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00:55 jojoa1997 IM ALIVE
00:55 * jojoa1997 pets sfan5
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02:19 Miner_48er kaeza did you receive my reply?
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02:39 Miner_48er shadowNinja line 80 in handler.lua should be msg instead of msgs
02:39 Miner_48er also the irc mod isn't using the updated version
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02:48 ShadowNinja Miner_48er: Nope, msgs is correct.
02:48 ShadowNinja Miner_48er: See messages.lua.
02:51 Miner_48er thx
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03:24 blaise sfan5: so, did that guy even manage to hack anything?
03:24 blaise sfan5: if so, what?
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03:34 fiver I am new to minetest. I am interesting in modding.
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03:35 fiver I assume all here play minetest?
03:36 Exio4 i find hacking the code more fun than playing minetest itself, even though i don't dev much..
03:37 fiver What compiler do you use?
03:37 Exio4 gcc
03:37 fiver I assume its c++ code
03:37 fiver ok cool
03:37 fiver I have that with codeblocks
03:37 fiver Hey, exio4, how did you learn to program? Are there good IRC channels for learning c++ and modding?
03:38 Exio4 for learning C++? there are nice books about it, but i'd learn it by practice if you've coded before :P
03:38 * GTRsdk is curious too
03:38 Exio4 and lua, well, lua is quite easy!
03:39 Exio4 you should understand it if you know the basic concepts
03:39 Exio4 my lua skills aren't good because i rarely look at lua code though... :p
03:39 fiver for scripting, javascript and python so far
03:39 fiver python is fun
03:40 Exio4 why do people find python nice
03:40 fiver its absurdly easy
03:40 Exio4 i find it not so easy
03:41 Exio4 and you can't even use it for learning OOP stuff... it has a "fake" OOP
03:41 Exio4 no private methods, and so on...
03:41 Exio4 and if you want to code functionally, you can't
03:41 Exio4 outside a few high order functions you could even have in C
03:41 Exio4 (without closures in C, though!)
03:41 fiver well, its easy for learning programming, basic programming
03:42 Exio4 i find functional languages being amazingly nice for learning too
03:42 Exio4 they let you think about the problem itself
03:42 Exio4 h4x0rz r34l coders should be the ones dealing with the machine internals and how the computer could represent it
03:43 Exio4 http://en.wikipedia.org/wik​i/Greenspun%27s_tenth_rule
03:48 fiver never used lisp
03:51 Exio4 fiver, if you've time, check Racket
03:51 Exio4 it is a nice language
03:52 fiver Never heard of it.
03:52 fiver New?
03:57 fiver Says based on lisp. Would be difficult.. only know c++ java javascript python...
04:04 Exio4 it isn't hard
04:04 Exio4 it is different
04:04 Exio4 fiver, it isn't "new", it is just that they changed the name to a scheme work because they kept developing it
04:05 Exio4 if like static type systems, you could look at ML or haskell, but i'd go for Racket :p
04:08 blaise anyone got a changelog for minetest-0.4.9 > minetest-0.4.10 ?
04:10 Exio4 http://dev.minetest.net/Changelog ?
04:20 fiver The modding related changes is what I'm looking at.
04:23 donat captured the moment https://i.imgur.com/EeOE8TF.png
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04:30 fiver cool pic
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04:40 donat thx
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06:02 sfan5 blaise: no
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06:35 blaise sfan5: no to the changelog? or no to the failsploiter9k ?
06:38 blaise Exio4: ever used GO ?
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08:21 Krock hi
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08:26 Amaz Hi Krock!
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08:29 Krock bye bye Amaz
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09:08 Krock http://www.nerdtests.com/images/ft/cg.php?val=1588
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09:18 nman3600 idc if lemoncake johned mintest
09:19 Krock -h+i+e
09:19 LemonLake nman3600: rude bugger
09:22 LemonLake guys
09:22 LemonLake quassel is a bit weird
09:23 LemonLake nman3600: ping
09:23 LemonLake nman3600: double ping
09:23 nman3600 LemonLake: pong
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10:01 Krock https://forum.minetest.net/vi​ewtopic.php?p=150158#p150158
10:03 PilzAdam Krock, what does your mapgen do that others can't?
10:03 LemonLake ^
10:06 nman3600 ^
10:07 LemonLake okay. today's plan is to clean out the windows extensively (not pussified this time), then backup my linux files, then install a new distro completely
10:08 LemonLake or at least mint 17
10:09 LemonLake is xubuntu worth checking out?
10:10 Calinou yes, LemonLake
10:10 LemonLake better than ubuntu?
10:10 Calinou 14.04
10:10 Calinou yes
10:10 LemonLake okay
10:10 LemonLake and when i install it, does it have the ability to use my existing linux partition?
10:13 Krock PilzAdam, it can generate caves, willed with lava and ice around it :)
10:13 Krock -w+f
10:14 Calinou LemonLake, if separate /home, yes
10:15 Calinou choose it as mount point /home in advanced partition, don't format it
10:15 Calinou and format the / partition to install system
10:15 Calinou if I were you I'd just backup everything to external HDD though
10:15 LemonLake Yeah, that's what I'm doing
10:15 Calinou easier, no need to predict space used
10:15 LemonLake First I'm speeding up the windows
10:15 LemonLake incase I fuck up
10:15 LemonLake 10 minute boot time is seriously pathetic, and it only gets longer and longer (im not even installing anything)
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10:20 Calinou 10 minute boot time? how?
10:20 Calinou my boot time is 23 secs :P
10:20 LemonLake well, the OS boot is ~1 min
10:20 LemonLake it takes the remaining 9 for windows to realise what the fuck it's doing and start explorer
10:21 LemonLake like, im not even kidding
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10:24 Calinou LemonLake, “msconfig”
10:24 Calinou Windows+R, type that
10:24 Calinou look at programs on startup
10:24 Calinou uncheck the ones you don't need
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10:24 lemonlake_ Virtualbox is a +Cnt
10:24 lemonlake_ I just uninstalled it, and its way of a 'fun uninstallation' is to completely remove the network driver and then bugger up DNS lookup
10:25 Calinou why remove it?
10:25 Calinou it's almost always useful to have virtualization software around
10:25 lemonlake_ Virtualbox or my network driver?
10:26 lemonlake_ Well, hopefully, when the Windows is fixed, it will only be used for gaming and audio editing.
10:26 lemonlake_ If I need virtualization, it'll be on the xubuntu ;)
10:27 lemonlake_ ghooooost
10:33 * GhostDoge licks lemonlake_
10:33 * lemonlake_ meows at GhostDoge
10:33 * GhostDoge barks happily at lemonlake_
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11:08 lemonlake_ wtf
11:08 lemonlake_ my exhdd isn't being recognised
11:13 lemonlake_ damnit...right when i need to ask calinou shit
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11:24 crazyR can anyone think of a reason why the mapper would reject a color file?
11:24 crazyR i cant see anything wrong with the file
11:31 lemonlake_ was da errur
11:31 lemonlake_ OMFG
11:33 lemonlake_ http://imgur.com/a/WXaSw#0
11:36 lemonlake_ exactly 200 recursive obj folders
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11:42 lemonlake_ Jordach: what is your onions on xubuntu?
11:43 Jordach lemonlake_, good
11:43 GhostDoge onions :D
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11:45 lemonlake_ right now im compressing my previous windows backup while copying over my home folder
11:45 lemonlake_ (for a linux backup)
11:45 lemonlake_ then i'll try my hand at installing it over the existing mint installation
11:47 lemonlake_ though thinking about it, i might prefer just copying things i need and completly formatting the partition
11:47 lemonlake_ is this wise?
11:47 Amaz The second option?
11:47 lemonlake_ yes
11:48 Amaz That's what I always do. (That doesn't make it wise!)
11:48 lemonlake_ well I'm backing up the entire home folder
11:48 lemonlake_ then I'll format the partition (I hope I can do that right) and copy from the exhdd what I need
11:49 Amaz Yeah.
11:49 lemonlake_ though it'll be a few hours before that happens
11:49 Amaz You could format the partition from the installer.
11:49 lemonlake_ an hour left on the backup compression, and a week left on the linux backup
11:49 lemonlake_ yes, i think that's how it owkrs
11:50 lemonlake_ nvm, teracopy was being dicky, it's flickering between 1 hour to 3 weeks
11:50 Amaz :P
11:50 lemonlake_ what's not helping is the fact that im playing MC at the same time
11:50 Amaz XD
11:55 nman3600 Ma minetest won't close!!
11:56 lemonlake_ nman3600: task manager
11:56 nman3600 How do I open it?
11:56 lemonlake_ ctrl + alt + del
11:56 lemonlake_ open task manager
11:56 nman3600 I'm not stupid
11:56 lemonlake_ nman3600> How do I open it?
11:56 lemonlake_ I answered your question
11:58 Krock lemonlake_, it's easier to right click on the bar on bottom and starting it from there
11:58 lemonlake_ Krock: that's how I do it
11:58 lemonlake_ but everyone i see does the ctrl + alt + del method
11:58 lemonlake_ nobody understands how to right click a taskbar
11:59 Krock lemonlake_, you only can >see< nman :P
11:59 Krock therefore "everyone"
11:59 lemonlake_ excuse me?
11:59 lemonlake_ are you saying the only person i know is nman?
11:59 Krock no, I mean, the only person you see.
11:59 lemonlake_ no
11:59 lemonlake_ i don't see nman
11:59 lemonlake_ there's 3 rooms between us
11:59 Krock ah
12:00 Amaz XD
12:00 nman3600 xD
12:01 nman3600 Minetest stopped responding when I was playing.
12:01 nman3600 Now it won't close.
12:02 lemonlake_ ahh
12:02 lemonlake_ I had a similar thing back when I used webcammax
12:02 lemonlake_ if you can't terminate the process, then restart the PC
12:02 nman3600 Brb then.
12:02 lemonlake_ does anyone know what causes that?
12:03 lemonlake_ sometimes, when an application hangs, you can't terminate the process
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12:07 nman3600 Much better.
12:10 Krock [Win] + [R] -> cmd /k "taskkill /F /IM minetest.exe"
12:10 lemonlake_ Krock: No, even that wouldn't fix it
12:10 lemonlake_ The task is impossible to kill
12:10 Krock that's imposs
12:10 lemonlake_ I know. But I've tried.
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12:52 sfan5 hello world
12:53 lemonlake_ sfan5: hello
12:53 Amaz hello person
12:53 lemonlake_ im very pissed off at the dudes who made Clannad
12:53 Krock hello kitten
12:54 sfan5 lemonlake_: 9936ms ping to google.com, I'm surprised this even works
12:54 lemonlake_ sfan5: wat
12:55 sfan5 lemonlake_: i'm on vacation
12:55 sfan5 and theres no WiFi :(
12:55 lemonlake_ ahh
12:55 Krock 9936ms ping to google? where are you? on the moon? :P
12:56 sfan5 Krock: even the moon has better internet.. north germany at the sea
12:56 Krock ah, nice
12:57 lemonlake_ sfan5: you enjoying it?
12:57 Amaz ^
12:57 sfan5 I've only just come here
12:57 lemonlake_ ah lol
12:57 sfan5 but already know I don't like the internet connectivity
12:57 Krock you'll surely die without internat
12:58 lemonlake_ nah
12:58 Krock *internet
12:58 lemonlake_ people can live without internet
12:58 sfan5 yes
12:58 Krock lemonlake_, irony.
12:58 lemonlake_ Krock: yes, ironing is what some people have to do to their clothes and stuff
12:59 GhostDoge The snow is deeper than I thought https://i.chzbgr.com/maxW500/7860681728/hBB8CF595/
12:59 lemonlake_ when you have a live without internets
12:59 Krock I have Iron as browser and at -30km
12:59 lemonlake_ GhostDoge: poor kitteh
13:00 Krock GhostDoge, best ever.. I with ere would be that much snow, so I could do thesame
13:00 Krock *here
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13:01 * sfan5 licks lemonlake_
13:01 * lemonlake_ licks sfan5
13:02 Krock lemonlake_, go to the coast and shout something, sfan5 possibly hould hear it :P
13:02 lemonlake_ i can't shout that loud
13:02 Krock *could, damn typos
13:02 lemonlake_ i can't even talk that loud
13:02 * sfan5 purrs
13:02 Krock rrrr
13:08 lemonlake_ FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU​UUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCK
13:08 lemonlake_ I really gotta fix that shit...
13:08 lemonlake_ I have a fucked up USB port, and I just jogged the exhdd with my foot, causing ALL operations to terminate
13:08 Krock you can't fix shit
13:09 Krock try flush
13:09 lemonlake_ So now the backup compression is fucked, half the teracopy failed
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13:25 Jordach lemonlake_, y u use laptop
13:26 lemonlake_ Jordach: i no use laptop
13:26 lemonlake_ >:( stop assumptioning
13:28 lemonlake_ Jordach: what made you think I was using a laptop, anyway?
13:29 Jordach [14:08:52] <lemonlake_> I have a fucked up USB port, and I just jogged the exhdd with my foot, causing ALL operations to terminate
13:29 lemonlake_ yes?
13:29 lemonlake_ nothing there implies I'm on a laptop
13:29 Jordach laptop user issues :P
13:29 lemonlake_ the exhdd doesn't work in my usb hub
13:29 lemonlake_ and the only other free port is at the bottom of the pc, where i rest my foot
13:29 lemonlake_ s/foot/feet/
13:32 Krock There's a brown girl in the rain Schalala
13:32 lemonlake_ um
13:32 lemonlake_ ok
13:33 Krock (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mfT0mu7GlsI)
13:33 lemonlake_ oh its a song
13:33 Krock *ring
13:33 Krock :P
13:34 lemonlake_ im too bus listening to clannad songs
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13:35 lemonlake_ FUCK
13:35 lemonlake_ I DID IT AGAIN
13:35 Krock some ppl never learn it
13:35 lemonlake_ learn what?
13:35 Krock to not do what they did before, which caused problems
13:35 Krock or so..
13:36 lemonlake_ I didn't even touch it this time
13:36 Krock aha
13:36 lemonlake_ There was a door slam then suddenly I get bombarded with device detached/attached sounds
13:36 lemonlake_ (they spaz out when it happens)
13:39 Krock can't imagine what you just said but it sounds uninteresting
13:39 lemonlake_ it is
13:39 lemonlake_ its fucking annoying
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14:27 jp Jordach : the DirectX exporter in Blender isn't it a bit buggy ? Sometimes the meshes are not written in the .x file...
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14:33 VanessaE don't export to .x
14:34 VanessaE use any other format irrlicht supports.
14:34 reactor OldCoder: o/
14:34 Krock VanessaE, file size resons?
14:34 Krock +a
14:35 VanessaE Krock: that too
14:35 VanessaE .x is bloated
14:35 Krock hmm?
14:35 VanessaE other formats are about half the size of a .x
14:35 VanessaE for the same content
14:35 Krock yeah
14:35 GhostDoge Krock: It's also easier to export to b3d
14:36 Krock well, I'd like to see a player model where the feets are flipped
14:39 twoelk if everything else is better then why aren't all *.x modells converted to someting better so no one gets the impression *.x is recommended for MT
14:39 GhostDoge Flipped feet?
14:40 jp Vanessa : .x file are supported by Irrlicht.
14:41 VanessaE yes
14:41 VanessaE as are a number of other formads
14:41 VanessaE formats*
14:41 VanessaE don't use .x
14:41 VanessaE twoelk: inertia.
14:41 Krock GhostDoge, front images should be flipped from inside to outside
14:41 Krock lol sounds compicated
14:42 * twoelk looks up an unknown word
14:42 VanessaE twoelk: the tendency to keep moving in a certain direction and speed unless some outside force stops you
14:42 VanessaE (or changes your direction)
14:42 VanessaE also, the tendency to stay put unless something gives you a push
14:43 GhostDoge Krock: I have no idea what you are talking about :D
14:43 jp VanessaE : what's the better exporter for 3D animated files so ?
14:43 jp best*
14:43 twoelk ah "Traegheit der Masse" or just laziness, my main personal trait
14:44 Krock GhostDoge, look at the front of a player. the image of the left leg should be mirrored. same with right feet
14:44 VanessaE jp: .b3d I guess
14:44 VanessaE or .obj if they're not animated maybe
14:44 VanessaE I forget for sure
14:44 Krock GhostDoge, that's the difference from MC -> MT skins
14:44 jp Ok
14:45 VanessaE jp: there are several supported formats
14:47 jp I know...
14:48 twoelk didn't addi have this experimental page, where you could draw on a skin in realtime, no saving though iirc
14:48 twoelk was good to study what is where
14:48 GhostDoge Krock: I've seen this in MC and MT
14:48 Krock GhostDoge, hmm?
14:58 GhostDoge Krock: https://mediacru.sh/3755f4136c5e
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15:01 Vazon how do you give irc chat mod a name in your irc channel i can seem to get it right
15:02 Krock ^same with windows
15:02 Krock GhostDoge, great. that I meant
15:03 Krock ehm... 2 healthbars?
15:03 GhostDoge imo Minetest does it more correctly
15:03 GhostDoge Krock: I dunno how this happened
15:03 Krock :3
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15:19 twoelk GhostDoge, you could use this http://minetest.fensta.bplaced.net/editor.html to study which pixels end up where.
15:20 twoelk it seems to indicate feet and arms are indeed mirrored.
15:20 GhostDoge twoelk: this image already helps me already http://i.imgur.com/rVsZcTP.png
15:22 * twoelk makes a note to ask Jordach or whoever made the original, wether that pic can be used on the wiki
15:25 GhostDoge Krock: good news the b3d model used in BFD, your game and my game works like in minecraft
15:25 Krock GhostDoge, seems like I need to update my server's game :3
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15:32 * sfan5 meows at GhostDoge
15:33 lemonlake_ Aight.
15:34 lemonlake_ Anyone got additional opinions on xubuntu?
15:35 sfan5 opinions for what?
15:35 lemonlake_ Mainly, is it better than Mint?
15:35 lemonlake_ GhostDoge: that image has so much effort put into the face it's unbelievable
15:36 GhostDoge lemonlake_: you mean the cape here face?
15:37 lemonlake_ GhostDoge: yes
15:37 sfan5 lemonlake_: more up-to-date IIRC
15:37 lemonlake_ sfan5: aight, cos I'm burning the disc now and was wondering if anyone had any last moment 'o no it sucks' comments with a good reason why
15:37 GhostDoge lemonlake_: tell that Jordach :P
15:37 sfan5 lemonlake_: xubuntu is pretty good
15:38 sfan5 lemonlake_: which version? 14.04?
15:38 lemonlake_ sfan5: ya
15:39 crazyR sfan5: what could cause the mapper to produce a white image? al white
15:39 crazyR *all white
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15:40 * sfan5 yays at lemonlake_
15:40 sfan5 crazyR: python mapper or c++ mapper?
15:40 crazyR C++ one, most upto date as of last night
15:41 sfan5 hm
15:42 sfan5 crazyR: which arguments do you pass to the mapper?
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15:42 crazyR sfan5: --geometry -800:-800+1600+1600 --max-y 80
15:42 LemonLake jiometree
15:43 LemonLake Krock: two healthbars is a new feature in MC, it allows a mod/plugin/command block to give the player a lower/higher max health
15:43 sfan5 crazyR: did you try omitting --max-y 80?
15:44 crazyR yeah.
15:44 crazyR im just about to revert the colours file to the default one, just to see if that might be the cause
15:45 sfan5 try that
15:46 Calinou we don't need 2 health bars for that
15:46 Calinou we need configurable max health…
15:46 Calinou which is currently a #define
15:53 LemonLake okay, burning it now
15:53 crazyR whats the diffrence between the python mapper and the C++ mapper?
15:53 LemonLake crazyR: one is for hippies and one is for hippos
15:53 crazyR or should a say whats the benefits
15:53 LemonLake take your pick
15:53 GhostDoge Krock: there's something in my eye :P https://cdn.mediacru.sh/Yx5brJFKHfnE.png
15:53 sfan5 crazyR: c++ mapper is faster, supports more backends and has --drawalpha
15:54 LemonLake GhostDoge: ouch
15:54 Krock GhostDoge, much ouch, where's the blood?
15:54 LemonLake is that tinemest or raftcrime?
15:54 LemonLake s/tinemest/timenest/
15:55 GhostDoge LemonLake: raftcrime
15:55 LemonLake GhostDoge: ahh
15:57 crazyR C++ mapper is using 80-94% cpu is that normal?
15:57 sfan5 yes
15:57 sfan5 that is completly normal
15:58 crazyR :)
15:58 sfan5 if it uses more cpu it just means it does it's stuff faster
15:58 LemonLake aight
15:58 LemonLake im off to install this shit
15:58 * Krock wonders if is_ground_content has any use
15:58 LemonLake fafafaak
15:59 sfan5 Krock: I already answered that yesterday
15:59 Krock sfan5, possibly to someone else :3
15:59 Krock but I'll lok in the log
15:59 sfan5 Krock: yes, to someone elese
15:59 sfan5 else*
16:00 Krock 0 found at 2014-08-02 for word is_ground_content
16:01 GhostDoge Krock: https://github.com/minetest/minetes​t/blob/master/doc/lua_api.txt#L2394
16:01 Krock GhostDoge, yes I know but if I remove it, it won't change anything if I'm right
16:02 sfan5 Krock: the mapgen will carve through is_ground_content=true, nodes
16:02 sfan5 when e.g. making caves
16:03 Calinou successful troll: http://lichess.org/ioDCNskg/black#0
16:03 sfan5 !title
16:03 MinetestBot sfan5: omfg - Imgur
16:04 sfan5 how helpful
16:04 sfan5 I think I'm not going to open that with my unstable EDGE connection
16:04 Vazon can someone tell me how to give a irc mod server name??? it isnt working
16:04 sfan5 irc.nick maybe
16:05 sfan5 look in settings.lua
16:05 Vazon i did isnt working
16:05 sfan5 ask kaeza then
16:06 Vazon i still get thedefault random numbers
16:07 Calinou sfan5, it's a chess site, not many data
16:07 Calinou loads quickly here (I'm close to the server, located in France)
16:07 Calinou uses quite a lot of JavaScript of course
16:07 sfan5 Calinou: not even servers.minetest.net loads within 20 seconds..
16:08 Calinou heh
16:09 sfan5 !server meow
16:09 MinetestBot sfan5: Meowtest 0.4.10 "SEGFAULTY" | minetest.org:30018 | Clients: 19/25, 5/19 | Version: 0.4.10 / meowtest_game | Ping: 224ms
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16:09 sfan5 wow
16:09 sfan5 so many people
16:09 Calinou so many mobile client kids*
16:10 Vazon i wish there was a way to block mobile clients, my server has a ton of gui and pops and then they complain because they cant do anything
16:11 sfan5 Vazon: set the minimun required protocol version higher
16:11 Vazon i dont want to do that ether because i want people who use older versions of minetest on a desktop/laptops to still be able to play
16:11 rubenwardy Hi all!
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16:12 Calinou enforce protocol, disallow empty password, use no_guests or similar (enabled by default in Carbone)…
16:12 Calinou limit max accounts per player to 5 (names_per_ip)
16:12 LemonLake ohi calinou
16:12 Calinou you're probably good to go with that already
16:12 Calinou Vazon, updating to 0.4.10 is nothing hard
16:12 Calinou people who don't know how to compile on Ubuntu can use the PPA anyway
16:12 VanessaE if you can't be assed to use 0.4.10, sucks to be you.
16:12 Vazon Calinou: we are using 0.4.10 dev
16:13 rubenwardy Is there any way to detect it at all? Do mobile clients respond at all differently than desktops?
16:13 sfan5 Vazon: try setting the minimum protocol ver. just a bit higher
16:13 sfan5 it will not block the most client but the mobile ones
16:13 LemonLake i dun goofed
16:13 sfan5 rubenwardy: no way to detect, way to block them right now is just to require a higher version
16:14 sfan5 LemonLake: wat r u doin'?
16:14 LemonLake I dunno wat I'm doin
16:14 LemonLake This makes senses of none to me
16:14 sfan5 what is your problem?
16:14 LemonLake Calinou mount point was /home yes?
16:15 Calinou yes, for your /home partition, which you shouldn't set as format
16:15 LemonLake Umm
16:16 Calinou rubenwardy, probably not, but you could add a parkour at server spawn (and add maptools:kill around to kill people who fly)
16:16 LemonLake No, its all in one partition
16:16 Calinou shouldn't be too hard
16:16 Calinou the parkour would be ridiculously hard to do on a mobile client
16:16 LemonLake Should I format that entire partition?
16:16 sfan5 Calinou: are you aware that damage if client-side?
16:16 sfan5 LemonLake: depends
16:16 Calinou sfan5, yes, but I don't know of any mobile client that disables damage that way
16:16 Calinou there are fly hacks
16:16 sfan5 do you want to loose all data on your hdd?
16:16 Calinou but god-mode? not sure
16:16 Calinou then format it, mount point /, type ext4
16:16 LemonLake No, of course not
16:16 Calinou LemonLake, if it's one partition, you can't keep it.
16:17 Calinou also have a swap partition around.
16:17 LemonLake Yeah, I've got a backup
16:17 Calinou (should be the size of your RAM, or slightly more)
16:17 LemonLake I think there's already one from mint
16:17 LemonLake I'll give y'all a scree shot of this, hold up
16:18 sfan5 LemonLake: I'd suggest 3 partitions: ext4, /, about 16GB; ext4, /home, all of the space; swap, 1GB, -;
16:18 * GhostDoge wonders LemonLake is doing
16:18 Calinou separate /home is less smart than you think
16:18 LemonLake https://mediacru.sh/WpF2D4Zuyphb
16:18 Calinou what if you run out of / (16 GB isn't that large)?
16:19 Calinou will you really upgrade by reinstalling? (hint: that's stupid)
16:19 Calinou LemonLake, uh, all stretched around screen
16:19 LemonLake Yea
16:19 Calinou so you don't have separate /home partition
16:19 LemonLake No
16:19 Calinou so format it as ext4, mount point /
16:19 LemonLake Yep
16:19 Calinou Samsung HD204UI! I had that disk before
16:20 LemonLake So is that all correct?
16:20 sfan5 Calinou: you can move partitions
16:20 sfan5 Calinou: and I did not even get above 8GB / partition
16:20 Calinou /dev/sda1           29G    8,2G   20G  30% /
16:20 Calinou this is my / partition currently
16:20 Calinou but next time, I won't separate /home, it has no point
16:21 sfan5 /dev/sda6        20G     11G  8,7G   55% /
16:21 sfan5 mine
16:21 sfan5 seperate /home is a good idea
16:21 Amaz Why?
16:22 LemonLake I repeat
16:22 Calinou in theory, it's meant to help you in case you switch distro; in practice, any serious user will have regular backups of their important data somewhere else (you should) and you can upgrade using in-distribution tools.
16:22 Calinou so, apart from complicating your life because you have to guess how much space your /home and / will use…
16:22 * Calinou shrugs
16:22 Amaz LemonLake, it all seems correct.
16:23 Amaz Right!
16:23 LemonLake Gdgd
16:23 Vazon Calinou: is it possible to add another row or and other page to the circlular saw?? because i have added 3 new blocks and im out of room to expand more lol
16:23 sfan5 Calinou: guess? pff. 32GB / and the rest /home will be enough for (almost) everyone
16:23 Amaz 2 tb disc... Nice!
16:23 LemonLake I'm trusting y'all
16:23 sfan5 Calinou: and it's not just switchting distros, but reinstalling too
16:24 * Amaz is somewhat worried...
16:24 Calinou sfan5, yes, see what I said about upgrading/reinstalling
16:24 * sfan5 curls up to Amazs lap
16:24 Calinou Amaz, there are 6 TB discs now
16:24 Calinou expensive, some of them use helium instead of air
16:24 LemonLake ^
16:24 Amaz Wow.
16:24 Calinou (makes them very quiet at idle, noisy at load)
16:24 * Amaz is behind on the times
16:25 sfan5 Amaz: 'what? You don't use M-RAM yet?'
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16:25 Amaz M-RAM???
16:25 sfan5 !g M-RAM wikipedia
16:25 MinetestBot sfan5: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magn​etoresistive_random-access_memory
16:26 Amaz Never heard of it till today.
16:27 Calinou sfan5, a SSD with V-NAND was recently released
16:28 Calinou (vertically stacked)
16:28 sfan5 ssd is too pricey
16:30 * Amaz pets sfan5
16:30 * sfan5 purrs
16:31 LemonLake Okay
16:32 LemonLake Let's do this
16:32 LemonLake Window title changed to "something else"... Genius
16:34 * sfan5 meows at LemonLake
16:40 Calinou sfan5, that one is insanely expensive, Samsung being high as usual
16:40 Calinou there's twice as cheap, heh
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17:29 Krock yay! unicorn!
17:29 * Calinou gives Rarity to Krock
17:29 * Krock gives https://raw.githubusercontent.com/minetest​/minetest_game/master/mods/doors/init.lua to Calinou
17:30 Calinou Error 503 backend read error
17:30 Calinou backend read error
17:30 Krock try refresh to get unicorn :)
17:30 Krock chance is at ~50%
17:34 GhostDoge Krock: that's because github uses unicorn ;)
17:34 Krock yes sure
17:34 GhostDoge Krock: https://github.com/blog/517-unicorn
17:35 Krock :)
17:35 Krock unicorn workers
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17:41 * GhostDoge prefers thin over unicorn
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17:43 LazyJ o/ kaeza
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17:44 kaeza \o
17:44 crazyR sfan5: sorry for the delay i had to go out. just got back and even with the default colours file i get the same white image
17:44 kaeza afternoons
17:45 crazyR hi kaeza
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17:48 lemonlake_ hey hey hey
17:49 LemonLake I must say, xubuntu is really cool
17:49 Amaz It all worked?
17:50 LemonLake jas
17:51 Amaz :)
17:51 * GhostDoge happily barks at LemonLake
17:52 LemonLake I don't have the same feeling as when I first installed a linux on this machine but I still really like this
17:52 LemonLake Right now I'm at the part that takes a few hours: styling, settinging and installing
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18:11 rubenwardy Back!
18:12 jp Hi rubenwardy.
18:12 GhostDoge !kcaB
18:14 jp rubenwardy : could you add a function in NBE which can create straight (even in diagonal), and then the program turn these lines into the smaller aligned micro-cuboids as possible ?
18:14 jp straight lines*
18:15 Amaz ^
18:15 PenguinDad
18:18 LemonLake
18:18 Calinou <LemonLake> I must say, xubuntu is really cool
18:18 LemonLake Also a setting to define division.
18:18 Calinou everything I recommend tends to be cool, of course.
18:18 Calinou it's magic
18:18 LemonLake i.e. 1/8 = 8 microcubes for a diagonal of a node
18:18 LemonLake Calinou: indeed
18:18 LemonLake though I can't find a setting for scrollwheel speed, and neither can google
18:18 Calinou even when I recommend hardware, it happens
18:19 LemonLake that's a huge turn off, it's slow
18:19 LemonLake as
18:19 LemonLake hell
18:19 Calinou default (3 lines) is pretty standard
18:19 Calinou get a mouse with unlockable mouse wheel :P
18:19 Calinou like G500
18:19 LemonLake usually I use 5 lines
18:19 Calinou (you can push a button to make the mouse wheel scroll indefinitely)
18:19 Calinou very useful for coders and log browsers
18:20 rubenwardy Sounds like this: https://github.com/rubenwar​dy/NodeBoxEditor/issues/55
18:20 PenguinDad My scroll speed is 4.5 lines
18:21 LemonLake rubenwardy, if you could add that then I'd be happy to make a script for microcuboid lines ;)
18:21 rubenwardy XD
18:21 rubenwardy Bye all, I gtg
18:21 LemonLake kk
18:22 Amaz Calinou: The Light Table text editor you sort of recommended is really cool.
18:22 jp My question was not enough clear or ...?
18:22 LemonLake jp, what question?
18:22 LemonLake the NBE one?
18:22 jp yes
18:22 LemonLake <rubenwardy> Sounds like this: https://github.com/rubenwar​dy/NodeBoxEditor/issues/55
18:22 LemonLake <LemonLake> rubenwardy, if you could add that then I'd be happy to make a script for microcuboid lines ;)
18:23 Calinou Amaz, yes, but hard to configure… have to edit a file by hand to specify font parameters
18:23 jp quite elusive...
18:23 LemonLake jp: why?
18:23 LemonLake it's waaay easier than you think :P
18:24 Calinou Amaz, at least its defualt syntax highlighting doesn't make comments look like useless cruft
18:24 Amaz Right,
18:24 Calinou unlike Atom
18:29 LemonLake How would I make my secondary 'drive' automatically mount?
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18:33 Calinou LemonLake, ask in #ubuntu or #xfce probably
18:33 Calinou no idea
18:34 LemonLake oo, cfdisk looks fancy
18:34 LemonLake maybe it has a setting
18:34 Calinou cfdisk is to partition MBR tables.
18:34 Calinou has nothing to do with automatic mounting
18:34 Calinou LemonLake, maybe look at /etc/fstab though
18:37 LemonLake well um
18:37 LemonLake oops
18:37 LemonLake i worked out the command to mount it and it's kinda in the wrong place :/
18:42 LemonLake okay, edited fstab
18:42 LemonLake brb
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18:44 LemonLake okay....
18:44 LemonLake mounting worked...hexchat started without a theme...second monitor didn't autostart
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18:54 LemonLake An sh with the command 'sleep' solves everything >:)
18:58 Calinou LemonLake, theme? I don't seem to see anything theming-related on my HexChat
18:58 LemonLake not necessarily theme
18:58 LemonLake it just looked like windows classic
18:58 LemonLake probably because the window manager hadn't started at the time hexchat had
19:01 * sfan5 meows at LemonLake
19:01 * LemonLake meows at sfan5
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19:10 * GTRsdk nyans at sfan5
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19:11 * sfan5 nynas at GTRsdk
19:12 * PenguinDad looks at GTRsdk
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19:16 GTRsdk so I think the best valued VPS for the money
19:16 GTRsdk is Vultr
19:16 GTRsdk so minetest should run real well for just $5
19:16 sfan5 how about digitalocean?
19:16 GTRsdk sfan5, I compared Vultr Chicacho vs DigitalOcean San Francisco, and Vultr CPUs are 2x the speed
19:17 GTRsdk and iirc Vultr gives more RAM for the $5
19:17 crazyR im using ramnode but they're a bit pricey
19:17 GTRsdk yeah 768 MB vs 512 MB
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19:18 * sfan5 purrs
19:18 crazyR oh sfan did you get my message earlier?
19:18 sfan5 which one?
19:18 crazyR (6:44:13 PM) crazyR: sfan5: sorry for the delay i had to go out. just got back and even with the default colours file i get the same white image <--
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19:18 GTRsdk I've never tried ramnode, but it seems that Vultr is cheaper
19:19 GTRsdk I'm curious how many people I could get on a $5 Vultr....
19:19 crazyR since then i removed the mapper fully and redownloaded and compiles, but still getting white image
19:19 sfan5 crazyR: can you file a bug?
19:19 crazyR yeah sure :)
19:19 sfan5 GTRsdk: 10, 15 max. unmodded
19:27 crazyR sfan5: https://github.com/minetes​t/minetestmapper/issues/11  let me know if you need more info or more testing
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19:30 GTRsdk sfan5, I'll try 20 (once I get into position for running Vultr stuff real quick) then lol
19:30 GTRsdk since it is on SSDs and stuff
19:31 EvergreenTree mew
19:32 PenguinDad Hi EvergreenTree
19:54 LemonLake mo
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19:58 kzz how do you run MT server>
19:58 kzz ?
19:58 Calinou kzz, to run a server in your client: go to Server tab
19:59 Calinou to start dedicated: http://wiki.minetest.net/Setting_up_a_server
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20:08 sfan5 GTRsdk: depends mostly on the cpu
20:21 LemonLake lua/build/liblua.a(loslib.o): In function `os_tmpname':
20:21 LemonLake loslib.c:(.text+0x29c): warning: the use of `tmpnam' is dangerous, better use `mkstemp'
20:21 LemonLake y
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20:34 VanessaE kaeza: *poke*
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21:18 Calinou TIL about Meld (graphical diff viewer)
21:19 kzz how to get wool>?
21:19 VanessaE grow cotton
21:19 VanessaE harvest it for string
21:19 VanessaE craft 4 string in a sqaure
21:19 VanessaE square*
21:20 Calinou or shear a sheep found in Simple Mobs
21:20 Calinou (right click)
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21:20 Calinou much, much easier
21:20 VanessaE h yes, forgot about that
21:20 kzz how to get shear?
21:21 VanessaE no clue :P
21:21 Calinou right click a sheep
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21:23 kzz Calinou, no need for a tool?
21:23 kzz that's too easy
21:24 LemonLake kzz: are you an avid minecraft fan or something?
21:24 LemonLake you shouldn't necessarily be comparing mt to mc
21:24 kzz yeap
21:25 LemonLake while one is based on the other, they're different games
21:25 LemonLake mt is not an 'alternative'
21:25 kzz but not just that, in general I prefer a game that is hard to "win" (or in this case, to survive and reach goals)
21:25 LemonLake then be more unique with your suggestions
21:25 LemonLake or make your own game
21:25 Calinou kzz, oh, try to beat monsters
21:25 Calinou they have more health than you, deal 4-7 damage
21:25 Calinou Carbone is faster to play than minetest_game, but harder
21:26 Calinou it isn't about unemployment
21:26 kzz unempl?
21:27 * PenguinDad looks at BFD
21:29 Calinou TL;DR I hate it when such games take too much time to be played
21:29 Calinou so I made it faster to dig stuff, to craft stuff, to obtain stuff… to focus on building and fighting more
21:30 LemonLake who wants a song?
21:32 LemonLake nobody? k
21:36 Exio4 poor LemonLake
21:37 LemonLake Exio4: nobody likes me :(
21:37 * Exio4 hugs LemonLake
21:38 LemonLake Exio4: but srsly i found a thing
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21:39 PenguinDad LemonLake: Show it to me! :)
21:39 LemonLake PenguinDad: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?lis​t=PLUx5IGGYkmq_bmL3LvEUil1wo-uOmRIS9
21:40 LemonLake for the majority of melodies these dudes make, there are 3-7 variations
21:40 LemonLake it scares me :(
21:40 kaeza VanessaE, ow
21:41 VanessaE kaeza: standby :)
21:41 kzz would it be hard to make the text appear on signs? that would be nice
21:42 VanessaE kzz: homedecor, signs_lib
21:42 LemonLake kzz: it's been done
21:42 VanessaE (which I happen to be working on right now)
21:42 kzz can I use that in Carbon?
21:42 kaeza !rainbow with colurz
21:42 MinetestBot 4wi7th8 c3olur6z
21:42 VanessaE good question.
21:50 crazyR VanessaE what you currently doing with the homedecor signs?
21:53 kzz any hunger mod? working with Carbon
21:53 PenguinDad crazyR: I guess she's going to use these additions now https://github.com/minetest/minetest/commi​t/5884236046c4405eec7cfc12cdde0be9f48058b6
21:55 crazyR kool, would be cool if lua could use gd onthe fly, the possibilities would be endless
21:55 crazyR actually it can: http://ittner.github.io/lua-gd/
21:55 crazyR thinks im gunna look into it
21:56 Calinou kzz, better_hud may or may not work
21:56 Calinou https://forum.minetest.net/v​iewtopic.php?f=11&amp;t=6342
21:56 LemonLake anyone got any ideas for factory?
21:56 Calinou far from perfect anyway (drains hunger even when AFK, quite fast)
21:56 Calinou it's Carbone, not Carbon BTW
21:56 LemonLake Calinou: how pronounce that? exactly as spelled?
21:56 kzz yeah testing that one now, Calinou
21:56 VanessaE crazyR: texture and dimension fixups
21:56 LemonLake like car bone
21:56 VanessaE nothing major
21:57 Calinou LemonLake, like you'd spell “carbon”
21:57 Calinou same way
21:57 Calinou it has an e, because it's a French word
21:57 LemonLake oh, so said exactly like carbon?
21:57 Calinou yes
21:57 LemonLake ahh
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23:40 kaeza jebus... greek mythology can give you bad dreams
23:41 kaeza if you think a snake talking a human into eating an apple, or an old man going to kill his son because a voice told him is weird, imagine someone raping an ant https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Myrmidon_(hero)
23:54 VanessaE kaeza: check homedecor git.  opionions?
23:54 VanessaE -o
23:54 VanessaE Sokomine: check also; the textures should be much easier to read.
23:55 VanessaE site effect: some signs may have to be dug and re-placed because the models have changed slightly, requiring the text to be repositioned.
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23:55 VanessaE (idk, might not actually be necessary)
23:56 kaeza seems good

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