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00:25 WindHero test
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01:01 Zeno` test test test
01:01 Zeno` silly microphone doesn't work. /me eats it
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01:29 WindHero lol
01:31 WindHero gotta learn to /away when I'm watching anime :P
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01:55 Eater4 sfan5?
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02:21 * cheapie pokes Zeno`
02:21 cheapie sfan5 is ready for you.
02:22 Eater4 Until I see sfan5 say something about my server and interact, the answer will be no
02:32 cheapie Looks like he disappeared.
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02:39 Zeno` heh
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02:40 Eater4 Ahem* FAKE
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03:32 Megaf [18:20:28] <thefamilygrog66> Is this normal for 0.4.10-dev? http://i.imgur.com/dFkRCdh.png
03:32 Megaf I saw that already on older versions too
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03:38 VanessaE Megaf: it helps if you answer peoples' questions while they're still here :P
03:38 Megaf VanessaE; oh, I'm not sure, sapier will always get things I write while he is offline, I don't know how he does that
03:39 Megaf Perhaps he reads the log
03:39 Megaf :P
03:39 Megaf All people could do that too!
03:39 VanessaE he reads the log but idk if grog does.
03:39 VanessaE most people don't.
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04:35 JesseH My sand wall with cactus on top is complete, now to let the cactus grow.
04:41 JesseH http://www.thehorne.com/pics/minetest1.png
04:49 emerge nice
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05:12 JesseH I have a ladder so high in this game that to finish putting ladders all the way up, it will be faster for me to create a platform where I am now and grow some trees to get the wood ill need.
05:13 JesseH Or I could go back down, grab some wood, and come back up. :P
05:32 emerge Once I made game make me ladder using this formula -- y=x
05:32 emerge It was big..
05:34 VanessaE sfan5: nu, eppes für yomtov?  merge nore's ingot textures already :)
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06:28 JesseH emerge, ;P
06:28 LemonLake eemeerrgeeee
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07:07 sfan5 cheapie: I need to sleep too..
07:07 cheapie sfan5: OK... how does that involve me?
07:07 sfan5 <cheapie> sfan5 is ready for you.
07:07 sfan5 <cheapie> Looks like he disappeared.
07:08 cheapie Yes, I was trying to get Zeno`'s attention.
07:08 cheapie I don't know where he went now.
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07:10 sfan5 !tell BlockMen https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.ph​p?f=18&amp;t=9688&amp;start=25#p147914
07:10 MinetestBot sfan5: I'll pass that on when BlockMen is around
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07:10 sfan5 meow
07:10 sfan5 hi everyone and Calinou
07:11 jp hi
07:11 emerge JesseH, what?
07:11 JesseH " Once I made game make me ladder using this formula -- y=x"
07:12 emerge yep
07:12 nore sfan5, so, do you think the new ingots look good?
07:12 emerge and also you can do y=(1/10)*x  and get a world slightly inclined
07:12 sfan5 nore: yay
07:12 sfan5 yes*
07:12 Calinou hi
07:12 Calinou sfan5, yes they do
07:12 nore hi
07:12 Calinou added them to Carbone and More Ores
07:13 emerge JesseH, It's also fun to do this with parabolic function.
07:13 emerge It will make something like a hill.
07:13 nore well, you need to thank BlockMen and VanessaE too
07:14 nore BlockMen did the original ingot I modified, and VanessaE used the first ingot I drew to make the others :)
07:14 * VanessaE has mad gimp re-coloring skillz ;)
07:14 Calinou ERROR[CurlFetchThread]: http://192.99.11.10/creativ​e-survival-media/index.mth not found (HTTP response code said error) (response code 404)
07:15 Calinou I got this while connecting to mostly-vanilla server
07:15 VanessaE Calinou: happens to me too, idk why the client even shows those errors - I don't use the index.mth method at all
07:15 VanessaE I mentioned it in -dev, no one responded.
07:17 Calinou finally I can quickly dig papyrus (and cacti even) quickly :p
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07:22 Calinou omfg
07:22 Calinou water movement in minetest_next is insanely slow and you sink quickly
07:22 Calinou even fast mode isn't fast
07:22 Calinou why does BlockMen must copy everything from Minecraft?
07:23 Calinou VanessaE, server is pretty laggy… maybe this is due to the snow mod
07:24 sfan5 VanessaE: why don't you use index.mth?
07:24 VanessaE sfan5: honestly, it's too complicated for me
07:25 VanessaE sfan5: I'm a flat-folders/flat-files sort of person
07:25 sfan5 it's flat-files
07:25 Calinou I've never managed to set up remote_media
07:25 Calinou so people who connect to my server take 10 minutes :D but they don't care
07:26 sfan5 VanessaE: https://gist.github.com/sfan5/6351560
07:26 VanessaE sfan5: that's part of the problem there, too...  shouldn't that script be published as a standard tool included with Minetest?
07:26 sfan5 maybe it should
07:26 VanessaE last time I looked for it, I couldn't find it.
07:27 sfan5 https://gist.github.com/sfan5/ has many useful stuff
07:28 Calinou there should be https://github.com/minetest/util
07:28 Calinou you'd clone that in your Minetest repository
07:28 Calinou it would feature mapper (C++ probably), remote media generator, Minecraft to Minetest texture pack converters… and so on
07:28 VanessaE well there's already a utils dir in the minetest repo anyway
07:28 Calinou automatic backup and restart scripts too
07:28 VanessaE such things belong there, no?
07:29 Calinou I'd like that as a separate repo, so that the core devs aren't afraid of committing stuff to it
07:29 sfan5 ^ +1
07:29 VanessaE good point
07:29 Calinou most people don't need these tools anyway
07:32 sfan5 VanessaE: another thing you need to be aware of: Minetest does a POST not a GET
07:32 VanessaE ok?
07:33 VanessaE this 404 business only just started in the last few days
07:33 VanessaE the client should never show those errors.
07:33 VanessaE (well, s/few/several/)
07:34 Eater4 sfan5: you password has been cleared on my servers
07:35 sfan5 my password?
07:35 sfan5 huh?
07:35 sfan5 s/huh/why/
07:35 sfan5 I was never on your server anyway
07:35 Eater4 Because, a person was impersonating you
07:36 ThatGraemeGuy potentially noob question.... but if I add a mod that has ores, would it add some of those new ores to an existing world?
07:36 sfan5 ThatGraemeGuy: yes
07:36 Calinou only to newly generated blocks
07:36 sfan5 but .. ^
07:36 Calinou so it's best to create a new world
07:37 Eater4 And make sure: load_mod_(whatever the mod is) = true in world.mt
07:38 Calinou you can do that graphically in the Configure menu
07:38 jp world.mt is more sure.
07:38 VanessaE Calinou: did you by chance get a screenshot of those 404's?
07:39 VanessaE Calinou: can you add your +1 to this?  https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/1466
07:40 Calinou no, I didn't, but I can reconnect
07:41 VanessaE I tried but wasn't able to repeat it on the second try
07:41 Eater4 Does my server do that
07:42 Eater4 ?
07:42 VanessaE as for lag, idk what's causing the lag :-/
07:42 VanessaE Eater4: anyone who uses remote media/cURL to serve up the media files probably might eventually, especially if there is enough media to serve.
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07:50 Krock hi
07:50 Eater4 Hi
07:50 Krock I hope you're not hungry, eater.
07:51 Krock :3
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07:53 Ragnar_droid Herro
07:55 Calinou hi Krock :)
07:56 Krock hi Calinou
07:56 ThatGraemeGuy cool, thanks sfan5, Calinou
07:57 Ragnar_droid Hi peopl
07:57 Ragnar_droid Calinou do you know any cheap VPS hosting servers
07:57 Eater4 Me! jk
07:57 sfan5 https://digitalocean.com
07:58 Ragnar_droid Just to start off my server
07:59 Ragnar_droid Eater4 what are your specs
08:00 Calinou this isn't any cheaper than most VPS, sfan5
08:01 Calinou too bad, they all have the same prices
08:01 Calinou gg datacenter owners…
08:02 Ragnar_droid Sfan how much ram would i need for a server that has 15 people online at tge same time, minetest_game and a few plugins
08:03 Eater4 Not a lot
08:03 Ragnar_droid 512 Enough?
08:03 Eater4 I run 2 servers
08:03 Calinou Ragnar_droid, CPU and bandwidth are more important than RAM
08:03 Calinou 512 wouldn't
08:03 Calinou you have to host the OS too…
08:03 jp 2 Go minimum
08:03 Calinou aim for 2 GB
08:03 Eater4 I have 4
08:03 Eater4 And 2 cores
08:05 Ragnar_droid 64Gb ram. 40 cores enough? Lol
08:05 Eater4 Then you can run 60 minetest servers :-)
08:05 Ragnar_droid 20 cores*
08:06 Eater4 You have enough cores already
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08:07 Eater4 If you were to run a minetestserver
08:07 * Calinou does have 8 threads and 8 GB
08:07 Calinou but crappy bandwidth… 50 KB/s upload, 300 KB/s download
08:07 Calinou like I say, “ISPs never deliver”.
08:08 Eater4 Mine does
08:08 Eater4 But, it is very expensive
08:08 Eater4 Idk the exact price but...ya
08:09 Ragnar_droid Hey... Just found a great deal
08:09 Eater4 Were?
08:09 Ragnar_droid Not gonna tell ya *giggles*
08:10 Ragnar_droid But for $7/nont
08:10 Ragnar_droid Month
08:10 Eater4 WHERE
08:10 Eater4 Don't make me hack you :P
08:10 Eater4 Jk
08:10 Ragnar_droid qual Share CPU 2048MB RAM 2048MB vSwap 40GB SSD RAID10 Diskspace 3000GB Bandwidth 100Mbps Port Speed 1 IPv4 Address OpenVZ/SolusVM Coupon: LEB2GB65 $7.00/Month |
08:11 Ragnar_droid Equal share*
08:11 Eater4 The link to the website?
08:11 Ragnar_droid Hmm.......
08:11 Ragnar_droid http://lowendbox.com/blog/ssd-vps-7-2g​b-ram-40gb-ssd-openvz-in-los-angeles/
08:12 Eater4 Hm....
08:12 Calinou where do you live, Ragnar_droid?
08:12 Calinou it's a terrible idea to rent a server in the US if you live in Europe
08:13 Ragnar_droid In estonia xD
08:13 Ragnar_droid I know... Lag
08:13 Calinou so rent a VPS located in Europe
08:13 Calinou less lag, more rights
08:13 Ragnar_droid LA to estonia
08:13 Ragnar_droid Where
08:14 Ragnar_droid Where would you host it to let everybody in EU have about the same experiencr
08:14 Ragnar_droid Whats the country that is in the middle of eu
08:14 Calinou anywhere in Europe is OK
08:14 Calinou but obviously, people from the US will lag ;)
08:15 ruskie just go iceland then everyone will lag
08:15 Ragnar_droid Probably... XD
08:15 Calinou western Europe is ideal
08:15 Calinou since you're close to Germany, France, UK, Belgium…
08:15 Eater4 XD Make it fair
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08:16 Eater4 Calinou: what country do you live in?
08:16 Calinou France
08:16 Ragnar_droid Eater. U have a server righ
08:16 Ragnar_droid Right
08:16 Ragnar_droid Bonjur Calinou
08:16 Eater4 I have 2....
08:16 Eater4 I am from the US guys :P
08:16 Ragnar_droid Mon nam est Ragnar
08:17 jp nom*
08:17 Ragnar_droid Is it?
08:17 Ragnar_droid Oh yeah
08:17 Ragnar_droid Sorry...
08:17 Krock Eater4, isn't it late already? :3
08:18 Eater4 It's 3:17 in the moring O_O
08:18 Ragnar_droid Gave it my best... Btw cal... A french babe visited us in march... French girls are HOT... Just like in the movies
08:18 jp ...
08:18 Krock ^french
08:18 Eater4 That was uncalled for
08:18 Ragnar_droid How so
08:19 Eater4 Wasn't....expecting that
08:19 Ragnar_droid You jelous
08:19 Eater4 Nvm
08:19 Ragnar_droid Jelaous
08:19 Ragnar_droid Lets just say Jelly...
08:19 Eater4 Nope
08:20 Eater4 Krock: you need to rebuild that irc mod
08:20 Eater4 For your server
08:20 Krock huh?
08:20 Krock how?
08:20 Ragnar_droid Now people! What (in your opinion) is the best kind of work? I think I.T. and Programming
08:21 Eater4 ^
08:21 ruskie sysadmining hehe
08:22 Krock The best kind of work is sitting on a nice chair and waiting for money.
08:22 ruskie that sounds boring
08:22 Eater4 Krock: I am sure we can rebuild it or remake it for windows
08:22 Krock (Background knowlege: Boss-level must be reached)
08:22 Eater4 Or I
08:22 Krock Eater4, good luck.
08:23 Krock I could make such an API full in C# but Lua doesn't seem to support that
08:24 Calinou <Ragnar_droid> Gave it my best... Btw cal... A french babe visited us in march... French girls are HOT... Just like in the movies
08:24 Calinou please don't assume that
08:24 Ragnar_droid Why
08:25 Eater4 Hm....
08:25 sfan5 wat
08:26 sfan5 why doesn't mese ore drop anything anymore?
08:26 Ragnar_droid Because u nub
08:26 Eater4 ?
08:27 sfan5 drop = "default:mese_crystal",
08:27 Krock sfan5, interesting. such a bug already existed with the diamond ore :3
08:27 sfan5 hmmm
08:27 sfan5 Krock: that was in carbone
08:27 Krock okay
08:27 sfan5 I think I timed out
08:28 sfan5 !up minetest.org 300018
08:28 MinetestBot minetest.org:300018 seems to be down
08:28 sfan5 !up minetest.org 30018
08:28 MinetestBot minetest.org:30018 seems to be down
08:28 sfan5 noooooooooo
08:28 Krock Diese Website enthält Malware!
08:28 Krock WTF
08:28 Krock http://celeron.55.lt/~celeron55/minetest/packag​es/win32/minetest-0.2.20110618_0_dev-win32.zip
08:28 sfan5 Krock: that warning is for 55.lt not for celeron.55.lt
08:28 sfan5 just use c55.me
08:28 Eater4 sfan5: why?
08:29 Eater4 Why nooo
08:29 sfan5 why what?
08:29 sfan5 because Meowtest is down
08:29 Krock sfan5, well, the c55.me site don't contain that file :3
08:30 Eater4 sfan5: how do you update minetest?
08:30 sfan5 http://minetest.net/download
08:30 Krock xcopy builds\bin\* myminetest\bin\* >nul
08:30 Eater4 How do you update minetestserver
08:31 Eater4 For lunix
08:31 Krock > lunix
08:31 sfan5 which linux?
08:31 sfan5 (distribution)
08:31 Eater4 Unbuntu
08:31 Krock > Unbuntu
08:31 sfan5 use the ppa
08:31 Krock xD
08:31 Eater4 >XD
08:32 Eater4 Whats that?
08:32 Krock !g ubuntu ppa
08:32 MinetestBot Krock: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+ppas
08:32 Krock not that
08:32 Krock or..yes?
08:32 sfan5 !g ubuntu ppa minetest
08:32 MinetestBot sfan5: https://launchpad.net/~min​etestdevs/+archive/stable
08:32 sfan5 ^ Eater4
08:35 * Krock downloads minetest 0.0.1
08:36 Eater4 XD
08:36 Krock woo :) Icould copy that on a floppy disk
08:37 Eater4 How fast was it? Lol
08:38 Eater4 I find it funny how we haven't made it to 1 yet
08:38 Krock test it self... i get 25 fps
08:38 Krock http://c55.me/minetest/oldsite/packages/win32/
08:38 Krock *50
08:39 Krock ewwww
08:39 Krock it doesn't give me the dug blocks into the inventory
08:39 Krock BUG
08:40 Eater4 o_o
08:40 Calinou {items = {"default:cobble"},},
08:40 Calinou {items = {"default:mese_crystal"},},
08:40 Calinou {items = {"maptools:silver_coin 1"},},
08:40 Calinou sfan5, these are default:stone_with_mese drops
08:41 sfan5 I'm not using carbone
08:42 Eater4 !up minetest.crabdance.com
08:42 MinetestBot minetest.crabdance.com:30000 is up (291ms)
08:42 Calinou :(
08:42 Eater4 !up minetest.crabdance.com : 30001
08:42 MinetestBot Eater4: Syntax changed, please use 'example.org 1337' instead of 'example.org:1337'
08:43 Eater4 !up minetest.crabdance.com 30001
08:43 MinetestBot minetest.crabdance.com:30001 is up (123ms)
08:47 Eater4 !up minetest.org 30019
08:47 MinetestBot minetest.org:30019 seems to be down
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08:52 hoodedice Morning Europeans
08:52 Krock moin
08:52 hoodedice sfan, still down?
08:53 sfan5 !up minetest.org:30018
08:53 MinetestBot sfan5: Syntax changed, please use 'example.org 1337' instead of 'example.org:1337'
08:53 sfan5 !up minetest.org 30018
08:53 Calinou hi hoodedice
08:53 hoodedice lel forgot own bot's syntax
08:53 MinetestBot minetest.org:30018 seems to be down
08:53 sfan5 hoodedice: still down
08:53 hoodedice Hi Calinou =)
08:54 hoodedice hmm, wasn't planning to play anyway =P. Gonna get some documentation done, and then rest, and then more docs.
08:56 hoodedice got this on r/dogecoin: "Hustler.com takes Dogecoin."
08:56 * hoodedice clicks link.
08:56 hoodedice 2minuteslater.jpg
08:57 hoodedice CLOSE CLOSE CLOSE CLOSE CLOSE
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08:57 hoodedice DAMMIT ZWIZZING POP UP ZWIZZING CLOSE ALREADY
08:57 Calinou your browser doesn't block pop-ups
08:57 Calinou ?
08:58 hoodedice not that kind of pop ups
08:58 hoodedice the flash kind, I think
08:58 hoodedice I'mm not that secure with my browsing yet
08:58 hoodedice http://imgur.com/gallery/jbfRO
08:58 hoodedice ^Not NSFW
08:58 Krock sfan5, something went wrong https://forum.minetest.net/vi​ewtopic.php?p=147933#p147933
08:59 Krock *points at posts-count*
08:59 sfan5 saw that
08:59 sfan5 idc
08:59 Krock ah okay
09:00 hoodedice Why isn't this closed already? LOL: https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/1463
09:01 Calinou hoodedice, AdBlock + Disconnect + WOT + Flagfox is what I use ;)
09:01 Calinou and /etc/hosts file, and blocking third party cookies
09:01 Calinou http://someonewhocares.org/hosts
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09:01 sfan5 Krock: what is this bullshit? Just because it is named OpenAL32.dll it does not need to be 32 bit, the same way kitten_128bit.dll is not 128 bit
09:02 hoodedice Calinou, I don't turn off ad block because I want to support the sites I visit,, for now
09:02 sfan5 and no, 32bit dlls do not works with 64 bit programs
09:02 Calinou “supporting” these sites at the cost of being tracked and your brain being brainwashed is a bad deal
09:03 hoodedice Some day when I am not busy, and bored with skyrim, and CS:S, and the 50 other games I have, I might configure firefox to do shiz
09:03 Krock sfan5, eh. so there are 2 diffrent OpenAL32.dll, once for 32 bit and once for 64?
09:03 hoodedice " brain being brainwashed is a bad deal"
09:03 sfan5 yes
09:03 hoodedice OH PLEASE
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09:03 Krock okay *edits*
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09:03 hoodedice I am the last person you can expect to conform to mainstream views
09:03 * Krock can't find the edit button
09:03 Calinou well, ads are an insult to your brain
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09:04 Krock You cannot edit posts in this forum.
09:04 Krock perfect.
09:05 hoodedice Not to mine
09:06 hoodedice According to Sam Harris, I am a part of a radical group from the 14th Century
09:06 hoodedice So I has no brains
09:06 RealBadAngel good for ya, having a brain is dangerous nowadays ;)
09:07 hoodedice ^ See?
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09:09 hoodedice BTW, I like how I can't browse c55's blog (ATTACK PAGE)
09:17 Calinou I sure can here
09:17 Calinou c55.me/blog
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09:20 hoodedice older links
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09:20 Calinou replace thelm
09:21 hoodedice ?
09:22 PenguinDad http://imgur.com/gallery/aob0jk8 :D
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09:32 hoodedice Calinou: Fully transparent models are possible in MT, I tested
09:32 hoodedice Dunno about semi
09:32 Calinou yes, and fully transparent is useless
09:32 Calinou because the name is still visible
09:32 hoodedice isn't there a way to remove that?
09:32 hoodedice in minetest.conf?
09:32 Calinou no
09:33 Calinou only names from far away can be disabled server-side
09:33 hoodedice hmm, but the actual issue is solved
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09:33 hoodedice Why not make another?
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09:42 hoodedice !tell BlockMen PM is broken, sorta https://forum.minetest.net/v​iewtopic.php?f=6&amp;t=9719 Sorry for bugging ya
09:42 MinetestBot hoodedice: I'll pass that on when BlockMen is around
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10:38 * Jordach finished nomming on a Rustlers Chicken Mayo Sub
10:41 * Jordach mews at sfan5
10:43 * VanessaE throws a gold ingot at sfan5 :)
10:46 Jordach oh yeah
10:46 Jordach i made the ingot template so that you can just change the colours for different materials
10:47 VanessaE cool
10:47 * Jordach lets dropbox finish itself
10:51 Jordach https://cdn.mediacru.sh/zL0W1CrldRHk.png D:
10:54 VanessaE what?
10:54 VanessaE because it's read-only?
10:54 * VanessaE is confused
10:54 Jordach read-only affects apps that aren't authorised
10:54 Jordach i've used nearly half my dropbox space
10:55 VanessaE eep
10:55 VanessaE time to make another dropbox account ;)
11:00 VanessaE bbl, gonna lie down
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11:19 Krock almost compiled the minetest mapper :) http://pastebin.com/LbUiMyic
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11:27 artur99 hi
11:27 artur99 who can help me with a server? :D
11:28 artur99 I made a VPS on host1free.com
11:28 artur99 and now with PuTTy I am trying to do something
11:28 artur99 but idk what
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11:47 JesseH artur was here for a whole 5 minutes and no one helped him! Shame :P
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11:50 Krock "4.10 | Please be patient, responses may take a while | Rule"
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12:17 Jordach Krock, perfecly symmetrical selection, has 5 characters (inc. spaces) to the left of the |
12:18 Krock Jordach, yeah. great selection
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12:57 PenguinDad I think lua mapgens hate me
13:02 * sfan5 meows at PenguinDad
13:03 PenguinDad it could also be possible that everyone who created a lua mapgen loves snow :/
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13:07 * Krock is happy about his superduper skins updater
13:08 Krock added automatic deletion of no longer existend skins on the database and ignore unchanged files
13:08 Krock :)
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13:09 * Krock tests it
13:09 * PenguinDad is happy about his much better panes mod
13:12 * Krock updated 39 / ~360 skins :)
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13:27 Krock wut? access violation 4 times in a row when trying to connect?
13:28 PenguinDad Krock: I've had more segfaults in a row yesterday
13:29 * sfan5 meows at Krock
13:30 * Krock meows at sfan5
13:30 * PenguinDad squawks at both
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13:39 Lugal hello
13:39 Lugal how can I increase my building range in creativ mode?
13:40 Krock open games/minetest_game/mods/creative/init.lua
13:41 Krock hmm
13:42 Krock I'd add something like minetest.registered_tools[""].range = 30 to the codes..no idea if it would work
13:49 Lugal worked, thanks :)
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14:10 Krock np
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14:55 Lugal If I make a map, will I be able to use it in newer versions of the game too? is there something like a converter? or do I have to start a new map if a new version of the game comes out?
14:59 AnotherBrick you will be able to use it in newer versions
15:03 sfan5 Lugal: unlike Minecraft, Minetest is highly backwards compatible
15:06 twoelk Lugal: you may have some minor conflicts though with some nodes supplied by mods, as Minetest Next has been merged into the default game. Thus for example a standalone boats mod might get in conflict with the boats mod now included in the default Minetest-game. Nothing that should break the map though.
15:08 Calinou sfan5, both are quite backwards compatible, but very old worlds will require work in both versions
15:08 Calinou eg. worlds made before 0.2_20110922 require a sectors → sqlite conversion
15:08 sfan5 Calinou: what about connecting to a server with a newer/older version?
15:08 Calinou worlds made after that will be converted using aliases
15:08 Calinou oh, protocol almost always changes on new Minecraft releases, but it's usually not without reason
15:09 Calinou (but it has been a few times)
15:09 sfan5 I'm pretty sure 0.2 maps still work with todays Minetest
15:09 sfan5 there is code for it
15:09 Calinou use sectors2sqlite.py first
15:09 Calinou maps made after 0.2_20110922 are already sqlite, so they'll work, but facedir of nodes may be lost
15:09 sfan5 I mean C++ code
15:10 Calinou legacy items won't be converted
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15:17 twoelk it could be usefull to have a one button tool to get a list of unknown items in a world. That list could be used to make rules like when a mobs mod got deleted, all the unknown objects formally known as sheep get deleted while the meat gets transformed to apples.
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15:30 GhostDoge Has someone still got this map? https://forum.minetest.net/v​iewtopic.php?f=12&amp;t=915
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15:32 thefamilygrog66 howdy folks
15:32 GhostDoge hi thefamilygrog66
15:33 thefamilygrog66 Any tricks in getting a server to show up in the public servers list? I'm not sure what I'd doing wrong...
15:36 thefamilygrog66 Firewall ports, possibly?
15:37 Krock server_annunce = true
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15:38 thefamilygrog66 Yes, Krock - it looks like this:
15:38 thefamilygrog66 # Automaticaly report to masterserver server_announce = true # Announce to this masterserver. if you want to announce your ipv6 address - use  serverlist_url = v6.servers.minetest.net serverlist_url = servers.minetest.net
15:39 Krock yup. and if your firewall has UDP port 30000 open, then t will work
15:40 thefamilygrog66 Pretty sure I set it to have both UDP/TCP 30000 open
15:40 thefamilygrog66 Both on the computer itself and on the router.
15:41 thefamilygrog66 I can log into the server via minetest client no problem. It's weird.
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15:41 thefamilygrog66 Adam will know the answer...
15:46 GhostDoge "Minetest has a codebase with a long source history maintained by a very large development team with stable Y-O-Y commits." \o/
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15:48 Calinou it's properly commented unlike Cube 2
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15:50 GhostDoge Calinou: after ohlol minetest has a comment rate of 22%
15:50 GhostDoge *ohloh
15:52 Calinou “ohlol” heh
15:55 rubenwardy wow http://minetest.fensta.bplaced.net/#!page:1,filtertype:Name,filter:Jesus
16:01 Krock such creative
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16:11 Krock DogePony, I love you (ponies)
16:12 DogePony I love my connection
16:14 * PenguinDad puts Pinkie Pie on Krock's head
16:14 VanessaE hi all
16:14 PenguinDad hi VanessaE
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16:17 rubenwardy !seen EvergreenTree
16:17 MinetestBot rubenwardy: evergreentree was last seen at 2014-07-10 02:24:31 UTC on #minetest
16:19 Calinou hi
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16:55 rubenwardy First attempt at Manga / Anime style art. https://mediacru.sh/mCc0wCoz04-y
16:55 rubenwardy Unfortunately, I don't have a scanner, so I had to use a photograph, and then go over the lines in GIMP. Which makes it jagged.
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16:57 nman3600 VanessaE, Are you currently on Krock's server?
16:58 nman3600 Is VE Awake?
16:59 PenguinDad rubenwardy: at least better than I could draw it :P
17:01 rubenwardy !seen VanessaE
17:01 MinetestBot rubenwardy: vanessae was last seen at 2014-07-10 21:14:32 UTC on #minetest
17:02 nman3600 Someone is apparently VE on Krock's server (I don't believe them)
17:02 Krock I'm reading the dev wiki
17:03 Krock and my CPU sais: 10% usage, so - nope. not me
17:03 PenguinDad lol
17:05 Krock - Idlezeit: 31 min, 14 sec
17:05 Krock @message, 5 mins ago
17:08 domtron rubenwardy: you should try out blenders NPR options. I've been working with it over the last couple of weeks: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/82​86519/cat%20model/face/face7-test.png https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u​/8286519/cat%20model/face/face7.png
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17:09 rubenwardy Interesting
17:09 nman3600 Krock, Can Rhys have moderator on your server (I trust him well)
17:12 Krock nman3600, sinve when is "moderator" claimable?
17:12 Krock > have
17:12 nman3600 Krock, He's trustworth and he's been helping me with moderator issues (before I get the chance to talk)
17:13 Vazon you can claim a word?? O.o i want to claim a word lol
17:13 Krock Vazon, sure you can. *gives you "word"*
17:13 Vazon but but i dont like the word "word" :( can i get a refund?
17:13 PenguinDad I want a moderator too :P
17:14 Krock "mod" are better, you don't know if "modification" or "moderator" is meant
17:14 Krock s/are/is
17:15 domtron rubenwardy: Quick search found this http://blendernpr.org/tag/anime/
17:16 Krock lol
17:16 Krock that made him leaving
17:17 PenguinDad Krock: must have been a shock site ;)
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17:17 Krock definitely
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17:18 Krock use /quit!
17:18 * PenguinDad is not going to use /quit
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17:21 hoodedice >EA
17:22 hoodedice > be 10th year Battlefield anniversary
17:22 hoodedice > Make BF 1942 free for everyone
17:22 hoodedice > Gamespy shut down.
17:22 hoodedice > "We can't distribute BF1942 like this"
17:22 hoodedice > Removes BF1942 from Origin.
17:23 hoodedice WTF EA?
17:24 rubenwardy Origin: Why have just the NSA when you can have the NSA and EA?
17:24 JesseH EA, stands for something clever and offensive.
17:26 hoodedice Even worse, they ended support for BF2, BF2142, and a load of other good old games
17:27 hoodedice There are unofficial servers available, but EA just won't make those games entirely free
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17:31 hoodedice 40% off Goat Sim 2014
17:33 Calinou doesn't make it worth purchasing
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17:34 hoodedice now $5
17:34 hoodedice > $5 <
17:35 hoodedice nah, I agree with you anyway
17:35 hoodedice I don't even play Garry's Mod
17:37 Calinou Minetest is $ 0
17:37 Calinou permanent
17:37 Calinou works on all major OS, no DRM, you have freedom
17:37 Calinou oh and it lasts more than 4 hours
17:37 hoodedice Well
17:38 hoodedice The day when we get lagless first person combat with guns in a PvE environment
17:38 hoodedice ... I don't know what I would do that day...
17:38 hoodedice In any case, the gamer side of me is unasatisfied with open source efforts in games
17:39 hoodedice There are cases like Minetest and Flightgear, where the community is at least TRYING
17:39 Jordach hoodedice, neincraft :3
17:39 Calinou <hoodedice> The day when we get lagless first person combat with guns in a PvE environment
17:39 Calinou PvE environment?
17:39 hoodedice Or I must say, the games are kinda good
17:39 Calinou <hoodedice> In any case, the gamer side of me is unasatisfied with open source efforts in games
17:39 Calinou 1) you're not entitled to anything 2) it relies on volunteers, not paid people
17:39 hoodedice Person vs Environment
17:39 Calinou 3) most gamers' minds are fundamentally incompatible with free software
17:40 hoodedice 1) Yes, I am not. But  I can have.
17:40 hoodedice 2) Yes, but the lack of volunteers is disheartening
17:40 PenguinDad Xonotic and Red Eclipse are really good imo
17:40 hoodedice 3) Go away. Why am I here then?
17:40 hoodedice Penguin, I dislike fast paced shooters
17:41 hoodedice There is this f2p open source wolfenstein game with a mod
17:41 hoodedice Which is very hard to set up
17:41 hoodedice It looks good, but I think it sucks in all respect
17:42 Calinou ET:L is fard from hard to set up; it has an installer which downloads game data for you
17:42 Calinou even if you don't use the installer, I fail to see how moving .pk3 files to somewhere is hard
17:42 Calinou hoodedice, well, Red Eclipse is not that fast
17:42 Calinou it's even medium-paced on some maps like center
17:43 rubenwardy grr. Why do switches fall through if there is no break;? Why would that ever be needed!
17:43 hoodedice This one: http://www.truecombatelite.com/
17:43 hoodedice "Today we received the awesome news that TrueCombat:Elite has been Greenlit on Steam!"
17:44 Calinou TCE is crap
17:44 hoodedice Great, I'll just get it off Steam, then.
17:44 Jordach fuck your awesomely realistic games
17:44 Calinou what you want is ET:L
17:44 Calinou http://etlegacy.com
17:44 Jordach i'll go play TF2
17:44 Calinou TCE isn't free/libre IIRC, anyway
17:44 Calinou and it's quite dead
17:44 Jordach hoodedice, TF2?
17:44 hoodedice not today
17:44 hoodedice Don't feel like
17:44 Jordach D:
17:44 hoodedice =/
17:45 hoodedice Who the heck sad red eclipse was anything slow?!
17:45 Calinou TCE doesn't exactly look good anyway
17:45 Calinou http://tesseract.gg → this is “look good”
17:45 Calinou hoodedice, me, it can be slow sometimes
17:45 Calinou you do realize all maps are not the same
17:45 hoodedice It has friggin bhopping!
17:46 Calinou both of these games lack strafe jumping
17:46 Calinou bunny hopping refers to using a trick to keep high speed while turning in air.
17:46 Calinou jumping repeatedly is not bunny hopping
17:46 hoodedice I beg to differ
17:46 Calinou it can be done in any game, even TF2 with a script
17:46 Calinou you can jump repeatedly IRL
17:46 Calinou also, jumping all the time makes for a bad player
17:46 Calinou you're predictable
17:47 hoodedice Tesserect has a nice engine
17:47 hoodedice nah, when you are flashbanged, better jump around than crouching
17:49 Calinou war simulators aren't fun and teach people bad things
17:51 hoodedice *shakes head*
17:51 Calinou shake your head as much as you want, but gaming isn't an end to everything anyway
17:53 hoodedice Indeed it is not.
17:58 Krock horray. an other issue.
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18:10 Calinou you seem to think it is
18:10 Calinou like, it's the end of the world if no games satisfy you
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18:24 smoke_fumus was kicked by Calinou: smoke_fumus
18:24 * Calinou salutes
18:24 Calinou do that again → month ban
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18:24 smoke_fumus appa
18:24 Calinou I don't joke with harassment and people harassing me in general, it happens often enough
18:25 smoke_fumus Yeah, even though you are being a jerk yourself
18:25 smoke_fumus don't want people to harrass you - don't be a jerk.
18:25 smoke_fumus simple rule.
18:25 sfan5 wat
18:25 Calinou you're quite the one being a jerk here
18:25 sfan5 Calinou: what did smoke_fumus do?
18:26 smoke_fumus sfan5: not on this channel, he kicked me when i shoved him dow non #opengameart
18:26 sfan5 Calinou: this is not how this is supposed to work
18:26 smoke_fumus Calinou: yeah, need i remind you your dick-less bitching about my swf upload and today about your yelling at me to burn just because i upload my music on newgrounds? That's being a total dickless jerk.
18:27 Calinou keep it off with the attacks and swear words, please
18:27 smoke_fumus keep it off from being a jerk, and i'll lay down my cock-full spear
18:27 AnotherBrick now THAT is  a decent reason to kick/ban/mute/whatever
18:28 smoke_fumus AnotherBrick: sarcasm or honest?
18:29 AnotherBrick second
18:29 Calinou I don't think banning you will solve things
18:29 Calinou but if you harass me even once here, you'll be banned
18:30 Calinou this includes calling me an extrem¡st or such, btw.
18:30 smoke_fumus Calinou: uh.......what?
18:30 smoke_fumus how this has to do with anything?
18:30 smoke_fumus i mean calling you extrimist
18:31 Calinou I'm sure it'll happen some day
18:32 smoke_fumus uh, you just divided on zero
18:36 * VanessaE peeks in...
18:36 VanessaE damn, what did I miss? :P
18:36 Krock 3rd world war.
18:36 sfan5 not much
18:37 Calinou me being harassed
18:37 Calinou you wouldn't like it, VanessaE
18:38 VanessaE Calinou: oh, well nothing unusual then? ;)
18:38 Calinou no, but it's not funny at that point
18:38 VanessaE understood
18:38 * VanessaE scrolls back a bit...
18:39 AnotherBrick btw Calinou, your warning about month ban was just after you kicked fumus and right before he joined
18:43 VanessaE I have to admit I'm confused about that kick and ban warning as well.
18:43 VanessaE however the follow-up commentary from smoke_fumus was un-called-for in any case.
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19:52 Krock VanessaE, why are your servers not on inchra.net? I thought the IRC mod tries to re-connect
19:56 EvergreenTree Krock: same thing happens to me
19:56 EvergreenTree on isis.inchra.net and irc.inchra.net
19:56 EvergreenTree as well as anubis.inchra.net
19:56 Krock Well, I'm on anubis since 10 hours and 3 players online...still
19:57 Krock is that not all connected together? - or in other words: does it matter which server I connect to?
19:57 EvergreenTree Idk
19:58 Krock I see
19:58 Krock moved to shadowninja.minetest.net
19:58 hoodedice What did I miss?
19:59 hoodedice Can't see much in the logs
20:00 * hoodedice walks away
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20:05 twoelk the inchra.net servers sometimes get split. The VE servers are usually on isis. Horus and anubis had some downtime  now and then
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20:08 sfan5 Calinou: are you visiting? :)
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20:15 sfan5 !c (60000*60000*3)/1024
20:15 MinetestBot 10546875
20:15 sfan5 !c (60000*60000*3)/1024.0/1024
20:15 MinetestBot 10299.6826171875
20:15 sfan5 !c (60000*60000*3)/1024.0/1024/1024
20:15 MinetestBot 10.058283805847168
20:17 sfan5 !c (36112*13472*3)/1024.0/1024/1024
20:17 MinetestBot 1.3592677116394043
20:17 thefamilygrog66 sfan, and the calculations...
20:18 hoodedice sfan5, ##minetestbot
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20:19 sfan5 hoodedice: calculation as related to #minetest
20:19 hoodedice spam.
20:19 sfan5 pff
20:19 hoodedice PFFFT
20:19 * sfan5 meows
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20:22 * Sokomine pats sfan5 automaticly
20:22 * Sokomine puts a bowl of milk down
20:22 * sfan5 purrs
20:22 * sfan5 noms the milk
20:22 * sfan5 noms the bowl
20:22 * sfan5 curls up to Sokomine's lap
20:23 hoodedice Hai Sokomine
20:24 Sokomine hi :-)
20:24 * Sokomine continues to pat sfan5
20:24 * sfan5 meows
20:25 Sokomine hm. now i caught myshelf a cat...but what i really need is a native speaker who can help me out with random village names :-)
20:25 Calinou Creatures mod spawning is quite broken
20:25 Calinou dozens of zombies and ghosts spawned next to me at night
20:26 Sokomine spawning seems to be a problem of all mob mods to some degree or another. such odd things have been observed in all of them
20:26 hoodedice What kind of native =P?
20:26 Sokomine english
20:26 hoodedice I'm native to planet Earth
20:26 Sokomine doesn't count :-)
20:26 hoodedice hmm, not English, but let me dig some Latn roots
20:26 Calinou it depends on the spawning method, eg. Simple Mobs uses ABMs
20:26 Calinou Sokomine, never had that with mobs in Carbone
20:27 Sokomine hmm. the villages of the typ medieval might get german names...it'd make a bit of sense at least. but then most people won't understand those names at all
20:27 Calinou this one: https://forum.minetest.net/v​iewtopic.php?f=11&amp;t=9656
20:27 hoodedice Anglo-Saxon
20:27 sfan5 Calinou: yes, it's broken
20:27 Sokomine calinou: based on my experience with all mobs mods, you probably didn't let it run long enough. or with enough players
20:27 Calinou then it's an engine bug
20:28 twoelk|2 strange, can't connect to the www part of the internet anymore after all my connections collapsed
20:28 Sokomine twoelk: nameserver problem?
20:28 twoelk|2 could be
20:28 twoelk|2 oh
20:28 hoodedice Soko, my way of genning names: Tree (lignum) House (domum)
20:29 Calinou bye
20:29 hoodedice Mix and Mash: lidomum
20:29 hoodedice Bye
20:29 hoodedice So, there's your fist name, Lidomum village
20:29 Sokomine hoodedice: i'm afraid that wouldn't work. none of the houses look like they might fit into that time period
20:30 hoodedice As I see it, a few years down the lineand it would become Lidom (Lai-dum) village
20:30 Sokomine i'm rather thinking of something else. but i do need a native speaker (or someone really really good with english) in order to sort out weather those names would be plain silly or acceptable
20:30 Sokomine :-)
20:30 hoodedice Just like Londonimium became London
20:30 * sfan5 throws Jordach at Sokomine
20:30 twoelk btw there are quite a lot of fantasy name generators out there
20:30 * hoodedice throws rubenwardy at Sokomine
20:31 EvergreenTree One does not simply through a joepie91
20:31 EvergreenTree whoops
20:31 EvergreenTree *Jordach
20:31 hoodedice lel
20:31 hoodedice *throw
20:31 Sokomine yes. one of those might do as well. but i'd rather like something else
20:31 * hoodedice throws myself
20:31 * EvergreenTree roots himself
20:31 hoodedice *himself
20:31 twoelk got examples ?
20:31 EvergreenTree no one is throwing me
20:31 Sokomine rooted trees are good
20:31 * hoodedice sets EvergreenTree on fire
20:32 * Sokomine pours some water on evergreentree
20:32 EvergreenTree OW
20:32 * hoodedice chops EvergreenTree and makes paper
20:32 EvergreenTree What was that for?
20:32 twoelk tree based village names?
20:32 * EvergreenTree regenerates
20:32 Jordach sfan5, throwing me will probably kill you
20:32 EvergreenTree I am every Evergreen Tree you have ever seen
20:32 sfan5 D:
20:32 Jordach i weigh almost at 100kg
20:32 * sfan5 meows at Jordach
20:32 hoodedice To give you this letter with this drawing on it: http://i.imgur.com/etjgJ2D.jpg
20:32 * sfan5 goes to sleep
20:33 * hoodedice thinks Jordach is fat
20:33 sfan5 hoodedice: I knew it before I opened the image: dickbutt
20:33 hoodedice =D
20:33 twoelk hmm, "Pineville, Holyoaks....."
20:33 * sfan5 really goes to sleep
20:33 * EvergreenTree slaps hoodedice with a branch
20:33 * hoodedice pats sfan5
20:33 * hoodedice tucks in sfan5
20:33 Calinou EvergreenTree, https://cdn.mediacru.sh/Ms5q4iXOHyWC.jpg
20:34 hoodedice Soko, lemme pass you some 'Murican names
20:34 Jordach i wonder if EvergreenTree ever becomes a bank clerk
20:34 Jordach then his business might branch out
20:34 EvergreenTree Oh, I see you have found a MonsterTree
20:34 Sokomine sleep well :-)
20:34 EvergreenTree Lel
20:34 hoodedice Sheffield Village, Avon, Lakewood, Brighton...
20:34 * Sokomine puts sfan5 into a basket with a soft cussion
20:35 hoodedice Cleveland. With a nice Cleaveland video http://www.youtube.com/watch?​v=ysmLA5TqbIY&amp;feature=kp
20:35 Sokomine hm, lakewood sounds good. but: what's the general pattern of these?
20:35 Calinou I remade the texture of the tree monster
20:36 hoodedice Lots of old town names here: https://www.google.com/maps/place/Cleveland​,+OH/@41.4056488,-81.778816,10z/data=!4m2!3​m1!1s0x8830ef2ee3686b2d:0xed04cb55f7621842
20:36 sfan5 Sokomine: cushion*
20:37 twoelk descriptive-adjective+geographicnoun?
20:37 hoodedice That is for villages with forests near the sea
20:37 twoelk or otherway round as in "LakePlacid"
20:38 hoodedice For villages in colder climes, use finnish names
20:38 twoelk the "at" froze away?
20:38 hoodedice https://www.google.com/maps/place/37100+Nokia,+Fi​nland/@61.7415485,24.1765078,314460m/data=!3m1!1e​3!4m2!3m1!1s0x468ed16a2395ee57:0x400b551554bb940
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20:40 twoelk I want my name servers back, can't follow them links grrrrr
20:40 Sokomine hoodedice: google maps works only to a limited degree for me
20:40 hoodedice ?
20:40 sfan5 twoelk: 8.8.8.8 and 8.8.4.4
20:40 hoodedice just click the links, and wait for a bit, the names will appear, don't move it about
20:41 hoodedice oh, and, Iran, for deserts: https://www.google.com/maps/@29.3910​855,52.2583173,507494m/data=!3m1!1e3
20:42 Miner_48er sfan5 are you on linuxgaming.us or is it an impostor?
20:42 sfan5 I'm not on any server ATM
20:42 Sokomine hmm. but you're up to something...village names depending on biome might be nice. through probably a bit too much
20:43 Sokomine there seem to be a lot of impostors lately
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20:46 twoelk interesting, I can connect to the forum but not to the irc logs?
20:46 twoelk and not to google :-D
20:46 EvergreenTree the irc logs are a different site
20:48 sfan5 <sfan5>30 twoelk: 8.8.8.8 and 8.8.4.4
20:48 * twoelk knows that, still interesting
20:48 twoelk tried that
20:48 twoelk didn't work
20:51 twoelk oh well time to reboot the router
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21:20 Lugal good evening
21:20 Lugal can someone explain me these line from creatures? :physics = {
21:20 Lugal speed = 10,
21:20 Lugal jump = 10,
21:20 Lugal gravity = 10,
21:20 Lugal },
21:20 Lugal teams = {monsters = -0.4, people = 0.6, animals = 0.1},
21:21 RealBadAngel Lugal, ask Taoki bout it
21:22 Taoki Lugal: 1, not 10. They define movement speed offsets, based on movement speeds in minetest.conf
21:22 hoodedice And please use gist at github
21:24 Lugal nothing changed when I made 10 of it. they still move same speed
21:25 hoodedice "offset"
21:25 hoodedice I think it is a ratio
21:25 hoodedice 10:10:10 would still be 1:1:1
21:26 Lugal ah ok ^^
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21:26 Taoki It's a multiplier
21:27 Lugal and what are the numbers in the teams?
21:30 Taoki Lugal: How much each creature is pro or con a certain interest. The sum of all differences decides whether two creatures are enemies or friends
21:30 Taoki And to what extent
21:30 Lugal so if I replace 0.6 by 10 the will fight more often?
21:31 Lugal or -0.4 by -4
21:31 Taoki It must range between 0 and 1. And not exactly
21:31 Lugal -0.5 = 50% chance that they fight?
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21:31 Taoki If for the same interest a creature has 0.4, while another has -0.4, they will both be neutral, as it's 0.4 + -0.4
21:32 Taoki Or I think, don't remember by memory
21:32 Lugal k, thanks :)
21:32 Taoki NP. See the function in init.lua, the calculation is done there
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21:56 Lugal is Agressivity also ranging from 0 to 1?
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21:56 Lugal how to set aggressivity  and fear, to make them always fight?
21:57 Lugal and what means determination?
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23:02 Lugal I cant respawn as a human anymore. can anyone help?
23:03 Lugal only when I attack him , then I can incarnate
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