Time Nick Message 00:02 realtinymonster HI 00:03 realtinymonster I am attempting to install Linux on my machine using only floppies 00:03 realtinymonster but I can't find any images 00:03 tanath why floppies? 00:04 realtinymonster because I have no CDs and idk where my USB went 00:04 tanath try isohybrid to convert iso? 00:05 tanath what os is there now? 00:05 realtinymonster Windows Vista 00:05 parabyte floppys 00:05 parabyte are you being serious? 00:05 realtinymonster yeah 00:05 parabyte no one used floppies in like 20 years :O 00:05 realtinymonster dead serius 00:05 realtinymonster lol, Ikc 00:05 realtinymonster *idc 00:05 parabyte well typically ubuntu installation image is approx 1 gig 00:05 parabyte so just do the maths 00:06 parabyte it will make you very unhappy 00:06 parabyte do a chroot install onto the drive out the machine 00:06 tanath have a spare hdd? 00:06 realtinymonster i'm not gonna install fucking ubuntu... 00:06 parabyte please do not swear 00:06 blaise lol 00:06 tanath and/or another machine? 00:06 realtinymonster nope 00:06 VanessaE realtinymonster: maybe LOAF is still maintained? 00:06 tanath no other comp? not even laptop? 00:06 realtinymonster I have the hdds but not the machine 00:07 VanessaE or Debian root/boot floppies? 00:07 parabyte crazy monkey 00:07 blaise if you don't have a usb flash drive or usb drive, and no cd's... then you're pretty much sol 00:07 realtinymonster yeah, I guess 00:07 tanath realtinymonster, maybe you can put linux iso on hdd, and refind on floppy, boot refind, and use that to boot iso 00:07 parabyte rude little troll :| 00:08 blaise if you really have to, you can use floppy images.. just make sure they include your net drivers 00:08 VanessaE realtinymonster: http://loaf.acesoft.org/ 00:08 VanessaE maybe this still works :) 00:08 blaise or you'll have to sneakernet the files over via floppy 00:09 tanath or just install refind to the hdd 00:09 VanessaE from there you MIGHT be able to repartition your HD and install a real linux distro 00:09 VanessaE but probably not 00:09 tanath create a partition to put iso on, put iso there. install refind to hdd, boot refind, boot to iso 00:09 VanessaE my G*d that IS OLD 00:10 VanessaE CURRENT VERSION (LOAF) Version [1.2] - Released (12/14/98) 00:10 VanessaE wow 00:10 tanath then you can wipe other partition to install the linux to 00:10 realtinymonster lol 00:10 realtinymonster well 00:12 VanessaE yeah... realtinymonster I'm afraid you're pretty much fucked if you need a modern distro and you're fresh out of USB drives and CDs 00:12 tanath am i invisible? 00:12 VanessaE tanath: we see you :) 00:12 tanath refind should work 00:12 realtinymonster I don't need a modern distro 00:12 VanessaE but floppy-based is insanity :P 00:12 tanath no need for floppies, necessarily 00:13 VanessaE refind is just a boot manager though 00:13 tanath except perhaps if you need gparted 00:13 tanath VanessaE, a very good one 00:13 tanath it automatically scans for bootable things 00:13 tanath and i think you can point it at things in menu, iirc 00:13 VanessaE what, loopback-mount a CD image and boot that? 00:13 tanath yeah 00:13 VanessaE huh 00:13 VanessaE I didn't think about THAT 00:14 realtinymonster how do I go about doing that? 00:14 tanath might need to put gparted on floppy to edit partitions though 00:14 VanessaE http://www.rodsbooks.com/refind/ 00:15 tanath actually, rufus might work with floppies if you want to get a bootable image on floppy 00:16 tanath throw refind or gparted iso on there, or some other tiny distro 00:18 tanath realtinymonster, do what you got to do to get your linux iso on the drive in such a form that rufus can boot it. might take some finagling 00:18 tanath boot from refind to iso and install from there 00:19 tanath VanessaE, refind handles mounting & booting iso images btw. 00:19 VanessaE impressive 00:19 tanath it also handles/fixes a lot of uefi boot issues 00:20 VanessaE now he just has to figure out how to boot refind ;) 00:20 realtinymonster exactly 00:20 tanath meh. can probably just use rufus to put refind on floppy or just dd it 00:20 SaltyDog001 evenin' all. Anyone have issues with their server not showing up (that did show up before)? 00:20 VanessaE dd it... in windows. 00:20 VanessaE :P 00:20 tanath VanessaE, cygwin 00:20 tanath and there's a win version too actually 00:21 VanessaE does win still come with that old rawrite.exe util? 00:21 realtinymonster I don't think refind will work on my computer... 00:21 tanath maybe. vista still had progman laying around i think :P 00:21 tanath is it a computer? 00:21 realtinymonster yeah 00:21 realtinymonster not EFI 00:21 tanath :P 00:22 realtinymonster afaik 00:22 blaise meh 00:22 tanath refind is great for uefi. doesn't mean it's only for uefi 00:22 blaise you can still change shell= in win.ini 00:22 blaise maybe even set it to minetest.exe 00:22 realtinymonster "You will not find rEFInd useful on older BIOS-based computers." 00:22 blaise have a minetest console 00:22 blaise XD 00:22 tanath erm 00:23 realtinymonster blaise: lol 00:23 tanath realtinymonster, it boots bios just fine.. 00:23 VanessaE heh 00:23 realtinymonster mkay... 00:23 realtinymonster what do I do? 00:24 * VanessaE looks at the box of 5.25" disks on her desk... 00:24 VanessaE I wonder how many of those still work after all these years. 00:24 realtinymonster lol 00:24 tanath this might be better in ##linux or something 00:24 blaise what's the problem again? 00:24 blaise I'm confused 00:25 VanessaE blaise: he wants to install linux but he has no boot media or any way to create any, except via a floppy disk 00:25 realtinymonster tanath: I think you are right... 00:25 VanessaE tanath's idea is best for this I think 00:25 blaise oh yeah 00:25 tanath realtinymonster, er, there's a similar tool that refind replaces. you might need the old one possible 00:25 tanath lemme see if i can find it 00:25 blaise is this machine too old to boot via usb? 00:25 VanessaE he has no thumbdrives. 00:26 blaise yeah, but they're cheap.. 00:26 realtinymonster that I can find, that is 00:26 tanath realtinymonster, well that would be the easiest solution, most likely. find a usb stick :P 00:26 realtinymonster blaise: can't be bothered to walk to the nearest tech store 00:27 blaise I got my wife one to put stuff for school on that's shaped like an owl.. 16GB $4.99 00:27 realtinymonster :O 00:27 blaise it's not great, but it gets the job done.. 00:27 blaise found it at walmart 00:28 realtinymonster ah, screw walmart 00:28 blaise I feel the same way.. 00:28 realtinymonster I guess with vista I stick 00:28 blaise but some of their clearance sales are hard to ignore 00:28 realtinymonster true 00:29 tanath you're gonna stick with vista 'cause you haven't learned how to work with bootloaders yet? 00:29 tanath and can't find/buy/borrow a usb? 00:30 realtinymonster maybe I should stick to trying to find my Windows 7 OEM disk 00:31 VanessaE jeez 00:31 blaise lol 00:31 realtinymonster what? 00:31 VanessaE can you even find your MOUSE at this point? ;) 00:31 blaise my windows 7 and vista, and 8 media are all on usb flash drives 00:31 realtinymonster lol 00:32 blaise I have an old Windows NT 4.0 install that's on cd 00:32 realtinymonster my mother has one of those too 00:32 tanath who needs a mouse? :P 00:33 tanath my keyboards have scroll wheels, i'm good 00:33 blaise modern computers don't even have optical media anymore 00:33 tanath modern computers are retarded 00:33 realtinymonster lol 00:33 realtinymonster +1 00:34 blaise I installed slackware via floppy in 1992 00:34 tanath when usb security is as bad as it is there's no excuse to not have optical media 00:34 blaise it took the better part of 16 hours 00:34 tanath especially which how much data some can store 00:34 tanath *with 00:34 tanath there's 1tb discs 00:34 blaise pfft 00:34 realtinymonster wut 00:35 tanath heard about 'em years ago. should be available by now 00:35 realtinymonster lol 00:35 tanath point is it can be done 00:35 blaise tanath: if you have a blueray or dvd device that supports 16x layers, sure.. 00:35 realtinymonster hmm 00:35 tanath :P 00:35 blaise most only support dual layer media though 00:35 tanath was not bluray 00:36 tanath thing is, you plug a usb stick into the wrong computer and it can write malicious firmware to it 00:36 realtinymonster I found this: http://archive.debian.org/debian/dists/etch/main/installer-i386/current/images/floppy/ 00:36 blaise tanath: in windows maybe 00:36 tanath you use an optical disc that's not rw and you know it's safe 00:36 tanath blaise, that's the kind of thing that bypasses OS 00:37 blaise if your bios gets modified and still manages to mantain the same checksum then wow. 00:37 tanath pc firmware can be made malitious too (bios/uefi) 00:38 blaise most machines never boot again after stuff like that 00:38 tanath first, why would it need to? 00:38 tanath just needs a valid one, not same one 00:38 tanath else you'd never be able to update 00:38 blaise then switch from md5sum to sha1 00:39 tanath second, most common hashes are weak or very weak. crc is pathetic. md5 is pathetic. sha1 & 2 are weak.. 00:39 blaise oh, okay.. lol 00:39 blaise my bad 00:39 blaise sha256 is no good neither then? 00:39 tanath sha1 and previous are useless for security 00:40 blaise tanath: do you use credit cards or atm cards? 00:40 tanath it's better than sha1, but not especially secure 00:40 tanath no 00:40 blaise then you have no life and have nothing.. 00:40 tanath i have my bank card, and i hate how insecure it is, but i do what i can 00:40 blaise good day 00:41 tanath don't use it at ATMs though 00:41 blaise you use your bank card (at your bank), poof.. you're broadcasting EVERYTHING about your banking over a highly insecure ATM network 00:41 tanath ABM != ATM 00:41 blaise even if you go in to the bank and speak to a teller and the magnetic media never gets swiped.. 00:42 blaise what network do you think the teller is using? 00:42 tanath and it's more secure than most things crc/md5/sha1 are used for 00:42 blaise it's a global network.. it's not specific to any single banking entity 00:42 tanath ah, PoS devices? yeah i use those. i do have chip at least which helps a bit 00:43 blaise pfft, a sim card 00:43 blaise it doesn't help anything 00:43 blaise it's still interfacing with the same network that's been around since biblical times electronicly speaking. 00:44 tanath anyway, the point was usb is crap for security, so optical discs still have an important role, and common hashes are broken/weak 00:44 blaise if you don't have security on your cpu then you're fscked no matter what 00:44 blaise doesn't matter how you put data on the machine 00:44 tanath so the fact that they're prematurely getting rid of then is dumb 00:45 tanath pc you mean? 00:45 tanath and yeah, i run linux which helps a lot :P 00:45 tanath i do pretty well. i'm more security-conscious than most 00:46 blaise linux won't help anything if your cpu doesn't have the capability of preventing scaled execution and escalation 00:46 tanath you talking about DEP and such? i think that's pretty much standard for a while now 00:47 blaise tanath: that's not helping anyone using old hardware, eh? 00:47 blaise the best security is an AIR wall 00:47 tanath even my old pentium 4 had it 00:47 tanath blaise, usb defeats that actually 00:47 blaise don't put sensitive data on machines that can be potentially compromised. 00:48 realtinymonster yo guys 00:48 blaise an air wall is to prevent any data on any media from ever going in or out of a machine. 00:48 tanath that's silly advise. we're not military. generally security is a matter of tradeoffs. vast majority of devices can be compromised 00:48 realtinymonster should I try this? http://archive.debian.org/debian/dists/etch/main/installer-i386/current/images/floppy/ 00:48 tanath floppy installer? sounds good, but do you have to put all of it on floppies? 00:48 blaise realtinymonster: sure, why not 00:48 tanath or can it chainload to iso like i was suggesting? 00:49 blaise most floppy installers have net drivers to just get started 00:49 realtinymonster well 00:49 realtinymonster I have no clue what to do then 00:49 tanath problem is floppy only holds small amount of data 00:50 realtinymonster yeah 00:50 realtinymonster i've got about 20 empty ones, for all thats worth 00:50 tanath so it's only good for tiny distro or chain-loading unless you're willing to spend a lot of time & floppies installing os 00:50 tanath better to spend that time learning how to not need to 00:50 realtinymonster well 00:50 tanath so under 40mb then? :P 00:51 realtinymonster ugh, why so small 00:52 tanath honestly, just go to a friend/neighbour or something and borrow one 00:52 tanath usb 00:55 realtinymonster whelll 00:55 tanath realtinymonster, https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Multiboot_USB_drive#Using_GRUB_and_loopback_devices 00:55 tanath you can add iso to grub, boot that 00:56 realtinymonster trust me, I would 00:56 tanath maybe, put floppy in, partition it, put grub on it, and iso on hdd 00:56 realtinymonster hmm 00:57 realtinymonster where on the hdd? 00:57 tanath root of new partition? go to disk management, convert to dynamic, shrink existing partition, add new one, put iso there 00:58 tanath point grub at it, even if you have to put it on floppy 00:58 tanath once booted to iso you can use it to install linux to windows partition 01:00 tanath grub boot floppy image http://cstein.kings.cam.ac.uk/~chris/bootgrub.gz 01:01 realtinymonster http://blueflops.sourceforge.net/ ? 01:02 tanath oh, here's your rawwrite for writing floppy images http://wiki.osdev.org/Rawwrite 01:04 tanath realtinymonster, there's an idea. could use that to install grub to hdd, then point that grub at iso 01:04 realtinymonster lol 01:04 realtinymonster thats fine and dandy 01:04 realtinymonster but I have no iso 01:04 tanath why haven't you downloaded it yet? 01:05 realtinymonster its currently downloading, 10 hours remaining 01:05 tanath maxing connection? try torrent? 01:05 realtinymonster hmm 01:05 tanath what os? 01:05 realtinymonster Windows Vista, as I said before 01:05 tanath no, downloading 01:05 realtinymonster oh 01:06 realtinymonster Peppermint OS, per friends recommendation 01:06 realtinymonster its got a torrent, but I didn't think of using it' 01:06 tanath ubuntu-based? :-/ 01:07 realtinymonster whats wrong with ubuntu? 01:07 tanath many poor design decisions 01:07 realtinymonster at least its not Arch... 01:07 tanath and asshole operators in irc 01:07 realtinymonster yeah, true 01:07 tanath arch is excellent. i'd recommend manjaro which is arch-based 01:08 realtinymonster is it slim and fast? 01:08 tanath arch is not for most people though. not even most linux users 01:08 tanath yeah. certainly less bloated than ubuntu 01:08 tanath peppermint is a bit lighter though being based on lubuntu 01:09 realtinymonster yeah 01:09 tanath arch and arch-based oses are much better about dependencies, so easier to slim down 01:09 realtinymonster hmm 01:09 tanath arch by default comes with very little and you install what you want 01:09 tanath not even X 01:09 tanath but manjaro by default is pretty close to how i had my arch install anyway 01:10 realtinymonster ah, yeah, I heard about that 01:10 tanath xfce & such 01:10 realtinymonster ooo 01:10 realtinymonster yay for xfce 01:10 tanath there's openbox & other versions though 01:10 tanath yeah, i like xfce but it's dying. development is insanely slow and i'm not sure it'll make the transition to wayland, so i'm keeping an eye out for a replacement 01:11 tanath i think i have a few years to find one though 01:11 realtinymonster I'll get the openbox, I like that quite a bit from experience via madbox 01:12 tanath you should ask for help if needed in ##linux btw until you get your os installed 01:12 tanath if manjaro, then further help in #manjaro 01:14 realtinymonster well crap 01:15 realtinymonster the net died on that machine cause its too far away from the router 01:15 tanath i thought you only had one? 01:15 realtinymonster kindle? 01:15 tanath using wifi? 01:15 realtinymonster yeha 01:15 tanath can't get them closer or attach cable? 01:15 realtinymonster nope and nope 01:16 tanath benefit of torrent though is can resume 01:16 realtinymonster yeah, but I haven't even started it yet :P 01:16 tanath have another wifi router you can use as repeater? 01:17 tanath turn off dhcp, and configure with identical wifi settings 01:18 realtinymonster mkay its back on now 01:18 realtinymonster getting utorrent 01:18 tanath ew 01:18 tanath use qbittorrent 01:18 tanath utorrent keeps pushing ads & crap 01:18 realtinymonster yeah, but i'm only gonna use it once :P 01:20 realtinymonster lol, down speed: 48 kb/s 01:29 MinetestBot 02[Git] 04TriBlade9 -> 03minetest/minetest: Added configurable selectionbox width. Min width = 1, Max = 5 1318bfa1c http://git.io/jQNyUQ (152014-09-19T03:28:46+02:00) 01:37 OldCoder Taoki, hello 01:37 Taoki hi 01:37 TriBlade9 Heya Taoki 01:37 Taoki Although I need to go to bed now 01:37 TriBlade9 G'night :) 01:37 OldCoder o/ 02:24 blaise jordan4ibanez: wb 02:24 jordan4ibanez Thank you 02:25 blaise would anyone happen to know if anybody set up an alternate url till the primary gets fixed for servers.minetest.net/announce 02:27 blaise I can establish a connection but then it get's terminated on the host side 02:43 VanessaE blaise: it's some kind of busted DDoS protection that's the problem 02:43 VanessaE it's gonna be fixed soon 02:44 VanessaE it's not actually a problem with the master list but some DDoS guard appliance between its server and the net. 02:44 VanessaE (or so I understand it) 03:10 tanath reboot it? 03:16 VanessaE I don't know the exact plan to deal with it 03:43 tanath well realtinymonster is gone now, but you might be interested in this http://www.sevenforums.com/tutorials/70559-boot-iso-without-burning-disk.html 03:44 tanath was waiting for him to come back but he didn't 03:54 VanessaE tanath: huh. I'll be damned. 03:55 tanath didn't see the free download link on official site, but softpedia has it 03:56 blaise so, doors is in default? 03:56 VanessaE blaise: in minetest_game 03:57 VanessaE the "usual" game yeah 03:57 H-H-H hey how can i send a message between 2 nodes:| ? 03:57 VanessaE H-H-H: a message between two nodes? explain please 03:57 blaise VanessaE: can we operate doors with switches? 03:57 VanessaE blaise: yes. mesecons can open doors. 03:58 H-H-H so one node could ask anothers state for example 03:58 blaise where does the mesecon need to connect to the door? 1 below? any connecting block? 03:58 VanessaE H-H-H: sure, you can query the state of any other node in the map, easily. 03:58 H-H-H and can those states be user defined? 03:59 VanessaE H-H-H: minetest.get_node(pos) will tell you about a given node in the map, and then use the minetest.registered_nodes table to get that node's complete definition, if you need it. 03:59 VanessaE H-H-H: you can put "metadata" into a node, yes 04:00 VanessaE which is fairly free-form, user-defined. 04:00 H-H-H ok that sounds like what i need :) thanks time to hit google :) 04:00 VanessaE blaise: I think it just needs to end next to the door. 04:00 VanessaE H-H-H: wait. 04:00 VanessaE H-H-H: https://github.com/minetest/minetest/blob/master/doc/lua_api.txt 04:01 VanessaE see line 912 04:02 blaise hrmm 04:03 H-H-H thanks :) 04:04 blaise I can't get it to work 04:04 blaise lol 04:16 VanessaE keep trying :) 04:16 VanessaE a simple pressure plate next to a door, for example 04:16 blaise I can run mesecon directly to the door 04:16 VanessaE step on that and the door opens 04:17 blaise but if I put a switch right next to the door it doesn't signal the door 04:17 VanessaE you can use mese blocks as conductors also 04:17 blaise ah 04:17 VanessaE you can put the mese block as a pad under the door I think 04:17 blaise can mobs not activate pressure plates? 04:17 VanessaE or certainly, next to the door 04:17 VanessaE I don't know 04:40 bjrohan VanessaE: for your HDX texture what are the normalmaps? 04:41 VanessaE bjrohan: they're used to add "depth" to the surfaces 04:41 VanessaE you don't need them if you don't have a good gpU 04:41 VanessaE GPU* 04:41 bjrohan VanessaE: I have a decent system, but the gpu is an Intel 04:41 VanessaE not good enough probably :) 04:42 bjrohan VanessaE: Okay. The 512 and 256 packs, when I move, has a lot of black "sparkles", what should I change on the settings to remedy this? 04:42 VanessaE screenshot please? 04:43 bjrohan in a second 04:44 bjrohan VanessaE: do you have a screenshot site you receommend to upload it to? 04:45 VanessaE tinypic maybe 04:46 kaeza mediacru.sh or imgur.com 04:46 kaeza srsly, tinypick sucks 04:46 kaeza -k 04:46 bjrohan VanessaE: http://tinypic.com/r/2myrj43/8 04:46 kaeza also, hi 04:47 VanessaE greets, kaeza 04:47 VanessaE bjrohan: turn on texture filtering 04:48 VanessaE Aniso + mipmap, maybe also bi- or tri-linear 04:48 VanessaE in your Settings menu 04:48 VanessaE see if your GPU can handle those 04:48 VanessaE get rid of the normalmaps if you need to 04:49 bjrohan VanessaE: that image is using tri-linear from that column on the latest dev build. I am not seeing where texture filtering is located 04:51 VanessaE bjrohan: turn on Anisotropic filtering and Mip Map also 04:51 VanessaE it's in the same tab, right above trilinear 04:52 bjrohan VanessaE: Turning on Aniso and mip map with turning off normal map helped a lot 04:52 VanessaE ok good 04:52 VanessaE turn the normals back on also 04:52 VanessaE see if your GPU can handle all of it together 04:53 bjrohan VanessaE: is the texture filtering one item that has a checkbox? If so that is what I am not seeing. In the middle column I see the anistropic, MipMap, bi and tri, that is all 04:53 VanessaE also, 04:53 VanessaE nonono 04:53 VanessaE turn on all three of those 04:53 VanessaE they work together :) 04:54 VanessaE Aniso + mipmap + (either bi or tri)linear 04:54 bjrohan VanessaE: They are all on in that column and I turned normal maps as well, it looks good :-) 04:54 bjrohan I turned off bi, left try on, I don't see a diff 04:54 VanessaE also, where it says "generate normalmaps" on the right, ignore that. don't turn it on. that's a different kind of normalmaps than the ones supplied from my repo. 04:54 VanessaE the difference is subtle 04:55 VanessaE so ok, you're all good now :) 04:55 bjrohan Ah ok 04:55 bjrohan I am, thank you. 04:55 bjrohan VanessaE: One last ? for tonight, what do you recommend for flooring, to use for a carpet, etc? 04:56 VanessaE it depends on what you're building 04:56 bjrohan Not sure yet :-/ 04:56 bjrohan Starting with a typical house 04:56 VanessaE in my house in my creative serrver, for example, I have wood for the lower level floor, but the upper level has white wool 04:57 VanessaE (for my real house model that is. my brick house near the spawn is all wood, bricks, and ceiling paint where needed) 04:58 bjrohan Okay, you use "regular" items 04:58 bjrohan not a modpack of flooring 04:59 VanessaE well 04:59 VanessaE oh well yeah 04:59 bjrohan That's what I had done in Minecraft$ wandering if there was another awesome mod for minetest, there are so many cool ones 04:59 VanessaE nothing special as far as a flooring-specific mod 04:59 VanessaE Homedecor has a few items that are meant specifically for the floor, like welcome mats and rugs, but naw 04:59 VanessaE there are many good mods though, and I know there's at least one that adds some decent carpets 05:09 VanessaE bbl, bedtime. 05:55 blaise whelp, I managed to ride the carts 05:55 blaise it's working 05:55 blaise I had to set up a bunch of anchors to keep it stable 07:00 TriBlade9 Drawtype "firelike" is almost ready 07:01 TriBlade9 Just testing and cleaning up 07:13 VanessaE TriBlade9: how about a "rooflike" drawtype also ;) 07:14 TriBlade9 What's a rooflike drawtype? 07:14 TriBlade9 VanessaE 07:14 TriBlade9 Only draws on ceilings? I can do that. 07:14 VanessaE always draws at a 45 degree angle, like rails do when going down a slope, can fill "inside" and "outside" corners 07:14 TriBlade9 IDK how to do the filling part :/ 07:15 TriBlade9 Though it would probably be quite possible 07:15 VanessaE eh, don't worry about it then 07:15 TriBlade9 Truly, firetype was 99% messing with stuff until I figured out what each number that I needed did x] 07:15 TriBlade9 Now I'm just trying to disable the selectionbox for it >_> 07:15 TriBlade9 They should've made it easier to do so 07:16 TriBlade9 Ooooh, a bug :D 07:16 TriBlade9 A fire with no nodes surrounding it will not display, except for the selection box 07:19 TriBlade9 ... 07:19 TriBlade9 Orite, just set 'pointable = false' in the lua file x] 07:27 TriBlade9 And VanessaE, have you even gone to bed yet? O-o 07:29 VanessaE I tried. and failed. 07:30 TriBlade9 Good lord 07:31 TriBlade9 I managed to take a three hour nap at 11:00 AM O-o 07:31 TriBlade9 Insomniac? 07:32 VanessaE yeah, happens sometimes 07:32 TriBlade9 Sorry to hear that. :C 07:32 TriBlade9 I have the opposite problem, I can fall asleep anywhere, (except in a van on a bumpy road when I know we're lost) 07:36 VanessaE I look at my husband and think, "DOESN'T HE HAVE THOUGHTS?!" 07:37 VanessaE he falls asleep so easily. 07:37 TriBlade9 Heh, sometimes thinking can be tiring :P 07:37 TriBlade9 But women can think and talk forever 07:37 TriBlade9 (Generalization, not always 100% true) 07:38 TriBlade9 Hi asie 07:39 asie hi TriBlade9 07:39 TriBlade9 What're you up to today? 07:47 TriBlade9 Alright, commiting and PRing firelike drawtype :D 07:47 TriBlade9 Wait 07:47 TriBlade9 VanessaE, asie, should the flame that displays on the bottom of nodes be facing in a random direction or just in one direction? 07:48 VanessaE good question. it should probably respect facedir actually 07:48 VanessaE if not that, then always face the same direction 07:48 TriBlade9 How on earth would one do that? 07:48 TriBlade9 Also, facedir is pointless when generated automatically 07:49 VanessaE some mods produce fire manually too 07:49 TriBlade9 Though it would make sense when placing fire (adds a ton of complexity though) 07:49 VanessaE e.g. fake fire mod 07:49 VanessaE and remember, modders will abuse what they're given 07:49 TriBlade9 Lemme check for facedir code 07:49 TriBlade9 IK 07:49 VanessaE :) 07:49 asie alwyas 07:49 asie IK+ 07:49 TriBlade9 I already have some strange ideas for this x] 07:49 VanessaE so you may as well try to direct that abuse in a constructive manner ;) 07:50 TriBlade9 Meh, I'm not gonna bother with facedir, I don't see any other drawtype using it in a way I understand :P 07:50 TriBlade9 So all face the same direction then? 07:50 VanessaE asie: Chop 'n Drop. IK+ indeed :P 07:50 VanessaE yeah 07:51 TriBlade9 Alright 07:51 TriBlade9 We are go for commit then 07:51 VanessaE T-minus 10.. 07:51 VanessaE 9... 07:51 VanessaE :) 07:52 TriBlade9 Timeout to github as usual 07:52 TriBlade9 It usually takes like 4 tries to get it to push 07:52 VanessaE ok, I'm gonna head off to bed, second try. 07:52 VanessaE night :) 07:53 jp good night ;) 07:53 jp good luck 07:54 TriBlade9 g'night VanessaE 07:54 TriBlade9 Hope it works this time 07:59 TriBlade9 Yay :D https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/1658 08:05 TBC_x TriBlade9: I think the fire should be drawn even in mid-air 08:06 sol_invictus where is inventory formspec defined? 08:07 TBC_x it is better than randomly catching fire 08:09 whmark how can I compile _only_ the server? that way I won't need to install X, irrlicht, etc. 08:11 TriBlade9 TBC_x Alright, post it on the issue 08:12 TriBlade9 whmark, add -DBUILD_CLIENT=0 to your cmake options when you type cmake 08:13 whmark TriBlade9: thank you, I missed that in the readme 08:19 TBC_x posted, I hope i'm not completely wrong about it 08:21 TriBlade9 TBC_x, You're not totally wrong, I just can't think of an easy or fast way for a modder to make sure his fire isn't in the air 08:21 TriBlade9 (Because more than one fire can act on the same node, even if it is the only node it touches) 08:22 TriBlade9 But you're probably right. I'll wait for one or two more people to say so before I change it. (Not hard, just uncomment a couple lines) 08:27 TriBlade9 I love this branch, I'm just running around burning things like a pyromaniac for "testing" x] 08:34 TriBlade9 Hi iqual 08:34 friti Wowsers, that fire spreads FAST 08:35 friti I think it would be cool if it were to leave scorched earth behind, which would gradually disappear after a certain amount of time 08:36 TriBlade9 friti, That can be handles by a mod 08:37 TriBlade9 But yeah, fire node + forest == no forest :D 08:38 * friti is going to play in the village. 08:39 TriBlade9 >:D 08:40 friti Yup, fire spead + ttl should be tweaked a bit further, i guess 08:42 iqualfragile hello TriBlade9 08:42 TriBlade9 Hi again iqual ;) 08:44 iqualfragile with a bit of luck the mmdb will be usable with the new forum accounts in a few secs 08:45 TriBlade9 Yay iqual :D 08:45 iqualfragile #secs depends on xyz's free time mainly 09:06 rubenwardy Hi all! 09:07 JamesTait Yo ho ho, 'n' shiver me timbers! 'appy Friday 'n' 'appy Talk Like a Pirate Day! Yaaarrr! :-D 09:17 Megaf Morning 09:17 Megaf !server Megaf 09:17 MinetestBot Megaf: Megaf Server v4.0 | minetest.megaf.info:30003 | Clients: 0/9, 0/0 | Version: 0.4.10-Megaf / MegafXplore | Ping: 970ms 09:17 Megaf heh, it was just a bug in minetestserver 09:18 Megaf fixed https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/1471 09:18 Megaf Hi Transfusion 09:18 Megaf ops 09:18 Megaf Hi TriBlade9 09:18 TriBlade9 Hi Megaf 09:20 TriBlade9 What's up? 09:33 rubenwardy hello TriBlade9 :P 09:35 TriBlade9 Hello rubenwardy 09:35 TriBlade9 Your git skills amaze me x] 09:36 rubenwardy Did it work? 09:37 TriBlade9 Haven't tried yet 09:37 TriBlade9 Still working on adding two crossing center flames 09:38 rubenwardy Ah, ok. I am not actually sure if it works with merges. 09:38 TriBlade9 Well, it's quite similar to what RBA was telling me to do on another commit 09:38 TriBlade9 So hopefully it will work 09:38 TriBlade9 Do you like the fire? 09:39 Megaf git is a powerful open source software, one just have to know how to use it 09:39 TriBlade9 ^ 09:40 Megaf TriBlade9: I havent tested the fire here, but from your screenshots I can say that they look really nice 09:40 TriBlade9 Megaf, Yay :) 09:40 Megaf TriBlade9: you could use the texture from fire from homedecor 09:41 TriBlade9 I'm not working with textures 09:41 rubenwardy When I started out, I got really annoyed with Git for '~' files. I then realised it was GEdit's fault. 09:41 TriBlade9 Just with the code 09:41 TriBlade9 .gitignore makes ignoring those easy tho 09:41 rubenwardy Yeah. I didn't know about that then, though :( 09:41 Megaf I wish I could use gedit here, but it crashes on start 09:43 TriBlade9 Btw, if you want a good, fast, but not bloated IDE, try Geany 09:44 TriBlade9 Whee, I changed the way horizontal offset works and now I have to re-do all the positioning variables x[ 09:45 * friti guesses that a global search/replace will not do 09:45 TriBlade9 Actually friti, I already used a variable for all of them 09:45 TriBlade9 Now I just have to figure out exactly what numbers seem right, like I did with the player_movement pull 09:45 * friti can only program useful stuff in LSL and a little bit of Bash 09:46 TriBlade9 LSL? What's that? 09:46 friti Linden Scripting Language, a scripting language specifically develoiped for Second Life, though it also works in OpenSim 09:46 TriBlade9 Oh, for a game? 09:46 TriBlade9 Woo, I'm faster at looking things up than you xD 09:47 friti Hehehe 09:47 friti Anyway, i am not the best LSL scripter, but i am definitely not bad either ;-) 09:47 TriBlade9 Glad to hear it 09:48 TriBlade9 Almost got another commit ready for Fire 09:48 TriBlade9 Adds the missing faces in the middle 09:49 Megaf TriBlade9: are you coming from Minecraft? 09:49 TriBlade9 What on earth makes you think that? (http://leadcraft.us) 09:49 TriBlade9 Yeah x] 09:50 TriBlade9 Though I used to be a big MT player back a couple years ago 09:50 TriBlade9 I know the fire looks a bit too MC ish perhaps 09:50 TriBlade9 But then do some other drawtypes, so I consider myself justified :P 09:51 TBC_x I think that texturepacks could take over drawing stuff 09:51 friti Here's an idea for MUUUUUCH later in the development stage: a scripting language. MC has their command blocks, i think that in-world scripting would be nice. Computercraft uses Lua, but the in-world console feels kinda clunky. My point is that it is obviously possible (yeah, i caught myself digressing.... for once!) 09:51 TBC_x or get closer to do stuff that way 09:53 TBC_x I'm never satisfied how modding works tho 09:54 TBC_x because if you have a mod that adds just decoration blocks, that are cubic and do absolutely nothing, I think they could be separated from a mod, mods would add functionality 09:54 TBC_x in other worlds 09:54 TBC_x s/worlds/words 09:55 Megaf My girlfriend just asked me, havent you noticed anything diferent on me today? 09:55 friti New braces? 09:55 friti :-) 09:55 Megaf All men hate that question 09:56 kahrl "You look older today." 09:56 TBC_x mods - functionalities, blocks - er... blocks 09:56 Megaf Fortunetaly I managed to find out the answer, her lipstick! 09:56 TriBlade9 RIP Megaf 09:56 TriBlade9 :O 09:56 TriBlade9 MAGIC 09:56 friti I once told my wife "You shaved your mustache!!!". Boy, can she punch hard! 09:56 rubenwardy TBC_x, that's just a technicality 09:56 Megaf I took me three attemps to find that out 09:56 Megaf LOL friti ! 09:56 Megaf lmao 09:57 Megaf friti: Totally worth it 09:57 Megaf but dont do that again 09:58 TriBlade9 Damn 09:58 TriBlade9 I need to go out, not enough time to commit 09:59 friti But yeah, i do hate that too. Especially when it comes to lippy. The shade is just a smidge lighter/darker/redder/pinker than her usual shade. Not someting most men would notice. Now , if she suddenly were to wear BLUE lipstick instead of red/pink, it would be different 10:00 TriBlade9 x] 10:03 TBC_x rubenwardy: that's possible, there was a concern about adding the same stuff with different mods... so if you could separate blocks,entities and mods(functional part); a mod would for example change behaviour of sheepers that are from an animal pack, but you could pick the animal pack yourself. The animal pack could contain only meshes, textures and animations + register its animals. 10:03 TBC_x can't come up with a good term 10:21 TenPlus1 Hi folks 10:22 TenPlus1 I think we have a strange problem with Minetest... turns out someone can FAKE a chat and make other players say things... he was on Xanadu server as gnu-hunter and making players swear 10:22 TenPlus1 any idea how it's done so we can fix it ? 10:27 TenPlus1 anyone ??? this is quite a serious problem... 10:28 jin_xi idk maybe someone uses a modified client 10:29 TenPlus1 probably... but it's not nice on a server full of kids when someone is posting sex and swears everywhere on behalf of other players... 10:30 TenPlus1 we need a way of checking if the actual player is posting the chat before displaying it so hackers cant do this 10:31 jin_xi of course not. id suggest you check github if such thing is aready reported and open an issue if not 10:31 TenPlus1 yeah, will do that just now... thx dude 10:45 iqualfragile hello 10:50 RealBadAngel old trick 10:51 RealBadAngel using similar characters to fake nicks 10:51 RealBadAnge1 on some fonts it looks exactly the same 10:52 RealDadAngel ;) 10:52 jin_xi congratulations? 10:52 RealBadAngel lol 10:53 TBC_x RBA: You can't fool pidgin! :D 10:53 RealBadAngel I and l 10:53 RealBadAngel almost the same lookin 10:54 RealBadAngel and folks will swear it was "him" 10:54 TBC_x pidgin generates colored names 10:55 RealBadAngel easy to check, just ask servers admin to see if there are nicks looking nearly the same 11:01 RealBadAngel there are player files in world folder 11:02 RealBadAngel easy enough to check them sorted 11:03 whmark TenPlus1: its very simpile. [your message] [a whole lotta spaces] [the message they seem to have said] 11:06 whmark all the text after the spaces is put on the beginning of the next line in the chat and you can make it seem like people are saying things that they're not 11:07 jin_xi ah 11:12 rubenwardy Colored chat will probably fix that if the color real 11:12 rubenwardy See pull 11:36 TriBlade9 Hi OldCoder 11:36 OldCoder TriBlade9, moin 11:36 TriBlade9 evni 11:44 TriBlade9 hi reactor 12:04 TriBlade9 Ohi asie brock__, Grim, and Graeme 12:20 Mikeonline hi 12:22 erlehmann whmark one could have a special character at the end of each continued line and at the beginning of each one that continues 12:23 erlehmann whmark like the following: 12:23 erlehmann abc def ghi foo bar baz ↲ 12:24 erlehmann ↳ bla blupp dudeldadeldi 12:25 erlehmann maybe use ⤶ and ⤷ for that 12:25 erlehmann or ⤸ and ⤹ 12:26 whmark erlehmann: that could work but so could: 12:26 whmark 9 yo yo yo 12:26 Mikeonline if >> "minetest.place_node(pointed_thing.under, {name="air"}) << is called where is the function defined? 12:27 erlehmann whmark that is hard to read for me. it is light green on light gray. 12:27 TriBlade9 Is there a way to specify when a node is being rendered in-hand? 12:28 TriBlade9 (Sorry, that belongs in minetest-dev) 12:34 Mikeonline where can i lookup the full signature of minetest.place_node ? 12:34 TriBlade9 What do you mea Mikeonline? 12:34 Mikeonline in source 12:34 TriBlade9 Oh 12:35 Mikeonline i think the protection for bucket does not work because the "placer" argument is missing 12:35 Mikeonline so if an area (mod areas) is open the bucket can be used 12:35 Mikeonline if the area is closed it cant even if you are the owner 12:35 Mikeonline i think the placer argument is mising somewhere because its not hand over 12:35 TriBlade9 env.cpp I believe 12:36 TriBlade9 *l_env.cpp 12:36 TriBlade9 Wb asie 12:38 * shadowzone is afk and marked away 12:38 jin_xi Mikeonline: lua api is here https://raw.githubusercontent.com/minetest/minetest/master/doc/lua_api.txt 12:39 Mikeonline yes ive seen this 12:39 Mikeonline but there is no placer argument 12:39 jin_xi maybe you mean after_place_node? 12:39 Mikeonline so what happens if its called 12:39 jin_xi um, idk you can read the source 12:40 Mikeonline if i use the bucket in an open or closed area the code which runs should be: 12:40 Mikeonline minetest.place_node(pointed_thing.under, {name="air"}) 12:40 Mikeonline but it works only in an open area 12:40 Mikeonline i think thats because there is no placer argument passed 12:43 Mikeonline jin_xi: do you know what i mean? 12:43 rainbowdash__ hi 12:43 Mikeonline hi 12:43 jin_xi Mikeonline: im not familiar with any area protection stuff sorry 12:44 Mikeonline hm 12:44 rainbowdash__ im new to minetest 12:46 ibloat also new to irc it seems 12:47 NakedFury hi welcome to the community 12:59 sruz25 join #minetest-dev 12:59 sruz25 damn 13:00 PenguinDad !tell rainbowdash__ Next time stay a bit longer ;) 13:00 MinetestBot PenguinDad: I'll pass that on when rainbowdash__ is around 13:00 shadowzone Lol. 13:02 rubenwardy Mikeonline, that'll be a protection mod bug :P 13:10 reactor Eh TriBlade9 13:11 TriBlade9 ? reactor? 13:12 reactor Sorry, I was not there. 13:12 TriBlade9 What do you mean eh? 13:12 reactor Well I meah 'eh'. 13:13 TriBlade9 Eh referring to what? x] 13:13 TriBlade9 j/k, I'm suddenly bored 13:13 Mikeonline rubenwardy i dont think so 13:13 exio4 oh 13:13 exio4 confused #-dev with this channel 13:13 reactor Eh referring to 'eh'. 13:15 TriBlade9 Ahh, eh 13:16 rubenwardy ie: the protection mod doesn't check for blank player 13:16 rubenwardy Wait, what do you mean by "open"? 13:18 reactor Finally. 13:23 Mikeonline has someone ever used digilines? 13:23 Mikeonline whats the command to write on an lcd 13:29 Mikeonline ah channel is not a number its a string... 13:29 Mikeonline digiline_send("1","test") is correct. not (1,"test") 13:40 sruz25 is mc stack called stack in mt? 13:40 PenguinDad mc stack? 13:40 sruz25 of items 13:40 sruz25 64 13:41 PenguinDad They have the same name in mt and mc 13:41 TriBlade9 Stack in MT is 99 13:41 sruz25 k, thx 13:44 reactor Error: stack pointer lost. 13:45 TriBlade9 O_o 13:46 DusXMT hmm, I was wondering why I couldn't call functions 13:50 TriBlade9 Hi ecutruin, adidik, and alket! 13:50 ecutruin 'elo. 13:50 alket hey TriBlade9 13:50 sol_invictus https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/1659 <- how is that possible (faking chat messages)? 13:52 TriBlade9 IDK sol_invictus, It's hard to tell exactly what the asker is askin about :/ 13:52 PenguinDad WTF is going on with wikipedia? 13:53 TriBlade9 What's wrong with it Penguin Dad? 13:54 PenguinDad TriBlade9: It's working again now 13:57 ecutruin Yay for random concept art.. https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/53977587/Machine.gif 13:59 whmark sol_invictus: black magic :O 14:00 sol_invictus for sure 14:01 whmark I answered that earlier btw 14:01 whmark do you have the chat logs? 14:01 TriBlade9 G'night people! 14:01 whmark or do I need to post the answer again? 14:01 PenguinDad ecutruin: that surely looks random :p 14:01 TriBlade9 Enjoy yourselfves ;) 14:01 TriBlade9 *yourselves 14:02 ecutruin PenguinDad, yuppers.. it was an idea I had related to multiple smaller "blocks" in a single block space. 14:04 FreeFull In a world of mine I have broken lighting due to worldedit. A partial solution has been to do //replace air air in certain places, but I'm not sure which exact places those are, and it's slow. //fixlight doesn't work. Is there some easy programmatic way I can fix the lighting instead? 14:05 FreeFull I was thinking remove all mapblocks which are just air, and then set the lightning_expired flag on the rest. Or just set that flag on everything 14:06 FreeFull lighting* 14:12 erlehmann for those who have read http://news.dieweltistgarnichtso.net/posts/minecraft-microsoft-territory.html i have two questions 14:13 erlehmann first: is an intentionally broken promise a lie? i would say yes, but friends of mine say no. 14:13 erlehmann second: does it need a TL;DR? one of my friends says yes, i wonder what it could be. 14:18 JTE_ Notch made plenty of promises he conviniently forgot. :P 14:20 erlehmann JTE_ yeah, but if you make a promise and no one believes it anyway … hmm. 14:21 FreeFull You can distinguish talking about what will happen in the future from talking about the present or the past 14:21 FreeFull Even if breaking a promise isn't considered a lie, it's still dishonest. 14:21 erlehmann yeah, that is the point. 14:21 erlehmann and a statement that is intentionally not true is a lie, right? 14:22 JTE_ but he didn't intend for it to be intentionally not true. 14:22 TBC_x well... I enjoyed playing minecraft the indie game 14:22 TBC_x Microsoft minecraft just feels wrong 14:22 JTE_ it was just ... not realizing what ridiculousness the future would bring. 14:23 erlehmann JTE_ so it is about internal states. 14:23 _3SidedSquare Hey guy o/ 14:23 erlehmann JTE_ i would probably lie about software as well if paid billions of dollares! 14:23 erlehmann :D 14:24 jin_xi its all speculative 14:24 JTE_ Notch never expected modding. Notch expected he'd release a kinda-cool game, develop it for a couple of years, it'd have a few thousand users, and then they'd all just get bored of it and leave. Then he'd release the source and it would get new life as a modding engine like Doom. 14:24 JTE_ But instead everyone picked it apart because Java is so easy to reverse engineer. :I 14:24 jin_xi your tl:dr should be about being butthurt really 14:24 erlehmann > so easy 14:24 erlehmann haha 14:24 erlehmann jin_xi i am not butthurt in the slightest 14:24 erlehmann :D 14:24 _3SidedSquare It really is though 14:25 _3SidedSquare you can even get the original variable names 14:25 JTE_ Yes, so easy. I'm JTE. I made the first custom Minecraft server ever. I would know. 14:25 sslb Is Microsoft minecraft going to be any different than the original? 14:25 _3SidedSquare Probably a few changes 14:25 erlehmann jin_xi i don't care about mc, i do not buy proprietary softare. 14:25 _3SidedSquare like you might need to pay for capes and shit 14:25 erlehmann i only buy free software. 14:25 _3SidedSquare >buying free software 14:25 jin_xi so why bother? 14:25 JTE_ >it's a free software, but you already paid 14:25 JTE_ isn't it ironic? don't you think?~ 14:25 erlehmann _3SidedSquare yeah like http://insideastarfilledsky.net/ 14:26 erlehmann it costs $12 14:26 erlehmann but you get source code 14:26 erlehmann and i like the authors other games (that are free as in beer) 14:26 erlehmann so i feel fine about supporting that 14:27 rubenwardy free as in freedom 14:27 erlehmann compared to, say, a movie ticket, it is really a good way to convert monies into funnies 14:27 JTE_ Jason Rohrer's a pretty coo guy. 14:27 erlehmann yeah 14:27 rubenwardy free software can have a price 14:27 erlehmann yes, i have written software under GPL and got paid :) 14:27 jin_xi but speculating about the future is not a promise and it turning out differently is no lie 14:28 JTE_ mmm. That's about the truth of it. 14:28 erlehmann jin_xi it did not „turn out differently“. notch chose this path. 14:28 erlehmann „i will” is a pretty bold statement :D 14:28 erlehmann if a promise is broken and it is beyond your power, okay, fine 14:29 erlehmann but if you break it yourself, well, that's dishonest 14:29 erlehmann and not something that happens to someone 14:29 erlehmann but something that you chose to 14:31 TBC_x In my language it could be described as "He threw pearls to swines." 14:32 jin_xi you are reading a lot into this quote. he explicitly mentions the G licences and says MC will never be free in this sense. go read again 15:20 meldrian Hello everyone 15:20 raffahacks Hi 15:22 raffahacks !rainbow bored 15:22 MinetestBot 4b7o8r3e12d 15:22 raffahacks !hash md5 bored 15:22 MinetestBot f5b5c28becf7fdb196e582b9d2ac64e5 15:23 raffahacks !c 10/2 15:23 MinetestBot 5.0 15:23 raffahacks !tell MinetestBot hello 15:23 MinetestBot I'm not dumb, you know? 15:24 raffahacks Can't stop laughing :) 15:26 raffahacks !c 2/3 15:30 Megaf !c 2/3 15:31 Megaf Yay! 15:31 * Megaf is on Linux 15:31 Megaf !c 1+1 15:31 Megaf john_minetest: the bot just forgot maths 15:31 sfan5 24* MinetestBot has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 15:31 sfan5 thats the cause 15:31 * john_minetest is on 100% Linux 15:32 Megaf The heck 15:32 sfan5 -fnalerts/+#fnalerts- kornbluth/4922 (deprecated) seen burst timeout by 26 other connections 15:32 sfan5 freenode pls 15:32 * Megaf is 50% on Linux 15:32 sruz25 >linux 15:32 sruz25 >not gnu hurd 15:32 sfan5 lol 15:32 Megaf Debian Wheezy on a VirtualBox Virtual Machine running on OS X 10.10 Yosemite Beta 3 on a MacBook Pro 13" 7,1 MID 2010. 15:33 sfan5 sruz25: "What you're referring to as Linux, is in fact, GNU/Linux, or as I've recently taken to calling it, GNU plus Linux. Linux is not an operating system unto itself, but rather another free component of a fully functioning GNU system made useful by the GNU corelibs, shell utilities and vital system components comprising a full OS as defined by POSIX." 15:33 sruz25 oh, I WAS referring to the kernell 15:33 Megaf john_minetest: my mac is no retina, is 1280x800 15:34 Megaf And that resolution suits this screen pretty well 15:34 sfan5 uh nooo 15:34 sfan5 MinetestBot actually manages to auto-reconnect for once 15:34 sfan5 and I killed it 15:34 mpa1212 How do I give initial priveleges? I cant figure out how to use commands from the dedicated server CLI 15:34 Megaf !c 2/3*2,4+34/3,42+1 15:34 MinetestBot (1.3333333333333333, 15.333333333333334, 43) 15:34 sfan5 mpa1212: "default_privs = interact, shout, privs" or just edit auth.txt when the server is not running 15:35 Megaf talking about server, I wonder how my server is at the moment 15:35 Megaf !server Megaf 15:35 MinetestBot Megaf: Megaf Server v4.0 | minetest.megaf.info:30003 | Clients: 0/9, 0/3 | Version: 0.4.10-Megaf / MegafXplore | Ping: 1011ms 15:35 Megaf 0 clients, yay! no lag! 15:35 Megaf lol 15:36 sfan5 >ping of 1sec 15:36 Megaf sfan5: you know that ping is not real 15:36 sfan5 it is 15:36 sfan5 !up minetest.megaf.info:30003 15:36 MinetestBot sfan5: Syntax changed, please use 'example.org 1337' instead of 'example.org:1337' 15:36 sfan5 !up minetest.megaf.info30003 15:36 MinetestBot minetest.megaf.info30003:30000 seems to be down 15:36 sfan5 !up minetest.megaf.info3 0003 15:36 MinetestBot minetest.megaf.info3:3 seems to be down 15:36 sfan5 !up minetest.megaf.info 30003 15:36 sfan5 argh 15:36 MinetestBot minetest.megaf.info:30003 is up (996ms) 15:36 sfan5 ^ Megaf 0.9 secs is not much better 15:36 Megaf !up minetest.megaf.info 15:36 MinetestBot minetest.megaf.info:30000 seems to be down 15:37 Megaf !up minetest.megaf.info 30003 15:37 MinetestBot minetest.megaf.info:30003 is up (457ms) 15:37 Megaf I give up, I can' t type properly 15:37 mpa1212 sfan5: Thanks 15:37 Megaf anyway, sfan5, 1 second from where the bot is located... 15:37 sfan5 you mean germany 15:38 Megaf my server is at the southernmost part of Brazil 15:38 Megaf and I'm in Dublin 15:38 mpa1212 And how do i turn on creative mode for the server/a person on the server? Doesn't seem to be a command 15:38 Megaf mpa1212: /grant PlayerName creative 15:39 Megaf is a priv 15:39 * ecutruin envisions a bunch of random MC people coming on this IRC over the next few months. 15:39 Megaf ecutruin: a bunch are already here 15:39 ecutruin I'm sure. 15:39 Megaf !up minetest.megaf.info 30003 15:39 * ecutruin wonders how many of them are developers... 15:39 mpa1212 Megaf: "Unknown privilege:creative" 15:40 Megaf mpa1212: so I have no idea 15:40 Megaf that's how I do in my server 15:40 mpa1212 Megaf: Ok, thanks I'll just find a mod 15:40 Megaf and by the way, we have enough servers already, people could just help existing servers instead of making new ones 15:41 PenguinDad Megaf: is there ui on your server? 15:41 Megaf PenguinDad: What do you mean? I know ui = User Interface 15:41 ecutruin Megaf, we need more core developers.. honestly.. patch up the engine to allow it to do the stuff you can do with MC mods. ^-^; 15:41 mpa1212 I'm (will be) making a private server 15:41 PenguinDad Megaf: I mean Unified Inventory 15:42 rubenwardy Not more core developers, more contributors 15:42 Megaf PenguinDad: Ah, yes, we have that on my server, and bees! 15:42 Megaf PenguinDad: bees, homedecor, pipeworks, mesegates, mesecons, meselamps, darkage, moretrees and so on 15:42 rubenwardy More core developers would be redundant. Core developers are just contributors with access to the main code repo. And additional things. 15:43 sfan5 mpa1212: "creative_mode = true" in minetest.conf 15:44 mpa1212 sfan5: Doesnt that only set it for the local server though? 15:44 Megaf lets see how long will it take to compile full minetest with default options inside a vm on my macbook pro, 15:44 Mikeonline how can i connect a trafficlight to a digilinedistributor? 15:44 sfan5 mpa1212: minetest.conf on the server 15:45 ecutruin What we essentially need is leadership, organization and direction in the core developer group.. with a sizable contributor pool to act as additional resources. Cause so much is missing right now to allow many of the things that can be done via MC modding. 15:46 sfan5 not again 15:46 rubenwardy The thing is that MC modding is not real modding. 15:46 rubenwardy It is patching 15:46 sfan5 Im changing the config not to make MinetestBot connect to kornbluth 15:46 Jordach_ you mean kludging a kludge 15:47 Megaf ecutruin: I agree that Minetest need a leadership 15:47 * sfan5 meows at MinetestBot 15:47 * Megaf has a one man organization 15:47 ecutruin rubenwardy, sure. I'll agree. However, if MT cannot do the same kind of things effectively.. then how can it be a good solution for modders to move to? 15:47 Megaf we need Python in Minetest NOW 15:47 rubenwardy NO! 15:48 RealBadAngel what? 15:48 MinetestBot 02[Git] 04maciej.kasatkin@o2.pl -> 03minetest/minetest: Change default halo.png for better visibility. 138da3136 http://git.io/bp3A7A (152014-09-19T17:47:19+02:00) 15:48 PenguinDad NOOOOOOOOOOOO! 15:48 RealBadAngel apage satanas :P 15:48 rubenwardy Python is bad as a scripting language. 15:48 Mikeonline does anyone know how to use digiline distributors? 15:48 Megaf Python is fast for numeric operations 15:48 rubenwardy The whole extending vs embedding thing 15:48 Megaf Mikeonline: digilines only transmit information 15:48 Megaf you need something to generate/control the information 15:49 rubenwardy Megaf: I am not talking about the language, but rather using the language 15:49 Megaf like lua controller 15:49 Megaf controllers* 15:49 Hobodium we need Visual Basic now! 15:49 rubenwardy NOOOOOOOOOOO! 15:49 rubenwardy This time I am talking about the language 15:49 Mikeonline yeah visual basic rocks :) 15:49 Mikeonline without option explicit :) 15:49 * Megaf gets the Assembly Bible and throws at Hobodium 15:49 sfan5 We need cats~~ 15:49 sfan5 !rainbow cats are great! 15:49 MinetestBot 4cat7s a8re 3gre12at! 15:49 sfan5 meow 15:49 Megaf It would be cool mods written in C++ 15:49 Calinou hi 15:50 Calinou Megaf, no, just no 15:50 Calinou don't use compiled languages for extension 15:50 Calinou this is asking for evilness 15:50 Mikeonline megaf: yes i connected them but how does the connection to the traffic light work 15:50 Calinou john_minetest, there are no C++ mods there, as in “extend things dynamically” 15:50 Calinou you can modify the client or server code like you'd do with Minetest 15:50 Calinou but nearly no one does that 15:50 Megaf Linux Kernel has C++ mods, we call them modules 15:50 Megaf lol 15:50 Calinou Voxelands (the new name of Minetest-classic) is based on 0.3.1 15:51 Calinou john_minetest, .dll/.so? 15:51 Megaf and we can load and unload them on the runtime 15:51 Calinou which means OS-dependant, obscure mods? 15:51 sruz25 well, if the mod is resource-intense, v++ it could help 15:51 Megaf and we cant load and unload lua modules in minetest 15:51 Calinou except if you add some kind of VM (like QVM) 15:51 Calinou 18<24Megaf> Linux Kernel has C++ mods, we call them modules 15:51 Hobodium C++ is too dangerous to trust mods with. Rust is obviously the way to go! 15:51 Calinou C mods* 15:51 sruz25 *c++ 15:51 Calinou just use an interpreted language 15:51 * sfan5 curls up to Calinou's lap 15:51 Calinou it makes everyone life's easier 15:52 * sfan5 meows at Calinou 15:52 sruz25 Why not x86 assembly? 15:52 Megaf yep, those languages are much simpler to learn 15:52 rubenwardy You can do C++ mods in the way that Minecraft has mods. 15:52 * Megaf knows nothing about MC mods 15:53 Hobodium Geeze, either freenode is having severed issues or I am 15:53 Megaf Hobodium: you can blame some DDoS attacks 15:53 Jordach_ i just had a fucking ephiphany again 15:53 Calinou Why not x86 assembly? 15:53 Calinou -ENOTPORTABLE 15:53 Hobodium Megaf: Ah, I see. Hooray, internet dick waving! 15:53 Megaf Kinda like that 15:54 Megaf Assembly mod? Once I knew how to say hello world in assembly 15:55 ecutruin C++ mods aren't what I'm talking about though.. basic functionality is quite messy in MT and really could use fixing. 15:56 Calinou “basic functionality” = ? 15:57 Calinou john_minetest, that's a bad reason, see GIMP still not having high-bit colour depths and CMYK 15:57 Calinou these things are often required by professionals (who, granted, are a minority) 15:57 Calinou but I've seen better, NeoTextureEdit can't properly load the files it saves and crashes on load if you have a configuration file. 15:57 ecutruin Calinou, lets see.. Animations always loop. You cannot execute non-looping animations. No entity prediciton, so entities bug out horribly (visually). To name a couple. 15:58 Calinou you can limit the time of an entity movement 15:58 Calinou which adds some sort of client-side prediction 15:58 Calinou non-looping animations would be useful to have a better death animation 15:59 jin_xi the non looping animations part sounds like something doable 16:01 ecutruin Entity prediction doesn't work from what I've seen.. entities do not appear where they should be quite often on clients, making them hard to interract with. 16:01 tanath so what are coins for? 16:01 Megaf_ I hate when my ISP just decides to change my IP 16:01 Megaf_ for changing sake 16:01 Megaf real 15m26.564s 16:01 Calinou ecutruin, you have to do it by hand 16:01 Megaf Whoah! 15 minutes to compile minetest 16:02 Calinou you specify how long an entity velocity lasts 16:02 Calinou Megaf, My Little ISP: Dynamic IPs are Magic 16:02 ecutruin Calinou that's a terrible method because it still doesn't mean the client will see it the same. 16:03 * tanath troutslaps Calinou 16:03 cg72 wait 15min to compile 0,o ar eyou on a pentium2 16:04 Megaf Core2Duo at 2,4 GHz 16:04 Megaf but I'm on a virtualmachine 16:04 cg72 lol i got 4 of those in my rack server :D same speed 16:05 Megaf heh 16:06 Megaf well, if I ever have a rackserver it will be all ARM 16:06 Megaf octacores 64 bit ARMs 16:06 sfan5 does it have arms? 16:06 Megaf Maybe that new ARM Opteron AMD will sell 16:06 Megaf lol sfan5 16:07 cg72 lol some 16 cord amds would be great 16:07 Megaf AMDs problem is software 16:07 sfan5 especially arm64 <3333 ~ 16:07 Megaf softwares around still not properly DESIGNED for multi CPUs/cores 16:08 Megaf A software should be multhread by design 16:08 Mikeonline ah pole != pole 16:08 Mikeonline there are 2 kinds of pole 16:08 Calinou cg72> lol some 16 cord amds would be great 16:08 Calinou great for your electricity supplier 16:08 Calinou softwares around still not properly DESIGNED for multi CPUs/cores 16:09 Calinou meanwhile, “Go Parallel” is sponsored by… Intel 16:09 cg72 god i hate intel 16:09 cg72 crap!!! 16:09 Megaf So do I 16:09 TBC_x software should use simd as much as possible 16:10 Megaf yep, that too 16:10 cg72 my 4400+amd runs as fast as my 4 core intel and its 1ghz slower and half the cores 16:10 Megaf AMD CPUs always had great instructions and dedicated componentes 16:11 TBC_x would be good to make worldgen with simd in mind 16:11 Megaf but not many software could use them 16:11 Megaf good example is 3D Now! from AMD K6 16:11 iqualfragile Megaf: its impossible to paralelize software by default 16:11 TBC_x i've heard about CPU that can beat i7 on 800 MHz 16:11 Calinou what's 3D Now!? 16:11 TBC_x but cannot confirm it 16:12 Megaf Calinou: are you serious? 16:12 Calinou my 4400+amd runs as fast as my 4 core intel and its 1ghz slower and half the cores 16:12 Calinou the Intel is older? 16:12 Calinou sorry, but look at every single benchmark: AMD is dead when it comes to CPUs 16:12 Calinou that's what every single hardware site/magazine's saying too 16:12 Calinou Megaf, random dotnet bubble extension? 16:12 cg72 its within the same 3-5 month period 16:12 Calinou dotcom* 16:12 Calinou sounds like it 16:12 Calinou I've never seen anything use it 16:13 Megaf Calinou: its a extensions that would do what GPUs do today 16:13 Megaf Calinou: just go and google 16:13 Megaf I wish minetest could make heavy use of at lease SSE2 16:13 Megaf !server Megaf 16:13 MinetestBot Megaf: Megaf Server v4.0 | minetest.megaf.info:30003 | Clients: 0/9, 0/0 | Version: 0.4.10-Megaf / MegafXplore | Ping: 1008ms 16:13 Calinou making heavy use of extension sets is very hard and time-consuming 16:13 cg72 when i can run my amd with the fan unplugged ( i forgot to plugit in after working on it) and get over 200f and never die my intell shit i fried at 17of before 16:13 Calinou and you break compatibility with old CPUs 16:14 Calinou cg72, no CPU should run at >= 75° C 16:14 Calinou the end 16:14 Megaf Calinou: I would say 68 16:14 Calinou 70 °C 24/7 is fine actually 16:14 Megaf I find 68 C already too hot, it shortens the CPU life 16:14 Calinou 70 °C is unlikely to shorten its life 16:14 Megaf you sure? 16:14 Calinou (that is, over 3-4 years) 16:14 TBC_x CPU compatibility doesn't matter much with foss 16:15 Calinou TBC_x, who wants to write dozens of fallbacks? 16:15 TBC_x library maintainers 16:16 cg72 i still have old x86 , a 386 and some 686 ( yes they are in working machinse) and even them amd would kill intel cpus 16:16 Megaf cg72: is not worth arguing with intelheads 16:16 Megaf they got the money to pay for them 16:17 cg72 lol i ge free stuff from my E-cycle thats why i have intels inside 16:17 Megaf if you compare $$xFLOPS AMD wins 16:17 cg72 only reason 16:18 cg72 almost identical amd and intell from about a yeear ago and amd complies 10% faster and is better at finding prims 16:18 joe__ Hello 16:19 joe__ What is the difference between sand & dessert_sand? 16:19 Megaf Its color 16:19 joe__ Where do you find sand 16:19 PenguinDad How it tastes :P 16:19 Megaf joe__: beaches and deserts 16:19 cg72 lol PenguinDad 16:20 Megaf but I have already found lots of sand and dirt deep underground 16:20 joe__ desert_sand doesn't produce silicon 16:21 Megaf hm, it should 16:21 Megaf ^ VanessaE 16:21 Megaf anyway, you can convert desert sand to sand 16:21 joe__ I made a change to the mesecons_meterials file to allow it make silicon 16:22 VanessaE it isn't supposed to. 16:22 joe__ Where do I find sand then 16:22 VanessaE on beaches. 16:22 VanessaE literally :) 16:22 VanessaE regular sand in the game has a lighter color than desert sand 16:23 VanessaE it can be found by water 16:23 joe__ I just found it. I will change my file bck to to the original 16:23 VanessaE if you have homedecor installed, there is a recipe that will let you craft desert sand into regular sand 16:23 Megaf joe__: you can make sand out of gravel out of cobble out of stone 16:24 Megaf In fact I have a machine that makes sandstone bricks from lava 16:24 joe__ In homedecor? 16:25 VanessaE homedecor has a crafting chain for some of that yes. 16:25 VanessaE (in the fake fire mod therein) 16:26 joe__ Ok. 16:26 joe__ Thanks 16:33 sfan5 cg72, no CPU should run at >= 75° C 16:33 sfan5 tell that to my cpu 16:34 Geppie lol 16:34 Calinou laptops can handle a bit more 16:34 Geppie sfan5, i think you need a new fan if its running that hot 16:34 Calinou if you compare $$xFLOPS AMD wins 16:34 Calinou this is debatable 16:34 sfan5 good luck installing a new fan into a laptop 16:34 cg72 sfan my amd got to about 200F so 95cish 16:34 Calinou joe__, if you use Carbone, you can find sand underground too sometimes 16:34 Calinou and even clay :P 16:35 Calinou Sandy Bridge throttles at 98°C, Ivy Bridge at 105°C, Haswell at 100°C 16:35 Calinou recent AMD may be 95°C or so 16:35 cg72 my intell cooked at 175F!!! 16:35 cg72 crappy chip 16:36 sfan5 please use °C 16:36 ecutruin Oh, Calinou, another important thing.. (sorry am gaming).. that I believe is at least being worked on is dynamic modifying of nodes.. so you can change nodes at runtime. 16:36 cg72 damn you metric system 16:36 cg72 lol 16:36 Megaf damn you cg72... 16:36 cg72 175f is 80c 16:36 Megaf the whole world use metrics, but USA and England 16:37 T4im cg72: http://fun.drno.de/pics/english/metric_vs_imperial.jpg 16:37 T4im :P 16:37 cg72 damn the bloody metric system :D 16:37 T4im Megaf: uhm.. england uses metric system by now 16:38 Amaz (mostly) 16:38 TBC_x let's use soccer stadiums instead of kilometers! 16:38 T4im officially anyway :D 16:38 sruz25 *football 16:38 cg72 hahaha and the pint 16:38 T4im and i believe there where 2 others using the american one.. burma iirc and liberia.. or sometrhing like that 16:38 cg72 i need one now :P 16:39 Hobodium I'm in the US and we use both where I live, although I blame the Canadians for that. Soon metric will have total global saturation. 16:39 T4im burma, liberia and us.. just doublechecked 16:39 T4im u.s.* 16:39 cg72 but its still one thing the metric system will never rule!!! 16:39 TBC_x chinese will rule! 16:40 Calinou my intell cooked at 175F!!! 16:40 Calinou it makes no sense to judge recent Intel CPUs based on 15 year old ones. 16:40 cg72 porno! the length of a c__k is still always in inches rotf 16:40 sfan5 Compressing minetest-0.4.10-8da3136-win32/games/carbone/mods/soccer/models/soccer_ball.x 16:40 sfan5 y not b3de? 16:40 sfan5 b3d* 16:40 Calinou cg72, or not. 16:40 Calinou sfan5, kaeza made it 16:40 Calinou .x is fine too 16:40 Calinou text format has upsides 16:40 cg72 Calinou even my new intell i7 sucks 16:41 T4im well.. there will be some things that will remain non-metric.. time for example.. hours, minutes, seconds.. global saturation, even though its totally nonmetric 16:41 Calinou if you judge based on bogomips instead of reactivity… 16:42 T4im i also heared they build differently sized wings for an airplane via that 16:42 T4im :P 16:42 cg72 i go by what i use it for, compiling, internet porn , games and stuff i need kali linux for and my amds are faster at all of that 16:42 sruz25 speaking of CPUs: I really hope we'll see onboard HBM on AMD APUs 16:42 sfan5 hbm? 16:42 sruz25 high bandwidth memory 16:42 blaise hybrid bowel movement 16:42 sruz25 basically big cache 16:42 sfan5 ddr5? 16:42 sfan5 oh 16:43 sfan5 I see 16:43 sruz25 it's different from gddr5 though 16:43 sruz25 it would boost iGPUs really well 16:43 blaise iGPU ? 16:43 sruz25 integrated 16:43 blaise meh 16:43 cg72 just give me some ddr 200, you can borrow my delorean to go get it lol 16:44 sruz25 exactly, it's meh now 16:44 blaise unless it's amd I don't want it 16:44 sruz25 it could get very nice performance boost 16:44 sruz25 it is 16:44 blaise unless it's free of course 16:44 blaise :D 16:44 sruz25 as in libre? 16:45 cg72 everything should be gpu based and not 86/64 ach. the advantages are so much greater 16:45 T4im i doubt that.. 16:46 T4im the power consumption optimizations for example don't come from the gpu sector, if i'm not mistaken 16:46 cg72 i have written games in cuda and c++ the same game in cuda on my tesla is way faster than anything on even my server machine in c++ 16:47 cg72 im not sure tbh but gpus can throttle by controlling the thread count to the cores 16:47 RealBadAngel sorry but that sounds like "i wrote some code for my fridge, which is actually a bit newer than my cpu, so its faster" 16:48 RealBadAngel there are areas where cuda can be faster, yes. but in general its not a cpu and never will be 16:49 cg72 lol atleast its not 32bit arm cores like my work stuff is lol 16:50 T4im arm is not build to be the fastest.. arm is afaik build to be the cheapest ;) 16:50 T4im at least they kind of managed that 16:50 cg72 coding for arm is a pita i know that 16:50 cg72 tht and avr ships 16:50 cg72 chips** 16:52 cg72 bye guys need to go work on my racing tractor 16:53 Calinou you write games in CUDA, how? 16:53 Calinou (that's shameful anyway) 16:53 cg72 well not 100% cuda 16:54 cg72 and why is it shamefull it was a learning experience lol not like i do it all the time only once 16:54 Calinou learning proprietary stuff 16:55 cg72 i needed to for work lol had a project looking to use some gpu based chips 16:55 cg72 never did due to price of the thing 16:55 Calinou what do you work for? 16:56 cg72 hardware/software dev for automotive applications 16:56 Calinou good luck 16:56 cg72 why you say it like that:( 16:56 Megaf ARM is built to be fast and energy efficient 16:57 Megaf nobody beats arm in performance/watt 16:57 Megaf my quad core 1,6 GHz ARM board compiles minetest server in 3 minutes 16:57 Calinou true, even though Intel says otherwise all the time :D 16:57 Megaf all tests of any ARM agains any Atom proves that ARM is much faster and using only a fraction of energy 16:58 Megaf brb 16:58 VanessaE > 1.6 GHz 16:58 VanessaE > fast 16:58 VanessaE hah 16:58 VanessaE my 2.8 GHz Phenom II X6 would like a word with you 16:58 VanessaE ARM is energy efficient, absolutely. 16:59 VanessaE but fast? not compared to any current desktop processor. 16:59 VanessaE and mine's not exactly "current" either. 17:00 alket STOP CART LAG PLEASE !!! IT'S ENTERING THE GROUND !!! 17:01 cg72 it would be more helpfull to me if a chip affered a customizable interupt setup, i need 1 to over ride 2 now but 2 to over ride 1 later ahhhhh!! 17:06 sruz25 amd is planning arm/x86 hybrid 17:07 sruz25 not sure if it's official or rumors, but it could be nice 17:08 sruz25 suddenly JITs will be kind of useful 17:08 VanessaE alket: stop shouting please. 17:09 VanessaE alket: fixing the lag that happens with carts requires fundamental changes in the way Minetest works. it is not something we can fix very quickly 17:15 Krock hi 17:16 VanessaE hi 17:16 cg72 hiyas 17:16 cg72 crap im never getting anything done chatting here lol 17:19 rainbowdash__ hi 17:20 rainbowdash__ anyone online 17:20 Krock hi 17:22 rainbowdash__ how ARE YOU 17:22 Hobodium Nope, the internet is down for maintenance 17:23 rainbowdash__ lol 17:24 H-H-H someone forgot to put 50p in the meter 17:26 alket VanessaE, sorry , it was anger writing 17:28 VanessaE alket: I could tell. the lag you experience is because the client can't predict where the cart, called an "entity", should go when the server experiences some kind of lag. 17:28 VanessaE there are plans to fix this 17:28 VanessaE but it needs work on both server and client 17:28 VanessaE and changes to the carts mod too 17:29 alket thanks for explaining and understaning 17:31 Calinou rainbowdash__, yes, Rarity is online. :3 17:34 rainbowdash__ Hi 17:36 rainbowdash__ I am a litttle new to game but i have some expeiance to minecraft 17:36 H-H-H how do i print to the console , i want to output some debug to console/chat 17:36 Calinou H-H-H, minetest.log("debug", "Your message.") 17:36 Calinou this? 17:36 Calinou don't use print() 17:36 Calinou use minetest.log(type, message) 17:36 Calinou it can be "action", "error"… 17:37 Calinou you probably want to use action 17:37 rainbowdash__ how do you set up a server 17:37 H-H-H ahh cool thanks 17:37 H-H-H i tried print but it didnt seem to do anything 17:37 rainbowdash__ hi broam 17:37 Calinou rainbowdash__, http://wiki.minetest.net/Setting_up_a_server 17:37 Broam ahoy. 17:37 rainbowdash__ okay 17:38 Calinou :o Broam is a FSF member 17:39 Broam wow, people read my cloak. Associate member. 17:40 Broam Thanks for linking that wiki article Calinou. I might have to set up a semipublic server for one of the mods I'm helping to test that contains more mods than just the one we're working on :) 17:43 MinetestBot 02[Git] 04sfan5 -> 03minetest/master-server: Revert 757e186 "Disable source IP check because it causes problems" 139df5013 http://git.io/4NgXbg (152014-09-19T19:40:23+02:00) 17:44 rainbowdash__ i did what it said but it said something about a port bind socket already in use or something like that 17:45 Calinou are there other Minetest processes running? 17:45 Calinou some other service using port 30000? 17:45 ShadowNinja VanessaE: I've got loads of varnings about deprecated add_pariclespawner calls. Fix the fake_fire bundled with HomeDecor. 17:46 rainbowdash___ it said failed to bind socket 17:47 Calinou are there other Minetest processes running? 17:47 Calinou some other service using port 30000? 17:47 sfan5 !tell LemonLake https://tox.im/ pls 17:47 MinetestBot sfan5: I'll pass that on when LemonLake is around 17:47 rainbowdash___ ill chexk 17:49 rainbowdash___ what does a port look like in commandprompt 17:50 Calinou nothing. 17:50 Calinou look at the task manager 17:50 Calinou are there other minetest.exe? 17:50 rainbowdash___ so how do i find it 17:51 Calinou Ctrl + Alt + Delete → Task Manager 17:51 Calinou look at Processes 17:52 rainbowdash___ ok 17:52 rainbowdash___ i changed the port and i could connect 17:59 rainbowdash___ it worked 17:59 rainbowdash___ calinou 17:59 iqualfragile rainbowdash___: you need to take 3 more steps: 17:59 iqualfragile 1. stop watching mlp 18:00 iqualfragile 2. get a nickname without _________ at the end 18:00 rainbowdash___ for what 18:00 iqualfragile 3. install linux 18:00 * Calinou facehooves 18:00 Calinou you can perfectly host a server on Windows 18:00 iqualfragile Calinou: windows ip stack sucks 18:00 AMMOnym Hello there. Esteban told me that I should try ask you here. I have this code, but that doesnt work with my mod. It just create a bigger collision box and nothing more. If someone can send me an another code like this http://pastebin.com/6X0yBEbQ , so please give me a link on your code and I will use it for my mod. It should be done today, but without this code I cant continue. Thanks 18:00 Calinou rainbowdash___, as freenode is a large network, all the pony names are registered : 18:00 Calinou :P 18:00 MinetestBot 4rai7nbo8w d3ash12! 18:00 Calinou iqualfragile, good enough for dozens of clients 18:00 rainbowdash___ ok 18:01 Calinou what is more important is having good bandwidth 18:01 GhostDoge 05j04o07h08n03_09m10i11n02e12t06e13s05t04: 07R08a03i09n10b11o02w 12D06a13s05h04! 18:01 sruz25 you can keep on watching the show, but there's no need to be faggot about it 18:01 rainbowdash___ i didn't know that 18:01 Calinou don't call people faggots please 18:01 rainbowdash___ i just watch the show and thats it 18:01 sruz25 like you can have subtle nickname 18:01 sruz25 like bluefast 18:02 sruz25 or top_cunt 18:02 * Jordach_ agrees with Calinou 18:02 kaeza greetings 18:02 rainbowdash___ i think its a cool nickname 18:02 Jordach because i once had 12 players running on WinXP 18:02 Calinou sruz25, watch your language 18:02 iqualfragile sruz25: yes, we still preferr the word "frenchman" around here 18:02 * sfan5 meows at Jordach 18:03 TBC_x feed the poor kitty 18:03 * TBC_x feeds sfan5 18:03 TBC_x TO FISHES! 18:04 rainbowdash___ llol 18:04 * sfan5 meows 18:05 Krock lel, 2nd HDD islocked after a bluescreen 18:05 Krock <3 windows 18:06 iqualfragile Calinou: see thats what happens when you use windows 18:06 rainbowdash___ iv'e played this game for week and i think its a cool game 18:06 AMMOnym Hello there. Esteban told me that I should try ask you here. I have this code, but that doesnt work with my mod. It just create a bigger collision box and nothing more. If someone can send me an another code like this http://pastebin.com/6X0yBEbQ , so please give me a link on your code and I will use it for my mod. It should be done today, but without this code I cant continue. Thanks . Say me if I cant ask it here :) 18:06 Calinou sruz25: yes, we still preferr the word "frenchman" around here 18:06 Calinou OK, stop it now, last warning 18:06 rainbowdash___ windows is better than linux because it can run almost any program 18:06 rainbowdash___ no offense 18:07 rubenwardy AMMOnym, I don't understand what you want. 18:07 iqualfragile AMMOnym: stop spamming 18:07 Calinou old Windows versions aren't that stable 18:07 Calinou as they are more recent, they get more stable 18:07 VanessaE AMMOnym: the collision box is defined by the node's draw type. 18:07 rainbowdash___ im using windows 8 18:07 Calinou same thing goes for all operating systems 18:07 Calinou good 18:07 sruz25 rainbowdash___: ok, kid 18:07 rubenwardy rainbowdash___, that is because people write programs for Windows. Not because Windows supports more programs 18:07 rainbowdash___ good point 18:08 VanessaE AMMOnym: but you can use nodeboxes to get that effect. 18:08 Calinou please don't call people kids like that either 18:08 * sfan5 *sigh* 18:08 AMMOnym Thanks for answers 18:08 sruz25 jeez, okay 18:08 VanessaE AMMOnym: set some nodeboxes (exact same format as selection_box) but keep the drawtype as something else, say plantlike. the nodeboxes will create a collision box of the size you specify, but without being visible. 18:08 sfan5 Calinou: can you please start noticing when things aren't meant seriously 18:08 TBC_x whenever i sit infront of a computer with win 8, my head hurts 18:08 rubenwardy Linux is better as an operating system, but when you take games and software into account it decreases the lead. I personally dual boot. I game on Windows, and do everything else on Linux. 18:09 SylvieLorxu rubenwardy: s/and software// 18:09 rainbowdash___ awesome 18:09 TBC_x bashing my head into wall 18:09 SylvieLorxu Linux has just as much software, if not more 18:09 Calinou sfan5, they are. 18:09 SylvieLorxu It's just lacking in gaming 18:09 Calinou SylvieLorxu, your opinion 18:09 SylvieLorxu Lacking in "proprietary gaming", specifically 18:09 SylvieLorxu On Free Gaming we have the best choice 18:09 rubenwardy My college uses Windows only software. 18:09 rubenwardy That's what I meant :P 18:10 rainbowdash___ i like windows but i always wonderd what lnux is like 18:10 SylvieLorxu I use Linux-only software for college. Screw their crashy WhiteStarUML, I've got Umbrello :P 18:10 Calinou mostly the same choice as on Windows 18:10 iqualfragile rubenwardy: how many gpus do you have and what cpu are you using? 18:10 Calinou but you can compile it at least, without it being a pain 18:10 SylvieLorxu rainbowdash___: You can run it from a CD without installing it 18:10 SylvieLorxu Just burn a CD or use something like UNetBootin on an USB stick 18:10 Calinou whenever i sit infront of a computer with win 8, my head hurts 18:10 Calinou my head is better 18:10 rubenwardy Can't remember 18:10 SylvieLorxu And you can try without replacing Windows 18:10 * john_minetest gives sfan5 a <'(((-< 18:10 rubenwardy Pentium(R) Dual-Core CPU E5300 @ 2.60GHz × 2 18:10 Calinou you can use a virtual machine for that, SylvieLorxu 18:11 rubenwardy Intel® G41 18:11 rubenwardy :P 18:11 SylvieLorxu Calinou: Virtual Machines are generally much more unreliable than live CDs/USBs 18:11 iqualfragile Espeically they are slower, give a wrong idea 18:11 rainbowdash___ well yeah but more things can go wrong when you boot up from a cd/usb 18:12 sfan5 Intel(R) Core(TM) i5-2410M CPU @ 2.30GHz 18:12 sruz25 not when you only boot up 18:12 sruz25 it's when you want to install it on your disk 18:12 rainbowdash___ well thats when critical probles mostly happen 18:12 iqualfragile rubenwardy: ok, that is too old 18:12 sruz25 or you can just install it on another usb 18:13 rubenwardy When I said gaming, I meant stronghold 1 & 2, half life 2, portal, the sims, anno series, AoE III, etc. Pretty much all RTSes. 18:13 sruz25 loading is slow as hell, but it's safe 18:13 SylvieLorxu rainbowdash___: I haven't had anything go wrong there yet 18:13 Calinou rubenwardy, http://play0ad.com/ 18:13 rubenwardy Yeah. It still runs okay. 18:13 Calinou http://glportal.de/ too :D 18:13 rubenwardy Got that 18:13 rubenwardy got 0ad 18:13 rainbowdash___ well some times a virus can get on the disk 18:13 Calinou john_minetest, what's BGA? 18:13 Calinou to me, it's Ball Grid Array… 18:13 rubenwardy rainbowdash___, :S 18:14 rubenwardy That's what Microsoft want you to think 18:14 rainbowdash___ i have a book called c++ for dummies 18:14 rainbowdash___ and i want to become a devloper for minetest 18:14 iqualfragile rainbowdash___: leme guess, you are 14-15? 18:14 rubenwardy rainbowdash___, I recommend you start easier than C++ if you have less than a year of experience. 18:15 sruz25 eh, c#/python is better for begginers 18:15 Calinou C#? no thanks 18:15 rainbowdash___ i can learn that at treehouse 18:15 sruz25 I didn't say I like it 18:15 TBC_x I've got a book about programming in ASM... but actually it's MASM 18:15 Calinou rainbowdash___, at Twilight Sparkle's tree library :D 18:15 rainbowdash___ lol 18:15 rubenwardy john_minetest, same 18:15 sruz25 but it IS easier than cpp 18:15 Calinou Java instead of C#, please. 18:15 rubenwardy NodeBoxEditor is an example of that 18:15 Calinou similar goals 18:16 Calinou bye 18:16 rainbowdash___ bye 18:16 rainbowdash___ calinou 18:17 TBC_x C++ is not the best either 18:17 iqualfragile john_minetest: there is mono 18:17 rainbowdash___ c++ is a pretty powerfull programming language 18:17 sruz25 john_minetest: it's not bad when it works, but yes, proprietary is bad 18:17 blaise is honey from the bees mod used in other recipes ? 18:17 blaise I can't figure out what to do with it 18:17 rubenwardy I think the Java developers want Java to run on the Pentagon. The security settings are stupid. I hate it. Why can't they just sandbox the language? Add privileges so the user has to authorise each file access, etc. (I am mainly talking about in the browser) 18:18 rubenwardy 18:18 Calinou rubenwardy, it is sandboxable 18:18 sruz25 rainbowdash___: well, you'd better not shoot yourself in the leg, if it's so powerfull 18:18 Calinou Java in browser: disable. 18:18 Calinou the end. 18:18 rubenwardy Yeah. 18:18 Calinou don't allow plugins to run, for maximal security 18:18 rubenwardy That is what I do 18:18 Calinou Java doesn't have its place in a browser 18:18 TBC_x it probably is... but i think it is overfeatured 18:18 jp rubenwardy : how progress NBE 7.1 ? 18:18 iqualfragile rainbowdash___: what do you mean by "powerfull"? 18:19 rubenwardy jp: slowly :P 18:19 TBC_x http://yosefk.com/c++fqa/ 18:19 rubenwardy I work in bursts, about a month and a half apart 18:19 sruz25 iqualfragile: well, it IS powerful as in you can do a many things, lowlever included 18:19 sruz25 but you can do some horrible things too 18:20 iqualfragile sruz25: i asked rainbowdash___ 18:20 sruz25 k 18:20 rainbowdash___ it can make good programs do more than some programming languages can and some other things too 18:20 iqualfragile rainbowdash___: wtf? i don't understand 18:21 blaise lol 18:21 sruz25 rainbowdash___: kind of yes, but not really 18:21 TBC_x i still prefer unmanaged environment 18:21 rainbowdash___ its hard to explain what powerfull really is thou 18:21 blaise you know what everyone is raving over? 18:21 rainbowdash___ what 18:21 blaise GO 18:22 TBC_x though I found a CPU that does it on lower level, including typechecking 18:22 blaise aparently it's incredible to code with 18:22 sruz25 the biggest difference when it comes to performance is not having GC 18:22 TBC_x well... i like duck typing 18:22 rainbowdash___ c++ can be a pain when trying to fix errors 18:22 blaise I envision coders acting like the girls in the shampoo commercials.. 18:22 sruz25 and that doesn't matter unless it's performance-heavy program 18:23 blaise http://golang.org/ 18:23 blaise lol 18:23 GhostDoge Go lang go! 18:23 Hobodium Like a videogame 18:23 rubenwardy C++ is powerful in that it is lower level than other languages. 18:24 blaise meh 18:24 sruz25 blaise: it has weird syntax though afaik. less brackets and such 18:24 rubenwardy not in that it is quick to learn and develop for 18:24 blaise C > CPP 18:24 TBC_x oh cmon, you can find people worshipping even dog shit if you give 'em $$$ 18:24 GhostDoge blaise: ASM > C :P 18:24 friti If you really want to go low-level, go maniulate individual bits :-) 18:25 rubenwardy rainbowdash___, I have found your ideal Linux distro: http://www.ponyos.org/ 18:25 sruz25 GhostDoge: electric needle+firm hand>ASM 18:25 rainbowdash___ ok 18:25 rubenwardy woops, it is not Linux 18:25 GhostDoge rubenwardy: that's not linux 18:26 iqualfragile holding a butterfly in your closed hands, opening them for a sec to let the butterfly flap once, to manipulate the athmospheric preasures to form lenses to focus cosmic radiation on one specific spot on your hdd to flip a bit > electric needle+firm hand 18:27 * blaise busts out his hex editors 18:27 rainbowdash___ can anyone teach being a good minetest server admin 18:27 friti iqualfragile: I acttually prefer waving a wand over a goat sacrifice, but whever floats your boat ;-) 18:28 iqualfragile rainbowdash___: yes, grow up, don't use windows 18:28 Jordach rainbowdash___, using your head and not being a doúchebag 18:28 TBC_x rainbowdash___: nobody but yourself 18:28 blaise lol 18:28 friti rainbowdash___: Only use your power when you really have no other choice 18:29 blaise Powah? 18:29 rainbowdash___ listen i was jjust asking sugestions and im serious 18:29 exio4 what the ... is ponyos 18:29 * blaise facepalms 18:29 TBC_x damn... i should close some of my 194 open tabs in firefox 18:29 rainbowdash___ pony operating system 18:30 blaise rainbowdash___: careful with the mods.. it can really drag your server down 18:30 rainbowdash___ ponyOS for short 18:30 iqualfragile rainbowdash___: these were all serious answers 18:30 sruz25 rainbowdash___: just go try things and when you encounter problems, google, if you keep failing for at least 30 minutes, you can go ask to irc 18:30 blaise rainbowdash___: don't grant anyone anything, ever 18:30 GhostDoge exio4: April fools os 18:30 exio4 oh 18:30 blaise cept for interact and talk and stuffs 18:31 iqualfragile blaise: well, if your server is too big you might need one or two mods 18:31 rainbowdash___ hold on guys one sec 18:31 friti rainbowdash___: And i was serious. A good server owner sits back and does little to interfere, unless it is really needed 18:31 rubenwardy exio4, rainbowdash___, notice "Happy April Fools Day" at the bottom of ponyos.org 18:31 blaise iqualfragile: I have to many mods. 18:31 blaise !server Midnight 18:31 MinetestBot blaise: MidnightSystems | midnightsystems.net | Clients: 0/10, 0/1 | Version: 0.4.10 / minetest | Ping: 924ms 18:31 blaise go ahead, check it out 18:31 iqualfragile blaise: no, moderators, not modifications 18:31 rubenwardy Do you know how to make a server, rainbowdash___? 18:32 iqualfragile friti: looks like i am a great server admin then, i don't even play minetest anymore 18:32 rubenwardy lol 18:32 blaise I'm franticly in complete dispair over trying to find a good minecart mod 18:32 TBC_x damn... i modified the rendering code a bit and it doesn't render anymore 18:33 blaise a sobing mess... 18:33 blaise I need trains in my minetest server! 18:33 exio4 this is what I wanted http://www.toaruos.org/pages/about.html 18:34 rainbowdash___ uh i just got a app called cam studio put it keeps on opening diffrent web pages 18:34 sruz25 rainbowdash___: but first and foremost: STOP using that nickname on irc if you want help, people will not take you seriously. It's huge flag saying "LOOK I'M 12" 18:34 blaise I wonder if minetest would work better if we ported it to GO ? 18:34 rainbowdash___ btw im 13 18:35 blaise rainbowdash___: sounds like malware 18:35 sruz25 what a sirprise 18:35 sruz25 18:36 underscores____ We are underscores. We are legion. We do not forgive. We do not forget. Expect us. :D 18:37 TBC_______x now, don't get ridicilous 18:37 Nitori what's with all those underscores? 18:37 iqualfragile john_minetest: best os ever: http://sourceforge.net/projects/rebeccablackos/ 18:37 sruz25 rainbowdash___: it's good that you are interested in tech and such, but people will often consider it not worthwhile trying to advice someone that young 18:37 TBC_______x It's underscores______ day! 18:38 exio4 john_minetest, does that make me a real coder? 18:38 exio4 or it doesn't work that way? :P 18:38 sruz25 so trying to hide your age and act more grown up is advicable 18:39 TBC_x real coder knows that he has 1 parents, 9 fingers, but mostly, worships only 0 god! 18:39 sruz25 and changing your nick is first step 18:39 rainbowdash___ look sruz25 im entiled to my opion when it comes to nicknames 18:39 exio4 john_minetest, I code, but can't draw, but I am not a good coder 18:40 rainbowdash___ im bad a drawing 18:40 exio4 john_minetest, I only need 5~4 years more 18:40 DusXMT sruz25: quite frankly, you're the one who acts like a kid by bashing on people's nicknames, even though they're not offensive 18:41 rainbowdash___ its not like my nick name is some random text 18:41 exio4 john_minetest, http://norvig.com/21-days.html! 18:41 rainbowdash___ and dusXMT is right 18:43 exio4 :P 18:43 sruz25 you can keep it if you want, but if you're planning to seek advice somewhere where are mostly people who are older and such, it's better to not say "I'm 13" with your nick 18:43 sruz25 is all I'm saying 18:43 rainbowdash___ ok 18:44 iqualfragile the problem is that its literally impossible for 13 year old to be good programmers, the brain structure is wrong 18:44 rainbowdash___ i just dont think nicknames are good advice for creating a server though 18:45 iqualfragile rainbowdash___: serious advice: go play outside for two more years, then come back 18:45 iqualfragile we will still be here 18:45 DusXMT You'd be surprised, there's actually quite a bit of adults watching mpl. Even I watched the entire first series, but I don't consider myself a `brony' because I really just saw it as any other cartoon I've watched and enjoyed. 18:45 DusXMT *mlp 18:45 rainbowdash___ not true im studying programming at team treehouse .com and its good at 18:45 TBC_x iqualfragile: don't underestimate the age, I've been kinda good coder when i was 13 18:46 iqualfragile TBC_x: have you looked at code you wrote when you were 13 recently? 18:46 sruz25 as I said already, it's good that you're interested in such things, instead of pleying vidia 18:47 rainbowdash___ we learn from are mistakes and you dont know what are code looks like now do you 18:47 TBC_x iqualfragile: that got lost in time 18:47 TBC_x unfortunately 18:47 sruz25 but if you want to hang out with grown ups, they will kind of expect you to act that way too 18:47 rubenwardy Practice, not age 18:47 friti iqualfragile: A Dutch saying goes that "learned young, done old". Meaning that it's a good thing to start when young. You'd only be better when you're older. So rainbowdash___, if you want to start coding now, please do so. But it takes a while to become good at it 18:48 rainbowdash___ have you haerd the the term you cant teach an old dog new tricks 18:48 rubenwardy Guys, please stop harrasing. This sort of thing is why so many people leave the community, or get dissuaded too soon. 18:49 exio4 rainbowdash___, you should start programming 18:49 iqualfragile friti: i just fear he is wasting his childhood 18:49 * friti is a 44 year old fart, and wrote his first Basic program at age 12 because other programming languages were not avalable to him 18:49 rainbowdash___ im homescholled what is there to lose 18:50 exio4 it is a beautiful thing, it really helps with problem solving "thinking", and can convert abstract creativity in small programs that do things that you want, in the way you want them to resolve problems! 18:51 sruz25 john_minetest: but they usually don't have such obvious nicknames 18:51 sruz25 like me 18:51 rubenwardy iqualfragile: that is his/her parents' job. Not yours. 18:51 rainbowdash___ you have a good point 18:51 rainbowdash___ but who cares if your a brony or not 18:51 exio4 I wish I start programming before I was 10 :( 18:52 friti iqualfragile: Too late. Kids today are not interested in playing outside anymore. At least rainbowdash___is not limiting himself or herself to just mindlessly playing games. I like that rainbowdash___wants to code, at least he/she is using his/her brains solving problems! 18:52 rubenwardy The code you write at the moment won't be very good, rainbowdash___. That is just how it is. But it will only get better. PilzAdam became a core dev when he was 16. 18:52 asie hi 18:52 asie i'm a 17-year-old programmer 18:52 rainbowdash___ i ride my bike alot 18:52 iqualfragile rainbowdash___: my condolences 18:52 asie john_minetest: yes 18:52 rubenwardy I'm 17, too 18:52 asie i think that's about 11-13, or so 18:52 rainbowdash___ its okay 18:53 iqualfragile rainbowdash___/friti yes, absolutely, better code then play, but the question is if that are the only options 18:53 Krock ..and a chkdsk /F later... 18:53 exio4 john_minetest, I don't really think you need to connect much for coding _toy_ things 18:53 rainbowdash___ plus i cant wait for winter i have a snowbord i want to try out 18:53 Krock HDD's working fine again :) 18:53 exio4 who here isn't 17? 18:53 rainbowdash___ me 18:53 Krock exio4, me? 18:54 iqualfragile rainbowdash___: please don't start with c++, it will frustrate you 18:54 iqualfragile exio4: me 18:54 friti iqualfragile: Nobody ever sayd that coding/playing is the only thing rainbowdash___is doing.... 18:54 rainbowdash___ okay 18:54 iqualfragile rainbowdash___: start with python, its more fun 18:54 exio4 oh neat, still 4-2! 18:54 exio4 I'd start with scheme 18:54 PenguinDad exio4: I'm younger than 17 18:54 friti (damn my typos) 18:54 jin_xi why not lua 18:54 rubenwardy Krock is about 3 18:54 iqualfragile bc python has a turtle module and thats good for kids :D 18:54 rainbowdash___ i can learn that at treehouse 18:54 rubenwardy XD 18:55 friti iqualfragile: why not suggest Logo whilst you;re at it? 18:55 PenguinDad Good ol' logo :D 18:55 exio4 john_minetest, pointers? classes? visibility? 18:55 iqualfragile friti: bc logo is horrible 18:55 exio4 pointers? noone is learning C here 18:55 Krock rubenwardy, from where... oh yes, you saw me on the advertise on YT, playing with toys.. 18:55 exio4 classes? who the hell would learn OOP? 18:55 Jonuz john_minetest: same here:-D 18:55 friti But logo has a turtle too! 18:56 Jonuz OPP is best 18:56 exio4 visibility? lexical scope is kinda "intuitive" 18:56 * jin_xi is sorry for all the guys who think java or c++ are oop 18:56 Krock I <3 things which have a compression radio of 99% 18:56 Krock *ratio 18:56 exio4 Jonuz, yeah, if you're coding in Java where it is the only way to solve any problem decently because the lack of expresiveness of your language 18:56 rainbowdash___ i have a lego ev3 18:56 exio4 john_minetest, functional programming is really abstract 18:57 friti rainbowdash___: Do whatever you like to do. It's the best way to become good at what you do. 18:57 iqualfragile Jonuz: oop sucks, most of the time 18:57 PenguinDad <3 Functional programming 18:57 iqualfragile you only need it for really large projects 18:57 exio4 it is a nice DSL overused everywhere 18:57 Hobodium Pick a language and realize you should focus on concepts. Mastery of languages comes later and is nowhere near as important. You can always learn another language once you know what the heck programming actually is. 18:57 rainbowdash___ agreed friti 18:57 iqualfragile its damn stupid to use it for everything 18:57 iqualfragile java sucks 18:57 jin_xi iqualfragile: ever tried real oop, squeak or so? 18:57 iqualfragile jin_xi: can you solve real life problems with that? 18:57 jin_xi its kinda more than just the verbosity that java et al make it look like 18:57 Krock I've got some LEGO ©®™, too. 18:57 iqualfragile (no have not) 18:58 jin_xi yes 18:58 exio4 Hobodium, have to agree, but starting with an "easier" syntax is a neat way to start 18:58 iqualfragile rainbowdash___: http://www.learnpython.org/ try this 18:58 exio4 I've to say though, that I got my first concepts of programming with pascal :P 18:59 jin_xi idk i think minetest with its simple modding api, young audience and lua as the language of choice makes a fun learning environment 18:59 exio4 wish I started with a "functional" language, even if it wasn't a pure one like Scheme 19:00 sruz25 rainbowdash___: http://www.learnpython.org/ try this <--------THIS 19:00 friti rainbowdash___: You are learning to program at treehouse.com, right? Have you been doing that for long? 19:00 exio4 jin_xi, you can have nice OOP, the problem is that if you say any "average" programmer what OOP means to them, they'll say lot of things that are actually worthless in any expressive language 19:00 exio4 s/you say any/you ask any/ 19:01 sruz25 python is a good starting language, and it's used in praxis as well 19:01 rainbowdash___ for abot a copoul fo years 19:01 friti And rainbowdash___, you said you are homeschooled, is programming part of your lesson plan? 19:01 iqualfragile i started somewhere between java and c#, they sucked, did a bit of stuff with freepascal, sucked, too (they have a horrible compiler, does not optimize var+=1 into an inc) 19:01 iqualfragile then i looked at python and was happy 19:02 * Krock double-clicks on mt_compile.bat 19:02 iqualfragile Krock: http://goodbye-microsoft.com/ 19:02 * exio4 gives iqualfragile a fresh install of GHC 19:02 rainbowdash___ i see you found my post on the forum 19:03 friti rainbowdash___: Who did? 19:03 * DusXMT likes C, it has a nice compiler (gcc) which runs on almost anything on any OS, and it's powerful 19:03 rainbowdash___ rubenwardy 19:04 Krock http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2207737 19:04 Krock !title 19:04 MinetestBot No title found. 19:04 Krock k. 19:04 exio4 DusXMT, have you tried coding in Haskell? 19:04 exio4 that is my lovely language right now, even its community is awesome 19:04 exio4 it is a gateway drug to dependant typing anyway :P 19:04 DusXMT exio4: No, but I've heared it's a nice language. I'm aiming at Scheme and Pascal atm :) 19:06 exio4 DusXMT, do you have some free time the next months? proglang in coursera (https://www.coursera.org/course/proglang) is an amazing FP course and goes from SML to Racket (basically Scheme) and then Ruby 19:07 sruz25 exio4: I've tried it. Strong type is really annoying thing until you get used to it 19:07 exio4 you even implement a small "interpreter" of a tiny language! 19:07 DusXMT exio4: Unfortunately, no. My schedule is full, I haven't even gotten to playing Minetest yet, but I will soon :) 19:07 TBC_x i found untyped languages pretty useful 19:07 DusXMT But I'll definitely bookmark it 19:08 * DusXMT is a fan of strong typing, helps with debugging 19:08 exio4 strong typing is useful for reducing "silly errors" 19:08 exio4 and REALLY helps with refactoring 19:09 rainbowdash___ my post is on the general dicuusin titled what can we do to improve minetest 19:10 DusXMT rainbowdash___: play it, see what's not working/what you think could be done better, and either let us know or try fixing it yourself 19:10 exio4 john_minetest, less abstracted programming? why would you want to do that without any specific reason? 19:11 _Esteban Hi peeps! Im paasing by to inform that theres some spamming on the general discussion thread: https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=10162 19:11 rubenwardy back :/ 19:11 _Esteban passing* 19:11 TBC_x untyped language like FORTH is really easy to debug 19:12 exio4 I'd love to see languages more languages like Idris 19:12 exio4 general purpose languages with dependant types 19:13 _Esteban Well, the threads were removed, thanks moderators! 19:13 * sfan5 meows at _Esteban 19:13 rainbowdash__ hi im back 19:13 * _Esteban meows at sfan5 19:13 * john_minetest gives sfan5 a bowl of milk 19:13 rubenwardy I made a language. Heavily inspired by befungr. http://github.com/rubenwardy/beruben 19:13 * sfan5 noms the boal 19:14 * john_minetest gives _Esteban a <'(((-< 19:14 _Esteban gtg 19:14 * PenguinDad mews at _Esteban :3 19:14 exio4 I should upload the language interpreter I wrote to github 19:14 _Esteban xD 19:14 _Esteban cya later peeps! Ill be back once I finish studying! 19:15 TBC_x Idris looks interesting 19:15 TBC_x it even has extensible syntax 19:15 exio4 TBC_x, you can think of Haskell as the gateway drug to Idris :) 19:17 exio4 john_minetest, I think "abstract thinking" is harder than "connecting the pieces together" 19:18 rubenwardy so yeah 19:19 TBC_x I hate those abstractions often found in java code 19:21 TBC_x it makes tracing program flow almost impossible 19:22 TBC_x you see ClassA.execute() 19:22 TBC_x i mean ObjectA.execute() 19:22 TBC_x then you find that it is of type InterfaceA 19:23 TBC_x which have ten implementing classes 19:23 TBC_x each is abstract 19:24 exio4 TBC_x, that isn't abstraction 19:24 exio4 that is useless boilerplate 19:24 kaeza I should upload the language interpreter I wrote to github 19:24 * kaeza is interested 19:25 exio4 heh, I don't have it right now, it is in my desktop, but I've an example .mupl file 19:25 * sfan5 cats at exio4 19:25 kaeza inb4 yet another variant of haskell/go/ 19:26 kaeza why does nobody like C? :< 19:26 exio4 it is a superset of an "untyped lambda calculus" 19:26 exio4 I love C 19:26 exio4 but FP is like, a lovely thing 19:27 exio4 kaeza, http://dpaste.com/0QSHA35 19:28 exio4 all functions take a single param, "?" is the if 19:28 exio4 ? condition $ true-expr $ false-expr 19:28 exio4 I also have the "draft" LBNF of the language :P 19:29 rubenwardy that is crazy 19:29 exio4 what is crazy? 19:29 TBC_x that's like deobfuscated brainfuck 19:30 * Jordach reads FP as Front Page Extensions 19:30 exio4 john_minetest, composing functions for getting useful results 19:30 exio4 Jordach, Functional Programming! 19:31 exio4 TBC_x, it is a untyped language! 19:31 exio4 90% 90% :P 19:32 exio4 john_minetest, "new ways of combining objects"? 19:32 exio4 isn't function composition enough for most things? 19:32 jojoa1997 I am soooo fing mad 19:32 exio4 (add monads and you've got a nice thing) 19:32 jojoa1997 I hate Florida and the heavy rain soaking my backpack and ruining my notes! 19:33 exio4 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZhuHCtR3xq8 19:34 exio4 john_minetest, why is Scene calling "Room"? 19:35 jojoa1997 Does anyone here build Minetest on windows? 19:35 exio4 john_minetest, why is even that "datatype" calling other "datatype" by itself? 19:36 exio4 true, abused domain specific language 19:36 exio4 also known as "OOP" 19:36 ShadowNinja john_minetest: No, but BlockMen does. 19:37 exio4 if you had inheritance you would end with this: https://github.com/EnterpriseQualityCoding/FizzBuzzEnterpriseEdition 19:38 exio4 john_minetest, why do you even need classes though 19:38 rubenwardy jojoa1997: no. set up a VM, or dual boot. It'll make life easier. 19:38 jojoa1997 rubenwardy no 19:40 exio4 I don't listen to people say "Hey man, I've coded an awesome game in SQL, it rocks!" 19:40 jojoa1997 Hey man, I've coded an awesome game in SQL, it rocks! 19:40 jojoa1997 Also what is SQL? 19:40 kaeza :| 19:40 exio4 and then adding "The engine is written in TeX" 19:40 jojoa1997 The engine is written in TeX 19:41 jojoa1997 also what is TeX? 19:41 jojoa1997 I have no idea what I am saying. 19:41 exio4 because they're awesome in their domains doesn't mean you should overuse them everywhere 19:41 * sfan5 meows at exio4 19:42 exio4 jojoa1997, programming languages 19:42 jojoa1997 I knew that 19:42 jojoa1997 I just dont know what they are good at 19:42 exio4 mainly SQL for managing data, TeX for writing papers 19:43 kaeza TeX is for DBs and SQL for rendering graphics 19:43 kaeza oh lag :< 19:43 exio4 <3 19:44 kaeza at least you can make a raycaster in POVRay <_< 19:46 rubenwardy1 jojoa1995: are you jealous of my cmake . && make -j3? 19:46 exio4 john_minetest, would anyone even code some "real game" with it? 19:46 exio4 rubenwardy1, -j7 here 19:46 rubenwardy1 how hard would it be to make an exe that set everything up for you on windows? 19:46 exio4 e^(+inf) 19:47 jojoa1997 rubenwardy1 I used ubuntu for a long time now and I love how cmake . && make -j2 makes compiling scriptable 19:47 jojoa1997 But I cant make an exe :P 19:47 jojoa1997 also my name is jojoa1997 not jojoa1995 19:48 kaeza lel 19:48 exio4 is the link I pasted that hard to understand? 19:48 exio4 http://dpaste.com/0QSHA35 :( 19:49 exio4 expr = a = b | expr 19:49 exio4 expr | ? expr $ expr $ expr ... 19:49 exio4 <- is function calling, -> is function definition 19:49 Krock I love msbuild bin\minetest.sln :) 19:49 kaeza int foo(int bar, int baz) { return bar+baz; } /* is is that hard? :< */ 19:50 kaeza s/is is/is it/ 19:50 rainbowdash__ hi im back 19:50 Krock wb? 19:53 rainbowdash__ hi 19:53 redblade77 hi 19:54 redblade77 i tried switching from the minetest in the ubuntu/mint repository (0.4.9) to the 0.4.10 repository and i get this error 19:54 redblade77 terminate called after throwing an instance of 'SocketException' 19:54 redblade77 what(): Failed to create socket 19:54 redblade77 Aborted 19:55 Krock ubuntu could be the problem #do_not_take_me_seriously 19:55 redblade77 I noticed that a lot of stuff on the wiki was not available to 0.4.9 (TNT, etc) and wanted to try upgrading to 0.5.0 19:55 Krock 0.5.0 doesn't exist 19:56 redblade77 actually i got rid of all the minetest-related packages and auto-removable libraries 19:56 redblade77 then installed the official 0.5.0 repository 19:56 Krock wut? 19:56 Krock there's no 0.5.0 version of minetest 19:56 redblade77 http://minetest.net/download 19:56 redblade77 https://code.launchpad.net/~minetestdevs/+archive/stable 19:57 redblade77 0.4.10 sorry 19:57 redblade77 lol 19:57 Krock ... 19:57 redblade77 i know when i was playing multiplayer for a while (which i'm not doing anymore) almost all servers had the 0.4.10 19:58 Krock 0.4.10 stable of in-developement? 19:59 redblade77 should i try reinstalling the old minetest (so as to trigger the data and mod packages and library dependencies) and install 0.4.10 on top of it 19:59 redblade77 ? 19:59 redblade77 well a lot of the stuff in the wiki is not available in 0.4.9 19:59 redblade77 (TNT, etc) 19:59 redblade77 (obsidian glass doors) 19:59 Krock that's not minetest core/versio releated 20:00 Krock it's just an update in the (sub)game, in Lua. 20:00 redblade77 ok 20:00 Krock just to make that clear 20:00 redblade77 so how do i get the stuff in the wiki not apparently available? 20:01 * Krock calls sfan5 20:04 sruz25 the wiki really should be more "vocal" about "games" 20:05 sruz25 some downloader within launcher would be better of course 20:07 * Jordach summons the reddit self.text 20:07 * Krock uploads an image 20:07 Krock http://i.imgur.com/HOGWLVa.jpg 20:07 Jordach https://www.reddit.com/r/Minetest/comments/2gqcai/i_made_a_minetest_launcher/ 20:08 Jordach wooo 20:09 * Jordach kinda likes the quirky-ness of BI autonormals 20:09 Krock Jordach, wow. so hard work for this laucher... a 30-minute job is what he did 20:09 Jordach much work, such easy, wow 20:10 Jordach >Spotify Radio >80s >2011 remaster 20:10 Jordach i call bullshit 20:10 Krock remastered is worse than original 20:10 Jordach star wars comes to mind 20:11 Krock mhm are MT forums under DDoS attack? 20:11 Krock ah it loads again 20:12 Jordach https://cdn.mediacru.sh/SWNKB-Q4nOYa.png ಠ_ಠ20:12 Jordach i heard you like auto bumpmaps https://cdn.mediacru.sh/xQA5Yp0LvrfB.png 20:12 Krock looks 3d 20:18 PenguinDad Jordach: yes I like them 20:24 JTE_ mmmmmm 20:25 Krock yummy? 20:25 JTE_ delicious bathroom floor tile effect over everything. owo 20:26 Hobodium I was thinking stucco ceiling 20:28 bjrohan VanessaE: hi there, I install the HDX 512 normals, and after restarting my game, the image for my ladder is now gone. It appears the ladder is there as I can climnb on it, but I can't see it, any sugestions? 20:29 Krock Sokomine, I'd like to answer to your mod but it's just - it's just a good mod. nothing more to say. congrats for this work :) 20:29 bjrohan VanessaE: with the normals it loos VERY nice 20:30 Jordach bjrohan, i've ran it before, at the cost of a near deadlocked system on her Dreambuilder servers 20:31 Jordach (6.5GB RAM used x64 Win8, 15GB+ x64 Linux) 20:31 bjrohan Jordach: I'm not understanding what you mean about deadlocked 20:31 Jordach https://cdn.mediacru.sh/3bec5wiK1Tp7.png 20:32 Jordach https://cdn.mediacru.sh/r-ZACzyRYHJq.png 20:33 Krock ^ 3x more RAM than me 20:33 Jordach at that point everything was either stopped responding or OOM'd 20:34 Jordach (Swap is limited to 2048mb on my system) 20:34 * sfan5 meows at Jordach 20:34 bjrohan IC 20:34 friti "[12:26:13] [[ kaeza ]] why does nobody like C? :<" Prolly the same reason why people don;t like B (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/B_(programming_language)) 20:35 Jordach tl;dr my APU can do far more than the shitty APUs seen on the XB1, PS4 20:35 bjrohan It appears that I can not break up my chest or furnace either, they keep re apepearing after I break them to move them 20:35 Jordach bjrohan, you need to empty them completly 20:36 bjrohan Oh, :-) 20:36 Jordach stops people digging it and taking it, at least they have to work for it 20:36 Jordach hai der LemonLake 20:36 Jordach :2 20:36 Jordach :3 :3 20:37 LemonLake Hello, Jordach 20:39 * Jordach starts rendering 20:39 LemonLake What are you rendering? 20:39 Jordach "Coffee" 20:40 Jordach read: not hot coffee from GTA: SA 20:40 Jordach https://cdn.mediacru.sh/JYofkPs1LRST.png 20:40 LemonLake Why would I get that idea? 20:40 Jordach because internetr 20:40 Jordach -r 20:40 LemonLake That's pretty neat. 20:41 Jordach in fact it's a near 1:1 clone of the room i'm sitting in, including the t-shirt 20:42 sslb anyone here own rust and/or dayz? 20:42 TBC_x rust? isn't that a programming language? 20:43 sslb yes, but it is also a game 20:49 TBC_x 2GB is really little for x86_64 20:50 Sokomine krock: thanks. that happens to many mods. they're good, and we happily use them and seldom think about thanking their authors. but mine... i don't know yet if it's good. needs further testing. and some of the ideas are from other mods :-) 20:50 TBC_x have to invoke OOM killer kinda often 20:55 redblade77 i am bleak_fire_ 20:56 bleak_fire_ hi 20:56 bleak_fire_ so i need this launcher, which only works in windows, in order to get the tnt, obsidian glass, etc? 20:56 sfan5 no 20:56 sfan5 you don't _need_ any launcher 20:57 bleak_fire_ so why don't i have those objects available? 20:58 bleak_fire_ is it the fact that i'm in single-player mode? 20:58 sfan5 which version did you download? 20:58 sfan5 no 20:58 bleak_fire_ the one in the ubuntu/mint repository 20:58 bleak_fire_ i tried using the minetest-devs but it didnt work (see above) 20:58 sfan5 which ubuntu version? 20:58 bleak_fire_ linuxmint kde 64-bit v17 20:59 bleak_fire_ it uses the ubuntu repositories and adds some stuff 20:59 bleak_fire_ from its own repositories 20:59 sfan5 which version of the ubuntu repos does it use? 20:59 bleak_fire_ 0.4.9 20:59 bleak_fire_ oh the ubuntu repos? 20:59 sfan5 0.4.9 is not the latest release 21:00 sfan5 <bleak_fire_18> i tried using the minetest-devs but it didnt work (see above) 21:00 sfan5 see where? 21:00 Jordach bleak_fire_, https://launchpad.net/~minetestdevs/+archive/ubuntu/daily-builds 21:00 Jordach https://launchpad.net/~minetestdevs/+archive/ubuntu/stable 21:00 bleak_fire_ trusty 21:00 Jordach trusty is availible for your system 21:01 bleak_fire_ i did that jordach and got the dependency problems (see above) 21:01 sfan5 where above? 21:01 sfan5 oh 21:01 sfan5 I see it 21:01 Jordach execute: 21:01 Jordach sudo apt-get install build-essential libirrlicht-dev cmake libbz2-dev libpng12-dev libjpeg8-dev libxxf86vm-dev libgl1-mesa-dev libsqlite3-dev libogg-dev libvorbis-dev libopenal-dev libcurl4-gnutls-dev libfreetype6-dev 21:01 Jordach and its non -dev variants 21:02 Jordach (been a while since i installed a Linux based disty) 21:02 sfan5 bleak_fire_: looks like this is your only option: https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=3837 21:03 bleak_fire_ will that prevent the release libraries from being in residual config? 21:03 sfan5 release libraries? 21:03 Jordach u wot m8 21:03 sfan5 Jordach: fite me 1v1 m8 21:03 Jordach i'll shrekt you 21:03 Jordach quickscopes only 21:04 bleak_fire_ i compiled the game from source when i used slackware some months ago 21:04 bleak_fire_ everything worked then 21:04 bleak_fire_ sfan5: the non "-dev" 21:04 sfan5 bleak_fire_: installing the -dev packages will not cause any problems 21:05 bleak_fire_ no i just want to prevent the autoremove from deleting the dependencies of the removed 0.4.9 21:05 sfan5 oh 21:05 sfan5 I don't think it will remove the deps when you install -dev packages 21:06 bleak_fire_ ok 21:08 Jordach https://cdn.mediacru.sh/tSKeNBfKYrF1.png mmm, dat reflection 21:09 TBC_x haha, don't spill your drink 21:12 bleak_fire_ nope still get the socket error 21:13 bleak_fire_ i got rid of the autoremove though by adding the -dev packages 21:14 bleak_fire_ if i run the script you sent me for minecraft-git, will it be compatible with the stuff in my .minetest folder from 0.4.9? 21:15 bleak_fire_ i have a town and would hate to see it go away. but i can always do it again 21:15 bleak_fire_ i remember doing the portable or something like it when i had slackware (because slackware isn't multilib compliant) 21:17 Jordach bleak_fire_, yes 21:18 bleak_fire_ ok here goes 21:20 bleak_fire_ ok it loaded, all the mods are gone but i wasn't using any and can install them from the site 21:22 bleak_fire_ i see checking "public server" doesn't crash the game anymore 21:22 JTE_ giant fingers are creepy :< 21:22 JTE_ salad fingers, even 21:29 twoelk Jordach: cool pic, maybe blurring the background a little as in out of focus, might add a little more sense of depth 21:30 Jordach https://cdn.mediacru.sh/cR1yNO1LVZZ8.png 21:35 kaeza giant fingers are creepy :< --> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mano_de_Punta_del_Este 21:37 JTE_ aaaaa ;~; 21:39 nupacloud Hi, I have a technical question 21:39 nupacloud I can't figure out how to install Carbone on linux 21:39 nupacloud I went to ~/.minetext and there's no folder for it 21:39 nupacloud er 21:39 nupacloud ~/.minetest even 21:40 nupacloud I only have /cache, /client, and /worlds. 21:40 TBC_x do mkdir ~/.minetest/games 21:40 nupacloud oh, do you just have to put it there manually 21:40 TBC_x if carbone is a game 21:40 TBC_x yes 21:40 nupacloud because on windows I think it auto-generated 21:40 nupacloud I wasn't sure if the folder was somewhere else 21:40 nupacloud okay 21:41 kaeza under Windows, the package already contains sub-games, so it already has a "games" folder 21:41 nupacloud why doesn't the linux version? 21:41 kaeza under Linux, there are usually "engine" and "game" packages 21:42 nupacloud also, it looks like the linux version only has icons to switch games, but on windows I got a nice drop-down menu 21:42 TBC_x the linux version installs bundled games in /usr/share/minetest/games 21:42 nupacloud I must say I didn't expect any significant differences in the UI 21:42 nupacloud but okay 21:43 kaeza also, Windows version is not really "multiuser" (i.e. it saves everything in its folder, instead of the per-user `AppData`) 21:43 TBC_x but you don't want to add in /usr/share anything 21:43 nupacloud I sort of like the game existing in its own little directory 21:43 nupacloud but okay 21:44 kaeza so if you compile yourself, you can make a "portable" (or "run in place") build. it is self-contained, and deleting the directory removes everything 21:44 kaeza -so 21:44 nupacloud ah, okay 21:45 nupacloud but there's no package for that because packages are designed more for installing system software? 21:45 kaeza yep, but it's easy to compile yourself 21:45 nupacloud oh, also, my friend who has the windows version says he found api docs bundled with it 21:45 nupacloud that sounds useful 21:45 nupacloud where can I find those? 21:46 kaeza github.com/minetest/minetest 21:46 kaeza under doc/lua_api.txt 21:46 nupacloud no I mean, where do they install to by default? 21:46 nupacloud are they also in the /usr/ space? 21:46 kaeza I'd guess /usr/share somewhere, but not sure 21:47 nupacloud odd 21:47 nupacloud there is no /usr/share/minetest 21:48 nupacloud where are the bundled games being stored? 21:48 kaeza does `locate minetest_game` give something? 21:49 nupacloud ah 21:49 nupacloud it does, thank you 21:49 nupacloud \/usr/share/games/minetest 21:49 TBC_x you can copy the contents of games folder over 21:49 kaeza np :) 21:50 TBC_x where does it search for mods first? 21:50 TBC_x is it ~/.minetest or somewhere else? 21:51 nupacloud I created ~/.minetest/games manually and put carbone there 21:51 nupacloud and it registered in the launcher 21:51 nupacloud so I guess that's fine 21:51 VanessaE nupacloud: it's not a launcher. 21:51 VanessaE just fyi. 21:51 kaeza it's a feature! 21:51 VanessaE haha 21:52 VanessaE nupacloud: Minetest is an engine, so when you see something mentioning a game it's really a cohesive pack of mods and content written in Lua. The engine is already running before you even select a game/world :-) 21:53 TBC_x it needs more clear terminology for users tho 21:53 VanessaE TBC_x: we call then "subgames" normally. 21:53 VanessaE to differentiate them from a "game" you would normally download and run alone 21:54 nupacloud I added a line to the wiki saying that you have to create the directory yourself 21:54 VanessaE nupacloud: good idea 21:54 nupacloud because knowing that would have solved this whole problem for me 21:54 nupacloud nice captcha btw 21:54 VanessaE nupacloud: that captcha should DIE. :P 21:54 nupacloud although the first time I failed it because there was a pic that could have been either a cat or a particularly badly photographed ferret 21:54 VanessaE I like cats, but I HATE that captcha :P 21:54 nupacloud some of these photos are not clear enough 21:54 nupacloud yeah 21:55 Hobodium Wait, what uses the catcha now? 21:55 TBC_x sometimes i get need to make a bot to solve captchas for me so i don't have to bother... but then i get too lazy before i do something 21:55 Hobodium I want to see this 21:55 LemonLake TBC_x: the whole point of captchas is to prevent bots... 21:55 nupacloud the captcha for editing pages on the wiki without making an account 21:56 nupacloud says "identify the cats in these photos" 21:56 nupacloud also TBC_x if you can make a bot that solves this captcha then they'll HAVE to get rid of it 21:57 SoniEx2 so 21:57 SoniEx2 M$ vs Minetest? 21:57 TBC_x Minetest won't sell you out 21:57 kaeza not this again 21:57 nupacloud hey can I change my password on a server 21:57 SoniEx2 M$ owns MC trademark 21:57 TBC_x SoniEx2: so? 21:57 nupacloud SoniEx2: 17:58:06 not this again 21:58 nupacloud SoniEx2: this is an indication that we have already argued about this at length and do not wish to do so again 21:58 SoniEx2 oh ok 21:58 SoniEx2 logs? 21:58 nupacloud I dunno I wasn't here 21:58 kaeza /topic 21:58 nupacloud oh hey there's a logs link 21:58 nupacloud nifty 21:59 nupacloud http://irc.minetest.ru/minetest/2014-09-10#i_3906270 21:59 nupacloud that's probably the one you want 22:03 kaeza SoniEx2, also, https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=10103 | https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=10098 | https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=10118 22:12 * Megaf likes this song https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cFf85n-Im8Q 22:13 nupacloud So, I'm getting an error on linux that I definitely didn't on windows 22:13 nupacloud and that error is that carbone won't load 22:14 TBC_x maybe missing dependencies 22:14 nupacloud ModError: Failed to load and run /home/nicholas/.minetest/games/calinou-carbone/mods/xban/init.lua 22:14 Hobodium it's the - 22:14 TBC_x use pastebin 22:14 TBC_x for more lines 22:14 nupacloud pastebin what 22:14 nupacloud where would the error be logged to 22:14 Hobodium You should rename the folder, the error should mention only using a-z A-Z and a couple other characters 22:15 SoniEx2 ok so don't worry about minetest 22:15 SoniEx2 got it 22:15 SoniEx2 cya then 22:15 SoniEx2 be safe 22:15 SoniEx2 o/ 22:16 kaeza Hobodium, subgame dirs don't need to be renamed 22:17 kaeza nupacloud, there should be a file named `debug.txt` in ~/.minetest, ~/, or the current directory 22:17 nupacloud found it 22:17 nupacloud renaming the subdir didn't help btw 22:17 kaeza there should be some lines at the end like "ERROR: ..." 22:18 TBC_x has anyone experience with javascript? 22:18 nupacloud http://pastebin.com/8M01eRfX 22:19 Hobodium Ah, sorry about that then. I thought I'd try to help since there was a lot of questions with the same problem I had when I first came in. 22:19 kaeza >18:17:54: ERROR[main]: /home/nicholas/.minetest/games/carbone/mods/xban/conf.lua:10: attempt to call global 'Settings' (a nil value) 22:19 kaeza which minetest version are you using again? 22:19 nupacloud the linux one 22:19 kaeza (engine) 22:19 nupacloud 1.4.7 I think 22:19 nupacloud is this code that would only work in 1.4.6? 22:19 kaeza >.7 ;_; 22:19 nupacloud it worked in windows 22:20 nupacloud anyway I'm just gonna try removing this mod for now and see what happens 22:20 nupacloud I don't anticipate having to ban anyone tonight 22:21 kaeza no no no, get the latest (0.4.10-dev). see here for details: https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=898 22:21 kaeza (or just remove `xban`) 22:22 nupacloud sonofa... 22:22 kaeza I think this link is better: https://code.launchpad.net/~minetestdevs/+archive/ubuntu/daily-builds/+packages 22:22 nupacloud it's complaining the same way about every mod in the folder it seems 22:22 nupacloud one at a time 22:22 nupacloud but yeah I'll try getting the latest one 22:22 nupacloud silly me working on stable versions of any open source project ever :) 22:22 kaeza yes, 0.4.7 is like 2 years old 22:23 kaeza >_> 22:23 nupacloud it's been two years and you haven't pushed a new stable release? 22:23 nupacloud where do you even go to do that 22:25 kaeza hey! at least they updated from 0.3.1 after all! 22:25 kaeza +the time 22:25 * blaise attacks PilzAdam with massive rubber chickens 22:27 blaise there's nothing wrong with minetest-0.4.10.0 22:27 blaise well, I mean 22:27 blaise I use xban and have no problems 22:27 VanessaE nupacloud: we can't control what versions are on the official Ubuntu repos, only what's on the PPA 22:28 nupacloud I'm on Linux Mint, and I don't know which ubuntu version matches me 22:28 nupacloud I think I'll just try to build from source 22:28 VanessaE same diff. it's all debian at the root of it 22:28 VanessaE building from sources is easy 22:29 TBC_x you need to install all the -dev packages tho 22:29 blaise so, f***miner is supposedly with much less lag than vanilla minetest.. eh? 22:29 VanessaE nupacloud: that one-liner you were pointed to on the forum earlier is the best way 22:30 TBC_x network lag? 22:30 VanessaE wait, that was bleak_fire who was pointed. 22:30 blaise TBC_x: no. 22:30 VanessaE https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=3837 <--- this 22:30 TBC_x fps? 22:30 blaise no. 22:30 TBC_x then what lag? 22:30 blaise server latency 22:30 TBC_x that's network lag 22:30 blaise as in minetest core 22:30 blaise no, it's not 22:31 VanessaE map generator lag? 22:31 blaise the time in which it takes a peice of software to execute instruction is not network latency. 22:31 VanessaE oh wait.. 22:31 TBC_x oh that thing 22:31 VanessaE you're talking about that other sandbox game.. proller's game :P 22:32 blaise yeah, all high and mighty clames of being able to host 100+ users on 8088's with 640k ram 22:32 VanessaE yeah, he claims to have ways in there of managing lag caused by slow mods 22:32 blaise with no lag 22:32 blaise so I'm going to check it out and see 22:33 VanessaE speak of the devil 22:33 blaise lmao 22:33 TBC_x damn... can't get my javascript thing working because it claims that function is not a function 22:33 VanessaE I swear, he watches the logs 22:33 * blaise prods proller with a frozen foot long hotdog 22:34 VanessaE TBC_x: well what is it then, a class? ;) 22:34 nupacloud there's like two dozen packages listed here 22:34 nupacloud do I want minetest or minetest-c55? 22:34 VanessaE nupacloud: forget everything you've read. 22:34 TBC_x typedef says it is undefined 22:34 TBC_x but i defined it! 22:34 VanessaE nupacloud: forget all of the above and just do this instead: https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=3837 22:35 blaise minetest 22:35 blaise minetest-c55 is the OLD name 22:35 * blaise shrugs 22:36 TBC_x I'm attempting to modify the thing at https://tomcc.github.io/2014/08/31/visibility-2.html so it doesn't look behind corners 22:36 VanessaE except Calinou's "one" liner doesn't build with cURL, so the server list wouldn't work then 22:36 TBC_x will land it in mt eventually 22:36 TBC_x i hope it's not a waste of time 22:36 blaise damn build scripts are dirty as hell 22:37 TBC_x that's nothing 22:37 blaise gcc-4.9.2 is complaining like crazy 22:37 TBC_x had to build a SDL with freetype and libagar for a decade old kernel & glibc 22:38 nupacloud we'll see how this goes 22:38 blaise TBC_x: why didn't you just compile a modern kernel? 22:38 nupacloud when I was trying to build earlier I got complaints about my sound libraries 22:38 proller blaise, wat? 22:38 VanessaE TBC_x: it's an interesting algorithm 22:38 * blaise buries proller in a metric ton of rubber chickens 22:38 VanessaE TBC_x: and his mouse tracking is irritating as fuck too :P 22:38 TBC_x blaise: well... i don't know what a moder kernel would do to that PXA 22:39 blaise PXA ? 22:39 TBC_x an ARM board 22:39 blaise ah 22:39 TBC_x i think it is ARMv5 22:40 TBC_x VanessaE: I messed up my algorithm so i'm turning it into an animation to take a closer look 22:40 blaise I got linux-3.3.8 running on a MIPS 24Kc V7.4 22:40 blaise :D 22:40 TBC_x would be good for educational purpose too 22:41 TBC_x hm... i think there is a 2.6.14 kernel? 22:41 blaise I would love to get my hands on a RiSC Whetstone machine 22:43 TBC_x http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MCST-4R 22:43 TBC_x I think the CPU has also type checking 22:45 TBC_x or it was this one? http://itresident.com/hardware/us-is-no-longer-cpu-empire-elbrus-4c/ 22:46 blaise remember those pci daughterboards for 586 and older 22:46 blaise where you could add as many cpu's as you had expansion slots? 22:48 TBC_x 50 GFLOPS at 800 MHz 22:49 TBC_x and 45 w TPD 22:49 blaise BogoMIPS: 452.19 22:49 blaise 7 watts at full load 22:50 blaise 15 mA 22:50 blaise :D 22:50 blaise 22:50:45 up 100 days, 23:01, load average: 0.00, 0.01, 0.04 22:51 nupacloud I dunno what I fucked up, but 22:51 nupacloud "You can run Minetest again by double-clicking "minetest" in the "bin" folder of the "minetest" folder in your home folder." 22:51 nupacloud there is no such thing 22:51 nupacloud it ran Minetest once but I can't find it to run it again 22:51 blaise lol 22:52 blaise try "locate minetest" in the console 22:52 blaise or a terminal 22:52 VanessaE which one of the two did you use, nupacloud ? 22:52 VanessaE the portable or the non? 22:52 blaise if it finds nothing then updatedb && locate minetest 22:52 nupacloud the non 22:52 blaise I'm guessing he is running in place 22:52 VanessaE nupacloud: /usr/local/bin/minetest 22:53 blaise since it's not in the path 22:53 nupacloud also, it looks like it tried to use something in the trash folder 22:53 nupacloud so I'm emptying my trash 22:53 nupacloud and trying again 22:53 blaise you have a, trash folder? 22:53 nupacloud WARNING: system-wide share found at "/home/nicholas/.local/share/Trash/files/minetest/minetest/bin/.." 22:53 VanessaE ignore that. 22:53 blaise lol 22:53 TBC_x is that minetest you compiled? 22:54 blaise chmod u-r /home/nicholas/.local/share/Trash/files/minetest/minetest/bin/.. 22:54 nupacloud when I installed this the first time it located some stuff from a different folder when I was compiling manually 22:54 blaise lmao 22:54 VanessaE damn it Calinou...fix your instructions :P 22:54 nupacloud this one-liner seems to be pretty generous with its auto-detect 22:54 TBC_x you cd into the directory you built mt in 22:54 VanessaE nupacloud: minetest should be, /usr/local/bin/minetest 22:54 TBC_x then run bin/minetest 22:55 blaise VanessaE: that should be included in the path 22:55 TBC_x or that 22:55 shadowzone VanessaE, does the plantlife mod include plant_lib? 22:55 VanessaE blaise: yeah, it should be, but he wasn't looking in the path. 22:55 TBC_x if you 'make install'ed it 22:55 VanessaE shadowzone: it does. 22:55 nupacloud it was definitely running out of the trash 22:55 shadowzone Okay. 22:55 nupacloud I just emptied my trash and re-ran the one-liner and now it's re-installing 22:55 nupacloud so yeah 22:55 nupacloud if you previously tried to build minetest yourself and then deleted it 22:55 VanessaE nupacloud: the one-liner runs from wherever your current working directory is. 22:55 nupacloud empty your trash before you run this script 22:56 nupacloud this was the global one 22:56 blaise unbelievable 22:57 VanessaE nupacloud: ignore that "system wide share" thing. you were probably cd'd into your trash folder last just before running this script. 22:57 VanessaE that's why it started out in there 22:57 VanessaE it creates its work directories wherever the shell says is "current" 22:59 VanessaE I'll make a point to tell Calinou later that this one-liner should make a proper work directory and cd to that before it starts building. 22:59 TriBlade9 Did'ja get any sleep this time VanessaE? 22:59 VanessaE TriBlade9: yep, a bit 22:59 VanessaE not enough though :-/ 23:01 TriBlade9 :/ 23:01 TBC_x now i just froze firefox with that script :P 23:01 blaise proller: your phork sure does segfault a lot.. 23:02 nupacloud ah, yes, you're right 23:02 nupacloud somehow I was working from trash 23:02 nupacloud that's not good 23:02 proller blaise, fresh master ? 23:02 VanessaE nupacloud: it happens. 23:03 nupacloud so 23:03 nupacloud where SHOULD I run this script from 23:03 nupacloud just anywhere in my home folder? 23:03 VanessaE nupacloud: it doesn't actually matter, but $HOME is as good as anywhere else 23:03 VanessaE especially if you want to keep the sources for later 23:04 VanessaE (e.g. when you want to update the engine or game) 23:04 TBC_x mkdir ~/minetest-build; cd ~/minetest-build 23:05 TBC_x and you're good 23:05 VanessaE exactly 23:05 TBC_x don't pollute your ~ 23:07 TriBlade9 I'd say to make a minetest directory, then clone to folders inside of it, so you can hvae multiple versions and forks for testing and developing 23:07 VanessaE that's how I do it. 23:07 VanessaE ~/Minetest-related/minetest_core 23:08 VanessaE ~/Minetest-related/games/minetest_game 23:08 VanessaE etc 23:08 VanessaE and then they get copied to where the system wants them to be to actually run 23:08 TriBlade9 Eg, ~/Minetest/TriBlade9-Dev, ~/Minetest/RealBadAngel-Dev 23:08 TriBlade9 Or that x] 23:09 TriBlade9 Just symlink the games and mods directory 23:09 * friti has a feeling that my script could be helpful here: http://pastebin.com/3DJ2dTU4 23:10 TriBlade9 Ooooh, nice friti :D 23:10 friti I am even using it to just start MT, even though i know that i shouldn;t do that, in case MT broke in git :-) 23:12 blaise lol 23:12 TriBlade9 O-o 23:12 TBC_x I made a script that would install bukkit server under its own user and group + setting up perms so you could modify its configs and add plugins 23:13 TBC_x could be modified for MT too 23:13 TBC_x but idk where i put it 23:14 TBC_x well... it's 1am in here 23:14 TBC_x night 23:14 friti I feel that i should make the script a tad more verbose around the two pulls, so that it will be clear *which* repo is being pulled. 23:14 TriBlade9 Night! 23:19 VanessaE bbl 23:20 blaise VanessaE: when I go to pull latest minetest dev from git, 23:20 blaise :G 23:20 blaise oh well 23:20 TriBlade9 Cyas VanessaE 23:20 blaise TriBlade9: do you know what url to pull from for latest dev release of minetest? 23:20 TriBlade9 Yes 23:20 TriBlade9 Do you want it or do you just want to know if I know? x] 23:20 friti git clone https://github.com/minetest/minetest Minetest 23:20 blaise is it just https://github.com/minetest/minetest ? 23:21 TriBlade9 http://github.com/minetest/minetest 23:21 blaise so that's not just going to pull latest stable from master? 23:21 TriBlade9 Yep 23:21 TriBlade9 That pulls the latest dev 23:21 blaise dev or stable? 23:22 blaise I guess I'll find out 23:22 blaise lmao 23:22 friti If you already have a local clone, simply use git pull. 23:22 blaise I don't.. I have minetest-0.4.10.0 23:22 blaise it was pulled via portage 23:22 Cylus blaise: It's the latest dev. 23:23 Cylus I actually don't know how to pull the latest stable .... I end up grabbing it through the Web interface. 23:24 nupacloud Just make sure you don't end up with 0.4.7 like I did 23:24 nupacloud that caused some problems 23:24 blaise lol 23:25 TriBlade9 Uggh 23:25 TriBlade9 My fork is now even more messed up 23:25 friti I just use git. Then to clone i use "git clone https://github.com/minetest/minetest Minetest". This will clone the master branch, which is constantly updated. To update the branch, just execute "git pull" from the Minetest folder that the sources were cloned into 23:26 TriBlade9 Right, but I'm on a fork 23:26 TriBlade9 And trying to rebase it onto master is a pain in the arse 23:26 friti TriBlade9: i meant that for blaise 23:26 TriBlade9 o 23:30 friti Should i refer to https://github.com/minetest/minetest as the minetest engine? 23:33 nupacloud okay, now that I've actually got stuff running 23:33 nupacloud question about usage 23:33 nupacloud how can I change the user profile that gets loaded in singleplayer? 23:34 nupacloud I'd like to be able to keep my stuff from ssp if I load a world as a server 23:37 TriBlade9 IDK if that is easily possible nupacloud 23:38 friti New version of my script, feels a little more polished to me. http://pastebin.com/D0d6hJU2 23:43 blaise ssp ? 23:55 TriBlade9 https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/1664 - Firelike, take two