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00:28 Megaf_ Hi all, unifiend inventroy is crashing my server eventually
00:28 Megaf_ http://paste.debian.net/104730/
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00:47 MC42 What entities can I summon?
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01:51 Megaf_ I'm a bad castle designer, meh
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02:41 Piggybear87 OldCoder!!! The server crashed and I have stuff that have been in my bones for an hour.
02:42 Piggybear87 I have almost 1,000,000CR worth of stuff in there and it's probably all lost now...
02:42 OldCoder Hi!!
02:42 OldCoder Not necessarily!
02:42 OldCoder Hang on
02:43 OldCoder Minetest did not crash
02:43 OldCoder It may still be running. This is a network problem. It is the reason my hardware is moving.
02:43 Piggybear87 I was on for an hour+ and I randomly timed out.
02:43 OldCoder Which is this weekend BTW. Things may be down a day or two and then faster and more stable.
02:43 OldCoder See above
02:44 OldCoder Texting my host
02:45 Piggybear87 Yeah, I'm about -5000 I was about to click on my bones and boom....out!
02:46 OldCoder Might be O.K.
02:46 OldCoder It *will* be down for a few hours in the coming days
02:46 OldCoder That I may back up the entire system; not just Minetest
02:47 Piggybear87 I know. If I can get my stuff I'm OK. Lol.
02:47 OldCoder Host usually gets back to me within an hour. If he's fallen asleep it could be all night. We'll see.
02:48 Piggybear87 An hour may be too long... I hope I get my stuff back.
02:49 Megaf_ OldCoder; Why don't you disable bones?
02:50 Piggybear87 I for one like bones, as long as I can get it back, that is.
02:50 Megaf_ well, on Megaf Server you keep your inventory with you when you die
02:51 Piggybear87 It adds a challenge to the game. The only thing that makes bones non enjoyable is network problems.
02:54 Piggybear87 What happened to the auto restart script?
02:55 Piggybear87 Right, right, network, not Minetest.
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02:59 thursday more people here than I expected
03:00 Piggybear87 Only 98. I've seen over 150.
03:04 Piggybear87 !up minetest.org 30011
03:04 MinetestBot minetest.org:30011 seems to be down
03:04 Piggybear87 I've lost my stuff...
03:06 OldCoder Megaf_, the players can decide.
03:07 OldCoder Piggybear87, see above. I explained this.
03:07 OldCoder It isn't a Minetest crash or problem
03:07 OldCoder It is a network problem and I'm moving my data center because of it.
03:07 OldCoder The move comes in a few days. Finally, I'm told, several months late.
03:07 Piggybear87 I know... But I worked so damn hard for that stuff...
03:07 OldCoder Piggybear87, let's wait and see
03:08 OldCoder Is there some sort of fixup I should do to help?
03:08 OldCoder Pull your stuff out of data files or something?
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03:08 OldCoder I can't phone my host directly tonight. It's too late in his time zone.
03:08 Piggybear87 I don't know. I've never had this problem, not for this long at least.
03:08 OldCoder I explained the duration
03:09 OldCoder The network is down
03:09 Piggybear87 I know. I'm not an idiot.
03:09 * OldCoder sighs
03:09 Piggybear87 I'm sorry if that sounded rude.
03:09 OldCoder Piggybear87, it is time for you to understand something
03:09 OldCoder Please listen quite clearly. And I'll state this publicly for the benefit of others.
03:09 OldCoder
03:10 OldCoder I'm different. We're all different. But I'm quite literal. I write poems about kitties and cows but I *am* different...
03:10 OldCoder I listen to what people say
03:10 OldCoder I respond to it
03:10 OldCoder To what they say exactly
03:10 OldCoder Then they are pissed because I did so
03:10 OldCoder I am rather tired of it after five decades
03:10 OldCoder
03:10 OldCoder If you make statements that are contradictory
03:10 OldCoder Or are consistent
03:10 OldCoder I am going to try to sort them out
03:11 OldCoder In this event, you said something
03:11 OldCoder which indicated you did *not* understand the nature of the outage
03:11 OldCoder This is a fact
03:11 OldCoder If you *did* understand the nature of the outage
03:11 OldCoder I still needed to respond to what you said
03:11 OldCoder As I do not read minds
03:11 OldCoder I have spent days trying to help *you* in particular
03:11 OldCoder You personally
03:11 OldCoder When I should have been looking for a job
03:11 OldCoder It is kindly requested
03:12 OldCoder That you ease up
03:12 OldCoder Thank-You
03:12 OldCoder Done
03:12 OldCoder
03:15 thursday eeek
03:18 * OldCoder laughs out loud
03:18 Piggybear87 I understand this, OldCoder. I didn't mean to make you mad, offend you, or annoy you in any way. I really didn't mean for that to come out rude in any way. I know you've help me a lot, and I appreciate that, I truly do. I just tried to answer your question. You asked if I know how to fix this, and I said no because I've never had this happen, for this long. I understand that this is network, not your machine or Minetest. I am truly sorry if I did
03:18 Piggybear87 offended you though. You are a nice and helpful guy, and I would hate to make you mad.
03:18 OldCoder I think we should cease in public
03:19 OldCoder It was simply a straw on the camel's back. I did spend about 2 weeks getting a cross-build framework to work, you know.
03:19 OldCoder Put the matter aside
03:19 Vazon OldCoder is the servers down?
03:19 OldCoder Heh
03:19 OldCoder See the, um, remarks above
03:19 OldCoder
03:19 Vazon are the*
03:19 OldCoder Not the Minetest part; the network
03:19 OldCoder It's the reason for the data-center move
03:20 OldCoder Which is now scheduled for this weekend or thereabouts after several months delay
03:20 OldCoder I've texted and emailed my host
03:20 OldCoder I can't phone him because he's probably just gone to bed
03:20 OldCoder
03:21 OldCoder I'm quite pleased at how the worlds have been going
03:21 OldCoder The decision to switch to _games as opposed to global mods helped
03:21 OldCoder
03:21 Piggybear87 LevelDB helps also.
03:22 OldCoder I had that last year
03:22 Vazon yes, i just wish mine and landrush time outs would be fixed, marks server doesnt have people timing out like landrush and mine
03:22 OldCoder Now I think curl is debugged
03:22 OldCoder Vazon, well, suggestions are welcome. The preloaded client should help.
03:22 OldCoder Or do you mean
03:22 OldCoder timeouts during the game? If so, what is the cause?
03:22 Piggybear87 On LandRush just got swapped to LevelDB you said.
03:22 OldCoder Yes
03:23 Vazon well people cant get in landrush and mine, but marks is jsut fine idk why since they are all run the same
03:23 OldCoder His world is quite small
03:23 OldCoder Compared to the big two
03:23 OldCoder Correct?
03:23 Vazon true
03:23 OldCoder Try again; you need to see...
03:23 OldCoder if there is a general pattern
03:23 OldCoder And if there is, ought to compare to similar worlds
03:24 OldCoder Talk to the devs about this
03:24 OldCoder Be polite; how would they know what it is? Need to gather information
03:24 OldCoder It is worth the effort. This remains a really promising project.
03:24 OldCoder
03:25 Vazon im thinking a mod that me and landrush both use that marks does not and maby 0.4.9 dev doesnt support that mod or something.
03:25 Piggybear87 If it helps, this is what my Terminal said when it shut down/lost connection.
03:25 OldCoder For my part, look... I've debugged curl setup, made a fast cross-browser, built a huge preload cache, installed luajit, and I run an octocore with piles of RAM... what more can I do?
03:25 Piggybear87 23:24:26: ERROR[ConnectionSend]: con(13/0)RunTimeouts(): Peer 1 has timed out. (source=peer->timeout_counter)
03:26 Vazon Piggy that just means your no longer in the server
03:26 OldCoder I'll be happy to install debug code
03:26 OldCoder either in mods or in the core
03:26 OldCoder Go speak politely to the devs when they are available
03:26 OldCoder Ask for suggestions about what to look for
03:26 OldCoder
03:26 Piggybear87 And I noticed that every time I lag out and my whole machine locks up I get that same message.
03:27 OldCoder Yes but I believe it's indicative of a symptom
03:27 OldCoder Not diagnostic of the problem
03:28 OldCoder Back in 5
03:28 OldCoder
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03:38 OldCoder Bach
03:38 OldCoder was a favorite composer
03:45 Piggybear87 !up minetest.org 30011
03:46 MinetestBot minetest.org:30011 seems to be down
03:48 OldCoder Piggybear87, I am truly regretful
03:48 OldCoder But it is now close to midnight in my host's time zone. He is probably asleep.
03:48 OldCoder It will probably at least seven hours.
03:48 OldCoder * be at least
03:49 OldCoder
03:49 Piggybear87 It's OK. What's weird is in Terminal, when I ping minetest.org I average 150, but when I add port 30011 I get nothing.
03:49 OldCoder Amaz, Fishy Wet asked me to update Lord of the Test. I will do so when the server is back.
03:49 OldCoder Piggybear87, not weird. I will explain.
03:49 Piggybear87 He must live in my timezone then.
03:49 OldCoder He is Eastern
03:49 Piggybear87 As am I.
03:49 OldCoder Piggybear87, you are pinging a gateway
03:50 OldCoder The machine itself is behind firewall hardware etc.
03:50 OldCoder The network behind the gateway is down
03:50 OldCoder
03:50 OldCoder This has been an issue for months. It is one of the reasons for the move; as I have said. Plus the new setup is said to be larger and will allow for expansion.
03:51 Piggybear87 So, is this place like a server farm with racks and racks of machines?
03:53 * Piggybear87 knows if he owned a place like ^, he would have a clusterfuk of Server of all different themes. :)
03:53 Piggybear87 servers*
03:55 Piggybear87 Like, is it a place like this? http://www.itrw.net/blog/server_spaghetti_4.jpg
03:57 Piggybear87 Because that's what Piggybear87 thinks when he hears/reads data center. Lol.
04:00 Piggybear87 Did everyone poof into thin air?
04:00 Vazon i started a test server just to see if  can figure out if its mods or something else
04:09 Piggybear87 Vazon, Well, this problem is network, not his machine, or Minetest.
04:09 Vazon yes i know, atm im seeing about timeouts
04:10 Piggybear87 Oh.
04:10 Piggybear87 Timeouts are usually network related.
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04:23 Vazon Piggy no this time its mod related, people are still timing out on my server hosted by me and that s not the case in oldcoders term because marks server is just fine. people dont time out on there
04:27 Vazon Piggybear87 you still there
04:27 Piggybear87 Yes sir. Whatcha need?
04:28 Vazon try to connect to my test server
04:29 Piggybear87 OK, but I will be slow. I have the baby in my arm so I only have one left. Lol. IP/Port?
04:30 Vazon its onthe list
04:30 Piggybear87 OK.
04:30 Vazon Minerealms test server
04:31 kaeza https://forum.minetest.net/vi​ewtopic.php?p=144828#p144828 <-- just wat
04:34 VanessaE ehm
04:34 VanessaE and thus the "default" name once again shows that it was bad idea :)
04:37 kaeza "I'm too lazy to change a single line in a mod to make it fit with the rest of my game, so I'll just randomly spew two whole walls of text with crappy arguments just for the sake of it"
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04:41 * kaeza is a bit pissed off today; apologies
05:06 VanessaE why pissed off?
05:07 * VanessaE is pissed off at the master server list.
05:07 VanessaE why are we still sorting by number of users instead of something more fair?!?
05:09 Vazon Piggybear87 why do you like that so much?
05:10 Piggybear87 I don't know. Probably because I've never seen it.
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05:10 Vazon lol you can do it on my main server when ever its up
05:11 Piggybear87 I don't think I will. It's lagging bad on my end.
05:11 Vazon thats the server( this server isnt ment to do this) lol
05:11 Piggybear87 Oh. Lol.
05:12 Vazon once the water stops flowing the lag should stop as well
05:12 Piggybear87 Yeah, it was good until we started it.
05:13 Vazon yea this server can handle 35-50 people
05:13 Vazon just cant handle this xD
05:15 Piggybear87 Lol.
05:17 Piggybear87 My graphics card can't handle all of the simi-transparent.
05:20 Piggybear87 I say we melt it... Lol.
05:21 thursday Is there one main minetest server?.. I just perused the server list, on the forum first and then in the client.
05:22 thursday and begun hanging it in the first one that allowed me interact priviliges and didn't take 20mins to load the scenery.
05:23 Vazon Piggybear87 place the lava and run xD
05:25 Vazon umm we may have made it worse hehe
05:25 Piggybear87 Lol.
05:26 kaeza <VanessaE> why are we still sorting by number of users instead of something more fair?!?
05:26 kaeza +1
05:26 kaeza random order?
05:27 Vazon yes number is not fair because the top server will get the most players. I know because my server was up at the top months ago
05:28 Vazon piggy go inside the ice under the lava, that would make a great home lol
05:29 kaeza hmm...
05:30 Piggybear87 Too much lag. I was trying to make the lava flow through the center.
05:30 Vazon lol
05:31 Vazon Kaeza why not jsut ditch the server list and make it like minecraftservers.org the top server with the most votes that is the number one and regiester players can vote 1 time only so not spaming vote?
05:33 Piggybear87 MAy be hard to do. Well, for me.
05:33 Piggybear87 May*
05:33 VanessaE kaeza: I was thinking the lag combined with the age and a weighted value attached to alpha order
05:34 VanessaE (so that roughly equal-rated servers get listed more or less alphabetically, but the best-rated ones end up high on the list)
05:35 Vazon VanessaE that still isnt all fair
05:35 Piggybear87 I like the lag idea. lowest lag= highest spot. It may even vary because the top servers will get lagged down from lots of players.
05:36 Piggybear87 Alright Vazon, that was fun, but the lag is killing me. :)
05:36 Vazon what if its a old server no lag  but no one playes it, but its at the top for ever
05:36 Vazon xD ok
05:36 VanessaE Vazon: it's more fair than listing it by number of players
05:36 Vazon yes but still not fair, i like my idea
05:36 VanessaE ok then four variables.
05:36 Vazon that will put the well like servers on the top
05:37 Vazon then we can put your lag idea in there
05:37 VanessaE weighted vote * weighted alpha order * lag amount * age (with a cap at say 7 days)
05:37 Vazon sounds like a great idea
05:37 VanessaE easily calculated by even the slowest hardware
05:37 thursday why don't you display all those in columns, and allow the user to sort it to their own preferences?
05:37 Piggybear87 I like random also. That way every server gets a chance at top, and to get play.
05:37 VanessaE and by the simplest of programming languages
05:38 thursday I guess you still need a default. :/
05:38 VanessaE thursday: exactly.
05:38 * Piggybear87 can't wait till saturday.
05:38 Vazon i think the way VanessaE said would work best
05:39 VanessaE the result of the vote*alpha*lag*age could just be called "Rating" or "Score" or something else
05:40 Vazon Vanessa maby add once you hit 25-50 players your server gets kicked till you get lower players to let other servers have a chance?
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05:45 Piggybear87 I'm making a formal request to modders everywhere. Please put your mod in a folder that doesn't need to be renamed. That step is a pain if you forget to do it... Lol.
05:49 VanessaE Piggybear87: impossible to do for github ZIP archives
05:49 VanessaE (for the actual cloneable repo, easily done and I agree with you)
05:50 Piggybear87 Anyone know why a computer wouldn't start? Well, it starts but there's no video, like, at all. No post or anything. It started up fine less than a month ago.
05:51 Vazon night all
05:51 Piggybear87 Night.
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06:00 * kaeza pokes VanessaE and Piggybear87 with https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/1062
06:01 kaeza "There's a pull for that!"
06:01 Piggybear87 WHY!? Has it not been implemented then>
06:02 Piggybear87 ?*
06:02 kaeza uhh... it's implemented... just not merged into master
06:03 Piggybear87 WHY though? It's more than 6 months old.
06:03 kaeza welcome to minetest development
06:04 Piggybear87 Lmfao.
06:07 VanessaE kaeza: oh yes, I'd quite forgotten about that onbe.
06:07 VanessaE -b
06:07 kaeza to be fair, at times you have to wait months for someone to look at it, and then you just don't care anymore, while other times things go in almost instantly
06:07 Piggybear87 Some things though, like mesecons, would still need to be renamed.
06:07 VanessaE Piggybear87: mesecons is a modpack
06:07 kaeza mesecons is a modpack, so name doe... that
06:07 VanessaE it doesn't have to be renamed.  ever.
06:08 Piggybear87 Really?It's named "minetest-mod-mesecons-<something>
06:08 VanessaE yup
06:08 VanessaE look inside,
06:08 Piggybear87 Hmph. I have been wasting so much time...
06:08 VanessaE there's a modpack.txt in there
06:09 kaeza OTOH, all my stuff is minetest-<modname> :P
06:09 VanessaE kaeza: not all.
06:09 kaeza whether it's a modpack or not
06:09 VanessaE the presence of that file (empty) means this is a modpack and so the folders therein will be treated as individual mods.
06:09 Piggybear87 I knew it was a pack, just thought it had to be renamed.
06:10 VanessaE s/kaeza: not all.//
06:10 kaeza :P
06:10 * kaeza is adding "last seen" info to xban2
06:11 kaeza useful if you want to make a convoluted shell script to remove player files!
06:12 kaeza meh... will continue work on homedecor/multifonts instead
06:13 * Piggybear87 needs to learn Lua...
06:13 * Piggybear87 also needs to sleep...
06:13 Piggybear87 Night all.
06:14 kaeza night
06:14 kaeza :<
06:17 * RealBadAngel yawns
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06:30 e1z0 hi
06:30 e1z0 when the new version of minetest will be released
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06:30 CraigyDavi hi elz0, probably within the next few months
06:31 CraigyDavi These issues need to be fixed first I believe, before it can be released, https://github.com/minetest/minetes​t/issues?milestone=3&amp;state=open
06:35 e1z0 oh
06:35 e1z0 not so many
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07:09 nman3600 hi
07:11 RealBadAngel http://i.imgur.com/6GrCtos.png vs http://i.imgur.com/fAzrVVo.png
07:11 RealBadAngel what do you think about above feature?
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07:33 nman3600 RealBadAngel, i prefer http://i.imgur.com/fAzrVVo.png
07:46 asie RealBadAngel, same
07:48 * nman3600 is waiting for mark twain to come on
07:48 nman3600 the server
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08:05 nman3600 m5, Do you know when your server will be up?
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08:15 nman3600 Hello Firebat and Exio4
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08:15 nman3600 Hello, asie
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08:30 jp__ Amaz ?
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08:44 reactor Ehlo.
08:44 reactor Are semi-transparent textures only supported for some cases?
08:45 reactor For example, I can see such in kaeza's firearms' mod, working fine, but when I try to make mobs fireball semi-transparent, I get only "not transprent" pixels to display.
08:45 Amaz Hello jp__ !
08:45 reactor s/ot t/on-t/
08:46 RealBadAngel another example, at night:
08:46 RealBadAngel http://i.imgur.com/CUbxNqH.png vs http://i.imgur.com/gmFMjsl.png
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09:36 * kaeza slaps Jordach
09:36 * Jordach bitch slaps kaeza
09:36 Jordach yes?
09:37 kaeza hai?
09:42 Jordach still no ShadowBot?
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10:08 Jordach kaeza, dafuq how do you handle temparatuer
10:09 Jordach it's 21C here and i'm fucking melting
10:09 kaeza Jordach, south hemisphere -> winter -> ~5ºC
10:10 Jordach kaeza, i'd rather be cold than hot
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10:12 nman3600 hi
10:18 RealBadAngel jordach: http://i.imgur.com/CUbxNqH.png vs http://i.imgur.com/gmFMjsl.png
10:18 RealBadAngel any comments?
10:18 RealBadAngel (left = default)
10:19 nman3600 Right = ?@
10:20 RealBadAngel possible feature
10:21 nman3600 RealBadAngel, i prefer the left one
10:22 Jordach RealBadAngel, is that per face shading
10:22 Jordach IF SO YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES
10:22 RealBadAngel per face brightness
10:23 Jordach 10 print WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
10:23 Jordach 20 goto 10
10:23 RealBadAngel by now top is 100% rest a bit darker
10:23 Jordach RealBadAngel, is that applyable to tools
10:23 Jordach so they don't appear the same brightness all around
10:24 RealBadAngel on the screenshot you can see: top 100%, pairs NE and WS are a bit darker but different, and bottom most dark
10:24 Jordach RealBadAngel, wajt
10:24 RealBadAngel NS and WE
10:24 Jordach wait a sec, that also appears to give nodeboxes proper shading
10:25 Jordach RealBadAngel, i've also got a meshnode for you
10:25 Jordach think of it as a warpstation :)
10:25 Jordach or some sort of mapsystem
10:34 Jordach RealBadAngel, try doing that to tools; https://cdn.mediacru.sh/ch_FTg_iJfTS.png
10:38 Jordach wtf Dropbox
10:38 Jordach https://cdn.mediacru.sh/_ZCv1SPeM9Ql.png
10:39 nman3600 m5, I've got a whole large bag and a few stacks of dirt what shall i do with it?
10:39 kaeza :O
10:39 Jordach i should probably stop smoking the reefer
10:40 nman3600 Anyone what shall i do with all this dirt i have
10:40 Jordach build a really large nerdpole
10:40 nman3600 i want to give it away but no one wants it
10:40 nman3600 IF YOU WANT IT JOIN MARK TWAINS SERVER LOL
10:40 Jordach look down, jump up, then place the dirt
10:40 Jordach and repeat
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10:41 Krock FRIDAY THE 13TH
10:41 Jordach dun dun durr
10:41 nman3600 Krock where have you been!
10:41 Krock hello people
10:41 kaeza :OOO
10:41 nman3600 I'VE MISSED YOU AND YOUR SERVER
10:41 Krock I had a wonderful holyday
10:41 Jordach holiday*
10:41 kaeza CAPS PARTY!
10:41 VanessaE aw shit
10:41 VanessaE it IS isn't it
10:41 Jordach :(
10:41 VanessaE I think I'll just crawl into bed and hide
10:42 Krock *holiday, days, Jordach
10:42 Jordach i can't open this packet of pringles
10:42 Krock VanessaE +1
10:42 Krock Jordach, they're overpriced
10:42 Krock (at least ehre)
10:42 Krock *here
10:42 Jordach Krock, £1.35 here
10:42 kaeza friday 13th and full moon! :O
10:42 Jordach (world cup = lower prices for snaks)
10:42 nman3600 Jordach where in england are you?
10:43 Jordach Norfolk
10:43 Krock CHF 5 here.. that's more than 2x the price
10:43 nman3600 I'm in UK
10:43 Jordach otherwise known as redneck country here
10:43 Krock redneck? I almost got a red neck in the last 3 days
10:43 Krock sunny weather
10:43 VanessaE oh, so you would fit right in in the US midwest then :)
10:43 Jordach https://cdn.mediacru.sh/joRoemE75HZk.png
10:43 VanessaE and for that matter over here in W. NC :P
10:43 Jordach WTF DROPBOX
10:44 Krock :)
10:44 Jordach kaeza, something's wrong with my upload
10:44 * Krock does backups - 5% with 9612 / 9619 files passed
10:45 kaeza Jordach, have you tried turning it off and on again?
10:45 Jordach kaeza, nope
10:45 kaeza wait... 64M/s ? O_o
10:45 kaeza just wat
10:45 Jordach i'm not even on fibre D:
10:48 Krock <3 7zip, compresses everything very good.
10:49 Krock s/good/well
10:50 Jordach clearly my 34% digital conscience did well in boosting my copper line
10:50 Jordach (yes, i'm working on Digital Immortality)
10:57 nman3600 Hey, Krock have you looked at v.2.0 of multitest? Need link?: http://lmgtfy.com/?q=Minetest+multitest
10:58 Krock nman3600, hai
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10:59 nman3600 Jordach Have you gave up on the pokemon map?
11:01 Jordach nman3600, i just have other things to be doing
11:01 nman3600 Jordach, k
11:01 Jordach but in time, i'm working on a special mod to fake the doors
11:02 nman3600 I'm currently playing sky block for Minetest
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11:08 VanessaE bbl.
11:08 nman3600_ cya VanessaE
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11:11 nman3600 Make a tree farm : Check
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11:12 Krock Is ShadowBot R.I.P?
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11:13 nman3600 yes
11:13 nman3600 i think
11:13 nman3600 My skyblock challenge list so far: http://pastebin.com/Dsyrcn8G
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12:13 Krock How about incuding leveldb like sqlite3 into the MT codes?
12:14 Krock *throws a dice*
12:14 Krock ShadowNinja --^
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12:26 Exio4 [07:09:02] <Jordach> it's 21C here and i'm fucking melting
12:28 Exio4 is it true? lol, melting is 40C+
12:28 Krock ice already melts at 1°C
12:32 Exio4 are you ice?
12:33 Exio4 didn't know
12:34 Krock I'm an ice cube
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12:40 Krock ~give sfan5 http://pastebin.com/Af6FAVjX using zlib and irrlicht, no sound, no curl - help!
12:40 * Krock facehoofs
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12:41 Krock !give channel_#minetest ShadowBot
12:41 w_laenger hi
12:41 Krock !give w_laenger hello
12:42 w_laenger How can I use soundpacks?
12:43 Krock .\minetest\sounds\ <-- put SP here
12:43 w_laenger I tried it out
12:43 kaeza backslashes D:
12:43 w_laenger and it didn't work
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12:43 w_laenger eg. .minetest/sounds/craw.ogg
12:44 Krock kaeza, smilz plz
12:44 Krock smile*
12:44 Krock w_laenger, minetest\sounds\myawsumpack\cow.ogg
12:44 Krock (my theory)
12:45 w_laenger I tried .minetest/sounds/all/craw.ogg and it didn't work
12:45 kaeza RealBadAngel, ^
12:45 w_laenger Would I need to add something to minetest.conf?
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12:48 w_laenger I only managed to play menu music.
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12:54 w_laenger Shall I put the sounds to usr/share/minetest/sounds?
12:58 w_laenger http://paste.ubuntu.com/7638752/
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13:00 Bearbar123 hello
13:01 Krock Olleh
13:02 w_laenger hi
13:03 w_laenger what's the meaning of DIR_DELIM?
13:05 w_laenger !explain DIR_DELIM
13:06 w_laenger maybe it's /
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13:09 Bearbar123 hey Enke
13:10 Enke Hiya!
13:10 Bearbar123 is nate's server up?
13:11 w_laenger Does std::string base = porting::path_share + DIR_DELIM + "testsounds";dst_paths.insert(base + DIR_DELIM + name + ".ogg");      mean that the sounds need to be stored at .minetest/testsounds?
13:12 Krock Bearbar123, servers.minetest.net
13:12 Krock w_laenger, looks like that's required - yes
13:13 w_laenger I tried it out and it didn't work
13:14 w_laenger I need to try usr/share/minetest/testsounds because path_share is used and not path_user
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13:17 w_laenger sudo chmod a+x /usr/share/minetest/
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13:18 w_laenger it worked :¬}
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13:33 w_laenger thanks for your help
13:38 w_laenger can date show milliseconds too?
13:38 w_laenger It can show nanoseconds
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13:39 reactor Hello.
13:40 reactor Why would Minetest server fail to start with "/home/mike/tmp/_/server/sr​c/database-leveldb.cpp:44: Database_LevelDB::Database_LevelDB(ServerMap *, std::string): Assertion 'status.ok()' failed."
13:40 reactor in half of the cases?
13:40 reactor That leads to having to 'kill -2' it twice in order to restart it.
13:41 Megaf Hi all
13:41 w_laenger hi
13:41 Megaf reactor: Don't use LevelDB
13:41 Megaf ;)
13:41 Megaf SQlite3 is fast enough,
13:42 w_laenger Megaf, really?
13:42 reactor I would like it as light as possible.
13:42 reactor Because I already can't afford to pay electricity bills.
13:43 Megaf reactor: by default, LevelDB will use compression, so it have to use more CPU resources to compress data when writing and then decompress when reading
13:43 * w_laenger read the logs
13:43 reactor That is interesting.
13:43 reactor Because last time I rolled a tar.xz it would compress dramatically.
13:44 w_laenger my cpu isn't really fast, so shall I use sqlite?
13:44 sfan5 Krock: link to libIrrlicht
13:44 sfan5 meow
13:44 sfan5 hi every1 BTW
13:44 w_laenger hi
13:44 Krock sfan5, meow. I did.
13:45 w_laenger what is assert() good for?
13:45 Krock irrlicht library, src dir, incudedir and dll have been set
13:45 sfan5 Megaf: it depends, most distros have a liblevedb without compression
13:45 sfan5 Krock: then you linked to the wrong one
13:45 sfan5 reactor: that means leveldb said something is not good
13:46 Krock sfan5, there was just one dll and just one obj
13:46 Krock *lib
13:46 Megaf sfan5: well, if the map when using LevelDB is much smaller than it was when using sqlite, so it's using
13:46 reactor sfan5: I realise.
13:46 Krock lol..flood of messages
13:46 w_laenger ok, I found it out myself
13:46 sfan5 Megaf: what is "much smaller"?
13:46 reactor Megaf: it may be due to the files being less sparse.
13:46 reactor That's not exactly "compression".
13:46 Megaf sfan5: I've read here in this channel people saying half of the size
13:46 reactor I may be wrong, though.
13:47 reactor Is LevelDB more corruption-prone?
13:47 sfan5 <reactor> Megaf: it may be due to the files being less sparse.
13:47 sfan5 reactor: no, it is less corruption-prone than sqlite3
13:47 reactor Aha.
13:48 reactor Well I guess I should stick with sqlite then, with all those random, transient maladies.
13:48 Krock sfan5, would it be possible for you to create a pull request in the MT repo to incude the leveldb like sqlite3?
13:48 Megaf sfan5: less? Are you sure? Now I see that minetest is using sqlite journal
13:48 Megaf reactor: Thing is, well tunned sqlite can be the fastest db
13:48 sfan5 Megaf: usage of sqlite3 journal is not an indicaton for corruption-proneness of sqlite3
13:49 Megaf but it may be hard to well tunne it
13:49 sfan5 Krock: what do you mean?
13:49 Megaf reactor: by the way, my server uses 5 watts of power only
13:49 reactor The system would become unresponsive and I had to hard-reset it. Now the server won't start, taking up exactly one processor.
13:49 Megaf 10 watts peak
13:49 Megaf [10:49:42] <reactor> The system would become unresponsive and I had to hard-reset it. Now the server won't start, taking up exactly one processor.
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13:49 Megaf too bad
13:50 Krock sfan5, liek dis: https://github.com/minetest/mi​netest/tree/master/src/sqlite
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13:50 w_laenger sfan5, please add a setting to change the path of soundpacks
13:50 Krock just with leveldb, is that possible
13:50 Krock +?
13:51 Krock w_laenger, I think RBA is "master" in that part
13:51 reactor Hmm.
13:51 w_laenger why?
13:51 reactor Why would sqlite be included with the sources, and not installed from the OS packages?
13:52 reactor Or that is just glue code?
13:52 sfan5 Krock: why?it was decided against this.
13:52 sfan5 reactor: nope, not glue code
13:52 reactor Yeah I see now.
13:53 Krock sfan5, srsly? so I missed that one
13:53 Krock too bad, it would be very nice to have it there
13:54 sfan5 Krock: why?
13:55 Krock sfan5, to have that thingy by default in the source and even windows platforms could compile it. (maybe android too?)
13:55 sfan5 you can compile it without having it in the main tree
13:56 reactor Yeah.
13:56 reactor Not being able to install dependencies separately is Windows' problem.
13:57 Krock okay, gonna continue this topic again when I'm done with my very vanilla minetet
13:57 reactor Windows developers should make a package manager or something.
13:57 Krock *minetest
13:57 reactor Seriously, people! What is an OS without a sources and package manager nowadays?
13:57 reactor source and package, even
13:57 w_laenger Is there a better way to remove the last letter of a string than string.sub(text, 1, -2)?
13:58 Krock w_laenger, the best way is to not let that happen
13:58 w_laenger Krock, not in this case
13:59 Krock then you need to use that function, yes
13:59 w_laenger ok
13:59 reactor It wasn't the DB's fault.
13:59 reactor players/ files got corrupted.
13:59 reactor Also, I found that env_meta is corrupted if the server is killed with SIGKILL
13:59 reactor env_meta.txt, eve.
13:59 reactor n
13:59 reactor even
14:00 Megaf reactor: nope, player files got corruped when you killed the server
14:00 w_laenger just change this line https://github.com/minetest/minet​est/blob/master/src/game.cpp#L744 and add a setting for the path
14:00 reactor Megaf: right, they got corrupted on that dirty shutdown.
14:00 reactor But I always get env_meta corruption if I SIGKILL it.
14:00 w_laenger can I somehow use path_user in minetest.conf?
14:01 Megaf reactor: I run my server on a screen session, and ALWAYS shutdown it with a single "Ctrl + C" key combo
14:01 reactor There should be a sanity check for player files.
14:01 reactor Megaf: I wasn't in control!
14:01 Megaf sometimes it my take long
14:01 reactor The system was unreponsive, I had to trip the breaker!
14:02 reactor There should be a sanity check, because no one wants to wander through 65535 player files after a dirty shutdown.
14:02 reactor As well as for env_meta.txt
14:03 Krock reactor, windows is good when force closing applications - never got any corruption when I task killed minetest XD
14:03 sfan5 reactor: https://gist.github.com/sfan5/6120106
14:03 w_laenger what about allowing minetest to save a env_meta.txt~ and remove it if env_meta.txt is saved correctly
14:03 reactor Krock: it must be that Windows task manager doesn't actually let you what would be SIGKILL on UNIX.
14:04 reactor It may be a problem when you want to kill something regardless of its responsiveness.
14:04 sfan5 w_laenger: then you end up with 2 broken files
14:04 Krock reactor, not over taskmanager. taskkill
14:04 reactor With some programs and conditions, even SIGKILL doesn't always work.
14:04 reactor Like I/O waits.
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14:05 reactor There must be an option in taskkill then.
14:05 w_laenger sfan5, and what about only allowing modifying one file at the same time?
14:05 reactor I'm sure there would be less corruption if I had control over the system.
14:05 sfan5 w_laenger: how would that prevent it?
14:06 reactor sfan5: gonna try, thank you!
14:06 reactor It would be nice to have something like that built in, though.
14:06 w_laenger sfan5, when minetest becomes started again and the file doesn't exist, it can copy the second one and create it again
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14:07 sfan5 w_laenger: this adds too much overhead (in terms of data)
14:07 reactor sfan5: wtf... one player file I found is filled with the log!
14:07 sfan5 lol
14:07 jp___ Hello all.
14:08 reactor another file has nick not matching the filename
14:08 w_laenger sfan5, and what about adding a backup file when the map becomes created?
14:08 sfan5 reactor: apply http://ix.io/cWy, recompile and then it should give you better error messages
14:08 reactor and another file is filled with shit
14:08 reactor That's not leveldb problem now.
14:08 jp___ how do when you want to "tackle" a large vertical  wall to the ground (horizontally) with WorldEdit? I tried various commands with //rotate but it does not work...
14:08 reactor It's totally the player files that is causing the hang.
14:08 sfan5 w_laenger: it does not make sense to do this for env_meta.txt
14:08 w_laenger sfan5, this file would only be used if the other one is broken
14:08 reactor I wonder how would the server log get into them.
14:09 sfan5 w_laenger: then you could just write env_meta.txt by hand, it is the same for every map at the start
14:09 w_laenger a lot of people become problems because of a disappeared file
14:09 w_laenger sfan5, I don't think it should be necessary to do it by hand
14:10 w_laenger ... I could make a mod for it
14:10 PenguinDad lol where are the problems when env_meta.txt disappears?
14:10 w_laenger PenguinDad, the seed, flags and other stuff are lost and you don't remember it
14:10 sfan5 crash recovery is the job of the server admin anyway
14:10 reactor It's not.
14:10 w_laenger and on singleplayer mode?
14:10 jp___ '//rotate x', thanks jp.
14:11 reactor It's the program's problem if it had corrupted something.
14:11 PenguinDad w_laenger: that's stored map_meta.txt
14:11 reactor It should exit as gracefullt as possible.
14:11 PenguinDad +in
14:12 reactor PenguinDad: I actually think of removing it each time the server starts.
14:12 w_laenger Sorry, I don't remember these file names, so ...
14:13 PenguinDad env_meta.txt only stores the time of the map
14:13 w_laenger and the server doesn't work if the time isn't known?
14:14 w_laenger is 881412 a long game time?
14:15 Krock divide by 60 to get minutes
14:15 Krock divide by 60 again to get hours
14:15 w_laenger kl,..– .
14:15 reactor There is no big deal about removing it, but it's annoying to have to do it by hand and write shell scripts to work around what should be already done automatically.
14:15 w_laenger there was something on my keyboard
14:16 Krock lol
14:16 w_laenger !c 881412/3600
14:16 Krock !calc 881412/3600/24
14:16 Krock uh.
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14:16 reactor ..
14:16 Krock whatever, it would be 10 days
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14:16 reactor bc -l always works.
14:17 w_laenger without break
14:17 PenguinDad !c os.execute("bc -l")
14:17 MinetestBot NameError: name 'os' is not defined
14:17 w_laenger !help
14:17 reactor echo '881412/3600' |bc -l
14:18 w_laenger echo $((881412/3600))
14:19 reactor There at least should be a tool called 'worldlint'.
14:19 Krock ^- what does it do?
14:20 reactor w_laenger: integers only.
14:21 reactor bc -l should give you a real number
14:21 w_laenger reactor, I know, thanks for telling me the bc command
14:23 w_laenger echo pi+3.14159265358975 |bc -l
14:24 w_laenger shall I use more assert than if?
14:25 reactor man bc
14:25 reactor There is no built in pi constant.
14:25 w_laenger so I need to calculate it manually?
14:26 reactor However... bc -l -e 'scale = 500; 2 * a(2^10000)' -e quit
14:26 PenguinDad atan(1)*4 == pi
14:26 reactor a is arctangent
14:26 w_laenger invalid option -e
14:27 Krock plz2help sfan5 http://pastebin.com/guaM2qqN
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14:27 w_laenger string.sub(assert(io.popen("echo 8/16| bc -l"):read("*a"), "failedd"), 1, -2))
14:27 Krock (new error)
14:27 w_laenger shall I use this instead of calculating stuff with lua?
14:27 reactor w_laenger: 2*a(2^1000)
14:27 reactor It's just a desk calculator.
14:27 reactor Not for use in programming.
14:28 reactor Well, it can be used in shell scripts that's it.
14:28 w_laenger string.sub(assert(io.popen("echo 1283578/1238416| bc -l"):read("*a"), "failedd"), 1, -2))
14:28 w_laenger it can also be used in lua ^
14:28 reactor Compute natively in LUA?
14:28 Krock sfan5, compiled irrlicht and linked to the dll and lib file - src and include folder are defined too, what the hell am I doing wrong?
14:29 Krock reactor, https://github.com/mniip/LUA
14:29 w_laenger bc might work faster for calculating big numbers instead of using lua
14:30 reactor Really?
14:30 reactor How about JIT?
14:30 w_laenger now my ambience sounds aren't stored in a folder called "sounds"
14:30 w_laenger I don't know.
14:31 w_laenger because I haven't tested it yet
14:31 reactor Working on soundpacks, too?
14:32 w_laenger to calculate very much you could use a program made with gcc which uses opencl
14:32 reactor In my opinion, it would be nice to have sounds changeable like textures.
14:32 w_laenger I didn't make my own soundpack yet
14:32 w_laenger it's already possible
14:32 reactor When has it become?
14:32 w_laenger idk
14:33 w_laenger put your sounds into a folder called testsounds in the shared minetest folder
14:33 w_laenger /usr/share/minetest/testsounds/fire.ogg
14:33 reactor Aha.
14:34 reactor Why wasn't it documented? Or am I missing where it has been documented?
14:34 w_laenger it's documented at https://github.com/minetest/minet​est/blob/master/src/game.cpp#L731
14:35 LemonLake mniip's lua is just lua with capslock
14:35 w_laenger another question: why aren't screenshots named by date and time?
14:36 reactor Source code is not documentation.
14:36 Krock look at modification date -^
14:37 w_laenger reactor, ok, I don't know more  Krock how?
14:37 Krock w_laenger, switch file sorting display to "details"
14:38 w_laenger Krock, where?
14:38 Krock w_laenger, is the screenshot on your HDD?
14:39 w_laenger which screenshot?
14:39 Krock <w_laenger>another question: why aren't screenshots named by date and time?
14:39 w_laenger yes
14:40 Krock date and time is visible if the screenshot is on the HDD
14:40 Krock image hosters mostly add a timestamp, too
14:40 w_laenger 2333992872
14:40 reactor The best naming convention is: YYYY-MM-DD-HH-MM-SS-MSEC
14:41 w_laenger screenshot_2333992872.png
14:41 kaeza no nanoseconds? :(
14:41 reactor Nobody would take screens that fast
14:41 w_laenger kaeza, you can use simple screen recorder
14:41 Krock HH:MM:SS.MSECNPQABCDE DD-MM-YY
14:41 Krock best ^
14:41 reactor Krock: that would mess up the sort.
14:41 kaeza guess nobody gets jokes over here
14:42 w_laenger reactor, you can hold F12
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14:42 kaeza or my jokes are bad, and I should feel bad :(
14:42 Krock F12F12F12F12F12F12F12
14:42 Krock oops
14:42 reactor Krock: you forgot to hold up the "sarcasm" sign.
14:42 reactor oops.
14:42 reactor kaeza.
14:42 Krock xD
14:42 Krock I put my finger on the F12 key and thiscomes out: F12F12F12F12F12F12F12F12F12F12F12F12F12F12F12
14:43 reactor 4~4~4~4~4~4~4~4~4~4~4~4~4~4~
14:43 reactor Depends on the terminal.
14:43 Krock terminal????
14:43 w_laenger because of lag, change the window size
14:44 kaeza "DOS Box" or "Command Prompt"
14:44 w_laenger I can shrink mine to 1x1 px
14:44 kaeza he still uses the OS with "\\" as directory separator D:
14:44 Krock http://command.com/com/extention/are_funny.html
14:45 reactor Hmm.
14:45 Krock @'\'
14:45 reactor Why would Minetest crash if videodriver is set to null?
14:45 Krock would it?
14:45 reactor How am I supposed to randominput-test my server?
14:45 reactor It would, last time I checked.
14:45 Krock aha, so it does
14:46 Krock what do you mean by "randominput"?
14:46 reactor --random-input
14:47 ShadowNinja Krock: What do you mean?  LevelDB is already a supported backend.  It's a optional backend though, you have to enable it at compile time.
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14:47 ShadowNinja an*
14:48 Krock ShadowNinja, true. in my option, everything which is bundled, is better..beware of grammar fails
14:48 jin_xi or punctation
14:48 reactor Better?
14:48 reactor Everything that is bundled is redundant.
14:48 reactor The OS should already have the deps.
14:48 ShadowNinja Krock: Tell that to whoever compiles Minetest for you.
14:48 Krock reactor, uh. can't help you there
14:48 reactor It's the administrator's job to provide them, otherwise.
14:49 Krock ShadowNinja, trying to compile that thingie self. there's the problem xD
14:49 LemonLake oh, youtube has fancy dark bgs now
14:49 reactor But it's not the administrator's job to repair bad argfiles every time the server crashed.
14:49 w_laenger between Mar 15, 2012 and Jun 16, 2012
14:49 w_laenger https://github.com/minetest/minetest/blob/07ccc15f​c2f0f2abc7f67b51bbfcdc673f6b2869/src/game.cpp#L888
14:50 reactor w_laenger: are you the Hybrid_Dog?
14:50 * PenguinDad slaps Krock with a pure rainbow
14:50 w_laenger yes
14:50 reactor I forgot to tell you about the testing.
14:50 * Krock likes rainbows
14:50 ShadowNinja Krock: Install leveldb(-dev) and run cmake with -DENABLE_LEVELDB=1.
14:50 w_laenger which testing?
14:50 reactor Well, I haven't actually tested the mod, sorry about that. Because I got a good idea shortly after: kill players if they are below a defined leve.
14:50 Krock ShadowNinja, win32
14:51 reactor The mod that would fill the space underneath a finite map.
14:51 reactor a defined level, even.
14:51 ShadowNinja Krock: Use Linux or BSD to build Minetest and set to to cross-compile to Windows.
14:51 reactor I also protected the bottom layer, so that there is less chance of falling out.
14:51 Krock w_laenger, that funtion you have there is inefficient
14:52 w_laenger which function?
14:52 Krock ShadowNinja, I don't want to depend on linux - compiling with win for win to win is my target
14:52 Krock w_laenger, the one you highlighed there in github
14:53 w_laenger do you mean the pripyat map support?
14:53 Krock w_laenger, huh? no. the fetch sounds
14:53 w_laenger ok
14:54 w_laenger so you mean the scissors sounds?
14:54 Krock ShadowNinja, I don't know if you want/can/like to help me - the errorswould be there: http://pastebin.com/guaM2qqN
14:55 w_laenger do*
14:55 ShadowNinja Krock: Ask someone who makes MSVC builds to help then, like BlockMen.
14:55 Krock w_laenger, nvm. not important
14:56 Krock ShadowNinja, haven't seen him yet so I tried to speed up the progress :3 whatever - it can wait
14:56 w_laenger this one? https://github.com/HybridDog/minetest-nether
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15:04 reactor w_laenger: yeah.
15:04 Krock https://twitter.com/urbandictionary​/status/477465675640741890/photo/1
15:05 LemonLake What's best for python guis? pygtk, pyqt or wxpython?
15:05 Krock LemonLake, null.
15:05 LemonLake what is better, then?
15:05 Krock always the best one
15:06 w_laenger do you mean the fix_light function?
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15:09 Piggybear87 'ello 'ello all!
15:09 Krock Olleh
15:09 w_laenger I uses read_from_map(p1, p2) and p1 and p2 was not the area where I changed something but it worked
15:10 w_laenger p1,p2 = vector.zero, vector.subtract(p2, p1)
15:11 w_laenger does anyone want to see some small screenshots?
15:11 w_laenger no answer yet, I'll delete them
15:11 w_laenger finished
15:11 Krock (none sais >me<)
15:15 Krock !up sektori.org
15:15 MinetestBot sektori.org:30000 is up (452ms)
15:18 Krock weird.. the lag is shown up as 0.2s on the server list
15:18 LemonLake minetest bot isnt most accurate
15:19 Krock weird because it takes over a minute to load item definitions
15:19 LemonLake probably has loads then
15:19 LemonLake minetestbot just checks if it can connect
15:19 LemonLake afaik
15:20 * Krock connects to server #[insert random number here]
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15:23 sfan5 ShadowNinja: Krock wants the leveldb source code in the MT main tree
15:23 Krock sfan5, he knows
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15:24 Krock ShadowNinja, seen shadowbot last time at 2014-06-08, what happened?
15:26 reactor Can a Minetest server be driven to deplete system resources?
15:26 reactor I mean, by the client side.
15:26 Krock it's like wet TNT
15:28 reactor Really?
15:28 LemonLake whoa
15:28 LemonLake gksudo is interesting
15:28 Krock wet TNT >doesnt< explore
15:29 Krock LemonLake, minetest.exe is too
15:29 LemonLake hmm
15:29 LemonLake minetest.exe is not present on this filesystem
15:29 LemonLake try again?
15:30 Krock @"E:\hhh\win32\is\best\evaar​\minetest\bin\minetest.exe"
15:30 LemonLake ah, I found one on my secondary drive
15:30 LemonLake but it does not exist on file system or primary
15:30 Piggybear87 OldCoder, I see you're marked away, but you around?
15:30 w_laenger Krock, but mossy tnt does
15:31 LemonLake "/media/lemonlake/Secondary/Eclipse/W​orkspace_1/Minetest/bin/minetest.exe"
15:31 ShadowNinja sfan5: Oh, absolutely not.  We already have plenty of things copied that are extremely out of date.
15:31 LemonLake wonder what happens if i run it in wine
15:31 reactor That's also why bundled libraries are bad.
15:32 reactor It's also a hell to maintain them.
15:32 LemonLake believe it or not it works PERFECTLY
15:32 LemonLake i dont even kid
15:35 Krock I need something which rhymes to "how"
15:35 PenguinDad Krock: now
15:36 Piggybear87 Brown
15:36 Piggybear87 Cow
15:36 LemonLake brow
15:36 Piggybear87 Wow
15:36 Piggybear87 Sow
15:36 Krock thanks
15:36 PenguinDad meow
15:36 LemonLake whenever somebody asks for a rhyming word its always 3 or 4 letters
15:37 Piggybear87 I need a word that rhymes with orange.
15:37 Piggybear87 Lol.
15:38 Krock hmm... 2012?
15:38 Krock Piggybear87, eh. difficult
15:39 Piggybear87 Impossible. Lol. No real word rhymes with orange.
15:39 Piggybear87 Afk.
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15:45 BlockMen Krock, could you try this one?
15:45 BlockMen http://www.fileconvoy.com/dfl.php?id=ga5​5a5b146909aa2b99951615132c5d9d6d119ef60
15:45 Krock Piggybear87, sporange!
15:45 BlockMen sry, dropbox makes problems :/
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15:46 Krock hi BlockMen, yes, and as long there's no survey, it's fine
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15:47 Krock PARTYYYY
15:47 Krock thank you, BlockMen!
15:47 BlockMen it works?!
15:47 Krock this needs a crash test now, to check if everything works
15:47 Krock it started
15:47 Krock *joins dummy world*
15:48 BlockMen finally :) take that stupid xp :P
15:48 Krock hahha
15:48 Krock it runs fine :D
15:50 Piggybear87 Back.
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15:50 BlockMen very well then. and i will try to remember: leveldb + winxp sucks ;)
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15:54 Krock Piggybear87, "nanorange – a really tiny orange that you can’t even see"
15:55 Piggybear87 That's like rhyming red with read. Lol.
15:55 Krock I need a word which rhymes on "Plankton"
15:55 PenguinDad Krock: Planked on xD
15:56 Krock Piggybear87, eh. no. and yes. both.
15:56 Krock read in the present is not rhyme to red
15:56 Krock but in the past, it is
15:57 Piggybear87 That's what I meant. Red = read<past tense>.
16:01 LemonLake pulseaudio -k && sudo alsa force-reload is life
16:04 PenguinDad "cat /dev/urandom | tr -dc A-Z" much pseudorandom very characters wow
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16:22 reactor To feel the warm thrill of confusion, that space cadet glow.
16:23 reactor God damn it, why ever install PulseAudio?
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16:29 LemonLake reactor: Because it's the only one that actually works with this soundcard.
16:29 sfan5 wat
16:29 sfan5 https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php​?f=3&amp;t=9473&amp;view=unread#p144845
16:29 sfan5 >slow SSD
16:29 reactor LemonLake: OSS could do.
16:29 sfan5 I don't even
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16:30 LemonLake what is a slow ssd
16:30 LemonLake is that even a thing
16:31 reactor Technological illiteracy, eh.
16:31 reactor Every idiot can use computers nowadays :(
16:31 LemonLake ikr
16:31 LemonLake That's what I like about linux
16:32 LemonLake They require some computational knowledge, so that kids can't use them just to look cool ^.^
16:33 Krock sfan5, I didn't click the link but somehow I fellit's my post
16:33 reactor Everyone can use Linux, too, nowadays.
16:33 Krock :3
16:33 reactor Because of them, we get Pulseaudio, HAL, D-Bus.
16:33 LemonLake reactor: really? Most applications require self-compiling for starters
16:33 reactor And eventually those freaks invent SystemD.
16:33 reactor With a decent package manager, not.
16:34 LemonLake let's use ubuntu as an example
16:34 reactor Oh yeah?
16:34 LemonLake I think mint uses the same package manager as ubuntu
16:34 LemonLake A lot of apps aren't even on there, or at least an updated version
16:34 reactor I remember not ever compiling anythig for the first 1..2 years of Linux usage.
16:35 LemonLake no idea what kind of apps you download then
16:35 reactor Nothing fancy back then.
16:35 reactor As your demands grow, you of course start considering self-compiliong.
16:35 LemonLake my demands are always sky-high
16:35 reactor And eventually stop using binary repos altogether.
16:35 LemonLake that might be why my downloads folder has at least three hundred folders of apps I had to compile
16:36 reactor Pardon?
16:36 LemonLake I don't even
16:36 reactor Doesn't source package management system take care of the downloads?
16:36 LemonLake Pardon?
16:36 reactor All I need to compile sources here is type a couple lines, and the system takes care of everything, I just need to insall the package when it's done.
16:37 reactor Beforehand, one has to set up such a system, not difficult if you know what you're doing.
16:38 LemonLake I'm used to typing './configure', 'make' then 'make install'
16:38 reactor That's not it.
16:39 reactor I don't even need to type those, normally.
16:39 LemonLake What distro are you on?
16:39 reactor http://www.freebsd.org/doc/h​andbook/ports-poudriere.html
16:40 reactor "Ports" can be used on any more or less functioning system, as far as I know.
16:40 reactor So can PkgSrc.
16:40 LemonLake Whatever. Bored of talking about this.
16:41 reactor Debian has some kind of source management, too, but right: whatever.
16:43 sfan5 >not Win16/32/64 compatible
16:43 sfan5 Krock, are you kidding?
16:43 sfan5 Win16
16:43 sfan5 16-bit Windows
16:43 Krock yeah
16:43 sfan5 I think Lua does not even run on that
16:43 Krock (to kidding)
16:44 sfan5 Minetest does not run on that either
16:49 asie well, Lua runs on DOS...
16:49 reactor 16bit Windows...
16:50 reactor Necrophiles?
16:50 asie reactor: that's why i'm working on my own linux distro
16:50 asie some of the things you mentioned
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16:51 reactor asie: that must be a tough job. Maybe you should check out them BSDs?
16:51 asie reactor: driver support in BSDs is still lacking
16:52 asie that is the main and one of the few rationales for even using the Linux kernel
16:52 asie it will always have the best driver and software compatibility
16:52 reactor They are shipped pretty barebone, and one can sculpt whatever they like on top.
16:52 asie and you can sculpt whatever you like on top of Linux too
16:52 asie it's just that some people (Lennart Poettering, for one) go deliberately against you
16:52 asie but hey, you get used to it
16:52 reactor Speaking of the barebone-ness.
16:52 asie there are actually many really interesting and innovative things for Linux around
16:53 asie you just need to look outside of the usual Linux forums
16:53 asie and into newsgroups, IRC channels, niche websites and often documentationless tarballs
16:53 reactor There is likely to be a way to construct a barebone system similar to BSD with it.
16:53 reactor And then use, say, Ports.
16:53 asie I think there is actually a ports-based Linux out there
16:53 asie I'm not fond of source-only distros, though
16:53 asie and I will never be
16:53 reactor Ports is not source only.
16:54 asie right now I'm playing with pacman, mainly because it is one of the nicest binary package managers around
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16:54 asie also one of the most portable (only depends on libarchive, except for its package creation toolchain)
16:55 Megaf That's not the kind of post we need.
16:55 Megaf !title https://forum.minetest.net/vi​ewtopic.php?p=144852#p144852
16:55 MinetestBot Megaf: [Mod] Green screen [green_screen] - Minetest Forums
16:56 asie there is also the portage/paludis route, it offers the highest configurability at the cost of gigantic overcomplexity
16:56 asie so that's a no
16:56 asie there's also APT/YUM but those are massively bloated and have lots of baggage, so again, no
16:56 asie slackware's system is too barebones with no dependency recognition which complicates installing new things massively
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17:02 jp__ Hello ;)
17:03 asie reactor: BSDs are generally nice, but I believe Linux can be saved
17:03 reactor I do, too.
17:03 LemonLake why does linux need to be saved/
17:03 asie LemonLake: systemd, pulseaudio, bloatware everywhere
17:03 LemonLake when was it dead?
17:03 reactor It's beyond my capabilities yet, however.
17:03 asie LemonLake: not dead
17:03 asie rotten
17:03 asie reactor: hey, you can always join my little party
17:03 reactor And you're doing a tough, but great job, asie.
17:03 asie reactor: hang out in #musl
17:04 asie it's a channel with people who are mostly likeminded
17:04 LemonLake two applications aren't going to be the biggest detail to an entire operating system
17:04 asie LemonLake: those are just two examples
17:04 LemonLake your opinion does not effect the state of a project
17:04 asie and systemd is kind of a big detail
17:04 LemonLake im not entirely sure what your problem with systemd and pulseaudio are, they have a job and they do it fine
17:04 asie LemonLake: they break the philosophy
17:04 LemonLake eithre way you're entitled to an opinion
17:04 asie one program should do one thing really well
17:05 reactor SystemD is scary shit.
17:05 asie systemd does everything
17:05 asie as pid 1 on root privileges
17:05 reactor Binary logs, heavy integration.
17:05 asie an exploit in it (and 9 were found so far) compromises your entire system
17:05 reactor Yes.
17:05 LemonLake okay, i see your problem with systemd
17:05 LemonLake what's up with pulseaudio?
17:05 asie pulseaudio, on the other hand, does some thing well
17:05 asie but it's horribly easy to break
17:05 LemonLake again, it has a job and it does it fine.
17:05 LemonLake yes, but that does not effect the state of an entire project.
17:05 asie systemd is a core part of the system, pulseaudio is a core part of the sound subsystem in most recent distros
17:05 asie or things like dbus
17:06 LemonLake yes, but it doesn't effect linux as a whole
17:06 asie essentially we agreed on solutions which are worse but everyone uses them
17:06 LemonLake that just makes no sense
17:06 asie instead of trying to improve things
17:06 reactor OSS works fine
17:06 asie reactor: drivers for OSS are disappearing
17:06 ShadowNinja I've had issues with PA not working, but plain ALSA works well.
17:06 asie ALSA is what we need to settle on
17:06 reactor True, though.
17:06 asie ShadowNinja: that
17:06 asie is my experience exactly
17:06 reactor ALSA should be fine.
17:06 LemonLake you guys need to get your heads sorted out
17:06 reactor Pulseaudio is a ound server that uses ALSA as a backend, isn't it?
17:06 LemonLake if you think one application effects an entire project
17:07 asie LemonLake: but everyone is taking on that attitude
17:07 reactor It's just another layer of abstraction then.
17:07 LemonLake that'd be like saying a minetest mod being bad causes minetest itself to be bad
17:07 asie no
17:07 LemonLake but yes
17:07 asie that'd be like saying mesecons causes minetest to be bad
17:07 LemonLake that's what you're saying
17:07 asie because everyone uses mesecons and there is no alternative
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17:07 asie so they settle for something that sucks because they know no better
17:07 asie (of course, mesecons is quite nice)
17:07 LemonLake I've never heard of pulseaudio being core
17:07 asie (but that's just a hypothesis)
17:07 LemonLake but just take it off and get another one
17:07 asie LemonLake: find me a modern distro which doesn't use pulseaudio
17:08 asie also, that's starting to be impossible; some software depends on pulseaudio being present
17:08 asie same with systemd
17:08 asie udev, the main device autodetection/hotplug framework, permamently depends on systemd
17:08 asie and there is no good alternative for it
17:08 asie GNOME (the whole thing!) depends on systemd
17:08 reactor This is scary.
17:08 asie Linux is becoming a monolith
17:08 reactor A desktop environment depends on init system!
17:08 reactor Just think about it!
17:08 LemonLake ...
17:09 asie reactor: Linux is becoming another Windows or OS X in that regard
17:09 LemonLake I don't even.
17:09 asie LemonLake: I'm serious
17:09 reactor When did DEs gwos so big and ugly?
17:09 asie check the GNOME changelogs
17:09 reactor Yes, asie.
17:09 reactor That's actually why I decided to run away.
17:09 asie I decided I can't run away, I'm just working on my own thing
17:09 LemonLake if you have a problem with gnome, just don't use it
17:09 LemonLake simple
17:09 reactor There were other reasons, but this is the main reason.
17:09 asie LemonLake: I have a problem with udev.
17:09 asie I can't /not/ use it
17:09 asie because half my computer's features depend on it being present
17:09 reactor LemonLake: not when it's broken everything to be compatible with it, and only it.
17:09 asie hotplugging is an important feature
17:09 LemonLake get a distro that doesn't use it?
17:09 reactor They're lobbying the changes that are good for them.
17:10 reactor And bad for everyone else.
17:10 asie LemonLake: the only one left is Gentoo
17:10 asie but that has other issues
17:10 zat what is the problem with systemd?
17:10 LemonLake you guys are seriously paranoid...
17:10 asie i'm making my own distro for exactly that reason
17:10 asie zat: read up
17:10 reactor Freedesktop.org and GNOME Project are the two main evil forces nowadays.
17:10 asie LemonLake: you know what's funny?
17:10 asie if we were speaking in 1991
17:10 LemonLake asie: you know what's funny?
17:10 asie you'd probably be saying "if you have a problem with UNIX, just don't use it"
17:10 LemonLake me not giving a shit
17:10 zat asie: can explain in brief?
17:10 Jordach asie, why'd you think i use windows primarily
17:11 zat so far all people I see complaining about systemd don't really understand much about it.
17:11 Jordach btw; anytime someone brings up monoliths, this comes to mind
17:11 Jordach darp
17:11 LemonLake probably gonna get back into blender
17:11 Jordach https://duckduckgo.com/Mon​olith_%28Space_Odyssey%29
17:11 asie zat: GNOME and udev depend on systemd as a mandatory requirement, for one; for two, systemd is doing too many things, breaking linux's modularity and causing actual exploits in the rarer used features; for three, exploits in your PID 1 init system are horrible
17:11 LemonLake Jordach: is there liquid simulation in blender?
17:11 Jordach LemonLake, yes
17:11 jordan4ibanez Yes
17:11 LemonLake hell yes
17:11 asie for four; systemd has been voting for changes in the Linux kernel
17:11 LemonLake getting blender.
17:11 asie which are only good for systemd
17:11 asie the only reason they aren't in there is Torvalds
17:11 LemonLake fed up of having to buy that weird software that does it
17:11 LemonLake that doesn't even work half the tiem
17:12 zat asie: what exploit? can give me a link
17:12 LemonLake also jordach, 2.70 vs 2.71?
17:12 Jordach all versions since 2.5.x
17:12 LemonLake whoa
17:13 asie zat: https://access.redhat.com/​security/cve/CVE-2013-4327
17:13 LemonLake smoke simulation looks epic
17:13 LemonLake http://wiki.blender.org/uploads/thum​b/a/a9/Blender-2.71-cycles-smoke.png​/800px-Blender-2.71-cycles-smoke.png
17:13 asie that's a bug in the interaction of systemd and policykit
17:13 asie lets you bypass access restrictions
17:13 asie another one, lets you fiddle with X11 via systemd's broken calling of SetX11Keyboard: http://www.cvedetails.com/cve/CVE-2013-4394/
17:13 asie and there are only more to come as systemd is *gaining* features
17:14 asie those are real issues and they are beginning to show
17:14 asie but once they become actually dangerous it might be too late
17:15 asie there's also http://boycottsystemd.org/
17:16 zat asie: those bugs are fixed already
17:16 asie zat: yes
17:16 asie heartbleed was fixed too
17:16 asie any bug was fixed
17:16 zat if you don't like software that can sometimes have bugs, I strongly suggest you to not ever use a computer again
17:16 asie but the bigger a piece of software is, the more likely bugs are to appear
17:16 LemonLake +zat
17:17 asie and you don't want bugs to appear often in the software that literally runs your computer next to only the kernel
17:17 zat even the kernel has had many bugs, I don't see your point
17:17 zat if you don't like systemd, whichever reason (though most are for misinformation) use software that don't depend on it.
17:17 asie zat: an init system doesn't need to be so big
17:17 asie an init system should only initialize the system
17:18 asie a service supervisor should only supervise services
17:18 asie a power management service should only manage power
17:18 asie a log parser should only parse logs
17:18 zat asie, they made something much better than that
17:18 asie they could've defined open interfaces to interconnect anything with everything
17:18 asie but no, instead they decided to create a monolith that only works within their own ecosystem
17:19 zat distributions, developers, the people do the actual things are switching. Normally people that are just users are the ones that complain.
17:19 asie zat: some are not switching
17:19 asie and it's increasingly harder for them not to switch
17:19 asie Ubuntu, for instance, did not want to switch
17:19 asie but the moment GNOME started depending on systemd
17:20 asie they were forced to
17:20 asie and scrap their entire homegrown solution
17:20 asie Gentoo was forced to create their own fork of a few tools just to make systemd optional
17:20 zat since when is gnome considered reference of anything...
17:20 asie zat: most distros use GNOME as a desktop environment
17:21 zat asie: most distros bring it by default which in none situation means you can't opt to not use it.
17:21 asie zat: no, that's not how it works
17:21 asie udev and gnome depend on systemd, a lot of applications depend on gnome, a lot of other things depend on udev
17:21 asie i need to make heavy sacrifices to use a different solution, that should never be the case
17:22 asie even wayland is making it so the switch will be seamless
17:22 asie and nobody decided "OH, OH, WE SHOULD FORCE OUR USERS TO USE WAYLAND"
17:22 zat so you think that the switch to systemd has annoyed desktop users?
17:22 zat in what way would it have?
17:22 asie no, but i think the switch to systemd annoyed expert users
17:22 asie power users
17:22 asie the minority who has brought linux to where it is now
17:23 asie if that were not the case, all distros would have moved to systemd a year ago if not earlier
17:23 zat “experts” that are annoyed by changes shouln't be called experts like that.
17:23 zat asie, before you go on, please read this: https://bbs.archlinux.org/view​topic.php?pid=1149530#p1149530
17:23 asie zat: annoyed by changes forced upon them that they disagree with?
17:23 zat that post informs a lot.
17:23 asie zat: that's sysvinit vs. systemd
17:23 asie there are many more solutions
17:23 zat asie: there are devels that don't want wayland at all, not because of that they are right.
17:24 asie runit, s6, perp
17:24 zat just read it
17:25 zat most people that come argue with me aren't aware of half of the facts actually.
17:26 zat ...and once they understand how (easy it is) to make service units for systemd, they won't complain again.
17:27 asie zat: look into runit
17:27 asie mkdir lighttpd && nano run
17:27 asie write the code to start the service
17:27 asie nano finish, write the code to stop the service
17:27 asie there, runit handles all bringup, restarting, reloading and whatever you want for you
17:27 asie if you want logging, mkdir log and either copy one of the existing log scripts or create your own
17:27 asie and runit is a single C file and takes 4KB in memory
17:28 OldCoder Yo
17:28 OldCoder Who rang?
17:28 asie it's not sysvinit-level pain and it's very easy to make
17:28 OldCoder Piggybear87, I am now
17:28 OldCoder Piggybear87, did your stuff survive?
17:28 zat asie: imperative coding
17:29 OldCoder Piggybear87, Amaz, m5 and others: I will shut down my worlds shortly for 15 minutes for backup prior to move
17:29 reactor OldCoder: o/
17:30 OldCoder reactor, Pripyat is back
17:30 reactor Oh, and I still host mine.
17:30 OldCoder My data center is supposed to move, finally, in the next few days
17:30 OldCoder reactor, is there an update for me?
17:30 reactor Exceptions to the law were published.
17:30 OldCoder Good
17:31 reactor So my stuff is likely to stay up past August.
17:31 OldCoder reactor, I wish to start writing a bit about Pripyat
17:31 OldCoder Good again
17:31 reactor I will give you the latest map if you want.
17:31 OldCoder Yes, thank you
17:31 OldCoder There was some confusion for months. Some persists. But I wish to document places in the map.
17:32 reactor Oh, I will add the new places I tried to model to that file.
17:32 reactor Probably tomorrow.
17:33 Megaf !seen Calinou
17:33 MinetestBot Megaf: calinou was last seen at 2014-06-12 21:02:30 UTC on #minetest
17:33 reactor !seen MinetestBot
17:33 MinetestBot reactor: minetestbot was last seen at 2014-05-22 03:22:25 UTC on ##minetest-next
17:33 reactor Liar.
17:35 Megaf !seen myself
17:35 MinetestBot Megaf: Sorry, I haven't seen myself around.
17:36 reactor Oh yeah.
17:36 Megaf reactor: yep, his not very aware of himself
17:36 Megaf ops
17:36 Megaf reactor: yep, he's not very aware of himself
17:36 reactor !seen you
17:36 MinetestBot reactor: Sorry, I haven't seen you around.
17:36 reactor That's mean.
17:36 Megaf !seen her
17:36 MinetestBot Megaf: Sorry, I haven't seen her around.
17:36 Megaf I know that feeling bro
17:39 PenguinDad !seen him
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17:49 Jordach Megaf, herself
17:50 reactor BRING IN THE FEMBOTS!!!
17:50 Megaf Calinou: Hi there
17:50 Megaf Calinou: Good to know you are using my mod. :) Just be sure it's always updated.
17:51 Calinou hi
17:51 Calinou Megaf, not so easy :( I frequently tweak stuff or clean up code
17:51 Calinou and… fix typos in comments :s
17:51 Calinou 3D armor has “Regisiter” instead of “Register”
17:51 Megaf [18:02:12] <Calinou> Megaf_, added golden armor to Carbone ;)
17:51 Calinou I realized armor was too powerful, nerfed it too
17:52 Calinou it lasts quite long anyway
17:52 Megaf That's not my typo :P
17:52 Megaf Calinou: I'm actually planing to add mese armor
17:52 MinetestBot GIT: davidgumberg commited to minetest/minetest: Add AppData file c39e46c00d 2014-06-13T13:51:01-04:00 http://git.io/Lgjwuw
17:53 Megaf well, maybe not
17:53 reactor How are those hashes(?) in the AppData directory names formed?
17:53 reactor AppData/{blablabla-blablabla-blablabla-...?}
17:53 Megaf I think mese should be used only for electric/electronic things
17:53 reactor Mese should be ...semiconductor?
17:54 reactor And use copper for wires and such instead?
17:54 Megaf Mese is used to make mese wires
17:54 Megaf maybe we should redo mesecons from scratch
17:54 Megaf use copper for wires and condcutors
17:54 Megaf and mese as semiconductor
17:54 Calinou https://forum.minetest.net/​viewtopic.php?f=4&amp;t=146 → would be nice to see a revival of this
17:56 Calinou crap, the download link is minus.com, and the download button sends me to home page with NSFW stuff
17:57 Megaf Calinou: maybe a modpack with those torches
17:57 Megaf and bricks
17:57 Megaf [14:56:56] <Calinou> crap, the download link is minus.com, and the download button sends me to home page with NSFW stuff
17:57 Calinou probably can't download it
17:57 Megaf not here
17:57 Megaf http://i.minus.com/1402768653/SLLJgg2EM4BC0F10S0​9-6Q/dotTOllrV6ppe/%5Bkdd%5DExplorerPack4.0.zip
17:58 Calinou doesn't work
17:58 Calinou can you upload it somewhere else?
17:58 Calinou (eg. creat topic, forum attachment)
17:58 Calinou create*
17:58 Megaf sorry, my mistake
17:58 Megaf I can´t download that either
17:59 Megaf some cure girl there btw
17:59 Calinou <_<
18:00 Calinou it's almost pron sometimes
18:00 LemonLake 'almost'
18:00 Calinou I'll send the OP a PM, but their last visit is from january 2014
18:01 Jordach Calinou, there was a pony ;)
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18:16 sfan5 Calinou: does carbone have boats?
18:17 PenguinDad sfan5: it also has hoovers and carts
18:17 PenguinDad *hovers
18:17 sfan5 is that a yes?
18:17 PenguinDad yes that's yes
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18:19 Calinou sfan5, yes
18:19 Calinou pretty boats
18:19 Calinou tweaked (faster speed, faster turns)
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18:20 BlockMen and the same fixes made in next :P
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18:22 john_minetest Hello everypony
18:22 * sfan5 taps john_minetest
18:22 Calinou hi john_minetest
18:23 john_minetest Hmmm... where does VLC has the pan settings?
18:24 john_minetest This internet radio is louder on my right ear than on my left ear.
18:27 sfan5 john_minetest: >VLC
18:27 john_minetest I can't receive internet radio with mpv
18:28 john_minetest Nor with mplayer.
18:28 Calinou john_minetest, Pavucontrol can change sound volume per ear
18:28 john_minetest pavucontrol is pulse. I got alsa
18:28 Megaf alsamixer then?
18:30 sfan5 john_minetest: which internet radio?
18:30 john_minetest Idk how to do single-side control. There is a way but I forgot.
18:31 john_minetest sfan5: icecast stream.
18:31 sfan5 link?
18:31 sfan5 john_minetest: PulseAudio bases on ALSA http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/PulseAudio
18:31 john_minetest pulse is laggy. bad latency.
18:32 john_minetest Also it breaks my system.
18:32 PenguinDad john_minetest: use JACK with a real time kernel then
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18:32 asie PenguinDad: that's actually what my friend uses
18:32 asie he finds it far easier to apply effects to audio in JACK than in PA
18:33 asie i personally just stay with ALSA
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18:36 Calinou <john_minetest> pulse is laggy. bad latency.
18:36 Calinou there are settings to tweak I
18:36 Calinou there shouldn't be any noticeable latency by default with HyperThreading
18:37 john_minetest Still it does break my stuff.
18:37 sfan5 Calinou: what if you don't have HT?
18:37 Calinou then try to tweak it
18:38 john_minetest For serious stuff I use jackd.
18:38 john_minetest My sound card is actually too bad to process sound properly.
18:38 sfan5 ~buy a new one~
18:39 Calinou john_minetest, dedicated sound card?
18:39 Calinou sfan5, these have no point in 2014 for 99% of users
18:40 john_minetest Calinou: It is dedicated but it is shit.
18:40 jp__ http://i.imgur.com/FgRFgW6.png
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18:43 * Megaf prefers OSS
18:43 Megaf Open Sound System
18:44 * PenguinDad prefers RTOSS
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18:45 PenguinDad Really True Open Sound system
18:45 * asie prefers cat sound.raw > /dev/...
18:45 nman3600 hi
18:45 Calinou OSS is old
18:45 nman3600 Krock, You've got to change the stone brick recipe on your server 4 stone = 1 stone brick should be 4 stone = 4 stone brick
18:46 Calinou jp__, we like the picture in the middle.
18:46 Megaf asie: That's a good one
18:46 jp__ We ?
18:46 Krock nman3600, why?
18:46 Calinou sarcasm
18:46 nman3600 Krock me and Rhys are finding it annoying
18:46 Krock get more furnaces then
18:46 jp__ Ah, I see well what picture you like, naturally ;)
18:47 nman3600 Krock that's not the problem it's that having to use loads of stone for 1 bit of stone brick at a time
18:47 nman3600 it's a waste of stoen
18:47 nman3600 stone*
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18:47 Krock nman, it's not a waste- would you prefer 2x slower cobble digging?
18:48 nman3600 If it means getting 4 stone brick at a time then yes
18:48 Krock s/2x/4x
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18:51 nman3600 Krock i'm not saying you've got to change it. Some People will prefer it changed. It's your server.
18:57 Calinou RealBadAngel, did you pull request your lighting changes (lighting angle)?
18:57 Megaf Good article about sound on Linux http://tuxradar.com/content/how-it​-works-linux-audio-explained#null
19:01 john_minetest Megaf: Isn't OSS outdated?
19:02 Calinou it really is
19:02 Calinou Megaf, it's often said to suck, but actually doesn't
19:04 jp__ sfan5 : could you create a function in WE that when you place a //pos1 (-> the summit), it create a mountain under the pos to the ground ?
19:05 sfan5 maybe
19:05 sfan5 file an issue on github
19:05 sfan5 I'll forget it otherwise
19:05 jp__ It would be great !
19:06 Megaf OSS is the best we have for low latency
19:06 jp__ I'm not familiar with github... :/
19:06 Calinou probably Jack
19:06 Calinou it's designed for low latency and specific usae
19:06 Calinou usage
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19:11 Megaf but Jack still needs ALSA or OSS
19:13 sfan5 alsa or oss is not the latency problem
19:13 jp__ sfan5 : in fact, it must be place //pos1 for the summit, and //pos2 (pos1 <-> pos2 = radius) on the ground for the mountain width.
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19:15 MinetestBot GIT: sfan5 commited to minetest/minetest: Fix AppData path for RUN_IN_PLACE, fixes #1365 5b3bbde1ef 2014-06-13T21:09:55+02:00 http://git.io/p5Myiw
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19:18 sapier https://forum.minetest.net/v​iewtopic.php?f=3&amp;t=9389 Android port is almost done, there are just a few gliches left, none of those (I know about) is mission critical
19:18 sapier please test and verify there aren't unknown critical bugs
19:18 khonkhortisan ooh an apk file, I could download that to a simulator
19:19 LemonLake or just get an android to actually test it
19:19 Megaf sapier: we need a port for Intel
19:20 ShadowNinja sapier: Did you fix the unlimited pitch bug?
19:20 Megaf it works already on Intel?
19:22 Megaf sapier: and why you no host the apks on github?
19:22 Megaf or dropbox
19:22 ShadowNinja Megaf: GitHub only hosts source tarballs.
19:22 john_minetest aren't apks binaries?
19:22 john_minetest right
19:23 ShadowNinja john_minetest: No, they're renamed zipballs.
19:23 john_minetest The use zip?
19:23 john_minetest I thought everybody is using tar.<something> now.
19:23 john_minetest Mostly xz or gz.
19:24 Megaf everyone should
19:24 Megaf they dont because windows
19:27 Calinou .tgz, .tbz, .txz :>
19:27 Calinou (not sure if .txz is anything official)
19:29 sfan5 Calinou: I never heard of .tbz
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19:30 PenguinDad living with only 200 kbit/s is fun
19:30 Calinou or .tb2
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19:34 john_minetest why not two things seperated with a dot?
19:34 john_minetest tar.gz,  tar.xz,  tar.bz2
19:34 PenguinDad I bet because of windows
19:37 john_minetest http://www.xkcd.com/743/
19:37 LemonLake argh
19:37 LemonLake trying to make this cup look right in blender but when subdividing it, with cc it looks like a condom and with simple it doesn't change anything
19:37 LemonLake >.<
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19:39 skittle_ ..
19:39 skittle_ did i press the right minetest/
19:39 LemonLake What do you need, skittle_?
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19:55 Megaf CraigyDavi: I don't know if I can fix that, that happens on table saws too
19:55 LemonLake I made a thing. https://cdn.mediacru.sh/cmKYMBrpmOVr.png
19:56 Megaf LemonLake: a Condom?
19:56 Megaf Just kidding
19:56 LemonLake A cup. You dirty minded prick lol
19:56 CraigyDavi Megaf, You don't think you can fix what?
19:56 Megaf LemonLake: looks like a good cup
19:56 Megaf sorry, sometimes I forget we dont have shared memory
19:57 Megaf CraigyDavi: https://github.com/Megaf/more_chests/issues/3
19:57 LemonLake Megaf: I know what you were on about :P
19:58 CraigyDavi Megaf, Ah okay
19:58 Megaf https://github.com/Megaf/more_ches​ts/issues/3#issuecomment-46053590
19:58 Megaf ^ sapier
19:59 Megaf what you think?
20:00 Taoki Hi. Does anyone know why minetest.set_player_privs isn't working at all?
20:00 LemonLake Have you tried using it right?
20:00 LemonLake Send a code snip ^.^
20:00 Taoki I followed the example on the minetest page
20:02 Taoki minetest.set_player_privs("singleplayer", {interact=false}) The example I tried which clearly doesn't work locally
20:02 LemonLake singleplayer privs aren't saved afaik
20:03 Taoki They are, as they work and are modified with the /grant command
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20:10 BlockMen Taoki, not sure (because i never done anything with privs), but maybe use nil instead of false?
20:12 PenguinDad Taoki: you can't remove singleplayer's base privs like interact and shout
20:13 Taoki PenguinDad: It doesn't work for fly either
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20:18 BlockMen Taoki, it works: minetest.set_player_privs("singleplayer", {fly=nil})
20:19 Taoki Ah... ok. Then the documentation might be wrong
20:19 Krock (or get_privs_table, set "fly"=nil and tabl_to_privs
20:19 Krock )
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20:20 rubenwardy Yo!
20:20 Megaf Me!
20:20 Vazon Hey Megaf :)
20:20 Megaf Hi
20:20 ShadowNinja Taoki: That sets the privileges, removing all old ones.  Just use {}.
20:21 ShadowNinja It's not add_privs, it's set_pivs.
20:21 ShadowNinja privs*
20:21 ShadowNinja Use get_player_privs first if you want to change privs.
20:21 ShadowNinja Individual privs that is.
20:23 ShadowNinja Using privilege lists instead of tables would be cleaner, but slightly less optimized.
20:23 ShadowNinja (And harder to check)
20:25 Vazon ShadowNinja do you have any idea why the dropondie mod, when a player dies there tools fully repair and technic tools drain??? and is there anyway to stop them from reseting?
20:26 ShadowNinja their* You aren't preserving wear and metadata.
20:26 ShadowNinja Vazon: Using to_string drops those properties.
20:27 ShadowNinja So make sure you use to_table or actual ItemStack objects.
20:27 Vazon ok, if i paste the code can you give me a fix???
20:27 ShadowNinja Vazon: Maybe.
20:27 Vazon kk give me a sec and thanks
20:30 Vazon ShadowNinja: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7640620/
20:33 ShadowNinja Vazon: -env:  And you're using get_name()..' '..get_count().  Lemme see what the API supports...
20:33 Vazon ok
20:33 ShadowNinja "name is ItemStack, itemstring or table."
20:33 ShadowNinja So just pass the itemstack
20:34 ShadowNinja Also, you can reduce indentation by doing "if not obj then return end"
20:39 Vazon i dont see what part you are talking about shadow
20:40 Taoki BlockMen: Apparently, privs not in that list are automatically set to false. Any way around that?
20:42 BlockMen Taoki, "20:10 BlockMen ... (because i never done anything with privs)"
20:42 BlockMen i guess you ask the wrong person ;)
20:42 Taoki ok :)
20:44 Amaz Has anyone go any ideas why this isn't working?   minetest.register_alias("mapgen_water", "colourcubes_mapgen:nyan_source")
20:44 Amaz minetest.register_alias("default:water_source", "colourcubes_mapgen:nyan_source")
20:44 Amaz Just leaves normal water...
20:48 Vazon ShadowNinja: I dont understand what your saying to change
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20:51 ShadowNinja Vazon: Pass the itemstack to add_item, instead of converting it to a partial itemstring.
20:52 Vazon I have no idea what you mean by pass the itemstack, this kinda mod isnt my thing. that is why i asked
20:55 LemonLake minetest.env:add_item(pos, istack)
20:55 LemonLake i think he means that
20:55 Vazon Lemon where would i put that???
20:55 LemonLake where you previously have used it
20:55 Vazon this isnt my mod, i didnt make it so i havent used it anywhere :P
20:56 LemonLake line 3 of your paste
20:56 Vazon o ok
20:57 LemonLake ShadowNinja: there was correct
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20:58 LemonLake +1 for btinternet
21:00 ShadowNinja Vazon: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7640757/
21:01 LemonLake ^
21:01 ShadowNinja Vazon: A lot of the other code is no longer needed, and that dumps all lists, not just main and craft.
21:01 Vazon ok, even armor?
21:01 ShadowNinja Yes.
21:01 Vazon bags?
21:01 LemonLake everything in the inventory
21:02 ShadowNinja Well, it if's done with player inventories.
21:02 LemonLake unified inventory bags are, i know that
21:02 Vazon ok
21:02 ShadowNinja Lemme check if that set_lists line will really clear everything...
21:02 Vazon so that paste that you jsut gave me is all i need?
21:03 ShadowNinja Vazon: Yes, it won't clear the inventory properly though.  One sec...
21:03 Vazon kk
21:04 ShadowNinja Vazon: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7640765/
21:05 Taoki Is it possible to do inventory:set_size("main", 0)? I have a mod where I want player inventory to be 0 entirely
21:05 Taoki Or is 1 the smallest value?
21:05 LemonLake the player to have NO inventory? o.o
21:05 Taoki yeah
21:06 Taoki I need it for a mod of mine
21:06 LemonLake that might cause a lot of problems with other mods where they add something to inventories
21:06 FreeFull Huh, I generated a big amount of blocks in a watershed world, but the map.sqlite file is only 32MB
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21:06 FreeFull Do watershed worlds compress well or such?
21:07 Vazon ShadowNinja i replaced everything with that last paste you gave me and it crashed
21:08 ShadowNinja Vazon: Error message?
21:08 WindHero no better or worse than any others, FreeFull
21:08 WindHero The only difference is that there are a handful of extra node types
21:08 FreeFull Would you expect it to be just 32MB if you generated a bunch of chunks but didn't modify most of them?
21:09 Vazon ShadowNinja: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7640788/
21:09 m5 LemonLake, You made a comment yesterday
21:09 m5 It's not young, it's been online for about a year
21:09 WindHero it hardly matters if you modify them
21:09 Taoki Awesome, 0-sized inventory actually works
21:10 WindHero minetest isn't *that* efficient with maps
21:10 WindHero ...afaik
21:11 LemonLake m5: Sorry?
21:11 ShadowNinja Vazon: Try this:
21:11 ShadowNinja http://paste.ubuntu.com/7640804/
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21:11 m5 LemonLake, ~You're getting ahead of yourself...
21:11 ligeti Hello :)
21:11 m5 Something like that
21:11 * m5 looks at logs
21:12 LemonLake Whatever
21:13 m5 Jun 12 20:57:02 <LemonLake>you're getting ahead of yourself
21:13 m5 Jun 12 20:56:58 <LemonLake>your server is quite young
21:13 LemonLake Okay.
21:14 LemonLake Never realised. You kept acting like it was brand new.
21:14 Vazon ShadowNinja: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7640816/ crashed again
21:16 ShadowNinja Vazon: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7640828/
21:17 m5 The name changed from MarkTwain to Atomicon and back
21:17 m5 It is a new map though
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21:18 Vazon Much better thanks.
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21:20 Vazon armor drops fine, but the bags duplicate Shadow
21:21 ShadowNinja Vazon: Hmmm, bags might store themselves in a weird way...
21:22 Vazon it droped the items out of the bag just fine and they didnt replicate but it droped a bag but it stayed in the slot and was empty and still useable and so i had 2 bags then
21:24 Vazon cna you change it to just the items in the bags  drop but not the bags them selfs?
21:25 ShadowNinja Vazon: It seems like the items in the bags are stored with the player, but not the bags themselves, which is backwards.
21:25 ShadowNinja But the bags shouldn't drop, while the items should.
21:25 LemonLake Also, Vazon: We're here to help you but not write everything for you
21:25 LemonLake Perhaps you could start learning how inventories work, the dev wiki has a lot on them
21:25 Vazon yes i know this Lemon, i dont know inventory
21:28 john_minetest Alright, I've been thinking. When life gives you lemons, don't make lemonade - make life take the lemons back! Get mad! I don't want your damn lemons, what am I supposed to do with these? Demand to see life's manager. Make life rue the day it thought it could give Cave Johnson lemons. Do you know who I am? I'm the man who's gonna burn your house down! With the lemons. I'm going to to get my engineers to invent a combustible
21:28 john_minetest lemon that burns your house down!
21:28 CaveJohnson you called?
21:29 LemonLake john_minetest: u wot m8
21:29 Chell ...
21:29 Jordach damn that was fast
21:29 Chell ......
21:29 Chell ...
21:29 Chell ........
21:29 Chell ..
21:29 Chell .....
21:29 Jordach DAMN THAT WAS FAST
21:29 LemonLake stop
21:30 john_minetest I didn't say anything.
21:30 PenguinDad !rev DAMN THAT WAS FAST
21:30 MinetestBot TSAF SAW TAHT NMAD
21:30 Jordach oh wtf
21:30 nman3600 lol NMAD is close to nman
21:30 Krock ShadowBot isn't here = no automatic kicking?
21:30 john_minetest Jordach: I tried all the other characters before but they were all registered.
21:30 Jordach my keyboard has done it again
21:30 john_minetest GlaDOS and Caroline are already taken and online.
21:31 nman3600 !rev my keyboard has done it again
21:31 MinetestBot niaga ti enod sah draobyek ym
21:31 john_minetest !rev regallager
21:31 MinetestBot regallager
21:31 nman3600 !rev race car
21:31 MinetestBot rac ecar
21:31 john_minetest !rev Hey, listen up down there! That thing's called an elevator - not a bathroom.
21:31 MinetestBot .moorhtab a ton - rotavele na dellac s'gniht tahT !ereht nwod pu netsil ,yeH
21:31 nman3600 !rev racecar
21:31 MinetestBot racecar
21:31 john_minetest !rev adsfaskllksafsda
21:31 MinetestBot adsfaskllksafsda
21:32 john_minetest Wow! Amazing!
21:32 nman3600 !rev Minetest is the best minecraft similar game ever
21:32 MinetestBot reve emag ralimis tfarcenim tseb eht si tseteniM
21:32 LemonLake omfg
21:32 nman3600 can you reverse rainbow?
21:32 john_minetest !rev Minecraft is the worse minetest clone ever
21:32 MinetestBot reve enolc tsetenim esrow eht si tfarceniM
21:32 PenguinDad !rev Epic Rainwub
21:32 MinetestBot buwniaR cipE
21:32 ShadowNinja nman3600: MTB doesn't support nested commands, so no.
21:33 nman3600 :(
21:33 LemonLake you can do this tho
21:33 LemonLake !rainbow Rainbow
21:33 MinetestBot 4R4a4i7n7b7o8w
21:33 Jordach yay
21:33 Jordach solved why my keyboard fucked me around
21:33 john_minetest !rev keew, la crow, i
21:33 MinetestBot i ,worc al ,week
21:33 Jordach alt + shift = en_US
21:33 LemonLake then rev that (if your client supports copying colors)
21:33 nman3600 !rev wobniar!
21:33 MinetestBot !rainbow
21:33 m5 nman3600, Hi
21:34 ShadowNinja Enough with the bot.
21:34 nman3600 m5, yo
21:34 PenguinDad !rev RAINBOW
21:34 MinetestBot W20\x03O11\x03B01\x03N90\x03I30\x03A80\x03R70\x03
21:34 Krock !rev !rainbow NYANNYANNYANNYAN
21:34 MinetestBot NAYNNAYNNAYNNAYN wobniar!
21:34 Krock lol
21:34 LemonLake wobniar... genius
21:34 nman3600 !rev wobniar! hi
21:34 MinetestBot ih !rainbow
21:34 nman3600 !rev hi wobniar!
21:34 MinetestBot !rainbow ih
21:34 m5 !wobinar
21:34 Jordach quit it.
21:34 LemonLake ^
21:34 LemonLake what jordach said
21:34 LemonLake its annoying
21:34 * Krock hides
21:35 * nman3600 blames MinetestBot
21:35 * PenguinDad fetches his cape
21:35 * LemonLake blames nman3600
21:35 nman3600 i didn't start it!
21:35 * m5 hides
21:35 nman3600 IT WAS PenguinDad
21:35 LemonLake Jordach, my fluid isn't accepting the cup as an obstacle
21:35 * Krock thinks, m5 hides tooslow
21:35 m5 <PenguinDad> !rev RAINBOW
21:35 nman3600 GE STARTED IT
21:35 LemonLake the particles sorta wrap around the cup lid but apart from that they just go right through it
21:36 nman3600 he*
21:36 Jordach LemonLake, you made sure the object has *thickness*?
21:36 Krock Ey, who started chatting?
21:36 LemonLake nman3600: just shut up
21:36 LemonLake Jordach: Thickness?
21:36 Jordach and is an obstacle
21:36 * nman3600 shuts this up object
21:36 Krock nman3600, yeah. listen to your bro :P
21:36 nman3600 Krock, nein
21:36 Krock Y
21:37 LemonLake nman3600: I am literally six yards from you
21:37 PenguinDad up:shut(true)
21:37 LemonLake I will strangle you if I must
21:37 nman3600 LemonLake i know
21:37 Jordach LemonLake, get a picture while you're at it
21:37 PenguinDad LemonLake: use MISSINGNO.
21:37 nman3600 I honestly don't give a shit
21:37 LemonLake Jordach: Will do
21:37 LemonLake nman3600: You will when you get strangled.
21:38 john_minetest !rainbow !rev !rainbow
21:38 MinetestBot 4!4r4e7v7 7!8r8a8i3n3b3ow
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21:38 LemonLake He spat all over his arm.
21:38 LemonLake Disgusting.
21:38 Jordach hey ShadowBot
21:38 ShadowBot Hello Jordach!
21:38 nman3600 ahh you crushed me
21:38 LemonLake Jordach: What is this thickness you speak of?
21:38 john_minetest LemonLake: "Disgusting" rhymes with "Myth-busting"
21:39 PenguinDad <3 ShadowNinja
21:39 PenguinDad derp
21:39 PenguinDad <3 ShadowBot
21:39 ShadowBot 04♥ PenguinDad.
21:39 Jordach LemonLake, instead of just thin planes, you need to add a second face behind or in front of it by extruding or using solidify
21:39 Krock ~give Krock bed
21:39 ShadowBot Krock: <bed>
21:39 LemonLake Jordach: Seen
21:39 Krock thx, ShadowBot
21:39 LemonLake Testing dat
21:40 Jordach LemonLake, is it also a liquid obstacle?
21:40 LemonLake Jordach: Yep, hence why it sorta wraps around a bit
21:40 Jordach hmmm
21:40 LemonLake I'm making it thick now
21:43 LemonLake Jordach: still, https://cdn.mediacru.sh/mp7g9DcvTCJj.png
21:44 LemonLake thickness was set to 0.1810, it's the only one I can get it to without it looking weird
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22:02 Jordach Taoki, https://cdn.mediacru.sh/2m-mcYZ83Xky.png
22:02 Jordach fite me m8
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22:03 Taoki Nice!
22:03 Jordach i don't need your Cycles
22:03 VanessaE so can someone remind me again how to enable jungles on a map?
22:03 VanessaE now that it's changed yet again?
22:03 Jordach VanessaE, YAUCC
22:03 Jordach Yet another useless conf change
22:04 WindHero Holy yams
22:05 WindHero I left minetest running in the background after telling it to print two values during mapgen
22:05 WindHero now my debug.txt is 22 MB
22:05 Jordach pastebin
22:05 Jordach plz
22:05 WindHero I'll just paste a portion
22:05 Jordach >a portion
22:05 Jordach not enough :D
22:07 WindHero oh wait
22:07 WindHero looks like most of it was from testing the biome map loader
22:08 WindHero it was only 2.26 MB of new stuff :P
22:09 WindHero bah
22:09 WindHero 797.05664634705
22:09 WindHero 768
22:09 WindHero 796.93373680115
22:09 WindHero 768
22:10 WindHero about 300 lines of that ^
22:10 WindHero pastebin nearly crashed the browser when I wanted to paste 2 MB
22:14 LemonLake it doesnt let you paste more than a certain number of bytes
22:16 WindHero yeah
22:16 BlockMen gd night everyone
22:16 WindHero g'night
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22:21 tim_flatus Hello, I'd like to talk to you about ore distribution. "Sheet" mode crashes my game. I'm running 0.4.9. Adding noise_params doesn't appear to affect anything, same with noise__threshhold. As I have no idea what values to expect for noise (-1 to +1 ?) I'm flailing around in the dark.
22:22 LemonLake tim_flatus: tried a git version?
22:22 tim_flatus That's adding noise_params to "scatter" distribution. Yes I have read the !verbose api.
22:23 tim_flatus LemonLake: no
22:23 LemonLake whoa whoa whoa
22:23 LemonLake since when was minetest on the software manager?
22:25 tim_flatus It is in Debian testing
22:25 LemonLake tim_flatus Try getting a git version
22:25 tim_flatus I don't want to right now.
22:27 tim_flatus I want to build the game against the stable version. I can wait and use the scatter method for now.
22:28 tim_flatus If it doesn't work in 0.4.9, this would explain why nobody understands how to use the noise parameters ;-)
22:32 tim_flatus It would be nice to have coal seams and gem veins, but it's not a biggie. Overall game play is more important.
22:36 m5 "People with open apartament doors will be kicked out of their apartament." :P
22:54 Artemis3 good i left the door closed
22:55 Artemis3 not like i remember what server that was (with the apartments)
22:56 m5 Mah server
22:56 tim_flatus Seems a little draconian
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23:04 Artemis3 game needs proper elevator, with elevator music
23:04 Artemis3 and bell when reaching floor
23:04 LemonLake yes
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