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00:00 shadowzone !up midnightsystems.net
00:00 MinetestBot midnightsystems.net:30000 is up (312ms)
00:00 * OldCoder imagines VanessaE plants racing over the landscape and covering everything in a blink of an eye
00:00 shadowzone We might even have to make a lawn mower mod.
00:00 EvergreenTree Jordan4ibanez: you managed to compile ror?
00:00 EvergreenTree HOW?
00:01 EvergreenTree I have been madly hacking away at the source code to try to get it to work
00:01 shadowzone And hope someone can make it work.
00:01 Jordan4ibanez No I used the ppa
00:02 Jordan4ibanez And red eclipse http://youtu.be/gTgf3ccr98Q
00:02 Wuzzy2 Minetest reports this error: “Irrlicht log: Could not load texture:”. But the log does not say which texture. :-(
00:02 VanessaE OldCoder: you got the guts to test? :)
00:02 Wuzzy2 This appeard to me while working on my world/subgame.
00:02 Wuzzy2 Question is: How do I find out of which texture Irrlicht/Minetest complains about?
00:03 EvergreenTree Jordan4ibanez: the ppa doesn't work
00:03 shadowzone What is ror?
00:03 VanessaE OldCoder: Update to the latest git of plantlife, switch to the `deferred-generate` branch therein, and try it out on a new world.  But beware:  [09-28 05:00] <VanessaE> it might create black holes, open tunnels to alternate universes, or cause innocent kittens to suffer!
00:03 shadowzone XD
00:04 EvergreenTree shadowzone: RigsofRods
00:04 VanessaE (translation:  I am not 100% convinced that it's safe to run on a production server yet)
00:04 shadowzone Oh okay.
00:04 EvergreenTree The most uncompilable thing ON LINUX
00:04 EvergreenTree I have nearly gotten it to work before
00:04 OldCoder VanessaE, I'm not running test worlds right now, I'll wait a bit
00:05 Jordan4ibanez It did at one point
00:05 VanessaE awesomess3: why minetest and not physics et al.?  because I do what I understand.  and physics, I only have a superficial understanding of.
00:05 VanessaE OldCoder: singleplayer then
00:05 OldCoder I'm testing an editor on a world by Cylus though; might unleash VanessaE deathplants there
00:05 OldCoder Can't for a couple of days, might need to take a short trip
00:05 OldCoder But will review when I can
00:08 awesomess3 Jordan4ibanez, sweet! I watched the first 2 minutes. Which mods do you use for minetest 0.4.10 on single player? or do you use single player?
00:08 VanessaE OldCoder: ok.  with a little luck, by the time you return, the new code will be in the master branch
00:08 OldCoder we will see
00:08 OldCoder VanessaE, good luck with your speedy deathplants
00:08 OldCoder They sound interesting
00:09 Jordan4ibanez I actually make my own mods right now, I haven't really tried any new mods lately
00:10 shadowzone I've made 4 mods.
00:10 shadowzone None of which work properly, I am only 12 so what can you expect?
00:10 awesomess3 I wish I was 12 again. Make better programming friends.
00:11 shadowzone XD
00:11 shadowzone How old are you?
00:11 awesomess3 27
00:11 shadowzone Oh.
00:11 OldCoder awesomess3, you are permitted friends at your ancient age
00:11 OldCoder So old
00:12 OldCoder Where did the centuries go
00:12 shadowzone XD
00:12 OldCoder Bouncing great great grandchildren on one's knees
00:12 * shadowzone high fives OldCoder
00:12 OldCoder aeons
00:12 OldCoder like grains of sand on the beach
00:12 awesomess3 idk :/   :(  :|  :/  :)
00:12 OldCoder o/
00:12 OldCoder <- He knows ancient
00:12 OldCoder When I was 27 you weren't born :P
00:13 shadowzone You are 50something?
00:13 OldCoder I am a lively spring chicken
00:13 OldCoder There are millenia ahead
00:13 OldCoder millennia *
00:13 shadowzone A 50 yo playing minetest????  (I don't actually know how old you are)
00:13 OldCoder I run it more than I play it
00:14 shadowzone Oh okay.
00:14 OldCoder Actually I like to patch it
00:14 OldCoder But I'd play it more if I had more of a feeling for design
00:14 shadowzone I need to quit drinking pop in 5 seconds flat.
00:14 shadowzone I got the hiccups.
00:14 OldCoder I don't see it as a kids' game
00:14 OldCoder Hm
00:14 OldCoder Something about blowing into a paper bag?
00:14 * shadowzone throws a brick at her brother
00:14 Batman I am 40 and Max is 44
00:14 OldCoder That is not a hiccup cure
00:15 OldCoder Batman, very well
00:15 OldCoder Who is Max?
00:15 shadowzone My dog?
00:15 OldCoder Max is 44
00:15 OldCoder In dog years?
00:15 shadowzone No.
00:15 * OldCoder has lost track
00:15 Batman Max runs GoldRush
00:15 shadowzone It's another player, idk.
00:15 OldCoder Ah
00:15 OldCoder Very well
00:15 OldCoder 40 is a sensible age
00:15 Batman I run MinetestVille now
00:16 OldCoder MineVille snappier
00:16 * shadowzone rages
00:16 Batman I wish I was sensable
00:16 OldCoder You are not?
00:16 shadowzone I hate trying to program and have a conversation with someone.
00:16 * shadowzone is afk
00:16 Batman no
00:16 OldCoder Surely one who dresses like a bat
00:16 Batman MinetestVille
00:16 OldCoder And frightens wrongdoers
00:16 OldCoder Ah
00:16 OldCoder What about it?
00:17 * OldCoder is still wondering about the 44 year old dog
00:17 Batman just saying its not mineville
00:17 OldCoder MinetestVille is fine
00:17 OldCoder It was a random thought
00:17 OldCoder Ancient folk have them
00:17 shadowzone THere is no 44 year old dog.
00:17 Batman ya we do
00:17 shadowzone That I know of.
00:18 OldCoder All right
00:18 Batman is Max a dog?
00:18 OldCoder But, now, is Max a dog? Says woof?
00:18 OldCoder Ninja
00:18 shadowzone No.
00:18 shadowzone idk
00:18 OldCoder <Batman> I am 40 and Max is 44
00:18 OldCoder Batman, this would be your answer
00:18 * shadowzone runs around screaming "I DON'T KNOW WHO MAX THE 44 YEAR OLD DOG IS!!!"
00:19 OldCoder Context. Is Max an arithmetic function, a canine, a sibling, a random MT operator?
00:19 Batman random MT operator
00:19 shadowzone OldCoder, is it something about older people(I mean this in the nicest way possible) that makes me laugh?
00:20 OldCoder shadowzone, it is a question without an answer
00:20 Batman you laughing at me?
00:20 shadowzone Yep.
00:20 OldCoder A song that sings itself
00:20 shadowzone I laugh at almost anything though so...
00:20 OldCoder Do you enjoy laughter?
00:21 shadowzone Yep.
00:21 OldCoder All right
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00:21 Batman supper time
00:22 Batman bye
00:22 shadowzone Enjoy your dinner.
00:22 shadowzone Bye.
00:22 OldCoder Say hello to Max
00:22 OldCoder Whatever he is
00:22 shadowzone XD
00:22 Batman lol
00:22 awesomess3 The 2.4.2 "Animal Modpack" github freeze gives me errors :(
00:22 OldCoder Errors happen
00:23 awesomess3 computers!!! wwwhhy computers wwwhhhhyyy
00:23 OldCoder "Why not", they say
00:24 awesomess3 "Die human! ddiiiiiie. never get what you want, perish with the silly logic that you use to try to apply to us and watch all of your precious needs prespire within the winds of death and helplessness."
00:24 VanessaE awesomess3: what errors do you get?
00:24 shadowzone I don't play minetest very much anymore.
00:24 OldCoder prespire?
00:24 shadowzone I code for it.
00:24 OldCoder shadowzone, good
00:24 * awesomess3 shrugs
00:24 awesomess3 VanessaE, I'll write them down, one moment
00:24 VanessaE awesomess3: use a pastebin
00:24 VanessaE just copy&paste your debug.txt
00:25 * shadowzone runs down the street screaming "I DIDN'T DO IT!!"
00:25 shadowzone I need to go to bed.
00:26 blaise I need to go pick my wife up from work
00:26 OldCoder blaise, she surely will not wish to wait
00:28 * shadowzone throws a brick at windows 8
00:28 awesomess3 VanessaE, http://paste.ubuntu.com/8451658/
00:28 shadowzone Now hand me a seed of linux..
00:28 shadowzone Even though I don't use windows.
00:29 VanessaE awesomess3: 00:27:09: ERROR[main]: mod "mobf" has unsatisfied dependencies:  "adv_spawning"
00:29 VanessaE get this also, https://github.com/sapier/adv_spawning
00:36 awesomess3 VanessaE, omg animals everywhere yay
00:36 VanessaE :D
00:37 awesomess3 OMG a zombie killed me wtf this is suppose to be an animals mod
00:37 * shadowzone high fives VanessaE
00:38 awesomess3 :(
00:38 VanessaE awesomess3: it's called MOBF for a reason :)
00:38 shadowzone Another satisfied customer thanks to VanessaE.
00:38 VanessaE MOB Framework
00:38 * shadowzone high fives awesomess3 for being cooperative
00:38 VanessaE it got renamed long ago from "animals modpack" because it has a lot more than just animals :)
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01:03 benedict42 Hello.
01:07 shadowzone Hi.
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01:08 george I can't seem to get my mods into the game?
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01:13 george I'm in Singleplayer mode and I put the mods into the right dir I see them when I go to opening screen to login, they even say installed but don't know how to access then I think
01:18 george Thanks for all your help today, its time for bed I have surgery on my little toe tomorrow God bless everyone
01:18 shadowzone Okay.
01:18 shadowzone Bye.
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01:32 dm42 What would be the suggested/recommended mob mods to run on a small semi-private server?
01:34 dm42 Or - perhaps better - which should I shy away from?
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01:49 kaeza too late
01:50 kaeza can't people stay for a week after asking a question?? geez
01:50 kaeza jeez or whatever
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02:32 kaeza d'awww, such memories https://cdn.mediacru.sh/o7NbgUrea7DE.png
02:32 kaeza also, HexChat, don't crash on me this time pls
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03:14 zat ...not having finite liquids so sux...
03:24 jordan4ibanez Time for a real books mod
03:25 jordan4ibanez I think people will be very happy after I release this, I just wish I could change the description
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03:35 Miner_48er jordan4ibanez why can't you?
03:36 jordan4ibanez Because I can't find a way to change the stack description while the server is running
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03:38 blaise lol
03:38 blaise totally got minetest running via x11 forwarding
03:38 blaise HAH
03:39 bjrohan What is the best mod for "pictures" you can put on "walls"
03:39 khonkhortisan vnc?
03:39 blaise no, xorg-server and ssh
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03:47 blaise bjrohan: eh, homedecor has some nice ones..
03:47 blaise it's not a wide selection though
03:47 blaise I'm kinda hoping we'll get one of those weird mapping device mods
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03:49 blaise were theres a map of the surrounding area, on what would seem to be a table or tree stump?
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03:51 blaise are we the play meintest ?
04:02 Cylus Deathplants, huh? What are those, VanessaE?
04:03 VanessaE Cylus: a joke by OldCoder  :P
04:03 VanessaE Zeno has been testing that code and it's actually working quite well on his server so far.
04:04 Cylus Oh, that's too bad. About there not being deathplants, I mean. The fact that code is working is great.
04:05 Cylus Maybe *I* should build a deathplant mod ....
04:05 * Cylus begins drawing up plans for a factory that manufactures untimely demises
04:07 VanessaE well actually...
04:07 VanessaE there ARE poisonous mushrooms in plantlife :P
04:07 VanessaE though those are fungi, not plants :P
04:08 Cylus Hmm. Minetest is oddly lacking in the fungi department ... I'll have to look into that mod.
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04:15 blaise Cylus: viri would be better
04:15 blaise polio, small pocks
04:15 blaise measles
04:15 Cylus blaise: Too small.
04:15 VanessaE smallpox*
04:16 doomtron ortonazis everywhere xD
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04:45 jordan4ibanez Oh snap http://i.imgur.com/1oUjqwN.png
04:46 jordan4ibanez That was surprisingly easy
04:46 VanessaE nice
04:46 jordan4ibanez The only problem is, if you resize the window, the text goes away
04:47 jordan4ibanez Ohhh, that's just a bug with formspecs
04:58 bjrohan Are there any car mods that work with the MP streets?
04:59 VanessaE MP streets?
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05:00 bjrohan That's the name of the folder in my mod folder
05:00 bjrohan I believe it is the one you are affiliated with VanessaE
05:01 VanessaE maybe you meant "streets modpack"? :)
05:01 VanessaE in which case, webdesigner97 made such a mod I think
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05:02 VanessaE https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=7459
05:02 VanessaE there it is
05:03 bjrohan VanessaE: yes, streets mod
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07:03 Fritigern Poop... I just installed Penguindad's More Fences mod, but i don;t see any new fences in my inventory. I am certain that all the dependencies and recommends are satisfied. any idea what i can do to get this to work?
07:03 sol_invictus have you enabed it in world.mt?
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07:04 Fritigern Yup! Also set up a singleplayer world where i have only that mod and its depends enabled, but no joy
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07:06 Fritigern I deliberately went with the more fences mod by penguindad instead of the one by sfan5 because it's more recent.
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07:18 Fritigern So, nobody has any wisdom to share?
07:23 Miner_48er Fritigern have you checked the debug for "More Fences loaded!"
07:24 Fritigern Yup!
07:24 Fritigern [moreores] loaded.
07:24 Fritigern More Fences loaded!
07:24 Fritigern [Bamboo] Loaded! etc.....
07:25 Miner_48er tried crafting them?
07:25 Fritigern I'm in creative mode.
07:25 Fritigern But i wil give it a go
07:26 Miner_48er /giveme morefences:cactus_fence
07:27 Fritigern "Cannot give an unknown utem"
07:28 Miner_48er did the crafting work?
07:29 Fritigern Well, i now have a cobble fence, but when i tried it with colored stone bricks nothing happened. So anyway, the receipe exists, but there is no entry in the creative inventory
07:29 Fritigern (hoping i got the terms right)
07:30 Miner_48er check the mod config file
07:32 Fritigern The config file for the mod itself? There is none
07:33 Miner_48er when did you download it?
07:35 Fritigern Today, from Github, got the archive, unzipped it, renamed the folder to more_fences and started up my (already modded) MT
07:36 Fritigern This is where i got it from https://github.com/PenguinDad/morefences
07:36 Miner_48er https://github.com/PenguinDad/mo​refences/blob/master/config.lua
07:36 Fritigern Well, yeah, that is a lua file. I don;t mess with that
07:37 khonkhortisan but it's named config
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07:38 Fritigern Yes, and it's lua. So as far as i know, it is supposed to read a text file from somewhere, passing variables to different parts of the mod.
07:38 khonkhortisan and in almost the same format as minetest.conf
07:39 Fritigern So when you are done acting as if i am stupid, do you see anything in that file that would explain why no new fences show up in my creative inventory?
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07:42 Miner_48er I see this line morefences.creative_inv = 1
07:42 Fritigern And 1 == true == enable, so it should show me fences.
07:42 khonkhortisan ngroups.not_in_creative_inventory = morefences.creative_inv
07:43 khonkhortisan it might be inverted
07:44 Fritigern If that's true, then penguindad needs to be kicked repeatedly.
07:44 Fritigern I'll give it a go
07:44 * khonkhortisan blames the mod writer as well
07:44 H-H-H hey friti have you got a min for a pm on a totally unrelated matter ?
07:44 khonkhortisan and also whoever originally named the not_in_creative_inventory variable
07:44 Fritigern Now i have morefences.creative_inv = 0 , starting MT
07:45 blaise lol
07:45 khonkhortisan booleans should be isAlive and isDead, instead of notDead and notAlive
07:46 Fritigern That var has a ridiculous name to begin with. Call it "exclude_from_creative_inventoy" if you have to have a var that excludes stuff
07:47 Fritigern SON OF A............  Someone find P-daddy and KICK HIM!!!! It is freaking inverted!!!
07:47 khonkhortisan the boolean was inverted before the mod got to it. It was just accidentally un-inverted.
07:48 * khonkhortisan hibernates
07:48 Fritigern That bool should not even exist. Everything, should be show in the CI, unless explicitly told not to.
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09:20 Megaf_ Morning everyone
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10:54 rickmcfarley Good morning from the east coast!
10:54 rickmcfarley of the us
10:59 speak Good morning Megaf & rickmcfarley
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11:34 cities good morning
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11:37 ninnghazad heho
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11:59 MinetestForFun Hi everybody, someone can help me please ? i want change the "areas" mod, for 1100m2 max area and 6 areas per player, is it possible ? (i haven't found my answer in the forum and in the github repository of the mod)
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11:59 * sfan5 looks
11:59 sfan5 hi everyone btw
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12:00 jojoa1997 yello
12:00 MinetestForFun hello :)
12:00 sfan5 MinetestForFun: areas.self_protection_max_size = 1100, 1100, 1100  and  areas.self_protection_max_areas = 6
12:02 jojoa1997 Linux Mint is cool, I just have to finish updating it and also Lubuntu, Xubuntu, and Ubuntu
12:02 jojoa1997 Too much work D:
12:03 sfan5 jojoa1997: do you even rolling-release distribution?
12:03 jojoa1997 Huh?
12:03 jojoa1997 sfan5: it is work for a research paper pretty much
12:03 Brains sfan5++
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12:23 Nekrodes hi everybody ;)
12:23 jp_ *everyone (bis)
12:25 Nekrodes sorry, everyone :)
12:25 jp_ you're french ?
12:25 Nekrodes nope, spanish :)
12:25 Nekrodes but living in France :p
12:26 jp_ noticed your 'ovh.fr' ;)
12:26 Nekrodes ;)
12:26 Nekrodes so I supose that  you're french, jp_ :p
12:26 jp_ yup
12:26 Nekrodes you aren't in the french channel ;p
12:27 jp_ not enough ppl
12:27 Nekrodes I'm alone in the spanish one xD
12:27 Nekrodes but from time to time is good to speak in your mother tongue :)
12:28 ninnghazad even if it is just to yourself...
12:28 Nekrodes less translation lost errors :p
12:28 Nekrodes ninnghazad: I speak all the time with myself :p
12:28 ninnghazad dito, best conversationalist i know
12:28 ninnghazad great opinions
12:28 Nekrodes not all the time
12:28 jp_ I often laught with myself
12:29 jp_ self-joking
12:29 * jp_ goes to take his pills
12:29 Nekrodes I've put a small minetest server to test with some friends and all is good, so I've decided to look more in the forums, irc, etc :)
12:29 ninnghazad well that i never do. i chuckle with myself, at most.
12:29 Nekrodes jp_: xD
12:30 Nekrodes jp_: the blues ones or the red ones? :p
12:30 Nekrodes blue*
12:30 jp_ the pink ones with funny logo onto
12:30 Nekrodes \o/
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12:50 MinetestBot PilzAdam: 09-26 14:02 UTC <DonGnom> Also das mit dem pausieren eines Lua Scripts klappt super falls du das mal selber brauchst sag Bescheid
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13:04 MinetestBot meldrian: 09-23 11:04 UTC <iqualfragile> die videoqualität in deinem rumschreivideo ist unter aller sau, die skalirung ist vollkommen verranzt
13:08 exio4 that looks like a weird german
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13:20 ninnghazad first testvid from wip computer-mod, a bot doing the good 'ol dance-o-random: http://dunkelraum.net/share/dronetest_0.mp4
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13:41 iqual https://forum.minetest.net/search​.php?author_id=11581&amp;sr=posts is a spammer
13:43 * Amaz has reported all those posts.
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13:53 iqual sfan5: ^
13:53 sfan5 hm?
13:53 sfan5 I don't see any posts anymore
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13:55 ninnghazad yeah, removed already it seems
13:55 sfan5 ninnghazad: nice mod btw
13:56 iqual sfan5: ah, seems like somebody took care of it
13:56 iqual btw: what happened to the skyblock survivial server?
13:56 exio4 anyone taking a MOOC?
13:57 sfan5 mooc?
13:57 exio4 masive open online course
13:57 exio4 coursera, udacity, edx...
13:58 ninnghazad lol.  you mean like read wikipedia? ;)
13:58 sfan5 :D
14:00 exio4 ninnghazad, https://www.coursera.org/course/intrologic https://www.coursera.org/course/maththink https://www.coursera.org/course/proglang https://www.coursera.org/course/ml
14:01 exio4 introduction to mathematical thinking and introduction to logic started just today
14:01 exio4 the machine learning started a few days ago, and the programming language courses starts in a few days :P
14:01 exio4 already took proglang, amazing course
14:04 ninnghazad hm, those courses count towards some kind of official title? like you get a bachelor when doing enough of them?
14:05 exio4 nah
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14:06 exio4 you get a "statement of accomplishment"
14:07 exio4 but you don't get a bachelor by doing them, you learn what one bachelor would though
14:07 sfan5 and thats worth nothing?
14:07 ninnghazad still sound interesting. but probly wouldnt pay for it - could do all the courses i want @uni - and the amount of courses i'd wish to do is exactly f'in zero.
14:08 exio4 they are all free, you can get paid "worth it" statements of accomplishment
14:08 exio4 sfan5, didn't know learning was worthless
14:09 ninnghazad anybody got tips on how to yield across a pcall in minetest?
14:10 Fritigern sfan5: They don't change because knowledge is priceless.
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14:12 ninnghazad that is such a void thing to say. the fitting void-counter would be: there's a price for everything!
14:12 Fritigern the price would be time and efort
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14:14 john_minetest hi
14:15 * sfan5 meows at john_minetest
14:15 iqual what happened to the skyblock server?
14:15 sfan5 which skyblock server?
14:16 iqual that one skyblock server that ran the skyblock game
14:16 iqual you even played on it
14:16 ninnghazad with the blocks, and the sky - u know...
14:17 iqual currently building minetest on a singlecore cpu
14:17 iqual fun fun fun
14:17 sfan5 are you sure?
14:17 iqual sfan5: not quite http://meow.minetest.net/skyblock-video.mp4
14:18 sfan5 that wasn't public
14:18 sfan5 I'd be surprised if the world survived me moving to arch
14:18 iqual oh, well, there was a publick one once
14:19 sfan5 I could dig out the ubuntu backup I made, but nah
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14:49 SaltyDog001 Good day all :)  I'm running 3 separate minetest servers from one rental vps. Is there a way to have separate debug.txt files? Currently all 3 servers combine into this. Thanks!
14:50 sfan5 --logfile
14:52 SaltyDog001 add that to each server starting, like --info ?
14:53 sfan5 yes
14:53 SaltyDog001 thank you very much.
14:54 Nekrodes is there a way to change the server setting in CLI? (ie, survival to creative mode)
14:54 Nekrodes while the server is running without running the GUI game, I mean
14:56 sfan5 Nekrodes: CLI? no, but you can do /set -n <setting> <value> but I'm not sure if thats written to minetest.conf
14:56 Nekrodes sfan5: I didn't see it
14:57 Nekrodes I ask this because some times I can't launch the game to do it with the admin rights :(
14:58 Nekrodes I would like to connect to the server and change the game mode (for ex) from the command line
14:58 sfan5 thats not possible
14:58 ninnghazad change config and restart process only way i think
14:58 Nekrodes ninnghazad: indeed
14:59 Nekrodes another stupid question: what mods do you recommend me to run a survival server? :)
15:01 SaltyDog001 I did grant one person creative mode and they had all items. Not sure if that helps.
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15:05 PenguinDad https://github.com/minetes​t/minetest_game/issues/323 poor grid :'(
15:10 exio4 "I’ll give you a specific example of mathematical thinking from my own past involvement in national security research. (Don’t worry, my part was not classified. You can read it without me having to kill you.)"
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15:13 PenguinDad exio4: sounds interesting ;)
15:14 exio4 http://devlinsangle.blogspot.com.ar/201​2/08/what-is-mathematical-thinking.html
15:14 Calinou hi
15:14 Calinou I'm planning on doing my own Ubuntu 14.04 builds
15:14 exio4 ( https://www.coursera.org/course/maththink )
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15:15 Calinou sfan5, Amaz, sorry about yesterday, I misunderstood jojoa1997's question.
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15:19 Calinou the build will have gettext, freetype, leveldb support, will not be run-in-place
15:19 Amaz No problem! :)
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15:19 cities Calinou  I see your name all over the place
15:19 sfan5 Calinou: so basically the same as the daily-builds ppa
15:19 cities you do texture pack converstions
15:20 Calinou sfan5, hmm… so it is probably better to do run-in-place
15:20 Calinou else it doesn't have much point
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15:20 Calinou PPA is meant for system-wide, integrated installation, my builds would be more portable
15:23 Calinou cities, yes, not that updated these days, will work on 0.4.10 anyway
15:23 Calinou (the most developed one is Misa)
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15:23 jojoa1997_ Hi!
15:23 cities I tried Misa
15:24 cities the owner of soartex fanver was annoyed that his pack was converted
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15:24 Calinou some texture may be missing
15:24 Calinou he should have complained there then
15:25 jojoa1997 Calinou: what?
15:25 jojoa1997 Nvm check logs
15:25 Calinou jojoa1997, about your armor slots question
15:25 Calinou I wa
15:25 Calinou I wasn't aware about the space constraint
15:25 cities I like something thats not too hyperreal...I like more of an HD default look
15:26 Calinou then Faithful is for you (but that one is a bit outdated)
15:26 jojoa1997 Ah I see. No wories
15:26 Calinou Evergreen's made a Faithful 32× pack for Minetest too, but outdated too
15:26 cities yeah... I tried each one and so much is missing
15:26 jojoa1997 I will be updating my script to convert textures
15:26 cities but what is done looks great
15:26 jojoa1997 Cities about hovercraft?
15:26 jojoa1997 Over
15:26 cities overcraft?
15:26 cities didn't hear of that :)
15:27 Calinou <jojoa1997> I will be updating my script to convert textures
15:27 Calinou thanks, quite useful
15:27 jojoa1997 Kk
15:27 Calinou ideally it should be as autonomous as possible
15:27 Calinou i.e. it extracts zip for you
15:27 jojoa1997 The only problem is github doesn't have a batch mode by default
15:27 jojoa1997 Gimp
15:27 Calinou GIMP isn't suited for this
15:28 Calinou use Bash + ImageMagick
15:28 jojoa1997 I forgot
15:28 jojoa1997 Animated textures sometime look all bleh except in one part of image
15:28 jojoa1997 Calinou: script is for windows but I think I could make a bash one
15:29 Calinou :(
15:29 jojoa1997 cities: it is a game pack I made. I updated it today and I thought you were talking about it because it uses the faithful pack
15:29 Calinou you should make the inverse, you can run Bash on Windows to an extent using Cygwin
15:29 jojoa1997 Calinou: no
15:29 cities oh! thanks for letting me know
15:29 cities I will make a note to check it out
15:30 jojoa1997 It tries to resemble mc
15:30 cities it must be so hard to do texture packs with all the mods out there
15:30 * jojoa1997 looks at VanessaE's pack
15:31 cities minetest is a lot of fun
15:31 cities ive almost abandoned minecraft
15:31 jojoa1997 Don't abandoned it
15:31 ninnghazad anybody knows if, as minetest uses LuaJIT, it also features CoCo?
15:31 jojoa1997 Play both
15:32 cities I'm stil playing both but hard to fit in the hours of the day :)
15:32 jojoa1997 Yeah
15:33 cities I really wish the inventory/crafting thing worked where you hold shift and click it and it goes into your inventory
15:33 cities I have to click on and drag everything
15:33 jojoa1997 Don't try modding in MT,  it took me 8 hours to do this https://github.com/jojoa1997/overcraft_origins/​commit/5ab0f35f173bc7dacf15a957210bccca951c7b91
15:33 cities is that normal or jsut me
15:33 Calinou my build also bundles a few texture packs
15:33 Calinou ninnghazad, I don't think so
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15:37 jojoa1997 Calinou: Win7 is pro
15:37 jojoa1997 Win8 should go die in a hole
15:39 Amaz
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15:40 Calinou http://images.wikia.com/mlpfanart/images​/4/41/Rainbow_Dash_haters_gonna_hate.gif
15:40 Calinou what does this have to do with what I said anyway?
15:40 Calinou both run Bash and Batch in a similar way
15:40 Calinou (both have crappy command line… :D)
15:41 khonkhortisan and one reads in executable code from environment variables
15:42 ninnghazad i am shocked that you shell bring that up!
15:43 jojoa1997 But why force people to install cgywin
15:43 Calinou “Shellshock” is the name of a Warsow music
15:43 * sfan5 licks Calinou
15:43 khonkhortisan I was about to type the test here
15:43 Calinou jojoa1997, better force people to install Cygwin than force them to install Windows.
15:44 khonkhortisan x11 running in a window is ugly
15:44 jojoa1997 But you need windows to install cgywin
15:44 Calinou sfan5, oh, my build will have NodeBoxEditor, the C++ mapper, minetest_game and Carbone
15:44 jojoa1997 Also the script is for me. I am only sharing it for others
15:44 sfan5 Calinou: do I look like I care?
15:44 DusXMT jojoa1997: But you don't need cygwin when you're on anything but windows
15:44 DusXMT It's a compatibility layer, kinda like winelib
15:45 jojoa1997 Still not gonna change my mind :-P
15:45 cities jojoa1997
15:45 cities can you send me a link
15:45 shadowzone !up shadowzone.duckdns.org
15:45 MinetestBot shadowzone.duckdns.org:30000 is up (575ms)
15:45 shadowzone Hey.
15:45 jojoa1997 https://github.com/jojoa1997/overcraft_origins/​commit/5ab0f35f173bc7dacf15a957210bccca951c7b91
15:46 jojoa1997 cities: you can go back from there
15:48 Calinou https://forum.minetest.net/vi​ewtopic.php?f=42&amp;t=10239
15:48 Calinou please test ASAP
15:48 Calinou hi shadowzone :)
15:49 shadowzone Hi.
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15:56 realtinymonster why must you tell the remote machine to be quiet when you want to access it?
15:56 realtinymonster it is kinda odd
15:56 PenguinDad realtinymonster: who is you?
15:56 realtinymonster PenguinDad: I am myself
15:56 realtinymonster no, not really
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15:57 realtinymonster to answer your question, I am the failed internet identity of zsoltisawesome
15:57 realtinymonster ^ PenguinDad
15:58 Calinou thus, realtinypony
15:58 Amaz XD
15:58 PenguinDad :D
15:58 realtinymonster LOL
15:59 PenguinDad <3 Soundcloud's new design
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16:11 cities shadowzone
16:11 cities I am watching Lets Play Minetest #6
16:11 shadowzone Nice.
16:11 shadowzone I'm running a server now.
16:11 cities is that you talking
16:11 shadowzone Yes it is.
16:11 cities so you are really 12
16:12 cities I can't tell if its a joke or not
16:12 cities pardon me
16:12 reactor "I can't explain myself because I'm not myself you see"
16:12 Calinou we were all 12 at a time
16:13 cities this sounds like lyrics
16:14 Amaz Spam: https://forum.minetest.net/vi​ewtopic.php?p=156128#p156128
16:14 Calinou thanks for reporting
16:14 Amaz More spam: https://forum.minetest.net/vi​ewtopic.php?p=156124#p156124
16:15 cities well congrats on your new server
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16:17 sfan5 o/ jordan4ibanez
16:18 jin_xi Amaz: you know the report button?
16:18 jordan4ibanez \o sfan5
16:18 * Amaz used it.
16:18 * sfan5 meows
16:18 Amaz But, faster response on IRC.
16:18 jin_xi then why spam dead links
16:18 Amaz Fast response :P
16:18 jin_xi Please be patient, says so right in the topic :)
16:19 jordan4ibanez sfan5: did you see the minetest-changing book mod I'm making?
16:19 sfan5 no
16:19 Amaz Yeah, but if you get a faster response by posting it here, then why shouldn't you post it here?
16:19 sfan5 pls2link
16:20 jin_xi jordan4ibanez: its nice but please make a nodebox for a shelf with one, two tree or no books in it and replace it to match when you use books
16:20 Amaz Anyway, that's to do with questions asked here, not with the report button ;)
16:21 jordan4ibanez Books! http://i.imgur.com/qXnGfj7.png
16:21 jordan4ibanez jin_xi: Oh I already have that planned, but in a much more, interesting way
16:21 sfan5 not enough test
16:21 Calinou https://forum.minetest.net/v​iewtopic.php?f=9&amp;t=10192
16:21 jin_xi cool
16:21 Calinou cool
16:22 Calinou I'm fine with spam reports on IRC, Amaz
16:22 * sfan5 meows at Calinou
16:22 Amaz :)
16:22 Calinou what does it mean when you meow at someone or lick someone?
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16:23 sfan5 Calinou: it means that I'm a cat
16:23 cities I don't think you're a cat
16:23 SmugLeaf is there anything like a compass or map?
16:23 * sfan5 curls up to cities's lap
16:23 sfan5 cities: see?
16:23 SmugLeaf someway to place a waypoint for me to get back too?
16:23 cities No I don't see
16:23 jin_xi sfan5 do you also like to carry around one particular toy and meow at it like crazy
16:23 cities I have a feeling a talking cat is make believe
16:23 zat !up digitalis.ga
16:23 MinetestBot digitalis.ga:30000 is up (2250ms)
16:24 jin_xi because my cats do
16:24 DusXMT SmugLeaf: The simple solution: press F5, swite down coords, return at will
16:24 jin_xi i believe its some sort of cult
16:24 zat !up digitalis.ga
16:24 MinetestBot digitalis.ga:30000 is up (609ms)
16:24 DusXMT *write
16:24 realtinymonster cities: its a condition sfan5 has developed over time
16:24 sfan5 jin_xi: yes
16:25 jin_xi i knew it!
16:25 * jin_xi pets sfan5
16:25 * sfan5 purrs at jin_xi
16:25 realtinymonster it has me a bit concerned about sfan5's health
16:25 DusXMT Are you a furry, sfan5?
16:25 sfan5 DusXMT: no, just a cat
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16:25 cities I used to tell people I was abducted by aliens but that doesn't mean I was
16:26 jin_xi on the internet everyone just assumes you're human
16:26 realtinymonster exactly
16:27 cities I find it hard to believe that a cat could IRC no offence to the talking cat community
16:27 * sfan5 curls up to cities's lap
16:28 realtinymonster maybe he uses speech recognition software?
16:28 * zat nyas at sfan5
16:28 realtinymonster to type for him
16:28 * Amaz has a cat who plays the piano.
16:29 * sfan5 nyans at zat
16:29 realtinymonster I have a cat that sits on my chests
16:29 realtinymonster :P
16:29 realtinymonster plsnorage
16:29 sfan5 #minetest - Cat discussions, more off-topic and a small bit of Minetest
16:30 realtinymonster exactly
16:30 Hobodium cities, as a technically inclined talking cat, I find it hard to believe that you giant monkeys can manage to use IRC. https://cdn.mediacru.sh/WoVv33f8Q9ju.jpe
16:30 sfan5 !cat
16:30 MinetestBot http://i.imgur.com/3l1REu3.jpg
16:31 shadowzone !up shadowzone.duckdns.org
16:31 MinetestBot shadowzone.duckdns.org:30000 is up (548ms)
16:31 zat !up digitalis.ga
16:31 MinetestBot digitalis.ga:30000 is up (259ms)
16:31 realtinymonster !up harpbeta.tk
16:31 MinetestBot harpbeta.tk:30000 seems to be down
16:31 realtinymonster ugh
16:31 realtinymonster somebody broke it again
16:32 shadowzone XD.
16:32 shadowzone I don't know why I'm laughing.
16:32 realtinymonster most likely one of my cousins found the glowing power button and felt compelled to press it
16:33 shadowzone XD
16:33 realtinymonster its happened before
16:33 shadowzone Doesn't everyone when they see a big red button feel like pressing it?
16:33 realtinymonster while I was playing with my friends too
16:34 realtinymonster :|
16:34 realtinymonster shadowzone: true dat
16:36 realtinymonster it normally is a #moontest server, but it was in minimal testing mode at the moment, so I am not worried about corruption
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16:40 realtinymonster Calinou: I have a MLP-related question... What do you think our scale is to the ponies?
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16:42 rubenwardy Hi all!
16:42 john_minetest Hey rubenwardy
16:42 realtinymonster HI!
16:42 shadowzone Hi rubenwardy.
16:44 jp_ the forum need a captcha on registering...
16:45 john_minetest I wonder why there is no pony player model yet
16:45 shadowzone !help
16:45 MinetestBot https://github.com/sfan5/minetestb​ot-modules/blob/master/COMMANDS.md
16:45 PenguinDad john_minetest: there are a few for mc iirc
16:46 john_minetest I know.
16:46 realtinymonster its funny that you mention that john_minetest, I was working on that a while ago
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16:46 realtinymonster back when I was still zsoltisawesome
16:46 shadowzone !up shadowzone.duckdns.org 30000
16:46 MinetestBot shadowzone.duckdns.org:30000 is up (544ms)
16:46 john_minetest Nick changes are confusing.
16:46 realtinymonster yep
16:47 shadowzone I know they are.
16:47 realtinymonster identity changes are more confusing
16:47 cities costume changes are the worst
16:47 TheCephalopod I am a cephalopod now.
16:47 PenguinDad !seen cookies
16:47 MinetestBot PenguinDad: Sorry, I haven't seen cookies around.
16:47 realtinymonster what the hell is a cephalopod?
16:47 PenguinDad No cookies!? :(
16:47 TheCephalopod !seen boredom
16:47 MinetestBot TheCephalopod: Sorry, I haven't seen boredom around.
16:47 TheCephalopod :D
16:48 john_minetest A cephalopod is a group of really interesting animals. Like squids and stuff.
16:48 realtinymonster !seen Derpy
16:48 MinetestBot realtinymonster: Sorry, I haven't seen derpy around.
16:48 realtinymonster hehe
16:48 realtinymonster john_minetest: oh
16:48 realtinymonster cool
16:49 cities im cracking up
16:50 shadowzone !seen myself
16:50 MinetestBot shadowzone: Sorry, I haven't seen myself around.
16:50 cities man those squids in Mario bros were such bastards
16:50 shadowzone O_O
16:50 realtinymonster I know right!
16:51 john_minetest !seen john_minetest
16:51 MinetestBot john_minetest: john_minetest was last seen at 2014-09-28 09:44:37 UTC on #minetest
16:51 john_minetest !seen anybody
16:51 MinetestBot john_minetest: Sorry, I haven't seen anybody around.
16:51 cities Nintendo invented AI in the 80's
16:51 cities its called Squids
16:51 PenguinDad !seen singularity
16:51 MinetestBot PenguinDad: Sorry, I haven't seen singularity around.
16:51 cities !seen asquare
16:51 MinetestBot cities: Sorry, I haven't seen asquare around.
16:51 realtinymonster !seen your_mom
16:51 MinetestBot realtinymonster: Sorry, I haven't seen your_mom around.
16:52 realtinymonster heh
16:52 cities a square a round hardy har
16:52 john_minetest !seen Wally
16:52 MinetestBot john_minetest: Sorry, I haven't seen wally around.
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16:52 john_minetest Where is Wally?
16:53 PenguinDad Waldo only looks human D:
16:53 realtinymonster cities: haha I get in now
16:54 cities haha
16:54 cities it was the lamest thing posted in here to date
16:54 * Calinou played the tutorial world of Wuzzy
16:55 Calinou 12 gold ingots, 9 diamonds
16:55 cities whats wuzzy
16:56 cities fuzzy wuzzy wuz a bear
16:56 PenguinDad Calinou: Do you learn how to use the sneak glitch in that tutorial?
16:58 rubenwardy Why did I even use Ubuntu to begin with?
16:58 Calinou I like the mud, there should be more liquids in the default game
16:58 Calinou acid, fast/medium/slow mud
16:58 Calinou PenguinDad, I don't think so
16:58 Calinou rubenwardy, hi
16:59 PenguinDad rubenwardy: because were you tired at that time?
16:59 Calinou made Ubuntu build of Minetest + Minetestmapper C++ + NodeBoxEditor
16:59 rubenwardy Yeah. Kubuntu is awesome.
16:59 rubenwardy Yay!
16:59 Calinou https://forum.minetest.net/vi​ewtopic.php?f=42&amp;t=10239
16:59 Calinou please test
16:59 Calinou I hope it works, but it will only work on the version I use
17:01 sfan5 Calinou: you don't need the -dev packages to run a binary
17:02 rubenwardy ./bin/minetest: error while loading shared libraries: libluajit-5.1.so.2: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
17:02 rubenwardy That wasn't covered by the post
17:02 sfan5 Calinou: build the stuff in a different folder, leaving all the cmake stuff there only makes your file bigger
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17:02 Calinou O_o just saw my post doesn't install LuaJIT
17:02 sfan5 ./minetest: /usr/lib/libcurl.so.4: version `CURL_OPENSSL_3' not found (required by ./minetest)
17:03 Calinou if I remove CMake stuff then I can also remove source code
17:03 sfan5 correct
17:03 rubenwardy NBE works
17:03 sfan5 or even better use make package
17:04 sfan5 * Serpentoj slow-clap.s
17:04 sfan5 oops
17:04 sfan5 wrong channel
17:05 Calinou updated dependency command
17:05 sfan5 you still don't need the -dev packages
17:06 Calinou yes, but I need to spend some time to find the non-dev equivalents
17:06 cities mountain dew
17:06 Calinou low-priority
17:06 sfan5 Calinou: just remove the -dev off each and you got like 75% right
17:06 exio4 75% isn't 100%
17:07 sfan5 yeah
17:07 sfan5 but finding out the rest is trivial when using a magical key called Tab key
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17:08 realtinymonster lol
17:08 Calinou openssl libcurl is only in -dev
17:08 Calinou so will stay dev
17:08 Calinou (I'm compiling using that one)
17:08 cities I have the font really small and the window transparent to get away with IRC
17:08 sfan5 all of my wat
17:08 cities and realtinymonster looks like realitymonster
17:09 realtinymonster lol
17:09 realtinymonster that is amusing
17:09 sfan5 Calinou: use libcurl3 (source: http://packages.ubuntu.com/t​rusty/libcurl4-openssl-dev)
17:09 cities probably not to anyone else
17:09 rickmcfarley I thought it was funny too
17:10 realtinymonster somebody would like to be a tree
17:10 realtinymonster s/somebody/somepony
17:10 Taoki Hi. What was the function to check if a node is solid, or liquid, and so on? IIRC there was a function like that... or you could check group:solid or something
17:10 Calinou found non-dev packages
17:11 sfan5 Calinou: also: libcurl has a generic interface, it probably doesn't matter whether user uses -openssl, -nss or -gnutls
17:11 sfan5 Taoki: check the drawtype
17:11 Calinou and/or walkability
17:11 Calinou thanks
17:11 Taoki Thanks
17:13 Taoki sfan5: Can minetest.find_node_near search by drawtype?
17:13 sfan5 Taoki: IIRC no
17:13 Taoki Ah. What's the easiest way then?
17:13 Taoki And how could I make find_node_near look for all solid nodes
17:14 Calinou done the archive, will be faster to download
17:14 Calinou went from 17 to 12 MB
17:14 jin_xi look for all nodes and check for walkable or whatever its called in the nodedefs
17:16 Taoki Heh. For water there is a group that would work for this, or so the example page says :/
17:16 Taoki minetest.find_node_near({x=0, y=0, z=0}, 4, {"group:water"})
17:17 SmugLeaf can someone with a couple mods and a texture pack installed dump there directory structure for me?
17:17 SmugLeaf the wiki fucking sucks
17:18 Taoki jin_xi: How do I make minetest.find_node_near() look for all nodes? Do I just let the string empty?
17:18 Calinou SmugLeaf, what opearting system do you use?
17:19 SmugLeaf linux
17:19 Calinou how did you install the game? did you compile it yourself or did you use a package?
17:19 realtinymonster linux ought to be more complicated
17:19 Calinou if it's a package, you put mods in ~/.minetest/mods and textures in ~/.minetest/textures
17:19 SmugLeaf http://wiki.minetest.net/Installing_Texture_Packs
17:19 SmugLeaf just found this
17:19 Calinou if it's compiled, it depends if it's run-in-place or not
17:20 SmugLeaf god this needs to be less burried
17:20 realtinymonster be back soon
17:21 SmugLeaf Calinou: server question, are texture packs local only?
17:23 Calinou if you are a client: the texture pack is used on servers you play on, overriding any textures in the process (purely client-side)
17:23 jin_xi Taoki: https://github.com/minetest/minetest/bl​ob/f3eefeb7948b8b8d1a98f2f89baa39abc807​f72d/src/script/lua_api/l_env.cpp#L510
17:23 Calinou if you are a server: the pack named “server” will be used on clients that don't enforce a pack themselves
17:25 SmugLeaf so I named a pack server, and it looks like my client is downloading it
17:25 SmugLeaf but it's going at exactly 25KiB/s
17:25 SmugLeaf what the heck
17:25 Calinou yes, by default the downloads are done from server, not from the Web, slow
17:25 Calinou (hey, some games don't support server download at all)
17:26 Calinou so the solution is to set up a Web server, set it up to use it as remote_media server
17:26 Calinou not easy, time-consuming
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17:26 Calinou but you can download at several MB/s that way
17:26 Calinou (provided your connection can handle it)
17:27 PenguinDad Calinou: setting up a remote media server isn't that hard
17:28 sol_invictus anyone knows a mod with chicken mobs?
17:28 Calinou PenguinDad, I don't know of any streamlined guide, that could be put on wiki
17:28 Calinou the ideal one would feature instructions for Windows too and be as short as possible
17:29 Calinou as no one wants to read dozens of pages for that stuff, especially when it doesn't work
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17:38 Calinou rubenwardy, try downloading again
17:39 Calinou minified, fixed dependency list
17:45 cities bailbonds!
17:50 * Jordach meows
17:50 * PenguinDad wtfs at a song
17:52 * sfan5 licks PenguinDad
17:54 Taoki Anyone know what the moon's light level is? Like, what's the light level of a node lit only by moon at midnight
17:55 Calinou 4 or so
17:55 PenguinDad sfan5: but it was a wtf in a good way
17:55 Taoki Thanks
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18:08 zat !up digitalis.ga
18:08 MinetestBot digitalis.ga:30000 is up (987ms)
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18:09 jordan4ibanez I'm trying to learn 4 finger typing to go faster and in fact i'm typing this sentence with this style
18:10 jordan4ibanez It's very frustrating lol
18:10 Calinou Taoki, use the get_light_level method to be sure
18:10 cities 4 finger typig?
18:11 Calinou 1 hoof typing
18:12 jordan4ibanez with your left index finger on the f key and your right index finger on the j key
18:13 SylvieLorxu That's a really weird way to put your hands
18:13 PenguinDad I am learning two wing typing :P
18:14 SylvieLorxu https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/c​ommons/2/25/KB_United_States_Dvorak.svg
18:14 cities what other way is there
18:14 jordan4ibanez qwerty for me
18:14 SylvieLorxu I place my left index finder on i and my right index finger on h
18:14 jordan4ibanez Hnnnnnnng
18:14 SylvieLorxu Err
18:14 SylvieLorxu u,h
18:14 khonkhortisan I eventually want to type left-handed, with both, or right-handed, but without learning a new set of keys between these methods.
18:15 cities whats the correct way
18:15 khonkhortisan one-handed typing is useful in games that use a mouse but don't have voice chat
18:16 cities ohhh yeah
18:16 cities is there an actual method
18:16 khonkhortisan oh, and I was wrong about something.
18:17 khonkhortisan I used to say that qwerty was bad because it's designed to prevent jams, and electronic keyboards don't jam.
18:17 khonkhortisan But electronic keyboards do jam, because most don't have full n-key rollover.
18:17 cities I heard that khonkhortisan
18:17 khonkhortisan So qwerty still has a place.
18:17 cities one handed typing is so annoying
18:17 SylvieLorxu There is left-handed and right-handed dvorak, if you don't mind placing your hand in the middle of the keyboard that could work for one-handed typing
18:17 sfan5 Jordach: how about typing with 2 fingers?
18:17 khonkhortisan ^ that's what I don't want to do, switch between three different dvoraks
18:17 sfan5 nono
18:18 sfan5 jordan4ibanez: ^
18:18 SylvieLorxu https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dvorak_S​implified_Keyboard#One-handed_versions
18:18 cities its how I have to type when my daughter sits with me and watches me play minecraft and minetest
18:18 SylvieLorxu I only use standard dvorak
18:18 khonkhortisan I used programmer dvorak for a short time.
18:18 SylvieLorxu Any two-handed layout sucks for single-handed typing
18:19 cities how do you go from querty to dvorak
18:19 khonkhortisan I created my own layout, where when a specific key was held down, the whole keyboard mirrored. Unfortunately, some programs refused to accept certain keys (like backspace) moving.
18:19 khonkhortisan cities: what operating system?
18:19 cities no I meant in your brain
18:19 rubenwardy meow.minetest.net is a cool subdomain :P
18:19 jordan4ibanez i already do that sfan5, i just want to break 100 wpm
18:19 SylvieLorxu Programmer dvorak seems so hard to learn
18:19 sfan5 jordan4ibanez: pff.. who cares about some number?
18:19 khonkhortisan oh, I never learned touch typing on qwerty. I learned dvorak and touch typing at the same time, and didn't go back to qwerty. Some people actually do keep up with both.
18:20 cities if I went to my boss and said I want a dvorak keyboard for work
18:20 SylvieLorxu cities: Practice dvorak for a bit. I can switch between the two (I need a minute or two to adjust, though)
18:20 khonkhortisan I've broken 100wpm, but my average is below there.
18:20 cities they'd look at me
18:20 SylvieLorxu You don't need another keyboard
18:20 cities like I had 3 heads
18:20 SylvieLorxu Just switch the keyboard layout in your OS
18:20 khonkhortisan Right, dvorak is a software change.
18:20 jordan4ibanez I do, it could greatly ease use of the computer
18:20 cities SylvieLorxu  but then i'd be hitting one key and it would put another
18:21 SylvieLorxu Hmm, I wonder how much wpm I can reach
18:21 khonkhortisan cities: now if you went to your boss, and demanded a keyboard with full n-key rollover (and possibly with mechanical switches) they might respect you for quality.
18:21 SylvieLorxu cities: Which is why you practice the layout :P
18:21 sfan5 jordan4ibanez: I've always typed with 2 fingers, over time I got faster and it's fast enough for me
18:21 cities lol... khonkhortisan Ill have to google that
18:21 cities I don't know what tha tis
18:22 khonkhortisan On a standard keyboard, you're not guaranteed that multiple keypresses will work.
18:22 jordan4ibanez I want to be able to type at 300 to 400 wpm
18:22 jordan4ibanez MOAR SPEED
18:22 khonkhortisan For example, three at a time works with ctrl-alt-delete, but not with left shift+right shift+"the quick brown fox jumps over the lazy dog"
18:22 sfan5 jordan4ibanez: ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
18:22 sfan5 the quick brown fox jumps over the lazy doge
18:22 sfan5 !doge
18:22 MinetestBot http://i.imgur.com/3pnQciA.jpg
18:22 cities I nevr learned the right way to type
18:23 cities and now I do typing for a livng
18:23 khonkhortisan If you're the kind of person who uses unusual keyboard layouts or program shortcuts, that sort of thing matters - because then a key's meaning is arbitrary, and so are the supported combinations.
18:23 cities in school we had typing classes and I would copy/paste instead of typing it :(
18:24 * sfan5 meows at cities
18:24 cities they say put your fingers on the home keys
18:24 cities you're supposed to use like all of them
18:24 sfan5 cities: you had typing classes?
18:25 cities I type with my index fingers
18:25 cities yeah in junior high
18:25 khonkhortisan I have two keyboards plugged in, and on one of them I can't type WAQ all at the same time (move diagonally forward-left while turning left)
18:26 cities I want a keyboard with just WASD
18:26 cities other keys irrelevant
18:26 khonkhortisan You have that, it's the arrow keys. Destroy the rest of the buttons.
18:26 cities brb hammer
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18:27 khonkhortisan you could even take the keyboard apart, and saw through specific places, to get a mini-keyboard with circuit guts hanging out of it
18:27 cities as long as its aesthetically pleasing
18:28 sfan5 cities: get a numpad only thing, remap the keys using some fancy way and put tape with the new key char on them
18:29 khonkhortisan I taped qwerty+dvorak paper squares onto my keys when I was learning it
18:29 cities ohhh
18:29 cities thats not a bad idea
18:29 khonkhortisan no, it probably was, because I was learning touch typing.
18:29 zlsa khonkhortisan, dammit, left shift + right shift + any alphanumeric doesn't work at all...
18:29 cities see this is why I am on freenode
18:30 khonkhortisan zlsa: So your keyboard doesn't even have a minimum of three keypresses
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18:30 cities If I press too many keys on my keyboard it makes a horrid keeping sound
18:30 zlsa it's a junky keyboard...
18:30 cities err beeping*
18:30 zlsa * laptop keyboard
18:30 khonkhortisan um, use a keyboard tester to get rid of the beeps.
18:31 jordan4ibanez !doge
18:31 MinetestBot http://i.imgur.com/l0YSsre.jpg
18:31 khonkhortisan I get "equickronfoxjupovereavog"
18:31 cities http://learn.dvorak.nl
18:32 sfan5 !cat
18:32 MinetestBot http://i.imgur.com/7jtdgLn.jpg
18:32 khonkhortisan and "thqkbwnxjmpsvthzyd"
18:32 khonkhortisan between a logitech and micro innovations keyborad
18:33 cities im gnona order me some dvorak stickers
18:33 khonkhortisan I /almost/ did that.
18:33 * sfan5 orders cities a city
18:34 cities I'm gonna order qwerty stickers and stick them on in dvorak order. Trick the man
18:34 khonkhortisan haha who sells qwerty stickers?
18:34 cities lol//
18:34 khonkhortisan maybe colemak stickers are cheaper than dvorak stickers
18:36 khonkhortisan I had a blank (yes, no labels whatsoever) keyboard around somewhere.
18:39 Calinou here we have Bepo: http://bepo.fr/wiki/Accueil
18:39 Calinou but I use AZERTY anyway
18:40 * khonkhortisan is happy seeing alt gr
18:40 Calinou <SylvieLorxu> Hmm, I wonder how much wpm I can reach
18:40 Calinou my best 112 wpm, my average 98 wpm
18:41 Jordach tl;dr i'd advertise Minetest for the LAN party, but i want to avoid bad press
18:42 sfan5 tl;dr you won't
18:43 Calinou tl;dr I didn't read this
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18:50 cities I can't imagine having a blank keyboard
18:51 khonkhortisan imagine the space key, but smaller.
18:52 khonkhortisan looks like this, but not as cool http://www.daskeyboard.com/daskeyboard-4-ultimate/
18:53 cities ill try
18:53 cities but theres no guarentees
18:54 cities you've got me googling one handed typing now
18:54 cities I'm interested
18:54 jin_xi chuck moore does/did that
18:54 cities mostly for minecraft and minetest
18:55 jin_xi 4 keys, uses what he called key chords
18:56 khonkhortisan one handed typing is mostly designed for people who only have one hand - there's not much ambidextrous one-handed typing out there
18:56 cities well
18:57 khonkhortisan for, say, if you were a left-handed mouser and right-handed joysticker
18:57 cities its not a good reason I have
18:57 cities but my kid sits with my while I play games
18:57 cities my arm goes around her shoulder and uses the mouse
18:57 cities around her*
18:57 jin_xi https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chorded_keyboard
18:57 khonkhortisan eh, reason enough. One hand is taken, and you still want to type.
18:57 cities yes
18:58 cities so instead of moving my arm every time from behind her
18:58 cities to type
18:58 cities I just type one handed but it sucks
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19:00 cities im looking at chorded now
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19:01 cities human beings will go to great lengths to input text into a system
19:02 cities autocomplete like on my phone would be better
19:03 khonkhortisan Not having used one, I don't trust a chorded keyboard. There are enough problems with non-standard keyboard layouts. Moving keys like escape and backspace would make it even worse.
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19:05 iio7 How do I set up several admins? I tried a comma separated list in minetest.conf, but that doesn't work.
19:07 PenguinDad cities: autocomplete :D http://xkcd.com/1427/
19:08 cities haha
19:08 cities you have my sword my bow and my
19:08 cities DAD
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19:10 PenguinDad They may take our lives, but they'll never take our money.
19:12 Taoki Does anyone if nodes buried between solid nodes always have a light level of 0? So for example, if I place a wood node in the air, then surround it in stone nodes (even diagonally), is that wood node guaranteed to have light 0?
19:12 Taoki Curious since I'm thinking of using 0 light to detect buried nodes
19:17 PilzAdam Taoki, solid nodes always have a light level of 0
19:18 Taoki ok. That should detect nodes not at the surface then
19:18 Taoki Or well, with no side uncovered
19:19 PilzAdam no
19:19 Taoki ah
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19:23 jojoa1997 yo
19:24 PenguinDad no
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19:27 jojoa1997 yes
19:34 zat http://uppix.com/f-screensho​t_312055429b4050017b3c9.jpg
19:34 zat http://uppix.com/f-screensho​t_326965429b4070017b3ca.jpg
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19:39 Calinou made English version of Map generator on the wiki from the French version :D
19:44 zat rewat
19:53 jojoa1997 Calinou link
19:53 Calinou wiki.minetest.net/Map_generator
19:54 Calinou http://wiki.minetest.net/Map_generator
19:59 sfan5 !wiki Map Generator
19:59 MinetestBot "The map generator is the Minetest component that generates the map." - http://wiki.minetest.net/Map_Generator
19:59 sfan5 !wiki Map Generator/fr
19:59 MinetestBot No such page.
19:59 sfan5 aw
20:00 PenguinDad !wiki Main Page
20:00 sfan5 !wiki Map generator/fr
20:00 MinetestBot "Minetest is a sandbox construction game, created by Perttu Ahlola (alias "celeron55") in year 2010, inspired by Infiniminer, Minecraft and similar games." - http://wiki.minetest.net/Main_Page
20:00 MinetestBot "Le générateur de carte est le composant de Minetest qui génère la carte." - http://wiki.minetest.net/Map_generator%2Ffr
20:00 shadowzone !shadowzone.duckdns.org
20:00 shadowzone nvm
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20:13 Calinou I read “Minetest is a sandbox construction game, created by Markus Persson”
20:15 cities wut
20:15 cities where
20:15 exio4 he played too much minecraft
20:15 cities does notch just make everything in the universe
20:15 exio4 he is the minecraft god
20:16 cities he seems bizarre in his goodbye interview
20:16 cities or statement
20:16 cities or whatever it was
20:16 cities letter
20:16 Jordach he's broken from demanding people and the kids constantly hounding him
20:16 cities thats kind of sad
20:16 shadowzone Yeah.
20:16 cities what do the kids want
20:17 zat http://uppix.com/f-screensho​t_327245429be270017b3ea.jpg
20:17 Calinou stone armor, horses, dirt tools…
20:17 Jordach to be fair, under the laser focused spotlight of interest, you wouldn't last long
20:17 john_minetest zat: Looks cool
20:18 shadowzone kids want it to be free.
20:18 shadowzone Like this kid.
20:19 zat uh yes its nice
20:19 cities well minetest is free
20:19 Calinou people buy games, yet they hate paying
20:19 Calinou people complain about game business models, yet they buy them
20:20 zat emos say life sux but they live it lol
20:20 exio4 I don't hate paying for good software
20:20 cities do you think notch lost his mind
20:20 Jordach he most certainly did
20:21 Jordach he's most likely to change internet name and go elsewhere
20:21 Calinou like he already does
20:21 Calinou all the “famous” people and developers do that
20:22 khonkhortisan Then I predict, that sometime in the future, I shall no longer be known as Khonkhortisan.
20:22 Hobodium I don't think he lost his mind, and he certainly hasn't changed his name since he still streams himself working on his projects occasionally.
20:22 jojoa1997 khonkhortisan you will never be a famous developer!
20:23 khonkhortisan it's great how this conversation made name changes imply being famous
20:23 Jordach i could potentially have a rediculous burst of YT popularity for doing animated renders
20:24 Hobodium And you should ride that wave into money, and remember to kick some back to your good friend Hobo
20:24 Jordach http://no.pe
20:25 Jordach why bother extorting kids and viewers when you could much easier teach your skills for free
20:25 Hobodium You don't have to extort people on youtube though, unless you are saying advertising is extortion
20:25 cities I guess I don't understand
20:26 jojoa1997 Jordach teach me
20:26 jojoa1997 I can give you 1 minute a day
20:26 * sfan5 meows at jojoa1997
20:26 Jordach Hobodium, considering the tracking and bullshit wholesale selling of info
20:26 Jordach i'd think so
20:27 khonkhortisan I know the squid nope, haven't seen tf2.
20:27 * jojoa1997 brings sfan5 back into this channel and pets him
20:27 Hobodium You get that for using youtube anyways, even if you actually think they straight up sell your info.
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20:28 jojoa1997 Jordach Why must you always have super hires photos that make the forums load slow and youtube link please
20:28 Jordach jojoa1997, because i'm a ,01cunt
20:28 Calinou http://www.briangrinstead.com/files/astar/
20:28 Calinou pathfinding
20:28 jojoa1997 Jordach -.-
20:29 jojoa1997 Jordach youtubelink please
20:29 Jordach [21:24:19] <Jordach> http://no.pe
20:30 khonkhortisan I got stuck doing a level in another game, while that nope was looping
20:30 cities leonard cohen doesn't sing I just realized
20:34 Calinou Jordach, how I blend: https://cdn.mediacru.sh/y-0-P2105qdz.png
20:34 Calinou Ubuntu theme, increased font size
20:34 Calinou looks incredibly better
20:34 Calinou easier to read
20:34 Calinou also using French
20:34 Jordach ew
20:34 Jordach orthio
20:34 Jordach you nuts
20:34 Calinou despite the translation not even being used by default, it's surprisingly good
20:35 Calinou that's the 3D block render blend, was created ~2 years ago, still opens in 2.71
20:35 Calinou I thought backwards compatibility was worse
20:35 shadowzone Lol.
20:35 shadowzone You scared him away.
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20:38 Calinou bye, night
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20:38 shadowzone Night.
20:39 khonkhortisan blue camera?
20:39 Calinou themes can change selection/camera colour
20:40 john_minetest http://imgur.com/gallery/QpYAWoj
20:40 * shadowzone burst out laughing
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21:03 cities anything interesting going on
21:04 meldrian joined #minetest
21:05 john_minetest http://imgur.com/gallery/5ZbZOXN
21:06 cities im stuck at work
21:06 cities until like 8:30 pm
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21:06 meldrian Sorry that minetestbot is delivering messages from minetest-de here to me. Can't tell why
21:07 john_minetest http://imgur.com/gallery/VQq8l6t
21:08 george__ I dowloaded a mineyest game what folder do I install it in linux?
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21:08 Calinou george__, ~/.minetest/games
21:08 Calinou create if needed
21:08 Calinou if your build is run-in-place, then you put games in (the folder Minetest is in)/games
21:09 jojoa1997 john_minetest lol
21:09 george__ that was my next question thanks
21:09 cities hmm I did /whois calinou
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21:24 Megaf [22:05:09] <john_minetest> http://imgur.com/gallery/5ZbZOXN
21:24 Megaf LMAO
21:26 exio4 hahah
21:27 george__ whats the address to post error messages in here?
21:29 rickmcfarley1 http://pastebin.com/
21:29 exio4 dpaste
21:29 rickmcfarley1 according to minetest.net/irc
21:29 exio4 pastebin sucks
21:29 george__ ty rick
21:29 exio4 http://dpaste.com/
21:29 rickmcfarley1 i use pastee, i was just quoting the site
21:32 * Megaf uses paste.debian.net
21:32 john_minetest I am using http://pastie.org
21:33 george__ here us the address http://pastebin.com/szfpLPY5
21:34 cities I use http://elmers.com
21:34 rickmcfarley1 do you need mesecons george_?
21:35 rickmcfarley1 and is a script trying to reference xpanes?
21:35 george__ I don't kow rick?
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21:36 rickmcfarley1 sorry if im late to the party, what are you trying to do?
21:37 george__ thik I put mods in wrog did o this puter let me see if I can get it fixed later
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21:49 George I'm confuzed my os is majaro and arch distro. I have a root dir with ~/mietest/games , but I also have ~// usr/shared/ minetest/games/. so which dir do I use?
21:51 jojoa1997 How do mods and stuff work on Linux distributions?
21:53 George I ment tu use ~/.minetest/games, forgot the .
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21:55 George my n dosent work all the time sorry
21:58 rickmcfarley I use fedora and installed from source to my home directory. my mods go in /home/rick/.minetest/mods
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22:07 Taoki https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.ph​p?f=11&amp;t=9240&amp;p=156177#p156177 New feature in Creatures mod. Mobs can now take objective nodes, and walk to or avoid various nodes based on light level even. Check it out if anyone's interested :)
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22:13 RealBadAngel hi Taoki
22:13 Taoki hi :)
22:14 RealBadAngel have you seen progress on meshes?
22:15 Taoki no. What's the progress?
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22:17 RealBadAngel well, theyre here :)
22:17 RealBadAngel http://i.imgur.com/eKgfuns.png
22:18 Taoki Nice! You can now use meshes on nodes, not just entities?
22:19 RealBadAngel yes
22:19 john_minetest That's weird...
22:19 john_minetest Woah... So many possibilities...
22:19 Taoki That's wonderful. Thank you... that's the thing I was most upset about not being able to do myself when I added initial model support
22:19 Taoki Indeed :)
22:19 Taoki Is it upstream yet?
22:19 RealBadAngel not yet
22:19 RealBadAngel still polishing the code
22:20 Taoki ok. Can't wait ^^
22:21 RealBadAngel but it will definitely go in before next stable
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22:21 RealBadAngel hi proller, http://i.imgur.com/eKgfuns.png
22:24 * Brains checks in on the quarry...  Nifty thing if you aren't in a hurry.
22:36 VanessaE ^^^^^ that image is nodes with mesh drawtype, not entities.
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22:43 proller RealBadAngel, not very cubic ;)
22:51 RealBadAngel proller, with that you can have any shape, be it round or cubic
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23:31 george Hi everybody is there a wat to get my game into daylight all the time?
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23:32 john_minetest Yes, you can stop the time.
23:32 george ok how?
23:32 Miner_48er /set time_speed 0
23:32 george ok ty
23:33 RealBadAngel then set time to daytime, /time 12000
23:34 Miner_48er also add the line time_speed = 0 to minetest.conf
23:38 george Thank you Minwe
23:39 george ok now thats that out of the way I would like a better inventory mod , where could I fine 1 please?
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23:42 george do I have to deit anything to get my mods working?
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23:57 Fritigern Miner_48er: So what is the default value for time_speed ?
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