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01:21 MinetestBot [Git] BlockMen -> minetest/minetest_game: Allow only boat driver to be detached from boat (fixes #276) 349a63e http://git.io/nLD6Wg (2014-10-03T03:20:31+02:00)
01:26 hisforever what is a mob_archer?
01:26 jojoa1997 hisforever link to code?
01:27 * Fritigern would thinkk that mob_archer is the MT equivalent of a skeleton
01:27 hisforever ok hummm
01:27 Fritigern Just guessing....
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01:28 hisforever I have a body in my single player thats look mad lol
01:28 hisforever would love to get rid of him
01:28 Fritigern KILL IT!!! KILL IT WITH FIRE!!!!
01:28 hisforever ok I'll try it
01:29 Fritigern Do not forget to make a sacrifice to the Node of Nodes
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01:46 hisforever I have Neuromancer game is there a way to disable the meanies that are in this game lol'
01:47 hisforever or should I just find another game?
01:48 hisforever I just like to build mine and eat lol don't want monsters hehe
01:49 hisforever night all thanks for the help today its bed time
01:49 hisforever God bless
01:51 Fritigern !tell hisforever If you just want to build, mine and farm, you'd be better off finding a game without mobs.
01:51 MinetestBot Fritigern: I'll pass that on when hisforever is around
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02:28 andre_pl_ is there a lua json library available to minetest mods? or something similar like yaml?
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02:48 * Zeno` drops a pin
02:48 Zeno` Anyone hear that?
02:49 VanessaE ssssshhhhhhh
02:50 * friti throws Zeno` an angry look "Can we PLEAASE have some peace and quiet in here?"
02:50 friti :-))
02:51 Fritigern Darn, i really should fix this nick issue
02:51 Zeno` lol
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03:02 Fritigern I think i may have fixed that stupid nick thing
03:03 Fritigern VanessaE: Did you get my message about the spider webs?
03:03 VanessaE ?
03:03 VanessaE what message?
03:03 Fritigern My logs are missing, or i would have pasted it. You were either asleep, or just AFK
03:03 VanessaE are they broken?
03:03 Zeno` no spiders in them
03:03 VanessaE oh
03:03 Fritigern Well, they are broken, unless it's intentional behavior.
03:04 VanessaE having no spiders on the webs is intentional yes :)
03:05 Fritigern Don;t listen to Zeno, he's not speaking for me.
03:05 VanessaE heh ok
03:05 Fritigern I meant to use them to resemble smoke from a chimney, but the first web is 3D, but the next one is sitting flat against the first web.
03:06 VanessaE oh, that's neither a bug nor intentional, rather just a corner case that I didn't bother to catch because of how I expected people to use them is all
03:06 Fritigern Some still were 3D (as in visibly took up the sapce of a single node), but they are very unpredictable
03:07 VanessaE they always try to fill a corner if there is one, or suspend between two opposite walls, or lay flat on a wall, or if none of the above then they take up a whole node
03:08 Fritigern Can it be made so that a corner, formed with two ro more webs, or a web+another node, does not regiaster as a corner?
03:08 VanessaE oh sure
03:08 VanessaE that's easily done, I just didn't expect anyone to try that :)
03:09 VanessaE question is what should the code do in that case?
03:10 VanessaE the easiest action is the fall-through,
03:10 VanessaE which is to take up a whole node
03:10 VanessaE in which case I can simply ignore any webs when checking for wall nodes
03:13 Fritigern Pics of how i have used the webs: https://www.dropbox.com/s/3k​kplekor7e5tda/Smoky.png?dl=0 and https://www.dropbox.com/s/5hw​m2quoy8xosv6/Smoky2.png?dl=0
03:13 VanessaE now THAT is an interesting trick
03:14 Fritigern To be quite honest, it's rather common on MC
03:14 VanessaE yeah, making them simply default to the plantlike/whole node shape is bext
03:14 VanessaE best*
03:14 VanessaE ok, I will fix that.
03:14 VanessaE lemme take a quick look
03:14 Fritigern Have as many looks as you like, quick, not-so-quick or nesquick ;-)
03:16 VanessaE Fritigern: apply this to your homedecor and try it out.   http://pastebin.com/YCCdECT7
03:16 Fritigern BTW, my builds are never anything impressive. I just lack imagination and/or tenacity to make something that looks like the stuff that has impressed me
03:16 Fritigern And i will!
03:16 VanessaE tell me if that's the effect you were looking for
03:17 VanessaE hm, wait
03:17 VanessaE that didn't work :P
03:18 VanessaE oh, oops
03:18 VanessaE copy&paste error.
03:19 VanessaE yeah, ignore that patch entire.y
03:19 VanessaE entirely*
03:19 VanessaE apply this instead:  http://pastebin.com/8wzmS6xY
03:22 Fritigern Ignored, and new one applied (i have never figured out how to apply a diff, so copy/pasted it manually)
03:22 Fritigern OMG! YOU MADE MY COMPUTER EXPLODE!!! IT'S ON FIRE!!!!!
03:22 VanessaE haha
03:22 Fritigern :-)))
03:23 Fritigern You believe me, right?
03:23 Zeno` I am speaking for Zeno`: There are no spiders
03:23 VanessaE yeah about as far as I can throw you ;)
03:23 Fritigern Have i ever lied to you?
03:23 Fritigern I mean, did you ever catch me?
03:23 rickmcfarley Fritigern: smoke looks cool
03:25 Fritigern VanessaE: It works great! The webs being able to be placed flat against the wall is still a bit unexpected for someone who is used to MC's behaviour of webs, but now it is predicatable, and the webs can be much easier be used for smoke!
03:26 Fritigern rickmcfarley: Thank you!
03:26 VanessaE Fritigern: good deal.  I have never played MC so I'm not aware of how its cobwebs differ in that flat-on-wall behavior though
03:26 VanessaE what does it do?
03:27 * VanessaE pushes that commit.
03:27 Fritigern In MC, the webs have just one way of placement. Like a full node.
03:27 VanessaE ahhh
03:27 VanessaE yeah, I wanted something with some actual placement logic.
03:27 VanessaE in fact they now seem to form almost sideways rails :D
03:29 * Fritigern thinks about trying to put together a game or modpack that mimics MC as closely as possible, using currently available mods, but WITHOUT mobs. :-)
03:31 Fritigern Then again, i am sure that it has been done before. I'd better try to be a little more original
03:31 VanessaE attempts have been made but no one has really succeeded I don't think
03:34 Fritigern Wel, i wonder. Should i attampt this, and should i be (moderately) succesful. It could be a good entry point for MC veterans
03:34 Fritigern As long as they keep in mind that MT != MC
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03:35 Fritigern Just like OpenSim != Second Life
03:36 Fritigern There are strong similarities, but there are also profound and deliberate differences.
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03:55 * VanessaE shrugs ..  go for it, Fritigern  :-)
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04:17 OldCoder I
04:17 OldCoder I'm trying to figure out how much of RedCrab I have
04:17 OldCoder Does anybody know the coords of anything in RedCrab? And what is the teleport command?
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04:18 VanessaE no idea where everything is, but there is an old map on the forum thread, https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=1705
04:19 OldCoder What is the teleport command?
04:19 VanessaE /teleport xxxx,yyyy,zzzz   will get you around
04:19 OldCoder I thought so but it's being ignored
04:19 OldCoder So is /time even though I have Name
04:19 VanessaE odd.
04:20 VanessaE oh btw, remember "death plants" or whatever it was you called them?  :)  they went to the master branch of plantlife.  update ASAP.
04:20 OldCoder kk
04:20 OldCoder What could be wrong if /time is ignored?
04:20 VanessaE that would suggest lag, or disconnect.
04:20 OldCoder Restarting
04:20 VanessaE sometimes the server will disconnect from the client without actually telling it to do so
04:21 VanessaE it's some obscure networking glitch
04:21 OldCoder Better
04:21 OldCoder OK looks like I have part of RedCrab
04:22 OldCoder Rob565 or whatever has the rest
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04:27 OldCoder VanessaE, others: ANNOUNCE: Try out minetest.org port 30019 SilverCrab. This is part of RedCrab. Somebody find Rob565 etc. and ask him to copy the rest to me.
04:28 VanessaE ehm..
04:28 VanessaE /spawn puts me in a black void.
04:28 OldCoder Hm? I fixed that
04:28 OldCoder Wait
04:29 OldCoder How do I grant all to you?
04:29 VanessaE /grant VanessaEzekowitz all
04:29 VanessaE but you don't need to
04:29 VanessaE hm, unified inventory eh?
04:29 OldCoder Suggest changes as you wish
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04:30 OldCoder Fixed spawn
04:31 VanessaE now to figure out where the hell I am :)
04:31 OldCoder But need to restart
04:31 OldCoder You are near me
04:31 VanessaE PH!
04:31 VanessaE oH!
04:31 VanessaE I'm right by my house!
04:31 OldCoder Is it there?
04:31 VanessaE yep, I'm at the front door thereof
04:31 OldCoder Are the innards there?
04:32 VanessaE yes but your map is out of date a bit
04:32 OldCoder By a few months
04:32 OldCoder Do you know Rob565?
04:32 VanessaE I replaced these TVs with the ones from homedecor many moons ago :)
04:32 OldCoder Name approximate
04:32 VanessaE nope, I do not
04:32 OldCoder He supposedly has a current copy of the map
04:32 OldCoder If somebody finds him and asks, I can host the whole thing
04:33 OldCoder Make a list of mod changes needed
04:33 VanessaE but yeah, everything's here so far'
04:33 VanessaE lemme explore around a bit
04:33 OldCoder Quitip
04:33 OldCoder What does that mean?
04:33 OldCoder Large brick sign
04:34 VanessaE where?
04:34 OldCoder Near 296, 43, 120
04:34 OldCoder May I restart to set spawn?
04:34 OldCoder Oh, wait
04:35 VanessaE wait a moment
04:36 VanessaE the spawn should be at -12, +8, -29 btw
04:37 VanessaE anyway everything along the path between my house and the spawn seems to be in good order so far
04:37 VanessaE go ahead and restart at your leisure
04:37 VanessaE OH
04:37 OldCoder Setting spawn
04:37 OldCoder Go on
04:37 Zeno` Does it need a restart? /set doesn't do the trick?
04:37 OldCoder static_spawnpoint = -12, 8, -29 ?
04:37 OldCoder Zeno`, give full command
04:38 VanessaE I keep seeing "ERROR[main]: Map:setNode(): Not allowing to place CONTENT_IGNORE while trying to replace "tv:screen_x" at (foo) (block (bar))
04:38 VanessaE where x, foo, and bar are variable depending on where I am
04:38 OldCoder Wait
04:38 Zeno` /set static_spawnpoint = -12, 9, -29
04:38 OldCoder I tried that, it worked, but seems to be inside something
04:38 Zeno` I don't know if that updates the .conf file so you probably need to update it there as well
04:39 OldCoder Yes, but the location is wrong
04:39 Zeno` /set static_spawnpoint -12, 9, -29
04:39 OldCoder VanessaE, thanks, reviewing tv
04:39 Brains Well that was interesting...  Apparently pouring water from a water can over a mailbox destroys the mailbox.
04:39 VanessaE also, below the spawn building, I see a mass of unknown nodes
04:39 VanessaE but //inspect does not tell me what they are
04:40 OldCoder VanessaE, well, suggestions from anybody are welcome
04:40 OldCoder Shall I drop tv ?
04:40 VanessaE no, don't drop it, I fixed it a while back.  there should be a zip or so on Jordach's thread for it
04:40 OldCoder Hm. Link?
04:40 VanessaE but at the time, all I was fixing was a broken image link
04:40 VanessaE not a broken node link
04:41 OldCoder Something to do with the missing nodes
04:41 VanessaE yeah, looks like the ABM that swaps the TV images is trying to swap in an undefined TV node
04:41 OldCoder All of this looks repairable
04:41 VanessaE yes, quite so
04:41 VanessaE just little glitches
04:41 OldCoder What's the command to tap on an unknown block?
04:41 VanessaE //inspect on
04:41 VanessaE then punch it
04:42 VanessaE but it doesn't work here
04:42 VanessaE at least not with these particular ones
04:42 VanessaE one sec
04:42 OldCoder Snow needles. They'll disappear when I reset the world.
04:42 VanessaE can you tail -f debug.txt please?
04:42 OldCoder Yes
04:42 OldCoder Moment
04:43 OldCoder Had it turned off
04:43 OldCoder Will restart with (a) reset world (b) new spawn (c) debug on
04:45 VanessaE waiting.
04:45 OldCoder Moment
04:45 OldCoder Fixes take 90 seconds you know :P
04:45 VanessaE haha
04:45 OldCoder Deleting a few mods
04:47 OldCoder Restarted
04:48 VanessaE hm, digging that unknown block just causes it to reappear.  that's unusual.
04:48 OldCoder Invalid command /spawn ?
04:48 VanessaE invalid.
04:48 OldCoder ?
04:48 OldCoder Shouldn't it work?
04:48 VanessaE you bwoke it! :P
04:49 OldCoder Hm
04:49 OldCoder Um, how?
04:50 VanessaE you must have deleted the mod that supplies that command
04:50 OldCoder I don't think so
04:50 OldCoder Checking
04:50 VanessaE btw, did you change the fly speed?  it seems slower.
04:50 OldCoder What should it be?
04:50 VanessaE 20m/s
04:50 OldCoder What is the setting?
04:51 VanessaE this feels more like around 10m/s or a bit less
04:51 OldCoder I mean
04:51 OldCoder How do I fix it?
04:51 VanessaE I'm not sure how it's set, usually some mod is used to change it
04:51 VanessaE some set player physics param
04:51 OldCoder I also don't see a mod that implements /spawn
04:51 VanessaE and I may be wrong about that
04:51 VanessaE did you have one of craig's "misc" modpacks?
04:52 OldCoder No
04:52 OldCoder I don't think so
04:52 VanessaE there is definitely a physics override in place here
04:52 VanessaE movement is very sharp and sudden
04:53 OldCoder Can list all the mods; will ask people for help
04:53 OldCoder But what happened to /spawn ?
04:53 * VanessaE looks
04:53 OldCoder I deleted the landrush* mods
04:53 VanessaE nether?
04:53 OldCoder and boats
04:53 OldCoder What about nether?
04:53 VanessaE you should remove that if you want to keep a standard redcrab map, that wasn't on the original :)
04:53 VanessaE but then again a lot of this stuff wasn't :P
04:53 VanessaE so that's up to you
04:53 * VanessaE looks some more
04:53 OldCoder It is a fake nether
04:54 VanessaE oh ok
04:54 OldCoder So, is /spawn a mod or core...
04:54 * OldCoder is not clear
04:54 OldCoder Wait, VanessaE... I can delete those blocks
04:54 VanessaE what is this "affects" mod?
04:54 OldCoder They need to be divided by 16 ?
04:54 OldCoder Reviewing
04:55 VanessaE /spawn is a mod
04:55 OldCoder But I didn't delete it
04:55 OldCoder What is the mod?
04:55 VanessaE /home is core (well minetest_game)
04:55 VanessaE one sec, I'll paste the one I uase
04:55 VanessaE use
04:55 OldCoder Affects
04:55 OldCoder This adds an API to easily affect players in various ways, both positive and neg
04:55 OldCoder ative.
04:56 VanessaE here we go.  make a new mod of this:  http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/8483570/
04:56 OldCoder R
04:56 VanessaE ( spawn/init.lua )
04:56 OldCoder Got it
04:56 VanessaE and set your server's static_spawnpoint accordingly
04:57 OldCoder Added
04:57 OldCoder Now, are the blocks that are weird
04:57 OldCoder coords divide by 16 to delete at DB level?
04:57 VanessaE yes
04:57 OldCoder Good
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04:58 OldCoder I think I can handle that
04:58 VanessaE sorry, I didn't catch that earlier.  :)
04:58 OldCoder Some nice stuff here
04:58 VanessaE wtf?
04:58 OldCoder Hm?
04:58 VanessaE why can't I get an //inspect on these unknown nodes?
04:59 OldCoder Nice buildings
04:59 VanessaE over here to the west of the spawn
04:59 OldCoder VanessaE, possible to worldedit them?
04:59 VanessaE the Ru building
04:59 VanessaE oh I'm sure I could but I don't wanna destroy them
04:59 VanessaE wait
04:59 VanessaE are these...
04:59 VanessaE I bet these are wool
05:00 OldCoder But I have wool
05:00 OldCoder checking
05:00 VanessaE the OLD wool
05:00 VanessaE the 32-color mone
05:00 VanessaE one*
05:00 OldCoder Wait
05:00 OldCoder October 2013
05:00 OldCoder Hang on, back installing
05:00 VanessaE the in-game wool mod is a bastardized version of the old one.  It only has like 15 colors.
05:01 OldCoder Hm
05:01 OldCoder VanessaE, how do I disable ingame? I *had* the old one
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05:01 VanessaE so yeah, if you find the old one and it still works, just delete the in-game one outright
05:01 OldCoder Minetest 0.4 mod: wool
05:01 OldCoder ======================
05:01 OldCoder Mostly backward-compatible with jordach's 16-color wool mod.
05:01 VanessaE ok good
05:01 OldCoder Where is the in-game one?
05:01 VanessaE just rm -rf minetest_game/wool
05:01 OldCoder Ah ty
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05:02 OldCoder Wait, you mean silvercrab_game/wool?
05:02 OldCoder Then what?
05:02 VanessaE well yeah :)
05:02 OldCoder Where do I get the correct one?
05:02 VanessaE one sec, lemme see if I can find it
05:02 OldCoder Also what about woolcraft
05:03 VanessaE you won't need that
05:03 OldCoder Delete it?
05:03 VanessaE is I can find the old mod anyway
05:03 VanessaE yes
05:03 OldCoder kk
05:06 VanessaE maybe it wasn't 32 colors...
05:06 VanessaE http://www.mediafire.com/?d9nzvn12xmf2i2r
05:06 OldCoder R
05:06 VanessaE this is the 16 color version
05:06 VanessaE that might be what redcrab was using
05:06 OldCoder Isn't that what I just deleted?
05:06 VanessaE no, you deleted the in-game one, which isn't complete
05:06 VanessaE for example, in-game lacks gold
05:06 VanessaE and a few others
05:06 VanessaE try that link
05:06 OldCoder am
05:07 OldCoder Added
05:07 OldCoder VanessaE, my hammer is an unknown block
05:07 OldCoder What mod shall I add?
05:08 VanessaE glooptest has hammers, but I don't think that's what redcrab used
05:08 VanessaE um..
05:08 OldCoder glooptest was incompatible I think
05:08 VanessaE I'm not sure off the top of my head
05:08 OldCoder Odd, where do hammers come from?
05:08 OldCoder Should I delete farming and farming+ ?
05:08 VanessaE castle mod has a hammer, and I think cottages has too
05:09 VanessaE farming and farming_plus should be fine
05:09 OldCoder There is none in the default game?
05:09 VanessaE they'll probably stay out of the way
05:09 VanessaE correct, default game has no hammer
05:09 VanessaE (nor a knife for that matter)
05:09 OldCoder What does it use instead?
05:09 VanessaE (which it kinda needs)
05:09 VanessaE it doesn't use anything at all.  odd huh?
05:09 OldCoder And what was RedCrab using, do you suppose?
05:09 VanessaE sec.
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05:09 VanessaE I'll go look
05:10 VanessaE if I can.
05:10 OldCoder kk
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05:11 VanessaE well the domain resolves, but the server does not connect.
05:12 OldCoder RedCrab? he is down
05:12 OldCoder That is the point
05:12 VanessaE oh derp
05:12 OldCoder So, what mod should I add to get a hammer?
05:12 VanessaE one moment.
05:12 OldCoder And what will I see if I start a default game
05:12 OldCoder instead of a hammer?
05:14 VanessaE there are a number of mods that have hammers
05:14 OldCoder Which would be safest?
05:14 VanessaE but I can't think what redcrab would have used
05:14 OldCoder And what will I see if I start a default game
05:14 OldCoder instead of a hammer?
05:14 VanessaE you'd see an unknown item is all
05:14 VanessaE just as now
05:14 VanessaE nothing special,
05:14 OldCoder Hm. So when I start there is a hand?
05:14 VanessaE actually, you'd be holding a little pink square
05:15 OldCoder Ah
05:15 OldCoder Well, preparing to restart
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05:15 VanessaE as for safest>?
05:16 VanessaE maybe cottages mod but that has lots of other stuff too
05:16 OldCoder kk
05:16 OldCoder So we don't know what he did
05:16 VanessaE castles I think has one, and it has less stuff
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05:16 VanessaE he may have coded a custom tool for that
05:16 OldCoder Ah
05:16 OldCoder kk
05:17 VanessaE glooptest has hammers of course, but it has extra stuff also, and I doubt redcrab used that
05:17 OldCoder Very well
05:17 OldCoder So there was a redcrab::hammer
05:17 OldCoder And you can't inspect it?
05:17 VanessaE possibly
05:17 OldCoder Since you are holding it
05:17 VanessaE wait.
05:17 VanessaE hm, damn.
05:18 OldCoder Restarting, then
05:18 VanessaE if you could somehow duplicate the undefined item, you can then drop one on the ground and it'll show up in your log
05:18 OldCoder This pass has your spawn mod, the old wool, more mods removed
05:18 VanessaE (I say dupe it so that you don't lose it)
05:18 OldCoder Duplicate your hammer?
05:18 OldCoder Wait, it's in inventory\
05:18 VanessaE I mean your hammer :)
05:18 VanessaE I don't have one
05:18 OldCoder Shouldn't I see it in the file ?
05:18 OldCoder I have one
05:19 VanessaE drop the undefined item on the ground and you'll see an entry in the debug log telling you the item name
05:19 VanessaE should give you an idea what the mod was
05:19 OldCoder How do I drop it?
05:19 VanessaE Q
05:19 Miner_48er why not look into your player file?
05:19 OldCoder I did
05:19 OldCoder It looks like
05:19 VanessaE oh derp
05:19 OldCoder landrush:landclaim
05:19 OldCoder Is that a hammer??
05:19 VanessaE Miner_48er: good point, I didn't think od that
05:19 VanessaE OldCoder: er, no
05:20 OldCoder OK then
05:20 VanessaE OldCoder: ok, the wool was not the key
05:20 VanessaE we're still missing nodes
05:20 OldCoder Well, not surprising
05:20 VanessaE either that or..
05:20 OldCoder Care to worldedit them? Or what does tapping on them do?
05:20 * VanessaE looks
05:21 VanessaE ok, that's the 16 color wool and not the default, for sure...so wtf were these nodes.
05:21 * VanessaE grumbles
05:21 OldCoder /spawn is working now thanks
05:21 OldCoder What happens if you tap on them?
05:21 * OldCoder likes fixing worlds
05:22 VanessaE nothing at all
05:22 OldCoder VanessaE, if you worldedit them
05:22 VanessaE //inspect on   and then punch, just doesn't do anything
05:22 OldCoder will this show up in the logs?
05:22 VanessaE I could worldedit them out but I don't want to destroy them
05:22 OldCoder This is a temporary copy
05:22 OldCoder Destroy away if it will identify them
05:22 VanessaE wait, you got rollback?
05:23 OldCoder Probably
05:23 VanessaE dammit.
05:24 VanessaE rollback doesn't work here properly.
05:24 OldCoder I could add debug code
05:24 OldCoder Take just a minute to recompile
05:24 OldCoder WAIT
05:24 OldCoder VanessaE, I could just do an SQL dump
05:24 VanessaE ?
05:25 OldCoder and look at block -1,1,-1
05:25 VanessaE that might work
05:25 VanessaE I filled in some cobble for the missing nodes for now
05:25 VanessaE and left the rest of the undefined
05:25 OldCoder DOn't, this is a temporary world
05:25 VanessaE try the dump
05:25 OldCoder Just make notes
05:25 VanessaE no prob, just try the dump
05:25 VanessaE it might tell us what's missing here
05:26 Miner_48er you could do a WE schematic
05:26 VanessaE yes, good idea
05:26 OldCoder Proceed if you wish
05:26 VanessaE OldCoder: look for nodes.we
05:26 VanessaE what do you find in there?
05:26 OldCoder R
05:26 VanessaE should some dirt with grass, some cobble, a couple of stone tiles, and whatever these unknown nodes are
05:27 OldCoder R
05:27 OldCoder moreblocks:stone_tile
05:27 VanessaE pastebin it
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05:27 OldCoder om
05:27 Miner_48er why not limit the schematic to the one unknown?
05:27 VanessaE Miner_48er: because I can't punch them
05:27 OldCoder http://oldcoder.org/nodeswe.txt
05:27 OldCoder VanessaE, ^
05:27 VanessaE have to encluse the group
05:28 VanessaE enclose*
05:28 OldCoder http://oldcoder.org/nodeswe.txt
05:28 Miner_48er have noclip? fly into them and set using //pos1 and //pos2
05:28 OldCoder I can do a dump; and there is the nodes.we file at:
05:29 VanessaE damn it.  all "unknown"
05:29 OldCoder http://oldcoder.org/nodeswe.txt
05:29 VanessaE figures.
05:29 OldCoder So I should delete them?
05:29 VanessaE no,
05:29 VanessaE dump the db
05:29 OldCoder Proceeding
05:29 OldCoder Pos is -16773121
05:29 VanessaE Miner_48er: it's an artifact of these nodes, they don't respond to punch at all, so I have to grab at least three nodes anyway.  no matter, already got what I need.  thanks for the tip though
05:30 VanessaE node coords -18,2,-46
05:30 OldCoder -1, 1, -1 ?
05:30 VanessaE approx.
05:30 OldCoder has one, right?
05:30 OldCoder divided by 16
05:31 OldCoder Dumping whole world
05:32 OldCoder O.K. I got the block in hexadecimal
05:32 OldCoder Now what :-)
05:32 OldCoder Easy to delete it
05:32 VanessaE node coords -12,2,-29 and the surroundings also
05:32 OldCoder But to decode it, where is the spec?
05:33 OldCoder Divide those by 16 ?
05:33 VanessaE yes
05:33 OldCoder So, -1, 0, -2 I think?
05:33 VanessaE I think so
05:33 OldCoder For negatives round down
05:34 OldCoder Got that too
05:34 OldCoder Ideas on where to find spec?
05:34 VanessaE no idea.
05:35 VanessaE I wonder if these were some kind of chests before?
05:35 OldCoder I think I got it
05:35 VanessaE they have meta, can't be dug so that means they have inventories with something in them,
05:36 OldCoder Hm
05:36 VanessaE and this is the wrong wool mod btw
05:36 OldCoder A few hours for me to write this
05:36 VanessaE you DID need the 32 color one
05:36 OldCoder So, not valid for now
05:37 OldCoder So, replace it with the previous one? O.K.
05:37 OldCoder I've got the block format
05:37 OldCoder But the actual ID of the object may be a bit complex
05:37 VanessaE got a sign here identifying an "unknown node" as "cyan", among a bunch of other wool blocks, and another is supposed to be "dark blue" but is normal blue
05:37 VanessaE no, we need to find the original 32-color wool that Joedach made
05:37 VanessaE Jordach*
05:37 OldCoder Hang on
05:37 VanessaE where the hell is it.
05:37 OldCoder Looking
05:37 OldCoder I have a number of copies of things
05:38 VanessaE the default game one isn't it, that's 15 colors
05:38 OldCoder it isn't in my backup of mods.ru
05:38 VanessaE or wait.
05:39 VanessaE restore the map from your backup, and keep the 16-color one
05:39 OldCoder Am I using the 16 color one now?
05:39 VanessaE maybe the attempt to use the in-game 15-color one screwed up the working copy.
05:39 VanessaE I think you have the 16-color one in place now yes.  keep it.
05:39 OldCoder Keep the one I have now? I *did* restore the map
05:39 VanessaE restore it again.
05:39 OldCoder I've been reverting on each restart
05:39 OldCoder All right
05:39 VanessaE I think something is/was translating node names
05:39 OldCoder But first looking at SQL block format
05:39 VanessaE I've got a yellow wool here that's supposed to be gold
05:40 VanessaE and a blue that's supposed to be dark blue
05:40 VanessaE and unknown that's supposed to be cyan
05:40 OldCoder So, just restart?
05:40 VanessaE yes
05:40 OldCoder With revert?
05:40 VanessaE and yes
05:41 OldCoder Restarting in a moment
05:41 OldCoder First looking for an easy way to check the unknown blocks
05:41 OldCoder SQL may not be helpful
05:41 VanessaE they'll always have their original node nsame
05:41 VanessaE name*
05:42 OldCoder Restarting
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05:44 OldCoder Should be up
05:45 VanessaE ok I have to guess the database got smashed when it was captured.  no change.
05:45 OldCoder kk
05:45 Miner_48er VanessaE a beta of it https://forum.minetest.net/v​iewtopic.php?p=23968#p23968
05:45 VanessaE (except that the unknown nodes I nuked earlier have returned)
05:45 OldCoder I am reviewing the block
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05:46 OldCoder Hm
05:46 OldCoder I can read this
05:46 VanessaE Miner_48er: bingo, that was the one - however that's not the problem
05:46 VanessaE it's gotta be the database
05:46 VanessaE because the map is calling for colors that OldCoder's mods are definitely supplying, e.g. gold and cyan
05:47 VanessaE I see gold, cyan, dark blue in the inventory
05:47 VanessaE but where they should be in the world, there are unknown blocks
05:47 VanessaE this suggests a mod smashed the node names at some point.  a bad alias maybe
05:47 OldCoder VanessaE, I can read the SQL binary data directly
05:47 OldCoder But the individual nodes are buried in large blocks inside the 16 16 16 ones
05:48 OldCoder Can't solve it this way quickly
05:48 VanessaE OldCoder: look for references to wool:cyan or perhaps colour:cyan
05:48 OldCoder Proceeding
05:48 OldCoder ./wool/init.lua:        output = 'wool:cyan 16',
05:48 OldCoder ./wool/init.lua:                {'wool:cyan', 'wool:red'},
05:48 OldCoder ./wool/init.lua:                {'wool:cyan', 'wool:magenta'},
05:48 OldCoder ./wool/init.lua:minetest.r​egister_node("wool:cyan", {
05:48 OldCoder ./unifieddyes/init.lua:               "dye:cyan",
05:48 OldCoder ./unifieddyes/init.lua:               "dye:cyan",
05:48 OldCoder root@boldcoder:/opt/minetest0410/share/minetest/g
05:49 OldCoder Those are the :cyan references
05:49 VanessaE right, the mod is defining it
05:49 VanessaE I see it in the inventory
05:49 OldCoder Should I drop unifieddyes?
05:49 VanessaE naw, leave it
05:49 VanessaE it's not getting in the way.
05:49 OldCoder Is this separate from the bad blocks?
05:49 VanessaE yeah, it's unrelated.
05:49 OldCoder kk
05:49 VanessaE something smashed your map.
05:50 OldCoder Well, yes
05:50 OldCoder So, do I simply drop the bad blocks?
05:50 OldCoder Will air replace them?
05:50 VanessaE no, leave them be for now until we figure out what went wrong
05:50 VanessaE they can be replaced with valid nodes via worldedit once we understand what broke
05:51 OldCoder So, I shouldn't simply delete them?
05:51 VanessaE ope
05:51 VanessaE nope
05:51 OldCoder And why are they about TV sets?
05:51 VanessaE that one just needs a tweak is all
05:52 OldCoder So the TV set bug is not the same either?
05:52 VanessaE it's just trying to set a node via an ABM that it isn't defining first.
05:52 VanessaE unrelated,
05:52 OldCoder So three bugs
05:52 OldCoder (1) odd colors issue, could be a mod
05:52 VanessaE mmhmm
05:52 OldCoder (2) broken nodes, can worldedit them
05:52 OldCoder (3) TV set bug
05:52 OldCoder Is this so?
05:52 VanessaE (4) player run speed/physics seems a bit "off"
05:52 OldCoder I've removed most of the mods
05:53 OldCoder Hold on
05:53 OldCoder homedecor maptools moreores
05:53 OldCoder were modified by Sokomine for this day
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05:53 OldCoder Need to use the modified versions
05:53 OldCoder NakedFury, Hi
05:53 OldCoder VanessaE, moment
05:54 OldCoder http://minetest.org/modsfun.txt
05:54 OldCoder Those are the current mods
05:55 VanessaE don't use pipeworks on this server
05:55 OldCoder Deleted
05:55 OldCoder Will disappear on next revert
05:55 VanessaE what is this "compatibility" mod?
05:56 OldCoder Wait
05:56 OldCoder This modpack contains only node definitions from removed mods.
05:56 OldCoder They are kept in game to prevent unknown nodes in already running world.
05:56 OldCoder carts nature nether tree_plus vines
05:56 OldCoder
05:57 VanessaE ok
05:57 VanessaE probably nothing there that's related
05:57 OldCoder To any of the issues?
05:57 OldCoder cyan seems odd!
05:57 VanessaE the rest of this seems benign
05:57 VanessaE huh?
05:57 OldCoder Missing cyan
05:57 OldCoder is odd
05:57 VanessaE oh, yes.
05:57 VanessaE lemme check something
05:58 OldCoder So the weird nodes might be chests?
05:58 OldCoder Not connected chests?
05:58 VanessaE no, I don't think so
05:59 OldCoder What else can cause no punch?
05:59 VanessaE I'm not sure what they were, but as for those wool blocks, I AM able to place those affected colors
05:59 VanessaE so this is a database glitch
05:59 VanessaE probably happened at capture-time
05:59 OldCoder Compatibility version?
05:59 VanessaE idk
05:59 OldCoder Compatibility issue * ?
05:59 OldCoder Well, the unknown blocks seem most significant
05:59 OldCoder and based on what you just said, the colors can be replaced
06:00 VanessaE indeed
06:00 VanessaE Sokomine: *poke*
06:00 VanessaE she would surely remember what was there
06:00 OldCoder It's early there
06:00 OldCoder ask her next time you see her
06:00 OldCoder I'll restart one more time
06:00 OldCoder to revert pipeworks
06:00 VanessaE ok
06:00 OldCoder and make any other changes for tonight
06:01 OldCoder I figure it would take me a number of discussions with core devs to make an SQL filter that fully understood initial nodes
06:01 OldCoder Useful tool!
06:01 OldCoder Probably not quick to do
06:01 OldCoder They pack
06:01 OldCoder 16x16x16 nodes together
06:01 OldCoder and zlib-compress the result
06:01 OldCoder Not easy to read in my head :-)
06:02 VanessaE heh
06:02 OldCoder Hm
06:02 OldCoder I *will* try to decompress it
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06:13 OldCoder Hm
06:13 OldCoder I think I've got a list of things related to the blocks
06:14 OldCoder Heh
06:14 OldCoder VanessaE, the list includes "unknown"
06:14 OldCoder It's actually there in the DB as unknown
06:14 VanessaE fek.
06:14 VanessaE that means it was busted at capture time.
06:14 OldCoder Sokomine is the last word
06:15 OldCoder If she remembers, we replace that way
06:15 OldCoder Else I can just mass delete them
06:15 OldCoder Restarting
06:17 OldCoder VanessaE, I'll be asleep shortly. If you remember, talk to Sokomine. This world will be good as new, or at least usable, soon
06:17 VanessaE ok
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06:17 VanessaE I'll try to remember
06:18 OldCoder It looks like we got a lot of it
06:18 OldCoder Plus Ron? 565? might have a more complete copy
06:18 OldCoder RedCrab will live on
06:18 Miner_48er OldCoder could you publish your decompression method. I haven't seen much documentation on that.
06:18 VanessaE yep, everything I looked at was definitely in please, minus those errant nodes
06:18 VanessaE all the *structure* was there for sure
06:18 VanessaE I wonder if my mine still exists :P
06:18 VanessaE (I doubt it :P )
06:19 OldCoder Who can fix the TV mod? Miner_48er I can explain it later but in this case I didn't finish. I found the strings in an uncompressed section.
06:19 OldCoder VanessaE, it is underground
06:19 OldCoder Capture probably didn't go there
06:19 OldCoder We did get a lot of it
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06:19 OldCoder And the insides seem to be there
06:20 VanessaE OldCoder: is THIS the TV mod you're using?  https://github.com/Jordach/M​inetest-Mods/tree/master/tv
06:20 VanessaE (note, that repo is a modpack)
06:20 OldCoder Yes, probably
06:21 VanessaE ok
06:21 OldCoder I'll update now and restart
06:21 VanessaE I see the error
06:21 VanessaE line 136
06:21 OldCoder Ah
06:21 VanessaE minetest.env:add_node(pos,{name="v:screen_10"})
06:21 OldCoder Shall I clone and patch?
06:22 OldCoder *clone*
06:22 VanessaE should be "tv:screen_10" there.
06:22 VanessaE yes, clone and fix that one little bit there.
06:22 OldCoder clone is failing
06:22 OldCoder ZIP link?
06:22 VanessaE clone this, git@github.com:Jordach/Minetest-Mods.git
06:22 VanessaE or zip:  https://github.com/Jordach/Min​etest-Mods/archive/master.zip
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06:22 OldCoder Access denied...
06:23 VanessaE ok, sec
06:23 OldCoder Wait
06:23 VanessaE clone THIS then, https://github.com/Jordach/Minetest-Mods.git
06:23 OldCoder Got it with last one
06:23 VanessaE ok
06:23 OldCoder He's got a wool in there
06:23 VanessaE yeah, ignore that
06:23 VanessaE that's the olllllllld 11-color one
06:24 VanessaE tv/init.lua line 136
06:24 OldCoder om
06:24 VanessaE should be "tv:screen_10"
06:24 OldCoder Patched
06:24 OldCoder restarting in a moment
06:24 VanessaE k
06:25 OldCoder Restarted
06:26 rubberduck Hi VanessaE
06:26 VanessaE hi
06:27 OldCoder Item "moreblocks:stair_stonebrick" not defined
06:27 OldCoder Well, that's one
06:27 VanessaE OldCoder: ok, problem is fixed.
06:27 OldCoder I have a mismatched moreblocks
06:27 VanessaE OldCoder: yeah, it's moreblocks:stair_stone_brick now I think.
06:27 VanessaE but be careful, moreblocks is touchy
06:27 OldCoder Yes
06:27 OldCoder Reviewing
06:27 VanessaE anyway, I need to head to bed now
06:27 rubberduck i have a special area protection request for you, on the survival server, you can read more about in the irc logs: http://irc.minetest.ru/min​etest/2014-10-02#i_3959311
06:28 VanessaE rubberduck: ok, one moment please.
06:29 OldCoder VanessaE, night
06:30 VanessaE rubberduck: you got coords for it?
06:30 OldCoder Hm
06:30 OldCoder Where do aliases go
06:30 OldCoder Ah
06:30 VanessaE OldCoder: anywhere, as long as the nodes they point to have already been defined.  the end of the mod that defines the replacement nodes is as good a place as any
06:31 OldCoder moreblocks:stair_stonebrick
06:31 OldCoder alias that to stair_stone_brick
06:31 OldCoder If I find the latter
06:31 OldCoder Hm
06:31 VanessaE rubberduck: this thing that looks like a huge checkerboard?
06:31 OldCoder That isn't there either
06:32 VanessaE rubberduck: talk over here, on this channel please.
06:32 rubberduck that checkerboard helps me to know where i have to place blocks in different colors
06:33 VanessaE gotchya
06:33 VanessaE so you just need the dimensions of the platform + vertical to +99?
06:33 rubberduck that is ok
06:33 VanessaE ok
06:34 rubberduck name should be: oversized minetest-logo
06:35 VanessaE done
06:35 VanessaE and with that, I'm off :-)
06:35 rubberduck thank you
06:35 VanessaE yw
06:35 VanessaE night
06:35 OldCoder o/
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06:48 OldCoder kaeza, SilverCrab is up at minetest.org port 30019. We need help diagnosing bad mods and missing blocks.
06:50 Zeno` Hello Mr Kaeza
06:51 kaeza o/
06:51 Zeno` What does o/ mean? You're doing one-armed weightlifting?
06:51 OldCoder Wave
06:51 Zeno` :D
06:52 Zeno` my jokes always fall very flat
06:52 kaeza if you look it the other way, you're bowling
06:53 sfan5 meow
06:53 sfan5 hi everyone
06:53 Zeno` like o\ ?
06:53 OldCoder sfan5, moin
06:53 OldCoder sfan5, SilverCrab is up at minetest.org port 30019. We need help diagnosing bad mods and missing blocks.
06:53 Zeno` what's the missing block in my inventory?
06:53 sfan5 I can help in a min
06:53 OldCoder No rush
06:53 * kaeza meows at sfan5
06:54 Zeno` might be able to write a script to identify unknown nodes
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06:55 OldCoder I think that some are corrupted and stored as unknown
06:55 OldCoder Need people who remember RedCrab to comment
06:55 Zeno` hmm
06:55 OldCoder on what was there
06:55 Quall anyone know why krocks server is not on?
06:56 OldCoder What is the screenshot key?
06:56 sfan5 F12
06:56 sfan5 (iirc)
06:56 OldCoder ty
06:58 Zeno` I guess a start would be seeing what the unknown item I am holding is
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06:59 oOChainLynxOo Hi OldCoder
07:00 oOChainLynxOo It's JayKeePoo
07:00 OldCoder Oh, Hi!
07:00 oOChainLynxOo I certainly remember Redcrab
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07:00 Zeno` JayKeePoo :p~~~~~~~~
07:00 OldCoder Well, visit and help to identify things
07:00 * Zeno` pours a bucket of ice on his head
07:00 OldCoder Feel free to email oldcoder@yahoo.com
07:01 oOChainLynxOo Lol Zeno`
07:01 CWz can't join worng password
07:01 oOChainLynxOo Join what?
07:01 oOChainLynxOo Can you post something
07:01 OldCoder CWz, Silvercrab?
07:02 CWz yeah
07:02 OldCoder It's a new world. Reset your password.
07:02 oOChainLynxOo CWz and I remember things
07:02 OldCoder Hm. Hang on, why couldn't he join?
07:02 OldCoder Any password should have worked
07:02 OldCoder Reviewing auth
07:02 oOChainLynxOo OldCoder: address and port please?
07:03 OldCoder oOChainLynxOo, minetest.org 30019 as stated in the tweet
07:03 OldCoder Wait
07:03 OldCoder CWz, I mean
07:03 oOChainLynxOo I'm loading just fine
07:03 CWz am in
07:03 OldCoder kk
07:03 oOChainLynxOo I'm coming in
07:04 OldCoder kk
07:04 oOChainLynxOo Also, nice name, Silvercrab
07:04 OldCoder Yes, shouldn't take original as it technically still exists
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07:09 oOChainLynxOo True
07:09 oOChainLynxOo Also sounds shiny
07:09 OldCoder 00:01:56: ERROR[main]: ERROR: An unhandled exception occurred: ...hare/minetest/games/silvercra​b_game/mods/timber/init.lua:34: attempt to index local 'digger' (a nil value)
07:09 oOChainLynxOo Hmm
07:09 OldCoder Wrong timber? oOChainLynxOo
07:09 OldCoder Reviewing
07:09 oOChainLynxOo Strange
07:09 oOChainLynxOo Never saw an error like that
07:09 OldCoder A lot of mismatches
07:09 OldCoder Wait briefly
07:10 oOChainLynxOo Ok
07:10 OldCoder Yes, I've got a timber that is too new I think
07:10 OldCoder Fixing
07:10 OldCoder Should I add mesecons?
07:10 oOChainLynxOo Hmm
07:11 oOChainLynxOo Might be a little op on this server
07:11 OldCoder op?
07:11 oOChainLynxOo over-powering
07:11 OldCoder No
07:11 OldCoder CWz thought
07:11 OldCoder blocks might be mese?
07:11 oOChainLynxOo I thought mesecons was a pretty big mod
07:11 OldCoder It is
07:11 oOChainLynxOo Ah
07:11 OldCoder Question is, what are the unknown blocks
07:11 OldCoder beneath spawn?
07:11 OldCoder Restarting with fixed timber
07:11 CWz mese
07:11 oOChainLynxOo I'll take a look and guess
07:11 OldCoder oOChainLynxOo, ^
07:12 oOChainLynxOo Yes, install the classic mese mod
07:12 OldCoder The two of you decide whether or not they are mese plese
07:12 OldCoder Link?
07:12 OldCoder I'll do it now
07:12 oOChainLynxOo The only problem is that it also has the 0.3.1 mese
07:12 oOChainLynxOo Which I don't know if that'll be a problem or not
07:12 OldCoder Hm? Explain "has"
07:12 OldCoder Are there blocks from both?
07:13 oOChainLynxOo It has the old grey mese block too
07:13 oOChainLynxOo https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=8315
07:13 OldCoder So, install two mesemods?
07:13 oOChainLynxOo If you would like
07:13 OldCoder It is your decision
07:13 OldCoder Indicate links you'd like me to test
07:14 oOChainLynxOo This mod comes with two mese blocks which is a problem, but there is no other mod that has the old mese
07:14 OldCoder What do you suppose he did?
07:14 oOChainLynxOo Hmm
07:15 OldCoder Relax and consider a minute
07:15 OldCoder If mese will fix the unknown blocks that is fine; but what was in his world?
07:16 oOChainLynxOo Just the classic yellow mese, not the grey mese
07:16 OldCoder So what do we need?
07:16 oOChainLynxOo Aha! Found just the yellow mese
07:16 oOChainLynxOo https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=4191
07:16 OldCoder Ah
07:16 OldCoder Link?
07:16 OldCoder For download, I mean
07:16 * OldCoder is at CLI
07:16 oOChainLynxOo This is odd
07:17 oOChainLynxOo Hang on
07:17 oOChainLynxOo I'll send you a link to my dropbox that has the mod in it
07:17 OldCoder Sure
07:17 oOChainLynxOo This is a little convoluted
07:17 OldCoder PM if convenient
07:18 OldCoder Do you think capture failed for mese blocks?
07:18 oOChainLynxOo Uh oh
07:18 oOChainLynxOo The service shut down
07:18 oOChainLynxOo I can't download it
07:18 OldCoder Heh
07:18 OldCoder Maybe I have it; looking
07:18 oOChainLynxOo How convenient, lol
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07:18 OldCoder Wait briefly
07:18 oOChainLynxOo Not a problem
07:19 CWz what is missing?
07:19 OldCoder mese
07:19 OldCoder When was the switch?
07:19 oOChainLynxOo I think around 0.4.5 or .4.6
07:20 OldCoder I have January 2013
07:20 oOChainLynxOo I think that's it
07:20 OldCoder Do I install the entire modpack?
07:21 OldCoder Or just mesecons?
07:21 OldCoder 0.41 DEV
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07:21 oOChainLynxOo I don't know
07:21 oOChainLynxOo I've never worked with mesecons before
07:21 OldCoder I'll start with just the base 1st
07:21 OldCoder Moment
07:22 OldCoder Any other changes before this restart?
07:22 OldCoder Restarting
07:23 OldCoder VanessaE can tell you about cyan
07:23 OldCoder She thinks it's working but there is a bug with existing blocks
07:23 OldCoder Can be used now
07:23 OldCoder Restarted
07:23 oOChainLynxOo Ok
07:24 OldCoder VanessaE thinks flying is slow
07:24 OldCoder Wondered if physics are different here
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07:25 OldCoder oOChainLynxOo, tell me coords of an interesting place to screenshot
07:26 oOChainLynxOo Sure
07:26 oOChainLynxOo No, physics were not different here
07:26 OldCoder I mean now
07:26 OldCoder She thinks something might be out of whack
07:26 oOChainLynxOo Yes there is something strange here
07:26 oOChainLynxOo Physicswise
07:26 oOChainLynxOo Run isn't as fast
07:26 OldCoder Interesting
07:27 OldCoder Not a setting?
07:27 oOChainLynxOo There is a setting somewhere in I think minetest.conf
07:27 oOChainLynxOo That's my best bet
07:27 OldCoder No idea which though?
07:27 OldCoder Well, indicate a favorite place
07:28 OldCoder What is this silo with monsters in it?
07:28 oOChainLynxOo Moment
07:30 OldCoder I'll be asleep shortly oOChainLynxOo but as you see I honor deals :P meow
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07:35 oOChainLynxOo :)
07:37 OldCoder oOChainLynxOo, you wish me to install mithril ore?
07:38 oOChainLynxOo Install moreores
07:38 oOChainLynxOo Hang on
07:38 OldCoder I have moreores, possibly the wrong version
07:38 oOChainLynxOo https://gitorious.org/calinou​/moreores/archive/master.zip
07:39 CWz i made a new oldmese mod
07:39 OldCoder That is newest, it may not work, but let me see
07:39 OldCoder CWz, go on
07:39 CWz it fateful to the original mese from redcrab
07:39 oOChainLynxOo Faithful*
07:39 OldCoder Link?
07:39 CWz and it crashed
07:40 CWz something related to generate_ore
07:41 OldCoder oOChainLynxOo, CWz restarting with new moreores
07:41 OldCoder Please review
07:41 OldCoder As this may break things
07:42 oOChainLynxOo Also, install the maptools mod for admins and moderators. It has a pickaxe specially used by admins and can only be accessed by them
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07:42 OldCoder Cylus, hilus
07:42 Cylus Hey OldCoder! How goes it?
07:42 OldCoder Good. Had to put aside the DB editor temporarily but revived RedCrab
07:43 Cylus Sweet. That was a pretty cool world.
07:43 OldCoder Needs work but is back
07:43 OldCoder oOChainLynxOo, CWz check please
07:43 oOChainLynxOo Checking now
07:46 CWz can figure out what is causing the crash in my oldmese mod
07:46 OldCoder kk
07:47 CWz something related to generate_ore that is all i know
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07:50 MinetestBot [Git] kwolekr -> minetest/minetest: Fix misc. style issues 37d3c3d http://git.io/TJ2l5g (2014-10-03T03:49:06-04:00)
07:50 MinetestBot [Git] kwolekr -> minetest/minetest: Clean up nodedef.cpp 01ce57a http://git.io/06iK4w (2014-10-03T03:21:08-04:00)
07:54 CWz got my oldmese mod to work
07:54 OldCoder Link?
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07:59 oOChainLynxOo Missing ores at the crafting school
08:01 oOChainLynxOo Fixed missing ores at crafting school
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08:02 oOChainLynxOo Also we have mitrhil ore
08:03 oOChainLynxOo CWz, OldCoder, found a new unknown node
08:03 oOChainLynxOo Or rather, an item
08:04 CWz OldCoder: is going to sleep
08:04 oOChainLynxOo Ok, we are missing silicon lump
08:04 CWz what mod was that
08:05 oOChainLynxOo Whatever mod is the one with the speakers and tvs
08:05 CWz i think it homedecor or 3dfurniture
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08:39 oOChainLynxOo Going to bed, good night all
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08:52 JamesTait Good morning all; happy Friday, and happy Techie’s Day! :-D
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08:59 rubberduck hi meldrian
08:59 meldrian hi rubberduck :)
08:59 meldrian hi everyone else
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09:15 jp_ test
09:16 Amaz test_received
09:16 jp_ weechat on raspi \o/
09:16 Amaz Nice!
09:18 jp_ but there is no mt 0410 in the repos :(
09:18 jp_ only 0.3.x
09:20 Amaz Make it you self?
09:21 jp_ a pain
09:22 jp_ MC-Pi edition
09:22 jp_ oops, wrong window
09:23 Amaz XD
09:32 MinetestBot [Git] BlockMen -> minetest/minetest_game: Tweak some textures, new chest texture 56cc419 http://git.io/rkBJBg (2014-10-03T11:29:17+02:00)
09:32 MinetestBot [Git] BlockMen -> minetest/minetest_game: Add improved grass textures by @Philipbenr (slightly modified), fixes #323 6532978 http://git.io/igPaeA (2014-10-03T11:29:10+02:00)
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10:03 PenguinDad Trick or Trait :D
10:08 jp_ call me 'judas'
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10:20 rubberduck i have a weird issue with colored steel-framed obsidian glass, when i look at it from various directions on different places, the glass gets opaque, see how it looks: http://platen-software.de/sebast​ian/minetest/blue_glass_bug.jpg
10:23 rubberduck i'll restart the computer because of this issue
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10:24 PenguinDad ^ RealBadAngel
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10:29 rubberduck the issue still appears
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10:36 Nerotic Morning.
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10:44 john_minetest hi
10:52 PenguinDad plantlike is broken :( https://cdn.mediacru.sh/D5gHzLQeeYML.png
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11:29 PenguinDad hmmmm bwoke my precious drawtypes! :(
11:33 Amaz :(
11:35 Zeno` PenguinDad, what's broken there?
11:36 Zeno` maybe plant rotation, but I'm not sure
11:37 PenguinDad Zeno`: the planes (or however you call them) are only textured on one side
11:38 Zeno` weird. If you place those plant types manually are they rendered correctly?
11:41 PenguinDad Zeno`: they aren't rendered correctly regardless of how you place them
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11:46 Zeno` oh gosh
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12:01 RealBadAngel PenguinDad, one sided? pretty weird
12:01 RealBadAngel does that apply to all the plants?
12:02 PenguinDad RealBadAngel: yes
12:03 RealBadAngel any more details?
12:04 PenguinDad RealBadAngel: This commit breaks it https://github.com/minetest/minetest/commi​t/01ce57ade534f83d80bbb1f0c48630891b338237
12:08 RealBadAngel PenguinDad, i see
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12:08 RealBadAngel i will try to find the reason
12:11 RealBadAngel need to clone fresh and build, give me a few minutes
12:11 CWz i think the plantlike drawtype might have been broken in latest git
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13:35 MinetestBot [Git] maciej.kasatkin@o2.pl -> minetest/minetest: Fix broken plantlike drawtype. 0920f55 http://git.io/V68FpA (2014-10-03T15:33:32+02:00)
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14:45 kilbith BlockMen : https://github.com/minetest/minetest​_game/pull/324#issuecomment-57805103
14:51 BlockMen kilbith, better than before. But current steel and especially gold looks IMO better
14:51 BlockMen yours is still not really shiny...
14:51 kilbith current steel is too white-ish
14:52 kilbith and dirty for all of them
14:52 kilbith current gold is too 'flashy'
14:53 BlockMen kilbith, there is no accounting for taste ;)
14:54 kilbith well, it seems that most of players there likes my textures
14:54 kilbith better than the current
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14:56 BlockMen idc what most think. my opinion is my opinion. but thats all. since nore seems to agree on it you got 50% to merge it already ;)
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15:00 kilbith for textures, if 90% of non-devs people are agree for merge, and 20% of devs doesn't... what happens ?
15:01 DusXMT 20% of devs doesn't = 80% of devs do -> If democracy works inside the project, it gets passed
15:02 kilbith there is no democracy in this case
15:02 DusXMT Then it depends no who is in that 20%
15:02 DusXMT s/no/on/
15:02 BlockMen its kinda simple. when 2 devs (of mt_game) agree it gets merged
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15:02 BlockMen there are 3 devs
15:03 BlockMen im out on agreeing, nore did
15:03 BlockMen so sfan5 is left
15:03 BlockMen if he agrees its in
15:03 kilbith but does just 4 devs can represents the tastes of people ?
15:03 DusXMT kilbith: It's their game
15:03 kilbith that's the point
15:05 BlockMen the point is not that its "our" game. the point is that there needs to be  way to make sure not everything goes in
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15:05 BlockMen how bad mass opinions can be is readable in history
15:06 mistnim hitler?
15:06 BlockMen that does not mean that mass desicions are bad, but it means they are also not always right
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15:07 DusXMT Yeah. For example, if Poland didn't become a temporary dictature in WW1, it would have most probably failed tragically in the war, as the parlament full of people arguing with each other just didn't cut it. (Of course, I'm not a supporter of dictatures, I'm just stating a history fact)
15:08 RealBadAngel masses can follow one artist or just piss on him
15:08 RealBadAngel simple as that
15:08 kilbith that's understandable for the code, but a dev do not necessarily a objective/good eye on aesthetic thing like texture
15:08 kilbith necessarily have*
15:08 RealBadAngel and there will never be a texture that will fit all the tastes
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15:08 RealBadAngel one prefer van gogh others picasso :P
15:08 * PenguinDad looks at Jordach
15:09 Jordach how did you know i was here
15:09 DusXMT I find: as long as it's customizable, I don't care about the default
15:09 RealBadAngel DusXMT, thats why texture packs are here
15:09 DusXMT Yup
15:10 Jordach and i don't want RBA's bullshit photorealism ideas whatsoever
15:10 RealBadAngel yup
15:10 DusXMT RBA?
15:10 RealBadAngel and i have the right to piss at that opinion too ;)
15:10 RealBadAngel thats the freedom of choice
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15:11 RealBadAngel we dont force anything here
15:11 DusXMT And if someone doesn't like it, they can always fork it and change what they dislike (freedom 2)
15:12 kilbith some forks will never be under the "spotlights"
15:12 kilbith most of the forks, even
15:13 DusXMT well, that's how the free market works. You either get followers, or don't
15:13 blaise or you get lit on fire by an angry mob with torches and pitch forks
15:14 Amaz
15:14 DusXMT heh, that would be cool
15:14 kilbith surrounded by a plethora of choices, you can't easily make a good choice, that's the problem
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15:15 * DusXMT wonders if there's a `make torches fire-based meelee weapons'
15:15 DusXMT mod
15:15 BlockMen kilbith, why are you complaining at all? there is no decision yet and you got 50% already...
15:15 kilbith where did you see I'm complaining about my pending PR ? ;)
15:16 BlockMen well, then why are you complaining at all?
15:16 kilbith just emitted some questioning
15:17 BlockMen ...
15:18 Sokomine OldCoder, VanessaE: the problem of the cyan wool you where talking about is kind of vanessas fault :) her server had more than 4k diffrent blocks, and thus mt was changed to be able to handle more than that amount of blocks. only redcrabs server never got that update, and thus an inconsistency between server and (newer) client existed while capturing. in case of redcrabs server, cyan wool is the node that got hit by this problem
15:19 Sokomine OldCoder, VanessaE: as far as mods for redcrabs server go, i've created a collection some time ago. in the meantime, inocudom has located my old posting and even quoted it. you can get a set of working mods (i think they ought to still work!) from that thread
15:21 Sokomine OldCoder, VanessaE: the posting regarding the mod collection for redcrabs server is even linked directly as one of the games listed in the posting behind the link in my signature. you can find it here: https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=7537
15:22 Sokomine OldCoder, VanessaE: as far as hosting redcrabs server goes, my opinion is still ambivalent. i want the server to live on. what i don't want is multiple official versions of the server out there running at the same time
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15:24 blaise Sokomine: what if they all ran on the same db server?
15:24 blaise aka redis..
15:24 blaise is that even possible?
15:24 blaise can you run multiple servers on the same redis server database ?
15:25 Sokomine blaise: no idea if that's technically possible or if it would be a good idea
15:25 blaise then we could link the different servers chat channels
15:25 selah Can someone kick shadowzone please?
15:25 blaise but I don't think the minetest supports the linking or leafing or anything like that
15:25 Sokomine ah. linking chat channels is a diffrent issue. that has been done already by using irc mods
15:25 PenguinDad blaise: afaik it is possible but could cause corruption
15:26 blaise ah
15:26 blaise PenguinDad: that is very unfortunit..
15:26 Sokomine blaise: it wouldn't save the problem i talked about. it's not too high load or something like that which would be the issue here
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15:27 blaise you just don't want posers prentending to be redcrab?
15:27 blaise did redcrab die or something?
15:27 Sokomine blaise: our main problem is that the owner of a server which used to run for a very long time and has excellent buildings sort of shows up only once in a year anymore. and we got a problem that crashed the server - so there's no one there to solve the problem and restart
15:27 blaise massive cardiac infarktion?
15:28 Sokomine not exactly posers. i don't want there to be diverging versions of the map...so that half the players build on map a, while the other one builds on map b. that's why i was so very reluctant to give oldcoder my copy of the map
15:28 Sokomine we don't know. by all we know he might be fine. he was away for a year once before
15:29 blaise yar
15:29 Sokomine if you can find a working way of contacting him, do so!
15:29 blaise lmao
15:29 blaise bust in the front door of his house wearing a sam suit
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15:30 Sokomine it hasn't dropped that far in all countries yet, though there may be doubt
15:31 blaise what hasn't dropped?
15:32 * blaise suspects Sokomine was in the wrong channel on that last message
15:33 blaise http://www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/pi​ctured-cow-rescued-coastguard-after-4298170
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15:42 blaise pureluaentity is making my log files WAY to big
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15:42 blaise WAY, WAY, WAY too big!
15:43 blaise [pureluaentity] Saving DB...
15:43 blaise [pureluaentity] Saved 0 entities.
15:43 iqualfragile blaise: whats way to big?
15:43 PenguinDad That is WAY, WAY, WAY too big!
15:43 iqualfragile shadowzone: look, i bought a new van, hope you like it more: http://i.imgur.com/mhlSvug.jpg
15:43 DusXMT How many kilolines per second?
15:45 iqualfragile DusXMT: kilolines?
15:45 blaise pureluaentity
15:45 blaise it's been a week, and my log file has increased 3 gigs
15:45 blaise this is a problem for me
15:46 DusXMT Wow
15:46 DusXMT Can't you set up a script to strip it every now and then?
15:46 * blaise facepalms
15:47 DusXMT Why? You could set it up so that cron runs it every day and removes useless information from it
15:47 blaise that's not very efficient.
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15:47 microcarrot http://harpbeta.tk/post/458
15:48 microcarrot made my day 20x better ^
15:49 blaise ._.
15:49 microcarrot lel
15:50 DusXMT blaise: How is it not then? What's the problem with that approach? (well, the loss of potentially important information is one thing I can think of, but not anything else really)
15:50 blaise approach?
15:50 DusXMT Of controling the log size
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15:51 blaise why should I have to write a parsing/cleanup script for a log file becuase someone has uselessly verbose crap in their mod?
15:51 blaise who's mod is that anyway?
15:51 blaise is that sapiers stuff that's doing that?
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15:52 DusXMT Why? Perhaps because you don't want it to grow by 3 gigs every week?
15:53 DusXMT Okay, this is circular logic, I'll stop here
15:54 * blaise fills a massive salad mixing bowl with gallons and gallons of oatmeal
15:55 * blaise curls up to his laptop with the massive bowl of oatmeal and digs in
15:55 iqualfragile blaise: i personally just move my old log file out of the way, zip it and rename it to the current date on server startup
15:55 blaise iqualfragile: have you ever heard of logrotate ?
15:56 iqualfragile blaise: yes, i have
15:56 blaise k
15:56 DusXMT better than zip is lmza, a common implementation is xz
15:56 microcarrot blaise: I envy your salad bowl, your oatmeal, and your laptop
15:57 shadowzone XD'
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15:57 shadowzone Nice van.
15:58 shadowzone Still not hopping in and partying in a van.
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16:02 blaise shadowzone: what van?
16:02 shadowzone http://i.imgur.com/mhlSvug.jpg
16:04 blaise shadowzone: that's kinda creepy
16:05 DusXMT They've got all sorts of cool stuff, like "candies" that make you feel strange, knives, and other things as well
16:05 shadowzone I know.
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16:10 MaraJade I need some help. I created a game last night and played for a long time, then closed the game. This morning when I opened it, the world from last night was gone. Did I need to do something special when I closed it? Or can I get it back?
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16:12 iqualfragile shadowzone: havn't you read the inscription of the van?
16:13 shadowzone Yep.
16:13 iqualfragile so?
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16:14 iqualfragile DusXMT: ah, my fellow van-fan
16:15 iqualfragile MaraJade: which os are you using?
16:15 blaise BeeOS ?
16:15 blaise OS/2 ?
16:18 MaraJade iqualfragile: windows
16:18 PenguinDad OSOS
16:20 iqualfragile MaraJade: sorry, i have no idea where minetest saves it data on windows
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16:26 FreeFull MaraJade: It shouldn't be gone
16:26 FreeFull Saving is automatic
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16:29 MaraJade FreeFull: Well, it isn't in the menu when I open the game
16:30 FreeFull MaraJade: Yeah, it's meant to happen by itself without you needing to do a thing
16:30 FreeFull MaraJade: Are you on Windows or Linux?
16:30 MaraJade FreeFull: Windows
16:30 * DusXMT smells corruption
16:30 FreeFull I'm not sure where Minetest stores its data under Windows
16:30 DusXMT filesystem corruption, or save corruption
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16:31 Jordach if you placed it where you can't write to: you just lost your world
16:31 DusXMT I'm pretty sure it's in install_dir/saves, but I could be wrong (or is the `saves' folder called differently?)
16:32 MaraJade Jordach: What do you mean?
16:32 Jordach MaraJade, eg, C:\Program Files\ or a intranet owned shared folder
16:33 MaraJade Jordach: Would putting it in C:\Games\ cause problems?
16:33 Jordach no
16:34 Jordach but your own documents / desktop is a better place for it
16:36 Jordach (it also won't work if your companies machines don't allow writing to desktop or other directories that are local)
16:37 erlehmann can someone help me with my glider mod?
16:38 erlehmann i just don't know what would constitute a proper gliding model
16:38 Salbei hi
16:38 Salbei someone use the irc mod?
16:38 erlehmann like, if you are slower, you should plummet faster!
16:38 erlehmann Salbei there is an irc mod? oh wow!
16:39 erlehmann show and tell
16:39 microcarrot yep, thereis
16:39 Salbei https://forum.minetest.net/v​iewtopic.php?f=11&t=3905
16:39 microcarrot it requires extra compiling tho
16:40 Salbei but maybe it not maintained
16:40 shadowzone I use the IRC mod.
16:41 shadowzone https://github.com/kaeza/minetest-irc <---
16:42 Salbei i have some errors when i launch the server maybe u will can help me
16:42 shadowzone That doesn't require any compiling.
16:42 Salbei http://paste.debian.net/124351/
16:42 shadowzone Are you on linux?
16:42 Salbei yes
16:42 shadowzone sudo apt-get install luajit
16:43 Salbei luajit not found
16:43 shadowzone Hmm.
16:43 Salbei t installed lua-socket before
16:43 Salbei *I
16:44 Salbei i will try with ur link
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16:44 shadowzone Okay.
16:46 OldCoder Sokomine, (1) I started with your RedCrab "_game" (2) The original RedCrab will ultimately disappear. Presently, people don't know, from day to day, whether their work will still exist the next. This isn't acceptable. (3) Comment on the unknown blocks that are below spawn, please. Should we delete them?
16:48 Salbei shadowzone: same errrors with the github sources
16:48 shadowzone Hmm.
16:49 shadowzone Did you do a "submodule init update --init"
16:50 microcarrot who would like to write minetest articles on my site?
16:51 Salbei shadowzone: now yes! sry i had forget
16:52 erlehmann microcarrot what is your site?
16:52 shadowzone It worked?
16:52 microcarrot http://harpbeta.tk erlehmann
16:52 erlehmann microcarrot why should anyone write an article for your site instead of writing it on one's own site?
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16:53 Salbei new errors now i paste it
16:53 microcarrot i don't know, I guess if they didn't have a site or they were bored?
16:53 Salbei shadowzone: http://paste.debian.net/124354/
16:53 microcarrot ^^ erlehmann
16:53 shadowzone I'm trying to remember how I fixed that.
16:53 kaeza Salbei, try this: open irc/init.lua, and after the package.path = ... lines, add this:
16:53 Salbei :)
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16:54 erlehmann microcarrot i laughed http://harpbeta.tk/post/458
16:54 kaeza package.cpath = package.cpath .. ";/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/lua/5.1/?.so"
16:54 kaeza Salbei, ^
16:54 microcarrot erlehmann: thanks :D
16:55 kaeza replace x86_64 by i386 if running 32 bits
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16:56 microcarrot lolololol
16:56 microcarrot it looks like I broke the site a little bit
16:56 microcarrot XD
16:56 * sfan5 meows at erlehmann
16:56 Salbei yes its sounds good now kaeza
16:56 Salbei thanks u kaeza and shadowzone
16:57 shadowzone Your welcome.
16:57 kaeza sure :)
16:57 shadowzone Even thought kaeza probably helped more than me.
16:57 shadowzone I'm still sorta a noob.
16:58 Salbei u help me for submodule init ;)
16:59 rubenwardy Hi all!
16:59 shadowzone Hi rubenwardy.
16:59 * kaeza puts a kitten on rubenwardy's head
16:59 * blaise curls up in front of the fire place
17:00 shadowzone o.O
17:00 shadowzone What is it with y'all and cats?
17:00 OldCoder cats are good
17:00 OldCoder cats in the barn
17:00 OldCoder cats on the stairs
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17:00 OldCoder cats on the rooftops
17:00 OldCoder cats in the airs
17:00 OldCoder
17:00 shadowzone o.O
17:01 sfan5 >cats in the airs
17:01 sfan5 flying cats?
17:01 OldCoder Yep
17:01 * OldCoder looks for his "Cats Everywhere" poem
17:01 kaeza Salbei, I'm seeing your server bot on ##mt-irc-mod
17:02 OldCoder cats dancing with mice
17:02 OldCoder cats sliding on ice
17:02 OldCoder cats on skateboards riding
17:02 OldCoder cats under beds hiding
17:02 OldCoder
17:02 sfan5 cats dancing with mese
17:02 sfan5 cats sliding on ice
17:02 microcarrot lol
17:02 sfan5 cats in carts riding
17:02 OldCoder i don't care about you
17:02 sfan5 cats under beds hiding
17:02 OldCoder but if you leave me, i'll mew
17:02 OldCoder
17:02 microcarrot lel
17:02 OldCoder cats in the barn
17:02 OldCoder cats batting yarn
17:03 OldCoder cats on rooftops purr
17:03 OldCoder cats in the snow brrr
17:03 OldCoder
17:03 OldCoder CAT STOLE MY FOOD
17:03 OldCoder CAT IS IN BAD MOOD
17:03 OldCoder MOAR FOOD CAT SAYS
17:03 * sfan5 meows
17:03 OldCoder GIVE ME CAT PEZ
17:03 OldCoder
17:03 OldCoder serve me, meow
17:03 OldCoder it's what you are *for*
17:03 OldCoder
17:03 OldCoder i sleep all the time
17:03 sfan5 you should write poems
17:03 sfan5 oh wait
17:03 OldCoder pet me, stop silly rhyme
17:03 OldCoder
17:03 sfan5 you already are
17:03 microcarrot lol
17:03 OldCoder cats on the moon
17:04 OldCoder cats in the sky
17:04 OldCoder cats flying here and there
17:04 OldCoder cats by and by
17:04 OldCoder
17:04 OldCoder meow says the cats
17:04 OldCoder as they chase the rats
17:04 OldCoder
17:04 OldCoder cats on your head
17:04 kilbith you've finally deleted NYC, OldCoder :)
17:04 OldCoder cats at you stare
17:04 OldCoder cats on the bed
17:04 OldCoder cats everywhere!
17:04 OldCoder
17:04 OldCoder kilbith, Hm?
17:04 OldCoder No, I run NYC
17:04 OldCoder Might not be up right now
17:05 kilbith not on 30019 so
17:05 OldCoder Server move finished, porting all the worlds to MT 0.4.10
17:05 OldCoder kilbith, I'd forgotten which servers were on which ports
17:05 Salbei yes thank kaeza :)
17:05 OldCoder NYC will get another port
17:05 kilbith oh ok
17:05 Salbei i find the chan just now
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17:07 sfan5 o/ asie
17:07 microcarrot hi asie!
17:08 PenguinDad Hi asie
17:08 asie Hi asie
17:08 rubberduck hi asie
17:08 microcarrot it appears asie is popular
17:08 microcarrot XD
17:08 asie :)
17:08 shadowzone Hi asie.
17:09 rubberduck and asie says hi to him/herself
17:09 microcarrot asie is definately popular in my eyes
17:09 microcarrot for saving ASCIImator
17:10 sfan5 asie: http://youtu.be/5MJQhe6XdWg
17:10 * rubberduck grinds a nyan cat into dust
17:10 sfan5 asie: (don't ask why)
17:11 microcarrot it appears that gender is not a big problem on IRC
17:11 sfan5 !tell Calinou http://www.twitch.tv/darkgarx/c/5225379
17:11 MinetestBot sfan5: I'll pass that on when Calinou is around
17:12 asie sfan5: i know vry well why
17:12 asie i uploaded that video
17:13 microcarrot and because http://asie.pl
17:13 microcarrot hehe
17:13 sfan5 asie: I meant that you shouldn't ask why I gave you that link
17:13 asie also
17:14 asie i will be working on a new asie.p
17:14 asie l
17:14 shadowzone That video was annoying.  No offense.
17:14 microcarrot haha
17:14 OldCoder VanessaE, Sokomine didn't comment on the unknown blocks. RedCrab 30402 is up; compare there if you wish.
17:14 asie shadowzone: I had nothing better to put on the page
17:14 shadowzone o.O
17:14 MaraJade Question: Would closing to os without ever having closed to menu in a new world cause it to not save correctly?
17:15 microcarrot maybe I should do something like that when I switch sites
17:15 proller Э
17:15 PenguinDad microcarrot: do it with ponies then ;)
17:15 proller miss!
17:16 microcarrot I probably will XD
17:16 sfan5 MaraJade: it _should_ not cause that
17:17 iqualfragile shadowzone: u like disco?
17:17 shadowzone Yeah.
17:18 iqualfragile DusXMT: new plan
17:18 microcarrot lol
17:18 microcarrot PenguinDad: https://derpiboo.ru/404
17:20 cities so irccloud wants
17:20 cities 5 bucks a month
17:20 sfan5 cities: do you even znc somewhere
17:20 microcarrot what is a IRC cloud?
17:20 PenguinDad 5 bucks == 15 steel ingots :P
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17:21 cities sfan5: what
17:21 cities I was using ZNC
17:21 cities til my friend cut me off
17:22 cities their shell
17:22 sfan5 i c
17:22 sfan5 then just use a free shell
17:22 cities they won't open ports
17:22 cities can't use 22
17:22 cities or I would
17:27 sfan5 won't they allow unprivileged ports?
17:28 cities explain
17:28 cities not sure what that is
17:28 sfan5 ports > 1024
17:29 cities hmm I don't know its possible.
17:29 sfan5 what do you need port 22 for?
17:29 cities I don't need port 22. Its the default ssh port...which work blocks
17:30 sfan5 and wheres the problem?
17:30 sfan5 you can't use port 22 for znc anyway
17:30 jp_ linux-users : is there a way to revert a $ mv ?
17:30 SylvieLorxu joined #minetest
17:30 cities I use screen and irssi at work sfan5
17:30 cities the znc comes in with my phone
17:30 cities used*
17:31 cities ssh-ing out at work is the problem
17:31 sfan5 then irssi-out at work
17:31 cities maybe you can help me. I don't want to take up the channel with this
17:32 cities can I msg you?
17:32 sfan5 sure
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17:34 MinetestBot Calinou: 10-03 17:11 UTC <sfan5> http://www.twitch.tv/darkgarx/c/5225379
17:35 Calinou no thanks
17:35 rubenwardy lol
17:36 rubenwardy "We're playing the Carbone mod"
17:36 sfan5 Calinou: ??
17:36 rubenwardy "minetest.com"
17:36 sfan5 rubenwardy: don't hate on people for not understanding everything
17:36 kaeza sfan5, the libcurl-7.18.0-win32-msvc.zip package is 404. I found one here: https://github.com/diffbot/diffbot-cpp-clien​t/tree/master/deps/libcurl-7.18.0-win32-msvc
17:37 kaeza could you please set up a zip of that and update buildbot?
17:37 sfan5 kaeza: I still have the original
17:37 sfan5 curl could use an update anyway
17:37 sfan5 I'll see if a new one is available
17:37 rubenwardy Not hating. Just showing that it isn't made obvious.
17:37 Calinou rubenwardy, do my NBE build work?
17:38 rubenwardy Dissing my orange tree texture :O
17:40 rubenwardy http://minetest.com/ is confusing to new people. It should link to minetest.net or redirect.
17:40 * microcarrot sighs
17:40 microcarrot another movie?
17:40 Calinou or we just buy minetest.com when it expires
17:40 VanessaE OldCoder: she did comment, scroll back
17:41 VanessaE OldCoder:  http://irc.minetest.ru/min​etest/2014-10-03#i_3961393
17:41 rubenwardy They mention the food mod! Someone actually uses it!
17:42 OldCoder VanessaE, I saw that...
17:42 OldCoder Not about the cyan
17:42 OldCoder About the blocks under spawn; aren't they different?
17:42 OldCoder There are the unknown blocks you can't identify
17:42 kaeza sfan5, can you give me a link to your saved package?
17:42 OldCoder Where are those?
17:43 sfan5 rubenwardy: at least minetest.com links to minetest.net and doesn't just offer some version of 2 years ago
17:43 sfan5 kaeza: one sec
17:43 john_minetest Hey OldCoder
17:43 OldCoder john_minetest, you
17:43 OldCoder john_minetest, yo *
17:44 microcarrot OldCoder, we are about ready for that moontest server
17:44 OldCoder kk
17:45 microcarrot all we need is a good lunarium block texture
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17:47 sfan5 kaeza: http://meow.minetest.net/tmp/​libcurl-7.18.0-win32-msvc.zip
17:48 kaeza sfan5, got it, thanks :)
17:48 kaeza now... let's see if this thing builds...
17:48 sfan5 it should
17:49 kaeza not without mingw installed :|
17:49 kaeza hurr
17:50 sfan5 kaeza: how do you expect it to build somewith without a compiler? :P
17:50 microcarrot sfan5, what version of iOS does the version of ffmpeg on your cydia thing support?
17:50 kaeza magic
17:50 kaeza ?
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17:51 * kaeza installs mingw
17:51 * kaeza hugs exio4_
17:51 sfan5 microcarrot: any device with armv7
17:51 * microcarrot uninstalls mingw
17:51 sfan5 microcarrot: but it's currently broken
17:51 sfan5 microcarrot: I can try building a new one
17:51 * exio4 hugs kaeza
17:51 microcarrot 2 bad things
17:51 * sfan5 meows at exio4
17:52 * john_minetest gives sfan5 a <'(((-<
17:52 microcarrot i've got an iphone 3g so armv7 is a no, and it sucks its broken
17:52 sfan5 3g is armv6 right
17:52 microcarrot yep
17:52 * rubberduck quacks at john_minetest
17:52 sfan5 IIRC there was an ffmpeg somewhere in a different repo
17:53 * john_minetest gives rubberduck a bit of old bread.
17:53 * PenguinDad looks at his Samsung Galaxy S3
17:53 microcarrot I will look around
17:53 * rubberduck likes to get feeded my john_minetest
17:54 Sokomine OldCoder: you ought to take redcrab_game and expand on it only where needed. the wool mod for example was difficult to find, and other mods may not work in newer versions either. updating moreblocks and/or homedecor might be a bit critcial. as for (2), even your servers will eventually disappear. all only a matter of time, sadly. our goal ought to be to prolong the server's life - whereever it's hosted. when there's no chance of re
17:54 microcarrot oh
17:54 OldCoder Reviewing
17:54 microcarrot i'm dumb
17:54 john_minetest I feed the world.
17:54 microcarrot Cycorder comes with ffmpeg
17:54 Sokomine OldCoder: as to the unknown blocks: are you sure they're not more cyan wool? i'll check...port?
17:54 microcarrot which means I already have it
17:55 OldCoder Sokomine, (1) we are aware of the update problems (2) not following, RedCrab is erratic or dead (3) check with Vanessa re wool. server is minetest.org 30019
17:55 OldCoder Sokomine, hang on, let me grant you all there
17:55 Calinou RedCrab still exists? :/
17:55 OldCoder Calinou, ?
17:55 Calinou the 2 year old server
17:55 OldCoder Calinou, RedCrab is down for a week. I am now running SilverCrab.
17:55 Sokomine OldCoder: in order to run on a server, it's vital to keep the protections as well. that ought to be possible - at least to a degree. shadowninja said his areas mod is compatible. at least an old version of the old node_ownership savedata ought to exist
17:56 OldCoder Sokomine, JayKeePoo plans to restore the protections
17:56 Sokomine Calinou: it existed for a very long while. ran over a year without any sight of redcrab
17:56 Sokomine Calinou: lately i did an error - ran rollback_check after finding a griefing :-(( server didn't come back. not even the next day as it used to
17:57 OldCoder Sokomine, kindly join so that I can op you
17:57 Calinou most servers have way overdone protections
17:57 Sokomine OldCoder: what base does he have in mind?
17:57 Sokomine sec
17:57 OldCoder Sokomine, he will read the creators apparently
17:57 OldCoder He found something by you last night for example
17:57 * microcarrot notes that cats have iphones
17:57 OldCoder cats knawing rodent bones
17:57 OldCoder cats calling friends on iPhones
17:58 OldCoder gnawing *
17:58 microcarrot lol
17:58 microcarrot OldCoder: you are great :D
17:58 OldCoder great is my humble fate
17:59 OldCoder Sokomine, comments on physics are requested. People say that run and fly are too slow here.
17:59 Sokomine OldCoder: we have that list. please also note that another known moderator (apart from cactuz_pl) is Erthome
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17:59 Sokomine i'll see
17:59 OldCoder Sokomine, he is welcome to join
17:59 OldCoder Sokomine, I figure that we'll do a little more research
18:00 OldCoder Then revert and ask people to worldedit the unknown blocks
18:00 OldCoder Sokomine, see the unknown blocks under spawn
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18:01 Sokomine OldCoder: guess it's the aforementioned cyan wool
18:01 OldCoder So, need to worldedit the blocks
18:01 Sokomine hmm. worldedit is not a good solution to that problem
18:01 OldCoder What about physics?
18:01 OldCoder Should I simply mass delete them?
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18:02 Sokomine don't know about jumping. it's hard to tell about physics from a short test. perhaps something was changed there...
18:02 OldCoder Is there a conf setting?
18:03 Sokomine are you using a diffrent game base or config file?
18:03 Sokomine (regarding the fast aspect)
18:03 OldCoder I don't have the original conf
18:03 Sokomine that one from landrush might be a bad choice in that regard
18:03 OldCoder So I'm using the same as most of my worlds
18:03 OldCoder Well, suggest changes
18:04 Sokomine don't use landrush's player physics as a sample for any other world. default player physics ought to be fine for redcrabs server ought to be fine i think
18:04 OldCoder What settings?
18:04 OldCoder What settings do I need to remove?
18:04 OldCoder I will post the conf. Wait.
18:04 Sokomine hmm. did i forget to add the cobble texture? or os a texture pack of mine (not that i'm willingly using any?) overriding?
18:05 OldCoder http://minetest.org/silverconf.txt
18:05 OldCoder ^ the conf
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18:06 microcarrot can anyone make me a texture for a block?
18:08 rubberduck i made textures for different ores, default and mods, license included, platen-software.de/sebastian/mi​netest/mt_new_textures_1.tar.gz
18:08 rubberduck platen-software.de/sebastian/mi​netest/mt_new_textures_1.tar.gz
18:08 rubberduck oops
18:08 rubberduck http://platen-software.de/sebastian​/minetest/mt_new_textures_1.tar.gz
18:13 microcarrot rubberduck: anything purple in there?
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18:14 rubberduck why purple?
18:14 rubberduck are mostly ores
18:14 microcarrot rubberduck: because https://github.com/realtinymonster/m​oontest/blob/master/mods/moontest/te​xtures/moontest_mineral_lunarium.png
18:14 rubberduck better ore textures, default they have all the same shape
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18:15 rubberduck i can make one
18:15 microcarrot I need a solid block texture
18:20 Megaf Quake III on a raspberry pi https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=88IHndVS_8Q
18:20 Megaf !title
18:20 MinetestBot Megaf: Quake 3 - Raspberry Pi (with sound) - YouTube
18:20 microcarrot seen it
18:20 kilbith \o/
18:21 rubberduck i work on a block texture, uploading soon here
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18:21 microcarrot rubberduck: #moontest
18:23 rubenwardy !tell iqualfragile got a traceback of the error on mmdb: https://bitbucket.org/iqualfragile/mmdb/iss​ue/25/some-broken-things-with-log-in-system
18:23 MinetestBot rubenwardy: I'll pass that on when iqualfragile is around
18:28 cities texture packs are disappointing
18:28 microcarrot yep
18:28 sfan5 cities: then make better ones
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18:28 cities Its like theres so many mods the packs can't account for them all
18:28 cities sfan5: No
18:29 kaeza the same happens in MC
18:29 cities yeah it does if you play modded MC
18:29 kaeza texture packs are not future proof
18:29 microcarrot exactly
18:29 cities if you don't play modded MC you've got a good chance of finding some that will at least be good til the next update
18:30 kaeza same with MT
18:30 cities but since you pretty much depend on mods for MT
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18:30 cities it would be kind of hard
18:30 cities to support them all
18:30 microcarrot that is gitpack's goal
18:30 kaeza if you play an unmodded server, it's highly likely the texture pack supports everythng
18:30 kaeza +i
18:30 cities is gitpack yours microcarrot
18:31 microcarrot yep
18:31 cities cool
18:31 cities kaeza: what do you get with an unmodded server though
18:31 kaeza cities, the most complete packs so far are probably HDX and Misa(?)
18:31 microcarrot http://github.com/realtinymonster/gitpack-minetest
18:31 cities ohh its you :)
18:31 cities I didn't know
18:31 cities Reality Monster
18:31 zlsa real tiny monster
18:32 cities I know I'm just messing around
18:32 kaeza fake giant pony?
18:32 cities microcarrot: do you have a screenshot with it running
18:32 kaeza <_<
18:33 microcarrot yeah
18:33 microcarrot somewhere on the forums
18:33 microcarrot XD
18:33 cities k
18:34 cities ill check it out sometime
18:34 cities sfan5: I'm not complaining about the artists
18:34 cities they are great
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18:36 oOChainLynxOo Blaxar
18:36 oOChainLynxOo Wadya doin here
18:36 * sfan5 meows at oOChainLynxOo
18:36 * oOChainLynxOo mewos at sfan5
18:36 * sfan5 cats
18:36 oOChainLynxOo Cats rule
18:36 * Jordach has a copy of Super Smash Bros on 3DS
18:37 oOChainLynxOo O_O
18:37 oOChainLynxOo Is it good
18:37 Jordach yesh
18:37 cities nothing makes me happier than bailbondsman soundboards on youtube
18:37 oOChainLynxOo :D
18:38 shadowzone Blaxar isn't here.
18:38 shadowzone oOChainLynxOo, you hanging around here cause the other #minetest doesn't talk enough about cats?
18:38 cities wheres the other minetest
18:38 cities not the dev one
18:39 shadowzone isis.inchra.net/#minetest
18:39 oOChainLynxOo No, because OldCoder is working on a Redcrab revival
18:39 shadowzone Oh.
18:39 OldCoder oOChainLynxOo, Hi
18:39 oOChainLynxOo Hi OldCoder
18:39 shadowzone So you want to be here to see that?
18:39 * shadowzone runs into a wall
18:39 OldCoder shadowzone, actually
18:39 OldCoder shadowzone, he may help to run the new crabzone
18:39 shadowzone Leik seriously why am I trying to learn how to use html?
18:40 shadowzone OldCoder, cool.
18:40 shadowzone oOChainLynxOo, good luck
18:40 OldCoder oOChainLynxOo, Sokomine is considering the unknown blocks
18:40 oOChainLynxOo Thank you shadowzone
18:40 oOChainLynxOo Oh yes, Sokomine will be a good help
18:40 OldCoder We'll hold off on finalizing the world until we have a decision on those
18:40 cities shadowzone:  minetest. ru?
18:40 OldCoder oOChainLynxOo, here is the current conf
18:40 shadowzone No.
18:40 OldCoder http://minetest.org/shadowconf.txt
18:40 OldCoder Suggest physics changes if necessary
18:40 shadowzone shadowconf.txt?
18:41 shadowzone I already have a server.  XD
18:41 OldCoder Oops
18:41 OldCoder http://minetest.org/silverconf.txt
18:41 OldCoder ^ correction
18:41 OldCoder oOChainLynxOo, ^
18:41 * shadowzone tries to read that
18:41 cities shadowzone:  is isis.inchra.net an irc server?
18:41 shadowzone Yes it is.
18:41 cities Ive never seen one start with isis
18:42 shadowzone Neither have I but everything needs something that is different.
18:42 Calinou microcarrot, for textures give http://neotextureedit.sourceforge.net/ a try :P
18:42 shadowzone Are we making Minetest look real life?
18:42 cities hmm my text turned grey for some reason
18:42 cities there we go
18:43 shadowzone then /join #minetest
18:43 PenguinDad cities: Inchra uses ancient egyptian gods as server naming scheme
18:43 cities ohh nice
18:43 shadowzone o.O
18:43 shadowzone Huh?
18:43 cities I'm a huge fan of ancient egyption gods..
18:44 * oOChainLynxOo is reviewing the conf
18:44 shadowzone I used to be.
18:44 shadowzone Then I became a nerd and now it's reviving ancient egyptian computers.
18:45 cities thats ambtious and great of you
18:45 shadowzone It's fun.
18:45 shadowzone But have you gotten into isis.inchra.net?
18:45 cities oh I wasn't trying
18:45 shadowzone Oh.
18:46 cities ircloud limits me to two connections
18:46 shadowzone Oh.
18:46 shadowzone You should get hexchat.
18:46 cities why Im using it I don't know
18:46 shadowzone It works much better.
18:46 microcarrot Daniel Ingram - Let The Rainbow Remind You only came out like a few days ago, yet there are already remixes
18:46 oOChainLynxOo OldCoder try bumping movement_speed_fast from 7 to 4, let's try that
18:46 microcarrot such fast
18:47 OldCoder Very well
18:47 shadowzone http://hexchat.github.io/
18:47 OldCoder movement_acceleration_air = 2
18:47 cities I can't use that unless theres a server that lets you use SSL and they have that set up
18:47 cities (hexchat)
18:47 cities looks nice though
18:47 cities its that a portable app
18:47 cities I downloaded pchat which was some fork of xchat
18:47 cities but portable
18:47 OldCoder What about that one?
18:47 OldCoder HexChat has a portable install mode
18:47 OldCoder It is also fully free FOSS
18:47 cities nice
18:48 shadowzone hexchat works without ssl.
18:48 OldCoder Recommended
18:48 OldCoder With and without
18:48 OldCoder It is the new XChat
18:48 cities so whats this PChat that I downloaded
18:48 cities some other fork
18:48 OldCoder Not familiar with it
18:48 OldCoder HexChat is the one to use
18:48 shadowzone probably crap.
18:48 shadowzone if you can only hook up to 2 networks.
18:48 cities probably.
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18:48 * OldCoder can't say
18:48 cities shadowzone: its because im not paying
18:49 shadowzone hexchat is free.
18:49 cities this is temporary til I get shell access again
18:49 cities and Ill be back to my beloved irssi
18:49 shadowzone if you know how to compile.
18:49 shadowzone XD
18:49 cities oh irssi
18:49 cities I miss you irssi
18:49 OldCoder I sigh for Irssi
18:49 oOChainLynxOo We'll test movement_air after testing movement_speed_fast
18:50 OldCoder oOChainLynxOo, change is made, will restart when Sokomine is done
18:50 cities I would love hexchat but
18:50 oOChainLynxOo Ok
18:50 cities I need something 24/7
18:50 OldCoder znc?
18:50 cities OldCoder: nothing to run it off of righ tnow
18:50 cities im looking for a free shell account after work
18:50 OldCoder Very well
18:51 cities im boring everyone to death with this but I had a friend who gave me an account
18:51 cities we traded expletives
18:51 cities and now I'm not longer on it
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18:51 * sfan5 meows at cities
18:51 cities Trading expletives is not good to do to the person who gives you access
18:52 microcarrot cities: lessonm learned, am I right?
18:52 cities Nah I'd do it again in a heartbeat
18:52 cities haha
18:52 shadowzone XD
18:53 PenguinDad <3 https://soundcloud.com/robgassermu​sic/sets/get-mad-cloudhead-records
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18:53 Niebieski Hey guys, I'm using linux mint and I installed the game but I can't create any world.
18:53 cities this friend found out I was leaving their little channel.He was like why am I still even giving you access if you're just using me
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18:53 kaeza Niebieski, what is the error?
18:53 cities I said  don't know, turn it off. Don't give two shits
18:54 OldCoder CWz, Moin
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18:54 shadowzone Hi CWz.
18:54 Niebieski kaeza: I don't get any error but when I click on create nothing happens.
18:54 hny lol
18:54 hny funny stuff
18:55 OldCoder oOChainLynxOo, try speed now
18:55 CWz it's nighttime here soon sleep will be upon me
18:55 hny <wdwhn> I have the shortest nick -.- <wdwhn> And you have the shortest dick
18:55 hny XD
18:56 OldCoder Shall we hear from you, Catesby, ere we sleep?
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18:56 oOChainLynxOo Hmm
18:56 oOChainLynxOo That made it default speed
18:57 oOChainLynxOo Try bumping it to 10
18:57 kaeza Niebieski, do you have any sub-games installed? (in /usr/share/minetest/games or ~/.minetest/games)
18:57 kaeza (or maybe /usr/share/games/minetest/games)
18:57 oOChainLynxOo OldCoder ^
18:57 OldCoder oOChainLynxOo, just did
18:57 Calinou Niebieski, do you have permissions to access the directory where worlds are made?
18:57 OldCoder oOChainLynxOo, you can use set -n to change it yourself
18:58 Calinou if your build is run-in-place
18:58 Calinou (if you installed through a package, your build isn't run-in-place)
18:58 shadowzone How are you guys playing together?
18:59 oOChainLynxOo shadowzone: minetest.org 30019
19:00 Calinou oOChainLynxOo, there's a mod for setting speed while playing, with a privilege
19:00 Calinou has /speed, /jump and /gravity commands
19:02 Niebieski kaeza: I have minetest-mapper in usr/games.
19:02 OldCoder So snack
19:02 CWz Calinou: is there a link
19:02 * CookieEaterDoge barks
19:02 OldCoder Very tasty
19:02 oOChainLynxOo Calinou, OldCoder already told me about the set -n
19:04 kaeza Niebieski, do this: go to ~/.minetest, delete `debug.txt`, re-run the game, and as soon as you click the "Create world" button, check `debug.txt` again and see if there's any error
19:04 Niebieski kaeza: Yes there are sub-games in ~/minetest/games
19:05 cities some develop a legitimate iOS version for minetest, why should android users get all the fun
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19:05 MinetestBot iqualfragile: 10-03 18:23 UTC <rubenwardy> got a traceback of the error on mmdb: https://bitbucket.org/iqualfragile/mmdb/iss​ue/25/some-broken-things-with-log-in-system
19:06 kaeza cities, gib irr 4 ios pl0x
19:06 rubenwardy ignore that
19:06 rubenwardy Trace back for another problem
19:06 cities im sorry what
19:06 rubenwardy Talking to iqualfragile
19:06 cities I was talking to kaeza
19:06 kaeza does irrlicht support iOS?
19:06 rubenwardy ah, ok
19:06 realtinymonster yes
19:06 PenguinDad kaeza: yes it does
19:06 realtinymonster i think
19:06 iqualfragile rubenwardy: i got a traceback for both errors
19:07 iqualfragile from x yz
19:07 iqualfragile but i currently can't work on it, still on hollydays
19:07 rubenwardy Can you pass them to me?
19:07 realtinymonster iqualfragile: why you put a space?
19:07 kaeza oh, then submit a patch to build it
19:07 rubenwardy Stop pinging
19:07 rubenwardy I guess
19:07 iqualfragile yep
19:07 iqualfragile im talking about not to, so why would i ping
19:07 kaeza also, don't you need a jailbroken phone or a dev license or something on iOS?
19:08 cities why can't it go through apple app store
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19:09 cities there are a couple of apps there
19:09 cities that will connect to minetest servers
19:09 cities they are....not good
19:10 Niebieski kaeza: I can't find 'debug.txt'.
19:10 kaeza huh
19:10 Sokomine OldCoder: http://pastebin.com/gCsB1ei9  is the abm that will convert the unkown nodes to cyan wool. the moreblocks...hm...perhaps we can get calinou to figure out the correct version of moreblocks :-)
19:10 iqualfragile sfan5: don't you have a windows installation?
19:11 sfan5 iqualfragile: which one? windows 7 or windows 10?
19:11 rubenwardy Windows 10? D:
19:11 sfan5 yes
19:11 iqualfragile sfan5: any, just where does minetest save its debug.txt
19:11 kaeza Niebieski, it may be in ~/, or in the cwd where you started (if started from the command line)
19:11 sfan5 iqualfragile: bin/
19:12 sfan5 rubenwardy: https://cdn.mediacru.sh/p4J2aF1i-ybl.png
19:12 iqualfragile Niebieski: ^
19:12 rubenwardy What happened to Windows 9?
19:12 sfan5 there is none
19:12 kaeza Linux ate it
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19:13 Nerotic II can answer that
19:13 Nerotic *I
19:13 Nerotic Windows 7 8 9
19:13 Nerotic Read it out loud, it explains why it isnt Windows 9
19:13 Niebieski kaeza: My system partition doesn't have free space, maybe this is the problem ?
19:13 Nerotic lol
19:13 kaeza ·_·
19:13 Niebieski kaeza: I keep delete stuff but it keep saying that there is no free space.
19:14 rubenwardy The start menu for Windows 10 - the 'live tiles' look like Adverts
19:14 rubenwardy as in clutter
19:14 Nerotic uh
19:14 Nerotic yea
19:14 PenguinDad Nerotic: I don't get it
19:14 Nerotic Windows 7 ate 9, 8 is the ate
19:14 Nerotic Like the "Why is 8 afraid of 7? cuz 7 8 9"
19:14 Niebieski Guys Google why there are no Windows 9...
19:15 PenguinDad 284me
19:15 Nerotic lol guys
19:15 Nerotic its actually because of windows 95 and 98
19:15 Nerotic too similar
19:15 rubenwardy Because it was too big a leap.
19:15 Nerotic lolno
19:15 kaeza because MS counts in base 9? <_<
19:15 cities because its weird
19:16 rubenwardy Let's not bully MS about skipping a version, Minetest did it too. See 0.4.2 (or don't)
19:16 PenguinDad Base 9 :D
19:16 oOChainLynxOo LOL
19:16 cities I said something about it in  here and someone said the name doesn't matter
19:16 cities maybe that was some other channel
19:18 Sokomine perhaps there was a secret 0.4.1 around somewhere :-)
19:18 cities someone told me microsoft indonesia promised free windows 9
19:18 Nerotic lol
19:18 rubenwardy It really annoys me when people say "Intrest[/ed/ing]"
19:18 oOChainLynxOo Oh, hi Sokomine
19:18 Sokomine hi chainlynx
19:18 * Jordach is interested why rubenwardy is like that >:D
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19:19 MinetestBot hisforever: 10-03 01:51 UTC <Fritigern> If you just want to build, mine and farm, you'd be better off finding a game without mobs.
19:19 Niebieski I'm BRB.
19:19 FreeFull rubenwardy: Slackware skipped versions too
19:19 rubenwardy ^ that's how it should be (Jordach)
19:19 rubenwardy not intrested
19:19 rubenwardy :(
19:19 rubenwardy Oh well
19:19 hisforever Hi everyone its great to be here
19:19 Sokomine Calinou: it seems the version i did choose for redcrab_game is not perfect. it misses some nodes. do you have any idea what might be done? afaik newer versions changed too much (especially some textures)
19:19 FreeFull It went straight from 10.0 to 13.1
19:19 PenguinDad rubenwardy: but what if my int rested?
19:20 cities hi hisforever !
19:20 cities it is great to be here
19:20 rubenwardy hmmm. What would that mean? An integer data type is not used for a while?
19:20 kaeza your a funny guy
19:20 * kaeza hides
19:21 PenguinDad rubenwardy: It's just a bad bad pun
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19:21 hisforever Hi cities how are you?
19:22 cities wondeful
19:22 cities how are you
19:22 rubenwardy kaeza, that's even worse :(
19:22 hisforever grrr can't seem to change font color
19:22 hisforever I'm great ty
19:22 rubenwardy hisforever, ctrl+k?
19:22 rubenwardy 4Hello!
19:23 rubenwardy Oh, you probably mean ingame :S
19:23 oOChainLynxOo Nice red text
19:23 PenguinDad I heard you like font colors
19:23 hisforever
19:23 oOChainLynxOo Lol
19:23 rubenwardy ctrl+k, and number (4 is red), and then type the text :P
19:23 hisforever yes lol
19:23 MinetestBot 4Eve7n I8 do3 rainb6ows! <4​3
19:23 Nerotic lol
19:23 hisforever ty thats great
19:23 rubenwardy 3What?
19:24 Nerotic wtf is this sht xD
19:24 hisforever so I have to hit ctrl k everytine
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19:24 oOChainLynxOo 4 Durka
19:24 oOChainLynxOo LO
19:24 oOChainLynxOo LOL*
19:24 rubenwardy Yeah, hisforever. I checked your client supported t.
19:25 realtinymonster Purple, scrubs
19:25 niebieski kaeza: I just restarted and it worked fine, sorry for bothering you. :)
19:25 oOChainLynxOo 2Sacre bleu
19:25 rubenwardy Bye all!
19:25 hisforever ty Rubenwardy :)
19:25 rubenwardy (gtg)
19:25 oOChainLynxOo Bye rubenwardy
19:25 Nerotic Anyone here actually get Windows 10 preview?
19:25 Nerotic I did.
19:25 oOChainLynxOo Microchip did
19:25 kaeza niebieski, no problem. glad you made it work :)
19:26 sfan5 Nerotic: me
19:26 Nerotic sfan5, nice isnt it?
19:26 sfan5 yes
19:26 sfan5 UI looks nicer than in 8
19:26 Nerotic its sweet.
19:26 Nerotic of course
19:26 Nerotic windows 7 + 8 = windows 10
19:27 realtinymonster WAIT
19:27 hisforever I'm using dreambuliders game but can't get Animals to work. I have then actavites too?
19:27 realtinymonster windows 10 preview is out?
19:27 Nerotic yea
19:27 * realtinymonster dislikes living under a rock
19:27 sfan5 !g windows 10 tp download
19:27 MinetestBot sfan5: http://windows.microsoft.co​m/en-us/windows/preview-iso
19:27 sfan5 ^ realtinymonster
19:28 niebieski So guys I want Minetest to be as similar as possible to Minecraft, which mods I have to install ?
19:28 sfan5 niebieski: tried Carbone
19:28 sfan5 ?
19:28 niebieski No, I didn't try any mod yet, I'm new.
19:28 hisforever I will not go back to windows for anybodt don't like the resource hog lol
19:29 sfan5 who talked about going back to windows?
19:29 cities Ballmer
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19:30 * PenguinDad wonders how big the windows 10 iso is
19:30 zat is it possible to change tiles of a node without changing the node itself?
19:30 sfan5 no
19:31 sfan5 PenguinDad: 3,9GWindowsTechnicalPreview-x64-EN-US.iso
19:31 zat no to me or someone else?
19:31 Nerotic to me
19:31 Nerotic jk
19:31 PenguinDad impossible to download for me \o/
19:31 zat no to me or someone else to who answered or someone else?
19:31 sfan5 zat: "no" to you
19:32 zat no to me or someone else to who answered or someone else to sfan5 or someone else?
19:32 realtinymonster AGH
19:32 realtinymonster fuck m$
19:32 realtinymonster they all "Sorry…
19:32 realtinymonster Your Microsoft account says you’re under 18 years old. You have to be an adult to join the Windows Insider Program."
19:32 hisforever I'll be setting in here and building a house
19:33 * realtinymonster realizes that its time to make a new m$ account
19:33 niebieski So with this preview version I would be using Windows legally ?
19:34 realtinymonster yep
19:34 sfan5 realtinymonster: you can download it w/o creating an account
19:34 cities im getting windows 9 from indonesia
19:34 realtinymonster really?
19:34 sfan5 niebieski: yes, version expires april 15th though
19:34 sfan5 just click on a download link
19:34 realtinymonster https://insider.windows.com/
19:35 realtinymonster oh
19:35 realtinymonster lol
19:38 realtinymonster hmm
19:38 realtinymonster I'd like to have something like this
19:39 realtinymonster and the system requirements are pretty low
19:39 realtinymonster Processor: 1 gigahertz (GHz) or faster
19:39 realtinymonster RAM: 1 gigabyte (GB) (32-bit) or 2 GB (64-bit)
19:39 realtinymonster Free hard disk space: 16 GB
19:39 realtinymonster Graphics card: Microsoft DirectX 9 graphics device with WDDM driver
19:39 realtinymonster A Microsoft account and Internet access
19:40 realtinymonster well
19:40 realtinymonster i'm gonna go VM this son of a gun
19:40 * realtinymonster lauches qemu
19:42 OldCoder Sokomine, shall I run that now?
19:43 OldCoder http://pastebin.com/gCsB1ei9
19:43 OldCoder People, what shall I do with this?
19:43 OldCoder oOChainLynxOo, VanessaE ?
19:43 OldCoder Where does that go?
19:43 oOChainLynxOo I really don't know. I never got this technical
19:43 OldCoder Hm. sfan5 ? kaeza ?
19:44 Nerotic bbl
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19:44 OldCoder oOChainLynxOo, I'm going to try it shortly
19:45 oOChainLynxOo Ok
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19:45 OldCoder We're about to possibly start the actual world
19:46 SylvieLorxu >A Microsoft account
19:46 SylvieLorxu >Internet access
19:46 SylvieLorxu Those are ridiculous system requirements, especially the first one
19:47 Miner_48er OldCoder create a folder in mods and add that code to an init.lua file in it then enable it
19:47 OldCoder Just did
19:47 OldCoder One other thing
19:47 OldCoder moreblocks:stair_stonebrick
19:47 OldCoder Will somebody help to find that?
19:47 OldCoder BTW enable it? Just adding it should work, right?
19:49 Miner_48er depends on the version and which mods dir your using
19:49 OldCoder Enable how?
19:49 Nerotic Anyone know of a really awesome fork besides WOTT?
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19:49 PenguinDad WOOT?
19:49 PenguinDad *WOTT
19:50 Nerotic World of the Test.
19:51 PenguinDad I only know lord of the test
19:51 Nerotic Freeminer, Voxel, Carbone, those are the ones ive tried
19:51 Nerotic and wott
19:52 Miner_48er OldCoder ~/minetest/worlds/world's name/world.mt
19:52 OldCoder Hm? It's enabled by defualt
19:52 OldCoder * default
19:52 OldCoder Preparing to restart
19:52 OldCoder <OldCoder> One other thing
19:52 OldCoder <OldCoder> moreblocks:stair_stonebrick
19:52 OldCoder <OldCoder> Will somebody help to find that?
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19:53 oOChainLynxOo Very well
19:53 oOChainLynxOo Nerotic: For a good fork, try BFD by Jordach
19:54 Nerotic Okay thanks
19:54 CWz BFD is not fork
19:54 CWz it a minetest subgame
19:54 oOChainLynxOo subgame?
19:54 PenguinDad BFD kills my eyes
19:54 oOChainLynxOo That's right
19:54 shadowzone Let me know when it's back up.
19:54 CWz freeminer is fork
19:54 oOChainLynxOo Freeminer's a good fork
19:54 exio4 it ain't that good
19:55 oOChainLynxOo Well it's good, but not amazing
19:56 Sokomine OldCoder: you can run the abm. it ought to work and convert those unkown nodes that are wool into it
19:56 oOChainLynxOo What about Voxelands
19:57 Nerotic as i said "voxel"
19:57 oOChainLynxOo Sorry, didn't see that
19:57 Nerotic ok
19:57 PenguinDad Voxelands runs slower than Minetest for me
19:58 Nerotic not for me
19:58 Nerotic much faster for m3
19:59 oOChainLynxOo http://minetest.weebly.com/minetest-forks.html
19:59 kaeza voxelands has its pros and cons. for example, it may be faster than minetest, but it lacks moddability
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19:59 OldCoder <OldCoder> <OldCoder> One other thing
19:59 oOChainLynxOo Modability is crucial in Minetest
19:59 OldCoder <OldCoder> <OldCoder> moreblocks:stair_stonebrick
19:59 OldCoder <OldCoder> <OldCoder> Will somebody help to find that?
19:59 oOChainLynxOo Very well, OldCoder
20:00 OldCoder Well, I suppose we'll need to fix that later. SilverCrab is now live. oOChainLynxOo VanessaE others feel free to worldedit repairs.
20:01 Miner_48er OldCoder code and texture http://cornernote.net/minetest/guide/modulat​or/item.php?name=moreblocks:stair_stonebrick
20:01 oOChainLynxOo Ah yes
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20:09 CWz Voxellands is minetest-classic oOChainLynxOo
20:09 oOChainLynxOo Yup
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20:25 Calinou Sokomine, I don't have More Blocks versions earlier than July 2013
20:25 Calinou <oOChainLynxOo> Freeminer's a good fork
20:25 Calinou slow, unstable, glitchy
20:25 Calinou :/
20:25 Calinou but has colour codes, unlike Minetest…
20:25 oOChainLynxOo True
20:26 oOChainLynxOo OldCoder: I need you for a moment over at Silvercrab
20:26 Calinou because the pull request that is made for color codes here will look like a pizza slice left in fridge for 2 weeks
20:26 oOChainLynxOo Lol
20:26 Calinou “rebase needed”, which means it's useless
20:26 Calinou https://github.com/minetest/minete​st/pull/1636#issuecomment-57781853
20:26 OldCoder oOChainLynxOo, kk I am here and there
20:29 oOChainLynxOo Sokomine, we need help on protecting
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20:36 proller Calinou, under linux now stable
20:36 Calinou but lower FPS, more stuttering…
20:37 proller fmp maybe lower, but it more stable
20:37 proller try rotate in mt and fm
20:38 proller also fm playable with 100000 loaded blocks in viewrange
20:38 proller and fixing in progress
20:40 PenguinDad proller: fps is less stable in freeminer
20:42 Amaz
20:43 Amaz But having said that freeminer has improved a lot in the last 6 months.
20:43 Amaz I can now play it, for a start :P
20:44 proller please report os, version when it "slow"
20:45 Amaz Derivative of Ubuntu 14:04, fairly recent dev version.
20:46 Amaz And I can't compile the next branch :(
20:46 proller now merging in progress
20:46 PenguinDad Debian Jessie latest dev version
20:47 proller maybe  more_threads=0 will bit help
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20:49 Calinou https://cdn.mediacru.sh/JDu-i4V8_EFQ.png
20:49 Calinou https://cdn.mediacru.sh/9AGcsjoLU_tH.png
20:50 proller wow! new feature ;)
20:51 PenguinDad proller: it is much faster with more_threads = false
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20:53 proller unsuccessful experiment
20:54 proller also can try compile with cmake . -DDISABLE_THREADS=1
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21:07 Jordach i heard proller was trolling again
21:07 Jordach why the fuck has he not been banned yet
21:09 Nerotic ?
21:09 Nerotic isnt proller like a core dev?
21:10 john_minetest proller runs a fork of minetest. Can't recall the name. freeminer or something.
21:10 Nerotic ah
21:10 Jordach fail*
21:11 Jordach not really a fork more of a how many patches can we make to stop a leaky bucket being leaky by design
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21:15 iqualfragile hi shadowzone
21:16 shadowzone Hi iqualfragile.
21:16 iqualfragile have you been to a disco or why were you offline?
21:16 shadowzone I had to go do chores.
21:16 shadowzone I'm only 12.
21:17 iqualfragile so?
21:17 shadowzone My mom made me do my chors/
21:17 shadowzone *chores
21:18 proller Jordach, you need to eat anti-butthurt drug, or your chair will be fired
21:18 Jordach proller, try memory foam
21:18 iqualfragile proller: is freeminer even still alive?
21:18 proller iqualfragile, yes.
21:18 iqualfragile shadowzone: you should run away from home
21:18 shadowzone Nope.
21:18 iqualfragile proller: what are the main differences to minetest these days? iirc one of the main split reasons was the network protocoll?
21:19 iqualfragile shadowzone: why not?
21:19 shadowzone I don't want to run away.
21:19 shadowzone No wi-fi
21:20 proller iqualfragile, no, network was changed in next branch after fork
21:20 proller and still not merged to master
21:20 iqualfragile shadowzone: my van has wifi
21:20 proller it will be merged after next release
21:20 iqualfragile sure it will
21:20 iqualfragile so what is the diff?
21:21 cities shadowzone: you're going to be very successful
21:21 proller http://forum.freeminer.org/threads/fu​ll-list-of-changes-from-minetest.110/
21:21 shadowzone huh?
21:21 shadowzone At What
21:22 cities If you're 12 then you're really smart
21:22 shadowzone I am only 12.
21:23 cities I can't decide if that's a meme or you're really 12
21:23 kaeza second
21:23 iqualfragile cities: no, its really 12
21:23 cities Thats amazing
21:23 iqualfragile proller: how did you implement wieldlight?
21:23 kaeza also: "webscale JSON over SSL compute shader locator database" sounds like a nice project
21:24 iqualfragile kaeza: wtf does it do?
21:24 kaeza iqualfragile, http://bullshit.srsfckn.biz/
21:24 proller iqualfragile, it was not my feature
21:24 iqualfragile proller: how did you guys implement wieldlight?
21:24 iqualfragile extensible extended pipelining frontend provider
21:24 iqualfragile that even makes sense
21:25 john_minetest Minimap seems to be the biggest change.
21:25 proller btw now mese tools have small light, very useful ;)
21:26 iqualfragile problem with wieldlight is that you always forget to place torches
21:26 proller https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/816
21:27 john_minetest As you see, this would give a disadvantage to people with slower computers.
21:27 proller john_minetest, 525 files changed, 97540 insertions(+), 58515 deletions(-)
21:28 proller its not only minimap.
21:28 john_minetest Well, but minimap is the most visible feature.
21:28 cities I tried freeminer and only one public server came up
21:28 john_minetest Most of the time I haven't got any server lag at all.
21:29 proller cities, wich version?
21:29 iqualfragile john_minetest: now it gives a disadvantage to everybody
21:29 iqualfragile also realistically the amount of people playing without shaders is below 2 percent
21:29 cities I dunno I just downloaded it maybe sometime last week
21:29 proller first main problem was too laggy server, and it near solved
21:29 cities I love sandbox games
21:30 proller cities, download windows version?
21:30 john_minetest iqualfragile: We advertise, that minetest also runs on slow hardware. With that feature, cave exploring would be SO much easier for people with fast computers, that it would be unfair.
21:30 proller win toooooo old
21:30 cities Yes windows
21:30 iqualfragile john_minetest: why do we advertise that minetest runs on _that_ old hardware
21:31 proller old hardware == new mobiles
21:31 iqualfragile and how old has your hardware to be that no shaders are supported
21:31 iqualfragile i think its a fight for nobody
21:31 Calinou https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/1711
21:31 Calinou very cool
21:31 PenguinDad iqualfragile: ask Krock :P
21:31 john_minetest Well, I can play on 60 fps with shaders turned on. My old computer got 24 with shaders on. And it isn't that old.
21:31 proller also minetest is not fast
21:31 cities So the windows one doesn't get updated
21:32 john_minetest Some people find 24 FPS a bit slow.
21:32 PenguinDad ^ Minetest as a Movie :D
21:32 proller cities, now need to find/fix some bugs and build/test on windows for next release
21:32 john_minetest srsly, we got 4k movies but only 24 fps
21:32 cities Ok I'll try it out
21:33 cities Is there some kind of rivalry between the two?
21:33 proller fm always have all latest mt changes ;)
21:36 Calinou http://wiki.geany.org/themes/start
21:36 Calinou this is actually a DokuWiki and not MediaWiki :o
21:36 Calinou it took me several minutes to realize
21:36 Calinou john_minetest, try watching a 48 fps movie and see
21:36 Calinou you're unlikely to like it
21:37 PenguinDad Calinou: just look at the damn favicon.ico ;)
21:37 Calinou talking about favicons: http://realfavicongenerator.net/
21:38 Jordach Calinou, i wanna see Avatar 2 at 120fps
21:38 iqualfragile elfenlied: blut und brüste
21:39 iqualfragile how the fuck is something like that successfull
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21:48 john_minetest Lol, watched a video about 60 FPS on youtube. "Makes sense since most playstation and xbox one games will run with 60 FPS"... What? Did I miss something?
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21:52 Jordach john_minetest, they mean 24fps 720[
21:52 Jordach 720p even
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21:57 PenguinDad "interactive open-source non-blocking SVG framework" I want this so much xD
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21:58 Jordach <kaeza> iqualfragile, http://bullshit.srsfckn.biz/
21:59 Jordach industry-leading generic NoSQL application generator
22:00 Jordach touché
22:00 Nerotic Is there a way to make your game require it to be creative only, and no option for survival?
22:00 Nerotic (working on a fork)
22:00 Jordach Nerotic, not really, except removing the creative mode check from creative
22:00 Jordach (the mod)
22:00 Nerotic So if i do this, itll have to be creative?
22:02 Jordach the creative mod only runs if creative mode's checkbox is checked from the main menu
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22:02 * Jordach thinks Failminer needs this: generic framework optimizer
22:05 Nerotic so, basically, if i remove the check, itll think that its selected automatically, and run it?
22:06 Jordach yes
22:06 Jordach !pil Nerotic
22:06 MinetestBot Nerotic, Someone thinks you need to brush up on or learn Lua, please go to: http://lua.org/pil/
22:06 Nerotic I have a good understanding of lua, dont worry.
22:06 Nerotic I have to check the dev wiki sometimes though.
22:07 kaeza Nerotic, you could do if not minetest.setting_get_bool("creative_mode") then error("GTFO") end
22:07 kaeza s/get_bool/getbool/
22:07 Nerotic kaeza, in what file...?
22:07 Nerotic wait
22:07 kaeza in an individual mod
22:07 Nerotic ik
22:07 Nerotic just had a brain fart fck
22:11 Nerotic damnit that was too easy, how did i not think of that
22:18 john_minetest !next
22:18 MinetestBot Another satisfied customer. Next!
22:22 Nerotic Guys.
22:22 Nerotic At the top of creative/init.lua i did:
22:23 Nerotic if not minetest.setting_get_bool("creative_mode") then error("Creative only") end
22:23 Nerotic And i get an error, whats wrong with it?
22:23 kaeza <kaeza> s/get_bool/getbool/
22:23 Nerotic wat
22:24 Nerotic so, minetest.setting.get_bool_getbool?
22:24 kaeza ...
22:24 Nerotic wait no
22:24 Nerotic wtf
22:24 kaeza ftw!
22:25 PenguinDad FTL!
22:25 kaeza it's setting_getbool, not setting_get_bool
22:25 Nerotic OHHH wtf is wrong with me today
22:25 Nerotic i have never needed help from irc before, but today im just all fucked up. i gotta like take a break for today. im really like, not all there
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22:45 oOChainLynxOo Sokomine I need help on protecting, I'm on silvercrab right now and need to protect some stuff
22:47 Sokomine oOChainLynxOo: i'm afraid you'll have to wait a moment. i just compiled the newest version of mt, made an error while integrating the map-saving function, and thus need to wait until the client has built again
22:47 VanessaE oOChainLynxOo: when I signed onto the initial test, I had a protection block in my hand
22:47 Sokomine even then, to my knowledge the known areas are not yet installed. i'm not sure how safe it will be
22:47 VanessaE I placed it and I was granted control over the area I was standing near, but I've no idea just how much area that was or what the boundaries were
22:47 VanessaE (I didn't even realize it was a protection block)
22:48 Sokomine VanessaE: there are diffrent types of them. did the block disappear after you placed it?
22:48 VanessaE fortunately, I was at the front door of my house, so at least I know I own it.
22:48 VanessaE Sokomine: yes, it did.  it was a dark blue block with light blue edging.
22:48 Sokomine VanessaE: landrush then
22:49 Sokomine OldCoder: redcrabs world needs another type of protection. please don't take mods, configs or anything else from the landrush world. they're wastly diffrent, although both attracted good players
22:49 OldCoder Sokomine, feel free to suggest specific changes
22:49 Sokomine OldCoder: areas mod by shadowninja
22:50 oOChainLynxOo Hmm what's the string name for a protection block
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22:50 OldCoder Sokomine, are you saying to add that or remove that?
22:50 Sokomine OldCoder: remove landrush protection mod, add areas protection mod. installing the original list of protections is also necessary
22:50 OldCoder I don't think I have landrush mod
22:51 OldCoder And feel free to suggest how to get the original list of protections
22:51 OldCoder I think it will need to be reconstructed
22:51 Sokomine what vanessae described is the behaviour specific to the landrush mod. it has such landclaim blocks that disappear after placement. could of course be a clone/fork of it
22:51 OldCoder Which is precisely why waiting to set up this world is inadvisable
22:51 OldCoder I don't have the landrush mod
22:52 Sokomine hmm. are you certain? it may be called landclaim or whatever. you have it at least on the landrush server i think
22:52 OldCoder Wait
22:52 VanessaE I believe redcrab's server used a variant of the old node_ownership mod, so areas mod should work in its place
22:52 OldCoder http://minetest.org/silvermods.txt
22:52 OldCoder There you go, Sokomine
22:52 VanessaE I believe areas mod can load node_ownership's data table
22:53 OldCoder The two of you decide and tell me what to do
22:53 VanessaE As Sokomine said.  Use the areas mod.
22:54 OldCoder Link?
22:54 VanessaE https://github.com/ShadowNinja/areas
22:54 OldCoder Direct download link?
22:54 VanessaE git clone https://github.com/ShadowNinja/areas.git
22:54 OldCoder Wait
22:54 VanessaE or download, https://github.com/ShadowNin​ja/areas/archive/master.zip
22:54 OldCoder Moments
22:54 VanessaE wait?  me?  you're kidding right? ;)
22:55 OldCoder Do I just run this? No setup needed?
22:55 VanessaE um..
22:55 * VanessaE pokes ShadowNinja
22:55 VanessaE I don't remember if there's any setup needed
22:55 OldCoder This doesn't seem to do anything
22:55 VanessaE I know it has some options you can change
22:55 OldCoder But provide the command to protect
22:55 VanessaE e.g. there's self-protection for example
22:55 VanessaE and you can set the limits of that
22:55 OldCoder Feel free to suggest a config file
22:55 VanessaE sec
22:56 OldCoder It doesn't do anything by itself
22:56 VanessaE areas.self_protection = true
22:56 VanessaE areas.self_protection_max_size = {x=50, y=100, z=50}
22:56 VanessaE areas.self_protection_max_areas = 36
22:56 VanessaE put this in minetest.conf
22:56 VanessaE you may want to tune the size and area count
22:56 OldCoder What does that 36 do?
22:56 VanessaE that's how many areas an individual can claim without an Admin's help
22:57 OldCoder Will this protect existing areas?
22:57 VanessaE I used 36 because users are always claiming lots of little areas, e.g. small buildings et al.
22:57 OldCoder Will this protect existing areas?
22:57 VanessaE yes, there is a way to load the node_ownership data file
22:57 VanessaE sec
22:58 VanessaE ah
22:58 VanessaE /legacy_load_areas  maybe?
22:58 VanessaE (after which, I believe it then saves it in its current format and works with the result from there like normal)
22:58 Sokomine VanessaE: that's right. redcrab had a variant of node_ownership (and his special form of registering). shadowninja wrote his areas mod with redcrabs server in mind and tested conversion of the saved area data with live data from redcrab back then
22:59 VanessaE /legacy_load_areas   ...or...   /legacy_load_areas 0
22:59 Sokomine OldCoder: also install my markers mod alongside. that's easier to handle for players
23:00 VanessaE one of those will read the data file and import its protected zones.
23:00 iqualfragile shadowzone: why are you in -dev and why does your cloak only work some times?
23:00 OldCoder Sokomine, one step at a time; first goal is to do basic repairs, second is protect existing areas
23:00 OldCoder VanessaE, indicate what to do more specifically?
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23:01 shadowzone I go to devs to read and learn.
23:01 OldCoder Sokomine is there just now, she is free to do this now
23:01 VanessaE OldCoder: install that mod, make sure the node_ownership data file is in its usual place, start the server, sign on and do:   /legacy_load_areas
23:01 shadowzone And I have to do /msg nickserv identify <mypass> for it to work.
23:01 iqualfragile shadowzone: you should use sasl
23:01 shadowzone I just did that.
23:01 Sokomine ah. the cyan wool did convert. that worked fine so far
23:01 OldCoder VanessaE, make sure what node ownership file is where? I will listen and obey
23:01 VanessaE OldCoder: then just restart the server and confirm that the protected zones are working.
23:01 OldCoder VanessaE, make sure what node ownership file is where? I will listen and obey
23:02 iqualfragile https://www.freenode.net/sasl/sasl-hexchat.shtml
23:02 iqualfragile ah, good
23:02 VanessaE OldCoder: the datafile that contains the node_ownership protection entries.  I don't know how you can go about getting that.  *looks at Sokomine*
23:02 OldCoder There doesn't seem to be one
23:02 Sokomine need to check if i can still get a copy with the server not running
23:03 OldCoder What about from 30402 ?
23:03 VanessaE Sokomine: is there any way... ANY way at all to get a raw copy of the world folder from redcrab?
23:03 VanessaE OldCoder: what's at 30402?
23:03 OldCoder An old griefed copy of RedCrab
23:03 VanessaE ah, probably not then
23:03 OldCoder The nodes seem to know who planted them
23:04 OldCoder So, no mod will protect existing nodes?
23:04 VanessaE OldCoder: only if you have the datafile that contains the protection entries.
23:04 shadowzone I did that.
23:04 VanessaE OldCoder: I think areas mod can protect the whole world
23:04 OldCoder Can recreate from SQL but I lack the time
23:04 OldCoder Um
23:04 VanessaE and then you can open up holes to build in
23:04 VanessaE but that's hacky
23:04 Sokomine VanessaE: i have no more chances of contacting redcrab and getting a reply than anyone else. perhaps if someone could locate a more promising email adress?
23:05 OldCoder How is that better than limiting interact?
23:05 VanessaE OldCoder: well with interact and no protection of existing structures, just anyone could destroy the spawn, etc.
23:05 OldCoder Well, consider the matter and decide what is best
23:06 VanessaE OldCoder: until you can obtain the data file, you have no choice but to protect the whole world and whitelist.
23:06 OldCoder Indicate what to do, then
23:07 OldCoder I'd prefer to lock down just the core areas
23:07 VanessaE that's the problem...there aren't any "core" areas on re-- silvercrab
23:07 Sokomine the data about protection has been obtained. i'm not sure if it can be converted directly, or how the conversion process was intended
23:07 Sokomine perhaps some editing might be needed
23:07 OldCoder So, there's no way to protect just the nodes that have owners?
23:07 VanessaE Sokomine: what have you got?
23:07 VanessaE OldCoder: they're already protected anyway
23:08 OldCoder Explain
23:08 VanessaE OldCoder: only the owner of a node can dig that node.
23:08 VanessaE that's in the engine
23:08 OldCoder Um
23:08 OldCoder Then how does griefing happen?
23:08 VanessaE oh you mean a whole building.
23:08 VanessaE sorry, I took that to mean e.g. a locked chest
23:08 OldCoder Any node
23:09 VanessaE if an individual node has an owner assigned to it by the mod that created the node, as in the case of a locked chest or any of Home Decor's locked devices, then that node cannot be griefed.
23:09 VanessaE but that's all
23:09 OldCoder All right
23:09 VanessaE anything else is fair game if you don't have a working protection mod
23:09 OldCoder So we have no simple way to protect current buildings
23:09 VanessaE Sokomine: what about that data?  what did you get?
23:09 VanessaE OldCoder: not as yet
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23:11 zat how can I overlay a texture over another with a specified opacity?
23:11 zat like: [opacity:50:file
23:11 VanessaE zat: if it works at all, you have to set the opacity in the overlaid texture using your image editor.
23:11 VanessaE there isn't a combine operator for that
23:12 VanessaE I believe it DOES work though
23:12 VanessaE (it works for cracks anyway)
23:12 zat VanessaE: yes it works
23:12 zat but I dont want that
23:12 VanessaE that's all you can do I think
23:12 Nerotic wait
23:12 Nerotic just realized something
23:13 Nerotic if you used php get statements and made them echo data required for registering nodes, you could make a block maker (mod wise)
23:13 Nerotic $name_of_block = 'name';
23:13 Sokomine OldCoder: the nether mod ought to go
23:13 Nerotic etc. etc.
23:13 VanessaE Nerotic: sure but how would you get the resultant code into Minetest?
23:14 VanessaE Sokomine: it's a fake mod
23:14 Sokomine VanessaE: the list of owned areas, pretty current. not from redcrab directly. he installed a mechanism a while ago so that i can get it automaticly
23:14 VanessaE that "nether" is a dummy
23:14 Nerotic VanessaE, save as perhaps, if it was an iframe program, or web based
23:14 VanessaE Sokomine: AHHH
23:14 VanessaE Sokomine: complete with coordinates?
23:15 Sokomine yes
23:15 VanessaE Sokomine: it should be possible then, to convert that data into something `areas` can import
23:15 * VanessaE pokes ShadowNinja
23:15 Sokomine complete with coordinates. i have to figure out how it can be fed to the areas mod. that may require minimal editing
23:16 Sokomine yes. shadowninja did that in the past, and i'm pretty sure areas can handle it. just need to check the how
23:16 VanessaE I forsee lots of bash, sed, awk and other shell operations :)
23:18 Sokomine hmm. perhaps
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23:23 Sokomine areas has a legacy.lua file that looks promising
23:24 Sokomine until then: can you find out why the textures on silvercrab are broken? desert sand had the yellowish texture, not the orangeish one, and cobble looks like almost-modern cobble? or do i have a broken texture pack?
23:27 oOChainLynxOo Hmph
23:27 oOChainLynxOo I need more help
23:27 oOChainLynxOo Area's too big to protect
23:27 oOChainLynxOo Trying to protect the compass and Eiffel Tower
23:28 oOChainLynxOo Sokomine, VanessaE, what do I do
23:29 oOChainLynxOo Never mind, figured it out
23:29 Nerotic isnt chainlynx a youtuber?
23:29 oOChainLynxOo Yes
23:30 Nerotic ah i watch you like once a week
23:30 Nerotic nice videos
23:30 oOChainLynxOo Thank you :)
23:30 oOChainLynxOo I try
23:30 Nerotic It's pretty funny if you ask me.
23:30 Nerotic Good luck on future videos.
23:30 oOChainLynxOo Thank you Nerotic
23:30 Nerotic yep
23:31 Sokomine oOChainLynxOo: skip it for now. i'm working on the entire areas file
23:32 Sokomine oOChainLynxOo: if you did build something, er...save it with worldedit for now :-) that might be safest
23:32 oOChainLynxOo Ok
23:32 oOChainLynxOo But I already protected things
23:32 oOChainLynxOo Should I remove them
23:36 Sokomine that protection will disappear i think. or did you build anything new?
23:36 oOChainLynxOo Nothing new
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23:37 shadowzone hey...
23:37 shadowzone <-- youtuber.
23:38 oOChainLynxOo LEl
23:38 oOChainLynxOo Lel*
23:38 oOChainLynxOo Shadowzone's a YouTuber too
23:38 oOChainLynxOo She does Minetest video too
23:38 shadowzone I am?
23:38 shadowzone Oh yes I am.
23:38 oOChainLynxOo videos*
23:39 shadowzone And Red Eclipse and planetside 2 next.
23:39 oOChainLynxOo :D
23:39 Sokomine ok. thanks for your effort :-) but it'll be easier with the automatic conversion
23:39 oOChainLynxOo Ok
23:46 Nerotic Shadowzone has a youtube?
23:46 Nerotic wow
23:48 shadowzone Yep.
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23:51 cities I been there
23:51 cities I think I subscribed
23:53 Nerotic shadowzone, how old are you?
23:53 shadowzone 12 almost 13.
23:53 shadowzone Just got youtube last month or so.
23:54 Nerotic ah, and you say you are a girl? (as i read)
23:54 shadowzone Yep.
23:54 Nerotic you must be in 8th grade then ;P
23:54 cities You're so mature
23:54 cities For your age
23:55 cities At least in irc
23:55 Nerotic ^^^
23:55 shadowzone I am in 8th grade math.
23:55 shadowzone I got held back a few in english so that's 7th grade.
23:55 shadowzone And I am a ace at science so it's 10th grade.
23:55 shadowzone I"m home schooled FYI.
23:56 cities You talk just great with people double your age
23:56 shadowzone Thanks.
23:56 cities I'm not a good judge of that
23:56 cities Eh eh
23:57 cities Didn't expect English to be your worst subject
23:58 cities Considering you use it better than I do
23:58 cities I'm trying swiftkey
23:58 shadowzone Lol.
23:58 shadowzone I've gotten better this year.
23:58 shadowzone I study like crazy.
23:59 cities But like you're not on twitter obsessing over one direction like i would think a lot of powwow

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