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00:35 Zardoz555 cheer, you are here?
00:37 jojoa1997|PC wow so many leave messages
00:37 Zardoz555 Vazon , youare online?
00:41 Zardoz555 Miner_48er
00:42 Miner_48er Zardoz555?
00:42 VanessaE Zardoz555: what is it you need?
00:42 VanessaE it is not polite to ask for multiple people over and over.
00:43 Zardoz555 want to as you if you are German,just say yes or no
00:44 VanessaE I am not.
00:45 jordan4ibanez Just admit it.
00:46 VanessaE (I am of German ancestry but I suppose that does not count)
00:47 Miner_48er Zardoz555 no
00:47 Zardoz555 can I speek to yo in German, English is not my first language
00:48 Zardoz555 Miner_48er, where you come from ?
00:49 Miner_48er USA
00:49 Zardoz555 latin based?
00:50 Zardoz555 I am in the near of Motreal, where are you, may I ask?
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01:02 twoelk Zardoz555: there is a german channel at #minetest-de but that is pretty quite so late at night
01:08 Zardoz555 tank you,I  know, but I like this server,because wat is is !!! maybe in future Vzon will know...
01:12 Zardoz555 respect Vazon,he is Owner of this Server,you likeit or not, deal with it, good luck... ...
01:12 twoelk das hab ich jetzt nicht so ganz verstanden
01:12 VanessaE Zardoz555: Vazon does not own this channel.
01:13 twoelk is auch schon etwas spaet
01:13 Zardoz555 sorry, my bad Enghlish !!!
01:16 Cylus Why do bones disappear when you try to dig them? Didn't it used to be possible to build out of them?
01:16 twoelk depends on settings
01:17 Cylus What settings to you enable/disable to be able to dig up bones?
01:17 Zardoz555 bones are disabled, hope I can help you !
01:17 twoelk some servers are still littered with bones
01:17 VanessaE deleted from my servers and my game, with extreme prejudice.
01:18 Cylus They're cool for building tombs, even though the item loss is a pain in the butt.
01:18 Zardoz555 forget, you lose, when you are die, get over with, we all do :)
01:18 twoelk -just_test- server uses bones to gain dirt
01:19 VanessaE because the whole damn map is stone, yes?
01:19 twoelk yep
01:20 Zardoz555 hi, Vanessa E, have a goog day here
01:21 RealBadAngel whats goog?
01:21 Zardoz555 and no, the map is not all stone, lol
01:21 twoelk I think leaves should also produce dirt. that could be better then having to collect dead players :-P
01:22 twoelk http://87.110.8.195/minetest/ <- an older map of just-test
01:23 Zardoz555 Vazon, VanessaE is here, wake up !!!
01:25 Miner_48er Zardoz555 lets move to #minerealms-chat also Vazon isn't here
01:25 Zardoz555 RealBad Angle, you make worrk technicks, great job!
01:27 Zardoz555 Miner_48er, wHat do you mean?
01:27 VanessaE greetz, RealBadAngel.
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01:27 VanessaE RealBadAngel: https://github.com/VanessaE/homedecor_​modpack/pull/66#issuecomment-54523991
01:28 Zardoz555 miner_48er, chpld  I go?
01:29 Zardoz555 *should I go?
01:29 twoelk maybe a green-touch should be added to this https://forum.minetest.net/v​iewtopic.php?f=9&amp;t=9767 so grass could grow in my steps
01:32 RealBadAngel VanessaE, all the custom drawtype are using different light calculations, inner light for the given pos
01:33 RealBadAngel this is meant to be used for non full cube nodes
01:33 RealBadAngel whatever is same sized as full cube will look different
01:33 twoelk might have to put on a green faerie skin for that green-touch
01:34 twoelk hasch mich, ich bin der fruehling
01:36 VanessaE RealBadAngel: can it be fixed?  seems to me that plantlike and torchlike (for floor or ceiling, specifically) should get exactly the average of the EW and NS face lighting
01:37 VanessaE of course your new hardware lighting code I guess will fix all of that crap
01:43 VanessaE RealBadAngel: btw, you nearly gave jojoa1997 a heart attack :)
01:43 VanessaE (showed him that screenshot with the three colored lights)
01:50 Cylus It seems protection doesn't stop one from making bones in someone else's area disappear either.
01:50 Cylus And bookshelves now act like half-chests that can only hold books? What even is the point of a chest that only can store one type of item?
01:52 Cylus I must say, I'm quite confused about the changes that have been made in the past while.
01:52 twoelk Cylus: such a chest might be usefull for sorting?
01:53 Cylus twoelk: A regular chest can hold only books if that's all you put in it though. Plus it will hold twice as many.
01:54 Cylus Books aren't even any good, except for making bookshelves, so there's no reason to massively store them and only them either.
01:54 twoelk many furniture pieces act like chests, that is you can put stuff inside
01:55 twoelk books might be readable
01:55 Cylus Can't you store whatever you like in them though?
01:55 Cylus Books are readable now?
01:56 twoelk hmm maybe I should clean up the fridge? :-P
01:57 twoelk might as in there was some mod somewhere
02:13 gentoobro books could be used in some sort of magic or alchemy mod....
02:14 gentoobro books could aslo be used by a mapping mod to transfer maps of explored areas between players
02:15 twoelk https://forum.minetest.net/v​iewtopic.php?f=9&amp;t=5709 has writable books
02:15 twoelk also adventuretest and the wikimod make use of bookshelves
02:16 twoelk Riventest has linkingbooks
02:16 gentoobro perhaps books could be made to have small stack counts by defaul and only bookshelves could hold larger stacks
02:29 RealBadAngel linking books are from mc mod that allows to create custom world
02:29 RealBadAngel *worlds
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02:29 RealBadAngel and travel there
02:30 RealBadAngel that idea was quite nice, you could create world with enormous ammount of resources but at the cost of high entropy
02:31 RealBadAngel so you had to be fast when digging because the world around you were collapsing
02:32 RealBadAngel also in server enviroment the mod was extremely nice
02:32 RealBadAngel because each player could have own homeland
02:33 RealBadAngel direwolf20 made some excellent gameplay vids on that
02:34 twoelk sounds like lots of traps for la
02:34 twoelk *lag
02:36 RealBadAngel https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A9bZeGi2ndM
02:37 RealBadAngel mod is in general custom mapgen
02:38 VanessaE well is he gonna do something besides look around the room?
02:38 RealBadAngel he will
02:38 VanessaE oh, amazing.  he used the crafting table.
02:38 RealBadAngel hes really good at explainin the mods
02:39 VanessaE I watch videos with the sound off usually.
02:39 RealBadAngel hes talking guy actually lol
02:40 VanessaE I see what you mean by collapsing worlds.
02:40 VanessaE that terrain would kill minetest btw
02:40 VanessaE all that flowing/falling water
02:40 VanessaE nothing about it that minetest can't do easily with one of paramat's mods e.g. floatlands or so
02:41 VanessaE just the engine can't handle that much flowing/falling water or falling nodes without having a heart attack
02:42 RealBadAngel if mc can, we can also
02:43 VanessaE we never will until someone is willing to give that code a full enema.
02:43 RealBadAngel but first, we should think on how to handle parallel worlds
02:45 twoelk second database?
02:45 RealBadAngel reduce the size of the single world maybe
02:45 RealBadAngel so db can handle many of them
02:46 VanessaE the size of the world is not an issue.
02:46 VanessaE the issue is Lua being used where C++ should have been used, and also lack of parallelization of Lua, to a lesser degree
02:46 twoelk all the players going yay at seeing the vidio now go nononono we want infinity not reduction
02:47 RealBadAngel who the fuck needs +31k in the air
02:47 VanessaE we need the server to split up the task of handing the map into smaller bites so that it can chew a little here, chew a little there...
02:47 VanessaE what I'm doing at 100,100,100 should NOT affect the person up at 5000,5000,5000!
02:47 RealBadAngel propably only those ones with small dicks :P
02:48 RealBadAngel split it into layers
02:48 twoelk multithreaded map access :-o
02:48 VanessaE (at least not to the degree that it does now)
02:48 VanessaE but that's not the real problem here
02:48 VanessaE THAT mod described in that video is easy.
02:48 VanessaE paramat already did it.
02:48 VanessaE floatlands.
02:48 VanessaE the problem is all that water and those falling nodes.
02:49 RealBadAngel you dont get the point of the mod
02:49 VanessaE that shit is about as broken as it gets in minetest.
02:49 VanessaE RealBadAngel: sure I do - but I'm saying we can already generate terrain on demand
02:49 RealBadAngel main point is in multplayer
02:49 VanessaE you're wanting per-player client-side terrain?
02:49 RealBadAngel they can play on different worlds and travel between them
02:49 RealBadAngel on a single server
02:50 VanessaE that's a a different task and much harder to do.
02:50 RealBadAngel so one can say, hey come to me, to my world
02:50 twoelk oh dear, personal worlds beside the public world, cluttering up the server
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02:50 RealBadAngel "i just created amazing world"
02:51 RealBadAngel and so
02:51 VanessaE RealBadAngel: I think it would be better to interlink worlds together at the server level, and have the client jump to the other server, including having the client ITSELF server up the world
02:51 RealBadAngel in his gameplays theres a series bout it, when modders create a hub world
02:51 VanessaE e.g. the client launches a one-time server process and announces it for the duration of the session
02:51 RealBadAngel with gates to their personal worlds
02:51 VanessaE THAT would be much easier to do
02:51 RealBadAngel where they play with their mods
02:52 VanessaE those personal worlds would be stored on the clients' PCs.
02:52 VanessaE and those clients' local servers would be running their own mods too :)
02:52 twoelk eh? security alert?
02:53 VanessaE twoelk:  nonono, I'm talking servers here, same as if you just disconnected from the current server and picked a new one from the list
02:53 VanessaE only you wouldn't have to do that, you'd just use a portal to get the same effec
02:53 VanessaE +t
02:54 twoelk and so this discussion links to the many before on travelling between worlds
02:54 RealBadAngel i was talkin about portals idea months ago
02:54 VanessaE you know how you can launch a server from the minetest 'client' by going to the Server tab?  same thing.  the client could announce to the "main" server, "hey, I have a secondary over here, users can go through the portal at 123,456,789 to get here."
02:54 RealBadAngel to link the servers in game
02:54 VanessaE RealBadAngel: exactly.  I'm suggesting that we implement your idea.
02:54 VanessaE and ^^^^ this is how it should work.
02:55 RealBadAngel i already gave it a name
02:55 VanessaE least amount of effort, greatest amount of effect, and no changes need be made to the map etc.
02:55 RealBadAngel world of minetest
02:55 RealBadAngel all the servers connected together
02:55 VanessaE mmm
02:55 VanessaE that seems a bit generic.
02:55 RealBadAngel when joined one, you can visit all of them
02:56 RealBadAngel just travel ingame
02:56 VanessaE I like this idea.
02:56 VanessaE only let's not do those silly linking books or whatever they're called in MC
02:57 VanessaE let's do something better
02:57 RealBadAngel some will allow you to travel with stuff, some wont
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02:57 RealBadAngel some will be friendly, some not
02:57 RealBadAngel as the universe
02:58 VanessaE that would be hard to do, since many servers vary greatly in what they have available
02:58 RealBadAngel but in some cases could be done
02:58 VanessaE yes
02:59 RealBadAngel so you could have servers just for mining
02:59 RealBadAngel digging paradises ;)
02:59 VanessaE heh
02:59 VanessaE well first we need to come up with a graceful way to make it work
03:00 VanessaE but before that, there are more pressing matters to deal with :)
03:00 VanessaE *cough* lighting *cough*
03:00 RealBadAngel stargates were meant to serve as the travel gates
03:00 VanessaE *cough* nodebox vertexes *cough*
03:00 VanessaE we can't use the stargates.
03:00 VanessaE those images are copyrighted by MGM
03:00 RealBadAngel why not?
03:01 VanessaE they'll kick your ass from here to Canarsie.
03:01 RealBadAngel lol
03:01 twoelk mc has a pretty impresive stargate mod
03:01 RealBadAngel we dont?
03:01 RealBadAngel :P
03:01 twoelk with moving parts and event horizon
03:01 jojoa1997 RealBadAngel good work on the colored lights :D
03:02 VanessaE RealBadAngel: we can come up with better stuff that doesn't depend on imagery that some film company already made.
03:02 RealBadAngel jojoa1997, thats not my work, thats irrlicht
03:02 VanessaE jojoa1997: seen the cobwebs I did for homedecor today? :)
03:02 jojoa1997 Actually I did
03:02 RealBadAngel VanessaE, we can use another images just
03:03 VanessaE RealBadAngel: yeah, any other image will do, but we need a better model too
03:03 VanessaE a flat stargate is too plain.
03:03 jojoa1997 Reviewing for chemisty is hard, RBA adn VanessaE what are you talking about?
03:03 VanessaE s/stargate/teleporter/
03:03 RealBadAngel but the gates themselves are imho a masterpiece
03:03 VanessaE jojoa1997: in-game server interlinking
03:03 jojoa1997 about time
03:03 RealBadAngel far better than travel network mod
03:03 VanessaE jojoa1997: enter a portal and you "travel" to another server, like MC's linking books
03:04 jojoa1997 VanessaE I have run my own MC server before ;)
03:04 VanessaE jojoa1997: just being complete.
03:04 jojoa1997 also wasnt this discussed before VanessaE made the survival server
03:04 jojoa1997 I know
03:04 VanessaE jojoa1997: yes, something similar was discussed a while back but no one was able to code it.
03:05 VanessaE RealBadAngel: yes, the gates are a masterpiece, but for this purpose we need something WAY better
03:05 jojoa1997 Yeah I believe it has to be through the C++ right?
03:05 RealBadAngel yes
03:05 VanessaE jojoa1997: yeah
03:05 RealBadAngel just skip the menu
03:05 RealBadAngel and allow rejoin via lua
03:05 RealBadAngel all the needed code is here
03:06 jojoa1997 umm
03:06 RealBadAngel just skip some parts between needed steps
03:06 jojoa1997 [23:04:54] <VanessaE> RealBadAngel: yes, the gates are a masterpiece, but for this purpose we need something WAY better
03:06 jojoa1997 Do you mean the look of it?
03:06 RealBadAngel no i mean how they work
03:06 VanessaE jojoa1997: the imagery in part, but I mean the models too.
03:07 RealBadAngel the look is secondary
03:07 VanessaE jojoa1997, RealBadAngel:  a 2D wafer-thin portal does not look good in practice.  it looks unfinished.
03:07 RealBadAngel oh cmon, at least they are animated ;)
03:07 VanessaE look is EVERYTHING.
03:07 jojoa1997 What about a 3x3x3 cube with a waverying blob in the center?
03:08 VanessaE remember, you're dealing with the average Joe Sixpack/Plain Jane here.
03:08 RealBadAngel show me the node that is 3x3 and animated
03:08 RealBadAngel theres nothing like stargate around
03:08 jojoa1997 sure thing RealBadAngel
03:08 VanessaE RealBadAngel: 3x2, Plasma screen.  done by me.
03:08 VanessaE the images just animate slower.
03:08 VanessaE and it's a node box.
03:08 RealBadAngel ha! 3x3 i said :)
03:08 jojoa1997 Wait will it be a nodebox or a blender model
03:08 RealBadAngel and it is not round :P
03:09 RealBadAngel stargate had to be round thingy :)
03:09 VanessaE jojoa1997: a nodebox is sufficient for this.
03:09 jojoa1997 RealBadAngel I made a 4*5*2.5 nodebox with animated textures
03:09 jojoa1997 worst "Big Mama Chime Bowl" ever
03:09 RealBadAngel just jokin
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03:09 jojoa1997 um
03:09 VanessaE a model is better but we don't have mesh nodes yet.
03:10 jojoa1997 hmm
03:10 VanessaE Vazon: Zardoz555 was looking for you earlier.
03:10 jojoa1997 let me make that special node
03:10 jojoa1997 nvm I need to study for chem
03:10 Vazon Thanks, i was working
03:11 VanessaE anyways, this is all stuff for later.  there are more important things that need done first imho :)
03:12 jojoa1997 like what
03:12 VanessaE jojoa1997: see above
03:12 jojoa1997 BTW I am finally learning higher level than Lua coding! Python
03:12 VanessaE there are lots of engine and client improvements that need done first that are simply more important.
03:12 jojoa1997 VanessaE above where?
03:13 VanessaE stuff to return the client to a playable condition for those situations where it ceases to be (read: on my Survival server where FPS really suffers now for no good reason)
03:13 jojoa1997 I think drag and click would be an awesome thing to add...
03:13 VanessaE stuff where the engine just plain falls over for no good reason.
03:13 VanessaE etc.
03:18 jojoa1997 what about a 2 tall pole with square circles around it
03:18 jojoa1997 anways afk for a bit
03:19 VanessaE I could see something there.
03:20 VanessaE two poles as described above, set 1 meter apart, with some kind of electrical "sparks" between them
03:20 VanessaE step through and you're teleported to wherever.
03:21 VanessaE I could model, texture, and deliver the nodes and code for that in a very short time, provided there were an API call to send the player to the destination.
03:22 twoelk can the client access information not served by the server while connected to a server?
03:22 VanessaE twoelk: I think through cURL it can
03:22 twoelk for example can it access the serverlist from ingame?
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03:22 VanessaE there's some rudimentary function for that, or through Luasocket.
03:22 VanessaE for the server list itself, I'm not sure
03:23 VanessaE but you could probably download/parse it manually
03:23 twoelk it would need an address/favorites list of some sort
03:23 VanessaE hrm, I'm wrong
03:23 VanessaE there is not an API call for that
03:23 VanessaE but I know there's a pull request for it here somewhere...
03:23 twoelk no address no place to connect to
03:25 VanessaE hrm, there WAS a pull request.
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03:27 VanessaE I can't find it now. huh.
03:28 VanessaE wait
03:28 VanessaE https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/490
03:28 VanessaE there it was.
03:28 VanessaE closed by c55 as too risky somehow :-/
03:28 VanessaE (and too old)
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03:32 VanessaE hm.  forum isn't answering.
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04:50 VanessaE oops.
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06:10 blaise hrmm
06:11 blaise can we use mesecons to switch the rails on the carts mod ?
06:11 blaise to route rail traffic?
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07:08 raffahacks I didn't
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08:43 JamesTait Good morning all; happy Friday, and happy Bring Your Manners To Work Day! :-D
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08:56 john_minetest hi
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09:21 TriBlade9 Hello, I have a bit of a strange problem that I'd like help with
09:21 TriBlade9 Where strange = nonconventional
09:24 TriBlade9 I need help registering on the forums, as I live in China, and everything Google is currently blocked, including the ReCaptcha
09:24 TriBlade9 I simply want to reply to MicreaKitsune's post about MT vs MC, as I've noticed a few things that no one else has mentioned yet. I also want to make a mod or two eventually.
09:26 john_minetest I don't think that it's possible to turn off the captchas. I am not sure if there are any legal ways to go around blocks in china, maybe just ask somebody to make an account for you and post the things for you that you want to have posted v0v.
09:27 casimir I recommend going to #minetest-dev and asking there. The mods of the forum are mostly devs too.
09:27 TriBlade9 Simplest way
09:28 TriBlade9 Someone register's for me?
09:28 TriBlade9 And then I verify email and change password?
09:28 TriBlade9 Is anyone willing to do that?
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09:30 TriBlade9 Hello blaze and Weedy :)
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09:33 casimir What username and e-mail do you want? Then I would try to do that.
09:34 TriBlade9 casimir, thank you. Username: TriBlade9, e-mail, triblade9@mail.com
09:34 TriBlade9 (My gmail is currently blocked, big pain)
09:34 TriBlade9 GitHub: TriBlade9, In-game: TriBlade9, IRC: TriBlade9 x]
09:34 TriBlade9 And yes, my GitHub is valid
09:35 SylvieLorxu Tor could probably help you use your blocked services, but it should be noted that you'd use it at your own risk (and the download would probably be blocked as well)
09:35 TriBlade9 Tor is blocked totally
09:35 TriBlade9 Tried
09:35 TriBlade9 My VPN got blocked two months ago
09:35 SylvieLorxu Ugh, seems we need more unlisted exit nodes
09:35 TriBlade9 Aaand a proxy can't load the Js required for a captcha >_>
09:35 casimir You should get an e-mail now.
09:35 TriBlade9 Thanks a heap
09:36 TriBlade9 I'm American btw
09:36 TriBlade9 Working here in Shanghai
09:36 blaze hello TriBlade9
09:36 TriBlade9 Hello blaze :)
09:36 TriBlade9 casimir, mind msg'ing me the password?
09:39 TriBlade9 Thanks :D
09:50 TriBlade9 See y'all later
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09:50 TriBlade9 Imma go eat something
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10:53 Megaf That’s really weird, my server wont ping, wont login, wont ssh but its http server still working
10:53 Megaf !server Megaf
10:53 MinetestBot Megaf: No results
10:53 Megaf !up minetest.megaf.info 30003
10:53 MinetestBot minetest.megaf.info:30003 is up (561ms)
10:56 Megaf well, it seems like it is back
11:04 T4im i've seen such behavior with virtual machines before.. you even could login to the host, but the guest was basicly frozen with most services, while others kept running.. for some time anyway...
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11:40 Jordach this doesn't look good; Irrlicht log: PNG warning: Malformed iTXt chunk
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12:16 Megaf !server Megaf
12:16 MinetestBot Megaf: Megaf Server v4.0 | minetest.megaf.info:30003 | Clients: 7/20, 4/7 | Version: 0.4.10-Megaf / MegafXplore | Ping: 266ms
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12:54 VanessaE good morning.
12:55 Megaf Morning Vanessa
13:02 VanessaE hi
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14:27 Jordach ...https://cdn.mediacru.sh/Az3ZygRgPI5H.png
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14:32 RealBadAngel jordach i can make nicer screenshots in mt
14:32 Jordach RealBadAngel, 1) i've not finished it
14:32 Jordach 2) it will have animated crap
14:32 Jordach 3) it's a rendering test to see of DX can beat raytracing
14:38 PenguinDad eeew unity
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14:42 sfan5 !tell iqualfragile ಠ_ಠ
14:42 MinetestBot sfan5: yeah, sure, whatever
14:48 jp https://cdn.mediacru.sh/JhqZSdVTr81s.png
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16:22 Jordach casimir, nobody scans QR codes anymore
16:24 casimir Oh, that is surprisingly new to me.
16:24 Jordach casimir, someone had a QR code with a message attached
16:25 Jordach https://cdn.mediacru.sh/cTgbCIRlt7pu.png
16:25 Jordach ^ clearly your name on it
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16:26 Jordach Calinou, bug with maptools
16:26 Jordach digging diggable ignore should not occur with admin picks
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16:27 Jordach jp, that corner block makes my FPS feel like 0 again
16:28 jp you will be surprised, Jordach ;)
16:28 Jordach unless it's a hollow inside :3
16:28 jp top secret
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16:35 PenguinDad jp: looks like torchlike drawtype
16:35 PenguinDad + the
16:36 VanessaE Calinou: *poke*
16:36 Jordach https://cdn.mediacru.sh/PexHt1bTHJNS.png
16:36 Jordach :3
16:40 VanessaE Calinou, Jordach:  http://digitalaudioconcepts.com/vanessa/h​obbies/minetest/screenshots/Screenshot%20​-%2009052014%20-%2012%3a15%3a05%20PM.png
16:40 VanessaE https://github.com/VanessaE/angled_walls
16:40 VanessaE a stripped down version of the code I created for the cobwebs in homedecor.
16:41 zat http://untappedcities.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/​04/Cat-Cafe_Kyoto_NYC_Untapped-Cities_Dana-Ter.jpg
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16:42 Krock hi.
16:43 VanessaE (with a few more checks on placement, and use of special_tiles, I could get rid of the mirrored textures, too.  just too lazy right now :P )
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17:01 Calinou VanessaE, heavy abuse of nodeboxes?
17:01 VanessaE Calinou: torchlike drawtype
17:02 VanessaE so exactly two polys per each node. like it was meant to be.
17:02 VanessaE (well it's two polys if torchlike was coded properly in the engine anyway)
17:02 VanessaE take a look at the code
17:02 Calinou it glows in the dark
17:02 VanessaE I figured you could use this in the circular saw as another item people could use.
17:03 VanessaE it doesn't "glow" so much as it uses no smooth lighting.  bug in the client's rendering pipeline.
17:03 Calinou makes no sense… fully flat, buggy, etc
17:03 VanessaE did you download the code to try it? :)
17:03 Calinou it's fully flat and very error-prone
17:03 VanessaE without your modified lighting table :)
17:05 VanessaE error prone, how?
17:05 VanessaE buggy how?
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17:10 jp I search the constructive argument for 'fully flat'...
17:11 Calinou something solid-looking that is fully flat? no thanks.
17:11 Calinou what about collision?
17:11 Calinou walkable makes no sense, non-walkable doesn't either.
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17:12 VanessaE well, don't thin (1/16) slabs fit that same description? :)
17:12 VanessaE besides, this is for angled walls, hence the name
17:12 VanessaE you're not supposed to be able to see that they're hollow :P
17:13 jp +1
17:13 VanessaE as for the collision box, blame the engine devs, I can't fix that.
17:15 * Jordach waits for the inevitable ecutruin mocking the API
17:16 ecutruin I was summoned to mock something?
17:16 Jordach you mock the engine in places where it's incapable
17:16 ecutruin I do.. whats new that I need to mock though?
17:17 Jordach [18:13:14] <VanessaE> as for the collision box, blame the engine devs, I can't fix that.
17:17 * ecutruin snickers.
17:17 ecutruin V did it for me! XD
17:17 * PenguinDad mars.
17:17 * VanessaE butterfingers.
17:18 Jordach wat
17:18 * Jordach wonders why new lines in textfield large doesn't create newlines on signs
17:18 Jordach and yet | still works
17:18 VanessaE dig/replace the sign
17:18 Jordach signs_lib is borked
17:19 VanessaE and next time, read the forum.
17:19 Jordach infotext displays | and doesn't hide them
17:19 VanessaE https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.ph​p?f=11&amp;t=2041&amp;start=350#p148642
17:20 Jordach VanessaE, it's ignoring newlines
17:20 Jordach add four new lines then type something
17:20 Jordach ignored both ways including infotext
17:20 VanessaE <space><newline>
17:21 Jordach lazy ass programmer
17:21 Jordach actually make it work as someone expects it
17:21 VanessaE an empty newline is ignored, blame kaeza.
17:22 VanessaE and next time read the craft guide.
17:22 VanessaE it's mentioned on there that you need a space.
17:22 VanessaE "If you need a blank line, write a single space, then press enter (e.g. a space on a line by itself)."
17:23 VanessaE (I hate having to say RTFM...  but RTFM. :) )
17:25 VanessaE (that empty lines are ignored and word wrap doesn't work are still bugs, and kaeza needs to fix them)
17:32 * sfan5 purrs at Jordach
17:33 Jordach whip his ass then
17:33 Jordach (Devo - Whip It)(
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17:35 rubenwardy Hi all!
17:38 rubenwardy !c random.choice(["Hi all!", "Hello Guys!", "Greetings."])
17:38 MinetestBot 'Hello Guys!'
17:39 PenguinDad !c random.choice(['Meow!', 'Rawr!'])
17:39 MinetestBot 'Meow!'
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17:40 sfan5 !cat
17:40 MinetestBot http://i.imgur.com/kA8l8oP.jpg
17:40 Calinou VanessaE, I noticed, why do you use Comic Sans as your window title font?
17:40 rubenwardy !cat
17:40 MinetestBot http://i.imgur.com/YMm7Tgl.jpg
17:40 rubenwardy Awesome
17:40 Calinou <VanessaE> as for the collision box, blame the engine devs, I can't fix that.
17:40 Calinou I don't like making mods where I have to blame engine devs
17:47 * ecutruin blames the engine devs all the time. ^-^;
17:47 Zardoz555 hi Blaise, Iam on your server, you need people there?
17:49 Zardoz555 blaise
17:53 Krock MEOW
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18:02 * sfan5 meows at ecutruin
18:02 sfan5 !cat
18:02 MinetestBot http://i.imgur.com/NKWGj9s.jpg
18:03 ecutruin Cute.
18:03 sfan5 here's more:
18:03 sfan5 !cat
18:03 MinetestBot http://i.imgur.com/q4RPFjJ.jpg
18:03 Krock 2 diffrent eye colors?
18:04 PenguinDad Krock: that's quite common
18:04 sfan5 !cat
18:04 MinetestBot http://i.imgur.com/NKWGj9s.jpg
18:04 Krock PenguinDad, I've seen many kittens but they all had the same color in both eyes
18:04 sfan5 !cat
18:04 MinetestBot http://i.imgur.com/8UvDsPc.jpg
18:05 Krock sfan5, ##minetestbot please
18:05 sfan5 lol
18:05 Krock :P
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18:37 luizrpgluiz hi
18:37 Krock ih
18:37 Megaf Hi everyone
18:37 Megaf Good evening
18:38 Krock hi
18:39 VanessaE hi
18:40 sfan5 !cat
18:40 MinetestBot http://i.imgur.com/gfPVdsc.jpg
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18:54 Krock !doge
18:54 MinetestBot http://i.imgur.com/uI51MQy.png
18:54 VanessaE panda: http://www.brafton.com/wp-content/uploads/2012​/11/shutterstock_109115501-e1354289583134.jpg
18:55 VanessaE (pokes at sfan5 to code a suitable !pnd keyword :) )
18:55 * sfan5 pokes VanessaE for a suitable list of panda pics
18:56 VanessaE google image search :P
18:57 PilzAdam > google
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18:58 hisforever How do I make a kitchen cabinet?
18:59 Krock kitten cabinet
19:00 john_minetest KITTENS!
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19:01 PenguinDad egod!
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19:02 sfan5 !doge
19:02 MinetestBot DOGE is at 0.00000034 BTC
19:02 sfan5 !doge
19:02 MinetestBot DOGE is at 0.00000034 BTC
19:02 sfan5 !doge
19:02 MinetestBot http://i.imgur.com/2MmvpGR.jpg
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19:12 Megaf What is this doge thing?
19:13 VanessaE it's a cryptocurrency
19:14 VanessaE Mint: Buy @ 0.00000220/LTC ($0.00001091) - Sell @ 0.00000194/LTC ($0.00000952) | Buy @ 0.00000003/BTC ($0.00001448) - Sell @ 0.00000002/BTC ($0.00000965)
19:15 * Krock added an search-by-author feature to his mod search
19:15 VanessaE (last price I saw for PND on that channel, about half an hour ago)
19:15 VanessaE Krock: sounds useful.
19:16 Krock VanessaE, you have 13 mods which start with [Mod]
19:16 Krock (in title)
19:16 * sfan5 curls up to Krock's lap
19:16 Krock 2 modpacks, 2 mods in modding general
19:16 VanessaE Krock: plus one I haven't put on the forum yet, https://github.com/VanessaE/angled_walls
19:17 Krock *reads*
19:17 VanessaE Krock: it does this:  http://digitalaudioconcepts.com/vanessa/h​obbies/minetest/screenshots/Screenshot%20​-%2009052014%20-%2012%3a15%3a05%20PM.png
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19:17 Krock wow
19:17 VanessaE nothing fancy, just an idea I got from jp, used it in the cobwebs in homedecor, expanded it to a generic mod of its own
19:17 Megaf dat link
19:17 Krock but a 3d node texture is not possible?
19:18 VanessaE it exploits the fact that the engine draws the torchlike draw type always at 45 degree angles.
19:18 twoelk Megaf: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doge_(meme)
19:19 VanessaE you can use the "ceiling" mode to get one direction and the "floor" mode to get the other (half turn 90 degrees) direction.
19:19 * Krock likes his torch feature
19:19 Krock +t
19:19 VanessaE it's nothing new per se, I'm just surprised no one thought to use it this way before.
19:20 Jordach ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
19:21 kahrl VanessaE: I remember a very early mod making angled glass panes in this way
19:21 Jordach that was me
19:21 VanessaE kahrl: yeah, Jordach did something like that but his code didn't auto-place them
19:21 Krock wow. paramat has 48 mods. that's kinda much
19:22 VanessaE Jordach: I remember your mod expressly warned that the user had to point at the wall when placing the glass panes to get them to place correctly :)
19:22 PenguinDad Krock: and nearly all of them are mapgen mods?
19:22 Jordach VanessaE, yup
19:22 VanessaE (which is why I said this isn't new.  just the code is new)
19:22 Krock PenguinDad, some cars too, but most of it are mapgens
19:23 VanessaE Jordach: see also the full version of the code, https://github.com/VanessaE/homedecor_m​odpack/blob/master/homedecor/cobweb.lua which looks like --> http://digitalaudioconcepts.com/vanessa/h​obbies/minetest/screenshots/Screenshot%20​-%2009042014%20-%2005%3a23%3a18%20PM.png
19:24 Jordach sfan5, add to !cat https://i.imgur.com/FS3KVP7.jpg
19:24 john_minetest VanessaE: Can you please grant my second acount, "jmf", rights on your servers? I already logged in on creative and survival iirc.
19:25 john_minetest I am sure that I was on mostly vanilla once.
19:25 VanessaE john_minetest: done, all three.
19:28 sfan5 Jordach: http://git.io/y-E3kA
19:28 sfan5 !title
19:28 MinetestBot sfan5: Wie postet man Bilder vom PC? - Minetest Forums
19:28 sfan5 wat
19:28 sfan5 !title http://git.io/y-E3kA
19:28 MinetestBot sfan5: Increase number of cats available via !cat command by 1 ·  07c7f7b · sfan5/minetestbot-modules · Git[...]
19:32 PenguinDad that cat was hungry :D
19:32 john_minetest VanessaE: thx :)
19:33 Krock lol
19:33 Krock 'how much does the kitten cost?'
19:34 twoelk VanessaE: regarding discussion earlier about linking servers. I think the best way would be by using an inbetween pseudo world. Sort of a walkable mainmenu in disguise
19:35 VanessaE interesting idea.
19:37 twoelk you might remember the ca. one and a half hour discussion here: http://irc.minetest.ru/min​etest/2014-08-25#i_3885760
19:38 VanessaE yep
19:38 VanessaE I remember
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19:43 twoelk in the forum text I link to there, I describe that each world uses it's own way to jump to another server. I now think it might be easier for a linked world to just point to one address
19:44 twoelk a central world populated by the server list
19:45 twoelk maybe a room with stargates or a wood with ponds (as C.S.Lewis uses in the Magicians Nephew)
19:51 twoelk actually the transfer station could be anything that reads the cebtral serverlist and builds a world/room with the according links to the servers. As such the design of the inbetween world could be supplied by a mod in the client, just as a texture is now
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19:58 john_minetest twoelk: The problem is, that nobody knows which of the linked servers is populated and how many people are on all servers together
19:59 VanessaE who cares>
19:59 VanessaE they can always teleport to another server.
20:00 john_minetest Well, imagine if you make such a main menu. First of all, it will be on the last place of the server list all the time. And then you join and you got no clue which server to choose and where it is best to build.
20:01 john_minetest And all in all it might be more useful to seperate a world in a creative part, a survival part etc. and change the rights depending on where you are.
20:01 twoelk Like I said you could supply mods that read the info of the serverlist so the station could like anything you want, including one with blinking lights over the tardis that links to the most used server
20:02 Krock 502 Bad Gateway
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20:04 john_minetest idk...
20:04 twoelk this inbetween world should not be on the serverlist but rather the only destination out of any server using such a linking device
20:05 john_minetest I'd prefer to have icons and sorting in the ingame list and in the online list. And banners for the online list.
20:05 sfan5 !server players:most
20:05 MinetestBot sfan5: just test | 87.110.8.195 | Clients: 33/78, 22/36 | Version: 0.4.10-dev / minetest | Ping: 48ms
20:06 twoelk this is just an idea to overcome some of the issues discussed about linking servers ingame
20:06 twoelk I don't think this should completely replace the mainmenu
20:07 john_minetest I'd prefer to have a nice main menu with sorting etc. instead of ingame server linking.
20:08 twoelk use what suits you best ;-)
20:08 john_minetest kahrl wanted to do the icon thing ages ago. I even made some icons.
20:09 twoelk I usually study the serverlist webpage before I visit a server. I has most of the information I seek. More than mainmenu
20:10 john_minetest Well, but the list is not sortable.
20:10 twoelk true
20:10 john_minetest And I can't easily see if it got creative, for example. I first have to look in the long letter combinations for a "C".
20:10 john_minetest Maybe.
20:10 john_minetest idk, those letters are explained nowhere iirc.
20:11 PenguinDad john_minetest: they are explained in the code :P
20:12 twoelk http://wiki.minetest.net/User:​Twoelk/server_list_experiments <- an older list I experimented with
20:12 john_minetest PenguinDad: Usually I don't read the code of stuff to understand an UI.
20:13 john_minetest I want icons.
20:14 twoelk making everything sortable would result in a pretty wide list
20:15 twoelk maybe automatic icons generated according to ip?
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20:16 acestudios Hi there
20:16 Krock twoelk, the rows Cre until Far would be easier readable if they just would contain an X if the part is enabled
20:16 sfan5 http://sprunge.us/WbND
20:16 sfan5 topkek
20:16 Krock hi acestudios
20:16 acestudios MineTest is a copy of minecraft? yes?
20:16 sfan5 step 1: use proprietary web server and pretend it's secure
20:16 Krock acestudios, go into a dark edge. it's not a copy.
20:16 sfan5 step 2: pretend the anti-hacking stuff actually works
20:16 PenguinDad Krock: ✓ would be even better imo
20:17 sfan5 step 3: be l33t script kiddie!
20:17 Krock PenguinDad, what does this square display on your screen?
20:17 Amaz Jordach, someone has called the minetest player animation "primitive"! https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.p​hp?f=3&amp;t=9172&amp;p=153281#p153281
20:18 acestudios minus the fact its not java the game idea is the same
20:18 Krock what minus?
20:18 acestudios its a copy
20:18 acestudios thats all i give a shit about
20:18 * Krock trout slaps acestudios
20:18 * acestudios loves to catch trout
20:19 Krock <°((((-<
20:19 PenguinDad Amaz: didn't you know that Jordach can't animate?
20:19 Krock fishy.
20:19 Jordach yes and no
20:19 Jordach IK is like yesssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss
20:19 Jordach manual bones.................shudder
20:20 * sfan5 meows at Jordach
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20:24 PenguinDad Krock: get a better os
20:24 Krock orange softdrink?
20:26 * PenguinDad deskheads
20:26 * Krock headdesks PenguinDad
20:27 * john_minetest heskdeads
20:27 * Krock PenguinDads john_minetest
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20:37 jojoa1997 Hello!
20:37 Krock !olleH
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20:43 jojoa1997 OldCoder o/
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22:45 OldCoder Yo
22:46 OldCoder jojoa1997, ^
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23:11 blaise Zardoz555: hey, if you get onto a server and start begging for admin priv.. you're probably going to get banned, just fwi
23:12 blaise s/fwi/fyi/
23:12 blaise Zardoz555: if you want admin on a server start your own.
23:12 blaise I damn sure aint gonna give you admin. I don't even know you.
23:13 blaise further more, it's not really up to me
23:15 blaise if the people that are on and play every day voice their oppinion and say that a person is very helpful and they can prove themselves trustworthy, I would give them priv.. but you're just some random a**hat begging for admin, so go f**k yourself.
23:15 blaise dude spent like 8 hours begging my users for admin
23:15 blaise asking who is the sysop
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23:22 john_minetest blaise: Can I haz admin plz? :3
23:22 john_minetest ;)
23:23 john_minetest When I was 2nd admin on zeg9's server, we had a rule in the server rules. "Don't ask for admin or privs"
23:23 john_minetest Worked pretty well.
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