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00:02 Megaf so, suggestions for the pixel mod?
00:02 Megaf I made 8x8x8 textures
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00:31 crazyR_ is there away to prevent esc from closing a formspec?
00:36 WindHero assigning something other than close to Esc xD
00:36 WindHero just kidding, in reality, not that I know
00:37 Zeno` ah WindHero, we meet at last
00:37 WindHero heya
00:37 Zeno` how's things?
00:37 WindHero yeah, sorry about that, been rather busy
00:37 WindHero good
00:38 Zeno` so have I, so it's all cool :)
00:38 WindHero yo?
00:38 WindHero *you
00:38 WindHero that's good
00:38 Zeno` yeah not bad. Busy, tried, cranky (i.e. normal)
00:38 WindHero lol
00:40 Zeno` Your realm brought my server to its knees the other night
00:40 WindHero D:
00:40 WindHero oh no
00:40 WindHero how?
00:42 Zeno` well, with default chunk size that loop is 80*(80+80*80*2) iterations. So... yeah :)
00:42 WindHero I've been meaning to ask paramat if there's a way around that...
00:43 Zeno` Yeah I had a quick look last night and was wondering if it was worth putting the noise check/loop on the outside, but I dunno really
00:43 WindHero that wouldn't work
00:43 WindHero it needs the noise at that 3D location
00:44 Zeno` nah, not "normally", but maybe... just maybe.. there is a way (I'll look again later and expand the equations)
00:45 Exio4 how do i see what achivs i can get in carbone?
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01:22 Megaf yay, I just got some silver tape
01:23 Megaf if something can't be fxed with silver tape it can't be fixed at all
01:24 Megaf silver tape == duct tape
01:24 Megaf !title http://gizmodo.com/5447738/bear-attack​s-plane-pilot-fixes-plane-with-duct-ta​pe-pilot-flies-duct-taped-plane-home
01:24 MinetestBot Megaf: Bear Attacks Plane, Pilot Fixes Plane With Duct Tape, Pilot Flies Duct-Taped Plane Home
01:26 WindHero I made a wallet out of duct tape a couple times...
01:28 Megaf WindHero; not like this http://kashe.pbworks.com/f/138​8369816/duct-tape-wallet1.jpg
01:28 Megaf http://kashe.pbworks.com/w/page​/72100268/Duct%20Tape%20Wallet
01:28 WindHero nope, like that.
01:28 Megaf !title
01:28 MinetestBot Megaf: BBT [licensed for non-commercial use only] / Duct Tape Wallet
01:28 WindHero I never said I didn't use directions xD
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01:58 Piggybear87 ctcp version Piggybear87
01:58 Piggybear87 Question.
02:00 Piggybear87 I have Lubuntu 14.04, but I have to start in recovery so it says Ubuntu 3.13.0.29-generic. Does that mean I need a different Minetest build than the one for 14.04?
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02:10 Zeno` Did WindHero leave? :(
02:11 Zeno` just as I gave him a 300% speed increase in caverealms. Oh well... will push to my git heh
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03:20 VanessaE Piggybear87: 3.13.0.39 refers to the kernel.  you can ignore that for now.
03:21 VanessaE er .29
03:22 Piggybear87 Ok, thank you.
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04:20 Zeno` Hi Vanessa, best pal and buddy
04:20 blaise lmao
04:20 Zeno` lol
04:20 Zeno` I don't want anything. honestly :3
04:20 blaise sure sure..
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09:37 john_minetest hei
09:40 Jordach ohaider
09:42 Eater4 Hi
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10:03 john_minetest http://i.imgur.com/l3uIhBX.png
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10:22 SamuraiAlba Morning!
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11:56 tomislav Hi
11:57 tomislav Is there minetest bundle with mods?
12:04 VanessaE a bundle?
12:04 VanessaE can you be more specific as to what you're looking for?
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12:08 tomislav Hi VanessaE, nice to meet you :), I was looking for moded mintest so I don't have to download and install mods
12:08 tomislav but if it doesn't exist it is not problem for me to install them , of course
12:09 VanessaE well there are many sub-games available
12:10 VanessaE any game out there for minetest is really just a well-coordinated collection of mods
12:10 VanessaE but generally that's just how you do it - get the engine, a sub-game or two, and then if you need them, a few mods
12:10 tomislav Ok, thanks :)
12:11 tomislav Thanks, it was nice to meet you, hope to see you someday again
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12:20 Krock Hi.
12:23 VanessaE hi
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12:37 ecutruin Heyo
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12:56 BlockMen VanessaE, "any game out there for minetest is really just a well-coordinated collection of mods". IMO that is not the idea of games for minetest, for that you could use a modpack aswell. games are supposed to give a platform for new playing mechanics, aims, etc...
12:57 LemonLake Hey all, what did you think of the progress on Ace of Picks?
12:57 VanessaE BlockMen: I know, but from the standpoint of the code, that's really all a game is
12:57 LemonLake I'm thinking of bringing it back.
12:57 VanessaE most of the time, you can delete components of a game by deleting the mods the game is made up of.
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13:00 Amaz Lemon
13:00 LemonLake Yes?
13:00 Amaz LemonLake, That would be great!
13:00 LemonLake :D
13:00 LemonLake Glad to see people still actually care about it
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13:00 Amaz Why are the backspace and enter keys are so close together D:
13:00 Amaz Did you ever release it?
13:01 LemonLake Not yet, it's still in development.
13:01 VanessaE BlockMen: and besides, I was trying to keep the explanation simple for him.  Don't confuse a noob right out of the gate if you can avoid it.
13:01 Amaz I thought so...
13:01 LemonLake There's still quite a bit to add.
13:01 Amaz It looks awesome!
13:01 LemonLake :D
13:02 BlockMen VanessaE, saying that to a noob is same as "games are actually useless"
13:03 VanessaE ...
13:04 VanessaE um, in this case the noob wanted mods, I told him to get a game..
13:04 Amaz I think that VanessaE's description of games is quite accurate...
13:04 VanessaE how is that saying games are useless?
13:05 LemonLake Is there a working alternative to hamachi for linux?
13:05 VanessaE don't use hamachi.
13:05 LemonLake I don't. It sucks.
13:06 VanessaE people will laugh at you, puppies will die, and it'll rain all day.
13:06 LemonLake Problem is, I don't have access to our router.
13:06 LemonLake I use Evolve when on Windows but I'm on Linux here.
13:06 Amaz What is hamachi?
13:06 LemonLake Something that sucks.
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13:06 Amaz Right!
13:07 LemonLake Basically, it's an alternative to portforwarding.
13:07 Amaz VanessaE: Would you be willing to add support for the Lord of the Test game to HDX? ( https://forum.minetest.net/vi​ewtopic.php?f=15&t=5578)
13:07 Amaz Okay.
13:07 LemonLake It allows people to join in a group and have individual IPs, usually starting with 5.*
13:07 LemonLake Then it acts as a LAN connection.
13:08 LemonLake Problem is, it never works.
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13:08 Amaz That seems to be a big problem!
13:09 LemonLake I'll just have to test with nman when he's home from school.
13:09 VanessaE Amaz: depends on what exactly is needed; HDX doesn't support any kinds of MOBs or player skins/models/armor, and if there's anything in there that needs commercial artwork from the Lord of the Rings franchise, that's gonna be a problem.
13:09 LemonLake Which means 1.5 hours of playing with myself. Hurrah.
13:09 BlockMen because your description downgrades a game. games define the whole stuff a world, saying that its just a collection of mods is somewhat wrong, beside that all is done in lua to use the api of minetest.
13:10 BlockMen games are suppoed to define and form the worlds, not to be a bunch of funny mods
13:10 LemonLake 7.3mb, is that an alright size for a game?
13:11 LemonLake And before you ask, its a proper game, not a modpack
13:11 LemonLake the only 'mods' in it are itemdrop, firearmslib and wieldview
13:11 Jordach LemonLake, BFD weighs in at ~23
13:11 LemonLake So I'm fine, then
13:11 Amaz VanessaE, I didn't think that skins could be done in a texture pack... That's news to me! But I don't think that there are any images that need to be takes from commercial art.
13:11 Jordach only because of teh jukebox
13:11 LemonLake Ah
13:11 LemonLake Well I may have to add a few more sounds anyway so...
13:12 VanessaE oh the skins can be done
13:12 LemonLake but all 49 sounds in ace_of_picks equal 499.7kb
13:12 VanessaE I just didn't bother to do them
13:12 VanessaE too difficult
13:12 LemonLake maybe kdirstat will show me whats using all the mbs
13:12 * Amaz hates skins... So difficult.
13:12 BlockMen VanessaE like to define everything with texturepacks, e.g. torches
13:12 Jordach Amaz, lies and hax
13:13 Amaz xP
13:13 LemonLake models are 1.7mb, textures are 1.5mb
13:13 VanessaE skins are easy.  HD skins are hard.  GOOD HD skins are REALLY hard.
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13:14 Amaz Okay.
13:14 LemonLake im using the .x, so the blends can go
13:14 LemonLake 5.7mb :D
13:15 LemonLake 2.8mb, geez git uses a lot of space
13:15 VanessaE don't use .x
13:15 VanessaE use .b3d or obj or so
13:15 LemonLake well thats what 3darmor uses
13:15 VanessaE whatever is smallest
13:15 LemonLake this model is fine
13:15 LemonLake its quite small
13:16 VanessaE .x is bloated compared to the other formats
13:16 LemonLake but it works so im fine with it
13:16 VanessaE ok
13:16 LemonLake its only 377.5kb, its out of the way
13:16 LemonLake the space-hog in this project is the textures, of which there are 62
13:17 LemonLake and ui_form_bg is the biggest one, so ill rid that
13:18 Amaz So, do you think it would be possible, VanessaE?
13:18 LemonLake awesome, aop is now just 1.6mb
13:19 VanessaE Amaz: possible, perhaps.
13:19 Amaz How did you get it so small?
13:19 VanessaE but I'd need a lot of help
13:19 Amaz Okay.
13:19 LemonLake Amaz: Me?
13:19 asl when image are properly optimize, the file size can be reduce up to 80% smaller when compare to unoptimize images
13:19 Amaz LL, Yep.
13:19 LemonLake Well, git was using 3mb, there was a 1.3mb texture that wasnt even used and there were two .blend files that could just be annhialated
13:20 Amaz Okay!
13:20 LemonLake Next I need to check everything works, I'm gonna move the hotbar and the healthbar then I'll start working on the additional team spawnpoints
13:21 Amaz Is that as a zip?
13:21 LemonLake After that I can give the player blocks, add supply drops and the game should be ready for testing release
13:21 LemonLake That's as a raw folder.
13:21 Amaz Or just the files by themselves?
13:21 Amaz Right...
13:22 LemonLake Now I'm thinking of adding a river in the middle of the map generator, too
13:22 LemonLake So I'll have to work out how rivers are generated
13:23 LemonLake Possibly the best way is to have a 1d perlin noise, -1 to 1, and 0 is the center of the map. the other numbers are just offset, and the river will be a set width
13:23 Amaz So will the map be the same every time?
13:23 LemonLake Yep, and at the end of the game it just resets to the stored schematic.
13:24 LemonLake I could probably add a flag to allow different maps every time, though.
13:24 LemonLake Right now the schematic is just for faster loading.
13:24 Krock LemonLake, 2d perlin is needed, at least
13:24 LemonLake So I can have dynamic river width?
13:24 Krock yes
13:24 LemonLake I like it, thanks for the suggestion.
13:24 * Krock points at noisetest
13:25 * Krock used the biome noise to make rives
13:25 Krock *rivers
13:25 LemonLake it doesn't have to be too fancy, the map is only 240x240
13:25 Krock It's WTFPL, so feel free to copy, LemonLake
13:25 LemonLake but thanks :D
13:25 Krock ok
13:29 Krock aagh. a 7-times-in-a-row-poster!
13:29 LemonLake oops
13:30 LemonLake i accidentally opened 23 instances of steam
13:30 Krock happens
13:30 LemonLake specifically the friends list
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13:41 Jordach LemonLake, you suck ;3
13:42 LemonLake What did I do?
13:42 Jordach [14:30:08] <LemonLake> i accidentally opened 23 instances of steam
13:42 LemonLake ah
13:42 LemonLake I didn't know folderview was singleclick to open with no visual response D:
13:42 john_minetest lol
13:42 Jordach LemonLake, this is how i roll https://cdn.mediacru.sh/LD0EHdKQp2rP.png
13:43 LemonLake I roll without guns.
13:43 LemonLake Also, your Dryad is being attacked.
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13:43 LemonLake Unless that's a pet.
13:44 Jordach pets :3
13:44 Jordach you didn't see the eater's bone then
13:44 LemonLake I just did.
13:46 john_minetest Jordach: This is how _I_ roll: https://cdn.mediacru.sh/BSJnaW5osWaU.png
13:47 Krock This is how I toll: https://forum.minetest.net/viewto​pic.php?f=3&amp;p=146192#p146192
13:47 Krock #postabove
13:47 john_minetest And I got cruise mode ______o===o>_______|''''''
13:47 john_minetest <john_minetest>I made a minetest logo for the "hipster swag yolo edition for mac" once
13:47 john_minetest lol
13:48 Krock ^- my signature
13:48 twoelk strange, I just found out the last version of Minetest that had working sound for me seems to be  minetest-0.4.9-8b02a01 from 2014-04-15. Did I miss some new setting?
13:49 Krock maybe.I have sound
13:50 twoelk not in the versions I have. (some days old) will get the latest
13:50 Amaz Lots of users! https://cdn.mediacru.sh/U3kDnfb-sMxN.png
13:50 Krock twoelk, maybe something corrupted while compiling. try an other build
13:51 Krock Amaz, look at max. online users at once
13:52 Amaz Yep.
13:52 Amaz But that is for a singlethread!
13:52 Krock oh.
13:52 twoelk I did try three  newer sfan builds and yours from the 17th June
13:53 Amaz https://cdn.mediacru.sh/DHGuL9c7Y0h1.png ,<-- For screenshot thread!
13:53 Krock twoelk, how about yesterdays?
13:53 Krock Amaz, doesn't it count per forum?
13:53 twoelk am downloading :-)
13:53 Krock k.
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13:54 Amaz Maybe :/
13:59 LemonLake Since when was I on the forum?
14:00 LemonLake Also, FF is a big game. AMost of the soudntracks are +4 hrs
14:00 Krock FireFox?
14:00 Krock :P
14:01 LemonLake final fantasy
14:01 LemonLake XII is 5 hours
14:04 LemonLake If a game is WTFPL, but the licenses inside it are not, does that affect the games actual license?
14:05 Krock every mod keeps it license
14:05 Krock *its
14:05 LemonLake okay
14:06 * Krock completed his simple-doubleclick-building-​script-for-unmotivated-times
14:07 Krock btw, twoelk, is it working now or what's the state?
14:07 sfan5 meow
14:07 sfan5 hi everyone
14:07 LemonLake mew
14:07 LemonLake hiyaa
14:07 Krock meow, sfan5
14:09 * sfan5 punches Krock
14:09 LemonLake uw0t
14:09 * Krock licks sfan5's face
14:09 sfan5 I had to punch someone because of this https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php​?f=11&amp;t=628&amp;view=unread#p146165
14:10 Krock already headdesked cause of this
14:10 LemonLake what is the issue here, im not seeing it
14:10 twoelk krock, sorry had a - er - customer of sorts - will be fiddling it into my system in a moment
14:10 Krock oh okay
14:12 sfan5 LemonLake: stupid questions
14:12 LemonLake oh, it pointed me to the wrong post
14:12 LemonLake oh my god that is headdeskworthy
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14:13 Krock has a too high resolution        ^
14:13 LemonLake no, it just sent me to the first unread
14:14 * sfan5 meows at PilzAdam
14:15 LemonLake Okay, enough wasting time. Let's add rivers.
14:16 * john_minetest gives sfan5 a <'(((((--<
14:16 asl !seen Phvli
14:16 MinetestBot asl: Sorry, I haven't seen phvli around.
14:16 * sfan5 noms the fish
14:16 sfan5 <3 MinetestBot
14:16 MinetestBot <3 sfan5
14:17 * LemonLake suddenly gets a pounding headache
14:18 * Krock rolleyes. Headdesk causes such things.
14:19 LemonLake I need to work out how to make the land around the river meet the riverbed
14:20 LemonLake Any ideas? How did you do it, Krock?
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14:21 Krock LemonLake, I multiplied the noise-values, when they are lower than 0.1 and higher than -0.1
14:22 Krock line 134
14:22 LemonLake hmm
14:22 * Jordach should stop eating so much Indian Spice
14:22 LemonLake I see
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14:23 LemonLake There's a smoothing function in some mapgens, how does it work?
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14:23 MinetestBot GIT: maciej.kasatkin@o2.pl commited to minetest/minetest: Add setting for tooltips show delay. 09ba047 2014-06-25T16:23:05+02:00 http://git.io/gsDhtw
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14:23 Krock smoothing? isn't that just p-noise?
14:24 LemonLake For example, https://github.com/Novatux/​mg/blob/master/init.lua#L79
14:24 Krock looks like brainfk
14:25 LemonLake mhmm
14:25 LemonLake I was thinking that it might be useful to have a layer of grass directly aside the water level, and then smooth it out
14:26 * Krock throws math.random at LemonLake
14:26 twoelk Krock, could it be that the "builtin" folder is missing in your 140624 build?
14:26 LemonLake Actually, the MC worldedit also has a smoothing function
14:26 LemonLake I could have a look at how that does it
14:27 Krock twoelk, uh. how did that happen? :3
14:27 Krock repuloading
14:27 asl !up minetest.org 30011
14:28 MinetestBot minetest.org:30011 seems to be down
14:28 LemonLake Oh hey
14:28 LemonLake I was just reading a post on the forums, went to a stackoverflow page and it was linking to said post
14:28 LemonLake lol
14:28 Jordach wait what
14:29 Jordach link or didn't happen
14:29 LemonLake http://gamedev.stackexchange.com/q​uestions/50387/where-and-how-to-sm​ooth-a-voxel-based-terrain-surface
14:29 LemonLake Second link on top answer.
14:29 Jordach lel
14:30 Jordach Amaz,  Processing 0% 1 minute remaining.
14:31 LemonLake Alternatively I could have a '3d river'
14:31 Amaz Hm?
14:31 LemonLake where the river height is  one below ground height and I'll add back flowing water
14:31 LemonLake that would be so much easier and look more natural
14:32 LemonLake yes yes, I'll do that
14:32 * Jordach broke another servo in the mechanical replacement
14:32 Krock twoelk, re-uploaded fixed ZIP at same URL
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14:35 Amaz <Jordach> Amaz,  Processing 0% 1 minute remaining.  What do you mean?
14:36 Jordach Amaz, you'll find out in 10 minutes
14:36 Jordach or the next 60 seconds
14:36 Jordach or 120
14:36 Amaz Okay...
14:36 * Amaz wants to know!
14:36 Jordach inb4 the windows file transfer programmer made a cock up programming transcoding for YouTube
14:37 LemonLake http://pastie.org/9323114 My progress. So proud.
14:37 Jordach it's doing the same thing, 3000 minutes, 60 seconds, 3 minutes
14:37 LemonLake Jordach, if its still at 0% then YT is busy with other videos, yours will start in a few years
14:38 Krock LemonLake, omg. too cody
14:38 Jordach LemonLake, currently in need of new heavy duty servos because i shouldn't compress my weight on it (esp, while free running)
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14:40 twoelk nope, client running but no sound. I used the defaults, so is sound now dissabled by default?
14:41 LemonLake What is the perlin generator in range of? 0 to 1?
14:41 Krock LemonLake, -1 and 1
14:41 LemonLake Perfect.
14:41 Krock twoelk, enabled by default. maybe is your sound driver broken - try to turn on your sound-boxes
14:41 twoelk Lemonlake: have you looked at the rinvers in paramat's watershed mod?
14:41 LemonLake No, I have not
14:42 LemonLake but I'm onto something here
14:42 Krock right. paramat made a rivers mod too
14:42 twoelk my setup cannot be brocken because  Minetest builts pior to 15th of april all work out of the box
14:43 twoelk I have some 20 Minetest versions installed side by side
14:43 Krock twoelk, hmm interesting. are they all using the same OpenAL32.dll?
14:43 LemonLake Okay, this 5-line code should generate a river-like line of water in the middle of the map
14:44 twoelk will look
14:44 LemonLake If it does not, I might scream at a cow or something.
14:44 Krock lol
14:44 Krock better scream at a hungry, sleepy dog.
14:45 Krock LemonLake ^
14:45 LemonLake hmm
14:45 LemonLake that may be my dog
14:45 LemonLake but I would never scream at him
14:46 Krock don't do it with your dog. it already knows and (maybe) likes you
14:46 PenguinDad LemonLake: better scream at something than a cow
14:46 LemonLake What about a pidgeon?
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14:47 LemonLake Omg that pidgeon just shat itself i scared it so much
14:47 LemonLake rofl
14:47 PenguinDad plol
14:47 Krock "GOMG WHAT THE FU HELL HAPPND HEAR?", answer: "moo?"
14:48 * Krock likes ponies
14:48 LemonLake Right.
14:48 LemonLake groundLevel can't be used because the world doesn't exist yet.
14:48 * PenguinDad puts Rarity on Krock's head
14:49 * Krock puts a cow-flat on PenguinDad.
14:49 LemonLake I guess I could use a 2d array to store the top levels of the map.
14:51 Krock use pseudo arrays
14:51 Jordach Amaz,
14:51 Jordach https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RsO_PX-CfHA
14:52 Jordach what i'm using there runs on Mono and WINE (i've done that personally)
14:52 LemonLake Did you make that, Jordach?
14:53 Amaz Okay.
14:53 Amaz What is it you're using?
14:53 Amaz Looks a lot easier than gimp!
14:53 Jordach https://code.google.com/p/mcskin3d/
14:53 LemonLake Mcskin3d
14:54 Amaz Okay.
14:54 Krock oh. MC. nice one anyway
14:54 twoelk Krock, it always seems to be the same version of OpenAL32.dll version 6.14.357.24 of some 106 kb, same as in sfan's build from June-23, which does not work, and from April-15 which does work. (and also the same as for mt-0.4.8 and mt-0.4.7)
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14:54 Jordach still works for Minetest (and is an open source tool - what could be better)
14:54 Amaz Great!
14:54 LemonLake https://cdn.mediacru.sh/aiaEJMJ5RSJw.png
14:55 Krock twoelk, that's weird. I expected a change there. If it's not OpenAl, then it must be a new "feature" in minetest which causes those problems
14:55 LemonLake Hmm, grass generates on top of it. Gotta fix that.
14:55 LemonLake The water flows though, wish shows that it updates unlike I thought.
14:56 LemonLake Trees do too. That's a problem.
14:56 Krock twoelk, I can not help you further. But you could try to ask that in the dev channel. Possibly, they can help you
14:57 LemonLake My best guess is to, instead of a for loop after creation of the rest of the world, instead check if the z = the offset desired
14:57 LemonLake and generate it in the main chunk
14:57 Amaz Google code isn't very easy to navigate...
14:58 Amaz How can I download it?!
14:58 * Krock can't find a download link, too.
14:58 twoelk It's strange no one reported that befor, or I just have a wierd setup on this machine, no wait it didn't work on other machines as well, hmm
14:58 Jordach http://alteredsoftworks.com/mcsk​in3d/v1_4/mcskin3d_1_4_2_255.zip
14:59 Amaz Thanks!
14:59 LemonLake or svn checkout http://mcskin3d.googlecode.com/svn/trunk/ mcskin3d-read-only
14:59 Krock twoelk, well I can't reproduce your problem. And you already checked minetest.conf for possible enable_sound=false ?
14:59 twoelk so not pc related, happens in different builds by different people and older builds work. yep sounds like a bug
15:00 Krock Yes, it sounds like a hardware-specific problem
15:00 twoelk I did indeed check the configs for strange settings, none that I recognized
15:01 * Krock points at issue tracker at github and #minetest-dev
15:02 twoelk uhm?
15:03 * twoelk did something wrong, his IRC client went all red
15:03 * Krock had to taskkill mcskin3d
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15:04 * Krock had to do it again. it threw too much error boxes
15:04 VanessaE Calinou: https://github.com/VanessaE/ho​medecor_modpack/commits/master  (last three commits)
15:04 Calinou hi
15:04 PenguinDad mcskin3d "kill -11"'d itself
15:05 Calinou https://github.com/VanessaE/homedecor_modpack/c​ommit/a19c9e6dee4cd278feecdb4441b30cf6d023b97d → isn't using division slow?
15:05 VanessaE Took a page from Carbone :)
15:05 Calinou it's more readable, for sure
15:05 Jordach PenguinDad, never happened under Mono and WINE 1.5 under X/K/buntu 12.04
15:05 VanessaE it is slow yeah, but I had to go for readability here.
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15:06 Calinou I avoid division whenever possible here
15:06 Calinou let's save 0.1s of loading time :D
15:06 VanessaE heh
15:06 Calinou it probably only increases loading time
15:06 Calinou except when in on_step stuff
15:06 twoelk LemonLake, is that stream going downhill and uphill and down again, so not regarding gravity?
15:07 LemonLake Correct, but I couldn't see a better way and thought it was quite interesting how it worked anyway.
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15:08 twoelk Them two mountain lake mods did some sort of trrain checking. That might contain usefull code.
15:09 twoelk *terrain
15:09 * Krock likes that feature of MCSkin3D, every click on the [OK]-button of the error message opens at least 2 new windows
15:09 Megaf Hi
15:09 LemonLake nah, I quite like it as it is
15:09 Megaf Krock; 4 minutes to compile the server on my ARM board http://paste.debian.net/106707/
15:09 Jordach Krock, .NET for you
15:09 Jordach :3
15:09 Krock Megaf, 28 minutes for me
15:09 Krock Jordach, what you mean?
15:09 Jordach it's using C# and .NET
15:10 Jordach even in my video i was using MSAA 8X
15:10 Krock Jordach, yes. I saw that
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15:10 Krock Megaf, you aren't even compiling the .cpp files... o.o
15:10 coagen hello
15:10 carhad Is it possible to move a world form Minetest next to Minetest Carbone?
15:11 Krock hi
15:11 * twoelk studied real life terrain for years (within some hobbies) and has always been irritated by terrain generated by games
15:11 Krock carhad, yes. but it could result in some unknown nodes
15:11 Megaf what do you mean Krock ?
15:11 Krock Megaf, nvm...
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15:11 Calinou <Jordach> even in my video i was using MSAA 8X
15:12 Calinou more than 4 × FSAA is kind of a waste
15:12 Calinou on modern screens (if you aren't too close)
15:12 Jordach Calinou, it's like what, ~120 tris
15:12 Krock carhad, to change the game-type, open minetest_folder/worlds/world_name/world.mt and change "gameid" to the new game name
15:12 Calinou I'd appreciate if NodeBoxEditor used FSAA by default, too
15:13 Calinou twoelk, what's wrong with it?
15:13 Calinou too flat, not flat enough?
15:13 Krock (too less differences)
15:13 twoelk rivers flowing uphill (see earlier comments)
15:14 Krock they're all just flowing into the dirt at the deepest point :P
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15:14 carhad Is Lua a C++ library or?
15:14 twoelk then a pond should form
15:14 twoelk that would be indeed cool
15:14 Krock carhad, yes it is
15:15 LemonLake finally
15:15 LemonLake some music in my subbox
15:15 Krock ^got VLC running
15:15 LemonLake < has no music on linux but has listened to all his songs many times
15:15 LemonLake I like hearing new music but I don't like having to look for it. I like it when it comes to me.
15:16 Jordach LemonLake, Spotify Radio
15:16 LemonLake It's that time of day now, I should have 8 new songs in the next 7 hours.
15:16 Krock UKW radio, ftw!
15:16 Jordach pick a type of tag, let it play
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15:17 Krock proller__, bad connection these days?
15:18 LemonLake dudes
15:18 LemonLake mint 17 came out the other day
15:18 carhad So if you change Int.lua files then do you have to recompile the file?
15:18 PenguinDad Krock: proller, troller has a bad connection everyday
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15:18 Megaf VanessaE; the bathroom/kitchen tiles could be a litle bigger and with a little less cotrast, instead of black, a dark grey, and instead of white, a really light grey
15:19 twoelk carhad: no
15:19 VanessaE Megaf: there are four shades; if you need a bigger size, use the ones from moreblocks.
15:19 Krock carhad, lua files get parsed by Lua automatically
15:19 VanessaE maybe I'll add more variants later.
15:19 VanessaE remind me tomorrow?
15:19 Jordach !tell VanessaE add more kitchen tile variants
15:19 MinetestBot Jordach: I'll pass that on when VanessaE is around
15:20 Jordach >:D
15:20 Megaf VanessaE; paintings and washing machine are great additions
15:20 VanessaE Jordach: https://forum.minetest.net/v​iewtopic.php?f=11&amp;t=2041  read the TODO
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15:20 VanessaE I've been working through your old list of suggestions, finally.
15:20 VanessaE and see also, the latest commits.
15:20 Jordach stealing my post's todo list?
15:20 VanessaE yep
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15:21 VanessaE shameless copy&paste :P
15:21 Jordach you mean edited my post for the codes and then repasted
15:21 VanessaE the codes?
15:21 twoelk carbon has paintings now as well so might be time for the "Ultimate Unified Paintings"
15:21 Jordach or tags :3
15:21 VanessaE oh, nope.
15:22 Jordach Unfied Inventory needs to be rebuilt
15:22 Jordach END OF.
15:22 Krock yes.
15:22 Krock no. wtf? why?
15:22 Jordach the sheer complexity and hard ton use is BS
15:22 Jordach it's size slows down minetest on certain machines
15:23 carhad Are mobs actually being developed for the official build?
15:23 VanessaE I just copied your post, Brandy's follow-up, and cg72's, itemized them, then piped the result through sort and automated adding of [*] [/*] tags around the entries.
15:23 Jordach (and that's the same reason why i avoid VE-Survival because of preload item visuals)
15:23 VanessaE carhad: not presently, but there are several MOB mods.
15:23 Megaf +1 for wall radiators in homedecor
15:24 Vazon i agree with Jordach, the Unified Inventory could redone to be simpilar
15:24 Jordach it needs a complete redux
15:24 Megaf if it stills compatible and player wont lost anything
15:25 twoelk but how should it look?
15:25 Vazon Megaf why would players loss anything?? the players inventorys are keep in the player files
15:25 Krock BlockMen, I like your Dessert Cobblestone.
15:25 Krock https://forum.minetest.net/v​iewtopic.php?f=15&amp;t=9066
15:26 Krock :3
15:26 * PenguinDad throws calcium at unified inventory
15:26 BlockMen not my cobblestone :P its just merged pull for _game ;)
15:26 BlockMen Krock^
15:27 Krock BlockMen, but iz not eatable :(
15:27 Krock "Dessert"
15:27 VanessaE Jordach: you're welcome to provide pull requests for some of those items in the TODO btw :)
15:27 Jordach VanessaE, fuck sakes
15:27 Jordach i can provide nodeboxes
15:27 Jordach but no textures
15:27 VanessaE Jordach: such as the globe and the lightbulb - I need real models for those
15:27 VanessaE nodeboxes won't work
15:28 BlockMen Krock, wtf?!
15:28 Jordach VanessaE, oh cmon
15:28 Jordach >lightbulb
15:28 VanessaE Jordach: no, seriously.  lay it out in your head.
15:28 Jordach that doesn't even need one
15:28 Jordach i see
15:28 Jordach RealBadAngel, where's our meshnodes
15:28 VanessaE a light bulb needs a fixture too
15:28 Krock BlockMen, nvm. Just a funny typo.
15:29 Jordach quit frigging with those tooltips
15:29 VanessaE that fixture will take on the texture of the lightbulb itself if it's made of nodeboxes
15:29 Jordach VanessaE, wait for meshnodes
15:29 Jordach then i can provide hundreds if not THOUSANDS of items
15:29 VanessaE a freestanding globe needs a frame/stand to hold it.  that will take on the texture of the earth itself if made of nodeboxes.,
15:30 VanessaE ok, those two will wait for meshes then
15:30 VanessaE if not meshnodes, then entities.  something.
15:30 VanessaE but not nodeboxes :P
15:30 Jordach VanessaE, best part is, you could spin the entitiy
15:30 Jordach when punched
15:30 VanessaE yep.
15:30 Jordach oh god that felt cool even thinking about it
15:31 Krock BlockMen, the actual thing I wanted to notify you about is this here: https://github.com/BlockMen/minetest_next/issues/9 it would be a good addition if there's an API documentation for the added features/functions
15:31 VanessaE as for hundreds or thousands of items, well let's not go overboard :P
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15:38 BlockMen Krock, you could bump sfan5 or nore aswell
15:38 Krock BlockMen, okay
15:39 Jordach VanessaE, define Homedecór
15:43 PenguinDad Hòmêdêcòr is quite nice
15:43 BlockMen Krock, https://github.com/BlockMen/minetest​_next/issues/9#issuecomment-47119234
15:44 Krock great. myself, I'm trying to make the node-registring shorter
15:55 coagen so nice to see a mildly active channel, I think I'm going to try playing this game with my kid
15:56 coagen haven't played it for several years...
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15:58 * Jordach pokes VanessaE
16:01 * sfan5 pokes Jordach
16:01 sfan5 Jordach: >The only thing I will ever accept as a decent thing to use is those shitty slow and cheap-o Chinese tablets, and for one reason;
16:02 sfan5 chinese tablets/phones often come with spyware
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16:03 VanessaE gotta run
16:03 VanessaE bbl
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16:04 Jordach sfan5, prefer that
16:04 VanessaE (sorry for disappearing, landlord finally showed up.  and now that that's all taken care of, I'm off to sleep)
16:04 * VanessaE wanders off to bed
16:04 VanessaE bbl
16:04 sfan5 Jordach: one word: CyanogenMod
16:05 LemonLake cya
16:05 Jordach !tell VanessaE https://cdn.mediacru.sh/G-RHXHIdKIMn.png
16:05 MinetestBot Jordach: I'll pass that on when VanessaE is around
16:06 LemonLake Now that's pretty cool.
16:07 LemonLake Could you use like a server map on that globe?
16:08 Jordach LemonLake, that can be done
16:08 Jordach we just fucking meshnodes
16:11 Amaz When are they likely to be done?
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16:17 Jordach when RealBadAngel actually stops messing with tooltips
16:17 * Jordach wonders if it's possible to play Minesweeper in Minetest
16:17 LemonLake shouldn't be too difficult
16:18 LemonLake minesweeper in itself is really easy to code
16:18 Jordach we also need solitaire
16:18 Calinou <Calinou> # To reduce lag, block transfers are slowed down when a player is building something.
16:18 Calinou <Calinou> # This determines how long they are slowed down after placing or removing a node.
16:18 Calinou <Calinou> Is this still relevant with client-side block placement prediction?
16:18 LemonLake now thats a bit more difficult
16:18 LemonLake why is OldCoder always opped?
16:19 Jordach because we need a drop in shadowbot replace ment
16:20 SylvieLorxu sfan5: >often
16:20 SylvieLorxu sfan5: >one known case
16:20 Jordach and because ShadowNinja needs to get his gear together
16:20 LemonLake ah
16:20 SylvieLorxu Most Chinese tablets are probably as safe as American ones
16:20 LemonLake SylvieLorxu: >greentext
16:21 SylvieLorxu LemonLake: >white on black text
16:21 LemonLake SylvieLorxu: not getting the joke
16:21 Jordach SylvieLorxu, >black on white text
16:21 Megaf [12:25:37] <Vazon> Megaf why would players loss anything?? the players inventorys are keep in the player files
16:21 SylvieLorxu Jordach: Your colour scheme is terrible then
16:21 Megaf several factors
16:21 LemonLake Jordach: >black text on white
16:21 SylvieLorxu What are you even using, XChat?
16:21 Jordach Quassel
16:21 SylvieLorxu lol
16:21 Megaf once of them is the inventory not using those files anymore
16:21 LemonLake wut
16:22 * Megaf uses Quassel Client on Windows XP, OS X Mavericks and Debian Wheezy
16:22 Vazon Megaf: all inventorys are keeped there, they would they change it to use a different file?? thats just wasted space
16:22 LemonLake nvm
16:22 LemonLake ctcp went to query
16:23 Jordach my picture got burgled
16:23 Jordach https://forum.minetest.net/vi​ewtopic.php?p=145538#p145538
16:23 Jordach i can tell BFD textures from anything
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16:25 Megaf LemonLake: /ctcp Megaf version
16:25 LemonLake exactly the same reply as Jordach's
16:26 Megaf what was the reply?
16:26 LemonLake -Megaf- VERSION Quassel IRC v0.10.0 (dist-575f27e) (built on May  9 2014 21:28:10) -- http://www.quassel-irc.org
16:26 Jordach i should update my client
16:26 Jordach brb
16:26 Megaf Yep, that's the windows version
16:26 Megaf what's the issue LemonLake?
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16:27 LemonLake ?
16:27 AMMOnym_ Hello
16:27 Megaf hi
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16:29 Jordach there
16:29 Jordach ctcp version again :3
16:29 AMMOnym_ Question for fun :D Which arena do you prefer : 1) something like colloseum  2) something like olympic games  ?
16:29 Megaf AMMOnym_: 1
16:29 Amaz Arena 1.
16:29 Megaf Received CTCP-VERSION answer from Megaf: Quassel IRC v0.10.0 (dist-575f27e) (built on May  9 2014 21:28:10) -- http://www.quassel-irc.org
16:29 AMMOnym_ Thanks for answer :)
16:29 Megaf [13:29:17] * Received CTCP-VERSION answer from Jordach: Quassel IRC v0.10.0 (dist-575f27e) (built on Mar 28 2014 20:22:17) -- http://www.quassel-irc.org
16:30 Megaf Jordach: your Quassel is 19 days newer than mine
16:30 Jordach wat
16:30 Jordach Mar != may
16:30 Jordach Mines older by two months
16:30 Megaf oh
16:31 Megaf true
16:31 Megaf Jordach: mine is from Debian repos
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17:19 Calinou Carbone: Code cleanup; higher mob jump heights; tweak mob spawning for lower active block range; don't log nyan cat generations by default; attempt to fix mobs not attacking sometimes.
17:19 Calinou server CPU usage: average 5 % with one player (and with many mobs) :D
17:19 Calinou when generating (fast fly), 30 to 60 %
17:19 Calinou when no players are on, 1 %
17:20 Calinou http://paste.ubuntu.com/7701496/
17:20 Calinou these are the settings used
17:20 SylvieLorxu Server CPU usage in percents is kinda meaningless if I don't know the CPU in question :P
17:20 Calinou i7-2600K
17:21 Calinou 1 emerge thread, so map generation is done on one core only; the numbers I gave were on one thread, not all of them
17:21 Calinou (60 % of one thread was used, not 60 % of all)
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17:24 markv Hi!
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17:25 Megaf Calinou: This can be higher server_map_save_interval = 15.3, I'm using 120
17:25 Megaf active_block_range = 1 can be 3, no problem, I use 3 on my ARM board
17:25 Amaz Jordach, does the mc skins thing in the video support capes?
17:25 Calinou default seems to be 2
17:26 Calinou Megaf, my CPU usage went down a lot by using 1
17:26 Jordach Amaz, ueses the bottom right section
17:26 Megaf max_simultaneous_block_sends_per_client = 4, I didnt see much difference here, using 1 or 8
17:26 Calinou the experience isn't harmed at all, provided the mob spawn chances are tweaked
17:26 Amaz Okay.
17:26 Calinou Megaf, less bandwidth usage when someone is loading blocks (default 10)
17:26 Amaz Thanks!
17:26 Megaf so on per client Im using 1
17:26 Calinou 4 is fast enough and doesn't eat all my bandwidth with one other player
17:26 Calinou Megaf, active block range matters a lot with mobs
17:27 Calinou making it too high will make ABMs impact a lot of blocks, which is slow
17:27 Calinou I don't want mobs to spawn 40 nodes away, I don't care
17:27 Megaf Calinou: I use one, because the network stack processing is done via USB on my server, and the USB processing and network processing is done on CPU
17:27 BlockMen http://imgur.com/gallery/PGNLPCb :D
17:27 Megaf max_block_send_distance = 6, this will use quite a lot of bandwidth
17:27 Megaf Im using 3 hre
17:27 Megaf here*
17:27 Megaf brb
17:28 Calinou default is 10 :-D
17:28 Calinou I made it the same as generation distance, so that people don't have to move around to make the blocks generate
17:28 Calinou (this makes the difference between generated blocks and sent blocks transparent too, like in Minecraft)
17:28 Calinou I think 0.3.x used 4, was quite low
17:28 Calinou it's nice to be able to see far away
17:32 Krock stupid github - doesn't let me create a merge request for a single commit
17:32 Krock eiter no changes are shown up or all, except of the newest >.<
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17:36 Calinou \o/ Gitorious
17:37 john_minetest sfan5: http://roaming-initiative.com/mediagoblin/mg​oblin_media/media_entries/1009/IMG_0019.jpg
17:37 john_minetest ZOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO​OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM!
17:37 sfan5 o
17:37 sfan5 a kitten
17:37 Calinou alt+mouse wheel in any application zooms for me (accessibility feature enabled by default)
17:37 Calinou cheap zooming in games that can't do it :-D
17:37 Calinou but blurry or pixeled
17:38 Krock Ctrl + mouse wheel here
17:38 Krock MEOW
17:38 Megaf ctrl + scroll
17:39 john_minetest mousewheel
17:39 Megaf CPU Temperature:    +39.0°C  (high = +60.0°C, crit = +95.0°C)
17:39 Krock Ctrl + [+/-]
17:39 Megaf MB Temperature:     +47.0°C  (high = +45.0°C, crit = +75.0°C)
17:40 Megaf my motherboard is hot
17:40 Megaf we need to put out the fire
17:40 Calinou 47°C is good enough
17:40 john_minetest Would be weird if you would leave the "board" away.
17:40 Megaf Vcore Voltage:      +1.01 V  (min =  +0.85 V, max =  +1.60 V)
17:40 Calinou as long as you're below 60 °C
17:40 * Krock doesn't know his CPU temperature
17:40 Calinou CPU is at 33°C here, motherboard at 28°C
17:40 Megaf Krock: just open up a terminal and type sensors
17:40 Calinou (it's always pretty cold)
17:40 Megaf :)
17:41 * Krock throws WINDOWS at Megaf
17:41 Calinou you need lm-sensors installed; also, not all PCs support sensor reading, but most of them at least allow temperature reading from the OS, thankfully
17:41 Calinou voltage and fan speed readings are much rarer
17:41 * Megaf catches WINDOWS and uses it to heat his house (Using a fireplace)
17:41 Calinou it's hug-a-motherboard-software-developer day! thank them for not supporting operating systems other than Windows.
17:41 Megaf thanks Krock
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17:41 BlockMen but WINDOWS breaks when thrown?!
17:41 john_minetest I got no temperature sensors, it seems.
17:42 john_minetest At least not accessible
17:42 Calinou they probably are there (all CPUs sold since ~2004 have one)
17:42 Megaf The readins I pasted here are from ACPI
17:42 * Krock wonders how Megaf got WINDOWS burning...it doesn't burn
17:42 Megaf Krock: it comes in a box with DVD and manuals and stuff inside
17:43 Megaf I got a sensor on my CPU that shows the temp too
17:43 Megaf k10temp-pci-00c3
17:43 Megaf temp1:        +37.5°C  (high = +70.0°C)
17:43 Megaf all my readings http://paste.debian.net/106732/
17:44 Megaf ^ Calinou & john_minetest
17:44 * Megaf is not using a chassis fan
17:44 Megaf I wonder how can I lower my Vcore even more
17:45 Megaf on windows it would go as down as 0.85 volts
17:46 Krock Motherboard: 49°C
17:46 Krock CPU 21°C
17:46 john_minetest Megaf: http://pastie.org/pastes/9323560/text
17:47 Krock HDD's ~42°C, CPU went down to 15°C, wtf?
17:47 Megaf Krock: because windows
17:47 Megaf john_minetest: is that an intel?
17:47 Krock Megaf, yes. very energy efficient. it already cools the PC
17:48 Calinou https://forum.minetest.net/vi​ewtopic.php?p=146217#p146217
17:48 Calinou <Megaf> I wonder how can I lower my Vcore even more
17:48 Calinou the BIOS/UEFI can do it, probably
17:48 Krock "[/i]Lots "
17:48 Calinou (except most OEM motherboards… blame the OEMs for being lazy)
17:48 john_minetest Megaf: Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-4770 CPU @ 3.40GHz
17:49 Megaf Calinou: I wonder using software
17:49 Calinou motherboards sold directly have much, much more setting
17:49 Calinou it's unlikely to be possible using software
17:49 Calinou especially if you wanted to set the voltage freely
17:49 Megaf john_minetest: cat /proc/cpuinfo | grep MHz
17:49 Calinou (you can probably only set a predefined power state)
17:49 Megaf if you actually use it at 3,4 GHz it will be MUCH warmer
17:49 Calinou Krock, HDD is best below 50 °C, ideally < 40 °C
17:49 Calinou so it's OK
17:49 Calinou but could be better :)
17:50 Megaf # hddtemp /dev/sda
17:50 Megaf /dev/sda: SAMSUNG HD080HJ: 50°C
17:50 Megaf # hddtemp /dev/sdb
17:50 Megaf /dev/sdb: SAMSUNG SP0842N: 45°C
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17:50 Krock Calinou, okay. maybe it's because there's no fan or additional space to get a better air circulation
17:50 Megaf Calinou: HDs usually stay around 50°C
17:50 Megaf withough forced ventilation
17:51 * Krock throws http://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu_lookup.php?cp​u=Intel+Core+i7-4770+%40+3.40GHz&amp;id=1907 at john_minetest
17:51 Krock $300
17:52 Megaf my computer is behind my 40" TV/monitor with my router, raspberry pi, odroid u3, 8 port network switch on/arround it
17:52 Calinou they should be ventilated, like everything else in general
17:52 Megaf So I think my temps are ok
17:52 Calinou some slow ventilation is much better than no ventilation at all
17:52 Calinou you should have at least 1 case fan, 2 for more powerful PCs, 3 for very powerful ones (or the ones that are in full load 24/7)
17:52 Krock john_minetest, your CPU has only a 35.76 times better benchmark than mine. I'LL TRY TO NOT CRY
17:54 Krock ok. don't need to cry. I got this PC cuz the previous owner called it "dead".. power supply was the only broken thing
17:54 Krock </offtopic>
17:55 john_minetest Krock: It is a stock PC. From DELL.
17:56 Calinou Krock, if you have some money, look at used PCs some day
17:56 Calinou they have better performance/pric
17:56 Calinou +e
17:56 Megaf Krock: my dekstop CPU http://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?​cpu=AMD+Phenom+II+X4+955&amp;id=368
17:56 Krock Calinou, yes I know that
17:56 Calinou Megaf, mine is probably 2 × better
17:58 Megaf Calinou: in single thread newer AMDs arent much faster than mine, http://www.cpubenchmark.net/compare.php?cmp[]=368&cmp[]=2014
17:59 Megaf only almost twice as fast =/
17:59 Calinou blame AMD for not caring about single thread
18:00 Calinou PenguinDad changed from a pony avatar to another pony avatar on GitHub, wow
18:00 Krock http://www.cpubenchmark.net/market_share.html Intel ftw!
18:01 Calinou :( sadly
18:02 Calinou AMD's CPU future is rather bleak
18:02 Calinou same for GPU, when you look at Maxwell.
18:02 PenguinDad Calinou: it's unbelievable isn't it? :P
18:02 MinetestBot GIT: Sapier at GMX dot net commited to minetest/minetest: Fix statement not set NULL on deletion 24face5 2014-06-25T20:01:29+02:00 http://git.io/5ulFig
18:02 Krock o.o http://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?id=2059
18:02 Krock unbelievable^^
18:03 Megaf at lest I got 4 true actual physical cores
18:03 Megaf least*
18:04 * PenguinDad beats Megaf with 6 physical cores
18:04 * Krock makes a roundhousekick with his single core
18:04 Megaf I might get a FX with 8 cores (4 real cores) http://www.cpubenchmark.net/compare.php?cmp[]=368&cmp[]=2014&cmp[]=394
18:05 Megaf at least I can turn of 3 cores and use one core at 5 GHz
18:05 Megaf just like minetestserver likes
18:06 Megaf minetestserver is made for old inneficient single core single thread high clock CPU
18:06 Megaf =/
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18:11 sapier https://forum.minetest.net/v​iewtopic.php?f=3&amp;t=9389 everyone please test latest android build
18:12 Megaf whats your CPU Krock?
18:13 Krock Intel(C) Celeron(TM) D 3.06GHz
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18:13 Megaf sapier: did you fix the grey screen?
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18:14 sapier No I don't even have an idea where to start lookong for it ... my assumption you lack free memory
18:14 sapier but that's a guess only
18:15 Megaf Krock: The passmark bench for your CPU is 287
18:15 sapier megaf could be some gpu issue too
18:15 Megaf Krock: the same bench for my ARM board is 2,801, running at 1,6 GHz
18:15 Megaf but my ARM actually runs at 1,7
18:15 Krock Megaf, great job. I know my benchmark
18:15 sapier e.g. some other app messing up gpu state and irrlicht missing to do correct initialization
18:15 Megaf sapier: as you can see, my ARM is much faster than Krock's CPU
18:15 Krock sapier, testing now
18:16 Megaf now please stop blaming my board for slow performance
18:16 sapier crocks cpu is about a decade old
18:16 sapier -c+k
18:16 Krock possibly, my mobile is better than myPC
18:17 sapier celeron D architecture was released in 2000 ... and it's been one of intels worst cpu designs ... there's not even a successor for it
18:17 Megaf sapier: my board is as fast as a Intel Core i7 E 610 @ 2.53GH
18:17 Megaf on the passmarck thing
18:18 sapier I don't know if passmarck is comparable for different architectures
18:18 Krock sapier, the loading bar jumps around in the display xD
18:18 Megaf Krock: my board uses the same CPU as the SAMSUNG Galaxy Note II and Galaxy Note 10.1 http://system-on-a-chip.findthebest.​com/l/326/Samsung-Exynos-4-Quad-4412
18:18 sapier yes ... caveat of beeing compatible to android 2.3
18:18 Megaf Krock: it does indeed
18:19 Krock sapier, what to do if the screen is blue?
18:19 sapier what device do you try to run it?
18:19 Krock (not a BSoD, talking about mobile)
18:19 Krock Samsung Galagy S
18:19 Krock s/g/x
18:19 sapier try rebooting
18:20 Megaf Krock: I got grey screen on my Android 2.x device
18:20 sapier that's basicaly same issue megaf mentioned
18:22 Krock hmm.. is checking those folders really required eachtime?
18:22 Krock btw, sapier, blue screen again :/
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18:22 sapier strange
18:22 Krock it looks like the cloud-blue background
18:22 sapier yes
18:23 Krock maybe is a better scale needed
18:23 Krock *opens editor*
18:24 Megaf !up minetest.megaf.info 30003
18:24 MinetestBot minetest.megaf.info:30003 seems to be down
18:24 Megaf just crashed my server doing overclock
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18:26 nman3600 Krock, "/ban" isn't working properly on your server
18:26 Krock nman3600, define please in PM
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18:28 sapier Krock what android version does your galaxy run atß
18:28 Krock it's working now, adjusting the scaling now
18:28 iqualfragile hey guys, which texturepacks are "in" at the moment?
18:29 sapier broken scaling causes screen to become blue?
18:29 sapier Megaf can you try this too?
18:30 markv !up minetest.org
18:30 MinetestBot minetest.org:30000 seems to be down
18:30 markv !up minetest.org 30010
18:30 MinetestBot minetest.org:30010 seems to be down
18:30 markv !up minetest.org 30020
18:30 MinetestBot minetest.org:30020 seems to be down
18:31 Krock it's down.
18:31 markv :(
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18:36 Krock ok. can't get it working. once I was able to see 1/4 of the main menu, now, with same settings, it's back to the blue screen situation
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18:39 sapier what android version do you have on your galaxy?
18:41 Krock sapier, 2.3.6 Gingerbread
18:41 markv I'm curious what people living 50 years ago would have to say about the conversations of this channel
18:41 Krock nothing!
18:43 sapier hmmm strange
18:43 Krock tring again with gui_scaling of 0.5, no sucess
18:43 sapier I don't think it's scaling I guess it's related to rebooting
18:44 sapier or maybe both
18:44 Krock <offtopic> is DLS == LSD ? </offtopic>
18:45 BlockMen sapier, i have same device, and same problems. only able to see mainmenu one time
18:45 markv LSD...
18:45 BlockMen setting active world, tab or something else in conf didnt help
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18:45 sapier I have same issue on my 2.3 device ... does always work again after reboot
18:45 Krock one time, it worked. main menu about 1.4 timestoobig
18:45 sapier I wonder if this is a android version issue
18:46 Krock *times too big
18:46 Megaf [15:29:25] <sapier> Megaf can you try this too?
18:46 Megaf Nope, I can't get to the menu
18:46 * BlockMen reboots device
18:46 * Krock does,too
18:46 sapier so it's most likely been pure chance that changing the gui size caused it to work
18:49 * Krock can't it get working
18:49 sapier do you guys know how to get logs from adb?
18:49 sapier that information could help
18:50 sapier hmm on 2.3 logcat should work
18:50 sapier can you try downloading it and get the logs?
18:51 Megaf Krock: on your android, how much RAM you have available?
18:51 Megaf you see that in manage applications/running
18:52 Megaf I got 277 MB of free RAM here
18:52 Krock Megaf, mostly about 250 MB
18:52 sapier galaxy has 512 mb ram that should me bore then enough
18:52 Megaf sapier: But I think the main issue is the available free space on device's storage
18:52 Krock hmm. It shows up 488MB as maximal
18:53 Megaf sapier: apps like Skype, Opera and Firefox I can move to sd card
18:53 sapier could be what storage do you have? sd card inserted?
18:53 Megaf but it wont show me that option to minetest
18:53 sapier yes but most of minetests data is stored on sdcard anyway
18:53 Weedy I have 900mb free ram
18:53 Megaf sapier: 1,2 GB free on sdcard
18:53 sapier should be more then enough
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18:54 sapier megaf can you try logcat? maybe minetest fails to detect storage
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18:54 Krock Weedy, I have 1065 MB free RAM.      on my PC
18:54 Megaf sapier: nope, it did create the folder on my sd
18:55 sapier I've seen strange issues about detection resulting in different folders on different runs ... but at 4.2 not 2.3
18:55 Weedy Krock: my phone has more free ram then free sdcard space
18:55 Megaf sapier: I managed to get the debug.txt file! http://paste.debian.net/106745/ :)
18:55 Krock Weedy, that means you have a lot music or not-loaded apps:P
18:56 sapier ahhh
18:56 sapier ok that's interesting
18:56 sapier ok I may have a fix
18:56 sapier give me a second
18:56 Megaf sapier: you see I tried locking my device, pressing keys
18:58 markv I need a goal for the next few hours
18:59 Krock markv, build a cow in-game
18:59 markv I wanted to avoid minetest...
19:00 Krock markv, then goto http://usvsth3m.com/
19:00 BlockMen sapier, logcat says failed to load and run buitlin/init.lua
19:00 markv That's a really boring site Krock :P
19:00 Krock markv, scroll down and find the games
19:00 markv I have a shiny new debian server on the network, any ideas for that?
19:01 sapier that means copying to sdcard failed
19:01 sapier or detection of sdcard folder failed
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19:01 sapier can you paste the logcat output somewhere?
19:01 BlockMen is NOT RUN_IN_PLACE intentional?
19:03 Krock markv, put windows on it
19:03 markv Did you just...
19:03 sapier yes
19:03 markv You...
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19:04 sapier on android there's no run in place
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19:05 Megaf sapier: you said you might ghave a fix for my device?
19:06 sapier yes building right now
19:06 Megaf sapier: tell me more about it please
19:06 Megaf what do you think the problem is?
19:06 Megaf that grammar isnt quite right, is it?
19:06 Krock markv, try this: http://games.usvsth3m.com/2048/woosocrazy-edition/
19:07 sapier I added a fix for some broken gpus recently but forgot to clear glerrors before
19:07 sapier so if any error occurs irrlicht now will do bad things with textures
19:07 markv Oh my god thank you
19:09 markv "I scored 664 in 2048: Woosocrazy Edition! Can you beat me? "
19:09 markv Shitty
19:10 markv I want to set up VNC
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19:10 markv No GUI but it can start one for a VNC session
19:12 sfan5 markv: 3036
19:12 markv ...
19:12 * markv is not sad
19:12 * markv is annoyed though
19:15 sapier can you exit minetest (in blue mode) by double tapping?
19:17 * Megaf made 1884 points at the woosocrazy thing already and counting
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19:21 Megaf whats a good score there?
19:21 Megaf 3524 already, how do I "die"?
19:21 sfan5 by not being able to do any moves
19:23 Megaf I see, game over, 3560
19:24 Megaf whats your score sfan5?
19:24 sfan5 <sfan5> markv: 3036
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19:33 markv VNC> Click browser> Failed to execute child process "x-www-browser"
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19:38 sapier Krock do you have galaxy S or galaxy S plus?
19:38 sapier or some other variant ;-)
19:39 Eater4 sfan5 were can I get the worldedit gui,limited,and infintt?
19:41 sfan5 Eater4: https://github.com/Uberi/Minetest-WorldEdit
19:42 * Megaf still waiting for Minetest Android Non Grey Screen Edition
19:49 Megaf no one can't beat my odroid u3 (ARM)
19:49 MinetestBot GIT: arsdragonfly commited to minetest/minetest_game: Don't create bones if the player's inventory is empty 253af00 2014-06-25T15:46:45-04:00 http://git.io/cjNIiw
19:49 Megaf [100%] Built target minetestserver
19:49 Megaf real    0m13.994s
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19:54 Megaf That was a joke
19:54 * Megaf still waiting for Minetest Android Non Grey Screen Edition
19:54 Megaf ^ sapier
19:55 sfan5 Megaf: no need to repeat yourself
19:55 sapier *g* I'm trying to fix it right now megaf the fix I thought to fix it doesn't seem to fix it for everyone
19:56 Megaf sapier: That's ok. I think my device is not important... It's old, low power and outdated
19:58 sapier well Galaxy S and S+ have been sold quite often it'd be a pitty if we can't get it work there
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20:05 Megaf This should be removed and banned https://github.com/Jeija/minetest-mod-m​esecons/tree/master/mesecons_movestones
20:05 Megaf it can cause lots of damage and its buggy, it crashes the server
20:06 Megaf sfan5: your avatar is not hentai, but this one is almost a hentai https://github.com/montyoso
20:06 sfan5 wat
20:07 sfan5 that is nowhere near "real" hentai
20:07 sfan5 that's ecchi
20:07 * Megaf used to like "real" hentais
20:08 markv Googling Hentai is disgusting
20:08 sfan5 real hentai what?
20:08 sfan5 you don't say?
20:09 Megaf there are good hentais, common
20:09 markv http://goo.gl/IEekGJ
20:09 sfan5 !title
20:09 MinetestBot sfan5: Document isn't HTML
20:09 markv Guess who this is
20:09 sfan5 your mom
20:10 markv Use face recognition
20:10 markv If you can
20:11 sfan5 nowaday you use google reverse image search
20:11 markv I bet you can't figure out the full name of the person in the image
20:11 sfan5 it's your mom, got it!
20:12 markv It's me you absolute fucktard
20:13 sfan5 do I care?
20:13 sfan5 no
20:14 * markv gives channel operator status to mark
20:15 markv s/mark/markv
20:15 sfan5 that's one epic fail
20:15 john_minetest Lol, markv looks exactly how I imagined his mum.
20:16 john_minetest Nah, actually kidding
20:22 PenguinDad markv: your eyes look scary D:
20:22 Amaz ^ Just what I was thinking!
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20:31 markv Yeah a bit
20:31 markv used the dodge tool in photoshop to brighten the midtones there
20:33 kaeza >read that as doge tool
20:34 markv kaeza, http://s8.postimg.org/44i9sfd8l/Screenshot_53.png
20:34 PenguinDad kaeza: I'm not sure how doges help with brightening up things :P
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20:40 markv http://marktest.co.uk/wp-conten​t/uploads/2014/06/FSCN1429.jpg Are these called pinecones?
20:40 * markv needs to get out more
20:41 CraigyDavi Yup
20:42 Amaz Yep!
20:43 Tux[Qyou] joined #minetest
20:43 markv I've probably spelled 'silhouette' at least 4 different ways captioning these
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20:54 markv http://is.gd/coughflips
20:54 markv !title
20:54 MinetestBot markv: ProMedia &#8211; Castle | Mark Test
20:54 markv Many times shortened
21:00 Amaz Warwick Castle!
21:00 * Amaz has been there
21:03 markv :)
21:03 markv nice place
21:04 * markv finds the 500mm gigantic lens on his table disturbing
21:04 markv But first! Let me take a selfie!
21:04 Amaz Yup. It is a nice place!
21:05 * markv sets up VNC and chrome on a superserver
21:05 markv Just to do speedtest.net lol
21:09 markv only 33 images left in the "buffer"
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21:23 AiC how do I get 0.4.9-dev?
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21:44 Jordach shots fired https://forum.minetest.net/vi​ewtopic.php?p=146226#p146226
21:49 LemonLake i hop i did it rite
21:50 * blaise eats 15 lbs of spice cake
21:50 * blaise begins to vibrate
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22:33 Jordach TIL i found a song from SoundHelix that was actually good but never released
22:36 Gethiox joined #minetest
22:43 Jordach finally
22:43 Jordach worked out why that sound was "scratchy"
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23:22 * Jordach is busy working on something that might bring back the memories
23:23 Piggybear87 joined #minetest
23:26 Jordach ello Partmedia
23:26 Jordach Piggybear87 *
23:27 Piggybear87 Hello.
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23:29 Jordach btw - next render might make people shit themselves over quality
23:30 kaeza too late, I already shit myself with framed glass :I
23:30 kaeza (see #-dev)
23:31 Jordach https://cdn.mediacru.sh/MTNmw8Ha_6fA.png
23:31 Jordach realistic amospheric scattering
23:31 kaeza ooo shiny
23:32 Jordach this will probably have my tower running overnight
23:32 Jordach kaeza, get cable, get happy :3
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23:33 Jordach hello enchilado
23:33 Jordach Enke *
23:33 Jordach (i'm bad at this hour)
23:33 Enke Ah well. Mostly the same.
23:33 Enke :P
23:33 kaeza "at this hour" <_<
23:33 RealBadAngel Jordach, seen the video?
23:33 Jordach RealBadAngel, yes
23:33 RealBadAngel http://pastebin.com/RgfqNQct
23:33 RealBadAngel any comments?
23:33 Jordach but i still don't like the changes
23:33 RealBadAngel why?
23:34 RealBadAngel oops, wrong paste
23:34 RealBadAngel https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RUtrT7UGRMI
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23:42 RealBadAngel Jordach, because its not mesh drawtype? ;)
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23:49 Enke RealBadAngel: That video is neat!
23:54 Exio4 ShadowNinja: OOP is so awesome that overcomplicating stuff with it is the way to go
23:55 ShadowNinja Exio4: Yes, I know.  *rolls eyes*

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