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00:16 hisforever I just cleared a piece of land now its dark there is there a wat to gring light back to that pice of land?
00:18 ShadowNinja hisforever: Try //fixlight, //replace air air, or //replace air default:torch followed by //replace default:torch air
00:18 ShadowNinja (Commands are from WorldEdit)
00:18 hisforever ty shadow
00:18 ShadowNinja Also, I should make // escape the forward slash like it does in IRC clients.
00:19 ShadowNinja So "//status" -> "<singleplayer> /statuus"
00:19 hisforever do I have to set the area with a //p set?
00:19 ShadowNinja Also gives me a good specific reason why WorldEdit shouldn't use such an absurdly generic namespace.
00:19 ShadowNinja hisforever: Yes.
00:20 hisforever ok ty
00:20 hisforever brb in a second
00:20 ShadowNinja hisforever: Note: Don't do the torch trick if there are players around.  If they update the torches you'll siddenly have hindreds of item entities.
00:21 ShadowNinja suddenly have hundreds*
00:23 hisforever I'm in singleplayer
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00:38 hisforever Ty shaddow that worked just great :)
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00:49 OldCoder Will moretrees appear if added to an existing world?
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00:53 VanessaE OldCoder: only in new terrain.  you can of course plant the saplings too, they will grow
01:02 OldCoder But must have saplings first, I assume. Thank you.
01:03 OldCoder Any idea anybody where to find the stair_cobble texture?
01:05 VanessaE it should just be the regular cobble texture?
01:06 VanessaE mods/default/textures/default_cobble.png  ?
01:06 OldCoder alias stair_cobble to default:cobble then?
01:06 OldCoder I merged a huge set of maps
01:06 OldCoder Ended up with a lot of unknown stuff
01:06 OldCoder Including rats
01:06 VanessaE ah
01:06 OldCoder I thought Redcrab wasn't supposed to have animals
01:06 VanessaE it might be that whole old-nodes issue
01:07 VanessaE the same thing that caused all those unknown nodes int he initial test
01:07 VanessaE remember what Sokomine  said?
01:08 VanessaE I'm guessing it's the same thing again, just with different nodes
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02:07 exio4 \o hi
02:13 OldCoder exio4 hello4
02:17 Zeno` exio!
02:17 Zeno` OldCoder!
02:17 Zeno` guess that was too much for him
02:21 exio4 zeno!
02:21 exio4 how is it going?
02:21 Zeno` not bad. you?
02:22 exio4 I guess the same
02:22 Zeno` I think I may have the day off coding
02:22 Zeno` Will play games instead heh
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06:25 ThatGraemeGuy anyone familiar with ShadowNinja's areas mod?
06:25 Miner_48er yes
06:26 ThatGraemeGuy if there are items in a normal (not locked) chest, inside a protected area, can a non-owner remove items from such a chest?
06:26 Zeno` yes
06:27 ThatGraemeGuy oh noes :-o
06:27 ThatGraemeGuy someone has been slowly robbing me
06:28 Miner_48er yes
06:28 Miner_48er you could disable that if you wanted
06:30 ThatGraemeGuy as a player? or as an admin?
06:31 ThatGraemeGuy I'm playing on VanessaE's server
06:33 Zeno` I think the easiest way is to make a locked chest and move the stuff
06:33 Zeno` Only sure way anyway
06:33 Zeno` Maybe someone could write an "Add a lock to existing chest" mod
06:39 Miner_48er as the server owner
06:39 Miner_48er use a locked chest
06:40 Miner_48er which server?
06:46 OldCoder Zeno`, Miner_48er here is the current patch:
06:46 OldCoder http://minetest.org/141019-network.txt
06:47 OldCoder Should I attempt to have this accepted upstream?
06:47 OldCoder Without it, Minetest is Lockuptest
06:47 OldCoder x_x <- The game
06:50 Zeno` the usleep() is definately required?
06:50 Zeno` that's the only thing I wonder about the patch :)
06:50 Miner_48er I don't work on the core so I don't know what half of that does
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07:08 OldCoder Zeno`, the usleep can be a sleep_ms
07:08 OldCoder which is provided in the sources
07:09 OldCoder I feel it's a good idea
07:09 OldCoder Try the patch yourself
07:09 OldCoder against latest git
07:09 OldCoder Should observe no degradation of performance
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07:10 Zeno` ok will do
07:11 Zeno` may as well make a pull request though
07:11 Zeno` that way others can provide feedback
07:18 OldCoder Should I make the pull?
07:18 OldCoder You deserve credit for the core of the patch
07:18 OldCoder pull request *
07:18 OldCoder Brief summary of what to do?
07:30 Zeno` You may make it :)
07:30 Zeno` I don't need credit for everything I do, lol. I know I helped so that's enough
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07:35 OldCoder Brief summary of what to do?
07:37 Zeno` Oh, make a branch. Apply patch. Push. Then at git hub "compare and pull request"
07:37 Zeno` You'll have to make a fork of minetest on github first
07:40 Zeno` Sorry for being slow in answering, OldCoder ... am making dinner :)
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07:40 OldCoder Zeno`, dinner does not make you a sinner
07:41 OldCoder Zeno`, do I have permissions needed to create a branch of the main repository?
07:42 Zeno` lol
07:43 Zeno` No, but go to git hub minetest page and "fork this repository"
07:43 Zeno` then when you have shiny new fork, pull that fork and do your changes and branches and stuff in that
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10:51 iqualfragile there should be an anti drug campaing against this dangerous jesus drug https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sye6ouZekIc
10:52 ElectronLibre What? O_o
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11:08 Zeno` hi PilzAdam
11:09 twoelk !up 84.181.207.172 30000
11:10 twoelk hm?
11:12 reactor !up ff:uu:uu:uu:uu:uu:uu
11:13 twoelk !doge
11:13 twoelk :-(
11:14 twoelk is she sulking again?
11:14 ElectronLibre RIP MinetestBot.
11:15 Zeno` Somebody insulted her I think
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11:18 twoelk what was the ShadowBot command for checking connections?
11:18 * kilbith suggests to rename MinetestBot to C-3PO.
11:18 Amaz kilbith, +1000000000000000000000000
11:19 * ElectronLibre gives kilbith a cookie, and +1*10^Inf
11:20 kilbith *miam*
11:23 Zeno` What's with the infinite exponent?
11:23 Zeno` tetration?
11:23 kilbith one day we'll have our animated/intelligent r2d2 & c3po in MT
11:23 kilbith I promise
11:24 Amaz :D
11:25 * Amaz can't wait!
11:25 kilbith and chewbacca
11:25 Amaz :D
11:25 kilbith that 'grroaaww' on punch
11:27 iqualfragile_ !c 3**3
11:28 ElectronLibre MinetestBot is really dead.
11:28 ElectronLibre But that's normal, she isn't even connected..
11:29 Amaz ShadowBot, help
11:29 ShadowBot Amaz: help [<plugin>] [<command>]
11:29 Amaz ShadowBot, help all
11:29 ShadowBot Amaz: Error: There is no command "all".
11:29 Amaz ShadowBot, c 9+9
11:29 ShadowBot Amaz: math calc <math expression>
11:29 Zeno` New BETA client out: https://github.com/Zeno-/min​etest/tree/refactor_the_game
11:30 Zeno` still has lots of work left to do, but it's functional
11:30 Amaz What is it meant to do?
11:37 Zeno` The same as the current client but cleaning up the code is "stage1"
11:37 Zeno` optimising is stage2
11:38 Zeno` still on stage1 but it should be slightly faster (or if not the same) already
11:38 Zeno` and also make the code readable
11:38 Amaz Okay.
11:38 Amaz Will you make a pull request when you've done?
11:38 Zeno` yeah for sure
11:39 Zeno` probably at the end of the week
11:39 Amaz Great!
11:39 Zeno` I need testers though :)
11:39 Amaz Okay, I'll do that in a bit :D
11:41 Zeno` Thanks :) I'll keep updating over the next few days
11:42 Amaz Great! Are there any changes I should expect to see?
11:49 Zeno` I hope not... if you do notice anything different please let me know
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11:49 Zeno` stage1 is just to get it to a stage where things can be more easily optimised
11:49 ElectronLibre She is back! \o/
11:50 ElectronLibre Hello MinetestBot
11:50 MinetestBot Hello ElectronLibre.
11:50 Zeno` That said, it does run faster on my computer
11:50 Zeno` You probably won't notice it though :(
11:50 twoelk hello MinetestBot
11:50 MinetestBot Hi twoelk.
11:51 twoelk hehelongtimnosee
11:51 Zeno` I need to know if: a) it runs slower for anybody; and b) if it does anything unexpected
11:51 sfan5 Zeno`: looks like astyle put spaces somewhere
11:51 twoelk is running faster unexpected?
11:52 twoelk !up 84.181.207.172 30000
11:52 MinetestBot 84.181.207.172:30000 seems to be down
11:52 twoelk :-(
11:52 Amaz runs slower = less fps ?
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11:53 twoelk Amaz: less fps does not include lag
11:53 Zeno` yes, ignore lag
11:53 Amaz Okay.
11:53 Zeno` although that should not be affected at all
11:54 Amaz So, how do I tell if it's slower?
11:54 Zeno` sfan5, yeah it did... I'll worry about that at the end
11:54 Zeno` Amaz, gut feeling I guess
11:54 Zeno` or watch FPS
11:54 Amaz Okay.
11:55 Zeno` or the graphs (the profile info to debug.txt I'll add back tomorrow)
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11:58 jojoa1997 hello
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11:59 ElectronLibre Hello jojoa1997.
11:59 ninnghazad sooo, pull request only from core-devs and buddies or what? 101 open?!
12:00 Zeno` sfan5, and yeah... functions make it faster ;)
12:00 Zeno` (fewer cache misses)
12:02 jojoa1997 D:
12:02 jojoa1997 My teacher is now going over While loops, which I already know, it is so boring
12:03 nyuszika7h jojoa1997: what does this code do:
12:03 nyuszika7h do { print("hello"); } while (false);
12:03 nyuszika7h (that's pseudocode)
12:04 jojoa1997 idk yet
12:04 jojoa1997 All I know is I already taught myself loop and he is teaching it. And his teaching of new code is boring.
12:05 jojoa1997 I need to stop teaching myself stuff before he teaches it XD
12:13 Zeno` do {} while (!printf("hello\n"));
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14:14 MinetestBot [git] kahrl -> minetest/minetest: Fix some indentation in nodedef.cpp 9029a34 http://git.io/mfBkrw (2014-10-20T16:11:38+02:00)
14:14 MinetestBot [git] kahrl -> minetest/minetest: Fix memory leak caused by mesh nodes (and nodeboxes) ae375cc http://git.io/n-s43Q (2014-10-20T16:11:00+02:00)
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14:32 Brains Figured out why technic's uranium dust doesn't sort properly in the chests...  It sorts by name and the names are a bit odd.  (ex 0.0% uranium dust is uranium0_dust, 0.7% is uranium_dust, and 3.5% is uranium35_dust.)
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14:34 * Brains just smacked a copy of unified_inventory's get_desc into the sort_inventory for a first pass.  Renaming the items probably would be a better idea though.
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14:51 * gloop throws kittens around
14:59 * Sokomine catches the kittens and stores them for later usage
15:00 * shadowzone catches a kitten
15:01 shadowzone Thanks, gloop  :P
15:01 * Zeno` makes a kitty sandwich
15:02 shadowzone Alf!   :3
15:02 * PenguinDad catches a kitten and animefies it :P
15:02 * sfan5 meows at gloop
15:02 Zeno` http://img2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb201101​28060130/alf/images/9/92/Cat_sandwich.jpg
15:02 shadowzone sfan5 is like "HEY, I'm right here"
15:02 Zeno` nom nom nom
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15:03 Zeno` I love cats... /me takes all the spare ones
15:04 * n4x pours gas all over the channel and lights it
15:04 * sfan5 cats n4x
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15:04 Zeno` fortunately most gasses are lighter than air and it did not damage
15:04 Zeno` nice visual effects though!
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15:05 * Zeno` looks at Sokomine
15:05 * n4x looks at the C4 on his chest
15:05 n4x Zeno`: sorry, what did you say?
15:05 n4x want a hug?
15:05 * sfan5 tells n4x not to be a mean exio4
15:05 * Zeno` hugs n4x
15:06 n4x sfan5: I am a terrorist exio
15:06 n4x now the NSA is looking at me, isn't it?
15:06 sfan5 n4x: <!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC
15:06 VanessaE eh...
15:06 Zeno` dunno what NASA has to do with cats
15:06 sfan5 n4x: ur mean
15:06 sfan5 n4x: don't be like axew
15:07 n4x don't be like sfan5
15:07 n4x ftfy
15:07 * Zeno` stares blankly at VanessaE
15:07 VanessaE that's a hell of a thing to join into ...
15:07 sfan5 n4x: I'm cat
15:07 n4x a mean cat
15:07 n4x algebraic mean
15:07 OldCoder Ah
15:07 OldCoder as opposed to hostile
15:07 * n4x takes sfan5's first derivative
15:08 OldCoder sfan5, MeowTest has IRC now
15:08 OldCoder Cat slope
15:08 * Zeno` gives OldCoder default:stone
15:08 PenguinDad Oh no where did all the go?
15:08 * OldCoder is confused
15:08 * n4x integrates sfan5 again
15:08 PenguinDad + coefficients
15:08 n4x sfan5+C
15:08 OldCoder cat curve area
15:08 OldCoder cats have slopes and curves
15:08 sfan5 OldCoder: thats good
15:09 Zeno` cats have 9 lives
15:09 sfan5 n4x: sqrt(exio4)
15:09 OldCoder sfan5, added ShadowNinja name restrict mod. Some players will report can't get in. To be discussed.
15:09 n4x sfan5: exio4
15:09 sfan5 I already have the no_guests mod
15:09 n4x sfan5: ex4io4
15:09 OldCoder cats have 9 lives sqrt (9) is three see cats are there for you and me
15:09 Zeno` 3 is a prime number!
15:09 n4x I am a complex exio4
15:10 Zeno` this is something deep
15:10 n4x Zeno`: half life 3 confirmed
15:10 OldCoder sfan5, I know. His mod adds some important checks or you would see no difference.
15:10 OldCoder cats are prime
15:10 Zeno` hahah n4x
15:10 Zeno` I do wish that game would be released though
15:10 n4x also, OldCoder is an illuminati
15:10 Zeno` It's kind of becoming the new duke nukem forever
15:10 OldCoder For example, a fundamental issue in MT names is that they are case sensitive
15:10 OldCoder Zz
15:10 * OldCoder dozes and dreams of roses
15:10 sfan5 Zeno`: 3 is also the number of objects our brain can recognize without counting them
15:11 OldCoder 1, 2, 3, many
15:11 n4x my brain can't recognize more than zero objects without counting
15:11 Zeno` sfan5, speak for yourself! I can recognise only 1
15:11 OldCoder 1 is a ton of fun
15:11 sfan5 1 cat is fun
15:11 OldCoder sfan5, I believe I have the deadly lockup fixed
15:11 n4x sfan5 isn't fun
15:11 sfan5 but I don't have a cat :(
15:11 Zeno` I have a cat in a hat
15:11 OldCoder cat in the hat is all that
15:12 n4x I don't have any pet
15:12 OldCoder sfan5, people the patch ought to use
15:12 OldCoder Else MT is on a short fuse
15:12 OldCoder http://minetest.org/141019-network.txt
15:12 n4x they would die, I don't even remember to cook my own food
15:12 n4x "damn, I am hungry, oh.. I didn't eat"
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15:12 sfan5 n4x: do they even have "pets" in argentina?
15:12 Zeno` most bizarre
15:12 * OldCoder did that with water once
15:12 n4x sfan5: what?
15:13 sfan5 n4x: meow
15:13 sfan5 if (k->resend_count > 4) {
15:13 sfan5 +    peer->forceTimeout();
15:13 sfan5 well thats an easy fix
15:13 n4x sfan5: are you a female or male cat
15:13 n4x inb4 trans
15:13 sfan5 it doesn't fix the actual problem
15:13 sfan5 but it works
15:13 sfan5 n4x: make cat
15:13 sfan5 no
15:13 sfan5 male*
15:14 n4x sfan5: that would suck
15:14 sfan5 2/usr/bin/make4me
15:14 Zeno` what's the actual problem?
15:14 PenguinDad make: *** No rule to make target 'cat'.  Schluss. :(
15:14 sfan5 Zeno`: some bug in connection.cpp
15:14 n4x is schluss a lovely way to say tschüss
15:14 Zeno` right...
15:14 sfan5 n4x: no
15:14 Zeno` and booting them off doesn't solve it?
15:15 sfan5 it means "End(ing)."
15:15 sfan5 OldCoder: setting RESEND_TIMEOUT_MIN to 1.5 doesn't seem a good idea
15:16 sfan5 OldCoder: that any action whose packet is lost takes at least 1.5 to get re-sent
15:16 sfan5 +seconds
15:16 sfan5 +means
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15:18 realtinymonster it turns out that my drivers had no problems what so ever
15:18 realtinymonster but windows update broke them
15:18 sfan5 ew windows
15:18 realtinymonster its funny that I didn't think of that before
15:18 realtinymonster because I used to have to reinstall my other graphics cards drivers about every month because of windows update breaking them
15:18 realtinymonster but not this badly
15:18 realtinymonster sfan5: I wish I could stop using it
15:18 realtinymonster I really do
15:18 sfan5 use linux
15:18 sfan5 case closed.
15:19 Zeno` what's wrong with BSD?
15:19 realtinymonster sfan5: not until Unturned is ported to linux
15:19 realtinymonster Zeno`: nothing
15:19 sfan5 heard of wine?
15:19 n4x wine sucks
15:19 Zeno` yeah, I like to whine
15:19 realtinymonster sfan5: doesn't work properly
15:19 realtinymonster n4x: +1
15:19 sfan5 you sure?
15:19 realtinymonster yep
15:20 realtinymonster tried it
15:20 realtinymonster as well as Audiosurf
15:20 n4x wine is for small things,
15:20 realtinymonster never again
15:20 n4x I would end using a VM if I had to use windows apps
15:20 realtinymonster Audiosurf in WINE killed X every time I tried to start it
15:20 sfan5 realtinymonster: works for me
15:20 n4x Audiosurf works for you?
15:21 sfan5 n4x: a VM is too slow for games
15:21 n4x sfan5: vga passthru
15:21 realtinymonster sfan5: WINE is too slow for games
15:21 n4x problem solved...
15:21 sfan5 realtinymonster: nope
15:21 sfan5 n4x: what?
15:21 sfan5 oh
15:21 sfan5 you mean that
15:21 sfan5 that might work
15:21 n4x VGA passthrough
15:22 n4x I need to use the old GPU I have here for testing this crap
15:23 realtinymonster sfan5: and even if, linux is barely suitable for gaming
15:23 * sfan5 graphically processes n4x in an unit
15:23 n4x linux is good enough
15:23 sfan5 realtinymonster: [citation needed]
15:23 sfan5 BSD is barely suitable for gaming
15:24 realtinymonster sfan5: the reason I say barely suitable is because steam for linux
15:24 sfan5 uh
15:24 sfan5 what?
15:24 n4x realtinymonster: that isn't a problem of linux
15:24 sfan5 steam for linux works perfectly
15:24 n4x but companies making games for a plataform
15:24 n4x also that, at least the games I won
15:24 sfan5 "plataform" now with 125% more platform
15:24 sfan5 ^ n4x
15:24 n4x lol
15:24 realtinymonster lol
15:25 n4x I keep mixing spanish and english
15:25 n4x was reading something in spanish a little ago
15:25 realtinymonster ah
15:26 * realtinymonster is screwed unless microsoft releases updates to fix his graphics card
15:26 sfan5 you still didn't explain why linux is unsuitable for gaming
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15:28 coagen guys and gals, if you're like me you're trying to escape the menace of systemd on linux
15:28 gravgun Linux *is
15:28 gravgun good*
15:28 coagen for this task I recommend: https://forum.manjaro.org/index.php?PHPSESSID​=7jkrovos7pkpg9hmjnis2ccus5&amp;topic=16177.0
15:28 Zeno` oh noes... a systemd debate :D
15:28 sfan5 yay systemd
15:28 gravgun systemd whining thread?
15:28 gravgun Yeaaaa
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15:29 Zeno` anyway, vim is best
15:29 coagen systemd is bad m'kay? and manjaro+open-rc are here to save you
15:29 gravgun emacs! </troll>
15:29 coagen see the iso above
15:29 Zeno` hehehe
15:29 gravgun Actually i'm such a vi noob I use GNU nano
15:29 * sfan5 meows at coagen
15:29 Zeno` nano is ok as well because Mork from Mork and Mindy used it... nanooo nanooo
15:30 coagen there are a couple of tweaks to be made to make X work properly and to add tmpfs to fstab, but other than that I am so happy with manjaro+open-rc! :)
15:30 coagen if you have any questions about it feel free to msg me, I'll shut up about this now :)
15:30 gravgun Wait coagen, you're telling they have no default /tmp?
15:30 gravgun Heretics, they are.
15:31 coagen gravgun: it has been absorbd into the infection
15:31 gravgun Nuuuuuuu
15:31 gravgun systemd-tmpfsd
15:31 gravgun :(
15:31 coagen hi sfan5 :)
15:31 sfan5 hi
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15:34 Brains Man, did I miss a systemd kerfluffle?
15:35 coagen Brains: i'm trying to be nice and not oboxious
15:36 Brains coagen: While I'm not personally a systemd fan, I suspect that 'menace' might be considered a pejorative description...  *chuckle*
15:37 coagen Brains: I used "menace" and "infection", its about as nice as I can get about the subject ;P
15:38 Brains lol, I missed the infection one on the first read.
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15:39 coagen Brains: everytime I hear/read the word systemd, I picture the demons in the old doom games, the bydo in r-type, etc
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15:43 * realtinymonster has no idea what systemd is
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15:45 gravgun coagen: systemd is a virus anyway :P
15:45 Hobodium coagen: is that onyl for systemd or for any daemon?
15:45 coagen realtinymonster: BE AFRAID! VERY AFRAID!
15:45 coagen gravgun: ^5 yo
15:46 realtinymonster coagen: why?
15:46 coagen Hobodium: just systemd
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15:47 Brains realtinymonster: If you don't know, you probably shouldn't really worry about it...  It'll be worked out by the folks in the technical area in question.  (Just like you probably don't worry about python ABIs or kernel subsystems or whatnot.)
15:47 basxto I don’t even know how to suspend without systemd :o
15:47 n4x systemd?
15:48 n4x gravgun \o/ coagen
15:49 n4x some concepts of systemd are nice, the problem is that they have a "not invented here" problem with everything they see :(
15:49 realtinymonster Brains: Ok, I trust you
15:49 Brains realtinymonster: If you don't know me, you probably shouldn't trust me...
15:49 realtinymonster VargaD has hungarian ISP
15:50 PenguinDad Are the people in hungary hungry?
15:51 realtinymonster PenguinDad: yep, :D, i'll never get tired of answering that question
15:51 VargaD very funny PenguinDad
15:52 * realtinymonster is of Hungarian origins
15:52 PenguinDad VargaD: I know that it's a bad pun
15:52 gravgun n4x, coagen: was kidding about systemd = virus. Though I really dislike the fact that it "ate" (and still "eats") other inependent projects, mainly udev. basxto: " echo "mem" > /sys/power/state" "
15:53 PenguinDad It ate basxto?
15:53 gravgun x) no
15:54 realtinymonster OldCoder: PM please
15:54 n4x /sys/power is the best place in /sys, after /sys/class/backlight
15:56 * realtinymonster should leave
15:56 VargaD I'm from Hungary as most people with Hungarian ISP
15:56 realtinymonster VargaD: makes sense
15:57 gravgun n4x: so true. Sysfs rocks in general
15:59 * realtinymonster realizes that he forgot to include wget in CCP
16:00 realtinymonster also, what is port 443 used for?
16:00 Brains grep 443 /etc/services
16:00 Brains https           443/tcp                         # MCom
16:00 Brains https           443/udp
16:01 iqualfragile wtf? hahtetepehes udp?
16:02 Brains Yeah, I thought that was a bit odd but it might just be them assigning both just to avoid confusion.
16:03 Brains Looks like SMTP and SSH both do the same thing.
16:03 Brains Heck even 587 has both tcp and udp for submission.
16:03 Zeno` 443 is normally https:// isn't it?
16:04 Zeno` nvm, I am tired
16:04 Zeno` night all
16:04 Brains Zeno`: Well, 443 is the port for https but I believe that you can specify a port in the URI so not all https:// will go to 443, that is just the default port.
16:05 * Brains likes his 'it depends' answers.  They just feel better.
16:07 gravgun Brains: I like setting up webservers with a hidden http://abc.xyz:1337/ address, just to break the SSL cerfificate
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16:07 gravgun https*
16:07 * gravgun lies
16:08 * gravgun owns no web server whatsoever
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16:43 rubenwardy Hi all!
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16:51 Krock meow.-
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16:56 realtinymonster Hi RealBadAngel
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16:56 RealBadAngel hi
16:56 realtinymonster how are you?
16:56 shadowzone hi
16:57 RealBadAngel just fine
17:00 Krock wut? https://forum.minetest.net/vi​ewtopic.php?f=11&amp;t=10418
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17:03 basxto gravgun: I don’t have the neccesary rights to that with my normal user
17:03 gravgun basxto: you need root access
17:04 basxto doesn’t make sense for me
17:05 Calinou hi
17:07 basxto especially when I need to suspend my laptop in hurry
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17:17 Brains basxto: Not every user should have the permissions to shutdown the hardware...  (I suppose you could argue about physical access but then we don't really have a way to programmatically tell how much physical access a user has...)
17:19 gravgun basxto, Brains: the command I provided is how systemd suspends the computer actually (well, not in (ba)sh, in C, but it's the same way)
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17:20 basxto but I can use systemctl suspend with my normal user o.O
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17:21 basxto Brains: that’s why I would use groups for that … and a power group exists, but does not affect this
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17:23 * Brains hasn't bothered to set up suspend on his machines at the moment or he'd go take a look.
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17:25 Krock http://i.imgur.com/bihqMt5.png
17:26 hoodedice Krock: neat
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17:27 Krock :)
17:27 PenguinDad Krock: is that mgv45?
17:27 Krock PenguinDad, mgvkrock
17:27 basxto would make a great hidden cave-house
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17:29 PenguinDad s/mgv45/mgv5/
17:30 Krock PenguinDad, 2230 letters, 91 lines, a lua mapgen, using a single 3d-noise
17:31 PenguinDad How about 6D noise? :P
17:31 Amaz No number?!
17:31 Amaz ;P
17:31 Amaz *numbers
17:32 Krock Amaz, numbers and letters
17:32 Krock PenguinDad, draw me a 6D-world
17:33 Amaz XD
17:33 PenguinDad Krock: Sorry I'm programmer therefore I can't draw
17:34 Krock ..
17:34 Krock hmm I'm getting visible spaces between nodes without fsaa
17:34 Krock ..setting
17:35 hoodedice > I'm programmer therefore I can't draw
17:35 Krock PenguinDad, show me your skills.
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17:41 PenguinDad Krock: But I already sold them on ebay for 1$ :(
17:41 Krock PenguinDad, reminds me to the offer, where someone sold an used match
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17:42 Krock "Only used once, seems to be broken now" "Maybe interesting for geeks"
17:42 * PenguinDad throws one red paperclip at Krock
17:43 rubenwardy 6D noise doesnt mean 6D world.
17:43 rubenwardy But is pointless
17:44 Krock it would be possible to make a 6d noise
17:44 PenguinDad It begins to get really funny with 1337D noise :P
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18:10 rubenwardy Awesome http://youtu.be/Ep5KJ3aUGFk?t=38s
18:11 rubenwardy !title
18:11 MinetestBot rubenwardy: irrlicht particle collision5 - YouTube
18:11 rubenwardy (for Minetest)
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18:13 Krock poor rainbows
18:14 Calinou https://mediacru.sh/1a6bae839b92 → all new Carbone textures
18:15 Krock dasert sand looks so.. new
18:16 Krock well, the snow side texture looks a bit.. leveled
18:17 Krock and the nyan cat makes 90° rotated rainbows 0.0
18:18 Calinou the rainbow isn't always rotated  the right way
18:18 Calinou Krock, I know you like long side textures :D
18:19 Calinou I find them OK, as long as they are not too long
18:19 PenguinDad desert stone is too yellow for me :/
18:19 Calinou gameplay-wise, it is good if you can see if dirt has grass or snow on it, without having to climb up
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18:57 Sokomine hmm...might have been too much digging going on below this poor house: https://mediacru.sh/R0wSRT-vXQtN
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19:00 Calinou Sokomine, same font settings as me :D but weaker shadow
19:01 Calinou I use shadow 1.0
19:01 Calinou easy to read almost everywhere
19:03 Jordach Sokomine, there's always one mapgen fail
19:03 Jordach like that time i got that one block large soapstone hill biome
19:03 Calinou 91 node-deep ocean with mgv5
19:03 Sokomine Calinou: Sol advertised that font. i tried it and it looked better than the one i had before. how can shadow be configured?
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19:04 Calinou 95
19:04 sfan5 96
19:04 Jordach 69
19:04 sfan5 ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
19:04 Sokomine Jordach: right, but currently there are a bit more failures. i'm trying to get something to work. nore told me how to do it in principle, but it needs finetuning for my purpose
19:04 Calinou Sokomine, http://paste.ubuntu.com/8605287/
19:04 Jordach https://imgur.com/gallery/NWX6g
19:06 Sokomine Calinou: thanks! that might help if the background is not exactly fitting
19:07 Sokomine Jordach: i don't quite get that
19:07 Jordach >Disney rendered its new animated film on a 55,000-core supercomputer
19:07 Jordach mfw when using 4 cores for blender
19:08 sfan5 >getting about 40KB/s from youtube servers
19:08 sfan5 >wat
19:08 Jordach hm
19:09 Jordach GitLab looks suspiciously like GitHub
19:09 sfan5 hm
19:09 sfan5 wait wut
19:09 Calinou yes, quite intended
19:09 sfan5 >only 300KB/s
19:10 Calinou Sokomine, sadly you can't have an outline, just a shadow
19:10 sfan5 wtf is wrong with my connection
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19:12 sfan5 telekom pls http://www.speedtest.net/result/3846608799.png
19:12 sfan5 >grade: F+
19:12 sfan5 gg
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19:22 sfan5 ARE THEY FUCKING KIDDING?
19:22 sfan5 wat
19:23 sfan5 throttling youtube connections
19:23 sfan5 wat
19:23 Calinou I've had grades F too
19:23 sfan5 ISP pls
19:23 Calinou some French ISPs do that
19:23 sfan5 proxying the YT traffic through servers.minetest.net gets me full 1MB/s speeds
19:23 iqualfragile sfan5: telekom throtles everything
19:23 iqualfragile its not even subtile
19:23 iqualfragile its real hardcore throtling
19:23 sfan5 they don't throttle torrent
19:24 iqualfragile in berlin you have a better connection to youtube if you are using the freifunk net
19:24 sfan5 but I'm not in berlin
19:24 iqualfragile sfan5: because they are incompetent and its too hard
19:24 iqualfragile sfan5: switch to netcologne
19:24 sfan5 I'm not in cologne either
19:24 iqualfragile oh, your speed test said so
19:24 sfan5 no
19:24 sfan5 that was the server it used
19:25 Amaz Watching youtube videos through servers.minetest.net?!?! Now I've heard it all!
19:25 Calinou great, now servers.minetest.net is also sfan5's proxy
19:25 sfan5 uh no
19:26 Jordach http://www.speedtest.net/result/3846643997.png u wot m9
19:27 shadowzone Lol
19:28 sfan5 Jordach: u wot m8 http://www.speedtest.net/result/3846647845.png (servers.minetest.net)
19:28 Jordach sfan5, u wot m8
19:28 Jordach 1v1 OpenRA
19:28 sfan5 meow
19:28 proller Jordach, you lock freeminer topic ?
19:28 Jordach proller, i may or may not be undermining it
19:28 Jordach xyz is being disconnected from forum hostings soon
19:29 sfan5 ^ wat
19:29 proller why you still have admin privs ?
19:29 shadowzone http://www.speedtest.net/my-result/3846650445 <-- u wot m8
19:29 Jordach proller, because i'm busy with lift
19:29 sfan5 Jordach doesn't have admin priv
19:29 Jordach life
19:29 proller sfan5, somebody locks https://forum.minetest.net/v​iewtopic.php?f=14&amp;t=7864
19:30 proller now already unlocked
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19:30 sfan5 I'm aware
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19:33 Jordach proller, and why the fuck do you have a developer tag
19:33 Jordach you're not even a core dev anymore
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19:36 Amaz XD
19:36 Amaz One could say that he is an apostate core dev :P
19:36 Jordach with punBB at least i could set custom usertags
19:36 Jordach and groups
19:38 Amaz Can't you do that any more?
19:38 Jordach nope
19:38 Jordach bs group perms
19:38 Amaz :(
19:39 Jordach because PHP, $5 SQL injectors
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19:44 proller Jordach, cry about it.
19:44 Jordach proller, ShadowNinja isn't a lagminer apologist
19:45 Jordach and you're muted according to said banlist
19:45 proller nooQ
19:45 proller cry about it too
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19:45 Jordach !mute proller
19:45 Amaz :D
19:46 cities why can't we all just get along
19:47 Jordach logs: many instances
19:47 Jordach reasons: trolling
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19:49 cities ok
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19:49 * Jordach wonders where WindHero went
19:49 hisforeverkid Hi my friends
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19:50 Amaz Jordach, I think he is at collage...
19:50 Jordach aye
19:51 Jordach >3 years playing Minetest
19:51 Jordach >still no form of achievement for such time wasted
19:51 hisforeverkid Whats VanessaE webpage for her server ?
19:51 shadowzone digitalaudioconcepts.com
19:51 Jordach http://digitalaudioconcepts.com/va​nessa/hobbies/minetest/stats.html
19:51 hisforeverkid ty
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19:57 PenguinDad Jordach: I think the winds blew him away
19:58 shadowzone Okay...there goes proller.
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20:21 Calinou <sfan5> I'm not in cologne either
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20:21 Calinou I read “I'm not on cologne”
20:21 Calinou (here, “eau de cologne” is some kind of alcohol)
20:23 sfan5 o.o
20:25 iqualfragile Calinou: its a smell
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20:27 sfan5 o.o
20:27 sfan5 ah there it is
20:28 Jordach Calinou, send me a bottle pl0x
20:29 sfan5 Jordach: y u no go to france?
20:29 Jordach i'd rather Okotoberfest
20:29 sfan5 lol
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20:43 iqualfragile hello shadowzone
20:43 hisforeverkid is thee anyone that is using VanessaE's server and can tell me how to clame a piece or land?
20:49 iqualfragile hisforeverkid: i guess VanessaE is
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20:54 VanessaE hisforeverkid: https://forum.minetest.net/v​iewtopic.php?f=10&amp;t=8364  <-- look under "Land Ownership"
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20:57 kaeza greetings
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21:00 VanessaE hey
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21:00 john_minetest hi
21:03 Cylus Hello VanessaE, john_minetest!
21:03 john_minetest http://i.imgur.com/zdVaA4u.png
21:03 Cylus john_minetest: Is there a Windows 10 now?
21:03 john_minetest Yes.
21:04 john_minetest It is downloadable for testing and includes all NSA spy features. The Demo is allowed to send any data to the microsoft HQ.
21:04 Cylus I guess 8.1 took the place of 9. Huh. That still seems very odd to skip 9.
21:04 john_minetest There are some reasons.
21:04 Cylus Lovely. Gotta' love those spy features.
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21:04 john_minetest Microsoft claims that 10 is so much better than 8, that 10 is the next one.
21:05 PilzAdam windows now has features that gnome had since 20 years!
21:05 * Cylus is jealous that his Debian install isn't packed with DRM and spy features
21:05 PilzAdam what an improvement!
21:05 john_minetest People say, that every second windows release is bad and they are skipping the good one now.
21:05 PilzAdam truly leading OS here
21:05 VanessaE actually they skipped 9 because they expect old software to have problems.
21:05 Cylus PilzAdam: It does? Nice!
21:05 kaeza MS counts in base 9</oldjoke>
21:05 VanessaE particularly old software that tries to detect the version of windows by looking at the version string and finding "windows 9*" in it.
21:05 john_minetest And some people say, that it's because a lot of software checks for windows to start with "9" to look for 95 and similar
21:06 PilzAdam Cylus, multiple virtual desktops, to be precise
21:06 PilzAdam every linux DE I know of has this since forever
21:06 Jordach heck i even liked this version of windows
21:06 john_minetest ooooh. Multiple virtual desktops! Wow. This is so new!
21:06 Jordach and after using the partial mess known as 8.0
21:06 john_minetest Jordach: 7 was better. XP was quite nice, too
21:06 Jordach it isn't that bad
21:06 Jordach in fact I noticed in a VM it started faster than the host
21:06 Jordach which is bullshit
21:07 john_minetest VM might load the OS to ram.
21:07 john_minetest If you got a slow HDD, it's plausible.
21:07 Jordach VM Ware Workstation 10
21:08 Calinou http://paste.ubuntu.com/8606532/
21:08 kaeza inb4 VM crashed
21:08 Calinou I added setting reminders in console in Carbone
21:08 john_minetest carbone :D
21:08 john_minetest I think that things that change games most, are the textures.
21:09 john_minetest I think that nodetest looks way better than minetest default. But I don't like some of the nodetest features.
21:09 Cylus PilzAdam: You mean Windows users have been working with only a single desktop this whole time? Sad.
21:10 john_minetest I tried to use razor-qt some time ago. It is really nice and the look is fantastic. But I can't use it anymore because I am so used to keyboard controls and opening stuff by power-d -> name.
21:10 iqualfragile i think nodetest has a cool concept
21:11 iqualfragile john_minetest: im sure you can configure that
21:13 john_minetest iqualfragile: Yeah, surely. But i3 gives that to me by default.
21:13 john_minetest What I like in i3 over dwm is, that i3 is configurable without recompile.
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21:29 zat I have been trying minecraft for two days
21:29 zat I didnt expect it would so bore me
21:31 PilzAdam zat, ask Microsoft for a refund
21:31 kaeza why do you think it was boring? (honest question)
21:33 zat PilzAdam: they wont refund 0
21:33 zat kaeza: the only fun thing was hostile mobs and arrows
21:33 zat the interface seems more polished
21:34 zat other than those, the demo doesnt look more attractive than minetest
21:34 ShadowNinja I have MCPE now, and I found that mobs made the game a lot more playable.
21:34 ShadowNinja As a game that is.
21:35 ShadowNinja MCPE also has a much better Android UI.
21:36 zat ShadowNinja: whats MCPE?
21:36 ShadowNinja It's also a lot fater at rendering.  Minetest's node highlighting is better though IMO.  :-)
21:36 ShadowNinja zat: MineCraft Pocet Edition (MC4Android affectively)
21:36 kaeza ^
21:37 ShadowNinja Pocket* effectively*
21:37 kaeza I get more FPS with MC than MT, for roughly the same draw distance
21:38 zat kaeza: me too
21:38 kaeza in MC, my view range is 5-6 chunks at ~30 FPS; MT, with 80 nodes, ~10 FPS
21:39 kaeza if even that
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21:47 ShadowNinja Possibly due to high-end features like VBO?  Or is Minetest just slower now?
21:48 FreeFull I bet irrlicht hasn't been optimised for mobile devices
21:48 ShadowNinja Also, MCPE != MC.  MCPE was written from scratch in C++ bacause Java was too slow (oh, yes, I see how Java is so much more portable. :-P).
21:52 kaeza it used to be faster back in 0.4.{4,5} (even with texture atlas disabled)
21:53 * cities enjoys MC pocket edition
21:53 kaeza not really sure when this performance loss began
21:53 cities my minecraft on PC acts better
21:53 cities I don't know if im just not used to minetest...
21:53 PilzAdam ShadowNinja, a language isn't slow
21:53 PilzAdam the code you write for it is
21:54 ShadowNinja PilzAdam: Higher-level languages have more overhead.
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21:55 PilzAdam there are cases where java even runs faster than c
21:56 ShadowNinja PilzAdam: Sure, but you can probably change the C code to take advantage of optimizations that Java is automatically making.  But lets not start an argument about something as trivial as this.
21:56 kaeza yeah, we should be bashing emacs
21:57 PilzAdam you could say that your jvm is slow
21:57 ShadowNinja PilzAdam: Could Minetest be changed to use VBO well without an enormous rewrite?
21:57 PilzAdam yes, but it leaks memory
21:58 ShadowNinja PilzAdam: I mean could those memory leaks be fixed?
21:58 PilzAdam so depends on your definition of "well" ;-)
21:58 john_minetest ShadowNinja: I heard about MCPE. Seems to be horrible.
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21:58 ShadowNinja john_minetest: It's actually quite good.
21:59 ShadowNinja For an android port of a PC game at least.
21:59 PilzAdam ShadowNinja, as far as I remember it was something about meshes not being free'd as long as the mapblock is loaded (or something like that)
22:01 PilzAdam so fixing the leaks would be quite a huge structural change in that part, I guess
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22:12 Thenextlevel hey does any one know the landrush irc channel
22:15 ShadowNinja Thenextlevel: #minetest-landrush @ irc.inchra.net
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22:37 jin_xi kaeza> yeah, we should be bashing emacs - why? btw 24.4 released today
22:40 iqualfragile because emacs now has an integrated web browser?
22:40 iqualfragile no reason to bash it
22:42 iqualfragile now you can really use it as init
22:45 john_minetest Has it an easy-to-use text editor yet?
22:46 dhasenan_ john_minetest: http://www.emacswiki.org/emacs/VimMode
22:48 john_minetest vim is not easy to use.
22:48 john_minetest It is like emacs but people pretend that it is easier to use.
22:48 jin_xi ???
22:48 john_minetest nano is easy to use :P
22:48 john_minetest anyway, gtg.
22:48 john_minetest cya
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22:58 iqualfragile joepie91: it has vim mode
22:58 iqualfragile whoops
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