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00:01 cities in what way
00:01 cities like changing the source code or whatnot
00:01 rickmcfarley look at the code, change things I dont like, let my friends use it, etc
00:02 rickmcfarley fork it
00:02 cities so like
00:02 rickmcfarley fix it
00:02 cities buying a copy of some xbox game
00:02 cities wouldn't work for you
00:02 rickmcfarley I used to
00:03 rickmcfarley but then I had to replace my xbox twice
00:03 cities that was just an example, not really specifically xbox
00:03 cities any random console I guess
00:03 rickmcfarley sorry I really dont like microsoft
00:03 cities lol ok
00:03 cities lets go with sony?
00:03 rickmcfarley I have a wii and use it
00:03 cities ahhh
00:04 rickmcfarley not nearly as much as my computer
00:04 cities well good
00:04 cities i have a Wii U and I have probably logged 1000 hours of Mario Kart 8  :(
00:04 rickmcfarley lol
00:04 rickmcfarley I like the physically demanding games to exercise and play videogames :P
00:05 rickmcfarley I threw out my shoulder playing just the boxing when I first got it
00:05 cities totally opposite from me. I pretty much rejected the motion controls
00:05 cities they got the Wii U Pro controller and I use those
00:05 rickmcfarley I actually kind of wanted a wii u
00:06 cities its not too late
00:06 rickmcfarley I've been dropping hints for christmas
00:07 cities do you live with anyone
00:07 cities otherwise thats kind of futile
00:07 rickmcfarley for the past year or so I've been putting my electronics money into GNU donations and such
00:07 rickmcfarley haha yeah I have a wife
00:07 cities :)
00:07 cities me too
00:07 rickmcfarley and as muc as I try to be a buddhist and forgo holidays my mother wont let me
00:08 cities I saved my money for a new iphone (yeah yeah I know online ridicule ensues)
00:08 rickmcfarley my wife swears by her apple products...as much as I preach
00:08 cities I don't swear by mine
00:08 cities Siri doesn't like it
00:08 rickmcfarley and she has to use windows at work and gnu on my stuff
00:08 rickmcfarley lol
00:09 cities jk ive used both android and
00:09 cities ios
00:09 rickmcfarley i hated the windows phone commercials where it makes fun of siri
00:09 cities right now I like my iphone
00:10 rickmcfarley "Windows phone has a voice assistant...finally......Microsoft, playing catch-up with technology and fooling the public with marketing since 1975"
00:16 AllEvil669 How much modification to biomes is there currently?
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00:46 jojoa1997 [20:16:36] <AllEvil669> How much modification to biomes is there currently?
00:46 jojoa1997 WHAT DO YOU MEAN?
00:46 jojoa1997 sorry caps
00:49 OldCoder Either kaeza or ShadowNinja awake?
00:49 ShadowNinja OldCoder: Yep.  :-)
00:50 OldCoder irc/messages.lua:106: bad argument #1 to 'sub' (number expected, got nil)
00:50 ShadowNinja OldCoder: I just finished a map that you might like.  Give me a minute to set it up.
00:50 OldCoder /messages.lua:106: in function 'fromRFC1459'
00:50 OldCoder kk
00:50 OldCoder Thoughts on the IRC crash?
00:50 ShadowNinja OldCoder: irc/messages or irc/irc/messages
00:50 ShadowNinja +?
00:50 OldCoder /mods/irc/irc/messages.lua:106
00:51 OldCoder mods/irc/irc/messages.lua:13:
00:51 OldCoder mods/irc/irc/main.lua:165:
00:51 OldCoder mods/irc/init.lua:70:
00:51 OldCoder traceback ^ nil sub argument
00:56 OldCoder line = line:sub(pos)
00:56 * OldCoder assumes he should test pos there for nil
00:56 OldCoder And simply return if it is
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01:06 OldCoder ShadowNinja, I've added if (pos ~= nil) then
01:06 OldCoder to that block; should this do the trick?
01:07 ShadowNinja OldCoder: One minute...
01:07 OldCoder Sure
01:08 ShadowNinja OldCoder: Um, that's weird.  Seems the server sent an empty message.
01:09 OldCoder Yes, so should I just
01:09 OldCoder if (pos ~= nil) then
01:09 OldCoder around the code that tries to use pos ?
01:09 OldCoder Will that mess anything up?
01:09 ShadowNinja Or one containing only whitespace.
01:09 ShadowNinja OldCoder: self.command will be nil, and other things will crash instead.
01:09 OldCoder The regex should set pos to nil
01:10 OldCoder What is recommended solution?
01:10 OldCoder Set a fake command?
01:10 ShadowNinja OldCoder: That shouldn't happen again, tell me if it does.
01:10 ShadowNinja For now ignore it.
01:10 OldCoder Hm. O.K.
01:10 * OldCoder is dubious but will comply
01:10 ShadowNinja OldCoder: PM server adderess?
01:10 OldCoder You're in it
01:10 OldCoder SilverCrab
01:11 OldCoder Hm
01:11 OldCoder IRC bot restarted?
01:11 ShadowNinja OldCoder: No, I mean to come look at my creaation on my private server.
01:11 OldCoder Ah
01:11 OldCoder Sure
01:11 OldCoder Why did the IRC bot restart?
01:12 OldCoder I mean, after 10 minutes
01:14 RealBadAngel ShadowNinja, http://youtu.be/CM2b_vmM5rg
01:15 ShadowNinja OldCoder: Reconnect you mean?  That's automatic when it disconnects in an error.
01:21 jojoa1997 RealBadAngel what does the video show
01:22 RealBadAngel meshnodes
01:22 jojoa1997 what is special about them?
01:25 RealBadAngel are you jokin jojoa1997 ?
01:25 jojoa1997 no
01:26 jojoa1997 what is a meshnode
01:26 jojoa1997 RealBadAngel what is the difference between a meshnode and a nodebox
01:26 Fritigern Hmmmm.... Are gravel and sand supposed to defy gravity on a creative server?
01:26 jojoa1997 Fritigern depends on the code ;)
01:27 jojoa1997 And yes until they are updated i think
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01:30 kaeza jojoa1997, what is the difference between using a nodebox (and "wielditem" visual) and a proper model for entities?
01:30 RealBadAngel jojoa1997, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=​LkLeUHug7BI&amp;feature=youtu.be
01:30 kaeza I mean, think...
01:30 RealBadAngel now i think you will feel the difference :P
01:31 jojoa1997 i cant feel it
01:31 jojoa1997 i can only see it
01:31 jojoa1997 :3
01:32 RealBadAngel eat your screen, you gonna feel that then ;)
01:32 jojoa1997 i see
01:32 jojoa1997 no I will feel the screan
01:32 jojoa1997 screen
01:32 jojoa1997 but not the mesh
01:32 Fritigern Okay, i don't get it. I set the server to survival, but the and gravel will not fall! No matter how long i make a hozontal line, one or more nodes off the ground, it will keep floating. I don;t know why. And what can i do to fix this?
01:33 RealBadAngel so go to your nodebox sanbox and make r2d2
01:33 Fritigern *the sand and gravel
01:36 RealBadAngel nodeboxes days are counted
01:37 RealBadAngel meshnodes gonna sent them back to the experimentall hell in no time
01:37 RealBadAngel theyre faster, have no limitations on shape and texturing
01:37 jojoa1997 in every mod I make I will have a single nodebox that says " RealBadAngel will never kill me!"
01:38 RealBadAngel sorry buddy, but that r2d2 mesh model is faster than stair nodebox :P
01:38 RealBadAngel you will have to make very tiny nodeboxes to achive your goal
01:39 RealBadAngel and i wont kill nodeboxes anyway
01:39 RealBadAngel modders will do that
01:41 jojoa1997 in every mod I make I will have a single nodebox that says " RealBadAngel will never kill me!"!!!
01:42 RealBadAngel sure :P
01:45 Fritigern ASeriously, does nobody have any idea how i can make sand and gravel obey the laws of gravity?
01:46 hmmmm is it just me, or did fast move stop working in water?
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01:59 VanessaE hmmmm: long ago.
02:00 blaise D:
02:00 hmmmm what do i set in minetest.conf to make it go back to the way it was
02:00 VanessaE hmmmm: there was a short while that you could swim fast, but to my knowledge it didn't last very long before the current player physics were settled.
02:01 hmmmm that wasn't a short while...
02:01 hmmmm that was right up until recent months
02:01 VanessaE unless I'm wrong of course.
02:01 * blaise covers everyone in bbq chicken
02:01 Fritigern VanessaE: Do you happen to know a solution to my problem? You usually are very good with coming up with answers to my issues
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02:01 VanessaE maybe unset your key bindings if you have both use and descend bound to the same key (e.g. "E")
02:02 VanessaE Fritigern: there is a feature called "falling_node", I think this is a group setting in your node def.
02:02 blaise hrmm
02:02 VanessaE but it's not something I've experimented with
02:02 blaise is there a variable to set the viscosity for various liquids?
02:02 blaise say, for like crude oil, or quicksand ?
02:02 Fritigern I already looked at /games/mintetest_game/mods/nodes.lua, and falling_node is set in there. So that checks out
02:03 VanessaE blaise: actually yes, in the node def, you can set the viscosity
02:03 VanessaE Fritigern: I'm not sure then
02:03 blaise outstanding.
02:03 VanessaE blaise: https://github.com/minetest/minetes​t/blob/master/doc/lua_api.txt#L2433
02:04 Hobodium blaise: http://dev.minetest.net/minetest.register_node I was actually looking at that exact variable as you asked that
02:04 VanessaE Fritigern: I would have to hazard a guess that the code that should actually make the nodes fall has, itself, been compromised then.  engine bug?
02:04 blaise Hobodium: lmao
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02:15 cities test
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02:33 RealBadAngel btw, materials are wrong but the effect seems nice anyway...
02:33 RealBadAngel http://i.imgur.com/fUon82U.png
02:34 VanessaE oh neat
02:34 VanessaE well moretrees is obsolete now.
02:37 RealBadAngel sorry honey, im just a key maker ;)
02:41 Zeno` That's nice
02:41 Zeno` Besides the tree, what are those blue things?
02:42 VanessaE those are test globes
02:42 VanessaE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CM2b_vmM5rg
02:42 Zeno` globes? And the thing that looks like a fallen over robot is a test globe as well?
02:42 Zeno` watching
02:42 VanessaE Jordach's model, but being used as an actual honest to G*d mesh node
02:43 Zeno` oh cool!
02:44 * Zeno` wants
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02:56 argyle ll
02:56 argyle ll
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03:30 cities Oo nice tree
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04:10 Zeno` err no matter I worked it out hehe
04:10 Zeno` oops
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04:18 Fritigern Hmmmm..... So.... morefences alters the sand/gravel physics, making it so that they will no longere fall.
04:18 Fritigern *longer
04:21 Fritigern !tell PenguinDad morefences mess up the physics for sand desert sand and gravel so that they no longer fall.
04:21 MinetestBot Fritigern: I'll pass that on when PenguinDad is around
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04:35 Fritigern !tell PenguinDad Going into craftings.lua and fences.lua and uncommenting the sand, desert sand and gravel items did solve the issue. You may want to change this in git as well, or find another way to not have the those nodes lose their falling_node group.
04:35 MinetestBot Fritigern: I'll pass that on when PenguinDad is around
04:36 * Fritigern wonders how nobody ever caught that.
04:50 Fritigern !tell PenguinDad Correction, i said uncommenting helped, but i meant of course commenting out those lines.
04:50 MinetestBot Fritigern: I'll pass that on when PenguinDad is around
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05:29 OldCoder popoxoxo digs 3dforniture:chair at
05:29 OldCoder popoxoxo digs 3dforniture:table at
05:29 OldCoder popoxoxo digs 3dforniture:chair at
05:29 OldCoder Hi. Is this player creating or griefing>
05:29 OldCoder Hi. Is this player creating or griefing? *
05:31 Fritigern It depends. Did the player place that stuff first?
05:32 OldCoder Would the word be place?
05:33 OldCoder She did only this: take stuff from chest, dig wood, tried to dig protected things, dig the furniture
05:33 OldCoder Plus craft a wood pick
05:33 OldCoder Fritigern, ^
05:34 OldCoder http://minetest.org/popoxo.txt
05:34 OldCoder Actually, the link is her history
05:34 OldCoder
05:34 OldCoder She talked about lava-ing people and seemed angry
05:34 Fritigern If that stuff doesn;t belong to her, then I wouldn;t call it griefing.  Not yet. I think she is just new and doesn;t quite know what's what et
05:34 OldCoder See the link; it's close to the top of the session
05:34 Fritigern Looking now
05:36 OldCoder The -8xx coords are all in an underground house owned by somebody else
05:42 Fritigern It's hard to make that determination. The log you showed lacks the conversation. But if that person kept digging the other person;s nodes, even after she's been warned, then i would definitely call her a griefer.
05:43 OldCoder The question is, what does digging furniture do?
05:43 Fritigern Not only that, but the treat of lava'ing would be enough reason for me to preeptively bn her.
05:43 OldCoder Was she destroying the furniture?
05:43 Fritigern Digging furniture breaks it
05:43 Fritigern Yes
05:43 OldCoder So, what legitimate reason would there be to do this?
05:44 OldCoder Note the attempts to dig the protected furniture as well
05:44 OldCoder Thanks for your time BTW
05:44 OldCoder This is for a server that is unexpectedly busy
05:44 Fritigern Perhaps this user was an alt for another user?
05:44 OldCoder She was not real, I think, but was not the player who built the house either
05:44 OldCoder So, never mind
05:44 OldCoder One other question
05:45 OldCoder I've got an 8 year old in France who is asking in French how to protect his house. We have areas.
05:45 OldCoder Do you or anybody know how to use areas?
05:45 OldCoder It seems to work by default in some cases
05:45 Miner_48er Is markers installed?
05:45 OldCoder Because a house built by other places was protected and they hadn't done it
05:45 OldCoder yes
05:45 Fritigern I would have a look at the forum post that goes with the mod
05:45 OldCoder * by other players
05:45 OldCoder I did; I don't understand it
05:46 OldCoder There is a lot of debate about Yet Another Protection Mod
05:46 OldCoder But thank you
05:46 OldCoder I suppose I can undo some of the griefing using worldedit
05:46 Miner_48er 4 markers in a rectangle around the area needing protection and punch the first marker
05:46 OldCoder How did this happen to the players' house? They didn't know how to do it
05:47 OldCoder But never mind
05:47 Fritigern So, the mod is Yet Another Protection Mod?
05:47 OldCoder No, they were joking. The mod was Areas.
05:47 OldCoder How does one summon markers?
05:47 OldCoder I will use Google Translate to explain
05:48 Miner_48er or /area_pos1 /area_pos2 /protect area name
05:48 Fritigern ShadowNinja: PING!
05:48 OldCoder Will set1 and set2 work?
05:48 Miner_48er markers are crafted
05:48 OldCoder Ah
05:49 OldCoder Then the players didn't do it
05:49 OldCoder Did somebody protect their house for them?
05:49 Miner_48er who's name is it protected in?
05:49 OldCoder The first girl; but I'll figure it all out
05:49 OldCoder Thanks
05:50 Miner_48er yes set will work but requires setting the y axis too
05:50 Fritigern Areas if based on node_ownership. See https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?t=846
05:51 OldCoder Both of you, yes and thank you
05:51 Miner_48er List of CMDs https://github.com/ShadowNinja/areas#chat-commands
05:51 OldCoder Good, Reading
05:51 Fritigern Miner_48er: Your link is better
05:51 OldCoder //1 and //2 will work, then
05:52 OldCoder If //2 is vertical
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06:08 OldCoder Miner_48er, Fritigern, Erthome (another admin and friend of Sokomine) and I are now conversant with areas; thank you
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06:23 OldCoder Does anybody awake use Blender for skins?
06:23 OldCoder Fun oddity; when I open character.blend and render, there is no face
06:23 OldCoder But everything else is there
06:23 OldCoder Tried two releases of Blender
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07:26 Krock lol. the mobs' mod readme.txt is full of typs :3
07:26 Krock *typos
07:36 Nekrodes Krock: send a patch to correct them :þ
07:37 Krock oh right. those exist too..
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08:00 rubenwardy Hi all!
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08:15 rub3nwardy Hi all!
08:16 rub3nwardy I am writing this in a HTML5 IRC client I wrote!
08:17 sfan5 rub3nwardy: not enough CSS
08:18 rub3nwardy You what mate?
08:18 sfan5 u wot m8
08:18 * kaeza meows at sfan5
08:18 * sfan5 meows at kaeza
08:18 kaeza hey rub3nwardy
08:19 rub3nwardy Hiya, kaeza. You inspired me XD
08:21 kaeza <3
08:21 rub3nwardy :P
08:22 rub3nwardy You can use it here: http://urkke0f34704.rubenwardy.koding.io/client/ It will all be sent under one username, though. And messages may not be received correctly if multiple log in.
08:23 rub3nwardy meow
08:23 rub3nwardy (ノಠ益ಠ)ノ彡HTML
08:23 rub3nwardy /help
08:23 rub3nwardy aw
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08:25 rubenwardy It's more of a basis of something new. I have a vision, I just need to make it.
08:26 sfan5 cats
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08:43 kaeza ASEprite for Windows now costs 10 USD ;_;
08:44 kaeza or "compile it yourself"
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08:46 SaltyDog001 Vanessa you on? :)
08:47 Zeno` The paid version is signed by the lead developer though
08:48 SaltyDog001 anyone using the areas (protection) mod on their server?
08:48 SaltyDog001 with markers
08:49 Zeno` maybe
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08:49 SaltyDog001 are you using the defaults or did you allow larger areas and more of them
08:49 Zeno` Umm.. let me look
08:49 Zeno` I think I allowed more of them
08:50 Zeno` What are the defaults?
08:50 SaltyDog001 I think 3 areas and something like 32x32
08:50 Zeno` I'm using:
08:50 Zeno` areas.self_protection = true
08:50 Zeno` areas.self_protection_max_size = {x=50, y=100, z=50}
08:50 Zeno` areas.self_protection_max_areas = 90
08:51 SaltyDog001 ok, I didn't want people to just 'clog' the server with useless ownership but I have one guy who does a fantastic job.
08:52 Zeno` You can probably just use areas.self_protection = false if you want to only allow one player to protect
08:52 SaltyDog001 Need to figure out how to give just him a lot more space.
08:52 SaltyDog001 I see
08:52 Zeno` I opened a request with ShadowNinja for specific users to have more than the allowed max areas
08:53 SaltyDog001 that would be great or that credit system to work
08:53 Zeno` He said he thought that was a good idea and would look into it
08:53 SaltyDog001 for now, I had this guy create 2nd account and then transfer ownership to his original profile. Seems to work.
08:54 SaltyDog001 actually I have an admin that has been huge help. I'm dumb as heck but he knows a lot.
08:55 SaltyDog001 Thank you for your input.
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08:55 rubenwardy oops
08:56 Zeno` It was only last week this came up actually
08:56 Zeno` the other option is to give the person the areas priv if you trust them
08:56 Zeno` then they can make as many areas as they like
08:56 Zeno` (and destroy other people's areas of course)
08:56 SaltyDog001 ahhh not bad at all
08:57 SaltyDog001 so they still protect their area but the limit doesn't apply
08:58 Zeno` yeah, but they can also remove and build in (etc) other people's areas
08:58 SaltyDog001 right
08:58 Zeno` so you'd only give it to someone you trust
08:59 Zeno` none of the limits would apply to them; i.e. if they wanted a 1000x1000x1000 area they could protect that
08:59 SaltyDog001 i see
09:00 Zeno` That said a few players on my server have the areas priv; but they're long time players who have built heaps and I trust them
09:00 SaltyDog001 so in theory, could I protect such a large area, and then give him ownership to it?
09:00 Zeno` yes there would be nothing stopping him
09:01 SaltyDog001 If he's at say the 5 area limit, I wonder if that would work.
09:01 Zeno` he could also protect a very large area for another player
09:01 Zeno` yeah, it ignores all the limits
09:01 SaltyDog001 so I can give him more than 5 areas even if he doesn't have areas priv?
09:01 Zeno` oh, not yet
09:02 Zeno` hopefully soon when ShadowNinja implements the per user settings
09:02 SaltyDog001 I haven't tried sharing if that can exceed the limit.
09:02 Zeno` I'm not sure
09:02 Zeno` bbiab! dinner
09:02 SaltyDog001 thanks again for your help.
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09:11 Krock https://github.com/SmallJoker/gemsverison2.0/
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09:23 * Krock throws https://forum.minetest.net/vi​ewtopic.php?p=112809#p112809 at rubenwardy
09:24 fling http://dpaste.com/2BY6R95
09:24 fling I have luairc installed http://dpaste.com/3N2M5V4
09:25 fling do I need another stupid symlink?
09:33 Krock how to crash a client: teleport to 0 0 9999999
09:33 rubenwardy fixed, Krock
09:33 * Krock gives rubenwardy a cookie
09:35 Krock lel I'm getting the same fail as I saw some months ago
09:35 Krock the trrain turns black when I turn on bumpmapping
09:35 fling sfan5: Hello.
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09:38 ninnghazad ShadowNinja: can you give me a status update on the fix for #1709 (the scriptapi-coroutine-objects stuff)?
09:38 * Krock would like to see the parallax occlusion as non-shader. everything's much brighter :D
09:39 Krock ninnghazad, try #minetest-dev
09:40 ninnghazad Krock: he's not in there, but seems to be here and in #minetest-mods
09:41 Krock oh
09:41 Krock lol
09:41 Krock he's on top of the list
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09:49 ninnghazad ... le blind...
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10:26 * sfan5 meows at fling
10:27 fling sfan5: had an issue with luasocket, already fixed with a downgrade
10:28 sfan5 fling: meow
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10:37 fling sfan5: because of broken pkgconfig ;P
10:37 fling because of glib
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10:52 fling Are there any new cool mods to try? :P
10:53 Krock fling, mob mods?
10:53 fling Krock: idk?
10:54 Fritigern Screwdriver has been improved. As in simplified
10:54 Krock fling, search random for mods :P
10:54 fling Krock: I have these mods installed -> http://dpaste.com/06DNHRC
10:55 fling Fritigern: in some mod? Or the default one?
10:55 Krock lol. "minetest-mod-" everywhere
10:55 Fritigern fling: https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?t=10047
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10:57 * Krock wonders why he still has more fps with 800 waving leaves as with 1 additional player on the world
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11:05 * Krock is like wtf when pressing R and still having over 20 fps
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13:31 minetestforfun Bonjour
13:32 Nekrodes salut
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13:46 Fritigern Eau reservoir!
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13:48 Krock !doge
13:48 MinetestBot http://i.imgur.com/l0YSsre.jpg
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14:00 * sfan5 meows at Krock
14:03 * Krock meows at sfan5
14:03 Krock !cat
14:03 MinetestBot http://i.imgur.com/NKWGj9s.jpg
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14:12 Krock What if the player would duck when Shift/Sneak is pressed? So it's possible to walk in floors, which are 1.5 nodes high
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14:23 MinetestBot PenguinDad: 10-07 04:21 UTC <Fritigern> morefences mess up the physics for sand desert sand and gravel so that they no longer fall.
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14:30 Krock <3 glasslike drawtype
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15:08 kaeza Krock, here, have some https://github.com/kaeza/minetest/tree/crouching
15:09 Krock kaeza, does it make the player smaller?
15:09 cities bailbonds!
15:09 kaeza maybe
15:11 kaeza Krock, not finished because lack of interest (that was long ago)
15:12 Krock kaeza, oh that's sad.
15:12 Krock it could be simply added to the current sneak key
15:13 kaeza lack of interest + fton of support stuff needed (changing player collision boxes, animation, etc)
15:14 kaeza + lazy, of course
15:17 Krock :/
15:26 Hobodium Since I havn't had the opportunity to test it out myself, does anybody know if you can set light source intensity to be negative, or is it bounded to 0-15?
15:29 Hobodium And I guess more importantly, if that would even do what I would like it to do
15:30 PenguinDad Hobodium: it can only be within the 0-15 range
15:30 MinetestBot PenguinDad: 10-07 04:50 UTC <Fritigern> Correction, i said uncommenting helped, but i meant of course commenting out those lines.
15:31 Hobodium Alrighty, that is what I figured. Thank you. Is it safe to assume that having an anti-light source is a relatively nontrivial task?
15:34 PenguinDad Hobodium: It shouldn't be too hard to code but we are all damn lazy :D
15:36 cities hell
15:36 cities I ordered less nicotine in my e-liquid
15:36 cities in an attempt to quit with it
15:36 Hobodium Well, I guess I'm gonna have to be not lazy for the first time in my life if I'm gonna finish my useless utilities
15:36 cities all day today I'm like...wanting something...anything...food? wateR?
15:36 cities can't figure it out
15:37 cities must be the lower nicotine content
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15:48 realtinymonster hi
15:48 realtinymonster sfan5: http://harpbeta.tk/test-page
15:48 cities reality :)
15:48 realtinymonster Nyan!
15:48 realtinymonster lol
15:48 realtinymonster hi cities
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16:02 PenguinDad Hej realtinymonster
16:03 realtinymonster hej PenguinDad
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16:13 Krock omg a monster is hcovered behind the server
16:14 MiddleAgedServer hey, any minetesters located in Utah?
16:14 Krock Orang?
16:15 Krock Orang Utah
16:16 MiddleAgedServer ?
16:17 MiddleAgedServer Krock: what you talkin' about?
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16:18 Hobodium I think orang utah is a foreign name for oragutans
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16:19 MiddleAgedServer hmm
16:23 * Krock gives Hobodium a cookie from MiddleAgedServer s cookie box
16:23 * MiddleAgedServer slaps Krock
16:24 * Krock rickrolls MiddleAgedServer
16:24 Hobodium Krock calls you an ape and steals your cookies, are you going to just take that?
16:24 Krock Hobodium, (s)he just slapped me!
16:24 Hobodium I didn't see anything! :y
16:25 Krock hmm?
16:25 kaeza hmmm?
16:25 Amaz Hobodium, * 28MiddleAgedServer slaps Krock
16:25 * MiddleAgedServer slaps Krock again for Hobodium
16:26 Krock onemore 'm' an we call a mapgen dev
16:26 Hobodium You people keep speaking of violence against Krock that just isn't happening!
16:26 MiddleAgedServer lol
16:26 Krock Hobodium, wanna come at my house to have a proof for the slap?
16:26 Hobodium Kinky
16:27 Krock :P
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16:28 MiddleAgedServer ElectronLibre!
16:29 ElectronLibre Good [night|morning|afternoon|evening|nether eternal night] everyone :).
16:29 ElectronLibre Hello MiddleAgedServer :).
16:29 MiddleAgedServer ElectronLibre: hehe, nether eternal night
16:30 DusXMT hi all
16:30 * ElectronLibre cant' remind who is MiddleAgedServer :°...
16:31 ElectronLibre Hello DusXMT. MiddleAgedServer : Yes I've just found it, it was boring always saying the same thing... ^^
16:31 Krock ElectronLibre, fakehugemonster
16:31 realtinymonster ElectronLibre: hi
16:31 Amaz MiddleAgedServer = RealTinyMonster
16:31 Amaz Grr.
16:31 Krock woof. woof.
16:31 realtinymonster lol
16:31 ElectronLibre Ok, I see.
16:31 realtinymonster Anywho, hi!
16:31 ElectronLibre Now I remind you... ^^"
16:33 realtinymonster you remind me?
16:33 realtinymonster XD
16:33 ElectronLibre Or remember, I'm not very good to translate..
16:33 ElectronLibre *for translation you see...
16:34 cities kiwiirc is blocked too
16:34 cities fun
16:34 Krock new feature: unlock the ultimativepickaxe by standing in front of a player, press Q and scroll the mouse weel
16:35 Amaz XD
16:36 ElectronLibre Interesting feature ^^..
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16:38 Krock ElectronLibre, it won't work if there's nobody in front of you
16:38 Krock optional dependencies: item_drop
16:39 kaeza press Alt+F4 for infinite mese!
16:39 ElectronLibre The Q key is the default drop key I think. I've changed the keys to use an external mouse with my right hand and every other keys with the left.. So I don't remember well..
16:39 ElectronLibre Not Alt+F4 please xD..
16:40 kaeza <_<
16:40 Krock ElectronLibre, shht
16:40 Krock kaeza, thx.
16:40 DusXMT oh my, it actually worked
16:41 Krock yeah. for me it solved the problem, too.
16:41 * kaeza wonders how many players would fall for that one if put in a sign in the rules
16:41 ElectronLibre Some months ago I was on a server when a player said to antoher to try to type Alt+F4 for a special window feature, 30 sec after the player left the game : time out..
16:41 kaeza s/rules/rule board/
16:41 kaeza hah
16:42 Krock ElectronLibre,you're wrong. 29s
16:42 Some_Donkus People still fall for alt+F4?
16:42 ElectronLibre Around 30 seconds Krock x)..
16:42 Krock Some_Donkus, you can get infinite mese if you press those
16:43 Some_Donkus That's like from the 90s
16:43 DusXMT CTRL+ALT+BKSP is even better, but distributions have lately been disabling that by default
16:43 Krock didn't know mese existed in 90s
16:43 DusXMT (that kills the X server)
16:43 ElectronLibre I've laughted during at least 5 minutes, it was so fun xD
16:43 Some_Donkus Actually yeah it is from the 90s, I remember people doing that in games when I was in school :P
16:43 ElectronLibre The player was using Windows..
16:43 kaeza DusXMT, unfortunately, no worky on Windows :(
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16:43 Krock DusXMT, I can't kill "x server"
16:43 Hobodium There is a game I played where the only two controls were Alt and F4. Fun game.
16:44 * PenguinDad hugs PenguinDad^Mobil
16:44 Krock Hobodium, click outside the window and press those in combination....
16:44 * Krock gives PenguinDad^Mobil an 'e'
16:44 Hobodium I know what alt f4 does, I'm trying to find the game for you though
16:44 realtinymonster lol
16:45 ElectronLibre I've read on a forum the logs of a man who asked on a chan how to see some settings in ubuntu, and typed in a shell sudo rm -R -f /* after someone told him it was the right way..
16:45 ElectronLibre (*the logs of? Is that english?)
16:46 Amaz ctrl+w for op on IRC!
16:46 PenguinDad^Mobil Nothing happens!
16:46 Hobodium Dangit, I wish I didn't have my work filter right now.
16:47 Some_Donkus ctrl+w for OP?  Oh boy!
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16:48 Some_Donkus :P
16:48 realtinymonster lol
16:48 kaeza :D
16:48 Some_Donkus Actually I wonder if Ctrl+W does it on mine.  I just closed the tab like normal... brb
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16:49 Some_Donkus Oh yeah it does.
16:49 Amaz XD
16:49 * ElectronLibre can see two PenguinDads. o.o
16:49 kaeza lel
16:49 realtinymonster haha
16:49 ElectronLibre Now eveybody know it's not a good idea to type Ctrl+W when you want to chat.
16:49 Amaz :P
16:50 Amaz Or alt+f4 when playing Minetest
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16:50 cities but who was phone?
16:50 Some_Donkus If I were a game dev, I'd put a secret easter egg to display a rickroll or something so that you can tell your friends "Oh yeah you can enter the menu to change that with ctrl+R+O+L"
16:51 * PenguinDad^Phone meows at cities
16:51 DusXMT ctrl+w doesn't work on irssi :(
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16:51 Some_Donkus cities: Phone?
16:52 PenguinDad^Phone DusXMT: Doesn't work in weechat either
16:52 ElectronLibre DusXMT, there is no tab in IRSSI so the only way to close it is typing /exit, or CTRL+C, or even clicking the cross in the right top..
16:52 cities sorry an old internet meme that Im way too late to be referencing
16:52 Some_Donkus cities: I know of two people who were called that.  One was a kid who accidentally blew himself up with a bomb and the other is a furry.
16:52 Some_Donkus One of those fur suit people.
16:52 Some_Donkus I don't know if he break dances though.
16:52 cities theres a lot of cats here
16:52 DusXMT ElectronLibre: Actually, there are tabs, they're just called "windows", and you can close them with /wc
16:53 cities my mama always said son on the internet one day people will pretend to be cats, don't believe them
16:53 ElectronLibre Ok, thank you DusXMT.
16:53 ElectronLibre cities, what about sfan5?
16:53 cities thats the one
16:53 sfan5 huh?
16:54 Hobodium http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/comm​ons/f/ff/Cat_on_laptop_-_Just_Browsing.jpg Hate to break it to you, cities
16:54 * ElectronLibre gives sfan5 default:mese 65535
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16:56 * PenguinDad^Phone pets sfan5
16:56 * sfan5 cats
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16:57 cities lol Hobodium
16:57 cities he doesn't have his paws on the home keys
16:58 ElectronLibre Is this you sfan5 on the photo? ^^
16:58 sfan5 no
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17:00 Krock Hobodium, that's not healthy. get more than 30cm space between your face and the screen
17:01 Hobodium cities, when you don't have human fingers you don't type like humans do, geeze. Hunt and peck is all you can really do with such tiny paws
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17:01 cities hunt and peck is for birds
17:02 Krock !cat
17:02 MinetestBot http://i.imgur.com/CkgC24b.jpg
17:02 Calinou !pony
17:03 Krock !calinou
17:03 PenguinDad^Phone !doge
17:03 MinetestBot http://i.imgur.com/Ck3qYFb.jpg
17:03 * ElectronLibre realy likes MinetestBot.
17:04 kaeza I love how firefox uses 400% of CPU time to download/render an image
17:04 kaeza or for anything, really
17:04 Calinou it depends on OS more than browser, kaeza
17:04 Calinou Windows does 2D acceleration way better
17:05 ElectronLibre kaeza, me too.. And when it loads a javascript file... It freezes xD..
17:05 rubenwardy Hi all!
17:05 Calinou tell Web developers not to overuse animations and autoplay videos
17:05 Calinou hi rubenwardy
17:05 Hobodium autoplay videos should be a crime
17:05 Calinou kaeza, that's the reason battery life is often better on Windows
17:05 Calinou among other things
17:05 Calinou Hobodium, it's a trend to put autoplay (soundless) video on background of a landing page
17:05 PenguinDad That doesn't happen to me :)
17:05 kaeza Calinou, under same OS and conditions, Chrom{e|ium} has way better performance
17:05 Krock !doge
17:05 MinetestBot http://i.imgur.com/3pnQciA.jpg
17:06 kaeza and does not lock up the VM <_<
17:06 Hobodium Calinou: Given the (us/ca specific) trend of low bandwidth speed and bandwidth limits, it should still be a crime!
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17:06 ElectronLibre Hello rubenwardy.
17:08 PenguinDad Hobodium: on my 200 kbit/s line it should really be a crime
17:10 Calinou Blender 2.72 is out.
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17:10 realtinymonster yay! nobody cares!
17:11 PenguinDad omg I won't download it!
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17:11 ElectronLibre Calinou : yeah! updates! With only 30Ko/s downloading \o/!
17:11 kaeza autoplay should die already, except maybe for sites meant to watch videos (e.g. YT/vimeo/mediacrush)
17:11 ElectronLibre No I'm joking thank you Calinou ^^.
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17:13 PenguinDad !tell zlsa Fix your SSL
17:13 MinetestBot PenguinDad: I'll pass that on when zlsa is around
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17:13 MinetestBot zlsa: 10-07 17:13 UTC <PenguinDad> Fix your SSL
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17:15 Calinou changed its theme and language again :( it reset
17:15 Amaz O.o
17:15 Calinou kaeza, even for video playing sites it's annoying (loud music)
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17:15 Krock lol
17:16 sfan5 !ban zlsa!*@*$##FIX_YOUR_CONNECTION
17:16 * ElectronLibre thinks zlsa has got big problems with SSL.
17:17 Calinou he's being trickled by certificate authorities
17:17 sfan5 this has nothing to do with CAs
17:17 zat WTF IS Hempukka65!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
17:18 DusXMT Hey, is the shouting necessary?
17:18 kaeza not enough exclamation points!!!!
17:18 zat yes !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
17:18 realtinymonster zat!
17:18 Calinou ¡¡¡¡¡¡¡
17:18 zat hey realtinymonster!!!!!!!
17:18 realtinymonster lol
17:18 realtinymonster !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!​!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!​!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!​!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
17:18 ElectronLibre What's going on? What or who is Hempukka65?
17:18 sfan5 what?
17:19 PenguinDad ElectronLibre: It's a trap!!1!
17:19 Some_Donkus WHAT'S ALL THIS SHOUTING???
17:19 DusXMT while (1) putc ('!');
17:19 sfan5 what¿
17:19 kaeza ‼‼‼‼‼‼
17:19 zat someone who everyday tries to connect to my server with an... EMPTY PASSWORD!!!!!!
17:19 Some_Donkus Oh wait... I just had my caps lock key pressed.  Never mind
17:19 ElectronLibre Ok, but what sort of thing is it? A player?
17:19 sfan5 ಠ▃ಠ
17:19 ElectronLibre Empty password? Ho my god! ==> disallow_empty_password = true.
17:20 ElectronLibre (sfan5, are you using Unicode? <_<)
17:20 sfan5 no
17:20 zat I never said it ever connected lol
17:20 sfan5 I'm using ASCII as you can see
17:20 PenguinDad Everybody get your Shoutgun! :D
17:20 ElectronLibre Oh, ok.
17:20 zat Server: Hempukka65 supplied empty password :D
17:21 * ElectronLibre takes a lasergun and a rocket launcher.
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17:21 PenguinDad ElectronLibre: you now can jump with rockets!
17:21 * ElectronLibre jumps to shoot.
17:21 * Some_Donkus gets his rifle.  ︻デ┳═ー
17:21 * ElectronLibre blowed up himself.
17:22 * ElectronLibre didn't hit the frag limit >_>
17:22 Krock while(true) continue;
17:22 Some_Donkus Wait I got something we can all use...
17:22 Some_Donkus ███۞███████ ]▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▃
17:22 Some_Donkus ▂▄▅█████████▅▄▃▂
17:22 Some_Donkus I███████████████████].
17:22 Some_Donkus ◥⊙▲⊙▲⊙▲⊙▲⊙▲⊙▲⊙◤…
17:22 Krock pastebin please
17:23 Hobodium Your treads seem to have sheared off
17:23 Some_Donkus srry
17:23 zat 24 minerals registered already yay lol
17:23 Some_Donkus Yeah I'm not all that good at parking.
17:23 * ElectronLibre 's eyes are on fire seeing all this light green on black.
17:23 PenguinDad while "" do moo() end
17:23 Krock Error: Can not convert string to bool
17:23 Hobodium What's wrong with light green on black?
17:24 Krock ,01I don't know. Such matrix.
17:24 Hobodium I prefer light green on black to white on black. Much easier for me to read.
17:25 Krock Lol. such fail. amaze. https://github.com/SmallJoker/yappy/commit/5e74​f8de#diff-d7d74284e2e39f6c06d199c8e2bedbd0L192
17:25 PenguinDad Hobodium: I prefer light grey on black
17:25 cities I'm using black on white :(
17:25 kaeza <Krock> while(true) continue;
17:25 ElectronLibre Hobodium, I don't like light.. My eyes too, it hurt them...
17:25 kaeza why `continue`?
17:25 Krock I prefer light light grey on white
17:26 Hobodium Wait, people like light? I thought this was a chat for cave dwellers
17:26 Krock kaeza, to avoid { and }
17:26 Hobodium Krock, you are a monster
17:26 kaeza Krock, while(1) ;
17:26 cities I prefer to just not look at the screen period
17:26 * DusXMT is a fan of the green phosphor classic
17:26 Krock kaeza, meh.
17:26 kaeza Krock, also, for(;;);
17:27 kaeza less characters :D
17:27 Krock ..
17:27 PenguinDad
17:27 Krock !c count("for(;;);");
17:27 MinetestBot SyntaxError: unexpected EOF while parsing (<string>, line 1)
17:27 Krock !c count("for(;;);")
17:27 MinetestBot NameError: name 'count' is not defined
17:27 PenguinDad !c "for(;;);".length
17:27 MinetestBot AttributeError: 'str' object has no attribute 'length'
17:27 PenguinDad :(
17:28 kaeza !c len("asdf")
17:28 MinetestBot 4
17:28 Krock uuh. kaeza mastered it.
17:29 kaeza it's just python
17:29 kaeza !c __import__("os").name
17:29 MinetestBot kaeza: Sorry, but no double underscores.
17:29 Krock 2lazy2google
17:29 kaeza :(
17:29 realtinymonster !c print("no")
17:29 MinetestBot NameError: name 'print' is not defined
17:29 realtinymonster such annoy
17:30 PenguinDad !c ___import___("Triple underscores :>")
17:30 MinetestBot PenguinDad: Sorry, but no double underscores.
17:30 Hobodium Wouldn't it just print the result of whatever you send it anyways?
17:31 kaeza !c "yby clguba".encode("rot13")
17:31 MinetestBot LookupError: 'rot13' is not a text encoding; use codecs.encode() to handle arbitrary codecs
17:31 kaeza !c "yby clguba".encode("rot-13")
17:31 MinetestBot LookupError: 'rot-13' is not a text encoding; use codecs.encode() to handle arbitrary codecs
17:31 kaeza :(
17:31 kaeza okay, I leave the bot alone now
17:32 sfan5 !c ''.join(chr(ord(c) + 13) for c in "yby clguba")
17:32 MinetestBot '\x86o\x86-pyt\x82on'
17:32 Krock :/
17:32 sfan5 !c ''.join((chr(ord(c) + 13) % ord("z")) for c in "yby clguba")
17:32 MinetestBot TypeError: not all arguments converted during string formatting
17:33 sfan5 :s
17:33 PenguinDad !c ''.join(chr(ord(c) - 13) for c in "yby clguba")
17:33 MinetestBot 'lUl\x13V_ZhUT'
17:33 kaeza !c ''.join(chr((ord(c) + 13) % 26) for c in "yby clguba")
17:33 MinetestBot '\x04\x07\x04\x13\x08\x11\x0c\x00\x07\x06'
17:33 PenguinDad uuuh
17:33 DusXMT clguba almost sounds like cibula (which means onion)
17:33 kaeza eh
17:33 Krock ##minetestbot
17:34 sfan5 !c ''.join(chr((ord(c) - 97 + 13) % 26 + 97) for c in "yby clguba")
17:34 MinetestBot SyntaxError: unexpected EOF while parsing (<string>, line 1)
17:34 sfan5 !c ''.join(chr((ord(c) - 97 + 13) % 26 + 97) for c in "yby clguba")
17:34 MinetestBot 'lolapython'
17:34 sfan5 ^ kaeza
17:35 PenguinDad a =>
17:35 * Krock gives sfan5 a cookie
17:35 kaeza s/a/ / :)
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17:52 PenguinDad Calinou: paramat is a core developer?
17:52 Calinou no idea
17:52 Calinou still a developer I'd say
17:53 Calinou even though he probably doesn't have commit access
17:53 Calinou but you can't say Minetest is KISS when we have BlockMen or such
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17:54 PenguinDad But you're right regarding KISS
17:54 * ElectronLibre check : BlockMen isn't on the chan. >_>
17:56 rubenwardy It could be worse
17:57 rubenwardy :P
17:57 kaeza like FM <_<
17:58 * kaeza hides
17:58 ElectronLibre FM?
17:58 PenguinDad FailMiner
17:58 kaeza Frequency Modulation
17:58 kaeza :P
17:58 kaeza Freeminer
17:58 PenguinDad lol
17:58 rub3nwardy Hilarious
17:59 ElectronLibre Oh, Freeminer, ok.
17:59 kaeza (a fork of Minetest)
17:59 ElectronLibre Yes, I know it.
17:59 * PenguinDad wonders why all minetest forks suck
17:59 rub3nwardy At least it doesn't contains a pokemon or mlp mod
18:00 * sfan5 curls up to rub3nwardy's lap
18:00 rubenwardy Lol. My IRC client can't handle /me yet
18:00 ElectronLibre rubenwardy, which one are you using? xD
18:00 Calinou why not?
18:00 kaeza hmm
18:00 PenguinDad But it doesn't contain a kitten mod either :(
18:00 rubenwardy Calinou: rub3nwardy
18:00 Calinou you're using the same client (and kernel!) as me
18:01 kaeza !c "\1ACTION :is awesome\1"
18:01 MinetestBot '\x01ACTION :is awesome\x01'
18:01 kaeza :(
18:01 rubenwardy I am making a HTML5 client using NodeJS.
18:01 kaeza actually, misplaced colon anyway
18:02 PenguinDad npm is the diva of package managers >_>
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18:10 rub3nwardy !c 2+2
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18:16 cities hi shadowzone
18:16 shadowzone Hi.
18:16 cities I connected to inchra
18:16 shadowzone I see that.
18:16 shadowzone Welcome to InchraNet.
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18:40 * rubenwardy can't find any documentation on how /me works
18:40 * shadowzone does /me
18:40 * VanessaE looks at rubenwardy
18:40 ElectronLibre ./me <action>
18:40 rubenwardy I see the problem
18:40 kaeza rubenwardy, PRIVMSG <target> :\1ACTION <message>\1
18:40 ElectronLibre Like in minetest ^^.
18:40 rubenwardy I was trying to use DuckDuckGo as a search engine
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18:44 ElectronLibre I takes me around 30 minutes watching every new posts on the forum every evening >_>...
18:44 ElectronLibre *It
18:44 * kaeza tests
18:46 OldCoder kaeza, FWIW I'm running MT IRC channels over at Inchra. They work fine.
18:46 OldCoder SilverCrab is a success but we need to merge with other copies.
18:46 kaeza OldCoder, nice
18:47 OldCoder The three main 0.4.10 worlds are Meowtest (sfan5), Landrush (pitriss), and SilverCrab (me, Sokomine, Erthome)
18:47 OldCoder Oh, and Lord of the Test (FishyWet and Amaz)
18:47 OldCoder The others will return one by one
18:47 OldCoder
18:48 cities whats this places connection with inchrea
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18:49 * rub3nwardy is awesome!
18:50 shadowzone I don't think there is any connection.
18:50 cities I saw someone else mention it
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18:51 rubenwardy SilverCrab? Don't you mean RedCrab?
18:52 rubenwardy Oh, is it a clone
18:52 ElectronLibre RedCrab is closed, isn't it?
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18:52 rub3nwardy Yeah, it went offline,.
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18:57 Krock Y?
18:58 rub3nwardy Owner stopped paying, I think
18:58 rub3nwardy I haven't used it since late 2012
18:58 Calinou <rubenwardy> I am making a HTML5 client using NodeJS.
18:58 Calinou cool, I would like to see more in-Web clients
18:59 rubenwardy It is a new take on an old idea
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19:00 rubenwardy Hmmm...
19:00 * rub3nwardy is cool!
19:00 kaeza :D
19:01 rub3nwardy screenie: https://cdn.mediacru.sh/VyDG507cieS5.png
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19:07 OldCoder RedCrab was up until about 2 weeks ago. It simply broke.
19:08 OldCoder Yes, SilverCrab is a capture. Incomplete but a lot is there including Travelnet cities.
19:08 OldCoder We're going to try to merge two other captures; a total of three.
19:08 OldCoder We've been tweaking mods to reassemble a compatible _game
19:08 OldCoder
19:08 Calinou it looks strange… several channels at once?
19:08 Calinou (could be useful)
19:09 OldCoder Hm? What channels?
19:09 Calinou OldCoder, this is why I don't believe in overmodded servers (sadly the majority of popular servers)
19:09 Calinou <rub3nwardy> screenie: https://cdn.mediacru.sh/VyDG507cieS5.png
19:09 Calinou on this
19:09 OldCoder R
19:09 OldCoder cities, There are Minetest people at Inchra. But this is the official channel.
19:10 cities oh ok
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19:10 OldCoder We're trying to find the right balance of mods, Calinou. Some are clearly a bit much. Nether, I'm talking to you :P
19:13 BlockMen Calinou, got your period again?
19:15 Calinou OldCoder, personally I find the game better with only a few mods that really answer a need
19:15 Calinou so heavy mods like Mesecons can be fine, depending on your server
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19:22 Krock Megaf_, http://i.imgur.com/qZOKn5U.png
19:22 Megaf_ lol Krock
19:22 Krock got one GFLOP!
19:23 Krock \o/
19:23 Megaf_ my Raspberry Pi is just 24 times faster than your CPU
19:23 * Krock doesn't care llalaalla
19:23 Megaf_ and using only 3.5 Watts for the whole board
19:23 Megaf_ Krock: your money cares
19:23 Megaf_ anyway, we cant run minetest server on the GPU
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19:25 Megaf_ so a Broadcom VideoCore IV @ 250 MHz is 24 times faster than a Celeron at 3060 MHz
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19:32 Calinou don't compare GFLOPS or such
19:32 sfan5 Megaf_: you can't compare GPU gflops with CPU flops
19:32 Calinou compare real task speeds
19:32 sfan5 +g
19:32 Calinou a Titan has ~1,050 GFLOPS IIRC
19:37 shadowzone !seen myself
19:37 MinetestBot shadowzone: Sorry, I haven't seen myself around.
19:37 ElectronLibre This bot is crazy '_'.
19:37 sfan5 !ignore *@unaffiliated/shadowzone
19:37 MinetestBot sfan5: '*!*@unaffiliated/shadowzone' added to ignore list.
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19:38 Jordach #rekt
19:38 sfan5 nono
19:38 OldCoder Calinou, but people like decorative blocks and furniture. Beds, TV sets, plants, etc. Why shouldn't a world be comfortable and pleasant?
19:38 sfan5 [ ] rekt
19:38 sfan5 [ ] not rekt
19:38 Jordach sfan5, needs airhorns
19:38 sfan5 [x] tyranosaurus rekt
19:38 sfan5 (or however you spell that)
19:38 cities I need to get me one of those raspberry pis
19:39 cities don't know what the crap to do with it though
19:39 shadowzone I have a rasberry pi.
19:39 shadowzone Somewhere.
19:39 sfan5 cities: buy a banana pi, better
19:39 cities of course you do you're a child prodigy
19:39 PenguinDad Why is there still no strawberry e?
19:39 OldCoder straw-berr-e ?
19:40 shadowzone I am?
19:40 cities maybe getting one I can learn how to program
19:40 Hobodium banana pis have their own issues
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19:41 MinetestBot You don't need a rPI to start programming, even your own computer is fine!
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19:41 shadowzone cities, do you need servos?
19:41 Hobodium Oh crap, MinetestBot gained sentience! The robot war is now!
19:42 Amaz XD
19:42 cities ern what shadowzone
19:42 shadowzone Look it up.
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19:42 cities I look up about every third word that gets posted in here.
19:42 PenguinDad Hobodium: http://what-if.xkcd.com/5/ :P
19:42 cities I still don't know what it is.
19:42 sfan5 now who was this?
19:43 cities A servomechanism, sometimes shortened to servo, is an automatic device that uses error-sensing negative feedback to correct the performance of a mechanism and is defined by its function.[1] It usually includes a built-in encoder.[2]
19:43 sfan5 ooh
19:43 shadowzone That.
19:43 sfan5 meow, Jordach :3
19:43 cities what the heck is that
19:43 shadowzone If not get a beaglebone.
19:43 Hobodium PenguinDad: Counterpoint: http://www.redicecreations.co​m/ul_img/24525finalform_.jpg
19:43 shadowzone It is almost the same as a rPI but it doesn't have servos, and runs better.
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19:44 PenguinDad lol
19:44 cities There are already many articles out there comparing Arduino, Raspberry Pi, and BeagleBone Black; this is not one of those articles. I believe it is clear that Arduino is in a different league than the Raspberry Pi or BeagleBone Black, and serves an entirely different purpose.
19:44 shadowzone It is.
19:44 cities I don't know what servos is
19:45 shadowzone I have a friend on here that uses the beaglebone and the Arduino.
19:45 Hobodium cities: little motors that spin
19:46 Hobodium well, not necessarily little, but I figured we were tlaking about servos that arduinos and beagles use
19:47 cities umm well
19:47 cities raspberri pi has more ports and Iw ouldn't need a USB hub?
19:47 cities and I already have a SD card
19:48 Hobodium usb hub is a depends. You need a hub if you plan on running anything that uses poer
19:48 Hobodium power* although mice and keyboards are usually good
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19:49 cities well that's all very interesting
19:49 cities never heard of the beaglebone before today
19:49 sfan5 Hobodium: whats wrong with banana pies?
19:50 cities someone has a video on youtube of minecraft on raspberry pi
19:51 Calinou <OldCoder> Calinou, but people like decorative blocks and furniture. Beds, TV sets, plants, etc. Why shouldn't a world be comfortable and pleasant?
19:51 Calinou it ends up clogging everyone's loading times, RAM and such…
19:51 Calinou giving more stuff doesn't make people more creative
19:51 Calinou in fact, it can be the inverse
19:52 Calinou there is a (proprietary) Pi edition, cities
19:52 Calinou it sucks
19:52 cities I'm still in the dark about those things. What happens when you connect them to a monitor, keyboard, and turn them on
19:52 cities theres no OS? its a command line or something?
19:52 Hobodium sfan5: Not to disparage it, but if you plan on doing anything with the GPIO then you will find that not many of the premade addon boards will work with it, and there wasn't a very in depth gpio framework for it last I looked into it.
19:56 cities omg theres so many
19:56 cities operating systems you can put on it
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19:58 cities that sounds fun to mess with
19:59 Hobodium They are fun, although if you are looking to learn how to program there are better resources to do so.
20:00 cities well
20:00 cities aside from the learning
20:00 cities looks fun
20:00 Calinou browsing skin menu, when suddenly…
20:00 cities It'd be an accomplish for me just to get raspian or something running on there
20:01 Calinou https://cdn.mediacru.sh/IvzMbhqsfgqE.png
20:03 Calinou PenguinDad, ^
20:06 PenguinDad I've already seen these skins
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20:09 Hobodium How come all these companies are providing service bundles for students after I have left college, blargh. I want free services! I'm still poor!
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20:21 Krock Calinou, by nman3600, eh? :P
20:21 PenguinDad Krock: yesh
20:22 Calinou Hobodium, student discounts are scams
20:24 Hobodium I understand a lot of the time it is to lock people into ecosystems, but when it comes down to "have this service available so I can know how to use it properly so I can get a real job or not have any learning opportunity whatsoever" I know which I would prefer
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20:39 MinetestBot [git] ShadowNinja -> minetest/minetest: Fix object reference pushing functions when called from coroutines 741df99 http://git.io/m-Irag (2014-10-07T16:37:45-04:00)
20:40 * PenguinDad just laughed so hard he nearly died
20:40 shadowzone o.O
20:41 PenguinDad Trap remix with airhorns xD
20:42 OldCoder Calinou, then Lego should only have red 3x2 bricks and nothing else?
20:45 Calinou no
20:45 Calinou but go slowly on which mods you add
20:46 Calinou people often go like “I'll need this! …aand this! …and this!” when they add mods without knowing why
20:46 Calinou it's a frequent problem in software
20:49 Jordach ...or in BFDs case: get what you're given
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20:50 Hobodium I can agree that is a major problem (even within mods themselves) when it comes to the mine* games. It's really easy to add features without adding game or fun.
20:50 Calinou if you were complaining about the lack of building blocks, I'd say you get a comparable number of blocks to Minecraft if you use minetest_game + More Blocks
20:50 Calinou there's an hyper-modded server I play on, I often stutter (despite having 60 FPS), feels like having 40 FPS at best
20:51 Calinou ambience sounds can't be disabled client-side without disabling all sounds
20:52 speak Hobodium: That's why it's nice to have a well though out minegame, which has been balanced carefully
20:52 speak Which I haven't been able to find yet in a minegame!
20:52 MinetestBot [git] LeMagnesium -> minetest/minetest: Add a better error message when trying to teleport another player without bring privileges cba038e http://git.io/EogvJA (2014-10-07T16:51:50-04:00)
20:52 Hobodium speak: Yeah. It's also why I absolutely love the minetest layout, both because you can make a custom game package with all the mods you want easily, and since all the code is editable you can manually tweak it to perfection!
20:53 speak Hobodium: Yeah for sure. It just helps if someone does all the balancing for you, if you don't have time for tweaking
20:53 MinetestBot [git] LeMagnesium -> minetest/minetest: Add a better error message when trying to teleport another player without bring privileges b98e8d6 http://git.io/olhQcQ (2014-10-07T16:52:52-04:00)
20:54 * PenguinDad throws LeRubidium at MinetestBot :>
20:54 Hobodium Right, but as that potential person I like having the ability to do so instead of having to arbitrarily including mods that might have extremely different power levels and not being able to fix it
20:55 speak But yeah, not critiquing minetest, I'm sure that with time some amazing minegames will emerge
20:57 zat player transfer distance should be configurable....
20:58 Amaz Can the colorize modifier by used with overlaid teaxtures only, so like just the side of the grass on a dirt with grass node, and not the dirt underneath?
21:00 Calinou Amaz, with a hack, yes, but not like you would expect
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21:00 Calinou 1) have grass side texture
21:00 Calinou 2) colour it
21:00 Calinou 3) have dirt texture with the grass pixels (on top) removed
21:01 Calinou overlay that all, in the right order
21:01 Calinou no guarantees, but that could work
21:01 Calinou you need an additional texture for the dirt
21:02 Amaz So the dirt and grass are different textures?
21:02 Calinou they already are?
21:02 Amaz I think so.
21:02 Calinou but here you make a dirt texture where you remove the top pixels, to let the grass texture, which will be below, seen
21:02 kilbith both are concenated
21:02 Amaz Right.
21:03 kilbith with [image1.png]^[image2]
21:03 Amaz That sounds promising.
21:04 BlockMen AFAIK you can set an order of modfieres with breaks
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21:05 BlockMen at least there was a pull for that
21:06 Amaz Okay.
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21:11 PenguinDad My nodes are vomiting pixel garbage D: http://a.pomf.se/sytyjm.png
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21:13 Amaz Yay!
21:13 Amaz It works!
21:13 Hobodium That really is vomit, isn't it
21:13 Hobodium With a hint of patriotism
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21:29 OldCoder shadowzone or ShadowNinja is areas mod yours?
21:29 OldCoder I think selecting a small area or an elevated one crashes the server
21:30 ShadowNinja OldCoder: It's mine.
21:30 shadowzone It is ShadowNinja's.
21:30 shadowzone ShadowNinja, Shadowserver crashed, FYI.
21:30 OldCoder Is this a known issue? Thanks. I just crashed SilverCrab twice.
21:30 ShadowNinja OldCoder: > 32,000 nodes away maybe.
21:30 OldCoder No, 2 nodes away
21:30 OldCoder I'll experiment further
21:30 ShadowNinja OldCoder: Ping timeout, not crash.
21:30 OldCoder But it happened twice. Happened instantly.
21:31 OldCoder A player placed a block.
21:31 ShadowNinja OldCoder: Error messages?
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21:31 OldCoder None; just a total lockup
21:31 OldCoder I did area_pos1 and pos2 around the block
21:31 OldCoder /set_owner name name
21:31 OldCoder Lockup. Not a known issue?
21:31 aldobr hi all
21:31 ShadowNinja Odd, SilverCrab has a lot of areas, but I've used just as many areas on a test server without a hitch.
21:32 OldCoder Is it the small size of the area?
21:32 OldCoder I'll test using a copy of the world, maybe this weekend
21:32 aldobr anybody knows a definitive way to detect if a file exists in minetest mod ?
21:32 aldobr besides opening it for read
21:32 ShadowNinja OldCoder: No, not a known issue.  And I have working 1x1x1 areas.
21:32 OldCoder ShadowNinja, thank you then; see above. I will test.
21:32 OldCoder If it is 100% reproducible I will invite you to the copy.
21:33 kaeza aldobr, no other way, unless you want to pull in luafs or something like that
21:33 aldobr ok
21:33 ShadowNinja aldobr: Nope, other than even hackier ways such as using os.execute to call stat.
21:33 ShadowNinja Or LFS, of course.
21:33 aldobr ok, opening the file for read is almost good enough
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21:42 zat1 kaeza: firearms is deeeeeed
21:43 PenguinDad zat1: indeeeeeed
21:45 zat1 its bork
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21:51 Lugal763462 hey guys, can you send me the link to the best creature mod? with sand monster, humen, and animals?
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21:54 Miner_48er Lugal763462 search forum.minetest.net
21:55 kaeza zat1, error pls
21:56 kaeza zat1, also, old version or new version?
21:59 Lugal763462 found it
21:59 Lugal763462 but why is it not in the ingame mod store?
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22:02 kaeza because the developer didn't submit it yet
22:02 kaeza ?
22:05 Lugal763462 that's not the mod I meant, the humen are missing
22:05 Lugal763462 where do I find it?
22:05 aldobr let me check something : if i issue minetest.after(), the event is triggered, will it trigger again or its just one shot ?
22:05 kaeza one shot
22:05 aldobr is there a problem if i retrigger it from inside the called function ?
22:06 aldobr schedulerautosave = function() scheduler.savescheduler(datafile) minetest.after(schedulerautosaveticks, schedulerautosave) end
22:06 aldobr like this
22:06 aldobr will it clog the stack ?
22:06 PenguinDad Lugal763462: this one? https://github.com/MirceaKit​sune/minetest_mods_creatures
22:06 kaeza not at all, but use the `local function foo()` idiom instead of `[local] foo = function()`
22:07 kaeza (and do use `local` unless your function is a documented public API)
22:07 aldobr ok
22:07 kaeza do not pollute the global environment any more :(
22:08 PenguinDad kaeza: Luapeace :D
22:08 kaeza :D
22:08 aldobr whats wrong with name = function () ?
22:09 kaeza aldobr, it creates a global function, and if you mean `local foo = function()`, then if you reference `foo` inside itself, Lua won't take it as the same "variable"
22:09 aldobr hmmm
22:10 kaeza (in that case, it would look for a global `foo`)
22:10 kaeza Lua handles it correctly if you use `local function foo()`
22:11 aldobr i am rewriting all my mods in a more sober fashion
22:11 aldobr instead of hacking around i am writing clear apis for reutilization
22:12 aldobr i am working now on the scheduler api
22:12 aldobr for the mint mod
22:23 Lugal763462 the mod is not working properly, but it seems to be the right one
22:25 Lugal763462 the mods are not shown , just pink squares
22:25 Lugal763462 what do I do?
22:29 zat1 Vadtec gk; ifoodlk .do;gsl
22:29 zat1 kaeza: its current version***
22:29 zat1 (sorry)
22:30 zat kaeza: firearmslib/explosion.lua:44: attempt to index field 'entity' (a nil value)
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22:40 kaeza zat, you are using older version. use https://github.com/kaeza/mt-firearms
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22:41 zat kaeza: uh when did you update it
22:42 kaeza according to git log, May 31 (probably a bit before that)
22:43 zat loooool
22:43 kaeza err, October 13th, 2013 actually
22:43 zat uh there are no aliases for the old items
22:44 kaeza that's because it's a complete rewrite
22:45 kaeza ditched some useless stuff and added more eye candy ;)
22:45 kaeza also, OMG zoom!
22:49 zat kaeza: http://uppix.com/f-screensho​t_3972754346dc20017cb12.jpg
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22:56 kaeza zat, oops, forgot to push the patch. here https://github.com/kaeza/mt-firearms/commi​t/80de478a9f1b9bff00da861cc0b94a3aa3b1e337
22:56 zat loooooool
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23:08 Fritigern Playing with the skins updater python script. I know nothing about programming in Python, but i looked up the error that i kept recieving, which was "NameError: name 'StandardError' is not defined"
23:08 zat loooooool
23:08 Fritigern Turns out that StandardErroor was removed from Python 3,
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23:09 iqualfragile turns out Erroor is not the correct spelling?
23:09 Fritigern So.... I replaced all instances of StandardError with Exception
23:09 Fritigern Don;t be an ass, iqualfragile
23:11 Fritigern Anyway, the script still exists with an error, but it is different now, and it appears to be more relevant now as it is about a completely different line. "AttributeError: 'int' object has no attribute 'read'"
23:11 Fritigern Before, it threw an error about the error (no trypo, it threw an error about the error)
23:13 iqualfragile Fritigern: gib code
23:13 Fritigern What?
23:13 iqualfragile give me the code you are currently looking at so i can colaborate
23:14 Fritigern Pastebinning...
23:14 iqualfragile no
23:14 iqualfragile not pastebin
23:15 Fritigern Too bad, Pastebin is what i use. http://pastebin.com/t0YAWTng
23:15 iqualfragile too bad i can't help you then
23:15 Fritigern Well, screw you then
23:15 iqualfragile but most likely he tries to parse some strings as int
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23:16 iqualfragile in python3 you can just do int(string)
23:16 iqualfragile hope that helps
23:16 iqualfragile also please don't behave rudely, im trying to help you here
23:17 zat iqualfragile: so whats the issue with pastebin?
23:23 iqualfragile Fritigern: https://github.com/SmallJoker/minetest-u_skinsdb try this?
23:24 iqualfragile but… dude that code looks ugl
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23:26 Lugal763462 lol, today I was reading an article about open source programmers being rude, and now I see people bein rude in this chat room :P
23:26 Lugal763462 I hope its now always like that
23:26 Fritigern at IS the code that i have trouble with. Note the instances of the deprecated StandardError, and the hashbang for Python 3
23:26 iqualfragile Lugal763462: oh the big systemd flamewar will rage on for eternity
23:27 iqualfragile Fritigern: i will take a swing at it, 10 minutes
23:27 zat Lugal763462: only certain people are
23:27 zat it speaks about themselves rather than being programmers
23:28 iqualfragile Lugal763462: for example: usually im rude, but at the moment im a programmer so im not, understood?
23:29 Lugal763462 lol
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23:32 Lugal763462 what was the reason for the systemd flamewar?
23:33 iqualfragile Lugal763462: systemd started out as a superious init system for linux, which sped up the startup by quite a lot, everybody was happy with that
23:33 Fritigern BRB
23:33 iqualfragile but then it started becoming a bigger project that replaces lots of linux software and people are not so happy about that
23:36 Lugal763462 oh ok :O
23:40 Fritigern Back
23:41 Fritigern So, the biggest question that i have about the python script is why does it error after a seemingly random amount of pages? What causes the error, and why won;t the script recover from it?
23:42 Fritigern I know nothing about writing python, so i can't really find out on my own.
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23:45 Fritigern Krock [
23:46 Fritigern oops, wrong line
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23:54 iqualfragile Fritigern: yes, you can, python is stupidly easy to learn
23:54 iqualfragile but you won't have to, im rewriting the script at the moment
23:55 Fritigern I saw that a patch was submitted earlier. Replacing f.write(base64.b64decode(s["img"])) with f.write(base64.b64decode(bytes(s["img"], 'utf-8'))). Giving that a whirl
23:56 iqualfragile Fritigern: also, don't worry, whoever wrote that skript clearly does not know python either
23:59 Fritigern Well, Krock forked it from dmonty, and used his script as a basis, but never seems to have fixed the errors in it, just applied some patches without testing them. Or at least that goes for the last patch

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