Time Nick Message 00:15 bleepbloop hello all o/ I'm wanting to try this game but I can't get it started. when i type minetest a window flashes for a second, but vanishes. and when i alt tab to it there's nothing there 00:16 bleepbloop console sez: navi% minetest& [1] 3454 navi% Irrlicht Engine version 1.8.1 Linux 3.11.0-20-generic #34-Ubuntu SMP Tue Apr 1 20:42:16 UTC 2014 i686 Using renderer: OpenGL 3.0 Mesa DRI Intel(R) Haswell Mobile x86/MMX/SSE2: Intel Open Source Technology Center OpenGL driver version is 1.2 or better. GLSL version: 1.3 Loaded texture: /usr/share/games/minetest/games/minetest_game/menu/header.png Loaded texture: /usr/share/games/minet 00:16 VanessaE can you look at your debug.txt (in the minetest ..).... yeah that 00:16 bleepbloop hehe 00:16 VanessaE look at debug.txt and see what it says 00:16 bleepbloop k 00:17 bleepbloop not much: navi% cat /home/james/.minetest/debug.txt ------------- Separator ------------- 20:04:59: INFO: sigint_handler(): Ctrl-C pressed, shutting down. 00:17 MinetestBot GIT: Uberi commited to Uberi/MineTest-WorldEdit: Fix worldedit_gui not working in Minetest 0.4.10. https:/ 2014-07-10T20:17:12-04:00 http://git.io/zU5JTg 00:17 VanessaE huh. 00:18 VanessaE somewhere close to that separator should be the actual error message 00:18 bleepbloop *shrugs* 00:18 bleepbloop that's all that's there 00:18 VanessaE mesa opengl, so open source drivers 00:19 VanessaE hm, I wonder if the game even works with those at all 00:19 VanessaE I've only ever used it with fglrx 00:19 bleepbloop it's an intel chipset, i915 00:19 bleepbloop new chromebook 00:19 VanessaE eek 00:19 bleepbloop running bodhi 00:20 bleepbloop i don't think there IS an error, cause it seems to think it's running fine 00:20 bleepbloop the process shows in top, i can alt tab to the ghost window 00:20 bleepbloop it thinks it's running 00:20 VanessaE ah so it IS running, it's just empty 00:20 bleepbloop aye 00:20 VanessaE first, killall minetest 00:21 VanessaE try adding video_driver = software to your ~/.minetest/minetest.conf 00:21 VanessaE see what effect that has 00:21 bleepbloop mkay 00:22 VanessaE that i915 chipset isn't gonna have hardly any power, let alone much opengl capability - it may not be enough for the client to work with in opengl mode at all these days, but the software renderer might work 00:23 bleepbloop i will not sit here and have you disparrage my dear sweet chromebook madame. 00:23 VanessaE now now :) 00:23 Zeno` try glxinfo and see if it says anything unexpected 00:23 Zeno` actually, run glxgears if you can as well 00:23 bleepbloop k sec to install 00:24 VanessaE http://www.videocardbenchmark.net/gpu.php?gpu=Mobile+Intel+915GM%2FGMS%2F910GML+Express&id=2393 00:24 VanessaE ouch. :) 00:24 bleepbloop D: 00:24 bleepbloop whatEVer. it runs quakelive like a champ 00:24 VanessaE this is the chipset you have? 00:25 bleepbloop glxgears is gettin 300 frames per 5s 00:26 bleepbloop i'm not sure offhand what chip it is, dell pages just say hd intel 00:27 bleepbloop that's somewhere in dmesg isn't it.. 00:27 VanessaE lspci 00:27 VanessaE "VGA compatible controller" is usually how it's listed 00:27 bleepbloop VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Haswell-ULT Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 0b) 00:28 VanessaE mind pastebin'ing the rest of the output? 00:29 bleepbloop spose i could 00:29 VanessaE I'm just trying to understand what chip you really have in there, that's all :) 00:29 VanessaE nevermind 00:29 VanessaE already figured it out enough 00:30 bleepbloop lol 00:30 bleepbloop http://pastebin.com/U4k57Ugj 00:30 bleepbloop well here! 00:31 bleepbloop what did you figure it out to be? 00:32 VanessaE it's run by the i915 driver so it may as well be a faster i915 chip :) 00:33 bleepbloop aha 00:33 bleepbloop and earlier you said that will not be enough, yes? 00:34 VanessaE your card seems to be on par with a radeon mobility x600 00:34 VanessaE but that's still really slow for minetest's needs 00:34 VanessaE http://www.videocardbenchmark.net/gpu.php?gpu=MOBILITY+RADEON+X600&id=543 00:34 bleepbloop i mean.. (just for comparison, not trying to step in unknown to me holy wars) it runs minecraft 00:34 VanessaE (ignore the first passmark link I gave you) 00:34 VanessaE well, minecraft does things differently, and honestly, minetest is not very efficient of late 00:35 VanessaE btw, what version of minetest is this? 00:35 bleepbloop haha wow those bars 00:35 bleepbloop uh whatever is bodhis repos 00:35 bleepbloop just installed it 30 minutes ago 00:35 VanessaE minetest --version 00:36 hoodedice HD 2500 is enough for me to run MT 00:36 bleepbloop Minetest 0.4.9 Using Irrlicht 1.8.1 Build info: VER=0.4.9 BUILD_TYPE=Release RUN_IN_PLACE=0 USE_GETTEXT=1 USE_SOUND=1 USE_CURL=1 USE_FREETYPE=1 USE_LUAJIT=1 STATIC_SHAREDIR=/usr/share/games/minetest 00:36 VanessaE HD2500? not familiar with that one 00:36 VanessaE bleepbloop: get 0.4.10 and try again maybe? 00:36 hoodedice the newer intel HDs 00:37 hoodedice Not as good as a 4000, but can still play some 2008 gaes at medium 720p 00:37 hoodedice *games 00:37 bleepbloop lol 00:37 hoodedice !g bodhi linux 00:37 MinetestBot hoodedice: http://www.bodhilinux.com/ 00:38 hoodedice *buntu? 00:38 bleepbloop yes 00:38 bleepbloop sorry, was looking at the download page 00:38 hoodedice good, then see this, and check if your chipset is supported https://01.org/linuxgraphics/ 00:39 bleepbloop bodhi hasn't updated, i'd need to compile i think 00:39 hoodedice Any other games work? 00:39 VanessaE bleepbloop: better to do that, yeah. it's easy enough :) 00:39 bleepbloop i never have >_< 00:39 bleepbloop scurry 00:40 hoodedice 915 what? 00:40 hoodedice There should be a letter after the i915 00:40 bleepbloop other games have worked yes, quakelive / minecraft 00:40 bleepbloop sec i'll see 00:40 hoodedice ohkay 00:41 VanessaE hoodedice: his graphics devices is supported by the kernel/xorg 'i915' driver module. 00:41 VanessaE -s 00:41 bleepbloop ^ 00:42 hoodedice but are those the same as provided by the intel stack? 00:42 VanessaE but see, those games access the video device differently than Minetest does 00:42 hoodedice For me, the graphics stac helps reduce temperatures on the GPU, stock kernel drivers overheat it like shit 00:42 bleepbloop i believe that, this thing cooks 00:43 bleepbloop internally anyway, temp readings are always around 50c, it's ridic 00:43 bleepbloop but it's whisper quiet and cool outside 00:43 hoodedice hmm 00:44 hoodedice I won't discriminate on the choice of OS, so I won't insert a "Why not Xubuntu?" 00:44 hoodedice Of course, I never said that ^ 00:44 bleepbloop lol 00:45 bleepbloop because the lead dev for bodhi adores chromebooks, uses them personally, and makes seperate iso's for them with the touchpad and keys working 00:45 hoodedice ah 00:45 bleepbloop plus it's enlightenment focused, so very low resource 00:45 bleepbloop kinda perfect for this thing 00:45 bleepbloop i WAS using arch, got on this cause i needed to be on an apt system for work 00:46 hoodedice hmm. 00:46 hoodedice In any case, I would recommend installing the graphics stack before anything 00:47 bleepbloop yea ok, so what is that? i looked at the page.. 00:47 bleepbloop i've always had a proper card, never done intel graphics before 00:47 hoodedice That bodhi thing is buntu based, right? 00:47 hoodedice (just making sure) 00:47 bleepbloop yes 00:47 hoodedice https://01.org/linuxgraphics/downloads 00:47 VanessaE hell in that case use the daily PPA 00:48 bleepbloop lol 00:48 VanessaE (for minetest) 00:48 hoodedice Get the graphics installer from that link 00:48 VanessaE do what hoodedice said, first though 00:48 hoodedice Remember to check if the ubuntu version tallies with yours 00:48 hoodedice After you download, don't run it 00:49 hoodedice Go to this page: https://01.org/linuxgraphics/downloads/2014/intelr-graphics-installer-1.0.5-linux and add the keys 00:49 hoodedice Now run the installer, and if you configured the keys right, it should install by itself 00:49 hoodedice Reboot, and test again 00:50 hoodedice BUT BEFORE ALL OF THIS, AND I SHOULD'VE SAID THIS FIRST 00:50 hoodedice bleepbloop, don't forget to backup. =D 00:50 bleepbloop pffff 00:50 bleepbloop backups show a lack of conviction 00:50 hoodedice ^Classic Jordach reply. 00:51 VanessaE do keep backups. 00:52 hoodedice http://imgur.com/gallery/Ol5R9Me 00:52 VanessaE backups may show a lack of conviction, but they also show a modicum of preparedness :) 00:55 bleepbloop rebooting / smoke, brb 01:03 bleepbloop na still doesn't work. the window doesn't even flash in software mode, still just flashes when i set it back to opengl 01:04 bleepbloop i'll live, it was nice enough dealing with an irc that was actually helpful :) 01:04 hoodedice hmm, what about the stack? 01:04 Zeno` how are you running it? from the console? 01:04 bleepbloop i got that all in 01:04 bleepbloop yes zeno 01:04 bleepbloop i'll try through menu 01:04 Zeno` nah, don't 01:04 VanessaE bleepbloop: try video_driver = burningsvideo 01:05 bleepbloop too late, did the same thing though 01:05 bleepbloop k 01:05 Zeno` err, may as well give it a go, but I was hoping you weren't heh 01:05 VanessaE (yeah, an odd name. try it anyway) 01:05 Zeno` minetest --info 01:07 bleepbloop at the end of info i see Updating configuration file: "/home/james/.minetest/minetest.conf" 21:06:46: INFO[main]: Skipping writing of /home/james/.minetest/minetest.conf because content wouldn't be modified 01:07 bleepbloop do i need to chmod that .conf? 01:07 Zeno` and it just sits there? 01:07 bleepbloop yea 01:07 VanessaE ignore that 01:08 Zeno` Mine doesn't say that Vanessa, and my config file is 664 01:08 VanessaE it's just telling you that it has no reason to change the config file (e.g. because you didn't change anything in, say, the settings tab) 01:08 Zeno` oh, I didn't even read the err msg lol 01:08 Zeno` no other errors? 01:09 bleepbloop http://pastebin.com/rMMH34JJ 01:09 bleepbloop that's minetest --info 01:10 bleepbloop "OpenALSoundManager: "main_menu" not found." buh? 01:10 Zeno` Using plain X visual <-- not good :( 01:10 bleepbloop yea i saw that, wasn't sure with all the switching 01:12 VanessaE ignore that main menu sound thing for now 01:12 VanessaE that's an optional feature that hasn't been implemented yet 01:12 VanessaE (or rather, hasn't been used yet) 01:12 bleepbloop ah 01:12 bleepbloop i switched back to no video set option 01:12 bleepbloop Using renderer: OpenGL 3.0 Mesa DRI Intel(R) Haswell Mobile x86/MMX/SSE2: Intel Open Source Technology Center OpenGL driver version is 1.2 or better. GLSL version: 1.3 01:12 bleepbloop still no dice 01:13 VanessaE yeah, so this ain't gonna work without a real OpenGL/hardware 3d device I guess 01:13 VanessaE however, it used to. 01:13 bleepbloop sadface 01:13 VanessaE try disabling shaders in your minetest.conf 01:13 VanessaE see if that helps 01:13 bleepbloop mkay 01:14 bleepbloop er... 01:14 bleepbloop "shaders = no" ? 01:15 VanessaE =0 01:16 bleepbloop lol jesus, such tease 01:16 bleepbloop that makes it flash, but the tiniest bit slower 01:16 bleepbloop instead of a flash it's more a 1 second peek now 01:16 bleepbloop timid program! 01:17 VanessaE heh 01:17 VanessaE well that's progress :D 01:17 hoodedice How about this: "Press F4 to disable camera updating" 01:17 hoodedice K, I'll show myself the door 01:17 Zeno` lol 01:17 bleepbloop lol 01:17 VanessaE hoodedice: fat lotta good that does if he can't even see the main menu. 01:17 hoodedice Sarcasm, my dear VanessaE. 01:17 Zeno` can the menu be skipped? 01:18 VanessaE Zeno`: actually yes it can 01:18 Zeno` minetest --go 01:18 Zeno` never tried it myself 01:18 VanessaE yep 01:18 VanessaE --go along with a world ID 01:20 bleepbloop which presumably can not be generated at the same time / with the same command 01:21 VanessaE the world ID is just whatever world name you want to use from your existing set, but if you can't even run it once to get the menu then it would work at all 01:21 VanessaE wouldn't* 01:21 bleepbloop right 01:21 bleepbloop le sigh 01:22 Zeno` can we see your conf file? 01:22 Zeno` not that I think it will help :( 01:22 Zeno` I'm out of ideas TBH 01:22 bleepbloop main_menu_tab = singleplayer name = server_dedicated = false shaders = 0 01:22 Zeno` You say quake works... so I'm kind of confused 01:23 bleepbloop works like a champ 01:23 bleepbloop cranked up, 60fps 01:23 VanessaE ? 01:23 Zeno` that's your conf file? 01:23 bleepbloop yes 01:24 bleepbloop your words make me think there should be way more in there 01:24 bleepbloop >_> 01:24 VanessaE wait, so it IS rendering, at 60 fps, but nothing appears? 01:24 bleepbloop no sorry vanessa, i was talking about quakelive 01:24 Zeno` VanessaE, Quake is getting 60 FPS :P 01:24 VanessaE oh. 01:26 Zeno` change to shaders = false (will make no difference but I've run out of ideas) 01:26 Zeno` Not that I had many to start with :D 01:26 bleepbloop we've already tried that 01:26 Zeno` oh, sorry 01:27 bleepbloop how dare you. 01:27 bleepbloop go wait in the car --> 01:27 Zeno` it's just that you have 0 and not false :p 01:27 Zeno` I will wait in the car 02:14 Zeno` I am back from the other side! 06:19 Miner_48er !up stormchaser3000.no-ip.org 06:19 MinetestBot stormchaser3000.no-ip.org:30000 seems to be down 06:22 nore hi all 06:35 kaeza mornings 06:36 LemonLake hai 06:48 JesseH A wild kaeza appears. 06:48 LemonLake Giving my old website a revamp, gonna be using it for mod hosting from now on 06:49 JesseH I need to use my site for something useful... 06:50 LemonLake Whoa...it looks quite ugly without all those really expensive shadows and fonts :P 08:20 Krock moin 08:30 nore hi VanessaE 08:30 VanessaE hey 08:39 Krock hi nore, VanessaE, twoelk, JamesTait, Louis Amstrong, ... 08:39 twoelk moin moin 08:40 JamesTait Good morning Krock! :) 08:44 * twoelk thinks Krock could come from near Bern by the sound of his greeting 08:44 * Krock gives twoelk a cookie 08:44 twoelk nomnom :-) 08:47 VanessaE hi 08:53 Krock wut? https://github.com/oOChainLynxOo/crackedstone 08:53 Krock :boom: :camel: 08:56 MinetestBot GIT: sfan5 commited to minetest/minetestmapper: Re-add --backend to allow overriding auto-detected backend 2cc1ffc 2014-07-11T10:54:50+02:00 http://git.io/7AGnLw 08:56 Krock :boom: :camel: 09:02 * sfan5 meows at Krock 09:03 sfan5 meow 09:03 sfan5 hi everyone 09:03 * Krock meows at sfan5 09:06 * twoelk slowly slurps his coffee and watches the clouds hurry by on sunny sky as he realizes all the screws he drew in his CAD-drawing yesterday are wrong and will have to be redone (slurp) 09:07 twoelk dawn dawns on me lately 09:12 Zeno` wth is :boom: and :camel: ? 09:13 twoelk icons we do not have on irc? code busting camelback? 09:14 Zeno` but github has them? 09:14 Zeno` that's... stupid 09:15 * twoelk imagines what might happen if irc had kitten, pinguin and pony icons 09:16 Zeno` :puppy_eyes: 09:16 twoelk :cookies: 09:22 twoelk hmm penguin bomb 09:22 twoelk does that show up as icon on some clients? 11:43 cerulean256 so, VanessaE: Like I was saying before I think the auto-tree-tap mod is broken on your survival server 11:43 VanessaE can you explain what happens? 12:09 EvergreenTree Hello everyone 12:10 EvergreenTree wtf: https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=9731 12:10 EvergreenTree someone delete that 12:11 PenguinDad EvergreenTree: is that Vietnamese? 12:11 VanessaE banned and deleted. 12:12 EvergreenTree Idk 12:12 EvergreenTree Never seen a spam bot like that before 12:13 JesseH Single player is lonely, anyone here have a small server? 12:13 JesseH That I might get good ping with in Georgia, USA 12:13 sfan5 define 'small' 12:13 sfan5 !server Meowtest 12:13 MinetestBot sfan5: No results 12:13 JesseH Well, I could have left out small in that sentence. 12:13 sfan5 :/ 12:13 sfan5 !server Meowtest 12:13 MinetestBot sfan5: Meowtest 0.4.10 "SEGFAULTY" | minetest.org:30018 | Clients: 0/25, 0/20 | Version: 0.4.10-rc1 / meowtest_game | Ping: 22ms 12:13 VanessaE JesseH: try my Vanilla server 12:13 sfan5 ^ my server 12:13 VanessaE !server Vanilla 12:13 MinetestBot VanessaE: VanessaE's mostly-vanilla minetest_game server | digitalaudioconcepts.com:30005 | Clients: 1/50, 0/2 | Version: 0.4.10-dev / minetest_game | Ping: 11ms 12:13 PenguinDad !g define small 12:13 MinetestBot PenguinDad: http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/small 12:14 JesseH VanessaE vs sfan5 gogogo 12:14 JesseH How many players do you guys get usually at one time, or well, when are the most people on? 12:14 VanessaE JesseH: mine's been pretty idle, of late. it used to be really popular until buildcrap got to be too old to play on modern servers. 12:15 VanessaE these days, a few people at once, maybe half a dozen at peak. used to get up to ~30 at a time 12:15 EvergreenTree Well, good riddance 12:15 sfan5 my server usually has some people on it 12:15 sfan5 not right now it seems 12:15 EvergreenTree I don't know how you could enjoy using buildcraft 12:16 VanessaE all of my servers are quiet right now. they usually are at this time of the morning 12:16 VanessaE their peak is usually between 1600 and 2000 EDT. 12:16 VanessaE (and yesterday, strangely enough, my Survival server was the one that got most of the activity) 12:17 JesseH I think I've been on VanessaEs before. 12:17 JesseH So gonna go with sfan5. :P 12:18 sfan5 \o/ 12:18 VanessaE :( 12:18 JesseH What have I done :( 12:19 JesseH Wait actually, there is something else I have to do before I pick. 12:19 JesseH How long does it take usually to join x_x 12:19 VanessaE a few seconds or so on mine, probably similar on sfan5's 12:21 JesseH Then my first choice still stands. 12:21 * VanessaE goes off to sulk 12:22 JesseH :( 12:22 VanessaE jk, go play :) 12:22 VanessaE I'm sure his is good 12:22 JesseH I'm picturing that classic scene where the distant lovers look at the moon and sing, for some reason. 12:22 VanessaE lovers? O_o 12:23 JesseH So you don't love me? :( 12:23 JesseH Now its my turn to sulk 12:23 * sfan5 is confused 12:23 VanessaE so am I :) 12:23 * PenguinDad is confused 12:23 JesseH Being confused is fun. 12:24 * PenguinDad hit himself in the Confusion 12:24 JesseH Be nice. :P 12:25 JesseH I have a game idea 12:25 JesseH A game inside minetest. 12:26 sfan5 lol 12:26 JesseH Give each player x amount of leaves or whatever. They have to stack it up while jumping up, and whoever falls last wins 12:27 JesseH sfan5, wanna do that on your server? ;P 12:27 sfan5 maybe 12:28 PenguinDad JesseH: everyone with fly privilege will win :P 12:28 JesseH Fly privilege is for cheaters! VanessaE whatchu up to? 12:28 VanessaE reading. 12:28 JesseH It would be more interesting if I wasn't playing by myself. :P 12:29 JesseH PenguinDad, what about you 12:33 JesseH sfan5, Its really dark and I don't know where I am. :P 12:33 sfan5 try doing /spawn 12:33 JesseH Thank you 12:34 cerulean256 VanessaE: Sorry, I was preoccupied 12:34 VanessaE it's ok 12:35 * Jordach pats VanessaE on the head 12:35 * VanessaE claws at Jordach 12:36 cerulean256 VanessaE: But I build a mesecons blinky plant, to a auto-tree-tap which was facing the correct direction of a rubber tree trunk (the toothed / muncher side facing the trunk) and a pnumatic tube at the back of the tree tap.. nothing came out of the tree tap 12:36 JesseH sfan5, I'm lagging pretty gnarly on your server. :P 12:37 cerulean256 and i've seen it work this way before 12:37 JesseH Not sure how to check ping 12:37 sfan5 f5 12:37 VanessaE cerulean256: ok, I'll check with cheapie. I think he wrote that mod 12:37 JesseH sfan5, Dont see it 12:37 sfan5 rtt = ) 13:10 VanessaE on it... 13:11 VanessaE this seems to convert them properly: http://pastebin.com/0zgdQcra 13:11 VanessaE they have formspecs, and a tap inserted, and they retain their proper facedir and everything properly. 13:11 VanessaE shall I push? 13:11 VanessaE (it'll be attached to the bottom of the nodebreaker code in pipeworks) 13:13 nore yep 13:13 nore (add something like "legacy"...) 13:13 VanessaE eh? 13:13 nore ^ no, put it in legacy.lua or a file like that 13:14 VanessaE Oh 13:14 VanessaE yeah I could do that. 13:16 VanessaE hm, perhaps I should add something to check if the auto tree tap is defined, and also if the technic tree tap is 13:19 VanessaE if not minetest.registered_nodes["auto_tree_tap:off"] and 13:19 VanessaE minetest.registered_items["technic:treetap"] then (register the ABM) end 13:19 VanessaE hm. 13:20 VanessaE that won't work, technic depends on pipeworks. 13:20 VanessaE I'll have to check for the presence of one of technic's files or something. 13:20 nore well, I guess the legacy files are easiest to do 13:21 nore and for the abm -> if minetest.get_modpath("technic") then 13:21 VanessaE right 13:21 VanessaE didn't think of that 13:22 VanessaE if not minetest.registered_nodes["auto_tree_tap:off"] and 13:22 VanessaE minetest.get_modpath("technic") then 13:22 VanessaE (register the ABM) 13:22 VanessaE end 13:22 nore not minetest.registered_nodes["auto_tree_tap:off"] -> always true 13:23 nore you don't need it anyway 13:23 VanessaE ? 13:23 VanessaE I don't want to convert the node if the original mod is still installed 13:23 nore (auto-tree-tap won't be registered when pipeworks will load) 13:23 nore I don't want to convert the node if the original mod is still installed <-- why? 13:23 VanessaE paranoia? :) 13:23 VanessaE ok 13:23 VanessaE I'll skip that check 13:24 nore ah, it can be useful though 13:24 VanessaE well actually I have to 13:24 VanessaE wait, no I don't 13:24 VanessaE I can skip that check 13:24 VanessaE and that mod is busted anyway 13:24 nore to prevent nodebreakers being crafted without needing a mese pick 13:25 VanessaE hm 13:25 VanessaE so what should I do here? 13:32 VanessaE ok, I'll just check for the presence of the two mods generally, rather than their specific items 13:32 VanessaE if not modpath(treetap) and modpath(technic) then register the ABM end 13:33 VanessaE that seems to do what I want 13:33 VanessaE except it doesn't do anything about the inventory item. 13:33 VanessaE hm 13:33 VanessaE can't alias it or it'll break the conversion ABM 13:36 VanessaE pushed. pipeworks/b1d4d8c 13:36 VanessaE I'll figure out the inventory item thing some other time :) 13:36 nore just register it then 13:36 nore it will automatically be converted when placed 13:37 VanessaE blah, that's hacky 13:37 nore legacy things are hacky 13:37 VanessaE true :P 13:43 nore VanessaE: oops... change swap_node to set_node, and then I reckon you can remove the meta:set_string("formspec", ...) 13:44 VanessaE ? 13:44 nore in the conversion routine 13:45 nore actually, a set node would be better 13:45 VanessaE right, I guess treetaps don't even HAVE an inventory to begin with 13:45 nore (to properly initialize invs) 13:45 VanessaE ok 13:45 VanessaE I'll force-push this when I'm done 13:46 VanessaE ok yeah that works. 13:46 VanessaE checking the registration of the legacy node now 13:48 VanessaE ok, it works. 13:48 VanessaE 8aea4b1 13:50 VanessaE I figured it was best to keep almost all of the original code, so that it behaves exactly as before (minus the texture refs and fixed a ref to an outdated function) 13:51 VanessaE (plus they need to be able to call pipeworks tube autorouting et al.) 14:16 Krock hi 14:17 PenguinDad hi Krock 14:27 Krock eh. the old "Average / Top" of players resetted 14:33 PenguinDad resetted is not a word #grammarnazi 14:33 Krock reset* 14:52 Krock omg hi NomelEkal 15:17 LemonLake omg hi kcorK 15:19 PenguinDad omg hi sbbohmc 15:26 cerulean256 so VanessaE, are you going to push the tree tap fix to the survival server too? 15:27 cerulean256 maybe the better question is when :) 15:27 * Krock gives cerulean256 shadowninja.minetest.net : 6667 #minetest 15:28 * nman3600 nudges Krock and tells him to read PM. 15:28 * Krock tabs on nman3600's eyes 15:29 nman3600 Krock we've got 1 hour to talk can you answer my pm. 15:29 EvergreenTree just use /msg on irc 15:29 EvergreenTree :p 15:30 LemonLake nman3600: why one hour? 15:30 LemonLake oh, school disco? 15:30 nman3600 Yes 15:30 nman3600 I may be going. 15:30 LemonLake No. you were insisting that you go. 15:31 Jordach http://honestslogans.com/post/15101631780/adobeacrobat 15:31 LemonLake love it 15:31 * Krock has holidays and laughts at nman3600 15:31 LemonLake http://honestslogans.com/image/90018568480 15:31 Jordach http://honestslogans.com/post/15579217989/pepsi2 15:34 LemonLake Hm... 15:35 LemonLake So in the next Factory update I'm going to make the takers togglable by mesecons 15:35 LemonLake Any other features that should be added? 15:36 Ragnar_droid Hi 15:36 Ragnar_droid Whats up 15:37 LemonLake Skies. 15:37 Calinou hi 15:37 nman3600 LemonLake, More compatabilty with pipeworks? 15:37 Ragnar_droid Crap... I was hoping for world piece.. 15:37 LemonLake nman3600: What needs to be compatible? 15:37 Ragnar_droid Obama and Osama 15:37 nman3600 LemonLake, Conveyor belts sending items into autocrafters. 15:38 LemonLake The mod already works with autocrafters, you just need to add it to the config. https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?p=146349#p146349 15:39 Jordach http://honestslogans.com/post/71241777922/activia lol 15:39 LemonLake Jordach: Do you reckon autocrafter support should be default in factory 0.5? 15:39 Jordach yes 15:40 Jordach i like the pipeworks autocrafters 15:40 Jordach if only they didn't need a goddamn filter 15:40 LemonLake I like them too. They're very useful. 15:40 Jordach god fucking dammit 15:40 LemonLake If I add mesecons support, it will not crash if the user does NOT have mesecons, yes? 15:40 Jordach i just remembered the entire solo from Guitar Hero and jammed along to it in time 15:41 LemonLake What song? 15:41 Jordach Ozzy Osbourn - I Don't Wanna Stop 15:41 LemonLake ooo 15:41 Jordach BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH http://honestslogans.com/post/15034720025/xboxlive 15:41 LemonLake So true. 15:42 EvergreenTree A issue I have had with compiling anything that depends on libpng is that I have libpng16 installed, but it says I compiled it with linpng12 15:42 EvergreenTree (which I also have installed) 15:42 Jordach http://honestslogans.com/post/15245537843/fedex lololol 15:42 LemonLake Uninstall libpng12 then? 15:42 EvergreenTree I'll try that 15:42 sfan5 Jordach: lo 15:42 sfan5 l 15:42 PenguinDad http://honestslogans.com/image/88192252750 :D 15:42 Ragnar_droid Hi sfan5 15:42 Jordach http://honestslogans.com/post/15188146548/campbells 15:43 LemonLake こんにちは, sfan5 15:43 sfan5 nyan 15:43 EvergreenTree LemonLake: nope 15:43 EvergreenTree doing that will remove everything that depends on libpng 15:43 EvergreenTree which is a lot of stuff 15:44 EvergreenTree like half the packages on my system 15:44 LemonLake hmm 15:44 LemonLake In mesecons, what is the best way to enable/disable a function of a node based on whether it's powered or not? 15:45 Jordach tl;dr i can do with a subway footlong right now 15:45 sfan5 *irc stats upated* 15:45 LemonLake 23 LemonLake 6511 102627820283179 today "I like them too. They're very useful." 15:45 LemonLake Well hey, I'm an active nick. Guess that's something to live up to 15:46 Calinou https://cdn.mediacru.sh/MenJzQ3PMZqg.jpg 15:46 Jordach how the fuck does VanessaE have 12000 more lines than me 15:46 Jordach 11998 lines now 15:46 LemonLake Calinou: that looks bloody nice 15:46 LemonLake what is that in? 15:47 PenguinDad LemonLake: tesseract 15:47 Calinou Tesseract: http://tesseract.gg 15:47 LemonLake oh neat 15:47 Calinou shadows work, even on player models 15:47 EvergreenTree tesseract 15:47 EvergreenTree I was ninja'd 15:47 Calinou this could make Tesseract suitable for some render-like stuff, as a Blender replacement for sloppy people :p 15:48 Jordach PFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF 15:48 LemonLake Nobody know how to do the mesecons thing I mentioned? 15:48 Jordach REAL MEN DONT USE A GAME ENGINE TO RENDER 15:48 LemonLake Real men don't use Blender to render. 15:49 LemonLake ^ loving it 15:49 sfan5 john_minetest 12931 103085338907158 9 days ago "markv: There are no realistic shooters aviable for linux" 15:49 sfan5 half-life? 15:49 LemonLake +sfan5 15:50 LemonLake Would it be fine to have an on/off state for takers? 15:50 PenguinDad half-life must be a neutron shooter :P 15:50 LemonLake I should add an alias, too, for compatibility 15:51 Calinou REAL MEN DONT USE A GAME ENGINE TO RENDER 15:51 Calinou you sure can, actually 15:51 Calinou for simple stuff it's pretty OK 15:51 Calinou no need to waste hours in blender to make something up of cubes and slopes :P 15:52 EvergreenTree blender is good for complex stuff 15:52 PenguinDad Real men use bare OpenGL to render 8) 15:52 EvergreenTree lel 15:52 LemonLake +PenguinDad 15:52 LemonLake Or DirectX if you really want to challenge yourself. 15:52 LemonLake And torture yourself 15:54 Calinou DirectX is not OpenGL's opponent, it's Direct3D 15:54 LemonLake shh 15:54 LemonLake dont brust my bruble 15:54 LemonLake im dum really, we all know that 16:05 thefamilygrog66 I can't figure out why my server isn't announcing to the public list. Very strange. 16:05 LemonLake mysterious 16:05 LemonLake like a believed ghost story 16:06 thefamilygrog66 Do I need to add anything to this when I run the server? nohup ./minetestserver & 16:12 Calinou screen -R Minetest 16:12 Calinou run your server 16:12 Calinou Ctrl + A then Ctrl + D 16:12 Calinou is preferable 16:13 Jordach Calinou, i usually only have one thing running under screen 16:13 thefamilygrog66 Calinou I'm not following... 16:15 Calinou screen lets you restore a detached terminal 16:15 * Krock would use cmd /k binminetest --server 16:15 Calinou thefamilygrog66, you need cURL to announce 16:15 Calinou get cURL, run cmake . -DBUILD_CLIENT=0, then compile 16:15 LemonLake Random quest chin: Where is the text in the top left actually defined? 16:17 thefamilygrog66 Calinou, do I need to recompile, if I don't have cURL? 16:17 Jordach yes 16:17 thefamilygrog66 Cool, thanks - I'll try again... 16:18 * Krock gives thefamilygrog66 if CURL then else and 16:18 Krock *end 16:20 thefamilygrog66 "curl is already the newest version" 16:23 Calinou the -dev version? 16:23 Calinou you need one with development headers 16:24 thefamilygrog66 Okay 16:26 LemonLake omg 16:26 LemonLake i forgot, I was working on a swapper 16:26 LemonLake :'( 16:27 LemonLake now i have to finish that, something that im not keen to finish 16:31 thefamilygrog66 I like how my old computer sounds like it's taking off while compiling minetest... 16:32 * Krock holds a cookie up and gives it thefamilygrog66 16:34 thefamilygrog66 COOKIE GOOD. 16:38 thefamilygrog66 Hey, whattaya know, it worked! Thanks folks. 16:39 rubenwardy Hi all! 16:39 LemonLake Heyho 16:41 rubenwardy Anyone want to email me a spare screen? I desperately need two screens for coding :( 16:41 LemonLake rubenwardy: would you know anything about mesecons? 16:41 rubenwardy I don't use them very often 16:41 LemonLake I mean, deving. 16:42 LemonLake nvm 16:43 LemonLake works bjotifully 16:44 PenguinDad *bjutifulli :P 16:44 LemonLake no 16:53 Calinou multiscreen is overrated 16:53 Calinou you need space on your desk too 16:59 thefamilygrog66 snack space 17:07 domtron Calinou: that's why you mount them above the desk. :P 17:09 VanessaE cerulean256: I pushed those fixes to the servers that use the treetap, yes. they will be available tomorrow morning 5am EDT unless they restart sooner. 17:10 VanessaE (sorry for the delay, I was asleep) 17:24 thefamilygrog66 Hey V, my server announces publicly now - I didn't have curl -dev installed. 17:25 LemonLake http://i.imgur.com/NMEgKrD.png 17:42 Krock such split 17:42 crazyR_  17:43 Krock 00,00empty message 17:43 fireglow I'm going to use a world/ created with freeminer on the latest version of minetest to see what happens 17:43 Krock it it's leveldb, then it won't work 17:43 fireglow fark 17:43 fireglow is there a way to convert it? 17:43 Krock you need to convert it to sqlite 17:44 fireglow can minetest 0.4.9 read leveldb? 17:44 Krock if it's compiled with leveldb, then yes 17:44 rubenwardy minetest can use leveldb 17:44 rubenwardy most builds are 17:44 Calinou don't abuse colours, Krock, I easily saw it. 17:45 Krock freeminer --migrate sqlite3 --worldname "myworld" 17:45 Calinou I use dark background ;) 17:45 fireglow 0.4.10 is exclusively sqlite? 17:45 Krock Calinou, aagh :( 17:45 Calinou you can use LevelDB if you have it installed and compile with -DENABLE_LEVELDB=1 17:45 Calinou heck, Minetest supports 4 database backends: sqlite, leveldb, redis, dummy… 17:45 fireglow cool 17:45 fireglow I'll see how it goes 17:45 Calinou it's just a game (-: 17:45 Krock well, FM uses an other system to save lveldb worlds 17:45 Calinou (dummy keeps everything in RAM, it's fast but saves nothing) 17:46 Krock fir the backend is the same 17:46 Krock *but the 17:46 fireglow hmm 17:47 fireglow Should I also enable LuaJIT in 0.4.10? 17:47 Krock LuaJIT is much faster than lua 17:47 Krock so, yes 17:47 fireglow but doesn't it have a 1GB memory limit? 17:47 Krock ever seen a minetest with 1GB RAM usage? 17:47 fireglow I'll just give it a go 17:47 rubenwardy only servers ever go over 1GB 17:47 fireglow yes, this is for a server 17:47 Krock my server is at 200 MB... 17:48 fireglow the leveldb directory is 3.9G 17:48 Krock big thing 17:48 fireglow I'm sure there are bigger 17:54 Krock the boolean of TALK/SILENCE of this room changes slowly 17:59 fireglow ah shucks, I have to leave, I'll continue this another time 17:59 fireglow until then, bye \o 18:46 Calinou https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/1466 → what is the upside of using index.mth and not using it? 18:46 Calinou fireglow, LuaJIT is 1 to 3 times faster than Lua in general 18:46 Calinou it's enabled by default, except if you compile with -DDISABLE_LUAJIT=1 18:46 Calinou (yes, it's disable, not enable) 19:17 nman3600 Krock do you have oak tree I can buy on your server? 19:17 Krock saplings avaliable 19:18 nman3600 I need planks/trunks immediately :( 19:19 nman3600 Krock, ^ 19:21 Krock nman3600, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wWn1Oj2V7Xw 19:21 nman3600 !title https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wWn1Oj2V7Xw 19:21 MinetestBot nman3600: Tony Orlando & Dawn ~ Tie a Yellow Ribbon Round the Ole Oak Tree - YouTube 19:21 nman3600 What the hell? 19:26 nman3600 Krock, Do you have any Oak wood? 19:26 Krock npoe.avi 19:26 Krock 404 19:26 Krock nope.avi 19:26 Krock 200 19:43 Megaf !title https://github.com/Megaf/Minetest4Debian 19:43 MinetestBot Megaf: Megaf/Minetest4Debian · GitHub 19:43 * Krock doesn't click 19:46 EvergreenTree Megaf: That isn't necessary. :P 19:46 Megaf well, I made that for me actually 19:47 Megaf or to me 19:47 Megaf it also makes a good minetest.conf for slow hardware 19:55 hoodedice Yo 19:56 hoodedice So, I want to test my theory with the third person camera. Which .cpp file I should be looking at? 19:56 hoodedice Also, after I'm done with that file, do I do anything else in order to compile it? 19:57 hoodedice !seen BlockMen 19:57 MinetestBot hoodedice: blockmen was last seen at 2014-07-08 22:52:34 UTC on #minetest 20:02 talas hi all 20:03 talas im trying to start minetest on my (crappy) pc, but what happens is that a small windows appears and disappears very quickly. then nothing more happens 20:03 hoodedice Is it Windows XP? 20:04 talas no, its arch linux 20:04 hoodedice Do you have the correct graphic drivers needed? More than 512 MB of RAM? 20:04 hoodedice (512 is an understatement) 20:05 Krock WIN XP ftw! AFK 20:05 hoodedice Krock, go away. 20:05 talas i dont have a dedicated graphics card, but i have 4GB ram 20:05 * PenguinDad slaps Krock 20:05 hoodedice A dedicated is not necessary. Just proper drivers, and a card that can do OpenGL 2 or late 20:05 hoodedice *later 20:06 hoodedice Although I do think that OpenGL 1.2 can also work 20:06 talas in the terminal i can see a message: Irrlicht log: OpenGL driver version is 1.2 or better. 20:06 hoodedice okay 20:06 talas then i see this last message: Irrlicht log: GLSL version: 1.3 20:06 hoodedice Have you checked debug.txt? 20:07 talas yes, it contains the same as what is printed in the terminal (+ a message that says i killed it with Ctrl+C after it stopped) 20:07 hoodedice oh wow 20:07 hoodedice Did you really? (JK) 20:08 talas (i waited 5 minutes before killing it, is it supposed to take that long to start?) 20:08 hoodedice It shouldn't, but it might, depending on your system config 20:09 hoodedice Anyway, it is recommended that Arch Linux users build Minetest themselves 20:09 talas also, i tried to run it in gdb, and i can see that a thread exits at the same time that the window disappears (but i dont know how to use gdb more than that) 20:10 talas hoodedice: i tried to build it myself, any option i should disable? 20:10 hoodedice =/ 20:11 hoodedice I have run out of juice as I am an Ubuntian myself. Lemme look around and see if there is any thing I can recommend 20:11 talas it seems i can run the minetest server just fine though, just no graphical interface 20:11 talas thanks 20:11 hoodedice Can you check your graphic chipset with lshw or similar? 20:12 hoodedice Because IMO, the biggest cause of MT problems on Linux is generic video drivers, although there are other causes too 20:13 talas its an intel ivybridge (OpenGL version 3.0 Mesa 10.2.2 is supported) 20:13 hoodedice Celeron or ix? 20:13 talas i5 20:14 LemonLake I think I have a problem... 20:14 Krock back 20:14 LemonLake I get soo much motivation to work on something, then when it comes to being halfway through it I always give up :/ 20:14 hoodedice How is that a crappy system?! 20:14 * Krock slaps hoodedice and PenguinDad 20:14 * LemonLake slaps Krock 20:14 LemonLake don't be rude 20:14 * Krock slaps LemonLake learn context 20:14 hoodedice LemonLake: That is not a problem. That is just you being... human. 20:14 hoodedice talas, I run MT on an Ivy series too 20:14 talas hoodedice: it cant run minetest 20:15 talas hmm 20:15 PenguinDad Humans! D: 20:15 hoodedice 4 GB of RAM, dual core celeron with a HD 2500 20:15 hoodedice Except that I run it on WINDOWS ( =O ) and Xubuntu. 20:15 hoodedice Have you tried other games? 20:16 hoodedice TBH, I don't know why Irrlicht reports it as GLSL 1.3 20:16 talas yes, most work at a slow steady pace 20:16 hoodedice steady = lower fps than should be? 20:16 talas nah, i guess its normal for intel gpu 20:16 hoodedice not at all 20:17 talas i can play zero-k for example 20:17 hoodedice If you are on an i5, I would expect you to be able to run proprietary games from 2008 at high quality 20:17 hoodedice Do you have Windows in dual boot on the same PC? 20:17 talas no 20:17 PenguinDad TIL Calinou is left-handed 20:18 * Krock sees the number 1465 in PenguinDad's eyes 20:18 hoodedice hmm. Because your log reports GLSL at 1.3 and not 3 or higher, I would recommend looking in your system package for drivers 20:18 hoodedice If you can get me your CPU version number, I can look for the drivers you need. 20:19 hoodedice TIL Intel supports Wayland 20:19 LemonLake Well, I did more work on the swapper than I remember, so that's something. 20:19 PenguinDad Krock: actually you can see the number 48768264 in my eyes 20:19 LemonLake Now I need to make it actually swap. Then there's the takers. 20:20 talas hoodedice: Intel(R) Core(TM) i5-3230M CPU @ 2.60GHz 20:22 hoodedice You sir, have a HD 4000 20:22 hoodedice I should be jealous =P 20:23 talas :p 20:23 talas but, arent intel drivers included in the kernel? 20:23 hoodedice Generic drivers are included 20:24 talas i have something named intel-dri 20:24 hoodedice But IMO, they such. Kernel drivers on my end in Xubuntu leave my laptop very hot 20:24 LemonLake s/such/suck?? 20:24 hoodedice Thank ou, Lemon 20:24 talas hoodedice: my laptop gets hot too 20:24 hoodedice s/ou/you 20:25 LemonLake I think most laptops do 20:25 hoodedice Ah 20:25 LemonLake >.< 20:25 hoodedice Is it a toshiba? 20:26 talas its a dell 20:26 hoodedice Dell might be problematic, they use OEM chipsets a lot 20:26 talas theres something named libva-intel-driver that i can install, sounds good? 20:28 hoodedice Then again, I will need to check out your laptop =/ Can you pass me your laptop id number thingy 20:29 talas hoodedice: i dont know the name for it, ill check and ping you when i find it.. 20:29 hoodedice I don't know much about Arch Linux. If you think that might work, and are ready to risk having a huge dinnerplate made of your laptop, go right ahead. 20:29 talas hoodedice: im ready :p 20:29 hoodedice Your number thingy *might* be on the bottom 20:30 talas bottom says VOSTRO 2520 20:30 LemonLake hoodedice: laptops don't get progressively hotter 20:30 dezem heleo 20:30 LemonLake it'll be to some point, unless the fans are blocked 20:30 LemonLake its no real concern unless it gets over 70 C 20:31 LemonLake 80 C is real risk level 20:31 talas hoodedice: installed the thing, no effect (seems i have all the updated drivers my distribution has to offer) 20:31 hoodedice Lemon, I used to use the laptop on my laps, under Windows idle was 40 C 20:31 LemonLake hoodedice: phones get around 40 C when running many apps, and it doesn't damage them, does it? 20:31 hoodedice talas, it seems intel-dri is your distros official driver 20:31 hoodedice Lemon, I didn't finish 20:31 hoodedice wait a bit 20:31 LemonLake okay 20:31 LemonLake ill wait 20:32 hoodedice talas, it does appear to me that Arch des support intel drivers properly 20:33 talas hoodedice: since i can play other 3d games i would think so too 20:34 talas im gonna go install some other irrlicht games to see if they also have problems 20:34 hoodedice Is it a 64 bit OS? Is Minetest 64 bit? 20:36 talas 64-bit os, minetest is 64 bit 20:40 talas supertuxcart (which uses irrlicht 1.8.0 works) 20:41 hoodedice Hmm, does supertuxcart have any sotra debug.txt? 20:42 talas not sure, but it does print this: irr_driver: GLSL supported. 20:43 talas i'll try to follow the compiling page on the wiki to the point and report back here after that 20:46 LemonLake My favourite thing about getting errors is the part where I'm like 'well hey, the method is called. my huge spaghetti of for loops and if statements filtered it through' 20:46 LemonLake swappers work, I'm actually relaly happy :D 21:08 hoodedice talas, status? 21:10 talas hoodedice: no change, but i found by supplying --verbose that a sounds/main_menu.ogg is missing 21:10 hoodedice There is a main_munu.ogg? 21:11 hoodedice TIL. 21:11 talas no 21:11 PenguinDad talas: that file is not needed to run minetest 21:11 talas ok, its the only error in debug.txt after enabling --verbose 21:13 talas i made a sounds directory and put a main_menu.ogg file there, it starting playing and looping (but no window) 21:14 LemonLake TIL main_menu.ogg 21:15 PenguinDad TIDNL main_menu.ogg 21:16 LemonLake actually, takers from swappers should essentially be really easy 21:16 LemonLake just messy 21:19 LemonLake What I love about sublime text is doing a multi-selection 21:19 LemonLake so fun ^.^ 21:22 * sfan5 goes to bed 21:48 LemonLake omg 21:48 LemonLake it works!! :DDD 21:50 * Jordach meows at LemonLake 21:50 * LemonLake meows at Jordach 21:51 LemonLake This was WAY easier than I thought it would be 21:52 Jordach LemonLake, it often is 21:52 LemonLake Indeed 21:53 kaeza LemonLake, it often is 21:54 kaeza like extending the damned last frame of the animation 21:54 LemonLake :P 21:54 kaeza I mean, do it already! 21:54 kaeza jeez 21:56 Jordach kaeza, I ALREADY EXTENDED IT TO 6 SECONDS 21:56 kaeza GOOD 21:56 Jordach if i go further, the b3d size increses even further 21:56 hoodedice DAMN 21:56 hoodedice LOL 21:56 werwerwer is it normal to have long slightly offtopic conversation in pull request? 21:56 * kaeza CAN SHUT UP NOW 21:56 hoodedice CODE FUCKING WORKED ON FIRST TRY 21:57 hoodedice werwerwer: Are you going at the Left Hand discussion, or on the transparency issue? 21:57 hoodedice If the issue is troll-like by nature, there might be off-topicness 21:57 hoodedice Usually, they are deleted. 21:57 kaeza werwerwer, considering 99% of the conversation on this channel is not precisely on-topic, I wouldn't be surprised :P 21:58 PilzAdam there was once a discussion about sfan5's avatar in one pull request 21:58 werwerwer actually neither of these two) 21:58 * PenguinDad remembers that avatar discussion 21:58 * Jordach has the exact chain somewhere in his mail 21:58 Jordach i'll rip it up in a few 21:59 PilzAdam https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/1232#issuecomment-40776781 21:59 PenguinDad minetest_game#272 is one of the best pull requests anyways 22:00 werwerwer hey! it's my request 22:00 hoodedice !g minetest game #272 22:00 MinetestBot hoodedice: http://irc.minetest.ru/minetest-dev/2014-02-17 22:01 hoodedice no, Minetestbot, you suck. 22:01 Jordach http://paste.debian.net/109254/ 22:01 PilzAdam can someone tell the story of the power plant and the bicycle stand? 22:01 Jordach ^ if anyone wants the chain 22:02 Jordach i removed the useless shit like dates LO 22:02 Jordach :P 22:03 kaeza lol hentai-y 22:04 PilzAdam also you cant know whether sfan5's avatar is from a hentai, its too small to tell that 22:04 PenguinDad Hentai! Y? 22:04 Jordach PilzAdam, he admitted he has some 22:04 hoodedice My current is from a rom com anime 22:04 hoodedice I don't even why I kept it 22:07 Jordach https://cdn.mediacru.sh/5UrP6ericTmF.png 22:08 LemonLake What upsets me is how people classify 'anime' as 'hentai' 22:08 LemonLake They're two entirely different things 22:09 werwerwer it's vice versa 22:09 werwerwer hentai is anime 22:09 LemonLake yep 22:09 LemonLake but anime is not hentai 22:09 PilzAdam "two entirely different things" 22:09 PilzAdam yes, one is drawn the other is real footage 22:10 LemonLake PilzAdam: that's not what i mean 22:11 Jordach PilzAdam; not knowing the difference between real porn and j-porn 22:11 Jordach since 2013 22:11 Jordach s/3/4/ 22:11 LemonLake lol 22:11 hoodedice One of the least used API methods: http://i.imgur.com/gmQEPd2.png 22:11 hoodedice Very easy to define and use too 22:12 LemonLake what method be that? 22:12 LemonLake it looks fun 22:12 hoodedice set_eye_offset ; fairly new 22:12 LemonLake factory 0.5 progress: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PQHy-HeB7cg 22:13 LemonLake oh, that's cool. could be useful for ace of picks 22:13 PenguinDad hoodedice: why do you still have the old sam skin? 22:13 * Jordach considers making specialised chests 22:13 LemonLake maybe for like a mountable turret or something 22:13 hoodedice I think it got mixed up with my backup 22:13 Jordach i may or may not be making MTG versions of my chests 22:13 Jordach i am also at post 3999 22:13 hoodedice I put the new character.png somwhere and forgot it. Edited character.png to test what happens with transparent textures. 22:14 hoodedice And then pasted this backup 22:14 Jordach tl;dr hoodedice needs a proper sized renderable skin 22:14 Jordach not that monkey 22:14 hoodedice Also, note the screenshot glitch in image 22:14 LemonLake screenshot glitch? 22:14 Jordach hoodedice, all windows machines produce slightly alpha'd images 22:15 Jordach notice that the grass is whiteish 22:15 LemonLake ohhh 22:15 LemonLake i see 22:15 Jordach copy and paste into gimp and it'll appear alphad 22:15 LemonLake yep 22:15 hoodedice Yes, bt it's only happening since 0.4.10 or maybe must'''ve happened from an earlier commit which I might've missed 22:16 Jordach hoodedice, i've seen it in ~0.4.3 22:16 Jordach or when we got shaders 22:16 hoodedice Didn't see it much in 0.4.9 22:16 Jordach i actually fixed the offending texture in BFD 22:17 Jordach only semi-transparent objects such as water produce it 22:17 Jordach i'm also working on two new biomes, one which you will hate (and hope you get a certain useless node) 22:17 LemonLake hate? y? 22:17 Jordach tl;dr Dungeon Masters spawn on it 22:18 Jordach in daylight 22:18 Jordach at any height level 22:18 Jordach and doesn't decay under a node 22:18 LemonLake okay 22:18 hoodedice shit. Lua API is limited. Looks like I'll need to modify src after all 22:18 Jordach hell in a nutshell :P 22:19 Jordach actually a physical hell biome would work 22:19 Jordach with lava as water / rivers 22:19 LemonLake Jordach: what do you think of the swappers? 22:20 Jordach awesome 22:20 Jordach they replace one item with another right 22:20 LemonLake not quite 22:20 Jordach eg, cobble -> stone (provided it's inv has any) 22:20 LemonLake items go into it, then simply get filtered 22:20 Jordach ah 22:20 LemonLake i.e. in the demo, gold and steel are on the right 22:20 Jordach i prefer mese pipes for that :3 22:20 LemonLake so they'd go into the top left slot 22:21 LemonLake i would too, actually 22:21 LemonLake but this is for non-pipeworks users 22:21 Jordach LemonLake, i made an autosmelter on VE-Survival using mese pipes 22:21 Jordach smelts all of the ores into useful things 22:21 LemonLake sounds fun 22:21 LemonLake do you have any more suggestions for factory? 22:22 Jordach nope 22:22 Jordach dual furnaces 22:22 LemonLake dual furnaces? 22:22 Jordach two slots but does double output 22:22 Jordach eg, smelt two things at once 22:22 Jordach basically doubling any fuels 22:22 hoodedice Lemon, a crane that can transfer items from one conveyor to another 22:22 LemonLake i see 22:22 LemonLake okay, this is interesting 22:23 PenguinDad Blast furnaces would be cool in minetest 22:23 Jordach hoodedice, item magnet* 22:24 LemonLake I like the idea of a magnet 22:24 LemonLake so you can lift items from one belt to another 22:24 LemonLake use that belt to drop them onto another belt (i.e. move them) 22:25 LemonLake maybe a fan, too 22:25 LemonLake so you can essentially 'blow away' items 22:26 * Jordach should add a desk fan 22:26 Jordach using the hybrids 22:26 LemonLake so a fan, a magnet, and perhaps a dual furnace 22:26 LemonLake also, a crafting recipe for swappers >.< 22:27 hoodedice bah, one line to edit, and now I have to recompile MT just for testing one line 22:27 hoodedice Core dev must be shit 22:27 Jordach hoodedice, not so bad on Linux 22:27 LemonLake ^ 22:27 hoodedice if you have to recompile everytime 22:27 LemonLake just over a minute to compile 22:27 hoodedice I am compiling on linux 22:27 hoodedice takes 5 minutes 22:28 LemonLake how many cores? 22:28 hoodedice two 22:28 hoodedice @1.9 GHz 22:28 LemonLake ah 22:28 LemonLake i use -j16 22:28 hoodedice 4 GB RAM 22:28 hoodedice if -j is thread, and if each core takes two 22:28 hoodedice Can I use -j5? 22:28 LemonLake -j4 22:28 LemonLake the +1 thing was declared useless 22:28 hoodedice What if I enter a higher -j value than supported? 22:28 LemonLake nothing too bad will happen 22:29 LemonLake if you consider cpu fryers a good thing 22:29 hoodedice Just my laptop becoming an expensive dinnerplate? 22:29 LemonLake not a dinner plate 22:29 LemonLake more of a hob 22:29 LemonLake a human hob 22:29 hoodedice !g human hob 22:29 MinetestBot hoodedice: http://www.promocell.com/products/human-primary-cells/osteoblasts/ 22:30 LemonLake i love it 22:30 hoodedice MinetestBot is being irrelevant today 22:30 LemonLake minetest bot just gives no fucks today 22:31 Jordach hoodedice, you can stick a mug by the vent to heat it up 22:31 Jordach got cold coffee? compiling time 22:31 LemonLake i actually tried that once 22:31 LemonLake sadly it was not hot enough to boil 22:31 Jordach play MC long enough and it will 22:32 LemonLake genius 22:32 hoodedice My CPU's cooling is unbelievable 22:32 hoodedice Bet 1000 doge that even if I run compiling with -j4, ice won't melt at a significant rate 22:33 hoodedice (As compared to leaving ice as is) 22:33 Jordach hoodedice, it will by a few % 22:33 hoodedice And if I switch the fan to a lower speed.. 22:33 hoodedice negligible 22:34 hoodedice okay, how about this: You can finish a bowl of ice cream with the bowl next to the CPU 22:34 hoodedice It's a Mobile Celeron. Low powered as fuck. Runs 6 hours+ on battery, full power 22:34 Jordach hoodedice, 6800K APU, runs indefinitely at full power 22:34 hoodedice ^tower. -.- 22:36 Jordach hoodedice, considering getting a http://www.ebuyer.com/613105-amd-a10-7850k-black-edition-3-7ghz-socket-fm2-apu-4mb-cache-retail-ad785kxbjabox 22:36 hoodedice I am considering that haha 22:36 hoodedice A box-opened version was at $120 22:37 hoodedice But next year 22:37 hoodedice ^I'll buy it next year 22:38 Jordach i might be considering getting two of these http://www.ebuyer.com/623645-evga-gtx-titan-black-sc-6gb-gddr5-dual-dvi-hdmi-displayport-pci-e-06g-p4-3791-kr 22:39 PenguinDad Jordach: get me one too :P 22:39 Jordach and still can't run Crysis 3 22:39 Jordach wtf 22:39 Jordach http://www.ebuyer.com/399473-pny-tesla-ck20-keplar-graphics-card-tcsk20card-pb 22:39 Jordach they sell the tesla cards 22:41 Jordach http://www.ebuyer.com/641555-msi-ntitan-z-12gd5-ntitan-z-12gd5 D: 23:26 LemonLake Fans work. 23:31 LemonLake I'll work on magnets tomorrow, I think 23:32 * Jordach revisits an old render 23:32 Jordach a very old render 23:32 Jordach using my mother fucking awesome water shader 23:32 LemonLake I want to get some early sleep tonight, so I'm heading off 23:32 LemonLake But that sounds cool, I'd like to see that sometime, Jordach 23:32 LemonLake Goodnight! 23:49 Jordach https://cdn.mediacru.sh/k45MTACSoKEl.png 23:49 Jordach ,tell LemonLake https://cdn.mediacru.sh/k45MTACSoKEl.png 23:49 Jordach !tell LemonLake https://cdn.mediacru.sh/k45MTACSoKEl.png 23:49 MinetestBot Jordach: I'll pass that on when LemonLake is around 23:49 Jordach dammit 23:50 Zeno` heh 23:50 Zeno` nice render 23:50 Zeno` wish the water looked like that in the game 23:50 Jordach (i miss ShadowBot)