Time Nick Message 00:04 VanessaE you know, it just occurred to me what those three spikes in activity might have been this morning: people waking up! 00:04 VanessaE time zones 00:04 VanessaE people wake up, flood minetest for a bit looking for minecraft alts, then that dies off as people go to school/work 00:05 VanessaE then the next flood an hour later 00:05 VanessaE and a third one and then that does it for the US 00:05 VanessaE then the afternoon flood as the UK'ers sign on 00:07 H-H-H VanessaE i went on one of your servers for the first time today and some idot built a bix around me so i couldnt move lol 00:07 H-H-H box even 00:07 VanessaE heh 00:08 VanessaE which server? 00:08 H-H-H i forgot now it was a few hrs ago :) 00:08 VanessaE free-for-all? vanilla? survival? 00:09 H-H-H i think it was survival 00:09 VanessaE ok 00:10 jray541 why is it that no matter what mod i try to load on my dedicated server it always gives me a error that it can't find a init.lua file? 00:10 VanessaE jray541: that means you probably named the mod's containing directory wrong 00:10 VanessaE it's an easy mistake, one that a lot of people make 00:12 H-H-H btw nice homedecor mod :) i use it on my lan server 00:13 VanessaE thanks :D 00:13 H-H-H all i need now is a fishing mod and i will be happy the onbe i have doesnt run :( 00:13 VanessaE there is such a mod I think, actually 00:14 VanessaE oh, you already said that 00:14 VanessaE derp 00:14 VanessaE note to self: read the whole sentence. 00:14 H-H-H yes there is but it barfs with a nill error lol 00:14 VanessaE what error? 00:14 H-H-H attempt to index global 'default' (a nil value) 00:15 VanessaE that's easy to fix. 00:15 VanessaE install minetest_game :) 00:15 VanessaE well maybe it's more than that ;P 00:15 H-H-H this is on my test system where minetest_game is run lol 00:15 VanessaE can you gimme a link to where you downloaded the failed mod from? 00:16 jray541 VanessaE: where are they supposed to be? mods folder? 00:16 H-H-H yeah sure hold on 00:16 VanessaE jray541: correct. but the name of the mod itself matters too. 00:16 H-H-H https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=62751 00:16 VanessaE jray541: for example, if a mod says "SomeonesName-foomod-master" then you need to rename it to "foomod" 00:17 jray541 VanessaE: i did that 00:18 jray541 VanessaE: it can't find something that exists. permissions maybe? 00:18 VanessaE H-H-H: I think I see the error already 00:19 VanessaE jray541: can you pastebin the exact error messages please? 00:19 H-H-H nice :) 00:20 VanessaE H-H-H: ok as I thought. in that fishing mod's folder, create a new file. depends.txt 00:20 VanessaE H-H-H: inside this file put the word, default 00:20 VanessaE save the file and try again 00:21 VanessaE H-H-H: put that depends.txt right there in the same folder as init.lua 00:21 jray541 VanessaE: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/8368546/ 00:21 VanessaE jray541: rename that mod to "mobs" 00:21 VanessaE not "simplemobs" 00:21 VanessaE jray541: also, your paste got cut off at the right margin. 00:22 H-H-H worked thanks :) 00:22 VanessaE H-H-H: cheers :) 00:22 H-H-H hovercrafts and helicopters are fun to lol 00:26 jray541 VanessaE: ok here you go http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/8368558/ 00:26 jray541 VanessaE: i renamed mobs 00:26 VanessaE ok next. 00:26 VanessaE get rid of all mesecons components. 00:27 VanessaE instead, re-install mesecons as a self-contained modpack 00:27 VanessaE treat it as one big giant mod 00:27 jray541 ok 00:27 VanessaE it's already designed to be used that way anyhow 00:28 VanessaE that's why that microcontroller calls for "effector" 00:28 VanessaE this is a function supplied by another module in the mesecons modpack :) 00:28 jray541 so how would i go about that? 00:28 VanessaE just rip out everything related to mesecons 00:28 VanessaE delete it all 00:29 VanessaE then download this file: https://github.com/Jeija/minetest-mod-mesecons/archive/master.zip 00:29 VanessaE when it comes in, unzip it. 00:29 VanessaE it should produce a folder named minetest-mod-mesecons. this is a modpack, so it doesn't matter what the foldername is. 00:30 VanessaE copy that to your mods folder. then start the client and go to your world configure menu like you did with the other mods. CLick the TOP item of the modpack only and click "Enable MP" at the top of the list. 00:30 Djohaal http://i.imgur.com/Yv5Cmn1.png 00:30 jray541 VanessaE: thank you! 00:31 VanessaE jray541: you're quite welcome. let me know when you get there. 00:31 VanessaE Djohaal: lol 00:34 est31 its funny, I never have played minecraft, and I've played MT before, but now I returned because I read of MC in the news. 00:34 H-H-H the travelnets are fun to lol 00:36 VanessaE est31: heh 00:45 jray541 VanessaE: wait, world configure menu? 00:46 VanessaE jray541: in Single Player mode when you select a world, you can click "Configure" at the bottom. 00:46 VanessaE that's how you enable mods 00:48 jray541 VanessaE: but on my vps? 00:49 VanessaE jray541: oh derp :) 00:49 VanessaE what I do on my remote server is use the worldmods folder 00:50 VanessaE minetest/worlds/Name_of_your_world/worldmods/minetest-mod-mesecons 00:50 grendal_prime ok sorry i had to bail a bit ago...motorsport shop called and i had to pick up my bike. 00:50 VanessaE if you just drop a mod or modpack into the "worldmods" folder (create it if it doesn't exist) the server will automatically start trying to use it at the next restyart 00:50 VanessaE restart* 00:51 VanessaE wb, grendal_prime 00:51 grendal_prime so ok basically i install some low resource intensive desktop like lxde or xfce and put the client on there then have them rdp into it and set up a world for the kids to play on. 00:51 VanessaE jray541: so all that stuff you do in world.mt is one way to turn them on. putting them in worldmods is another, easier way 00:51 VanessaE grendal_prime: scroll up 00:51 VanessaE there's a better way 00:51 grendal_prime see what the want is control over the resources.. they want to use this for like a civil planning type exercise. 00:53 grendal_prime ya i understand that that all the clients can act as a server..but in this scenario they want to limit what resources they students have ...also they want to pause time so because this only happens onece a week. 00:54 grendal_prime this brings the next question though. is there a way to fine tune what resources are available...like say we only wanted 1/3 of the map to be wooded? 00:55 VanessaE yes, you can tune these things, but I have never done it so I don't know how, myself 00:55 VanessaE at least not in the default mapgen 00:55 VanessaE (I wrote plants_lib, which does these kinds of things, but it's not used in anything default) 00:55 VanessaE ^^^^^^^ he would know 00:55 VanessaE but he signed off :P 00:55 VanessaE paramat, you chicken! get back here! 00:55 VanessaE :) 00:56 grendal_prime some people i tell ya 00:57 VanessaE heh 00:57 VanessaE paramat is the map gen god here. 00:57 VanessaE no one knows Lua mapgens better than him. 01:02 proller very slow lua mapgens ;) 01:02 VanessaE /kick proller 01:03 proller again bad truth ? 01:03 jray541 VanessaE: new pastebin http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/8368705/ i cp all mods into worldmods so they are still sitting there too 01:04 VanessaE textures ? 01:04 VanessaE what did you get that from? 01:05 VanessaE delete that. 01:05 jray541 VanessaE: oh i think that made its way out there when i messed up a copy 01:05 grendal_prime to give you an idea how much fun this is going to be. My son is building this server. Its a rackable 1U industrial pc with 2 core duos it and 4 gigs of ram. we need a minetest logo sticker to put across the front of it to make it look like a mintes appliance. 01:05 jray541 earlier 01:05 VanessaE yeah you'll need to nuke that 01:06 VanessaE grendal_prime: I like :) 01:06 grendal_prime we are going to well this thing in and set it on the table and lights will shine down from heaven. 01:06 grendal_prime ahhhhhhhh aaaahhhhhh ahhhhhhhh 01:07 VanessaE lol 01:07 VanessaE rofl 01:07 jray541 VanessaE: pngs for moretrees lol mv back into their home 01:07 VanessaE oops! 01:07 VanessaE skrewed up :D 01:07 VanessaE ok move that back where it goes 01:07 grendal_prime I may pipe in some Gregorian chanting in from the car 01:07 VanessaE and then try again :) 01:08 VanessaE grendal_prime: why do I get the feeling you're a Gabriel Iglesias fan? :P 01:08 grendal_prime also we are going to download the windows binarys and have them sitting on the apache server so they can http download them and install. 01:08 grendal_prime so what all should i throw on there, these will be all win7 clients im sure. 01:09 grendal_prime wham BAMN THEM KIDZ IZ PLAYEN. 01:13 VanessaE Windows clients and Dreambuilder Game ;) 01:13 VanessaE Carbone would be good too 01:13 VanessaE really though, get lots of mods 01:13 VanessaE your players will want lots of variety 01:15 jray541 VanessaE: new pastebin http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/8368745/ am i just naming the mods wrong? 01:15 VanessaE jray541: yep. 01:15 VanessaE that one should be pipeworks. 01:15 VanessaE make sure you have the VERY latest of that 01:15 VanessaE it's updated frequently 01:16 VanessaE btw we're talking in the development channel about a way to resolve this problem cleanly 01:16 VanessaE so that these naming issues cease to get in the way in the future 01:19 kaeza_ yey 01:19 VanessaE wb :) 01:19 kaeza_ /ctcp kaeza_ VERSION 01:19 kaeza_ :P 01:19 * VanessaE hands kaeza_ a 10 kg sledge to kill the modem with. 01:19 VanessaE yay! 01:20 kaeza runs slow as hell under VBox 01:20 VanessaE but at least it RUNS :) 01:21 kaeza but oh well, I can't install directly unless they can guarantee me my modem will be able to connect 01:21 VanessaE what sort of modem? 01:21 kaeza_ lies, you are lazy 01:21 VanessaE hah 01:22 VanessaE I mean, it's ethernet right? 01:22 kaeza Huawei something USB wireless dongle 01:22 VanessaE then boot up a liveCD and see if you can connect. 01:22 kaeza it used to connect my (older) huawei under the (older) Lucid Puppy 01:23 VanessaE give a current ubuntu live image a try and see what it doed 01:23 VanessaE does* 01:23 VanessaE worst case you lose an hour or so to download/write the image 01:23 kaeza neither K- nor plain Ubuntu worked 01:23 VanessaE huh. 01:23 VanessaE try xubuntu then 01:24 VanessaE XFCE Is Your Friend™ 01:24 kaeza maybe later; I have a 5GB/mo, remember? :P 01:24 VanessaE I thought you were gonna switch away from those guys? :-/ 01:25 jray541 LXDE lubuntu rocks 01:25 kaeza I am... SOON(tm) 01:25 VanessaE Soon. heh 01:26 kaeza it's actually a diff company. the other one charged 500 $UY for 4GB, these charge 100 $UY for 5GB 01:26 VanessaE well that's better anyway 01:26 VanessaE but damn. 01:26 VanessaE 5GB cap, I'd blow through that in a few days :P 01:31 grendal_prime hon hon hon (thats my dirty frenchmen impersonation) I just realized something very cool hahaha 01:32 grendal_prime this box has vne extentions. Im pretty sure i can run virtualization on the hardware level. dude... 01:33 jray541 VanessaE: does it usually take a while to load mods the first time? 01:38 VanessaE jray541: yes if you have a lot of the,m 01:39 VanessaE them* 01:39 VanessaE also make sure you turn off preload item visuals if it's on 01:39 VanessaE (Settings tab) 01:39 VanessaE otherwise it'll take an extra long time for no good reason 01:41 VanessaE jray541: the game behaves as if it's a client and server (you probably saw something about "creating server" when you started the world) so it transfers the media from the mods' folders to a central "cache" folder, just as it would were you connecting to a remote server. 01:41 VanessaE (only it's faster, obviously) 01:45 Brains VanessaE: I thought I heard that preload was broken. Is it broken and slow or broken in a way that makes it slow or should I stop listening to the voices in my head... 01:45 grendal_prime werid...what is minetestc55? 01:46 grendal_prime thats the version that is offered by the ppa i added. 01:46 grendal_prime nevermind thats 4.10 probably the one i want to use i would suppose 01:46 grendal_prime the other version of it is 4.9 01:47 VanessaE Brains: it's just that it glitches for some folks, and it doesn't really serve a useful purpose anymore. 01:47 VanessaE better to turn it off. 01:47 Brains grendal_prime: c55 is a (the?) minetest dev 01:56 grendal_prime oh should i use 4.9? 01:57 grendal_prime werid i cant run minecraft with xrdp but i can vnc into it and run it. 01:57 grendal_prime also some error on creating world 01:57 Brains 4.10 is the current version IIRC. It is certainly the one I'm using... 01:58 grendal_prime nevermind i got the world name issue worked out i had to sellect minetest 02:01 grendal_prime its up its working. the xrdp thing is bothersome. 02:02 grendal_prime vnc on this machine is horrible. screen res is to high i think 02:02 grendal_prime is there anyway to start it without actually being in the game..like host it as an observer? 02:06 jray541 VanessaE: nice it all works 02:06 jray541 thank you much 02:07 TriBlade9 Working on player movement tweaks ATM 02:22 Aika Is something wrong with public server list? 02:23 TriBlade9 I belive so Aika 02:23 TriBlade9 It's not working for me either 02:23 ShadowNinja Aika: Yep, it's having some issues. 02:23 Aika It just shows vanessae's and like 1 others 02:23 TriBlade9 Anyone want to test my movement tweaks? 02:24 Aika and liberty land itself is laggy, can the public server list make an actual server lag?? 02:24 ShadowNinja Aika: Nope. 02:24 Aika Hmm. But it seems so coincidental. haha 02:24 ShadowNinja Well, let me check... 02:24 Aika I think foreign governments are trying to take down minetest 02:25 TriBlade9 :O 02:25 Aika Someone better get it fixed though, all that revenue is lost every minute! haha 02:26 ShadowNinja Aika: It's done asynchronously, can't cause lag. 02:26 Aika k 02:26 TriBlade9 Trying to fix water sinking ATM 02:27 Aika How much of an overlap in people-types is there between minetest and anime-watchers, you think? lol 02:27 Aika Just a random question. 02:27 TriBlade9 what do you mean Aika? 02:27 Aika I'm 27, and just found out one of the most comforting and inspiration shows I've watched for two years is ending next episode, and I'm having a meltdown. lol 02:28 TriBlade9 What show? 02:28 ShadowNinja Aika: IDK, probably just about impossible to know. 02:28 Aika Also, i feel like nerdy types tend to also be more anime friendly, and therefore I thought it'd be fun to see who acknowledges they watch it too lol 02:28 Aika Hunter X Hunter 02:29 TriBlade9 I watch almost no TV shows x] 02:29 TriBlade9 Sherlock, Elementary, Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D., and Futurama. That was the entire list of TV shows I've watched 02:29 Aika It'll started when I was about 20, and i ran out of decent shows on hulu ( there weren't many, still aren't), and eventually clicked on one of the more popular animes (they had TONS, people hated that), and I've never stopped having at least 1 regular every week since lol 02:30 Aika I love sherlock, shield and futurama 02:30 TriBlade9 Elementary is Meh compared to Sherlock 02:30 TriBlade9 But it's something 02:31 Aika Can you inform me about this past season? IS it done? How many episodes? are they they same basically? 02:31 TriBlade9 They're mostly the same, except for the ones involving Moriarty/Adler. And yes, I think it's done. 02:31 TriBlade9 Oh, and the last few episodes involving Mycroft are quite different 02:32 TriBlade9 But yeah, a lot of the episodes are just him solving ANOTHER murder >_> 02:32 Aika I totally forgot I haven't seen it. I literally might go watch them right now. I love that show. 02:32 Aika HE's so bad ass, I could watch it a thousand times haha 02:32 TriBlade9 Wait 02:32 TriBlade9 Sherlock or Elementary? 02:32 Aika sherlock 02:32 TriBlade9 The above described Elementary, not Sherlock 02:32 Aika oh 02:32 TriBlade9 Sherlock is awesome 02:32 Aika sad 02:32 Aika haha 02:32 TriBlade9 Elementary has better theme music though xP 02:32 Aika Yeah, hes like a super hero in sherlock 02:33 Brains We are getting a third season of Sherlock at some point, aren't we? 02:33 TriBlade9 Yep 02:33 TriBlade9 2016 02:33 Aika Thats what i was asking about 02:33 TriBlade9 :( 02:33 Aika 2016!!!! :( 02:33 TriBlade9 Or late 2015 02:33 Aika Anyone watch Sword Art Online? Attack on Titan? 02:33 Aika lol 02:34 TriBlade9 And season 4 is coming in 2015/16, Season 3 is done 02:34 TriBlade9 I don't watch anime :P 02:34 TriBlade9 Guys, what things do you think need to be fixed with player movement? 02:34 Aika Haha, anime is super massed produced and most follow set patterns, but there's consistently like a top 5% that basically every adult I know would love 02:35 TriBlade9 Ooooh, Minetest_game is at 333 commits :D 02:36 Aika That seems low, to me, as just a casual linux user with no coding skills. Thats like every commit ever made? 02:36 TriBlade9 No, just since the repo split 02:37 TriBlade9 Anyways, I'd like someone to tell me what they think needs to be fixed with player movement, so I can see if there's anything else before I PR my branch 02:38 Aika I would comment but I haven't observed other players that much, I just started playing 3 weeks ago on a regular basis and have only played alone mostly so far 02:40 Aika So far, since I've played, I think my personal wishlist would be improving that chat, mobs, and sounds. I wish I had actual skills to do things. 02:40 TriBlade9 Playing alone is fine 02:40 TriBlade9 I'm just talking about how the players move, like jumping and stepping 02:40 TriBlade9 I've made jumping more reliable and responsive, and sinking faster 02:41 TriBlade9 I'm wondering what else could be useful (other than gradual velocity, I don't have time to do that) 02:41 Aika I always think jumping up and putting a block under myself is kind of messy 02:41 TriBlade9 Fixed :D 02:41 Aika Nice! It seems like I had to wait to jump up and fall down some before I clicked. I couldn't tell if it was my slow computer though. 02:41 TriBlade9 'cept sometimes you still place two blocks on a jump, but it was like that before my patches too 02:42 Aika When people fix things like you just did, what technical skills are you using? 02:42 TriBlade9 C++ 02:42 TriBlade9 But really, I've only changed a few numbers 02:43 TriBlade9 Do you know how to compile the game? 02:43 Aika Is it normal for games to be in C++? Aren't facebook and heavy websites in C++? 02:43 Aika Yeah I do 02:43 TriBlade9 C++ is mainly for heavy desktop applications 02:43 TriBlade9 And usually powers the servers behind websites 02:44 TriBlade9 But it's a relatively low-level language 02:44 TriBlade9 Much harder to learn than even Java (IMO) 02:44 jordan4ibanez I can't wait until people are scared by me saying "boo" "happy halloween" and "merry christmas" in reverse 02:44 TriBlade9 I'm quite bad at c++, and my job is to debug industrial systems 02:44 TriBlade9 samtsirhc yrrem! 02:45 Aika jordan4ibanez: haha wahattttt 02:45 Brains Heh, Java annoys the heck out of me but C++ never really bothered me. 02:45 Aika Ohhh. Interesting. I feel like I mainly hear about python, C, js, ruby, java, lamp-stuff. 02:45 TriBlade9 C++ has too many operators to remember 02:45 jordan4ibanez Hang on I'll upload the sounds to the github 02:45 TriBlade9 Such as ->, >>, << 02:45 Brains Bah 02:45 Aika Whats lua used for with minetest? I hear about that regarding mt 02:45 TriBlade9 jordan4ibanez, mind testing my player movement branch before I PR it? 02:45 TriBlade9 Mods 02:46 VanessaE Aika: it's the modding and game language 02:46 VanessaE it's what provides all of the content you see in-game 02:46 TriBlade9 https://github.com/TriBlade9/minetest/tree/player_movement 02:46 Aika Like how items and such are made? 02:46 TriBlade9 Precisely Aika 02:46 * Brains will have to see about playing around with the code once he gets his machine back to normal. Love/hate reinstalls... 02:48 jordan4ibanez Aika: https://github.com/jordan4ibanez/Infinite-Adventure/tree/master/mods/experimental/magic/sounds 02:48 jordan4ibanez And I can't right now TriBlade9 02:48 Aika lol k 02:48 TriBlade9 Okay jordy 02:48 TriBlade9 I'm just afraid to PR until I know there's not some major bug 02:49 TriBlade9 I know how unforgiving some people can be in PRs x] 02:49 jordan4ibanez goodnight people! 02:49 TriBlade9 night 02:51 Aika I would look at it, but I bet the old laptop I'm stuck with now would take 8 hours to compile it. 02:52 TriBlade9 Likely 02:52 TriBlade9 Meh, I'll just Pr it 02:53 Aika lol http://fc08.deviantart.net/fs71/i/2010/224/c/0/Fuckitol_by_TpmDesigns.jpg 02:54 Aika gonna go play, peace 02:58 TriBlade9 bai 03:02 blaise hrmm 03:02 TriBlade9 hrmmmm 03:02 blaise I wonder if it would be possible to make a portableapps minetest install 03:06 blaise I bet it would increase popularity a good bit 03:09 VanessaE blaise: what would this do? 03:10 grendal_prime ya and vnc chocks on this thig 03:10 grendal_prime grrr 03:11 TriBlade9 Just wondering, is bouncy_jump what happens when you hold down the spacebar? 03:12 TriBlade9 Or is that something totally different? 03:12 blaise VanessaE: portableapps.com has this thing you can install on a flash drive.. little launcher type menu that's pretty customizable.. with minetest on there people could just plug in anywhere and play.. and the launcher will automaticly update apps as needed 03:12 VanessaE blaise: ahh 03:12 VanessaE could be useful 03:14 grendal_prime ok so say i make a world, how do i upload it..just ssh it up to the server and put it into.grr... 03:14 grendal_prime i got another idea 03:15 blaise VanessaE: I was just thinking the same thing.. :D 03:15 blaise I keep a few portableapps flash drives handy because of the handy tools.. 03:15 blaise and then to have minetest on there.. 03:16 blaise being on a usb3 flashdrive is pretty snappy.. XD 03:18 blaise there's lots of cool games on there anyway 03:18 blaise I like the xpenguins 03:24 jojoa1997 waaaa? 03:24 jojoa1997 I was on irc this entire time! 03:26 TriBlade9 ohi jojoa 03:26 jojoa1997 hi TriBlade9 03:26 TriBlade9 Hi 03:26 TriBlade9 Trying to rebase all my branches, this is such a pain >:I 03:26 jojoa1997 Steam takes forever to load 03:27 jojoa1997 TriBlade9 can I see a link? 03:27 jojoa1997 \doanload 03:27 TriBlade9 Which branch? 03:27 jojoa1997 do you use github? 03:27 TriBlade9 Yes 03:27 jojoa1997 then the link to your repos 03:27 TriBlade9 http://github.com/TriBlade9/minetest 03:28 jojoa1997 :) 03:28 TriBlade9 Working on player_movement right now 03:28 TriBlade9 It makes jumping and falling more responsive, and as a side effect, makes placing blocks under you while jumping easier and less likely to place 2 at a time 03:29 blaise lol 03:29 jojoa1997 hhhh 03:29 jojoa1997 on Leadcraft 03:29 jojoa1997 Got mad because Microsoft bought Mojang, so began developing again for MineTest. 03:29 jojoa1997 It should be Minetest 03:30 TriBlade9 Odamnit 03:30 TriBlade9 Wait, how'd ya know about LC? 03:30 blaise so I guess servers.minetest.net/announce is just down? 03:30 blaise XD 03:30 blaise !server midnight 03:30 MinetestBot ConnectionResetError: [Errno 104] Connection reset by peer (file "/usr/lib/python3.4/socket.py", line 371, in readinto) 03:30 blaise oh yeh 03:30 blaise !up midnightsystems.net 03:30 MinetestBot midnightsystems.net:30000 is up (514ms) 03:30 blaise lmao 03:30 jojoa1997 TriBlade9 03:30 jojoa1997 Look at your github page 03:30 TriBlade9 jojoa1997 03:30 TriBlade9 Website is on there isn't it 03:30 jojoa1997 it shows that link as your site 03:31 TriBlade9 Yep 03:31 TriBlade9 Problem officer? x] 03:31 jojoa1997 Yes 03:31 jojoa1997 I just mentioned Minecraft related stuff in here 03:31 jojoa1997 before you execute me 03:31 TriBlade9 Fo shame 03:31 jojoa1997 Windows 7 IS DA BEST!!! 03:31 blaise pfft 03:32 TriBlade9 DIE YOU FOUL FIEND 03:32 blaise lmao 03:32 dead_jo YOU ARE SO MEAN 03:32 blaise Linux vaio 3.16.2-gentoo #1 Wed Sep 10 16:44:22 EST 2014 i686 Intel(R) Pentium(R) M processor 1.73GHz GenuineIntel GNU/Linux 03:32 TriBlade9 j/k 03:32 blaise hehe 03:32 dead_jo I ALREADY HAVE SELF estem issues! 03:32 dead_jo YOU ARE HORRIBLE!!!! 03:32 * dead_jo wails 03:32 jojoa1997 man that dead_jo is sucha cry baby 03:33 jojoa1997 he needs to be like me and toughen up 03:33 TriBlade9 jojoa, Check out the player_movement branch, I think it's ready to PR :D 03:33 jojoa1997 Ok 03:33 jojoa1997 I cant 03:33 H-H-H hey guys just out of curiosity is there a way to make it always one time lol instead of it cycling through day and night? 03:33 jojoa1997 Because I cannot compile minetest on Windows 03:33 TriBlade9 Orite 03:33 jojoa1997 because the process just never works 03:34 jojoa1997 I really want someone to make a python/batch script to do it for me 03:35 jojoa1997 Also even if I was able it takes way to long 03:38 TriBlade9 Just opened a PR for it 03:38 jojoa1997 PR? 03:38 * H-H-H is looking into compiling minetest to run on a beaglebone 03:38 jojoa1997 oh 03:39 jojoa1997 beaglebone? 03:39 jojoa1997 oh pull request 03:40 TriBlade9 Oh come on 03:40 TriBlade9 The page didn't load 03:40 jojoa1997 BOOM 03:40 jojoa1997 I have lost all want and ability to control what I am thinking 03:41 jojoa1997 pickles tast good when reading about the adventures of emeralds 03:41 TriBlade9 https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/1650 03:41 H-H-H BEAGLEBONE IS A SINGLE BOARD COMPUTER THAT CAN RUN LINUX OR ANDROID OR WINDOWS CE 03:41 H-H-H o crap sorry for caps 04:03 jojoa1997 bbt 07:22 TriBlade9 Is there a function like minetest.onplayermove? 07:24 kaeza no, but you can easily compare positions from an on_globalstep() callback 07:24 TriBlade9 IK, but that's quite slow 07:26 TBC_x god damn EU bullshit 07:26 kaeza calling Lua every time a player moves would be equally slow; with on_globalstep, you can check the pos every x seconds (x may be 0 < x <= 1) 07:26 TBC_x i hate those "cookie warning" things 07:27 TriBlade9 Also, you can't get pointed thing from player can you? 07:27 kaeza not easily, I'm afraid 07:27 RealBadAngel TriBlade9, you can 07:27 Xlaits Anyone know how to separate stacks on the android port? 07:27 kaeza oh wait, yes 07:28 TriBlade9 How RealBadAngel? 07:28 * TriBlade9 Is writing a WAILIA-type mod 07:30 kaeza WAILIA? 07:30 TriBlade9 What Am I Looking At 07:30 TriBlade9 *WAILA 07:31 kaeza oh, I see 07:31 kaeza (pun not intended) 07:31 Xlaits Anyone? 07:32 TBC_x thanks god for adblock 07:32 TriBlade9 Right now it only updates on punch, not on looking at a new item. 07:32 TriBlade9 IKR TBC_x 07:36 Xlaits Anyone know how to separate stacks on the android port? 07:36 Xlaits Or do my posts seem to not show up? 07:36 TriBlade9 No idea Xlaits 07:36 TriBlade9 Hi ruben! 07:37 rubenwardy Grr, changed my irc password and now I have forgotten it 07:38 TriBlade9 :L 07:39 Cylus rubenwardy: I think NickServ can send password resets to your email address on this server. 07:40 rubenwardy I haven't been disconnect yet 07:40 rubenwardy That is weird 07:42 rubenwardy Anyway, Hi All! 07:42 TriBlade9 Hi ruben! 07:42 TriBlade9 What's up? 07:43 rubenwardy I have a personal statement to finish by tomorrow for my University application (Oxford). At the moment I am just waking myself up in my college's library. 07:45 TriBlade9 Good luck :) 07:45 TriBlade9 Btw, is there any method to set FOV yet? 07:46 rubenwardy No 07:46 rubenwardy Ctrl+f doesn't find it in here: https://github.com/minetest/minetest/blob/master/doc/lua_api.txt 07:47 TBC_x how come that arch's minetest 4.10 from community contains only minetest_game and minimal? 07:48 rubenwardy https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/1075 07:48 rubenwardy TBC_x what do you mean? In games/? 07:48 rubenwardy Have they started adding more games to games/? 07:48 TBC_x yes, I thought that 4.10 is supposed to have more games 07:48 TBC_x included 07:49 TBC_x at least, I read that on forums 07:50 rubenwardy I didn't think that actually happened. Some unofficial builds contain other games. I am not sure, I don't download Minetest from minetest.net. I build it myself. 07:51 TBC_x i should be probably less lazy 07:57 MinetestBot 02[Git] 04maciej.kasatkin@o2.pl -> 03minetest/minetest: Bugfix: don't highlight air nodes. 1386a0f56 http://git.io/ffwpOQ (152014-09-18T09:56:27+02:00) 08:04 Megaf Hi all 08:04 rubenwardy Hi! 08:04 kaeza hi 08:04 Megaf :D 08:04 Megaf jp: How was my server this morning? Any lag? 08:05 jp haven't noticed high lag Megaf 08:05 jp btw, homedecor updated 08:05 Megaf ok 08:06 Megaf Im backing up everything now 08:06 jp place a beer tap, take a drink cup in your hand, punch on it and... surprise ! 08:06 Megaf hm 08:06 jp *drinking glass 08:07 Megaf RealBadAngel: Dont highlight air nodes, heh, is not a bug, it's a feature! 08:07 rubenwardy How did that even happen 08:07 rubenwardy ? 08:08 kaeza TIL MOBF supports intllib 08:08 kaeza :D 08:08 Megaf air nodes are nodes too, quite easy to get them to highlight rubenwardy 08:09 RealBadAngel Megaf, its a bug 08:09 Megaf Im just joking RealBadAngel 08:09 RealBadAngel but in the first place bigger bug is that air nodes do have selection boxes 08:10 RealBadAngel and that also has to be fixed 08:11 Megaf RealBadAngel: isnt there a way to replace air nodes by nothing? 08:11 RealBadAngel air is nothing? 08:11 rubenwardy Megaf: like 'ignore'? 08:12 RealBadAngel afaik paramat was replacing all air nodes with vaccum 08:12 Megaf I mean, since air nodes are nodes, they have to be stored and loaded 08:12 Megaf If theres no air nodes, then theres nothing to be loaded and stored 08:12 RealBadAngel Megaf, nothing is also a data 08:13 RealBadAngel it doesnt pop out of a magician hat 08:13 Megaf Ok 08:13 Megaf I think I'm not quite right this time 08:14 kaeza how did it work with regular highlighting? 08:16 RealBadAngel theres a check for it 08:16 RealBadAngel in my code it was a matter of refreshing that 08:17 RealBadAngel before enigine did refresh pointed_thing mesh was updated first 08:17 RealBadAngel with air in place of previously pointed node 08:18 RealBadAngel so you were able to see for a short blink highlighted air 08:20 Megaf !server Megaf 08:20 MinetestBot Megaf: No results 08:21 Megaf !up minetest.megaf.info 30003 08:21 MinetestBot minetest.megaf.info:30003 is up (1924ms) 08:23 Megaf jp: it would be nice if you could hold an empty glass of beer and then right click the beer tap and get it filled up 08:23 Megaf similar code of buckets could be used 08:23 Megaf Hi john_minetest 08:23 jp redundant with the actual drinking glass... 08:24 ThatGraemeGuy bucket uses punch to fill it up 08:27 Jordach teh karma on /r/minetest is easy to pick 09:00 Megaf jp: A frosty cold beer! 09:00 Megaf Whoah! 09:00 jp hehe 09:00 Megaf john_minetest: we have a pub and beer now on my server! 09:01 Megaf yep, but now we have glass of beer and beer taps 09:08 ThatGraemeGuy if you drink enough beer does the player fall over? :-) 09:26 Megaf ThatGraemeGuy: heh, a player made the same question on my server 09:26 Megaf there should be a way to implement that 09:53 TBC_x mod downloading should use bitTorrent 10:03 TBC_x is there a way to add splashing sounds? besides ABM? 10:08 RealBadAngel TBC_x, https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=2807 10:15 TBC_x RealBadAngel: ty, gonna look at it 10:16 jin_xi RealBadAngel: http://youtu.be/ac-DGUwjzRM now using render to texture. its much saner in a way but static. i think shader nodes have potential! 10:17 JTE_ why does grass teleport infinitely upwards oo;;; 10:20 Jonuz Btw, doesnt microsoft care about minetest or why they allow you to make clone from their game? 10:21 TBC_x minecraft is/was a colone of infiniminer 10:22 jin_xi Jonuz: Mojang didn't mind the clones, MS might do 10:23 Jonuz TBC_x: I dont really think that ms does care about that 10:23 TBC_x Jonuz: MS cares only about monopoly 10:23 jin_xi someone raised the point that one could argue minetest is similar in both name and nature 10:23 Jonuz And they don't have to, even idea of name is copied from minecrafrt 10:23 Jonuz minecraft* 10:23 RealBadAngel jin_xi, with rendering to textures youre losing quality a lot 10:24 jin_xi but then minecraft is hardly an original name 10:24 Jonuz john_minetest: that would be nice :-D 10:24 jin_xi RealBadAngel: set texture to 64px, could easily do more and make it a nodedef option 10:24 Jonuz I mean about FAQ 10:24 jin_xi but get a lot of alias with higher values and this particular shader 10:24 TBC_x and what about warcraft? 10:25 TBC_x shouldn't MS sue blizzard for name similarity? 10:25 jin_xi anyway, i still would like to figure out a way to use the more dynamic approach of before, so animated and reactive shaders are possible 10:25 Jonuz blizzard have resources to fight back 10:26 jin_xi minetest is a name that evokes some questions anyway... lots of people don't really like it 10:26 Jonuz librecraft would be nicer :-D 10:27 TBC_x and something craft-less? 10:27 ThatGraemeGuy click clicky diggy buildy 10:27 * ThatGraemeGuy runs 10:27 jin_xi john_minetest: its just an observation, the question if this is gonna stay a test forever comes up every now and then 10:27 jin_xi i couldn't care less about the name tbh 10:27 Jonuz does minetest server use less memory compared to minecraft? 10:28 TBC_x minetest - a mining game that has to be tested by time 10:28 Jonuz vanilla with 100 client 10:29 Jonuz oh 10:34 asie I should make some Minetest mods 10:35 jin_xi why not a whole game? 10:36 asie not sure if i have the energy 10:38 jin_xi yes, its hard. most games are single dev efforts so far i think 10:39 jin_xi mine is long abandoned 10:39 asie yeah 10:43 sruz25 is there some sort of detailed documentation to the engine? It's not hard to roughly figure out what most things do, but it definitely could use more comments... 10:45 sruz25 seems like it's never specified what the function/class does, so one has to alway guess from names and such 10:46 sruz25 s/alway/always/g 10:52 RealBadAngel hi asie, you really should, youre good at it 10:53 asie RealBadAngel: I did when I was 13 10:54 asie Right now I'm saving up energy for a soon-to-come wallet loss 10:54 TBC_x oh man, that ambience mod is awesome 10:58 jp RBA, just an idea : show the hidden settings (like node highligthing) through an "Advanced settings" button into the GUI settings tab. 11:05 Megaf !seen Jeija 11:05 MinetestBot Megaf: jeija was last seen at 2014-04-25 17:05:58 UTC on #minetest 11:05 Megaf whats Jeijas nick on IRC? 11:15 Megaf VanessaE: Can you please help me with fences? 11:16 Megaf Im trying to create a new fence but I cant get the texture right 11:21 raffahacks Hi 11:21 Megaf Hi raffahacks 11:21 jp hi 11:22 Megaf VanessaE: nevermind, I have found my mistake, good code you have by the way 11:29 raffahacks VanessaE, I discovered there's a formula for watt calculus and required volts for audio amps 11:30 raffahacks I won't get all the power or quality of 16v at 7 11:34 Jordach asie, you mean steam sales? 11:34 asie Jordach: no 11:34 asie i mean weeaboo figurines 11:34 Jordach ah 11:43 sruz25 can't find mouse click event handling, is it not in the_game? 11:48 Megaf yay! a conducting fence! https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?p=154504#p154504 11:49 jin_xi sruz25: game.cpp line 3009 11:50 sruz25 thanks 11:50 sruz25 I was a bit confused by most other keys being handled elsewhere. 11:50 sruz25 kind of makes sense though 11:51 jin_xi ack to the rescue! its like grep but i can use it 11:54 jojoa1997 hi 11:57 sruz25 hmm, it looks like useful tool for source code search 12:07 Megaf thats sad 12:09 sruz25 good thing I'm euro"poor" 12:10 Jordach welcome to Europe. where healthcare and education is free and of high quality 12:10 Jordach except the UK 12:10 Jordach Uni here is terrible 12:10 Jordach (more likely to get knifed on the way home) 12:11 sruz25 I'm pretty sure it's still way better than romania or ukraine 12:12 Jordach sruz25, nowadays you don't need a PC or console to experience war 12:12 Jordach it's in nearly most people's gardens 12:13 sruz25 I thought there's some sort of howisitcalled - /temp/peace 12:14 sruz25 ceasefire? 12:15 Jordach john_minetest, here's what i'm having to do on my course right now: https://cdn.mediacru.sh/vatsR3vtvVRL.png 12:18 sruz25 learn by example :^) 12:18 Megaf john_minetest: https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=628&p=154504#p154504 12:18 Megaf and I have already added it to my server 12:19 Jordach sruz25, not really, i did all this shit last year during Comp Sci 12:20 Jordach one part of the course is computer animation 12:21 sruz25 well, it's not like we have shortage of shitty "it" UNIs.... 12:21 sruz25 there are some good ones too luckily 12:22 sruz25 Megaf: electricity damage/isolated fences might be another thing to add 12:23 sruz25 not that isn't nice 12:23 Jordach john_minetest, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D0vzOwHVRI8 12:30 twoelk Jordach: that boss in the paper looks familiar to people I had to work with ;-) 12:37 Jordach http://youtu.be/IiCPg1tR-V4?t=2m53s 12:37 twoelk discussion I just had two days ago: someboss: what are you actually doing for us when you say sysadmin stuff? me: watching the system is stable and clearing issues. boss: it is stable, last crash was 2 years ago. me: yeah remember, I was on holiday then and nobody was doing sysadmin when it happened. Boss: so we only need you every 2 years! 12:37 Jordach /r/montageparodies 12:41 Jordach https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AvnjmBJOYRs 13:41 RealBadAngel lol 13:43 sruz25 Hover matter only for gui drawing, right? 13:43 sruz25 *matters 13:46 sruz25 what I mean is, if there's event type like "hovered_object_changed" or something 13:57 Jordach >POWERPNT.exe *32 13:57 Jordach ಠ_ಠ13:57 shadowzone Hi Jordach. 13:57 shadowzone And lol. 13:57 Jordach >32bit >2013 13:58 shadowzone ò_Ó 13:59 Jordach ಠ_ಠ13:59 Jordach >steam >32bit# 13:59 Jordach OH PLS 14:00 shadowzone °¸° 14:01 rubenwardy Hi all! 14:01 shadowzone Hi rubenwardy, how are you? 14:01 rubenwardy Good thanks. 14:01 shadowzone Your welcome. 14:07 rubenwardy et toi? 14:08 shadowzone o.O 14:10 rubenwardy "and you?" 14:11 sruz25 32bit is overrated 14:11 sruz25 it's nice for things that use a lot of memory, but that's about it 14:13 shadowzone I am good. 14:13 shadowzone I'm making my first minetest game. 14:13 sruz25 and I still didn't figure out where SEvent comes from and even ack/qtcreator's "go to definition" didn't find the definition 14:14 rubenwardy Awesome. I kind of gave up on my Capture The Flag game 14:14 shadowzone Mine is pretty simple/ 14:15 shadowzone I am pretty new to lua and C and those types of things I'm just trying to see if I can get is compatible. 14:16 rubenwardy Hello hoodedice! 14:16 rubenwardy Hello hmmmm! 14:16 rubenwardy :P 14:16 Jordach pls 14:17 hoodedice Hi rubenwardy! 14:24 alket I installed homedecor , but how do i get signs with /giveme ? 14:28 shadowzone What color do you want? 14:29 RealBadAngel alket, install UnifiedInventory, it will let you know all the item names 14:30 alket john_minetest, yes 14:30 Jordach shameless plug 14:30 alket shadowzone, any 14:30 alket RealBadAngel, any link ? 14:30 shadowzone Hmm. 14:30 shadowzone Lemme check the code. 14:30 RealBadAngel https://github.com/minetest-technic/unified_inventory 14:30 RealBadAngel or from modstore 14:32 shadowzone default:sign_wall 14:32 shadowzone Try that. 14:32 shadowzone I don't have the homedecor mod. 14:32 shadowzone I'm a little busy right now. 14:32 alket thanks all 14:33 shadowzone Your welcome. 14:33 rubenwardy Hi iqualfragile! 14:34 Jordach rubenwardy, more scripted than a Minetest mod. 14:34 Jordach :3 14:34 iqualfragile hi rubenwardy 14:35 iqualfragile phpbb is a fucking mess 14:35 rubenwardy Lol 14:35 iqualfragile i mean: look at this function: https://github.com/phpbb/phpbb/blob/prep-release-3.0.6/phpBB/includes/functions.php#L452 14:35 iqualfragile and try not to bleach your eyes out afterwards 14:35 rubenwardy I hate the information pages when logging in 14:35 rubenwardy ugly 14:36 shadowzone http://mediacrush.net/yRN6rRp114HF.jpeg <-- since you all love cats. 14:36 alket RealBadAngel, thanks :) it rocks 14:39 MinetestBot Krock: 09-17 21:48 UTC can you make it so your site accepts things like "modSearch.php?q=foo|bar"? 14:41 bjrohan VanessaE: hi there, could use some more help / info if you are up for it. I left off with issues with the animal modpack yesterday, so I disabled it today. However in the game I am receiving error messages from that mod: mobf lifebar not defined, animal_zombie not defined. 14:41 bjrohan VanessaE: if I enter /mobf, it replies invalid command 14:42 Krock !tell kaeza like searching for two things at once? 14:42 MinetestBot Krock: yeah, sure, whatever 14:42 rubenwardy If you disable a mod then stuff may be left behind. The objects which use to be used as mods are now ghosts. the game doesn't know what to do with them 14:42 rubenwardy Wow, MinetestBot has turned into a teenager 14:43 sfan5_ uh 14:43 sfan5_ what? 14:43 rubenwardy Next she'll saying "whatever, get of my back, god!" 14:43 shadowzone Lol. 14:43 shadowzone XD 14:43 shadowzone http://mediacrush.net/yRN6rRp114HF.jpeg 14:43 shadowzone sfan5: check that out. 14:43 Amaz rubenwardy: Don't give her any ideas! 14:44 sfan5 shadowzone: meow 14:44 * shadowzone tosses sfan5 a ball of yarn 14:45 bjrohan sfan5_: hi there, I am having some issues with the animal modpack mod, 2 days ago it was working, then yesterday out of the blue, it stopped working, when enabled in the world config the game wouldn't start. I have diasabled the mod in config, and now during gameplay it says that things like: mobf lifebar not defined & animal_zombie not defined 14:45 sfan5_ bjrohan: I'd suggest you ask sapier about that when he comes online 14:45 bjrohan sfan5: odd to me since I had disabled that mod, and those items are in that mod only 14:45 bjrohan sfan5_: thanks 14:45 T4im bjrohan: maybe check if all dependencies of that mod are enabled as well 14:47 T4im (to possibly resolve the not starting) 14:48 rubenwardy If you disable a mod then stuff may be left behind. The objects which use to be used as mods are now ghosts. the game doesn't know what to do with them 14:48 rubenwardy the animal mod pack comes with a cleaner that removes these 14:49 shadowzone Maybe try and run a /clearobjects 14:49 rubenwardy That too, but it is slower than the mobf function 14:49 rubenwardy s/mobf/animal modpack 14:49 bjrohan T4im: I think that I have disabled that mod, by going into the Configure in the main menu, and double clicking on the mod to turn it all white vs green, that is what I think the issue it, it should be disabled, but in the game throwing errors 14:50 bjrohan ahh 14:50 bjrohan shadowzone: I am running the clearonjects now, says it may take a while 14:50 shadowzone Okay. 14:51 Jonuz How cheating is prevented on OS games? 14:52 rubenwardy Huh? 14:52 rubenwardy OH 14:52 rubenwardy Everything is controlled server side. 14:52 rubenwardy This means you can't build where you aren't supposed to, you can't give yourself blocks 14:53 rubenwardy Jonuz: closing the source is a really bad way to protect against cheating 14:53 realtinymonster exactly 14:53 Krock Jonuz, I don't know any non-OS games. 14:53 shadowzone Okay I am making a little mod for my game and the nodes I made for it are unknown blocks. 14:53 Jonuz Okay, good :p 14:53 rubenwardy You can, however, give yourself fly. 14:54 rubenwardy Motion is controlled client side 14:54 realtinymonster ^ bad idea, but whatever 14:54 Krock wut= 14:54 Jonuz Hmm I guess it is easy to detect in server side..? 14:54 Krock realtinymonster, would it be better on server side?? 14:54 realtinymonster hmm 14:54 rubenwardy Yeah. If a player is hovering in the air away from blocks then they are probably flying. or lagging 14:55 bjrohan shadowzone: it appears the clear onjects worked like a charm, thank you 14:55 shadowzone Your welcome. 14:55 shadowzone http://paste.ubuntu.com/8372832/ 14:55 rubenwardy But detecting is unreliable. It is much better to have moderators to see people flying 14:55 Jonuz It is but not always possible 14:56 rubenwardy I personally use a client which ignores the fast privilege it is given. Ie: I always have fast. 14:56 T4im open source fps usually do serverside physics.. but minetest is not a fps ;) 14:56 hoodedice Someone needs help with the android build https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=10145 14:56 Jonuz But I guess it isnt that hard to detect if player goes to spot (air) where he cant go 14:56 T4im well serverside physics and client side physic prediction to not make it too obvious :D 14:56 rubenwardy Jonuz: what about falling or lagging? 14:57 Jonuz well thats true 14:57 T4im or jumping.. you would be suprised how far you can get up via fast_move after reaching the end of a ladder 14:58 Jonuz Well server could save last x blocks and check were client in upper :-D 14:58 Jonuz Well I guess it would be best if server logs/notices if player might be using some hack to fly 14:58 LemonLake That user count just goes up and up. 14:59 T4im well.. as said.. minetest is not a fps per se.. so the damage by a player that flied for a few seconds when noone watched is minor compared to other games :) 15:00 T4im i'd be more concerned about wallhack equivalents.. ore-radars or something like that.. and you simply cant prevent that sort of thing without some complicated heuristics 15:00 rubenwardy It is more fun to build w/o fly. It requires more planning. 15:02 rubenwardy Ore finders would only work for in the immediate area around a player. Also, a player could create a stand alone program on their computer and use the server's seed to build a large map. They could then scan a massive area for nyan cats etc. (Are nyan cats seeded or random?) 15:02 T4im well.. damage to the server/other players.. if a player really wants to make it boring to himself, who am i to stop him? ;) 15:02 T4im nyan cats are random 15:02 rubenwardy damn. Well, you could find gold 15:02 T4im already checked for that exact case 2 days ago :p 15:03 T4im yea.. i can think of heuristics spotting that.. someone using that might have a "too good" ore finding ratio 15:04 T4im but nah.. not worth it :P 15:06 hoodedice Someone needs help with the android build https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=10145 15:06 rubenwardy I saw, but I have no knowledge in that area 15:12 Krock !tell kaeza Added. is that what you want? http://nimg.pf-control.de/MTstuff/modSearch.php?st=0&at=0&q=%5Bpipeworks%5D%7C%5Bmoreblocks%5D 15:12 MinetestBot Krock: I'll pass that on when kaeza is around 15:12 LemonLake writing to that post, + hoodedice 15:12 TBC_x T4im: just make a mod that says "Player X found Y gold in Z minutes! Good work!" 15:13 T4im :D 15:13 TBC_x they'll embarrass themselves eventually 15:13 T4im nice idea 15:13 T4im cheat prevention by transparency 15:14 TBC_x exactly 15:14 Jonuz Can someone link addon which is written with C or C++? 15:15 TBC_x addons/mods are done only in lua 15:15 Jonuz Ok bye :-D 15:17 LemonLake Haha. 15:18 Krock ha ha ha. 15:18 shadowzone https://github.com/TheShadowZone12/shadow_game 15:18 LemonLake oh no 15:18 LemonLake i broke minedroid 15:18 LemonLake dunno what happened but the world is entirely black ó.ó 15:19 Jonuz Is any other language support planned? 15:19 LemonLake No. 15:19 Jonuz :< 15:19 LemonLake Why? 15:19 LemonLake Fixed it 15:20 Jonuz This mean that someone will have to learn new language if they want to make addons 15:20 LemonLake Lua is very quick to learn. 15:20 LemonLake !pil Jonuz 15:20 MinetestBot Jonuz, Someone thinks you need to brush up on or learn Lua, please go to: http://lua.org/pil/ 15:21 rubenwardy I learnt Lua in an hour, pretty much 15:21 LemonLake It's especially quicker if you have prior programming knowledge. 15:22 LemonLake Lua is useful as it's a scripting language, making it easier to learn and more extensible in some cases. 15:22 Jonuz oh, but still it can be turnoff to someone :D 15:22 rubenwardy lua tables beginning with 1 still throws me occasionally 15:22 Jonuz Personally I don't really care 15:22 LemonLake It's also generally lightweight and does not need to be compiled. 15:22 LemonLake Jonuz: And? That's their problem. 15:23 LemonLake That's like saying 'Oh, (fast food chain here), your food may not be good to this ONE person. You should stop selling it.# 15:23 LemonLake Dumb, right? 15:23 TBC_x lol, I should write that down 15:23 DusXMT rubenwardy: FORTRAN's arrays also began at one, so it's not a Lua inovation ;) 15:23 LemonLake rubenwardy: I do agree with you, but oh well. 15:23 Jonuz Im saying that you should also sell other foods :3 15:24 TBC_x FORTH ftw 15:24 LemonLake Jonuz: Personally, and I'm sure others will agree, that is quite unnecessary. 15:24 Jonuz Okay then :< 15:24 LemonLake Just learn Lua. It takes less than an hour if you have C++ knowledge. 15:25 LemonLake If it's a turnoff to someone, and they're extremely scared to learn lua, they can play another game. Simple. 15:25 LemonLake Also applicable to the fast food example. 15:25 RealBadAngel TBC_x, actually lua can load libraries 15:25 LemonLake ^ 15:25 DusXMT Jonuz: Kinda curious, how would you imagine an alternative to Lua in the game? 15:26 RealBadAngel forth computer works with precompiled c++ libs 15:26 iqualfragile rubenwardy: i put creating the setup instructions on your task list, as you did that recently 15:26 rubenwardy I didn't record anything I did. 15:27 rubenwardy I'll try again, though 15:27 iqualfragile LemonLake: luas listst start with one? 15:27 iqualfragile u sure? 15:27 LemonLake iqualfragile: They do. 15:27 iqualfragile luas list start with whatever you want 15:27 iqualfragile there are no lists 15:27 iqualfragile there are just hashmaps/dicts 15:27 LemonLake iqualfragile: http://lua-users.org/wiki/CountingFromOne 15:27 RealBadAngel indexes starts from 1 15:27 LemonLake Oh stop being super technical. 15:27 RealBadAngel theres no element 0 like in c++ 15:29 TBC_x counting from 1 is weird, everyone has 9 fingers, right? 15:29 LemonLake TBC_x: you just made me think 15:29 LemonLake I legit had to count my amount of fingers 15:32 iqualfragile TBC_x: since that accident: yes 15:33 LemonLake iqualfragile: love it 15:34 PenguinDad TBC_x: that's a bug in real life :P 15:35 TBC_x yeah, we should tell the Pope about it, is he the one that manages the bug list? 15:36 TBC_x I don't think they're good enough to understand bug trackers 15:37 DusXMT I kinda don't get this 9 finger thing. In C, when you're defining an array, you give it the total number of elements (like: finger *hand[10]; ) and access them from 0 to 9. My point is: You still specify the total count 15:37 DusXMT well, in that given example from 0 to 9 15:38 PenguinDad TBC_x: He manages the bug tracker but maggie's way :P http://thedailywtf.com/Articles/The-Worst-Bug-Tracking-Software.aspx 15:38 * DusXMT just reaized he made a hand with 10 fingers 15:39 realtinymonster lool 15:40 shadowzone Lol. 15:41 realtinymonster 167 people! 15:41 realtinymonster wow 15:42 PenguinDad Less than yesterday :/ 15:43 rubenwardy Was 175 yesterdat] 15:43 realtinymonster meh 15:44 shadowzone Yeah most people have school. 15:44 realtinymonster i'm sure it will increase because Mojangcrosoft 15:44 sslb I'm sure it'll grow. 15:44 Hobodium I don't think the peak amount of users matters as much as how many more might stick around for the long term. 15:45 shadowzone After school is out I bet $5 that we're gonna have a flood of people. 15:45 sfan5 lol 15:49 Krock http://i.imgur.com/zfDcnEK.jpg 15:49 rubenwardy Is the visitor numbers of minetest.net logged? it would be interesting to see a graph 15:49 rubenwardy or servers.minetest.net 15:49 rubenwardy although that broke 15:49 T4im analytics of the homepage? 15:50 T4im might be a better indicator.. wouldnt bet every player is capable of irc... in fact, it sadened me to see several time, that the youth has no idea anymore what irc is :P 15:50 shadowzone https://github.com/TheShadowZone12/shadow_game 15:50 shadowzone !title 15:51 MinetestBot shadowzone: TheShadowZone12/shadow_game · GitHub 15:51 shadowzone That's the game I was making. 15:51 Krock sfan5, http://i.imgur.com/KFOfJ1K.jpg 15:51 DusXMT T4im: I know of IRC and I'm still in high school, so that's not 100% accurate 15:52 T4im i was stereotyping ;) 15:52 shadowzone lol. 15:52 TBC_x The youth is on Facebook now 15:52 T4im i read latly, that they apparently flee it again, after their parents started to join it 15:53 T4im :D 15:53 sfan5 "(10,2 KB/s)" 15:53 sfan5 imgur seems to be a bit slow 15:53 thefamilygrog66 Any ideas why my server is listed on the public server list when I start it, but the listing disappears a short time later? 15:53 LemonLake hoodedice: Damned Lemons indeed. 15:53 rubenwardy T4im: by minetest.net I did mean the homepage 15:53 hoodedice *Dammit 15:53 rubenwardy Mediacru.sh ftw! 15:54 LemonLake hoodedice: Yes, regular jumping works fine. I formed that post by memory. 15:54 TBC_x My picture on FB is like 7 years old 15:54 sfan5 thefamilygrog66: which os do you run your server on? 15:54 bjrohan In single player mode, how do I give myself privileges, such as fast mode? 15:54 sfan5 bjrohan: /grant singleplayer fast 15:54 thefamilygrog66 I know that there was an update to cURL recently - might have something to do with that. 15:54 bjrohan sfan5: thanks 15:54 thefamilygrog66 sfan5: ubuntu 12.04 15:55 sfan5 thefamilygrog66: perfect, can you do some tests? 15:55 thefamilygrog66 I can try, yes! 15:55 TBC_x this is how much i care about FB 15:55 sfan5 thefamilygrog66: install mtr and pastebin the output of "mtr -w -c 25 servers.minetest.net" 15:56 T4im i havent logged in in years anymore either.. would have already deleted the account, but want to see first, where that class action suit against them is going 15:56 sfan5 !op 15:56 sfan5 !deop 15:57 hoodedice also, bjrohan , use E while walking to go fast 15:57 hoodedice that is, hold down E to move fast 15:57 Krock ^ requires fast_mode = true 15:58 Hobodium using ecstacy may or may not help you move faster, but is not supported by minetest itself 15:58 sfan5 Krock: wat 15:58 Krock sfan5, I don't remember the original key to enable it 15:58 sfan5 Krock: J 15:58 Krock k 15:58 PenguinDad h 15:58 sfan5 k is fly 15:58 sfan5 h is noclip 15:58 Krock bjrohan, use key J to enable fast mode 15:59 Krock :/ SMN is still down 15:59 sfan5 smn? 15:59 Krock (servers.minetest.net) 15:59 sfan5 !server 15:59 MinetestBot ConnectionResetError: [Errno 104] Connection reset by peer (file "/usr/lib/python3.4/socket.py", line 371, in readinto) 15:59 sfan5 !server 15:59 MinetestBot sfan5: VanessaE's Free-for-All Minetest Server | digitalaudioconcepts.com:30006 | Clients: 6/50, 4/13 | Version: 0.4.10-dev / minetest_game | Ping: 123ms 15:59 Krock uuh 15:59 Krock up now 16:00 Krock mhm a minute ago it was down.. wtf 16:01 shadowzone o.O 16:02 realtinymonster I had a dream last night that I found my bootable USB and went mad installing Linux Mint on all the computers in my house 16:03 Krock eww 16:04 PenguinDad realtinymonster: why not a better distro? 16:04 Hobodium And the distro wars begin 16:04 realtinymonster idk, thats what I have 16:04 realtinymonster on that USB that is 16:05 thefamilygrog66 sfan5: http://pastie.org/9572722 16:05 * Krock isn't sure if he should create a topic about his simplemod search tool 16:05 thefamilygrog66 do it! 16:05 Krock k 16:05 rubenwardy I saw that krock 16:06 rubenwardy could use better styling 16:06 rubenwardy also unicode support 16:06 rubenwardy http://nimg.pf-control.de/MTstuff/modSearch.php?st=0&at=0&q=food#v 16:07 Krock rubenwardy, mhm I guess I need to replace those with htmlspecialchars instead of using unicode 16:07 rubenwardy don't use times new roman. don't use that background image. flat websites are better 16:07 Krock because in the database, it's also displayed wrongly 16:09 realtinymonster erm, guys! 16:09 realtinymonster https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=9964&start=25#p154547 16:09 rubenwardy Are the mods manually added, or added by a bot? 16:09 _3SidedSquare What's up realtinymonster 16:09 Krock rubenwardy, by a bot 16:09 rubenwardy good 16:09 rubenwardy :P 16:09 Krock lel I would be crazy if I would add all of those 900 mods 16:09 Krock by HAND 16:10 PenguinDad Krock: add them by paw then :P 16:10 Krock paw? 16:11 PenguinDad Krock: http://dict.leo.org/#/search=paw 16:13 Krock PenguinDad, isn't easy to add.. 16:15 realtinymonster The fun has been doubled! 16:15 realtinymonster PenguinDad: nice one 16:16 andrewammerlaan hello, I'm new to minetest, and I'm trying to add the moreblocks mod, but it fails to load, debug: http://pastebin.com/jWXHxUJC ,could someone please help me with this? 16:16 rubenwardy You probably have an outdated version of Minetest 16:16 Krock andrewammerlaan, you're using an outdated minetest version 16:16 rubenwardy Where did you get it from? 16:17 _3SidedSquare Will minetest ever aim to be backwards-compatible with mods? 16:17 andrewammerlaan ooh, I 0.4.9 is not the latest??, I donwloaded this one directly from the gentoo repos. 16:18 _3SidedSquare repos are almost always outdated 16:18 _3SidedSquare you need to learn to build from source until we get a fairly stable version 16:19 _3SidedSquare (it's really not hard) 16:19 thefamilygrog66 sfan5: did you get a chance to check out the mtr paste yet? 16:19 PenguinDad realtinymonster: yay 16:19 andrewammerlaan I see where the problem is, 0.4.10 is marked as beta/unstable, I'll just compile it myself, probably the best way anyway, thanks for the help 16:20 _3SidedSquare good luck 16:20 hoodedice bbl 16:20 bjrohan I've read that Mese is common at 1024, is it best to mine at 1024, or anywhere 1024 and below? 16:21 rubenwardy In 0.4.x, mod support is backwards compatible. Except for unstable features, which are warned against 16:21 rubenwardy 0.5 may not be backwards compatible with 0.4.x 16:21 Amaz bjrohan, That is mese blocks. You can find normal mese at around -200. 16:21 Amaz Mese blocks = 9 mese mese crystal = 1 mese 16:24 _3SidedSquare The minetest-dev channel has exactly 100 fewer people than minetest 16:24 _3SidedSquare damnit 16:26 realtinymonster lol 16:26 realtinymonster asie just had to break the channel 16:31 rubenwardy The minetest-dev channel has exactly 100 fewer people than minetest 16:31 rubenwardy sorry 16:31 rubenwardy asie: <_3SidedSquare> The minetest-dev channel has exactly 100 fewer people than minetest 16:34 rubenwardy now it is true 16:36 rubenwardy damn you PenguinDad 16:36 PenguinDad >:D 16:37 asie fixed 16:37 Krock rubenwardy, I can't make it unicode in the bot, so I'll just kill all characters which have a value greater than 200 :3 16:37 rubenwardy okay 16:37 rubenwardy gtg 16:38 rubenwardy_ Just realised that quiting from both websites doesn't affect it 16:38 rubenwardy_ :/ 16:38 rubenwardy_ s/websites/channels 16:48 _3SidedSquare nah, we're getting an influx from microsoft buying mojang, 16:49 tanath was just thinking that. the other day someone said 158 was a record 16:49 _3SidedSquare for whatever reaseon people are looking for alternatives now 16:49 _3SidedSquare Can't say i'm displeased though 16:49 * thefamilygrog66 likes to pronounce it, "Mohang" 16:49 tanath we wanted our open source minecraft 16:49 * _3SidedSquare likes to pronounce it, "Mo-yang" 16:50 PilzAdam there are indeed a lot of people here 16:50 _3SidedSquare -1 though, I got class in 10 min 16:50 _3SidedSquare bye 16:50 Calinou node highlighting 16:50 * Calinou shivers 16:51 tanath and if only say 10% of people get on irc, there'd be a lot more people actually looking at minetest 16:52 Calinou oh, that's a good thing 16:53 PenguinDad tanath: if 100% of the people get on irc this channel would be really spammy 16:53 tanath :P 16:54 * PenguinDad meows at sfan5, sfan5_ and sfan5__ 16:54 blaze Mahjong 16:54 Hobodium Riichi! 16:55 thefamilygrog66 I've noticed a recent influx of griefers on my server - yay! 16:56 Calinou Minecrosoft. 16:56 tanath thefamilygrog66, you've hit the big time now 16:56 erlehmann Microsoft Minecraft 16:56 erlehmann i am writing an essay about it as we chat 16:56 thefamilygrog66 Thar be trolls on the horizon. 16:56 PenguinDad Minecrosoft Winblocks :D 16:57 DusXMT *failblocks ;) 16:57 thefamilygrog66 Still trying to figure out why the public server list is acting dodgy the last couple of days. 16:58 Calinou got DDoS'd? 17:00 sfan5_ Calinou: no 17:02 PenguinDad Got Fusl'd? :D 17:02 thefamilygrog66 any ideas, sfan5_? 17:14 sfan5_ thefamilygrog66: did you paste what I suggested? 17:15 thefamilygrog66 yes - the link is above... 17:15 thefamilygrog66 http://pastie.org/9572722 17:15 thefamilygrog66 sfan5_ ^^^ 17:15 chchjesus Micro$haftcraft 17:24 Krock Calinou, would you be so nice and move https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=10147 to Mod Releases? :) 17:26 Calinou I am so nice! 17:26 sfan5 grogafk: thx 17:27 Mikeonline hi 17:27 sfan5_ hi 17:28 Mikeonline wurde eigentlich schonmal über ein keepalive für die clients-server nachgedacht @ sfan5_? 17:28 sfan5_ es wird ein ping gesendet 17:28 Mikeonline bei udp merken die nie wenn der server abgestürzt ist 17:28 sfan5_ allerdings wird nichts unternommen wenn keine antwort kommt 17:28 sfan5_ bzw. nicht direkt 17:28 Mikeonline wär gut wenn ne meldung ausgegeben würde 17:28 Mikeonline im chat oder so 17:28 sfan5_ wenn zu lange nichts kommt bleibt der mouse cursor stehen 17:28 Mikeonline zb server antwortet seit 30 oder 60 sekunden nicht mehr 17:29 Mikeonline aber die leute bauen dann immer weiter und bemerken es nicht 17:29 Mikeonline ideal wär sogar ein autoreconnect 17:29 Mikeonline mit maximal 3 versuchen oder so 17:33 sfan5_ mach am besten einen bugreport auf github auf 17:33 Mikeonline ok 17:33 Mikeonline mal gucken wo das war 17:33 sfan5_ https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/new 17:34 Krock Mikeonline, #minetest-de 17:37 Krock Calinou, forgot to say thanks. Thank you! 17:37 Calinou no problem 17:40 erlehmann lel 17:40 Mikeonline Krock: now iam curious about the reason to thank :P 17:40 Krock Mikeonline, irc.minetest.ru 17:40 Mikeonline whats that 17:41 sfan5 Mikeonline: the irc logs 17:42 Mikeonline i hate irc logs 17:43 Krock Mikeonline, I hate k-fee-like videos on youtube but they still are there. 17:43 Mikeonline thats another point 17:43 Mikeonline i hate being logged without prior approval 17:43 Krock ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KpGfnvHW0Tg ) 17:46 sfan5_ !title 17:46 MinetestBot sfan5_: K-Fee Werbung - YouTube 17:49 MinetestBot kaeza: 09-18 14:42 UTC like searching for two things at once? 17:50 Krock 2nd message coming 17:50 kaeza greetings 17:50 MinetestBot kaeza: 09-18 15:12 UTC Added. is that what you want? http://nimg.pf-control.de/MTstuff/modSearch.php?st=0&at=0&q=%5Bpipeworks%5D%7C%5Bmoreblocks%5D 17:50 * sfan5_ waves at kaeza 17:51 kaeza Krock, exactly, thanks! 17:51 Krock kaeza, np 17:52 kaeza Krock, the da was that (for example) looking for "mobs" ironically omitted MOBF (whose topic title is "Animals Modpack") 17:52 kaeza s/da/idea/ 17:52 Krock okay 17:52 * kaeza purrs at sfan5 17:55 kaeza well, that didn't work either :| 17:58 * DusXMT finds logging useful, especially public logging 18:10 bjrohan Is there a video setting in Mintest, either in the game or a config file to adjust the resolution? 18:11 RealBadAngel yes 18:11 bjrohan RealBadAngel: where would that be? 18:11 RealBadAngel https://github.com/minetest/minetest/blob/master/minetest.conf.example#L76 18:12 RealBadAngel minetest.conf.example is a good place to look for settings 18:12 bjrohan thank you 18:12 RealBadAngel np 18:25 bjrohan Calinou: Hi there, I just tried to use your More Blocks (downloaded a few minutes ago), upon game start, it throws an error, in debug it says: http://paste.ubuntu.com/8374147/ 18:26 Calinou hi 18:26 Calinou rename it 18:26 Calinou to just “moreblocks” 18:26 Calinou you should read the error message, it's informative enough :/ 18:27 bjrohan Calinou: I had tried renaming it with an underscore instead 18:27 bjrohan That worked, thank yo 18:29 Krock Pro tip: If the speakers have crappy sound, try to re-new the batteries lel 18:29 sfan5_ (77,5 KB/s) 18:29 sfan5_ wtf is wrong with imgur right now 18:30 SylvieLorxu Krock: What if the speakers have no batteries? 18:30 Krock SylvieLorxu, check if the PC shut down while you were checking for the speakers 18:36 Krock Staying Aliveeee aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah omg they have a breath 18:36 sruz25 it's time like this, when I'm compiling something bigger t 18:36 sruz25 hat I wish I had 18:36 sruz25 more than 2 1.9GHz cores 18:37 Krock sruz25, you'll get a cookie from me if you compile it sloer than me. 25 minutes adverage 18:37 Krock *average 18:38 sruz25 to be fair, I watched 720p video most of the time 18:39 sruz25 little over 16 minutes 18:39 sruz25 one less reason to install gentoo 18:40 DusXMT Gentoo isn't that terrible on slow machines, I ran it on a pentium 3 machine not long ago, 512M of ram 18:40 TBC_x I had gentoo once 18:40 TBC_x then i understood the joke 18:40 sruz25 doesn't it install from the source? 18:41 bjrohan Can someone point me in the right direction for installing mods via git? 18:42 DusXMT sruz25: Yup. But the package management gives you so much power that, when it comes to package management systems, I'd say `portage' is my second favorite. 18:42 DusXMT The USE flags are a terribly powerful feature 18:42 TBC_x protip: don't add +dev in your USE flags 18:43 TBC_x in your global USE flags 18:43 sruz25 not saying that it's bad, my uni uses it on most unix machines 18:43 sruz25 but compiling everything is just not something I'd like to do on mobile dual core 18:50 blaise you could always add a bin repo 18:50 blaise there are several public binary repo's for gentoo 18:58 sruz25 I'll probably give Arch a go eventually. Not saying "never Gentoo", but I have not plans for that. 18:59 sruz25 s/that/it/g 19:00 blaise I'm growing rather depressed that we don't have a good minecart solution 19:00 blaise :G 19:01 blaise is there no way to automate iron doors? 19:02 Krock mesecons? 19:02 blaise I tried, the switch isn't operating the door.. 19:03 blaise I thought it would.. 19:04 blaise but not the button? 19:04 * thefamilygrog66 thinks that pressure plates should be built into the doors mod 19:04 blaise a mesecon line? 19:04 blaise I don't want to use a plate becuase it can be triggered by mobs 19:05 blaise so I can't put the button right next to the door to operate it? 19:05 blaise I have to put it away from the door and run mesecons to it? 19:06 blaise he's not home 19:07 thefamilygrog66 I think I'm going to add pressure plates to the doors mod, just for the heck of it. 19:07 blaise I guess it's not such a big deal becuase we can operate the doors manually 19:07 blaise john_minetest: do you use carts? 19:08 bjrohan VanessaE: Can you point me in the right direction for adding mods via git? 19:09 blaise don't you need to establish a git account? 19:09 blaise also, they have rules about announcing mods on the minetest forum 19:11 VanessaE bjrohan: how do you mean? 19:11 VanessaE as in using git to manage them? 19:11 VanessaE or do you mean downloading? 19:11 bjrohan I think git to manage them. I am looking at your HDX texture, and in the inst it mentions using git 19:12 Calinou https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=9172&p=154600#p154229 19:12 Calinou cry over, Minetest is dead! 19:12 * Calinou really dislikes that kind of people 19:13 blaise minetest is dead?! 19:13 Calinou “I think what this game really needs is an art guy.” → can people stop saying this? 19:13 blaise What happened? 19:13 * blaise sobs profusely 19:17 Calinou the typical people who don't even comment on the PRs concerning such stuff (chat colours, player list) 19:21 bjrohan VanessaE: I think git to manage them. I am looking at your HDX texture, and in the inst it mentions using git 19:28 blaise yeah 19:28 blaise makes me sad 19:28 blaise hey, is servers.minetest.net/announce still down? 19:31 jp http://servers.minetest.net/ <- what happens there ? 19:35 erlehmann discuss! http://news.dieweltistgarnichtso.net/posts/minecraft-microsoft-territory.html 19:37 Calinou your links are undelined with dashes, putting the mouse on them does nothing 19:37 thefamilygrog66 jp: the server list is very incomplete 19:37 Calinou hey, disguised systemd hate, I see you 19:37 Calinou “Confict of interest disclaimer:” → nuff said 19:39 erlehmann Calinou i fixed the styling for the i element. 19:39 Calinou erlehmann, old minecraft.net says: “For survival mode, I'd rather make the game too difficult than too easy.” 19:39 Calinou who believed him? 19:39 Calinou the game kept being easier and easier on each update, for commercial reasons 19:39 erlehmann Calinou that's the point of the assemblage! 19:39 Calinou (most recent updates made it a tad harder though) 19:40 thefamilygrog66 Only 14 servers listed in the public list - something is not working... 19:40 erlehmann Calinou i would say that it is common in personality cults to believe people even if they indicate to do otherwise. 19:41 erlehmann but i have seen people releasing source code if they specified a date 19:41 erlehmann for example for unteralterbach, the author said that the source code would ruin the fun (as it contains many easter eggs) 19:41 erlehmann so it was released some months later 19:43 erlehmann Calinou i think there exist people who tend to believe such statements 19:43 erlehmann like the 9 year old son of a guy i know. 19:43 erlehmann too young to remember what microsoft does to acquisitions! :D 19:44 Hobodium I don't really understand the point of the article. It mentions the microsoft merger and then talks of assemblage, but I don't really get the purpose of bringing it up. 19:45 kereltis Hey guys 19:46 blaise servers.minetest.net/announce has been down for quite a bit now 19:46 erlehmann Hobodium i was just thinking if this is AN OUTRAGE or not and explained my “nope, everything is normal in proprietary software world” :D 19:46 blaise afaik, sfan5 has been working on it 19:46 erlehmann i think it is better to leave it more descriptive than judgemental. 19:47 erlehmann brb eating! 19:47 The_NetZ heyo o/ 19:47 Calinou for example for unteralterbach, the author said that the source code would ruin the fun (as it contains many easter eggs) 19:47 Calinou so it was released some months later 19:47 Calinou this is an extremely bad reason 19:47 blaise lol 19:47 erlehmann Calinou her original plan was to not release at all. 19:47 erlehmann but after 6 months, everyone had played it 19:47 Calinou should be releases from day 1 19:48 thefamilygrog66 played whatnow? 19:48 Calinou YARIG 19:48 Calinou (yet another random indie game) 19:48 thefamilygrog66 ah 19:48 The_NetZ so, M$craft refugee be I, and I think this minetest thing has real potential :) 19:48 erlehmann thefamilygrog66 http://unteralterbach.net (possibly extremely NSFW) 19:48 erlehmann Calinou we are on the same page, but “in 6 months” is a testable proposition. 19:48 Calinou >NSFW game 19:48 erlehmann Calinou so it is believable 19:49 erlehmann Calinou the systemd part is in there so people do not associate exterting territorial control it with dishonesty or closed source stuff. 19:49 erlehmann systemd people actually say they want control and act like it 19:49 erlehmann so this means that there is an opportunity for control even with access to source code! 19:49 blaise some people don't like systemd 19:50 blaise I for one won't have it on any machines I own 19:50 The_NetZ I like the idea of systemd, but I 19:50 The_NetZ 'm not pushing either way :) 19:50 * The_NetZ just likes arch :) 19:51 Hobodium I have a feeling this is a bad time/place to ask for more details on the systemd issue. It is definately something I don't have much of a grasp of. 19:52 blaise mostly I prefer to have things modular.. that way if a specific peice of code isn't functioning properly it wont effect the rest of the system 19:52 Calinou systemd is modular 19:52 The_NetZ a very good principle. 19:52 blaise systemd seems to want to take over the entire universe 19:53 The_NetZ yeah. each service has its own unit file ;) 19:53 blaise and if systemd fails, then what? 19:54 blaise I would rather use the original system V init 19:54 The_NetZ same thing that happens if another init system fails. 19:54 blaise not so much.. 19:54 shadowzone Calinou: I have a friend joining here. 19:55 shadowzone He want's to talk to you. 19:56 iqualfragile Calinou: thanks for the tesseract mapping tutorial 19:56 iqualfragile quite helpfull 19:57 WidDos Hey Calinou 19:57 The_NetZ terreracts make my head hurt :/ 19:57 shadowzone Here he is. 19:57 shadowzone Hi WidDos. 19:57 WidDos Hello Shadow 19:57 iqualfragile The_NetZ: tesseract.gg 19:58 The_NetZ iqualfragile: ah, some program or another? I'm just talking about the concept of a hypercube, lol. flatlanders and whatnot :) 19:58 nsfw Sep18[19:48:31] >NSFW game 19:59 nsfw a game about me? 19:59 Calinou iqualfragile, no problem 19:59 Calinou I would rather use the original system V init 19:59 Calinou slower… old stuff, which can be tedious to maintain… 19:59 Calinou iqualfragile, https://cdn.mediacru.sh/ixkAjDEFzCr2.jpg relevant :P 19:59 iqualfragile The_NetZ: yes, a game, based on cube2, take a trailer: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iqOtc2vSvWM&list=UUz_9NuuRuBm3nKCZav55g5w 19:59 WidDos What happen to Frog PvP? 20:00 The_NetZ iqualfragile: interesting, but I don't have the internet for watching youtube, lol. 20:00 The_NetZ may as well be on dialup 20:00 iqualfragile video is def worth it 20:01 blaise Calinou: I prefer OpenRC 20:01 iqualfragile Watur. 20:01 The_NetZ length? 20:01 Calinou needs a fairly fast graphics card, The_NetZ 20:01 blaise but i would take sysVinit over systemd 20:01 Calinou very few players… 20:01 The_NetZ Calinou: ah. I think I have a decent enough card :) 20:02 Calinou the diffuse texture I'm using is… 12,6 MB 20:02 iqualfragile Calinou: license? 20:02 The_NetZ Calinou: german? I think I recall the use of ' 20:02 The_NetZ ,' to separate decimals in german class 20:02 iqualfragile The_NetZ: no, he is a frenchman 20:03 Calinou iqualfragile, I can upload it if you want, CC0 20:03 The_NetZ ah. so then is that a general Europe thing then? 20:03 parabyte i installed worldedit where do i place mts files so i can import them into the map? 20:03 Calinou it doesn't look good to me though 20:03 Calinou I used this tool: http://neotextureedit.sourceforge.net/ 20:03 iqualfragile Calinou: i made a map, but the texures suck, any idea where to find better ones 20:03 Calinou http://opengameart.org/ 20:04 Calinou has tons of freely-licensed art 20:04 Calinou just browse the Texture section ;) 20:04 iqualfragile Calinou: oh, that tool looks really nice (and like java) but wouldn't it be better to use tesseracts texute blending abilities? 20:05 erlehmann Calinou systemd has modulas, but it is not modular. components of systemd communicate in systemd-spefific ways over a systemdbus. 20:06 Calinou iqualfragile, you like Java? welcome aboard! 20:06 Calinou no, it's just simple blending 20:06 erlehmann Calinou you mentioned working on a game? 20:06 Calinou it can't render textures 20:06 erlehmann show and tell? 20:06 Calinou erlehmann, yes, I work on a Minetest game 20:06 iqualfragile Calinou: i despise java 20:06 Calinou semi-active right now (doesn't need to change much): https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=15&t=9033 20:06 Calinou ah 20:07 erlehmann Calinou having modules does not help if they communicate using ill-defined or private interfaces. 20:08 erlehmann note that the common response of systemd developers is that you need to become part of the systemd assemblage – just implement systemd-specific interfaces! 20:08 erlehmann :D 20:08 erlehmann this is territorialization at its finest – and it does not even need to be closed source! 20:08 erlehmann i think they are doing it in a very very clever way 20:09 erlehmann Calinou that game looks awesome! 20:09 The_NetZ so tell me, does minetest support texture/resource packs? 20:10 TBC_x The_NetZ: texture packs 20:10 blaise yes 20:10 erlehmann ThatGraemeGuy indeeds 20:10 TBC_x I'm not sure about sounds 20:10 Calinou i think they are doing it in a very very clever way 20:10 blaise supports sounds 20:10 Calinou please don't treat them like evil people either 20:10 Calinou they are trying their best to help 20:11 ThatGraemeGuy eh? 20:12 erlehmann Calinou i don't treat them like evil people. i disapprove of their behaviour, but i still think they are highly talented programmers who have a hammer and prove conclusively that it is possible to nail the world. 20:12 erlehmann that is the ambivalence of the situation! 20:13 erlehmann systemd is better at many things that other software. but the nature of the systemd assemblage makes it impossible to get the good parts without the bad ones. 20:13 erlehmann and it did not have to be that way. 20:13 parabyte ah i figured out where to put mts schems 20:14 parabyte they need to reside in the world directory 20:14 parabyte okay how do i put my game into Creative mode? 20:14 parabyte is it all menu driven? 20:14 parabyte im connected to my own private server and i want to fly 20:16 parabyte or is there a fly? 20:16 Calinou well, systemd will be in a near-monopoly soon 20:16 Calinou kind of like Wayland over time? 20:16 erlehmann no, wayland is ex-X11-developers 20:17 erlehmann and it kinda makes sense 20:17 erlehmann they got fed up 20:17 The_NetZ TBC_x: location for reading up on? 20:17 The_NetZ heh. I like wayland's idea. 20:17 erlehmann Calinou there is no controversy about wayland as soon as one learn enough about it, while with systemd there is fractal disagreement – the more people learn about it, the more good and bad parts they find. 20:18 erlehmann i like waylands idea and dislike they did not go further (into plan9 territory) 20:18 TBC_x erlehmann: well... plan9 was writing into files... that means memcpy around 20:19 erlehmann TBC_x the interesting thing that applies to both plan9 and systemd (and pulseaudio) development is that plan9 hat namespaces and a sane clone(2) syscall 20:20 erlehmann and union mounts 20:20 erlehmann in X11, windows could not be files, because there are no namespaces on most unices 20:20 erlehmann in plan9, each window has its own namespace, with /dev/label representing window label and reading /dev/mouse gives mouse coordinates 20:20 erlehmann you *cannot* do this without namespaces 20:21 TBC_x oh namespaces 20:21 * shadowzone pokes Calinou 20:22 Calinou hi shadowzone 20:22 Calinou going to sleep 20:22 sfan5 >plan9 20:22 shadowzone WidDos need you. 20:22 * shadowzone tosses sfan5 a ball of yarn 20:22 The_NetZ plan9, isn't that the OS with the bunny mascot I've seen? 20:22 Calinou for what? 20:22 * shadowzone pokes WidDos 20:22 TBC_x The_NetZ: yes 20:22 blaze systemd is not immortal, some day it'll become real pain in the ass 20:23 WidDos I found something by C55: http://opengameart.org/content/16-%C3%97-16-pixel-art-textures 20:23 The_NetZ everything has a day to die :) 20:23 shadowzone WidDos, you can talk to Calinou now. 20:23 Calinou it's “made by c55” because many of the textures are from him 20:24 Calinou I've mostly modified them 20:24 Calinou nothing to fear 20:24 WidDos Ok. but Calinou did you ever host a server? 20:24 Calinou yes, exactly a year ago I started! 20:24 Calinou 2 years ago* 20:24 Calinou but I stopped exactly 23 months ago too :p 20:24 Calinou got bored 20:25 Amaz XD 20:25 shadowzone While I'm here can you guys check this out. https://github.com/TheShadowZone12/shadow_game 20:25 The_NetZ Calinou: eh, I've gotten out of the FPS genre. not my thing these days :/ 20:25 TBC_x i hate that old MT dirt texture 20:27 RealBadAngel The_NetZ, sounds can also be overwritten 20:27 RealBadAngel and stored on client side only 20:28 The_NetZ RealBadAngel: yeah. I like some of the things with minetest alot :) 20:28 RealBadAngel server doesnt even have to send sounds to client 20:28 The_NetZ many of the concepts are very very nice :) 20:28 The_NetZ eg, online official mod database, very cool. 20:29 RealBadAngel but most of them still need lotsa work 20:29 The_NetZ only beef is I'll have to learn to use yet another programming language XD 20:32 iqualfragile RealBadAngel: thanks for all the work you put in minetest 20:33 RealBadAngel iqualfragile, ty. what happened so you say that? 20:35 The_NetZ hey, I'm glad for something *not* owned by M$ to play :) 20:38 iqualfragile RealBadAngel: you continue to improve minetests graphics 20:38 iqualfragile (and other stuff) 20:38 RealBadAngel btw, how do you find highlighting? 20:39 iqualfragile quite nice, but 2 ideas for improvement: 20:39 iqualfragile 1. make the higligthing box a bit smaller 20:39 iqualfragile 2 use brighter versions of the nodes textures for the highlighting box 20:39 iqualfragile lel: http://who.is/dns/jamiehankins.co.uk 20:40 blaise The_NetZ: lua is pretty common 20:41 blaise It could be worse.. it could have been perl or something 20:41 RealBadAngel iqualfragile, ad1 theyre bigger on purpose to make halo visible 20:42 Hobodium You mean it could be lolcode 20:42 RealBadAngel ad2 highlighting doesnt use node textures 20:42 sruz25 it's a small thing, but god knows how annoying it (or rather lack of it) is: http://webmshare.com/o8QoL 20:42 RealBadAngel Lua is pretty nice language, makes nice pair together with c++ 20:42 The_NetZ blaise: yeah. I'm aware its pretty common, I just don't know it XD 20:42 The_NetZ I'd have shat brix if it was done in ruby, lol. <3 ruby 20:43 blaise I wish I was a better coder.. 20:43 The_NetZ RealBadAngel: so, in theory one could extract native MC textures and use those, correct? 20:43 The_NetZ I mean on a per-person basis, assuming you own M$craft XD 20:44 RealBadAngel ofc, there are lot of tps converted from mc 20:44 iqualfragile RealBadAngel: yes, bigger then the node, but a bit smaller then it is at the moment 20:44 RealBadAngel even there was one with original mc textures 20:45 iqualfragile and i think it would look good if it would use the node textures 20:45 VanessaE there. 20:45 VanessaE homedecor has more stuff. enjoy, folks. 20:45 The_NetZ so, where does one stick texture packs? 20:45 VanessaE The_NetZ: ~/.minetest/textures 20:45 VanessaE just put the whole folder there verbatim 20:45 The_NetZ VanessaE: ah, simple. 20:45 RealBadAngel then select it in main menu 20:46 The_NetZ would be a slight convenience if minetest created empty content roots automatically :) 20:46 erlehmann hahaha 20:46 erlehmann can someone tell me how to make a slime monster? 20:46 erlehmann just a hopping cube? 20:46 erlehmann that spreads slime? 20:47 VanessaE erlehmann: very carefully :P 20:47 TBC_x well... It'd be great if we could make minecraft_game in MT work 20:47 The_NetZ seems youd need the mod 'mob api' :) 20:47 erlehmann also is there an airship? 20:48 erlehmann cool! https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=6184 20:48 TBC_x just for the engine sake 20:49 RealBadAngel there was jumping slimes mod in the forums 20:49 RealBadAngel of any colors 20:49 erlehmann oh noes 20:49 erlehmann minetest is going 20:49 erlehmann MISSING SQL LOGIC OR MISSING DATABASE 20:50 erlehmann block failed to save 20:50 iqualfragile TBC_x: this was not done due to copyright questions 20:50 erlehmann what does that mean? 20:50 TBC_x ikr 20:50 VanessaE erlehmann: er...that's bad. 20:51 iqualfragile erlehmann: wtf did you do? 20:51 erlehmann VanessaE iqualfragile my /var partition is full? 20:51 iqualfragile that could explain it 20:52 iqualfragile i don't think minetest/sqlite handels that verry well/at all 20:52 TBC_x I mean in a way that we can introduce bosses, that don't lag and can have complex animations 20:53 TBC_x essentially make railcraft tanks possible 20:55 TBC_x multinode structures support in MT are needed just for doors sake 20:55 RealBadAngel we do already have such things 20:57 iqualfragile TBC_x: doors are not multinode structures, just two nodes interacting 20:57 iqualfragile TBC_x: but there is one interesting mod that actually creates entities from blocks 20:58 RealBadAngel also the tanks ;) 20:59 RealBadAngel https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Elstn-LahlI 21:00 TBC_x iqualfragile: I've noticed that doors are havin issues with prediction 21:00 iqualfragile TBC_x: prediction? what prediction? 21:00 iqualfragile there is no prediction 21:01 RealBadAngel https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CcQ--DOaEHI 21:01 TBC_x well... doors sometimes appear being broken... that may've been caused by network lag tho 21:02 TBC_x if prediction is not the case 21:04 iqualfragile TBC_x: yes, thats network lag 21:05 iqualfragile as all of minetests scripts are executed on the server and the client just gets audiovisuals there can't be prediction besides simple interaction (node breaking/building) 21:07 TBC_x maybe tweak the protocol a little 21:07 The_NetZ iqualfragile: honestly the idea of slime cube monsters predates minecraft by a long shot 21:07 The_NetZ I was playing D&D back when I was 8 and we had gelotinous cubes :) 21:08 TBC_x yeah, the first game i met with green slimes was warcraft I 21:08 iqualfragile yes, thats not a problem copyright wise 21:08 The_NetZ RealBadAngel: hey, the zip I found contains everything under a data folder, where do I stick this relative to ~/.minetest/textures/ 21:08 iqualfragile the problem would be creating minecraft_game 21:09 The_NetZ yep. 21:09 The_NetZ I know! build it and host it on a tor node server :) 21:09 TBC_x or just pretend it to be made by anonymous 21:10 The_NetZ hehe 21:10 TBC_x that's what i would do 21:10 RealBadAngel The_NetZ, textures shall be in a subfolder, /textures/your_pack/ ...files here... 21:11 RealBadAngel if not, then move them 21:11 The_NetZ RealBadAngel: so if the texture pack contains everything in one root folder, that should be just below textures, then? 21:12 VanessaE The_NetZ: if the textures are in a "data" folder, they're probably for 0.3.x and won't work with current minetest 21:12 iqualfragile The_NetZ: would not work, tor is a tcp-only network while minetest utilizes the udp protocoll 21:12 TBC_x oh man... i love ambience 21:12 VanessaE especially if they lack normal prefixes like default_*, wool_*, and so on 21:12 The_NetZ iqualfragile: I just mean as a filehost, not a server host :) 21:12 TBC_x i never thought it could do *that* much 21:15 iqualfragile TBC_x: wait untill you experience what it does for server load times 21:15 iqualfragile join mineguild.de and see 21:15 VanessaE haha 21:16 iqualfragile well, it would not even be that horrible but the minetest protocoll is horrible for file transfairs 21:17 TBC_x iqualfragile: MT should use file hashes and check local filesystem first, so it doesn't do unnecessary downloads 21:17 iqualfragile TBC_x: it does, kinda 21:23 bjrohan VanessaE: I am back after running some errands. Is it recommended to manage mods with git, or download them from the various sites manually? 21:23 VanessaE manage them with git if you can 21:23 VanessaE and you don't need an account to do that if you're just cloning 21:24 bjrohan VanessaE: Okay. I have an account that I created years ago for some odd reason. Can you point me in the right direction of a tutorial how to do this properly? I do have git already installed on my machine 21:24 TBC_x iqualfragile: well... i feel it tries to redownload all stuff when i try to reconnect 21:26 iqualfragile TBC_x: only on the first connect 21:26 iqualfragile bjrohan: git clone 21:26 bjrohan thanks 21:28 iqualfragile oor you use hg 21:29 bjrohan iqualfragile: what is hg? 21:29 iqualfragile bjrohan: another distributed version controll sysem, that i preferr 21:30 VanessaE oh G*d anything but hg 21:30 VanessaE :) 21:30 VanessaE sorry for the delay, I had to step away. 21:31 bjrohan If I have already installed a mod via reg download, can I still use git to update? 21:31 VanessaE no 21:31 VanessaE delete the other one first 21:31 VanessaE because it'll likely not have the git history, which is what's needed for updating later 21:32 bjrohan VanessaE: Okay. I am trying to install your HDX texture, on the site are links to the Repo, the link goes to a zip file, that isn't what I want to clone is it? 21:33 iqualfragile bjrohan: no, its not, git is not good with large not-text objects like textures 21:34 VanessaE bjrohan: use the repo link 21:36 VanessaE iqualfragile: you're right, but it's better to use git than zips though; i'd just rsync to somewhere instead if there were a graceful way for the average person to be able to clone the results. 21:37 bjrohan VanessaE: Okay, thanks 21:37 T4im iqualfragile: actually git can do pretty well with binary content.. it will use deltas with them just as with text.. it will even allow you do diff them, provided you tell git a tool that can diff such a binary object 21:37 T4im only merging is for obvious reasons not quite possible 21:37 FreeFull When I try to set minetest to use OpenGL, it ends up using burningvideo 21:38 FreeFull Which is rather slow 21:38 T4im also git only starts to have problems with objects if you talk gigabytes.. theres indeed a weakness.. in case you wanted version large images files for example.. textures are not even near that 21:39 T4im images as in filesystem images 21:39 FreeFull Anything I can do about that? 21:40 iqualfragile FreeFull: which os? 21:40 FreeFull Arch Linux 21:40 FreeFull Latest git minetest 21:41 T4im http://www.akikoskinen.info/image-diffs-with-git/ ;-) 21:43 FreeFull It seems to use burningvideo no matter what I set it to use 21:44 blaise I'm considering setting up a wireless access point for the sole purpose of hosting a minetest server for my local naborhood 21:45 FreeFull Ok, restarting it did it 21:58 Megaf [22:44:55] I'm considering setting up a wireless access point for the sole purpose of hosting a minetest server for my local naborhood 21:58 Megaf sounds nice 22:07 blaise I think I might leave it modless though 22:07 RealBadAngel that reminds me times when we wired 3 floors in a students hostel to play DN3D and warcraft :) 22:08 RealBadAngel now it could be way easier ;) 22:08 blaise RealBadAngel: token ring? 22:09 RealBadAngel yup 22:10 RealBadAngel but then sitting in front of the hostel with beer in hand and listening to the rocket fired on ground level, then going up 2 floor higher, boom, then "OH FUCK!" 22:11 RealBadAngel priceless :) 22:13 RealBadAngel everybody had decent audio set connected, so you could listen to elevators, explosions etc all around the hostel 22:14 RealBadAngel you cannot experience such thing playing online 22:16 Hobodium Maybe you don't, but I coded a GUI in visual basic so I can track IPs. Now when I play online I drive over and sit outside the window of the guy I hate the most just so I cna hear his lamentations when I destroy him. 22:17 TBC_x that's strange... social... interaction... 22:18 Hobodium It's an american thing, I'm sure. 22:24 blaise I want so bad to have atleast freight delivery via minecarts 22:24 blaise :( 22:24 blaise I would fork carts or something and try to make my own but I don't even know where to start 22:25 blaise is coal dust more efficient than lumps ? 22:28 blaise and there's so many forks already.. it seems the core code isn't tight enough for any kind of minecarts mod to function properly 22:36 _Esteban Hello? 22:36 _Esteban *tumbleweed passes by* 22:36 Jordach ello 22:37 Megaf blaise: why use minecars? 22:37 Megaf I just use pipeworks, teleporting tubes 22:44 blaise Megaf: are you able to climb into those tubes? 22:44 Megaf oh, no, you cant, but you can send items to them 22:44 TBC_x that wouldn't be a bad idea tho.. 22:45 TBC_x it popped into my head before 22:45 TBC_x when i was playing Minecraft the indie game 22:59 jin_xi some rgb nodes http://i.imgur.com/ocAyR1x.png 23:01 TriBlade9 Special mapgen jin_xi? 23:03 jin_xi its hmmms example lua mapgen with colors 23:03 TriBlade9 Ah, neat. 23:10 VanessaE jin_xi: wild 23:11 TriBlade9 What key is aux1? O-o 23:11 Mikeonline n8 23:13 * VanessaE looks at her universal remote 23:14 VanessaE TriBlade9: top row, left of the power button. 23:14 VanessaE ;) 23:14 TriBlade9 Euwot 23:15 TriBlade9 I'm trying to make a sprint mod x] 23:15 TriBlade9 Double-tapping W is a bit too server-intensive 23:16 VanessaE why not just have it automatically speed the player up if they've been running for more than a few seconds? 23:16 VanessaE you can set the run velocity can't you? 23:17 TriBlade9 Yea 23:17 TriBlade9 Meh, I'll just use the sprint mod 23:17 TriBlade9 I should look into making the FOV changeable from LU 23:17 TriBlade9 LUA 23:18 VanessaE Lua* 23:19 TriBlade9 Fine x] 23:19 TriBlade9 Just tested, sprint mod works perfectly with my movement changes 23:20 VanessaE cool 23:22 TriBlade9 Did you see the changes? 23:22 VanessaE no 23:23 TriBlade9 I'd say they really help: https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/1650 23:24 VanessaE nice 23:24 VanessaE hope that gets merged 23:25 TriBlade9 Test it out :3 23:25 VanessaE maybe later 23:25 TriBlade9 Oke :D 23:25 TriBlade9 What time is it where you are? 23:25 VanessaE so tired right now :-/ 23:25 VanessaE 7:25pm 23:26 TriBlade9 It seems like you're on all day/night 23:26 TriBlade9 O_o 23:26 TriBlade9 Big day? 23:26 VanessaE not really, just didn't sleep well 23:28 RealBadAngel dont listen to her, shes a channel bot almost ;) 23:28 TriBlade9 Sorry to hear that Nessa 23:28 TriBlade9 RBA, your selection system is growing on me a bit 23:29 * VanessaE shorts out 23:29 TriBlade9 Nessa, stop pouring water on yourself >_> 23:29 RealBadAngel what does it do? 23:29 TriBlade9 It doesn't help 23:30 parabyte hey guys i dont wish to sound silly but for the user who does not know anything is there any possibility for a installer for windows based minetest? 23:30 parabyte i do not run windows not tried it but i just been asked by a few of my younger players 23:30 RealBadAngel is uzipping such hard? 23:30 RealBadAngel *un 23:31 TriBlade9 ^ 23:31 RealBadAngel those youngsters nowadays are way too lazy 23:32 RealBadAngel parabyte, installing on windows is as hard as unzipping and clicking an exe 23:32 RealBadAngel nothing more 23:32 TriBlade9 Gotta go guys 23:32 TriBlade9 Nessa, get some sleep. x] 23:34 parabyte oh really lol 23:35 VanessaE yep, just unzip it to a folder on your desktop and run "minetest.exe" in the "bin" folder therein 23:35 VanessaE that's it. 23:35 parabyte okay i got another question i know C++ but never in my life looked at opengl and its wonders where on earth do i start? i do not believe i can get my head around gl but i am willing to give it a look scratching head ;) 23:35 VanessaE don't worry about opengl 23:35 VanessaE worry about learning irrlicht ;) 23:36 VanessaE the engine uses irrlicht to do the graphics work, irrlicht then uses opengl or directx or whatever 23:36 parabyte i presume that is a lib 23:36 VanessaE it's the main rendering lib Minetest uses 23:36 parabyte what i might look at over the weekend is the code for chat on minetest 23:36 parabyte is there code in there for tab complete for commands? 23:37 parabyte bash style tab complete or tab fail ;) 23:37 VanessaE yes 23:37 VanessaE in the F10 console there is nickname completion 23:37 VanessaE similar to IRC 23:37 VanessaE but not tab complete for commands et al. 23:37 parabyte oh blow me down i missed that one 23:38 VanessaE blow me down? who are you, Popeye? ;) 23:38 parabyte sometimes :P 23:38 parabyte i converted part of a map to minetest 23:38 parabyte never quiet went to plan 23:39 parabyte i will look in depth tomorrow as i wont be tired and not at work, but none of the iron blocks got converted using sf's script in mcedit 23:39 parabyte i may tweak the code so it just uses something else other then iron 23:40 RealBadAngel nore's converter was quite good 23:40 parabyte url? 23:40 parabyte and im not seeing any tab auto complete in F10 either im typing part of command 23:42 RealBadAngel https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=8729&p=153397 23:43 RealBadAngel https://github.com/Novatux/mcimport 23:43 parabyte ah thanks :) 23:51 tanath i wish minetest remembered window size 23:52 blaise isn't that the job of the window manager? 23:53 VanessaE indeed it is 23:53 VanessaE however, 23:53 VanessaE Minetest can be configured to set the windows size 23:53 tanath i mean between closing, reopening 23:53 VanessaE I know 23:53 blaise if i ctrl-click the X at the top right corner it remembers size and location 23:53 blaise it seems to work in windows too 23:53 VanessaE but if you'd like to set a default size, you can do that. 23:53 VanessaE # Initial window size 23:53 VanessaE #screenW = 800 23:53 VanessaE #screenH = 600 23:54 VanessaE minetest.conf 23:54 blaise yer 23:54 blaise and fullscreen = true/false 23:54 VanessaE this too 23:54 VanessaE uncomment those two lines of course 23:54 blaise although I prefer windowed mode maximized over fullscreen 23:54 VanessaE ditto 23:55 blaise for some reason I can't seem two switch virtual desktops in any window manager if minetest is fullscreen 23:55 blaise s/two/to/ 23:57 parabyte oh man irrlicht may take up some of my time! 23:58 VanessaE parabyte: if you're still sane when you're done, let us know ;) 23:58 parabyte yeah ill be seeing everything in voxels tomorrow 23:58 parabyte lol 23:59 VanessaE haha