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00:44 * Jordach starts installing Dota 2
00:46 Jordach pitriss, i killed my server due to unbearable ping in TF2
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04:13 Exio4 what do you think about a RAID 0 of three usb keys?
04:15 Miner_48er Exio
04:15 Miner_48er Exio4 what are you attempting with RAID?
04:15 Exio4 what?
04:15 Exio4 a RAID 0 of usb keys, for a full OS system
04:16 Miner_48er so you need more space to store the OS?
04:16 Exio4 i'm running a full setup in an usb key right now, but wouldn't mind have a failback if this USB key fails, and thinking about converting this "into" a RAID0
04:16 Exio4 RAID 0 is mirror raid
04:17 Exio4 isn't it?
04:17 Miner_48er no
04:17 Miner_48er RAID 1
04:17 Exio4 damn
04:17 Exio4 confused them like always
04:17 Exio4 well, whatever, RAID1
04:19 Miner_48er are all three usb drives the same size?
04:19 Exio4 16gb
04:21 Miner_48er ok what's the size of the OS?
04:21 Exio4 i have another 8gb key i'm not going to fit here, two of them are kingston and bought them with a 2 weeks time-difference, the other is a new nearly-new "noname" usb key (want to use it for mainly for "just-in-case")
04:21 Exio4 uh?
04:22 Exio4 right now the OS is 8~ gb with my data there
04:22 Exio4 but why?
04:22 Exio4 does that matter?
04:24 Miner_48er to see if it would fit
04:24 Exio4 i know it would "fit"
04:24 Exio4 i'm using a "non-RAID" setup with 1 usb key right now
04:25 Exio4 wanted to convert this to RAID
04:26 Miner_48er ok what are you planning to do with the extra usb?
04:26 Exio4 a mirror raid
04:27 Exio4 wanted to know if anyone tried this, or anything
04:27 Miner_48er have you looked at RAID 1E?
04:29 Exio4 not really
04:29 Exio4 sounds like some windows-only solution though
04:31 Miner_48er no
04:32 Exio4 wow, sounds kinda nice
04:32 Exio4 but i really only want a mirror raid
04:33 Exio4 i don't want more space, i'll be killing the usb keys and want to know my data is somehow "safe"
04:34 Exio4 linux md raid 10
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04:34 Exio4 neat
04:37 Miner_48er BeyondRAID would be nice for a larger setup
04:38 Miner_48er How are you planning to implement it?
04:45 Miner_48er this may help https://raid.wiki.kernel.org​/index.php/RAID_setup#RAID-1
04:47 Exio4 yeah
04:48 Miner_48er Exio4 you backed up your data before trying right?
04:48 Exio4 uhm?
04:49 Miner_48er good
04:49 Exio4 i've a backup but i haven't tried anything so far
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05:34 blaise !server MidnightSystems
05:34 MinetestBot blaise: MidnightSystems | midnightsystems.net | Clients: 0/25, 0/0 | Version: 0.4.10 / minetest | Ping: 339ms
05:34 blaise yay!
05:37 blaise I still can't get fricken unified inventory working
05:37 blaise :(
05:37 blaise wiped my server, and my client
05:38 blaise damn inventory plus wont go away
05:38 blaise wtf
05:43 Miner_48er 3 places it could be your game mods, mods, or world mods
06:18 blaise meh
06:19 blaise I tossed my ~/.minetest
06:19 blaise and it's not on the server.
06:20 blaise the directory is gone, and it's turned to false in the world.mt
06:20 blaise and it's not client side..
06:20 blaise I'm like
06:20 blaise :o
06:20 * blaise blinks
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07:27 Megaf Hi everyone
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07:33 Calinou for crafting recipes in forum threads, I thought of using block-like character(s) and colours
07:34 Calinou but this is trickier, very hard to edit, not colourblind-friendly
07:34 Calinou hi Megaf :)
07:34 Calinou https://forum.minetest.net/v​iewtopic.php?f=11&t=9891
07:34 Calinou new mod
07:35 Megaf Calinou: for recipes I believe a good solution is as lots of people are doing already, using a symbol and a legend
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07:39 Matsetes_ What' s different with jumping mod?
07:39 Calinou Matsetes_, new textures, tweaked recipes, more balanced, code cleanup…
07:39 Calinou as usual with most Carbone-originating mods
07:40 Matsetes_ Ok =)
07:50 Megaf !up mineteset.megaf.info 30003
07:50 MinetestBot mineteset.megaf.info:30003 seems to be down
07:50 Megaf !up minetest.megaf.info 30003
07:50 MinetestBot minetest.megaf.info:30003 is up (526ms)
07:55 sfan5 !tell Krock a cat \o/
07:55 MinetestBot sfan5: yeah, sure, whatever
07:55 sfan5 <3 MinetestBot
07:55 MinetestBot <3 sfan5
08:00 Megaf so, one block - 16x16x16, right?
08:01 PenguinDad Megaf: one block == 4096 nodes
08:01 PenguinDad !c 16**3
08:01 MinetestBot 4096
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08:01 Megaf I’m trying to figure out the volume one have to dig to find a nyam cat for sure
08:01 Megaf https://github.com/minetest/minetest_game​/blob/master/mods/default/mapgen.lua#L378
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08:02 foreverip hello?
08:02 sfan5 hello
08:02 foreverip hello
08:03 foreverip i have a little question about minetest
08:03 PenguinDad !c (80**3)/4096.0
08:03 MinetestBot 125.0
08:03 foreverip well more like a bug
08:03 sfan5 just ask
08:03 Calinou just ask
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08:04 foreverip_ hello again
08:04 foreverip_ did this channel just restart?
08:05 foreverip_ too much lag im quiting
08:06 PenguinDad 125 nyan cats in one abstract mapgenerator chunk at default chunksize O_o
08:06 sfan5 what?
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08:06 foreverip_ i encountered a problem while playing minetest
08:07 sfan5 which problem?
08:07 Calinou Carbone has slightly more nyan cats, spawning at all altitudes
08:07 kahrl foreverip_: try a real IRC client instead of the web interface
08:08 Calinou the heads can make the best tools, the rainbows are good fuel
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08:09 foreverip whenever i open minetest, the text wont load and it will say character conversion failure
08:09 Calinou what operating system do you use?
08:09 Miner_48er foreverip OS, mt version, any errors?
08:10 Calinou if Windows, do you use the official build on minetest.net?
08:10 PenguinDad foreverip: what is your system language set to?
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08:12 foreverip_ ugh too much lagg for me
08:12 kahrl foreverip_: try a real IRC client instead of the web interface
08:12 foreverip_ anyways heres a link for a image when i play minetest: http://www.noelshack.com/2014-32-1407564611--.png
08:13 Calinou whoa
08:13 Calinou your Minetest seems to be in a strange language
08:13 Calinou foreverip_, there should be a minetest.conf file. quit the game, open it, then add "language = fr" without the quotes
08:13 Calinou then start game
08:13 Calinou it'll force game to be in French (you seem to be French :P)
08:13 Calinou "language = en" forces English.
08:14 Calinou actually, not French, so just use English, nevermind about that
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08:14 kahrl foreverip: perhaps try disabling that proxy
08:15 foreverip oh.. but i have to use it to connect
08:15 Miner_48er foreverip china?
08:15 foreverip i live in china where the government blocks everything!! i have to use a proxy
08:16 kahrl try a different one?
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08:16 Calinou let's come back to the problem
08:17 Calinou did you try adding "language = en" to the end of minetest.conf, after quitting the game?
08:17 foreverip__ can u please reply to my forum post instead?
08:17 foreverip__ thx
08:17 foreverip__ too much lag for me on here
08:17 Calinou ah, I see it
08:17 Megaf PenguinDad: how big is a chunk?
08:17 sfan5 foreverip__: did you try a real irc client?
08:18 foreverip__ what?
08:18 Calinou posted
08:18 foreverip__ thx
08:19 Matsetes_ Dunno if 8x8 or 64x64
08:19 Matsetes_ Something like that
08:20 PenguinDad Megaf: one abstract mapgenerator chunk at default chunksize is 80*80*80
08:20 Matsetes_ Lol
08:20 Megaf 80 blocks or nodes?
08:20 PenguinDad Nodes
08:21 Matsetes_ What' s a node?
08:21 Calinou a node is the technical name of what you'd generally call a Block
08:21 Calinou eg. a steel block is a node.
08:21 Calinou same for dirt.
08:21 Matsetes_ So a 1x1
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08:22 sfan5 ಠ_ಠ
08:22 NSA I'm watching you
08:22 jp__ node != block
08:22 PenguinDad I can't render Kannada :(
08:22 Calinou I call them blocks.
08:22 sfan5 PenguinDad: which distro?
08:22 Calinou Kannada?
08:23 PenguinDad Debian Testing
08:23 Calinou sounds like Canada
08:23 Matsetes_ So what's a block?
08:23 sfan5 ugh
08:23 sfan5 debian
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08:23 Calinou Matsetes_, a block, in technical language, is 16 × 16 × 16 blocks, what'd you generally call a chunk.
08:23 Calinou sometimes called MapBlock
08:23 sfan5 Calinou: no
08:23 sfan5 it's called MapBlock
08:23 sfan5 not block
08:26 kahrl !dev terminology
08:26 MinetestBot Sorry, did not find anything.
08:27 kahrl !dev Terminology
08:27 MinetestBot Sorry, did not find anything.
08:27 kahrl http://dev.minetest.net/Terminology
08:27 kahrl :(
08:27 kahrl anyway, it says: Blocks or Mapblocks are ...
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08:32 Jordach if you want me today, go fuck yourself (i'm out till 6pm if i don't get a ride back and have to take the bus)
08:32 foreverip calinou thx for ur help but its still not solved
08:33 foreverip it didnt do anything and i posted a bit more on the forum post
08:34 Calinou I replied
08:34 Calinou make sure you have file permissions
08:34 Calinou else minetest.conf will never be written
08:35 kahrl foreverip: make sure it's minetest.conf not minetest.conf.example
08:38 sfan5 kahrl: can you please file an issue? https://github.com/sfan5/min​etestbot-modules/issues/new
08:38 kahrl sfan5: 404
08:38 Calinou minetest.conf.example does nothing to the game
08:38 sfan5 ..
08:39 jp__ Leave China. Problem solved...
08:39 kahrl oh I got it, just remove /new
08:39 sfan5 kahrl: https://github.com/sfan5/minetestbot-modules just create an issue there..
08:39 sfan5 jp__: leaving china is not that easy
08:39 jp__ no easier than leave USSR ;)
08:40 kahrl sfan5: huh, I can only create pull requests, not issues
08:41 sfan5 maybe I disabled issues
08:41 sfan5 hm
08:41 sfan5 I'll just put it into my todo.txt then
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08:47 PenguinDad !dev PerlinNoise
08:47 MinetestBot "A perlin noise generator." - http://dev.minetest.net/PerlinNoise
08:47 foreverip @calinou sorry but it still doesnt work
08:47 PenguinHub Hi!
08:48 foreverip i posted new stuff on the forum
08:49 jp__ You don't need to re-install normally...
08:51 jp__ I think I've understand the issue...
08:52 jp__ Hmm, nvm.
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08:56 foreverip @Calinou i posted a reply to the problem (its still not solved)
09:00 jp__ foreverip : create a minetest.conf in your Minetest folder and enter the line : language = en
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09:24 warsloop hello
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09:25 MinetestBot Krock: 08-09 12:55 UTC <sfan5> a cat \o/
09:34 Matsetes_ warsloop Hello
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13:56 Krock ^:D
13:58 PenguinDad Krock: You broke the silence!
13:58 Krock >:D
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14:28 Krock aaand again!
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15:01 jp__ !up Meowtest
15:01 MinetestBot jp__: Invalid Address
15:01 Krock !server meow
15:01 MinetestBot Krock: No results
15:02 Amaz !server krock
15:02 MinetestBot Amaz: Krock's Ultimative Platform | minetest.ntdll.net | Clients: 10/25, 7/18 | Version: 0.4.10-dev_MSVC / base | Ping: 460ms
15:02 Krock !server amaz
15:02 MinetestBot Krock: No results
15:02 Amaz :P
15:02 Krock :/
15:02 jp__ !server two beers plz
15:02 MinetestBot jp__: No results
15:04 PenguinHub Who is MinetestBot?
15:05 PenguinHub !server mooo
15:05 MinetestBot PenguinHub: No results
15:05 Krock PenguinHub, /nick markv
15:06 markv ll
15:06 MinetestBot markv: 07-28 03:15 UTC <Megaf> Thank you! :)
15:07 markv Krock: What?
15:07 MinetestBot markv: 07-28 03:16 UTC <Megaf> Thank you! :)
15:07 Guest82232 wtf
15:07 Krock lol
15:07 Guest82232 WHat do I do now?
15:08 Krock rage
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15:32 PenguinDad !server Meow?
15:32 MinetestBot PenguinDad: No results
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16:12 raffahacks VanessaE: are you here?
16:15 raffahacks Can I use a stereo 15W audio amplifier as a 30W amplifier?
16:16 PenguinDad :D http://somethingofthatilk.com/index.php?id=503
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16:21 raffahacks thanks
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17:08 rubenwardy Hi all!
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17:27 blaise hrmm
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17:27 blaise android build isn't compatable with unified inventory
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17:35 Matsetes_ Android build?
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17:51 Calinou (off-topic) Stunt Rally 2.4 is out: https://code.google.com/p/vdrift-ogre/
17:53 rubenwardy What is the possibility of getting this stickied? Does it deserve to be stickied? https://forum.minetest.net/v​iewtopic.php?f=9&amp;t=5831
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17:53 B_S_D hi guys
17:54 rubenwardy Hello B_S_D
17:55 Calinou does this work with group:?
17:55 rubenwardy yes
17:56 * Jordach finally worked out what that scratching noise was
17:56 Jordach the arm of my second 500gb drive is loud as hell
17:59 Matsetes_ Lol
18:00 Jordach started copying over a GoG game and it stops
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18:04 PenguinDad GnG games are better :P
18:05 blaise !server MidnightSystems
18:05 Calinou GPG!
18:05 MinetestBot blaise: MidnightSystems | midnightsystems.net | Clients: 2/25, 0/2 | Version: 0.4.10 / minetest | Ping: 1802ms
18:06 blaise holy crap!
18:06 blaise that's a lot of lag!
18:06 PenguinDad !up midnightsystems.net
18:06 MinetestBot midnightsystems.net:30000 is up (314ms)
18:07 PenguinDad ^ not so much in germany blaise
18:07 blaise it's on my LAN
18:07 blaise it's my server
18:08 blaise 13:07:49: ERROR[ServerThread]: MOBF: function spawner_entity_onstep_animal_vombie:vombie took too long: 3745.1799999999 ms
18:08 blaise lol
18:09 Calinou well, MOBF
18:09 Calinou here's your problem
18:09 Calinou use a simpler, faster mobs mod
18:10 blaise like what?
18:10 blaise simple mobs ?
18:10 blaise what mob mod has what mobf has to offer ?
18:11 blaise what's weird is, it was fine for quite a while...
18:11 rubenwardy MOBF has a lot more features than simple mobs, but that is also a disadvantag
18:11 rubenwardy +e
18:12 blaise but it's like, it just kept spawning mobs.. even though none were dieing
18:12 blaise seems like mobf needs some kind of population control
18:13 Calinou <blaise> simple mobs ?
18:13 Calinou better: my fork of it :D
18:13 Calinou https://forum.minetest.net/v​iewtopic.php?f=11&amp;t=9656
18:14 Calinou higher performance, better balance, some new features, an additional mob.
18:14 Calinou it's enough to fit the area of “something to make food of, something to be scared of” by far
18:14 Amaz Calinou: BrandoResses fork ftw!
18:14 Calinou may be slower
18:14 Amaz Probably...
18:15 Amaz But I love the mob vs mob combat :P)
18:15 blaise lol
18:15 Calinou cool to see, but not that useful.
18:16 Calinou my fork also has improved textures
18:16 Amaz Yeah...
18:16 Amaz https://github.com/Bremaweb/adve​nturetest/tree/master/mods/mobs
18:16 Calinou to make the dirt/stone monsters stand out
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18:28 Krock yay! 2nd viewer of [scheduler]
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18:38 PenguinDad Krock: You're the math.sin(math.pi/6)*4 viewer of that topic!
18:38 Krock PenguinDad, such maths. wow. amaze
18:38 PenguinDad !c math.sin(math.pi/6)*4
18:38 MinetestBot 1.9999999999999998
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18:39 Krock !c math.floor(math.sin(math.pi/6)*4 + 0.5)
18:39 MinetestBot 2
18:39 Cryterion_ Hi everyone
18:39 PenguinDad !c math.floor(math.cos(math.pi/3)*4)
18:39 MinetestBot 2
18:39 Krock !c 1/3 + 2/3 + 1/3 + 2/3
18:39 MinetestBot 2.0
18:40 PenguinDad ^ Krock
18:40 Krock lol
18:40 Krock !c math.floor(1.2 + 1)
18:40 MinetestBot 2
18:40 Krock omg. 2.
18:41 Jordach PenguinDad, https://cdn.mediacru.sh/xkaqN8UtDND4.png
18:42 rubenwardy !c 2
18:42 MinetestBot 2
18:43 rubenwardy :O
18:43 PenguinDad Krock: this will produce a big number !c math.tan(math.pi/2)
18:44 Krock calc.exe gives: 0.027422438482097768583287991871187
18:44 Krock !c math.tan(math.pi/2)
18:44 MinetestBot 1.633123935319537e+16
18:44 Krock hm hm
18:45 PenguinDad Krock: calc.exe is possibly set to degrees instead of radians
18:45 Krock possible.
18:46 Krock Ungültige Funktionseingabe.
18:46 Krock :D
18:50 Cryterion_ 1.63312393532e+16 is what I get in KCalc on Linex
18:50 PenguinDad !c math.sinh(1) + math.cosh(1) == math.e
18:50 MinetestBot True
18:50 PenguinDad Yay
18:51 Krock uh
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19:36 Krock VanessaE, could you live with just one post per topic/day?
19:40 VanessaE Krock: regarding what?
19:40 Krock dreambuilder
19:40 VanessaE well ordinarily that's just what I do.
19:41 VanessaE I edit and re-edit as I make updates so that I only ever give one post per day, unless others are posting.  Then I make additional posts with the updates (otherwise the notifications will get lost in the noise)
19:43 Krock oh right. other time zones.
19:43 Krock for you it was on two days, for me on one
19:45 VanessaE besides can you imagine the inflated post count I'd have if I made one new post per update? :)
19:48 blaise VanessaE: hey, is there a way to get a listing of the pipeworks items? or do I have to read the lua ? :)
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19:50 VanessaE there's a partial website, http://vanessae.github.io/pipeworks/
19:50 ThatGraemeGuy blaise: use a mod that provides a searchable crafting guide
19:50 ThatGraemeGuy blaise: for example, unified_inventory
19:51 kaeza greetings
19:51 VanessaE it's pretty outdated though
19:51 VanessaE hey kaeza
19:51 PenguinDad Hi kaeza
19:51 kaeza what's up?
19:51 ThatGraemeGuy anyone know typical causes of this: 21:51:26: ERROR[ServerThread]: ServerEnv: Trying to store id=65497 statically but block (-8,-7,4) already contains 91 objects. Forcing delete.
19:51 VanessaE better to use a crafting guide as ThatGraemeGuy suggests.
19:51 VanessaE ThatGraemeGuy: a mod producing entities insanely fast?
19:52 ThatGraemeGuy mmm
19:52 kaeza probably some mob mod; those are usually the culprit
19:52 * kaeza hides signs_lib ugly entity management under the carpet
19:53 VanessaE kaeza: happens on my servers from time to time too, no mobs there
19:53 kaeza nothing to see here!
19:53 VanessaE haha
19:53 VanessaE ugly it may be, it doesn't go around randomly creating them either :P
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19:55 Calinou dropping items by holding Shift + G can be a cause too
19:56 VanessaE shift-G?
19:56 VanessaE -Q?
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19:57 Jp84 Calinou have an AZERTY keyboard...
19:57 kaeza maybe he uses GWERTY keyboard layout <_<
19:57 Krock channging keys...
19:57 VanessaE heh
19:57 Krock LOL
19:57 ThatGraemeGuy i want to go investigate but i'm having some insane lag issue tonight #$#$#@!#$W
19:57 Krock GWERTY
19:58 PenguinDad G actually is a quite nice key for dropping items on QWERT[ZY] and AZERTY
19:58 VanessaE kaeza: actually...mobs... it just occurred to me that there IS still one kind of MOB on my Dreambuilder servers:  the mummies in the Pyramids mod.  you don't suppose......?
19:59 Calinou I use G as drop key
19:59 Calinou in all games
19:59 Calinou so I'm used to it
19:59 kaeza VanessaE, haven't looked too much at it lately, but doubt it
20:00 VanessaE naw, I didn't think so either.
20:00 kaeza it used to be a bit conservative with the spawning
20:00 VanessaE "conservative"?  HAH!  walk into a pyramid, get swarmed with mummies :P
20:16 ThatGraemeGuy ah, someone has a quarry running there
20:23 Jordach http://youtu.be/_SEJsJh3VKQ
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20:26 MinetestBot EvergreenTree: 08-06 23:36 UTC <Jordach> mobs now stay even when the server restarts, so no losing the special NPC
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20:27 twoelk my treemonster houseguests didn't want to stay
20:31 blaise would be nice if the irc module showed if and what the disconnect was if it wasn't a normal parting
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20:36 skittle_ .-.
20:37 skittle_ am i in the right #minetest?
20:37 zash Apparently not.
20:43 Krock !tell Halo What caused that problem?
20:43 MinetestBot Krock: I'll pass that on when Halo is around
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23:04 MinetestBot GIT: kahrl commited to minetest/minetest: Move #includes from version.h to version.cpp 587167e 2014-08-10T01:03:52+02:00 http://git.io/HpQJdA
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23:34 Jordach !tell asie I see you went back to that other game i see
23:34 MinetestBot Jordach: yeah, sure, whatever
23:34 Jordach context: http://www.reddit.com/r/feedthebeast/comments/​2d21k6/asielib_028_adds_a_little_anvil_tweak/

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