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00:13 Jordach TIL Dropbox uses the Hylian Shield for Privacy and Security
00:24 Nerotic Hey
00:27 Nerotic stuff
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00:41 WindHero Hi Zeno`
00:42 Zeno` hi HOTW
00:42 Zeno` what's new?
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00:45 WindHero failure :P
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01:37 WindHero wow, I just made 3 post reports
01:37 WindHero I rarely get even 1 before someone else reports them
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02:21 WindHero I went off the deep end
02:21 WindHero I made a dev branch
02:28 * Zeno` gasps
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02:29 WindHero_ looking at the logs
02:29 WindHero_ what a strange time to get booted
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03:15 WindHero trying something strange: overlaying and averaging two noises for caves
03:16 WindHero basing it on paramat's subterrain
03:16 WindHero trying to make the terrain wavy-er
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03:27 WindHero https://mediacru.sh/d6HGXNy-hAfG
03:28 WindHero test to determine where floors and walls are through simple code
03:52 WindHero Successful roof/floor detection: https://mediacru.sh/1fhJxBBr2h6f
03:52 WindHero with unlimited cave size
03:58 Zeno` nice!
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04:54 Megaf_ Timing O_DIRECT cached reads:   2214 MB in  2.00 seconds = 1107.06 MB/sec
04:54 Megaf_ Timing O_DIRECT disk reads: 2904 MB in  3.00 seconds = 967.70 MB/sec
04:54 Megaf_ :)
04:54 Megaf_ # hdparm -Tt --direct /dev/sda
04:55 Megaf_ little better now
04:55 Megaf_ Timing O_DIRECT cached reads:   2266 MB in  2.00 seconds = 1133.46 MB/sec
04:55 Megaf_ Timing O_DIRECT disk reads: 3186 MB in  3.00 seconds = 1061.53 MB/sec
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06:37 LemonLake If I only put a single flag in replace_builtin, will it keep the non-changed the same?
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06:51 LemonLake Ohh crap...errorless crashes have returned
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08:31 Venus_ Hey! Anyone around who knows how to install the client in order to play on Vanessas Survival Server? I need some help, please.
08:38 kaeza which OS?
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08:41 Venus_ Oh sry, I´m using windows 7 ultimate
08:42 Venus_ The problem is, that it won´t load all mods. I keep getting an error for the moreblocks mod
08:45 kaeza go to the `Minetest\bin' folder, and you'll see a file named "debug.txt" (or simply "debug"). Copy the last ~20 lines or so, paste them on http://pastie.org and post the link here
08:49 Venus_ ok, there it is: http://pastie.org/9346223
08:51 kaeza >attempt to call field 'override_item' (a nil value)
08:52 kaeza you'll need to update to latest -dev version
08:52 kaeza hold on
08:52 Venus_ sure, thank you very much :)
08:53 kaeza try this package: http://sfan5.pf-control.de/minetest-builds​/minetest/minetest-0.4.9-13517fb-win32.7z
08:53 Calinou <Venus_> Oh sry, I´m using windows 7 ultimate
08:53 Calinou seems legit ;)
08:53 Venus_ :P
08:54 Calinou <kaeza> >attempt to call field 'override_item' (a nil value)
08:54 kaeza mornings Calinou
08:54 Calinou it's called to fix lighting on some default blocks, the fallback was removed
08:55 Calinou a dev build has tons of additional features, so get one
08:55 Calinou it's not like we're in a shortage of them
08:56 Venus_ hehe, yeah, checked the github and read the thread Vanessa posted, but I could´nt sort it out by myself ;)
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08:59 kaeza aaaaanyway, /me is off -->
08:59 kaeza night :)
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09:07 Venus_ Ok, that seems to work without any problems, thanks again! :)
09:07 Calinou https://cdn.mediacru.sh/LuDBKPYa6UsU.jpg
09:07 Calinou naturally generated
09:08 Calinou https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.p​hp?f=9&amp;t=4326&amp;p=146579#p146579 → mhm, I did like 6 months ago.
09:08 Calinou (-:
09:10 Venus_ huh?
09:12 Calinou they're complaining about people quitting Minecraft for Minetest
09:16 Venus_ well, uhm, I´m kinda going to do that myself. I´m  quiet active playing minecraft, but the servers aren´t stale enough to handle all the mods I like
09:16 Venus_ stale=stable
09:21 Calinou the problem with Minecraft mods is that they break all the time
09:21 Calinou and you have to install them client-side too
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09:30 VenusMorbidae ok, back with the correct nametag now aaaaand another problem...
09:31 VenusMorbidae Mods get loaded now, so I can play if I want to, but each time I try to enlarge the window (in order to play fullscreen) the window just wents white and nothing happens. Any idea whats wrong?
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09:33 Amaz Zeno`, are you here?
09:35 Zeno` I am
09:36 Amaz I saw your work for caverealms and hdx and it looks really nice!
09:37 Zeno` Thank you. It was (and is) a collaborative effort. WindHero has done most of the code (I added some optimisations), I've done most of the textures (VannessaE fixed some and added others)
09:38 * RealBadAngel wonders if there could pop up ANY artist that would make use of bumpmaps and heightmaps...
09:38 Amaz And I was wondering if you would be able/want to add support for https://forum.minetest.net/v​iewtopic.php?f=15&amp;t=5578 to hdx...
09:39 Zeno` wow
09:39 Zeno` big mod :)
09:40 Zeno` or is it a whole game?
09:40 Amaz Whole game.
09:40 Zeno` So many textures :(
09:41 Amaz yep...
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09:42 Zeno` really good work
09:42 RealBadAngel https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ueQg18t1qyE
09:42 Amaz Not just mine, as you should be able to see! Thanks though :)
09:42 Zeno` I don't think I'm good enough to create all those textures  :(
09:42 Amaz Okay then.
09:43 RealBadAngel please do something in THIS direction
09:43 RealBadAngel you have been given tools
09:44 Zeno` what tools?
09:44 Zeno` Amaz, I can help but that is far too much for one person to do alone
09:45 Amaz Yeah...
09:45 RealBadAngel in order to nail a nail, you need a hammer
09:45 RealBadAngel hammer is here
09:45 Amaz Unfortunately, I'm away for two weeks.
09:45 RealBadAngel but you guys seems to be out of nails simply
09:45 Zeno` RBA, what tools?
09:45 Zeno` where is the hammer?
09:45 Amaz How is bumpmapping used.
09:45 Amaz ?
09:46 RealBadAngel bumpmapping and parallax occlusion is a feature that needs textures
09:46 Amaz Yep.
09:46 RealBadAngel so make them
09:46 RealBadAngel and use the fucking hammer
09:46 Zeno` where is the fucking hammer?
09:46 Amaz I understand that... But what is bumpmapping supposed to do?
09:46 Amaz +Zeno`
09:47 RealBadAngel in code? :)
09:47 RealBadAngel it just lacks of your "nails"
09:47 RealBadAngel the textures
09:47 Zeno` huh
09:47 Zeno` this is more vague than the API documentation
09:48 RealBadAngel im pretty sick folks sayin that other games do look better
09:48 Zeno` don't speak in analogies, say it straight :p
09:48 RealBadAngel while mt can look way better but tp creators just dont use the features i coded
09:49 Zeno` maybe nobody knows what those features are!
09:49 Amaz How is bumpmapping supposed to be used?
09:49 Amaz That's what I want to know...
09:49 RealBadAngel make a normal map, for default_stone.png lets say
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09:49 RealBadAngel call it default_stone_normal.png
09:49 Amaz Okay.
09:49 RealBadAngel and put it in tp
09:50 Zeno` hdx has normalmaps (for 512px) but then you look at the MT docs and it (basically) says "meh, don't worry about it"
09:50 RealBadAngel hold on a sec
09:50 RealBadAngel https://github.com/RealBadAn​gel/HavenNG/tree/master/256x
09:51 RealBadAngel give this TP a try
09:51 Amaz Okay!
09:51 RealBadAngel especially Bricks
09:51 RealBadAngel turn on bumpmapping and parallax
09:51 Zeno` fix the docs
09:52 Zeno` because the docs, as they are at the moment, elude to or suggest that normalmaps are deprecated
09:53 Amaz How big is that tp?!
09:53 RealBadAngel ok, i will take a look on that
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09:53 RealBadAngel Amaz, 40mb?
09:53 RealBadAngel circa
09:54 Amaz Wow.
09:54 RealBadAngel its not complete though
09:54 Amaz Right!
09:54 RealBadAngel its kinda proof of the concept
09:54 VanessaE hi
09:54 Amaz Okay.
09:55 RealBadAngel i dont have time to manage it
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09:55 RealBadAngel if some1 would pick it up, i would be thankful
09:55 VanessaE HDX normalmaps are not distributed with HDX because the repo would be too big for Github's declared limits.
09:55 Zeno` do even the default textures have normalmaps?
09:56 VanessaE yup
09:56 VanessaE https://github.com/VanessaE/hdx-normalmaps-512
09:56 Zeno` no, not yours VanessaE  :)
09:56 Zeno` I know yours do
09:56 VanessaE oh heh :)
09:56 VanessaE oh literally defaults. no, they do not.
09:57 Zeno` no, so in combination with the docs and the lack of them in the default game they "appear" to be deprecated
09:57 Zeno` the docs suggest that they're not needed anymore because they're "generated on the fly"
09:57 Zeno` and they look... dumb
09:58 Zeno` I agree with RBA on that point heh
09:58 RealBadAngel generating on the fly is an attempt to provide that feature while no one around cares
09:59 Zeno` RealBadAngel, I understand that
09:59 RealBadAngel and nothing generated would look so great as pre made ones
09:59 Zeno` Personally I agree with you
09:59 Zeno` I agree 100%
09:59 Zeno` but the docs suggest that there is no point in spending the time creating them
10:00 Amaz I don't see much difference between with bumpmaps and without....
10:01 Zeno` Amaz, that's because the default textures don't actually have normalmaps for the bumpmapping to work with. They look pretty much the same to me as well
10:01 Zeno` So I turned that off figuring that it does... nothing
10:02 RealBadAngel Amaz, please try to tell what can u see on this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ueQg18t1qyE
10:02 Zeno` RBA I see that video looks great. Really great.
10:02 Amaz Zeno' I was using the TP that rba linked...
10:03 RealBadAngel Amaz, please make sure you make new folder for TP with just textures in it
10:03 RealBadAngel no subfolders
10:03 Amaz Yep.
10:04 Amaz Did that.
10:04 RealBadAngel now, turn on shaders, and check bumpmapping and parallax
10:04 Amaz I can see the TP, but when I turn bumpmaps on and off, I see practaly no difference...
10:04 Zeno` there is no difference.
10:05 Zeno` I am still waiting for RBA to point me to "the fucking tools"
10:05 RealBadAngel lol
10:05 RealBadAngel that was a joke, game o words
10:05 Zeno` ;)
10:05 RealBadAngel its just a built in feature
10:05 Zeno` If there is a tool I'll use it
10:06 RealBadAngel but wait, we have to help amaz find the hammer
10:06 Amaz Yep!
10:06 RealBadAngel your OS amaz?
10:06 Amaz Derivitive of Ubuntu.
10:07 RealBadAngel ok, please delete your debug.txt
10:07 RealBadAngel and copypaste (pastebin.com for exapmle) start of your log
10:07 RealBadAngel where MT informs you about drivers used
10:08 Amaz Okay!
10:09 Amaz http://pastebin.com/tXUuPLQf
10:10 RealBadAngel nouveau, a bit slower than propertiary
10:11 RealBadAngel but should work anyway
10:11 RealBadAngel now, please make two screenshots
10:11 RealBadAngel one with disabled shaders, one with enabled
10:11 Amaz Okay. Doing that.
10:12 Amaz I see the differnce!
10:12 RealBadAngel lol, being in danger of developer action helped?
10:13 Amaz https://cdn.mediacru.sh/Ul-oPrs64i73.png
10:13 Amaz :P
10:13 Amaz That is awesome.
10:13 RealBadAngel yes, it works
10:14 RealBadAngel now walk around the bricks
10:14 Amaz I needed the two images side by side to be able to appreciate the difference.
10:14 Amaz Okay!
10:14 RealBadAngel and see them from different angles
10:14 RealBadAngel notice how the texture is changing
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10:15 Amaz Wow!
10:15 RealBadAngel this is thx to two different effects
10:16 RealBadAngel a normal map, that defines how light behaves on that surface
10:16 RealBadAngel and heightmap, stored in alpha channel
10:16 RealBadAngel the 2nd, is the parallax occlusion
10:17 RealBadAngel which uses eye ray to define what can you see
10:17 Amaz Right...
10:19 RealBadAngel now, since we do know where the hammer is
10:19 RealBadAngel lets think on how we can use it, can we? ;)
10:19 Amaz Okay!
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10:20 RealBadAngel we do have two reasonable solutions
10:20 RealBadAngel i mean those with quality effects
10:20 RealBadAngel one is gimp, with normalmap plugin
10:21 RealBadAngel but personally i find it weak
10:21 Amaz Okay. Does that come by default?
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10:21 Amaz The normalmap plugin, that is.
10:21 RealBadAngel better one is "crazybump"
10:22 RealBadAngel app for windows that makes really insane good normal maps
10:22 Amaz Would it work with wine?
10:22 RealBadAngel i tried here and failed
10:22 Amaz Okay...
10:23 RealBadAngel but you can try on your setup
10:23 Amaz Right!
10:23 RealBadAngel the above app is the only reason for me to have win partition ;)
10:23 Amaz XD
10:23 Amaz This? http://www.crazybump.com/
10:23 RealBadAngel theres also an app to recreate its functionality in linux
10:24 RealBadAngel insanebump
10:24 RealBadAngel but its not as great yet
10:24 Amaz But not as good?
10:24 Amaz Right!
10:25 RealBadAngel btw, when playin with height in crazybump
10:25 RealBadAngel best effects are achieved when using height at level 10-20
10:25 RealBadAngel but it really depends on the kind of surface
10:26 Amaz Okay.
10:26 RealBadAngel when you will pick too high level, it may deform the texture
10:27 Amaz Is there a minimum reseloution?
10:27 RealBadAngel no
10:27 RealBadAngel but i suggest using at least 128px
10:27 RealBadAngel ah, and turnin on mipmapping
10:28 Amaz Okay.
10:28 RealBadAngel you may want to check also textures filtering
10:28 Amaz Okay.
10:28 RealBadAngel those features are meant for hi-res textures
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10:28 Amaz Will it work on windows xp?
10:29 RealBadAngel crazybump?
10:29 RealBadAngel it should
10:29 Amaz Right.
10:29 Amaz I'll try it on a virtual machine when I get a moment.
10:29 RealBadAngel oh, VM
10:30 RealBadAngel i dont think so
10:30 Amaz :(
10:30 Zeno` VM is not likely to  work well
10:30 RealBadAngel its depending on GFX drivers
10:30 Amaz Sigh...
10:30 RealBadAngel and OpenGL
10:31 RealBadAngel and thats not the thing what VM is doing well
10:31 Zeno` yeah and most of the vm gfx and opengl drivers for VMs are... not good...  in my experience :(
10:34 Amaz :(
10:36 * Zeno` bursts into tears
10:36 * Amaz boots up an old laptop... Very old
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10:50 Amaz What would be the results of bumpmapping a 32px texture pack?
10:53 VanessaE bbl
10:54 Amaz ^RealBadAngel
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10:55 * Krock made an account cleanup program
10:55 * Krock deleted about 2000 unused files
10:56 Krock 4.9, 0.4.10 to be released ~July 6th
10:56 Krock yay
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10:57 PenguinDad I can't wait for 0.4.10 to get released because of the shadars
10:57 Zeno` the shaders are not in 0.4.9?
11:00 Krock shaders are there since always
11:00 PenguinDad Zeno`: because of better shadars
11:00 twoelk so this http://wiki.minetest.net/Creating_texture_packs needs a section on how to support bumpmapping and parallax occlusion
11:00 Zeno` are the new shaders #ifdef'd away?
11:02 * Zeno` looks
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11:36 Amaz RealBadAngel, might it be possible for you to make a tutorial about how to make bumpmaps in gimp please (With of without the insanebump plugin)? My attempt produced this:
11:37 Amaz https://cdn.mediacru.sh/QOXNFzsMrg7O.png
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12:04 Megaf_ Morning
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12:16 * Krock needed a sign repair tool
12:17 * Krock wrote one
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12:18 PenguinDad Krock: what sort of sign repair?
12:19 Krock PenguinDad, one to replace a "hack:sign_text_input" formspec with "field[text;;${text}]"
12:19 PenguinDad There are things still using this O_o
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12:22 Krock /giveme special:signrepair
12:29 Jordach 21 posts to 4k
12:37 Jordach -1+0
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12:39 Amaz Jordach: https://forum.minetest.net/viewto​pic.php?f=15&amp;p=146913#p146913 Spam...
12:40 Jordach done
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13:12 Megaf_ That's quite fast http://paste.debian.net/107772/
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13:19 Megaf_ Sometime I download from GitHub at 1400 KB/s and sometimes, like now, at just 90 KB/s
13:19 Megaf_ That's so slow =/
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14:11 coagen morning
14:21 sfan5 meow
14:21 sfan5 hi everyone
14:23 nore hi sfan5
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14:30 sfan5 !tell ShadowNinja https://forum.minetest.net/viewt​opic.php?f=6&amp;t=9646#p146735
14:30 MinetestBot sfan5: I'll pass that on when ShadowNinja is around
14:30 sfan5 <3 MinetestBot
14:30 MinetestBot <3 sfan5
14:32 PenguinDad !up minetest.megaf.info 30001
14:32 MinetestBot minetest.megaf.info:30001 seems to be down
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14:49 coagen hi sfan5
14:49 sfan5 hi
14:49 sfan5 did you highlight me yesterday night?
14:49 sfan5 ah noi
14:49 sfan5 -i
14:50 sfan5 it was kaeza
14:50 Jordach mew
14:50 LemonLake こんにちは, sfan5
14:51 LemonLake got mozc to work
14:51 MinetestBot GIT: Novatux commited to minetest/minetest: Fix inversion of full_punch_interval 3d6d66b 2014-07-02T16:48:11+02:00 http://git.io/YjrFTQ
14:51 daswort any body know the name of the mod that replaces certain block with other blocks if someone on the server walks by? i have some unknown objects i need replaced in an undefined area
14:51 * sfan5 gives LemonLake a 猫
14:52 LemonLake meow
14:52 sfan5 nyan
14:52 LemonLake brb, nosebleed
14:52 Jordach lelelelelelelelel
14:52 coagen http://i0.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/​original/000/009/885/nosebleed03.jpg
14:53 daswort found it: https://forum.minetest.net/v​iewtopic.php?f=11&amp;t=2777
14:53 LemonLake don't mock me please
14:53 * sfan5 meows at coagen
14:53 coagen LemonLake: I do not mock sir
14:53 * sfan5 gives coagen a ,
14:53 LemonLake its nothin crazy
14:54 LemonLake but it gave me a headache
14:54 coagen LemonLake: only hope to make you laugh, sorry if I did not :\
14:54 LemonLake nah its fine
14:54 LemonLake I meant <Jordach> lelelelelelelelel
14:54 LemonLake but sfan5: isn't that chinese?
14:55 Jordach LemonLake, i was thinking those anime moments
14:55 LemonLake nope, nevermind
14:55 sfan5 LemonLake: it's both, a Hanzi and a Kanji
14:55 LemonLake yep
14:56 LemonLake sfan5: have you ever seen クラナド?
14:56 * Jordach considers making a alternate Minetest_Game
14:56 sfan5 Jordach: you already have BFD...
14:56 sfan5 LemonLake: whats that?
14:57 LemonLake wait, lemme see the translation
14:57 LemonLake Clannad
14:57 LemonLake an anime+game
14:57 Jordach sfan5, based from, except running MGV7 :3
14:57 * sfan5 meows at Jordach
14:57 sfan5 LemonLake: never heard of it
14:57 sfan5 LemonLake: tip: http://beta.jisho.org/ is awesome
14:57 LemonLake just curious :P
14:57 LemonLake omfg
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14:57 LemonLake sfan5, that is awesome
14:58 sfan5 told 'ya
14:58 nman3600 Krock, You'll probably disagree with me but can you add a colored/stained glass mod on your server. It'll be perfect for a build i'm planning
14:59 LemonLake you wanna go light on the mods on a server like krock's, niall
14:59 LemonLake it can get laggy and will be even worse with more mods
14:59 ecutruin Jordach, make a minetest game interesting enough to entice me to do art for it. XD
14:59 coagen sfan5, LemonLake, so where' the anime MT mods btw.. heh
14:59 LemonLake are you kidding me, coagen
14:59 Jordach ecutruin, brb - installing a modified version of tanks
14:59 Krock I don't need to install a mod because a single player needs it
14:59 LemonLake hell yes
14:59 sfan5 coagen: asie made a skin mod w/ skins from touhou
14:59 LemonLake we NEED to make one
14:59 * sfan5 exports another .xm as .wav
14:59 coagen LemonLake: nope
14:59 LemonLake not sure what, tho
15:00 coagen LemonLake: I do not kid, sir
15:00 LemonLake google now knows that im into anime
15:00 nman3600 Krock, Many other people agree with me
15:00 LemonLake its giving me all kinds of stuff
15:00 * coagen googles MT+anime
15:00 * sfan5 expects his avatar in the images section
15:01 Jordach s/googles/duckduckgos/
15:01 coagen haha
15:01 * ecutruin really wants mesh nodes. >.<
15:01 Jordach ecutruin, he's working on it
15:01 daswort how do i use the inspector of world edit after enabling it?
15:01 coagen Jordach: I use ddg usually, google gives good img results tho
15:01 Jordach [00:00:00] - {Day changed to 01 July 2014} [13:41:58] <VanessaE> RBA's gonna attack mesh nodes next :) [13:42:01] <VanessaE> or so he says
15:01 Jordach [23:59:34] <Jordach> FUCKING FINALLY
15:01 Jordach ecutruin, expect me to drop the goddamn bomb when meshnodes arrive
15:01 ecutruin Or some means to convery my mesh's to the other node type (forgot name already).. either way that lets me use my voxel art to make nodes.
15:02 sfan5 Jordach: I don't think you can fuck words...
15:02 Jordach ecutruin, nodeboxes :P
15:02 ecutruin Thats it.
15:02 * coagen found dokucraft
15:02 ecutruin I don't want to make nodeboxes with the nodebox editor.. I want to use my tools. xD
15:02 LemonLake anyway, now im gonna watch more clannad
15:02 Jordach ecutruin, ikr
15:03 Jordach i made several nodeboxes with blender
15:03 Jordach however, it's tedious
15:03 * Krock ignores server.minetest.net and goes to freeminer.org main site and gets the implenting codes
15:03 ecutruin Well I do my art with Quibicle, letting me essentially do pixel art in 3D.. which is a much nicer workflow for model making of this type.
15:03 Krock *implementing
15:04 Amaz A nodebox I made :) https://cdn.mediacru.sh/B_CtAivHn2Qk.png
15:04 SylvieLorxu Oh, FreeMiner has a nice-looking homepage...
15:04 Jordach wat tha fack is that Amaz
15:04 sfan5 Krock: it's the same as for servers.minetest.net
15:05 coagen sfan5: I know a girl who alwasy had a response for the american phrase: "fucking A!" which can be used to express various emotions, her retort is always: "Why not fuck a B it has two holes!"
15:05 Amaz A tomb, like you see in cathedrals...
15:05 Krock sfan5, yeah. but that one is about_blank - like
15:05 ecutruin Amaz, stuff I've made via quibicle - https://www.dropbox.com/sh/c​xi9vzdzmk6ywpa/6NDGwDrWBl#/
15:05 Krock *about:blank
15:05 sfan5 coagen: lol
15:05 ecutruin Each of those are 10-15 minute tests.
15:05 Amaz Nice.
15:06 ecutruin I haven't had a serious project I've wanted to do art for since Ender Storage..
15:06 sfan5 Krock: freeminer just limits to number of server to 10(?) which does not include the server that breaks the javascript
15:06 coagen sfan5: so I don't know about words, but letters certianly have holes that can be fucked... :|
15:07 Krock sfan5, yeah. I noticed, when I change it too high, then it reproduces servers.minetest.net
15:07 Krock any bugfix coming?
15:07 proller дщд
15:07 proller lol
15:07 proller maybe fix servers^
15:07 proller ?\
15:07 Krock huh?
15:07 sfan5 Krock: xyz hosts the serverlist, we can't change the DNS atm
15:07 sfan5 proller: wtf
15:07 sfan5 that won't helpo
15:07 sfan5 -o
15:08 proller somebody brokes something 3 days ago
15:08 sfan5 someone can change servers to send garbage
15:08 proller wat
15:08 sfan5 and that garbage goes through the checks in the perl script YOU wrote
15:08 proller 1. its not garbage
15:08 proller 2. broken by SN
15:08 sfan5 (in this case: garbage = gameid & version attr. missing)
15:08 sfan5 SN??
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15:09 proller yes
15:09 sfan5 whats that?
15:09 proller ShadowNinja,
15:09 Krock Something New
15:09 sfan5 lolwut
15:09 Krock xD
15:09 sfan5 there is not a single line of code written by ShadowNinja running on the master server
15:09 proller think more
15:09 sfan5 servers.minetest.net still uses the perl one
15:09 proller yet more
15:09 sfan5 enlighten me
15:10 proller its not perl problem
15:10 proller no
15:10 sfan5 this is not what I said
15:10 proller try find problem in 5 days 8)
15:11 sfan5 you're not being helpfuk
15:11 proller you want host serverlist, its good challenge
15:11 sfan5 helpful*
15:11 coagen I could help host
15:11 coagen I got 999megs of BW
15:11 coagen :|
15:12 Krock seems like MT serverlist needs a re-do
15:12 * sfan5 facepalm hard
15:12 * Krock hears a glass splitting
15:12 sfan5 Krock: did you see the PR with the python serverlist?
15:12 sfan5 that was actually integrated
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15:12 Krock oh
15:13 coagen what is the problem with the script? I will rewrirte it in bash :P
15:13 ecutruin So yeah, Jordach, you need to come up with something amazing that I will want to do art for. ^-~
15:14 Krock coagen, not bash. use batch.
15:14 Jordach ecutruin, i've already made a list of things hated in MC
15:14 Jordach Zombies spawning more zombies
15:14 sfan5 coagen: there is no problem anymore, servers.minetest.net just still uses the old thing
15:14 proller instead of doing shomething new useful MT people just broke already working things
15:14 ecutruin No way.. zombies spawning more zombies is epic! xD
15:14 Jordach ecutruin, even on easy, they get annoying quickly
15:14 ecutruin MC really needs more of a challenge at least.. removing that means you should definitely add challenge somewhere else.
15:14 sfan5 proller: nobody could read that perl stuff
15:15 coagen Krock: I write scripts in bash that parse 12m-13m Lines of log files, as well as other scripts that parse ~300K php files for malicious code... so I like bash
15:15 proller but it works year+ without problem
15:15 Jordach ecutruin, don't worry; i can invent brand new mobs :P
15:15 coagen sfan5: ah ok
15:15 sfan5 coagen: you can't (reliably) parse PHP for malicious things
15:15 proller yes, broken python thing better than working perl
15:16 Jordach stfu
15:16 sfan5 what's broken with the new serverlist?
15:16 sfan5 !deop joepie91
15:16 sfan5 wtf Jordach
15:16 Krock o.o
15:16 proller http://servers.minetest.net/ broken 3 days
15:16 Jordach i'm tired of this freeminer is better shit
15:16 coagen sfan5: well you can parse for the basics, I have yet to add advanced features, but my code detects base64 evals, and other fun stuff
15:16 sfan5 proller: it's not using the python version, it still uses the perl thing
15:16 SylvieLorxu lol, people still tab-complete too quickly
15:17 SylvieLorxu Also: Hi joepie91, you here too? :P
15:17 Jordach SylvieLorxu, quassels is based on how often that nick speaks
15:17 proller sfan5, * its broken *
15:17 Jordach proller, you're broken
15:17 sfan5 proller: servers.minetest.net DOES NOT EVEN run the python SL
15:17 SylvieLorxu Jordach: I should set WeeChat to sort that on last message
15:17 Krock <Jordach>i'm tired of this freeminer is better shit
15:17 Krock yup
15:17 ecutruin I have some really crazy ideas for a MC/MT style game.. but I just.. need a lot of things not available in MT.. and coding it in MC doesn't appeal to me much. >.<
15:18 * sfan5 meows at ecutruin
15:18 Krock both games are good
15:18 * ecutruin mews back.
15:18 Jordach ecutruin, i understand your pain
15:18 Jordach it's either forge or gtfo sadly
15:18 Jordach (because they'll bitch about it not working with forge)
15:18 ecutruin Forge doesn't bother me.. after all, I can talk to all of the forge developers whenever I want.
15:18 ecutruin And most of the major mod developers as well. >.>
15:18 * sfan5 meows at ecutruin
15:19 sfan5 coagen: btw: did you get Atom to work?
15:19 coagen sfan5: atom-editor-git aur build installed, but didnt fire it up yet, i'll do that now!
15:19 ecutruin I am worried a bit from what I've seen in terms of direct for custom node drawtypes though.   I love what I've seen with the framed glass thing being worked on.. but hardcoding all the draw types seems very restrictive.
15:20 sfan5 ecutruin: lua is too slow for doing rendering
15:20 ecutruin I know.
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15:20 ecutruin I'm not sure of a good solution, mind you.. but it still worries me. ^-^;
15:20 sfan5 have fun inventing a language that compiles into assembler
15:20 Jordach meshnodes are basically the solution here
15:20 * ecutruin has worked with x86 assembler before. ^-^;
15:21 ecutruin Then again, that was probably 10 years or so ago in college.
15:21 sfan5 ecutruin: we need arm and mips too
15:21 ecutruin Bleh.
15:21 ecutruin I just want to make pretty art.
15:21 Jordach lemme reload
15:21 coagen sfan5: looks great! I will use this for some projects
15:22 ecutruin But modifying the core engine for each new drawtype I need.. doesn't seem very good, as it forces a new client install for things that may only be useful to specific game types.
15:22 sfan5 coagen: I recommend you to use the seti & the monokai theme
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15:22 coagen sfan5: going to try that now!
15:23 Jordach there
15:23 * ecutruin shrugs though.
15:23 Jordach tl;dr, dropbox isn't working right
15:23 sfan5 coagen: if you want the overview thing on the right, it's called "minimap"
15:23 Jordach i'm uploading at 40MB/S
15:23 sfan5 coagen: ...and my font is "Envy Code R"
15:23 coagen sfan5: yes!, finding it
15:24 ecutruin I honestly don't see a good solution either, sfan5, yeah.  Just means I have to either dig into C++ (uhg) or wait for the current devs to do the stuff I need to make what I want. ^-^;
15:25 Jordach ecutruin, patience is a good thing here :3
15:25 ecutruin Oh, I have tons of patiene. ^-^
15:25 ecutruin patience*
15:25 coagen sfan5: oh this has solarized! nice :D
15:25 ecutruin I am easily able to do nothing for large amounts of time! ^-~
15:25 * ecutruin laughs.
15:25 * sfan5 purrs at ecutruin
15:26 Jordach i do that daily
15:26 sfan5 TIL Jordach purrs daily
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15:29 * ecutruin mews and laughs.
15:31 * Jordach engages the fans
15:31 Jordach it's rendering time
15:31 * sfan5 gives Jordach a kitten
15:31 sfan5 to keep you busy while rendering
15:33 Jordach frame 2 of 720
15:34 Jordach however, it's segmented in 1/8 frame segments
15:34 Jordach !c 720/8
15:34 MinetestBot 90
15:34 Jordach 1/6 *
15:34 sfan5 !c 720/8.0
15:34 MinetestBot 90.0
15:35 Jordach !c 720/6
15:35 MinetestBot 120
15:35 Jordach more like lit
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15:35 Jordach (i can't type)
15:35 nman3600 Krock, Can i have the link to the NEWEST Mini map page on your server?
15:36 Calinou hi
15:36 nman3600 Hi
15:36 Calinou Krock, in a shop I saw “Fish & Crock” food.
15:37 markv Hello peoplest
15:37 nman3600 Hey markv
15:38 markv hello there nman3600
15:38 nman3600 Krock, Hello?
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15:45 Jordach pssh
15:45 Jordach 120 frames = 6 hours
15:46 Jordach TIL i need an Intel XEON
15:46 Calinou Xeons aren't any faster than desktop CPUs, Jordach: to see large gains, you'd need at least 2 Xeons, which is 3 times more expensive than a single CPU.
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15:47 coagen actually
15:47 coagen I bought a xeon 3.4 ghz to replace an i7 920 for $245 on ebay
15:47 coagen the end of last year
15:48 Jordach tl;dr i need a render farm
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15:55 ecutruin lol
15:56 ecutruin I need... somethng I want to make art for. O.o;
15:56 Calinou ecutruin, Minetest!
15:56 Calinou (-:
15:57 ecutruin Calinou, none of the MT mods really interest me (no offense).  Unfortunately, I've been spoiled by MC mods. ^-^;
15:57 ecutruin And I've grown bored of most of the MC mods even. ^-^;
15:58 coagen ecutruin: have you tried the Lord of the Test game?
15:58 ecutruin coagen, haven't even seen it.  Got a link?  I haven't seen everything in MT.. but quite a bit.. and nothing that has caught my attention completely as of yet.
15:59 coagen ecutruin: https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=5578
16:00 Calinou https://forum.minetest.net/v​iewtopic.php?f=11&amp;t=9662 → improved Soccer mod
16:01 Calinou ecutruin, design high-resolution textures, models, sounds, OpenGameArt may enjoy your contribution
16:01 Calinou http://opengameart.org
16:01 Calinou (or just publish some freely licensed stuff from eg. another game; you can do that too)
16:01 ecutruin I don't care for high-resolution textures.. they don't really add much to the game to me really.
16:01 Calinou this has nothing to do with Minetest 8)
16:01 Calinou or even Minecraft
16:01 Calinou doing pixel art is also useful, to a lesser extent
16:02 Calinou but high-resolution stuff is of greater use to most people there
16:02 ecutruin As for Lord of the Test, coagen, I'm sorry, but I really don't like the style of what I see in the screenshots.
16:03 coagen ecutruin: groovy, its not for everyone I think ;)
16:03 ecutruin I do pixel, voxel, and some vector art.  I've started to learn some Blender and animation with Jordach's help, but that's slow going due to work and time.  Generally don't do higher quality art as its just not my thing. ^-^
16:04 Calinou I do both, heh
16:04 * sfan5 puts a kitten on coagen's head
16:04 * coagen just realized his arch mirrorlist was fucked and thats why he wasn't getting updates for few days
16:05 * coagen attempts to maintain composure while kitten digs claws into scakp
16:05 coagen *scalp
16:05 coagen OW!
16:06 Krock nman3600, latest post on the server topic ||| Calinou, yeah. food have crazy names :P
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16:07 * coagen removes kitten and places a "no kittens" hat on
16:07 coagen sfan5: my cat scraches me whenever I pet her :| very annoying
16:08 sfan5 give it to me!!!!
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16:08 coagen lol
16:09 * coagen places a large grey dirty looking but affectionately scratching cat onto sfan5's head
16:09 * sfan5 purrs
16:09 * PenguinDad doesn't have a cat
16:10 * LemonLake 's cat has to be put down soon
16:10 coagen she does look dirty, but she's not, her fur is just mottled in a strange way
16:10 coagen LemonLake: :\ sorry
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16:12 Jordach Frame 15, sigh
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16:12 Jordach dis gun b a while
16:19 sfan5 >gun
16:19 sfan5 omg
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16:26 LemonLake omg i might finish clannad today
16:26 LemonLake then i have to watch clannad after story
16:27 Calinou clannad? story?
16:28 LemonLake 'clannad: after story'
16:28 LemonLake they're both animes
16:28 Calinou PenguinDad, https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/1433 → I read your comments in Fluttershy's voice :<
16:28 Calinou the power of avatars
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16:28 john_minetest hello everyynop
16:29 PenguinDad Rofl
16:29 john_minetest My new computer needs so long to compile...
16:29 john_minetest lol
16:30 PenguinDad john_minetest: gentoo user problems :P
16:30 john_minetest 0m45.747s for minetest on my old one
16:30 john_minetest wait, the old one still compiles... although i've started it earlier
16:31 john_minetest 2m46.791s on my new one
16:31 Calinou my “16x16 "blank/transparent" texture, pure white and pure black textures” issue on GitHub was totally deleted
16:31 Calinou it's 404 when I click on the notification
16:31 Calinou https://github.com/celeron55/minetest/issues/179 → 404
16:31 markv Know any good games?
16:32 markv For linux
16:32 markv FPSes
16:32 LemonLake steam
16:32 LemonLake windows
16:32 coagen Serious Sam 3
16:32 Calinou neither Steam nor Windows are games
16:32 Calinou markv, Tesseract: http://tesseract.gg
16:32 Calinou hey, how about we play that OpenArena game you promised me? ;)
16:32 markv Looks nice
16:32 Calinou like, 1.75 year ago :P
16:33 coagen openarena is fun
16:33 john_minetest Okay, it is KINDA obvious, that my "old", quadcore i7-4770 CPU @ 3.40GHz desktop PC is faster than my "new", dualcore i7-4600U @ 2.1 GHz ;)
16:33 coagen used to play it ocassionally
16:33 markv :)
16:33 Calinou john_minetest, it's a low power dual core
16:33 john_minetest And the other one is a high-power desktop quadcore :D
16:33 Calinou programs will behave nicely (low power CPUs are fine for lightweight stuff), but the heavy ones will all be slow
16:34 coagen john_minetest: 2 < 4
16:34 markv Hmm Tesseract
16:34 markv Not realistic enough
16:34 john_minetest Well, it is an i7 of the newest generation. It should be fast enough
16:34 Calinou john_minetest, hey, marketing 101: low-end CPUs are “low power”, high-end CPUs are “high performance” (-:
16:34 markv I liked Shadow of Chernobyl
16:34 john_minetest markv: There are no realistic shooters aviable for linux
16:34 Calinou markv, http://etlegacy. com → for more realism
16:34 Calinou it's not a simulator though ;)
16:34 markv Not true
16:35 Calinou http://etlegacy.coù
16:35 Calinou http://etlegacy.com
16:35 john_minetest Calinou: I was just joking because I compared my 3-month-old desktop PC to my 2-days-old Laptop. :D
16:35 coagen markv: have you played "Metro: Last Light"?
16:36 Calinou ehm
16:36 markv Nope
16:36 markv But I'll try
16:36 * Calinou wouldn't
16:36 markv Fucking bingo
16:36 coagen markv: I don't usually play fps games, but I liked what I've played so far, at least 4-6 hrs in or so
16:36 markv I love you
16:36 coagen Calinou: didn like it?
16:36 Calinou this is what you would say to your wallet
16:37 markv Is it the russian type?
16:37 coagen markv: yes
16:37 Calinou coagen, proprietary, paid, potentially DRM'd crap.
16:37 markv Good
16:37 ecutruin I want a game like Fallout 3.. without all the bugs and awkwardness.
16:37 Calinou oh, their GNU/Linux port also has limited graphic settings too.
16:37 ecutruin Unfortunately, I doubt that'll ever happen. xD
16:37 markv Will I have to torrent it?
16:37 Calinou (while playable, it means the developers have poor practices)
16:37 coagen Calinou: meh, I wanted a game that was russian, so I put it on russian audio and eng subs and played it like that, was fun :)
16:38 * markv can't find the site
16:38 Calinou Freeminer is pretty much russian :P
16:38 coagen Calinou: sorry I play steam games and give them my money, I feel ashamed sometimes :P
16:38 Calinou try to give them less money
16:38 markv 5gb...
16:39 markv 4 days
16:39 Calinou viva el AAA games
16:39 Calinou free gaming wins on the hardware requirements, hugely
16:39 coagen wow
16:40 coagen i'm going to have to blackhole those canadian bastards
16:40 Calinou markv, TItanfall is capable of eating more than 25 GB, something like 40 GB I think
16:40 markv Wait wut?
16:40 Calinou oh, it also uses 10 year old engine, yet is sold 60 € on consoles
16:40 Calinou (-:
16:41 coagen just got a heavy hit on a webserver
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16:41 * coagen looks to see who it was, bets on canada
16:41 Calinou at #fsf, we're talking about web servers right now, heh
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16:42 coagen what is #fsf?
16:42 coagen free software foundation?
16:42 Calinou yes, pretty much
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16:44 coagen 162.210.196.97 - - [02/Jul/2014:12:37:22 -0400] "GET /robots.txt HTTP/1.0" 200 59 "-" "Mozilla/5.0 (compatible; MJ12bot/v1.4.5; http://www.majestic12.co.uk/bot.php?+)"
16:44 coagen what is this
16:51 coagen it wasn't canadians
16:52 coagen but I did have some agressively hitting a wp site a couple months ago
16:52 Calinou install Limit Login Attempts
16:52 Calinou quite important :)
16:52 coagen good idea, I wonder if I can do a force install of that pkg to sites
16:53 coagen without editing the db userpass and logging in and doing it myself, etc...
16:53 Calinou why? :P
16:55 coagen got a lot of sites I would like to get it installed on
16:55 coagen hah
16:55 coagen Calinou: I do have some bruteforce protection already, but I think more never hurts, haha
16:56 * markv gets shadow of chernobyl
16:57 markv 4 hours
16:57 coagen markv: steam?
16:57 markv yeah
16:58 Calinou you can't pay with maptools:copper_coin
16:58 Calinou :(
17:00 coagen markv: http://store.steampowered.com/app/297120/
17:00 coagen looks different...
17:01 coagen I think I might have to get a copy of that
17:02 Calinou if you're into FPS with ugly lighting, try AssaultCube
17:02 coagen haha
17:03 markv AssaultCube is dreadful
17:03 Calinou learn to play it
17:04 coagen its fast, I'll give yo uthat
17:04 coagen but why not just play quake 1, dm6
17:05 coagen Calinou: I assume you've played xonotic?
17:06 Calinou yes
17:06 Calinou <coagen> but why not just play quake 1, dm6
17:06 Calinou paid, proprietary too
17:06 coagen ok fine
17:06 Calinou copyright lasts more than 18 years in our society :(
17:06 coagen see this list
17:06 coagen https://www.foresightlinux.se​/person-shooter-games-linux/
17:07 Calinou I learned about that particular distribution because it has a Minetest package
17:07 Calinou was put on minetest.net
17:07 markv Calinou, Lets play nexuiz
17:07 * PenguinDad likes Red Eclipse
17:07 * markv plays portal
17:07 Calinou dead game
17:08 * sfan5 meows at Calinou
17:08 Calinou unmaintained, latest stable release contains bugs (white water without reflections), worse than Xonotic overall
17:08 Calinou you can play Xonotic with Nexuiz physics and balanced
17:08 Calinou "exec physics252.cfg; exec balance252.cfg" I think
17:09 coagen markv: xonotic is nexuiz
17:09 coagen sort of
17:09 markv I know
17:09 markv I have nexuiz though
17:09 markv Only played the tutorial but I have it
17:09 PenguinDad I saw nexuiz in a shop once
17:10 SylvieLorxu PenguinDad: Old Nexuiz, not the new crap one
17:10 coagen also, if that list wasn't long enough, wikipedia has it: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_​of_freeware_first-person_shooters
17:10 SylvieLorxu Some people bought the name to make a quite different game
17:10 * markv is usually happy with half life 2
17:11 markv I'll se if I can get the linux version
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17:11 PenguinDad SylvieLorxu: I know that the new one is crap
17:11 coagen wow, they actually updated assault cube last year
17:12 coagen wonder with what
17:12 * coagen goes to find changelog
17:13 coagen Did anyone play "Black Mesa"?
17:13 coagen I never got around to it... but I downloaded the awesome soundtrack
17:13 markv I did
17:13 coagen http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki​/Black_Mesa_%28video_game%29
17:13 markv Well
17:13 markv I played Half Life 1
17:13 coagen markv: thoughts on it?
17:14 coagen :\
17:14 coagen thats not black mesa then
17:14 markv It's quite hard but it is awesome
17:14 markv PRactically the same
17:14 markv Half Life 1 copied Black mesa
17:14 markv Or vice versa
17:14 coagen black mesa was released sept 14, 2012
17:14 * markv extracts 8,000 files
17:15 markv Okay fuck it I actually hate portal
17:15 coagen hey, I just realized something
17:15 coagen if I have portal/portal 2 does that mean I can play black mesa
17:15 markv coagen, What?
17:15 coagen hrm
17:15 markv Erm
17:15 markv yes
17:16 markv You can play Half-Life 2
17:16 coagen cool!
17:16 coagen I dont have hl2
17:16 markv Maybe not Black Mesa
17:16 coagen :|
17:16 markv hl2.exe
17:16 john_minetest Metro: Last Light is cool. Saw the let's play
17:16 markv hl.exe if you have it
17:16 john_minetest And halflife is nice, too.
17:16 markv Both Portal 1 and 2 use the Half-Life 2 (Source) Rendering engine
17:16 coagen black mesa uses the source version included with Orange box
17:16 john_minetest I am not really playing valve games though.
17:16 john_minetest Except for portal 2
17:17 coagen markv: I'm going to check on that, and maybe play Black Mesa tonight :D
17:17 markv I'm still downloading stuffs
17:18 markv 6.7GB
17:18 markv HL2 for linux
17:18 markv If i have to resize my partition again I will cry
17:18 markv I need an SSD
17:19 coagen SSD's are smaller :|
17:19 markv 2.8GB read speed :P
17:20 markv */sec
17:20 markv http://www.span.com/product/OCZ-PCI-Ex​press-Z-Drive-R4-RM88-ZD4RM88-FH-3-2T-​PCI-Express-v2-x8-SSD-3-2TB-SSD~34399
17:20 markv Shit just saw the price
17:20 coagen thats a pci express one tho
17:20 coagen :|
17:20 sfan5 2800 MB != 2.8 GB
17:20 coagen they are often incompatible with linux :|
17:20 coagen afaik
17:21 markv ..
17:21 markv SATA is compatible though
17:21 markv It uses SATA, right?
17:21 sfan5 markv: can't you read?
17:21 sfan5 it says PCI-E
17:21 Jordach http://imgur.com/gallery/IP4pNdu
17:22 sfan5 SATA can't even transfer 2.8GB/S
17:22 markv I don't want that one
17:22 sfan5 s/S/s/
17:22 * coagen places a kitten on sfan5's head
17:22 * sfan5 meows at the kitten on his head
17:23 sfan5 https://mediacru.sh/WJWiU8ZaoWRe
17:23 coagen what is this digital madness
17:23 * coagen jams
17:23 sfan5 chiptunes <3
17:23 coagen sweet
17:24 sfan5 aka the result of:
17:24 sfan5 !tw https://twitter.com/sfan55​/status/484344677257469952
17:24 MinetestBot http://keygenmusic.org/ <3 (@sfan55)
17:25 coagen haha
17:26 coagen keygen music is the best
17:26 sfan5 it resulted in 207 MB of FLACs
17:26 LemonLake ^
17:27 LemonLake damn sfan ninja
17:27 sfan5 :D
17:27 coagen http://keygenjukebox.com/
17:27 coagen hrm
17:28 ShadowNinja sfan5: I'm surprised only that it took so long to break the server list.  The JS does some checks and escaping, but it assumes that the server data is reasonably sane.  In fact XSS is probably possible corrently, in ways I won't describe here.
17:28 sfan5 ShadowNinja: nope, I searched for XSS and did not find any
17:29 ShadowNinja I told xyz to drop the domain.
17:29 ShadowNinja sfan5: /query
17:29 sfan5 ShadowNinja: the perl things just does not check everything
17:29 sfan5 coagen: in case you care: http://sprunge.us/Bcef
17:30 coagen sfan5: I do, but this is a list, not files I can download listen to :|
17:30 sfan5 coagen: my upload speed is 25 KB/s.. if you have time...
17:31 sfan5 lemme zip them
17:31 coagen markv, Calinou: this is interesting: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superhot
17:31 LemonLake i love that game
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17:32 PenguinDad sfan5: that's my download speed!
17:32 coagen sfan5: groovy man
17:32 * sfan5 hugs PenguinDad
17:32 sfan5 coagen: how about opus audio codec instead of flac?
17:32 sfan5 opus sounds like the original even at 75 kbit/s
17:32 sfan5 sample: <the mediacrush link I posted>
17:33 coagen sfan5: sure
17:33 sfan5 k
17:33 coagen sfan5: how do I play opus? will mplayer play that?
17:33 sfan5 if you have a recent ffmpeg it will support opus playback without any additonal libs
17:33 coagen groovy
17:33 sfan5 tip: mpv is better than mplayer
17:34 coagen hrm cool
17:35 whiskers75 wut part
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17:35 * whiskers75 meows at sfan5
17:35 * sfan5 meows at whiskers75
17:36 coagen sfan5: mpv git-7084e80 rdy to go
17:36 coagen LemonLake: you've played Superhot?
17:36 LemonLake hours and hours on end of it
17:37 LemonLake its addictive
17:37 LemonLake finding different ways to do the levels
17:37 LemonLake fascinating concept
17:37 coagen LemonLake: looks very interesting, I will try it
17:38 ShadowNinja sfan5: Also, MinetestBot: fail on !tell. (highmon++)
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17:39 sfan5 ShadowNinja: it breaks frequently :(
17:40 * coagen sticks to release versions for now :|
17:40 sfan5 coagen: release of mpv? the latest git is perfectly stable
17:40 ShadowNinja (And issue fixed)
17:40 MinetestBot ShadowNinja: 07-02 19:30 UTC <sfan5> https://forum.minetest.net/viewt​opic.php?f=6&amp;t=9646#p146735
17:40 Calinou <markv> Both Portal 1 and 2 use the Half-Life 2 (Source) Rendering engine
17:40 ShadowNinja Ohai.
17:40 Calinou these are full game engines, both loosely based on Quake, not just rendering engines
17:41 sfan5 ShadowNinja: it randomly breaks, when I reload the module it works.. hrm...
17:43 ShadowNinja sfan5: Feel free to add those rewordings to the SL now.
17:43 sfan5 ok
17:43 asl ShadowNinja: will the chainsaw be fix any time soon?
17:44 sfan5 coagen: got the url?
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17:44 ShadowNinja asl: Maybe.  If anything it should get more nodes though.
17:45 coagen sfan5: yes!, thx
17:52 coagen In response to learning about Facebook involvement  in a psychology experiment that manipulated the news feeds of 700,000 users without their knowledge: http://soylentnews.org/commen​ts.pl?sid=2652&amp;cid=61971
17:57 john_minetest That's old news
17:57 john_minetest About 1 week
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18:06 JMiahMan Hello All
18:06 sfan5 hello
18:07 JMiahMan Hello sfan5 are you still working on minetest-next?
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18:07 sfan5 yes
18:08 JMiahMan are there mobs currently?
18:08 sfan5 no
18:08 JMiahMan if I was a add a mobs mod would that screw things up?
18:09 coagen john_minetest: the comment was amusing to me...
18:09 sfan5 no
18:09 JMiahMan Good, thanks
18:11 john_minetest coagen: I listen to the radio. So I am always up-to-date :P
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18:30 Calinou coagen, viva el facebook
18:34 jp Viva la Revolucion
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18:38 john_minetest Vive les pommes de terre.
18:38 john_minetest And it should be "Revolution"
18:38 john_minetest "révolution"
18:39 john_minetest And "el facebook" sounds spanish. Me gusta.
18:40 jp Ah toi aussi t'es français...
18:40 Calinou non, il ne l'est pas ;)
18:40 Calinou il est allemand je crois
18:40 jp Ah, ok.
18:40 Calinou john_minetest, you're German, right?
18:42 hummeleBop salut jp :p
18:43 jp Salut hummeleBop
18:43 hummeleBop y'a #minetest-fr pour des conversations en français
18:43 jp Les Français se réveillent parmi les anglophones :p
18:43 jp Oui je sais, merci.
18:43 john_minetest Calinou: yep
18:44 john_minetest Je suis d'allemagne mais a l'ecole j' (past form of avoir) le francais.
18:44 john_minetest avait?
18:45 jp J'avais*
18:45 john_minetest Hah.
18:45 john_minetest No french for 4 years.
18:45 john_minetest :P
18:46 jp There are alot of germans on MT.
18:46 Calinou a lot*
18:46 jp Thx
18:52 LemonLake One more episode, then there's some work to do, then the next series
18:55 Megaf__ !up minetest.megaf.info 30001
18:55 MinetestBot minetest.megaf.info:30001 seems to be down
18:55 Megaf__ when will that be fixed? =/
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18:59 Megaf__ jp; yep, 40% of players on my server are Germans
18:59 Megaf__ 40% from USA
18:59 LemonLake that's quite the statistic
18:59 LemonLake is that just an estimate or do you have some sort of geoip?
18:59 Megaf__ and the rest from crazy countries and latin america
18:59 Megaf__ LemonLake; I asked them
18:59 PenguinDad Megaf__: minetest.megaf.info seems to have dns problems
19:00 jp The portuguese too, they are quite representated here.
19:01 PenguinDad "21:00:16: ERROR[main]: Couldn't resolve address: Der Name oder der Dienst ist nicht bekannt"
19:02 Megaf__ try 30003
19:03 PenguinDad Megaf__: how does a different port solve dns problems?
19:04 Megaf__ my server on 30001 is down, Im updating it
19:04 Megaf__ PenguinDad; 177.18.182.124 30003
19:04 Megaf__ !up 177.18.182.124 30003
19:04 MinetestBot 177.18.182.124:30003 is up (228ms)
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19:05 Megaf__ PenguinDad; 177.18.182.124 30003
19:06 JMiahMan mine is theloveoflinux.com:30000
19:06 PenguinDad http://a.pomf.se/mrspsz.png eye killing beaches :D
19:07 Megaf__ I removed my Wisdom tooth today
19:07 Megaf__ on the left side
19:08 Megaf__ what a terrible feeling i have now
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19:10 JMiahMan Megaf__: on any pain killer?
19:10 PenguinDad I love how stable debian is >:(
19:11 JMiahMan PenguinDad: I role with Fedora, no issues here
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19:12 Calinou buildaworld.net wants to download a .swf file. “wow, great graphics” was my reaction
19:14 * JMiahMan is debating on what's for lunch..
19:14 jp This project looks very nice, Calinou.
19:14 JMiahMan Hey I noticed there's all these Windows builds for things, why isn't there any linux builds or rpms?
19:15 LemonLake because nobody likes us so we have to compile ourselves
19:15 LemonLake it also saves time for the devs having to compile per-distro
19:15 Calinou jp, Terasology has similar, if not better graphics
19:15 LemonLake with windows, its just 'get this windows copy'
19:16 LemonLake since they mostly all work the same
19:16 Calinou http://terasology.org/ and https://github.com/movingblocks/terasology
19:16 JMiahMan well technically you could do static binary builds for Linux
19:16 Calinou Java, free/libre
19:16 jp Calinou : Terasology have probably a larger devs-team than MT, right ?
19:16 Calinou no real gameplay for now, but has great graphics, but is slow
19:16 Calinou smaller, probably
19:17 jp ?!
19:17 Calinou mostly 2 or 3 devs
19:17 Calinou but they have shader pros for sure, like we have RealBadAngel here :D
19:17 JMiahMan I bet those binaries would be huge though
19:18 Calinou JMiahMan, what's wrong with building yourself?
19:18 jp We really need welcome shader pros, so...
19:18 Calinou it's not like it's complicated
19:18 Calinou jp, the progress we could do is reflective/refractive water, entity shadows
19:18 JMiahMan Have you built minetest-next
19:19 JMiahMan Because I am lazy and I would rather have it all in one package :P
19:19 PenguinDad JMiahMan: you don't have to build minetest_next
19:19 JMiahMan ie. a deb or in my case a RPM
19:20 JMiahMan PenguinDad: yes from my understanding you have to build the latest git pull of minetest
19:20 jp Calinou : btw, terasology & buildaworld are modding-modulable as MT ?
19:21 JMiahMan It would be nice if they were just packaged together so you don't have to worry about grabbing a non working version of get as it should be a moving target
19:21 JMiahMan * git
19:22 Megaf__ [16:10:50] <PenguinDad> I love how stable debian is >:(
19:22 Megaf__ me too, it never crashes, I keep it running for months without a single reboot or even X restart
19:22 Megaf__ [16:10:39] <JMiahMan> Megaf__: on any pain killer?
19:23 Megaf__ They are not working really well
19:23 PenguinDad copy pasting things into minetest crashes my terminal
19:23 JMiahMan Megaf__: sorry to hear that
19:23 jp debian-stable packages are covered with dust...
19:23 Megaf__ it was really hard to get my tooth away
19:23 Calinou jp, Terasology is a bit moddable
19:23 Calinou they have an IRC channel, #terasology
19:23 Megaf__ he had to remove lots of bone and separate the ooth in 3 parts
19:23 Calinou mods are done in Java too, but I'm not sure
19:23 Megaf__ [16:23:11] <PenguinDad> copy pasting things into minetest crashes my terminal
19:23 Calinou there's at least some kind of module system, it isn't entirely monolithic :D
19:24 Calinou <JMiahMan> Have you built minetest-next
19:24 Megaf__ Not Debian-'s fault, but minetest fault
19:24 Calinou nope, I'm the Carbone developer ;)
19:24 Calinou easy to download a game; you don't have to compile it
19:24 Calinou eg. you get Minetest Git, compile it, download Carbone, put it in the “games” directory, run the game, switch to Carbone with the green C button in the games list and you're done.
19:26 JMiahMan Calinou: I'm debating or weather or not to make an rpm. When I install a game I install it on 4 Fedora boxes, so I just build rpms and go from there. I'm using F20 and F19 and have a build server for such tasks. I just don't want to spend a ton of time hunting things down making sure the git pull hasn't been broken in some way etc..
19:26 JMiahMan Just trying to decide if it's worth it, I am already running a minetest server
19:27 Calinou I think it'll be sunny tomorrow.
19:27 Calinou you talked about weather ;)
19:27 Calinou JMiahMan, write something like my one-line script that you pass around
19:27 Calinou (but for Fedora)
19:27 JMiahMan wrong weather
19:28 JMiahMan to build an RPM? Or to just compile?
19:29 JMiahMan speaking or weather it should be 109 today, and tomorrow 108 so it will be sunny
19:30 Calinou 108°C tomorrow here.
19:31 Calinou Celsius vs Fahrenheit :p
19:31 JMiahMan you mean 39
19:31 Calinou not 39°C here, thankfully
19:32 Calinou 18°C morning, 27°C afternoon, 27°C evening, 19°C night
19:32 Calinou sunny all day
19:32 Calinou almost no wind
19:32 JMiahMan Nice
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19:40 Megaf__ my mouth is like a basket ball
19:40 coagen PenguinDad, JMiahMan archlinux has four diff versions of minetest in the package manager
19:40 hoodedice ohoy, 0.4.10 out by 6 July
19:40 hoodedice ?
19:40 coagen hoodedice: July 16 afaik
19:40 Megaf__ !up 177.18.182.124 30001
19:40 MinetestBot 177.18.182.124:30001 is up (229ms)
19:40 Megaf__ ^ PenguinDad
19:41 PenguinDad hoodedice: o/
19:41 hoodedice lon time no see PenguinDad
19:41 hoodedice \o
19:41 JMiahMan coagen: what 4 versions?
19:42 coagen JMiahMan: would be nice to have MT versions in other distros, I think its a great idea to do build RPM
19:42 JMiahMan coagen: Fedora has Minetest by default, that's how I found it. I did a search for minecraft and it came up :P
19:43 coagen JMiahMan: community/minetest + 3 aur versions: aur/minetest-classic aur/minetest-git aur/minetest-git-leveldb, and there are actually more that I would not count as seperate versions, but they differ slightly
19:44 JMiahMan classic doesn't differ slightly, it differs a lot :P
19:44 JMiahMan That's my next server I'm bringing up is a minetest-classic server
19:45 coagen JMiahMan: hah! ok sounds good, then my advice is if you want to use mods like Carbone and Minetest_Next you'll need the git or dev version, but otherwise the release version 0.4.9 should work fine
19:46 JMiahMan I'll just grab and build a rpm for git based off the fedora src rpm
19:47 JMiahMan What's the best mob mod? I'm running simple mobs (I think it's called) on my current server is there anything better?
19:48 coagen JMiahMan: cant say I like the mob mods I've tried, but I like the mobs in the "Lord of the Test" game
19:49 JMiahMan Lord of the Test? Okay I'll look that up
19:50 coagen JMiahMan: https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=5578
19:51 JMiahMan Already there
19:51 JMiahMan There seems to be only one screenshot of a mob, looks cool though
19:52 JMiahMan https://github.com/Amaz1/L​ord-of-the-Test/wiki/Mobs
19:52 coagen JMiahMan: there are lots of mobs!
19:53 JMiahMan Wow these are great I wonder how the AI is
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19:57 kaeza evenings
20:05 JMiahMan huh it has horses
20:07 john_minetest cya
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20:13 coagen JMiahMan: awesome! glad you like it
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20:23 sfan5 PenguinDad: y no https://mediacru.sh ?
20:23 * kaeza pets sfan5
20:23 * sfan5 purrs
20:23 LemonLake +sfan5
20:24 jp https://mediacru.sh/fi3l-rOI0Ecx
20:24 LemonLake fancy
20:26 PenguinDad sfan5: just for you https://cdn.mediacru.sh/mJsgml_c5hYT.png
20:26 LemonLake fancy
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20:37 coagen just a curiosity, why do so many here seem to use mediacru.sh? instead of imgur or other services
20:38 LemonLake thats what i thoughtg
20:38 LemonLake but apparently they all have flaws
20:38 LemonLake + are commonly blocked by kids parental controls
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20:39 coagen ah
20:41 LemonLake japanese singing is so hot
20:41 coagen hmm, imgur is hosted in Cali, as well as mediacru.sh
20:42 kaeza <coagen> just a curiosity, why do so many here seem to use mediacru.sh? instead of imgur or other services
20:42 coagen LemonLake: jpop your top?
20:42 kaeza just the usual (silly) argument: "imgur is closed source hurr durr"
20:43 LemonLake not a fan of that sort of stuff
20:43 coagen Cumulatively, over the lifetime of MediaCrush, the operating profit is $-2664.26.
20:43 coagen wow
20:43 coagen https://blog.mediacru.sh/2014/04/01/Transp​arency-reports-and-a-million-visitors.html
20:44 coagen is mediacru.sh open source or something?
20:44 coagen kaeza: ?
20:44 kaeza https://mediacru.sh/docs/
20:44 LemonLake first gigf is anime
20:44 LemonLake i fuckin love it
20:45 LemonLake omg i think i know her
20:45 coagen https://blog.mediacru.sh/2013/11/21/​How-we-open-sourced-our-startup.html I think I found it...
20:45 kaeza coagen, https://github.com/MediaCrush/MediaCrush
20:45 coagen kaeza: thx!
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20:45 coagen Our servers and our dev machines both run Arch Linux
20:45 coagen awesome
20:46 coagen ok, well I'm sold on it now
20:46 coagen haha
20:46 LemonLake wait
20:46 LemonLake she looks like kyou!
20:46 LemonLake is that kyou?
20:46 LemonLake that's the anime im corrently watching :P
20:47 LemonLake https://mediacru.sh/suvAyqUZjNZg someone confirm this is kyou?
20:47 LemonLake https://mediacru.sh/htNd4ZEN3nAa that's her...identical
20:47 LemonLake mediacrush owner is a clannad fan <3
20:48 coagen LemonLake: not the expert here, but looks pretty damn similiar
20:48 LemonLake im watching that anime right now, thats how i knew it was kyou :P
20:49 LemonLake just started After Story (season 2 of it)
20:49 coagen wow they're running a tor relay and .onion site too... jeez these guys are awesome
20:55 coagen one thing I'm not quite certian on is, once upon a time, imgur used to be just for hosting and not browsing, but then went to a browsing mode that added commenting as well... wonder if mediacru.sh will do this...
20:55 LemonLake idk
20:55 LemonLake thats what i like about imgur
20:55 LemonLake its fun
20:58 nore https://github.com/ethic-rush/cust​om/blob/master/chatcommand.lua#L8 <-- dangerous code ahead!
20:59 coagen huh, just saw this video about tesseract, that is wicked: http://www.gamingonlinux.com/articles/​tesseract-a-brand-new-open-source-fps-​derived-from-cube-2-sauerbraten.3683
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21:05 coagen nore: os.execute("sudo restart mt")?
21:06 coagen nore: are you running minetest as root??? :\
21:06 nore not me
21:06 nore the one running this server
21:06 nore that's why I said that code is dangerous
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21:06 coagen nore: only if the user can sudo without password
21:06 nore well, if he needed a password
21:07 LemonLake it'd be in the code, right?
21:07 nore then the command wouldn't work
21:07 nore and then, it would be useless
21:07 nore but that means that for example, if WE is installed
21:07 Megaf Hi everyone, I need some help with nodeeditor. https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.ph​p?f=14&amp;t=2840&amp;p=147003#p147003
21:08 coagen nore: interesting code though, I wonder what other uses for os.execute could be useful....
21:08 nore users with enough privileges can do things like os.execute("sudo rm -rf --no-preserve-root /")
21:08 kaeza it could also block the server indefinitely
21:08 kaeza because os.execute *waits* until sudo exits
21:08 nore well, anyway, that code is way too dangerous
21:08 LemonLake +kaeza
21:08 coagen nore: you could os.execute ip route blackhole chinaip/8 hehe
21:09 LemonLake welcome to the world of lazy server admins
21:09 nore it looks like the admin can't use ssh
21:09 nore or even simpler, as VanessaE does:
21:09 nore restart the server automatically
21:09 nore and then, just use /shutdown...
21:10 coagen forums just poop on iteself?
21:10 LemonLake ^
21:10 kaeza O_o
21:10 coagen im getting 502
21:10 kaeza ^
21:10 LemonLake ^
21:10 kaeza ^_^
21:11 LemonLake ._____. /
21:11 coagen someone must have done (os.execute("sudo rm -rf --no-preserve-root /")
21:11 LemonLake sounds like my kind of command
21:11 kaeza --no-preserve-root is useless
21:11 kaeza just use /* :3
21:12 * coagen nods
21:12 coagen I'm not the only one getting 502 right?
21:13 LemonLake nein
21:13 LemonLake いいえ
21:16 jp https://forum.minetest.net/
21:16 jp WTF ?
21:17 coagen jp: something broke...
21:20 Megaf jp: thats what they get for using nginx
21:20 Megaf =/
21:21 Megaf I see that a lot on a lot of nginx servers
21:21 coagen hah
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21:26 jordan4ibanez 502 bad gateway for forum?
21:26 EvergreenTree yep
21:27 kaeza c55 is already informed
21:27 EvergreenTree c55 looks like a "1337" speek version of css
21:27 EvergreenTree :P
21:29 LemonLake https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=klUfRsd20gE
21:29 LemonLake so beautiful
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21:30 coagen so
21:30 Exio \o/ hi
21:31 coagen today servers.minetest.net and forums.minetest.net go down.. :|
21:32 coagen hi Exio
21:32 coagen could these two things connected...
21:35 coagen looks to be a dns issue for forums.minetest.net
21:35 MinetestBot GIT: Sapier at GMX dot net commited to minetest/minetest: Fix memory leaks in GenericCAO, ShaderSource and Player classes b8343cd 2014-07-02T23:33:18+02:00 http://git.io/bhApMw
21:43 jp Probably a hack ?
21:44 coagen jp: can't say yet, but the A record for forums.minetest.net is defiently missing...
21:45 coagen so maybe a problem with the DNS at afraid.org... :\
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22:01 LemonLake is jordan4ibanez on a phone connection?
22:01 LemonLake it would explain the constant reconnections
22:01 jordan4ibanez Crashing
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22:28 LemonLake wtf
22:28 LemonLake is there a blackout or something
22:31 kaeza forums are back \o/
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22:46 WindHero looking at the irc logs...
22:46 WindHero it appears that the forums were down too earlier?
22:47 LemonLake はい
22:48 WindHero also, any idea why kaeza isn't marked as a moderator on the forum? :/
22:49 kaeza ninja skills
22:49 Exio he is a CIA agent
22:49 kaeza <.<
22:49 WindHero ah, I see
22:49 WindHero actually, no I don't. :P
22:49 jordan4ibanez It works
22:50 kaeza I can change my title :P
22:50 jordan4ibanez It's a christmas miracle
22:51 kaeza WindHero, I'm still here tho' https://forum.minetest.net/mem​berlist.php?mode=group&amp;g=9
22:51 WindHero ah, that's good to know :)
23:03 LemonLake the suspense murders
23:03 LemonLake but i really must sleep
23:07 LemonLake さようなら!
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23:42 WindHero Success! https://mediacru.sh/eI12bPywBO68
23:43 WindHero current gen time: 100-150 ms
23:43 WindHero wonder how much it'll jump when I add biomes...
23:43 jordan4ibanez Can the antialiasing be adjusted?
23:47 WindHero hmm
23:47 WindHero yeah, sorry, I was using a small window size
23:47 WindHero I'll snap a more detailed pic
23:49 WindHero uploadin now
23:51 jordan4ibanez No I meant in the settings conf
23:51 jordan4ibanez That is pretty cool though
23:52 WindHero https://mediacru.sh/Lof8CGCZom-e
23:52 WindHero oh
23:52 WindHero good question, would have to look in minetest.conf.example
23:52 WindHero that has EVERYTHING
23:56 jordan4ibanez Lol you can ban yourself in singleplayer
23:58 WindHero unfortunately, yes
23:58 WindHero to get back in, you have to edit the world files...

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