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00:47 Fritigern So.... I have found the culprit. the mod(pack?) that sets the spawn point in the middle of a village, blatantly disregarding minetest.conf's static_spawnpoint
00:47 Fritigern It is mg.
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00:52 Fritigern Now, i wonder HOW mg makes one spawn inside a village.
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00:57 Fritigern There it is, that SOB!!! mg, init.lua, lines 714 - 739
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01:03 jordan4ibanez opinion time
01:03 jordan4ibanez what sounds better
01:04 jordan4ibanez for cutting down wood, that is
01:06 jordan4ibanez This hollow sound http://www.freesound.org/peo​ple/pikachu09/sounds/204605/ or this deep rich soundhttp://www.freesound.org/pe​ople/clucker/sounds/215158/
01:09 Fritigern I don't like either of them. How about this one? http://www.freesound.org/p​eople/hazure/sounds/23700/
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01:12 sandrossv how could be lag in singleplayer?
01:13 Fritigern An over abundance of mods?
01:13 sandrossv no
01:13 sandrossv Ive gone too far away from spawn
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01:15 sandrossv even shades are lagging
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01:33 freelikegnu I tried freeminer the other day, its a pretty good fork
01:34 freelikegnu reminds me of minetest with carbone but without mods
01:34 freelikegnu er without mobs
01:35 freelikegnu I like the torch wielding about it
01:36 freelikegnu a ibt too much water though, it whould be called dampminer
01:36 Jordach it's lagminer apparently
01:37 freelikegnu I did not notice lag
01:37 freelikegnu I know minetest is blazing fast tho
01:41 sandrossv /j #ember
01:41 sandrossv sorry
01:51 * Brains wonders why minetest and firefox won't share the sound card...  (Reinstalled linux and tried out pulseaudio so who knows why it is nutty at the moment.)
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02:10 realtinymonster hi all
02:10 jordan4ibanez hi realtinymonster
02:10 realtinymonster hi joepie91
02:10 realtinymonster darn
02:11 realtinymonster * jordan4ibanez
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02:27 jordan4ibanez Hi zat
02:27 jordan4ibanez Zeno`:
02:27 jordan4ibanez there
02:27 Zeno` hi
02:33 * realtinymonster is very good at Audiosurf
02:34 OldCoder realtinymonster, PM
02:34 OldCoder Zeno`, odd stuff abounds in the connection codde
02:34 OldCoder code *
02:36 Zeno` What's happening OldCoder?
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02:38 OldCoder Zeno`, right now I am looking into Moontest. In the network code context, it is clear that code is broken.
02:39 Zeno` Well, I should finish initial cleanup of the_game() today so I'll have another look
02:40 OldCoder kk
02:40 OldCoder Here is the thing
02:40 Zeno` so even with your patches it still happens?
02:40 OldCoder I was seeing timeouts earlier that were shorter than the minimum
02:40 OldCoder Bug!
02:40 OldCoder Well, I added another line
02:40 OldCoder So far not happened again
02:40 OldCoder But it's only been about six hours
02:40 Zeno` I don't like the sound of it... sounds brittle
02:40 OldCoder Take a look if you are in the mood
02:41 OldCoder Yes, it does
02:41 OldCoder I tried
02:41 OldCoder reverting Sapier's code as proller had suggested
02:41 OldCoder Was able to get some of the old code to compile but not all of it
02:41 OldCoder
02:43 Zeno` When did this start occurring btw?
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02:46 OldCoder Zeno`, about a week ago
02:47 OldCoder Shortly after world became popular
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02:51 Zeno` That's really weird
02:51 Zeno` I just had a quick look at the code and I think that I'll add some extra debug info scattered throughout it.. try and work out what's going on
02:52 Zeno` Will do that tonight
02:52 OldCoder All right
02:52 OldCoder I'll continue to run what I've got and report back
02:52 OldCoder Zeno`, I updated to latest git BTW
02:52 Zeno` can you email me your current patch (so I don't forget)?
02:52 Zeno` I'll PM you my email if you agree to that
02:52 OldCoder Yes, PM your email address
02:52 Zeno` ok
02:53 OldCoder I'll send the patch tomorrow night Zeno`
02:53 OldCoder Wish to test another day
02:53 Zeno` yep, sounds like a plan
02:53 Zeno` email me logs as well if they're relevant
02:53 Zeno` actually... not the whole log (too big)... just the relevant parts :D
02:57 OldCoder Actually I'll just put those online
02:57 OldCoder One example is: http://minetest.org/lockout.txt
02:58 OldCoder Oops
02:58 OldCoder Wait
02:58 OldCoder One example is: http://minetest.org/lockup.txt
02:58 OldCoder Correct link ^ Today's lockup was similar
02:58 OldCoder Zeno`, ^
02:58 Zeno` 12:40:04: VERBOSE[ConnectionSend]: con(5/1)RE-SENDING timed-out RELIABLE to 107.200.152.133(t/o=0.5): from_peer_id=1, channel=0, seqnum=65501
02:58 Zeno` I don't like that sequence number
02:58 OldCoder It does seem odd
02:59 Zeno` #define SEQNUM_MAX 65535
02:59 Zeno` it's very close to overflowing
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03:01 OldCoder Yes
03:01 OldCoder Or it is counting down
03:01 Zeno` in fact that's probably what's happening. Hmm
03:01 Zeno` not sure, glancing at the code hehe
03:01 OldCoder But what happens in TCP/IP applications when it does wrap aroun?
03:01 OldCoder * aroun
03:01 OldCoder * around
03:03 Zeno` I have no idea... will have to check
03:04 Zeno` The problem is I can't say for certain if things are right
03:05 Zeno` the sequence numbers are unsigned 16 bit values, but then they're being added to... I'll look more
03:06 Zeno` #define SEQNUM_INITIAL 65500  .. so, that appears correct
03:09 Zeno` I wonder when sapier will be around
03:10 realtinymonster Zeno`: this is actually the first time i've seen sapier NOT in the channel...
03:10 Zeno` I haven't seen him in weeks... timezone issue maybe
03:11 realtinymonster maybe
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03:39 grendal_prime ok guys my son has gone nuts with this game now...
03:40 Naked I love this game nuts or I hate it nuts?
03:40 grendal_prime he has the lord of the rings...hes got...well you name it daughter as well.  I got a server here and im setting up like 4 more workstations for their friends
03:40 grendal_prime already have 2 aside from the laptops the kids use...one request they keep asking for is an overhead map.
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03:41 Naked there is a mapping tool but I dont know where or even how to use it
03:42 Hobodium Is there a way to move stacks to your inventory from a chest quicker than picking them up individually?
03:42 grendal_prime oh and one thing im curious about..The teacher that runs his minecraft class (yes you heard that right) is very interested in this, however, he is not allowed to install anything on the lab machines. They run minecraft on their windows 7 machines because it runs on java and they can run it out of the  my docurments folder.
03:43 Naked you dont need to install anything
03:43 grendal_prime ok, i didnt think so.
03:43 Naked just drop the minetest file in desktop and run bin
03:43 grendal_prime we dont have any windows machines though...
03:43 grendal_prime not here at the ranch..they are all linux workstations.
03:43 Zeno` I didn't have computer game classes at school :(
03:44 grendal_prime ya..well dude...i didnt either.  He has an hour of minecraft and 2 hours of lego robotics
03:44 Naked damn
03:44 Zeno` I did have some LOGO classes
03:44 grendal_prime I know right.
03:44 Naked my school didnt let me play gameboy and now there is a minecraft and lego classes?
03:45 grendal_prime Naked...im telling you we got screwed.
03:45 Zeno` we got royally screwed
03:45 Zeno` What do they do in highschool? Call of Duty classes? :D
03:45 grendal_prime Not only that but guess what...they have decided these things when left up to the kids to manage BUILD TEAM EXPERIENCE!! GO FKN FIGURE HU???
03:46 Naked god dammit now I wish I was back in a school like that
03:46 Zeno` I must admit the kids on my server (when they're not arguing) do develop good teamwork
03:46 grendal_prime do what i did...adopt kids and home school them..
03:46 grendal_prime im having a blast.
03:47 Zeno` It surprises me all the time what they manage to build
03:47 OldCoder https://forum.minetest.net/vi​ewtopic.php?f=10&t=10382
03:47 OldCoder Announcing: Moontest!
03:47 OldCoder "Even a man who is pure in heart and says his prayers by night, may become a wolf when the wolfbane blooms and the autumn moon is bright."
03:47 OldCoder
03:47 OldCoder Server: moontest.org Port: 30021
03:48 Zeno` Your first post!
03:48 OldCoder Map may be temporary
03:48 OldCoder First post in a while
03:48 OldCoder It might have been 2 years
03:48 Zeno` looks like the post count got reset :D
03:48 grendal_prime wow....busy hu?
03:48 OldCoder All right
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03:48 OldCoder Very well
03:48 OldCoder Hm. "Better late than never!"
03:48 OldCoder :P
03:48 Zeno` OldCoder is a n00b :p
03:48 OldCoder Indeed!
03:48 Zeno` :D
03:49 grendal_prime Naked, so i though there was a sdl lib that needed to be installed on windows machines
03:49 grendal_prime does windwos 7 have that by default?
03:49 Naked I dont know
03:49 Naked I never needed that
03:49 Naked maybe it is
03:50 Naked all I can say is find a windows 7 pc and dump the files in it for a test
03:50 grendal_prime it might be instaled on those machines...ill take a long pen drive and see if it works.
03:52 Zeno` SDL? I don't think minetest uses SDL at all
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03:54 grendal_prime old codder password?
03:54 OldCoder Hm?
03:54 OldCoder grendal_prime, hm?
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03:54 OldCoder grendal_prime, may I help you?
03:55 grendal_prime when i try and connect to that server it says... empty passwords not allowed
03:55 OldCoder Correct, type a password
03:55 OldCoder Select a unique one and write it down
03:55 grendal_prime werid
03:56 grendal_prime ok..well got it...hey that reminds me my daughter is pissed at my son because he can log right into her game..and he jacks things up on here..she set a password ...thinking that ment he counldnt log in.
03:57 grendal_prime am i not understanding what a password is used for here?
03:57 kaeza grendal_prime, she can log in with her own account
03:57 kaeza passwords protect accounts
03:58 kaeza in that case, I'd recommend a suitable "protection" mod
03:58 kaeza err, he
04:01 kaeza the easiest to use are probably "protector" ( https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=4212 ) and "areas" ( https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=7239 )
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04:16 grendal_prime basically i think she needs to just create a single player game, is there a way to move things she has created from the server mode to the single player mode?
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04:19 Fritigern there is an option in minetest.conf to have new users enter a password before they can sign in. But that will not help if they already have an account
04:20 Fritigern And as for you last question, grendal_prime, all she would need to do is to start the game from her singleplayer tab and that's it
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04:22 Fritigern Unless she wants to have her inventory, locked chests, etc too. Then she would have to somehow transfer it all to the user called  singleplayer, but to be honest, i wouldn;t know how other than to plop everything in non-locked chests
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04:44 Fritigern Zeno, VanessaE, I've found the cause of my problem: https://forum.minetest.net/vi​ewtopic.php?p=158659#p158659
04:45 VanessaE I TOLD you it was a mod moving you around :)
04:45 * VanessaE pokes Sokomine
04:46 VanessaE I believe mg uses her ^^^ villages code
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04:48 Fritigern So i have commented those lines and all is well
04:49 Fritigern (typing 1-handed, baby on lap)
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05:14 grendal_prime im going to bed damn it
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05:14 grendal_prime and you people cannot stop me this time
05:23 Zeno` hahah
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05:43 OldCoder Erthome, wb
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06:43 paramat i forked minetest, cloned, created a branch, made changes, compiled ... now the in-game top left version number reads 'Minetest 0.4.10-135-gd1ccc64-dirty', is this dirtiness a problem? what's the cause?
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07:02 OldCoder paramat, hi
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07:02 OldCoder You didn't really "fork" I assume
07:02 OldCoder You mean you are fiddling with a branch
07:03 OldCoder I don't see the source for the string but I don't think it is a problem
07:04 OldCoder The hex part is a git commit code
07:04 OldCoder I believe what you are seeing is a git commit code marked as "dirty" simply because it is modified
07:04 OldCoder It is not an issue
07:04 OldCoder paramat, ^
07:04 OldCoder
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07:22 paramat thanks!
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07:34 alket can minetest server run on 1GB of ram ?
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08:19 CWz what does the far flag mean?
08:20 Zeno` That's for enabling/disabling seeing gamer tags
08:20 CWz oh
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09:28 hisforeverkid whats the past url please
09:32 hisforeverkid I'm getting these errors can some one help please? http://pastie.org/9655329
09:38 Zeno` rename areas-master to areas_master and see what happens
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09:40 kilbith it shall just be named 'areas'
09:42 Zeno` or that (of course it should be that, thanks kilbith)
09:43 kilbith -master is added by github
09:45 hisforeverkid ty Zero
09:46 Zeno` yep I should have noticed that ;)
09:47 * kilbith serves a coffee to Zeno`.
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09:51 Zeno` I'd rather a beer, but thanks :)
09:52 kilbith beer is bad for the insulin level
09:55 Zeno` I'll put a dash of insulin in the beer then?
09:58 Zeno` not sure how that works
09:58 * Zeno` puts salt in it instead
10:07 kilbith lol
10:08 kilbith no, insuline is produced by your body
10:10 Amaz kilbith, you can get insulin tablets if you're diabetic.
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10:11 kilbith some post-Neolithic foods are badly exploited by the old code of the human body ;)
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10:12 Amaz :P
10:14 Zeno` I'm not sure that a few beers on a friday night will hurt my insulin too much, but this salt is revolting
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10:14 kilbith in longterm I meant
10:14 Zeno` ah ok
10:14 Zeno` even just once a week?
10:15 kilbith perhaps
10:15 kilbith each body are different
10:15 Zeno` hmm... I will have to bew pre-Neolithic spirits then I guess :(
10:15 kilbith take a look on it : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paleolithic_diet
10:15 Zeno` I think my diet's ok though
10:16 Zeno` looking
10:16 Zeno` Oh I've read that before. My diet is similar and I grow all my own vegies
10:16 kilbith problem is that the human body engine developper is too slow and lazy :P
10:17 Zeno` I grow Macadamia nuts as well but the crop yield is not too high yet
10:17 Zeno` can I add a new PSU to my body?
10:17 kilbith hehe
10:18 Zeno` I think apart from beer on Friday nights my diet is close (but not the same) to that wiki link
10:18 kilbith there is alot of dried fruits in New Zealand ?
10:18 Zeno` Well... there probably is but that's a bit far for me to go shopping
10:18 Zeno` I'm in Australia
10:19 PenguinDad lol
10:23 Zeno` We do have a huge variety of all that stuff though
10:23 kilbith and savage meets
10:23 kilbith kangoroo, sharks...
10:23 Zeno` My diet changed a bit after one of my trips to Papua New Guinea
10:23 Zeno` Kangaroo meat is quite nice if cooked correctly
10:23 Zeno` I'd be lucky to have it once a year though
10:24 kilbith I heard that kangoroo meat is "tough"
10:24 Zeno` it's only tough if cooked incorrectly (it can be tough because it's so lean... virtually no fat)
10:24 kilbith I already eat shark meat : delicious and tender
10:24 Zeno` oh shark meat is great
10:25 Zeno` we call it "flake" in Australia
10:25 Zeno` http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flake_%28fish%29
10:26 kilbith such as the "ray" (not sure of the name)
10:26 kilbith that : http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi​a/commons/thumb/5/5d/Aetobatus-narin​ari.jpg/250px-Aetobatus-narinari.jpg
10:27 Zeno` I don't think I've ever eaten a sting ray
10:27 kilbith me too
10:27 Zeno` I'd give it a go though... I try most things at least once
10:28 kilbith except the dogs / cats
10:28 kilbith I eaten spiders, big worms... but not that
10:30 Zeno` yeah maybe not cat or dog
10:30 Zeno` i've eaten spiders as well as bats
10:30 kilbith insects are considered as the sustainable future for food
10:31 Zeno` yes, I've had cicada before
10:31 Zeno` they're a bit like prawns (vagualy)
10:31 kilbith efficient producion, more proteins than in beef, much more less consumming of water
10:31 kilbith production*
10:31 Zeno` beef production uses so many resources (including land)
10:31 kilbith exactly
10:32 kilbith completely unefficient
10:32 Zeno` I do like it though :(
10:32 Zeno` despite being aware of how inefficient it is and how much environmental damage is caused :(
10:33 kilbith 1 kg of beef = 500 liters of water
10:33 Zeno` I try not to eat more than my personal footprint though (which I set at 1 cow per year)
10:33 kilbith and 7 kg of cereals
10:33 PenguinDad 1 human = much more liters of wat :P
10:33 PenguinDad *water
10:33 Zeno` and many acres of land that would be better left undamaged
10:34 kilbith PenguinDad : depending of the location of the human ;)
10:34 Zeno` e.g. see Argentina and Australia and the amount of damage to the environment :(
10:34 Zeno` But, I still love beef
10:34 Zeno` *sigh*
10:34 Zeno` I don't think eating humans is very good because of prions and stuff
10:35 Zeno` there are probably moral issues as well, roflol
10:35 PenguinDad Zeno`: I wasn't talking about eating humans
10:35 Zeno` I know, just thought I'd throw it in to show that I've heard of prions
10:35 Zeno` It's not every day you get that opportunity
10:36 Zeno` I once sucked my thumb when I got a paper cut though
10:38 kilbith cannibalism may brings some disease
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10:38 kilbith no animal eats another animal of same race
10:38 kilbith except the human
10:39 Amaz kilbith, I think some fish do...
10:40 kilbith i'm not sure
10:40 kilbith there is several races of fishes
10:40 PenguinDad kilbith: Some apes do that
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10:40 Amaz Like salmon fry will eat one another as they grow.
10:41 Amaz (Not to be mixed up wit fried salmon!)
10:41 Amaz *with
10:42 kilbith and the mantis after mating kills and eats the male
10:43 Fritigern Zeno`, PenguinDad, Amaz. The mystery of the moving spawn has been solved! https://forum.minetest.net/vi​ewtopic.php?p=158659#p158659
10:43 Zeno` Fritigern, I saw.... I told you some mod must be doing it :p
10:44 Zeno` Glad it's sorted out
10:44 Fritigern Trying to make sure that as many people as possible will know about this. In case this happens again to somone.
10:44 Amaz I thought a mapgen mod might be responsible!
10:45 Fritigern A mapgen modshould even be allowed to do this! A mapgen mod should just stick to generating worlds. Not overriding mintest.conf settongs
10:45 Fritigern *settings
10:45 Fritigern (damn my dyslexic fingers)
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10:46 Amaz That could cause problems, as if there isn' a static spawn, then the player is likely to spawn underground...
10:46 Amaz But I agree that it shouldn't be allowed to overwrite the static spawn.
10:47 Fritigern If  static_spawn  points to an underground location, or a location higher than the ground level, then the admin would be the first to know, and (s)he would move it.
10:48 Amaz Yep, but for the most part, static spawn isn't set in singleplayer.
10:48 proller spawn problem "was solved in freeminer" ;)
10:49 proller ^ in stone spawn
10:49 PenguinDad Fritigern: mg tries to always spawn you in a village
10:50 Fritigern Amaz, if it isn't set in SP, then 0,0,0 should be used
10:50 PenguinDad Uh no
10:50 Fritigern PenguinDad: And that is exactly the problem. If i set a spawn, i mean that i want me and other to spawn there. MG should not mess with that
10:50 PenguinDad 0,0,0 isn't always a good place to spawn
10:51 Amaz Fritergern, but 90 times in 100, you would spawn underground, and when you didn't you would 9/10 times spawn in the ocean.
10:51 Fritigern No, but it happens anyway. Even in a fresh MG world
10:51 Zeno` I'd say Sokomine just accidentally overlooked it
10:51 Zeno` was probably there as a test or something
10:52 Fritigern mg makes me spawn in water most of the time on a fresh world, i will have 5 or 6 pieces of gravel under my feet, but it's the middle of water nonetheless
10:53 Fritigern Amaz, then code should be implemented in the engine that will spawn you in a safe spot if the intended span is blocked.
10:54 Amaz That would be good.
10:54 Fritigern But a mod should not mess with static_spawnoint when it is not obvious that it will do so, and if there is no easy way to turn this behaviour off.
10:55 Fritigern Ideallym the mod would be smart enough to only use their own spawn code if static_spawn was not set
10:55 Amaz Delete the code :P
10:55 Fritigern *static_spawnpoint
10:56 Amaz That would be pretty simple to do.
10:56 Amaz I think.
10:56 Fritigern I have commented it out, but as i said yesterday, that is a worlaround. the solution is if it's either deleted,. or made "smart" upstream
10:57 PenguinDad It would be quite easy to make it respect static_spawnpoint
10:59 Fritigern if (static_spawnpoint == NULL) {use own spawn code) else spawn at static_spawnpoint.
10:59 Zeno` oh it's nore's code
10:59 Fritigern I know, that is pseudo code, but that's the process that should have been implemented
11:00 PenguinDad I wonder why there's no pseudocode spec :P
11:01 Fritigern Because the spec would have been violated left and right :-)))
11:02 Zeno` I don't think there should be respawn code in there at all
11:02 Zeno` makes no sense
11:02 Fritigern I stil can't code in Lua.  I did add an explorer hammer to the cottages mod, but it is non-functional
11:02 Zeno` Just open an issue ;)
11:04 Zeno` :)
11:05 PenguinDad Is there any lua mapgen which does not generate insanely big snow biomes?
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11:09 proller PenguinDad, in <censored> you can use mgv7 and set average temp to -30 - amything will be in snow
11:09 PenguinDad that's exactly what i don't want
11:10 Amaz PenguinDad, try watershed.
11:10 Amaz That didn't have snow when I last looked.
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11:41 ulla hi all
11:41 ulla pls can help me
11:41 Amaz What's the matter?
11:42 ulla my nuclear generator
11:42 ulla now is green and i cant remove
11:42 ulla thim kill me
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11:43 ulla ?
11:55 Jordach it melted down much like a real reactor
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15:06 Inocudom VanessaE: https://github.com/paramat/minetest/commits/mgv5
15:08 Inocudom sfan5: Paramat is working on something incredible: https://github.com/paramat/minetest/commits/mgv5
15:09 sfan5 didn't celeron already do that?
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15:09 Amaz And when you add LOTT to it (and the mapgen of that is based on paragenv7) you get: https://cdn.mediacru.sh/qCNQh3zEx2ia.png https://cdn.mediacru.sh/OdPblr_WS0a_.png
15:14 VanessaE Inocudom: cool
15:16 Zeno` sfan5, not as far as I can see
15:17 Inocudom Amaz: It's beautiful.
15:17 PenguinDad https://github.com/celeron55/minetest/commi​t/bed66281d9d69fa7d2047454e7663d5f01b0ab2b dat commit message :D
15:18 Zeno` :-o
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15:25 sfan5| MinetestBot!
15:25 MinetestBot sfan5|!
15:26 sfan5| Yay
15:26 cities sfan5,
15:26 cities is there a way to undo a worldedit action
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15:34 fireglow is there some IPC with which I could change the motd of a running server?
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15:39 rubenwardy Hi all!
15:39 VanessaE hi
15:40 VanessaE fireglow: you could  /set motd <new description here>  but I doubt it will take effect right away
15:41 fireglow no I mean IPC through an external program
15:41 VanessaE nope
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15:42 rubenwardy You could change the MOTD using IRC commands
15:43 VanessaE not sure if that counts :P
15:43 VanessaE if you have the IRC mod and irc_commands mod, you can communicate with it that way, provided the motd change will take effect immediately
15:44 VanessaE (not all of the server's variables will.  some require a restart)
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15:45 fireglow hmm, that's an idea
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15:51 fireglow ok I'll have to way till the server is empty
15:55 Cacatoes hi, I'm still trying to understand the lag issues of servers. Are all admins restarting the server regularly just to prevent it ?
15:56 Cacatoes right now, I have to destroy the same stone block 3 times so the server takes it into account
15:56 fireglow Cacatoes: how many players are currently on your server?
15:57 Cacatoes it's set to 15 max
15:57 rubenwardy Pretty interesting: http://www.bbc.com/earth/stor​y/20141016-your-life-on-earth
15:58 Cacatoes about 10 players right now it seems
15:58 fireglow hmm
16:00 Cacatoes i'm exagerating, but it happens I have to hit the block twice, and it happens often I put a block on the map, then walk on it, then fall because there's like a «hiccup» and the server takes times to confirm the block is there
16:01 fireglow Cacatoes: yes I know that problem, my server suffers from it, too
16:01 fireglow really annoying
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16:02 Cacatoes yesterday I posted images about the landscape not displaying at all
16:04 Cacatoes so you have to wait to the borders of a zone, and face some "empty" area on which you can't walk/cross over.... which sometimes takes ages to display
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16:04 cities ive seen that before Cacatoes
16:04 ElectronLibre Hello everyone.
16:04 fireglow same issue here
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16:05 Cacatoes http://pix.toile-libre.org/up​load/original/1413474186.png ; http://pix.toile-libre.org/up​load/original/1413474210.png
16:05 PenguinDad Cacatoes: these are blocks loading slowly
16:06 Cacatoes PenguinDad, and it ruins the game experience, yes I know that
16:07 PenguinDad There are many reasons why this could happen
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16:08 Cacatoes that's what I'm asking, ways to investigate and help with this
16:08 PenguinDad Slow connection, slow server, cats in the datacenter, etc.
16:08 exio4 cats in the datacenter sounds ... like the right reason
16:09 Calinou hi
16:09 Cacatoes yes, I also had doubts on this
16:09 Calinou in English, do you write “apart from” or “apart of”?
16:10 Cacatoes guessing: apart from + ing
16:10 ElectronLibre I think it's "apart from".
16:10 Calinou alright, I could of written that.
16:10 Calinou (sarcasm)
16:10 Zacky hi :)
16:10 Calinou hi Zacky
16:10 Zacky hi Calinou :D
16:10 ElectronLibre Hello Zacky.
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16:11 Zacky hi ElectronLibre :)
16:12 PenguinDad exio4: it must be the reason :P http://img.thedailywtf.com​/images/14/q3/em7/em5.png
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16:13 Cacatoes I suppose the issue has already been talked about. I've searched on the forum but found nothing really relevant
16:13 Cacatoes I also fear server bandwidth / cpu is not to blame
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16:23 rubenwardy You may have turned camera updates off
16:23 rubenwardy Keyboard shortcut, anyone?
16:23 rubenwardy F-something
16:24 rubenwardy If you restart your client, does the issue persist, Cacatoes?
16:25 Cacatoes F4, what is the effect of «camera updates» ?
16:26 ElectronLibre The node textures don't appear in new loaded area, and the post effect color don't change if you enter or leave any liquid.
16:26 Cacatoes rubenwardy, it indeed happened restarting was helping with (some of) the issue. And it happens a lot I hit F4 without knowing what it does ;)
16:27 rubenwardy Disabling camera updates means that the scene is no longer redrawn
16:27 Calinou it is redrawn, rubenwardy; the renderer will however consider you aren't moving, thus won't update culling, post process effects and so on
16:28 Calinou if the scene was no longer redrawn, you'd either see a static scene or a black/white screen
16:28 Cacatoes yes, it's like a "free move" around the map if I guess
16:29 Calinou many other games have an option for that
16:31 Cacatoes I don't exactly see how it can be used in minecraft, we can't move around without moving player do we ? development purpose only ?
16:36 rubenwardy bash command to get computer info?
16:36 rubenwardy shell
16:37 rubenwardy ah, sudo lshw
16:40 Zephlon http://dev.minetest.net/minetest.register_tool "This article is incomplete." Is there a more complete reference somewhere?
16:41 PenguinDad Zephlon: the most complete reference is lua_api.txt
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16:44 Zephlon thanks
16:44 Calinou rubenwardy, phoronix-test-suite system-info
16:45 Calinou also outputs software info
16:45 sfan5 cities: no
16:45 Calinou Cacatoes, we don't have a “freecam” thingy that lets you move the camera around without moving player
16:46 rubenwardy thank you, Calinou
16:47 Cacatoes it's fine, I was trying to understand the interest of the F4 option
16:47 rubenwardy Can I do key combos like ctrl+f4 in minetest for keybinding?
16:52 Calinou I don't think you can
16:53 Calinou F4 can be used to cheat: see through walls, not being affected by post-process like water and lava…
16:53 rubenwardy To allow disabling of camera update, allow_camera_update_toggle = true in minetest.conf
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16:53 Calinou the key should just be removed probably (except in debug builds maybe)
16:53 Krock meow
16:53 rubenwardy "To allow disabling of camera update, allow_camera_update_toggle = true in minetest.conf"
16:53 rubenwardy That is a good idea
16:53 Calinou does the key serve any purpose?
16:53 Krock "To allow disabling.." ehm.
16:54 rubenwardy To allow camera update to be disabled
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16:54 Calinou minetest.conf is big enough, don't add settings for nothing
16:54 Calinou it takes time to parse it and such ;)
16:54 rubenwardy Ok
16:54 Calinou I'd just remove the key
16:54 PenguinDad "nothing = true in minetest.conf does nothing" D:
16:56 * sfan5 meows at PenguinDad
16:56 rubenwardy What if the c++ flag for debug mod in Minetest?
16:56 * PenguinDad pets sfan5
16:56 * sfan5 purrs
16:57 PenguinDad #ifdef NDEBUG
16:57 PenguinDad use_the_force();
16:57 PenguinDad #endif
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17:05 rubenwardy Calinou: https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/1744
17:13 Krock OldCoder, Why do you 'take away' new players the interact privilege? Do they troll too much?
17:17 rubenwardy wow https://www.youtube.com/user/github
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17:21 PenguinDad mg_villages is still broken :(
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17:23 OldCoder Krock, busy but will comment shortly
17:23 Krock k
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17:35 HTML Hello
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17:35 Krock Hello
17:37 Calinou I wanted to use XML as name, can't :(
17:38 SGML Calinou: :P
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17:38 Calinou shotgun markup language
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17:39 * SGML is the Standard Generalized Markup Language
17:40 exio4 SML is better
17:40 Krock CSS ftw
17:41 exio4 Haskell is nicer
17:41 exio4 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Standard_ML
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17:46 Kostok Hello all
17:46 Calinou hi Kostok
17:48 HTML O.0
17:48 HTML Well... I am ligeti, I dont think that you can remember me (been a while)
17:49 Calinou http://dl.bukkit.org/downloads/craftbukkit/
17:49 Calinou error 451!
17:50 * OldCoder will be away today back tonight
17:50 OldCoder Krock, I'll grant interact by default for some worlds
17:50 OldCoder Krock, but it seems to produce better results to add people one by one
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17:50 Krock OldCoder, okay
17:51 OldCoder sfan5, meoinw
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17:52 sfan5| !tell sapier https://cdn.mediacru.sh/VfCaPtWdDvMJ.png the menu is a bit too small...
17:52 sfan5| OldCoder: meow
17:52 OldCoder moin
17:52 OldCoder Hence, meoinw
17:52 sfan5| :D
17:53 sfan5| :o
17:53 sfan5| Where's the bot?
17:53 rubenwardy [16:58:34] * MinetestBot has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
17:54 rubenwardy That is GMT. It is 18:53 now
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17:54 PenguinDad GMT == Good Morning Time :P
17:54 sfan5 ^
17:54 sfan5 !tell sapier https://cdn.mediacru.sh/VfCaPtWdDvMJ.png the menu is a bit too small...
17:54 MinetestBot sfan5: I'll pass that on when sapier is around
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18:25 PenguinDad Menu scaling surely is broken :/ http://a.pomf.se/omutom.png
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18:32 Calinou try increasing your font size and using Freetype?
18:33 PenguinDad That isn't a font issue
18:35 Calinou it'll look weird with small fonts
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18:42 coagen hello
18:42 PenguinDad Calinou: It looks weird with a bigger font too
18:42 coagen this channel grows every time I return
18:42 rubenwardy coagen, the most was ~ 175 on the week after the MSCraftGate
18:43 coagen rubenwardy: really, that is quite interesting
18:43 rubenwardy It was about 70 the week before
18:44 coagen cool
18:44 coagen glad to hear more ppl are checking out alternatives
18:44 coagen so guys, I have a hard question
18:44 rubenwardy "Do you like waffles?"
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18:45 coagen if I want to run minecraft on a 1U server, (linux) is there any point in putting a gpu in it?
18:45 rubenwardy Do you mean Minetest?
18:45 coagen it will only run the game in console mode
18:45 coagen haha
18:45 coagen yeah
18:45 coagen sorry
18:45 coagen minecrap on the brain
18:45 rubenwardy To run a game in the console, use  $ minetest --server --worldname world
18:46 rubenwardy or $ ./minetest --server --worldname world
18:46 coagen right, I know this, I just need to know if there is any benefit to adding a gpu
18:46 shadowzone Or use minetest server
18:46 coagen or will the game run completely off the cpu?
18:46 rubenwardy GPUs are not really used in Minetest
18:46 PenguinDad coagen: if you recode minetest to use OpenCL then yes :P
18:46 rubenwardy it is almost all CPU
18:46 coagen :\
18:46 shadowzone ./minetestserver --worldname <world>  --port 30000  --config <path to config>
18:46 rubenwardy PenguinDad, that was not really needed
18:47 rubenwardy :S
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18:47 coagen I can put an nvidia workstation card in it... but minetest wont be able to use it? correct?
18:47 PenguinDad But modern technologies!
18:47 rubenwardy shadowzone's version is probably better
18:47 coagen :|
18:47 PenguinDad coagen: yep
18:47 coagen that sucks :|
18:47 rubenwardy I meant that comment.
18:47 coagen I went and found an old 1U with a pci express just for this :|
18:47 coagen what a waste of time
18:48 coagen should have checked here first
18:48 coagen I knew you guys would know
18:49 coagen hrm
18:49 coagen well
18:49 VanessaE well that's not entirely true
18:49 coagen I just found this in the minestest.conf file
18:49 coagen # Video back-end.
18:49 coagen # Possible values: null, software, burningsvideo, direct3d8, direct3d9, opengl
18:49 coagen #video_driver = opengl
18:49 VanessaE it depends on what you're doing
18:49 VanessaE how you're playing
18:50 VanessaE some stuff is highly CPU-dependent, some stuff will benefit from a better graphics card
18:50 Krock coagen, depends on OS and extentions of Irrlicht lb
18:50 coagen VanessaE: I want max performance, I'm going to put it in a datacenter and have remote hosts connect
18:50 Krock *lib
18:50 rubenwardy He is talking about a server
18:50 Krock ah
18:50 coagen Krock: srsly? was going to run an arch based server
18:50 VanessaE coagen: in that case a fast, dual-core CPU or so and a lot of RAM
18:51 VanessaE coagen: and a fast disk or SSD
18:51 PenguinDad OpenCL based mesecons :D
18:51 coagen VanessaE: I have a min 8 gb, maybe able to bump to 12 or more
18:51 Krock SSD isn't better than HDD,when looking at data loss
18:51 VanessaE coagen: 8GB is plenty.
18:51 VanessaE Krock: SSD is way better.
18:51 coagen VanessaE: got 1TB mirror slow spindles... cant afford ssd's for this...
18:51 VanessaE don't listen to the lies
18:52 Calinou Minetest is highly CPU-bottlenecked
18:52 Calinou (about rendering)
18:52 Calinou your CPU will be fully used way before the graphics card
18:52 VanessaE coagen: spinning rust will do fine for a server; I run 8 of them off of one box
18:52 Calinou I have a big-sized CPU compared to my graphics card, yet my CPU is maxed before graphics card when not limiting FPS on Minetest, where I get 120 to 200 FPS depending on the case (600 at sky)
18:53 Calinou Krock, both have data loss problems and fail randomly
18:53 coagen Calinou: I'm talking about a headless linux server
18:53 coagen Calinou: not a desktop
18:53 iqualfragile VanessaE: depends, for large rollbacks you need enormous amounts of ram
18:53 coagen VanessaE: what db backend you using? and is it running on the same disks/box?
18:54 rubenwardy leveldb tends to be better [citation needed]
18:54 Krock Calinou, VanessaE, yes. sadly, there's no cheap way to store data without loss :/
18:54 VanessaE coagen: leveldb and it's all running on a single disk
18:54 iqualfragile coagen: heared that leveldb has better performance
18:54 VanessaE Krock: sure there is.  it's called making regular backups to anything from a cheap external disk to NAS
18:54 coagen iqualfragile: I do remember some debate about db perf some time ago... have you tested it though?
18:55 ItsLuke was kicked by VanessaE: stop changing nicks!
18:55 rubenwardy lol
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18:56 VanessaE coagen: leveldb is somewhat faster than sqlite, but the bigger benefit is the size of the world files.  leveldb worlds take somewhere around 60% or so of the storage needed by sqlite for the same content
18:57 coagen VanessaE: wow, I'm unfamiliar with leveldb, do you need to do occasional vacuums like sqlite?
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18:57 ItsLuke I only changed my nick once
18:57 VanessaE coagen: I have not seen the need to do so yet.
18:57 PenguinDad This setting is quite important regarding sqlite performance https://github.com/minetest/minetest/blo​b/master/minetest.conf.example#L352-353
18:58 VanessaE ItsLuke: you changed it twice, and that's after having changed it 6 times, earlier.
18:58 ItsLuke mmhm
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18:59 coagen PenguinDad: #sqlite_synchronous = 2? interesting, what setting do you use?
19:00 coagen VanessaE: all your stuff is leveldb right? 8 instances of minetest on the same box? did I read that right?
19:00 VanessaE coagen: yes, yes, and yes :)
19:01 VanessaE 3.4 GHz dual-core i3 with HT, 8GB RAM, 2TB spinning rust
19:01 PenguinDad You should use "sqlite_synchronous = 0" for speed
19:01 VanessaE cheap server but it works well
19:01 coagen VanessaE: thanks for your quick answers!
19:02 VanessaE all 8 instances combined don't usually exceed about 3GB RAM usage
19:02 coagen wow
19:02 proller because you have 0 players and minimal settings
19:02 coagen lol
19:03 coagen bozha moy
19:03 VanessaE proller: um, no.  more like a peak of around 10 players and settings tuned to make the servers react as fast as possible
19:03 VanessaE and tons of mods, you KNOW that
19:03 VanessaE as in two of the servers run Dreambuilder.
19:03 coagen VanessaE: russian sarcasm me thinks, dont take him too seriously
19:03 VanessaE even when the servers were peaking in the 40-player range, the RAM usage didn't exceed ~3 GB
19:04 proller 10 on one server, not 10 on any server
19:04 VanessaE coagen: no one does.  s/pr/tr/g and you know why he exists.
19:04 Nitori rubenwardy?
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19:04 rubenwardy hello?
19:04 VanessaE proller: I've had 30 on one server before without issues.  so stuff it.
19:04 proller btw - now fastests "World"
19:04 iqualfragile coagen: don't use synchronous = 0 without having backups!
19:05 proller AHAHAHAH!! "without issues"
19:05 VanessaE it got a little laggy because of the map generator and because I hadn't adjusted the bandwidth limits (it was a new world, what do you expect?)
19:05 VanessaE but that didn't last long before I sorted that out
19:05 VanessaE players loved that world
19:06 rubenwardy Nitori, PM me.
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19:06 rubenwardy on forum
19:06 rubenwardy I gtg
19:06 proller VanessaE, try now "World" - now it have 30 bots+players  - it faster than your server with 0 players ;)
19:06 VanessaE but players don't like upgrading their tablet clients to follow changes in the server software
19:06 iqualfragile VanessaE: which os do you use on your servers?
19:06 VanessaE iqualfragile: debian 7
19:06 proller try to dig, inventory, etc
19:06 PenguinDad iqualfragile: you shouldn't run a server without backups regardless of the map backend
19:07 iqualfragile PenguinDad: i do :D
19:07 PenguinDad iqualfragile: you live dangerous ;)
19:08 iqualfragile i do manual backups from time to time
19:08 VanessaE proller: yeah.  27 users, all of them guests or bots by the look of it.  no regular players.  foo.
19:09 iqualfragile PenguinDad: as soon as https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/1732 is merged there will be lots of backups
19:09 proller VanessaE, try it. bots generate more load than players
19:10 Calinou how?
19:10 PenguinDad iqualfragile: but it will rarely be a full backup
19:10 iqualfragile PenguinDad: but it will be the relevant parts
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19:46 Matsetes I've got a trouble
19:47 Matsetes I had to switch off my laptop when Minetest was running
19:47 Matsetes Now if I try to open it, the error is: 21:44:10: ERROR[main]: A serialization error occurred: 21:44:10: ERROR[main]: ServerEnvironment::loadMeta(): EnvArgsEnd not found 21:44:10: ERROR[main]: The server is probably  running a different version of Minetest.
19:47 Matsetes Can anyone please help me?
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19:52 Matsetes Solved, thanks
19:55 Krock fixed the search-by-author function on the mod search site
19:56 Matsetes I have other problems:
19:56 Matsetes Irrlicht log: PNG warning: Interlace handling should be turned on when using png_read_image Irrlicht log: Could not open file of texture:  Irrlicht log: Could not open file of texture:  Irrlicht log: Could not open file of texture:  Irrlicht log: Could not open file of texture:  Font size: 8 16 21:55:51: ERROR[ServerThread]: Got packet command: 60 for peer id 2 but client isn't active yet. Dropping packet
19:58 Matsetes Can anyone please help me?
19:59 kilbith what's the version of the Minetest you have installed, Matsetes ?
20:00 Matsetes 0.4.10
20:01 Matsetes I think the world is corrupted cause of the brutal switch off of the laptop
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20:13 Matsetes Irrlicht log: PNG warning: Interlace handling should be turned on when using png_read_image
20:13 Matsetes How can I solve that?
20:15 VanessaE ignore it.
20:19 Matsetes The game start bugged
20:19 Matsetes I see all grey and I can't move, VanessaE
20:19 Matsetes And there is not the Unified Inventory gui
20:20 VanessaE can't really say why, you powered off, probably corrupted your filesystem
20:20 Miner_48er restart the program
20:20 Matsetes The log is:
20:20 Matsetes Irrlicht log: PNG warning: Interlace handling should be turned on when using png_read_image Irrlicht log: Could not open file of texture:  Irrlicht log: Could not open file of texture:  Irrlicht log: Could not open file of texture:  Irrlicht log: Could not open file of texture:  Font size: 8 16 21:55:51: ERROR[ServerThread]: Got packet command: 60 for peer id 2 but client isn't active yet. Dropping packet
20:20 Matsetes I already did it
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20:25 Matsetes Any suggestions, VanessaE ?
20:26 VanessaE only suggestion i have is you fucked your filesystem by unceremoniously shutting off power in the middle of a gaming session instead of doing a proper graceful shutdown
20:26 VanessaE I've had that happen before too though it didn't smash minetest at the time
20:26 VanessaE it did trash my filesystem :(
20:26 VanessaE thank G*d and rsync for backups
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20:27 VanessaE (it's a laptop in your case, so no excuses :P )
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20:31 VanessaE sorry it's not more constructive than that, but I'm just being honest here
20:32 VanessaE you've got trashed files, you're probably gonna have to do a lot of manual clean-up - i.e. re-installing your OS, restarting worlds from the same seed, restoring your data from previous backups
20:34 Matsetes This will be very terrible!
20:35 VanessaE naw, just time consuming
20:35 Matsetes Yes, lots of hours
20:35 VanessaE this is why you need to make regular backups
20:35 VanessaE and always keep your laptop plugged in when you can
20:36 Matsetes It was plugged in
20:36 VanessaE then why'd it shut off?  bad battery?
20:36 Matsetes But it froze
20:36 VanessaE ohhh
20:36 Matsetes And I had to force it to shutdown
20:36 VanessaE linux?
20:36 Krock my other PC froze too, just some minutes ago.. possibly because of an HDD fail
20:37 Matsetes Yes but not that partiton
20:37 Matsetes I was running Window$ at the moment
20:37 VanessaE damn
20:37 VanessaE ctrl-alt-delete doesn't pull up a crash manager does it?
20:37 Matsetes What is the shortcut for Linux
20:37 VanessaE (for some reason I thought it did)
20:37 Matsetes I never remember it
20:37 Krock VanessaE, that one opens task manager in Windows XP and lower
20:38 VanessaE in linux you'd do Alt-PrintScreen-(R,E,I,S,U,B in order slowly)
20:38 Krock s/lower/older/
20:38 Matsetes crtl-alt-del did nothing at all
20:38 VanessaE Krock: oh, damn.  no equivalent to that ^^^^ in windows either then?
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20:38 Krock idk
20:38 proller ho ho ho TNT HELL on setun:net:30003
20:39 Krock s/:/./1 (where 1 is the limit)
20:40 VanessaE Krock: not needed if you match without /g
20:40 VanessaE only the first match is taken then
20:40 Krock ah
20:41 Krock whatever, I think I'd better play minetest on a 2.4 GHz CPU singlecore instead on a 3.06 GHz singlecore.. seems to be much faster
20:41 VanessaE weird.
20:41 Krock or the graphic card likes the mainboard. no idea.
20:42 VanessaE surely that's down to the type of processor itself or the graphics card
20:42 Krock yeah. the 2.4 one is AMD and the 3.06 a cheap/weak Intel CPU
20:42 VanessaE yeah
20:43 Calinou <VanessaE> in linux you'd do Alt-PrintScreen-(R,E,I,S,U,B in order slowly)
20:43 Calinou never worked for me
20:43 VanessaE put a 2 GHz Phenom against a 3 GHz classic Athlon (e.g. an old 64X2) and the former will probably seem about the same speed
20:43 VanessaE Calinou: depends on the kernel, but usually it works
20:43 Krock lel. just looked up cputbenchmark.net, the 2.4 GHz has 600 points while the other one got 300
20:44 Krock *cpubenchmark
20:44 exio4 try also other ombinations with ctrl
20:44 Krock or alt+f4
20:44 VanessaE Krock: that would explain it
20:44 Krock VanessaE, also the CPU usage when plaing minetest does not stay at 99%.. instead it'a below 70%..wow.
20:45 Krock *it's
20:45 Krock *takes a picture*
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20:47 VanessaE Krock: tried RBA's mesh pull yet?
20:47 VanessaE it might improve things even further.
20:49 Krock VanessaE, yes I got a build from meow.minetest.net
20:51 Krock well, haven't compeared its speed yet
20:51 Krock VanessaE, dat work: http://i.imgur.com/RLjpVXA.jpg self built cooler with an old CPU cooler
20:52 VanessaE heh
20:52 VanessaE well if it works! :)
20:52 VanessaE I should take a picture of the inside of buzzard.  it's a work of art in crowded computer innards :)
20:52 Krock yeah. with a self built heat conductor, it works perfectly
20:52 VanessaE also, dat GPU. wow
20:53 VanessaE dude.  buy something from this century ;)
20:53 Krock the graphics card is not the best afaik, haven't got any other with that slot
20:53 Krock :3
20:54 VanessaE I guess that's AGP?  can't tell for sure
20:54 Krock something with PCI.. maybe express
20:54 VanessaE oh PCIe?
20:54 VanessaE hell everything's on that
20:54 Krock AGB is what I'd like to have.. so many cardy laying around
20:54 Krock *cards
20:54 Krock I'm a strange person :)
20:55 VanessaE heh
20:55 kilbith you have a 660GT right ?
20:55 kilbith 6600*
20:55 Krock kilbith, on the current PC yes
20:55 VanessaE brb
20:55 kilbith it only exist in AGP slot
20:55 Krock It's an AGP version of the card
20:56 kilbith the nvidia 6xxx series was the utimate best cards for AGP
20:56 Krock yeah but the CPU is bad..so it's not efficient at all
20:56 kilbith socket 478 i guess ?
20:57 Krock lemme see
20:57 Krock PLGA775
20:57 kilbith the generation after the 478
20:57 kilbith for Intel
20:58 Krock there's no better CPU to which I could upgrade afaik
20:58 kilbith choose a copper cooler instead of aluminium
20:58 kilbith you will can overclock more
20:59 Krock lel. a completely new PC would be cheaper than extending the stuff here
20:59 kilbith aye
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21:06 VanessaE oops.
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21:07 Krock .spoo
21:08 VanessaE Krock: http://digitalaudioconcepts.c​om/vanessa/extra/P1120651.JPG
21:09 VanessaE that's buzzard.  rainbird is to the left out of frame.
21:10 Krock wow. hugecooler
21:11 VanessaE those two copper ones are two of my gridseed orbs (two more you can just see on the right, inside the drive bays)
21:11 Krock I see, you wanna make sure to not overheat the stuff :3
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21:12 VanessaE heh yep
21:12 TheKingDoof If I resolve an issue in my fork of minetest, how do I do a pull request that also closes the issue it solves?
21:12 Krock close the issue and refer in the pull request to it
21:13 VanessaE that's how they're supplied in fact.  weird thing is, the majority of that copper is on the *back* side of the circuit board of each of those devices, not on the *component* side.
21:13 Krock ..fixed issue #1234
21:13 Krock *"..fixes issue #1234"
21:13 VanessaE TheKingDoof: ^^^^
21:14 TheKingDoof So put "fixes issue #1234" in a commit made to the fork?
21:14 Krock (ailien with 4 eyes)-symbol
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21:14 Krock TheKingDoof, you can refer in your pull request to a specific issue number
21:14 VanessaE TheKingDoof: in the comments/commit message yeahg
21:14 VanessaE -g
21:15 VanessaE whatever issue you're fixing, reference that issue number, not 1234
21:15 TheKingDoof Ok thanks :)
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21:15 PenguinDad Krock: A Spider Ooo_ooO
21:16 Krock PenguinDad, a spider ////Ooo_ooO\\\\
21:17 Krock Why is an ant not allowed to go into a church?
21:17 Krock Because it's an in_sect_
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21:26 kaeza greetings
21:26 VanessaE hi
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21:34 Zephlon is it possible to change the font size used in a hud?
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21:37 SaltyDog001 Bit of help please, new players stuck at spawn until they issue /spawn command? Thank you :)
21:40 kaeza Zephlon, not AFAIK
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22:18 hisforever CAN i MAKE A BIG HOLE IN THE GROUND WITH OUT GIGGING IT FOR A LAKE?
22:18 VanessaE NO YOU CAN'T!!! UNLESS YOU USE WORLDEDIT!!!!
22:18 VanessaE ALSO STOP YELLING!!!
22:18 VanessaE :)
22:18 hisforever i'M IN sINGLE PLAYER MODE WITH DREAMBUILDERS?
22:19 hisforever sorry
22:19 VanessaE heh
22:19 VanessaE just kidding :)
22:19 VanessaE anyway, you could use worldedit to cut a large hole
22:19 hisforever how?
22:20 hisforever /p set then what?
22:20 VanessaE do you remember how I showed you to get rid of that broken desk?
22:20 hisforever yes
22:21 VanessaE you could: fly to one corner, //pos1  then fly to the opposite corner but go down a few meters,  //pos2
22:21 hisforever ok I thni I gotch it
22:21 VanessaE then //set air
22:21 VanessaE that'll make a rectangular hole
22:21 VanessaE you could also do things like,   //pos1 at the center of the lake and use the //sphere command
22:21 hisforever could I invert a spheer?
22:22 VanessaE //sphere 10 air
22:22 hisforever ok thanks
22:22 hisforever ty
22:22 VanessaE would cut a lake ~20 nodes in diameter centered on //pos1
22:22 hisforever ty
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22:22 VanessaE so if you set //pos1 a bit above the surface of the ground, the lake won't be quite as deep as 10 nodes, or as wide
22:22 hisforever brb
22:23 VanessaE play with those commands in a test world first
22:23 hisforever ty
22:23 hisforever Madfe a really nice green house
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22:30 MinetestForFun Hi, i need to change a node, with NodeBoxEditor i've created my node but, i don't know how convert my *nbe file into a node.lua file, ca you help me please ?
22:32 VanessaE MinetestForFun: reload the .nbe file and tell NBE to Export it, select "View" and then copy&paste the text to your code
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