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00:02 Jordach Blender Armature Porn: http://vimeo.com/89889901 [SFW]
00:12 Eivel nice
00:13 Eivel okay, time for me to go to sleep. Thanks for help, Jordach.
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00:57 fling Is not unified_inventory working with minetest_game?
00:58 fling or do I need to install it on the client and not on the servrer?
00:59 VanessaE all mods are server-side.
01:00 VanessaE what doesn't work about it?
01:00 VanessaE I use it on a couple of my servers without any issue
01:00 VanessaE (of course I use it as part of my own game, which was based on an older minetest_game)
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01:12 fling VanessaE: I have installed minetest_game with removed creative and installed a single unified_inventory mod on the server
01:12 fling VanessaE: I see the regular inventory on the client
01:12 fling in server log -> Unified Inventory. inventory size: 193
01:12 VanessaE did you enable the new mod?
01:12 fling yes
01:13 VanessaE how did you install the mod exactly?
01:13 fling the same way I installed all other mods
01:13 fling with gentoo portage ebuild ;P
01:13 VanessaE which would be....?
01:14 fling http://bpaste.net/show/496187/
01:15 VanessaE minetest 0.4.4??
01:15 fling yes it depends on minetest-0.4.4 or newer
01:16 VanessaE unified inventory won't work on anything older than 0.4.9
01:16 fling ok, fixing
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01:18 VanessaE in fact, I'm pretty sure some features need 0.4.10
01:18 VanessaE such as waypoints
01:18 fling I'm using 0.4.10-10-g24a631e-dirty
01:18 VanessaE that's certainly new enough
01:19 VanessaE where'd you get UI from?
01:19 fling umm?
01:19 VanessaE Unified Inventory?
01:19 VanessaE where'd you fetch it from?
01:20 fling I don't get
01:20 VanessaE well you installed it
01:20 VanessaE you must have got it from somewhere :P
01:20 fling ohhh
01:21 fling ebuild is downloading it from github using git
01:21 fling and installing the latest master
01:21 fling anyway I even tried to install by hand from zip file
01:21 fling and to copy from technic game
01:21 VanessaE oh yeah
01:21 fling still nothing :>
01:21 fling and notice I see it loaded in server log
01:22 VanessaE have you tried it with an older copy of minetest_game?
01:22 VanessaE say from about 2-3 weeks ago?
01:22 fling I have not, will try…
01:22 fling I want to first try upgrading clients :>
01:23 fling I'm about to create snapshot packages of everything after I get it working
01:23 fling I'm currently packaging master head things
01:26 fling client upgrade does not help hmm hmmm
01:34 fling how to get 0.4.10-25 or 0.4.10-24 from git?
01:34 fling where are these sub-versions stored?
01:35 fling VanessaE: I don't see unified_inventory with 0.4.10 :|
01:38 VanessaE -25?
01:38 VanessaE are you sure you're even running Minetest?
01:38 VanessaE that sounds like a Freeminer version number
01:39 Exio don't tell you're using freeminer fling
01:39 Exio DON'T
01:39 VanessaE where are you getting "minetest" from?
01:39 * Exio takes the katana and looks at fling
01:41 * VanessaE looks at fling
01:41 * shadowzone looks at fling since everyone else is
01:42 Exio fling, you're trapped, TALK NOW!
01:42 shadowzone O.O
01:42 shadowzone Poor fling.
01:42 Exio 3 vs 1
01:42 fling I'm not using freeminer
01:42 Exio ok
01:42 * Exio hugs fling and throws the katana away
01:43 fling get a minetest client from git master head and look at the left top corner
01:43 VanessaE fling: thank goodness.  however, -25 and so on is not part of any version number in minetest.
01:43 fling VanessaE: there are version number ^
01:43 VanessaE no sir.  they are not.
01:43 VanessaE it's either 0.4.10 or it'll have a git commit ID on iy
01:43 VanessaE it*
01:44 VanessaE mine has a -26- in it for example, but that's not a version identifier
01:45 fling http://mirror.dno.so/incoming/screenshots/mi​netest/2014.07.25-08%3a43%3a46.807442775.png
01:45 fling left top corner ^
01:45 VanessaE not sure what the significance is of the number but ignore it.
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01:45 VanessaE just git pull if you're out of date.
01:45 fling I just want to package older versions too (between 0.4.10 and head)
01:46 VanessaE don't.
01:46 VanessaE anything older than 0.4.10 is outdated.
01:46 shadowzone Word up VanessaE!
01:46 fling newer than 0.4.10 and older than head
01:46 VanessaE oh derp
01:46 VanessaE well for that you'll have to just git checkout the commits you want to base your releases on
01:47 fling but I don't want commits since I see nice version numbers here
01:47 VanessaE those aren't version numbers.
01:47 fling 0.4.10-25 for example
01:47 fling anyway I like these numbers :D
01:47 fling they are revisions or something
01:48 VanessaE they might be build numbers specific to your box
01:48 fling doh I need to investigate
01:48 VanessaE but they aren't version numbers.
01:48 fling ok so unified_invertory is not working :<
01:49 VanessaE that part you've got me lost on.  except to try an older version of minetest_game
01:49 VanessaE also, try dreambuilder_game - unified inventory is used in there and it works fine.
01:49 fling and it works just fine as a part of technic game!
01:50 VanessaE weird.
01:50 fling might please someone try to confirm it is not just working with minetest game?
01:50 VanessaE in dreambuilder, I merely copied it into place.  simple as that.
01:50 fling I want someone to install minetest game with creative removed and install this single mod
01:50 shadowzone It works with mine.
01:51 VanessaE but it's based on an older version of minetest_game
01:51 VanessaE (pre-minetest_next)
01:51 fling shadowzone: are you using latest? what mods are installed?
01:51 fling what if I don't understand something?
01:52 fling how is unified_inventory working?
01:52 shadowzone yes latestgit, unified iventory along with piepworks,moreblocks and homedecor.
01:52 fling will I just see craft guide and/or other fancy things after I just install and enable it?
01:52 shadowzone The last 3 listed are for fin.
01:52 shadowzone Other fancy things if you do it right.
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01:53 VanessaE fling: if installed and enabled, you will see a whole different inventory from the beginning
01:53 fling what fancy things?
01:54 * fling is disabling to compare…
01:54 shadowzone fling: Just go get it and you'll see it's hard to explain.
01:54 fling shadowzone: the problem is I have it and I don't see it
01:55 fling server says -> Unified Inventory. inventory size: 196
01:55 fling but nothing new in the inventory on client
01:55 shadowzone Here take a screenshot of it and send the screenshot to me I've used unified inventory.
01:58 fling shadowzone: http://mirror.dno.so/incoming/screenshots/mi​netest/2014.07.25-08%3a57%3a00.746855171.png
01:58 shadowzone Hmm.
01:59 shadowzone I wonder why it ain't working.
02:00 VanessaE doesn't make any sense at all..
02:00 fling try installing minetest, minetest_game, unified_inventory from latest head and confirm it is working/non-working please :P
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02:00 fling without any other mods!
02:00 shadowzone I got to go.
02:01 VanessaE I still say try it with an older minetest_game
02:01 VanessaE go back say 2 or so weeks, before minetest_next was merged
02:01 fling VanessaE: I have installed 0.4.10 and it does not help
02:02 VanessaE not the engine.
02:02 VanessaE I mean minetest_game.
02:02 fling I'm talking about minetest_game
02:02 VanessaE minetest_game does not have a version number.
02:02 fling https://github.com/minetest/minetest_game/tags
02:02 VanessaE huh.  well I guess they do :P
02:02 VanessaE still, go a little older.
02:03 fling doing
02:10 fling VanessaE: yay! working with 0.4.9 :>
02:11 VanessaE you mean minetest_game
02:11 fling yes
02:11 VanessaE ok that answers that much
02:11 fling where to bugreport? minetes_game or unified_inventory? or both? :D
02:11 VanessaE file a bug against unified inventory
02:11 Exio https://gist.github.com/quchen/5280339 hahahaha
02:11 Exio !title
02:11 MinetestBot AttributeError: 'NoneType' object has no attribute 'strip' (file "/home/user/mtbot/modules/title.py", line 13, in title)
02:11 Exio .
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02:14 Miner_48er troubleshooting steps for lag increasing over time?
02:15 fling VanessaE: thanks for help :P
02:15 VanessaE at least we got to the bottom of it.
02:16 VanessaE sorta :)
02:16 fling btw there are missing textures "technic_template_replacer.png" and "technic_template_tool.png"
02:18 Exio did anyone check that gist?
02:18 Vazon VanessaE: Do you have any suggestions to fix my lag problem, the cpu and network is fine, the lag continues the increase over a short period of time and we have removed mesecons and technic ( the 2 big mods the server runs)
02:19 VanessaE Vazon: no, I have no idea either :-/
02:20 Vazon mhmmmm
02:20 VanessaE except that my Vanilla and FFA servers have been plagued by lag too lately
02:20 VanessaE ever since the switch to minetest_next
02:20 VanessaE but theirs is a high-CPU-usage issue
02:21 VanessaE I may roll them back to an older version soon
02:21 Vazon Minetest is laggy altogether even with no mods installed, i had no problems back in 0.4.8
02:21 VanessaE 0.4.10-git is really fast now
02:21 VanessaE but the game content is getting slow for some reason
02:21 fling Vazon: latest is fast here
02:22 Vazon mhmmmm
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02:26 Zeno` well, I have a suspicion as to why the game content is getting slow
02:27 VanessaE ?
02:27 Zeno` it's because of the loops in l_get_data() and l_set_data() and related voxel manip and noise functions (at the Lua API level they are converted to/from C arrays to Lua tables, which requires a pretty slow loop)
02:28 VanessaE explain?>
02:28 Zeno` I'm writing a feature request now that might explain it better :)
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02:30 Zeno` But in a nutshell, although the voxel manip functions are fast, they are nowhere near as fast as working with raw data. Because the internal data has to be converted to a Lua table this requires a loop, so very fast functions like memcpy() (which on x86 at least uses a CPU intrinsic function/microcode and therefore blazingly fast compared to a loop)
02:32 Zeno` With most (all?) of the mapgen stuff now in Lua we, IMO, need some extra functions so that raw data can be accessed and passed to C/C++ from Lua
02:33 Zeno` 4 or 5 new functions and it would be possible to write speed critical code in C or C++ called from Lua. As it is at the moment though, any C "extension" needs to work with Lua tables and the Lua stack which is *slow* (compared to plain old data)
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02:46 Zeno` these are both O(n): http://codepad.org/cpUzhjUP and http://codepad.org/w5D341HN. The first executes in 0.018s, the second in .006s although they do the same thing. The first is more like what has to be done to get data to/from Lua
02:47 Zeno` It doesn't make much difference in singleplayer (well, it's noticeable for me at least but anyway) but as soon as you have 10-20 players and lots of mapgen going on those small differences add up
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03:35 fling How to import schematics from minecraft?
03:36 fling the problem is they may contain unknown blocks
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04:31 ShadowNinja fling: sfan5 wrote a converter for MCEdit schematics.
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06:32 fling Is not 3d_armor working with unified_inventory?
06:33 fling looks like it is working…
06:39 RealBadAngel fling UI has simple api so mods like 3d armor can be easily added
06:40 RealBadAngel https://github.com/minetest-technic/unifie​d_inventory/blob/master/waypoints.lua#L21
06:40 RealBadAngel https://github.com/minetest-technic/unifie​d_inventory/blob/master/waypoints.lua#L111
06:40 fling great
06:40 RealBadAngel thats all whats needed for a mod to add itself to UI
06:41 RealBadAngel just register the page and a button
06:46 fling does not minetest need .blend files? but .x instead?
06:46 RealBadAngel .x models are used
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06:50 RealBadAngel fling, also you may find this interesting: https://code.google.com/p/tubras/wiki/irrb
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06:59 fling RealBadAngel: looks good
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07:14 fling Why are there six slots for armor in 3d_armor mod?
07:15 fling 1. helmet; 2. chestplate; 3. leggings; 4. boots; 5. shield
07:15 fling what is the sixth item? :P
07:17 * fling just broke one of old bones blocks
07:17 fling why can't I break bones bloks anymore? both old and fresh
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07:26 fling how much threads are used by server by the default?
07:39 sfan5 meow
07:39 sfan5 hi everyone
07:40 sfan5 fling: 1 server thread (you can't change that), <number of cores> emerge threads
07:40 sfan5 IIRC
07:40 fling ohh
07:40 fling what are emerge threads doing?
07:40 sfan5 reading the world from disk
07:41 fling Why are my bones unbreakable? :P
07:41 sfan5 you can only break them if you own them
07:41 sfan5 if you own them and can't break them it's a bug
07:42 fling connect mt0.dno.so please
07:48 sfan5 ok
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08:02 sfan5 fling: http://meow.minetest.net/nobones.tar.gz
08:03 fling thanks
08:04 fling no repo?
08:04 fling description/license?
08:06 sfan5 license: same as original bones mod
08:06 sfan5 no repo
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08:51 sfan5 MinetestBot!
08:51 MinetestBot sfan5!
08:52 MinetestBot GIT: sfan5 commited to minetest/minetest: Don't include cmake_config_githash.h into files that don't need it 5357a17 2014-07-25T10:48:03+02:00 http://git.io/AS5_nA
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09:00 sfan5 !op
09:00 sfan5 !mute
09:00 sfan5 lol
09:00 sfan5 just as I thought
09:00 sfan5 !unmute
09:01 sfan5 !deop
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09:03 raffahacks0 trying to use irc from my ereader!
09:03 sfan5 pong
09:03 raffahacks0 lol quite buggy
09:04 ThatGraemeGuy mmm
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09:04 raffahacks0 using experimental browser on kobo aura
09:05 Calinou ah, webchat
09:05 Calinou I doubt there are specific IRC clients for an e-reader :P
09:05 ThatGraemeGuy http://pastebin.com/Nrx9YQCS, this is from minetest_game, what is the purpose of defining the ore twice with the same height range but different distribution parameters?
09:06 sfan5 ThatGraemeGuy: to have different sizes of ore veins appear
09:06 ThatGraemeGuy in the same height range
09:07 Calinou large ore patches + small ore patches
09:07 Calinou for more diversity
09:07 ThatGraemeGuy ok
09:07 Calinou Carbone even has huge ore patches for coal and iron :D
09:07 sfan5 and diamond
09:07 ThatGraemeGuy so when a chunk is generated it picks one of those randomly?
09:08 sfan5 zero, one of them or even both
09:08 sfan5 more than one ore type can be in 1 chunk
09:08 ThatGraemeGuy yes of course
09:08 ThatGraemeGuy but the code i pasted is for the same ore
09:09 sfan5 ore type = ore definition
09:09 Calinou I've been planning to make a Minecraft-like game, but not sure how to do it
09:10 Calinou make it a subset of Carbone using settings? or make it an entirely different game?
09:10 Calinou the latter sounds easier, but more tedious to maintain
09:10 ThatGraemeGuy ok, so its normal to have 2 different definitions for an ore at the same height range
09:10 ThatGraemeGuy that's what threw me
09:10 ThatGraemeGuy thanks
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09:16 nman3600 Hiya
09:16 nman3600 If you have a flag suggestion for my mod either Query me or just say the flag name and mention me.
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09:33 markv Hey nman3600!
09:33 nman3600 markv!!!!!!!
09:33 nman3600 I've missed ya.
09:33 markv me too :(
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10:06 markv PowerKiller, No _OFF nicks please
10:10 PowerKiller 'k
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10:12 fling markv: what is wrong with _OFF ?
10:12 sfan5 fling: http://sackheads.org/~bnaylor/spew/away_msgs.html
10:12 markv As long as it's not automatic, it's fine
10:13 markv ...
10:13 markv That is exactly what's wrong with _OFF
10:14 sfan5 <markv> As long as it's not automatic, it's fine
10:14 sfan5 even non-automatic is annoying
10:14 markv fling, Your point is invalid
10:14 markv Wait
10:14 * markv acknowledges fling != sfan5
10:15 fling ok
10:15 * sfan5 meows at fling
10:15 fling I have auto away enabled
10:15 markv Same
10:15 markv Not on my client though
10:15 fling but it is just using '/away …' without changing my nickname :>
10:15 sfan5 fling: auto-away is ok, but not writing messages into the... yeah
10:16 fling and listening to is stupid too
10:16 * fling is now listening to Private.avi
10:16 markv Also i have custom CTCP replies enables
10:16 fling whoops
10:16 markv Try WTF VERSION BLARG
10:16 sfan5 >.avi
10:16 markv WIll add that one
10:17 fling add where?
10:17 sfan5 znc probably
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10:17 markv Le done
10:17 markv Yup, ZNC
10:18 markv client is a lot faster tho...
10:18 markv Meow le done
10:19 fling Are you guys using 'moreores' ?
10:19 fling or ony other mod adding custom ores?
10:20 markv Personally, I still use the old moreores
10:20 * markv remembers he doesn't actually play minetest
10:20 markv fling, Gloopores may be worth a try
10:20 sfan5 gloopores is outdated
10:21 markv idk any more
10:21 fling so moreores is better one right?
10:21 sfan5 fling: I use birthstones (with diamond disabled because it's already in default) on Meowtest https://forum.minetest.net/v​iewtopic.php?f=11&amp;t=3663
10:21 Calinou moreores is also obsolete
10:21 markv imo, yes
10:21 sfan5 ^
10:21 Calinou Carbone has most of More Ores
10:21 fling what about Better HUD? -> https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=6342
10:22 fling is it good if I want to add hunger?
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10:23 fling Calinou: do you mean carbone game?
10:24 Calinou yes
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10:26 fling is it possible to add translations everywhere?
10:27 Calinou translations of mods are purely server-side
10:27 Calinou so they're discouraged for multiplayer
10:27 fling What about a huge locale database for minetest?
10:27 fling so mods will use nls strings from the database
10:27 sfan5 something like that is a TODO
10:27 Calinou still server-side.
10:28 fling sfan5: I can translate to 100% Russian, 80% Ukrainian, 10% Korean :D
10:28 fling 안녕
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10:29 sfan5 o/ PenguinDad
10:29 fling PenguinDad: Hello.
10:30 PenguinDad hey sfan5 and fling
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10:31 sfan5 fling: if our translation interface were online you could help translating core stuff
10:33 PenguinDad meow :3 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=38zCjoBxT3I
10:34 fling sfan5: ping me :D
10:35 sfan5 omg so cut3 PenguinDad
10:36 sfan5 wtf is the dog doing
10:38 PenguinDad I dunno what the shibe is doing
10:38 sfan5 !tell Jordach https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=38zCjoBxT3I
10:38 MinetestBot sfan5: I'll pass that on when Jordach is around
10:38 sfan5 <3 MinetestBot
10:39 MinetestBot <3 sfan5
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11:03 Calinou https://gitorious.org/calinou/craftbone → Initial commit! Based on Carbone, provides gameplay to Minecraft (or at least tries to). Has similar textures (not the same, but they use the similar colours)..
11:03 Calinou currently, inventory 2 × 2 crafting looks broken
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11:18 markv Hello everybody!
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12:59 * PenguinDad meows at sfan5__
12:59 sfan5__ no, no
12:59 sfan5__ meow at sfan5__
12:59 sfan5__ sfan5*
12:59 * PenguinDad meows at sfan5
12:59 * sfan5 meows at PenguinDad
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13:27 Jordach sfan5, 2:03 wtf is that!!?
13:28 sfan5 hm?
13:29 PenguinDad Jordach: that's a shibe
13:30 sfan5 !doge
13:30 MinetestBot DOGE is at 0.00000036 BTC
13:30 sfan5 !doge
13:30 MinetestBot http://i.imgur.com/QIqDXZw.gif
13:30 sfan5 ^ Jordach
13:31 sfan5 !doge
13:31 MinetestBot http://25.media.tumblr.com/282b439e00e13be63e932​425388afa7d/tumblr_muopr4oEjG1qbhxqdo1_1280.jpg
13:31 sfan5 ^ or that one
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13:32 shadowzone Ok I got a question.
13:32 sfan5 ask
13:33 shadowzone What does server_dedicated = true/false mean?
13:33 sfan5 uh
13:33 sfan5 hm
13:35 sfan5 shadowzone: if adds a "Dedicated" flag on the serverlist
13:35 sfan5 thats everything
13:35 shadowzone Ok thank you.
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13:36 shadowzone Hi WidDos.
13:36 shadowzone This is where all the minetest pros hang out.
13:36 WidDos Hey
13:37 WidDos Ok.
13:37 WidDos Whoa nate was hanging out here?
13:37 shadowzone Yep.
13:37 shadowzone I just decided to start joining as a regular.
13:38 sfan5 <shadowzone> This is where all the minetest pros hang out.
13:38 sfan5 not really
13:38 sfan5 this is the main minetest channel
13:38 shadowzone Ok gotcha.
13:39 * WidDos Call this minetest channel Server chat freee
13:39 WidDos Yeah no more hearing Back to back fights XD
13:40 PenguinDad http://i.imgur.com/0kQ2yMM.gif xD
13:42 sfan5 PenguinDad: "three little dickletts" xD
13:42 shadowzone Ok I don't play pokemon so I am not getting this.
13:42 WidDos When does it end XD
13:42 WidDos I am at right now 60
13:43 shadowzone WidDos I'm at 90.
13:43 shadowzone "date rapist" XD
13:43 WidDos Dang my internet stop and reset it :X
13:44 shadowzone it goes to 100.
13:44 shadowzone around there
13:46 WidDos Well done Penguin
13:47 shadowzone PenguinDad send some more when you get a chance.
13:47 WidDos Yeah how are you here and the other IRC?
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13:47 sfan5 !doge
13:47 MinetestBot DOGE is at 0.00000035 BTC
13:47 sfan5 !doge
13:47 MinetestBot DOGE is at 0.00000035 BTC
13:47 sfan5 !doge
13:47 MinetestBot http://i.imgur.com/NOIyL1K.jpg
13:47 sfan5 ^ WidDos have that
13:47 VanessaE no love for PND? :(
13:47 WidDos XD
13:48 shadowzone VanessaE what is PND?
13:48 VanessaE shadowzone: Pandacoin (PND is the symbol).
13:48 shadowzone Oh.
13:48 VanessaE sort of a sister coin to doge
13:48 WidDos The cake is so A Lie XD lol
13:48 VanessaE also a competitor at the same time :)
13:48 PenguinDad !pnf
13:48 PenguinDad !pnd
13:49 shadowzone I just realized there are dogs in that pic.
13:49 sfan5 VanessaE: pull requests are welcome
13:49 sfan5 !doge
13:49 MinetestBot DOGE is at 0.00000036 BTC
13:49 sfan5 !doge
13:49 MinetestBot DOGE is at 0.00000036 BTC
13:49 sfan5 !doge
13:49 MinetestBot DOGE is at 0.00000036 BTC
13:49 sfan5 !doge
13:49 MinetestBot DOGE is at 0.00000036 BTC
13:49 sfan5 godmanit
13:49 sfan5 goddamnit*
13:49 sfan5 !doge
13:49 MinetestBot http://i.imgur.com/YRdsSHn.jpg
13:49 VanessaE sfan5: translation:  "go fuck yourself"  ?  ;-)
13:49 * shadowzone giggles
13:49 sfan5 VanessaE: nah
13:50 shadowzone I love these pics.
13:50 sfan5 VanessaE: pull requests are really welcome
13:50 * shadowzone fist bumps MinetestBot
13:50 sfan5 shadowzone: heres the whole set of links: https://github.com/sfan5/minetestbot-mo​dules/blob/master/shortutils.py#L49-79
13:51 WidDos How is that possbie? how?? you can't have a Animated .jpg
13:51 VanessaE you can scrape it from coinmarketcap. :-)  I wouldn't know how to add such a feature anyway
13:51 VanessaE WidDos: not a real jpg
13:51 sfan5 WidDos: it's a renamed .gif, the browser detects that
13:51 VanessaE probably a misnamed gif
13:51 shadowzone More like a Vine.
13:52 VanessaE ninja'd.
13:52 shadowzone VanessaE who got ninja'd?
13:52 VanessaE me :P
13:52 shadowzone Oh.
13:52 sfan5 VanessaE: https://github.com/sfan5/minetestbot-​modules/blob/master/shortutils.py#L81
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13:53 shadowzone https://pp.vk.me/c607929/v60​7929263/624e/K6NMxz0Cj7U.jpg
13:53 PenguinDad lol http://imgur.com/gallery/SmYdZsJ
13:53 shadowzone That is brilliant.
13:54 sfan5 !tell Jordach <PenguinDad> http://i.imgur.com/0kQ2yMM.gif xD
13:54 MinetestBot sfan5: I'll pass that on when Jordach is around
13:54 sfan5 <3 MinetestBot
13:54 MinetestBot <3 sfan5
13:55 swilde *: Hi, it seems that with the latest release objects lying around on the map (like all the Blocks after using TNT, or stuff dropped with 'Q') disappear after some time.  Is that intentional?  If so, is there a way to disable this "feature"?  I want items to stay where they are until someone picks them up...
13:55 PenguinDad sfan5: why do you color quotes?
13:55 VanessaE swilde: no you don't want that, but yes you can change the default setting.
13:55 VanessaE don't recall the setting though.
13:55 WidDos If items was to stay you will have major lag on servers
13:56 sfan5 PenguinDad: because color is awesome:3
13:56 sfan5 !rainbow PenguinDad PenguinDad PenguinDad
13:56 MinetestBot 4P4e4n7g7u7i8n8D8a3d3 3Peng6u6i6nDad4 4P4e7n7g7u8i8n8D3a3d3
13:56 WidDos !red This is red
13:56 WidDos What why it didn't work
13:57 swilde VanessaE: Well it used to be that way on our server, and we had no trouble with it...
13:57 shadowzone !rainbow
13:57 MinetestBot 4R4a4i7n7b7o8w What?
13:57 shadowzone Lol.
13:57 PenguinDad I have to agree that colors are awesome.
13:57 shadowzone !rainbow Peanut butter vs jelly THE WINNER IS!
13:57 MinetestBot 4P4e4a7n7u7t8 8b8u3t3t3er v6s6 6jell4y4 4T7H7E7 8W8I8N3N3E3R IS6!
13:57 * swilde has skimmed through the whole minetest.conf.example and not found a setting that seems to match the problem.
13:57 shadowzone Ok somebody slaps me I need it.
13:57 swilde Any hints what to search for?
13:58 PenguinDad Both win!
13:58 shadowzone PEANUT BUTTER WINS WITH 10 TO 5!
13:58 sfan5 WidDos: !rainbow is a MinetestBot command
13:58 WidDos !rainbow k
13:58 MinetestBot 4k
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13:59 sfan5 swilde: afk RealBadAngel
13:59 sfan5 ask*
13:59 VanessaE swilde: item_entity_ttl = 900
14:00 VanessaE set it to -1 to disable it.
14:00 swilde sfan5: ?  RealBadAngel does not sound like an configuration option...  ;-)  Did he write a mod to bring the old behaviour back?
14:00 VanessaE put that in your minetest.conf
14:00 markv hi everyone!
14:00 swilde VanessaE: Oh, thanks!
14:00 markv !seen OldCoder
14:00 MinetestBot markv: oldcoder was last seen at 2014-07-21 13:37:42 UTC on ##minetestbot
14:00 * shadowzone goes off to code yet another mod
14:00 sfan5 swilde: RealBadAngel is a person who should know which setting it is
14:00 swilde VanessaE: I'll give it a try!
14:00 shadowzone Don't ask me what cause that will be determined as I make the textures.
14:00 VanessaE good luck
14:00 RealBadAngel but others also do know ;)
14:01 VanessaE beat ya to it, RealBadAngel  :)
14:01 swilde sfan5: thanks, seems VanessaE knows it, too...  ;-)
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14:02 WidDos Why is the Minetest lua main thing called init?
14:02 shadowzone init.lua?
14:02 WidDos Yeah
14:02 sfan5 what else would you call it?
14:02 shadowzone code.lua
14:02 shadowzone ?
14:02 sfan5 nah
14:02 sfan5 that sounds bad
14:03 PenguinDad main.lua like in Cpp :P
14:03 * shadowzone opens gimp
14:05 WidDos I would have the init called mtmain.lua
14:06 WidDos That I doing for most of my mods. have the init and do dofile to the mtmain
14:06 * shadowzone starts on her textures
14:07 shadowzone WidDos you've made mod?
14:07 WidDos Yes. lots but I am going finish up on later today
14:07 shadowzone Oh.
14:07 PenguinDad the best item in minetest is "unknown
14:08 PenguinDad +"
14:08 WidDos Yeah I am trying to fix a problem with my color glass but Idk what it mean by the error
14:09 twoelk in it init initialises what's in it
14:10 Exio WidDos, "mtmain" is a bit minetest-centered
14:11 Exio would you call it "fmmain" in freeminer?
14:11 WidDos Oh Idk know that
14:12 * shadowzone sighs
14:12 * shadowzone goes off to get some coffee before starting on the coding
14:14 WidDos Is there a way I can make a way you can mine something but it will not drop that item unless used right tool?
14:14 swilde VanessaE: seems to work, tank you for your kind help!
14:14 shadowzone WidDos like minecraft?
14:14 VanessaE no prob
14:15 twoelk like not being able to mine iron with wood tools?
14:15 WidDos Yeah. but I am not thinking doing minecraft. I was thinking have like that since the item I am making is a Hellore. only found in lava areas
14:15 shadowzone I think thats what he is talking about.
14:16 WidDos Yeah but only way get the Hell ore is not use something wreak. so you need a Mese Pickaxe or Diamond
14:16 shadowzone hmm that may be possible.
14:16 shadowzone like in minecraft you can get iron with wood and diamond without steel.
14:16 twoelk might want to study obsidian
14:17 WidDos Since... Wood can burn up Stone can Break under heat after time Iron starts to melt And as for Mese unknown.
14:17 PenguinDad since when are there igps directly on the mainboard?
14:17 WidDos What is mese anyway? like I never figure out how did it came up?
14:18 shadowzone WidDos I think it was added for fun.
14:18 shadowzone Just a extra node that they never really had.
14:18 PenguinDad WidDos: http://wiki.minetest.net/Mese#History
14:18 WidDos Thanks Penguin
14:19 VanessaE WidDos: it was added so that there would be *something* to dig for
14:19 WidDos Mese actually means "msn messenger" in Finland and is used as a silly word (it sounds silly) in the ohjelmointiputka programming community. Additionally it is thought that the glasses of the emoticons 8) and 8D are "mese glasses".
14:19 WidDos I figure it was something MSN rated
14:22 WidDos I have a whole new game idea! after reading about Mese! No given out what it is. you got wait until it story written out
14:22 shadowzone 8D
14:23 WidDos 8D yeah I guess I can tell you it title if you guys wish to know
14:23 * shadowzone cracks her back
14:23 shadowzone Tell meh.
14:24 PenguinDad VanessaE: panda http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-Wn-eJddJmuA/UOL06wXo​XMI/AAAAAAAABcg/11XoK7fXG6M/s640/Red+Panda.jpg
14:24 WidDos Ok. it called the Last MESE. I plan make everything black and white but for the mese. But Idk how going do sky color and the sun and moon though
14:24 VanessaE PenguinDad: er...
14:24 shadowzone lmfao.
14:24 shadowzone I love his face.
14:25 WidDos Hey VanessaE do you know how change the sky color?
14:25 VanessaE use a skybox
14:25 shadowzone WidDos yeah wear sunglasses.
14:26 twoelk WilDos: try section **Maximum level** in lua_api.txt
14:26 WidDos How do I do the skybox? since I remember since I remember seeing a game mode have Purple sky
14:26 shadowzone WidDos I think we have a game that does that,
14:26 shadowzone *.
14:26 VanessaE WidDos: no idea, but check the moontest game/mod
14:26 shadowzone stupid keyboard.
14:27 VanessaE it uses a nice skybox
14:27 WidDos Ok. and as for the moon and sun?
14:27 VanessaE (note to self:  add one for dreambuilder soon)
14:27 * shadowzone hansd VanessaE a note.
14:27 shadowzone "add one for dreambuider soon.
14:28 WidDos Yeah I maybe will do nolight in the mapgen flag list and just use lots of torches as lighing
14:28 WidDos *lighting
14:28 VanessaE :P
14:28 WidDos Well it suppose be a B/W feel the game XD
14:32 * WidDos Get a feeling TFG (TheFriendlyGirl) is making her self timed out on NN-Survival)
14:32 VanessaE WidDos: keep the server chat over on the server channel please.
14:33 WidDos Oh sorry about that. I thought I was.
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14:36 VanessaE s'ok
14:40 WidDos Can minetest use Normal Maps? like the thing that make it look 3D
14:40 VanessaE yes
14:40 WidDos Ok. how do I use normalmap then?
14:40 VanessaE see HDX
14:40 VanessaE it uses them
14:40 VanessaE also the engine can generate fake normalmaps as well
14:40 VanessaE (in your settings menu)
14:40 WidDos Ok.
14:40 VanessaE you need to uyse shaders to do it
14:40 VanessaE use*
14:41 WidDos I think it turn on as of Default the Shadoers
14:41 WidDos *Shaders
14:41 VanessaE probably :)
14:41 VanessaE turn on shaders and bumpmapping
14:41 VanessaE then add normalmaps to your textures.  default_foo.png, default_foo_normal.png
14:41 VanessaE simple as that.
14:42 WidDos Ok Thanks Vanessa
14:43 Exio did anyone check https://gist.github.com/quchen/5280339 ?
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14:44 VanessaE saw it.
14:44 Exio we need one of those trolls
14:44 Exio MINECRAFT ROCKS BLABLA
14:44 VanessaE no, we don't.
14:44 Exio and end with him using minetest?
14:44 Exio :D
14:44 WidDos What is Mip=Mapping?
14:45 WidDos ^- not =
14:45 VanessaE WidDos: a type of distance-based filtering
14:45 WidDos Ok. I didn't know it was so I left it off. same for all other below it
14:45 VanessaE as a texture is displayed "further away", smaller versions of the texture are used instead of just scaling down the whole thing in realtime.
14:46 WidDos So should I have it on for 512x512?
14:46 VanessaE yes.
14:46 VanessaE use mipmap + aniso
14:46 VanessaE you'll want that :)
14:46 WidDos Ok
14:46 VanessaE if your video card can handle it
14:46 WidDos Yeah I have OpenGL 3.3
14:47 VanessaE no, it's about the capability and speed of your card and how much RAM it has.
14:47 VanessaE you don't *have* to use the same size of texture as your normalmap btw
14:47 WidDos Ok
14:47 VanessaE you can use 128px HDX with 512px normals if you want, for example.
14:49 WidDos Should I tell you my Display info see if it good for the settings?
14:51 VanessaE what's your rez?
14:51 WidDos You mean my screen size?
14:52 WidDos If so... It is 1600x1200
14:52 Calinou higher screen sizes make mip-mapping less useful, but it's useful for any screen size
14:53 Calinou by the way… anisotropic filtering (used with mip-mapping) looks better (less blurry textures at distance), but is a bit slower.
14:53 Calinou it's worth using
14:53 PenguinDad <3 https://soundcloud.com/ephixa​/turret-error-ephixa-portal-2
14:53 Calinou for 512 × 512, you should probably enable bilinear + trilinear filtering too, to actually smoothen textures
14:53 Calinou (also good for 256², but at 128² and lower it's blurry)
14:54 WidDos So I should turn on then bilinear + trilinear?
14:55 Calinou yes
14:55 WidDos Ok going to try it after I finish doing the normalmaps
14:55 PenguinDad why not 2^16-linear :P
14:56 WidDos 32x32?
14:56 PenguinDad !c 2**16
14:56 MinetestBot 65536
14:56 WidDos Oh
14:58 WidDos Is there a tool or something make normalmaps?
14:59 PenguinDad CrazyBump or however it was called
14:59 WidDos Ok. Idk if Minetest used some kind of normalmap thing. or it same like for any other
15:00 Calinou GIMP-normalmap
15:00 Calinou it's a GIMP extension, so you need GIMP (free) installed
15:01 WidDos Yeah That I use Calinou I didn't if worked for minetest. I know works great for other games
15:01 Calinou it should work…
15:01 WidDos Ok I will try
15:02 Calinou normal-maps are more or less interoperable, the only engines where you may need to flip them (and that's all) is id tech 4 and maybe some other proprietary ones
15:02 WidDos Yeah but as for Source SDK it don't need be change
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15:07 * WidDos Go test his Normalmap thing works
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15:11 WidDos Umm. LOL XD the the normal map overlapped the texture
15:16 markv You should put the number of lines you are allowed to paste within X seconds in the topic
15:16 VanessaE no, you shouldn't.
15:17 VanessaE then spammers will use that info.
15:18 PenguinDad you are allowed to paste ∞ lines in ∞ seconds
15:18 markv That's a 1:1
15:18 markv wait
15:18 markv is it?
15:19 shadowzone VanessaE I am not a spammer unless I am mad.
15:19 shadowzone Whcih I avoid.
15:19 shadowzone *which
15:19 markv I am not a spammer unless something goes wrong with my client
15:19 VanessaE don't get mad here.. :P
15:19 shadowzone VanessaE I bring my spamming to pm's
15:19 markv I have my own channel which I spam onto when I get mad
15:19 shadowzone mostly with cg72 or Microchip.
15:20 WidDos I don't spam here. I think Spam should taking to a Spam IRC
15:20 Exio PenguinDad, ∞/∞ is inderminate
15:20 shadowzone #SpamLand
15:20 Exio err
15:20 Exio markv,
15:21 WidDos Yeah spamland...
15:21 PenguinDad ###############howmany#sdoweneed
15:21 shadowzone join that to spam like mad.
15:21 WidDos Wow. thats alot of hashtags
15:21 markv My spam channel is invite only
15:22 shadowzone You haven't seen a lot of hashtags till you get on twitter.
15:22 Calinou <Exio> PenguinDad, ∞/∞ is inderminate
15:22 Calinou not 0?
15:22 Exio ?
15:22 WidDos I been on Twitter but I mean That alot for a Channel on IRC
15:22 shadowzone Oh.
15:23 Calinou a lot*
15:23 WidDos What is the Preload ItemVisuals for?
15:23 PenguinDad Calinou: you are allowed to paste 0 lines in 0 seconds :P
15:23 shadowzone Huh?
15:23 shadowzone then that means you're muted.
15:23 Exio Calinou, lim (x->∞) (4x^2-20x+4)/(3x^2+5x+3)
15:23 Calinou WidDos, keep it off, except for debugging
15:23 Exio shadowzone, 0/0
15:23 Calinou it increases the loading time of game, uses more RAM, causes more bugs
15:23 Exio still the same
15:23 Exio PenguinDad, :(
15:24 WidDos Oh. XD I had it on since had minetest
15:24 Calinou the only upside is inventories always open instantly, since all item visuals are generated.
15:24 Calinou it's not worth it
15:24 shadowzone WidDos yeah I turned off a long time ago.
15:24 WidDos Ok. Idk what it do. I thought it was to load the texture pack on other servers
15:24 shadowzone Plus I played on VE-Survival a lot and it take all year to join.
15:24 sfan5 !c 0/0
15:24 MinetestBot ZeroDivisionError: division by zero
15:25 sfan5 MinetestBot!
15:25 MinetestBot sfan5!
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15:25 markv MinetestBot!
15:25 MinetestBot markv!
15:25 * PenguinDad throws nan at sfan5
15:25 PenguinDad E> MinetestBot
15:26 * sfan5 throws ruby at PenguinDad
15:26 kahrl !c lim (x->∞) (4x^2-20x+4)/(3x^2+5x+3)
15:26 MinetestBot SyntaxError: invalid syntax (<string>, line 1)
15:26 * shadowzone tosses sfan5 a ball of yarn
15:26 Exio kahrl, 4/3  :P
15:26 kahrl I know :P
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15:26 Exio :D
15:27 * Calinou tosses shadowzone a ball of yarn
15:27 PilzAdam lim (x ->∞) (1 + 1 / n) ^ n
15:27 Exio e
15:28 Exio also
15:28 Exio what
15:28 Exio no
15:28 Exio x != n
15:28 PilzAdam oh
15:28 Exio PilzAdam, lim (x->∞) (1+ (1/x))^x
15:28 markveidemanis #markveidemanis
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15:28 markveidemanis !c 1/!
15:28 MinetestBot SyntaxError: unexpected EOF while parsing (<string>, line 1)
15:28 markveidemanis !c 1/"d"
15:28 MinetestBot TypeError: unsupported operand type(s) for /: 'int' and 'str'
15:29 markveidemanis !c "markveidemanis" > MinetestBot
15:29 MinetestBot NameError: name 'MinetestBot' is not defined
15:29 markveidemanis !c "markveidemanis" > "MinetestBot"
15:29 MinetestBot True
15:29 sfan5 https://pay.reddit.com/r/Programmer​Humor/comments/2blq0c/when_my_cowor​ker_asks_me_if_he_should_define_a/
15:29 markveidemanis =D
15:29 PenguinDad !c 111 * 6
15:29 MinetestBot 666
15:29 * shadowzone plays with ball of yarn
15:29 * shadowzone tosses Calinou a beach ball
15:29 * sfan5 licks shadowzone
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15:29 * shadowzone hands sfan5 to VanessaE'
15:30 * shadowzone shoots her ' key off her keyboard
15:30 * markveidemanis shoots everyone with a bazooka killing himself in the process
15:30 * shadowzone explodes
15:30 PenguinDad !c ### MEOW ###
15:30 MinetestBot SyntaxError: unexpected EOF while parsing (<string>, line 1)
15:30 PenguinDad :(
15:30 markveidemanis !c #ss
15:30 MinetestBot SyntaxError: unexpected EOF while parsing (<string>, line 1)
15:30 markveidemanis Y U USE STRING?
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15:31 markveidemanis !c "google" > "bing"
15:31 MinetestBot True
15:31 markveidemanis !c "google" > "Bing"
15:31 MinetestBot True
15:31 markveidemanis !c "google" < "Bing"
15:31 MinetestBot False
15:31 Liljnc3 Lol
15:31 sfan5 !ignore markveidemanis!*@*
15:31 MinetestBot sfan5: 'markveidemanis!*@*' added to ignore list.
15:31 markveidemanis !c "sfan5sssfuckyou
15:31 Liljnc3 No fuck you
15:31 markveidemanis !ignore sfan5 all
15:32 markveidemanis sfan5!*@* added to ignore list.
15:32 pitriss !ban markv
15:32 markv Course
15:32 sfan5 !ban *@unaffiliated/marktwain
15:32 pitriss :]
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15:34 PenguinDad ^ stayed the longest
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15:35 gaythegod well
15:35 gaythegod hi
15:36 * shadowzone facepalms
15:36 gaythegod sfan5: hi
15:36 shadowzone Hi.
15:36 gaythegod How is everyone this fine day
15:36 shadowzone Good.
15:36 gaythegod Good!
15:36 gaythegod What is everyone up to?
15:36 * GhostDoge barks at hackingisillegal
15:36 hackingisillegal im just here to chat to sfan5
15:36 hackingisillegal was kicked by Calinou: Unacceptable names and hostname.
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15:37 hackingisillegal oka
15:37 Calinou (probably ban evasion)
15:37 hackingisillegal sorry
15:37 hackingisillegal I will
15:37 shadowzone That is why I facepalmed.
15:37 sfan5 !ban *@my.daddy.violates.me
15:37 Calinou thanks
15:37 VanessaE *sigh*
15:37 sfan5 !kick changthenick
15:37 changthenick was kicked by MinetestBot: changthenick
15:37 sfan5 and this is why unbanning markveidemanis is not a good idea
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15:38 shadowzone holy........
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15:38 VanessaE wtf?
15:38 ActingGirl| was kicked by sfan5: ActingGirl|
15:38 ActingHater| was kicked by sfan5: ActingHater|
15:38 pitriss some kid thinsk that he is funny..
15:38 shadowzone VanessaE I have no idea wtf just happen.
15:38 VanessaE that's called a skr1ptkiddie
15:38 VanessaE joinflood
15:38 sfan5 was kicked by sfan5: sfan5
15:38 Exio sfan5, report in #freenode?
15:38 VanessaE same old bullshit
15:38 sfan5 joined #minetest
15:38 sfan5 fail
15:39 GhostDoge What the hay was that?
15:39 sfan5 Exio: thanks
15:39 Xack uh
15:39 sfan5 GhostDoge: joinspam
15:39 Xack topkek
15:39 Xack LE BOTNET
15:39 * shadowzone wonders how they are all oping
15:40 Calinou ChanServ does it for us
15:40 shadowzone Oh.
15:40 * PenguinDad pets ChanServ
15:42 sfan5 !op
15:42 Exio http://dpaste.com/0G3F12Y
15:43 VanessaE sfan5: could our old nemesis be back?
15:43 asdf___ joined #minetest
15:43 asdf___ hi
15:43 asdf___ id like to say sorry
15:43 asdf___ for being so rude
15:43 asdf___ but
15:43 Exio .
15:43 asdf___ we need to talk about you annoying one of my friends
15:43 asdf___ was kicked by VanessaE: asdf___
15:43 shadowzone menesis?
15:43 shadowzone *nemesis?
15:43 pitriss nice shot, VanessaE:))
15:43 Jordach fuck off markv :P
15:45 PenguinDad VanessaE: which nemesis?
15:45 VanessaE wtf was his name..
15:45 VanessaE light-something?
15:46 VanessaE damn it, I can't remember
15:46 Exio what a join-per-second limit?
15:46 sfan5 VanessaE: landmine?
15:46 VanessaE that was him
15:46 VanessaE yes
15:46 Exio about a*
15:47 VanessaE guess I was anxious to forget ;)
15:48 PenguinDad That was probably before I found minetest
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15:49 Exio someone record http://dpaste.com/0G3F12Y so we can remember the moment when the channel had 3x users!
15:49 VanessaE G*d damn it.
15:49 erry :D
15:49 VanessaE you beat me to it, Exio
15:49 VanessaE :)
15:49 sfan5 another log -> http://sprunge.us/ccIh
15:49 Exio exio'd?
15:49 sfan5 ^
15:49 VanessaE and a third:  http://pastebin.com/4JyFnqjc
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15:50 minetestplayer my bots can reigster with nickserv
15:50 minetestplayer hope you know
15:50 minetestplayer anyways
15:50 minetestplayer lets talk
15:50 minetestplayer so
15:50 Xack lol
15:50 minetestplayer I was told
15:50 Xack hAHHAHAHAHAH
15:50 minetestplayer to come here
15:50 sfan5 erry!
15:50 Xack minetestplayer: lol
15:50 minetestplayer Thanks
15:50 VanessaE erry: sic him!
15:50 minetestplayer was kicked by sfan5: minetestplayer
15:50 Xack (-:
15:50 minetestplayer joined #minetest
15:50 minetestplayer jesus
15:50 Xack le funny
15:50 minetestplayer thats rude
15:50 erry ಠ_ಠ
15:50 sfan5 meow :3
15:50 Xack lol
15:50 minetestplayer wanna know what else is funny?
15:50 minetestplayer uh
15:50 Xack inb4 le botnet
15:50 minetestplayer if you wanna see the net
15:50 minetestplayer join
15:50 Xack no
15:50 minetestplayer #dongs
15:51 minetestplayer shame.
15:51 Xack > dongs
15:51 Xack lol
15:51 sfan5 lolwat
15:51 minetestplayer it can register with nickserv
15:51 Xack legit
15:51 Xack VanessaE: :(
15:51 minetestplayer was kicked by VanessaE: minetestplayer
15:51 Xack we were having fun
15:51 sfan5 VanessaE: you ninja'd me
15:51 VanessaE this is NOT fun.
15:51 sfan5 ^
15:51 sfan5 not really
15:51 Xack Well, mocking him/her was.
15:51 Xack but the rest... nah
15:52 sfan5 someone should probably mail the providers about their customers having infected computers
15:52 sfan5 my provider (german telekom) cares about that
15:52 shadowzone VanessaE I sent Microchip that pastebin of the join flood and his face went O_O woah.
15:52 sfan5 but I'm pretty sure other ISPs don't
15:53 Xack sfan5: yeah, I always wondered whether the companies were emailed about such things
15:53 Xack also pretty rude him/herself to infect other hosts :3
15:53 Xack also quite sad.
15:53 sfan5 ^
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15:55 Exio sfan5, parsed your log fwiw http://dpaste.com/1X9MXD3.txt
15:55 sfan5 <MinetestBot> sfan5: Auto-ignored frogfish(frogfish!~frogfish@gateway/tor-sasl/frogfish) for !c crash attempt
15:55 sfan5 there we go again
15:55 sfan5 ^ erry
15:55 Exio crash attempt?
15:55 sfan5 this is my bot reporting on people trying to calculate 999^999^999
15:55 Exio i see :P
15:56 VanessaE sfan5: I thought your bot just told people to fuck off or some such? :)
15:56 Exio they also do that, probably
15:56 sfan5 VanessaE: it also notifies me
15:56 VanessaE oh ok
15:57 sfan5 <loldongs> HEY BUDDY
15:57 sfan5 * [loldongs] (~asdf@my.daddy.violates.me): asdf
15:57 sfan5 that guy again
15:57 Exio just do /mode +R
15:57 sfan5 Exio: in query not here
15:57 nyuszika7h Exio: y u no sort -u
15:58 Jordach sfan5, your user mode +R stops unwanted messages
15:58 Exio sfan5, umode +r
15:58 sfan5 oh
15:58 Exio not +R
15:58 Jordach from non-registered users
15:58 sfan5 I don't need that
15:58 sfan5 I haz /ignore
15:58 nyuszika7h there's no umode +r
15:58 nyuszika7h the user mode is +R
15:58 Exio ff
15:58 nyuszika7h the channel mode is +r
15:58 sfan5 VanessaE: https://github.com/sfan5/minetestbot​-modules/blob/master/calc.py#L67-69
15:58 Exio i keep confunsing them
15:59 VanessaE sfan5: ah yes
16:00 Exio i'd report took-too-long-to-calculate as "check what is going on"
16:00 Exio because can't you use python code?
16:00 Exio !c lambda(x):(x+1)(2)
16:00 MinetestBot SyntaxError: invalid syntax (<string>, line 1)
16:00 Exio hm, whatever
16:00 PenguinDad !c (lambda(x):(x+1))(2)
16:00 MinetestBot SyntaxError: invalid syntax (<string>, line 1)
16:00 sfan5 !c (lambda(x):x+1)(2)
16:00 MinetestBot SyntaxError: invalid syntax (<string>, line 1)
16:00 sfan5 !c (lambda x:x+1)(2)
16:00 MinetestBot 3
16:00 sfan5 ^ Exio
16:01 Exio Z-combinator
16:02 sfan5 <3 Jordach
16:03 Jordach <3 MinetestBot
16:03 MinetestBot <3 Jordach
16:03 Exio !c (lambda h: (lambda f:f(f))(lambda f: h(lambda n: f(f)(n))))(lambda g: lambda n: n and n * g(n-1) or 1)(25)
16:03 MinetestBot 15511210043330985984000000
16:03 Exio sfan5, ^
16:03 sfan5 Exio: thats a number, and now?
16:03 sfan5 oh
16:04 sfan5 you can do recursion with lambdas
16:04 sfan5 right
16:04 Exio !c (lambda h: (lambda f:f(f))(lambda f: h(lambda n: f(f)(n))))(lambda g: lambda n: n and n * g(n-1) or 1)(300)
16:04 MinetestBot 3060575122164406360353704612972686293885888041​7357699941677674125947653317671686746551529142​2477573349939147888701726368864263907759003154​2268429279069745598412254769302719546040080122​1577625217685425596535690350678872526432189626​4299365204576448830388909753943489625436053225​9807765212708224376394491201286786753683057122​9368194364995646049816645022771650018517654646​9340112226034729724066333258583506870150169794​168850353752137554910289126407157154830
16:04 sfan5 didn't know that
16:04 Exio sfan5, lambda-calculus to the rescue!
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16:04 Exio i think python doesn't optimize tail-calls, does it?
16:04 Jordach sfan5, what do you mean the nunber is too big for MinetestBot
16:04 Jordach clearly its working there ;)
16:05 sfan5 Exio: https://github.com/sfan5/minetestbot-modules/c​ommit/fa552066117de3b54d18c7aa530be12b0251a939
16:05 Exio !c (lambda h: (lambda f:f(f))(lambda f: h(lambda n: f(f)(n))))(lambda g: lambda n: g(n-1))(300)
16:05 MinetestBot RuntimeError: maximum recursion depth exceeded
16:05 Exio ahm
16:11 Calinou half life sign-calculus
16:12 Exio lambda is like, 70 years older than valve's half-life
16:13 PenguinDad !dev Git Guidelines
16:13 MinetestBot "This page is mostly directed to core developers with commit access to upstream repositories." - http://dev.minetest.net/Git_Guidelines
16:14 Calinou only?
16:15 Exio Calinou, ?
16:15 Exio only? :P
16:15 PenguinDad Git https://pbs.twimg.com/media​/BtQnfw2CYAIh123.jpg:large
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16:19 frogfish hai
16:19 sfan5 hello
16:19 PenguinDad shark
16:19 frogfish im kind of new to minetest
16:20 VanessaE hi
16:20 frogfish I've got it from git and compiled it
16:20 frogfish Just need to get mods now
16:21 VanessaE get mods mods from the forums
16:21 frogfish which do you suggest i install for minetest?
16:21 VanessaE er
16:21 frogfish I havent looked around enough to get a good enough opinion
16:21 VanessaE get most* mods from the forums
16:21 PenguinDad frogfish: get dreambuilder and you'll have enough mods ;)
16:22 frogfish dreambuilder...
16:22 frogfish Not come past that one
16:22 VanessaE https://forum.minetest.net/v​iewtopic.php?f=15&amp;t=9196
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16:22 frogfish Woah, lotta mods there
16:23 frogfish Got dwarf beer for me?
16:24 sfan5 what?
16:24 frogfish Dwarf beer
16:24 frogfish You know
16:24 frogfish Normal beer
16:24 frogfish [mod]
16:24 VanessaE draft*
16:24 VanessaE (or draught)
16:34 Calinou frogfish, or Carbone :p
16:34 Calinou it's a game, bundles the most useful mods: https://forum.minetest.net/v​iewtopic.php?f=15&amp;t=9033
16:35 sfan5 >Cable companies: We’re afraid Netflix will demand payment from ISPs
16:35 sfan5 are they serious?
16:35 sfan5 https://twitter.com/arstechni​ca/status/492708637996236801
16:36 frogfish I started it a while ago and media still loading
16:36 VanessaE frogfish: it takes a while
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16:38 Calinou well, I hope it doesn't happen, sfan5
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16:38 VanessaE um... I doubt that'll happen
16:38 Calinou (France here, Netflix is not here yet, but when they will…)
16:38 ^v so, is LuaJIT built into minetest or does it look for a so
16:38 frogfish It won't load :(
16:38 Calinou what error do you get?
16:38 Calinou ^v, yes, since Q2 2013
16:38 VanessaE ^v: it picks it up at compile-time if your system has it installed.
16:38 Calinou enabled by default, except if you don't have LuaJIT installed
16:38 frogfish Error.
16:39 frogfish Too bored
16:39 frogfish Just how much media is it?
16:39 VanessaE frogfish: about 34MB.
16:39 sfan5 netflix site says it will come to germany "soon"
16:39 VanessaE if I remember right.
16:39 ^v are you using luajit 2.1
16:39 frogfish 26MB
16:39 frogfish Nope no luajit
16:39 VanessaE ^v: whatever your system has installed.
16:39 ^v because 2.1 is awesome and has 64 bitwise operators
16:39 Calinou well, if I don't know the error, I can't help
16:39 Calinou Carbone is less than 26 MB, I think
16:40 ^v by operators i mean the bitlib supports LL and ULL
16:40 Calinou so you're probably talking about Drambuilder
16:40 Calinou Version: 2.0.2+dfsg-1
16:40 Calinou this is the version in Ubuntu 14.04
16:40 Calinou http://packages.ubuntu.com/sea​rch?keywords=libluajit-5.1-dev
16:40 sfan5 ^v: minetest should support most of the luajit version installed
16:40 Calinou https://packages.debian.org/sea​rch?keywords=libluajit-5.1-dev
16:40 Calinou 2.0.3 in sid/utopic
16:40 rubenwardy Hi all!
16:40 Calinou hi rubenwardy :)
16:40 sfan5 zsh 2501 % sudo pacman -Q luajit
16:40 sfan5 luajit 2.0.3-3
16:41 sfan5 ^ arch
16:41 VanessaE sfan5: except I thought 5.2-esque features were shunned in minetest
16:41 VanessaE hey rubenwardy
16:41 sfan5 VanessaE: if luajit supports them it should work
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16:41 sfan5 VanessaE: other topic: do you have rollback enabled on your servers?
16:41 cg72 sfan she always does
16:42 VanessaE sfan5: I do.
16:42 Exio Calinou, france doesn't have netflix?
16:42 Exio >argentina has netflix
16:43 sfan5 VanessaE: and you usually rollback stuff using it?
16:43 sfan5 Exio: >germany has no netflix
16:43 Exio ok
16:43 Exio oh, man
16:43 VanessaE sfan5: yes, from time to time.
16:43 Exio http://dspace.mit.edu/bitstream/​handle/1721.1/47545/40495469.pdf the title is amazing
16:44 Exio bbl
16:44 VanessaE usually it works fine.  why?
16:44 sfan5 is /rollback_check fast?
16:44 sfan5 just trying to find out whether my new mod would make sense to use for you
16:45 VanessaE not really
16:45 VanessaE sometimes it gets dog slow actually.
16:45 VanessaE sometimes it checks stuff in the blink of an eye
16:45 sfan5 how many seconds?
16:45 VanessaE anywhere from a second to a full minute
16:45 sfan5 :o
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16:46 VanessaE and the rollback logs have gotten huge.  like 800 megs for a few weeks' worth of usage on a fairly quiet server.
16:46 WidDos How do rollback work?
16:46 ^v aww, it would be cool if it was built in and enabled some of luajit's 52 compatability (__len __pairs __ipairs __lt __le)
16:47 cg72 sfan5 /rollback_check only shows like 5 or so lines, it would nice to bring up a formspec with a complete list
16:47 VanessaE WidDos: /rollback_check <diameter> <time limit>
16:47 WidDos I mean how do it work. like how does check?
16:47 WidDos amd show who was
16:47 VanessaE WidDos: whatever happened since <time limit> within <diameter> nodes of the spot you punch after you execute that command, it tells you
16:47 VanessaE up to the last 5 events.
16:47 sfan5 VanessaE: I made a mod called "nm", it only saves who last touched a node but it's blazing fast at searching through 321000 entries
16:48 WidDos Ok. I would need it on NN-Suvival sometime
16:48 VanessaE so it'll say something like "foo changed default:bar to moreblocks:blah at (x,y,z) 123456 seconds ago"
16:48 sfan5 without the seconds ago
16:48 WidDos 321000 entries wow Sfan5 I need that for my server.
16:48 sfan5 yes
16:48 Calinou rollback's never worked for me, always said nothing was changed recently
16:48 VanessaE sfan5: that was aimed at WidDos  :)
16:49 cg72 sfan5: time is very important for rollback so seconds are needed
16:49 sfan5 cg72: I could add that
16:49 sfan5 anyway
16:49 sfan5 my mod uses copy-on-write to save things so no lag spikes from saving or any lost entries
16:49 cg72 and a nice formspec showing aal not just 5 things XD
16:49 sfan5 timestamps could be added
16:50 sfan5 and the database is pretty small too
16:50 VanessaE WidDos: after you read the reports it generates, you can either opt to do nothing, or you can repair the damage manually (i.e. by building/digging), or you can /rollback <user> <time limit> and everything the user did since <time limit> seconds ago will be undone
16:50 WidDos Ok VanessaE
16:50 VanessaE every dig/build action, every inventory move
16:50 sfan5 !c (321000*8)/1024
16:50 MinetestBot 2507.8125
16:50 sfan5 !c (321000*8)/1024/1024
16:50 MinetestBot 2.44903564453125
16:50 sfan5 ^ that much MB for 321000 actions stored
16:51 WidDos Wow 2MB that is sooooo small
16:51 VanessaE sfan5: that's not bad.
16:51 cg72 WidDos:  rollback will also kill the players house if they built it after the grief and at times rollback will make more mess than fixing it by hand
16:51 VanessaE yeah, the problem with rollback is it has no way to say "roll back actions between X and Y seconds"
16:51 ^v sfan5, wait, 1 byte per action?
16:51 ^v no.
16:52 ^v i fail
16:52 VanessaE so you can't keep that kick-ass castle that the griefer made with the materials he stole whilst wiping out the damage he did earlier.
16:52 cg72 who is charge of rollback??
16:52 sfan5 ^v: 8 bytes (s16 x, s16 z, s16 y, u16 playerid[mapped via external file])
16:52 sfan5 cg72: nobody
16:52 WidDos Is the Database a SQL database?
16:52 VanessaE yes
16:52 VanessaE well sqlite
16:53 sfan5 sqlite spe... damnit VanessaE
16:53 sfan5 y you always ninja me?
16:53 VanessaE ninja'd ;)
16:53 VanessaE sowwy :)
16:53 WidDos Well isn't Sqlite same as SQL? since I am trying to learn more about it
16:53 sfan5 meow :)
16:53 sfan5 WidDos: SQL is the language for the statements, SQLite is a database engine
16:54 PenguinDad WidDos: SQL is a language for database access
16:54 WidDos Ok. so the sqlite is just the files
16:54 cg72 i use levelbd
16:55 WidDos Yeah I was wonder since I have few SQLs running off my domain I started hosting.
16:55 sfan5 sql servers*
16:55 shadowzone sfan5 you need to type faster.
16:55 sfan5 shadowzone: ik
16:55 WidDos Lol yeah but to fast not that good.
16:56 WidDos But I need reinstall my phpBB3 form since I deleted the SQL Server.
16:56 shadowzone I type really fast.
16:57 WidDos I can if I feel like it. I can even do it without look at keys shadow
16:58 Exio http://www.cs.utah.edu/flux/oskit/
16:58 WidDos 1234567891011121314151617181920212223242526272​829303132333435363738394041424344454647484950
16:58 sfan5 NetBSD FFS = NetBSD for f**ks sake
16:59 sfan5 ?
16:59 WidDos How fast can you type 1-50?
17:00 VanessaE 1-50
17:00 VanessaE about a second and a half.
17:00 Exio 1-50
17:00 PenguinDad 1-50
17:00 Exio :D
17:00 WidDos I mean 1-50 not 1-50 like I did
17:00 Exio i think about 0.7 seconds
17:00 Exio 1-50
17:00 Exio what
17:00 PenguinDad -49
17:00 shadowzone I was 28 words per minute last time I checked probably more now.
17:00 WidDos This 1-50: (1234567891011121314151617181920212223242526272​829303132333435363738394041424344454647484950)
17:00 Exio i'm at 80-90 iirc
17:00 sfan5 !c ''.join(str(b) for b in range(50))
17:00 MinetestBot '012345678910111213141516171819202122232425262​728293031323334353637383940414243444546474849'
17:00 VanessaE ok fine.  "one to fifty"
17:00 Exio lol sfan5
17:00 VanessaE that took a little longer.
17:01 sfan5 !c ''.join(str(b) for b in range(51))
17:01 MinetestBot '0123456789101112131415161718192021222324252627​2829303132333435363738394041424344454647484950'
17:01 sfan5 ^ WidDos
17:01 WidDos Yeah that is crazy bot
17:01 sfan5 s/crazy bot/python code/
17:01 WidDos Yeah .py
17:01 PenguinDad !c math.e ** math.pi
17:01 MinetestBot 23.140692632779263
17:02 WidDos !c 8284*24
17:02 MinetestBot 198816
17:02 VanessaE http://jeffiscool.com/pictures/​Foxtrot/foxtrot_blackboard.JPG
17:02 VanessaE :D
17:03 sfan5 ^ 403
17:03 WidDos Yeah that is odd. 8284x24=198816 If you filp it around and backwards it equal same.
17:03 VanessaE aw man
17:03 PenguinDad lol
17:04 VanessaE it's the foxtrot cartoon showing the kid doing "I will not throw paper airplanes in class" 500 times.  on the blackboard.  in C.
17:04 WidDos Yeah but is it since when you do times with * and devide with / since it use same way in the code?
17:05 VanessaE http://brentdanley.com/wp-content/​uploads/2009/04/foxtrot_ccode.jpg
17:05 WidDos !c 9124187*2435/45
17:05 MinetestBot 493719896.5555556
17:05 WidDos !c flip 493719896.5555556
17:05 MinetestBot SyntaxError: unexpected EOF while parsing (<string>, line 1)
17:06 WidDos I guess don't have reverse writting
17:06 PenguinDad !rev 493719896.5555556
17:06 MinetestBot 6555555.698917394
17:07 sfan5 !help
17:07 MinetestBot https://github.com/sfan5/minetestb​ot-modules/blob/master/COMMANDS.md
17:07 sfan5 ^ WidDos
17:07 WidDos Ok I will read that
17:09 frogfish Well it loaded
17:09 frogfish But crashed soon after
17:09 frogfish I had to go to a tty to kill it
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17:11 frogfish oh crap soup on my keyboard
17:11 frogfish My decision: post about it :P
17:11 frogfish grr...
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17:13 * WidDos Wonders who was first one added Katcup to Cheese
17:14 PenguinDad Catcup xD
17:14 WidDos Lol. that what I call it sometimes XD
17:16 WidDos But you know some of this stuff we did in yours past life. since no one told me how Do Coding. and I did it without reading how. as if I been coding long time ago
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17:18 Calinou there aren't many dedicated Lua learning resources
17:19 ^v Calinou, <_>
17:19 ^v there computercraft
17:19 WidDos I learned it by myself. I did it on Gmod and now I am doing it on Minetest. I wonder how I learn lua though
17:19 sfan5 >_> ^v
17:20 WidDos Maybe I learn LUA form the suffix and Prefix
17:20 WidDos How did you guys learn LUA? or how?
17:20 ^v LUA? *butthurt intensifies*
17:21 ^v *rant about how lua is not an acronym*
17:21 ^v WidDos, Gmod and CC
17:21 ^v and i was one of the rare that actually read the fcking manual
17:21 * sfan5 has no clue how he learnt Lua
17:22 WidDos I didn't read anything XD. but it just odd. how we learn something without reading
17:22 PenguinDad LUA == Laugh Ur A** :P
17:22 Yepoleb i googled "lua tutorial"
17:23 PenguinDad !pil PenguinDad
17:23 MinetestBot PenguinDad, Someone thinks you need to brush up on or learn Lua, please go to: http://lua.org/pil/
17:23 * WidDos Poke VanessaE to find out how she learned lua
17:23 PenguinDad I did this ;)
17:23 WidDos Ok Penguin.
17:25 WidDos But one of the most easy program langauge I learned without to reading (I admit I don't read anything on coding XD) Is Batch
17:25 VanessaE WidDos: reading tutorials and code from minetest_game
17:25 VanessaE and other peoples' mods
17:25 VanessaE the PiL was too much a pain in the ass to learn from
17:25 WidDos I see. so then how did you came a Moderator on the forums?
17:26 VanessaE that was Jordach's fault ;)
17:26 VanessaE he recommended me
17:26 WidDos Oh
17:26 WidDos Yeah but is there a reason why Minetest use Lua? or is it the engine main thing
17:26 VanessaE though these days I'm not active on the forums except to post updates and answer questions on my threads
17:26 PenguinDad PIL wasn't a pita for me
17:26 VanessaE (I don't have time)
17:27 Calinou <^v> there computercraft
17:27 Calinou that's a Minecraft mod
17:27 ^v me using the lua manual "http://i.imgur.com/9d97dEt.png"
17:27 ^v Calinou, i know
17:27 ^v <_>
17:27 Calinou patterns?
17:27 ^v you dont know patterns?
17:27 Calinou PenguinDad, “ass” isn't a bad word really
17:27 Calinou no
17:27 * rubenwardy just updated to Irrlicht 1.9
17:28 ^v WidDos, because its fast ._.
17:28 Calinou 1.8.1 here
17:28 VanessaE rubenwardy: you're gutsy :)
17:28 ^v luajit atleast
17:28 WidDos So Lua is faster then any program lang?
17:28 ^v no
17:28 VanessaE no
17:28 ^v C is faster
17:28 WidDos Oh.
17:28 ^v because its statically compiled into machine code
17:28 rubenwardy Lua is convienant
17:28 frogfish C isn't much faster
17:28 rubenwardy meh
17:28 frogfish In arbitrary units:
17:28 ^v lua(bytecode) has to be interpreted
17:28 VanessaE C is a LOT faster.
17:29 frogfish Lua 20
17:29 frogfish C 2
17:29 sfan5 <VanessaE> C is a LOT faster.
17:29 frogfish Python 60
17:29 sfan5 ^
17:29 frogfish LuaJIT 2.1
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17:29 VanessaE LuaJIT != Lua
17:29 frogfish LUAJIT is nearly as fast as C
17:29 ^v fortytwo, no
17:29 WidDos !title http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki​/Lua_(programming_language)
17:29 MinetestBot WidDos: Lua (programming language) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
17:29 WidDos Yeah moon <.<
17:30 ^v frogfish*
17:30 frogfish yes?
17:30 * ^v forgot to configure hexchat
17:30 ^v frogfish, LuaJIT isnt even close to as fast ._.
17:31 frogfish google a speed test
17:31 WidDos Lua is commonly described as a “multi-paradigm” language.
17:31 VanessaE luaJIT is just a compiler.  it'll run close to C speed for *some* problems
17:31 VanessaE but not generally
17:31 sfan5 frogfish: random google results can be wrong
17:31 WidDos By including only a minimum set of data types, Lua attempts to strike a balance between power and size.
17:31 ^v interpreted < compiled to machine code directly
17:31 Calinou frogfish, Python is 3 times faster than Lua? what about LuaJIT?
17:31 Calinou frogfish, not Google :(
17:32 frogfish No, higher number is slower
17:32 frogfish Should have made that clear
17:32 Calinou ah
17:32 ^v ffi is <3
17:32 Calinou you could have simplified your arbitrary units
17:32 Calinou ffi?
17:32 ^v does minetest use ffi a lot?
17:32 ^v its extremely useful
17:32 Calinou also, who are you, ^v? are you on the Minetest forums?
17:32 ^v Calinou, iirc i registed a couple months ago
17:32 PenguinDad Calinou: Foreign Function Interface
17:33 ^v i came back because i learned the magical LuaJIT ffi library and learned C
17:33 ^v bascially you get C types in lua and its AWESOME
17:33 WidDos Something Written in Lua: Prosody (formerly lxmppd) is a cross-platform XMPP server written in Lua. Its development goals include low resource usage, ease-of-use, and extensibility.
17:34 WidDos !title
17:34 WidDos prosody.im
17:34 MinetestBot Doesn't seem to be HTML..
17:34 * PenguinDad throws Squirrel in the channel
17:34 WidDos !title
17:34 WidDos prosody.im
17:34 MinetestBot Doesn't seem to be HTML..
17:34 WidDos Yeah guess don't work XD
17:34 PenguinDad !title http://prosody.im/
17:34 MinetestBot PenguinDad: Prosody IM - Jabber/XMPP server
17:35 WidDos Oh need the http...
17:35 PenguinDad there you go WidDos
17:35 WidDos Yeah but Jabber... Isn't there a bot on here has Jabber API?
17:36 PenguinDad HLuaBot: do you know XMPP?
17:36 HLuaBot Unknown command "do". Try "help".
17:36 PenguinDad :(
17:37 WidDos Wow Total Lines of Code: 30,644
17:38 WidDos Yeah you can learn LUA here to http://www.lua.org/
17:39 PenguinDad WidDos: minetest has 115207 lines of code according to ohlol
17:40 WidDos Yeah +more in Minetest 0.5.0
17:40 WidDos What the heck! it Thundering and Lighting crazy and it not even raining.
17:41 sfan5 PenguinDad: ohloh not ohlol
17:41 WidDos Yeah I know you mean.
17:41 WidDos Something on lua.org. Lua is fast
17:41 WidDos Lua has a deserved reputation for performance. To claim to be "as fast as Lua" is an aspiration of other scripting languages. Several benchmarks show Lua as the fastest language in the realm of interpreted scripting languages. Lua is fast not only in fine-tuned benchmark programs, but in real life too. Substantial fractions of large applications have been written in Lua.
17:41 WidDos If you need even more speed, try LuaJIT, an independent implementation of Lua using a just-in-time compiler.
17:42 PenguinDad why do I always make this ohloh typo
17:42 WidDos Idk to make use lol XD
17:42 Calinou ohlol!
17:42 Calinou its name changed, PenguinDad
17:42 Calinou especialy for that
17:42 PenguinDad oh, lol
17:42 WidDos LOO-ah
17:42 * Jordach goes back into Skyrim
17:43 * sfan5 meows at Jordach
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17:48 PenguinDad Is it possible to use UV-maps for texturing nodes?
17:48 WidDos Anyone heard of Mosstest?
17:48 WidDos https://github.com/mosstest/mosstest
17:49 sfan5 WidDos: never heard of that
17:49 WidDos Well form the Desc it saying it a Minetest Clone
17:50 WidDos !title https://github.com/mosstest/mosstest
17:50 sfan5 is uses java
17:50 MinetestBot WidDos: mosstest/mosstest · GitHub
17:50 sfan5 thats a step back
17:50 WidDos I guess won't show that it a Minetest clone
17:50 Calinou PenguinDad, O_o no
17:50 Calinou you can rotate texture on specific faces, to have correct texturing
17:50 Calinou that's what I did on More Blocks checkers
17:51 PenguinDad WidDos: this one looks more interesting https://github.com/Nocte-/hexahedra
17:51 Calinou http://hexahedra.net/ → great site, but nothing on it
17:51 WidDos 4 billion blocks in all directions
17:51 WidDos That is crazy
17:52 PenguinDad Calinou: you call that modern web design :P
17:52 Calinou yes, but do you have collision there? lighting? entities?
17:52 Calinou “Centralized player authentication” ugh
17:53 Calinou “Uses the IQM format for storing 3D models and animations.” cool, something Irrlicht can't do
17:53 Calinou ENet too
17:53 WidDos Centralized player authentication? what is that?
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17:53 Calinou it uses the same font as Red Eclipse by default too
17:53 Calinou WidDos, what Minecraft uses… probably
17:53 WidDos Ok
17:54 WidDos Wow this need updating XD
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17:55 PenguinDad best thread on their forums :D http://forum.hexahedra.net/t/why-are-we-using-c/11
17:55 WidDos Lol
17:56 Calinou https://camo.githubusercontent.com/44e8357a722617d​6384018582ec1fc3e6cb5ac57/687474703a2f2f692e6d696e​75732e636f6d2f6a48485875594656514f4453452e6a7067
17:56 WidDos This page needs very bad updating.http://www.moddb.com/games/minetest
17:56 WidDos !http://www.moddb.com/games/minetest
17:56 Calinou proper shadows, for once
17:56 WidDos !title http://www.moddb.com/games/minetest
17:56 MinetestBot WidDos: Minetest Windows, Linux game - Mod DB
17:57 Calinou
17:57 Calinou Developed By
17:57 Calinou Exmex ” not official
17:57 ^v yeah, lets get a 6502 and code som fortran for it
17:57 Exio VanessaE, goto ain't bad, that people had to abuse it is another thing
17:57 Calinou “Release Date TBD” lol
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17:57 Exio if goto is evil, exceptions are the devil
17:57 WidDos Yeah I think this page need a major update. on ModDB
17:57 Calinou I'm not ModDB staff :p
17:58 WidDos Hey my Comment still there :)
17:59 WidDos Yeah maybe should post a comment saying not by who posted it and such
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18:01 WidDos Wait... Exmex even added MineToon (Texture Pack) by Gambit. and say in desc. Still working out the tools, player, and mobs, so expect those later. So far I'll hand out the rest of the texture. Now for snapshots of the textures in action. Some of the blocks in display.
18:02 Calinou the page should only have official downloads
18:02 WidDos Yeah. should make a new page and call it Official Mintest
18:03 WidDos So they know it by the official community and such.
18:03 Eivel Hey guys. It there any good microblocks mod, or do I have to write my own?
18:04 frogfish Is there a Tor HS in England for freenode?
18:04 WidDos There no Micoblocks. but I wish you good luck doing it
18:04 frogfish I'l ask in #freenode
18:04 frogfish * Ping reply from zelazny.freenode.net: 6.34 second(s) this is rediculous
18:06 Eivel Well then. So another question about the API. Is there any other info about the part of node clicked or do I ahve to base on looking direction?
18:06 WidDos Idk Eivel. I have not looked in much of the API
18:08 VanessaE Eivel: microblocks require a new feature we've been wanting for a while:  meta_set_nodedef
18:08 VanessaE the code exists for it
18:09 VanessaE but has not been committed because no one can fucking make up their mind to do it.
18:09 VanessaE :)
18:09 WidDos I made up my mind. Try to see if can be done XD
18:09 VanessaE no one with upstream commit access :P
18:10 WidDos Yah.
18:11 Eivel VanessaE: But thanks for the info. Good to know, that it's being developed
18:11 Calinou WidDos, we shouldn't have to do such a thing
18:12 Calinou we'd need a representative of the project (celeron55 probably) to complain at ModDB
18:12 Calinou Eivel, Stairs+ has microblocks ;)
18:12 Calinou but you can't put more than once in the same block
18:12 Calinou (but you can use: panels, stairs, alternate stairs, inner/outer stairs, half stairs…)
18:12 WidDos Yeah but do we have a pixle size block?
18:12 Calinou would be pointless
18:12 Calinou you do have 1/16 slabs in Stairs+
18:12 Calinou and panels/microblocks
18:13 Eivel Calinou: It's the main problem with this - The "true" microblocks should stack, modyfing the node
18:13 WidDos But why do the nodes go though things that is 2 blocks tall or wide
18:14 WidDos And Calinou if That don't work I can create a Official Minetest page on ModDB in matter of secs.
18:14 Calinou Eivel, current system suits 95 % of uses :P
18:14 Calinou WidDos, no
18:15 Calinou afterwards, it becomes a mess
18:15 WidDos Oh. I see.
18:15 Eivel Calinou: I have very demanding builder on my upcoming server :P
18:15 WidDos Yeah I can create you some nodeboxs Eivel I am great making some
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18:16 WidDos I am right now finishing off one I being doing
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18:16 frogfish 6sec of lag...
18:16 Eivel what do you mean by nodeboxes? I don't know what is it.
18:17 Calinou Eivel, I can't see which kinds of buildings you can't make with Stairs+ nodes, that you can with a true microblocks system
18:17 WidDos Ugh. where is the link about Nodeboxs
18:18 Eivel Calinou: Buildings, where you smooth the eg. ceiling every 1/8 of slab.
18:18 Eivel of block*
18:19 * WidDos Made a tiny Micro block. (How Cute)
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18:19 Eivel aww. WidDos: Remember to feed him regularly so he may grow up to be strong whole block
18:20 WidDos Yeah
18:20 WidDos Only if I can make a mod you feed a block something and it come big and big until it reach max size
18:20 Eivel That would be the day, when blocks became adorable
18:21 frogfish WidDos, You can
18:21 frogfish It'd be awesoem
18:21 frogfish Like a less gay tamagotchi
18:22 WidDos Oh shoot what have I done!
18:22 WidDos I replace ever node to the micro one XD
18:23 Calinou Eivel, there are 1/8 and 1/16 slabs in Stairs+, as well as panels and microblocks
18:23 Calinou 4/16, 8/16, 12/16, 14/16, 15/16 too
18:23 WidDos But not as tiny mine is Calinou
18:23 WidDos I think it is 15/16
18:23 Calinou less than 1/16 is way too thin and doesn't make sense :P
18:24 Eivel Calinou: But you had said eariler, that I cannot stack them? What did you mean by it?
18:24 WidDos Or is it 2/16 Idk. Let me take a pic
18:24 Calinou there's no dynamic stacking, you have to remove the old one, place the new one
18:25 Calinou too complex to implement, since they use 6d facedir
18:25 WidDos Yeah why can't we stack something on something? even if it so some
18:25 WidDos *small
18:27 VanessaE Calinou: that's more my fault than anything else
18:29 Eivel Calinou: Ah, so I see now. Thanks
18:31 VanessaE Calinou: however it would also require that you have full 1/16 through 15/16 sizes (but that would be overkill) for it to work
18:32 WidDos See tiny tiny stone block. and that the thing about minetest and small blocks. it texture get resized to. http://picpaste.com/pics/scree​nshot_103889058.1406313102.png
18:32 Calinou Hexahedra doesn't compile here, not even with the PPA, PenguinDad :P
18:32 Calinou tons of errors
18:33 frogfish WidDos, Too small
18:33 frogfish Make a panel
18:33 PenguinDad I didn't even try to compile :/
18:33 PenguinDad + it
18:33 WidDos Yeah you ask for a small block you get a small block XD
18:33 PenguinDad You could implement stacking slabs with leveled nodeboxes
18:34 VanessaE PenguinDad: nope.avi
18:34 VanessaE leveled nodes can't be turned on-edge or upside-down
18:34 fling Calinou: Hello.
18:35 Calinou hi fling
18:35 PenguinDad I did not say that you are able to turn them in any way
18:35 fling Calinou: LICENSE="CC-BY-SA-3.0 CC0" -> https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=549
18:35 fling Calinou: but GPL-3 -> https://gitorious.org/calinou/moreores/source/f1b​3dd8dc1bb7a9f811f9171c33de7a73bf51588:LICENSE.txt
18:35 Calinou code got rewritten twice; first one was WTFPL (by le), second one was GPL 3 (by marktraceur), last one is CC0 (by Nore)
18:35 fling so which one? :D
18:35 Calinou me*
18:36 Calinou CC0 applies to code, it's the latest rewrite
18:36 Calinou it's no longer GPL 3… I guess
18:36 fling ok
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18:36 Calinou if you're not sure, keep GPL 3
18:36 Eivel VanessaE: You mentioned metal_set_nodedef. What does it do, by the way?
18:36 Eivel meta*
18:36 WidDos good you on shadow XD
18:36 shadowzone Hi WidDos.
18:36 WidDos Now shadow... how did you learn Lua?
18:36 shadowzone cg72 taught me.
18:36 VanessaE Eivel: it allows a node to be completely redefined in-place, in the map.
18:36 fling Calinou: should not _config.txt be renamed to config.txt ?
18:36 WidDos Ok.
18:37 Calinou VanessaE, I could add all of them, but that's a lot, not very useful
18:37 fling Calinou: wut? they are not even compatible.
18:37 Calinou fling, it's intended to put it first in the list of files (in some file manager)
18:37 fling Calinou: you are even double licensing or not :P
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18:37 Calinou CC0 is GPL-compatible, it's public domain
18:37 fling ohhh ok
18:37 Calinou CC BY (and more strict variations of it) aren't
18:37 VanessaE Eivel: for example, you could define one set of stairs with a generic "stairs" model, and then use that feature to assign a texture to it only when it's placed on the map
18:38 rubenwardy https://forum.minetest.net/vi​ewtopic.php?p=149415#p149415
18:38 Calinou if I were you though, I wouldn't use More Ores… I don't care much about it, it's quite bad actually
18:38 rubenwardy !title
18:38 MinetestBot AttributeError: 'NoneType' object has no attribute 'strip' (file "/home/user/mtbot/modules/title.py", line 13, in title)
18:38 fling 01:36 <@Calinou> if you're not sure, keep GPL 3
18:38 rubenwardy lol
18:38 Calinou I'm surprised some people use it as dependency :s
18:38 kaeza greetings
18:38 fling ^ looks like you are not sure
18:38 Calinou we never know
18:38 frogfish http://www.brainfall.com/quizzes/ho​w-good-evil-are-you/result/2275k0/
18:38 Calinou so use the strictest
18:38 WidDos How do the stairs on minetest allow players go upwards I like to know
18:38 shadowzone hi kaeza
18:38 VanessaE Calinou: there's no other mod that supplies things like silver and tin.
18:38 PenguinDad rubenwardy: nice work you've done there
18:38 VanessaE and everyone loves mithril
18:38 fling Calinou: can you then please fix the forum post? :P
18:39 Calinou WidDos, when touching ground, your step height is 0.6 blocks
18:39 Calinou when in air, it's 0.2 blocks
18:39 Calinou (unlike Minecraft, where it's about 0.5 blocks in ground, 0 blocks in air…)
18:39 WidDos Oh. so then Sam is taller then steve?
18:39 Calinou this allows you to make cheap bridges (put 1 block, then 1 air… continue walking and you won't fall)
18:39 VanessaE sam is about 1.6m tall
18:39 Calinou Sam is a tiny bit smaller
18:39 Calinou 1.6, instead of 1.62m eye height
18:40 Calinou model height is, for both, about 1.8m
18:40 Calinou collision box is a bit less tall
18:40 VanessaE ogh
18:40 VanessaE oh
18:40 Calinou collision radius is more or less the same
18:40 Calinou but Sam walks a bit slower by default: 4 blocks/s instead of 4.3 blocks/s
18:40 Calinou (in Carbone, it's 4.5 blocks/s)
18:40 WidDos So can we change the Eye Height? or is it not done?
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18:41 sfan5 rubenwardy: fixed !title, thanks for helping me test my bot :9
18:42 sfan5 https://github.com/sfan5/minetestbot-modules/c​ommit/d9318b8f53e7dff170c32219fc8f21394445f607
18:42 sfan5 !title
18:42 MinetestBot sfan5: Fix bug in title.py (and convert spaces to tabs), thanks @rubenwardy ·  d93[...]
18:42 rubenwardy Yay!
18:42 WidDos Wait we can do a link and then !title?
18:42 sfan5 yes
18:42 PenguinDad "This means that the player's weight is exactly 431.44 Kg" steve is obese D:
18:42 WidDos 431.44+all the stuff
18:43 WidDos So maybe 90045
18:43 shadowzone You are 86% Good and 14% Evil. That makes you an "Angel."
18:43 shadowzone thats my results.
18:43 PenguinDad WidDos: "The Player appears to be very strong, being able to carry an entire inventory of gold blocks, which would weigh nearly 45,000 metric tons."
18:43 frogfish lol WidDos
18:43 frogfish Me me 100% evil
18:43 sfan5 ^
18:44 frogfish I wonder if one can do a partition DoS
18:44 WidDos Yeah I think Minetest needs weight adding to make you walk slower and fall faster
18:44 fling Calinou: don't I need old_init.lua ?
18:44 frogfish On a 2tb disk
18:44 WidDos I love DOS
18:44 frogfish Like 2000, 000 partitions each 1mb in size
18:45 WidDos Yeah You would need lots of lines of code to fill up even 1MB in Batch
18:45 frogfish It can be empty
18:46 * WidDos Check how big is his Latest Batch Project
18:46 frogfish euck batch
18:46 sfan5 batch sucks
18:47 Calinou fling, no
18:47 Calinou not at all
18:47 Calinou WidDos, yes, eye offset can be changed in all directions
18:47 Calinou it's used for beds and when you're dead in Carbone
18:48 WidDos Ok.
18:48 Calinou frogfish, you can have 128 partitions at most with a GPT partition table
18:48 WidDos But the bed on MP need fixing
18:48 Calinou (the best one)
18:48 frogfish Hmm
18:48 fling moreores/old_init.lua for beds? :D
18:48 frogfish That'll do
18:48 Calinou in Carbone, 51 % of players must sleep in order to skip to day
18:48 Exio 51%
18:48 rubenwardy * MSDOS
18:49 Exio sounds like populism
18:49 WidDos Well the bed Nate using On his Server if you sleep it skips to day and you get stuck. and no other players need sleep to turn to day
18:49 frogfish Calinou, GIve a message as to how many players must sleep
18:49 frogfish On sleep
18:49 frogfish ANd countdown as more players sleep
18:50 Calinou it's done when night is skipped to day
18:50 Calinou [zzz] 3 of 4 players slept, skipping to day.
18:50 * WidDos Thinking put his City Server idea on hold. and Make it into a Breakout Style like some minecraft Servers.
18:50 Calinou we could have a Prison server
18:51 Calinou needs a decent amount of players to work
18:51 Calinou and ability to disable PvP in some zones
18:51 WidDos Yeah XD and the rankup
18:51 Calinou (doable with a server-side engine patch)
18:51 frogfish Could minetest use tor?
18:51 Calinou woah, no
18:51 frogfish I guess in a HS...
18:51 frogfish Does Tor do UDP?
18:51 Calinou that's asking for lag
18:51 Calinou HS?
18:51 frogfish Does minetest do TCP?
18:51 Calinou no
18:51 Calinou UDP only
18:51 frogfish Hidden Sevrice
18:52 frogfish You can choose local ports to be mirrored on tor
18:52 frogfish Like apache on 8888 and tor on 80
18:52 frogfish If you're crazy like that
18:53 frogfish I still need an OCD-Friendly way to partition my Hard Disk
18:53 WidDos But do you think we can do a such server Calinou? if so I will start planning on the designs
18:53 Calinou yes
18:53 fling WidDos: you can vpn over tcp over tor :>
18:54 fling why do you need tor btw?
18:54 * WidDos Is Confused on this TOR
18:55 Calinou http://saluuna.dy.fi/pad/p/prison → here's an Etherpad
18:55 Calinou WidDos, see that page
18:55 Calinou you can edit
18:55 WidDos Are you writting?
18:56 Calinou yes
18:56 WidDos Wow that is cool!
18:58 shadowzone That looks like a pretty good server idea.
18:58 WidDos Yeah :) I plan to have that as my server shadow :) so what you think?
18:59 fling Calinou: this one is from calinou_mods -> https://gitorious.org/calinou/maptools/source/ff2​f3041efa5aa65c91a35c3b206edc249642353:README.txt
18:59 WidDos Who typing now? should add you name on the users color bar
19:00 shadowzone VanessaE I took a typing test and I get 43 wpm.
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19:08 frogfish Wait what's this prison server lol?
19:10 PenguinDad frogfish: nope it's nothing about League of Legends
19:10 frogfish Lo..no
19:11 VanessaE shadowzone: better than me
19:11 shadowzone VanessaE what are you?
19:11 VanessaE somewhere south of 30 these days
19:12 PenguinDad shadowzone: wpm depends on word length
19:12 Calinou http://10fastfingers.com/user/66977/
19:12 Calinou best is 110
19:12 Calinou (which gets me on the best types of the day)
19:12 Calinou 112 in English, 110 in French
19:13 shadowzone What kind of fingers do you have?
19:13 Calinou average in English 96, 97 in French
19:13 Calinou normal ones
19:13 shadowzone obviously not that is awesome.
19:15 Calinou just ran one in English: http://0bin.net/paste/e7opIhnc4cFFxLNu#S5​k75qf+rZTVrU6MHGEILGLkoiNySZ5hK-I3e7a3Jdk
19:16 Calinou but I'm really tired at the end :D
19:16 shadowzone *twitch*twitch*
19:16 shadowzone You're really good.
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19:17 rubenwardy bye all
19:17 Calinou meh, not a very useful skill
19:17 Calinou it won't give me money, lol
19:17 WidDos Cya Ruben
19:17 Calinou bye rubenwardy
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19:18 shadowzone Calinou it is useful for coding and when you are a moderator.
19:19 Exio >coding
19:19 Exio do you realize the "hardest" part in coding isn't the WPM but having to think the problem itself?
19:19 shadowzone Yeah but WPM makes it faster sometimes.
19:20 Exio unless you're coding in Java without an IDE, i don't really think a super-high WPM is "useful"
19:20 Exio 60-70 wpm (not so awesome) is enough
19:20 Exio what is the average WPM though
19:21 shadowzone Well for me 43.
19:21 shadowzone although I am only 12.
19:22 twoelk just visited VE-Survival and I guess the machine I normaly use cant handle spawn area anymore
19:22 VanessaE update to latest git
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19:22 VanessaE the fps has really been improved there
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19:25 twoelk 2 weeks old build and outdated?
19:25 VanessaE yep
19:25 VanessaE the improvements are less than 2 weeks old I think
19:25 shadowzone VanessaE 0.4.10 is outdated?
19:25 VanessaE shadowzone: not generally but for the sake of this particular improvement, yes :)
19:26 * shadowzone scraches her head
19:26 shadowzone I am confused.
19:26 VanessaE shadowzone: in other words this speedup didn't make it into 0.4.10.
19:26 shadowzone Oh ok.
19:27 * twoelk searches his hdd for more space for yet annother incarnation of Minetest
19:27 fling VanessaE: do I need to create a new world if I want to use vines mod?
19:27 VanessaE twoelk: you should see how Vanilla behaves.
19:27 twoelk and I just moved all my stuff to 0.4.10
19:27 VanessaE fling: no.
19:27 fling VanessaE: I have enabled it but I don't see any vines generated. but the items exist
19:28 VanessaE fling: they will grow on trees, but I don't know what the requirements are.
19:28 * fling is searching in newly generated areas
19:28 * fling starts reading the doc
19:28 VanessaE they'll also grow on the underside of dirt
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19:30 Calinou shadowzone, it's important for writing long forum posts :D or documentation/translations
19:30 shadowzone True.
19:32 Exio VanessaE, any benchmarks (or at least some rough "x%" between the changes?
19:32 Exio )
19:33 Exio pre and post speedup
19:33 VanessaE Exio: what was 135-145m view range at 35-40 fps, is now 240 m at 45 fps for me.
19:33 sfan5 Exio: >9000%
19:33 Exio VanessaE, so an awesome performance improvement
19:33 VanessaE for the same area of the same map, looking in the same direction, from the same elevation.
19:34 Exio maybe i'll finally be able to play here :P
19:34 VanessaE the distance and fps was somewhat variable, but there ya go.
19:34 VanessaE this was on a test map
19:34 VanessaE but my Vanilla server saw a similar improvement
19:34 VanessaE the view range is now so high that I just can't bleive it
19:34 VanessaE believe*
19:34 Exio add VBO and other stuffs too!
19:35 VanessaE Survival on the other hand saw no significant improvement because it has so many nodeboxes all around
19:35 Exio nodeboxes?
19:35 VanessaE string operations in the rendering pipeline RealBadAngel would say
19:35 VanessaE is why
19:36 Exio how updated are your builds sfan5?
19:36 fling attempt to concatenate a nil value -> http://dpaste.com/13BXTA6
19:36 fling VanessaE: ^
19:36 sfan5 what particular commit do you want, Exio?
19:36 VanessaE not my mod, fling
19:36 Exio latest! (nah, just want a build with the perf commit)
19:37 * VanessaE pokes bas080
19:37 fling VanessaE: doh looks like I need to rename it to trees
19:37 sfan5 Exio: which perf commit?
19:37 Exio https://github.com/minetest/minetest/commi​t/f0db6c4423db86203db83538704cc34152c59a09 ?
19:38 Exio oh
19:38 Exio latest build is from that commit it seems
19:39 VanessaE there's your answer, twoelk  :)   11 days vs. 2 weeks.  you *just* missed it.
19:40 twoelk just downloaded some newer version
19:40 sfan5 Exio: yes the latest is exactly from that commit
19:41 Exio <- hates windoze :(
19:41 Exio i miss my linux box
19:41 VanessaE what's forcing you to stay on windows?
19:41 shadowzone I hate windows to.
19:41 shadowzone I use linux mint 17.
19:42 Exio VanessaE, 1) locked hardware, 2) intel gma 3600
19:42 twoelk I love windows, I can open them, let in fresh air, and have nice daylight
19:42 Exio the hardware can be unlocked
19:42 Exio but the intel gma 3600, it is already shit under windows with the official driver, imagine under linux
19:43 Exio it is nice but only 2d accel
19:43 VanessaE what happened to your linux box then?
19:43 Exio my FX's HDD died
19:43 VanessaE so replace it?
19:43 VanessaE rip the HDD out of the win box :)
19:43 Exio like i had money :p
19:43 Exio this is a netbook
19:43 VanessaE ohh
19:44 VanessaE get an adapter
19:44 Exio it is just sata
19:44 VanessaE get an adapter. :P
19:44 Calinou 3.5" doesn't fit in 2.5"
19:44 Exio the problem is that it for taking the HDD, i would have to actually take out the keyboard, and also the mobo and shits
19:44 VanessaE I think the issue is the other way 'round, Calinou
19:44 Exio yeah
19:45 Calinou other way is easy-peasy
19:45 Calinou you can't put 3.5" drive in 2.5" laptop…
19:45 Exio if i could take the HDD it would be easy
19:45 VanessaE Exio: you're being lazy then ;)
19:45 Calinou my case's slots can be used for both 3.5" and 2.5", I have 8 of them
19:45 * twoelk has adapters and keeps canabilizing old HDDs
19:45 fling which mobs mod is the best?
19:45 VanessaE fling: creatures seems to be highly rated.
19:45 Exio Calinou, this is a working laptop with an HDD that works + desktop without HDD
19:46 sfan5 ^
19:46 fling thanks
19:46 sfan5 fling: creatures does not have many mobs, but quality ones
19:46 * twoelk has tried to plug in his old 5.25'' into something
19:46 PenguinDad fling: I would recommend Calinou's version of simple mobs
19:46 Exio quality over quantity!
19:47 fling can I use both?
19:47 VanessaE why?
19:47 VanessaE only use one.
19:47 Calinou never use both, they're totally incompatible
19:48 * PenguinDad feels that his mouse is dying
19:48 Calinou Creatures tends to spawn dozens of creatures for no reason :s
19:48 Calinou the balance is poor and they're heavy
19:48 Exio PenguinDad, i have a working mouse
19:48 Exio and my HDD is dead
19:48 Exio so i give you a mouse, and you give me a working sata HDD?
19:48 Exio :3
19:49 PenguinDad Exio: sorry but I can't do that
19:49 Exio :(
19:50 fling Calinou: where is your 'simple mobs' mod?
19:50 Exio meh, still lags like shit
19:50 VanessaE shadowzone: your presence in the server channel is needed.
19:50 Exio hahaha
19:50 VanessaE moderation on MTZ needed.  now.
19:50 Exio the gpu driver crashed
19:50 Exio "and windows recovered"
19:50 Exio ok ok
19:51 PenguinDad https://cdn.mediacru.sh/_QuK4I30euzT.png
19:52 Calinou PenguinDad, yay for Carbone Textures ;)
19:52 Exio feels like a MC zombie
19:52 SylvieLorxu PenguinDad: Survival mod?
19:52 SylvieLorxu Minetest has one?
19:52 Calinou fling, https://forum.minetest.net/v​iewtopic.php?f=11&amp;t=9656
19:52 Calinou Exio, yes, pretty much
19:54 PenguinDad SylvieLorxu: that's creatures spawning freaking out on Meowtest
19:54 SylvieLorxu Meowtest?
19:54 SylvieLorxu I like the name
19:55 Exio and the performance? :P
19:55 PenguinDad !server Meowtest
19:55 MinetestBot PenguinDad: No results
19:55 PenguinDad MinetestBot!
19:55 MinetestBot PenguinDad!
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19:56 PenguinDad Calinou: I like the carbone textures because they aren't so oversaturated
19:57 Calinou yeah, for once
19:57 Calinou I attempted to make a semi-realistic look
19:58 * twoelk is moving ~230mb worth of cache over to new mt build and favoriteservers.txt and minetest.conf and some games and importand worlds and ..... can't I define some common folder for all my run-in-place builds to use?
20:01 twoelk oops, forgot the textures and personal music -copy-copy-c...
20:02 fling Calinou: is it possible to add zombies to your mod somehow?
20:02 Calinou nope
20:02 Calinou but there are many other kinds of (more original) monsters
20:02 Calinou dirt monsters being the closest
20:03 Calinou (note: they don't spawn at night, only in caves; this is intended to not annoy and scare people who walk around at night)
20:03 fling Calinou: where is the repo btw?
20:04 Calinou all repos: http://gitorious.org/calinou/
20:04 fling mobs repository?
20:05 Calinou ah, that one isn't in a repository
20:05 Calinou but it's part of Carbone
20:05 Calinou the one you find in Carbone is more or less the same
20:05 fling ok
20:05 fling what is it's version?
20:06 Calinou there are no versions, it's rolling release
20:06 Calinou updated often
20:06 fling hmm hmmmm
20:06 Calinou if you want to talk about a specific “version”, specify the date of download/git pull
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20:20 ^v luajit is love i say
20:20 ^v luajit is life
20:22 PenguinDad ^v: are you so in love with luajit that you can't think straight?
20:23 ^v PenguinDad clearly hasnt used ffi yet
20:24 Calinou I noticed HexChat handles ligatures
20:24 ^v or LLs
20:24 Calinou the I of ffi has no dot
20:25 ^v Calinou, shows up for me
20:25 shadowzone I just joined Prison MT Server and my screen is all black in that normal?
20:28 Calinou depends on font
20:28 Calinou I use Fira Sans <http://dev.carrois.com/fira-3-1/>
20:29 sfan5 fira sans <3
20:30 ^v Calinou, why is the text so freaking big
20:30 VanessaE ew.
20:30 VanessaE that's worse than comic
20:30 WidDos Yeah shadow server not fully finished so got wait maybe
20:30 VanessaE at least that initial font at the top is.
20:30 Calinou it's preview
20:32 PenguinDad ^v: why should I use an API which isn't supported everywhere
20:34 ^v apparently the only place it isnt supported is newer iphones .-.
20:36 sfan5 ^v: once Android L comes out it will be newer Android phones too (Android L supports AArch64, phone manufac. are already planning to use it)
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20:42 twoelk ok, so Firefox struggling with some flash content was gobbling resources unnoticed, hm -
20:43 twoelk but moving around near VE-S spawn still is quite a chalenge
20:43 twoelk better but not good
20:43 VanessaE how is your fps?
20:44 twoelk sorry was just shutting stuff down
20:44 VanessaE ok how WAS your fps :P
20:45 Calinou sfan5, what does Android L change?
20:46 twoelk from castle to spawn was ok. community center was getting tricky and walking back to castle was more hit and miss than controlled movement
20:46 VanessaE twoelk: that sounds like you dont' even have a proper 3d driver anymore
20:46 twoelk seemed to build up or rather degrade
20:46 sfan5 Calinou: watch https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wtLJPvx7-ys
20:48 ^v D:
20:48 twoelk fps from castle 10-20, tleported to spawn dropped below 10 and mouse keeps losing focus
20:49 ^v google I/O was bad
20:49 VanessaE twoelk: oh, so about like it always used to be then?
20:49 twoelk uh? what happened to Dan's shop?
20:49 frogfish Hi
20:50 frogfish http://pastie.org/9420963 Would it be possible to make 999 items per item in the inventory?
20:50 VanessaE twoelk: repurposed and rebuild because Dan took his ball and went hom.
20:50 frogfish I can't figure out how to do this
20:50 VanessaE home*
20:50 VanessaE (read: ragequit)
20:50 twoelk again?
20:50 VanessaE ages ago
20:50 twoelk thought he returned
20:51 VanessaE I don't remember how long ago by now.
20:51 VanessaE and his "return" was only fleeting
20:51 VanessaE only long enough to say a few apologies really
20:51 twoelk yeah spawn is similar to the last visits I guess but this mt-screen freezing and the mouse going out of the gamescreen is new
20:52 VanessaE not really.
20:52 VanessaE I've had it do that for a long time
20:52 VanessaE as long as MT is slow enough, I can cause it to lose the mouse
20:52 VanessaE go over on my Vanilla server (30005)
20:52 VanessaE see how it behaves
20:52 twoelk well new to me then
20:53 twoelk windmill rotors seem sort of offset
20:54 VanessaE how's that?
20:55 * Calinou is working on a prison server
20:55 ^v mfw the comment on the bottom http://i.imgur.com/AJW4ij7.png
20:55 Calinou (it's in list)
20:56 ^v YOU WOULDNT DOWNLOAD A TEXTURE
20:57 VanessaE like hell I wouldn't :P
20:58 PenguinDad "you steal world generation" wat
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21:02 twoelk lol, my little pioneer hut on VE-V in front of all them hi-rise buildings really looks sort of out place now
21:02 VanessaE haha
21:03 VanessaE how's Vanilla looking to you?
21:03 twoelk maybe I should declare it an Historic Area ;-P
21:04 VanessaE haha
21:04 twoelk moving with farview on and seems to work well
21:04 VanessaE put it in the National Register of Historic Places? :)
21:04 VanessaE don't use Far view
21:04 VanessaE just let the client adjust it normally
21:05 twoelk but the view of spawn is so awesome :-)
21:05 shadowzone VanessaE I had a idea more like a test.
21:05 shadowzone What if Zeno` and Nare shut they're servers down for a day do you think your servers would bounce back?
21:06 VanessaE doubt it.
21:06 VanessaE twoelk: yeah see?  latest git is really good.
21:06 VanessaE twoelk: the problem now is how nodeboxes are handled, and survival uses a lot of them
21:07 VanessaE that and apparently some performance is lost due to config strings being read at the wrong times
21:08 twoelk hm, are zsx and juggy trying to claim my mine? Interesting
21:09 VanessaE idk
21:09 VanessaE you're never around :)
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21:11 twoelk aw com'on so many servers to test
21:11 VanessaE hehe
21:11 sfan5 !server
21:11 sfan5 MinetestBot!
21:11 MinetestBot sfan5!
21:11 sfan5 :((
21:11 VanessaE heh
21:11 sfan5 !server
21:11 sfan5 !server
21:11 sfan5 !server
21:11 MinetestBot ValueError: need more than 1 value to unpack (file "/home/user/mtbot/modules/server.py", line 124, in server)
21:12 MinetestBot ValueError: need more than 1 value to unpack (file "/home/user/mtbot/modules/server.py", line 124, in server)
21:12 PenguinDad VanessaE: Kick RealBadAngel's ass so he does that nodebox thing ;)
21:12 MinetestBot ValueError: need more than 1 value to unpack (file "/home/user/mtbot/modules/server.py", line 124, in server)
21:12 MinetestBot ValueError: need more than 1 value to unpack (file "/home/user/mtbot/modules/server.py", line 124, in server)
21:12 sfan5 uh
21:12 VanessaE PenguinDad: I have been
21:12 VanessaE RealBadAngel: fix the nodeboxes. :)
21:12 Yepoleb i get 502 bad gateway when i try to access the mod db
21:12 VanessaE Yepoleb: don't use the mod db.  download your mods from the forums.
21:13 sfan5 !server i:0
21:13 MinetestBot sfan5: Xanadu | 98.166.169.32 | Clients: 39/40, 28/39 | Version: 0.4.10 / minetest | Ping: 98ms
21:13 Yepoleb then why does it exist?
21:13 sfan5 !server i:0
21:13 MinetestBot sfan5: Xanadu | 98.166.169.32 | Clients: 39/40, 28/39 | Version: 0.4.10 / minetest | Ping: 98ms
21:13 sfan5 !server i:1
21:13 MinetestBot sfan5: Onez' Minetest Server | mtzeno.com | Clients: 19/20, 12/20 | Version: 0.4.10-dev / minetest | Ping: 228ms
21:13 sfan5 !server ping:least
21:13 MinetestBot sfan5: Xanadu | 98.166.169.32 | Clients: 39/40, 28/39 | Version: 0.4.10 / minetest | Ping: 98ms
21:13 PenguinDad The mod db seems to be a failed experiment
21:14 sfan5 ^
21:14 PenguinDad !server ping:most
21:14 MinetestBot PenguinDad: Xanadu | 98.166.169.32 | Clients: 39/40, 28/39 | Version: 0.4.10 / minetest | Ping: 98ms
21:14 PenguinDad wat
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21:34 sfan5 !server ping:most i:-1
21:34 MinetestBot sfan5:  | midnightsystems.net | Clients: 0/25, 0/0 | Version: 0.4.10 / minetest | Ping: 1176ms
21:34 sfan5 ^ PenguinDad
21:34 * sfan5 got his sorting wrong
21:34 * sfan5 goes to sleep
21:35 PenguinDad night sfan5
21:35 shadowzone Night sfan5
21:35 * shadowzone hands sfan5 some catnip for when he wakes up
21:36 Vazon What has changed in the minetest api from 0.4.10 stable to the latest dev? my server crashes when ever a newperson joins
21:37 PenguinDad Vazon: what's the error message?
21:37 Vazon nothing but world chunks failed to save( the world changes arent saving)
21:38 sfan5 Vazon: if it crashes there must be an error message
21:38 Vazon There is no message but a bunch of world blocks failed to save and there location
21:40 VanessaE Vazon: run it in a debugger or a console
21:40 VanessaE give us the last messages it printed
21:40 VanessaE pastebin
21:42 Vazon I dont understand?
21:42 VanessaE Vazon: run your server from a command prompt
21:43 Vazon it does
21:43 VanessaE then there must be errors there
21:43 Jordach !title https://imgur.com/gallery/8FcC4b7
21:43 MinetestBot Jordach: MRW I realize I&#039;m out of toilet paper. - Imgur
21:43 Vazon nope
21:43 VanessaE then run it in a debugger
21:43 Vazon no idea what you mean by debugger
21:43 sfan5 Vazon: can you pastebin what it says?
21:44 Calinou I got 12 players on a server started 1 hour ago, lol
21:45 PenguinDad The curse of new servers
21:48 Vazon pastebin.com/BUJVavhA
21:51 sfan5 looks like minetest is doing stuff sqlite doesn't understand
21:51 sfan5 Vazon: I suggest you to try leveldb
21:51 Vazon well it happens only when new players join then it reverts the world
21:56 VanessaE you're not running from inside the ZIP are you?
21:56 VanessaE I guess not
21:56 VanessaE (didn't see the paste)
21:57 VanessaE 07:42:47: ERROR[main]: ERROR: An unhandled exception occurred: Failed to bind socket (port already in use?)
21:57 VanessaE you're running two copies at once
21:57 Calinou PenguinDad, but many people are from iOS devices
21:57 Calinou really, the quality of Minetest players is extremely low these days
21:57 VanessaE Vazon: you have two copies of minetest accessing the same world files
21:57 VanessaE Calinou: yes and frankly, I'm sick of it
21:58 shadowzone VanessaE me to.
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21:58 shadowzone I think android and linux are my 2 favorite Os's.
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21:58 stormchaser3000 hi
21:59 SylvieLorxu shadowzone: I like Linux and Linux too :P
21:59 stormchaser3000 :P
21:59 SylvieLorxu stormchaser3000: Hi
21:59 stormchaser3000 hi
22:00 stormchaser3000 and hi shadowzone
22:00 stormchaser3000 just a sec ima switch to xchat
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22:02 Calinou https://cdn.mediacru.sh/lKK3ldvZmQaC.jpg
22:02 Calinou 15-16 players reached
22:02 stormchaser3000_ darn
22:02 stormchaser3000_ just a sec
22:02 * stormchaser3000_ needs to restart his computer
22:02 stormchaser3000 1234qazx
22:02 stormchaser3000 opp
22:02 stormchaser3000 oops*
22:04 pitriss nobody saw stormchaser's password..:D
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22:09 stormchaser3000 ok i am back
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22:11 pitriss stormchaser3000: wb, don't worry, nobody saw your password;)
22:12 PenguinDad pitriss: are you sure that 1234qazx is his password?
22:12 stormchaser3000 XD
22:12 stormchaser3000 that is true how can anyone be sure
22:13 pitriss most probably:) I saw many ppl doing that:D
22:13 stormchaser3000 lol some people already know my password
22:13 * stormchaser3000 changes password
22:15 stormchaser3000 there
22:15 stormchaser3000 password changed
22:15 Exio mfw the haskell test i wrote is faster than the C version
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22:16 pitriss stormchaser3000: we will wait till you will need to reboot again:D
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22:33 Vazon VanessaE: yes i do ( Sorry for the late responce had to cut me grass :3)
22:36 VanessaE Vazon: you can't run two copies of minetest on the same world files
22:36 VanessaE that's why it's breaking.
22:37 VanessaE one server instance, one world.  no exceptions.  at least if you're using sqlite or leveldb
22:37 Vazon in im not but there is another copy of minetest ( a back up) with that world on it
22:39 VanessaE Vazon: your log says another copy of minetest is on that same port
22:39 VanessaE which means you may have another instance trying to use that world
22:39 Vazon that is your restart script trying to start the server even tho it hasnt crashed ( been like that for weeks and has been doing that for at least 2 weeks now and this problem poped up last night on updating)
22:44 VanessaE then you did it wrong,.
22:44 Vazon ...nope exactly your script with my settings to get the infomation you need
22:44 VanessaE nope.avi
22:44 VanessaE my script will not restart a server that is not crashed
22:45 Vazon Well it is
22:45 VanessaE nope.
22:45 VanessaE by definition, it CAN'T.
22:46 VanessaE it can't restart a server that's still running because it has to loop to do it
22:46 VanessaE that loop can't cycle until the server exits.
22:48 Vazon http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/7859864/ <-- is this not your script?
22:49 Vazon because i got it from your site
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23:06 VanessaE that is my script but not in its entirety
23:06 VanessaE because my name ain't kodie :P
23:07 Vazon xD
23:07 VanessaE Vazon: if that script ain't working right, it's because you're killing the *script* rather than the *minetestserver process*
23:08 Vazon ?? all im doing is clicking on it and clicking execute so im not doing anything
23:08 VanessaE Vazon: FAIL
23:08 VanessaE that script is meant to be run in a terminal
23:08 Vazon it is
23:08 VanessaE (or in screen/nohup
23:08 VanessaE )
23:08 VanessaE if you close the terminal, you're killing the script
23:09 Vazon well im not closing the terminal :P
23:09 VanessaE you must be.
23:09 Vazon the terminal stays open
23:09 VanessaE there's no other way that script can loop unless the server IT started exits.
23:09 Vazon the terminal stays open
23:09 Vazon i dont close it
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23:38 stormchaser3000_ wtf
23:38 stormchaser3000_ ok i try to use my stormchaser3000 username
23:39 stormchaser3000_ and it said
23:39 stormchaser3000_ that it is temporarily unavailable
23:42 VanessaE probably due to that netsplit
23:43 Vazon VanessaE: what application that is already in the os reads .splite files? because mine has vanished
23:44 Vazon thus cant read the world.splite and crashes
23:44 VanessaE Vazon: there isn't one by default, but you can install sqlite3, not that you can DO anything with it.  it's not like you'll be able to make sense of minetest's map format
23:44 VanessaE Im telling you it's because you're not terminating the process correctly.
23:44 Vazon i cant even open the rollback.splite to clear it
23:45 VanessaE just delete it
23:45 VanessaE but you shouldn't need to
23:45 VanessaE look, you're supposed to only ever start that script ONE time, at system boot.
23:45 VanessaE or if you have to shut your server down for an extended period of time, such as to take a backup.
23:46 Vazon It has nothing to do with terminalting the server, nothing has changed since last night but the minetest version, and it was running fine before i updated! >_<
23:46 VanessaE any other time, you just terminate the minetestserver process with sigINT and it'll restart itself via that script automatically.
23:46 VanessaE G*d damn it Vazon, I wrote that script and I use it myself - EIGHT copies of it.
23:46 VanessaE I know how it works.
23:47 Vazon yes i know and it was working fine before i updated the server
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23:47 Vazon so it has nothing to do script
23:47 Vazon or terminaling it
23:47 VanessaE then you're launching multiple copies of the server.
23:47 Vazon terminating!
23:48 Vazon *
23:48 VanessaE and it's overwriting the map file.
23:48 Vazon no im click the restart.sh one time and clicking run in terminal then leaving it alone so no its not ..........
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23:52 yaman I have a question, how can I fix this code http://pastebin.com/t1qKXQYf
23:52 VanessaE yaman: move the privs check inside the on_rightclick handler.
23:53 VanessaE on_rightclick = blahblahblah() if privs == foo then blahblah end end
23:53 yaman thanks
23:55 VanessaE of course, check your privs properly
23:55 VanessaE I assume privs is a cache of the player's actual privileges.
23:55 VanessaE or will be.

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