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00:17 Eater4 !tell jp__ Your Server map is up!
00:17 MinetestBot Eater4: I'll pass that on when jp__ is around
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01:11 Vazon Eater4, did you here what the decided on the servers?
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01:19 Exio4 Eater4: why that nick then!
01:49 Eater4 Vazon: they didn't care, as usual
01:49 Eater4 Exio4: lol
01:49 Vazon Ya
01:50 Eater4 Hm....
01:58 Eater4 ShadowNinja?
02:12 sapier https://forum.minetest.net/v​iewtopic.php?f=3&t=9389 another android preview release
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02:51 ecutruin Damn, I missed Jordach. >.<
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03:50 Megaf us`0gb; Im fine, you? Did you manage to find some time? :PO
03:50 us`0gb Megaf: Not a whole lot of time to find. Time for what?
03:51 Megaf yourself
03:51 us`0gb None, sadly.
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05:35 MinetestBot jp__: 06-21 00:17 UTC <Eater4> Your Server map is up!
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05:36 jp__ Great ! What's address, Eater4 ?
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05:59 kaeza greetings
06:06 OldCoder o/ kaeza
06:06 OldCoder zzz
06:16 Zeno` hi
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06:50 nman3600 Hello
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06:59 lulz hello :)
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07:01 kaeza hi
07:01 HatedByMost hi
07:06 Calinou hi
07:06 nman3600 Hi
07:08 Calinou to GitHub, whining about something is a contribution \o/
07:09 kaeza lol
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07:34 Calinou I segfault when using third person on a 0.4.9 server :(
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07:46 nman3600 Hello LemonLake I only just realised you've joined
07:46 LemonLake nman3600: Only just? Aight.
07:46 nman3600 I'm struggling to get reinforced cobble (it uses so many sticks)
07:46 LemonLake I'm working on a skype client, so I'll need your help quite a bit.
07:47 nman3600 K LemonLake
07:47 Calinou Skype client? Microsoft would like to hear back
07:47 Calinou really, you'll end up getting a C&D letter, Skype “replacement” clients aren't allowed
07:48 LemonLake Calinou: For personal use.
07:48 LemonLake Microsoft have ditched their product for Linux and I rely on Skype for a lot of things. The linux one just does not work.
07:48 Calinou have fun having something functional anyway…
07:49 LemonLake Also, I just want to learn the skype protocol, python and wxWidgets.
07:49 nman3600 *sigh* Getting reinforced cobble (from darkage) is such a pain in the ass to craft
07:49 LemonLake Either way, what I want or do not want to do is none of your business.
07:49 LemonLake I was speaking to nman.
07:50 nman3600 :)
07:50 Calinou what's the use of reinforced cobble?
07:50 Calinou if you're worried about griefing, hide your base underground
07:50 Calinou it'll take time to be discovered
07:51 LemonLake nman3600: Can I teamview you every now and then? I'll try not to disrupt your work
07:51 nman3600 LemonLake sure i'm online now and someones giving me the final reinforced cobble i need
07:51 LemonLake Okay. I'll send you a confirmation request whenever I need it.
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08:27 john_minetest Hello everypony.
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08:32 john_minetest My laptop is still somewhere in china. Packet tracking is so cool :D
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08:33 SylvieLorxu Parcel tracking is terrible
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08:33 SylvieLorxu http://xkcd.com/281/ :(
08:34 HatedByMost Windows ftw
08:34 LemonLake since when
08:34 HatedByMost random
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08:37 john_minetest Best ad EVER: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x5yPkxCLads
08:37 john_minetest This xkcd is SO true!
08:37 enchilado true level: so
08:38 john_minetest I am sitting in front of my computer since yesterday, 8:00 doing *refresh*... still in china... *refresh* ...
08:38 SylvieLorxu I bought some music, last update:
08:38 SylvieLorxu Your item cleared customs in NETHERLANDS at 1:49 am on June 21, 2014.
08:38 SylvieLorxu So it SHOULD probably arrive soon, but when? :P
08:38 enchilado It better be on vinyl
08:38 SylvieLorxu Nope, CD :P
08:38 enchilado Why would you buy physical music that wasn't on vinyl?
08:39 SylvieLorxu Because
08:39 enchilado We have the Internet
08:39 enchilado The future is now
08:39 SylvieLorxu - I like CDs
08:39 SylvieLorxu - I can play CDs in the car
08:39 enchilado ...
08:39 SylvieLorxu - What's wrong with CDs?
08:39 enchilado You can play digital music in your car
08:39 SylvieLorxu I can't
08:39 enchilado They get damaged easily
08:39 enchilado You can't access them from anywhere
08:39 enchilado You can't listen to music from multiple CDs at once
08:39 SylvieLorxu I already have a FLAC copy of his entire discography anywhere
08:39 SylvieLorxu >You can't listen to music from multiple CDs at once
08:40 enchilado Why can't you play digital music in your car?
08:40 SylvieLorxu I wouldn't recommend to listen to more than one song at once in the first place
08:40 enchilado I'm sure you know what I meant
08:40 enchilado If you want to listen to a song from a different album or artist you need to take the CD out and put another one in
08:40 SylvieLorxu Because I can't, and I can't be bothered converting my music collection to a crappier format because I don't know any car audio player that plays FLAC
08:41 SylvieLorxu And CDs are nice to look at
08:41 enchilado Does your car have good enough speakers to make FLAC worthwhile?
08:41 SylvieLorxu http://cloudkickermusic.com/merch​/the-discovery-cd-by-blood-music | http://cloudkickermusic.com/me​rch/the-eps-cd-by-blood-music
08:41 SylvieLorxu :P
08:41 enchilado Surely if your car's audio is that good it can play from a phone or MP3 player?
08:41 SylvieLorxu Probably not, but converting my whole music collection to a worse format isn't worthwhile either
08:42 SylvieLorxu I don't have enough storage on my phone to safe my music as FLAC
08:42 SylvieLorxu *save
08:42 SylvieLorxu CDs just work and they're pretty
08:42 enchilado Surely there's some better solution than a CD :(
08:42 SylvieLorxu Why would Vinyl even be better?
08:42 enchilado Couldn't you like burn the tracks you have onto one anyway rather than buying it
08:42 SylvieLorxu No, because I want to support this artist
08:43 enchilado But you already bought the music
08:43 SylvieLorxu I mean sure I could but I don't want to
08:43 SylvieLorxu No, I didn't, I downloaded it for Free from his homepage
08:43 enchilado Ah
08:43 SylvieLorxu His entire discography
08:43 enchilado Fair enough then
08:43 enchilado I was assuming you paid for it already
08:43 SylvieLorxu Nope :P
08:44 SylvieLorxu Artist gets 40 bucks, I get two nice CDs and feel better about downloading all his stuff for free :P
08:44 SylvieLorxu Also, the albums just have an interesting story
08:44 SylvieLorxu http://www.heavyblogisheavy.com/2014/​04/17/ben-sharp-of-cloudkicker-respon​ds-to-unauthorized-blood-music-lps/
08:45 enchilado What kind of music is it?
08:45 enchilado Heavy metal?
08:45 SylvieLorxu The guitar-jamming kind, simple instrumental Prog-Rock, I'd say :P
08:45 enchilado Ah
08:45 SylvieLorxu http://cloudkickermusic.com/track/he-would-be-​riding-on-the-subway-or-writing-formulas-on-th​e-blackboard-or-having-a-meal-or-as-now-sittin​g-and-talking-to-someone-across-a-table-and-it​-would-envelop-him-like-a-soundless-tsunami :P
08:46 enchilado I prefer music with vocals
08:46 SylvieLorxu (His latest album is calmer, but I got older stuff)
08:46 SylvieLorxu I like both, depends on my mood
08:46 enchilado Is all of that the name of it?
08:46 SylvieLorxu Yup, he went a most Post-Rock style :P
08:47 SylvieLorxu Anyway, AFK for a bit
08:47 enchilado I might listen to it later, other stuff playing at the moment
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08:50 john_minetest I bought a laptop and it says: "China 06/20/2014 4:05 A.M. Agent pickup; in transit to UPS facility "
08:51 sapier hmm prepare to pay addon taxes if your country demands them for delivery from china ;-)
08:51 john_minetest I bought from DELL.
08:52 john_minetest And it is a buisiness Laptop. I don't think that they want any trouble with companies because of taxes :D
08:52 sapier well then hope it's not gonna be delivered to you directly :) or maybe ups is doing the tax things for dell
08:53 john_minetest I think so.
08:53 john_minetest Hah, I'll get a nice new laptop. Only dualcore but really stable.
08:53 john_minetest *robust
08:55 sapier do you have any ide why:
08:55 sapier --snip--
08:55 sapier errorstream << "attaching" << std::endl;
08:55 sapier jvm->AttachCurrentThread(&jnienv, &lJavaVMAttachArgs);
08:55 sapier --snip--
08:55 sapier works while
08:55 sapier --snip--
08:55 sapier jvm->AttachCurrentThread(&jnienv, &lJavaVMAttachArgs);
08:55 sapier --snip--
08:55 sapier doesn't?
08:56 sapier to make it even worse that issue only occurs if I disable all debug support
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09:14 SylvieLorxu john_minetest: >Agent pickup
09:14 SylvieLorxu That means they'll go and put backdoors on it
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09:15 john_minetest hardware backdoors? :P
09:16 * PenguinDad hugs ChanServ
09:17 * markv slaps ChanServ with a fish
09:17 john_minetest wow, debian is pretty cool.
09:17 markv No shit
09:17 * john_minetest gives ChanServ a <'(((((--<
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09:18 PenguinDad "ChanServ donated 486 ops in the channel... " and "ChanServ donated 37 voices in the channel... "
09:19 SylvieLorxu Yay, albums arrived! :D
09:20 * john_minetest throws a Thinkpad T61 at markv
09:20 john_minetest SylvieLorxu: What albums exactly?
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09:20 Eater4 jp__: by morinig actually, witch is in 5 hours
09:21 SylvieLorxu SylvieLorxu | http://cloudkickermusic.com/merch​/the-discovery-cd-by-blood-music | http://cloudkickermusic.com/me​rch/the-eps-cd-by-blood-music
09:21 SylvieLorxu ^ john_minetest
09:21 Eater4 i forgot to port foward
09:21 Eater4 And I have to go back to bed
09:21 jp__ G'morning so ;)
09:22 jp__ or g'night, idk...
09:22 Eater4 lol
09:23 Eater4 It's at isis.inchra.net #minetest now but it isn't avil to the public yet
09:23 jp__ > /time 6000 USA
09:24 jp__ Ok, thanks !
09:24 Eater4 Would you like it on the public server list?
09:24 jp__ Yes, sure ! :)
09:24 Eater4 lol
09:24 Eater4 /time 6000 all
09:25 jp__ Port 30000 for isis.inchra.net ?
09:25 Eater4 No, I meant the irc server
09:26 john_minetest Skype SUCKS.
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09:26 jp__ Ah...
09:26 PenguinDad ^ +1
09:26 john_minetest I am trying to install it right now.
09:26 john_minetest (Of course in a VM because I am not crazy)
09:27 jp__ Skype for Linux sucks, but you should install Skype for Windows through Wine.
09:27 john_minetest wine sucks, too.
09:27 john_minetest Wine is a nice program.
09:27 Eater4 ??
09:28 john_minetest But I don't like using windows programs on linux.
09:28 john_minetest It just adds so many problems.
09:28 Eater4 oh I get it: lol
09:28 Eater4 No it doesn't...
09:28 Eater4 did you try mono_runtime?
09:29 john_minetest SylvieLorxu: Bought that one a few weeks ago: https://kontrabandstores.com/phoen​ix/music/bankrupt-standard-cd.html
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09:30 john_minetest Eater4: I mean problems like VC redist and mono taking hours to download and install on wine and viruses being able to run.
09:30 jp__ Able to run only in the Wine sector.
09:31 jp__ They can't infect the Linux system.
09:33 Eater4 Hours? It took me 30 seconds to download mono
09:33 john_minetest still they can run there.
09:33 john_minetest Wine downloads some package (not sure if it was mono or VC redist. Took ages, hung up, took ages again, ...
09:36 Eater4 just download mono separately...
09:38 john_minetest hmm, how do I install from a .deb file in debian?
09:39 SylvieLorxu john_minetest: Interesting
09:39 john_minetest On arch there is "pacman -U <package>.pkg.tar.xz" Couldn't find anything in the manual yet.
09:39 john_minetest SylvieLorxu: Phoenix is really good. Listening to that CD all the time :D
09:40 jp__ For the .deb, you've just to click on and then "install the package".
09:40 SylvieLorxu john_minetest: What style is it? It looks Punk-ish
09:41 john_minetest SylvieLorxu: It is indie pop
09:41 john_minetest Dancable indie pop.
09:41 SylvieLorxu john_minetest: Indie pop makes me think of this: http://youtu.be/NgglSW3IWco
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09:42 SylvieLorxu (I won a copy of their album in a Facebook contest without having a Facebook account, I have no clue how...)
09:43 john_minetest Here is a song by phoenix: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OePvsCfKHJg
09:44 SylvieLorxu (YouTube, stop defaulting to 360p, that's no way to listen to music)
09:45 john_minetest Are you on windows or linux?
09:45 SylvieLorxu Loonix
09:45 john_minetest Which distribution?
09:45 * markv is on Winux
09:45 SylvieLorxu Trisquel 6
09:45 SylvieLorxu Oh, I see, yeah, that's more pop-ish
09:46 SylvieLorxu Heh, they feel so old-school
09:46 ecutruin What should I make for my first test mod?
09:46 SylvieLorxu Like the old pop stuff, not the new and ruined style
09:46 john_minetest SylvieLorxu: Look if Trisquel has the package "mpv". It is a music player that can play youtube videos, too. You just do "mpv <url>" and it plays it in best quality.
09:47 john_minetest I got no flash since I would only use it for youtube.
09:47 john_minetest Using mpv all the time.
09:49 SylvieLorxu I don't have flash either, Trisquel doesn't have it in their repos :P
09:49 john_minetest D: What it says: "skype for debian [MULTIARCH]". What I get: "skype for debian [i386]"
09:49 john_minetest SylvieLorxu: gnash?
09:49 SylvieLorxu gnash sucks
09:49 SylvieLorxu YouTube works fine with HTML5
09:49 john_minetest Ah, okay. I got pretty paranoid browser setting so html5 on youtube doesn't really work :P
09:50 SylvieLorxu Yeah, need to disable NoScript :P
09:50 markv 217.35.229.223
09:50 john_minetest I got several other blockers.
09:50 markv Last ip :(
09:50 SylvieLorxu But if mpv works, I'll get it. I used to use youtube-dl but... it is broken on Trisquel
09:51 SylvieLorxu Hmm, no mpv in the repos
09:51 SylvieLorxu Oh well
09:51 john_minetest Gnash filled up 16 GB of RAM and 4 GB of swap. It played the videos normally and then idled, filling up the RAM with a few MB/s. :P
09:52 john_minetest Hmm, yeah, no mpv.
09:53 markv * Ping reply from sslv.tk: 41.909 second(s)
09:53 markv What do I win?
09:55 PenguinDad markv: you win math.pi cupcakes
09:55 markv * Ping reply from sslv.tk: 0.000 second(s)
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10:03 john_minetest SylvieLorxu: Another song from the previous album: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4BJDNw7o6so
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10:08 SylvieLorxu john_minetest: Not bad
10:08 SylvieLorxu Not bad at all
10:11 sfan5 meow
10:11 sfan5 hi everyone
10:12 jp__ Hi sfan5
10:12 sfan5 SylvieLorxu: maybe this is useful for you? https://gist.github.com/sfan5/8672767
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10:19 john_minetest Skype... "Debian 7 (multiarch)". There is only 32 bit. 64 bit doesn't exist AT ALL.
10:24 LemonLake Speaking of skype, does the linux version of skype miss the GET/SET AVATAR command in P7?
10:27 john_minetest The download for ubuntu64 and ubuntu32 are exactly the same... skype, r u kidding me?
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10:28 enchilado skype? are you kidding me?
10:29 PenguinDad john_minetest: what else would you expect from M$?
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10:31 Jordach >Firefox can't find the server at xkcd.com. D:
10:31 sfan5 john_minetest: the solution is easy: don't use skype
10:32 john_minetest sfan5: I want to meet somebody for doing homework but he isn't answering to mail. He is always online on skype.
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10:36 jp__ john_minetest : https://plus.im/
10:37 jp__ (Skype web-supported)
10:39 PilzAdam http://dev.minetest.net/index.php?​title=TODO&amp;curid=365&amp;diff=​2129&amp;oldid=2087&amp;rcid=2316 does someone know where this is?
10:39 PilzAdam s/where/who/
10:40 sapier you're talking about jamesK89? ... no I don't know him
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10:42 Zeno` does it matter who it is? If the contribution was accurate then *shrug*
10:42 sapier no but it'd be interesting to know
10:42 Zeno` true
10:42 PilzAdam the wiki is not the correct place to suggest things
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10:43 PilzAdam he should talk to RBA directly instead of writing it the TODO article
10:43 john_minetest jp__: thx
10:44 sapier especially as rba most likely wont even notice it there
10:45 Jordach someone needs to remove TODO for minetest_game
10:45 Jordach because that's an outdated concept :3
10:46 Zeno` oh I didn't see that
10:46 Zeno` TODO is outdated?
10:46 sapier for frozen things yes ... ;-)
10:46 PilzAdam Jordach, let the people dream and then hit the truth in their face >:-)
10:47 PilzAdam Zeno`, the TODO page is incomplete, outdated, wrong, and a lot of other bad things too; everyone has their own plans on what to do next and doesn't care to write it into a wiki
10:47 sapier 0.4.10 game selection, PLZ vote! https://forum.minetest.net/v​iewtopic.php?f=15&amp;t=9116
10:48 jp__ Pity there are no poll in phpBB...
10:48 PilzAdam sapier, I would vote for "None, and a nice Game Manager", but that doesn't seem to be an option
10:49 jin_xi +1
10:49 jin_xi but nice is no priority, if it just kind of works
10:49 Zeno` I haven't done a lot of investigating, but why is minetest_game deprecated?
10:49 sapier I won't write another game manager until it's settled down if minetest shall be a collection of games or mods
10:50 jin_xi Zeno`: no consens on what it should be mostly
10:50 sapier both concepts don't really match very well
10:50 Zeno` hmm ok
10:50 RealBadAngel huh, thx to PilzAdam i have noticed that ;)
10:50 Zeno` jin_xi, and if a new game is bundled that will be more likely to have consensus?
10:51 Zeno` or are "bundled" games the way of the dodo?
10:52 jin_xi thats the wrong way too look at it
10:52 RealBadAngel sapier, i would love to see there "creatures" by Taoki, its still a mod but gonna be a game
10:52 RealBadAngel you should try it
10:52 jin_xi not games bundled with minetest, but some game supported by mt...
10:52 Zeno` jin_xi, I'm not trying to be difficult :) I just want to understand
10:52 Taoki I'll be making a game with other creatures and a lot more things in the future, yes
10:52 jin_xi just as there is no default game for flash
10:52 Zeno` so I can make plans
10:52 sapier It's not me to decide about games I just do advertisement
10:52 Taoki I still suggest trying out creatures for minetest_game though
10:52 Taoki BTW... there are female versions of the human mob now :)
10:53 Taoki You can possess them like all other mobs and play as any you wish
10:53 Taoki Just like with monsters etc. Used several skins from skin mod
10:53 RealBadAngel Ive updated Unified Inventory with intllib support and some tooltips
10:53 RealBadAngel so translations are welcome
10:54 sapier I wonder how many different mob variants we gonna need
10:54 RealBadAngel theres started german and polish translation already
10:54 Zeno` sapier, perhaps there needs to be a consensus hehehe
10:54 Zeno` (sorry just kidding)
10:55 Taoki RealBadAngel: Oh, I was curious. Does Unified Inventory automatically adapt to all and any inventory and craft area sizes? As well as new elements added to the formspec? Creatures mod might work with it, although I tend to doubt it's compatible and can become so
10:55 sapier mobs are same as always ... everyone thinks he can do better ... that works for some time as the primitive things can be done fast ... once ppl start to fix the more complex things their mod will become as slow and complex as all other mob mods
10:55 jin_xi so minetest_game should be renamed to something like shitty_minecraft_boilerplate
10:56 RealBadAngel Taoki, i dont think so, that should be added
10:56 * Taoki nods
10:56 Taoki sapier: Maybe try it out sometime. I think I managed to improve SimpleMobs to have a way more complex behavior, while the mod should still be as lightweight
10:58 Zeno` A C API would make things "lighter"
10:58 sapier if I have some time left ... not sure when this will be ... by now everytime I had a look at simplemobs I've been disapointed because exectly those issues claimed to be solved have just been ignored
10:58 PenguinDad Zeno`: Why not C++?
10:59 sapier why not assembler?
10:59 Zeno` PenguinDad, not really required
10:59 Zeno` sapier, if there is a C API then assembler will work (cdecl assumed)
10:59 sapier there's no need for c api too
11:00 Zeno` I disagree, but I'm too new for my opinion to count :)
11:00 sapier the basic issues aren't a matter of language but engine design and that wont be fixed magicaly by doing it in c
11:04 asie sapier is correct
11:04 asie Lua is quite the fast language, especially with LuaJIT
11:10 Zeno` PenguinDad, basically because C++ (without templates and after compiled) is the same as C just with a pointer to the object plus maybe some pointers to member functions
11:11 Zeno` C is more like Lua than C++ is
11:12 Zeno` asie, LuaJIT is still about 10x slower than C
11:13 PenguinDad Zeno`: C can be slow too
11:13 Zeno` Lua is great for most things... I just don't know about mapgen and all those O(n^3) functions
11:14 Zeno` PenguinDad, I agree :)
11:14 markv Guests annoy me
11:15 sapier Zeno that's wrong in general, for some types of operation lua is as fast as c/c++
11:15 Zeno` sapier, I apologise. I was generalising.
11:15 sapier and mapgen issues aren't related to language but to exactly those enginge issues I mentioned
11:15 Zeno` bad habit of mine
11:15 PenguinDad Let's use Julia for noise functions
11:16 Zeno` Julia Sets?
11:16 sfan5 Zeno`: if C is too slow it is either bad programming, a bad compiler, bad compiler flags (-O0) or something really advanced (like video encoding)
11:16 PenguinDad Zeno`: http://julialang.org/
11:16 sfan5 ^ PenguinDad not Zeno`
11:16 sapier and yes in theory a mob done in c/c++ will be (slightly) faster but at cost of customizability and modability
11:18 asie Zeno`: 10x?
11:18 asie I'm sure otherwise
11:19 asie Even Java is only 1.5x slower than C in just about every single benchmark
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11:23 Zeno` looking for the reference I read only a week or so ago
11:24 Zeno` unfortunately benchmarks are hard to come by
11:28 Zeno` can't find it
11:29 Zeno` but 1.5^3 is 3.375... accounting for overhead I don't see a 10x degradation as impossible
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11:31 Zeno` anyway it doesn't matter :)
11:31 Zeno` 'cause it's not gonna happen heh
11:32 asie Zeno`: Pff.
11:33 asie http://benchmarksgame.alioth.debian.org/
11:34 Zeno` pff :)
11:34 Jordach pfft
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11:47 HatedByMost http://imgur.com/gallery/TzODf
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12:28 HatedByMost http://i.imgur.com/UugsXQR.jpg
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12:28 m5 Hi!
12:28 m5 ANyone else use Tor?
12:28 HatedByMost hi
12:29 Jordach_ ask the NSA
12:30 PilzAdam m5, lot of feds do
12:30 m5 Ikr
12:30 * m5 doesn't like tor
12:30 PilzAdam Jordach_, the NSA doesn't really know
12:31 markv Jordach_, /nick Jordach
12:32 Jordach BT be fucking with my connection again
12:32 markv Get the great ZNC
12:33 markv I have ZNC on the laptop next to me which is connected to 3g
12:33 markv And I connect to it with a crossover cable
12:33 markv Actually my ZNC is in germany but that would be cool anyway
12:34 Jordach do i have a Quassel Core? NO
12:39 FungusAdam uh oh
12:39 PenguinDad /nick MushroomAdam
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13:02 Jordach i shouldn't OTT raytracing
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13:02 Jordach i've now had to limit Blender's thread count
13:12 markv Jordach, What's the longest something's rendered?
13:12 Jordach uhm
13:13 Jordach you consider 24 hours for a single 16k masterpiece?
13:13 Jordach i woke up the next morning to check it and it fucking crashed in front of me
13:16 HatedByMost PilzAdam, do you have any idea why it's not possible to "jump" in carts when there are multiple players online?
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13:19 markv Longest for me is 9 hours
13:19 markv and a proposition of 16hrs which i kindly told to fuck off
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14:18 Megaf us`0gb; wow, you still here :)
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15:01 nman3600 Well?
15:01 nman3600 markv
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15:02 us`0gb Megaf: No, I was asleep. And now I'm off to work.
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15:19 nman3600 Hi Jordach
15:20 Jordach 500w PSU = warm motherfucking desktop
15:22 Jordach oh good, at least that new system fan actually cools my desktop
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15:39 Exio4 Jordach: i have a chinese 600w PSU
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16:29 Jordach i might have taught ecutruin the basics of blender :3
16:30 ecutruin In like no time either
16:37 Megaf !up minetest.megaf.info 30003
16:37 MinetestBot minetest.megaf.info:30003 is up (658ms)
16:38 Megaf weird, my server is consuming a lot of resources and theres no one online
16:39 Megaf yep, it used all memory
16:40 Megaf sapier; minetestserver consumed all available memory (2GB) is that expected?
16:40 HatedByMost Ctrl + C
16:40 Megaf That's a first for me
16:40 sapier not exactly ;-)
16:40 Megaf HatedByMost; did that, but it will take a while till the Linux Kernel put order in place
16:41 HatedByMost #linux
16:41 Megaf minetest@odroid-wheezy:~$ free -m
16:41 Megaf bash: fork: Cannot allocate memory
16:41 Megaf lol
16:41 sapier you're on plain linux x86 megaf?
16:42 Megaf plain Linux, standar Debian Wheezy yes
16:42 Megaf on ARM
16:42 Megaf :)
16:42 Megaf no screen
16:42 HatedByMost s/screen/GUI
16:43 sapier try using valgrind
16:43 Megaf well, the graphical manager and X were running
16:43 Megaf Im shutting them  down to free some memory
16:44 Megaf 51 MB free before, 78 now
16:44 Megaf its something
16:45 HatedByMost 8 people online - 176 MB ram used
16:45 Megaf time to create a temp swap
16:45 Megaf dd if=/dev/zero of=/SWAP.img bs=1M count=512
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16:46 Megaf HatedByMost; yep, first time it uses too much ram with my current configuration
16:47 HatedByMost Megaf, I never exceeded the 400 MB RAM usage.. I wonder what's happening on your machine
16:47 Megaf maybe some luacontroller
16:48 HatedByMost there's no active chunk at players = 0
16:48 Megaf and sometime some buggy clients just start to sink in the ground
16:48 HatedByMost check for force-loaded blocks
16:48 Megaf and fall to the infinite
16:48 Megaf that may make the server generate several chunks
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16:49 Piggybear87 Howdy folks!
16:50 Megaf Common Linux Kernel, I got some swap now, start to unload some ram already and put it on disk
16:50 Megaf 1 MB of swap used, whoah!
16:50 Megaf 2 now
16:50 Megaf server still shutting down]
16:50 HatedByMost Megaf, force loaded mapblocks will become force loaded again after the next sart, so you really sohuldcheck if there's a problem
16:51 HatedByMost *start
16:51 Megaf max_forceloaded_blocks = 12
16:51 Piggybear87 Ever since I started booting in recovery, I've had SOMETHING say "Fail", but it went too fast for me to see what it was. My Girlfriend said "is there a bug file?" So I looked for it and found boot.log. I Found this, and I was wondering if it's bad.
16:51 Piggybear87 * Starting SMB/CIFS File and Active Directory Server[74G[[31mfail[39;49m]
16:51 Megaf my problem may be here server_unload_unused_data_timeout = 21600
16:52 Megaf Piggybear87; that's something you don't need unless you use your Linux box as windows server
16:52 Piggybear87 Ah, OK. Then nothing else is wrong. Thanks! :)
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16:53 Megaf active directory is a windows service to provide contacts and accounts syncronization across services
16:54 Megaf HatedByMost; sapier; Ok, managed to shutdown minetestserver properly, now I have 1972MB of free ram
16:54 HatedByMost <Megaf>max_forceloaded_blocks = 12
16:54 HatedByMost https://github.com/minetest/minetest​/blob/master/src/defaultsettings.cpp
16:54 HatedByMost where?
16:54 Megaf so indeed, something wrong
16:55 HatedByMost that setting you told doesn't exist
16:55 Megaf sapier; did you remove that setting?
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16:59 HatedByMost protip: disable vsync first to make pause_fps_max useable
16:59 sapier no I didn't touch forceloading code ... nor will I
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17:00 Calinou CraigyDavi's signature says “My mods, texture packs and other stuff.”, it's exactly the text I used, heh
17:01 CraigyDavi Ah that's where I got the idea to put that in my signature from ;)
17:01 CraigyDavi I'll change it
17:06 Calinou it's OK
17:08 HatedByMost proller: if the math mapgen gets removed, then is here an unused default setting: https://github.com/minetest/minetest/bl​ob/master/src/defaultsettings.cpp#L262
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17:12 Jordach goddamn blue screens
17:12 Jordach they're like fucking unicorns on W8
17:12 Calinou system crashes become rarer and rarer on modern OS
17:14 HatedByMost wow. developers finally noticed BSoD and fix them
17:21 Megaf thisi s spaming my server log
17:21 Megaf 14:21:06: ACTION[ServerThread]:  tried to dig default:cactus at protected position (98,16,371)
17:21 PenguinDad HatedByMost: https://github.com/minetest/minetest/bl​ob/c4359ff65cd8e4e754442b9f2ef7051a8eaa​4241/builtin/game/forceloading.lua#L25
17:22 HatedByMost PenguinDad, interesting. seems like defaultsettings hasn't added everything
17:22 Megaf lol, thats my node brakers]
17:22 Calinou someone is into cacti, Megaf
17:22 Megaf whey they dont dig my cactus anymore?
17:22 HatedByMost ^
17:22 HatedByMost protection mods
17:22 Megaf it used to work
17:22 Jordach Megaf, there's a fake player doing the digging now
17:26 Megaf Ok, I replace all nodebreakers, now they work
17:27 Megaf reseted them
17:28 Calinou “resetted“ isn't a word, past tense is “reset”
17:29 john_minetest He wrote "reseted" and not "resetted" ;)
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17:30 Calinou anyone has a mod to remove torches when they're placed in a water? I presume an ABM could do this
17:32 ecutruin Thanks Jordach for the lesson, here's the result saved and uploaded - https://dl.dropboxuserconte​nt.com/u/53977587/Chest.gif
17:33 HatedByMost Y NO MT textures?
17:34 LemonLake because jordach does MC anims
17:34 Jordach HatedByMost, LemonLake: ecutruin is a well known MC modder
17:34 * HatedByMost mever playd MC
17:34 Jordach i just took him through the process that i learned from
17:34 * HatedByMost expects a possible fake-account
17:34 ecutruin Actually I'm working on trying to get animation support for MC.. so I needed experience with animation, which Jordach is very good at.
17:35 HatedByMost +1
17:35 ecutruin Now I've learned the basics, and it really did take long.
17:35 ecutruin TeamViewer is very handy for interractive learning.
17:35 Calinou they love to hear you use it, but only if you buy it
17:35 Calinou </TeamViewer jokes>
17:36 * ecutruin laughs.
17:36 HatedByMost TV is also good if you use the fre edition
17:36 ecutruin Yeah, I'm using the free edition.
17:36 Calinou what I mean is, their business model is fairly laughable at
17:36 HatedByMost true
17:37 ecutruin Yeah.. kinda.  But I'm sure large businesses would use it for remote tech support.
17:37 LemonLake Yes, but not the free version
17:37 LemonLake That's against the ToS
17:37 Jordach considering it took me about one minute to get helping :3
17:38 ecutruin Yeah.  All in all that was a good hour or so from basic model to fully UV mapped, rigged, and animated model.  I'd say for someone who NEVER touched Blender before, that's pretty awesome.  At least I'm happy.
17:39 ecutruin And, yeah, as a late response to the other comment, I'm the designer/artist of Ender Storage mod from MC.  But.. if you don't play MC.. yeah, I'm just a voxel artist.
17:45 Calinou become a Minetest modder :D
17:46 LemonLake I used to mod for MC.
17:46 * sfan5 meows at Calinou
17:46 LemonLake But with every forge update it just become more complicated so I gave up
17:46 * john_minetest gives sfan5 a <'((((--<
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17:48 ecutruin Lemon, yeah.. that's kind of my worry with starting to mod with MC again.  However, I've been assured by one of the devs (the one that's going to build this new animation system) that they should be able to make it rather painless for me to create content.  So I'm happy.
17:48 LemonLake I just want them to update their documentation. That's all.
17:48 ecutruin If It doesn't work out... MT looks like a pretty damn good alternative.
17:48 LemonLake I'll wait for the official modding API to come out before I go back to MC.
17:48 LemonLake In the meantime, MT is my time-spender.
17:49 Calinou “alternative” cough cough
17:50 LemonLake ecutruin is right, tho
17:50 ecutruin Calinou, to be fair.. MC is a bit ahead in what I can do..
17:50 LemonLake You designed the MC storage mod, right?
17:51 LemonLake Not made it?
17:51 Calinou depends if you're into writing thousand of line hacks
17:51 LemonLake If so, where can I find evidence on this? I'm just interested.
17:52 ecutruin LemonLake, download Ender Storage, and look at the creditS?
17:52 * sfan5 gives john_minetest a kitten
17:52 LemonLake Okay, I believe you then
17:52 ecutruin You could also take a look at the ForgeCraft wallpaper, I'm on that too.
17:54 ecutruin Ocelot skin. ^-^
17:54 LemonLake Oh nice :)
17:55 Jordach heck - i even made a proper rendering of ecutruin
17:55 john_minetest 1977 m/s!
17:56 john_minetest In KSP in atmosphere with air-breathing engines only
17:57 LemonLake Niiiiiiiice!
17:57 * ecutruin snickers.
17:57 ecutruin My one mod made me a big shot in the community I guess..
17:57 * ecutruin shrugs.
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18:00 luizrpgluiz hii
18:01 PenguinDad KSP == Kitten Space Program xD
18:02 luizrpgluiz hii
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18:02 PenguinDad EHLO luizrpgluiz
18:03 luizrpgluiz hi Penguin
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18:10 john_minetest PSSSSHEEEWW! https://cdn.mediacru.sh/RtpDMszYEOgB.png
18:11 john_minetest Air-breathing only.
18:13 Megaf I cant run KSP here
18:13 Megaf its fuc*ing 32 bit only
18:13 Megaf skype for linux is 32 bit too
18:13 Megaf I really cant understand that
18:14 Megaf using 32 bit now a days is like using 16 bit in windows xp
18:14 Kray wat
18:14 Kray you can run 32-bit software on a 64-bit system
18:14 sfan5 except it's hell with steam
18:14 Megaf but you gonna need to install several 32 bit libs
18:15 Kray also there is a 64-bit version of ksp
18:15 sfan5 it's complaining libc.so.6 is missing even if libc6:i386 is installed
18:15 Kray and boohoo, extra libraries
18:15 PenguinDad <PenguinDad> john_minetest: what else would you expect from M$?
18:16 PenguinDad ^ Megaf regarding skype
18:16 john_minetest KSP is 64-bit.
18:17 john_minetest At least for Linux.
18:18 Megaf I tried to run it here once and it wouldnt work
18:20 ecutruin Maybe they should be a bit less thin.. but otherwise I love it. <3
18:23 Exio4 https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bqqu36hCMAANuEQ.jpg
18:23 CraigyDavi RBA's shaders seems to have made things too bright
18:24 CraigyDavi To the left is with the new shaders, to the right is without them https://cdn.mediacru.sh/wB9R48FL6MZQ.png
18:24 sfan5 Exio4: dem photoshop skillz
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18:24 CraigyDavi It's blindingly bright
18:25 Megaf wheres the 64 bit of KSP? https://kerbalspaceprogram.com/demo.php
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18:25 PenguinDad CraigyDavi: which new shaders?
18:26 PenguinDad s/shaders/shadars/
18:26 Calinou it's not like it deserves being played
18:26 CraigyDavi PenguinDad, https://github.com/minetest/minetest/commit/6c98fd
18:27 CraigyDavi Here's another pic, to the left is the new shaders
18:27 CraigyDavi https://cdn.mediacru.sh/QTfimTMApNu_.png
18:28 sfan5 CraigyDavi: I think left just has a different color
18:28 sfan5 compare the grass & the pole
18:28 sfan5 I think the colors on the left are much nicer
18:29 CraigyDavi Well the grass and the pole are not light sources
18:29 CraigyDavi It just seems that the light sources are much brighter
18:29 sfan5 you're talking about light sources? oh
18:30 sfan5 maybe the color was just corrected
18:30 PenguinDad CraigyDavi: I think this might be caused by a0f78659f31abdce973bc6641b5b5a58f2ba9afc
18:30 sfan5 try comparing the actual color with the color in the texture
18:31 CraigyDavi Ah yes, you're probably right, PenguinDad
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18:33 Jordach you know those moments when i get a creepy ass face and not a non-creepy one, this time, i got a stupidly funny one
18:33 Jordach https://cdn.mediacru.sh/fzK9JmHqZhDA.png
18:35 diemartin that's actually nice
18:35 Jordach kaeza, i'm literally laughing because this line makes it perfect: "does this look like the face of mercy?"
18:36 kaeza plol
18:36 Jordach things not to do in blender: shit yourself!
18:36 * kaeza throws https://cdn.mediacru.sh/9_cECdSR5HyA.png into the channel and runs
18:37 PenguinDad kaeza: that's the OS of the future!
18:37 Kray Megaf: the 64-bit executable comes in the same package
18:38 Jordach fun fact: Windows 3.1 is immune to all current windows malware
18:38 Megaf Ok, I'm downloading it
18:38 Kray i have KSP.x86 and KSP.x86_64
18:38 Kray and KSP.exe
18:38 Megaf Jordach; I'm not sure, there are a lib for windows 3.x that enable it to run 32 bit apps
18:39 Megaf Kray; ouch, you are one of those persons who still using windows?
18:39 Kray wat
18:39 sfan5 >Kray >using windows
18:39 sfan5 as if :D
18:39 Kray i use windows at work
18:39 Megaf ah, so you use Linux, you said KSP.exe...
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18:40 Calinou is it possible to make players collide with each other?
18:41 Calinou I'd like that, especially when pvp is on
18:41 Megaf That would never work on the current minetest state
18:41 sfan5 LemonLake: before you ask, yes it's me
18:41 Megaf it's just way to laggy and unresponsive
18:41 Jordach <- still uses windows due to UEFI stuff
18:41 * Megaf throws Debian 64 bit at Jordach
18:41 Megaf and Fedora
18:41 Jordach not because i can't go legacy, just because i still want my goddamn ability to control system fans
18:41 Megaf they support UEFI
18:41 sfan5 Jordach: linux works perfectly fine with uefi
18:42 Calinou <Megaf> it's just way to laggy and unresponsive
18:42 Calinou why not?
18:42 sfan5 depending on distro
18:42 Calinou I think it used to be in some old version
18:42 sfan5 but fedora, [xkl]?ubuntu and linux mint work IIRC
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18:43 Megaf KSP runs really slow on my PC =/
18:43 Megaf unplayable
18:43 PenguinDad Debian and Fedora work perfectly with UEFI
18:43 Megaf yep, they work fine with EFI on macs too
18:44 Megaf (my case)
18:44 Calinou all distros work OK with UEFI motherboards, these days
18:44 Calinou Debian, Ubuntu, Fedora, Arch all have ways
18:46 Megaf yay! KSP works now a days!
18:51 LemonLake Krock, you need some sort of whois thing on your serevr
18:51 LemonLake server*
18:51 LemonLake so we can get player's ips and stuff
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18:56 john_minetest We have player's ips.
18:57 john_minetest Calinou: They work fine, but it is ugly to configure.
18:57 john_minetest UEFI needs a special partition and a special bootloader.
18:57 john_minetest Working with legacy BIOS here.
18:59 HatedByMost LemonLake, could you say "Krock," again plz? It didn't highlightme
18:59 HatedByMost :P
18:59 LemonLake You're renamed.
18:59 LemonLake HatedByMost: you need a whois on your server to get player ips etc
18:59 HatedByMost why would I need to get IPs?
18:59 HatedByMost ban gets them
19:00 LemonLake to do things like geoip
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19:00 LemonLake multi-user checking
19:00 LemonLake etc
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19:03 HatedByMost aha
19:05 Calinou "Code cleanup, added beds by PilzAdam, added player respawn sounds.
19:05 Calinou john_minetest, I boot in BIOS mode too, with GPT partition (hey, Windows can't do that)
19:06 john_minetest Yep, also GPT here, iirc.
19:06 HatedByMost cool. I did the name (Code cleanup)
19:06 john_minetest Btw, linux was the first OS to support USB 3.0 :D
19:06 Calinou and 4096 CPU cores, probably
19:07 john_minetest http://xkcd.com/619/
19:07 john_minetest :D
19:07 Exio4 [15:57:21] <john_minetest> UEFI needs a special partition and a special bootloader.
19:07 Exio4 never needed anything like that
19:07 Exio4 my mobo supports GPT/UEFI
19:07 Exio4 i use it without problems
19:07 john_minetest I have to create a small partition with special content so UEFI will work.
19:07 sfan5 john_minetest: linux was also the first OS to support usb 2.0 IIRC
19:08 HatedByMost +1 john_minetest
19:08 Exio4 i don't have any small partition, UEFI works
19:08 john_minetest Also I need gummiboot or some crap.
19:08 * sfan5 throws gummi at john_minetest
19:08 john_minetest I want my isolinux
19:08 HatedByMost GUMMIBOOT :D
19:09 john_minetest HatedByMost, sfan5: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E9oBzuR8sIk
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19:10 sfan5 !title
19:10 MinetestBot sfan5: ein knall rotes gummiboot - YouTube
19:10 PenguinDad john_minetest: it's knallrot isn
19:10 HatedByMost xD
19:10 PenguinDad +'t it
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19:11 john_minetest I heard that song about 9 years ago.
19:11 * sfan5 throws an u-boot at john_minetest
19:12 john_minetest ER HAT EIN KNALL ROTES GUMMIBOOT!
19:12 * john_minetest throws a herd, a hird and a hurd of GNUs at sfan5
19:13 * sfan5 throws debian hurd at john_minetest
19:14 * john_minetest throws an arch hurd at sfan5
19:14 sfan5 that's no longer maintained
19:14 john_minetest Yeah. You are slowed down by old code.
19:14 * john_minetest chokes sfan5 with his archlinux-arm
19:15 sfan5 my raspi runs archlinux arm
19:15 * PenguinDad throws a rainbow Gummiboot john_minetest
19:17 john_minetest "Hey, do cd ../../../../../../../../../../../../../../. Get on my level." ;D
19:18 PenguinDad john_minetest: you should print that on a shirt
19:18 HatedByMost john_minetest, cd /
19:19 john_minetest Maybe "Do 'cd /'. Get on my level." would be even better.
19:19 john_minetest Or " ~/, sweet ~/ "
19:20 HatedByMost this guy has much cpu and gpu power: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7aTmIP13goU
19:20 PenguinDad !title
19:20 MinetestBot PenguinDad: Minecarts!? - YouTube
19:22 * PenguinDad executes "set hbling"
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19:31 PilzAdam john_minetest, cd ././././././././. to get on my level
19:32 * sfan5 grounds PilzAdam
19:32 * PilzAdam throws :(){ :|:& at sfan5
19:33 * sfan5 forks away
19:34 john_minetest cd . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . to get on MY level
19:34 Calinou cd -
19:35 john_minetest bash: cd: OLDPWD not set
19:36 sfan5 john_minetest: are you seriously using bash?
19:36 john_minetest bash ftw!
19:37 * sfan5 throws zsh at john_minetest
19:37 john_minetest The only true shell
19:37 sfan5 zsh FTW!
19:37 john_minetest zsh is annoying.
19:37 sfan5 why?
19:38 john_minetest The one that is included in arch iso has an ugly config.
19:38 sfan5 THEN CHANGE THE CONFIG!
19:38 sfan5 meow :3
19:38 john_minetest Nah.
19:38 * kaeza slaps sfan5 with command.com
19:39 kaeza yes, not even cmd.exe
19:39 Calinou you need to cd at lest once, john_minetest
19:39 john_minetest Also GNU GPL is the only real license
19:39 kaeza :D
19:39 Calinou GNU AGPL :p
19:39 john_minetest MIT!
19:39 Calinou may be good for mods
19:39 john_minetest MIT ftw
19:40 PenguinDad zlib/libpng ftw
19:41 Calinou zlib is a saner WTFPL, same for MIT
19:43 john_minetest MIT is awesome.
19:43 john_minetest It is a bit cooler than zlib.
19:44 john_minetest zlib is cooler than BSD though
19:44 HatedByMost DBAD is non-free but nice too
19:45 john_minetest I like my own non-free license:
19:45 john_minetest (c) ALL RIGHTS RESERVED, DO NOT DISTRIBUTE, YOU ONLY HAVE THE PERMISSION TO EXECUTE THIS PROGRAM, IT IS FORBIDDEN TO MODIFY THE PROGRAM. ALL HAIL THE PROGRAMMER, ME!
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19:48 Calinou you don't have permission to execute this program*
19:48 Calinou HatedByMost, DBAD sucks
19:48 Calinou it's a dick
19:48 sfan5 john_minetest: if your program is special the linux kernel itself may modify it while it's run
19:48 Calinou john_minetest, zlib is better at not letting people confuse others
19:48 HatedByMost it actually is. and language is ignored
19:49 * sfan5 flips HatedByMost
19:50 * Jordach flips Krock
19:50 Krock .
19:50 Krock flipped and flopped
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19:54 Krock wtf? .ogg is also video?
19:54 john_minetest The wikipeida site about the "multivibrator" was blocked at our school.
19:54 john_minetest Krock: ogg is only a container.
19:54 Jordach >Zoom is the ability to expand a subset of the picture; we humans have no such ability. Well, I take that back; we do: we just get up off the couch and walk up closer to what we want to see
19:54 Jordach <3 Blender wiki
19:54 john_minetest Krock: It can hold vorbis or theora.
19:55 Krock john_minetest, thought, it's just audio... thx
19:55 john_minetest Matroska seems to be better than ogg though
19:56 PilzAdam is "ALL HAIL THE PROGRAMMER" in the licence GPL GNU/compatible?
19:57 Krock GNU is the center of the world
19:57 Krock *cough*
19:57 Jordach nothing GNU, justa bunch of techhie hippies
19:57 Jordach that is GNU in a nutshell
20:00 Calinou Krock, .ogv is more often used
20:00 Calinou .oga could be used for audio, but very few people do that
20:07 sfan5 john_minetest: wrong, ogg can hold opus too
20:07 Krock life is life nananana
20:07 sfan5 Jordach: https://rms.sexy/
20:07 Jordach pfft
20:08 Jordach i don't see the point in open source considering the UEFI is locked down
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20:20 Calinou that makes no sense
20:20 Calinou UEFI could be made not so locked down if motherboard manufacturers played well with the community; of course, they don't
20:20 sfan5] Jordach: UEFI is not locked down at all, your BIOS is locked down by default
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20:25 Calinou both are too locked currently
20:26 sfan5] both = UEFI and BIOS?
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20:41 ExcaliburZero Currently LemonLake and I are working on this Minetest mod website, and we were wondering if any of you have any ideas of how to make the design more Minetest themed:
20:41 ExcaliburZero http://excaliburzero.github​.io/minetest-mod-recorder/
20:42 Krock needs more mods
20:42 Krock style is fine
20:42 PenguinDad ExcaliburZero: A green colour tone would fit minetest better imo
20:43 sfan5 GREEN!
20:44 PenguinDad !neerg
20:44 sfan5 !rev !neerg
20:44 MinetestBot green!
20:44 LemonLake Green.
20:44 LemonLake I'll do green then.
20:44 Calinou sfan5, yes
20:44 ExcaliburZero Green sounds good.
20:44 Krock ah yes. the on_hover effect for links is too bright color
20:45 Calinou green is the Minetest colour
20:45 Calinou be gentle on hover colour
20:45 Calinou also, how about More Blocks and Map Tools? :p
20:45 Krock how about airsword?
20:45 markv reggin
20:46 ExcaliburZero I'll be sure to add more mods soon.
20:46 ExcaliburZero It is also on GitHub, with the website being here:
20:46 ExcaliburZero https://github.com/ExcaliburZero/m​inetest-mod-recorder/tree/gh-pages
20:47 ExcaliburZero And the scripts to make the html file here:
20:47 ExcaliburZero https://github.com/Excalibu​rZero/minetest-mod-recorder
20:47 LemonLake Working on the color pallete
20:47 Calinou palette, 1 l and 2 t
20:48 LemonLake Maybe I could use the grass texture for the headings.
20:48 diemartin "pallete" is valid english AFAIK
20:49 Calinou the less images you use, the better it is
20:49 LemonLake It's just one image.
20:49 Calinou diemartin, my spell check (English and French) says it's a typo
20:49 Calinou LemonLake, still more than 0 :P
20:49 Calinou lenghtens load time, bad for high-dpi devices and zoom users
20:49 * Calinou is updating MCE to work nice with the latest version of Minetest
20:50 * sfan5 is meowing
20:52 PenguinDad "Meintest, Deintest, Unsertest!" german minetest song xD
20:53 sfan5 PenguinDad: you forgot "Euertest!"
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20:59 PenguinDad sfan5: that's only the title of the song
20:59 Krock ExcaliburZero, it's not about styling but - could you make categories?
21:00 ExcaliburZero Krock: Do you mean listing mods by categories?
21:00 Krock exactly.
21:00 LemonLake Yep, I'm gonna make a JS to do that
21:00 Krock sfan5 ^
21:00 LemonLake Actually, ExcaliburZero you any good with JS?
21:01 sfan5 Krock: hm?
21:01 Krock JavaScript
21:01 ExcaliburZero No, unfortunately, I don't know much Javascript.
21:01 sfan5 and?
21:01 sfan5 I'm probably not going to do that
21:01 Krock waith...I thought you don't like it
21:01 LemonLake Okay then, I'm happy to try my hand at making it
21:01 sfan5 ExcaliburZero: JS is easy
21:01 Krock nvm then
21:01 LemonLake I'm good with JS, its just the concept that may take time
21:03 LemonLake https://mediacru.sh/kdcd6DnEx_Fc
21:03 LemonLake Hows that?
21:03 sfan5 LemonLake +1 for that design
21:04 Calinou looks bad, LemonLake
21:04 Krock -1 for no complete green background
21:04 Calinou hard to read, ugly, image-using
21:04 Krock xD
21:04 LemonLake Well at least tell me how to improve it
21:04 Calinou the data visualization is poor
21:05 LemonLake That's not fault of mine
21:05 Calinou (tip: use colours, bold, italic, underline appropriately)
21:05 LemonLake Oh I see
21:05 Calinou Krock, dark background is ideal: easier on the eyes
21:05 Calinou many people think web pages should be pieces of paper though :phoronix rolleyes:
21:05 Krock Calinou, dark BG also makes eyes tired
21:05 LemonLake dark bg looks better with brighter text (not just white) but bigger fonts
21:07 jp__ Coloured backgrounds may have disastrous results on some (old) screens. The universal background is white. And Google has studied it.
21:08 LemonLake +jp__
21:08 Krock google studies everything
21:09 LemonLake even us
21:09 Krock night'
21:12 Calinou <Krock> Calinou, dark BG also makes eyes tired
21:12 Calinou it's probably the inverse, if the text is not too contrasted
21:13 Calinou “The universal background is white.” → screens use additive, not substractive
21:13 Calinou RGB, not CMYK
21:13 Calinou Google studies also thing privacy is irrelevant \o/
21:15 PilzAdam if white is too bright for you, make the screen more red
21:15 LemonLake ^
21:16 PilzAdam http://en.wikipedia.org/wi​ki/Redshift_%28software%29
21:16 jp__ Anyway, white isn't a W3C standard by hasard...
21:16 jp__ This is the least random color.
21:17 ExcaliburZero For the headings with the grass texture could you try making the white into a brown?
21:17 LemonLake Hmm
21:18 ExcaliburZero To specify, the white background not the white text,
21:18 LemonLake Yeah I know what you're saying
21:24 Jordach TIL Terraria has a decent finite water system
21:24 LemonLake I like it, it's unique.
21:24 LemonLake More realistic than MT.
21:26 PenguinDad why would you even need finite water?
21:32 Exio4 redshift is freaking amazing
21:32 Exio4 i don't think i could live without redshift
21:33 PilzAdam Exio4, I think you could
21:34 Exio4 my life is 500% better after using redshift
21:38 Exio4 after using redshift, i can finally use my computer at night without killing my eyes
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21:41 sfan5 Exio4: >wanting to use the computer at night
21:41 * PenguinDad needs blueshift
21:41 * sfan5 meows at PenguinDad
21:43 PenguinDad My eyes actually hurt from low temperature light
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21:50 * sfan5 goes to sleep :3 ~~
21:59 LemonLake That's a new quit message.
22:00 LemonLake Unless it's not a real one.
22:00 sfan5 if it were real there would be no "Quit: " in front of it
22:00 LemonLake Ah
22:00 * sfan5 goes back to sleep
22:00 LemonLake What is the point of making it look like that though?
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22:00 sfan5 there's no point
22:00 LemonLake Exactly.
22:00 * sfan5 goes back to sleep again
22:02 PilzAdam sfan5, there is one at the end
22:03 sfan5 not funny
22:03 LemonLake tryin to find a good anime to get into
22:03 LemonLake finished hyouka, finished kokoro
22:04 sfan5 LemonLake: I have two you should _not_ watch: Date a Live II, Black Bullet
22:05 LemonLake are they bad?
22:05 sfan5 basically yes
22:05 LemonLake aight
22:06 LemonLake will remember
22:08 sfan5 LemonLake: if you haven't seen Mirai Nikki, watch that; if xyz were here he'd recommend you to watch Jinrui wa Suitai Shimashita
22:08 MinetestBot GIT: Sapier at GMX dot net commited to minetest/minetest: Fix uncought deserialization error on receiving data a0097c6 2014-06-22T00:05:41+02:00 http://git.io/dYwywA
22:08 MinetestBot GIT: Sapier at GMX dot net commited to minetest/minetest: Fix server assert in case of invalid message from client, just kick that client. f8522d5 2014-06-21T23:56:46+02:00 http://git.io/vdm_jA
22:09 LemonLake Looking at the synopsis it sounds interesting.
22:09 LemonLake I'll check it out later.
22:10 sfan5 LemonLake: here are some more: Fullmetal Alchemist, Kill la Kill, Noragami, Suisei no Gargantia
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22:10 * sfan5 now really goes to sleep
22:11 LemonLake I don't watch them that fast :p
22:12 * Jordach MEOWS AT sfan5
22:20 john_minetest Jordach: UEFI sucks
22:20 MinetestBot GIT: Sapier at GMX dot net commited to minetest/minetest: Support for scalable font and gui elements d4245e6 2014-06-22T00:08:55+02:00 http://git.io/0PQC8w
22:20 john_minetest coreboot is much cooler.
22:21 john_minetest UEFI is a big security risk and SecureBoot doesn't only block spyware, it also blocks non-Windows OS.
22:31 PenguinDad Good night everypony!
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22:52 Miner_48er worldedit what's the cmd to unhide?
22:53 LemonLake you mean hide the selection?
22:53 Miner_48er unhide the selection
22:53 LemonLake did you hide it with unmark?
22:53 Miner_48er no //hide
22:54 LemonLake ahh i see
22:55 LemonLake i think if you just unmark it
22:56 Miner_48er no
22:57 Miner_48er just hides the markers
23:01 Miner_48er /restore
23:01 LemonLake ah
23:05 LemonLake omg
23:05 LemonLake mirai nikki is so awesome
23:06 LemonLake it sorta tips the hat to people nowadays
23:06 LemonLake 'your phone is your life'
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23:25 LemonLake MANIAC
23:32 LemonLake sfan5: that anime is simply amazing. thanks so much :D
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