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00:44 Batman Hi. Just wondering if on_walk is possible.  I want to make a block change when someone stands or walks on it
00:46 VanessaE not at present.  but you could run an ABM with your node as the target
00:46 VanessaE have it check for a player above the target and then act on that
00:47 VanessaE but that's slow
00:47 paramat Batman see the code here https://forum.minetest.net/v​iewtopic.php?f=11&t=6773
00:48 Cylus Is there an efficient method of adding semi-randomized structures (similar to the dungeons) to the game, or would that need to be completely coded from scratch in Lua?
00:48 VanessaE I was about to suggest an on_globalstep next :P
00:48 Batman Vanessa I remember you suggesting on_walk last year
00:49 Batman Thought it might have happened
00:49 Batman thanks for the help
00:49 VanessaE Batman: I don't recall doing so.  such a function would be useful though.
00:52 Batman Sorry I just looked it up. It was Peacock that suggested it. irc log #minetest 203-11-24
00:53 Batman 2013
00:54 Batman Thanks for your help. I think I got what I need. Keep up the awesome work!
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01:08 paramat Cylus see my 'catacomb' mod
01:08 Cylus Alright, I'll do that. Thanks paramat!
01:11 paramat new mod =D https://forum.minetest.net/v​iewtopic.php?f=9&t=10072
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01:13 Cylus Why so you use different stair nodes for different stair facings?
01:15 Cylus That's quite a cave in the second picture. I'm not sure what I'm looking at in the first.
01:34 paramat Yes because the voxelmanip can set rotation of a node but that needs a lot more processing, i think 4 nodes is faster
01:44 Cylus Ah, I see. I had no idea.
01:45 paramat Cylus, this recent commit makes it easier to set a few special nodes, including rotation https://github.com/minetest/minetest/commi​t/f3eefeb7948b8b8d1a98f2f89baa39abc807f72d
01:45 Cylus This seems really complex. I can't really tell what the code is saying at all. I think I might put my idea on hold for the time being.
01:46 Cylus Also, while flying through the ground in my test world looking for catacombs, I ran into a cat! But then the lava poured in and covered it.
01:48 Cylus I'm debating about keeping the coordinates to locate it in my actual world (I always use the same seed), but I think that might be cheating.
01:49 paramat you're lucky, nyancats are super rare
01:51 paramat there are 4 spawner nodes that trigger 4 ABMs that each create a stair/corridor plus a chamber at the end, using a voxelmanip
01:51 Cylus Yeah, but finding them in worlds that you have fly in makes it maybe too easy to find them.
01:52 Cylus I'll have to look into voxelmanip. I haven't even heard of it.
01:52 Cylus Is it new?
01:53 paramat maybe a year? there's a good topic on it in the 'news' subforum, with examples and links
01:53 Cylus Okay, sweet. Thanks!
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03:01 jordan4ibanez Say I have a table table = {{"1"},{"2"},{"3"},{"4"},{"5"}}
03:02 jordan4ibanez I can do for i = 1,5 do print(table[i]) end
03:02 jordan4ibanez but when I try i = 5,1 do print(table[i]) end it goes no where
03:02 jordan4ibanez what do
03:04 jordan4ibanez Something rather than using for i = -5,-1 do i = math.abs(i) print(table[i]) end
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03:14 kahrl jordan4ibanez: for i = 5,1,-1
03:14 jordan4ibanez Thank you
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03:28 jordan4ibanez Result http://youtu.be/XnStjXu5fsk
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03:58 oio_ where can i report aproblem
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04:16 kaeza greetings
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05:11 Cylus I give up. Either these catacombs are not spawning, or they are very rare.
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07:19 blaise this mod looks awesome. https://gitlab.com/CiaranG/railcarts/tree​/2efd6cbd5520386e6a0b2759fbe151c61b5b3a21
07:19 blaise I wish it worked with vanilla minetest
07:19 blaise :\
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07:46 PenguinDad http://img.thedailywtf.com/​images/14/q3/e128/Pic-5.jpg xD
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07:56 Krock moin
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09:25 john_minetest hey
09:29 PenguinDad yet another msvc fuck up https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/1607
09:30 nman3600 Hey john_minetest and PenguinDad
09:31 PenguinDad hi nman3600 et john_minetest
09:31 Krock PenguinDad, mhm? MSVC under linux?
09:31 PenguinDad Krock: huh?
09:31 Krock PenguinDad, commit #2
09:32 PenguinDad Krock: what does this have to do with msvc and linux? https://github.com/minetest/minetest/commi​t/f3eefeb7948b8b8d1a98f2f89baa39abc807f72d
09:33 Krock <PenguinDad>yet another msvc fuck
09:33 Krock same question.
09:33 * PenguinDad is confuzzed
09:33 * Krock even more
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10:34 john_minetest Oh, I just remembered that I get some crashes all the time.
10:35 john_minetest http://pastie.org/pastes/9531561/text
10:35 john_minetest Idk if there is an issue on github already.
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10:39 T4im hm.. yea i've been getting those latly as well.. usually after the public server list didn't load correctly
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11:10 * Krock has other problems
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11:19 * PenguinDad has other other problems
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11:40 Krock <3 bread + chocolate
11:49 nman3600 <3 Krock's geniousity
11:49 nman3600 Fail
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13:17 Krock *kills chrome.exe with highest CPU load*
13:17 Krock oops, everything closed..
13:18 nman3600 xD
13:18 PenguinDad > Google Chrome
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13:20 Krock <PenguinDad>> Google Chrome
13:20 Krock who said google chrome?
13:20 Krock it could be a renamed tetris game
13:27 PenguinDad Then you either have a crappy cpu or the tetris game is badly coded
13:29 T4im the '.exe' kind of gives the problem away
13:30 T4im wine is simply adding too much overhead around it
13:30 T4im :P
13:37 Krock PenguinDad, no. it's because chromium has a "main" process. all other processes depend on it. it it gets closed, all other do the same.
13:38 Krock T4im, that's your view. I love .exe
13:39 * PenguinDad slaps Krock with Executable and Linkable Format
13:39 T4im a view from outside plato's cave ;)
13:40 * Krock throws .exe and .url and .internetexploreristhebesteverserousy at PenguinDad
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13:41 SaltyDog001 Greetings, can anyone help with a linux program to automatically restart minetest server if it crashes. Have tried a few scripts from Google search but I'm n00b at linux and not working.
13:41 T4im runit provides service supervision
13:42 T4im http://smarden.org/runit/
13:42 * PenguinDad SIGILL
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13:42 * Krock would like to help but he doesn't know anything about linux
13:42 T4im or system administration in general :p
13:42 Krock PenguinDad, you're ill? sig ill?
13:42 T4im i think i meant SIGKILL
13:43 PenguinDad Krock: Illegal instruction
13:43 SaltyDog001 Thanks I will look into that. Server goes down and I don't get to it for serveral hours.
13:43 T4im oh, indeed.. never seen sigill before O_o
13:43 T4im SaltyDog001: you're welcome
13:44 T4im it will generally restart processes that die for any reason
13:44 T4im provided you tell it you want it started
13:44 T4im :)
13:45 SaltyDog001 Sounds like what I need. Hopefully I can figure it out :)
13:45 T4im it will also enforce the other direction.. stop it, with signal escalation if necessary, if the prozess freezes for some reason
13:45 SaltyDog001 nice
13:46 * Jordach throws Firefox at Krock
13:46 * PenguinDad throws Waterfox at Jordach
13:46 * Krock slaps Jordach with an fire extinguisher
13:47 SaltyDog001 ouch
13:47 SaltyDog001 ok thanks again :)
13:47 T4im don't mention it :)
13:52 john_minetest When I want to restart a server on crash, I use "while true; do server; done" ;D
13:56 T4im i think though, that these supervision tools only restart if theres reason to assume it stays up :P
13:56 T4im like if multiple crashs occur after each other in a short period, it wont keep trying
13:56 T4im which might be generally healthy for the system or the data
13:56 T4im to.. not push it
13:58 john_minetest server && server && server && server
13:58 john_minetest Exits after 3 crashes ;)
13:58 john_minetest 4.
13:58 john_minetest annyway.
13:58 T4im hehe
13:59 T4im actually no
13:59 T4im && will only if the exist value shows no signs of trouble ;)
14:00 T4im or is minetest returning unconventionally?
14:00 PenguinDad john_minetest: s/&&/;/
14:00 T4im ||
14:00 T4im that way it wont restart if you do a planned shutdown
14:01 T4im but its still a hack.. just use supervision :P they simple take a bashscript in which you call the process.. thats all they need (provided the process runs in foreground)
14:02 T4im you end up with even less bash than your 'quick hack' ;)
14:05 john_minetest Well, "&&" worked pretty well for Zeg9's server ;D
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14:18 PenguinDad Zeg9 had a server? o_O
14:18 john_minetest Of course!
14:18 john_minetest Zegaton at 30015.
14:19 john_minetest https://forum.minetest.net/v​iewtopic.php?f=10&amp;t=3530
14:21 john_minetest Unfortunately, Zeg9 moved to other projects.
14:22 john_minetest Hmmm, I could run an own server...
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15:00 Jordach oh for fuck sakes
15:00 Jordach enter + pwdfield in mainmenu gives 100% rate access violations
15:01 VanessaE go bitch about it in -dev then
15:01 VanessaE and keep bitching until someone fixes it
15:01 Jordach VanessaE, it's related to formspec fixes with the chat doing the same
15:01 VanessaE stupid bugs like that should not be allowed to stand
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15:03 VanessaE so?
15:03 VanessaE get over in -dev and raise hell
15:03 Krock Jordach, I'm not getting a 100% rate
15:03 VanessaE I get no crashes at all, but I run Linux, so it's probably caused by the compiler that was used to create your build
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15:04 kahrl looks like a fun bug
15:04 Jordach Krock, extremely often with MSVC 64 BM
15:04 kahrl for me it crashes whenever I'm not running it under gdb
15:04 T4im a heisenbug then
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15:05 Jordach Schrödinger's Bug in this case
15:05 Jordach (actually for how random it is, kinda a decent RNG)
15:08 sfan5 :F
15:09 sfan5 :D *
15:09 kahrl oh, wait, is this actually #1512?
15:09 kahrl I finally got a backtrace in gdb and it looks the same
15:09 VanessaE might be.
15:10 VanessaE interesting that this guy gets the bug under Arch though
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15:16 VanessaE ok strike that..  am I the only linux user who *doesn't* get that particular crash? ;)
15:16 jojoa1997 VanessaE i dont get it either
15:16 jojoa1997 ;)
15:17 jojoa1997 Cause I have not used Ubuntu in forever
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15:17 jojoa1997 VMs to test yes but actual personal use no
15:17 VanessaE I use Xubuntu...
15:19 * sfan5 uses Arch
15:21 * Krock uses Win5.1
15:24 PenguinDad VanessaE: I don't get it either
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15:26 davexunit hello all.  is there a way to configure the search path for games via an environment variable?
15:27 davexunit rather than setting the path at compile time.
15:28 VanessaE davexunit: none that I've seen, and I don't think such will be supported.  why do you need this?
15:28 sfan5 oh look, someone from the FSF
15:29 sfan5 distro package maintainer?
15:29 davexunit VanessaE: I am one of the GNU Guix developers, a new package manager and distribution of the GNU system.  we build on Nix, you may have heard of that.
15:29 sfan5 yay, guessed right
15:29 VanessaE not familiar with Nix, no.
15:29 davexunit packages are built and maintained quite differently than you'd expect in debian.
15:30 PenguinDad http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?p​age=article&amp;item=msi_x99_fail lol
15:30 davexunit there's no /usr/share/minetest/games to write to.  The packages for minetest and minetest_game are built and installed in isolation.
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15:31 VanessaE games are also installed to $HOME/.minetest/games ....
15:31 davexunit when a user installs the packages, they are unioned together via symlinks in the user's "profile".
15:31 sfan5 interesting concept
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15:31 davexunit without getting too much into it, the path to the "minimal" game is different than the path to "minetest_game"
15:31 sfan5 different packages?
15:32 VanessaE minimal is not a game.
15:32 sfan5 not really
15:32 VanessaE do not separate it from the engine core
15:32 davexunit VanessaE: yes, it is packaged with the engine core.
15:32 VanessaE ok
15:32 davexunit but the files are found in the system's games directory
15:32 sfan5 so you need multiple game search paths?
15:32 davexunit my point was that another package *cannot* write to this directory, it is immutable.
15:33 davexunit sfan5: yeah, or some other solution.
15:34 davexunit I'm exploring the possibilities.  I have minetest core already packaged and running on guix. :)
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15:35 sfan5 davexunit: possible solution: http://sprunge.us/MGcf
15:35 sfan5 just add paths there
15:35 davexunit sfan5: the problem is that at build time I shouldn't know about minetest_game.
15:36 davexunit I'd like to keep them decoupled.
15:36 sfan5 getenv("MINETEST_GAME_PATH") and strtok() might work
15:36 davexunit sfan5: yes, that's what I think, too.
15:37 davexunit in guix we have a good system for manipulating search paths and providing the proper settings to users.
15:37 sfan5 btw: if you make any changes that might be generally useful send us a pull
15:37 davexunit sfan5: I'll work on a patch.
15:38 davexunit I will check for the presence of MINETEST_GAME_PATH, otherwise use the path that was compiled in.
15:38 sfan5 so the env. var. overrides the default paths?
15:39 davexunit yeah, only if defined, of course.
15:39 VanessaE davexunit: I suggest MINETEST_SUBGAME_PATH
15:39 davexunit otherwise it looks in the sharepath
15:39 davexunit VanessaE: sounds good to me
15:39 VanessaE since there are many subgames available, else it may be confused for minetest_game
15:39 davexunit whatever name makes it consistent
15:39 davexunit yeah, that makes sense.
15:41 davexunit I appreciate the help, VanessaE and sfan5
15:41 sfan5 np
15:41 davexunit I'll come up with a patch and open a PR.
15:43 MinetestBot [Git] Sapier at GMX dot net -> minetest/minetest: Fix access to invalid data on reception of packet with size 0 944e79d http://git.io/zfXw1w (2014-09-06T17:42:34+02:00)
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15:48 CraigyDavi` Anyone know if it's possible to only alias existing placed blocks of node1 -> node2 but still allow node1 to be placed without converting it?
15:51 T4im well, if all you want is to keep the functionality of node1, why not just drop node2 on dig?
15:52 CraigyDavi` But that would mean that when placing node1 afterwards they would also get node2 on drop
15:54 VanessaE what are you trying to accomplish, more specifically?
15:54 T4im well you could just alias them to node2 now, and give node2 a new on_place that swaps them with a node3 that mimiks node1.. but that will lead to anyone digging node2 to place it as node3 as well
15:54 T4im or on_construct*
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15:57 jojoa1997 VanessaE I use Xubuntu the most on my VM
15:57 CraigyDavi` Well darkage is an old mod so the "cobble" looks like bricks. I wanted to change the texture of the cobble node to actually look like cobble but then I realised it would affect existing buildings. Converting only the existing ones to bricklike nodes would keep the same look at they were before
15:58 CraigyDavi` Then people who intentionally wanted to place a cobble looking node then they could.
15:58 CraigyDavi` Or maybe I'll just have to make them put up with it :)
15:58 Amaz Just make stone drop cobble, and convert the cobble to brick.
15:58 jojoa1997 CraigyDavi` what mod is it?
16:00 CraigyDavi` https://github.com/CraigyDavi/darkage
16:00 jojoa1997 is it this mod? https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=3213
16:00 CraigyDavi` ^^
16:00 VanessaE CraigyDavi`: better idea:  update to current, use worldedit to transform all of those cobble structures to use stonebrick.
16:00 VanessaE then just go with the normal cobble behavior.
16:00 jojoa1997 or maybe use a new node
16:00 jojoa1997 ?
16:00 VanessaE it'll take some time but in the long run it'll be easier
16:01 jojoa1997 VanessaE what about other poeple's worlds?
16:01 CraigyDavi` Amaz, fair enough. Although that would cause the problem of there being no cobble
16:01 T4im i dont think he means that for a single server, but the mod... and there using worldedit isnt possible with its license
16:01 CraigyDavi` Well..I was rather hoping it could be done via the mod
16:02 VanessaE jojoa1997: tough shit?
16:02 VanessaE jojoa1997: or, use worldedit like I just said.  if you transform cobble -> stonebrick when updating such an old world, the players won't notice anything was changed.
16:02 jojoa1997 VanessaE what if someone made a change in a mod that you use and when you updated it it messed everything up?
16:02 VanessaE CraigyDavi`: it can be done but it'll be hacky
16:03 VanessaE jojoa1997: no one made a "change in a mod"..  the game was updated many months ago.
16:03 VanessaE as in, almost two years ago that texture was changed wasn't it?
16:03 jojoa1997 no
16:03 VanessaE yes.
16:03 CraigyDavi` Yes quite a long time ago
16:03 VanessaE more than a year, for sure.
16:03 jojoa1997 the cobble texture changed about a year ago
16:03 T4im (i take it you made your own cobble, and are not talking about the default one..) why not create a new 'real cobble looking node', take away the craftrecipe for the old one and convert all of the old ones on_place to the new one
16:03 VanessaE and a month or two ago, it changed again to give the cobble more definition and substance.
16:04 jojoa1997 probably less because it was the squary texture near before i left
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16:05 CraigyDavi` T4im, but that only takes place when someone walks up to the mapblock, right? And then they would have to remove that code afterwards
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16:06 CraigyDavi` Maybe it's just easier to make a config.php file with darkage.use_classic_cobble = true/false or whatever
16:06 CraigyDavi` *.lua
16:06 VanessaE jojoa1997: https://github.com/minetest/minetest_game/c​ommit/8fece11cc7446f6c1e323a594cf043a8cce96​5f9#diff-5856ae5591da165c790696ec494017d9
16:06 VanessaE March 2012.
16:06 VanessaE that's when it changed from bricks to "cobble" cobble.
16:07 VanessaE wait, wrong commit
16:07 jojoa1997 um
16:07 VanessaE https://github.com/minetest/minetest_game/c​ommit/467e2029e220f1a90aef2c04468a6de95089c​107#diff-5856ae5591da165c790696ec494017d9
16:07 VanessaE that one
16:07 VanessaE March 2013.
16:08 jojoa1997 that was from vobble to brick ;)
16:08 jojoa1997 wtf is witht he mese texture
16:08 VanessaE the second one is when stone bricks were added and is when we gained the cobble-looking texture we had until _next was merged.
16:08 VanessaE so still over a year ago.
16:08 jojoa1997 I miss the old mese look
16:08 CraigyDavi` I like the new mese
16:08 jojoa1997 um
16:09 CraigyDavi` Old one looked like "mese" was drawn by a three year old
16:09 jojoa1997 march 202013
16:09 jojoa1997 Yeah but it had that special feature to it
16:09 VanessaE jojoa1997: yeah.  March 2013.  this is now August 2014.  that's about a year and a half ago.
16:09 jojoa1997 now I have to dig ore to make a block
16:10 jojoa1997 :P
16:10 VanessaE jojoa1997: wrong.
16:10 VanessaE jojoa1997: dig deeper.  solid blocks can be found at -1024 and below.
16:10 jojoa1997 i forgot about that
16:10 jojoa1997 and i meant this one
16:10 jojoa1997 https://raw.githubusercontent.com/minetest/min​etest_game/8fece11cc7446f6c1e323a594cf043a8cce​965f9/mods/default/textures/default_mese.png
16:11 jojoa1997 Why was it removed?
16:12 jojoa1997 great now I feel the necesity to play the old miencraft versions
16:12 CraigyDavi` Well the word mese originated from mese eyes "8D". That texture didn't really sum that up imo
16:12 jojoa1997 mese eyes?
16:12 VanessaE jojoa1997: oh G*d, that old one?  because it's ugly as sin
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16:12 jojoa1997 no that is a smiley face with sun glasses
16:12 VanessaE sorry to cisoun but that one is just terrible
16:12 CraigyDavi` No it's mese eyes
16:13 jojoa1997 um
16:13 jojoa1997 gosh what version did i join in
16:13 jojoa1997 VanessaE what version was the game when you first joined?
16:13 VanessaE jojoa1997: 0.4.0-d1 or thereabouts
16:13 VanessaE March 2012.
16:13 jojoa1997 oh what?
16:14 VanessaE first post was on April 1, 2012.
16:14 jojoa1997 I thought I joined before you
16:14 VanessaE https://forum.minetest.net/memberli​st.php?mode=viewprofile&amp;u=1580
16:14 jojoa1997 I joined july 2012
16:14 jojoa1997 I am blind
16:14 jojoa1997 I remember now
16:14 VanessaE (I don't count my forum join date as when I joined the community - I was here for about a month before I started on the forum)
16:15 jojoa1997 same here
16:15 jojoa1997 I had to go behind my moms back to join XD
16:15 jojoa1997 she was still in control of my email then
16:16 john_minetest same here.
16:16 VanessaE hell you STILL go behind your mom's back :P
16:17 john_minetest Well, I joined one month before I used the forum. But I didn't have to hide it.
16:17 jojoa1997 The first game I played I went in a desert but the thing was HUGE, I never found another biomne except the sea
16:17 jojoa1997 VanessaE yeah but this was the first time I ever did that
16:17 jojoa1997 Minetest corrupted me
16:17 jojoa1997 and also made me independant
16:18 jojoa1997 stupid dad
16:18 jojoa1997 shut off the power to my side of the house to work on electricity
16:18 jojoa1997 I WAS USIG MY DUAL MONITOR HERE!
16:18 john_minetest I never used a dual monitor.
16:18 jojoa1997 john_minetest i waited 5 months to use mine
16:18 jojoa1997 5 months to join
16:19 john_minetest I can't imagine a situation where a dual monitor could be useful except for watching animes while doing stuff.
16:19 jojoa1997 it was also my first forum and my first online multiplayer experience(excepot webkins)
16:19 john_minetest But since I don't watch animes...
16:19 PenguinDad this remembers me of my first ram corruption… lol
16:19 VanessaE john_minetest: trust me, get two monitors and use them for a while and you'll wonder how you EVER got by with just one,.
16:19 jojoa1997 john_minetest watching the college class while doing the work
16:19 VanessaE after a while you may find yourself wishing you had THREE.
16:19 jojoa1997 VanessaE +1
16:19 T4im multi monitor setups pay out quickly.. you need way less context switching, when working on several tasks
16:20 jojoa1997 Example I usually keep my searching google on my right screen(second monitor) and all the video stuff where coloration matters on my leptop screen
16:20 john_minetest I got 10 virtual desktops. pressing alt-desktop_number is faster than looking on an othher monitor.
16:20 jojoa1997 john_minetest that is fine but dual monitor is better
16:20 T4im minetest: nope, since you can look at both at the same time
16:20 VanessaE john_minetest: nope, it's faster with two monitors, because you don't have to re-focus
16:21 john_minetest I just have to switch fast enough ;)
16:21 T4im imagine you code in one window while testing on the other.. no switching of stuff at all.. or write somethign in one, while using the other as a template
16:21 jojoa1997 VanessaE when I move out I want a 3-6 monitor set up when I get a desktop computer
16:21 VanessaE john_minetest: after a while, it feels like having one very wide screen
16:21 T4im yes ^^
16:22 john_minetest I press "alt-e" to get tiled view (which is pretty okay because of widescreen res). And then I do different tasks at the same time.
16:22 VanessaE john_minetest: I'll see your 1920x1080 and raise you 3200x1200. :-)
16:22 jojoa1997 john_minetest i used ubuntu also and had 4 virtual desktops and use deskpot which is that but for windows
16:22 jojoa1997 Dual monitor wroks even better with VDs
16:23 T4im gnome 3 is neat.. it allows you to set up VD that way, that it only switches one monitor to another vd..
16:23 MinetestBot [Git] Sapier at GMX dot net -> minetest/minetest: Log unhandled exceptions in connectionthreads to errorstream 62ea342 http://git.io/72CAhA (2014-09-06T18:22:27+02:00)
16:23 john_minetest HD resolution is nice. Games look better. But I don't see so much other enhancement.
16:23 T4im you can basicly have a sticky browser :)
16:23 T4im or something similar
16:23 VanessaE john_minetest: when your eyes go bad, you'll wish you had a bigger monitor :)
16:23 VanessaE more pixels is nice
16:24 john_minetest Well, a big monitor is good. But all in all, the text is a lot smaller here than on my lower-res display.
16:24 jojoa1997 VanessaE what monitor do you use?
16:24 jojoa1997 My second monitor is my TV
16:24 VanessaE jojoa1997: I have a pair of Dell 2001FPs
16:25 jojoa1997 pic?
16:25 T4im there's this computer scientist guy, that held lectures after being diagnosed with a brain tumor.. one of the tips he gave to everyone, where he regreted to not do it earlier in life, is to buy a second screen.. :P
16:25 jojoa1997 Ill have to show you a pic of my setup
16:25 * T4im forgot the name, but he appeared later in a star trek movie as a last wish
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16:25 jojoa1997 I miss my old desk where it had more room but I can now put my computer in a corner
16:25 VanessaE jojoa1997: I do not have a good photo of this setup, my desk is too messy :P
16:25 jojoa1997 my desk
16:26 jojoa1997 VanessaE i mean online
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16:26 jojoa1997 I think I will go play Minecraft
16:27 VanessaE noooo
16:27 jojoa1997 FYI Minecraft is way better as a game but if you mod stuff for Minetest_game...Minecraft is still smoother ;)
16:27 VanessaE so help make minetest better.
16:27 jojoa1997 My mom prefers Minetest over Minecraft because she can barely play Minetest and cant play Minecraft XD
16:27 jojoa1997 VanessaE I am playing with a friend
16:28 jojoa1997 Anyways once I get a Minetest server up we can play minetest too ;D
16:28 VanessaE meh, just play on mine
16:29 jojoa1997 Um
16:29 jojoa1997 no
16:29 VanessaE :(
16:29 VanessaE not even Vanilla?
16:29 jojoa1997 First I dont want to force her to register in the forums and stuff
16:29 VanessaE you don't have to.
16:29 jojoa1997 and two we are playing with ea...WHAT!
16:29 VanessaE G*d damn you are out of date.
16:29 jojoa1997 VanessaE who are you and what have you done with VanessaE
16:30 VanessaE oh hell jojo I lifted that rule a LONG time ago
16:30 jojoa1997 VanessaE the most I have been involved until recently is barely looking at the forums
16:30 jojoa1997 ok VanessaE write me an essay on all the changes that has happened to everyone so I am up to date
16:30 jojoa1997 NOW
16:30 * jojoa1997 offers VanessaE a kitten as an exchange
16:31 VanessaE "Well, first the earth cooled...and then the dinosaurs came, but they got too big and fat, so they died and turned into oil.  And then the Arabs came, and they bought Mercedes Benzes..."
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16:32 jojoa1997 um
16:32 jojoa1997 you are wrong
16:32 luizrpgluiz hi
16:32 jojoa1997 one second
16:33 jojoa1997 I currently fact checked a video
16:33 fishyWET hey, would anyone be interested to combine capes from minetest_game default character into minetest-3d-armor character, to allow capes and armor to be worn at the same time, sort of targeted towards Jordach
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16:33 VanessaE jojoa1997: jeez man, get some culture.  I was quoting "Airplane!".
16:34 jojoa1997 Well it was before the dinosaurs, but when the plants ruled the earth and there was .... VanessaE I am in IB. I dont have time to talk here let alone get soem culture
16:34 jojoa1997 Capes on default character?
16:34 jojoa1997 They finished that?!@
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16:34 VanessaE wait, Airplane II
16:34 jojoa1997 Jordach hi
16:34 VanessaE I was quoting Airplane II rather.
16:35 VanessaE Steve McCroskey: Jacobs, I want to know absolutely everything that's happened up till now.
16:35 VanessaE Jacobs: Well, let's see. First the earth cooled. And then the dinosaurs came, but they got too big and fat, so they all died and they turned into oil. And then the Arabs came and they bought Mercedes Benzes. And Prince Charles started wearing all of Lady Di's clothes. I couldn't believe it.
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16:35 jojoa1997 forget playing
16:35 jojoa1997 It is time to do some testing of elementaryOS
16:36 jojoa1997 Does anyone here use python day to day?
16:36 VanessaE jojoa1997: just watch this.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MabLtuTpDw8
16:36 VanessaE 25 seconds.
16:37 VanessaE that video fits PERFECTLY with this discussion
16:37 VanessaE it can't get any better.
16:37 jojoa1997 lol
16:37 jojoa1997 VanessaE one word
16:37 jojoa1997 OLD! That is an old movie and I dont watch that many movies
16:38 VanessaE just watch the G*d damned clip :)
16:38 VanessaE you can spare 25 seconds :)
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16:41 jojoa1997 i watched it
16:41 jojoa1997 hence the old comment
16:42 * dimension wonders what she walked into
16:43 jojoa1997 shadowzone you walked into my MIND! I cant even escape the insanity!
16:43 * shadowzone shivers
16:43 shadowzone It is creepy in here.
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16:44 jojoa1997 You know I have seen Windows, Linux, and Mac and really they all are not bad. To me it seems that people dont like the companies or ideas behind the operating systems
16:44 shadowzone I prefer linux.
16:44 jojoa1997 so all those who think that Macs are now in the sour apple stage and Windows should be thrown out of themselves can go in a hole. Argue against the company or idea not the product!
16:45 jojoa1997 shadowzone I like Linux a lot but I will always use Windows.
16:45 jojoa1997 Though Windows 8 seems nice but it sucks because it is a pain in da behind
16:46 jojoa1997 VanessaE did I used to spam around right before I left?
16:46 VanessaE jojoa1997: not that I recall.
16:47 jojoa1997 Did I spam when I first joined?
16:47 jojoa1997 actually
16:47 VanessaE a bit, yes.
16:47 VanessaE as for windows or os-x, I've used both, and I don't like how they function.
16:47 jojoa1997 VanessaE I do agree with you a bit there. Except there is no perfect OS ;)
16:48 VanessaE windows has a track record of poor security and poor stability, and it is maintained by a company that panders to the US government and media corporations, so it is not trustworthy in the slightest.  os-x I just don't like its usability model is all.
16:48 jojoa1997 Now that I think about it, to me I did not spam when I first joined because I didnt understand how forums really work and there was no malicious content. I just posted wrond and did have many questions
16:49 jojoa1997 Ah but VanessaE windows uses all the programs my mom bought and Linux distributions dont last long in my hands
16:49 T4im well.. theres a slight hope that the new CEO turns a few things around at MS... at least i doubt he can make anthing worse... that ballmer guy was simply crazy
16:49 jojoa1997 I have broken a Linux OS over 100 times now.
16:50 T4im thats the difference.. you gotta break a linux.. windows breaks all on its own
16:50 jojoa1997 not a single one but overall. Only ubuntu seems to last for me compared to the others(7 times for ubuntu)
16:50 jojoa1997 T4im no
16:50 T4im :D
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16:50 T4im at least it did back in the days
16:51 jojoa1997 I have never broke or had windows break on me
16:51 VanessaE jojoa1997: if an OS "doesn't last long in [your] hands" I'd call that a PEBCAK issue ;-)
16:51 jojoa1997 It is the user, My sister had to get a new computer because she physically broke it and "mentally" broke it while mine is in perfect overused condition
16:51 jojoa1997 PEBCAK?
16:52 VanessaE Problem Exists Between Chair And Keyboard
16:52 VanessaE ;)
16:52 jojoa1997 Did I ever say I was sane?
16:52 VanessaE haha
16:52 T4im jojoa: even today, people defend windows still by 'its pretty stable by now'... they dont sell you the feature of useability, security, ease of use, empowering, performance, cost effeciency, or anything else but the fact, that it is not suddenly bsod'ing anymore..
16:52 T4im :D
16:53 jojoa1997 T4im I am not defending the stability or windows. I am defending windows on the fact that
16:53 jojoa1997 those who hate windows think
16:53 jojoa1997 that those who use and like windows are idiots
16:54 jojoa1997 Also a friend of mine uses Mac for it's ability in design. Me I use windows cause 1) mom(I cant argue against he most authoritative figure in my life for hte most part) and 2) I am too integrated into it,
16:55 T4im well.. fair enough.. i guess that or something along those lines might be 'felt' quite often i guess.. if it makes you feel any better, i dont think that it implies being an idiot at all..
16:55 jojoa1997 But I also use Linux and see the not perfect side of it
16:55 T4im though i do count this as another issue of 'plato's cave'
16:55 T4im just as the monitors
16:55 T4im ;)
16:55 jojoa1997 Also I think it is bad that the fact that I uninstalled ever program on a ubuntu live usb means something
16:56 Krock Do you know the situation where you need to fart but can't
16:56 jojoa1997 School
16:57 jojoa1997 VanessaE what are all the kinds of servers you run?
16:58 VanessaE jojoa1997: I have eight of them
16:58 Krock casimir, I was on your server and ran into a problem: How can I craft an axe? It's not possible to dig the trunks by hand and the leaves are only craftable to sticks
16:59 VanessaE two running Dreambuilder (one creative, one survival).  One running Nore/sfan5's MG mapgen mod, one running Nostalgia Game, one running Realtest, one Vanilla + a few basic mods, one also vanilla + a few more mods + PVP (free for all), and one for testing experimental stuff on technic
17:00 sfan5 !server mg
17:00 MinetestBot sfan5: No results
17:00 sfan5 ..
17:01 jojoa1997 VanessaE geesh
17:01 Krock !server mapgen
17:01 MinetestBot Krock: VanessaE's/Nore's Lua mapgen test Server | digitalaudioconcepts.com:30003 | Clients: 0/50, 0/1 | Version: 0.4.10-dev / minetest_game | Ping: 218ms
17:02 Krock sfan5 ^
17:02 sfan5 i see
17:02 PenguinDad !server Creative
17:02 MinetestBot PenguinDad: VanessaE's Creative Server | digitalaudioconcepts.com | Clients: 0/50, 0/1 | Version: 0.4.10-dev / dreambuilder_game | Ping: 116ms
17:02 VanessaE sfan5: the bot name in the server network is "MG-Nore"
17:02 jojoa1997 time to do my class, I am insane for doing a college class and all IB classes
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17:03 jojoa1997 oh also my spanish teacher told my class that International Baccalaureate meant International High School...I learned the meaning of my program's english name in Spanish... wtf is this!
17:05 sfan5 !server players:most
17:05 MinetestBot sfan5: just test | 87.110.8.195 | Clients: 59/78, 65/75 | Version: 0.4.10-dev / minetest | Ping: 46ms
17:07 jojoa1997 How would I make a gas in Minetest? Kinda like water physics but going up?
17:07 VanessaE there's no function for that yet
17:07 VanessaE you'll have to fake it
17:08 jojoa1997 That is what i mean
17:08 jojoa1997 How can I fake it
17:08 jojoa1997 Or is someone working on something like that?
17:08 VanessaE setting nodes and managing where you set them
17:08 VanessaE I mean literally coding it from scratch
17:08 jojoa1997 Forget that it would be too laggy
17:09 VanessaE it would be slow, but not necessarily laggy
17:09 jojoa1997 What would be a sensible way of extracting gasses from the air? I want to make an elements mod(all the elements int he periodic table) so i can do some realistic mods
17:09 VanessaE that has been tried before and can't be done the way you want
17:10 VanessaE besides, air contains only a few trace elements.
17:10 VanessaE most of the elements you'd get from the ground.
17:10 jojoa1997 I was planning on having air pockets underground
17:10 VanessaE you'd have to make a machine that basically randomly creates and drops whatever your element is.
17:10 jojoa1997 grrrr
17:10 jojoa1997 I hate/suck at formspec
17:10 jojoa1997 s
17:10 VanessaE everyone does.
17:11 VanessaE except RBA and sapier :)
17:11 jojoa1997 Oh VanessaE I finally understand the for loops. all thanks to testing in python
17:11 jojoa1997 VanessaE I love them but I hate anything but the player inventory
17:12 jojoa1997 Is there a machine that randomly gives you items that someone else has coded
17:12 jojoa1997 ?
17:12 sfan5 #
17:12 * jojoa1997 pets sfan5
17:12 * sfan5 purrs
17:12 VanessaE not that I know of, but your "mese giver" item from your display blocks mod is similar.
17:12 VanessaE re-code that to do what you want.
17:12 jojoa1997 what?
17:12 jojoa1997 display blocks...
17:12 jojoa1997 googleing
17:13 jojoa1997 I made that?
17:13 VanessaE https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=59393
17:13 jojoa1997 That is too good for me to have mad
17:13 jojoa1997 made
17:13 VanessaE yup
17:13 jojoa1997 I couldnt have coded something like that I suck, I cant even remem... I havent coded in near a year I just remembered
17:14 VanessaE you coded it.
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17:14 VanessaE your git repo even still exists:  https://github.com/jojoa1997/display_blocks
17:14 jojoa1997 no wonder I always remmebered it being easier, I also forgot about overcraftorigins
17:14 Krock jojoa1997, you have 7 mods, 4 of them are in modding general
17:14 Krock magic.
17:14 VanessaE and I still use that mod in dreambuilder.
17:14 jojoa1997 Krock nope
17:15 jojoa1997 Overcraft Origins has lots more mods that I mostly rewrote
17:15 jojoa1997 also I have to update this now D: https://github.com/jojoa1997/MC_TO_MT_CONV
17:15 jojoa1997 Maybe I will just make a python script
17:15 Krock .bat <3
17:16 sfan5 ew .bat
17:16 sfan5 ew cmd.exe
17:16 sfan5 ew .exe
17:16 jojoa1997 ew cat
17:16 sfan5 ew windows
17:16 sfan5 ew microsoft
17:16 * jojoa1997 stabs sfan5
17:16 jojoa1997 say ew to microsoft not windows
17:16 * sfan5 meows at jojoa1997
17:16 Krock I could write a more efficient program in C#, but idk where MC stores all those images
17:16 sfan5 windows sucks
17:16 jojoa1997 wtf
17:16 sfan5 microsoft sucks less than windows
17:16 Krock sfan5, only if you pay for it.
17:17 jojoa1997 the chemistry mod depends on technic
17:17 jojoa1997 but gives an error
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17:18 jojoa1997 It has gas condesner
17:18 * sfan5 goes play some Sauerbraten
17:18 casimir Krock: I updated the post about the server and added some recipes there.
17:19 * Krock gives casimir one of his 18 million cookies
17:19 casimir *nom*
17:20 Krock casimir, so I have to find rocks to start enjoy
17:20 Krock (because they're the only hand-digable)
17:20 casimir Yes, but they are quite common.
17:21 jojoa1997 VanessaE I know. Build a block that poops out special vials containing gasses
17:21 Krock hmm. this can result in some ugly stone fields because the dirt above has been dug :3
17:21 jojoa1997 pops
17:21 VanessaE jojoa1997: exactly.
17:21 VanessaE jojoa1997: but the user needs to put stuff into that block
17:22 VanessaE otherwise it's just a source of free materials.
17:22 jojoa1997 I would like to see a way to add modifiers into Minetest like for tooks
17:22 jojoa1997 tools
17:23 jojoa1997 also VanessaE it would need fuel to run and glass bottles put in
17:23 VanessaE that's a start.
17:23 jojoa1997 VanessaE what branch do you get the technic mod from
17:23 VanessaE https://github.com/minetest-technic/technic/
17:23 VanessaE master branch
17:24 jojoa1997 I will just use that for power ;)
17:24 VanessaE that's smart actually.
17:24 VanessaE HV power and glass or steel bottles in, materials out
17:25 jordan4ibanez 1.) Get ps4
17:25 jordan4ibanez 2.) Get xbox 1
17:25 jojoa1997 hmmm
17:26 jordan4ibanez 3.) Lock in room
17:26 jordan4ibanez 4.)...
17:26 jojoa1997 VanessaE is there a wiki for technic
17:26 jojoa1997 or actually
17:26 VanessaE jojoa1997: there's a manual on that link, and an outdated craft guide, http://technic.kosyak.info/
17:26 jojoa1997 I just need to join your server
17:27 VanessaE that'll help somewhat
17:27 Krock VanessaE, seems like it got updated in the last 5 months - it's now chrome compatible
17:28 * sfan5 meows at jordan4ibanez
17:28 VanessaE Krock: it's outdated in the sense of the recipes and textures being shown are old
17:28 jojoa1997 VanessaE it says access denied wrong password
17:28 jordan4ibanez No sfan5, get off the RUG
17:29 VanessaE jojoa1997: what says?
17:29 jojoa1997 your creative server
17:29 jojoa1997 can you reset it?
17:29 VanessaE jojoa1997: sure
17:29 Krock jordan4ibanez, you forgot to take a
17:29 jordan4ibanez beer
17:29 * sfan5 is a cat
17:29 * sfan5 curls up to jordan4ibanez's lap
17:29 Krock yes. food
17:30 VanessaE jojoa1997: /msg.
17:30 jojoa1997 saw
17:30 * PenguinDad wgets up to jordan4ibanez' lap
17:30 jojoa1997 I am now hacking into my account >:D
17:30 Jordach jojoa1997, i see you
17:30 sfan5 jordan4ibanez: since when are you here?
17:31 Krock jojoa1997, I guess, that's alloud
17:31 Krock *allowed
17:33 VanessaE beat you to it, Jordach
17:33 jordan4ibanez Since yesterday
17:33 VanessaE jojoa1997: you lacked interact because of a server auth reset a long time ago
17:35 davexunit hello again.  I have created a patch that adds support for a MINETEST_SUBGAME_PATH env var: https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/1609
17:35 jojoa1997 ah
17:36 * Krock looks happily at his "(1.19% of all posts / 5.02 posts per day)" display
17:36 VanessaE davexunit: mention this in #minetest-dev also
17:36 davexunit VanessaE: oh sure, I forgot about that channel.  thanks.
17:39 jojoa1997 what is the centrifuge for?
17:45 jojoa1997 VanessaE now I remember why I stopped playing on your server. It was WAY to laggy
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17:46 VanessaE define "laggy"
17:46 jojoa1997 wait not laggy, well
17:46 PenguinDad Lag y?
17:46 jojoa1997 I do an action and it takes 30 seconds for it to start
17:46 VanessaE the centrifuge is used for creating uranium fuel for the nuke reactor.
17:46 jojoa1997 I wish you could just make a nuke reactor without all that concrete
17:46 VanessaE jojoa1997: come on, my servers are not that laggy,
17:47 jojoa1997 VanessaE internet connection
17:47 VanessaE jojoa1997: you can.
17:47 jojoa1997 what?
17:47 jojoa1997 Hpw
17:47 jojoa1997 how
17:47 VanessaE follow the manual.
17:47 jojoa1997 which is where?
17:47 VanessaE on the technic repo
17:47 VanessaE https://github.com/minetest-techn​ic/technic/blob/master/manual.md
17:48 jojoa1997 wow I am still amazed at how much I posted. 2% of all posts and 4.49 posts per fday even though I left for about half a year
17:49 * Jordach isn't a fan of peeling player_textures data from his VRAM
17:50 VanessaE so wget it from my archive :P
17:52 jojoa1997 VanessaE it doesnt say anything about a way to bypass making the outer shell
17:53 VanessaE jojoa1997: you just don't make the outer shell.
17:53 VanessaE but the caveat is higher radiation then
17:53 jojoa1997 I am testing a mod
17:53 jojoa1997 I dont want to constantly remake the reactor
17:54 * sfan5 meows at jojoa1997
17:54 VanessaE jojoa1997: so build it once and don't let it melt down.
17:54 jojoa1997 VanessaE I think an option should be added
17:54 jojoa1997 to allow  the bypass of all of that stuff
17:54 VanessaE no dice
17:55 VanessaE build it or use a shitload of solar panels.
17:55 VanessaE the whole point of technic is to be realistic, not to be used as a testing platform for some other mod :)
17:56 jojoa1997 well I also would not build the reactor on my survival world
17:56 jojoa1997 I am lazy ;)
17:56 VanessaE lots of people built them on mine.
17:56 jojoa1997 the testing another mod is an excuse
17:56 jojoa1997 VanessaE I built the first one remember
17:57 jojoa1997 I was going to let other poeple use it but the chuncks became a problem
17:57 VanessaE I don't remember who built the first one :P
17:57 VanessaE that's not a problem anymore
17:57 jojoa1997 what?
17:57 VanessaE technic can send power long distances now
17:57 Krock VanessaE, by forceloading blocks?
17:57 VanessaE Krock: yep
17:57 Krock :/
17:58 jojoa1997 Does anyone have an OpenSuse server that is running a Minetest server?
17:58 Krock Redcrab
17:58 VanessaE redcrab doesn't count :P
17:58 VanessaE he still runs 0.4.4 for crying out loud :P
17:58 jojoa1997 Redcrab is gone isnt he
17:59 VanessaE not precisely.
17:59 VanessaE the server is still around and redcrab keeps paying the hosting bill
17:59 VanessaE but he isn't around to update it
17:59 VanessaE idk why
18:00 jojoa1997 bbl
18:01 Krock Always look up on everybody unless they hinder you getting down.
18:02 Krock :)
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18:03 PenguinDad Krock: ~someone isn't everybody
18:03 Krock PenguinDad, then tell me the correct !"someone"
18:04 Krock ¨help
18:05 * Krock tried to access HLuaBot
18:05 Krock HLuaBot:
18:05 PenguinDad Krock: nobody
18:05 PenguinDad ''help
18:05 HLuaBot Commands: reload, load, unload, plugins, op, deop, devoice, voice, join, part, help, uptime, echo, raw, eval, quit, more, ping, shutdown, config, networks, connect, disconnect, tell -- Use 'help <command name>' to get help with a specific command.
18:05 VanessaE not ¨
18:05 VanessaE ''
18:05 Krock almost.
18:05 Krock ''give
18:05 HLuaBot Unknown command "give". Try "help".
18:05 * Krock gives jojoa1997 Always look up on nobody unless they hinder you getting down.
18:06 sfan5 !c ''.join(chr(~ord(c)) for c in "someone")
18:06 MinetestBot ValueError: chr() arg not in range(0x110000)
18:06 Krock !rev someone
18:06 MinetestBot enoemos
18:06 sfan5 uh oh
18:06 PenguinDad ''help echo
18:06 HLuaBot Usage: echo <Text> -- Say something
18:06 sfan5 !c ''.join(chr(~ord(c) & 0xff) for c in "someone")
18:06 MinetestBot '\x8c\x90\x92\x9a\x90\x91\x9a'
18:06 jojoa1997 Krock ?
18:06 Krock lel
18:06 sfan5 Krock: '\x8c\x90\x92\x9a\x90\x91\x9a'
18:06 Krock jojoa1997, your exit message
18:06 jojoa1997 yeah
18:07 Krock I flipped it
18:07 jojoa1997 what did I set it to again?
18:07 VanessaE [09-06 14:01] * jojoa1997 has quit (Quit: Never look down on someone unless you're helping them up.)
18:07 Krock - jojoa1997 quit (Quit: Never look down on someone unless you're helping them up.)
18:07 PenguinDad !c (ord('A'), ord('a'))
18:07 MinetestBot (65, 97)
18:07 VanessaE ninja'd :)
18:07 Krock :(
18:07 jojoa1997 yeah
18:07 jojoa1997 and it is true
18:07 jojoa1997 not like the lies Krock was preaching
18:08 jojoa1997 ;)
18:08 Krock !c 'LOL'.join(chr(~ord(c) & 0xffff) for c in "someone")
18:08 MinetestBot 'フLOLミLOLメLOLレLOLミLOLムLOLレ'
18:08 Krock trololo
18:08 jojoa1997 Never look down on someone unless you're helping them up, or you are taller than them!
18:08 PenguinDad SHOUTING SAVES BANDWITH! :D
18:08 Krock PenguinDad, mhm?
18:08 PenguinDad !c (ord('A'), ord('a'))
18:08 MinetestBot (65, 97)
18:08 PenguinDad ^ Krock
18:08 jojoa1997 Cause my friend is shorter than me and I am always looking down  , when I am looking at her
18:08 jojoa1997 It sucks being tall
18:09 Krock OKAY BUT SHOUTING IS NOT VERY NICE
18:09 Krock It's not like chat eats too much bandwith
18:09 sfan5 Krock: cats eat bandwidth
18:09 sfan5 !c ''.join(chr(~ord(c) & 0xffff) for c in "someone")
18:09 MinetestBot 'フミメレミムレ'
18:09 sfan5 sounds good
18:09 sfan5 thats the inverse of "someone"
18:10 Krock sfan5, yeah. they alsoeat the middle line of the roads, in 2m - distances
18:10 sfan5 !c ''.join(chr(~ord(c) & 0xffff) for c in "Hello, I'm sfan5 and I'm a cat.")
18:10 MinetestBot 'ᄋレモモミᅮ\uffdfᄊ\uffd8メ\uffdfフル゙ムᅧ\uffdf゙​ムロ\uffdfᄊ\uffd8メ\uffdf゙\uffdfヷヒ\uffd1'
18:10 Krock > \uffdf
18:11 PenguinDad !c ''.join(chr(~ord(c) & 0xffffff) for c in "Hello, I'm sfan5 and I'm a cat.")
18:11 MinetestBot ValueError: chr() arg not in range(0x110000)
18:11 PenguinDad :(
18:11 * VanessaE waits for the inevitable bot segfault
18:11 sfan5 !c ''.join(chr(~ord(c) & 0x110000) for c in "Hello, I'm sfan5 and I'm a cat.")
18:11 MinetestBot ValueError: chr() arg not in range(0x110000)
18:11 sfan5 uh
18:12 Krock !c ''.join(chr(~ord(c) & 0x10FFFF) for c in "Hello, I'm sfan5 and I'm a cat.")
18:12 MinetestBot '\U0010ffb7\U0010ff9a\U0010ff93\U0010ff93\U00​10ff90\U0010ffd3\U0010ffdf\U0010ffb6\U0010ffd​8\U0010ff92\U0010ffdf\U0010ff8c\U0010ff99\U00​10ff9e\U0010ff91\U0010ffca\U0010ffdf\U0010ff9​e\U0010ff91\U0010ff9b\U0010ffdf\U0010ffb6\U00​10ffd8\U0010ff92\U0010ffdf\U0010ff9e\U0010ffd​f\U0010ff9c\U0010ff9e\U0010ff8b\U0010ffd1'
18:12 sfan5 ah
18:12 Krock bingo.
18:12 jojoa1997 what?
18:12 jojoa1997 It says packages are not found
18:12 jojoa1997 I cant build a server?
18:12 sfan5 !c ''.join(chr(~(ord(c) & 0xffff)) for c in "Hello, I'm sfan5 and I'm a cat.")
18:12 MinetestBot ValueError: chr() arg not in range(0x110000)
18:12 VanessaE jojoa1997: what packages?
18:12 jojoa1997 um
18:12 sfan5 !c ''.join(chr(~ord(c) & 0xffff) for c in "nobody")
18:12 MinetestBot 'ムミンミロニ'
18:12 Krock sfan5, you said a ")" too much
18:12 jojoa1997 zypper install build-essential libirrlicht-dev cmake libbz2-dev libpng12-dev libjpeg8-dev libxxf86vm-dev libgl1-mesa-dev libsqlite3-dev libogg-dev libvorbis-dev libopenal-dev libcurl4-gnutls-dev libfreetype6-dev
18:13 Krock where the error came
18:13 sfan5 jojoa1997: opensuse will not have the same package names as debian
18:13 jojoa1997 well then what packages!
18:13 Krock google it.
18:13 jojoa1997 grrrr no way!
18:13 sfan5 search there http://software.opensuse.org/
18:13 sfan5 (maybe)
18:14 * Krock wonders....
18:14 * PenguinDad throws Muminmironi at sfan5 :P
18:14 jojoa1997 Anyone got a free server they would like to donate!
18:14 Krock !c ''.join(chr(~ord(c) | 0x10FFFF) for c in "nobody")
18:14 MinetestBot ValueError: chr() arg not in range(0x110000)
18:14 jojoa1997 jk
18:17 * sfan5 throws Fumimeremimure at PenguinDad :p
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18:18 sfan5 !c ''.join(chr(~ord(c) & 0xffff) for c in "anybody")
18:18 MinetestBot '゙ムニンミロニ'
18:19 jojoa1997 :O https://www.evolvehq.com/games/3388
18:20 jojoa1997 they actually added it
18:22 jojoa1997 I wonder is there any way to host a Minetest server without port forewarding
18:22 VanessaE depends on your network setup
18:22 VanessaE I never had to port-forward from my box.
18:23 Jordach uPNP is the only way of doing it at home
18:23 VanessaE because I didn't use a router
18:23 jojoa1997 WPA2
18:23 jojoa1997 uPNP?
18:23 Krock ^insecure
18:23 VanessaE Jordach: not true.
18:23 jojoa1997 D:
18:23 Krock universal plug n' play
18:23 VanessaE just stop putting a router on every damn home network if it isn't truly needed
18:23 Jordach VanessaE, the router will open them for the machine for the time required
18:23 jojoa1997 VanessaE it is needed in my home
18:24 Jordach VanessaE, most ISP modem / DSL / ADSL connection points (the Wi-Fail box) act also as a router
18:24 VanessaE Jordach: and that feature can be turned off in the modem, too
18:25 * VanessaE shrugs
18:25 PenguinDad Krock: if you are using a totally outdated of your os then it surely is insecure
18:25 PenguinDad + version
18:26 Krock PenguinDad, "As a result, some UPnP devices ship with UPnP turned off by default as a security measure." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wi​ki/Universal_Plug_and_Play -> Problems with UPnP
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18:27 jojoa1997 and technic needs pipeworks!
18:27 f-a just downloaded compiled minetest, good job guys
18:27 jojoa1997 another mod!
18:27 Krock f-a, you'll find the developers in #minetest-dev
18:27 f-a thanks Krock
18:28 f-a what do you guys play?
18:28 f-a I mean, vanilla?
18:28 Krock omg you have a type speed of 100 km/h
18:28 f-a :P
18:28 Krock Today I ade vanilla (ice cream) and played minetest.
18:28 PenguinDad Krock: did you know that every soft- and hardware is potentially insecure? :p
18:28 Krock *ate
18:29 Krock PenguinDad, yeah. even toasters could stand and kill all people on the earth by heating
18:29 jojoa1997 what does initlib mean?
18:29 jojoa1997 when it says it in depends
18:29 Krock possible it's the translation mod?
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18:30 Krock https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?t=4929
18:30 VanessaE jojoa1997: if it has a ? mark, ignore it.
18:30 VanessaE you don't NEED that mod.
18:30 jojoa1997 kk
18:30 VanessaE ? means optional.
18:30 jojoa1997 VanessaE where is my npc mod on your server?
18:31 VanessaE deleted.
18:31 jojoa1997 how come i forogt
18:31 VanessaE it stopped working long ago
18:31 VanessaE you weren't around to fix it
18:31 VanessaE so I removed it
18:31 jojoa1997 ah
18:31 jojoa1997 oh yeah
18:31 jojoa1997 i was around but i didnt know how
18:31 jojoa1997 then it was fixed and then something happened and i didnt really care anymore
18:31 VanessaE there is a trader NPC mod on Survival, by Sokomine
18:31 jojoa1997 I will wait till the mob api to update it
18:32 VanessaE and Creative and Survival have mummies in the desert pyramids
18:32 jojoa1997 his isnt as sporatic as mine
18:32 VanessaE what mob api?
18:32 VanessaE there isn't one
18:32 VanessaE probably never will be
18:32 jojoa1997 ...what?
18:32 VanessaE hers*
18:32 Krock http://i.imgur.com/nJoWUuk.gif
18:33 jojoa1997 VanessaE Minetest really needs a MobAPI
18:33 jojoa1997 being coded in C++ to make it faster
18:33 VanessaE jojoa1997: it needs a LOT of things, but right now what it needs mods are bug fixes and performance improvements.  RealBadAngel is working on some of that
18:33 jojoa1997 I know
18:34 VanessaE a MOB API will probably not happen for a VERY long time and if it does, it will never be right because it will not be client-side like the devs know it needs to be
18:34 jojoa1997 but the improvements will never stop
18:34 VanessaE so it'll never be any good.
18:34 VanessaE s/needs mods/needs most/
18:34 f-a mhhh
18:34 jojoa1997 meh
18:34 Krock jojoa1997, the API already exists - but only in Lua
18:34 f-a so, to enable mobs, I do have to download a mob, right?
18:34 jojoa1997 where
18:34 jojoa1997 in another mod?
18:35 jojoa1997 no thank you
18:35 VanessaE f-a: you have to download a mod such as MOBF, Calinou's fork of Simple MOBs, or similar
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18:35 jojoa1997 I really dont like installing tons of mods, That is why I pushed so hard to add stuff to default game before
18:35 f-a VanessaE: thanks for the tip. Any particular one you suggest?
18:35 VanessaE f-a: one of those two in particular.
18:36 jojoa1997 I would suggest Mobf if your computer can handle it
18:36 f-a okie-dokie
18:36 VanessaE mobf:  https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=629
18:36 VanessaE simple mobs:  https://forum.minetest.net/v​iewtopic.php?f=11&amp;t=9656
18:37 VanessaE creatures:  https://forum.minetest.net/v​iewtopic.php?f=9&amp;t=9240
18:37 VanessaE those are the three most popular ones.
18:38 VanessaE jojoa1997: MOBF is no longer a problem with lag/CPU usage.  sapier has fixed all of the issues it was thought to have.
18:39 Krock http://goo.gl/8kfBGx
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18:40 Krock mhm a Linux user clicked it with the chrome browser
18:40 PenguinDad That design hurts my eyes :'(
18:40 VanessaE chromium.
18:40 Krock I don't like that shortener. too insecure
18:41 Jordach party like 1997 baby
18:41 VanessaE chrome, indeed.  as if.
18:41 sfan5 me too
18:41 sfan5 linux & chromium
18:42 Krock http://goo.gl/#analytics/goo.gl/8kfBGx/all_time
18:42 Krock they simply ignore the privacy
18:42 VanessaE FAIL
18:43 sfan5 Krock: we can't see your statistics
18:43 Krock sfan5, mhm okay
18:43 * Jordach can
18:43 jojoa1997 How come the technic mod is messed up
18:43 * PenguinDad can too
18:43 VanessaE jojoa1997: works fine for me.
18:43 Jordach https://cdn.mediacru.sh/6elzCkQyDinM.png
18:44 jojoa1997 VanessaE you have a different init
18:44 Krock jojoa1997, it worked for me, last time I checked
18:44 VanessaE jojoa1997: I keep up-to-date with technic, though my current pull itsn't.
18:44 VanessaE isn't*
18:44 VanessaE no, strike that
18:44 jojoa1997 the one from the github link VanessaE gave me the init in technic/technic is the same as technic/technic/machines
18:44 VanessaE it should be up-to-date.
18:44 jojoa1997 that is the problem
18:45 VanessaE jojoa1997: https://github.com/minetest-technic/technic is the repository for technic.
18:45 VanessaE it's what I use.
18:45 Krock jojoa1997, any error log?
18:45 jojoa1997 or what i downloaded didnt have that
18:46 jojoa1997 it is fine
18:46 VanessaE jojoa1997: just clone the repository and use it directly.
18:46 jojoa1997 i just copied it from dreambuilder
18:47 VanessaE dreambuilder's technic might be a little bit outdated
18:47 VanessaE also some components therein are disabled
18:47 VanessaE e.g. frames
18:48 jojoa1997 whatevs
18:49 Krock Two eyes for a face, two tooth for spongebob, two evil for nether
18:49 VanessaE ...
18:49 Krock ^^
18:49 PenguinDad vv
18:50 VanessaE >>
18:50 Krock <<
18:50 VanessaE ¯| ¯|
18:51 PenguinDad VanessaE: ¬ ¬
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19:03 PenguinDad TIL you can set multiple settings with one minetest.setting_set call
19:07 * Krock is glad to see xyz active in minetest stuff again
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19:09 PenguinDad Krock: xyz isn't really working on minetest
19:09 garfonzo Hello
19:10 Krock PenguinDad, but at least active in the github repo
19:10 Krock hi garfonzo
19:12 garfonzo So is this just a general chat room for Minetest? I've poked around the Minetest site, tried out the game a bit, but thought I'd say "hello".
19:12 garfonzo or is there a specific purpose to this chat room?
19:12 Krock uhm. general chatting room
19:12 Krock for core developement stuff, visit #minetest-dev
19:13 garfonzo Ya, I have been watching that room a bit.
19:13 garfonzo Ah, I see. Krock you associated with Minetest in any way, or just another player/user?
19:13 * Krock is still searching a good topic to answer to
19:14 Krock garfonzo, I'm modder and sometimes I create small pull requests for the engine
19:14 Krock but over all - adverage
19:14 Krock -d
19:16 garfonzo @Krock Cool. I'm a software dev irl and have been a bit curious about the future of MineCRAFT servers, given what's unfolding. I imagine indie games, such as Minetest, might see an influx of players.... maybe
19:16 Krock oh mah gawd
19:16 garfonzo What?
19:16 Krock splitsplat
19:17 VanessaE Krock: dammit, it's splat split! :)
19:17 PenguinDad Krock: *splatsplit
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19:17 Krock VanessaE, nope nope nope nope
19:17 Krock PenguinDad  ^
19:17 VanessaE see?  now you're outvoted ;)
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19:18 Krock I count as 3 people cuz.. uhm.. just so. because I do.
19:18 garfonzo So do you folks all play Minetest regularly? Do you play on servers or run servers with Minetest?
19:18 * Krock runs a server and ruins testing servers
19:18 garfonzo lol -- not sure if that's a spelling mistake, or inentional. You RUIN test servers, or run them?
19:18 VanessaE I am a modder, very small contributions to core, and I run several servers.
19:19 VanessaE and I drive people crazy here.
19:19 garfonzo Haha, right on
19:19 Krock garfonzo, you can catch it both ways, without the 'i' and with.. both will be correct
19:19 garfonzo lol
19:20 garfonzo Any idea how big the player base is for Minetest? Are there quite a large community, or is it still in its infancy?
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19:20 Krock Forums say: Total members 10703
19:20 VanessaE garfonzo: somewhere in the low to mid thousands, I would guess
19:20 VanessaE (active players that is)
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19:20 VanessaE on the servers on the public list, there are currently 258.
19:20 Krock I guess the daily minetest players to 200
19:20 garfonzo That's decent
19:21 Krock better decent than spammy 24/7
19:21 VanessaE quite
19:21 VanessaE !server test
19:21 MinetestBot VanessaE: just test | 87.110.8.195 | Clients: 60/78, 62/75 | Version: 0.4.10-dev / minetest | Ping: 48ms
19:21 garfonzo ya, true
19:21 VanessaE O_o
19:22 VanessaE o-O
19:22 VanessaE wtf is he doing that so many like?
19:22 Krock VanessaE, you just called a ruined server. many guests.
19:22 VanessaE the map is all stone!
19:22 garfonzo sweet, do I need anything special to hop on that server VanessaE? Or can I just fire up the client and join?
19:22 VanessaE garfonzo: I guess just...join
19:22 VanessaE I've only seen a screenshot of it like, once
19:22 VanessaE try mine instead :)
19:23 VanessaE !server Vanilla
19:23 MinetestBot VanessaE: VanessaE's mostly-vanilla minetest_game server | digitalaudioconcepts.com:30005 | Clients: 0/50, 0/3 | Version: 0.4.10-dev / minetest_game | Ping: 224ms
19:23 T4im hmm, any idea of how many daily unique players?
19:23 Jordach mtzeno.com is way better
19:23 Jordach </shameless_plug>
19:23 * T4im wonders if anyone is logging/analyzing playerflow
19:23 Krock !server Krock
19:23 MinetestBot Krock: Krock's Ultimative Platform | minetest.ntdll.net | Clients: 5/25, 5/13 | Version: 0.4.10-dev_MSVC / base | Ping: 387ms
19:23 VanessaE T4im:  http://digitalaudioconcepts.com/va​nessa/hobbies/minetest/stats.html
19:23 Krock ^ best non-24/7 server evaah
19:23 T4im oh, thanks :D
19:23 VanessaE you mean like that?
19:24 T4im yes
19:24 VanessaE that's just my servers though
19:24 T4im ah, wait.. thats just number of players
19:24 T4im meant something like this: http://tremulous.net/graphs/
19:24 T4im last chart
19:25 garfonzo VanessaE: It says I need a password?
19:25 T4im gives a really good look on the lifetime of the community of an open source game
19:25 VanessaE garfonzo: make one up and remember it
19:25 RealBadAngel https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=​iW5KRHXEUt4&amp;feature=youtu.be
19:25 T4im seeing where in that lifetime minetest might be right now
19:25 garfonzo done deal...
19:25 Krock garfonzo, each server has its password and user list
19:26 VanessaE RealBadAngel: slow it down and make it less dark at the darkest moments.  Looks good otherwise
19:26 Krock means, you have have X diffrent names (where X is the number of servers)
19:26 VanessaE (at least, in the daytime it gets too dark)
19:28 VanessaE T4im: never really occurred to me to track unique users.  difficult.
19:28 T4im well, you can make some assumptions based on nickname.. sure thats not 100% accurate, but it might come close
19:28 garfonzo Krock: Interesting, so you can multiple characters, one for each server
19:29 * PenguinDad throws Unvanquished at T4im
19:29 Krock garfonzo, on some servers you can have infinite usernames...
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19:29 Krock shouldn't be a suggestion.
19:29 * T4im throws it back at PenguinDad
19:29 * PenguinDad plays it
19:29 * T4im was developer in it
19:30 RealBadAngel VanessaE, it has to go that dark, otherwise it would be almost invisible on bright textures
19:31 T4im PenguinDad: did they finally settle on a gameplay concept by now?
19:34 PenguinDad Gameplay concept?
19:35 VanessaE RealBadAngel: ok
19:36 T4im well.. in the beginning it was basicly the tremulous concept, but there was always the wish for a own gameconcept... noone really had one that was thought thorugh, but it was still developed blindly towards 'something'
19:37 T4im and the main reason, that i left there at some point
19:38 VanessaE now a days there are multiple subgames
19:39 VanessaE each with its own goals
19:40 PenguinDad T4im: I have no idea if they developed a gameplay concept till now :/
19:42 T4im hm
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19:45 T4im well currently theres noone playing it on the servers.. while minetest might have a relativly small community, it's considerably more healthy
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19:46 T4im which is a good thing \o/
19:48 raffahacks Small communities are ALWAYS better than big ones
19:48 raffahacks Quite small i mean
19:49 raffahacks For example this community is much more friendly than minecraft one
19:50 * Krock doesn't know MCommunity
19:51 garfonzo @raffahacks I think it depends on the server
19:51 raffahacks I mean there are lots of stupid unfriendly gamers if the community is too big... And they dominate the scene
19:52 T4im heared that a lot about minecraft.. but i cant say that its always the case
19:52 garfonzo meh, I' not sure about that. With good moderators, a large community can be a great experience
19:52 garfonzo T4im: agreed
19:53 raffahacks In Italy we say "a few, but wise, people"
19:53 garfonzo it certainly CAN be the case, but not always
19:53 raffahacks Well, I like minecraft too, but it's too low level
19:54 garfonzo raffahacks: what do you mean too low level?
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19:54 T4im though there seems to be a correlation between size of community with the game concept.. i mean minetest might not have a finished polished game concept, but a good base that also allows servers to provide their own... that's worth a lot..
19:56 raffahacks Nothing special, I just find minetest community much better because it's made of coders, geeks in positive sense and adults
19:56 raffahacks With adults i mean more evoluted people
19:56 garfonzo ya those are good attributes in a community
19:57 raffahacks I am for example 15, but i don't like talking with friends of my age much
19:58 raffahacks Many of my friends are over 40 electronics or computer experts
19:59 raffahacks It's much easier and useful to talk with them :)
20:00 garfonzo Is there a "Mission Statement" somewhere on website for Minetest? I'm curious what the goal of the project is.
20:01 raffahacks Maybe just to build an indie mc clone :p
20:01 Krock garfonzo, other question: what's the target of MC?
20:01 VanessaE garfonzo: yes, one moment.
20:01 Krock (except of earning money)
20:01 VanessaE garfonzo:  https://forum.minetest.net/v​iewtopic.php?f=7&amp;t=9177
20:02 garfonzo Krock: that's a good point. Really, it's quite open ended
20:02 VanessaE garfonzo: read the c55.me link contained in that post, first, then read that post.
20:02 raffahacks Krock: creating an infiniminer clone to become rich
20:02 raffahacks Must go bye :)
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20:03 * PenguinDad hugs Wikipedia
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20:06 garfonzo VanessaE: Thanks for the links, reading them now
20:06 * T4im too, thanks
20:08 Krock I love goal #3
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