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00:25 jojoa1997 Why do i even listen to idiots on the forums? They just make me mad assuming everything.
00:35 VanessaE what happened?
00:35 jojoa1997 um
00:36 jojoa1997 Here is my response https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.p​hp?f=3&t=9172&p=153024#p153024
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00:37 jojoa1997 just read it
00:37 VanessaE lemme read the rest of the recent posts
00:38 jojoa1997 ok
00:38 jojoa1997 sure
00:40 jojoa1997 gaaaaaah, saying that i need to learn how to code to implement it and that the problem is I need to decide if I want to use Minetest or not... I wish he would just think before opening his trap
00:40 jojoa1997 s/he/he or she/
00:41 VanessaE " A great example would be that I really want the ability to have nodes give of different colored lights, but alas that topic was already fought and lost by another person. "
00:41 VanessaE wait.
00:41 VanessaE RBA is working on that:
00:42 VanessaE [09-02 17:23] <RealBadAngel> so hmmmm, eat this: http://i.imgur.com/wHjL1dJ.png ;)
00:42 jojoa1997 really!?
00:42 VanessaE yeah
00:42 VanessaE look at that image.
00:42 jojoa1997 awesome
00:42 VanessaE also,
00:42 VanessaE "Second my imagination and willing to make it is not nil,"
00:42 VanessaE s/willing/willingness/
00:43 VanessaE if you're gonna go grammar-nazi on the guy before you, watch your own typing too ;)
00:43 jojoa1997 Also that entire post was partly rage induced and simmered down
00:43 jojoa1997 also that was a quote of home
00:43 jojoa1997 him
00:43 * VanessaE keeps reading..
00:44 jojoa1997 how far YOUR willing
00:44 VanessaE I know.
00:44 jojoa1997 he said willing (my out for being a grammer nazi) I was "quoting" him
00:44 VanessaE oh ok
00:44 VanessaE then wrap that word in ""
00:44 VanessaE :)
00:46 * VanessaE keeps reading..
00:46 jojoa1997 VanessaE this guy is worse than people who down windows!
00:47 VanessaE I get that.
00:48 VanessaE He does make one valid point:  that each person's desires for the game will vary enough that finding the optimal cross-section of features to fit everyone would be nearly impossible.
00:48 VanessaE BUT, your points are well-stated here but
00:48 VanessaE oops.
00:48 VanessaE BUT, your points are well-stated here.
00:49 VanessaE and you're absolutely right:
00:49 jojoa1997 there
00:49 VanessaE sounds in minetest suck.
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00:50 jojoa1997 What really just annoyed me the most is that he assumed that I was some new person who never coded before. Well I have been in this community longer than you VanessaE
00:50 VanessaE yep
00:50 jojoa1997 and I have made many mods so I wish he would do some research
00:50 VanessaE pretty sure you have
00:51 jojoa1997 And his one correct point is already something I have admitted before. But if you fight for what you want you get it. example obsidian
00:51 VanessaE to a degree yeah
00:51 jojoa1997 yeah
00:51 VanessaE minetest_game has become active again, so fighting for what you want is less of a problem than before
00:51 VanessaE and pilzadam is not the gatekeeper there anymore either
00:51 jojoa1997 you cant have everything but asking for better sounds overall isnt something that requires the insult he gave
00:52 jojoa1997 what!?
00:52 VanessaE agreed.
00:52 jojoa1997 I HAVE A CHANCE AGAIN!
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00:52 VanessaE yes, you have.
00:52 jojoa1997 PilzAdam <3
00:52 VanessaE sfan5, BlockMen and nore seem to be the primary agents to talk to now
00:52 jojoa1997 but I gell on yhe floor laughing when I saw that he had one post and he joined last week
00:52 jojoa1997 ah
00:53 jojoa1997 fffffffffff
00:53 jojoa1997 I just waitede 5 hours for opensuse to install on my vm
00:53 jojoa1997 and now it stopped working
00:53 kahrl grats
00:54 VanessaE haha
00:54 * jojoa1997 stabs opensuse
00:54 * jojoa1997 boots opensuse
00:54 VanessaE use Xubuntu instead.  XFCE Is Your Friend.™
00:54 jojoa1997 seems like everything is starting
00:55 jojoa1997 VanessaE, someone is letting me use their server and I want to make a minetest server so we can play on it but I dont have permission on the server to install Minetest(superuser) so I wanted to build it local
00:55 jojoa1997 IT WORKS!!!!
00:55 VanessaE cool
00:58 jojoa1997 you know Mauvbic would have loved to see this http://i.imgur.com/wHjL1dJ.png
00:58 jojoa1997 too bad he already left his mods were cool
00:58 VanessaE yep
00:58 VanessaE in fact I just banned him from the forum for a month for shitposting.
00:59 VanessaE (and I don't care if he knows!)
00:59 * jojoa1997 hugs VanessaE
01:00 jojoa1997 I would have liked to see his response but if it was more posting like that I just dont have the time for it
01:01 VanessaE this last one was some mod of his, M55 or some such.  I dunno, M and some number.  instead of a mod there, it was some silly poem.
01:01 VanessaE and this was a mod that was in Mod Releases.
01:01 VanessaE (note, was)
01:02 jojoa1997 um oldcoder has a copy of it i think
01:03 jojoa1997 ?.? was?
01:03 VanessaE was - I moved it to offtopic.
01:03 jojoa1997 ahh
01:03 jojoa1997 Now all minetest needs is a script that allows me to build it in windows
01:03 VanessaE it no longer describes a mod.  the whole damn first post is some  childish poem
01:03 VanessaE that exists too :)
01:04 VanessaE I think
01:04 VanessaE ask sfan5, I'm certain he's scripted the proces
01:04 VanessaE +s
01:04 jojoa1997 doesnt work
01:04 jojoa1997 already tried a while ago
01:07 VanessaE then ask BlockMen :)
01:07 VanessaE or fess
01:07 VanessaE they also surely have scripted it
01:07 VanessaE (or is it called "batching" it? :P )
01:07 jojoa1997 scripting
01:08 jojoa1997 OpenSuse installed!!!!
01:11 jojoa1997 I think I remeber why I left now
01:12 VanessaE ?
01:12 jojoa1997 left MT a while ago
01:12 jojoa1997 the drama wasnt worth it
01:12 VanessaE pain in the ass people like that guy>
01:12 VanessaE yeah I remember
01:12 VanessaE kinda missed seeing you around too
01:12 VanessaE but the same shit happens in any community
01:12 jojoa1997 yeah
01:12 jojoa1997 hence why i dont socialize
01:13 * jojoa1997 looks at his time in MT
01:13 jojoa1997 oxymoron here!
01:14 jojoa1997 VanessaE can you unban the guy. I want to see how he reacts
01:14 jojoa1997 and if he does that type of posting ban him for  a month
01:14 VanessaE who, mauvebic?
01:15 jojoa1997 oh you banned mauvbic?
01:15 VanessaE yeah.
01:15 jojoa1997 nvm then
01:15 VanessaE HE is the one I was talking about who was shitposting.
01:15 jojoa1997 I knew that >.>
01:16 jojoa1997 <.<
01:16 jojoa1997 >.>
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01:45 OldCoder yo
01:46 emeralds o/ OldCoder
02:00 blaise how do we kick clients off the server?
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02:00 blaise I don't want to ban, but this client connected, starved to death, and is occupying 1 of 5 slots available for connecting clients..
02:01 blaise it's name is happy
02:01 blaise when I /kick happy
02:01 blaise it says failed to kick player happy
02:06 VanessaE blaise: /kick username
02:06 VanessaE or  /kick uasername <reason>
02:07 VanessaE the username is case-sensitive and must be spelled exactly
02:14 blaise hrmm
02:16 blaise from the client, I see bruno-extreme, blaise, happy
02:16 blaise from the irc mod I just see blaise
02:16 blaise and I can't kick happy
02:16 blaise been there for a few hours
02:16 blaise bruno-extreme just joined
02:18 blaise it's weird
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02:30 VanessaE then happy isn't really on the server
02:30 VanessaE probably a ghost
02:30 VanessaE or you lack the necessary priv?
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03:14 blaise they're ghosts
03:16 blaise the IP I have logged with their user id is not exchanging traffic through my router
03:16 blaise will the server handle these ghosts? or do I have to restart it?
03:23 VanessaE idk
03:23 VanessaE a restart couldn't hurt
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03:34 Xenoth Can somebody please tell me where Calinou's moreblocks repo/zip has been moved to? Can't find the thing, and it's needed for technic_game.
03:34 blaise o.O
03:34 VanessaE sure, one second.
03:34 VanessaE https://gitorious.org/calinou/moreblocks
03:34 Xenoth Ah, thanks VanessaE.
03:34 VanessaE all others, https://gitorious.org/calinou
03:35 VanessaE no prob.
03:36 Xenoth Also, RealBadAngel, if you're around, you might want to fix the git config for the submodules.
03:36 Xenoth To the above links ^^.
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03:49 blaise !server MidnightSystems
03:49 MinetestBot blaise: MidnightSystems | midnightsystems.net | Clients: 0/5, 1/4 | Version: 0.4.10 / minetest | Ping: 125ms
03:49 * Xenoth is heading off. Night.
03:50 blaise VanessaE: what's the 1/4 mean on the server listing there?
03:50 blaise I know I can take up to 5 clients
03:50 blaise what's that other thing for?
03:50 VanessaE !server Vanilla
03:50 MinetestBot VanessaE: VanessaE's mostly-vanilla minetest_game server | digitalaudioconcepts.com:30005 | Clients: 1/50, 0/2 | Version: 0.4.10-dev / minetest_game | Ping: 118ms
03:51 VanessaE I guess it would be the last totals for the day?
03:51 VanessaE I have no idea.
03:51 blaise lol
03:51 blaise curiouser and curiouser
03:51 VanessaE ask sfan5 :P
03:51 blaise sfan5: you awake?
03:51 blaise XD
03:52 VanessaE it's like 5:51 am his time, probably not.
03:52 blaise ah, lol
03:52 blaise it's about midnight here..
04:07 VanessaE bbl
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07:28 john_minetest hi
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08:05 sfan5 blaise: yes
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08:25 JamesTait Good morning all; happy Newspaper Carrier Day! :-D
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08:37 john_minetest https://mediacru.sh/fziwvrEpV6G-
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08:38 * john_minetest imagines a newspaper carrier being an aircraft carrier with newspapers instead of aircrafts. pesheeew!
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09:09 raffahacks Is there a 'remember password' function for multiplayer?
09:27 raffahacks ?
09:36 john_minetest no
09:36 john_minetest There is not.
09:37 raffahacks It could be useful...
09:39 Megaf folks, does minetest has underground springs?
09:40 raffahacks Which lib is the main menu gui developed with?
09:40 T4im irrlicht
09:41 raffahacks Is it possible to design an ui with irrlicht? Is it not only for 3d?
09:41 john_minetest irrlicht does 3d but is also  capable of doing 2d and GUI things
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09:45 raffahacks Shouldn't be better to create a normal gui launcher like in minecra**?
09:46 raffahacks No, it's useless, you are right
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09:52 john_minetest raffahacks: Since we are using irrlicht anyway, it would be a waste of resources to add another lib for the GUI.
10:01 raffahacks Is irrlicht difficult to use?
10:04 john_minetest https://mediacru.sh/zzpkIfrHMt8w
10:04 raffahacks VanessaE: I tried your vanilla server
10:04 john_minetest raffahacks: "Difficult"... Depends on what you want to do and how experienced you are.
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10:05 raffahacks Can you reccomend a lib for someone who learned a month ago what shaders are? :)
10:06 john_minetest I got no clue. I have never worked with shaders.
10:07 john_minetest If you want to do some stuff with shaders, try to write new shaders for minetest. It uses the GL shader language (GLSL).
10:08 john_minetest Doing shaders with all the graphics stuff from the start is pretty difficult, I think.
10:09 raffahacks It's better if a newbie doesn't destroy minetest with his first project
10:09 raffahacks :)
10:10 john_minetest You can work on your own local copy.
10:10 raffahacks I've written several cms, guess which one became the most used?
10:11 raffahacks The first, most vulnerable one, wrote when i was 12 :)
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10:25 raffahacks Anyway, I will see if i can write some shaders. Bye :)
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10:38 john_minetest https://mediacru.sh/Z6amIR8Od4S2
10:45 Jordach tally ho chaps
11:02 john_minetest yo
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12:29 Marks_ Hi all
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12:33 PenguinDad Julia looks really nice
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13:59 Elench Is 0.4.9 old enough to cause problems?
14:01 Elench Also, how can I invert look?
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14:10 ThatGraemeGuy Elench: problems as in mods not working properly? definitely
14:11 Elench Yes exactly that, thanks
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15:22 alket hi , the servers are not showing for me
15:23 VanessaE "the servers"?
15:24 alket VanessaE, the online server , for multiplayer
15:24 VanessaE I'm afraid that doesn't make any sense
15:24 VanessaE there are many minetest servers.
15:24 VanessaE did you mean this?  http://servers.minetest.net/
15:25 alket VanessaE, I mean this http://www.zimagez.com/zimage/scre​enshot-2014-sht-04-052502cest.php
15:25 VanessaE that's not the server list.
15:25 VanessaE that's just your local world list for creating a local server.
15:26 alket isn't the Singlplayer ?
15:26 VanessaE no.
15:26 alket VanessaE, ok how to play online
15:26 VanessaE you want the "Client" tab, turn on the "public serverlist"
15:26 alket VanessaE, many thanks
15:26 VanessaE (the checkbox at the bottom of the list box on the left)
15:26 VanessaE no prob.
15:27 alket is there something to determine which one is faster for me ?
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15:28 VanessaE you just have to try and see
15:29 VanessaE each server is different.
15:29 VanessaE what might seem like it should be faster might in fact be slower due to slow mods or so
15:29 alket thanks again
15:30 VanessaE sure thing
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15:32 Mikeonline hi
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15:47 Mikeonline Calinou, is there a "best practice" how to remove unwanted node types from moreblocks?
15:49 Calinou no
15:49 Calinou just don't use the unwanted nodes
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15:56 Mikeonline Calinou: so its not as easy as removing some few lines as i hoped.
15:57 Mikeonline that bad thing is i have to add all or none to creative inventory :(
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15:57 VanessaE why are you worried about the size of creative inv?
15:58 VanessaE if it's a burden, use a better creative inv. mod.
15:58 PenguinDad moreblocks doesn't add that many items to the creative inv
15:59 Mikeonline depends on config. but i want all available blocks in ci
16:00 Mikeonline maybe i could uncomment microblocks and panels?
16:00 Calinou http://tavmjong.free.fr/SVG/​SVGOpen2014/svg_2014.svg#1_0
16:01 Calinou Mikeonline, uncomment what, where?
16:01 Mikeonline sth like stairsplus init dofile(modpath.. "/microblocks.lua")
16:01 VanessaE Mikeonline: you mean comment-out
16:01 VanessaE and no, just use the damn thing whole :P
16:01 Mikeonline yes VanessaE :P
16:02 Mikeonline nah not the whole thing
16:02 Mikeonline that would mess up the creative inventory.
16:02 VanessaE microblocks don't show up in creative inv
16:02 Mikeonline do all stairs and slabs show up?
16:02 VanessaE and if they do, your inventory mod is busted.
16:03 Mikeonline if its not in ci its near useless. but i have to remove the crafts then so noone can use it
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16:04 VanessaE um, stairsplus uses the circular saw to do the work...
16:04 Mikeonline you mean the terrible functional thing?
16:05 PenguinDad The circular saw works fine for me :/
16:05 VanessaE works fine for me too
16:06 Mikeonline you mean that each node is defined over a loop function?
16:06 VanessaE how else would you do it?
16:06 Mikeonline i prefer copy&paste :D
16:06 Mikeonline so its easy to edit
16:06 VanessaE that's bad coding style.
16:06 Mikeonline i know
16:07 VanessaE and harder to maintain
16:07 Mikeonline but for my modifications it would be best
16:07 Mikeonline i actually use an old moreblocks version which is fine
16:07 Mikeonline i just need the new functional thing for streets stairs
16:09 Mikeonline what will happen if i remove "panel".. from the circ. saw names list?
16:13 Mikeonline streets does not detect mesecons. but its installed. strange
16:17 Mikeonline streets says 1.4.4 dev but is 1.5 stable
16:19 Mikeonline strange things. i have to look for it later
16:19 Mikeonline supper..
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16:53 Krock hi?
16:59 sfan5 hi
17:00 Krock oh cool. someone's here
17:00 * Krock meows at sfan5
17:00 VanessaE hi
17:00 Calinou somecat*
17:00 * twoelk is lurking
17:00 Krock ..
17:00 sfan5 !server meow
17:00 MinetestBot sfan5: Meowtest 0.4.10 "SEGFAULTY" | minetest.org:30018 | Clients: 3/25, 3/13 | Version: 0.4.10 / meowtest_game | Ping: 912ms
17:01 * Krock doesn't know if he should start his server for 2 hours
17:02 sfan5 fun fact: 775132 nodes have been dug or placed on my server
17:02 Calinou did you release your “microrollback” mod
17:02 Krock how many nodes were pointed to?
17:03 Calinou you can't know
17:03 sfan5 Calinou: 1) no 2) it doesn't do rollback, just tracking
17:04 Calinou why don't you release it
17:05 sfan5 I'm to lazy to create a forum post and stuff
17:05 sfan5 but creating a git repo is the first step
17:05 sfan5 I'll do that now
17:05 * twoelk wonders what an activity heatmap would look like
17:06 sfan5 ooh
17:06 sfan5 thats an awesome idea
17:06 Krock ^
17:13 sfan5 Krock: unix timestamps are a standard way to store stuff even on windows
17:13 Krock sfan5, ah but the word unix is misleading
17:13 sfan5 (not used by microsoft iirc, but used by many programs)
17:13 sfan5 no
17:13 sfan5 it was originally from unix
17:14 sfan5 Calinou: https://github.com/sfan5/minetest-nm
17:18 Calinou thanks
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17:26 VanessaE bbl
17:26 sfan5 Calinou: why "thanks", did you want to test it?
17:26 ecutruin Suppose I can ask here too.. this pertains to MC more but MT peoples might find it interesting.. Would anyone be interested in reading a blog type thing where I go through vanilla and mods and kind of re-imagine them?  I'm a proponent for GUIless stuff, and a friend said I should think of just doing an art/mechanic blog showcasing my thoughts.
17:27 sfan5 re-imagine them in which way?
17:27 Krock MOTD? Mod of the day?
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17:28 sfan5 o/ Jordach
17:30 Jordach o/
17:31 Calinou sfan5, private mods suck :P
17:32 sfan5 i see
17:33 * PenguinDad leaps around happily
17:34 * sfan5 licks PenguinDad
17:35 Calinou try not to read both actions at once
17:36 sfan5 "* sfan5 licks around happily" ?
17:36 PenguinDad lol
17:36 Krock lol
17:39 ecutruin sfan5, basically I want to remove popup GUIs.. and kinda tweak how the gameplay works to fit my own vision.  I wouldn't actually re-code/re-make the mods.. just blog out my ideas along with art/animations to show people what it might look like.
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17:40 sfan5 i see
17:42 * twoelk wanders the barran landscape of the just test server and just wonders
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18:04 Calinou http://blog.codinghorror.com​/standard-flavored-markdown/
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18:11 sfan5 :o :o :o :o :o
18:11 sfan5 nyaa.se is up again
18:11 sfan5 \:D/
18:12 Krock fils.
18:12 Krock films.
18:13 shadowzone Hi sfan5.
18:13 sfan5 hi
18:22 Krock ehm. Is it OpenGL renderer or OpenGL render?
18:24 Mikeonline typo in stairs mod: if type(register_stair_slab_panel_mirco) == "function" and streets.extendedBy.prefab == false then
18:24 Mikeonline of streets/concretestairs
18:25 Calinou Krock, renderer probably
18:26 Krock Calinou, okay, thanks.
18:31 VanessaE back
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18:35 Calinou wb VanessaE
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18:35 VanessaE Calinou: https://github.com/VanessaE/homedecor_​modpack/pull/66#issuecomment-54523991
18:36 sfan5 Krock: former
18:36 Krock sfan5: meower
18:36 VanessaE wait, lemme edit that..
18:36 Krock wait wut?
18:37 VanessaE there.
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18:48 Mikeonline !server DLK
18:48 MinetestBot Mikeonline: No results
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19:29 iqualfragile howdy ho fellas
19:31 * sfan5 meows at iqualfragile
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19:35 iqualfragile i love the art of brathering
19:36 sfan5 of what?
19:38 iqualfragile brathering
19:38 sfan5 I mean whats that?
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19:44 iqualfragile sfan5: well, you need to take a hering and then you brat it
19:47 PenguinDad iqualfragile: I prefer bratlachs :p
19:47 Jordach TIL hitting print screen shows both screens
19:48 * twoelk did not notice the fish in that brathering :-D
19:49 twoelk this is stupid, now I'm hungry dreaming of fried fish
19:52 Cylus While playing on an indev map, I keep getting teleported to x=-inf. Is that a known issue?
19:52 * Jordach likes the Steam Music updates https://cdn.mediacru.sh/cpAWhdOxwjcc.png
19:53 iqualfragile Jordach: should stop using windows
19:53 PenguinDad Cylus: indev got removed some time ago
19:54 Jordach iqualfragile, and?
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19:54 Cylus PenguinDad: Is 0.4.10 old?
19:54 Jordach acting like you know better does not go down well
19:54 iqualfragile Cylus: no, 0.4.10 ist the newest release
19:55 iqualfragile but a lot of pleople use the latest git version
19:55 Cylus Okay, so it's removed in Git though? Okay, I'll quit using it then. Thanks!
19:56 iqualfragile Cylus: yes, its removed in git. there is a dire need for a better map generator
19:57 * PenguinDad agrees with iqualfragile about Jordach
19:57 Cylus I wouldn't say there's a *dire* need. V6 works great. I was just playing around in indev to see what it was like.
19:59 iqualfragile Cylus: yeah, but its so 2012
20:00 Jordach https://cdn.mediacru.sh/LkFic98OPjtK.png
20:00 Jordach this may be familiar
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20:06 Cylus iqualfragile: It's not like it hasn't been seeing updates since then though.
20:07 iqualfragile Cylus: but its architecture has not
20:08 iqualfragile its not flexible
20:08 jojoa1997 soo tired Yall are talking too much!
20:08 Cylus Hmm. I suppose more flexibility is never a bad thing.
20:08 Cylus Good night jojoa1997!
20:09 jojoa1997 Cylus it is 4pm
20:09 jojoa1997 It is called school
20:09 Cylus jojoa1997: My bad.
20:09 jojoa1997 and open house is tonight! X_X
20:09 Cylus Too many time zones to track.
20:09 jojoa1997 Cylus its ok
20:09 jojoa1997 When someone says goodnight would probs be a good time to say that ;)
20:10 jojoa1997 Jordach why would it seem familiar?
20:13 iqualfragile in germany its 22:13
20:13 iqualfragile Cylus: its especially hard to add new biomes
20:14 Cylus Is there even a way to make that easy? Maybe I'm just not inventive enough to see how.
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20:19 jojoa1997 um
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20:22 AnotherBrick where does word "oerkki" came from? made up by celeron55?
20:22 jojoa1997 Wtf freenode Standard Time assumes when people join it is morning... um freenode people have a life/school/jobs/other stuff
20:23 jojoa1997 I cant help you there Cylus
20:25 iqualfragile AnotherBrick: afaik its a finish monster
20:26 iqualfragile Cylus: yes, mapgens basically generate a 2d-map of temperature and humidity+ a 2 or 3d map of height
20:26 iqualfragile you can then define which conditions have to be met to generate a biome
20:26 iqualfragile and define what the biome looks like
20:26 iqualfragile v7 does that
20:29 AnotherBrick there's finnish word "örkki" but it's just orc who doesn't look anywhere close to minetest's oerkki
20:30 AnotherBrick so.. the question still remains :-)
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20:41 iqualfragile is there some way to rollback and rollback_check without time limit?
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