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Time Nick Message
00:00 VanessaE (they'll all need to be the same)
00:00 crazyR thanks :D
00:00 VanessaE larger numbers move the text up, I think
00:00 VanessaE what change did you make?
00:00 VanessaE I'm curious
00:01 Jordach VanessaE, turns out setting a formspec via a function with a return is a bad idea :3
00:01 VanessaE Jordach: you suck :)
00:02 Jordach wwtf
00:02 Jordach i got into VIM
00:02 Jordach HALP
00:02 Jordach https://cdn.mediacru.sh/39CfTmaDsu2J.png
00:03 Jordach https://github.com/Jordach/big_freaking_dig/co​mmit/e19f53a60e5e34f892c7742add1af7db03a261b5
00:04 VanessaE escape w q
00:05 VanessaE enter
00:05 Jordach alt f4 + spawn new git bash
00:05 VanessaE that works too.
00:05 Jordach chests work perfectly fine now
00:07 shadowzone VanessaE Do you know where celeron55 got the idea to make minetest and why?
00:08 VanessaE ask him :P
00:08 Jordach expect /ignore
00:08 shadowzone How and where?
00:08 crazyR VanessaE: just been changing those values and its not had any effect on the signs
00:08 shadowzone Jordach got it.
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00:09 ShadowNinja Jordach: https://github.com/ShadowNinja/LuaBot  And Debian/ubuntu are weird, there are half a doven different luasocket packages depending on version.  But on a recent version it should be called lua-socket.
00:09 VanessaE crazyR: strange.  those settings are the ones you have to change to move the text.
00:09 Jordach ShadowNinja, lua-socket works in 14.10
00:09 Jordach or something
00:09 shadowzone Crazyr did you try saving it?
00:09 Jordach (don't remember current ver)
00:09 VanessaE shadowzone: lua-socket-dev
00:09 shadowzone *CrazyR
00:10 VanessaE ShadowNinja: ^^^
00:10 crazyR lol yeah
00:10 shadowzone Ok cause I often forget to save it then I get mad then I have a "Derp! moment.
00:10 * Jordach should update signs_liv
00:10 ShadowNinja VanessaE: There's also liblua51socket2 or something like that.
00:12 crazyR my bug report mod uses luasocket, It Koool
00:12 crazyR send the bug report over to my task managment system
00:12 crazyR *sends
00:12 * Jordach has considered making a place where users can have a consistent iventory across differing BFD servers
00:13 Jordach or if you don't want said inv, don't auth to the master server :)
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00:13 Jordach and no, storing it locally will bring the Terraria issue of inventory editors :3
00:14 kizeren Tried doing that once.  Storing locally, atleast in my pathatic attempt didn't work.  But meh.....would be neat to have that avaliablity.
00:18 crazyR does anybody have a modded unified inventry that looks like the new formspec from minetest_next ?
00:19 shadowzone Not me if I did I'd be using it.
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00:20 * Jordach takes an asprin to chill the headache
00:24 crazyR VanessaE: just double checked changing any of them values isnt moving any f the text on the signs
00:24 VanessaE strange
00:25 crazyR oh wait figured it
00:25 crazyR the signs have to be removed and replaced for it to take effect
00:25 VanessaE ah, yep
00:25 VanessaE I assumed you were doing that
00:25 crazyR lol, im too lazy
00:25 crazyR but go no choice now haha
00:25 VanessaE heh
00:26 * shadowzone sighs
00:26 * shadowzone goes off to start a new mod.
00:27 shadowzone Ok first I have a question about 0.4.10.
00:28 shadowzone Ok I copied my mods from 0.4.9's latest git version and they don't show up in the configure thing on my singleplayer or my server tab.
00:28 VanessaE then you put them in the wrong folder :)
00:29 shadowzone I deleted the old mods folder and replaced it completely.
00:30 crazyR is there any better quality fonts around for the sings?
00:30 crazyR *signs
00:31 kizeren So, VanessaE been playing with singlplayer MT. Frames seem better but not compared to your vanilla server.
00:31 VanessaE how's that?
00:32 LemonLake pumping out binary gold baby
00:32 VanessaE crazyR: yes, in the extrafonts dir
00:32 VanessaE there is a 34px font in there
00:32 kizeren Think because your server is doing all the hard stuff while my desktop is just doing rendering stuff.  When singleplayer, desktop doing it all.
00:32 LemonLake okay, now im actually out for the night
00:32 LemonLake cya folks
00:32 kizeren bye
00:33 VanessaE crazyR: swap that in in place of the existing font files in the textures folder.  the text will be at the same visible size but 2x the resolution.
00:33 VanessaE night LemonLake
00:33 VanessaE kizeren: oh, yes right.
00:33 VanessaE and yeah, the view range is insane now isn't it? :)
00:33 kizeren Sort of.
00:34 kizeren On my system...the far off objects constantly "refresh" or something strange.
00:34 VanessaE that happens to me, too
00:34 kizeren Ahh ok.
00:34 VanessaE the view range jumps in a bit, then jumps back out again
00:34 VanessaE no idea why it does that
00:34 kizeren Shaders don't work for me when the check box is marked.
00:34 shadowzone Wow why haven't I been here?
00:35 VanessaE been where?
00:35 shadowzone in this channel?
00:35 kizeren Smooth lighting doesn't seem to work properly on snow either. But meh...
00:35 VanessaE shadowzone: dunno, because you never asked? :)
00:35 shadowzone This is where everything happens.
00:35 VanessaE shadowzone: yep
00:35 VanessaE this is where we discuss more serious stuff about the engine and games
00:36 VanessaE unlike on the server channel where all the ...eh... immature shit happens
00:36 VanessaE (of course it gets that way here too sometimes)
00:36 shadowzone Yeah it happens everywhere.
00:36 VanessaE kizeren: snow is a nodebox, no smooth lighting on those.
00:37 kizeren Ahhh
00:37 kizeren Never thought of that.
00:37 VanessaE well, it's a "leveled" node
00:37 VanessaE but that's still a nodebox internally I think
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01:17 Abandonikus hi
01:18 VanessaE hi
01:18 shadowzone Hi, how are you
01:18 shadowzone ?
01:19 Abandonikus boring
01:20 Abandonikus I'm just downloaded this game, but no one want to help
01:20 Abandonikus I don't know how to collect blocks
01:22 pitriss Abandonikus: Where are you playing? Singleplayer or on some online serve?
01:22 Abandonikus Online, xanadu server
01:22 Jordach *heavy breathing* http://slipsum.com/
01:23 VanessaE Abandonikus: you probably need to get interact from one of the server's moderators.
01:23 Abandonikus And now i'm stuc in some hole and dont know how to exit
01:23 pitriss Abandonikus: You need to ask for interact priv on Xanadu server IIRC
01:23 VanessaE Abandonikus: in most servers, you can /spawn or /respawn to get out of somewhere that you're stuck in
01:24 Abandonikus I will try /respawn , cause /spawn not working
01:24 Abandonikus Is there any server that i dont need permision to collect blocks?
01:25 pitriss from memory linuxgaming.us should have interact by default
01:26 Abandonikus Ok, thanks
01:26 pitriss yw
01:28 VanessaE Abandonikus: most servers require you to request interact
01:28 VanessaE it's to help control griefers
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01:45 shadowzone Bye I will see you all tomorrow.
01:45 VanessaE bbl
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02:40 swaaws minetest forum down ?!?
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06:32 nman3600 Anyone have a flag suggestion for my flags mod?
06:33 PenguinDad I only have two spam suggestions https://forum.minetest.net/v​iewtopic.php?f=3&t=9805 & https://forum.minetest.net/v​iewtopic.php?f=3&t=9806
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06:37 nman3600 Should I do the costa-rican flag?
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06:47 nman3600_ About time.
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06:54 nman3600 Sneak peek for flags 1.5: https://mediacru.sh/feEmoa1TWlFN
07:18 LemonLake VanessaE: Solid 65C
07:19 LemonLake 26176 accepted shares
07:20 LemonLake 12 rejected
07:23 LemonLake 144 rejected*
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07:58 nman3600 I'm always crashing on hexchat...
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08:06 sfan5 yes!
08:06 PenguinDad yay! http://games.usvsth3m.com/204​8/powers-of-three-edition-16/
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08:12 PenguinDad sfan5: spam for you :P https://forum.minetest.net/v​iewtopic.php?f=3&t=9805 & https://forum.minetest.net/v​iewtopic.php?f=3&t=9806
08:14 sfan5 >Sometimes we just want a quiet environment to enjoy ourselves. Then you may need this cellular jammer [...].
08:14 sfan5 lolwatr
08:14 sfan5 -r
08:14 Calinou encase yourself in a house made of Meze
08:19 * sfan5 meows at Calinou
08:20 * nman3600 strokes sfan5
08:21 * sfan5 is a cat
08:21 * PenguinDad meows at nman3600
08:21 nman3600 :D
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08:27 sfan5 meow
08:27 sfan5 hi everyone
08:27 sfan5 hi MinetestBot
08:27 MinetestBot Hello sfan5
08:28 sfan5 BIRTHDAYS
08:28 sfan5 Congratulations to: Megaf (27)
08:28 sfan5 :o
08:28 PenguinDad <3 MinetestBot
08:28 MinetestBot <3 PenguinDad
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09:34 nman3600 こんにちは
09:46 PenguinDad ニャー
09:51 * sfan5 meows at nman3600
09:51 nman3600 こんにちは sfan5
09:51 sfan5 こんいちは
09:52 sfan5 s/い/に/
09:55 fling sfan5: looks like this patch fixes /usr/local/ problem -> http://bpaste.net/show/490679/
09:57 LemonLake hmmm
09:57 LemonLake i broke my miner
09:57 LemonLake got banned :/
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10:02 JRowe hey, so I have skylands mod installed, how do I activate it?
10:10 sfan5 fling: yes that fixes it, but it simply forces minetest to use the system lua (which has an s/\/usr\/local/\/usr/ patch)
10:10 sfan5 JRowe: use the "configure" menu
10:10 sfan5 <LemonLake> got banned :/
10:10 sfan5 oh
10:10 sfan5 gone
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10:11 Krock hi
10:11 JRowe ok, I enabled it, but I'm not seeing any skylands biomes
10:11 PenguinDad Krock: http://games.usvsth3m.com/204​8/powers-of-three-edition-16/
10:11 Krock :D
10:12 JRowe do i use the v6 mapgen?
10:12 sfan5 JRowe: did you make sure to create a new world?
10:12 JRowe I'm creating a new world now - no seed, v6 mapgen selected
10:12 JRowe minetest Game?
10:14 sfan5 yes
10:15 JRowe ok
10:16 JRowe then i enabled skylands and the dependencies and I'm not seeing any skylands lol
10:18 Krock fly up to 100m
10:18 JRowe how do i tell how high I am?
10:18 JRowe I'm above the clouds
10:19 Krock F5
10:20 JRowe ok
10:20 JRowe 100 is right below the clouds
10:21 Krock skylands is a mod, right? so say /mods and search it there. if it's missing ...
10:22 JRowe its there
10:22 PenguinDad JRowe: go atleast up to ~700
10:23 JRowe nice
10:23 JRowe it started to activate
10:23 JRowe error : not enough memory
10:25 JRowe restarted
10:25 sfan5 how much RAM does your computer have?
10:25 JRowe lol, 8 gigs
10:25 JRowe i have a ton of stuff running, fixing that
10:25 sfan5 lol
10:26 sfan5 minetest uses 1 gigabyte at max (on my computer)
10:27 Krock (depends on texture pack)
10:27 PenguinDad sfan5: maybe he uses HDX 512px :P
10:27 sfan5 default textures
10:27 JRowe I did try hdx 512
10:27 JRowe but my eyes started to bleed
10:27 JRowe (using my work pc with no gfx card, every other pixel was white)
10:28 sfan5 no gfx card?
10:28 sfan5 there much be one
10:28 sfan5 otherwise you would be seeing nothing at all
10:28 sfan5 probably IGP then
10:29 JRowe yes
10:29 PenguinDad playing minetest in text mode over serial bus lol
10:29 JRowe no "external" gfx card
10:29 JRowe found my first island
10:29 JRowe neat ;D
10:34 fling sfan5: this is an example of files installed from an old luairc lib -> http://bpaste.net/show/490741/
10:34 fling sfan5: which file to put where when I install this one? -> https://github.com/ShadowNinja/LuaIRC
10:34 * fling is still packaging things ;>
10:35 sfan5 fling: git clone https://github.com/ShadowNinja/LuaIRC.git /usr/share/lua/5.1/irc/ <- like that
10:35 fling sfan5: don't I need to have /usr/share/lua/5.1/irc.lua file or something?
10:35 sfan5 no
10:35 fling ok, thanks
10:35 sfan5 theres /usr/share/lua/5.1/init.lua
10:35 PenguinDad fling: stop pack aging things and start playing ;)
10:36 fling PenguinDad: haha :D
10:36 PenguinDad *packaging
10:36 fling I have built autosmelter
10:36 sfan5 fling: you also maybe want to put README.md and LICENSE.txt to /usr/share/doc/luairc
10:36 fling I just drop some ore and coal into a hole
10:36 fling and it puts ignots into a chest :>
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10:37 fling sfan5: ok thanks
10:37 sfan5 o/ asie
10:37 asie hi
10:37 fling asie: Hello.
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10:52 Krock GIT: "Some updates" by Krock at https://github.com/SmallJoker/minetest-u_skinsdb
11:06 Krock lol.. I got the error of "too much objects in the mapblock" - got a disconnect :<
11:07 fling 18:06:40: ERROR[main]: The following mods could not be found: "irc" http://bpaste.net/show/490788/
11:09 fling Is it a wrong global dir for mods?
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11:24 Jordach !tw sfan5
11:24 MinetestBot Jordach: Give me a link, a @username, or a tweet id
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11:24 Jordach nice mouse pointer sfan5
11:25 sfan5 I currently use "oneko -speed 999 -idle 0 -rv" as a mouse pointer
11:27 Jordach sfan5, stop breaking things :3
11:27 sfan5 not my fault
11:29 fling sfan5: 18:06:40: ERROR[main]: The following mods could not be found: "irc" http://bpaste.net/show/490788/
11:29 fling sfan5: it is searching for games in /usr/share/games/minetest/games
11:29 fling sfan5: but not searching for mods in /usr/share/games/minetest/mods ?
11:30 sfan5 fling: no
11:30 sfan5 it doesn't look there by default
11:30 fling how to make it look there too by the default?
11:30 fling do I need a patch?
11:31 sfan5 yes
11:31 sfan5 IIRC debian has one
11:31 fling sfan5: thanks
11:33 sfan5 fling: http://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/pkg-games/mine​test-v04x.git/tree/debian/patches/shared_mods
11:33 sfan5 this is what debian uses
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11:38 fling sfan5: thanks
11:39 shadowzone Hi.
11:40 JRowe ok, so waterfalls from 1500 m falling over sky islands all the way down to the ground are pretty awesome
11:43 JRowe this pc isnt liking it ;P
11:44 PenguinDad Awesomeness overflow exception :D
11:44 fling sfan5: applied but still 18:44:27: ERROR[main]: The following mods could not be found: "irc"
11:44 fling hmm hmmmm
11:45 sfan5 fling: maybe there is another patch..
11:48 JRowe is there a limit on how much water can be flowing?
11:48 sfan5 not really
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12:10 raffahacks did someone try to run mt on raspberry pi?
12:12 sfan5 raffahacks: client or server?
12:12 shadowzone Yep megaf did.
12:12 raffahacks client
12:13 sfan5 dunno about that
12:13 sfan5 but server works
12:13 PenguinDad ,00Megaf didn't try that afaik
12:13 raffahacks shadowzone: did megaf run client or server?
12:14 shadowzone I think server side.
12:14 raffahacks mmh... i think client's too heavy
12:14 sfan5 how about you test it?
12:14 raffahacks what is new in 0.4.10
12:15 raffahacks don't have a pi now
12:16 PenguinDad raffahacks: look at the changelog http://dev.minetest.net/in​dex.php?title=Changelog#0.4.9_.E2.86.92_0.4.10
12:17 raffahacks Raspberry Pi Minetest optimisation - the start: http://youtu.be/nCbnF9OAne4
12:17 raffahacks seems laggy
12:19 raffahacks do you know a good manual for c++ and irrlicht?
12:19 raffahacks in english or italian
12:20 * PenguinDad throws something totally unrelated in the channel https://developer.mozilla.or​g/en-US/docs/Web/JavaScript
12:20 Krock sfan5, woul you be so nice and move https://forum.minetest.net/v​iewtopic.php?f=9&amp;t=9807 to "Mod Releases"?
12:21 sfan5 !tw https://twitter.com/sfan55​/status/491903765394382848
12:21 MinetestBot Today: My mouse pointer is invisible or Why you should never reboot your Linux system. (@sfan55)
12:21 sfan5 ^ Krock
12:21 sfan5 that means no
12:21 Krock oh..
12:21 sfan5 ask joepie91
12:21 sfan5 Jordach*
12:21 Krock Jordach!
12:23 raffahacks !tw http://twitter.com/fakeuser495929948288843891
12:23 MinetestBot Sorry, couldn't get a tweet from http://twitter.com/fakeuser495929948288843891 (@fakeuser495929948288843891)
12:23 raffahacks ok it handles well
12:23 raffahacks sorry for spam
12:24 raffahacks ;)
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12:27 raffahacks who is developing for android
12:27 sfan5 sapier
12:27 raffahacks is he here
12:28 Krock !tell kaeza Could you add support in your IRC mod for the [channels] mod?
12:28 MinetestBot Krock: I'll pass that on when kaeza is around
12:29 raffahacks is 1ghz dual core ok for mt?
12:29 Krock still yes :P
12:29 sfan5 raffahacks: yes
12:29 Krock depends on graphic card
12:30 raffahacks mali 400mhz
12:30 raffahacks do you know?
12:31 sfan5 400mhz says nothing about the capabilities of your gfx card
12:32 raffahacks mali 400 gp2
12:32 raffahacks mp2*
12:32 sfan5 raffahacks: yes, it will probably run mt
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12:34 raffahacks http://www.arm.com/products/multimedia/​mali-graphics-hardware/mali-400-mp.php
12:34 raffahacks i'm absolutely not expert on gpus
12:34 raffahacks will it lag?
12:35 Krock I only have one arm
12:35 * Krock looks at sfan5
12:35 sfan5 raffahacks: nobody can determine that without actually trying
12:36 raffahacks i will
12:37 raffahacks am i the only one who just trolls on this channel without doing anything in programmin? :)
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12:38 sfan5 no
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12:44 shadowzone I come on here to learn more about lua I am a first time mod maker.
12:44 Krock how to make a mod to create mods?
12:46 sfan5 !unban *!*@unaffiliates/marktwain
12:46 sfan5 !unban *!*@unaffiliated/marktwain
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12:46 shadowzone Krock I have no idea.
12:46 markv Hello everyone!
12:46 shadowzone Hi.
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12:47 markv !c 1+2
12:47 markv :(
12:48 Krock !c 1 + 2
12:48 MinetestBot 3
12:50 Krock !c 'markv' / 2
12:50 MinetestBot TypeError: unsupported operand type(s) for /: 'str' and 'int'
12:50 markv ...
12:50 markv You can try /exec
12:50 Krock /exec
12:50 markv ...
12:51 markv no space
12:51 * Jordach loves VMWare
12:51 Krock - Unknown command (exec)
12:51 markv Depending on your client
12:51 markv Well then
12:51 markv Just looking how to execute python
12:51 Jordach markv, on you're own fucking command line
12:51 markv Jordach, *Your
12:52 markv I know how the command works
12:52 * Krock could add lua to his IRC bot :D
12:53 markv python -c right?
12:53 PenguinDad ''help
12:53 HLuaBot Commands: reload, load, unload, plugins, op, deop, devoice, voice, join, part, help, uptime, echo, raw, eval, quit, more, ping, shutdown, config, tell -- Use 'help <command name>' to get help with a specific command.
12:53 PenguinDad ''ping
12:54 HLuaBot Pong
12:54 Krock ''tell PenguinDad hai!
12:54 HLuaBot I'll tell that to "PenguinDad" next time I see them around.
12:54 PenguinDad lol
12:54 Krock :/
12:54 PenguinDad Krock: HLuaBot (~LuaBot@cpe-67-241-154-164.buffalo.res.rr.com): [2014-07-23T13:54:13] <Krock> PenguinDad: hai!
12:54 Krock :D
12:55 PenguinDad she's a bit more personal than MinetestBot
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13:20 markv Can I execute python without starting the interpreter interactively?
13:20 markv Sort of as a hexchat /exec thing
13:20 markv /exec python -c 9**9**9**9
13:20 Exio python -e ?
13:21 markv -e
13:21 markv Unknown option: -e
13:22 e1z0 /exec perl -e "fork while fork"
13:22 e1z0 :|
13:22 Exio python -c then
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13:25 markv Perl doesn't return output either
13:26 * PenguinDad throws :(){ :|: & };: at e1z0
13:28 e1z0 markv, if you need to get stdout use exec -o
13:28 markv Linux xubuntu 3.13.0-24-generic #46-Ubuntu SMP Thu Apr 10 19:11:08 UTC 2014 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
13:29 markv Okay
13:29 markv That sends it to the channel
13:29 markv This could end badly, I'll go test elsewhere
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13:29 markv i really don't get any output from python
13:30 Jordach ello ecutruin
13:30 ecutruin Heyo.
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13:38 Krock .OyeH
13:38 Jordach ecutruin, managed to make a minetest server using VMWare
13:38 ecutruin Kewl.
13:39 Jordach and i wanted IRC :)
13:39 ecutruin I've went back to MC for now. ^-^  I started working on mod development again.  I'll continue to keep an eye on MT of course.
13:39 Jordach yeah :)
13:43 * sfan5 meows at ecutruin
13:44 ecutruin Hey sfan5. :3
13:45 sfan5 hi
13:47 * Jordach has made thoughts about a Minetest server for the IRC regulars
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13:53 Krock Jordach!
13:53 Jordach waht
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13:53 Krock woul you be so nice and move https://forum.minetest.net/v​iewtopic.php?f=9&amp;t=9807 to "Mod Releases"?
13:54 Jordach check again
13:55 Krock thanks.
13:55 Jordach remind me to set that 12ft pool up
13:55 Krock huh?
13:55 Jordach it's really hot over here
13:55 Krock :P
13:55 Krock oke
13:55 Jordach no away nicks please
13:57 Jordach http://www.accuweather.com/en/gb/bu​xton/nr10-5/weather-forecast/716122
13:57 Jordach pfffffff
13:58 Krock_awake 24° everywhere
14:00 markv I've got a riddle: http://ix.io/dxg
14:00 markv The answer be the key to #mkt
14:02 Jordach ASCII codes, really
14:03 * Jordach goes back to his G9 prototype
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14:32 * Krock_tells Jordach, he should set up his 12ft pool
14:37 * GhostDoge_licks Krock
14:37 Krock :D
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14:42 Krock !tell Megaf Happy B-day!
14:42 MinetestBot Krock: I'll pass that on when Megaf is around
14:42 markv !tell Megaf Happy Birthday!
14:42 MinetestBot markv: I'll pass that on when Megaf is around
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14:43 PenguinDad ''tell Megaf Happy Birthday!
14:43 HLuaBot I'll tell that to "Megaf" next time I see them around.
14:43 * sfan5 meows at PenguinDad
14:44 shadowzone sfan5 why?
14:44 markv Who?
14:44 PenguinDad Megaf will get birthday spam :D
14:44 * sfan5 is a cat
14:44 markv HLuaBot
14:44 * PenguinDad meows at sfan5
14:44 markv HLuaBot, hi
14:44 HLuaBot Unknown command "hi". Try "help".
14:44 PenguinDad Hi HLuaBot
14:44 * sfan5 meows at PenguinDad
14:44 sfan5 <3 MinetestBot
14:44 MinetestBot <3 sfan5
14:44 * PenguinDad pets sfan5
14:45 * sfan5 purrs
14:45 markv WOah HLuaBot up 11 daya
14:45 sfan5 pfff
14:45 markv ...
14:45 sfan5 !py __import__("os").popen("uptime").read()
14:45 MinetestBot ' 10:45:44 up 147 days, 20:17,  0 users,  load average: 0.12, 0.06, 0.01\n'
14:45 markv Well then
14:46 PenguinDad MinetestBot: what's so amazing about that?
14:46 PenguinDad * markv
14:46 markv 15:46:08 up 189 days,  1:20,  1 user,  load average: 2.62, 3.44, 3.63
14:46 markv Beat dat
14:46 Partmedia :p
14:47 shadowzone Ya'll ok?
14:47 markv Beat dis too: http://ix.io/dxj
14:47 * sfan5 meows at shadowzone
14:47 markv Time goes really slow when I nmap things
14:47 Exio 24 cpus?
14:47 Exio or 24 cores?
14:47 markv 24 core == 24 cpus, right?
14:47 markv It does say cpus
14:47 Exio cpus != cores
14:48 PenguinDad markv: nope
14:48 * shadowzone throws a ball of yarn at sfan5
14:48 Exio and threads != cores
14:48 Exio markv, for example: an i7 4770, is 1 CPU, has 4 CORES, and 8 THREADS
14:48 Partmedia (my SMP treats cores as logical CPUs, only reliable way is to look at dmesg on boot)
14:49 markv Hmm
14:49 markv That means 2 threads per core
14:49 markv I don't get the 4770
14:49 markv Or the other pointless numbers
14:49 Partmedia btw, anyone know of a way to re-generate mobf spawners on an existing world?
14:49 Exio it is the model
14:49 markv USE Xeon v1
14:49 markv v2, v3
14:49 markv Etc
14:49 Exio markv, cat /proc/cpuinfo
14:50 PenguinDad Integers are pointless numbers :D
14:50 sfan5 ^
14:51 Exio numbers are pointless doubles!
14:51 sfan5 unsigned integers are way better
14:51 markv Exio, http://ix.io/dxk
14:51 Exio nah
14:51 Exio integers
14:52 Exio http://ark.intel.com/es/products/64​594/Intel-Xeon-Processor-E5-2620-15​M-Cache-2_00-GHz-7_20-GTs-Intel-QPI
14:52 Exio so you have 12 cores and 24 threads, nice
14:52 Exio and two cpus
14:53 markv :(
14:53 * markv is sad now
14:54 markv http://ix.io/dxl
14:54 markv <3 is.io
14:54 markv <3 ix*.io
14:55 PenguinDad <3 sprunge.us
14:56 markv We seem to have a problem http://pastie.org/9415061
14:56 Exio markv, why sad lol
14:56 Exio by having two CPUs you're already over the average
14:56 markv only 12 cores :(
14:57 Exio lol
14:57 Exio i want a quad-cpu mobo
14:57 markv I actually only have 2 on this machine
14:57 Exio with opterons
14:57 markv model name: Intel(R) Pentium(R) CPU G2030 @ 3.00GHz methinks this is not so good
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14:57 Exio your system supports only 380GB of ram (the xeon sys)
14:58 * shadowzone grins
14:58 Exio 384*
14:59 PenguinDad of course 384GB aren't enough :P
15:00 markv What if i get 100G of swap...
15:00 PenguinDad > swap
15:01 markv http://colocrossing.com/servers
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15:03 rubenwardy Hi all!
15:03 Calinou hi rubenwardy
15:04 PenguinDad hey rubenwardy
15:04 Calinou markv, WOT rating says it's a scam \o/
15:04 Calinou yellow trustworthiness
15:04 Exio WOT is shit
15:04 Exio the end.
15:04 Calinou it's almost always true
15:04 Calinou hey, gnu.org is just “Other”, not “Politics/Religion”
15:04 PenguinDad plol
15:05 markv Can you find out who hosts it? 185.24.99.233
15:05 Krock is there already an issue or pull for bigger names ingame?
15:06 PenguinDad Krock: you mean like PENGUINDAD?
15:06 Krock PenguinDad, caps != bigger
15:06 PenguinDad caps == louda
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15:16 markv http://ix.io/dxn
15:16 markv Vs http://ix.io/dxo
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15:19 Will_McDade Hey, er, I just did a forum post, and then came here. I use Arch Linux with the Enlightenment desktop and Minetest doesn't seem to start.
15:19 sfan5 what does it say if you start it in the console?
15:19 Will_McDade Also the init system is not systemd, it is OpenRC.
15:20 Will_McDade Irrlicht log: Irrlicht Engine version 1.8.1
15:20 Will_McDade Irrlicht log: Linux 3.14.13-1-lts #1 SMP Fri Jul 18 18:39:25 CEST 2014 x86_64
15:20 Will_McDade Irrlicht log: Using renderer: OpenGL 3.3.0
15:20 Will_McDade Irrlicht log: GeForce 210/PCIe/SSE2: NVIDIA Corporation
15:20 Will_McDade Irrlicht log: OpenGL driver version is 1.2 or better.
15:20 Will_McDade Irrlicht log: GLSL version: 3.3
15:20 Exio could you use a pastebin?
15:20 sfan5 ^
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15:20 Will_McDade oh yeah. sorry
15:20 sfan5 oh look, heres proller, our favourite minetest developer /s
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15:20 * Jordach throws sfan5 fire arrows
15:21 * sfan5 meows
15:21 Will_McDade the window comes up for a second but disappears quickly. it is open but not visible at all.
15:21 * Amaz is roflol
15:21 * PenguinDad shoots a torch arrow at ${random-nick}
15:21 Jordach Will_McDade, that should run
15:22 Will_McDade I know
15:23 sfan5 Will_McDade: is that everything it outputs?
15:23 markv !randomnick
15:23 Will_McDade yes
15:23 sfan5 does it crash?
15:24 Will_McDade Nope. I have to CTRL+C in the terminal to close it though
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15:26 Calinou what does init system have to do with the game
15:26 sfan5 Will_McDade: version?
15:26 PenguinDad lol since I use -march=native minetest doesn't have these random segfaults anymore
15:26 Will_McDade 0.4.10-1
15:27 sfan5 let me try to reproduce
15:27 sfan5 can't reproduce
15:28 sfan5 Will_McDade: could you build minetest from source?
15:28 Will_McDade ok
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15:32 Calinou https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/1 → people always reference this by mistake
15:33 sfan5 s/people/GitHub/ s/reference/references/
15:34 * Will_McDade has rubbish internet
15:34 Krock Calinou, not the first who notices that. pull or issue 2 isn't better
15:34 MinetestBot Krock: 07-21 15:27 UTC <PenguinDad> meow
15:34 rubenwardy lol
15:34 Krock !tell PenguinDad moo moo
15:34 MinetestBot Krock: I'll pass that on when PenguinDad is around
15:34 * PenguinDad has rubbish internet too
15:34 MinetestBot PenguinDad: 07-23 20:34 UTC <Krock> moo moo
15:35 Will_McDade theres a sysinfo command in hexchat? :o
15:35 sfan5 HexChat: 2.10.0 ** OS: Linux 3.15.5-2-ARCH x86_64 ** Distro: ArchLinux ** CPU: 4 x Intel(R) Core(TM) i5-2410M CPU @ 2.30GHz (GenuineIntel) @ 804MHz ** RAM: Physical: 7,7GiB, 80,1% free ** Disk: Total: 85,3GiB, 69,5% free ** VGA: Intel Corporation 2nd Generation Core Processor Family Integrated Graphics Controller ** Sound: HDA-Intel - HDA Intel PCH ** Ethernet: 645 NetLink BCM57785 Gigabit Ethernet PCIe ** Uptime: 2h 36m
15:35 sfan5 10s **
15:35 PenguinDad Calinou: also https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/2
15:35 sfan5 damn you hexchat
15:35 Will_McDade i cannot compare...
15:35 Will_McDade HexChat: 2.10.0 ** OS: Linux 3.14.13-1-lts x86_64 ** Distro: ArchLinux ** CPU: 2 x Intel(R) Core(TM)2 CPU          6300  @ 1.86GHz (GenuineIntel) @ 1.86GHz ** RAM: Physical: 2.8GiB, 77.6% free ** Disk: Total: 527.7GiB, 79.6% free ** VGA: NVIDIA Corporation GT218 [GeForce 210] ** Sound: HDA-Intel - HDA Intel1: HDA-Intel - HDA NVidia ** Ethernet: Intel Corporation 82566DM Gigabit Network Connection **
15:35 Will_McDade Uptime: 24m 37s **
15:36 rubenwardy I tried getting HexChat to work on Linux, it was painful
15:36 * sfan5 has a laptop that is about 3 years old
15:36 * Krock has a PC which is about 8 years old
15:37 * PenguinDad has a PC which is 2 years old
15:37 Will_McDade Why am I tar xf'ing a zip...
15:37 sfan5 ^
15:38 Will_McDade I built this PC a week ago!
15:38 Will_McDade cost me £50 excluding the parts I already had.
15:38 sfan5 I assume not from new parts?
15:38 sfan5 ah
15:38 * Jordach is still working on his Zoostorm
15:38 Will_McDade no... 2nd hand mostly...
15:38 Jordach 2x GTX750ti :3
15:39 Krock 1x GT6600!!
15:39 sfan5 Jordach: how much $$?
15:39 Jordach the second one is mainly rendering
15:39 PenguinDad 1x GTX650
15:39 Exio my computers: an amd duron from 2001 + an amd bulldozer from 2012(?)
15:39 Will_McDade 1x MSi Geforce GT N210!
15:39 Jordach http://www.ebuyer.com/618542-msi-gtx-750-ti-oc-2gb​-gddr5-vga-dvi-hdmi-pci-e-graphics-n750ti-2gd5-oc <- one of these
15:39 Krock 1x SiS 667
15:39 Krock ^beats everything
15:39 sfan5 1x NVIDIA GeForce GT 520M here
15:40 Will_McDade I set up Windows 7 in VMware earlier. It hurt my eyes.
15:40 Krock yeah. don't use VMware. thn it's better
15:40 Will_McDade Haven't used Windows in months.
15:40 sfan5 VirtualBox ftw
15:40 PenguinDad KVM/qemu ftnw
15:40 Will_McDade VirtualBox is great when you have guest additions installed :P
15:41 Will_McDade VMware has a xorg driver that works OOTB :)
15:41 Will_McDade But thats Linux hosts.
15:41 Will_McDade *guests*
15:43 Jordach Will_McDade, i'm running 3x VMWare clients on AMD-V 1x Mac OSX, 2x Linux Headless + Xubuntu
15:43 Will_McDade Nice
15:43 Exio why do you even need a virtual machine when you have linux containers?
15:43 Will_McDade MacOSX guest? :p
15:43 Jordach and Minetest is still pushing 120fps
15:43 PenguinDad Jordach: try that with failminer :p
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15:45 Jordach PenguinDad, the Xubuntu instance runs the MT server (much easier to work with when you have a folder in the bg with a xterm upfront)
15:45 * sfan5 meows at Jordach
15:46 Jordach AMD-V/RVI even :3
15:46 Will_McDade Minetest didn't work.
15:47 Will_McDade I have a plan.
15:47 Will_McDade I'll quickly install LXDE, change desktops, and see if it is Enlightenment causing the problem.
15:47 Krock run a 32bit minetest version on a 64bit linux, using a VBox :P
15:48 Calinou shame on you for VMWare :(
15:48 Will_McDade I use the free VMware Player.... but only if I need to do performance stuff. Most of the time I use Virtualbox.
15:49 sfan5 Krock: one uses qemu-user for such things
15:49 Krock sfan5, or that...
15:49 Will_McDade brb
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15:53 Will_McDade LXDE works...
15:56 Will_McDade well
15:56 Will_McDade the dev release wont let me create a world...
15:56 sfan5 whats the error
15:56 sfan5 brb
15:59 Will_McDade ERROR: No worldname given or no game selected
16:01 rubenwardy FAQ :P
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16:20 Krock this is the sound of silence
16:20 * shadowzone hands Krock a cookie
16:21 * Krock arms shadowzone a kitteh
16:21 * rubenwardy is wrestling with Irrlicht
16:22 shadowzone Hi rudenwardy.
16:22 shadowzone *ruben
16:22 * Krock feets shadowzone names autocomplete
16:23 shadowzone Krock huh do what with my name?
16:23 Krock [name autocomplete]
16:23 shadowzone Oh.
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16:24 rubenwardy Hi shadowzone
16:29 Jordach tl;dr mowing the lawn sucks
16:29 Jordach (i have considered
16:30 Jordach retrofitting the brains of a roomba)
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16:31 Jordach afternoon asie
16:32 PenguinDad evenings asie
16:32 asie hi
16:38 shadowzone Jordach what is so bad about mowing the lawn?
16:38 Jordach it's boring as fuck
16:39 shadowzone Oh.
16:40 Jordach GPS +  Co-ords = automated grass cutting
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16:41 VanessaE hi all, again
16:42 shadowzone Hi VanessaE.
16:45 VanessaE Jordach: GPS isn't accurate enough for that
16:45 VanessaE but immediate-area radio ranging of some kind should be
16:51 Megaf_ Hi everyone
16:52 Megaf_ It's been a while already and no crashes at all
16:54 shadowzone Happy birthday Megaf_
16:54 fling ok so why is not the patch working? -> http://bpaste.net/show/491571/
16:54 Megaf_ Thanks shadowzone =)
16:54 fling patched successfully, still can't found a mod in /usr/…
16:54 VanessaE get_mods ?
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16:55 VanessaE oh, not familiar with the mod manager's code.
16:56 fling VanessaE: the idea is to make it to load mods from /usr/share/games/minetest/mods
16:56 fling VanessaE: the similar way it is loading games from /usr/share/games/minetest/games
16:57 Exio VanessaE, and it would be nice app to code
16:58 fling sfan5: ^ it is still not doing what I want
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17:03 PenguinDad "Most users ever online was 231 on 04 Jun 2014, 10:41" :O
17:04 zoz anybody have 4.10 working on OpenBSD?
17:05 VanessaE 0.4.10*
17:07 zoz so i need to compile master?
17:09 PenguinDad the only thing I know regarding *BSD is that minetest runs on FreeBSD
17:10 fling is modmgr.lua is only for GUI?
17:10 fling builtin/mainmenu/modmgr.lua
17:12 fling btw what is mainmenu?
17:13 Exio the main... menu?
17:13 fling Exio: gui?
17:13 Krock start minetest - there's main menu
17:13 fling ok so I need similar thing but for server and not for mainmenu -> http://bpaste.net/show/491571/
17:13 fling which file to patch?
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17:14 fling this is where I have mod installed -> http://bpaste.net/show/491607/
17:14 fling 18:06:40: ERROR[main]: The following mods could not be found: "irc"
17:15 Krock i got a dejà vu
17:15 * fling too
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17:16 stormchaser3000 hi
17:16 Krock ih
17:16 stormchaser3000 um is there a way to compile minetest 0.2.x with the latest gcc compiler?
17:16 Krock why?
17:16 stormchaser3000 eh
17:16 stormchaser3000 i want to use minetest 0.2.x
17:16 stormchaser3000 XD
17:17 fling stormchaser3000: http://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/pkg-games/mine​test-v04x.git/tree/debian/patches/gcc47.patch
17:17 Krock hold on - does 0.2.x even exist?
17:17 stormchaser3000 Krock: yes
17:17 * Amaz throws https://github.com/minetest/mine​test/releases/tag/0.2.20110731_3 at Krock
17:18 * Krock nods
17:18 stormchaser3000 just a sc
17:18 stormchaser3000 sec*
17:18 * stormchaser3000 gets on xchat
17:18 Amaz I can't seem to compile it either...
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17:19 * Krock gives twoelk #minetest-de
17:19 twoelk passiert da jetzt etwas mehr?
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17:20 stormchaser3000 there
17:21 stormchaser3000 fling: how to apply that?
17:21 Amaz I can't seem to compile it (or any version before 0.4.x) either...
17:21 stormchaser3000 Amaz: your compiler is too new
17:21 VanessaE try minetest-classic
17:22 Amaz Right.
17:22 VanessaE it compiles fine with modern compilers
17:22 Amaz I can complie that.
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17:22 VanessaE and it's basically 0.3.x with extra stuff added
17:22 stormchaser3000 VanessaE: minetest-classic is now voxelands
17:22 VanessaE wat
17:22 * Amaz wants earlier version though
17:22 Amaz *versions
17:22 VanessaE stormchaser3000: it is?  http://www.minetest-classic.com/
17:23 VanessaE this looks like the current release to me
17:23 sfan5 fling: your probably need to find the code that finds a mod and modify it
17:23 stormchaser3000 VanessaE: just a sec
17:23 Krock an older minetest version with much speed ups and fixed would be cool
17:24 Krock pseudo old
17:24 VanessaE darkrose's last commit to her gitorious repo was back in May though
17:24 VanessaE ah here we go
17:24 VanessaE good call, stormchaser3000
17:24 twoelk wierd, every time I join another channel I rejoin all channels I have allready joined.
17:25 VanessaE https://gitorious.org/minetest-classic  --> "VOxelands"
17:25 stormchaser3000 Vanessae: yep lol i was just about to post the commit
17:25 VanessaE s/O/o/
17:26 stormchaser3000 so how to compile 0.2.x with the latest gcc compiler?
17:26 VanessaE don't.
17:26 VanessaE just let it die already.
17:26 stormchaser3000 XD
17:26 Krock such nostalgy
17:26 stormchaser3000 but i was to use an older version
17:26 VanessaE if you want 0.2.x, play Nostalgia-game on 0.4.x
17:26 stormchaser3000 i am using a dell latitude d610 for now for 1
17:27 twoelk eh, sfan5, things seem to get a little heated on meowtest
17:27 VanessaE with the latest commits to 0.4.x, it's as fast as 0.2.x was as long as you're not using nodeboxes (and nostalgia doesn't, afaik)
17:27 stormchaser3000 and for 2 would be nice to play for historical purposes
17:27 VanessaE faster, even
17:27 fling sfan5: this is what I'm doing
17:28 fling sfan5: but I can't find it anywhere
17:28 stormchaser3000 oh well time to compile an old commit on minetest-classic
17:32 sfan5 twoelk: hm?
17:32 Calinou nostalgia is even older than 0.2.x
17:32 Calinou stormchaser3000, https://forum.minetest.net/v​iewtopic.php?f=4&amp;t=4120
17:32 Calinou try this
17:33 Jordach tl;dr i've been getting the sky colour in my renders wrongh
17:34 zat thats wrongh
17:35 stormchaser3000 Calinou: yeah that is a nice texture pack bust still
17:36 Calinou enough for me :P
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17:45 sfan5 twoelk: saw he note I left you?
17:46 twoelk ja, danke :-)
17:46 twoelk no selfprotect?
17:46 sfan5 no
17:46 sfan5 I plan on adding protect nodes like in landrush
17:47 twoelk I like sokomine's markers, simply becaus they make use of apples
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17:53 Calinou this is for sfan5: http://la-vache-libre.org/wp-cont​ent/uploads/2014/07/cat-map-2.png
17:54 sfan5 twoelk: if you need a bigger protected area just ping me on IRC
17:54 sfan5 Calinou: I don't have a cat ~~~
17:54 twoelk ok
17:55 PenguinDad sfan5: Change "I know where your cat lives" to "I know where you live" ;)
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18:02 sfan5 twoelk: planst du da noch einen keller drunter zu bauen?
18:03 twoelk naja, irgendwo muessen die steine ja herkommen ;_)
18:03 Exio is that brainfuck with letters instead of symbols?
18:04 twoelk eigentlich wollte ich schon etwa zu einer sete verdoppeln - als ich hier nolch alleine war
18:05 PenguinDad Exio: that's a brainfuck dialect called deutsch :P
18:05 Exio that explains all!
18:08 sfan5 Exio: s/all/everything/
18:09 Exio k
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18:23 luizrpgluiz hi
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18:29 eugd hello?
18:29 eugd ah good not muted
18:29 eugd any devs on here?
18:29 eugd or anyone?
18:29 sfan5 there are 122 people here
18:29 Calinou eugd, don't ask to ask, just ask
18:29 eugd I had a few questions about the code
18:29 sfan5 you likely want to go to #minetest-dev for that
18:30 eugd anyone know more about the nature of the current world gen limit, where it exists in the code?
18:30 eugd sfan5 i'm on webchat
18:30 Calinou eugd, mapgen crashes if it goes too far, same for collision detectiob
18:30 sfan5 get an IRC cleitn
18:30 eugd which is muted on #mintest-dev
18:30 sfan5 client*
18:30 sfan5 eugd: signed short is the limit
18:30 eugd so is it somewhere in mapgen, not anything to do with database?
18:30 eugd ah thank you sfan5
18:31 sfan5 the limit is everywhere in the code
18:31 eugd yeah what i figured
18:31 Calinou one sec, let me find some patch
18:31 sfan5 database, mapgen, node handling routines
18:31 eugd how does minecraft do its 'infinite'?
18:31 sfan5 floats and signed int probably
18:31 Calinou eugd, https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.p​hp?f=5&amp;t=9183&amp;p=149073#p149073
18:31 eugd i know it's really 30mil
18:31 Calinou signed, sfan5? there are negative coords
18:32 sfan5 Calinou: signed = with sign bit
18:32 eugd yeah Calinou i'm emugod from that threat
18:32 eugd *thread
18:32 sfan5 signed is from -32xxx <-> 32xxx, unsigned is from 0 to 65535
18:32 Calinou ah
18:32 sfan5 precisely:
18:32 Exio !c 2^15
18:32 MinetestBot 13
18:32 sfan5 !c (2**16) / 2
18:32 MinetestBot 32768.0
18:32 sfan5 ^ Calinou
18:32 eugd and the 6% gain you mentioned is really just from changing constant GENERATION_LIMIT from 31000
18:32 Exio sfan5, ...
18:32 Exio !c 2**15
18:32 MinetestBot 32768
18:32 Calinou eugd, this allows you to go further than 30912, but collision may hang the game at -32768 if you fall (no collision past that limit)
18:33 Krock !c 666^1337
18:33 MinetestBot 1955
18:33 Calinou would be nice if we had that 6 % gain by default
18:33 eugd yeah
18:33 sfan5 Calinou: the world is big enough already
18:33 eugd i agree sfan5 i'm just trying to learn to engine
18:33 eugd i want to try paramats slicing
18:33 sfan5 eugd: http://dev.minetest.net/Engine_structure
18:34 Calinou sfan5, we should strive for excellence
18:34 Calinou Minecraft recently got huge performance improvement
18:34 Krock +1 sfan5
18:34 Calinou let's catch up
18:34 eugd i think it could be done by changing mapsector size
18:34 sfan5 Calinou: performance != world size
18:34 Krock >performance improvement
18:34 Calinou never change mapblock size
18:34 eugd mapsectors are vertical slices, right?
18:34 Krock how'sthat possible in Java??
18:34 Calinou it breaks all maps
18:34 eugd i've played with that Calinou
18:34 Calinou Krock, by improving occlusion
18:34 eugd I have questions about it as well
18:35 * Krock translates and wikipedias "occlusion"
18:35 eugd https://forum.minetest.net/v​iewtopic.php?f=7&amp;t=9786
18:35 eugd i think 10-node blocks would be better for gameplay reasons
18:35 eugd but yeah a huge (if easily accomplished) change
18:35 Calinou 10 sounds like crap
18:35 Calinou not a power of 2 is insane
18:35 Krock 8 is better
18:36 Calinou still breaks all maps
18:36 eugd yeah
18:36 Calinou 16 is good, there's nothing better
18:36 Krock 1 is best
18:36 eugd but then it's metric square
18:36 eugd i'm thinking of node subdivision idea
18:36 eugd i had
18:36 Calinou “Do a smaller cubes” here we go
18:36 eugd it could work with LOD
18:36 Calinou make player 4 times as big (eye height/collision radius), here you have your subdivided world.
18:36 Calinou but everything will be 4 × slower
18:36 Krock <Calinou>Krock, by improving occlusion
18:37 Krock possible in minetest?
18:37 Calinou we had 2 farmesh implementations, both were slow and inaccurate. LOD is unrealistic for a voxel game.
18:37 eugd mapsector is a vertical slice, right? 64k from top to bottom?
18:37 Calinou Krock, ask in -dev
18:37 eugd Calinou i mean subdivision level of detail
18:38 Calinou what do you want to do?
18:38 eugd https://forum.minetest.net/v​iewtopic.php?f=7&amp;t=9648
18:38 PilzAdam eugd, yes, it comes from an old way of storing worlds on disk
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18:39 eugd PilzAdam thanks, am thinking if that could not factor into or facilitate https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.p​hp?f=5&amp;t=9183&amp;start=50#p147125 this idea
18:40 Krock first, add something to not save every generated mapblock
18:40 Krock then, add such a thing
18:41 eugd change to delta engine is beyond me
18:41 Calinou great, someone in the Freeminer thread has a Rainbow Dash avatr
18:41 Krock !c 2 ** 24
18:41 MinetestBot 16777216
18:41 Krock great, could be PenguinDad
18:41 Calinou Nocte
18:41 Calinou who's that?
18:42 PilzAdam eugd, I recently wrote my own little voxel engine, I could try this stuff out with it
18:42 PilzAdam I already thought about decoupling mapblockmesh and mapblocks
18:42 eugd voxel subdivision stuff?
18:42 Krock PilzAdam, is it pushished?
18:42 Krock *bli
18:42 PilzAdam one could play arround with mapblock size easier then
18:43 eugd it's trivial to change in curent minetest code
18:43 PilzAdam eugd, do you have a data model at hand how to store this?
18:43 eugd not sure if it's innefficient or what
18:43 eugd but it's a single constant in constants.h
18:43 eugd PilzAdam no, that's what i'm still thinking on
18:43 eugd i think
18:43 eugd a separate map for each subdivision level?
18:43 Krock u don't say?
18:44 PilzAdam maybe a tree-like structure?
18:44 PilzAdam where you can change nodes to "containers" at runtime
18:45 eugd i don't know about tree-like structure but yes changing subdivision LOD dynamically i think would be key
18:45 Calinou http://0fps.net/2012/01/14/an-ana​lysis-of-minecraft-like-engines/ → is totally impossible to understand for me
18:45 eugd the concept is similar to octrees, as Inocudom pointed out
18:45 Calinou I'll never be a “good programmer”, lol
18:46 eugd ha, yeah, that link calinou just posted
18:46 eugd but i don't think octrees exactly would be the data structure of choice for it
18:46 Calinou nothing that breaks current maps will ever be merged
18:47 eugd i don't know enough of how the current available db work
18:47 Calinou this implies not using octrees
18:47 PilzAdam eugd, it would look something like this: 1 root node (the whole world); some child leaves (probably like mapblocks currently); subchilds of that are the current nodes
18:47 eugd yeah PilzAdam and that's basically an octree
18:47 eugd and it has problems
18:47 eugd i was thinking maybe more like
18:47 eugd each subdivision level having its own whole map
18:48 eugd but i don't know if that's possible
18:48 PilzAdam well, an octree is fixed to 8 childreen
18:48 PenguinDad Krock: that guy isn't me because I have zero-knowledge of javascript
18:48 * Krock must look at the FM forums..
18:48 PilzAdam I was thinking about each node having its size definition stored dynamically
18:49 * Jordach is considering starting a MT server for IRC'ers
18:49 eugd does a map database require 'filler' data for all chunks, to create continuity
18:49 eugd is the question
18:49 Calinou Krock, tons of people with pony avatars, makes it worth looking at
18:49 Jordach how about RTFS
18:49 Calinou until you see xyz's
18:49 eugd *blocks, sorry
18:49 Calinou -+
18:50 Krock Jordach, means?
18:50 Calinou Jordach, if so, make it use Carbone ;)
18:50 Jordach Read the Fucking Source
18:50 Krock :D
18:50 Jordach quick vote: Carbone or MTG
18:50 Calinou MTG is crap in comparison
18:50 Krock BASE
18:50 eugd if you force generation of two far disparate blocks, does the database need to create filler data between them?
18:50 Krock (bas-ically the old MTG with some changes)
18:51 PenguinDad data cement :D
18:51 eugd is the database actually arranged in a logical equivalent to map arrangement? i'd assume not
18:51 Krock eugd, get an IRC client and ask the ain the dev channel please. there you have a higher change for useful answers
18:51 PilzAdam eugd, in the dynamic tree structure I imagine: no
18:51 Krock *and ask that in
18:51 VanessaE regarding occlusion, hmmmm and RealBadAngel have been talking about that.
18:52 PilzAdam eugd, or are you talking about Minetest?
18:52 eugd about databases in general really
18:52 eugd i feel like this is probably what makes a database a database as opposed to a file
18:52 eugd like if you have two blocks far apart from each other, and nothing else, that database will be tiny, right?
18:53 Krock huh?? the main thing is, minetest runs.
18:53 PilzAdam eugd, yes
18:53 Calinou no, we need math! anatomically correct player models! smaller cubes! menger sponges! mese menger sponges!
18:54 * Calinou shrugs
18:54 eugd what's a menger sponge?
18:54 VanessaE Calinou: mese menger sponge.....new Carbone item?
18:54 Krock math
18:54 Calinou O_o
18:54 Calinou eugd, it's some fractal cube
18:54 VanessaE eugd: think sierpenski's triangle, but with 4 sides.  in 3d.
18:54 eugd i'm reading the wiki, sorry
18:54 eugd i got it
18:54 Calinou http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Menger%20sponge
18:55 eugd parodying my subdivision idea
18:55 Calinou kind of
18:55 eugd yeah Calinou that page lol
18:55 fling hmm hmmmm
18:55 Calinou VanessaE, I wanted to add sponges mod, but water constantly flew in, causing lag
18:55 VanessaE Calinou: seriously...that might be an interesting new item if you can find a use for it ;)
18:55 Calinou Wikipedia has a very nice render
18:56 eugd does minetest have old MC sponges (which i believe were recently reintroduced)?
18:56 VanessaE there is a sponge mod.
18:56 eugd would be a fun little mod to change the nodes model, if nothing else
18:56 eugd PilzAdam you here?
18:56 PilzAdam hm?
18:57 eugd to get back to what I was saying before, i think the way to do subdivision would be to have each subd level have its own db map
18:57 Calinou very laggy, water constantly tries to go back in
18:57 VanessaE Calinou: someone needs to just fucking fix the water reflow code once and for all
18:57 Calinou only efficient way is to have a sponge that replaces air with a block where liquids can't flow, but buildable_to so that players can replace
18:58 Calinou and have an ABM replace the dug nodes with that block where liquids can't flow on a regular basis
18:58 eugd there should be 'gas' type rather than 'air'
18:58 eugd gas/solid/liquid
18:58 PilzAdam eugd, dont you want to have an infinite amount of detail?
18:58 eugd PilzAdam not really
18:59 Calinou meh, stop making fun of them
18:59 eugd there is no 'infinite', of course
18:59 eugd I really think from 1m cubes you could only really go down probably just one level, that would be relevant at gameplay
19:00 eugd maybe two, and up one level (block is node) for terrain LOD purposes
19:04 * sfan5 meows at Jordach
19:04 * Jordach meows back
19:04 Calinou how do you manage block texturing (eg. grass side)?
19:04 sfan5 Jordach: do you remember out skyblock world?
19:04 Calinou liquids?
19:04 Calinou nodeboxes?
19:04 Jordach sfan5, ya
19:04 Calinou lighting?
19:05 sfan5 <3 Jordach
19:05 eugd Calinou talking to who?
19:05 Jordach tl;dr i don't remember Xubuntu's login not looking like shit
19:05 Jordach Xubunu looks amazing
19:05 Calinou you
19:05 Calinou Jordach, 14.04 has a revamped login screen
19:05 sfan5 ^
19:05 eugd only vague idea about liquids
19:05 * sfan5 would love to use xfce right now
19:05 eugd at subd levels
19:06 sfan5 but mouse pointer be insible
19:06 sfan5 invisible
19:06 * sfan5 currently uses LXDE
19:06 Jordach sfan5, i'll wait until the next release
19:06 Jordach simply because they'll have APU drivers
19:06 eugd i think each subd level would have to have its own block types
19:06 eugd only usable there
19:07 eugd and i kind of imagine the subd level would be solid color textures
19:08 eugd the subd only is generated in special circumstances, is the #1 thing
19:08 eugd there is definitively a 'normal' level
19:09 eugd which would be just like normal
19:09 * Krock is testing HEXAHEDRA and wonders why the settings menu doesn't show up
19:09 eugd like normal minetest, rendering and logic wise
19:09 VanessaE meanwhile, xubuntu *still* hasn't figured out how to give a full graphical splash from POST to desktop if you have a proprietary drive in use.
19:10 VanessaE driver*
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19:11 eugd oh and nodeboxes wouldn't exist
19:11 eugd they'd be subd 'statues'
19:11 VanessaE no nodeboxes?
19:11 * VanessaE collapses
19:11 eugd that was the whole real idea behind it
19:11 Calinou you don't build all things by hand
19:11 VanessaE *twitch*
19:11 eugd project tables
19:11 * shadowzone hands VanessaE a cookie
19:11 eugd make it once and then fill hopper with raw materials
19:11 shadowzone that'll help you stop twitching.
19:11 eugd pull out as many as you need
19:11 * VanessaE puts the cookie in OldCoder's kitten pile (they need fed)
19:12 eugd maybe i'm using wrong terminology, 'nodebox' means sub-1m model/collision nodes, right?
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19:14 MinetestBot LemonLake: 07-21 15:27 UTC <Krock> test
19:14 LemonLake !tell Krock screw you and your tests
19:14 MinetestBot LemonLake: I'll pass that on when Krock is around
19:15 Krock !tell LemonLake oke
19:15 MinetestBot Krock: 07-24 00:14 UTC <LemonLake> screw you and your tests
19:15 MinetestBot Krock: I'll pass that on when LemonLake is around
19:15 LemonLake im quite around
19:15 MinetestBot LemonLake: 07-24 00:14 UTC <Krock> oke
19:15 LemonLake dudes...
19:15 MinetestBot LemonLake: 07-24 00:14 UTC <Krock> oke
19:15 LemonLake hexchat no save servlist.conf
19:15 LemonLake its like 'no we no do'
19:21 pitriss Hi please, did anyone tried to do online backups of world by connecting to that sqlite3 db, locking it as read only a do backup?
19:21 markv changing ZNC playback to 2000 lines was a bad idea
19:21 markv (Hi everyone!)
19:21 markv pitriss, No, it corrupts the whole world
19:21 Calinou eugd, a nodebox is a pre-defined static model, made of cuboids, with a suited collision box and selection box (the selection box may be different)
19:22 eugd yeah
19:22 eugd that's basically what i'm thinking could be replaced with subd, for interesting gameplay
19:22 eugd and for eventual VAEs as well
19:23 pitriss markv: how it can corrupt world? when it is read only then it should be in consistent state and all changes should be commited after unlocking..
19:24 markv I guess if you can make it read only it'll be fine
19:24 markv There's no way to do that iirc
19:24 markv LevelDB doesn't have this problem
19:25 pitriss markv: sqlite3 supports locks.. it should be doable..
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19:29 playzooki h
19:29 playzooki *hi
19:30 playzooki anybody know where i can find unified dyes? ive searched the forum and cant find it
19:30 sfan5 pitriss: yes you can do that, it won't corrupt anything
19:30 VanessaE https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=28399
19:30 VanessaE playzooki: ^^^^
19:30 playzooki thanks
19:30 pitriss sfan5: thank you:)
19:30 markv "I don't always make sense, but when I do I don't"
19:30 VanessaE btw, haven't seen you around in a while :)
19:33 luizrpgluiz because minetest runs better on linux?
19:35 markv luizrpgluiz, everything runs better on linux
19:35 markv Except wine
19:35 eugd markv very true
19:35 eugd 'everything that does run runs better'
19:35 markv Half Life 2 is better on windows tho
19:35 eugd tf2 better on linux
19:35 werwerwer i heard someone got better FPS in minetest on windows cause directX
19:35 pitriss markv: most funny thing is that rdp (MS thingy) is muuuch faster on linux :D
19:35 eugd same fps with lighting locked on
19:36 markv rdp
19:36 Calinou Direct3D means no shaders on Minetest
19:36 markv Remote Desktop thingy?
19:36 Calinou Remote Desktop Protocol
19:36 Calinou not thingy ;)
19:36 werwerwer yeah, thingy would be RDT
19:38 PenguinDad let's develop Indirect4D!
19:38 luizrpgluiz There, the minetest ta mute in 0.4.10 and 0.4.9 in this standard
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19:49 luizrpgluiz There, the minetest ta mute in 0.4.10 and 0.4.9 in this standard
19:50 Krock huh
19:50 OldCoder Yo
19:51 OldCoder VanessaE, my kittens receive the finest in kitty kuisine
19:51 VanessaE luizrpgluiz: sorry, that doesn't make any sense.  please try again.
19:52 Jordach okay, does anyone want a small friendly IRC users only server
19:52 * Amaz would like it
19:52 Krock if it uses my mapgen :P
19:52 Amaz What game?
19:52 Krock (or game)
19:52 Jordach Amaz, either carbone or MTG
19:52 Amaz BFD? ;)
19:52 Amaz Okay.
19:52 Krock BASEplzplzplz
19:52 Amaz Carbone would be better, imo
19:53 Jordach (i *am* thinking of a easy mode version)
19:53 luizrpgluiz minetest in 0.4.10 is muted
19:53 PenguinDad I'd vote for carbone too
19:53 VanessaE luizrpgluiz: make sure you have OpenAL installed
19:54 luizrpgluiz yes
19:54 luizrpgluiz but 0.4.9 is with sound
19:54 VanessaE maybe a broken build?
19:54 Krock 0.4.10-dev works fine for me. getting lound TNT sounds
19:54 VanessaE wait a sec here.
19:55 VanessaE sound works fine for me, luizrpgluiz
19:56 VanessaE (using a very recent git pull, post-0.4.10)
19:57 LemonLake oops
19:57 LemonLake i accidentally ate the souls of a few thousand children
19:57 LemonLake oh well
19:59 PenguinDad Now I know of which guy this Nocte reminds me :/
19:59 sfan5 Jordach: minetest game with mg?
20:01 Jordach sfan5, hmmm
20:02 Jordach *powers up the VM
20:03 Jordach VanessaE, btw, xubuntu does have a boot animation
20:03 VanessaE yeah but half the time it doesn't work, if you're using a proprietary driver
20:03 Jordach https://cdn.mediacru.sh/ImXOyxZBPqpC.png
20:03 Jordach VMWare VMs don't have special drivers
20:03 VanessaE exactly.
20:03 VanessaE I'm talking about e.g. fglrx
20:04 Jordach ew
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20:04 VanessaE install that and most systems will lose the startup splash
20:04 Jordach still don't have APU based Radeon HD
20:04 Jordach support
20:04 Calinou proprietary drivers break native-resolution framebuffers, thus breaking graphical bootscreen
20:04 Calinou (thanks Plymouth)
20:04 Jordach (hopefully by the next release it should have them, alleiviating my black screens)
20:04 VanessaE Calinou: exactly.
20:04 Calinou there are hacks, but the easy fix is to use a free driver
20:04 SylvieLorxu >Running a server on Xubuntu in VMWare on Windows
20:05 Calinou I disable graphiacl boot anyway
20:05 SylvieLorxu I think I just died a little inside...
20:05 Jordach SylvieLorxu, fyi, i want the IRC mod to actually work
20:05 * Calinou revives SylvieLorxu's little inside
20:06 VanessaE SylvieLorxu: at least he's experimenting with Linux
20:06 Jordach VanessaE, i'm happy to run Linux, except my APU doesn't have good enough drivers
20:06 Exio http://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/​2bgm0x/walls_you_hit_in_program_size/cj5d0x6
20:06 Jordach 14.04 black screens every 5 minuts
20:06 VanessaE Jordach: 6 months ago when someone said Linux you were like Windows or gtfo
20:06 Krock BSoD
20:06 luizrpgluiz Where do I find the download openal?
20:07 sfan5 Jordach: tried arch linux?
20:07 Jordach sfan5, fuck that noise to signal
20:07 sfan5 ???
20:08 Jordach i may fuck with arch later
20:08 sfan5 yes please
20:08 Jordach (and VMWare allows me to export the VM as a real operating system)
20:08 sfan5 Jordach: don't fuck it too hard..
20:09 sfan5 ;)
20:09 * Jordach grabs an iso
20:09 VanessaE guys, someone please help luizrpgluiz sort out his sound problem...
20:09 sfan5 you need to regenerate the boot stuff anyway if you want it as real os
20:09 Jordach luizrpgluiz, did you install OpenAL
20:09 Jordach (or is the system volume muted or lowered, often my case)
20:09 sfan5 luizrpgluiz: http://www.openal.org/creat​ive-installers/oalinst.zip
20:10 sfan5 tfw 'openbox' uses 100% cpu
20:10 sfan5 wtf
20:10 Jordach sfan5, which one do i get
20:10 Jordach dual or x86_64
20:10 sfan5 one of those
20:10 sfan5 both work
20:10 PenguinDad tfw == to fucking work?
20:11 sfan5 the dual one will boot amd64 if your cpu supports it
20:11 sfan5 PenguinDad: that face when
20:11 Jordach >bootstrap
20:11 Jordach aha
20:11 Jordach there we go
20:11 Jordach testing Arch alongside Xubuntu :3
20:12 sfan5 Jordach: https://mediacru.sh/uOCwTYxB3OPR.mp4
20:12 sfan5 video of out skyblock map ^
20:12 Jordach (and if i ever get around to it - i might actually make a base install list to set arch up each time i reinstall
20:12 sfan5 (watch quickly, until mediacrush finshed converting and overwrites it)
20:12 sfan5 our*
20:12 markv I just made a nice password management utility
20:13 markv Now to send the data back to a central server and distribute it
20:13 sfan5 markv: go away, nobody cares
20:13 sfan5 and thats not how you store passwords
20:13 markv from passlib.hash import sha256_crypt as crypt
20:13 markv Keep it shut
20:14 PenguinDad > sha256
20:14 markv yes
20:14 Krock add more salt!
20:14 sfan5 ^
20:14 PenguinDad and pepper
20:14 VanessaE add pepper
20:14 VanessaE fek
20:14 Krock nina'd
20:14 Krock *j
20:14 Jordach TIL we had lavacooling sounds back in 0.4.7
20:14 VanessaE don't forget the garlic and onion powder
20:15 Jordach sfan5, already internally screaming about the bones in the lava source
20:15 markv Add some cyanide
20:15 sfan5 Jordach: :D
20:15 Krock eh. and at least: don't forget to put in the meat!
20:15 Jordach fuck this
20:15 Jordach let's go for round 2
20:15 Jordach sfan5, i'm not sure if we have a copy of the nodebreakers
20:16 Jordach or the compressors :)
20:16 sfan5 Jordach: I still have both
20:16 Jordach !tell ecutruin https://mediacru.sh/uOCwTYxB3OPR.mp4
20:16 MinetestBot Jordach: I'll pass that on when ecutruin is around
20:16 Jordach sfan5, we should do this at the weekend
20:16 Jordach 48 hours of LogoSkyBlock with other users as spectators :)
20:16 sfan5 lol
20:16 sfan5 :D
20:17 Jordach and i may or may not make a twitch stream :)
20:17 sfan5 Jordach: more permanent link: http://meow.minetest.net/skyblock-video.mp4
20:17 Jordach bonus points for meow.minetest.net
20:17 Jordach i got jordach.minetest.net :3
20:17 sfan5 :3
20:18 Calinou -1 for .mp4 :(
20:18 Jordach i have talked to c55 about it being kept
20:18 sfan5 Calinou: vp8 a shit
20:18 Jordach provided i don't do anything dumb with it :)
20:18 sfan5 I have sfan5.minetest.net too
20:18 Jordach mew :34
20:18 fling sfan5: I have fixed it with a stupid hack: /var/lib/minetest/.minetest/mods -> /usr/share/games/minetest/mods
20:18 Calinou sfan5, vp9 then…
20:18 fling sfan5: just another symlink :P
20:19 Calinou really, whine at VP8, but it isn't patented crap
20:19 Jordach webm :3
20:19 * Jordach goes to make some coffee
20:19 Calinou webm is VP8 or VP9 ;)
20:19 Calinou it's a container
20:20 PenguinDad dirac :3
20:21 sfan5 Calinou: vp9 too slow
20:21 sfan5 fling: <3 symlinks
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20:22 fling /usr/share/games/minetest/​mods/factory/settings.txt -> /etc/minetest/mods/factory/settings.txt
20:22 * fling only likes this one ^
20:22 sfan5 fling: you're very dedicated into forcing every program to put files where gentoo says they should be
20:22 fling I AM GENTOO
20:22 Jordach >gentoo
20:23 * sfan5 meows at Jordach
20:23 Jordach paranoid idiots and masochists
20:23 * Krock gives fling C:
20:23 * VanessaE hands fling a "Type-R" sticker and unrolls a few loops
20:23 Krock (smile)
20:23 fling haha :D
20:23 sfan5 VanessaE: -funroll-loops
20:23 VanessaE :D
20:24 * Jordach just goes: Dayum that's impressive
20:24 Jordach https://i.imgur.com/2aVR9Gh.png
20:24 Krock aagh
20:24 sfan5 mmm
20:24 sfan5 Jordach: the red is not intense enough
20:25 Krock once again, the white + on a red background is missing
20:25 sfan5 yay
20:25 sfan5 mediacrush finally processed the video https://mediacru.sh/uOCwTYxB3OPR
20:25 Krock (#5 doesn't count)
20:25 sfan5 Calinou: here, have your .webm https://cdn.mediacru.sh/uOCwTYxB3OPR.webm
20:26 Krock > 0.4.7
20:26 fling Why are all the fals rotated?
20:26 fling and also flipped
20:26 sfan5 Krock: a year ago
20:26 Krock ah
20:27 sfan5 Jordach: btw: I finally worked out how to record good videos
20:27 Jordach sfan5, by not fucking up?
20:27 sfan5 not really
20:27 Jordach why'd you think i make tests
20:27 sfan5 by doing 2 passes
20:28 fling sfan5: why do you need two passes?
20:28 fling sfan5: are you encoding to an exact size?
20:28 fling sfan5: why not to constant quality?
20:28 sfan5 1st time, 'ultrafast' preset, saved into ramdisk; 2nd time, 'slow' preset, saved on HDD
20:29 sfan5 fling: ^
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20:29 * fling is doing same thing
20:29 fling but also saving ultrafast to disk too
20:29 sfan5 fling: my HDD is not fast enough to save 50 fps ultrafast video
20:29 sfan5 I think at least
20:29 sfan5 lemme test
20:29 fling because even 480p producing 50Mbps with lossless :<
20:30 sfan5 crf 18
20:30 sfan5 ^ said to be visually lossless
20:30 Jordach sfan5, https://cdn.mediacru.sh/Da9O9-Xxwnc7.png
20:30 sfan5 Jordach: press enter, jk; nice
20:30 VanessaE I always used huffyuv if I needed lossless + fast (uses a LOT of space though)
20:30 sfan5 VanessaE: tried ffv1?
20:30 fling sfan5: I'm using zfs on 6 disks so it is fast enough
20:30 VanessaE then transcode that to whatever format
20:30 VanessaE sfan5: it's been years
20:31 sfan5 fling: ffmpeg -f alsa -i pulse -f x11grab -r 60 -s 1920x1080 -i + -c:v libx264 -crf 18 -preset ultrafast -tune zerolatency -async 1 -c:a copy testrecord.mkv
20:31 sfan5 testing that now
20:31 fling why do you need 60 fps?
20:31 sfan5 hm right
20:31 VanessaE ffmpeg can do screen recording? O_o
20:31 sfan5 VanessaE: ofc
20:32 VanessaE didn't know that.
20:32 sfan5 fling: x264 does not even manage 55 fps, I'll lower it
20:33 Calinou 30 fps recording is pretty much enough for a game
20:33 fling VanessaE: I'm streaming to justin -> http://bpaste.net/show/492090/
20:33 sfan5 ew mp3
20:33 sfan5 fling: can't you use aac too?
20:33 fling and writing to a file same time
20:33 fling sfan5: idk?
20:34 fling btw this example is missing audio source so don't forget to add it if you need :P
20:34 fling ohhhh
20:35 fling no, it is there -> -f s16le -ac 2 -ar 44100 -i /tmp/mpd2ffmpeg1.fifo
20:35 Jordach fling, you mean twitch.tv (same service)
20:35 fling Jordach: idk?
20:36 Jordach OBS reports it as both
20:36 sfan5 fling: seems like my HDD is too slow for recording
20:36 fling sfan5: try 24fps
20:36 fling sfan5: try huffyuv btw
20:37 fling or fast preset instead of ultrafast
20:38 fling are you catpuring minetest?
20:38 fling try capturing minesweeper :D
20:38 sfan5 fling: yes
20:38 sfan5 the video is twice as fast and the audio ends after half of the recording
20:38 fling so you are converting fps somehow
20:39 fling sfan5: try setting -r 24 _before_ -f x11grab
20:39 sfan5 k
20:40 fling this is how I capture v4l device -> http://bpaste.net/show/492120/
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20:41 fling remove -tune zerolatency !
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20:44 sfan5 fling: it quickly drops below the fps I have set
20:44 sfan5 even when I set it to 30
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20:44 sfan5 fling: why?
20:45 fling sfan5: use fast preset, try lower quality and remove zerolatency
20:45 fling sfan5: slow cpu and disk?
20:45 fling sfan5: add -threads 0
20:45 sfan5 threads 0 is the default
20:45 fling it will use all cpu cores for x264 encoding
20:45 sfan5 fast preset is even slower than ultrafast
20:45 sfan5 and I don't want to use lower quality
20:45 fling you need slower preset for slow disk
20:45 sfan5 and why remove zerolatency?
20:45 sfan5 uh
20:45 sfan5 no
20:46 fling because zerolatency will increase your bitrate
20:46 sfan5 the preset value specifies how long x264 will try to take to encode something
20:46 fling try '-tune film' instead
20:47 fling right and with slower preset it will give you lower bitrate which is needed for your slow disk
20:47 fling high bitrate is no go
20:47 sfan5 I'm not sure whether it will be able to encode 30 frames if it takes even longer
20:48 fling anyway use atop to determine what is the bottleneck actually
20:48 fling and start with -crf 50 ;D
20:49 Krock http://imgur.com/gallery/LdKd0l2
20:49 sfan5 fling: fast preset is too slow
20:50 fling increase crf, lower fps
20:50 fling try -crf 30 at 24fps?
20:51 fling how to get debug log on the server?
20:53 sfan5 fling: same result, the 'fast' preset is simply too slow
20:54 sfan5 crf 30 looks bad too
20:54 fling try ultrafast with crf 35 at 15fps?
20:54 sfan5 crf 35
20:54 sfan5 are you kidding me?
20:54 fling NO
20:54 sfan5 this is nowhere relevant anymore
20:54 fling you should start with working settings
20:54 fling then you increase crf
20:55 sfan5 decrease*
20:55 fling yes :>
20:55 fling and encode sound with something
20:55 Calinou https://forum.minetest.net/v​iewtopic.php?f=3&amp;t=9810
20:56 sfan5 that works
20:56 sfan5 and looks fucking horrible
20:56 fling sure :>
20:57 fling sfan5: this is what I used -f x11grab -s 1920x1080 -r 24 -i :0.0 -vcodec libx264 -preset veryfast -crf 20 -maxrate 2000k -bufsize 3000k -threads 5
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21:01 Jordach https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vfI18YIJsl4
21:02 * Jordach starts rofl
21:04 sfan5 Jordach: why is that so satifying to watch?
21:04 Jordach hearing someone who isn't english get more mad than me
21:04 Jordach (you should hear me playing TF2 with hoodedice)
21:05 * PenguinDad now starts to rofl
21:05 * sfan5 rofls too
21:06 Krock so viele rofelonen
21:09 * sfan5 meows at Krock
21:15 fling :D
21:15 markv Are there 1 letter tlds?
21:16 VanessaE not that I ever heard of
21:18 Calinou no
21:18 Calinou shortest is 2 letters
21:18 markv :(
21:19 markv Stops arguments I guess
21:19 markv What If i have my own dns servers?
21:19 markv On my network
21:19 Jordach with your own dns, that's possible
21:19 Jordach however, nobody else can use them
21:20 Krock .mt!
21:20 markv What if i *happen* to have access to one of the root nameservers?
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21:20 markv https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net​/hphotos-ak-xfp1/t1.0-9/10488092_93562​2919796642_2042257437750953857_n.jpg
21:25 VanessaE markv: then ICANN will want to have a talk with you.
21:26 markv # rm -rf /* --no-preserve-root
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21:29 * markv waits for a loud knock at his door
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21:35 * Jordach knocks on markv's door
21:35 * markv opens the door slowly
21:37 * markv dares people to /exec -o ls
21:40 markv Do you want to hear your fortune, Jordach ?
21:40 Jordach nah
21:40 markv You now have Asian Flu.
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21:47 Jordach TIL Steam has a FUCKING MUSIC PLAYER IN CLIENT
21:47 Jordach brb updating steam
21:51 Jordach *unpins windows media player*
21:54 Jordach https://cdn.mediacru.sh/cMK_qKHu-wAr.png
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21:55 * PenguinDad waits for a feature steam does not have
21:55 Jordach i trust Valve more than anyone else
21:55 Jordach praise Lord Gaben
21:56 PilzAdam Jordach, you cant trust the system
21:56 Jordach okay, don't need WMP: it uses my media keys
22:01 eugd Earth is 510.1 million km²
22:01 eugd that should be the goal
22:01 eugd in terms of world size
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22:08 eugd i've been thinking about differences between minetest and minecraft, that might affect performance
22:08 Exio the whole universe is practically infinite
22:08 PilzAdam but Earth is boring
22:08 Exio that should be a goal, and let the world be curved
22:08 Exio also, change gravity
22:08 eugd and i think there might be something to be said about loading the entire chunks
22:08 Exio and make orbits
22:09 eugd of course loading entire 64k mapsectors wouldn't be possible
22:09 eugd but loading by vertical slice
22:09 Exio ??
22:09 Exio do you want to load a "chunk" of 64k * 16 * 16?
22:09 eugd in terms of player experience, pop-in and such
22:09 eugd you couldn't, i just said
22:10 Exio then a vertical slice?
22:10 eugd but maybe some smaller arbitrary slice
22:10 Exio smaller arbitrary slice
22:10 Exio i wonder if that would be actually useful, compared to a chunk?
22:11 eugd just spitballing
22:12 eugd i think that extremely limited height is the major difference, and what makes minecraft possibly slightly superior performance-wise
22:13 eugd of course it's not desirable, but there might be some way to get the benefits without the downside
22:24 Jordach WAIT WHAT
22:24 Jordach Steam Music folder sorts!?
22:24 Jordach and then does tags!??
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22:51 Jordach stop the presses
22:51 Jordach I WAS RIGHT ABOUT RBA'S GLASS TANKS BEING SHIT!
22:51 Jordach https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/1514
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23:18 VanessaE Jordach: or...maybe there's just a glitch in the screwdriver mod?
23:18 Jordach VanessaE, knowing him he hardcoded shit again
23:19 VanessaE more likely is having forgotten to check if a node has some specific feature enabled
23:20 Jordach VanessaE, at least i don't fuck up that bad :3
23:20 VanessaE in the case of glass, param2 controls how much "stuff" is inside the glass.
23:21 VanessaE the screwdriver just needs a tweak to not change the param2 of something that has the glasslike-framed drawtype
23:21 VanessaE that's all.
23:21 VanessaE this is a bug in the screwdriver mod.
23:22 * VanessaE pokes RealBadAngel
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23:55 alket where can I find minetest data ?
23:56 alket like textures etc.
23:58 Partmedia alket, texture packs?
23:58 alket Partmedia: yes :)
23:59 Partmedia alket, http://www.minetest.net/texturepacks
23:59 alket Partmedia: thanks :)
23:59 Partmedia (if you mean the default textures, see the respective mod folders)

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