdn.mediacru.sh/U9j3rv8fMmcV.png
06:47 kilbith ^ RealBadAngel
06:47 kilbith latest -dev from today
06:48 Zeno` what is RSS?
06:49 kilbith the RAM usage
06:49 kilbith it was very *heavy* to close the client
06:49 kilbith and sloow
06:49 Zeno` 167777216 TB ?!
06:49 ThatGraemeGuy what the fudge? :-o
06:50 kilbith I had to shutdown the computer so it was sloow
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06:50 Zeno` well using 16777216TB would likely cause things to be a bit slow
06:50 Zeno` how is that even possible?
06:50 ThatGraemeGuy I have to close my client if I play for a long stretch, but it never gets that bad
06:51 ThatGraemeGuy i'll get to a point where its using about 6GB and then i need to close it because it starts paging too much
06:51 ThatGraemeGuy but I haven't updated in a couple of weeks either
06:51 kilbith i'm talking about the latest -dev
06:52 ThatGraemeGuy yeah, you should probably ignore my rambling :-)
06:52 kilbith which is seem very buggy
06:52 Zeno` I'll try with valgrind in a moment and see if anything pops up
06:53 Zeno` also launching client now to see if I can get RAM usage like that :D
06:53 kilbith other players complained about that recently
06:53 kilbith fps-drops
06:55 kilbith look into by screenie, the memory usage is full
06:56 kilbith one week ago it was at only 2GB
06:56 kilbith now 4GB
06:58 Zeno` running client now on same server
06:58 Zeno` will see what happens
06:58 Zeno` brb
06:58 kilbith thanks
07:00 RealBadAngel killbith you have compiled with my latest patch?
07:01 kilbith I have your latest patch installed yes
07:01 kilbith https://code.launchpad.net/~minetestdevs​/+archive/ubuntu/daily-builds/+packages
07:01 kilbith ubuntu 14.04 - 8 hours ago
07:03 RealBadAngel https://github.com/RealBadAngel/minetest/com​mit/d221917170c2bb43c66e5e09f2a43350cf28d71b
07:03 RealBadAngel i mean this one
07:05 RealBadAngel ah yes
07:05 RealBadAngel it has it
07:05 RealBadAngel i will try to find out reasons for such enormous ram usage
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07:21 kilbith yes, I have this one
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08:08 Zeno` mine is not leaking :/
08:09 Zeno` FPS issues *seem* to occur throughout the day/night transition
08:09 Zeno` For no apparent (to me) reason
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08:57 kaeza oh hey, wings3d interface is actually usable
08:57 kaeza and has .x export :>
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09:38 Zeno` hmm, even I might be able to use that
09:38 Zeno` (wings3d)
09:42 Fritigern Wings3d is a little dated, especially their gui, but it works :-)
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10:46 Zeno` hi Fritigern
10:46 Zeno` hi nore
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10:46 Zeno` hi Viper168
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12:54 hisforever Hi I'm using dreambuilers and when I use a //p set I get like a black fog in the land I've tried to //p set it again and it clears what I just //p set but when I //reset the black fog moves to a new location. Any sugestions on how to get this fog off?
12:55 Amaz Select the area with the black fog in, and run //replace air air
12:55 hisforever will that leave builds in tact?
12:56 Amaz Yep.
12:59 hisforever ok ty I'll  do that
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13:15 hisforever Thanks Amaz that worked like a charm
13:17 hisforever need 1 more Question answered if possible I set day to stay at 12:00 all the time Hho do I get it back to defalt time?
13:18 hisforever hho = how lol
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13:27 kilbith what do you think about a new MT organization like that ?  https://www.mediacru.sh/o5n61FzBmMg6
13:34 Zeno` I think it's good if it can me made to work
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13:37 kilbith in parralel to that, there may be a remuneration system based on donations for motivating more devs
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13:48 PilzAdam kilbith, thats basically how it looks currently; except that we don't have a "leader"
13:48 kilbith and we need him
13:49 PilzAdam also a single person to approve pull requests is too inefficient
13:49 kilbith fighting too
13:50 PilzAdam a single person who can decided what they want causes "fighting" too
13:51 PilzAdam the main problem currently that most devs don't review pull requests / write code anymore
13:51 kilbith problems is that no-one take his responsabilities for make radical decisions, and the apathy is widely spreaded in there
13:51 kilbith if someone is away for a certain time, all become suddently frozen
13:52 kilbith it's abnormal and even dangereous in long-term
13:52 PilzAdam reviewing pull requests doesn't require making "radical decisions"
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13:53 PilzAdam [15:51:50] <kilbith> if someone is away for a certain time, all become suddently frozen <- wouldn't your suggestion make that even worse?
13:54 PilzAdam when everything depends on a single "leader"
13:54 kilbith the builders/testers team should allow the radical decisions in right, by flying over the long / unproductive arguing
13:54 Zeno` <PilzAdam> the main problem currently that most devs don't review pull requests / write code anymore       <--- Isn't that kind of bad?
13:54 Zeno` How can anything happen if that's really the situation?
13:55 PilzAdam Zeno`, yes, that is bad
13:55 PilzAdam but a "leader" doesn't solve this
13:55 kilbith the regular gathering 'per week' may at least a good partial solution
13:56 Zeno` take me to your leader, I shall speak to him!
13:56 PilzAdam kilbith, we already tried that
13:56 PilzAdam only the one who wanted the meeting was there
13:56 kilbith so, give sanctions for those that don't honor the gather/rendez-vous
13:57 PilzAdam you forget that everyone here is for fun
13:57 * Zeno` watches the tumble-weeds roll across the sand
13:58 PilzAdam nobody would want to join the dev team if it has rules like "weekly meetings you must attend"
13:58 Zeno` nobody can join the dev team anyway :D
13:59 Zeno` anyway, night all
14:00 PilzAdam a solution (tm) would be to encourage the existing devs to review pull requests (merging pull requests needs 2 core devs)
14:00 kilbith if people is remunerated, money can raise the motivation, the sanctions for omit the gather could be the reducing/removing the remuneration
14:01 PilzAdam at least for me, money wouldn't increase my motivation
14:01 PilzAdam it would rather benefit in seeing pull requests as "work that has to be done" and not as a fun thing to do
14:03 kilbith imo, actually there is a lack of attendance/responsibility
14:06 Brains There is actually some evidence that offering money can *de*motivate folks in situations like these.
14:06 Brains kilbith: Answer simple.  Fork, setup your organization the way you want.
14:07 kilbith i'm not a dev and forking is bad for coordination
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14:08 Brains In that case, you'll need to convince people to do what you want...  And sanctions don't tend to do that.
14:08 MARKTRACEUR HEY MINETESTERS. I JUST THOUGHT I WOULD LET YOU KNOW THAT MINETEST IS WOEFULLY UNPREPARED FOR INTERNATIONAL CAPS LOCK DAY.
14:08 reactor [slow clap]
14:08 kilbith MT has lost 2 providentials devs with forking-principle, xyz & proller
14:09 Brains Forking is actually not a bad thing in general...  And certainly not in concept.  Most of the problems that occur show that not-forking wasn't tenable.
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14:12 PILZADAM MARKTRACEUR, THANKS FOR THE REMINDER
14:13 MARKTRACEUR PILZADAM: YOU'RE VERY WELCOME! I EXIST ONLY TO BE HELPFUL, AS YOU KNOW.
14:13 Zeno` IT IS OCTOBER 23 HERE
14:13 PILZADAM :-/ THAT MEANS I CAN'T CODE TODAY...
14:14 Zeno` COBOL IS OK
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14:14 Zeno` HOW DO TIMEZONES WORK WITH THESE INTERNATIONAL DAYS?
14:15 Zeno` BECAUSE IT'S SERIOUSLY THE 23RD HERE
14:15 MARKTRACEUR PILZADAM: THERE'S A TERMCAP COMMAND OR SOMETHING THAT MAKES YOUR ENTIRE TERMINAL CAPITALIZED IN APPEARANCE...
14:15 reactor дОЕС КОИ-7 КОУНТ АС КАПС ЛОЦК?
14:15 MARKTRACEUR Zeno`: I GUESS YOU COULD INTERPRET IT TO BE OCTOBER 22ND IN UTC STILL MAYBE?
14:16 Zeno` YES I GUESS IT'S ONLY 14:15 UTC
14:16 Zeno` I AM GLAD I WILL BE SLEEPING MOST OF THIS DAY
14:17 reactor и ГУЕСС НОБОДИ КАН РЕАД ИТ ТХЕН. :(
14:18 e1z0 i can read it
14:18 e1z0 :|
14:19 Zeno` I THINK I WILL BUY A TRACTOR TO CELEBRATE
14:20 PILZADAM MARKTRACEUR, HOW DO I SET THAT?
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14:22 reactor аНИ ТЕСТ СУБЙЕКТС ТОДАЫ?
14:22 MARKTRACEUR PILZADAM: I FORGET, SORRY.
14:23 PILZADAM WHEN I SEARCH IT THE ONLY RESULTS I GET ARE ABOUT STRING PROCESSING IN BASH SCRIPTS...
14:23 SylvieLorxu MARKTRACEUR: Am I supposed to use the physical caps lock key or the key that's bound to caps lock? I bound my caps lock to escape
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14:24 MARKTRACEUR SylvieLorxu: I THINK WHATEVER MAKES YOUR TEXT COME OUT AS CAPITALS, BUT I SUPPOSE THERE ARE DIFFERENT INTERPRETATIONS. I DON'T MIND EITHER WAY
14:25 SylvieLorxu oKAY, THANKS
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14:25 Brains Since the title refers to 'Capslock' and not Capitals, I'd argue you should punch the Capslock and be done with it.
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14:54 Vazon Is OldCoder around?
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15:05 PenguinDad !doge
15:05 MinetestBot DOGE is at 0.00000066 BTC
15:06 MXRecord 66!
15:08 PenguinDad MXRecord: the value is 0.00000600 BTC too low :P
15:10 MXRecord PenguinDad: yep
15:12 * MXRecord will be back in a few seconds, no pings please
15:12 PenguinDad Aw yiss only 5 days left!
15:12 MXRecord PenguinDad: until what?
15:13 PenguinDad MXRecord: Until Abandon Ship gets released
15:13 MXRecord I will be back, I am going to change nicks a few times
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15:15 Yellowberry PenguinDad: i'm back
15:15 Yellowberry what is coming out?
15:16 PenguinDad Yellowberry: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aban​don_Ship_%28Knife_Party_album%29
15:17 PenguinDad mfw i didn't notice the release got postponed
15:17 Yellowberry lol
15:17 Yellowberry now 19 days
15:17 Yellowberry XD
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15:21 Yellowberry Hi!
15:21 Yellowberry Bye!
15:21 Yellowberry lol
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15:22 Yellowberry Hi shadowzone!
15:22 shadowzone hello
15:22 Yellowberry like my nick?
15:26 jojoa1997 yelllo
15:26 * PenguinDad yells at jojoa1997
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15:28 shadowzone uh...
15:28 shadowzone I don't know who you are.
15:29 Yellowberry shadowzone: I am RTM
15:29 shadowzone oh.
15:29 shadowzone nice nick.
15:29 Yellowberry thanks sir
15:29 coagen Yellowberry: I prefer pineapples
15:29 Yellowberry If you don't get it, i'm a banana
15:29 shadowzone sir?
15:29 coagen oh
15:29 coagen i'm an egg
15:30 Yellowberry shadowzone: what?
15:30 gloop I'm a-- oh right, nobody cares
15:30 shadowzone I'm a girl.
15:30 Yellowberry shadowzone: lel
15:30 coagen i'm a chick w/huge tits
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15:31 * Yellowberry thinks of everyone as sir
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15:31 PenguinDad I'm a penguin who sounds like a cat when he wakes up lol
15:31 Yellowberry lol
15:32 Yellowberry what is the currency conversion command for minetestbot?
15:32 PenguinDad !btc ARS
15:32 MinetestBot PenguinDad: Unknown currency. Supported currencies: RUB, DKK, CNY, USD, KRW, HKD, BRL, SEK, AUD, GBP, CHF, EUR, TWD, NZD, SGD, JPY, THB, CLP, PLN, CAD, ISK
15:32 Yellowberry cool
15:32 Yellowberry thanks
15:32 Yellowberry !btc HUF
15:32 MinetestBot Yellowberry: Unknown currency. Supported currencies: RUB, DKK, CNY, USD, KRW, HKD, BRL, SEK, AUD, GBP, CHF, EUR, TWD, NZD, SGD, JPY, THB, CLP, PLN, CAD, ISK
15:33 Yellowberry :(
15:33 * sfan5 paws PenguinDad
15:33 Yellowberry ah
15:33 Yellowberry !
15:33 * PenguinDad wings sfan5
15:33 Yellowberry I am not paying 650 dollars for a handheld
15:33 * sfan5 purrs at PenguinDad
15:34 Yellowberry who would get this: https://www.dragonbox.de/index.php?i​d_product=112&amp;controller=product
15:34 Yellowberry in this channel
15:34 sfan5 !title
15:34 MinetestBot sfan5: OpenPandora 1GHz Edition
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15:34 sfan5 openpandora sucks
15:34 sfan5 a bit
15:35 Yellowberry why?
15:35 gravgun OpenPandora = PowerVR shit gpu
15:35 gravgun keep ImgTech out of my house.
15:36 gravgun Unless they provide free drivers.
15:37 sfan5 powerVR sucks too
15:37 sfan5 there are no free drivers
15:37 gravgun actually
15:37 gravgun i found somthing interesting on GitHub about PVR driver
15:37 gravgun The binary driver's source was leaked
15:38 sfan5 clone it before it gets a dmca
15:39 gravgun did already :3
15:39 gravgun https://github.com/jumoog/GFX_Linux_DDK
15:39 * Yellowberry is researching on how to use music trackers
15:39 gravgun I informed GNU Project #powervr about it
15:40 gravgun And now
15:40 gravgun we wait
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15:41 Yellowberry Calinou! Hi!
15:41 gravgun Hi Calinou
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15:43 Yellowberry hi
15:43 gravgun (Yellowberry: copypasta fail?)
15:43 Zeno` Calinou      "Can we patch Minetest or Freeminer with their stuff then get a working build? If not, it is a violation."
15:43 Zeno` Show me where, please, in the LICENSE where that is a requirement
15:43 Yellowberry gravgun: totally intentional
15:44 Zeno` If you can't then stop, please, with the FUD
15:44 VanessaE hi all.
15:44 Yellowberry Hi VanessaE
15:47 sfan5 Zeno`: the license only says they need to provide the source
15:48 sfan5 You could totally get around that by not providing your custom build script
15:48 sfan5 (more or less get around
15:48 sfan5 )
15:48 Zeno` sfan5, which they have done, which is why I'm asking Calinou to explain
15:51 Calinou hi
15:52 Calinou sfan5, they seem to provie full source, but outdated or such
15:52 Calinou and Zeno` voiced it in a way that means there are only patches available
15:52 Zeno` it doesn't matter if it's outdated
15:52 Calinou it does matter
15:52 Calinou the newer versions would violate the license
15:52 Zeno` no it doesn't
15:52 Calinou WTF
15:52 Zeno` what newer versions?
15:53 Calinou let's say we have Minetest 0.4.10 which is the base of Mobilecraft 0.4.10 – the source of that Mobilecraft is released
15:53 Calinou but then Minetest 0.4.11 is released
15:53 Calinou if Mobilecraft's latest version is still 0.4.10, that's fine
15:53 sfan5 we understand that
15:53 Calinou but if they update to 0.4.11, but don't release source, it becomes a violation again
15:53 Zeno` They are under no obligation to keep up with master
15:53 sfan5 is there actually a new version?
15:53 Calinou sfan5, not everyone apparently did
15:54 Calinou Zeno`, they must release source of every version they publish; the end
15:54 iqualfragile sfan5: https://gcc.gnu.org/wiki/AutoFDO
15:54 Calinou they can keep their stuff outdated if they wish; what they can't do is make outdated free version, and up-to-date proprietary version
15:54 Zeno` and their latest publish version is... 0.4.10
15:54 Calinou public, yes
15:54 sfan5 iqualfragile: wrong person?
15:54 iqualfragile sfan5: no, you do some builds
15:55 sfan5 do you think I feel like re-compiling mingw?
15:55 iqualfragile sfan5: no, but can't you cross compile using gcc?
15:55 Zeno` where the hell is the "up-to-date proprietary version"?
15:55 sfan5 yes
15:55 iqualfragile sfan5: so this could be usefull as minetest is largely cpu bound
15:55 Calinou I was guarding against the argument “they published the source of one version, so it's fine”
15:55 sfan5 Calinou: in theory, LGPL always applied; in practice, nobody gives a shit about private stuff
15:56 sfan5 applies*
15:56 Calinou but here it's public
15:56 Calinou it's not like the Play Store is private
15:56 sfan5 where is the new version you are talking of?
15:56 sfan5 iqualfragile: how do I activate this?
15:56 Zeno` so you judge them guilty before they commit something wrong?
15:56 Zeno` That doesn't seem fair
15:56 iqualfragile sfan5: well, i think the website contains sufficient instructions
15:56 Calinou being hypothetical isn't bad
15:57 Calinou I'm sure this will happen some day
15:57 Zeno` it is when you're accusing people of being non-compliant
15:57 sfan5 iqualfragile: I disagree
15:57 Yellowberry http://keygenmusic.net/music​/dvt/DVT-AdBlockPro2.2kg.7z
15:57 iqualfragile sfan5: where exactly are you stuck?
15:57 Zeno` anyway, I just wanted to clear that up
15:58 sfan5 iqualfragile: how do I do this?
15:58 iqualfragile sfan5: im gaming for a few minutes, we can talk about that afterwards
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16:03 * Zeno` is sorry for being angry but will not apologise for defending people's rights to do what is permitted under the LGPL and GPL and the spirit of those licenses
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16:05 * Yellowberry has such bad internet at his other computer that he can't even do a speedtest
16:05 Calinou http://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/2jxqpg/ca​lling_out_crappy_hardware_manufacturers_corsair/
16:05 Calinou :phoronix rolleyes:
16:05 Calinou (see the poster)
16:05 iqualfragile sfan5: bascially 1st compile with -profile-generate
16:06 iqualfragile then with -fprofile-use
16:06 sfan5 iqualfragile: does gcc 4.8 have that flag?
16:06 iqualfragile inbetween run the code
16:06 iqualfragile yes, that feature is rather old
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16:10 zlsa Calinou, what about phoronix?
16:11 gravgun zlsa: nothing really, it's just about Phoronix's... reputation
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16:12 gravgun It's not THE reference for everything linux/graphics/...
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16:12 kilbith Phoronix is the reference for linux benchmarking
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16:12 gravgun They do good benchmarks tho
16:12 gravgun indeed
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16:23 Yellowberry Asie!
16:23 asie Pinkberry!
16:23 gravgun Pink?
16:24 gravgun More like Yellow
16:24 PenguinDad Pinkieberry :P
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16:26 Yellowberry oh snap
16:26 Yellowberry PenguinDad: I was actaully thinking of that one last night
16:27 Calinou hi PenguinDad :)
16:27 PenguinDad Hi Calinou
16:27 * sfan5 paws Asie
16:28 * Yellowberry slaps sfan5
16:28 Yellowberry get away!
16:28 Yellowberry don't eat me!
16:28 PenguinDad Yellowberry: one does not simply slap a cat
16:29 sfan5 ???
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16:29 * Yellowberry is scared of cats
16:29 * Yellowberry has reason to be, because he is a banana
16:29 iqualfragile hello child!
16:30 PenguinDad Yellowberry: I'm scared of tall faceless men in suits :P
16:30 Yellowberry PenguinDad: at least those can't eat me, because they have no face
16:31 Jordach sfan5, !cat https://i.imgur.com/s9tdEOi.jpg
16:32 PenguinDad Yellowberry: But they will take you and they will break you
16:32 * Yellowberry gets very scared of tall faceless men
16:32 sfan5 Jordach: <MinetestBot> [git] sfan5 -> sfan5/minetestbot-modules: cats 83affb3 http://git.io/jAuTaw (2014-10-22T18:32:22+02:00)
16:33 Yellowberry PenguinDad: do you mean to say they will peel me?
16:35 Yellowberry this kid never ceases to amaze me:
16:35 Yellowberry http://www.audiotool.com/user/djsolace1000/
16:35 Yellowberry I can call him a kid cause he is about a month younger than me :P
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16:36 Yellowberry ^ PenguinDad you may enjoy his music
16:40 Calinou I'm making a new Ubuntu build (will no longer be run-in-place)
16:40 PenguinDad Calinou: how about crouch in place?
16:43 Calinou it's been almost 1 month since last build ;)
16:43 Calinou will still bundle mapper, NodeBoxEditor, Carbone, More Blocks/Map Tools, some texture packs
16:43 Calinou all that in a 12 MB .tar.xz
16:43 PenguinDad Yellowberry: meh :/
16:44 Yellowberry Meh?
17:00 Yellowberry I will be back at 3 my time
17:00 Yellowberry bye
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17:04 Krock hi ppl
17:04 Calinou hi Krock
17:04 Calinou the new Ubuntu build is up
17:04 Krock \o/ .. wait.. why do I do that?
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17:05 Calinou my topic got 170 views and 0 replies, I know
17:05 Krock Can't write a reply. :P
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17:13 Krock Calinou, I think "It works on all 64-bit processors" would be easier to understand
17:14 celeron55 HERE'S A THING! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FCgTNHndNCM https://github.com/celeron55/buildat/b​lob/master/games/digger/main/main.cpp https://github.com/celeron55/buildat/blob/m​aster/games/digger/main/client_lua/init.lua
17:14 * VanessaE mumbles something about meshes:  https://forum.minetest.net/v​iewtopic.php?f=9&amp;t=10428
17:14 VanessaE here, have something useful ;)
17:14 Krock !title
17:14 MinetestBot Krock: [Mod] Mesh slopes test [0.7][slope_test] - Minetest Forums
17:14 Krock \o/
17:15 Krock celeron55, looks nice but the light "gets dark" too fast
17:15 Calinou can we use custom sun/moon textures inside of a game, without texture pack?
17:16 Krock Calinou, with a mod
17:16 Jordach celeron55, realtime lights
17:16 celeron55 Krock: lol i don't even care
17:16 Krock k. chief.
17:17 Calinou “Don't worry, Urho3D isn't a distro-packageable library due to its various configuration options.”
17:17 Calinou well…
17:17 Calinou is this using TCP, or TCP + UDP?
17:18 celeron55 it's as KISS as the concept can go (holy fuck it's large already)
17:18 celeron55 so, TCP-only so far
17:18 Calinou meh
17:19 Jordach celeron55, https://cdn.mediacru.sh/PYos2gN1atzk.png
17:19 celeron55 how is that a big deal
17:19 Jordach you darn fucked up :3
17:19 celeron55 which package is that and how did you start it up
17:20 Jordach full
17:20 celeron55 you can't just click on the exe
17:20 celeron55 use the .bat
17:20 celeron55 it isn't user friendly at all for now; not a priority
17:22 Jordach killing a connected client kills the server
17:22 celeron55 yes the windows server is broken in that way
17:22 celeron55 go use a real OS, the windows builds are pretty much just a proof that it builds at all
17:23 celeron55 8)
17:24 Jordach i would but AMD
17:24 Jordach i bought the wrong chip manufacturer :3
17:24 celeron55 you really should buy a chip manufacturer
17:24 celeron55 and make them make linux compatible stuff
17:25 Calinou https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.ph​p?f=14&amp;t=7864&amp;p=159421#p158820
17:25 Calinou whoa
17:25 Calinou finally object lighting, apparently
17:26 celeron55 but, anyway
17:27 celeron55 i'm looking for people who maybe might be bored with minetest and who can get their head around C++ and would like to spend a bit of time building some stuff on this thing
17:28 Krock wat? minetest is never boring.
17:28 kilbith buildat is a real competitor for MT ?
17:28 VanessaE if you're bored with minetest, play a different subgame.
17:29 celeron55 this isn't a direct competitor because thtis has quite different strengths and weaknesses
17:29 celeron55 thisS*
17:29 celeron55 this*
17:30 kilbith hmm, ok
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17:32 celeron55 that being said, it probably could replace minetest quite competitively in the long run if people start working toward such
17:32 celeron55 it's capable of being a superset of everything MT can do and probably ever can do
17:33 jin_xi looks nice
17:34 celeron55 but it's very early in development for that goal (MT has 150klines of code most if which is actually useful; you just don't make that amount of stuff very fast)
17:35 Krock \o/ new record: compiled MT in just 00:09:09.59 1 minute faster than last time
17:37 Jordach celeron55, suddenly: some form of API translation
17:41 celeron55 implementing the MT API on buildat is certainly possible in the long run if someone wants to do that
17:41 celeron55 (a lot of work maybe, but that's to be expected)
17:42 Calinou <Krock> wat? minetest is never boring.
17:42 Calinou +1
17:42 Krock :)
17:43 PenguinDad Krock: +10
17:43 celeron55 as you can see, MT doesn't even need a direct competitor; that's why buildat isn't one
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17:43 celeron55 this is just the only place i know where anyone might get interested at all so this is where i will come looking for people :P
17:44 coagen celeron55: I"M A REAL PERSON
17:44 * Amaz is interested!
17:44 Amaz But doesn't know C++
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17:44 * coagen carasses his own fleshy skin
17:45 * Krock is not interested since that's linux stuff
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17:46 coagen Linux stuff?
17:46 coagen what did I miss :|
17:46 * PenguinDad would be interested in Testraria :D
17:46 celeron55 you missed the link at the topic: http://irc.minetest.ru/minetest/
17:46 celeron55 8)
17:47 coagen celeron55: thx
17:47 celeron55 PenguinDad: what does that mean
17:47 shadowzone hello celeron55
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17:48 Calinou making custom sun/moon textures
17:49 iqualfragile dear god activity
17:50 PenguinDad celeron55: a terraria-like based on LÖVE or somthing like that ;)
17:50 coagen celeron55: not a c++ guy, but I will entertain test builds on linux boxes, playing with it in general... might even report bugs if I feel like it
17:51 * coagen does more scripting that actual coding
17:51 celeron55 PenguinDad: making a terraria-like in buildat is not out of the question 8)
17:52 celeron55 it could even share some item framework or whatever stuff with other buildat games
17:53 Jordach PenguinDad, err
17:53 celeron55 (that's the spirit of buildat; it's like minetest 0.4 exploded at its roots)
17:54 Jordach PenguinDad, https://forum.minetest.net/v​iewtopic.php?f=14&amp;t=8443
17:54 Jordach i did have a prototype somewhere
17:54 celeron55 i probably should make buildat's website served by buildat itself because buildat
17:55 Jordach yo dawg, i heard you liked buildat, so i put buildat in your buildat
17:55 * Jordach is top kek memer
17:56 coagen heh heh: U R HO 3D
17:56 coagen u r a ho! in 3d!
17:56 celeron55 urho3d is the stupidest name in the universe; it's made by a finnish guy though so it's understandable
17:57 celeron55 we're the best at inventing bad names
17:57 Jordach s/bad/untranslatable or difficult to pronounce in english/
17:57 coagen Unity3D to Urho3D exporter? what? https://urho3d.github.io
17:57 coagen interesting
17:57 celeron55 i use "namespace magic = Urho3D" a lot in Buildat though 8D
17:58 Jordach celeron55, now that's how you should program apps
17:58 celeron55 coagen: the importers are for models and some other assets
17:59 coagen celeron55: cool stuff man, I keep thinking one of these day's I'll try to fool around with unity assets... they make it so easy from what I understand
18:00 celeron55 i sometimes think i should have built buildat on unity, but then again screw it, i'm too edgy for that
18:00 celeron55 and it isn't free software anyway
18:00 iqualfragile celeron55: python api plz
18:00 celeron55 iqualfragile: maek it
18:01 Amaz Python api would be awesome.
18:01 celeron55 iqualfragile: altough, actually don't, because the client is locked to lua
18:01 celeron55 it would be weird to program in python and lua
18:01 iqualfragile python can be sandboxed
18:01 iqualfragile if you use pypy
18:01 celeron55 yes but the client relies on urho3d's bindings
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18:02 celeron55 and urho3d has bindings only for lua and angelscript, and of out of those only lua is flexible enough for this purpose
18:02 iqualfragile uh sounds not great
18:02 celeron55 i like lua
18:02 coagen celeron55: if you made it simple for folks to bring the code into unity... I'm quite certian there would be devs all over it
18:03 celeron55 coagen: uh, what do you mean? probably not possible
18:03 iqualfragile coagen: unity is not oss
18:03 coagen celeron55: I know its not free... and I don't like that either... but all the game devs around here use it. :|
18:03 coagen iqualfragile: I know that
18:03 coagen it is free in a sense
18:03 coagen actually
18:04 coagen you can get the free version
18:04 coagen but its not oss
18:04 coagen there was a game dev thing I went to last year here, even people with seemingly little time or experience had all kinds of weird games on display
18:04 coagen all composed in unity
18:05 celeron55 all of them were physics puzzle platformers? 8)
18:05 coagen no
18:05 celeron55 that's what unity games tend to be
18:05 Calinou <celeron55> i use "namespace magic = Urho3D" a lot in Buildat though 8D
18:05 Calinou why not namespace urho
18:05 Calinou or urho3d
18:05 coagen there was everything from a buddhist skyrim sort of thing to a relationship/kissing game
18:05 coagen and train, fighting, racing, and other weird games
18:06 coagen anway
18:06 celeron55 sounds like the gamedev scene there is quite competitive
18:06 coagen just saying man
18:06 coagen its crazy
18:06 Calinou it's cheap
18:06 coagen they have meetings every week and I'm on their mailing list
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18:06 coagen used to go to the meetings... haven't been in a while, but the main guys there know me
18:07 PenguinDad "namespace HowDoesThisEvenWork = Urho3D" :P
18:07 coagen anyway, if it were easy to get into unity for these folks, I would have no choice but to mention it to them ;)
18:07 celeron55 unity is all C# as far as i know
18:07 coagen that said, I have no idea what that means
18:07 celeron55 and C# is compatible with pretty much only C#
18:07 coagen yes, but you can process other langs
18:08 coagen just have to start with c# then interpret
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18:08 Jordach interpretted c anyone
18:09 coagen celeron55: http://forum.unity3d.com/th​reads/unity3d-and-c.186855/ third post
18:09 coagen forum.unity3d.com/threads/unit​y3d-and-c.186855/#post-1276991
18:09 celeron55 oh, so unity pro allows C++ plugins
18:10 Calinou Carbone textures now has sun/moon and custom halo
18:10 celeron55 unity is still windows-only though so i hate it
18:12 coagen celeron55: incorrect, runs on osx great
18:13 Calinou it is cross-platform
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18:13 Calinou but you don't get to choose which platforms it runs on 8)
18:13 coagen celeron55: http://wiki.unity3d.com/index.php/R​unning_Unity_on_Linux_through_Wine
18:13 coagen celeron55: but yes, it does not run natively on linux... which sucks :|
18:13 celeron55 but i get to write buildat to run on any platforms i choose
18:14 Calinou https://mediacru.sh/ac5cdddbbc49
18:14 coagen celeron55: most game dev's I know unfortunately use winblows
18:14 celeron55 the best thing about making things yourself is that you aren't locked to any silly limitations imposed by someone else 8)
18:14 celeron55 coagen: yes, obviously
18:15 Calinou it moves smoothly, as it's an image, no aliasing :)
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18:16 coagen then again.... I wonder how many companies are terrified of ms now, with their mc clones...
18:16 Calinou we're not one
18:16 Calinou we don't use the same assets
18:17 coagen mt is not a company, its an oss project
18:17 coagen I do not think they are the same
18:17 celeron55 the law really only applies to commercial things when it comes to stuff like this
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18:17 celeron55 unless you really copy assets and trademarks
18:18 PenguinDad Calinou: the sun and moon remind a bit of good morning craft :)
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18:21 Calinou it isn't even a legal entity, coagen
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18:22 coagen :\
18:22 coagen Calinou: actually since you mentioned that
18:23 coagen celeron55: just curious if you had thought about what you would do if ms wanted to hire you to work on mc related stuff and cease all mt/buildat etc.
18:23 coagen celeron55: does mt need something like a "foundation" to preserve the freedom?
18:23 coagen heh
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18:24 iqualfragile there were talks about putting minetest into a existing foundation a while back
18:24 celeron55 the only things i have control of regarding to MT is the main website, the domain and arguably the trademark
18:24 celeron55 so taking those out, in the worst case, would move people to freeminer or just make up a new name otherrwise and go on
18:24 celeron55 -r
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18:25 celeron55 MT's current organization is pretty much unstoppable
18:25 celeron55 but on the other hand it isn't doing very much either 8)
18:25 Krock Calinou, 1st image looks interesting (see left side of highlighed tree trunk)
18:25 Calinou coagen, if that happens (very unlikely anyway), other contributors can work on it
18:26 Krock it seems to be wrong at the 1st view but correctly when looking agiain
18:26 coagen celeron55: cool, thanks for answering that
18:26 celeron55 and, i'm 100% sure microsoft isn't going to hire me
18:27 celeron55 not that i'd have asked, but they have plenty of developers in house already, if anything
18:27 coagen celeron55: they surely have noticed some of the community fleeing mc to go to mt
18:28 iqualfragile yeah, and they have noticed the dev speed of minetest :)
18:28 celeron55 the fleeing is negligible really
18:28 Calinou ^
18:28 Calinou contrarily to what you think, companies don't care about movements in general
18:29 Calinou iqualfragile, which has been decreasing…
18:29 celeron55 it's very minor even compared to MT's userbase
18:29 coagen Calinou: they care about controling movements, for profit.
18:29 celeron55 take a look at google trends for example
18:29 iqualfragile Calinou: yeah, i feel like there is this authority hole, nobody feels like its his department
18:30 coagen hrm, people need a leader sometimes... or think they do :|
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18:31 iqualfragile coagen: or clear policy
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18:33 celeron55 well, for those who want a leader, i'm going to lead buildat for the foreseeable future, because i'm actually making it future-proof unlike minetest
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18:33 celeron55 shameless plug
18:34 sfan5 future-proof?
18:34 shadowzone yeah explain future-proof
18:34 shadowzone I'm confused..
18:34 Krock ^
18:34 Calinou meh
18:34 coagen future-proof is proof that there is a future
18:34 Calinou future proof would use a modern rendering engine, good sound capabilities, network, etc
18:34 shadowzone oh, sounds interesting.
18:34 Calinou at the cost of running fast right now, probably
18:35 Calinou I don't believe in future-proofing much
18:35 coagen or future-proof is a future that is prooved to exist
18:35 celeron55 well it's just from some viewpoints that i personally consider important
18:35 coagen sorry, "future-proof" sounds like marketing, so I couldn't help myself
18:36 sfan5 "Don't worry, Urho3D isn't a distro-packageable library due to its various configuration options."
18:36 sfan5 :D
18:37 Calinou exactly against future-proof
18:37 Calinou as package managers aren't going away anytime soon
18:38 celeron55 you can make fun of me all you want, but i made the base of what you are using now too
18:38 celeron55 8)
18:39 shadowzone I am not gonna make fun of you.
18:39 shadowzone I only pick on oOchainLynxOo
18:40 coagen celeron55: damn right you did, and you deserve our thanks. thank you sir.
18:40 iqualfragile celeron55: yes, especially for that lovely network code :D socket handling looks wonderfull
18:41 iqualfragile </irony> thanks for the work, really, i enjoy this game/engine
18:41 coagen celeron55: I was ecstatic when I found the alpha builds back in 2010, and now 4 years later, its really amazing what has been acomplished
18:42 coagen celeron55: my kids play this, and my friends kids, etc
18:42 celeron55 the MT community is quite amazing considering the premise
18:43 shadowzone My siblings play this, friends and my dad sometimes.
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18:43 Cylus What premise would that be?
18:44 kilbith we'll never grateful enough with c55 for all the dream he gave to us
18:44 coagen celeron55: you know the reason I found it, was because I was looking for any kind of mc clone that was not java based, terasology looked amazing, but I refuse to run java if I can avoid it
18:45 coagen celeron55: I had been trying to teach myself the lwjgl at the time... and block games were all the rage then..
18:46 celeron55 well, minetest is my first ever program to use 3D
18:46 celeron55 at all
18:46 celeron55 ever
18:46 celeron55 it's ridiculous
18:47 coagen celeron55: have you looked at/tried terasology? I really liked the way it looked :|
18:47 sfan5 programmers are usually not good a graphics
18:47 sfan5 and (I think) shaders are kind of complicated
18:47 sfan5 maybe I just read the wrong docs on GLSL
18:48 Cylus Wow, your first 3D program is a massive success then!
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18:48 coagen wow, just found this interesting post: mentions MT, https://www.reddit.com/r/Terasolog​y/comments/2gi0qi/minecraftmojang_​has_been_bought_by_microsoft_sell/
18:49 PILZADAM sfan5, read chapter 1 and 2 of http://arcsynthesis.org/gltut/
18:52 Krock I'm looking for a mod with some simple furnitures, like a wardrobe, chairs and a table. homedecor looks a bit heavy for that
18:52 Krock *only for that
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18:53 yummy_ginger Krock, homedecore heavy???? no way !! its only like 20 pages in unified_inventory
18:53 Krock yeah. only.
18:53 Krock got 3 pages yet
18:53 VanessaE 20 pages, hah
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18:54 kilbith 4 pages actually
18:54 yummy_ginger i have tried to get mrs VanessaE to do a lite ver but well ....... why not??
18:54 * yummy_ginger pokes VanessaE
18:55 * pENGUINdAD meows at IQUALFRAGILE
18:55 shadowzone What is it with the all caps nicknames?
18:55 IQUALFRAGILE INTERNATIONAL CAPSLOCK DAY
18:55 VanessaE oh G*d no.
18:55 VanessaE not that
18:55 SHADOWZONE what?
18:56 IQUALFRAGILE VANESSAE: JUST A FEW MORE HOURS
18:56 * VanessaE ripped the caps-lock key off her keyboard ages ago
18:56 gravgun Caps Lock: the key that should not exist
18:56 IQUALFRAGILE MY KEYBOARD LAYOUT DOES NOT EVEN HAVE CAPSLOCK
18:56 SHADOWZONE VANESSAE THAT'S SAD
18:56 IQUALFRAGILE WELL, IT DOES, BUT IT USES THE CAPSLOCK KEY TO SWITH TO LAYER… 3 I THINK
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18:57 pENGUINdAD vANESSAe: i'M ONLY INVERTED CASE :p
18:58 KROCK weee
18:58 IQUALFRAGILE pENGUINdAD: WELL, SOME KEYBOARD LAYOUTS DO THAT
18:58 KROCK I MEAN 'WEEEE'
18:58 IQUALFRAGILE KROCK: BETTER!
18:58 pENGUINdAD iqualfragile: i DIDN'T KNOW THAT
18:58 KROCK ^^
18:59 IQUALFRAGILE WELL, MINE DOES
18:59 KROCK /\ /\
19:03 rubenwardy Hi all!
19:03 pENGUINdAD hI RUBENWARDY!
19:03 rubenwardy http://rubenwardy.github.io/
19:04 IQUALFRAGILE HELLO RUBENWARDY!
19:05 rubenwardy WHAT'S WITH ALL THE SHOUTING?
19:05 IQUALFRAGILE ITS CAPSLOCK DAY
19:05 pENGUINdAD iNTERNATIONAL CAPSLOCK DAY
19:05 IQUALFRAGILE YES! INTERNATIONAL!
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19:06 IQUALFRAGILE GOOD! ACTIVITY!
19:06 GRAVGUN OKAY I WANNA BE PART OF THE PARTY
19:06 coagen SRSLY
19:06 IQUALFRAGILE GRAVGUN: WELCOME TO THE PARTY
19:06 coagen i HAD NO
19:06 GRAVGUN YAY
19:06 coagen IDEA
19:06 IQUALFRAGILE TAKE SOME LEMONS!
19:06 coagen https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caps_lock
19:06 GRAVGUN BTW I USE SHIFT NOT CAPS LOCK
19:07 GRAVGUN SO ITS JUST CAPS DAY
19:07 Cylus i'LL BRING THE CHIPS AND SALSA.
19:08 pENGUINdAD i'LL BRING THE MOUNTAIN DEW :p
19:08 GRAVGUN i'LL BRING BUCKETS OF CAPS LOCK KEYS
19:09 * pENGUINdAD HUGS Cylus FOR BEING INVERTED CASE
19:09 sfan5 WUB WUB WUB
19:09 IQUALFRAGILE RUBENWARDY HAS TOO SMALL EARS
19:10 sfan5 I HAVE EARS, PET ME!
19:10 GRAVGUN KEEP MERGIN' SFAN5
19:10 GRAVGUN WE HAVE TO SHOUT
19:10 GRAVGUN YER EARS MIGHT BLOW
19:10 cYLUS pENGUINdAD: i'M USING CAPS LOCK. oN lINUX AND wINDOS, THAT INVERTS THE CASE. nOT ON A mAC THOUGH.
19:10 * pENGUINdAD ROFLS
19:10 * gloop PETS SFAN%
19:11 pENGUINdAD sfan5: https://github.com/minetest/minetest/commi​t/fd5eaae2babb322f8a3e2acab55a12e218814c8e has indentation issues
19:12 sfan5 pENGUINdAD: you could have said that before the merge
19:12 GRAVGUN OH WAIT
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19:13 GRAVGUN MINETEST DOC IS IN TROFF
19:13 GRAVGUN WHO USES TROFF TODAY
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19:13 pENGUINdAD GRAVGUN: MAN PAGES i THINK
19:13 cYLUS wHAT IS "TROFF"?
19:13 GRAVGUN A MANUAL PAGE FORMAT
19:13 Calinou <sfan5> programmers are usually not good a graphics
19:13 Calinou artists don't code shaders usually
19:13 GRAVGUN "GOOD A GRAPHICS"
19:14 GRAVGUN ENGLISH
19:14 Calinou hi rub
19:14 Calinou oops, he is gone
19:14 Calinou I was looking at the log
19:14 Calinou <coagen> IDEA
19:14 Calinou IntelliJ.
19:15 pENGUINdAD iNTERESTING idea :d
19:15 cYLUS i NEVER COULD GET iNTELIj SET UP WHEN i TRIED. iT KEPT HAVING jAVA ERRORS.
19:15 pENGUINdAD ALSO WTF IS GOING ON WITH sOUNDcLOUD?
19:15 GRAVGUN cYLUS: SAME
19:16 sfan5 pENGUINdAD: do you even status.soundcloud.com
19:16 sfan5 Calinou: thats not what i said
19:16 MinetestBot [git] maciej.kasatkin@o2.pl -> minetest/minetest: Fix broken plantlike drawtype. 7e34621 http://git.io/wD1X5Q (2014-10-22T21:15:31+02:00)
19:16 GRAVGUN cYLUS: THIS IDE WONT LET ME USE OPENJDK
19:16 GRAVGUN WOO FINALLY
19:16 cYLUS sOUNDcLOUD IS A PAIN FOR ME ALL THE TIME, SO i PRETTY MUCH STAY AWAY FROM THAT PLACE.
19:16 pENGUINdAD sfan5: nothing important there it seems :/
19:17 IQUALFRAGILE cYLUS: YOUTUBE-DL FTW!
19:17 cYLUS GRAVGUN: iNTELIj WON'T?
19:17 GRAVGUN cYLUS: I TRIED IT COMPLAINED EVERYTIME
19:17 IQUALFRAGILE ALSO: DELETE FLASHPLAYER11.EXE
19:17 cYLUS GRAVGUN: mAYBE THAT'S WHY i CAN'T MAKE IT WORK THEN. i'M USING oPENjdk.
19:18 cYLUS i FINALLY GOT eCLIPSE TO WORK THOUGH, SO i DON'T NEED iNTELIj ANY MORE.
19:18 IQUALFRAGILE WHAT DO YOU NEED JAVA FOR?
19:18 GRAVGUN cYLUS: ITS FOR ORACLE (IE B*TCHES) LOVERS ONLY
19:18 GRAVGUN IQUALFRAGILE: ANDROID MAYBE
19:19 pENGUINdAD pRAISE tHE oRACLE :p
19:19 cYLUS GRAVGUN: uGH, iNTERNET eXPLORER. tHE BANE OF wEB DEVELOPERS EVERYWHERE.
19:19 Jordach da rage is reel
19:19 cYLUS IQUALFRAGILE: i'M TRYING TO GET STARTED IN aNDROID DEVELOPMENT.
19:19 IQUALFRAGILE DON'T ITS NOT FREE!
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19:19 GRAVGUN cYLUS: NO NOT IE INTERNET EXPLHORROR, I MEANT I.E. AS IN "ID EST"
19:20 cYLUS IQUALFRAGILE: cORRECTION: rEPLICANT DEVELOPMENT.
19:20 IQUALFRAGILE GOOD
19:20 GRAVGUN IQUALFRAGILE: APACHE LICENSE MAKES ME SAD
19:20 GRAVGUN TOO PERMISSIVE FOR PPL TO MAKE EVERYTHING CLOSED
19:20 cYLUS IQUALFRAGILE: mOST PEOPLE DON'T KNOW WHAT i MEAN WHEN i SAY "rEPLICANT THOUGH".
19:20 pENGUINdAD GRAVGUN: aPACHES USE LICENCES?
19:21 cYLUS GRAVGUN: wHAT IS "ID EST"?
19:21 cYLUS *"rEPLICANT" THOUGH
19:21 GRAVGUN pENGUINdAD: NO, ANDROID USES THE "APACHE LICENSE". GOOGLE IT
19:21 pENGUINdAD GRAVGUN: i KNOW THAT
19:22 GRAVGUN cYLUS: "ID EST" IS LATIN, WRITTEN SHORTHAND IN ENGLISH AS "I.E." WHICH MEANS "THAT IS"
19:22 cYLUS tHE aNDROID BASE DOES, BUT aNDROID TYPICALLY COMES BLOATED WITH PROPRIETARY gOOGLE JUNK AS WELL.
19:22 cYLUS GRAVGUN: aH, GOT IT.
19:22 GRAVGUN cYLUS: NOT ONLY GOOGLE JUNK
19:22 cYLUS aLSO CARRIER JUNK.
19:22 GRAVGUN ALSO FREQUENTLY WITH POWERVR CRAPPY DRIVERS
19:22 cYLUS aND oem JUNK.
19:22 GRAVGUN AND YE
19:22 GRAVGUN CARRIER
19:23 GRAVGUN SADLY THE ONLY OPEN BASEBAND DRIVER IS oSMOCOMbb
19:23 GRAVGUN WHICH SUPPORTS SOME OLD PHONES
19:23 GRAVGUN DATS ALL
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19:24 GRAVGUN SO I THOUGHT I MIGHT GIVE A SHOT AT jOLLA PHONES AND os
19:24 GRAVGUN BUT PHONE COSTS WAY TOO MUCH FOR WHAT IT IS
19:24 Calinou <cYLUS> GRAVGUN: uGH, iNTERNET eXPLORER. tHE BANE OF wEB DEVELOPERS EVERYWHERE.
19:24 Calinou IE10 and IE11 aren't that bad
19:24 Calinou support-wise
19:24 GRAVGUN YES THEY ARE
19:24 Calinou same goes for Java performance
19:24 GRAVGUN STILL NO FULL CSS3D SUPPORT
19:24 Calinou (try not to Javhate)
19:25 GRAVGUN i HAVE NO HATE FOR JAVA
19:25 cYLUS Calinou: i HEAR VERSION TEN *finally* SUPPORTS BASIC xhtml RENDERING.
19:25 GRAVGUN JUST TOWARD oRACLE
19:26 pENGUINdAD hOW CAN ONE HATE THE oRACLE? :(
19:26 ShadowNinja BTW, you can participate in CapsLock day with lowercase letters, just hold shift a lot.  :-P
19:27 GRAVGUN ShadowNinja: it's disturbing to type with shift reversed
19:27 GRAVGUN WAIT A SEC ILL SET MY META KEY TO BE A SHIFT TOGGLE
19:27 ShadowNinja kilbith: Your ladder texture seems to have vertical lines on the rungs now.  Can you break those up?
19:28 kilbith ShadowNinja: i'll add more noise on them later
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19:28 GRAVGUN BTW DEVS, IS NODEMESHES ANIMATION PLANNED?
19:29 pENGUINdAD GRAVGUN: RealBadAngel WILL BE WORKING ON IT SOON
19:29 GRAVGUN COOL
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19:29 GRAVGUN BUT FOR NOW HE HAS SOME MEMORY LEAKS TO FIX ISNT IT?
19:29 pENGUINdAD bUT DON'T TELL ME THAT i SHOULD DEFINE SOON :p
19:30 GRAVGUN SPOOOOOOON
19:30 kilbith ShadowNinja: these vertical "lines" are so shocking ?
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19:30 pENGUINdAD afaik THEY'RE ALREADY FIXED
19:30 ShadowNinja kilbith: They're very noticable to me.
19:31 shadowzone when is caps day done?
19:31 kilbith ShadowNinja: compared to the current ladder, it's quite minor...
19:32 IQUALFRAGILE SHADOWZONE: GERMANY IS OUT OF IT IN ABOUT 2:30
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19:32 pENGUINdAD shadowzone: IN ABOUT 2 HOURS AND 30 MINUTES IN MY TIMEZONE
19:32 shadowzone \o/
19:32 GRAVGUN SAME FOR ME
19:32 shadowzone and
19:32 GRAVGUN IN 2:30
19:32 asl left #minetest
19:33 IQUALFRAGILE GRAVGUN: WHERE YOU FROM?
19:33 GRAVGUN IQUALFRAGILE: FRANCE
19:33 IQUALFRAGILE GRAVGUN: OH DEAR GOD
19:33 GRAVGUN IQUALFRAGILE: FRANCE
19:33 GRAVGUN OOPS
19:33 IQUALFRAGILE YES, READ THAT
19:34 GRAVGUN UP-ENTER DOES NOT PLAY GOOD
19:34 IQUALFRAGILE WAS STUPID OF ME TO ASK
19:34 GRAVGUN SO WHAT "DEAR GOD"
19:34 GRAVGUN YOU COULD WHOIS ME
19:34 pENGUINdAD IQUALFRAGILE: OH MON DIEU :p
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19:34 IQUALFRAGILE YOU ARE IN THE -FR CHANNEL SO SHOULD NOT HAVE ASKED
19:34 ShadowNinja kilbith: Actually the current ladder looks (a litte bit) better in that respect.
19:34 IQUALFRAGILE WB SHADOWZONE
19:34 pENGUINdAD IQUALFRAGILE: GET IN MY VAN! Xd
19:35 ShadowNinja kilbith: The 6th and 7th columns have the most noticable line.
19:35 ShadowNinja (pixel columns)
19:35 ShadowNinja 8th and 9th are next.
19:35 IQUALFRAGILE pENGUINdAD: NO, SHADOWZONE HAS TO GET INTO THE VAN
19:35 GRAVGUN IQUALFRAGILE: WHERE IS THE VAN?
19:36 IQUALFRAGILE ITS IN BY GARAGE
19:36 shadowzone I ain't gettin' in no van.
19:36 shadowzone without grabbing some beer
19:36 shadowzone XD
19:36 GRAVGUN FREE AS IN FREE BEER WHATSMORE
19:36 GRAVGUN OH ALSO, IS SOME KIND OF CONNECTED TEXTURES SUPPORT PLANNED?
19:37 kilbith ShadowNinja: each pixel have a // color, i don't really understand :/
19:37 ShadowNinja ~topic add cAPSlOCK DAY!
19:37 Topic for #minetest is now Latest stable version is 0.4.10 | Please be patient, responses may take a while | Rules: http://wiki.minetest.net/IRC#Rules | Development: #minetest-dev | Server list: http://minetest.net/servers | Logs: http://irc.minetest.ru/minetest/ | Use https://mediacru.sh for images and http://pastie.org for text | cAPSlOCK DAY!
19:37 GRAVGUN HUHU OFFICIAL cAPSlOCK DAY ANNOUNCEMENT
19:37 ShadowNinja kilbith: One moment...
19:38 shadowzone lol
19:38 IQUALFRAGILE sHADOWZONE: THERE WILL BE BEER IN THE VAN
19:38 sHADOWZONE Good
19:39 sHADOWZONE tHERE BETTER BE
19:39 IQUALFRAGILE BUT YOU WON'T GET ANY
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19:39 cYLUS ShadowNinja: cAN ShadowBot ALSO REMOVE TOPICS, OR ONLY APPEND THEM?
19:39 GRAVGUN IQUALFRAGILE, WILL I GET SOME?
19:39 IQUALFRAGILE GRAVGUN: DEPENDS ON AGE
19:40 IQUALFRAGILE http://weknowmemes.com/2012/03/welcome-to-4chan/
19:40 GRAVGUN IQUALFRAGILE: AH DARN, GETTING 18 ON JANUARY
19:40 ShadowNinja cYLUS: ,,(list topic)
19:40 ShadowBot ShadowNinja: add, change, default, fit, get, insert, list, lock, redo, remove, reorder, replace, restore, save, separator, set, shuffle, swap, topic, undo, and unlock
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19:40 IQUALFRAGILE GRAVGUN: DOES NOT MATTER, VAN IS IN GERMANY
19:40 IQUALFRAGILE 16 --> BEER TIME!
19:40 cYLUS ShadowNinja: nICE!
19:40 sHADOWZONE yAY
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19:41 GRAVGUN IQUALFRAGILE: OH I FORGOT GERMANS ARE BEER DRINKERS
19:41 cYLUS i HOPE THE BEER ISN'T MANDITORY. iT WILL BE 16 IN THREE HOURS, BUT i'M NOT A DRINKER.
19:42 IQUALFRAGILE cYLUS: BEER IS NOT MANDATORY
19:42 IQUALFRAGILE YOU CAN ALSO JUST INSTANTLY INGEST THE ETHER
19:42 GRAVGUN IQUALFRAGILE: HOW FUNNY, MY PARENTS TALKED ABOUT GOING IN GERMANY SOME DAY TO SEE WHAT OKTOBERFEST IS LIKE RECENTLY
19:42 IQUALFRAGILE OKTOBERFEST SUCKS
19:42 ShadowNinja kilbith: I see lines here: http://i.imgur.com/xbv90yp.png
19:42 * ElectronLibre IS WONDERING WHY ALL THESE LETTERS ARE AS BIG AS THEY ARE. That's horrible for our eyes...
19:42 cYLUS IQUALFRAGILE: "ETHER"?
19:42 IQUALFRAGILE IM FROM BAVARIA SO YOU CAN TRUST ME ON THAT ONE
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19:43 IQUALFRAGILE ELECTRONLIBRE: LOOK AT THE TOPIC
19:44 kilbith ShadowNinja: ok I see, but you must look very attentively to notice that
19:44 IQUALFRAGILE eLCTRONlIBRE: THATS THE SPIRIT!
19:44 pENGUINdAD IQUALFRAGILE: LAGFEST IS WORSE
19:45 GRAVGUN OH LOOK
19:45 kilbith ShadowNinja: I'll add some contrasted pixels then
19:45 ShadowNinja kilbith: For me it's very obvious, but I guess it depends on the person.
19:45 GRAVGUN PEOPLE ARE SCARED AND LEAVING BECAUSE CAPS
19:46 celeron55 THEY ARE PROBABLY GOING TO A SHOP TO BUY A KEYBOARD WITH A CAPSLOCK TO REPLACE THEIR MISFEATURED ONE
19:46 IQUALFRAGILE cYLUS: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diethyl_ether ETHER!
19:47 GRAVGUN ^o^
19:47 IQUALFRAGILE EXACTLY!
19:47 GRAVGUN BEST MOLECULE ETHER
19:47 sHADOWZONE https://www.daysoftheyear.com/days/caps-lock-day/
19:48 eLCTRONlIBRE I'm ok with changing my nickname but using capslocks is too ugly x).. hO AND YOU KNOW WHAT, iT4S cAPSlOCK DAY, SO I USE cAPSlOCK...
19:49 pENGUINdAD eLCTRONlIBRE: iT ISN'T UGLY!
19:49 eLCTRONlIBRE tO ME IT4S HORRIBLE TO READ X)..
19:49 IQUALFRAGILE INVERTED CASE IS HORRIBLE
19:49 IQUALFRAGILE CAPSLOCK IS QUITE OK
19:50 Calinou capslock is worse than all-smalls for reading
19:50 * eLCTRONlIBRE agrees.
19:50 GRAVGUN Calinou: that's why I'd prefer having an alphabet that does not have caps/smalls variations
19:51 Calinou that's be insane
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19:53 gravgun o.o QUASSEL SEGFAULTED
19:53 GRAVGUN sᴍᴀʟʟᴄᴀᴘs ᴀʀᴇ ғɪɴᴇ ᴛᴏᴏ
19:53 PenguinDad Boss Mode deactivated!
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19:53 OldCoder Caps Lock is Cruise Control for Cool :P
19:53 eLCTRONlIBRE Everything is possible GRAVGUN (except minetest to be bought by Microsoft) x)...
19:54 OldCoder Google will buy MT instead :P
19:54 IQUALFRAGILE OldCoder: THATS MY MAN!
19:54 GRAVGUN eLCTRONlIBRE: HEH 2.5 BILLION IN MY POCKET
19:54 Calinou PenguinDad, pony mode activated!
19:54 OldCoder eLCTRONlIBRE, Everything is possible... except for skiing through a revolving door
19:54 GRAVGUN OldCoder: WAT?
19:54 sHADOWZONE google is gonna buy minetest?
19:54 GRAVGUN sHADOWZONE: PROBABLY NOT
19:55 sHADOWZONE good
19:55 GRAVGUN HOW DOES ONE EVEN BUY AN OPEN SOURCE PROJECT?
19:55 Amaz Go to the owner with a lot of cash?
19:55 IQUALFRAGILE GRAVGUN: YOU FIRST NEED A LOT OF MAGNETS
19:55 DogePony GRAVGUN: I have no idea
19:55 IQUALFRAGILE BIG STRONG MAGNETS
19:55 IQUALFRAGILE THEN YOU HUNT DOWN EVERYBODY THAT HAS A COPY OF THE SOURCE
19:55 GRAVGUN IQUALFRAGILE: HDD HEAD MAGNETS?
19:55 IQUALFRAGILE AND EREASE THEM
19:55 IQUALFRAGILE USING THE MAGNETS
19:55 OldCoder Caps Lock make kittens hiss
19:55 GRAVGUN SSD BITCHES
19:56 GRAVGUN DOESNT EVEN CARE ABOUT MAGNETS :p
19:56 IQUALFRAGILE THEN YOU GIVE EVERYBODY THAT EVER CONTRIBUTED CODE TO THE PROJECT LARGE SUMS OF MONEY TO BUY IT
19:56 OldCoder No, it won't work like that, I'm afraid
19:56 Calinou there'd be always someone refusing
19:56 OldCoder Project is too unstructured. But some things may be possible.
19:56 Calinou see marktraceur and license change in June 2012
19:57 Calinou then you need to rewrite code
19:57 GRAVGUN OldCoder: It won't. (L)GPL already makes us release our work to everybody
19:57 OldCoder Part of my point
19:57 Calinou buildat is permissively licensed 8)
19:57 Calinou (cough cough)
19:57 GRAVGUN oh noes
19:57 GRAVGUN OH NOES
19:57 OldCoder However, additionally structure can be added
19:57 OldCoder * additional
19:57 GRAVGUN While I'm not against permissive licenses
19:57 GRAVGUN I'm not OK with them
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19:58 XACK :D
19:58 Calinou to me, they're problematic (bad choices) on large “end product” projects
19:58 Calinou hi XACK
19:59 IQUALFRAGILE ShadowNinja: WHT IF WRONG WITH YOUR INTERNET CONNECTION?
19:59 IQUALFRAGILE YOU KNOW THAT YOU CAN JUST /NICK SHADOWZONE?
19:59 Calinou XACK, https://mediacru.sh/ac5cdddbbc49
19:59 XACK hi Calinou :D
19:59 Calinou textured sun/moon, selection box
19:59 Calinou roon sun/moon like in Minecraft Beta 1.9pre4
19:59 Calinou (it lasted so short)
20:00 Calinou small moon/sun (realistic-ish sizes for once)
20:04 GRAVGUN ANYBODY HERE ALREADY PLAYED iNFINIMINER?
20:05 VanessaE Calinou: you figured it out eh?
20:05 VanessaE looks good
20:07 DogePony GRAVGUN: I didn't play infiniminer
20:07 VanessaE GRAVGUN: never played it.
20:07 VanessaE or MC for that mattr.
20:07 VanessaE +e
20:08 GRAVGUN DogePony, VanessaE: oh :(  Actually I'm doing a clone in C++
20:08 CraigyDavi joined #minetest
20:08 GRAVGUN Because .NET sucks
20:09 DogePony Clone technology! D:
20:10 GRAVGUN Huh
20:11 GRAVGUN But I'm having problems with my network layer :(
20:15 Calinou water_wave_height = 4.0
20:15 Calinou water_wave_length = 4.0
20:15 Calinou water_wave_speed = 256.0
20:15 Calinou bhahahaha
20:16 Calinou set this, enable shaders and waving water
20:16 Calinou trippy
20:16 Calinou works on lava too
20:16 cYLUS iF i RECALL, iNFINIMINER WAS wiNDOWS-ONLY WHENi TRIED TO TRY IT, SO i DIDN'T END UP GETTING TO PLAY.
20:17 Calinou water_wave_height = 1.0
20:17 Calinou water_wave_length = 8.0
20:17 Calinou water_wave_speed = 16.0
20:17 Calinou good, sane settings
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20:20 eLCTRONlIBRE Calinou, very strange settings for waving water shader x)..
20:20 IQUALFRAGILE ShadowNinja: WHY DID YOU CALL YOURSELF CHICKEN?
20:21 shadowzone Me?
20:21 IQUALFRAGILE OH, SORRY ShadowNinja TABFAIL
20:22 IQUALFRAGILE YES YOU CHILD
20:23 coagen HAY
20:23 DogePony coagen: STRAW
20:23 coagen I CAN HAS COMMAND TO REVIVE PLAERS?
20:23 coagen THEY DED
20:24 VanessaE coagen:  /shutdown   :)
20:24 coagen RESPAWN IMPLACE?
20:24 coagen VanessaE: rm -rf / --no-preserve-root
20:24 VanessaE heh
20:24 coagen :P
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20:25 PennartLoettring yAY FOR CAPSLOCK DAY
20:25 coagen YAY!
20:25 coagen INTERNATIONAL COCKSLAPDAY!
20:26 coagen INTERNATIONAL COCKSLAP DAY!
20:26 coagen err
20:26 coagen INTERNATIONAL CAPSLOCK DAY!
20:26 IQUALFRAGILE coagen: YOU WILL GET THERE
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20:27 * coagen COCK SLAPS IQUALFRAGILE
20:27 coagen YOU FIRST! :d
20:27 IQUALFRAGILE REQUESTING BAN
20:27 coagen :|
20:27 IQUALFRAGILE DIRTY WORDS WERE USED
20:27 IQUALFRAGILE AND NOT BY ME!
20:27 IQUALFRAGILE WHAT AN INSULT
20:28 GRAVGUN PennartLoettring: http://www.reddit.com/user/PennartLoettring is that you?
20:28 PennartLoettring Bingo
20:28 coagen BLAME MY CO-WORKERS, WHEN i TOLD THEM IT WAS CAPSLOCKDAY, THEY SAID THEY THOUGHT THEY HEARD "COCKSLAP DAY"
20:28 GRAVGUN PennartLoettring: JUST SAW YER NAME ON /R/LINUXCIRCLEJERK
20:28 PennartLoettring GRAVGUN: eRMAGHERD
20:28 PennartLoettring GRAVGUN: iLLERMINERTI
20:29 GRAVGUN PennartLoettring: ERCH IS DE BEST
20:29 PennartLoettring GRAVGUN: and yes, I
20:29 PennartLoettring GRAVGUN: and yes, I'm the owner of http://reddit.com/r/Poettrix
20:29 PennartLoettring and http://github.com/PennartLoettring/Poettrix
20:29 GRAVGUN PennartLoettring: OH YEA DAT SUBREDDIT WHERE I UPLENNARTED EVERYTHING
20:29 PennartLoettring and I'm an alt account of Zatherz ;D
20:29 PennartLoettring AKA ThatZatherz
20:30 PennartLoettring GRAVGUN: you gave me an idea
20:30 GRAVGUN PennartLoettring: WHICH?
20:30 IQUALFRAGILE GRAVGUN: ARE YOU WORKING IN THE PORN INDUSTRY?
20:30 PennartLoettring GRAVGUN: I will change the images of the upvote arrows to Lennart's face
20:30 GRAVGUN PennartLoettring: EH NOPE
20:30 PennartLoettring GRAVGUN: AND HIDE THE DOWNVOTE BUTTON
20:30 PennartLoettring GRAVGUN: GOTTA UPVOTE PENNART LOETTRING
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20:30 GRAVGUN PennartLoettring: NO DOWNLENNARTS TO THE LEFT?
20:30 PennartLoettring nO
20:31 GRAVGUN PennartLoettring: ILL USE SYSTEMD-DOWNLENNARTD TO DO IT THEN
20:31 coagen DOWNVOTE ICON SHOULD BE THE Gnu
20:31 PennartLoettring DON'T WORRY
20:31 PennartLoettring SYSTEMD-REDDITD IS IN DEVELOPMENT
20:31 GRAVGUN HOW ADVANCED IS SYSTEMD-INTERNETD?
20:31 coagen DOWNVOTE = https://www.gnu.org/graphi​cs/gerwinski-gnu-head.png
20:31 coagen AMIRITE?
20:32 PennartLoettring IT STARTS 3 SECONDS FASTER
20:32 eLCTRONlIBRE left #minetest
20:32 IQUALFRAGILE GRAVGUN: WTF SHOULD THAT DO?
20:32 cYLUS "aMERITE" SOUNDS LIKE A MINERAL.
20:32 IQUALFRAGILE SYSTEMD ALREADY DOES WHAT INETD DID
20:32 GRAVGUN EG?
20:32 PennartLoettring ALSO SYSTEMD-SEXD IS CUMMING IN THE NEXT RELEASE
20:32 GRAVGUN OH YEEEESSSSS
20:32 GRAVGUN PENNART YOU GOD
20:32 PennartLoettring ALSO
20:33 PennartLoettring SYSTEMD-SHELLD
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20:33 IQUALFRAGILE SYSTEMD SHELDON?
20:33 GRAVGUN BUT WILL YOU MAKE SYSTEMD-CONDOMD NON-OPTIONAL?
20:33 PennartLoettring THE NEW {B,Z,F,K,C,TC}SH KILLER
20:33 PennartLoettring but actually
20:33 PennartLoettring I'm really developing shelld
20:33 GRAVGUN rly?
20:33 PennartLoettring yes
20:33 GRAVGUN What will it do?
20:33 PennartLoettring it will be the worst shell ever
20:33 PennartLoettring where there are no commands
20:33 PennartLoettring only daemons you start
20:34 PennartLoettring "systemctl start echod $(systemctl start textd "HAI WURLD")"
20:34 PennartLoettring IT WILL BE
20:34 PennartLoettring THE STANDARD SHELL
20:34 PennartLoettring IN DA OS FOR DA REAL MANZ
20:34 coagen THE ONLY SHELL
20:34 GRAVGUN "systemctl start ircd $(systemctl start ircd-sendd "OH HAI")"
20:34 PennartLoettring DA POETTRIX P.0377r1-NG
20:35 GRAVGUN PennartLoettring: but really, systemd is a PITA; I tried to make a small Arch system on my SSD just to see how fast it boots
20:35 GRAVGUN Darn, even xf86-input-evdev depends on systemDick
20:36 coagen GRAVGUN: MANJARO+OPENRC FTW YO, GOT IT SET UP ON 2 MACHINES SO FAR, I'M LUVIN IT
20:36 PennartLoettring WUT R U SAYIN PLEB?
20:36 PennartLoettring ARCH + INITSCRIPTS FOREVAH
20:36 GRAVGUN coagen: WILL LOOK INTO OPENRC SOON
20:36 coagen GRAVGUN: https://forum.manjaro.org/index.php?PHPSESSID​=7jkrovos7pkpg9hmjnis2ccus5&amp;topic=16177.0
20:36 IQUALFRAGILE NO PROBLEM WITH SYSTEMD HERE
20:36 IQUALFRAGILE I LIKE IT
20:36 coagen GRAVGUN: DAOWNLODD ISO NAO!!!
20:36 GRAVGUN PennartLoettring: WHAT DO YOU THINK I WROTE AS INIT?
20:36 IQUALFRAGILE IT DOES WHAT I WANT IT TO DO
20:36 PennartLoettring IQUALFRAGILE: I LIKE IT TOO
20:37 PennartLoettring BUT THAT DOESN'T MATTER
20:37 PennartLoettring I'M PENNART LOETTRING
20:37 PennartLoettring I KNOW BETTA
20:37 IQUALFRAGILE GOTTA HATE LENNART?
20:37 PennartLoettring *BETTAH
20:37 PennartLoettring btw
20:37 PennartLoettring you can actually get initscripts on Arch back
20:37 GRAVGUN FUCK DAT ILL CREATE MY OWN lfs SYSTEM
20:37 coagen PENNART IS THE ONE, LIKE NEO IN THE MATRIX
20:37 coagen HE CAN SEE THE CODE
20:37 PennartLoettring "initscripts-fork", an up-to-date initscripts fork
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20:37 coagen SHOW US THE WAY
20:37 GRAVGUN NEO TEH MARTIX HAZ U
20:37 IQUALFRAGILE OR YOU COULD JUST INIT=/USR/BIN/EMACS
20:38 PennartLoettring U PLEB
20:38 coagen SHOW US THE WAY TO ZION PENNART
20:38 GRAVGUN EMACS IS A MORE COMPLETE ENVIRONMENT THAN KDE SO THATS FINE
20:38 PennartLoettring I SYMLINK THE LINUX KERNEL TO EMACS PLEB
20:38 coagen <Sinc> I saved people time <Sinc> and symlinked everything to
20:38 PennartLoettring U KNO NOTHIN
20:38 coagen systemctl poweroff <Sinc> Because if they're using systemd, life is already
20:39 coagen forfeit
20:39 PennartLoettring would be better as:
20:39 PennartLoettring <Sinc> I saved people time
20:39 PennartLoettring <Sinc> and symlinked everything to systemctl poweroff
20:39 PennartLoettring <Sinc> Because if they're using systemd, life is already forfeit
20:39 coagen THX, SRRY FORFATTING
20:39 GRAVGUN SYSTEMD-POWEROFFD
20:40 PennartLoettring SYSTEMD-SYSTEMDD
20:40 PennartLoettring WANT *MORE* CONTROL OVER SYSTEMD?
20:40 PennartLoettring NO PROBLEM!
20:40 PennartLoettring JUST GET THE FRESH SYSTEM DAEMON DAEMON FOR THE SYSTEM DAEMON
20:40 IQUALFRAGILE PennartLoettring: I NEED SYSTEMD-MINETESTD
20:40 GRAVGUN IQUALFRAGILE: DONT WORRY ILL WRITE IT
20:41 IQUALFRAGILE GRAVGUN: HAVE FUN SUPPORTING SOCKET ACTIVATION :d
20:41 GRAVGUN lol
20:41 GRAVGUN Who needs sockets when you have named pipes?
20:41 GRAVGUN (pipes perf is actually > sockets perf)
20:42 PennartLoettring FSCK U PLEB WITH YOUR WINDOZE NAMED PIPE SHIT
20:42 PennartLoettring REAL MEN USE FIFOs
20:42 GRAVGUN AND WHAT ARE PIPES?
20:42 PennartLoettring ON A MULTICS MACHINE
20:42 GRAVGUN FIFOs
20:42 PennartLoettring I MEAN THE NAME
20:42 PennartLoettring FSCK YOUR NAMED PIPE MICROSOFT BULLSHIT
20:42 PennartLoettring REAL MEN CALL IT FIFOs
20:42 GRAVGUN OKAY OKAY
20:43 GRAVGUN ILL CALL THEM /VAR/RUN PIPES
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20:43 PennartLoettring lol
20:43 PennartLoettring WHAT LANGUAGE IS DAT SHIT?
20:43 GRAVGUN LUA
20:43 PennartLoettring JAVASHIT?
20:43 PennartLoettring LUASHIT?
20:44 GRAVGUN PENNART, PREFER WHAT
20:44 coagen PennartLoettring: cAN PIPE DA OUTPUT OF SVCHOST.EXE TO SYSTEMD-LOGIND?
20:44 PennartLoettring GRAVGUN: BRAINFUCK
20:44 PennartLoettring coagen: FSCK YOUR .EXE FILEZ
20:44 GRAVGUN PennartLoettring: I HOPE YER HAPPY SYSTEMD IS BECOMING LINUXS SVCHOST
20:44 PennartLoettring GRAVGUN: IF IT'S COMPATIBLR
20:44 PennartLoettring *COMPATIBLE
20:44 PennartLoettring GRAVGUN: SUBMIT AN ISSUE ASAP
20:44 GRAVGUN SYSTEMD: REQUIRES WINELIB NOW
20:45 PennartLoettring GRAVGUN: lol
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20:45 PennartLoettring GRAVGUN: SYSTEMD, CURRENTLY ONLY A WINE PORT
20:45 GRAVGUN SYSTEMD-WINED
20:45 GRAVGUN MANDATORY FOR RUNNING SYSTEMD
20:45 PennartLoettring BUT BUT
20:45 PennartLoettring YOU NEED SYSTEMD TO BE ALREADY RUNNING
20:46 PennartLoettring YOU NEED SYSTEMD FOR SYSTEMD-WINED
20:46 PennartLoettring AND SYSTEMD-WINED FOR SYSTEMD
20:46 PennartLoettring FSCK YOUR CIRCULAR DEPENDENCIES, FIX YOUR FSCKING CODE DAMMIT
20:46 GRAVGUN TELL DAT TO POETETTETETTERETERING
20:46 PennartLoettring POETETHERING LOLS
20:46 PennartLoettring DAE USE GENTAH?
20:47 GRAVGUN > NO RESPONSE
20:47 coagen GENTOO IS FER DA BEARDS
20:47 GRAVGUN ASSUME DEFAULT YES
20:47 coagen rm -rf / --no-preseve-root; install gentoo
20:48 GRAVGUN --no-preserve-root
20:48 GRAVGUN YOU FUCKING GNU UTILS USER
20:48 GRAVGUN NONSTANDARD ARG
20:48 GRAVGUN I USE LEENUKS NOT GAHNOO/LEENUKS
20:48 PennartLoettring GAHNOO LINIKS DA SHET
20:48 PennartLoettring GAHNOO NOT MED THE SESTYM
20:48 PennartLoettring LINIKS MED THE SESTYM
20:49 PennartLoettring THEN WHO WAS LINIKS?
20:49 PennartLoettring DAE SPY ON TORVALDS?
20:49 GRAVGUN I DO
20:49 PennartLoettring *TORVELDZ
20:49 GRAVGUN I HAZ IDEA
20:49 GRAVGUN TAKE STALLLLLLLLLLLOLOLOLOLOLMANS KATANA
20:49 PennartLoettring DAE WANT TO REMOVE DA DISTRO TORVELDZ USEZ AND INSTELL GENTAH?
20:49 GRAVGUN YOU KNOW THE ONE UNDER HIS BED
20:50 GRAVGUN CUT HIZ HEAD AND LENNARTS
20:50 PennartLoettring GRAVGUN: I GED DA REFERENSE
20:50 GRAVGUN THE  GENTOO
20:50 GRAVGUN IS DA GOD
20:50 PennartLoettring GRAVGUN: BUT
20:50 GRAVGUN NO ONE SHALL STOP IT
20:50 PennartLoettring GRAVGUN: TORVELDS HAZ DA NUNCHACO
20:50 GRAVGUN OH NUES
20:50 PennartLoettring HE HAZ THE NOUN TACO
20:51 PennartLoettring GRAVGUN: YOU NEED TO KNOW A SECRETZ
20:51 GRAVGUN PennartLoettring: WHICH
20:51 PennartLoettring GRAVGUN: DA POETTRIX BEST OS IN DA WURLD
20:51 PennartLoettring GRAVGUN: WILL HAVE ANTIPLEB PREINSTOLLED
20:52 GRAVGUN PennartLoettring: DL LINK OR IT DIDNT HAPPEN
20:52 PennartLoettring GRAVGUN: IT WILL BLOCK PLEB SITES
20:52 Calinou https://cdn.mediacru.sh/ZFCbsLeM6bYt.jpg
20:52 PennartLoettring GRAVGUN: LIEK MICROSOFT.COM
20:52 PennartLoettring GRAVGUN: OR LINUXFOUNDATION.COM
20:52 GRAVGUN Calinou: :3
20:52 coagen Feb 14 18:21:51 <kerio> how expensive is a hitman?
20:52 coagen Feb 14 18:22:03 <kerio> we can pool some bitcoins
20:52 coagen Feb 14 18:26:42 <Pali> cut his hands, so he will not be able to write any new line of code
20:52 coagen https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8417176
20:53 PennartLoettring Calinou: HEY DOOD
20:53 PennartLoettring Calinou: YER MINETEST IZ DIRTY
20:53 coagen STALLLLLLLLLLLOLOLOLOLOLMANS KATANA CHOP HANS?
20:53 PennartLoettring Calinou: MINETEST 0.4.10-165-G7FC6E9B-DIRTY
20:53 GRAVGUN PennartLoettring: STOP USING TERVELDS GIT CODESHIT SYNC SYSTEM
20:54 PennartLoettring YOU R DA REAL MVP
20:54 IQUALFRAGILE WRITE SYSTEMD-CODESINKD
20:55 PennartLoettring I can haz interject 4 1 moment. Wat u r reffering to az teh Liniks iz in fact teh gnew/liniks or az i'm taking to calling it recently, teh GNEH plus teh LINICS. Teh LINICS iz not an oprated system unto itself but rather a kurnel dat iz in ur ful GNEH system, makin it usefulll. It can haz GNAH corez, shellz and ALL teh POSIX definisions skillz an utilz! Ur compy users run teh modified GNAH system all dais but not realize becuz
20:55 PennartLoettring reasons! Teh GNUH iz called teh LINECS becuz ur users iz dumb! Teh LINECS iz realz and teh users iz using it, but it iz lik teh LENEKS made u an GNEH operated system, but it eated it! Teh LUNIKS is teh kernal, teh program that allocted ur systems resource so ur programs can haz cheezburgarz n stallmans n lolcats. Teh operated system needz teh megic kernal, but teh kernal iz no us by itself. Teh LINECKS iz normally usless
20:55 PennartLoettring except with teh GNEUH! All teh LINECKS DEESTROS is teh LINECKS wif teh GNUAH added or teh GNEH/LINECKS DEESTREBOTIUNS.
20:55 GRAVGUN SO YOU ARE /R/LINUXCIRCLEJERK'S MALWARE
20:55 PennartLoettring MELWERE?
20:55 PennartLoettring FSCK OF WINDOZE PLEB
20:55 PennartLoettring LINIKS KNOWZ NO MELWERE
20:56 GRAVGUN I WROTE YOU
20:56 GRAVGUN I AM THE MALWARE WRITA
20:56 GRAVGUN YOU ARE THE MALWARE
20:56 GRAVGUN YOU ACTUALLY RUN ON WINDOWS
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20:57 PennartLoettring NAH, I RUN POETTRIX GNEME 3 SYSTEMD GTK 3 DESKTEP
20:57 GRAVGUN INSIDE A SOMEHOW PORTED SYSTEMD-CHROOTNGD
20:57 GRAVGUN SO YOU DONT KNOW
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20:58 sfan5 o.O
20:58 sfan5 !op
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20:58 sfan5 !deop
20:59 GRAVGUN Okay :(
20:59 PennartLoettring nO CAPSLOCK DAY?
20:59 PennartLoettring :(
20:59 Calinou https://forum.minetest.net/viewto​pic.php?f=47&amp;t=10404#p159486
20:59 Calinou (-:
20:59 Calinou step height stuff
20:59 Calinou I might add this to source code tweaks topic
20:59 Yepoleb is the linux circlejerk already over?
21:00 gravgun Yepoleb: did you have fun?
21:00 Yepoleb i joined too late :(
21:00 PennartLoettring Calinou: Gr8 b8, m8. I rel8, str8 appreci8, and congratul8. I r8 this b8 an 8/8. Plz no h8, I'm str8 ir8. Cr8 more, can't w8. We should convers8, I won't ber8, my number is 8888888, ask for N8. No calls l8 or out of st8. If on a d8, ask K8 to loc8. Even with a full pl8, I always have time to communic8 so don't hesit8.
21:00 Yepoleb why did nobody notify me?
21:00 sfan5 PennartLoettring: could you stop please?
21:01 Yepoleb does systemd support push notifications?
21:01 PennartLoettring No one tells Pennart Loettring he should stop!
21:01 PennartLoettring Because he has the powers to stop your systemd!
21:01 sfan5 can you move the off-topic to #defocus?
21:01 gravgun PennartLoettring: go to ##SYSTEMD-ARGUED
21:02 coagen plz continue any Linucks/systemD discussion in #debianfork or #poetterix
21:03 PennartLoettring *#poettrix
21:03 PennartLoettring #poettrix
21:03 coagen srry, thx
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21:05 coagen sfan5: srry, I invited Pennart, and as you can see, we had our fun, plz return to meow
21:05 gravgun I feel sorry for the log bot
21:07 sfan5 coagen: next time I won't just friendly remind you of <rule right above the last one>
21:07 coagen sfan5: i never read rules. so whatever :P
21:08 gravgun coagen: same
21:10 * coagen pets sfan5
21:11 coagen Soft Kitty, Warm Kitty, little ball of fur. Happy Kitty, Sleepy Kitty, purr, purr, purr
21:12 gravgun coagen: Isn't sfan5 a squid girl?
21:13 coagen gravgun: ask, I'm not responsible for sfan5's identity :P
21:14 coagen gravgun: all I know is sfan5 is usually friendly to me, meows, and purrs, etc
21:14 gravgun coagen: at least his (her?) avatar suggests so
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21:15 coagen gravgun: however yesterday I invited folks to #debianfork and sfan5 confess their like of SystemD
21:15 coagen i've felt neglected ever since
21:16 coagen drama amirite?
21:16 gravgun coagen: i do actually like systemd for its relative ease of use, but as a developer I think it is... extremely bothersome
21:16 gravgun coagen: that's what I hate it
21:20 coagen gravgun: I find it painful to interact with, and grow weary of its mission creep
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21:20 gravgun coagen: talk about it in #poettrix plz, I don't wanna spam #minetest anymore
21:21 coagen gravgun: replacing 30 years of tested code with new code over 25 times greater in an evergrowing codebase... seems illogical
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21:32 IQUALFRAGILE GOOD NIGHT
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21:58 Argyle77 Does anyone have the forum link for the glow mod?
21:58 VanessaE glow mod?
21:59 Argyle77 Its got glow shrooms and fireflies.
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21:59 VanessaE https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=4939  this?
21:59 VanessaE oh
21:59 VanessaE https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=6300
21:59 VanessaE this?
22:00 Argyle77 That's it. Thanks!  I don't know why the search wouldn't give it to me.
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22:01 coagen anyone made a flashlight, torch/lantern? that you can carry?
22:02 VanessaE coagen: "walking light"
22:02 VanessaE but such mods are glitchy
22:02 VanessaE example:  https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=36928
22:03 coagen VanessaE: glitchy as in: doesnt work or as in: craps on performance
22:03 coagen or both?!
22:03 VanessaE performance
22:03 VanessaE because they have to add/remove a transparent light-emitting node every time you move
22:04 coagen hrm
22:04 VanessaE and every time a node is added/removed from the world, the mapblock it's in has to be updated.  this causes a brief mesh regen event, which if your machine is slow will cause a tiny FPS drop
22:04 VanessaE everyone around you that's within view will experience the same lag
22:04 VanessaE and yes, they're laggy too
22:05 VanessaE because it's all server-side
22:05 VanessaE such a mod properly requires client-side code but such does not exist
22:06 coagen hrm
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22:06 coagen VanessaE: thx
22:09 VanessaE one proposal that was made was client-side, and done entirely with shaders
22:09 VanessaE it would be fast, lag-free, abd high-fps
22:09 VanessaE and*
22:09 * coagen is listening
22:09 VanessaE but it would offer a gameplay advantage to those who have decent hardware
22:09 VanessaE so anyone with crappy machines wouldn't be able to use it
22:10 coagen yeah, i'm crying so many tears for them
22:10 coagen :|
22:10 VanessaE heh
22:10 coagen i know ur rocking good hardware amirite?
22:10 gravgun A more or less possible solution would be to have a "dynamic light overlay" for each mapblock
22:10 coagen r9 290x?
22:11 VanessaE well I am, but MInetest's more CPU-bound than GPU-bound
22:11 VanessaE yep
22:11 gravgun i.e. mapblock mesh does not update, only lit vertices are updated in another vertex buffer and drawn (additive ?) after mapblock's draw call
22:11 VanessaE gravgun: the problem really is in getting the client to do it at all.  HOW it does it isn't too important then
22:12 coagen VanessaE: thats right, I keepy trying to casually forget that. think there's any hope of it ever gravitating to take more adv of GPU?
22:12 VanessaE gravgun: that's probably what RealBadAngel would do in fact.
22:13 VanessaE coagen: things are already being moved in that direction.
22:14 coagen VanessaE: waht? cool. can you describe in brief the proposed changes? and leaders of the changes?
22:14 VanessaE coagen: most of it comes from RealBadAngel, but what precisely is being done, only he can tell you
22:14 coagen very good
22:14 VanessaE (I don't remember most of it, and what I do remember e.g. hardware lighting, I'm not sure I understand what's being done)
22:15 VanessaE the one thing I DO remember and DO understand that needs fixed is how the client handles texture manipulation operations (e.g. [transform, [combine, and so forth).
22:15 coagen VanessaE: fixed how?
22:15 VanessaE those operations apparently are not being cached at all.
22:15 coagen VanessaE: doesn't seem broke to me (avg joe user)
22:16 VanessaE they appear to be iterated in realtimem causing huge FPS sags when lots of them are being used (e.g. signs_lib)(
22:16 Argyle77 Do you suppose client / shader lighting will enable colored light?
22:16 VanessaE Argyle77: that's being worked on too
22:17 Argyle77 I saw images of a mod that did it and I thought they looked great.
22:17 coagen VanessaE: aww poop :|
22:18 VanessaE gimme a few to find the image
22:21 VanessaE http://i.imgur.com/wHjL1dJ.png
22:24 VanessaE first linked back on Aug. 18
22:24 VanessaE or at least that's what I have in my history
22:24 coagen thats purrty
22:25 VanessaE other mesh-related stuff has to be worked on first though
22:25 VanessaE bugfixes, performance tuning, etc
22:26 VanessaE so says RealBadAngel anyway :)
22:27 Argyle77 Yeah. I'd love to see it work through stained glass too.  I read some of the discussion on it a while ago.  Looked divisive.
22:28 VanessaE I'm sure when it finally goes in, it'll work well :)
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23:17 kaeza greetings
23:22 VanessaE hi
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