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00:04 VanessaE you know, it just occurred to me what those three spikes in activity might have been this morning:  people waking up!
00:04 VanessaE time zones
00:04 VanessaE people wake up, flood minetest for a bit looking for minecraft alts, then that dies off as people go to school/work
00:05 VanessaE then the next flood an hour later
00:05 VanessaE and a third one and then that does it for the US
00:05 VanessaE then the afternoon flood as the UK'ers sign on
00:07 H-H-H VanessaE i went on one of your servers for the first time today and some idot built a bix around me so i couldnt move lol
00:07 H-H-H box even
00:07 VanessaE heh
00:08 VanessaE which server?
00:08 H-H-H i forgot now it was a few hrs ago :)
00:08 VanessaE free-for-all?  vanilla?  survival?
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00:09 H-H-H i think it was survival
00:09 VanessaE ok
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00:10 jray541 why is it that no matter what mod i try to load on my dedicated server it always gives me a error that it can't find a init.lua file?
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00:10 VanessaE jray541: that means you probably named the mod's containing directory wrong
00:10 VanessaE it's an easy mistake, one that a lot of people make
00:12 H-H-H btw nice homedecor mod :) i use it on my lan server
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00:13 VanessaE thanks :D
00:13 H-H-H all i need now is a fishing mod and i will be happy the onbe i have doesnt run :(
00:13 VanessaE there is such a mod I think, actually
00:14 VanessaE oh, you already said that
00:14 VanessaE derp
00:14 VanessaE note to self: read the whole sentence.
00:14 H-H-H yes there is but it barfs with a nill error lol
00:14 VanessaE what error?
00:14 H-H-H attempt to index global 'default' (a nil value)
00:15 VanessaE that's easy to fix.
00:15 VanessaE install minetest_game :)
00:15 VanessaE well maybe it's more than that ;P
00:15 H-H-H this is on my test system where minetest_game is run lol
00:15 VanessaE can you gimme a link to where you downloaded the failed mod from?
00:16 jray541 VanessaE: where are they supposed to be? mods folder?
00:16 H-H-H yeah sure hold on
00:16 VanessaE jray541: correct.  but the name of the mod itself matters too.
00:16 H-H-H https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=62751
00:16 VanessaE jray541: for example, if a mod says "SomeonesName-foomod-master" then you need to rename it to "foomod"
00:17 jray541 VanessaE: i did that
00:18 jray541 VanessaE: it can't find something that exists. permissions maybe?
00:18 VanessaE H-H-H: I think I see the error already
00:19 VanessaE jray541: can you pastebin the exact error messages please?
00:19 H-H-H nice :)
00:20 VanessaE H-H-H: ok as I thought.  in that fishing mod's folder, create a new file.   depends.txt
00:20 VanessaE H-H-H: inside this file put the word,  default
00:20 VanessaE save the file and try again
00:21 VanessaE H-H-H: put that depends.txt right there in the same folder as init.lua
00:21 jray541 VanessaE: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/8368546/
00:21 VanessaE jray541: rename that mod to "mobs"
00:21 VanessaE not "simplemobs"
00:21 VanessaE jray541: also, your paste got cut off at the right margin.
00:22 H-H-H worked thanks :)
00:22 VanessaE H-H-H: cheers :)
00:22 H-H-H hovercrafts and helicopters are fun to lol
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00:26 jray541 VanessaE: ok here you go http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/8368558/
00:26 jray541 VanessaE: i renamed mobs
00:26 VanessaE ok next.
00:26 VanessaE get rid of all mesecons components.
00:27 VanessaE instead, re-install mesecons as a self-contained modpack
00:27 VanessaE treat it as one big giant mod
00:27 jray541 ok
00:27 VanessaE it's already designed to be used that way anyhow
00:28 VanessaE that's why that microcontroller calls for "effector"
00:28 VanessaE this is a function supplied by another module in the mesecons modpack :)
00:28 jray541 so how would i go about that?
00:28 VanessaE just rip out everything related to mesecons
00:28 VanessaE delete it all
00:29 VanessaE then download this file:  https://github.com/Jeija/minetest​-mod-mesecons/archive/master.zip
00:29 VanessaE when it comes in, unzip it.
00:29 VanessaE it should produce a folder named minetest-mod-mesecons.  this is a modpack, so it doesn't matter what the foldername is.
00:30 VanessaE copy that to your mods folder.  then start the client and go to your world configure menu like you did with the other mods.  CLick the TOP item of the modpack only and click "Enable MP" at the top of the list.
00:30 Djohaal http://i.imgur.com/Yv5Cmn1.png
00:30 jray541 VanessaE: thank you!
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00:31 VanessaE jray541: you're quite welcome.  let me know when you get there.
00:31 VanessaE Djohaal: lol
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00:34 est31 its funny, I never have played minecraft, and I've played MT before, but now I returned because I read of MC in the news.
00:34 H-H-H the travelnets are fun to lol
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00:36 VanessaE est31: heh
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00:45 jray541 VanessaE: wait, world configure menu?
00:46 VanessaE jray541: in Single Player mode when you select a world, you can click "Configure" at the bottom.
00:46 VanessaE that's how you enable mods
00:48 jray541 VanessaE: but on my vps?
00:49 VanessaE jray541: oh derp :)
00:49 VanessaE what I do on my remote server is use the worldmods folder
00:50 VanessaE minetest/worlds/Name_of_your_worl​d/worldmods/minetest-mod-mesecons
00:50 grendal_prime ok sorry i had to bail a bit ago...motorsport shop called and i had to pick up my bike.
00:50 VanessaE if you just drop a mod or modpack into the "worldmods" folder (create it if it doesn't exist) the server will automatically start trying to use it at the next restyart
00:50 VanessaE restart*
00:51 VanessaE wb, grendal_prime
00:51 grendal_prime so ok basically i install some low resource intensive desktop like lxde or xfce and put the client on there then have them rdp into it and set up a world for the kids to play on.
00:51 VanessaE jray541: so all that stuff you do in world.mt is one way to turn them on.  putting them in worldmods is another, easier way
00:51 VanessaE grendal_prime: scroll up
00:51 VanessaE there's a better way
00:51 grendal_prime see what the want is control over the resources.. they want to use this for like a civil planning type exercise.
00:53 grendal_prime ya i understand that that all the clients can act as a server..but in this scenario they want to limit what resources they students have ...also they want to pause time so because this only happens onece a week.
00:54 grendal_prime this brings the next question though.  is there a way to fine tune what resources are available...like say we only wanted 1/3 of the map to be wooded?
00:55 VanessaE yes, you can tune these things, but I have never done it so I don't know how, myself
00:55 VanessaE at least not in the default mapgen
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00:55 VanessaE (I wrote plants_lib, which does these kinds of things, but it's not used in anything default)
00:55 VanessaE ^^^^^^^ he would know
00:55 VanessaE but he signed off :P
00:55 VanessaE paramat, you chicken!  get back here!
00:55 VanessaE :)
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00:56 grendal_prime some people i tell ya
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00:57 VanessaE heh
00:57 VanessaE paramat is the map gen god here.
00:57 VanessaE no one knows Lua mapgens better than him.
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01:02 proller very slow lua mapgens ;)
01:02 VanessaE /kick proller
01:03 proller again bad truth ?
01:03 jray541 VanessaE: new pastebin http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/8368705/ i cp all mods into worldmods so they are still sitting there too
01:04 VanessaE textures  ?
01:04 VanessaE what did you get that from?
01:05 VanessaE delete that.
01:05 jray541 VanessaE: oh i think that made its way out there when i messed up a copy
01:05 grendal_prime to give you an idea how much fun this is going to be. My son is building this server.  Its a rackable 1U industrial pc with 2 core duos it and 4 gigs of ram. we need a minetest logo sticker to put across the front of it to make it look like a mintes appliance.
01:05 jray541 earlier
01:05 VanessaE yeah you'll need to nuke that
01:06 VanessaE grendal_prime: I like :)
01:06 grendal_prime we are going to well this thing in and set it on the table and lights will shine down from heaven.
01:06 grendal_prime ahhhhhhhh aaaahhhhhh ahhhhhhhh
01:07 VanessaE lol
01:07 VanessaE rofl
01:07 jray541 VanessaE: pngs for moretrees lol mv back into their home
01:07 VanessaE oops!
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01:07 VanessaE skrewed up :D
01:07 VanessaE ok move that back where it goes
01:07 grendal_prime I may pipe in some Gregorian chanting in from the car
01:07 VanessaE and then try again :)
01:08 VanessaE grendal_prime: why do I get the feeling you're a Gabriel Iglesias fan? :P
01:08 grendal_prime also we are going to download the windows binarys and have them sitting on the apache server so they can http download them and install.
01:08 grendal_prime so what all should i throw on there, these will be all win7 clients im sure.
01:09 grendal_prime wham BAMN THEM KIDZ IZ PLAYEN.
01:13 VanessaE Windows clients and Dreambuilder Game ;)
01:13 VanessaE Carbone would be good too
01:13 VanessaE really though, get lots of mods
01:13 VanessaE your players will want lots of variety
01:15 jray541 VanessaE: new pastebin http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/8368745/ am i just naming the mods wrong?
01:15 VanessaE jray541: yep.
01:15 VanessaE that one should be pipeworks.
01:15 VanessaE make sure you have the VERY latest of that
01:15 VanessaE it's updated frequently
01:16 VanessaE btw we're talking in the development channel about a way to resolve this problem cleanly
01:16 VanessaE so that these naming issues cease to get in the way in the future
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01:19 kaeza_ yey
01:19 VanessaE wb :)
01:19 kaeza_ /ctcp kaeza_ VERSION
01:19 kaeza_ :P
01:19 * VanessaE hands kaeza_ a 10 kg sledge to kill the modem with.
01:19 VanessaE yay!
01:20 kaeza runs slow as hell under VBox
01:20 VanessaE but at least it RUNS :)
01:21 kaeza but oh well, I can't install directly unless they can guarantee me my modem will be able to connect
01:21 VanessaE what sort of modem?
01:21 kaeza_ lies, you are lazy
01:21 VanessaE hah
01:22 VanessaE I mean, it's ethernet right?
01:22 kaeza Huawei something USB wireless dongle
01:22 VanessaE then boot up a liveCD and see if you can connect.
01:22 kaeza it used to connect my (older) huawei under the (older) Lucid Puppy
01:23 VanessaE give a current ubuntu live image a try and see what it doed
01:23 VanessaE does*
01:23 VanessaE worst case you lose an hour or so to download/write the image
01:23 kaeza neither K- nor plain Ubuntu worked
01:23 VanessaE huh.
01:23 VanessaE try xubuntu then
01:24 VanessaE XFCE Is Your Friend™
01:24 kaeza maybe later; I have a 5GB/mo, remember? :P
01:24 VanessaE I thought you were gonna switch away from those guys? :-/
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01:25 jray541 LXDE lubuntu rocks
01:25 kaeza I am... SOON(tm)
01:25 VanessaE Soon.  heh
01:26 kaeza it's actually a diff company. the other one charged 500 $UY for 4GB, these charge 100 $UY for 5GB
01:26 VanessaE well that's better anyway
01:26 VanessaE but damn.
01:26 VanessaE 5GB cap, I'd blow through that in a few days :P
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01:31 grendal_prime hon hon hon (thats my dirty frenchmen impersonation) I just realized something very cool hahaha
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01:32 grendal_prime this box has vne extentions. Im pretty sure i can run virtualization on the hardware level. dude...
01:33 jray541 VanessaE: does it usually take a while to load mods the first time?
01:38 VanessaE jray541: yes if you have a lot of the,m
01:39 VanessaE them*
01:39 VanessaE also make sure you turn off preload item visuals if it's on
01:39 VanessaE (Settings tab)
01:39 VanessaE otherwise it'll take an extra long time for no good reason
01:41 VanessaE jray541: the game behaves as if it's a client and server (you probably saw something about "creating server" when you started the world) so it transfers the media from the mods' folders to a central "cache" folder, just as it would were you connecting to a remote server.
01:41 VanessaE (only it's faster, obviously)
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01:45 Brains VanessaE: I thought I heard that preload was broken.  Is it broken and slow or broken in a way that makes it slow or should I stop listening to the voices in my head...
01:45 grendal_prime werid...what is minetestc55?
01:46 grendal_prime thats the version that is offered by the ppa i added.
01:46 grendal_prime nevermind thats 4.10 probably the one i want to use i would suppose
01:46 grendal_prime the other version of it is 4.9
01:47 VanessaE Brains: it's just that it glitches for some folks, and it doesn't really serve a useful purpose anymore.
01:47 VanessaE better to turn it off.
01:47 Brains grendal_prime: c55 is a (the?) minetest dev
01:56 grendal_prime oh should i use 4.9?
01:57 grendal_prime werid i cant run minecraft with xrdp but i can vnc into it and run it.
01:57 grendal_prime also some error on creating world
01:57 Brains 4.10 is the current version IIRC.  It is certainly the one I'm using...
01:58 grendal_prime nevermind i got the world name issue worked out i had to sellect minetest
02:01 grendal_prime its up its working.  the xrdp thing is bothersome.
02:02 grendal_prime vnc on this machine is horrible. screen res is to high i think
02:02 grendal_prime is there anyway to start it without actually being in the game..like host it as an observer?
02:06 jray541 VanessaE: nice it all works
02:06 jray541 thank you much
02:07 TriBlade9 Working on player movement tweaks ATM
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02:22 Aika Is something wrong with public server list?
02:23 TriBlade9 I belive so Aika
02:23 TriBlade9 It's not working for me either
02:23 ShadowNinja Aika: Yep, it's having some issues.
02:23 Aika It just shows vanessae's and like 1 others
02:23 TriBlade9 Anyone want to test my movement tweaks?
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02:24 Aika and liberty land itself is laggy, can the public server list make an actual server lag??
02:24 ShadowNinja Aika: Nope.
02:24 Aika Hmm. But it seems so coincidental. haha
02:24 ShadowNinja Well, let me check...
02:24 Aika I think foreign governments are trying to take down minetest
02:25 TriBlade9 :O
02:25 Aika Someone better get it fixed though, all that revenue is lost every minute! haha
02:26 ShadowNinja Aika: It's done asynchronously, can't cause lag.
02:26 Aika k
02:26 TriBlade9 Trying to fix water sinking ATM
02:27 Aika How much of an overlap in people-types is there between minetest and anime-watchers, you think? lol
02:27 Aika Just a random question.
02:27 TriBlade9 what do you mean Aika?
02:27 Aika I'm 27, and just found out one of the most comforting and inspiration shows I've watched for two years is ending next episode, and I'm having a meltdown. lol
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02:28 TriBlade9 What show?
02:28 ShadowNinja Aika: IDK, probably just about impossible to know.
02:28 Aika Also, i feel like nerdy types tend to also be more anime friendly, and therefore I thought it'd be fun to see who acknowledges they watch it too lol
02:28 Aika Hunter X Hunter
02:29 TriBlade9 I watch almost no TV shows x]
02:29 TriBlade9 Sherlock, Elementary, Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D., and Futurama. That was the entire list of TV shows I've watched
02:29 Aika It'll started when I was about 20, and i ran out of decent shows on hulu ( there weren't many, still aren't), and eventually clicked on one of the more popular animes (they had TONS, people hated that), and I've never stopped having at least 1 regular every week since lol
02:30 Aika I love sherlock, shield and futurama
02:30 TriBlade9 Elementary is Meh compared to Sherlock
02:30 TriBlade9 But it's something
02:31 Aika Can you inform me about this past season? IS it done? How many episodes? are they they same basically?
02:31 TriBlade9 They're mostly the same, except for the ones involving Moriarty/Adler. And yes, I think it's done.
02:31 TriBlade9 Oh, and the last few episodes involving Mycroft are quite different
02:32 TriBlade9 But yeah, a lot of the episodes are just him solving ANOTHER murder >_>
02:32 Aika I totally forgot I haven't seen it. I literally might go watch them right now. I love that show.
02:32 Aika HE's so bad ass, I could watch it a thousand times haha
02:32 TriBlade9 Wait
02:32 TriBlade9 Sherlock or Elementary?
02:32 Aika sherlock
02:32 TriBlade9 The above described Elementary, not Sherlock
02:32 Aika oh
02:32 TriBlade9 Sherlock is awesome
02:32 Aika sad
02:32 Aika haha
02:32 TriBlade9 Elementary has better theme music though xP
02:32 Aika Yeah, hes like a super hero in sherlock
02:33 Brains We are getting a third season of Sherlock at some point, aren't we?
02:33 TriBlade9 Yep
02:33 TriBlade9 2016
02:33 Aika Thats what i was asking about
02:33 TriBlade9 :(
02:33 Aika 2016!!!! :(
02:33 TriBlade9 Or late 2015
02:33 Aika Anyone watch Sword Art Online? Attack on Titan?
02:33 Aika lol
02:34 TriBlade9 And season 4 is coming in 2015/16, Season 3 is done
02:34 TriBlade9 I don't watch anime :P
02:34 TriBlade9 Guys, what things do you think need to be fixed with player movement?
02:34 Aika Haha, anime is super massed produced and most follow set patterns, but there's consistently like a top 5% that basically every adult I know would love
02:35 TriBlade9 Ooooh, Minetest_game is at 333 commits :D
02:36 Aika That seems low, to me, as just a casual linux user with no coding skills. Thats like every commit ever made?
02:36 TriBlade9 No, just since the repo split
02:37 TriBlade9 Anyways, I'd like someone to tell me what they think needs to be fixed with player movement, so I can see if there's anything else before I PR my branch
02:38 Aika I would comment but I haven't observed other players that much, I just started playing 3 weeks ago on a regular basis and have only played alone mostly so far
02:40 Aika So far, since I've played, I think my personal wishlist would be improving that chat, mobs, and sounds. I wish I had actual skills to do things.
02:40 TriBlade9 Playing alone is fine
02:40 TriBlade9 I'm just talking about how the players move, like jumping and stepping
02:40 TriBlade9 I've made jumping more reliable and responsive, and sinking faster
02:41 TriBlade9 I'm wondering what else could be useful (other than gradual velocity, I don't have time to do that)
02:41 Aika I always think jumping up and putting a block under myself is kind of messy
02:41 TriBlade9 Fixed :D
02:41 Aika Nice! It seems like I had to wait to jump up and fall down some before I clicked. I couldn't tell if it was my slow computer though.
02:41 TriBlade9 'cept sometimes you still place two blocks on a jump, but it was like that before my patches too
02:42 Aika When people fix things like you just did, what technical skills are you using?
02:42 TriBlade9 C++
02:42 TriBlade9 But really, I've only changed a few numbers
02:43 TriBlade9 Do you know how to compile the game?
02:43 Aika Is it normal for games to be in C++? Aren't facebook and heavy websites in C++?
02:43 Aika Yeah I do
02:43 TriBlade9 C++ is mainly for heavy desktop applications
02:43 TriBlade9 And usually powers the servers behind websites
02:44 TriBlade9 But it's a relatively low-level language
02:44 TriBlade9 Much harder to learn than even Java (IMO)
02:44 jordan4ibanez I can't wait until people are scared by me saying "boo" "happy halloween" and "merry christmas" in reverse
02:44 TriBlade9 I'm quite bad at c++, and my job is to debug industrial systems
02:44 TriBlade9 samtsirhc yrrem!
02:45 Aika jordan4ibanez: haha wahattttt
02:45 Brains Heh, Java annoys the heck out of me but C++ never really bothered me.
02:45 Aika Ohhh. Interesting. I feel like I mainly hear about python, C, js, ruby, java, lamp-stuff.
02:45 TriBlade9 C++ has too many operators to remember
02:45 jordan4ibanez Hang on I'll upload the sounds to the github
02:45 TriBlade9 Such as ->, >>, <<
02:45 Brains Bah
02:45 Aika Whats lua used for with minetest? I hear about that regarding mt
02:45 TriBlade9 jordan4ibanez, mind testing my player movement branch before I PR it?
02:45 TriBlade9 Mods
02:46 VanessaE Aika: it's the modding and game language
02:46 VanessaE it's what provides all of the content you see in-game
02:46 TriBlade9 https://github.com/TriBlade9/​minetest/tree/player_movement
02:46 Aika Like how items and such are made?
02:46 TriBlade9 Precisely Aika
02:46 * Brains will have to see about playing around with the code once he gets his machine back to normal.  Love/hate reinstalls...
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02:48 jordan4ibanez Aika: https://github.com/jordan4ibanez/Infinite-Adven​ture/tree/master/mods/experimental/magic/sounds
02:48 jordan4ibanez And I can't right now TriBlade9
02:48 Aika lol k
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02:48 TriBlade9 Okay jordy
02:48 TriBlade9 I'm just afraid to PR until I know there's not some major bug
02:49 TriBlade9 I know how unforgiving some people can be in PRs x]
02:49 jordan4ibanez goodnight people!
02:49 TriBlade9 night
02:51 Aika I would look at it, but I bet the old laptop I'm stuck with now would take 8 hours to compile it.
02:52 TriBlade9 Likely
02:52 TriBlade9 Meh, I'll just Pr it
02:53 Aika lol http://fc08.deviantart.net/fs71/i/201​0/224/c/0/Fuckitol_by_TpmDesigns.jpg
02:54 Aika gonna go play, peace
02:58 TriBlade9 bai
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03:02 blaise hrmm
03:02 TriBlade9 hrmmmm
03:02 blaise I wonder if it would be possible to make a portableapps minetest install
03:06 blaise I bet it would increase popularity a good bit
03:09 VanessaE blaise: what would this do?
03:10 grendal_prime ya and vnc chocks on this thig
03:10 grendal_prime grrr
03:11 TriBlade9 Just wondering, is bouncy_jump what happens when you hold down the spacebar?
03:12 TriBlade9 Or is that something totally different?
03:12 blaise VanessaE: portableapps.com has this thing you can install on a flash drive.. little launcher type menu that's pretty customizable.. with minetest on there people could just plug in anywhere and play.. and the launcher will automaticly update apps as needed
03:12 VanessaE blaise: ahh
03:12 VanessaE could be useful
03:14 grendal_prime ok so say i make a world, how do i upload it..just ssh it up to the server and put it into.grr...
03:14 grendal_prime i got another idea
03:15 blaise VanessaE: I was just thinking the same thing.. :D
03:15 blaise I keep a few portableapps flash drives handy because of the handy tools..
03:15 blaise and then to have minetest on there..
03:16 blaise being on a usb3 flashdrive is pretty snappy.. XD
03:18 blaise there's lots of cool games on there anyway
03:18 blaise I like the xpenguins
03:24 jojoa1997 waaaa?
03:24 jojoa1997 I was on irc this entire time!
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03:26 TriBlade9 ohi jojoa
03:26 jojoa1997 hi TriBlade9
03:26 TriBlade9 Hi
03:26 TriBlade9 Trying to rebase all my branches, this is such a pain >:I
03:26 jojoa1997 Steam takes forever to load
03:27 jojoa1997 TriBlade9 can I see a link?
03:27 jojoa1997 \doanload
03:27 TriBlade9 Which branch?
03:27 jojoa1997 do you use github?
03:27 TriBlade9 Yes
03:27 jojoa1997 then the link to your repos
03:27 TriBlade9 http://github.com/TriBlade9/minetest
03:28 jojoa1997 :)
03:28 TriBlade9 Working on player_movement right now
03:28 TriBlade9 It makes jumping and falling more responsive, and as a side effect, makes placing blocks under you while jumping easier and less likely to place 2 at a time
03:29 blaise lol
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03:29 jojoa1997 hhhh
03:29 jojoa1997 on Leadcraft
03:29 jojoa1997 Got mad because Microsoft bought Mojang, so began developing again for MineTest.
03:29 jojoa1997 It should be Minetest
03:30 TriBlade9 Odamnit
03:30 TriBlade9 Wait, how'd ya know about LC?
03:30 blaise so I guess servers.minetest.net/announce is just down?
03:30 blaise XD
03:30 blaise !server midnight
03:30 MinetestBot ConnectionResetError: [Errno 104] Connection reset by peer (file "/usr/lib/python3.4/socket.py", line 371, in readinto)
03:30 blaise oh yeh
03:30 blaise !up midnightsystems.net
03:30 MinetestBot midnightsystems.net:30000 is up (514ms)
03:30 blaise lmao
03:30 jojoa1997 TriBlade9
03:30 jojoa1997 Look at your github page
03:30 TriBlade9 jojoa1997
03:30 TriBlade9 Website is on there isn't it
03:30 jojoa1997 it shows that link as your site
03:31 TriBlade9 Yep
03:31 TriBlade9 Problem officer? x]
03:31 jojoa1997 Yes
03:31 jojoa1997 I just mentioned Minecraft related stuff in here
03:31 jojoa1997 before you execute me
03:31 TriBlade9 Fo shame
03:31 jojoa1997 Windows 7 IS DA BEST!!!
03:31 blaise pfft
03:32 TriBlade9 DIE YOU FOUL FIEND
03:32 blaise lmao
03:32 dead_jo YOU ARE SO MEAN
03:32 blaise Linux vaio 3.16.2-gentoo #1 Wed Sep 10 16:44:22 EST 2014 i686 Intel(R) Pentium(R) M processor 1.73GHz GenuineIntel GNU/Linux
03:32 TriBlade9 j/k
03:32 blaise hehe
03:32 dead_jo I ALREADY HAVE SELF estem issues!
03:32 dead_jo YOU ARE HORRIBLE!!!!
03:32 * dead_jo wails
03:32 jojoa1997 man that dead_jo is sucha  cry baby
03:33 jojoa1997 he needs to be like me and toughen up
03:33 TriBlade9 jojoa, Check out the player_movement branch, I think it's ready to PR :D
03:33 jojoa1997 Ok
03:33 jojoa1997 I cant
03:33 H-H-H hey guys just out of curiosity is there a way to make it always one time lol instead of it cycling through day and night?
03:33 jojoa1997 Because I cannot compile minetest on Windows
03:33 TriBlade9 Orite
03:33 jojoa1997 because the process just never works
03:34 jojoa1997 I really want someone to make a python/batch script to do it for me
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03:35 jojoa1997 Also even if I was able it takes way to long
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03:38 TriBlade9 Just opened a PR for it
03:38 jojoa1997 PR?
03:38 * H-H-H is looking into compiling minetest to run on a beaglebone
03:38 jojoa1997 oh
03:39 jojoa1997 beaglebone?
03:39 jojoa1997 oh pull request
03:40 TriBlade9 Oh come on
03:40 TriBlade9 The page didn't load
03:40 jojoa1997 BOOM
03:40 jojoa1997 I have lost all want and ability to control what I am thinking
03:41 jojoa1997 pickles tast good when reading about the adventures of emeralds
03:41 TriBlade9 https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/1650
03:41 H-H-H BEAGLEBONE IS A SINGLE BOARD COMPUTER THAT CAN RUN LINUX OR ANDROID OR WINDOWS CE
03:41 H-H-H o crap sorry for caps
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07:22 TriBlade9 Is there a function like minetest.onplayermove?
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07:24 kaeza no, but you can easily compare positions from an on_globalstep() callback
07:24 TriBlade9 IK, but that's quite slow
07:26 TBC_x god damn EU bullshit
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07:26 kaeza calling Lua every time a player moves would be equally slow; with on_globalstep, you can check the pos every x seconds (x may be 0 < x <= 1)
07:26 TBC_x i hate those "cookie warning" things
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07:27 TriBlade9 Also, you can't get pointed thing from player can you?
07:27 kaeza not easily, I'm afraid
07:27 RealBadAngel TriBlade9, you can
07:27 Xlaits Anyone know how to separate stacks on the android port?
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07:27 kaeza oh wait, yes
07:28 TriBlade9 How RealBadAngel?
07:28 * TriBlade9 Is writing a WAILIA-type mod
07:30 kaeza WAILIA?
07:30 TriBlade9 What Am I Looking At
07:30 TriBlade9 *WAILA
07:31 kaeza oh, I see
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07:31 kaeza (pun not intended)
07:31 Xlaits Anyone?
07:32 TBC_x thanks god for adblock
07:32 TriBlade9 Right now it only updates on punch, not on looking at a new item.
07:32 TriBlade9 IKR TBC_x
07:36 Xlaits Anyone know how to separate stacks on the android port?
07:36 Xlaits Or do my posts seem to not show up?
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07:36 TriBlade9 No idea Xlaits
07:36 TriBlade9 Hi ruben!
07:37 rubenwardy Grr, changed my irc password and now I have forgotten it
07:38 TriBlade9 :L
07:39 Cylus rubenwardy: I think NickServ can send password resets to your email address on this server.
07:40 rubenwardy I haven't been disconnect yet
07:40 rubenwardy That is weird
07:42 rubenwardy Anyway, Hi All!
07:42 TriBlade9 Hi ruben!
07:42 TriBlade9 What's up?
07:43 rubenwardy I have a personal statement to finish by tomorrow for my University application (Oxford). At the moment I am just waking myself up in my college's library.
07:45 TriBlade9 Good luck :)
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07:45 TriBlade9 Btw, is there any method to set FOV yet?
07:46 rubenwardy No
07:46 rubenwardy Ctrl+f doesn't find it in here: https://github.com/minetest/mine​test/blob/master/doc/lua_api.txt
07:47 TBC_x how come that arch's minetest 4.10 from community contains only minetest_game and minimal?
07:48 rubenwardy https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/1075
07:48 rubenwardy TBC_x what do you mean? In games/?
07:48 rubenwardy Have they started adding more games to games/?
07:48 TBC_x yes, I thought that 4.10 is supposed to have more games
07:48 TBC_x included
07:49 TBC_x at least, I read that on forums
07:50 rubenwardy I didn't think that actually happened. Some unofficial builds contain other games. I am not sure, I don't download Minetest from minetest.net. I build it myself.
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07:51 TBC_x i should be probably less lazy
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07:57 MinetestBot [Git] maciej.kasatkin@o2.pl -> minetest/minetest: Bugfix: don't highlight air nodes. 86a0f56 http://git.io/ffwpOQ (2014-09-18T09:56:27+02:00)
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08:04 Megaf Hi all
08:04 rubenwardy Hi!
08:04 kaeza hi
08:04 Megaf :D
08:04 Megaf jp: How was my server this morning? Any lag?
08:05 jp haven't noticed high lag Megaf
08:05 jp btw, homedecor updated
08:05 Megaf ok
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08:06 Megaf Im backing up everything now
08:06 jp place a beer tap, take a drink cup in your hand, punch on it and... surprise !
08:06 Megaf hm
08:06 jp *drinking glass
08:07 Megaf RealBadAngel: Dont highlight air nodes, heh, is not a bug, it's a feature!
08:07 rubenwardy How did that even happen
08:07 rubenwardy ?
08:08 kaeza TIL MOBF supports intllib
08:08 kaeza :D
08:08 Megaf air nodes are nodes too, quite easy to get them to highlight rubenwardy
08:09 RealBadAngel Megaf, its a bug
08:09 Megaf Im just joking RealBadAngel
08:09 RealBadAngel but in the first place bigger bug is that air nodes do have selection boxes
08:10 RealBadAngel and that also has to be fixed
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08:11 Megaf RealBadAngel: isnt there a way to replace air nodes by nothing?
08:11 RealBadAngel air is nothing?
08:11 rubenwardy Megaf: like 'ignore'?
08:12 RealBadAngel afaik paramat was replacing all air nodes with vaccum
08:12 Megaf I mean, since air nodes are nodes, they have to be stored and loaded
08:12 Megaf If theres no air nodes, then theres nothing to be loaded and stored
08:12 RealBadAngel Megaf, nothing is also a data
08:13 RealBadAngel it doesnt pop out of a magician hat
08:13 Megaf Ok
08:13 Megaf I think I'm not quite right this time
08:14 kaeza how did it work with regular highlighting?
08:16 RealBadAngel theres a check for it
08:16 RealBadAngel in my code it was a matter of refreshing that
08:17 RealBadAngel before enigine did refresh pointed_thing mesh was updated first
08:17 RealBadAngel with air in place of previously pointed node
08:18 RealBadAngel so you were able to see for a short blink highlighted air
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08:20 Megaf !server Megaf
08:20 MinetestBot Megaf: No results
08:21 Megaf !up minetest.megaf.info 30003
08:21 MinetestBot minetest.megaf.info:30003 is up (1924ms)
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08:23 john_minetest hi
08:23 Megaf jp: it would be nice if you could hold an empty glass of beer and then right click the beer tap and get it filled up
08:23 Megaf similar code of buckets could be used
08:23 Megaf Hi john_minetest
08:23 jp redundant with the actual drinking glass...
08:24 ThatGraemeGuy bucket uses punch to fill it up
08:26 john_minetest ⌲⌴⌲ ovo
08:27 Jordach teh karma on /r/minetest is easy to pick
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09:00 Megaf jp: A frosty cold beer!
09:00 Megaf Whoah!
09:00 jp hehe
09:00 Megaf john_minetest: we have a pub and beer now on my server!
09:01 john_minetest Didn't we have pubs before?
09:01 john_minetest One just in front of my door and another one at spawn. The irish pub.
09:01 Megaf yep, but now we have glass of beer and beer taps
09:01 john_minetest :D yay
09:08 ThatGraemeGuy if you drink enough beer does the player fall over? :-)
09:26 Megaf ThatGraemeGuy: heh, a player made the same question on my server
09:26 Megaf there should be a way to implement that
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09:53 TBC_x mod downloading should use bitTorrent
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10:03 TBC_x is there a way to add splashing sounds? besides ABM?
10:08 RealBadAngel TBC_x, https://forum.minetest.net/v​iewtopic.php?f=11&amp;t=2807
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10:15 john_minetest http://www.smbc-comics.com/?id=113#comic
10:15 TBC_x RealBadAngel: ty, gonna look at it
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10:16 jin_xi RealBadAngel: http://youtu.be/ac-DGUwjzRM now using render to texture. its much saner in a way but static. i think shader nodes have potential!
10:17 JTE_ why does grass teleport infinitely upwards oo;;;
10:20 Jonuz Btw, doesnt microsoft care about minetest or why they allow you to make clone from their game?
10:21 TBC_x minecraft is/was a colone of infiniminer
10:22 john_minetest There is no patent on "voxel games".
10:22 john_minetest And as long as we are not using minecraft textures or code, we are safe.
10:22 jin_xi Jonuz: Mojang didn't mind the clones, MS might do
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10:23 Jonuz TBC_x: I dont really think that ms does care about that
10:23 john_minetest We should really set up a FAQ about that minecraft & copyright thing.
10:23 TBC_x Jonuz: MS cares only about monopoly
10:23 jin_xi someone raised the point that one could argue minetest is similar in both name and nature
10:23 Jonuz And they don't have to, even idea of name is copied from minecrafrt
10:23 Jonuz minecraft*
10:23 RealBadAngel jin_xi, with rendering to textures youre losing quality a lot
10:24 jin_xi but then minecraft is hardly an original name
10:24 john_minetest jin_xi: Well, "infiniminer" is also similar to "minecraft"
10:24 Jonuz john_minetest: that would be nice :-D
10:24 jin_xi RealBadAngel: set texture to 64px, could easily do more and make it a nodedef option
10:24 Jonuz I mean about FAQ
10:24 jin_xi but get a lot of alias with higher values and this particular shader
10:24 TBC_x and what about warcraft?
10:25 john_minetest I think that this question will come up more and more often, now that people are getting away from minecraft
10:25 TBC_x shouldn't MS sue blizzard for name similarity?
10:25 jin_xi anyway, i still would like to figure out a way to use the more dynamic approach of before, so animated and reactive shaders are possible
10:25 Jonuz blizzard have resources to fight back
10:26 jin_xi minetest is a name that evokes some questions anyway... lots of people don't really like it
10:26 john_minetest I like it.
10:26 john_minetest You can still play freeminer.
10:26 Jonuz librecraft would be nicer :-D
10:27 TBC_x and something craft-less?
10:27 ThatGraemeGuy click clicky diggy buildy
10:27 john_minetest digtest!
10:27 * ThatGraemeGuy runs
10:27 john_minetest :P
10:27 jin_xi john_minetest: its just an observation, the question if this is gonna stay a test forever comes up every now and then
10:27 jin_xi i couldn't care less about the name tbh
10:27 john_minetest Then we just write it in the FAQ and point people to it.
10:27 Jonuz does minetest server use less memory compared to minecraft?
10:28 TBC_x minetest - a mining game that has to be tested by time
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10:28 john_minetest Jonuz: I guess it depends on how you use the server.
10:28 Jonuz vanilla with 100 client
10:29 john_minetest And the minecraft one?
10:29 john_minetest There are several servers for minecraft iirc.
10:29 Jonuz oh
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10:34 asie I should make some Minetest mods
10:35 jin_xi why not a whole game?
10:36 asie not sure if i have the energy
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10:37 john_minetest http://www.smbc-comics.com/?id=165#comic
10:38 jin_xi yes, its hard. most games are single dev efforts so far i think
10:39 jin_xi mine is long abandoned
10:39 asie yeah
10:43 sruz25 is there some sort of detailed documentation to the engine? It's not hard to roughly figure out what most things do, but it definitely could use more comments...
10:45 sruz25 seems like it's never specified what the function/class does, so one has to alway guess from names and such
10:46 sruz25 s/alway/always/g
10:52 RealBadAngel hi asie, you really should, youre good at it
10:53 asie RealBadAngel: I did when I was 13
10:54 asie Right now I'm saving up energy for a soon-to-come wallet loss
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10:54 TBC_x oh man, that ambience mod is awesome
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10:58 jp RBA, just an idea : show the hidden settings (like node highligthing) through an "Advanced settings" button into the GUI settings tab.
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11:05 Megaf !seen Jeija
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11:05 Megaf whats Jeijas nick on IRC?
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11:15 Megaf VanessaE: Can you please help me with fences?
11:16 Megaf Im trying to create a new fence but I cant get the texture right
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11:21 raffahacks Hi
11:21 Megaf Hi raffahacks
11:21 jp hi
11:22 Megaf VanessaE: nevermind, I have found my mistake, good code you have by the way
11:29 raffahacks VanessaE, I discovered there's a formula for watt calculus and required volts for audio amps
11:30 raffahacks I won't get all the power or quality of 16v at 7
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11:34 Jordach asie, you mean steam sales?
11:34 asie Jordach: no
11:34 asie i mean weeaboo figurines
11:34 Jordach ah
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11:43 sruz25 can't find mouse click event handling, is it not in the_game?
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11:48 Megaf yay! a conducting fence! https://forum.minetest.net/vi​ewtopic.php?p=154504#p154504
11:49 jin_xi sruz25: game.cpp line 3009
11:50 sruz25 thanks
11:50 sruz25 I was a bit confused by most other keys being handled elsewhere.
11:50 sruz25 kind of makes sense though
11:51 jin_xi ack to the rescue! its like grep but i can use it
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11:54 jojoa1997 hi
11:57 sruz25 hmm, it looks like useful tool for source code search
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12:06 john_minetest http://www.smbc-comics.com/?id=3302#comic
12:07 Megaf thats sad
12:09 sruz25 good thing I'm euro"poor"
12:10 Jordach welcome to Europe. where healthcare and education is free and of high quality
12:10 Jordach except the UK
12:10 Jordach Uni here is terrible
12:10 Jordach (more likely to get knifed on the way home)
12:11 sruz25 I'm pretty sure it's still way better than romania or ukraine
12:12 Jordach sruz25, nowadays you don't need a PC or console to experience war
12:12 Jordach it's in nearly most people's gardens
12:13 sruz25 I thought there's some sort of howisitcalled - /temp/peace
12:14 sruz25 ceasefire?
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12:15 Jordach john_minetest, here's what i'm having to do on my course right now: https://cdn.mediacru.sh/vatsR3vtvVRL.png
12:18 sruz25 learn by example :^)
12:18 Megaf john_minetest: https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.p​hp?f=11&amp;t=628&amp;p=154504#p154504
12:18 Megaf and I have already added it to my server
12:19 Jordach sruz25, not really, i did all this shit last year during Comp Sci
12:20 john_minetest niiice
12:20 Jordach one part of the course is computer animation
12:21 sruz25 well, it's not like we have shortage of shitty "it" UNIs....
12:21 sruz25 there are some good ones too luckily
12:22 sruz25 Megaf: electricity damage/isolated fences might be another thing to add
12:23 sruz25 not that isn't nice
12:23 Jordach john_minetest, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D0vzOwHVRI8
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12:30 twoelk Jordach: that boss in the paper looks familiar to people I had to work with ;-)
12:37 Jordach http://youtu.be/IiCPg1tR-V4?t=2m53s
12:37 twoelk discussion I just had two days ago:  someboss: what are you actually doing for us when you say sysadmin stuff? me: watching the system is stable and clearing issues. boss: it is stable, last crash was 2 years ago. me: yeah remember, I was on holiday then and nobody was doing sysadmin when it happened. Boss: so we only need you every 2 years!
12:37 Jordach /r/montageparodies
12:41 Jordach https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AvnjmBJOYRs
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13:41 RealBadAngel lol
13:43 sruz25 Hover matter only for gui drawing, right?
13:43 sruz25 *matters
13:46 sruz25 what I mean is, if there's event type like "hovered_object_changed" or something
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13:57 Jordach >POWERPNT.exe *32
13:57 Jordach ಠ_ಠ
13:57 shadowzone Hi Jordach.
13:57 shadowzone And lol.
13:57 Jordach >32bit >2013
13:58 shadowzone ò_Ó
13:59 Jordach ಠ_ಠ
13:59 Jordach >steam >32bit#
13:59 Jordach OH PLS
14:00 shadowzone °¸°
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14:01 rubenwardy Hi all!
14:01 shadowzone Hi rubenwardy, how are you?
14:01 rubenwardy Good thanks.
14:01 shadowzone Your welcome.
14:07 rubenwardy et toi?
14:08 shadowzone o.O
14:10 rubenwardy "and you?"
14:11 sruz25 32bit is overrated
14:11 sruz25 it's nice for things that use a lot of memory, but that's about it
14:13 shadowzone I am good.
14:13 shadowzone I'm making my first minetest game.
14:13 sruz25 and I still didn't figure out where SEvent comes from and even ack/qtcreator's "go to definition" didn't find the definition
14:14 rubenwardy Awesome. I kind of gave up on my Capture The Flag game
14:14 shadowzone Mine is pretty simple/
14:15 shadowzone I am pretty new to lua and C and those types of things I'm just trying to see if I can get is compatible.
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14:16 rubenwardy Hello hoodedice!
14:16 rubenwardy Hello hmmmm!
14:16 rubenwardy :P
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14:16 Jordach pls
14:17 hoodedice Hi rubenwardy!
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14:23 john_minetest 32 bit is awesome
14:24 john_minetest It is horrible to switch to Protected mode and then to long mode before you can do any stuff.
14:24 alket I installed homedecor , but how do i get signs with /giveme ?
14:24 john_minetest signs?
14:28 shadowzone What color do you want?
14:29 RealBadAngel alket, install UnifiedInventory, it will let you know all the item names
14:30 alket john_minetest, yes
14:30 Jordach shameless plug
14:30 alket shadowzone, any
14:30 alket RealBadAngel, any link ?
14:30 shadowzone Hmm.
14:30 shadowzone Lemme check the code.
14:30 RealBadAngel https://github.com/minetest​-technic/unified_inventory
14:30 RealBadAngel or from modstore
14:32 shadowzone default:sign_wall
14:32 shadowzone Try that.
14:32 shadowzone I don't have the homedecor mod.
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14:32 shadowzone I'm a little busy right now.
14:32 alket thanks all
14:33 shadowzone Your welcome.
14:33 rubenwardy Hi iqualfragile!
14:34 Jordach rubenwardy, more scripted than a Minetest mod.
14:34 Jordach :3
14:34 iqualfragile hi rubenwardy
14:35 iqualfragile phpbb is a fucking mess
14:35 rubenwardy Lol
14:35 iqualfragile i mean: look at this function: https://github.com/phpbb/phpbb/blob/prep-rel​ease-3.0.6/phpBB/includes/functions.php#L452
14:35 iqualfragile and try not to bleach your eyes out afterwards
14:35 rubenwardy I hate the information pages when  logging in
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14:35 rubenwardy ugly
14:36 shadowzone http://mediacrush.net/yRN6rRp114HF.jpeg <-- since you all love cats.
14:36 alket RealBadAngel, thanks :) it rocks
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14:39 MinetestBot Krock: 09-17 21:48 UTC <kaeza> can you make it so your site accepts things like "modSearch.php?q=foo|bar"?
14:41 bjrohan VanessaE: hi there, could use some more help / info if you are up for it. I left off with issues with the animal modpack yesterday, so I disabled it today. However in the game I am receiving error messages from that mod: mobf lifebar not defined, animal_zombie not defined.
14:41 bjrohan VanessaE: if I enter /mobf, it replies invalid command
14:42 Krock !tell kaeza like searching for two things at once?
14:42 MinetestBot Krock: yeah, sure, whatever
14:42 rubenwardy If you disable a mod then stuff may be left behind. The objects which use to be used as mods are now ghosts. the game doesn't know what to do with them
14:42 rubenwardy Wow, MinetestBot has turned into a teenager
14:43 sfan5_ uh
14:43 sfan5_ what?
14:43 rubenwardy Next she'll saying "whatever, get of my back, god!"
14:43 shadowzone Lol.
14:43 shadowzone XD
14:43 shadowzone http://mediacrush.net/yRN6rRp114HF.jpeg
14:43 shadowzone sfan5: check that out.
14:43 Amaz rubenwardy: Don't give her any ideas!
14:44 sfan5 shadowzone: meow
14:44 * shadowzone tosses sfan5 a ball of yarn
14:45 bjrohan sfan5_: hi there, I am having some issues with the animal modpack mod, 2 days ago it was working, then yesterday out of the blue, it stopped working, when enabled in the world config the game wouldn't start. I have diasabled the mod in config, and now during gameplay it says that things like: mobf lifebar not defined & animal_zombie not defined
14:45 sfan5_ bjrohan: I'd suggest you ask sapier about that when he comes online
14:45 bjrohan sfan5: odd to me since I had disabled that mod, and those items are in that mod only
14:45 bjrohan sfan5_: thanks
14:45 T4im bjrohan: maybe check if all dependencies of that mod are enabled as well
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14:47 T4im (to possibly resolve the not starting)
14:48 rubenwardy If you disable a mod then stuff may be left behind. The objects which use to be used as mods are now ghosts. the game doesn't know what to do with them
14:48 rubenwardy the animal mod pack comes with a cleaner that removes these
14:49 shadowzone Maybe try and run a /clearobjects
14:49 rubenwardy That too, but it is slower than the mobf function
14:49 rubenwardy s/mobf/animal modpack
14:49 bjrohan T4im: I think that I have disabled that mod, by going into the Configure in the main menu, and double clicking on the mod to turn it all white vs green, that is what I think the issue it, it should be disabled, but in the game throwing errors
14:50 bjrohan ahh
14:50 bjrohan shadowzone: I am running the clearonjects now, says it may take a while
14:50 shadowzone Okay.
14:51 Jonuz How cheating is prevented on OS games?
14:52 rubenwardy Huh?
14:52 rubenwardy OH
14:52 rubenwardy Everything is controlled server side.
14:52 rubenwardy This means you can't build where you aren't supposed to, you can't give yourself blocks
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14:53 rubenwardy Jonuz: closing the source is a really bad way to protect against cheating
14:53 realtinymonster exactly
14:53 Krock Jonuz, I don't know any non-OS games.
14:53 shadowzone Okay I am making a little mod for my game and the nodes I made for it are unknown blocks.
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14:53 Jonuz Okay, good :p
14:53 rubenwardy You can, however, give yourself fly.
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14:54 rubenwardy Motion is controlled client side
14:54 realtinymonster ^ bad idea, but whatever
14:54 Krock wut=
14:54 Jonuz Hmm I guess it is easy to detect in server side..?
14:54 Krock realtinymonster, would it be better on server side??
14:54 realtinymonster hmm
14:54 rubenwardy Yeah. If a player is hovering in the air away from blocks then they are probably flying. or lagging
14:55 bjrohan shadowzone: it appears the clear onjects worked like a charm, thank you
14:55 shadowzone Your welcome.
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14:55 shadowzone http://paste.ubuntu.com/8372832/
14:55 rubenwardy But detecting is unreliable. It is much better to have moderators to see people flying
14:55 Jonuz It is but not always possible
14:56 rubenwardy I personally use a client which ignores the fast privilege it is given. Ie: I always have fast.
14:56 T4im open source fps usually do serverside physics.. but minetest is not a fps ;)
14:56 hoodedice Someone needs help with the android build https://forum.minetest.net/v​iewtopic.php?f=3&amp;t=10145
14:56 Jonuz But I guess it isnt that hard to detect if player goes to spot (air) where he cant go
14:56 T4im well serverside physics and client side physic prediction to not make it too obvious :D
14:56 rubenwardy Jonuz: what about falling or lagging?
14:57 Jonuz well thats true
14:57 T4im or jumping.. you would be suprised how far you can get up via fast_move after reaching the end of a ladder
14:58 Jonuz Well server could save last x blocks and check were client in upper :-D
14:58 Jonuz Well I guess it would be best if server logs/notices if player might be using some hack to fly
14:58 LemonLake That user count just goes up and up.
14:59 T4im well.. as said.. minetest is not a fps per se.. so the damage by a player that flied for a few seconds when noone watched is minor compared to other games :)
15:00 T4im i'd be more concerned about wallhack equivalents.. ore-radars or something like that.. and you simply cant prevent that sort of thing without some complicated heuristics
15:00 rubenwardy It is more fun to build w/o fly. It requires more planning.
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15:02 rubenwardy Ore finders would only work for in the immediate area around a player. Also, a player could create a stand alone program on their computer and use the server's seed to build a large map. They could then scan a massive area for nyan cats etc. (Are nyan cats seeded or random?)
15:02 T4im well.. damage to the server/other players.. if a player really wants to make it boring to himself, who am i to stop him? ;)
15:02 T4im nyan cats are random
15:02 rubenwardy damn. Well, you could find gold
15:02 T4im already checked for that exact case 2 days ago :p
15:03 T4im yea.. i can think of heuristics spotting that..  someone using that might have a "too good" ore finding ratio
15:04 T4im but nah.. not worth it :P
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15:06 hoodedice <hoodedice> Someone needs help with the android build https://forum.minetest.net/v​iewtopic.php?f=3&amp;t=10145
15:06 rubenwardy I saw, but I have no knowledge in that area
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15:12 Krock !tell kaeza Added. is that what you want? http://nimg.pf-control.de/MTstuff/​modSearch.php?st=0&amp;at=0&amp;q=​%5Bpipeworks%5D%7C%5Bmoreblocks%5D
15:12 MinetestBot Krock: I'll pass that on when kaeza is around
15:12 LemonLake writing to that post, + hoodedice
15:12 TBC_x T4im: just make a mod that says "Player X found Y gold in Z minutes! Good work!"
15:13 T4im :D
15:13 TBC_x they'll embarrass themselves eventually
15:13 T4im nice idea
15:13 T4im cheat prevention by transparency
15:14 TBC_x exactly
15:14 Jonuz Can someone link addon which is written with C or C++?
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15:15 TBC_x addons/mods are done only in lua
15:15 Jonuz Ok bye :-D
15:17 LemonLake Haha.
15:18 Krock ha ha ha.
15:18 shadowzone https://github.com/TheShadowZone12/shadow_game
15:18 LemonLake oh no
15:18 LemonLake i broke minedroid
15:18 LemonLake dunno what happened but the world is entirely black ó.ó
15:19 Jonuz Is any other language support planned?
15:19 LemonLake No.
15:19 Jonuz :<
15:19 LemonLake Why?
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15:19 LemonLake Fixed it
15:20 Jonuz This mean that someone will have to learn new language if they want to make addons
15:20 LemonLake Lua is very quick to learn.
15:20 LemonLake !pil Jonuz
15:20 MinetestBot Jonuz, Someone thinks you need to brush up on or learn Lua, please go to: http://lua.org/pil/
15:21 rubenwardy I learnt Lua in an hour, pretty much
15:21 LemonLake It's especially quicker if you have prior programming knowledge.
15:22 LemonLake Lua is useful as it's a scripting language, making it easier to learn and more extensible in some cases.
15:22 Jonuz oh, but still it can be turnoff to someone :D
15:22 rubenwardy lua tables beginning with 1 still throws me occasionally
15:22 Jonuz Personally I don't really care
15:22 LemonLake It's also generally lightweight and does not need to be compiled.
15:22 LemonLake Jonuz: And? That's their problem.
15:23 LemonLake That's like saying 'Oh, (fast food chain here), your food may not be good to this ONE person. You should stop selling it.#
15:23 LemonLake Dumb, right?
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15:23 TBC_x lol, I should write that down
15:23 DusXMT rubenwardy: FORTRAN's arrays also began at one, so it's not a Lua inovation ;)
15:23 LemonLake rubenwardy: I do agree with you, but oh well.
15:23 Jonuz Im saying that you should also sell other foods :3
15:24 TBC_x FORTH ftw
15:24 LemonLake Jonuz: Personally, and I'm sure others will agree, that is quite unnecessary.
15:24 Jonuz Okay then :<
15:24 LemonLake Just learn Lua. It takes less than an hour if you have C++ knowledge.
15:25 LemonLake If it's a turnoff to someone, and they're extremely scared to learn lua, they can play another game. Simple.
15:25 LemonLake Also applicable to the fast food example.
15:25 RealBadAngel TBC_x, actually lua can load libraries
15:25 LemonLake ^
15:25 DusXMT Jonuz: Kinda curious, how would you imagine an alternative to Lua in the game?
15:26 RealBadAngel forth computer works with precompiled c++ libs
15:26 iqualfragile rubenwardy: i put creating the setup instructions on your task list, as you did that recently
15:26 rubenwardy I didn't record anything I did.
15:27 rubenwardy I'll try again, though
15:27 iqualfragile LemonLake: luas listst start with one?
15:27 iqualfragile u sure?
15:27 LemonLake iqualfragile: They do.
15:27 iqualfragile luas list start with whatever you want
15:27 iqualfragile there are no lists
15:27 iqualfragile there are just hashmaps/dicts
15:27 LemonLake iqualfragile: http://lua-users.org/wiki/CountingFromOne
15:27 RealBadAngel indexes starts from 1
15:27 LemonLake Oh stop being super technical.
15:27 RealBadAngel theres no element 0 like in c++
15:29 TBC_x counting from 1 is weird, everyone has 9 fingers, right?
15:29 LemonLake TBC_x: you just made me think
15:29 LemonLake I legit had to count my amount of fingers
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15:32 iqualfragile TBC_x: since that accident: yes
15:33 LemonLake iqualfragile: love it
15:34 PenguinDad TBC_x: that's a bug in real life :P
15:35 TBC_x yeah, we should tell the Pope about it, is he the one that manages the bug list?
15:36 TBC_x I don't think they're good enough to understand bug trackers
15:37 DusXMT I kinda don't get this 9 finger thing. In C, when you're defining an array, you give it the total number of elements (like:  finger *hand[10]; ) and access them from 0 to 9. My point is: You still specify the total count
15:37 DusXMT well, in that given example from 0 to 9
15:38 PenguinDad TBC_x: He manages the bug tracker but maggie's way :P http://thedailywtf.com/Articles/Th​e-Worst-Bug-Tracking-Software.aspx
15:38 * DusXMT just reaized he made a hand with 10 fingers
15:39 realtinymonster lool
15:40 shadowzone Lol.
15:41 realtinymonster 167 people!
15:41 realtinymonster wow
15:42 PenguinDad Less than yesterday :/
15:43 rubenwardy Was 175 yesterdat]
15:43 realtinymonster meh
15:44 shadowzone Yeah most people have school.
15:44 realtinymonster i'm sure it will increase because Mojangcrosoft
15:44 sslb I'm sure it'll grow.
15:44 Hobodium I don't think the peak amount of users matters as much as how many more might stick around for the long term.
15:45 shadowzone After school is out I bet $5 that we're gonna have a flood of people.
15:45 sfan5 lol
15:49 Krock http://i.imgur.com/zfDcnEK.jpg
15:49 rubenwardy Is the visitor numbers of minetest.net logged? it would be interesting to see a graph
15:49 rubenwardy or servers.minetest.net
15:49 rubenwardy although that broke
15:49 T4im analytics of the homepage?
15:50 T4im might be a better indicator.. wouldnt bet every player is capable of irc... in fact, it sadened me to see several time, that the youth has no idea anymore what irc is :P
15:50 shadowzone https://github.com/TheShadowZone12/shadow_game
15:50 shadowzone !title
15:51 MinetestBot shadowzone: TheShadowZone12/shadow_game · GitHub
15:51 shadowzone That's the game I was making.
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15:51 Krock sfan5, http://i.imgur.com/KFOfJ1K.jpg
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15:51 DusXMT T4im: I know of IRC and I'm still in high school, so that's not 100% accurate
15:52 T4im i was stereotyping ;)
15:52 shadowzone lol.
15:52 TBC_x The youth is on Facebook now
15:52 T4im i read latly, that they apparently flee it again, after their parents started to join it
15:53 T4im :D
15:53 sfan5 "(10,2 KB/s)"
15:53 sfan5 imgur seems to be a bit slow
15:53 thefamilygrog66 Any ideas why my server is listed on the public server list when I start it, but the listing disappears a short time later?
15:53 LemonLake hoodedice: Damned Lemons indeed.
15:53 rubenwardy T4im: by minetest.net I did mean the homepage
15:53 hoodedice *Dammit
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15:53 rubenwardy Mediacru.sh ftw!
15:54 LemonLake hoodedice: Yes, regular jumping works fine. I formed that post by memory.
15:54 TBC_x My picture on FB is like 7 years old
15:54 sfan5 thefamilygrog66: which os do you run your server on?
15:54 bjrohan In single player mode, how do I give myself privileges, such as fast mode?
15:54 sfan5 bjrohan: /grant singleplayer fast
15:54 thefamilygrog66 I know that there was an update to cURL recently - might have something to do with that.
15:54 bjrohan sfan5: thanks
15:54 thefamilygrog66 sfan5: ubuntu 12.04
15:55 sfan5 thefamilygrog66: perfect, can you do some tests?
15:55 thefamilygrog66 I can try, yes!
15:55 TBC_x this is how much i care about FB
15:55 sfan5 thefamilygrog66: install mtr and pastebin the output of "mtr -w -c 25 servers.minetest.net"
15:56 T4im i havent logged in in years anymore either.. would have already deleted the account, but want to see first, where that class action suit against them is going
15:56 sfan5 !op
15:56 Topic for #minetest is now Latest stable version is 0.4.10 | Please be patient, responses may take a while | Rules: http://wiki.minetest.net/IRC#Rules | Development: #minetest-dev | Server list: http://minetest.net/servers | Logs: http://irc.minetest.ru/minetest/ | Use https://mediacru.sh for images and http://pastie.org for text
15:56 sfan5 !deop
15:57 hoodedice also, bjrohan , use E while walking to go fast
15:57 hoodedice that is, hold down E to move fast
15:57 Krock ^ requires fast_mode = true
15:58 Hobodium using ecstacy may or may not help you move faster, but is not supported by minetest itself
15:58 sfan5 Krock: wat
15:58 Krock sfan5, I don't remember the original key to enable it
15:58 sfan5 Krock: J
15:58 Krock k
15:58 PenguinDad h
15:58 sfan5 k is fly
15:58 sfan5 h is noclip
15:58 Krock bjrohan, use key J to enable fast mode
15:59 Krock :/ SMN is still down
15:59 sfan5 smn?
15:59 Krock (servers.minetest.net)
15:59 sfan5 !server
15:59 MinetestBot ConnectionResetError: [Errno 104] Connection reset by peer (file "/usr/lib/python3.4/socket.py", line 371, in readinto)
15:59 sfan5 !server
15:59 MinetestBot sfan5: VanessaE's Free-for-All Minetest Server | digitalaudioconcepts.com:30006 | Clients: 6/50, 4/13 | Version: 0.4.10-dev / minetest_game | Ping: 123ms
15:59 Krock uuh
15:59 Krock up now
16:00 Krock mhm a minute ago it was down.. wtf
16:01 shadowzone o.O
16:02 realtinymonster I had a dream last night that I found my bootable USB and went mad installing Linux Mint on all the computers in my house
16:03 Krock eww
16:04 PenguinDad realtinymonster: why not a better distro?
16:04 Hobodium And the distro wars begin
16:04 realtinymonster idk, thats what I have
16:04 realtinymonster on that USB that is
16:05 thefamilygrog66 sfan5: http://pastie.org/9572722
16:05 * Krock isn't sure if he should create a topic about his simplemod search tool
16:05 thefamilygrog66 do it!
16:05 Krock k
16:05 rubenwardy I saw that krock
16:06 rubenwardy could use better styling
16:06 rubenwardy also unicode support
16:06 rubenwardy http://nimg.pf-control.de/MTstuff/mod​Search.php?st=0&amp;at=0&amp;q=food#v
16:07 Krock rubenwardy, mhm I guess I need to replace those with htmlspecialchars instead of using unicode
16:07 rubenwardy don't use times new roman. don't use that background image. flat websites are better
16:07 Krock because in the database, it's also displayed wrongly
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16:09 realtinymonster erm, guys!
16:09 realtinymonster https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.ph​p?f=17&amp;t=9964&amp;start=25#p154547
16:09 rubenwardy Are the mods manually added, or added by a bot?
16:09 _3SidedSquare What's up realtinymonster
16:09 Krock rubenwardy, by a bot
16:09 rubenwardy good
16:09 rubenwardy :P
16:09 Krock lel I would be crazy if I would add all of those 900 mods
16:09 Krock by HAND
16:10 PenguinDad Krock: add them by paw then :P
16:10 Krock paw?
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16:11 PenguinDad Krock: http://dict.leo.org/#/search=paw
16:13 Krock PenguinDad, isn't easy to add..
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16:15 realtinymonster The fun has been doubled!
16:15 realtinymonster PenguinDad: nice one
16:16 andrewammerlaan hello, I'm new to minetest, and I'm trying to add the moreblocks mod, but it fails to load, debug: http://pastebin.com/jWXHxUJC ,could someone please help me with this?
16:16 rubenwardy You probably have an outdated version of Minetest
16:16 Krock andrewammerlaan, you're using an outdated minetest version
16:16 rubenwardy Where did you get it from?
16:17 _3SidedSquare Will minetest ever aim to be backwards-compatible with mods?
16:17 andrewammerlaan ooh, I 0.4.9 is not the latest??, I donwloaded this one directly from the gentoo repos.
16:18 _3SidedSquare repos are almost always outdated
16:18 _3SidedSquare you need to learn to build from source until we get a fairly stable version
16:19 _3SidedSquare (it's really not hard)
16:19 thefamilygrog66 sfan5: did you get a chance to check out the mtr paste yet?
16:19 PenguinDad realtinymonster: yay
16:19 andrewammerlaan I see where the problem is, 0.4.10 is marked as beta/unstable, I'll just compile it myself, probably the best way anyway, thanks for the help
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16:20 _3SidedSquare good luck
16:20 hoodedice bbl
16:20 bjrohan I've read that Mese is common at 1024, is it best to mine at 1024, or anywhere 1024 and below?
16:21 rubenwardy In 0.4.x, mod support is backwards compatible. Except for unstable features, which are warned against
16:21 rubenwardy 0.5 may not be backwards compatible with 0.4.x
16:21 Amaz bjrohan, That is mese blocks. You can find normal mese at around -200.
16:21 Amaz Mese blocks = 9 mese mese crystal = 1 mese
16:24 _3SidedSquare <fun fact> The minetest-dev channel has exactly 100 fewer people than minetest
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16:24 _3SidedSquare damnit
16:26 realtinymonster lol
16:26 realtinymonster asie just had to break the channel
16:31 rubenwardy <fun fact> The minetest-dev channel has exactly 100 fewer people than minetest
16:31 rubenwardy sorry
16:31 rubenwardy asie: <_3SidedSquare> <fun fact> The minetest-dev channel has exactly 100 fewer people than minetest
16:34 rubenwardy now it is true
16:36 rubenwardy damn you PenguinDad
16:36 PenguinDad >:D
16:37 asie fixed
16:37 Krock rubenwardy, I can't make it unicode in the bot, so I'll just kill all characters which have a value greater than 200 :3
16:37 rubenwardy okay
16:37 rubenwardy gtg
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16:38 rubenwardy_ Just realised that quiting from both websites doesn't affect it
16:38 rubenwardy_ :/
16:38 rubenwardy_ s/websites/channels
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16:48 john_minetest Wow...
16:48 john_minetest 170 people here... I am sure that there haven't been so many people before.
16:48 _3SidedSquare nah, we're getting an influx from microsoft buying mojang,
16:49 tanath was just thinking that. the other day someone said 158 was a record
16:49 _3SidedSquare for whatever reaseon people are looking for alternatives now
16:49 _3SidedSquare Can't say i'm displeased though
16:49 * thefamilygrog66 likes to pronounce it, "Mohang"
16:49 tanath we wanted our open source minecraft
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16:49 * _3SidedSquare likes to pronounce it, "Mo-yang"
16:49 john_minetest sfan5: Where are stats for this channel?
16:49 john_minetest Moe young
16:50 PilzAdam there are indeed a lot of people here
16:50 _3SidedSquare -1 though, I got class in 10 min
16:50 _3SidedSquare bye
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16:50 Calinou node highlighting
16:50 * Calinou shivers
16:51 tanath and if only say 10% of people get on irc, there'd be a lot more people actually looking at minetest
16:52 Calinou oh, that's a good thing
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16:53 PenguinDad tanath: if 100% of the people get on irc this channel would be really spammy
16:53 tanath :P
16:54 * PenguinDad meows at sfan5, sfan5_ and sfan5__
16:54 blaze Mahjong
16:54 Hobodium Riichi!
16:55 thefamilygrog66 I've noticed a recent influx of griefers on my server - yay!
16:56 john_minetest thefamilygrog66: Minecraft coming to minetest!
16:56 Calinou Minecrosoft.
16:56 tanath thefamilygrog66, you've hit the big time now
16:56 erlehmann Microsoft Minecraft
16:56 erlehmann i am writing an essay about it as we chat
16:56 thefamilygrog66 Thar be trolls on the horizon.
16:56 PenguinDad Minecrosoft Winblocks :D
16:57 DusXMT *failblocks ;)
16:57 thefamilygrog66 Still trying to figure out why the public server list is acting dodgy the last couple of days.
16:58 john_minetest Maybe too many requests? :P
16:58 Calinou got DDoS'd?
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17:00 sfan5_ Calinou: no
17:02 PenguinDad Got Fusl'd? :D
17:02 thefamilygrog66 any ideas, sfan5_?
17:14 sfan5_ thefamilygrog66: did you paste what I suggested?
17:15 thefamilygrog66 yes - the link is above...
17:15 thefamilygrog66 http://pastie.org/9572722
17:15 thefamilygrog66 sfan5_ ^^^
17:15 chchjesus Micro$haftcraft
17:24 Krock Calinou, would you be so nice and move https://forum.minetest.net/v​iewtopic.php?f=9&amp;t=10147 to Mod Releases? :)
17:26 Calinou I am so nice!
17:26 sfan5 grogafk: thx
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17:27 Mikeonline hi
17:27 sfan5_ hi
17:28 Mikeonline wurde eigentlich schonmal über ein keepalive für die clients-server nachgedacht @ sfan5_?
17:28 sfan5_ es wird ein ping gesendet
17:28 Mikeonline bei udp merken die nie wenn der server abgestürzt ist
17:28 sfan5_ allerdings wird nichts unternommen wenn keine antwort kommt
17:28 sfan5_ bzw. nicht direkt
17:28 Mikeonline wär gut wenn ne meldung ausgegeben würde
17:28 Mikeonline im chat oder so
17:28 sfan5_ wenn zu lange nichts kommt bleibt der mouse cursor stehen
17:28 Mikeonline zb server antwortet seit 30 oder 60 sekunden nicht mehr
17:29 Mikeonline aber die leute bauen dann immer weiter und bemerken es nicht
17:29 Mikeonline ideal wär sogar ein autoreconnect
17:29 Mikeonline mit maximal 3 versuchen oder so
17:33 sfan5_ mach am besten einen bugreport auf github auf
17:33 Mikeonline ok
17:33 Mikeonline mal gucken wo das war
17:33 sfan5_ https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/new
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17:34 Krock Mikeonline, #minetest-de
17:37 Krock Calinou, forgot to say thanks. Thank you!
17:37 Calinou no problem
17:40 erlehmann lel
17:40 Mikeonline Krock: now iam curious about the reason to thank :P
17:40 Krock Mikeonline, irc.minetest.ru
17:40 Mikeonline whats that
17:41 sfan5 Mikeonline: the irc logs
17:42 Mikeonline i hate irc logs
17:43 Krock Mikeonline, I hate k-fee-like videos on youtube but they still are there.
17:43 Mikeonline thats another point
17:43 Mikeonline i hate being logged without prior approval
17:43 Krock ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KpGfnvHW0Tg )
17:46 sfan5_ !title
17:46 MinetestBot sfan5_: K-Fee Werbung - YouTube
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17:49 MinetestBot kaeza: 09-18 14:42 UTC <Krock> like searching for two things at once?
17:50 Krock 2nd message coming
17:50 kaeza greetings
17:50 MinetestBot kaeza: 09-18 15:12 UTC <Krock> Added. is that what you want? http://nimg.pf-control.de/MTstuff/​modSearch.php?st=0&amp;at=0&amp;q=​%5Bpipeworks%5D%7C%5Bmoreblocks%5D
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17:51 kaeza Krock, exactly, thanks!
17:51 Krock kaeza, np
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17:52 kaeza Krock, the da was that (for example) looking for "mobs" ironically omitted MOBF (whose topic title is "Animals Modpack")
17:52 kaeza s/da/idea/
17:52 Krock okay
17:52 * kaeza purrs at sfan5
17:55 kaeza well, that didn't work either :|
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17:58 * DusXMT finds logging useful, especially public logging
18:10 bjrohan Is there a video setting in Mintest, either in the game or a config file to adjust the resolution?
18:11 RealBadAngel yes
18:11 bjrohan RealBadAngel: where would that be?
18:11 RealBadAngel https://github.com/minetest/minetest/​blob/master/minetest.conf.example#L76
18:12 RealBadAngel minetest.conf.example is a good place to look for settings
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18:12 bjrohan thank you
18:12 RealBadAngel np
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18:25 bjrohan Calinou: Hi there, I just tried to use your More Blocks (downloaded a few minutes ago), upon game start, it throws an error, in debug it says: http://paste.ubuntu.com/8374147/
18:26 Calinou hi
18:26 Calinou rename it
18:26 Calinou to just “moreblocks”
18:26 Calinou you should read the error message, it's informative enough :/
18:27 bjrohan Calinou: I had tried renaming it with an underscore instead
18:27 bjrohan That worked, thank yo
18:29 Krock Pro tip: If the speakers have crappy sound, try to re-new the batteries lel
18:29 sfan5_ (77,5 KB/s)
18:29 sfan5_ wtf is wrong with imgur right now
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18:30 SylvieLorxu Krock: What if the speakers have no batteries?
18:30 Krock SylvieLorxu, check if the PC shut down while you were checking for the speakers
18:36 Krock Staying Aliveeee aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah omg they have a breath
18:36 sruz25 it's time like this, when I'm compiling something bigger t
18:36 sruz25 hat I wish I had
18:36 sruz25 more than 2 1.9GHz cores
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18:37 Krock sruz25, you'll get a cookie from me if you compile it sloer than me. 25 minutes adverage
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18:37 Krock *average
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18:38 sruz25 to be fair, I watched 720p video most of the time
18:39 sruz25 little over 16 minutes
18:39 sruz25 one less reason to install gentoo
18:40 DusXMT Gentoo isn't that terrible on slow machines, I ran it on a pentium 3 machine not long ago, 512M of ram
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18:40 TBC_x I had gentoo once
18:40 TBC_x then i understood the joke
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18:40 sruz25 doesn't it install from the source?
18:41 bjrohan Can someone point me in the right direction for installing mods via git?
18:42 DusXMT sruz25: Yup. But the package management gives you so much power that, when it comes to package management systems, I'd say `portage' is my second favorite.
18:42 DusXMT The USE flags are a terribly powerful feature
18:42 TBC_x protip: don't add +dev in your USE flags
18:43 TBC_x in your global USE flags
18:43 sruz25 not saying that it's bad, my uni uses it on most unix machines
18:43 sruz25 but compiling everything is just not something I'd like to do on mobile dual core
18:50 blaise you could always add a bin repo
18:50 blaise there are several public binary repo's for gentoo
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18:57 john_minetest International Talk Like A Pirate Day - Friday 19th September
18:58 sruz25 I'll probably give Arch a go eventually. Not saying "never Gentoo", but I have not plans for that.
18:59 sruz25 s/that/it/g
18:59 john_minetest Arch ROCKS!
19:00 blaise I'm growing rather depressed that we don't have a good minecart solution
19:00 blaise :G
19:01 blaise is there no way to automate iron doors?
19:02 Krock mesecons?
19:02 blaise I tried, the switch isn't operating the door..
19:03 john_minetest It must
19:03 john_minetest Wait, what switch?
19:03 blaise I thought it would..
19:03 john_minetest The pressure plate operates the door.
19:04 john_minetest The switch needs a cable.
19:04 blaise but not the button?
19:04 * thefamilygrog66 thinks that pressure plates should be built into the doors mod
19:04 blaise a mesecon line?
19:04 blaise I don't want to use a plate becuase it can be triggered by mobs
19:05 john_minetest Yeah.
19:05 blaise so I can't put the button right next to the door to operate it?
19:05 john_minetest I think so.
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19:05 blaise I have to put it away from the door and run mesecons to it?
19:06 john_minetest Ping jeija
19:06 john_minetest Send a pull request
19:06 blaise he's not home
19:06 john_minetest Or make an issue on github
19:07 thefamilygrog66 I think I'm going to add pressure plates to the doors mod, just for the heck of it.
19:07 blaise I guess it's not such a big deal becuase we can operate the doors manually
19:07 blaise john_minetest: do you use carts?
19:08 bjrohan VanessaE: Can you point me in the right direction for adding mods via git?
19:09 blaise don't you need to establish a git account?
19:09 blaise also, they have rules about announcing mods on the minetest forum
19:11 VanessaE bjrohan: how do you mean?
19:11 VanessaE as in using git to manage them?
19:11 VanessaE or do you mean downloading?
19:11 bjrohan I think git to manage them. I am looking at your HDX texture, and in the inst it mentions using git
19:12 Calinou https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.p​hp?f=3&amp;t=9172&amp;p=154600#p154229
19:12 Calinou cry over, Minetest is dead!
19:12 * Calinou really dislikes that kind of people
19:13 blaise minetest is dead?!
19:13 Calinou “I think what this game really needs is an art guy.” → can people stop saying this?
19:13 blaise What happened?
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19:13 * blaise sobs profusely
19:17 Calinou the typical people who don't even comment on the PRs concerning such stuff (chat colours, player list)
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19:21 bjrohan VanessaE: I think git to manage them. I am looking at your HDX texture, and in the inst it mentions using git
19:23 john_minetest blaise: Usually not using carts. They are way too laggy. Even in singleplayer.
19:28 blaise yeah
19:28 blaise makes me sad
19:28 blaise hey, is servers.minetest.net/announce still down?
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19:31 jp http://servers.minetest.net/  <- what happens there ?
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19:35 erlehmann discuss! http://news.dieweltistgarnichtso.net/po​sts/minecraft-microsoft-territory.html
19:37 Calinou your links are undelined with dashes, putting the mouse on them does nothing
19:37 thefamilygrog66 jp: the server list is very incomplete
19:37 Calinou hey, disguised systemd hate, I see you
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19:37 Calinou “Confict of interest disclaimer:” → nuff said
19:39 erlehmann Calinou i fixed the styling for the i element.
19:39 Calinou erlehmann, old minecraft.net says: “For survival mode, I'd rather make the game too difficult than too easy.”
19:39 Calinou who believed him?
19:39 Calinou the game kept being easier and easier on each update, for commercial reasons
19:39 erlehmann Calinou that's the point of the assemblage!
19:39 Calinou (most recent updates made it a tad harder though)
19:40 thefamilygrog66 Only 14 servers listed in the public list - something is not working...
19:40 erlehmann Calinou i would say that it is common in personality cults to believe people even if they indicate to do otherwise.
19:41 erlehmann but i have seen people releasing source code if they specified a date
19:41 erlehmann for example for unteralterbach, the author said that the source code would ruin the fun (as it contains many easter eggs)
19:41 erlehmann so it was released some months later
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19:43 erlehmann Calinou i think there exist people who tend to believe such statements
19:43 erlehmann like the 9 year old son of a guy i know.
19:43 erlehmann too young to remember what microsoft does to acquisitions! :D
19:44 Hobodium I don't really understand the point of the article. It mentions the microsoft merger and then talks of assemblage, but I don't really get the purpose of bringing it up.
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19:45 kereltis Hey guys
19:46 blaise servers.minetest.net/announce has been down for quite a bit now
19:46 erlehmann Hobodium i was just thinking if this is AN OUTRAGE or not and explained my “nope, everything is normal in proprietary software world” :D
19:46 blaise afaik, sfan5 has been working on it
19:46 erlehmann i think it is better to leave it more descriptive than judgemental.
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19:47 erlehmann brb eating!
19:47 The_NetZ heyo o/
19:47 Calinou <erlehmann> for example for unteralterbach, the author said that the source code would ruin the fun (as it contains many easter eggs)
19:47 Calinou <erlehmann> so it was released some months later
19:47 Calinou this is an extremely bad reason
19:47 blaise lol
19:47 erlehmann Calinou her original plan was to not release at all.
19:47 erlehmann but after 6 months, everyone had played it
19:47 Calinou should be releases from day 1
19:48 thefamilygrog66 played whatnow?
19:48 Calinou YARIG
19:48 Calinou (yet another random indie game)
19:48 thefamilygrog66 ah
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19:48 The_NetZ so, M$craft refugee be I, and I think this minetest thing has real potential :)
19:48 erlehmann thefamilygrog66 http://unteralterbach.net (possibly extremely NSFW)
19:48 erlehmann Calinou we are on the same page, but “in 6 months” is a testable proposition.
19:48 Calinou >NSFW game
19:48 erlehmann Calinou so it is believable
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19:49 erlehmann Calinou the systemd part is in there so people do not associate exterting territorial control it with dishonesty or closed source stuff.
19:49 erlehmann systemd people actually say they want control and act like it
19:49 erlehmann so this means that there is an opportunity for control even with access to source code!
19:49 blaise some people don't like systemd
19:50 blaise I for one won't have it on any machines I own
19:50 The_NetZ I like the idea of systemd, but I
19:50 The_NetZ 'm not pushing either way :)
19:50 * The_NetZ just likes arch :)
19:51 Hobodium I have a feeling this is a bad time/place to ask for more details on the systemd issue. It is definately something I don't have much of a grasp of.
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19:52 blaise mostly I prefer to have things modular.. that way if a specific peice of code isn't functioning properly it wont effect the rest of the system
19:52 Calinou systemd is modular
19:52 The_NetZ a very good principle.
19:52 blaise systemd seems to want to take over the entire universe
19:53 The_NetZ yeah. each service has its own unit file ;)
19:53 blaise and if systemd fails, then what?
19:54 blaise I would rather use the original system V init
19:54 The_NetZ same thing that happens if another init system fails.
19:54 blaise not so much..
19:54 shadowzone Calinou: I have a friend joining here.
19:55 shadowzone He want's to talk to you.
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19:56 iqualfragile Calinou: thanks for the tesseract mapping tutorial
19:56 iqualfragile quite helpfull
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19:57 WidDos Hey Calinou
19:57 The_NetZ terreracts make my head hurt :/
19:57 shadowzone Here he is.
19:57 shadowzone Hi WidDos.
19:57 WidDos Hello Shadow
19:57 iqualfragile The_NetZ: tesseract.gg
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19:58 The_NetZ iqualfragile: ah, some program or another? I'm just talking about the concept of a hypercube, lol. flatlanders and whatnot :)
19:58 nsfw Sep18[19:48:31] <Calinou> >NSFW game
19:59 nsfw a game about me?
19:59 Calinou iqualfragile, no problem
19:59 Calinou <blaise> I would rather use the original system V init
19:59 Calinou slower… old stuff, which can be tedious to maintain…
19:59 Calinou iqualfragile, https://cdn.mediacru.sh/ixkAjDEFzCr2.jpg relevant :P
19:59 iqualfragile The_NetZ: yes, a game, based on cube2, take a trailer: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iqOtc2v​SvWM&amp;list=UUz_9NuuRuBm3nKCZav55g5w
19:59 WidDos What happen to Frog PvP?
20:00 The_NetZ iqualfragile: interesting, but I don't have the internet for watching youtube, lol.
20:00 The_NetZ may as well be on dialup
20:00 iqualfragile video is def worth it
20:01 blaise Calinou: I prefer OpenRC
20:01 iqualfragile Watur.
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20:01 The_NetZ length?
20:01 Calinou needs a fairly fast graphics card, The_NetZ
20:01 blaise but i would take sysVinit over systemd
20:01 Calinou very few players…
20:01 The_NetZ Calinou: ah. I think I have a decent enough card :)
20:02 Calinou the diffuse texture I'm using is… 12,6 MB
20:02 iqualfragile Calinou: license?
20:02 The_NetZ Calinou: german? I think I recall the use of '
20:02 The_NetZ ,' to separate decimals in german class
20:02 iqualfragile The_NetZ: no, he is a frenchman
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20:03 Calinou iqualfragile, I can upload it if you want, CC0
20:03 The_NetZ ah. so then is that a general Europe thing then?
20:03 parabyte i installed worldedit where do i place mts files so i can import them into the map?
20:03 Calinou it doesn't look good to me though
20:03 Calinou I used this tool: http://neotextureedit.sourceforge.net/
20:03 iqualfragile Calinou: i made a map, but the texures suck, any idea where to find better ones
20:03 Calinou http://opengameart.org/
20:04 Calinou has tons of freely-licensed art
20:04 Calinou just browse the Texture section ;)
20:04 iqualfragile Calinou: oh, that tool looks really nice (and like java) but wouldn't it be better to use tesseracts texute blending abilities?
20:05 erlehmann Calinou systemd has modulas, but it is not modular. components of systemd communicate in systemd-spefific ways over a systemdbus.
20:06 Calinou iqualfragile, you like Java? welcome aboard!
20:06 Calinou no, it's just simple blending
20:06 erlehmann Calinou you mentioned working on a game?
20:06 Calinou it can't render textures
20:06 erlehmann show and tell?
20:06 Calinou erlehmann, yes, I work on a Minetest game
20:06 iqualfragile Calinou: i despise java
20:06 Calinou semi-active right now (doesn't need to change much): https://forum.minetest.net/v​iewtopic.php?f=15&amp;t=9033
20:06 Calinou ah
20:07 erlehmann Calinou having modules does not help if they communicate using ill-defined or private interfaces.
20:08 erlehmann note that the common response of systemd developers is that you need to become part of the systemd assemblage – just implement systemd-specific interfaces!
20:08 erlehmann :D
20:08 erlehmann this is territorialization at its finest – and it does not even need to be closed source!
20:08 erlehmann i think they are doing it in a very very clever way
20:09 erlehmann Calinou that game looks awesome!
20:09 The_NetZ so tell me, does minetest support texture/resource packs?
20:10 TBC_x The_NetZ: texture packs
20:10 blaise yes
20:10 erlehmann ThatGraemeGuy indeeds
20:10 TBC_x I'm not sure about sounds
20:10 Calinou <erlehmann> i think they are doing it in a very very clever way
20:10 blaise supports sounds
20:10 Calinou please don't treat them like evil people either
20:10 Calinou they are trying their best to help
20:11 ThatGraemeGuy eh?
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20:12 erlehmann Calinou i don't treat them like evil people. i disapprove of their behaviour, but i still think they are highly talented programmers who have a hammer and prove conclusively that it is possible to nail the world.
20:12 erlehmann that is the ambivalence of the situation!
20:13 erlehmann systemd is better at many things that other software. but the nature of the systemd assemblage makes it impossible to get the good parts without the bad ones.
20:13 erlehmann and it did not have to be that way.
20:13 parabyte ah i figured out where to put mts schems
20:14 parabyte they need to reside in the world directory
20:14 parabyte okay how do i put my game into Creative mode?
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20:14 parabyte is it all menu driven?
20:14 parabyte im connected to my own private server and i want to fly
20:16 parabyte or is there a fly?
20:16 Calinou well, systemd will be in a near-monopoly soon
20:16 Calinou kind of like Wayland over time?
20:16 erlehmann no, wayland is ex-X11-developers
20:17 erlehmann and it kinda makes sense
20:17 erlehmann they got fed up
20:17 The_NetZ TBC_x: location for reading up on?
20:17 The_NetZ heh. I like wayland's idea.
20:17 erlehmann Calinou there is no controversy about wayland as soon as one learn enough about it, while with systemd there is fractal disagreement – the more people learn about it, the more good and bad parts they find.
20:18 erlehmann i like waylands idea and dislike they did not go further (into plan9 territory)
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20:18 TBC_x erlehmann: well... plan9 was writing into files... that means memcpy around
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20:19 erlehmann TBC_x the interesting thing that applies to both plan9 and systemd (and pulseaudio) development is that plan9 hat namespaces and a sane clone(2) syscall
20:20 erlehmann and union mounts
20:20 erlehmann in X11, windows could not be files, because there are no namespaces on most unices
20:20 erlehmann in plan9, each window has its own namespace, with /dev/label representing window label and reading /dev/mouse gives mouse coordinates
20:20 erlehmann you *cannot* do this without namespaces
20:21 TBC_x oh namespaces
20:21 * shadowzone pokes Calinou
20:22 Calinou hi shadowzone
20:22 Calinou going to sleep
20:22 sfan5 >plan9
20:22 shadowzone WidDos need you.
20:22 * shadowzone tosses sfan5 a ball of yarn
20:22 The_NetZ plan9, isn't that the OS with the bunny mascot I've seen?
20:22 Calinou for what?
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20:22 * shadowzone pokes WidDos
20:22 TBC_x The_NetZ: yes
20:22 blaze systemd is not immortal, some day it'll become real pain in the ass
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20:23 WidDos I found something by C55: http://opengameart.org/content/​16-%C3%97-16-pixel-art-textures
20:23 The_NetZ everything has a day to die :)
20:23 shadowzone WidDos, you can talk to Calinou now.
20:23 Calinou it's “made by c55” because many of the textures are from him
20:24 Calinou I've mostly modified them
20:24 Calinou nothing to fear
20:24 WidDos Ok. but Calinou did you ever host a server?
20:24 Calinou yes, exactly a year ago I started!
20:24 Calinou 2 years ago*
20:24 Calinou but I stopped exactly 23 months ago too :p
20:24 Calinou got bored
20:25 Amaz XD
20:25 shadowzone While I'm here can you guys check this out.  https://github.com/TheShadowZone12/shadow_game
20:25 The_NetZ Calinou: eh, I've gotten out of the FPS genre. not my thing these days :/
20:25 TBC_x i hate that old MT dirt texture
20:27 RealBadAngel The_NetZ, sounds can also be overwritten
20:27 RealBadAngel and stored on client side only
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20:28 The_NetZ RealBadAngel: yeah. I like some of the things with minetest alot :)
20:28 RealBadAngel server doesnt even have to send sounds to client
20:28 The_NetZ many of the concepts are very very nice :)
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20:28 The_NetZ eg, online official mod database, very cool.
20:29 RealBadAngel but most of them still need lotsa work
20:29 The_NetZ only beef is I'll have to learn to use yet another programming language XD
20:32 iqualfragile RealBadAngel: thanks for all the work you put in minetest
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20:33 RealBadAngel iqualfragile, ty. what happened so you say that?
20:35 The_NetZ hey, I'm glad for something *not* owned by M$ to play :)
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20:38 iqualfragile RealBadAngel: you continue to improve minetests graphics
20:38 iqualfragile (and other stuff)
20:38 RealBadAngel btw, how do you find highlighting?
20:39 iqualfragile quite nice, but 2 ideas for improvement:
20:39 iqualfragile 1. make the higligthing box a bit smaller
20:39 iqualfragile 2 use brighter versions of the nodes textures for the highlighting box
20:39 iqualfragile lel: http://who.is/dns/jamiehankins.co.uk
20:40 blaise The_NetZ: lua is pretty common
20:41 blaise It could be worse.. it could have been perl or something
20:41 RealBadAngel iqualfragile, ad1 theyre bigger on purpose to make halo visible
20:42 Hobodium You mean it could be lolcode
20:42 RealBadAngel ad2 highlighting doesnt use node textures
20:42 sruz25 it's a small thing, but god knows how annoying it (or rather lack of it) is: http://webmshare.com/o8QoL
20:42 RealBadAngel Lua is pretty nice language, makes nice pair together with c++
20:42 The_NetZ blaise: yeah. I'm aware its pretty common, I just don't know it XD
20:42 The_NetZ I'd have shat brix if it was done in ruby, lol. <3 ruby
20:43 blaise I wish I was a better coder..
20:43 The_NetZ RealBadAngel: so, in theory one could extract native MC textures and use those, correct?
20:43 The_NetZ I mean on a per-person basis, assuming you own M$craft XD
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20:44 RealBadAngel ofc, there are lot of tps converted from mc
20:44 iqualfragile RealBadAngel: yes, bigger then the node, but a bit smaller then it is at the moment
20:44 RealBadAngel even there was one with original mc textures
20:45 iqualfragile and i think it would look good if it would use the node textures
20:45 VanessaE there.
20:45 VanessaE homedecor has more stuff.  enjoy, folks.
20:45 The_NetZ so, where does one stick texture packs?
20:45 VanessaE The_NetZ: ~/.minetest/textures
20:45 VanessaE just put the whole folder there verbatim
20:45 The_NetZ VanessaE: ah, simple.
20:45 RealBadAngel then select it in main menu
20:46 The_NetZ would be a slight convenience if minetest created empty content roots automatically :)
20:46 erlehmann hahaha
20:46 erlehmann can someone tell me how to make a slime monster?
20:46 erlehmann just a hopping cube?
20:46 erlehmann that spreads slime?
20:47 VanessaE erlehmann: very carefully :P
20:47 TBC_x well... It'd be great if we could make minecraft_game in MT work
20:47 The_NetZ seems youd need the mod 'mob api' :)
20:47 erlehmann also is there an airship?
20:48 erlehmann cool! https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=6184
20:48 TBC_x just for the engine sake
20:49 RealBadAngel there was jumping slimes mod in the forums
20:49 RealBadAngel of any colors
20:49 erlehmann oh noes
20:49 erlehmann minetest is going
20:49 erlehmann MISSING SQL LOGIC OR MISSING DATABASE
20:50 erlehmann block failed to save
20:50 iqualfragile TBC_x: this was not done due to copyright questions
20:50 erlehmann what does that mean?
20:50 TBC_x ikr
20:50 VanessaE erlehmann: er...that's bad.
20:51 iqualfragile erlehmann: wtf did you do?
20:51 erlehmann VanessaE iqualfragile my /var partition is full?
20:51 iqualfragile that could explain it
20:52 iqualfragile i don't think minetest/sqlite handels that verry well/at all
20:52 TBC_x I mean in a way that we can introduce bosses, that don't lag and can have complex animations
20:53 TBC_x essentially make railcraft tanks possible
20:55 TBC_x multinode structures support in MT are needed just for doors sake
20:55 RealBadAngel we do already have such things
20:57 iqualfragile TBC_x: doors are not multinode structures, just two nodes interacting
20:57 iqualfragile TBC_x: but there is one interesting mod that actually creates entities from blocks
20:58 RealBadAngel also the tanks ;)
20:59 RealBadAngel https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Elstn-LahlI
21:00 TBC_x iqualfragile: I've noticed that doors are havin issues with prediction
21:00 iqualfragile TBC_x: prediction? what prediction?
21:00 iqualfragile there is no prediction
21:01 RealBadAngel https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CcQ--DOaEHI
21:01 TBC_x well... doors sometimes appear being broken... that may've been caused by network lag tho
21:02 TBC_x if prediction is not the case
21:04 iqualfragile TBC_x: yes, thats network lag
21:05 iqualfragile as all of minetests scripts are executed on the server and the client just gets audiovisuals there can't be prediction besides simple interaction (node breaking/building)
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21:07 TBC_x maybe tweak the protocol a little
21:07 The_NetZ iqualfragile: honestly the idea of slime cube monsters predates minecraft by a long shot
21:07 The_NetZ I was playing D&D back when I was 8 and we had gelotinous cubes :)
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21:08 TBC_x yeah, the first game i met with green slimes was warcraft I
21:08 iqualfragile yes, thats not a problem copyright wise
21:08 The_NetZ RealBadAngel: hey, the zip I found contains everything under a data folder, where do I stick this relative to ~/.minetest/textures/
21:08 iqualfragile the problem would be creating minecraft_game
21:09 The_NetZ yep.
21:09 The_NetZ I know! build it and host it on a tor node server :)
21:09 TBC_x or just pretend it to be made by anonymous
21:10 The_NetZ hehe
21:10 TBC_x that's what i would do
21:10 RealBadAngel The_NetZ, textures shall be in a subfolder, /textures/your_pack/ ...files here...
21:11 RealBadAngel if not, then move them
21:11 The_NetZ RealBadAngel: so if the texture pack contains everything in one root folder, that should be just below textures, then?
21:12 VanessaE The_NetZ: if the textures are in a "data" folder, they're probably for 0.3.x and won't work with current minetest
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21:12 iqualfragile The_NetZ: would not work, tor is a tcp-only network while minetest utilizes the udp protocoll
21:12 TBC_x oh man... i love ambience
21:12 VanessaE especially if they lack normal prefixes like default_*, wool_*, and so on
21:12 The_NetZ iqualfragile: I just mean as a filehost, not a server host :)
21:12 TBC_x i never thought it could do *that* much
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21:15 iqualfragile TBC_x: wait untill you experience what it does for server load times
21:15 iqualfragile join mineguild.de and see
21:15 VanessaE haha
21:16 iqualfragile well, it would not even be that horrible but the minetest protocoll is horrible for file transfairs
21:17 TBC_x iqualfragile: MT should use file hashes and check local filesystem first, so it doesn't do unnecessary downloads
21:17 iqualfragile TBC_x: it does, kinda
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21:23 bjrohan VanessaE: I am back after running some errands. Is it recommended to manage mods with git, or download them from the various sites manually?
21:23 VanessaE manage them with git if you can
21:23 VanessaE and you don't need an account to do that if you're just cloning
21:24 bjrohan VanessaE: Okay. I have an account that I created years ago for some odd reason. Can you point me in the right direction of a tutorial how to do this properly? I do have git already installed on my machine
21:24 TBC_x iqualfragile: well... i feel it tries to redownload all stuff when i try to reconnect
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21:26 iqualfragile TBC_x: only on the first connect
21:26 iqualfragile bjrohan: git clone <repositoryurl>
21:26 bjrohan thanks
21:28 iqualfragile oor you use hg
21:29 bjrohan iqualfragile: what is hg?
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21:29 iqualfragile bjrohan: another distributed version controll sysem, that i preferr
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21:30 VanessaE oh G*d anything but hg
21:30 VanessaE :)
21:30 VanessaE sorry for the delay, I had to step away.
21:31 bjrohan If I have already installed a mod via reg download, can I still use git to update?
21:31 VanessaE no
21:31 VanessaE delete the other one first
21:31 VanessaE because it'll likely not have the git history, which is what's needed for updating later
21:32 bjrohan VanessaE: Okay. I am trying to install your HDX texture, on the site are links to the Repo, the link goes to a zip file, that isn't what I want to clone is it?
21:33 iqualfragile bjrohan: no, its not, git is not good with large not-text objects like textures
21:34 VanessaE bjrohan: use the repo link
21:36 VanessaE iqualfragile: you're right, but it's better to use git than zips though; i'd just rsync to somewhere instead if there were a graceful way for the average person to be able to clone the results.
21:37 bjrohan VanessaE: Okay, thanks
21:37 T4im iqualfragile: actually git can do pretty well with binary content.. it will use deltas with them just as with text.. it will even allow you do diff them, provided you tell git a tool that can diff such a binary object
21:37 T4im only merging is for obvious reasons not quite possible
21:37 FreeFull When I try to set minetest to use OpenGL, it ends up using burningvideo
21:38 FreeFull Which is rather slow
21:38 T4im also git only starts to have problems with objects if you talk gigabytes.. theres indeed a weakness.. in case you wanted version large images files for example..  textures are not even near that
21:39 T4im images as in filesystem images
21:39 FreeFull Anything I can do about that?
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21:40 iqualfragile FreeFull: which os?
21:40 FreeFull Arch Linux
21:40 FreeFull Latest git minetest
21:41 T4im http://www.akikoskinen.info/image-diffs-with-git/ ;-)
21:43 FreeFull It seems to use burningvideo no matter what I set it to use
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21:44 blaise I'm considering setting up a wireless access point for the sole purpose of hosting a minetest server for my local naborhood
21:45 FreeFull Ok, restarting it did it
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21:58 Megaf [22:44:55] <blaise> I'm considering setting up a wireless access point for the sole purpose of hosting a minetest server for my local naborhood
21:58 Megaf sounds nice
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22:07 blaise I think I might leave it modless though
22:07 RealBadAngel that reminds me times when we wired 3 floors in a students hostel to play DN3D and warcraft :)
22:08 RealBadAngel now it could be way easier ;)
22:08 blaise RealBadAngel: token ring?
22:09 RealBadAngel yup
22:10 RealBadAngel but then sitting in front of the hostel with beer in hand and listening to the rocket fired on ground level, then going up 2 floor higher, boom, then "OH FUCK!"
22:11 RealBadAngel priceless :)
22:13 RealBadAngel everybody had decent audio set connected, so you could listen to elevators, explosions etc all around the hostel
22:14 RealBadAngel you cannot experience such thing playing online
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22:16 Hobodium Maybe you don't, but I coded a GUI in visual basic so I can track IPs. Now when I play online I drive over and sit outside the window of the guy I hate the most just so I cna hear his lamentations when I destroy him.
22:17 TBC_x that's strange... social... interaction...
22:18 Hobodium It's an american thing, I'm sure.
22:24 blaise I want so bad to have atleast freight delivery via minecarts
22:24 blaise :(
22:24 blaise I would fork carts or something and try to make my own but I don't even know where to start
22:25 blaise is coal dust more efficient than lumps ?
22:28 blaise and there's so many forks already.. it seems the core code isn't tight enough for any kind of minecarts mod to function properly
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22:36 _Esteban Hello?
22:36 _Esteban *tumbleweed passes by*
22:36 Jordach ello
22:37 Megaf blaise: why use minecars?
22:37 Megaf I just use pipeworks, teleporting tubes
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22:44 blaise Megaf: are you able to climb into those tubes?
22:44 Megaf oh, no, you cant, but you can send items to them
22:44 TBC_x that wouldn't be a bad idea tho..
22:45 TBC_x it popped into my head before
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22:45 TBC_x when i was playing Minecraft the indie game
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22:59 jin_xi some rgb nodes http://i.imgur.com/ocAyR1x.png
23:01 TriBlade9 Special mapgen jin_xi?
23:03 jin_xi its hmmms example lua mapgen with colors
23:03 TriBlade9 Ah, neat.
23:10 VanessaE jin_xi: wild
23:11 TriBlade9 What key is aux1? O-o
23:11 Mikeonline n8
23:13 * VanessaE looks at her universal remote
23:14 VanessaE TriBlade9: top row, left of the power button.
23:14 VanessaE ;)
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23:14 TriBlade9 Euwot
23:15 TriBlade9 I'm trying to make a sprint mod x]
23:15 TriBlade9 Double-tapping W is a bit too server-intensive
23:16 VanessaE why not just have it automatically speed the player up if they've been running for more than a few seconds?
23:16 VanessaE you can set the run velocity can't you?
23:17 TriBlade9 Yea
23:17 TriBlade9 Meh, I'll just use the sprint mod
23:17 TriBlade9 I should look into making the FOV changeable from LU
23:17 TriBlade9 LUA
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23:18 VanessaE Lua*
23:19 TriBlade9 Fine x]
23:19 TriBlade9 Just tested, sprint mod works perfectly with my movement changes
23:20 VanessaE cool
23:22 TriBlade9 Did you see the changes?
23:22 VanessaE no
23:23 TriBlade9 I'd say they really help: https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/1650
23:24 VanessaE nice
23:24 VanessaE hope that gets merged
23:25 TriBlade9 Test it out :3
23:25 VanessaE maybe later
23:25 TriBlade9 Oke :D
23:25 TriBlade9 What time is it where you are?
23:25 VanessaE so tired right now :-/
23:25 VanessaE 7:25pm
23:26 TriBlade9 It seems like you're on all day/night
23:26 TriBlade9 O_o
23:26 TriBlade9 Big day?
23:26 VanessaE not really, just didn't sleep well
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23:28 RealBadAngel dont listen to her, shes a channel bot almost ;)
23:28 TriBlade9 Sorry to hear that Nessa
23:28 TriBlade9 RBA, your selection system is growing on me a bit
23:29 * VanessaE shorts out
23:29 TriBlade9 Nessa, stop pouring water on yourself >_>
23:29 RealBadAngel what does it do?
23:29 TriBlade9 It doesn't help
23:30 parabyte hey guys i dont wish to sound silly but for the user who does not know anything is there any possibility for a installer for windows based minetest?
23:30 parabyte i do not run windows not tried it but i just been asked by a few of my younger players
23:30 RealBadAngel is uzipping such hard?
23:30 RealBadAngel *un
23:31 TriBlade9 ^
23:31 RealBadAngel those youngsters nowadays are way too lazy
23:32 RealBadAngel parabyte, installing on windows is as hard as unzipping and clicking an exe
23:32 RealBadAngel nothing more
23:32 TriBlade9 Gotta go guys
23:32 TriBlade9 Nessa, get some sleep. x]
23:34 parabyte oh really lol
23:35 VanessaE yep, just unzip it to a folder on your desktop and run "minetest.exe" in the "bin" folder therein
23:35 VanessaE that's it.
23:35 parabyte okay i got another question i know C++ but never in my life looked at opengl and its wonders where on earth do i start? i do not believe i can get my head around gl but i am willing to give it a look scratching head ;)
23:35 VanessaE don't worry about opengl
23:35 VanessaE worry about learning irrlicht ;)
23:36 VanessaE the engine uses irrlicht to do the graphics work, irrlicht then uses opengl or directx or whatever
23:36 parabyte i presume that is a lib
23:36 VanessaE it's the main rendering lib Minetest uses
23:36 parabyte what i might look at over the weekend is the code for chat on minetest
23:36 parabyte is there code in there for tab complete for commands?
23:37 parabyte bash style tab complete or tab fail ;)
23:37 VanessaE yes
23:37 VanessaE in the F10 console there is nickname completion
23:37 VanessaE similar to IRC
23:37 VanessaE but not tab complete for commands et al.
23:37 parabyte oh blow me down i missed that one
23:38 VanessaE blow me down?  who are you, Popeye? ;)
23:38 parabyte sometimes :P
23:38 parabyte i converted part of a map to minetest
23:38 parabyte never quiet went to plan
23:39 parabyte i will look in depth tomorrow as i wont be tired and not at work, but none of the iron blocks got converted using sf's script in mcedit
23:39 parabyte i may tweak the code so it just uses something else other then iron
23:40 RealBadAngel nore's converter was quite good
23:40 parabyte url?
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23:40 parabyte and im not seeing any tab auto complete in F10 either im typing part of command
23:42 RealBadAngel https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopi​c.php?f=12&amp;t=8729&amp;p=153397
23:43 RealBadAngel https://github.com/Novatux/mcimport
23:43 parabyte ah thanks :)
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23:51 tanath i wish minetest remembered window size
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23:52 blaise isn't that the job of the window manager?
23:53 VanessaE indeed it is
23:53 VanessaE however,
23:53 VanessaE Minetest can be configured to set the windows size
23:53 tanath i mean between closing, reopening
23:53 VanessaE I know
23:53 blaise if i ctrl-click the X at the top right corner it remembers size and location
23:53 blaise it seems to work in windows too
23:53 VanessaE but if you'd like to set a default size, you can do that.
23:53 VanessaE # Initial window size
23:53 VanessaE #screenW = 800
23:53 VanessaE #screenH = 600
23:54 VanessaE minetest.conf
23:54 blaise yer
23:54 blaise and fullscreen = true/false
23:54 VanessaE this too
23:54 VanessaE uncomment those two lines of course
23:54 blaise although I prefer windowed mode maximized over fullscreen
23:54 VanessaE ditto
23:55 blaise for some reason I can't seem two switch virtual desktops in any window manager if minetest is fullscreen
23:55 blaise s/two/to/
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23:57 parabyte oh man irrlicht may take up some of my time!
23:58 VanessaE parabyte: if you're still sane when you're done, let us know ;)
23:58 parabyte yeah ill be seeing everything in voxels tomorrow
23:58 parabyte lol
23:59 VanessaE haha

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