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00:08 * Fritigern has taken pics whilst mommy gave my daughter her very first solid food, mashed banana!!! http://67.170.30.149/P1060873_1280p.JPG
00:09 Fritigern She was like "what the flip i this, mommy? I don;t know this! I like it, i will swallow it, i want more of it, but what is this?"
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00:12 VanessaE Fritigern: awwwwww
00:13 VanessaE she's adorable :D
00:13 Fritigern I was so excited to give her her first solids. I felt she's been ready for some time now (she's 6 months old) and now we've finally did it ;-)
00:15 Fritigern What you can not see in the pic, are her 5 teeth (and a molar is staring to pop through). She's developing so fast!
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00:17 Fritigern She was just a week old when she first started to push her upper body up and look around. And at 3 months, she already insisted on trying to stand. Trying, because she's still a few months away from doing that on her own :-)
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00:22 VanessaE very nice
00:22 VanessaE I think you'll be very proud :)
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00:23 Fritigern I already am :-)
00:23 VanessaE good :)
00:23 jojoa1997 Hola
00:23 jojoa1997 Hi VanessaE
00:23 kaeza hola
00:23 VanessaE hey jojo
00:23 jojoa1997 yo kaeza
00:23 jojoa1997 yo soy kaeza
00:24 kaeza bien... creo
00:25 Fritigern yo soy queso?
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00:29 VanessaE kaeza soy grande queso ;)
00:29 VanessaE fek, that came out wrong
00:31 jojoa1997 queso?
00:32 VanessaE cheese
00:32 jojoa1997 XD
00:32 jojoa1997 VanessaE is big cheese
00:32 kaeza hello, big cheese...?
00:32 jojoa1997 WAIT WAIT
00:32 VanessaE kaeza is the big cheese
00:33 jojoa1997 VanessaE is swiss cheese because she is "Holy"
00:33 VanessaE hah
00:33 VanessaE holy?  me?  HAH!
00:33 jojoa1997 :3
00:38 Fritigern VanessaE: If kaeza is the bog cheese, then are you quesito, the little cheese?
00:40 Fritigern bog? BIG!!!
00:42 VanessaE HAHAH
00:42 VanessaE kaeza: he don't know me very well, does he? ;)
00:59 kaeza heh
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01:19 OldCoder bog cheese would make one sneeze
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01:19 jentron Does minetest run on oracle?
01:20 OldCoder jentron, what is an Oracle?
01:21 jentron A database engine.
01:22 OldCoder Um, no
01:22 OldCoder Ah
01:22 OldCoder Do you mean
01:22 OldCoder will it use Oracle as a backend?
01:22 jentron Yes, that is what I meant
01:22 OldCoder I don't think so, yet
01:23 OldCoder The most common modes are SQLite3 and LevelDB
01:23 OldCoder I can double check if it's important
01:23 Zeno` You don't need to check because you're already right :)
01:23 OldCoder Ah
01:23 OldCoder Looks like there is talk of Oracle
01:24 OldCoder Hm, wait
01:24 OldCoder Upstream has an oracle setting but I've never heard of anybody trying it
01:24 jentron :) I have to learn oracle at work, I'm trying to justify playing. :D
01:24 OldCoder You could port
01:24 OldCoder the game to oracle
01:24 OldCoder and produce an Oracle related package
01:25 OldCoder Surely this would justify a raise
01:25 OldCoder Let me grep the source
01:25 OldCoder The branch I have doesn't show it, jentron
01:25 OldCoder You'd need to do the port
01:25 OldCoder Couldn't
01:25 OldCoder Couldn't hurt to ask
01:25 OldCoder
01:27 jentron I don't think I could get paid to do the port... I need to learn oracle on my own time so I can do boring stuff with it, but that doesn't mean I have to do boring stuff while learning on my own
01:30 OldCoder All right
01:30 OldCoder Port might not be too difficult
01:30 OldCoder If it is similar to SQL
01:30 OldCoder jentron
01:31 jentron Oracle runs vanilla SQL, with their own extensions tacked on, I think
01:31 OldCoder then give it a try
01:31 OldCoder People here will help
01:31 OldCoder As it will extend the core
01:32 OldCoder I can show you how to build
01:32 OldCoder You will need Linux or UNIX
01:32 jentron I've got linux... Server only runs on linux?
01:32 OldCoder Hm? Minetest? Runs on most systems
01:32 OldCoder Including Windows
01:33 OldCoder But really easiest to work on under Linux
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01:33 OldCoder Runs on Kindle for example
01:33 jentron Doesn't run very well on my Samsung Note.
01:33 * OldCoder is not familiar
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01:34 OldCoder Anyway Linux should be fine
01:34 jentron Railroad tracks extend to the sky and the touches really confuse it.
01:34 OldCoder And can test against an Oracle server running on any LAN host
01:34 * OldCoder has not worked on the mobile
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01:35 jentron I'm in the process of pulling Oracle down now. My lan is very slow today
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01:41 ExeterDad having trouble overlaying a 64px texture over a 16px default texture on a node. 16px base texture is completely covered as it appears only 16px of the overlay is used and there is no alpha in that area. tiles = {"base16px.png^overlay64px.png"}
01:41 ExeterDad Any ideas?
01:42 paramat probably necessary to convert the 64 texture to 16
01:42 ExeterDad That's a shame as the textures in the set are 64px
01:43 paramat (or the 16 to 64)
01:44 ExeterDad making more asphalt nodes for streetsmod. I want the aspalt with alpha to overlay whatever grass texture user has installed so it matches.
01:48 paramat AFAIK texture overlay requires the same resolution, no way around that
01:49 VanessaE there is no way around it, however there was at one time some intent on fixing that.
01:49 ExeterDad I accept that. Was hoping it was not the case :(
01:49 VanessaE no doubt RealBadAngel had some pull request pending that would auto-scale overlaid textures so that they all matched
01:50 ExeterDad 16px asphalt nodes will look like ass next to the asphalt in the mod LOL
01:51 ExeterDad Resizing default grass might look okay if used, but horrible next to texturpack grass. I may of lost my motivation on this one.
01:52 ExeterDad Thanks for the confirmation though
01:53 ExeterDad btw... nice to see you guys in realtime :D
01:55 Zeno` Is there any way to check the integrity of a leveldb database?
02:01 paramat if you resize grass to 64, use no interpolation, then it will be visually identical to 16px grass
02:02 paramat bbl
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02:04 jentron Ug, cmake
02:04 Fritigern jentron: It'd be compiled beofre you know it :-)
02:04 jentron :P
02:05 jentron I can't complain too much. MSVC/Visual Studio is next on the hit parade at work
02:06 ExeterDad paramat, I might just do that for now and hope scaling is added in the near future. Thanks to you and VanessaE
02:07 Fritigern jentron: I always use this script to build MT https://gist.github.com/Fri​tigern/4e21484ec27d6416cc49
02:09 jentron Now, what's my github password
02:09 jentron ? :D
02:10 VanessaE password1.
02:10 VanessaE :)
02:10 VanessaE no, wait..
02:10 Fritigern I think it's qwerty
02:10 VanessaE it's.. *looks&
02:10 VanessaE 1-2-3-4-5
02:11 Fritigern Mine is ********
02:12 Fritigern One of my minetest accounts for my own server has "0" as a password :-)
02:12 Fritigern I just hope i will be able to remember that
02:13 Fritigern BTW, jentron, you do not need a password to clone or pull code from Github
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02:14 jentron Fritigern, true but I made a password last month to submit a patch to a project...
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02:14 jentron I usually use gitorious
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02:15 jentron So master is the dev head, and 0.4.10 lives in the stable-0.4 branch?
02:15 VanessaE I believe so
02:18 OldCoder How do I heal an injured sheep?
02:18 OldCoder Heh. I added animals and the kids don't want a sheep to die.
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02:19 OldCoder VanessaE, ever heal a sheep? ^
02:19 VanessaE er...I don't know if you can
02:19 VanessaE maybe right click the sheep while wielding wheat?
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02:19 VanessaE I think that feeds it
02:20 VanessaE might be enough to heal it, idk for sure
02:20 OldCoder We'll see
02:20 OldCoder ty
02:21 jentron I haven't had luck with the animals_modpack-2.4.2
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02:31 Fritigern I have a bit of a farming issue
02:31 Fritigern Wheat refuses to be sown. I have wheat seeds, tilled dirt, well irrigated, but seeds will not sow
02:32 VanessaE I've seen others mention this...
02:32 VanessaE I wonder wtf is going on with this?
02:34 VanessaE is that only with minetest_game or do you also have trouble in, say, dreambuilder?
02:35 Fritigern I have it on my own server, which is based on minetest_game, added a little technic and a lot of myself.
02:35 VanessaE hm.
02:36 VanessaE well it works okay in Dreambuilder at least. :)
02:36 Fritigern There are a total of 3 farming mods: farming, farmin_plus and hydro
02:36 VanessaE (just checked)
02:37 Fritigern Hydro refuses to grow too. I have a grow lamp, it's sown in promix, there's water under the promix, but it's not growing. Perhaps i should try disabling hydro and see if that fixes stuff?
02:39 Fritigern Oh, i can;t right now, there are people online
02:39 VanessaE I can confirm the problem with vanilla minetest_game
02:40 Fritigern Ah, so it is also a vanilla issue then. That bites.
02:40 VanessaE I believe with hydro, the trick is having the grow light exactly the right distance from the promix
02:41 jentron What's the dev package for bzip2 on debian?
02:41 VanessaE I seem to recall 3 or 4 meters.
02:41 Fritigern Yeah there need to be 2 blocks between the promix and the bottom of the lamp
02:41 Fritigern So a frame for the lam needs to be 4 nodes high
02:42 VanessaE I am not sure why it's not working though in vanilla minetest_game
02:42 VanessaE you'll have to file an issue about it
02:43 VanessaE (the seeds I mean)
02:43 VanessaE wait
02:43 Fritigern I think i will remove hydro anyway, it only confuses people. They get seeds and try to plant them, not knowing that they also need promix and a grow lamp, then get annoyed, or die of hunger
02:43 VanessaE they DO work
02:43 VanessaE you have to place them and then they sow themselves after a bit
02:44 Fritigern They get returned to my inventory, and then weed grows
02:44 Fritigern instead of wheat
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02:45 VanessaE lemme let this run for a few mins and see what it does
02:46 VanessaE I wonder if the thing that appeared there was a weed also.
02:46 Fritigern It could also be farming_plus that causes it, i would have to check and experiment
02:47 VanessaE ok, I placed three seeds on irrigated, tilled soil.  after a minute or so, two of them turned into some kind of plant.
02:47 VanessaE the third is still waiting.
02:47 Fritigern LOL! "Some kind of plant" Could be a venus fly trap :-)
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02:48 * Zeno` eats it
02:48 VanessaE I can't tell if these are wheat or just weeds, they're too small
02:48 Zeno` nope doesn't taste like venus fly trap
02:48 VanessaE but the wheat seeds definitely didn't return to my inventory
02:48 Zeno` I feel a bit... weird
02:48 Fritigern Hmmmm.... If you break one and you gt weed, then it is weed :-)
02:48 deasanta lol you need pipeworks to tell the difference
02:48 VanessaE maybe your copy of farming_plus is conflicting
02:48 * VanessaE breaks one of them
02:48 VanessaE I got nothing.
02:48 Zeno` there is a thread on the forums about farming_plus and some things not working
02:49 VanessaE it aint' weeds.
02:49 Fritigern VanessaE: Then it was prolly wheat
02:49 Fritigern It was too young to return any seeds
02:49 Zeno` I don't think it's wheat.. I feel too good for it to have been wheat
02:49 * VanessaE replants and waits a bit more.
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02:50 Zeno` possibly I'm experiencing a placebo-like affect though
02:50 VanessaE Zeno`: you prolly ate a 'shroom :P
02:50 Fritigern LOL!
02:50 VanessaE I TOLD you those green things were weird :P
02:50 Zeno` maybe
02:51 Fritigern Sometimes i feel like such a complainer, as if nothing is ever good enough. But then i remember that if i report an actual issue and it gts fixed, everyone benefits
02:52 VanessaE Fritigern: those planted seeds are definitely growing taller.
02:52 VanessaE so it IS working under vanilla minetest_game
02:53 Fritigern I am currently talking to someone on Pacata, but once i am done, i will try different combinations of farming and food mods
02:55 VanessaE ok
03:04 Hobodium What light level does the overworld get on average at night?
03:05 VanessaE 3 or 4 I think
03:07 Hobodium Thanks
03:07 VanessaE Sep 29 2014 13:56:38 <Taoki>    Anyone know what the moon's light level is? Like
03:07 VanessaE , what's the light level of a node lit only by moon at midnight
03:07 VanessaE Sep 29 2014 13:57:22 <Calinou>  4 or so
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03:17 NANOsoldierEnke What's the method to replace the overwrite of something in the minetest_game with modded code?
03:18 VanessaE NANOsoldierEnke: minetest.override_item()
03:18 VanessaE https://github.com/minetest/minetes​t/blob/master/doc/lua_api.txt#L1346
03:18 VanessaE that's how you redefine an object if you need to
03:19 NANOsoldierEnke Thanks. Just needed a word to search the api for.
03:19 VanessaE and any time you supply a mod with the same name as a mod in minetest_game, your mod will be loaded instead of the one in the game.
03:20 VanessaE bear in mind that this function doesn't exist in 0.4.10, but only in -dev builds
03:21 VanessaE I think.
03:21 VanessaE it'll be in 0.4.11 anyway :)
03:22 NANOsoldierEnke Huh. That may come in handy.
03:24 * Fritigern runs only dev builds of minetest and minetest_game, gets questions about the tefture pack in use :-)
03:24 Fritigern *texture
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03:27 VanessaE WARNING:  Expect a flood attempt.
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03:30 Hobodium Hooray, someones server uses my mod now, I feel so accomplished
03:30 VanessaE cool :)
03:30 Fritigern Which mod is that?
03:31 Hobodium I havn't really published it yet, but it has growable mushrooms
03:32 Fritigern Oh, i thuink i have read about it a short while ago. I had planned to use them for MineTestCraft
03:33 Hobodium I don't know how you read about it, I just made it yesterday and I havn't published it...
03:33 Hobodium Stay out of my house pls :y
03:33 Fritigern Really? Then it much have been a dofferent mod
03:33 Fritigern *different
03:33 VanessaE Hobodium: just FYI plantlife has plantable/growable mushrooms also :)
03:34 VanessaE however yours probably work better :P
03:34 Hobodium I figured someone else made mushrooms at some point, I just wanted a starter project. Plus I have mushroom shovels :y
03:34 VanessaE heheh
03:34 * Fritigern has plantlife, but no shrooms in my world
03:34 VanessaE Fritigern: they only grow under limited conditions, and the mushroom mod is a fairly new addition
03:34 * NANOsoldierEnke just finished a micromod that lets you craft sources.
03:35 NANOsoldierEnke Not sure why; someone requested it. 20 lines of code later, there it was...
03:36 NANOsoldierEnke It was actually kind of scary.
03:39 VanessaE best way to do it really.
03:39 VanessaE someone needs a bit of code, you stepped up, and bam, there it is :)
03:40 VanessaE that's why I write the mods I write.  I just like to make stuff people (myself included) can use.
03:41 Fritigern VanessaE: If i may make a suggestion: include the date of the last edit of the plantlife modpack in the readme file, that way it gets easier to tell if a mod(pack) is outdated or not
03:42 VanessaE Fritigern: I used to do that, but I found myself forgetting to update that date :P
03:42 VanessaE so I rely on the commit log for that now
03:42 Fritigern Yes, but i, as the end user, do not know which version of plantlife i have
03:43 VanessaE you have the same version I do:  0.0.0  :-)
03:43 Fritigern (installed from zip)
03:43 VanessaE (that is to say, I don't use version numbers, just commit dates)
03:43 Fritigern dates are just as good as version numbers
03:43 VanessaE one way to know is to watch the forum thread for updates
03:44 Fritigern My server counts 151 mods. I can not track all of them
03:44 NANOsoldierEnke VanessaE: Used to do that with a version history. Forgot to update that too. :-P
03:44 VanessaE Fritigern: that's a lot :P
03:45 NANOsoldierEnke Ah vell. G'night e'rryone
03:45 Fritigern VanessaE: It used to be 159 :-)
03:45 Zeno` mushrooms!
03:46 VanessaE Zeno`: come down out of the clouds, those magic 'shrooms should have worn off by now ;-)
03:46 Zeno` But... they're all nice and white and fluffy
03:46 Zeno` They tickle my nose
03:46 VanessaE Fritigern: actually, if you tell the forum to subscribe you to the thread for the mod, it'll email you whenever someone posts
03:46 VanessaE so you'll get my update notices then
03:47 VanessaE Zeno`:  ~Mercer@177.39.245.248
03:47 VanessaE fuck
03:47 Fritigern VanessaE: Aparrently, my plantlife was ANCIENT, containing only bushes classic, flowers plus, junglegrass, plants_lib and poisonivy
03:47 VanessaE paste error.   Zeno`:  http://xkcd.com/941/
03:47 Zeno` lol
03:47 VanessaE Fritigern: oh wow.  yeah, updatre that bad boy
03:47 VanessaE -r
03:47 * Fritigern does not wishj to fornicate at this very moment. Can we do that later? :-)
03:48 * Zeno` shuts his eyes
03:48 VanessaE heh
03:48 Fritigern Oh, dos the modpack have to be called "plantlife_modpack", or can i rename it to just "plantlife"?
03:49 VanessaE Fritigern: plantlife has seen major updates in the past weeks.  yes, you can leave the name as plantlife.  I recommend you just delete it, however, and re-download it and re-install.
03:49 VanessaE it's a modpack so the name doesn't actually matter
03:49 Fritigern I was moving the unpacked new plantlife
03:50 Fritigern renamed the old one so that it would be disabled, in case of issues
03:50 VanessaE I'm not sure if merely renaming it will be enough to disable the old copy.  move it out of minetest's reach entirely
03:51 VanessaE (the way I manage my mods, renaming would indeed be insufficient)
03:51 Fritigern Oh, it is enough, trust me ;-)
03:51 VanessaE heh ok
03:51 Zeno` On Linux it is enough to rename to a hidden file (e.g.  .plantlife_old)
03:52 Zeno` well, that's if mods are in the worldmods/ directory anyway... I dunno about normal mods directory but I suspect it would be the same
03:52 VanessaE I wasn't aware that minetest respected that concept.
03:52 Zeno` Does for me :)
03:52 VanessaE (considering how...unorthodox it is in other respects ;) )
03:52 Fritigern Meh, i just named it "plantlife_ANCIENT". This causes the game not to find ot for two reasons: 1- the game does not allow uppercase, and 2- the name is different from what world.mt expects
03:53 VanessaE ah, good call
03:53 Zeno` I wouldn't mind an ancient plantlife modpack
03:53 VanessaE anywho, the new update has much more stuff but with the spread-out generating method you should notice little or no lag
03:53 VanessaE or you can delete the components you don't want, of course
03:53 Zeno` Archaeoviola etc
03:54 * Fritigern didn't notice any plantlife-related lag
03:55 VanessaE Fritigern: the ancient versions didn't actually have many things hooking into the mapgen.  the modern versions have lots of stuff hooking in.  until recently, that caused lots of lag
03:58 * Zeno` feels guilty about the mushrooms
03:58 Zeno` I was updating that but have been on a two week tangent :(
03:59 VanessaE and ferns ;)
03:59 VanessaE weren't you working on some update for that module also? ;)
03:59 Zeno` didn't I already do ferns?
03:59 VanessaE no wait.. not ferns
03:59 VanessaE what was it..
03:59 Zeno` oh wait.. I only did giant tree ferns I think
03:59 Zeno` I can't remember now
03:59 Hobodium So I learned I need to figure out how to do mapgen better.
04:00 Zeno` it was dry plants
04:00 Zeno` that are not dry plants
04:00 VanessaE ah yes
04:00 VanessaE that's the one
04:00 VanessaE Hobodium: just hook into plants_lib ;)
04:00 Fritigern Alright, ready to test and find out which mod prevents me from sowing wheat. Will report my findings as soon as i have something to report
04:00 VanessaE good luck
04:00 VanessaE I'm about to call it a night here
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04:01 Hobodium Thanks for the help, I'll look into plants_lib
04:02 VanessaE ok, I'm off to bed
04:02 VanessaE night all
04:02 Fritigern Sleep well!
04:02 VanessaE let's see if I can actually sleep :)
04:02 VanessaE thanks
04:03 Zeno` night
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04:07 Fritigern Okay. The culprit is, believe it or not: farming_plus
04:08 Fritigern OH! I see VanessaE has made a commit to farming_plus only 9 days ago. Redownloading it, and testing!
04:11 Fritigern That fixed it! VanessaE copnsider yourself hugged!!!!
04:18 Zeno` <Zeno`> there is a thread on the forums about farming_plus and some things not working
04:18 Zeno` I don't get a hug?
04:19 Zeno` The answer has been there all along :p
04:19 Zeno` https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=11&a​mp;t=2787&amp;hilit=farming_plus&amp;start=300
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04:25 jentron Is there a list of debian build dependencies somewhere?
04:26 Zeno` https://packages.debian.org/unstable/main/minetest <-- good start
04:27 Zeno` you will need the development versions as well, of course
04:27 Hobodium Later dudes
04:30 jentron Thanks
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04:36 jentron http://dev.minetest.net/CMake_Options is even better
04:38 Zeno` yes :)
04:38 Zeno` can even make fancy graphs
04:38 Zeno` http://i.imgur.com/BGGHNzc.jpg
04:47 jentron Just a filename to search is better than the obscure cmake whine
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04:53 OldCoder Dragonop, mos_basik moin
04:55 Dragonop what?
04:56 blaise moin, morning, morgen
04:56 blaise gutten morgen
04:57 blaise was ist los?
05:03 Dragonop oh, thanks :-)
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05:05 Zeno` somebody was whining?
05:17 VanessaE well THAT was an utter failure :-/
05:17 * VanessaE can't sleep.
05:19 VanessaE Fritigern: I can't believe I forgot about Blockmen's patch.  G*d I feel stupid :P
05:19 OldCoder blaise, he is Argentina. Spanish language not German :-)
05:20 OldCoder Argentina is furthest South MT'er I have met
05:20 VanessaE OldCoder: zeno is further south.  Oz. :)
05:20 OldCoder The Moin was my own affectation. AU is further south? Very well!
05:20 OldCoder Dragonop, welcome back
05:20 VanessaE I think so *checks map*
05:21 Zeno` I suppose I should say g'day :/
05:21 OldCoder No...
05:21 OldCoder It is
05:21 OldCoder "G'Day Mate!"
05:21 Zeno` lol
05:21 VanessaE hm, maybe not.  depends on the part of Argentina in question I guess :)
05:21 * OldCoder loved Crocodile Dundee
05:21 OldCoder Dragonop, are you farther South than Australia?
05:22 OldCoder He may be asleep
05:22 Zeno` Southern parts of Argentina are at lower longitudes
05:22 Dragonop i think so
05:22 Zeno` err lats
05:22 OldCoder You think that you are asleep? OK
05:22 Dragonop A little
05:22 Dragonop its 2:00am in Argentina
05:23 Zeno` Crikey. That's not sleep, this is a sleep!
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05:23 VanessaE for some reason I thought Argentina was much smaller than is shown here.  didn't realize it goes pretty much all the way down to the southern tip of the continent.
05:23 OldCoder Not a small place no
05:23 Zeno` It's very cold down the bottom as well
05:23 Zeno` penguins live there
05:23 Dragonop small penguins
05:23 OldCoder Zeno`, did you like or dislike Crocodile Dundee?
05:23 Zeno` icebergs live there as well
05:23 Dragonop lol
05:23 OldCoder Icebergs "live" there?
05:24 VanessaE heh
05:24 Zeno` OldCoder, I thought it was funny because we're not like that at all (most of us)
05:24 OldCoder "We shall make a habitat for ourselves!"
05:24 Zeno` I enjoyed it
05:24 OldCoder Zeno`, just as most Silicon Valleyers are not Valley Girls
05:24 OldCoder Hm. That is probably outdated
05:24 OldCoder So you don't say "Crikey that is not a knife. THIS is a knife" ?
05:27 Zeno` OldCoder, they're not?!
05:27 * Zeno` cries
05:27 OldCoder Hm?
05:27 * OldCoder is confused
05:27 VanessaE heh
05:27 Zeno` I thought most Silicon Valleyers were Valley Girls
05:27 OldCoder Dragonop, you are now at the very heart of Minetest. Learn from the masters.
05:27 OldCoder No, Valley Girls are Southern California.
05:28 OldCoder Silicon Valley is entirely North.
05:28 VanessaE Dragonop: ...and prepare to run for your life, because it gets crazy in here :P
05:28 * Zeno` cracks open a beer and pours it on his breakfast cereal
05:28 OldCoder Two different countries
05:28 OldCoder Beer on Cheerios is Beerios
05:28 Zeno` lol
05:28 OldCoder Sounds good
05:28 VanessaE ew.
05:28 Zeno` needs sugar
05:28 * OldCoder does not eat cereal any more. As a boy he had Captain Crunch.
05:28 Zeno` Did you have a code wheel?
05:28 VanessaE there's already fermented sugar in the beer :P
05:29 OldCoder Oh, sure, the one thing that cereals need is more sugar
05:29 OldCoder Code wheel? Is this a real deal? You are joking I feel.
05:29 Zeno` That's what we could do tomorrow. Talk in cipher and everyone can sit here spinning their code wheels to decrypt the messages
05:29 OldCoder This is a 1960s thing
05:29 Zeno` lol
05:29 OldCoder You are surely not that old
05:29 Zeno` No
05:29 Zeno` I've just read about them :)
05:30 OldCoder We actually had them
05:30 Dragonop really?
05:30 OldCoder You could open cereal boxes and find secret decoder rings
05:30 OldCoder Sure!
05:30 Zeno` Yeah, I've read about them in... I think the book was "Hackers" by Stephen somebody
05:30 OldCoder Kids could be in secret clubs
05:30 OldCoder Exclusive to 1M others
05:30 Zeno` I'm still in a secret club
05:31 Dragonop .-.
05:31 OldCoder http://image.timepassagesnostalgia.com​/watermarked/images64/6420ringchex.jpg
05:31 OldCoder Seriously, check it out ^
05:31 Zeno` I'm the developer of the hodor cipher
05:31 OldCoder http://theimaginaryworld.com/pix407.jpg
05:31 OldCoder Hodor Cipher?
05:31 Zeno` I think I've lost the source code though
05:31 * OldCoder awaits details
05:31 OldCoder Oh No
05:31 Zeno` yes... for example:
05:31 Zeno` "HODor, hODOr, HOdor, hODOr, HodoR hodOr, hOdoR HODor, hoDoR, HoDOr, hODor, HodoR, hodOR! HoDOr, hoDor, hoDor, HOdor HoDor, hODOr, hODOr, HOdor!"
05:31 VanessaE the message reads... "Be sure to drink your Ovaltine"
05:32 Zeno` Translates to "HODOR IS HUNGRY! NEED FOOD!"
05:32 OldCoder Ofc
05:32 Zeno` (seriously)
05:32 Zeno` I was very bored one day :(
05:32 OldCoder http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-ERzKIre4I_s/UVaOF​b2X76I/AAAAAAAAjR4/X-UuSS3iQl0/s320/13.jpeg
05:32 Zeno` 7-bit hodor cipher
05:32 OldCoder That one is way older than me ^
05:32 Zeno` it even looks old
05:33 OldCoder http://i144.photobucket.com/albums/r​178/Maynar/DecoderRing2012-02-28.gif
05:33 OldCoder My life is pop culture now
05:33 OldCoder I am truly old
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05:33 Zeno` I hope I haven't lost the hodor cipher source code... perhaps it's on my laptop
05:33 OldCoder It must be rescued
05:33 OldCoder Data should not be lost
05:33 Dragonop Maybe you may write it down in paper
05:34 OldCoder He must nail down the algorithm
05:34 OldCoder Firebat, what is that?
05:34 Dragonop a bat light in fire?
05:35 OldCoder Could be we will see gee
05:35 Zeno` Not on my shared drive
05:36 Zeno` my leap year program is here
05:37 Zeno` http://codepad.org/m0j77nv8
05:37 Zeno` look how elegant that is
05:38 Zeno` an analogue leap year function... none of this bit twiddling rubbish
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05:40 Dragonop What time is it there?
05:40 VanessaE 1:40am here
05:40 Dragonop Saturday?
05:41 VanessaE yeh
05:41 VanessaE +a
05:41 Zeno` I have a clock program as well VanessaE
05:41 Zeno` uses cogs as well, of course
05:41 VanessaE that program is just...evil
05:41 VanessaE analog cogs? in a digital world?
05:42 VanessaE *head explodes*
05:42 Zeno` yeah
05:42 Zeno` I did quite a few programs in my "cog series"
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05:42 * Dragonop loves analog clocks
05:42 Zeno` I was going to make that leap year tester in real life
05:43 Zeno` But I failed making the cogs :(
05:43 VanessaE you want cogs, build a clock out of lego :)
05:43 Zeno` great idea!
05:43 VanessaE like this guy did:  http://www.ericharshbarger.org/lego/clock.html
05:43 Zeno` I can resurrect my cog algorithms and build them all!
05:44 Zeno` errr.. mine might not be that large
05:44 VanessaE every so often I try again to recreate what he did, but I can never seem to get the escapement to behave *just* right due to my lack of the right parts
05:45 Zeno` yeah I remember reading heaps about clocks (and gears and cogs etc etc in general) when I went through my month of "let's do everything as if this wasn't digital" phase
05:46 Zeno` I dunno if I'd have the patience to make a clock as big as he did
05:47 VanessaE I have the patience.  I just don't have the money to buy enough pieces :)
05:47 Zeno` well, hodorcipher source code doesn't seem to be here :/
05:47 VanessaE have you any idea just how much LEGO bricks cost??? :)
05:48 Zeno` no, I used to just take them off the kid next door
05:48 Zeno` just joking! haha
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05:48 Dragonop :D
05:49 Hobodium VanessaE what are you doing back already
05:49 Viper168 hey I know you Zeno`
05:49 Viper168 you're the one who kept stealing my legos
05:49 Viper168 !
05:51 Dragonop Run, Zeno`, run!
05:51 VanessaE Hobodium: couldn't sleep :-/
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05:52 * Zeno` hides behind the sofa
05:52 Zeno` hodor bible still exists, but no hodor cipher :/
05:53 Zeno` 1240 page PDF
05:53 Zeno` I must have been crazy
05:54 Dragonop t-that, weighs a lot right?
05:54 Zeno` yes. I haven't printed it though
05:54 Zeno` It's and unpublished book
05:54 Zeno` an*
05:55 Hobodium What a heavy pdf
05:55 Zeno` heh
05:57 VanessaE well you can work out the math that a PDF would actually have some amount of mass and therefore, weight
05:57 VanessaE (assume it's stored electrically, therefore a set number of electrons per bit.  from there, the mass calculation is trivial)
05:57 Zeno` yes... trivial
05:57 * Zeno` will leave that for you to calculate
05:58 VanessaE trivial if you know the formula, which I don't :)
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06:00 Zeno` I think it's E = mc^2
06:00 Zeno` oh oh oh
06:01 Zeno` guess what
06:01 Zeno` my refactored the_game() now connects to servers and downloads media etc etc etc
06:01 Zeno` I haven't worked on it today though... too lazy
06:01 Dragonop the_game?
06:03 VanessaE Zeno`: I'm pretty sure E=mc^2 is only part of the formula... knowing the mass of an electron would also be handy :-)
06:03 VanessaE and that's the formula for mass at a given velocity, not the formula for rest mass
06:03 VanessaE :)
06:04 OldCoder Um, you folks
06:04 OldCoder Some of you
06:04 OldCoder Know how literal the Old Coder is
06:04 OldCoder Is there really a 1,000-page cipher?
06:04 OldCoder
06:05 Dragonop Pi?
06:05 Zeno` OldCoder, there is really a hodor cipher, but the hodor bible is not written in that cipher
06:05 OldCoder All right
06:05 OldCoder Dragonop, pi never ends
06:05 OldCoder Kenneth and I used to compete at memorizing it
06:05 OldCoder 100 digits are sometimes with me still
06:06 Zeno` the hodor cipher is simply 7 bit (in reverse) "encoded" letters h o d o r  where lowercase characters are 0 and uppercase are 1
06:06 OldCoder It seems... um, simple
06:06 OldCoder So your texts are not lost?
06:06 Zeno` yeah but I will have to rewrite the encode/decode (I could have done it in the time I'm spent searching for it lol)
06:07 Zeno` I've*
06:07 sol_invictus anyone can tell how to generate inventory image from a nodebox definition?
06:09 Zeno` so from memory Hodor == 'A' hOdor == 'B' HOdor == 'C' and so on
06:10 Zeno` pretty silly
06:10 OldCoder OldCoder respects Old hOdor
06:10 OldCoder inventory image
06:10 OldCoder Hm
06:10 * OldCoder needs to learn that
06:10 OldCoder 2D right?
06:11 Dragonop nodeboxes aren't 3D?
06:12 kaeza sol_invictus, you can't (yet)
06:14 kaeza sol_invictus, there's only `[inventorycube`, but it's for full cubes
06:14 sol_invictus dammit, the one games generate in incredibly small
06:14 sol_invictus game generates*
06:15 kaeza you could try taking a screenshot of the inventory, editing as needed, and using it as inventory_image
06:15 kaeza or render an appropriate image using e.g. blender or something
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06:16 kaeza (it would show up as a flat extruded mesh in the hand though, instead of a proper 3D item)
06:16 sol_invictus is there anyway to import nodebox definition to blender?
06:17 sol_invictus (instead of recreating it)
06:17 kaeza nope
06:17 sol_invictus uh-oh, everything is so complicated
06:21 sol_invictus amazingly small bottle of wine :D http://i.imgur.com/SD6vXFj.png
06:22 kaeza uh, "removed"
06:22 sol_invictus woah, imgur over capacity. that was unexpected.
06:22 kaeza ·_·
06:22 sol_invictus https://mediacru.sh/ls4AplttpD6R
06:23 kaeza for that case though, it'd be better to create a plain image
06:24 Dragonop +1
06:26 sol_invictus true
06:27 sol_invictus but anyway I had cases when I needed generated image
06:27 sol_invictus you said yet, is anything gonna change soon?
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06:29 Dragonop sol_invictus,are you creating a mod?
06:29 sol_invictus nope, I'm modding a mod (:
06:31 Dragonop I want to see that amazingly small bottle of wine
06:31 Dragonop :)
06:32 Krock meow
06:33 Dragonop meow
06:33 sol_invictus Dragonop: this is what it looks like https://cdn.mediacru.sh/pwmLPbKKVuyZ.png
06:34 sol_invictus Krock: hello kitty
06:35 Dragonop nice bottle
06:36 Krock sol_invictus, it's not round.
06:36 Dragonop minetest is about cubes
06:36 kaeza sol_invictus, I recall there was a discussion about that recently, but can't find the topic/issue
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06:36 Dragonop i dont like round things in minetest
06:36 sol_invictus I have no idea how many nodeboxes it would be if round
06:36 * kaeza pets Krock
06:36 Krock rrr
06:37 Krock purr
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06:37 Dragonop I have a cat, now it's trying to climb up my head
06:38 sol_invictus I had a cat, but he's gone now ):
06:38 Dragonop im so sorry
06:40 Krock I never had a cat and it never gone :)
06:41 Dragonop sol_invictus what program you use to make nodeboxes?
06:42 sol_invictus at first I used nodeboxeditor by rubenwardy to understand how nodeboxes works
06:42 sol_invictus the bottle I programmed by hands in geany lol
06:43 sol_invictus textures based on some bottle from homedecor mod
06:43 Dragonop homedecor has bottles?!
06:45 VanessaE yes
06:46 VanessaE and it will have more soon
06:46 VanessaE it has a green one and a brown one
06:46 VanessaE they were supposed to be beer and cola, but I decided at the time that I wanted them to be more generic
06:47 Dragonop Maybe you can make a lot of bottles , all togueter to simulate a ledge full of them
06:47 Dragonop *together
06:48 VanessaE actually that's the plan :)
06:48 VanessaE also I will be adding a wine rack
06:48 sol_invictus I think nodeboxeditor needs ability to clone nodeboxes
06:49 VanessaE e.g. something of this nature:  https://www.google.fr/search?es_sm=122&amp;tbm​=isch&amp;q=wine+cellar&amp;revid=1490005681&a​mp;sa=X&amp;ei=CEwTVL7aM87qaICagTg&amp;ved=0CC​AQ1QIoAA&amp;dpr=1&amp;biw=1024&amp;bih=685
06:49 VanessaE sol_invictus: that would be useful, yes
06:49 VanessaE Dragonop: I will be adding at least a couple of nodes with several bottles gathered together, but I haven't decided how to do that yet
06:50 Dragonop o: bottles ||:air    o||o||o||o
06:50 Cylus Google.fr ... Are you French, VanessaE?
06:50 VanessaE Cylus: no, sorry.
06:50 Dragonop o||o||o
06:50 Dragonop ||o||o||
06:50 VanessaE it's just a search result I had open from before that jp gave me.  the wine rack was his idea
06:51 VanessaE (he's French, hence the .fr came from him :) )
06:52 Cylus A wine rack would be kind of cool. Especially in a basement.
06:52 Cylus It's way past my bed time though. Good night, all!
06:53 OldCoder nite
06:53 OldCoder zzz
06:53 Dragonop good nite
06:53 OldCoder <Dragonop> I have a cat, now it's trying to climb up my head
06:53 OldCoder Cats on my head
06:53 OldCoder Cats on my bead
06:53 OldCoder Cats on my bed *
06:53 OldCoder Cats books being read
06:54 OldCoder Cats saying meow what is this stuff
06:54 OldCoder You have no idea
06:54 OldCoder Being a cat is rough
06:54 OldCoder
06:54 OldCoder Cats practicing the arts
06:54 OldCoder Cats riding in arts
06:54 OldCoder Cats on the stairs
06:54 OldCoder Cats in the airs
06:54 OldCoder
06:54 OldCoder Cats here and there
06:54 OldCoder Cats everywhere
06:54 OldCoder
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06:54 OldCoder *carts
06:54 OldCoder z
06:55 Dragonop Cat songs
06:55 OldCoder To songs cats belongs
06:55 * OldCoder is half under
06:55 OldCoder Dreams asunder
06:56 VanessaE oh no, he's going all silly again :)
06:57 Dragonop run!!
06:57 * Dragonop is running in circles
06:59 Dragonop 4:00am, only 3 hours to get up...
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07:06 * VanessaE tosses Dragonop a bottle of Zzzquil
07:06 VanessaE tastes nasty but it's effective
07:06 Dragonop UH!
07:06 Dragonop What's goin on!
07:07 * Dragonop drinks
07:07 * Zeno` runs in circles as well
07:08 sol_invictus I wonder, has anyone tried to simulate drunkeness in minetest?
07:08 Zeno` I am like a spinning top!
07:08 Zeno` weeeeeeeeeee
07:08 Dragonop weeeeeeeeee
07:08 * Zeno` is pirouetting so fast that the whole world blurs into a single colour
07:09 Dragonop rainbow colour :B
07:09 sol_invictus Zeno, are you British? :O
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07:11 Zeno` Australian
07:12 Zeno` Do the British spin as well?
07:13 Zeno` They must be jolly good chaps if they do
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07:13 Zeno` and chapettes*
07:13 sol_invictus ah, no, I noticed 'ou' :D
07:15 Zeno` oh
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07:15 Zeno` maybe they spin though
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07:40 Krock mhm /me wants to add a humidity noise to his mapgen but he's absolutely out of ideas of biomes he could add
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07:45 sol_invictus Krock: is it possible to make whole world covered in snow?
07:45 Krock sol_invictus, yes sure
07:46 sol_invictus nice, I have an idea for a survival game
07:46 Krock let me guess: in snow.
07:46 Krock with throwing snowballs
07:47 sol_invictus hmm, didn't think about snowballs :P
07:47 Krock lol
07:48 sol_invictus the main idea is survival in cold climate
07:48 sol_invictus it would require implementing temeperature bar for players
07:49 Dragonop Kaeza has a mod that shows humidity and temp
07:49 sol_invictus I guess it will be very hard to survive xD
07:49 Dragonop its in his modpack ''kaeza's misc stuff'' if you want to use it
07:50 sol_invictus hmm, I guess the best would be to create an addon for better_hud mod
07:53 sol_invictus Dragonop: didn't find anything temperature related in there
07:53 Dragonop wait a min
07:59 Dragonop my mistake, its called tempidity
07:59 Dragonop i dont now from where i take that it was a kaeza's mod
08:00 Dragonop https://forum.minetest.net/vie​wtopic.php?f=9&amp;t=9439&amp;
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08:02 sol_invictus lol
08:02 sol_invictus there is > break --nope.avi
08:03 sol_invictus does break actually work in lua?
08:03 sol_invictus I thought there is no such thing
08:03 kaeza yes
08:04 kaeza but no `continue` though :(
08:05 sol_invictus eh, what is the problem, lua
08:05 sol_invictus why'd they make break but not continue
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08:41 Zeno` continue is trickier to implement
08:41 Zeno` break is just goto really
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08:44 ElectronLibre Good [morning|afternoon|evening|night|night trapped in a cave] everyone.
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09:34 LemonLake Is there like, a mod suggestions board or something?
09:36 ElectronLibre On the forum?
09:37 LemonLake yes, I found a thread after some digging
09:37 LemonLake though some of the suggestsions here just make me angry :P
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09:37 LemonLake ooohh, birds sounds neat
09:41 * sfan5| meows at LemonLake
09:41 * LemonLake meows at sfan5
09:41 LemonLake +|
09:41 sfan5| :3
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10:15 meldrian cats. cats everywhere
10:15 * ElectronLibre meows at meldrian.
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10:21 Zeno` I have a furball :(
10:25 Krock Zeno`, that's a spambot
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11:23 RumiaGloop meow
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11:36 PenguinDad I love how I can't sneak in the android version :D
11:42 lemonlake PenguinDad: you can?
11:42 lemonlake its the button that looks almost like a house in the bottom right
11:43 lemonlake ItsLuke: the fuck you doing?
11:43 ItsLuke lemonlake, Nothing :P
11:45 PenguinDad lemonlake: that button is unresponsive
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11:56 Fritigern Well, i guess i performed my first mod hack :-) It bothered me that cottages has only a steel hammer. So i added an obsidian one. :-)
11:57 Fritigern I prolly made it way OP, but i can always adjust it :-)
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12:10 Megaf Hi all
12:10 kilbith hi Megaf
12:10 ElectronLibre Hello Megaf.
12:11 kilbith Megaf: tried your own build ?
12:11 Megaf ElectronLibre: PenguinDad, kilbith, you all should have Tox and add me
12:11 Megaf for freedoms sake
12:11 kilbith i'll try Tox later
12:11 ElectronLibre I have Tox.
12:12 Megaf My Tox 1DC9A272ABC30724E383B52DC14BA35E47E549​2AF4F87BFA77851607ABB9651F9974DA354A4F
12:13 ElectronLibre Thank you :).
12:13 kilbith ouch
12:13 ElectronLibre The tox ID are enormous kilbith, it's normal.
12:13 kilbith crypty-feeling
12:18 SylvieLorxu Megaf: I have you on Tox but you never seem online. For the sake of being able to clean up my friend list a bit, which is filled with dead entries, did you remove me? :P
12:18 Megaf SylvieLorxu: Actually I didnt
12:19 Megaf maybe I have you on other PC, hold on a second please
12:19 kilbith Tox seems focused on 'out of the gov control' and privacy
12:19 Megaf exactely
12:19 kilbith but we should do not care about that if we aren't terrorist or so
12:20 SylvieLorxu Oh God not this again
12:20 SylvieLorxu That argument says that there are two kind of people
12:20 SylvieLorxu Those who are terrorists, and those who never do anything wrong or embarassing
12:20 kilbith i said 'or so'
12:20 ElectronLibre We have all the right to protect our private life using whatever we want, we are not terrorist, we are humans, we have right.
12:20 SylvieLorxu Yet, most people I know have things they'd only do with some privacy
12:20 SylvieLorxu Like singing a song
12:21 ElectronLibre *We all have
12:21 SylvieLorxu Or... other perfectly legal, yet embarassing things
12:21 SylvieLorxu https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pcSlowAhvUk <- Related
12:21 ElectronLibre !title
12:21 MinetestBot ElectronLibre: Glenn Greenwald: Why privacy matters - YouTube
12:22 ElectronLibre Interesting.
12:23 kilbith when you use a network, you shall accept that your privacy is not respected at all
12:23 kilbith or use the paper
12:23 kilbith that's the rule
12:24 SylvieLorxu Really? I never accepted that rule
12:24 SylvieLorxu There are enough ways to protect yourself
12:25 kilbith the world is dangereous now, terrorists use very well the network
12:26 kilbith we have to accept less freedom for more security, and some ways that states are taking to stop these criminals or terrorists
12:26 SylvieLorxu Pff
12:26 SylvieLorxu Nonsense
12:26 ElectronLibre kilbith, you're not forced to share all your life with the governement, of course you will be tracked, but you can protect yourself, because if you have the right that your privacy will be respected when you use paper, you have the same right when you use the internet.
12:26 SylvieLorxu The rate of crime has only been going down
12:26 Zeno` terrorists?
12:26 Zeno` what a load of FUD :P
12:26 SylvieLorxu But if you have nothing to hide, please give me the password of all your email and web accounts
12:26 SylvieLorxu If you're doing nothing wrong, you have nothing to hide, right?
12:26 SylvieLorxu So I won't find anything bad in there
12:26 Zeno` but, wait, think of the children!
12:27 kilbith " give me the password of all your email and web accounts"  do not jump into the extreme example so easily
12:27 Zeno` if you're afraid of terrorists and your country makes restrictive laws to combat "them", then they've already won
12:28 Zeno` I'm looking at the USA here
12:28 SylvieLorxu kilbith: You just said only terrorists have things to hide
12:28 SylvieLorxu If you're not a terrorist, then you can safely share your passwords and let me look through your accounts
12:28 ElectronLibre kilbith, don't jump into the extreme too, you are tracked, but you can at least protect yourself a little..
12:28 Megaf SylvieLorxu: you are on another computer :)
12:28 kilbith SylvieLorxu : if you works on the gov and/or mandated for this, I do
12:29 Zeno` think of the kittens!
12:29 SylvieLorxu kilbith: Why not share with me anyway? Are you a terrorist who has things to hide?
12:29 Zeno` we must read all your stuff because the kittens may be in danger if we don't!
12:30 SylvieLorxu I thought good people like you shouldn't worry because they have nothing to hide
12:30 SylvieLorxu Then I can't find anything bad either
12:30 ElectronLibre First, think of the nodes!
12:30 Zeno` Actually I wouldn't mind reading you email, kilbith
12:30 kilbith SylvieLorxu : i do not want to share my privacy with non-gov people, untrustable
12:30 Zeno` is that ok/?
12:30 Zeno` I am a gov person
12:30 SylvieLorxu kilbith: I thought good people didn't need privacy?
12:31 Zeno` I trust you, so you should trust me. I'm thinking of the kitties
12:31 Zeno` If you haven't eaten a cat then you should have no worries about me reading your email
12:32 Zeno` On the other hand, I *have* eaten a cat :3
12:32 Zeno` Gave me furball problems
12:33 kilbith something like Manichean in the freedom fighters thoughts... certainty that the govs are fundamentally evil
12:33 * Zeno` coughs
12:33 Zeno` sorry... furball
12:35 kilbith in this principle, it would annoys me to not use Google, Youtube, facebook...
12:35 kilbith their alternatives sucks a bit
12:36 SylvieLorxu Governments aren't fundamentally evil, but one should not forget that the most important part for the government is keeping itself intact
12:36 SylvieLorxu Citizens come second
12:36 Dragonop iul{ppṕ}
12:36 Dragonop Sorry, it was my cat
12:36 Krock meow
12:36 SylvieLorxu You can safely use "Google" (which services do you even mean) and YouTube if you use it with Tor
12:37 * sfan5 meows at Dragonop
12:37 SylvieLorxu Facebook, well, using that is just suicide
12:37 * Dragonop purrs
12:37 SylvieLorxu "Terms and Conditions May Apply" is a good documentary showing why
12:38 SylvieLorxu (Which will take you less time to watch than it'll take you to actually read the Facebook Terms and Conditions, possibly)
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12:40 kilbith "but one should not forget that the most important part for the government is keeping itself intact"  <- govs are often in right, citizens must are just a relative 'adjustment variable', the govs must be an absolute entity
12:40 kilbith (sort of)
12:40 SylvieLorxu https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bau6K8OXnv4 <- This shows the insanity of mass surveillance
12:40 SylvieLorxu An 8 year old terror subject, seriously?
12:40 SylvieLorxu s/subject/suspect/
12:42 kilbith 8 year kid can be an influencable tool for terrorists
12:42 SylvieLorxu Okay, I give up
12:42 SylvieLorxu That one comment told me enough
12:43 kilbith that's the reality, here you live, it's the peaceful paradise
12:43 SylvieLorxu Pff
12:43 Zeno` Who are the terrorists?
12:43 SylvieLorxu I feel sorry for you, really
12:43 kilbith ditto
12:43 Zeno` Who are the terrorists?
12:43 SylvieLorxu You mindlessly believe what people in power tell you, history should've told you otherwise
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12:44 kilbith I do not want to define the terrorists there, it's off-topic and can affect some sensibilities
12:44 kilbith govs can define very well them
12:44 Zeno` Nah, I'd like to know who the terrorists are
12:44 kilbith not here
12:44 Zeno` Why not?
12:44 SylvieLorxu lol, sure they can, that's why that 8 year old kid is on a watchlist
12:44 kilbith it's off-topic
12:45 Zeno` Well, since the conversation has been about them for the last hour I don't think it's offtopic
12:45 kilbith we talked about privacy on internet, not much offtopic than this subject
12:45 Zeno` So you won't say it here because your idea of a terrorist is racist?
12:46 kilbith ?!
12:46 Zeno` If not, tell me who the terrorists are
12:46 kilbith where did you see I'm talked about racism ?!
12:46 ElectronLibre We were talking about Tox, and now we are talking about terrorism and racism, I really don't understand. :°
12:46 Zeno` Your reluctance to tell me who the terrorists are tells me all I need to know
12:46 kilbith do not say lies to decredibilize me please
12:47 Zeno` Prove me wrong then and tell me who the terrorists are
12:47 SylvieLorxu ElectronLibre: Some people freak out about people taking back their right to privacy
12:47 kilbith I never talked about racism
12:47 Zeno` I dunno who the terrorists are and I'd really like to know
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12:47 ElectronLibre No, but the topic came from nowhere x)..
12:48 PenguinDad ElectronLibre: no it came from kilbith
12:48 kilbith I do not want to argue with someone who think that I'm racist
12:48 Zeno` Just tell me so I can protect myself!
12:48 Dragonop Maybe you can use Tor
12:49 ElectronLibre The answer of every of this conversation is simple, we can use Tox, Tor, and everything to protect ourself, and there will always be some tracking from gov and thoses how make the internet.
12:50 SylvieLorxu We can avoid 95% of the tracking pretty easily, though. But yeah, the last 5% will be more difficult for most :P
12:51 Dragonop Being realistic, if you live outside the United States, you can avoid the tracking easily
12:52 SylvieLorxu Or if you live in one of those 7 countries that aren't tracked
12:52 ElectronLibre But in the U.S., it's more complicated ^^. (I just say hello to the NSA who is now watching us :°.)
12:52 SylvieLorxu Because "there are no terrorists there", of course
12:52 SylvieLorxu (It's so clearly about power)
12:54 Dragonop It's weird how Google says to you constantly that they are watching you
12:55 ElectronLibre SylvieLorxu, which countries are you talking about exactly?
13:00 SylvieLorxu http://techcrunch.com/2014/06/30/court-al​lowed-nsa-to-spy-on-all-but-4-countries/ 'Only four countries in the world — Britain, Canada, Australia and New Zealand — were exempt from the agreement, due to existing no-spying agreements that the Post highlights in this document about the group of countries, known as “Five Eyes” with the U.S.'
13:00 SylvieLorxu Sorry, 4, not 7
13:00 SylvieLorxu Those countries have their own divisions
13:00 SylvieLorxu But still
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13:00 * ElectronLibre isn't in one of them :°...
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13:26 Zeno` I take back my suggestion that perhaps kilbith is racist
13:26 Zeno` I think the problem is more like a lack of understanding of other people's points of view
13:27 PenguinDad If only terrorists have somthing to hide than most chinese people would be terrorists :/
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13:54 OldCoder Should I use mapgen 7 vs. 6?
13:54 shadowzone Don
13:54 shadowzone Don't used v7.
13:54 OldCoder kk y ?
13:54 shadowzone Unless you want a all stone world.
13:54 OldCoder It is buggy?
13:55 shadowzone Yes.
13:55 OldCoder kkty
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14:11 Krock wat? v7 is not buggy
14:12 Dragonop it's WIP
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14:23 Dragonop Hey, want to make some music with other people, check this out: http://labs.dinahmoe.com/plink/
14:23 Dragonop It's a multiplayer ''game''
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15:17 Krock so, finally that stuff worked
15:17 Krock https://github.com/SmallJoker/yappy/commit/bbf1ab
15:28 Krock Dragonop, clicked that link last time some months ago .. a funny game :)
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15:40 Dragonop :)
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15:59 harrison https://freedomboard.kirara.​ca/ask/src/1410697408164.png
15:59 harrison good luck ebola-chan!
16:00 sfan5 harrison: wat
16:00 harrison wat wat
16:01 harrison do you mean wat travel or wat ebolachan?
16:01 harrison oic
16:01 harrison u mean ebola-chan
16:01 harrison well, she is the anime mascot of the ebola virus
16:02 harrison i am surpried that you haven't seen her before
16:02 harrison all the rage memewise
16:02 sfan5 do you think I browse 4chan daily
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16:03 * ElectronLibre remember that a woman is at the hospital because of Ebola in a country at 200Km next to him. >_>
16:04 VanessaE good afternoon all
16:04 ElectronLibre And, why do you say "good luck ebola-chan"? O_o
16:04 ElectronLibre Hello VanessaE :).
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16:04 SylvieLorxu ElectronLibre: It's some messed up 4chan thing
16:05 ElectronLibre I had understood that.. o.o
16:05 SylvieLorxu That's basically all there is to it
16:06 SylvieLorxu Asking 4chan to make sense is like asking a bear to drive a car
16:06 SylvieLorxu Related: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fdMp-4k55Oo
16:06 ElectronLibre !title
16:06 MinetestBot ElectronLibre: Gravity Falls - Seeing-Eye-Bear! - YouTube
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16:15 shadowzone Hi.
16:16 shadowzone jojoa1997, what's the channel's name again I am using a different PC with different settings.
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16:20 jojoa1997 ##shadowempire
16:20 jojoa1997 shell_
16:20 jojoa1997 oh sorry
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16:30 OldCoder Hi. Twice, now, a world of mine has simply stopped responding without error messages. No high CPU. Is there a debug switch to add to produce more output to indicate where it locks up?
16:31 Calinou debug_log_level = 4
16:31 Calinou most verbose, default is 2
16:31 Calinou 0 to disable logging
16:31 Calinou then read debug.txt
16:32 OldCoder Calinou, so should add 0 for the other worlds?
16:32 OldCoder To allow me to focus on the errant one?
16:33 OldCoder I shall proceed, thank you
16:33 OldCoder The lockups are not hard. SIGINT is received but not performed.
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16:35 kaeza greetings
16:35 OldCoder greetings
16:35 OldCoder Calinou, thanks
16:36 OldCoder kaeza, SilverCrab has simply stopped responding twice. No high CPU and it receives signals. Calinou has advised debug_log_level = 4
16:36 * OldCoder is resting a bit
16:36 Calinou hi
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16:50 jordan4ibanez Wuh oh http://www.reddit.com/r/admincraft​/comments/2iwpk4/wolvereness_got_l​etter_from_mojangs_attorney_that/
16:50 jordan4ibanez Hopefully Microsoft doesn't try to come into Minetest
16:51 Calinou and /r/admincraft…
16:52 jordan4ibanez In other news http://www.gorillaoffroadcompany.​com/product-detail.cfm/prd_key/44
16:52 jordan4ibanez That looks amazing!
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16:55 rubenwardy Hi all!
16:56 ElectronLibre Hello rubenwardy :).
16:56 kaeza ehlo
16:58 Calinou http://www.reddit.com/user/_Grum
16:58 Calinou hahaha dat downvotes on the EULA stuff (1 month ago)
16:59 Calinou but I also see… “RIP seamless stone slabs. You will be missed.” → which is where I got the Stone Tile idea from when I started More Blocks.
17:00 * Krock wonders why settings aren't saving after changing one with /'set'
17:00 Krock *"/set"
17:01 Krock !server Because
17:01 MinetestBot Krock: Because lol. | 85.6.218.161:61562 | Clients: 0/15, 1/2 | Version: 0.4.10-dev_MSVC / base | Ping: 55ms
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17:01 Krock ^ testing yappy mapgen there
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17:04 Calinou it is not made to save them —celeron55
17:04 kaeza that guy nailed it
17:05 Dragonop hey krock, can i join?
17:05 Krock Dragonop, sure.
17:05 Dragonop thanks!
17:06 PenguinDad Krock: y not for da lulz? :P
17:06 Krock PenguinDad, cuz such kitty speek
17:06 kaeza companies just add clauses to the EULAs with the excuse of "reducing piracy". but guess what? the "pirates" (I disagree with the term, BTW) are unaffected, while legit customers are fucked
17:07 VanessaE companies don't realize the simple truth:
17:07 VanessaE "If I can see it, I can copy it."
17:07 VanessaE the copy may not be perfect, but that's immaterial.
17:09 VanessaE (meanwhile, those of us who just want to play the media we legally purchased are often prevented from even seeing it in the first place)
17:10 Calinou <VanessaE> "If I can see it, I can copy it."
17:10 Calinou the magic of the analog hole
17:11 kilbith -og
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17:14 kaeza I wonder if watching a movie is illegal. since you're technically copying it to your brain :P
17:14 * kaeza should not give them ideas
17:14 Calinou kaeza, “This map may not be copied without permission”, says a game map.
17:14 Calinou downloading it is copying it
17:14 VanessaE it is if you're using Linux. :-/
17:14 SylvieLorxu It is on any OS
17:15 SylvieLorxu I sometimes have people tell me that, because they're streaming a video, they're not downloading it
17:15 SylvieLorxu I guess this is why there's this mess
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17:15 SylvieLorxu Even lawmakers don't even know what they're writing laws about
17:15 kaeza -----+
17:15 kaeza oops
17:17 kaeza how long before
17:17 kaeza you are charged by frame for watching a movie/playing a game, etc?
17:18 kaeza also. this stupid keyboard...
17:20 kaeza byyyyy the way. anything interesting happening today?
17:21 Calinou 48 fps movies would cost more then
17:21 PenguinDad There only was something interesting for me yesterday :D
17:21 ElectronLibre table.len(day("today").happening[]) ==> 0
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18:03 Hobodium So, for v6 mapgen, does it create the map, add all the stuff like flowers, then make the caves in that order?
18:04 Calinou Hobodium, v6 mapgen in C++ is only hills, water, caves, lava and so on
18:04 Calinou fixtures like cacti, papyrus, flowers, ores, clay are generated afterwards using Lua
18:04 Calinou trees are grown in C++ too initially (but they use Lua when they grow from saplings)
18:05 Hobodium Okay, so caves are generated before anything lua defined is placed. Hrmm. Thank you very much, Calinou
18:09 Calinou Lua mapgens work by using singlenode mapgen, which places air (or another one) everywhere, the fastest
18:09 Calinou then the mapgen overrides these
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18:31 Krock dat speed. 20:31:01: ACTION[EmergeThread0]: (-272,48,208) generated in 250 ms
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18:37 Krock Dragonop, I meant the player left :3
18:37 Dragonop i now :3
18:38 Dragonop Krock, my inv was bugged
18:38 Krock oh
18:51 Calinou https://cdn.mediacru.sh/eamksdK4_asb.png
18:51 Calinou me playing
18:54 alket whats that icon above hearts ?
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18:56 rubenwardy Armour?
18:56 ElectronLibre The icons over the hearts?
18:56 PenguinDad Amour :P
18:56 ElectronLibre That's the armor level.
18:57 alket is there a armor ?
18:57 alket i couldnt make it work
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19:08 paramat lol! https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.p​hp?f=3&amp;t=156&amp;p=157864#p157814 error: error in error
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19:28 riff hi is there a way to install textures system wide or where are the default textures in 0.4.9
19:29 VanessaE riff: put your texture pack into <mintest folder>/textures  e.g.  <minetest folder>/textures/Misa  or similar, and then select them in the menu
19:29 ElectronLibre Default textures are in ./games/<anygame>/mods/<anymod>/textures
19:29 VanessaE and please use 0.4.10 or later
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19:29 PenguinDad because everything is better than 0.4.9 :D
19:30 PenguinDad o/ EvergreenTree
19:30 * EvergreenTree gives PenguinDad a penguin (a tux to be exact)
19:31 EvergreenTree I have discovered the awesomeness that is vim.  I always knew it was around ,but I had no idea you could customize it so much
19:31 EvergreenTree I love it
19:31 Tux[Qyou] :)
19:31 PenguinDad Penguinception unlocked!
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19:33 riff VanessaE, yes but that will only work on my client not the other users because I used software center also I want to edit the defaults
19:34 VanessaE I know there's a way to do a server-wide texture pack
19:34 VanessaE maybe <minetest folder>/textures/all or <minetest folder>/textures/server
19:34 VanessaE I can't remember now but it's supposed to be pretty simple
19:35 VanessaE but at any rate don't use the version of minetest in the software center, it's outdated.
19:35 VanessaE get 0.4.10 from the stable PPA
19:35 VanessaE or a -dev version from the daily-builds PPA
19:35 EvergreenTree Or compile it yourself
19:35 VanessaE or that ^^^
19:35 EvergreenTree it isn't that difficult
19:35 EvergreenTree but you can use the PPA if you like
19:36 EvergreenTree You can use this: https://forum.minetest.net/v​iewtopic.php?f=3&amp;t=3837
19:36 EvergreenTree that is for the latest git version of course
19:39 EvergreenTree Then you can update it using "cd path_to_minetest/; git pull; make-j$(grep -e "/proc/cpuinfo")"
19:39 EvergreenTree (after using Calinou's script of course)
19:40 riff yeah last time I checked the website it said get 0.4.9 and thats only a version down from 10
19:41 VanessaE riff: believe me, 0.4.9 is ollllllld :)
19:41 riff not long ago I had 0.4.5
19:41 riff but maybe I'll update
19:42 riff whats the diffrence between them
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19:43 ElectronLibre riff, are you from the past? x) The stable version is now the 0.4.10, believe us, and it is better than the 0.4.9 ^^
19:43 VanessaE riff: http://dev.minetest.net/Changelog#0.4.9_.E2.86.92_0.4.10
19:43 Xavi Hi john
19:43 JohnWD Are you there Calinou?
19:43 JohnWD And hey Xavi again
19:43 riff yes I was born in the past
19:43 VanessaE riff:  ^^^^ that link shows everything that changed between 0.4.9 and 0.4.10
19:46 Calinou yes JohnWD
19:47 riff seems like I'll be updating the server then :-|
19:47 JohnWD Come play BigPappa Server :) he using Your Gamemode. but I am working on a Nation. anyways maybe see you there ;)
19:47 JohnWD ^Calinou
20:14 Tux[Qyou] Calinou why are you so calinou?
20:17 Calinou JohnWD, sorry, already found a server I like
20:17 Calinou I don't have too much time for playing
20:17 JohnWD Ok
20:28 blaise Calinou: dedicating too much time to farmville two, eh?
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20:34 Calinou no
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20:36 Krock VanessaE, OldCoder, do you run all minetest servers on the same computer or for each server 1 computer?
20:36 Calinou probably all servers on the same one
20:36 VanessaE Krock: I run 8 of them, all on one physical machine
20:36 Calinou it would be very inefficient to use 1 PC per server
20:37 Calinou empty Minetest servers use almost no resources (except RAM)
20:37 VanessaE all of them together take about 3GB RAM and consume 30 to 50% of one core.
20:38 VanessaE when idle
20:38 VanessaE (the RAM usage doesn't vary much)
20:38 Calinou O_o
20:38 Calinou why do empty servers use that much CPU
20:38 VanessaE beats me
20:38 Calinou when I have an idle minetestserver, I'm at 0 %
20:38 blaise same here
20:39 VanessaE could be an artifact of the hyperthread thing, it is an i3 after all
20:39 * blaise gasps
20:39 VanessaE so maybe some of that usage is from the slower core or the machine throttling foewn
20:39 VanessaE down*
20:39 Calinou I have HT too
20:39 VanessaE for all I know that's 50% of one core running at like 600 MHz in idle mode
20:39 VanessaE (it's 3.4 GHz max)
20:39 blaise lol
20:40 blaise no THz?
20:40 Calinou still too high
20:40 * VanessaE looks at her stats again
20:40 Jordach as an AMD user here, 0% used too
20:40 VanessaE Calinou: well, maybe you can tell me?  http://digitalaudioconcepts.com/va​nessa/hobbies/minetest/stats.html
20:41 VanessaE servers have been a bit quiet the last couple of days, it IS the weekend after all
20:41 Calinou you have a few players
20:41 VanessaE yeah but look at the idle periods
20:41 VanessaE like at around 16:00
20:42 VanessaE oh yeah, /proc/cpuinfo shows that the cores are auto-ranging according to load
20:42 Krock VanessaE, okay thanks
20:42 VanessaE right now one of them isn't even doing 2.5 GHz
20:42 blaise should put minetest on one of those 15MHz machines
20:43 VanessaE 15 MHz? O_o
20:43 PenguinDad blaise: too many MHz :P
20:44 blaise k, we'll make it a 250KHz machine then
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20:44 OldCoder Krock, I run up to 20 worlds on one host
20:44 OldCoder It's got pretty decent hardware
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20:47 Krock OldCoder, >= quad core I guess
20:47 Xavi Hi cg72
20:47 cg72 hi
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21:24 blaise with any luck its a 12 core
21:24 blaise or better
21:25 blaise if we can get this stupid shrinkray working, we can have 1 billion cores in a cpu
21:25 PenguinDad lol
21:27 VanessaE heh
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21:30 ElectronLibre Good bye everyone.
21:30 blaise good bye
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21:36 blaise ok, I got it
21:36 blaise we need a metalica parrody for minetest
21:36 blaise whiskey in the jar-o
21:36 blaise but, no jar
21:36 blaise nothing to do with jar
21:36 VanessaE selloutica?  bleh.
21:36 blaise lmao
21:37 blaise I'm just kidding, you know that right?
21:37 VanessaE I know :)
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21:46 Xavi How does my ip get changed to [unaffiliated/xaivanov] ?
21:46 VanessaE Freenode probably gave you a cloak
21:47 VanessaE idk how those work exactly except that they hide your true user@host from everyone else
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21:47 VanessaE they're a network-wide feature you can request
21:50 JohnWD Do my hide to?
21:50 JohnWD I know for isis.inchra.net but Idk on here
21:51 VanessaE er...
21:51 OldCoder Krock is away?
21:51 VanessaE how am I supposed to answer a question when he just leaves? :-/
21:51 OldCoder Ditto
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21:52 OldCoder VanessaE, he is still on over at Inchra
21:52 VanessaE I know, I see him
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22:06 Jordach !c 13*7
22:06 MinetestBot 91
22:07 * PenguinDad throws a script in the channel https://gist.github.com/Peng​uinDad/d6f102f835f8c7bc606b
22:09 pitriss Hi I want to ask.. Why register_alias can't work in moreores? Server version is 0.4.10 and it looks like :stairs* aliases are not appled.. Any idea?
22:18 pitriss VanessaE: maybe you can help me? Do you had sometime similar problem with aliases?
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22:20 VanessaE well it kinda depends
22:20 VanessaE if a mod is already being loaded that is supplying nodes with those names, the aliases won't be used
22:21 VanessaE it also depends on whether the node your alias points to exists at all when the alias command is executed
22:23 VanessaE so e.g. if you want to alias foo:mynode --> bar:blahnode, then mod "bar" has to already be loaded, and bar:blahnode has to have already been defined before your alias command is executed, there must not be anything that defines foo:mynode.
22:25 VanessaE what exactly are you trying to alias, and to what, with moreores?  (and did you mean moreblocks?)
22:25 pitriss err its just in stairsplus part of moreblocks..:) https://gitorious.org/calinou/moreblock​s/source/6501336d86f2f55d9c7af1869b461c​d9e7891ad7:stairsplus/stairs.lua#L122
22:25 VanessaE I figured that's what you meant.
22:25 * VanessaE looks
22:26 pitriss i tried to copy that line with registering node but i changed name to ":stairs:*" and it worked.. node was registered correctly..
22:26 pitriss when I used original alias code, /giveme wasn'ŧ working so I guess this alias line failed somehow
22:26 VanessaE have you tried just dropping the leading colon from the alias?
22:27 VanessaE minetest.register_alias("stairs:stair_" ....
22:27 VanessaE instead of..
22:27 VanessaE minetest.register_alias(":stairs:stair_"
22:27 pitriss hmm will try.. thank you for advice:)
22:27 VanessaE last I knew, aliases don't need the colon prefix trick
22:27 VanessaE but I could be wrong
22:28 pitriss no you was right..:)
22:28 pitriss It is working
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22:28 VanessaE oh good
22:28 VanessaE you should mention this to calinou then
22:28 Viper168 best not to mess around with the colon if you don't have to
22:28 Viper168 could get messy
22:29 VanessaE Viper168: lest it cause cancer? :P
22:30 pitriss VanessaE: okay.. I will mention it or I will send pull request.. (if i figure out how to do so)
22:30 pitriss VanessaE: thank you for your help
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22:30 VanessaE no prob
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22:39 paramat so i made a fork of MTGame, created a topic branch and made a pull request from it. now MTG is being updated, i fetched upstream and merged to master. do i also fetch-merge to my topic branches?
22:40 VanessaE paramat: not sure exactly
22:40 VanessaE (I suck at managing multiple branches)
22:40 paramat git is scarier than core mapgen
22:40 VanessaE haha
22:40 paramat no kidding this is my 2nd pull request
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22:50 paramat actually i think not ... and more study is required
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23:17 CatButts hai guise
23:18 paramat lol
23:18 CatButts what is practical difference between MSVC build and MingW build on download site?
23:18 Jordach MSVC runs faster
23:18 Jordach that's about it
23:18 CatButts ok
23:19 VanessaE it just comes down to try one, if it doesn't work out for you, run the other :)
23:23 CatButts MSVC it is
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23:27 CatButts >friend runs 0.3,1 server, can't update
23:27 CatButts what am I missing
23:30 CatButts sound, for one
23:30 CatButts haha
23:30 PenguinDad > People use outdated versions
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23:31 PenguinDad I told you dog I told you about outdated versions :P
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23:33 CatButts bumarse
23:35 CatButts I CAN'T EVEN DROWN MYSELF IN THIS VERSION
23:35 CatButts hehehe
23:36 CatButts maybe the server is creative mode
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23:37 CatButts nope
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