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00:40 WindHero there, made an official update to skylands
00:42 WindHero Probably should have made some default support for cavorite ore before putting it up
00:42 WindHero but I'm mostly interested in having it there for other mods to build off of
00:43 WindHero I guess in the next update I'll do what I say I will in the post: make tool upgrades
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00:48 WindHero hey Enke
00:48 Enke 'ey WindHero
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01:32 Drae Hi guys
01:33 Drae Guys?
01:34 Enke All 108 of us. Including bots.
01:35 Drae Anyone gonna talk to me?
01:36 Drae Please
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01:38 Drae Hello?
01:39 Drae Guys it make me sad when no talk
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03:44 Megaf !seen 0gb.us
03:44 MinetestBot Megaf: Sorry, I haven't seen 0gb.us around.
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03:44 MinetestBot Megaf: Sorry, I haven't seen 0gbus around.
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03:44 MinetestBot Megaf: Sorry, I haven't seen 0us.gb around.
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03:58 Vazon VanessaE you around?
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04:23 VanessaE Vazon: yeah, I'm here now
04:23 Vazon ok
04:24 VanessaE kaeza: if you feel like attacking that glitch, I'd be most appreciative :)
04:24 Vazon Question: How would one go about adding a block to pipeworks, like the money mod shops???
04:24 VanessaE purpose of same?
04:27 Vazon well its to fill the shops, but since it has money involved i didnt know if it would change
04:28 VanessaE that would be difficult for me
04:28 VanessaE I'm not good with pipeworks' API
04:28 VanessaE nore is though
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04:29 Vazon mhmmm kk
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04:52 Megaf Vazon; https://github.com/Megaf/more_chests
04:52 Megaf want to help?
04:52 Megaf Improving it
04:52 Vazon sure
04:53 Megaf Vazon; I just added you as colaborator
04:54 Vazon ok, Megaf pm
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05:11 Megaf https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cjHNPzv9sGY
05:11 Megaf ops
05:11 Megaf wrong window
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07:01 PenguinDad Hello everypony!
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07:14 jin_xi ZOMG!!!11! PONYZ!!! KIttehz!
07:15 PenguinDad ,11Y ,02U ,06S,02O ,04L,13O,10U,02D,09?
07:16 jin_xi WUT?
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07:33 * VanessaE is suddenly reminded if a long lost slashdot april fools' joke theme
07:34 VanessaE jin_xi:  http://www.desiringmachine.org/blog/wp-c​ontent/uploads/2006/04/pink_slashdot.jpg
07:36 jin_xi wow slashdot. havent looked at it for a while... now i go back to fark.com
07:37 VanessaE you're not missing much :P
07:37 VanessaE all the good stuff is on soylentnews.org now, but they don't have nearly the level of traffic and posts
07:43 jin_xi how's your cat VanessaE ?
07:43 VanessaE they're both fine
07:44 jin_xi yay
07:45 PenguinDad lol https://i.imgur.com/KIWLhqF.jpg
07:47 VanessaE oooookay
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10:36 Drae Hi guys
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10:38 w_laenger hi
10:39 Drae How u doing
10:44 Drae Fine if no one is going to talk to me I'll leave.
10:44 w_laenger /set sound_command play
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10:46 Drae Hi vazon
10:47 Vazon Hi Drae
10:51 Drae Vazon how I doing?
10:52 Drae Oops
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11:46 Drae Hi
11:46 Amaz Hm?
11:46 Drae How r u spin
11:47 Drae *doin
11:48 w_laenger hi
11:49 Drae Hi
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11:49 PenguinDad Drae: I'm not spinning right now :P
11:49 Drae XD
11:52 * Amaz is trying to compile gsmappers for windows...
11:53 * Drae is just bored.
11:55 w_laenger there's a mod which changes all the inventory images of nodes with a specific drawtype to simple inventory images.
11:55 * PenguinDad just compiled LuaJIT
12:00 * Drae is confused by all the computer talk. :p
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12:02 Drae Afk guys
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12:12 Megaf Hi all
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12:14 w_laenger hi
12:16 Megaf People, I need more contributors here please. https://github.com/Megaf/more_chests
12:17 w_laenger take the connected_chests code, it's WTFPL
12:18 Megaf w_laenger; different mods with different objectives
12:19 Megaf I can add connected_chests to more_chests actually
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12:19 w_laenger if you want
12:20 Megaf well, I still need help to fix a bug. https://github.com/Megaf/more_chests/issues/1
12:21 w_laenger https://github.com/Megaf/more_ch​ests/blob/master/shared.lua#L98
12:22 w_laenger mach if not fields then return end
12:22 w_laenger sry
12:22 w_laenger write*
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12:24 Megaf w_laenger; you mean, creating a new line and adding "if not fields then return end"?
12:25 w_laenger yes
12:25 w_laenger this could work
12:27 RealBadAngel hmmm, where's the function "shared" defined?
12:28 Megaf ServerError: /home/megaf/RAM/minetest/bin/../​mods/more_chests/shared.lua:98: attempt to call global 'shared' (a nil value)
12:28 Megaf /home/megaf/RAM/minetest/bin/../​mods/more_chests/shared.lua:98: in function </home/megaf/RAM/minetest/bin/..​/mods/more_chests/shared.lua:94>
12:28 Megaf RealBadAngel; no idea
12:28 Megaf I caused it to crash now leaving the input box empty and clicking submit
12:28 RealBadAngel meta:set_string("formspec", formspec(fields.shared))
12:28 RealBadAngel line looked like that before
12:29 RealBadAngel formspec is a function defined at line #14
12:29 RealBadAngel you have changed it to another function called "shared"
12:29 Megaf RealBadAngel; we changed the bit already trying to fix it https://github.com/Megaf/more_c​hests/commits/master/shared.lua
12:30 Megaf ok
12:30 RealBadAngel so, show me the function called "shared" then
12:30 RealBadAngel you are trying to use
12:31 * Megaf looks at Vazon
12:31 Megaf how do I revert the file to a previous state?
12:31 RealBadAngel either write that function or change it back to call "formspec" function defined at line #14 again
12:34 Megaf https://github.com/Megaf/more_ch​ests/blob/master/shared.lua#L98
12:34 Megaf I will try again
12:35 Megaf RealBadAngel; there's no "shared" you are right
12:36 Megaf ServerError: /home/megaf/RAM/minetest/bin/../​mods/more_chests/shared.lua:98: attempt to call local 'formspec' (a string value)
12:36 Megaf /home/megaf/RAM/minetest/bin/../​mods/more_chests/shared.lua:98: in function </home/megaf/RAM/minetest/bin/..​/mods/more_chests/shared.lua:94>
12:36 Megaf ^ RealBadAngel
12:36 w_laenger you could rename the function formspec
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12:38 Megaf I could add you as contributor
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12:39 ecutruin 'elo.
12:39 Megaf Hi ecutruin
12:39 PenguinDad Megaf: you could rename the argument of the on_recieve_fields function
12:40 Megaf rename to what? Why?
12:40 RealBadAngel its misleading only
12:41 RealBadAngel you have to check "if fields.shared then"
12:41 w_laenger because formspec is already used and without renaming it would be redefined as sth different
12:41 RealBadAngel then perform those actions
12:41 ecutruin Hey RealBadAngel, I'm curiosus, one thing I didn't get an answer to yesterday was...connected textures on nonglass blocks.  Is that something that's possible?
12:43 ecutruin Without using a ton of individual nodes, at least. XD
12:43 RealBadAngel there was such a mod already i think
12:43 ecutruin I managed to find one for glass.. but supposedly that just uses the glass code.
12:44 RealBadAngel Megaf, i fixed that for ya
12:44 w_laenger ecutruin, you could use param1 and param2
12:44 * ecutruin hrms
12:44 ecutruin w_laenger, param1 and 2 on what?  I know nothing of minetest beyond my initial research. xD
12:45 w_laenger the rotation
12:45 RealBadAngel first, such node should be changed to use facedir
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12:45 RealBadAngel so it could be rotated in the first place
12:46 Megaf RealBadAngel; wow, it's fixed indeed, thans a million :)
12:46 ecutruin But, I mean.. to get every possible permutation, I'd need a TON of nodes per material type I wanted to be connectable, because you cannot dynamically manipulate a texture at runtime, no?
12:47 Megaf s/thans/Thanks
12:47 RealBadAngel ecutruin, yes. by now theres no other way
12:48 ecutruin Is there a effective limit on the number of nodes you can have?
12:48 w_laenger http://i.imgur.com/SS5L9nE.png
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12:50 w_laenger https://github.com/HybridDog/miscellane​ous/blob/master/txt/luas/net_noise.lua
12:50 RealBadAngel https://github.com/Novatux/min​etest/tree/meta_set_nodedef_4
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12:50 RealBadAngel ecutruin, ^^ heres a branch with code that allows to store nodedef in node's meta
12:51 ecutruin I've been out of touch with programming for a long time.. how does that help? ^-^;
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12:54 ecutruin I do really appreciate ya all helping to answer my questions. :3
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13:03 Megaf RealBadAngel;
13:03 Megaf 10:03:17: ERROR[main]: [C]: in function 'add_node'
13:03 Megaf 10:03:17: ERROR[main]: /home/megaf/RAM/minetest/bin/​../builtin/game/item.lua:276: in function </home/megaf/RAM/minetest/bin/​../builtin/game/item.lua:191>
13:04 Megaf This when I was placing the chests
13:04 Megaf weird
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13:04 Megaf RealBadAngel; Yep, that happens when I place the Shared chest
13:07 RealBadAngel meta:set_string("formspec", formspec(""))
13:08 RealBadAngel change the line to meta:set_string("formspec", get_formspec(""))
13:08 ecutruin Oh.. and here's what I mean by connected textures btw.. http://img547.imageshack.us/img547/4826/pch5.png
13:08 ecutruin And I did find https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=6735 for minetest, but it seems to be only for glass.
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13:13 RealBadAngel because it is using drawtype glasslike_framed
13:13 RealBadAngel and it is only for glass
13:14 RealBadAngel i wonder why author called the mod connected textures in the first place
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13:14 RealBadAngel it has nothing to do with that
13:16 * ecutruin snickers.
13:17 ecutruin RealBadAngel, is there a way to get the same effect with non-glass?.. or is there any actual reason its glass only in the first place?
13:17 Megaf RealBadAngel; 0gb.us who made that mod
13:17 Megaf ah
13:17 Megaf never mind
13:17 Megaf by the, I just created the texture to the cobble chest https://github.com/Megaf/more_chests/commit/df3db​c92d8eb42b5db60d3b5bdbf521f4f0bab05?diff-0=0-100
13:20 Megaf RealBadAngel; the changed worked
13:20 Megaf Thanks again
13:20 RealBadAngel np
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13:26 ecutruin Oh hey, its asie. ^-^
13:27 asie hi
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13:31 Megaf Hi asie
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13:42 asie i'm bored
13:45 Jordach hello
13:45 Jordach asie, the guy who made enderstorage appeared here yesterday
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13:47 asie chickenbones?
13:47 asie oh god
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14:01 Eater4 XD
14:01 ecutruin Jordach, that would be me..
14:01 ecutruin CB is indeed the developer though. ^-^
14:01 Eater4 Hey asie
14:02 Jordach ecutruin, i can't remember everything :P
14:02 ecutruin I am essentially it's "creator" though. :3
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14:11 ecutruin I am still kinda looking into what I want to do with Minetest right now. ^-^  Thanks again for answering my questions yesterday, Jordach.
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14:14 Jordach that choice is yours :3
14:16 w_laenger sell it to minecraft
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14:18 asie ecutruin: why did you follow me into here, though?
14:18 w_laenger or sell it as minecraft
14:19 ecutruin asie, I didn't. xD
14:19 ecutruin Just happens that I was shown Minetest again a few days ago.
14:19 ecutruin I've been seeing if it would be a good alternative to MC for me to design content for.
14:20 asie ecutruin: It is in desperate need of good texture artists, indeed
14:20 ecutruin Yeah.. I noticed..
14:20 ecutruin I've also noticed quite a few of the mods are just duplicates of MC mods.
14:21 asie Of course
14:21 asie Mesegates is a duplicate of RP2 gates, in a way
14:21 sfan5 meow
14:21 sfan5 hi everyone
14:21 sfan5 hi asie
14:21 w_laenger mc mods are free in comparison to mc itself
14:22 w_laenger hi
14:22 asie w_laenger: not all mc mods are free software
14:22 asie some are free software, a few more are open source, but the big ones are closed in all aspects
14:22 asie to anyone but Mojang, as per the EULA
14:22 sfan5 <asie> to anyone but Mojang, as per the EULA
14:22 sfan5 uhh.. no
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14:22 asie sfan5: yes that's exactly what the EULA says
14:22 sfan5 link?
14:22 asie modders can put any terms on their mods, as long as they are freely downloadable
14:23 asie "If you make any content available on or through our Game, you must give us permission to use, copy, modify and adapt that content. This permission must be irrevocable, and you must also let us permit other people to use, copy, modify and adapt your content. If you don‘t want to give us this permission, do not make content available on or through our Game. Please think carefully before you make any content available, because it will be ma
14:23 asie de public and might even be used by other people in a way you don‘t like."
14:23 asie https://account.mojang.com​/documents/minecraft_eula
14:23 asie historically, this was added for Minecraft Realms
14:23 asie but in practice it can apply for just about anything
14:24 Megaf my best mod yet. https://github.com/Megaf/green_screen
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14:24 Megaf I know there's a mod like that already, but it does not works like I want
14:25 ecutruin asie, that was specifically denied by Mojang awhile back.  It doesn't apply to the actual code of mods.  It is more along the lines of Maps built or youtube videos.
14:25 NakedFury Mojang is also going to start watching for servers that hide features or gameplay behind a pay wall
14:25 ecutruin Basically, they need the right to promote their game.
14:25 asie ecutruin: Law is law, though, and the EULA makes no exception for tha
14:25 ecutruin It would NEVER hold up.
14:25 sfan5 ^
14:25 realtinymonster wut?
14:25 * realtinymonster is puzzled
14:25 sfan5 https://mediacru.sh/0ugQ59NgE-1C
14:25 sfan5 lol
14:26 realtinymonster haha
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14:28 w_laenger i=1; while true; do; sudo kill $i; i=(($i+1));done
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14:28 Enke sfan5: Very true.
14:29 Jordach pssh
14:29 Jordach i don't even bother with a crashy browser
14:29 Enke "Stop asking me if I want to close the frozen window! If I hit the button, I want it closed! And I don't want Microsoft to have an error report! Just close the window!"
14:29 sfan5 w_laenger: can you stop doing that?
14:29 w_laenger take care that Krock doesn't click on this link
14:29 w_laenger sorry
14:29 ecutruin But I will say, Mojang's issues against modders in the past and this new thing against servers.. has bothered me quite a bit.
14:30 LemonLake Who thinks it'll be possible to make something like an Ableton Launch-pad out of a MaKey-MaKey?
14:30 ecutruin One of the reasons I'm looking at alternatives, a minor reason, but one non the less.
14:30 Jordach Tesseract, ShadowBot isn't here
14:31 w_laenger my testworld: https://cdn.mediacru.sh/eATmlH_iYOCj
14:32 * Jordach tries to understand what's going on
14:32 Eater4 Um
14:32 Megaf https://github.com/Megaf/green_​screen/tree/master/screenshots
14:32 Eater4 He is being worked on I hear
14:33 Eater4 We have no services at inchra though :(
14:35 CraigyDavi Megaf, would it be possible to use your more_chests mod in replacement for chests_0gb_us mod? If I create aliases will all the stuff from the old chests still be there?
14:36 ecutruin Jordach, whats going on where? :P
14:36 Jordach [15:31:50] <w_laenger> my testworld: https://cdn.mediacru.sh/eATmlH_iYOCj
14:36 Jordach ^ that
14:36 Jordach i'm going to play some TF2
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14:40 nman3600 hi
14:40 w_laenger hi
14:41 w_laenger shall I make a biome out of this? https://cdn.mediacru.sh/7A6TAZZs5Wc2.png https://cdn.mediacru.sh/nsygCekwIk0z.png
14:42 nman3600 Yes maybe call it deadwood
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14:42 ecutruin That could make a neat desert area.
14:42 Enke w_laenger: I like it!
14:42 nman3600 w_laenger have you seen my multitest mod?
14:42 ecutruin The function anyways.. it'd definitely need different textures. ^-^
14:42 w_laenger Enke, thanks; nman3600 no
14:43 nman3600 w_laenger check it out: https://forum.minetest.net/v​iewtopic.php?f=11&amp;t=9334   i could do with some suggestions
14:44 w_laenger I like the carpet
14:44 nman3600 w_laenger thanks!
14:44 Enke w_laenger: you would have some rare stuff spawn there, like mese ore or something
14:45 w_laenger ok, I thought I could use it as basalt biome
14:47 Enke Yeah, that sounds neat as well. I've a basalt texture. Do you want to see it?
14:48 w_laenger yes
14:48 Enke https://github.com/NANOsoldierEnke/Ores/​blob/master/textures/ores_basaltore.png
14:48 Enke It's not very good though. But it's a start
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14:50 w_laenger I already made my own brown basalt block but I don't know if I drew it right
14:51 w_laenger nman3600 please add sounds to your mod
14:51 nman3600 w_laenger it's in the new update or planned for the next one i think
14:51 nman3600 i need to get some shears snipping sounds
14:51 w_laenger look at opengameart
14:52 nman3600 Okay
14:53 w_laenger http://opengameart.org/art-search-adva​nced?keys=knife&amp;field_art_type_tid[]=13&field_art_tags_tid_op=and&field_ar​t_tags_tid=&name=&sort_by=created&sort_o​rder=DESC&items_per_page=24&Collection=
14:54 w_laenger or at http://freesound.org/
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14:58 Calinou <w_laenger> look at opengameart
14:58 * Calinou plans to upload textures there soon
14:58 Calinou 2048 × 2048 :p
14:58 w_laenger nice
14:59 Calinou is it useful to upload the 16 × 16 textures I made for Carbone there?
14:59 * nman3600 can't find a good shears sound on opengameart
15:00 Calinou nman3600, the snow stepping sounds can help
15:00 Calinou they're in the default Minetest game
15:00 nman3600 for shears
15:00 Calinou I would suggest playing a snow stepping sound, loudly
15:00 Calinou it sounds similar
15:01 nman3600 how's this for shears? http://freesound.org/people/lmbubec/sounds/118792/
15:02 w_laenger yes but not for cutting leaves
15:02 nman3600 shears are also for wool
15:03 w_laenger ok
15:03 w_laenger you could use minetest.sound_play at after_dig_node
15:03 nman3600 all i'm finding is a slice that is 3 chops of shears i only want 1 chop
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15:05 nman3600 Maybe this? http://freesound.org/people/S​oundCollectah/sounds/158469/
15:05 w_laenger what about using this file? http://freesound.org/people/gpenn76/sounds/235673/
15:05 nman3600 if you could shorten it down to one snip it'll be perfect
15:05 w_laenger nman3600, I can
15:06 nman3600 w_laenger please! i'll give you credits
15:06 w_laenger I can also crop more sounds out of it
15:06 w_laenger ok
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15:06 w_laenger this one? http://freesound.org/people/S​oundCollectah/sounds/158469/
15:07 nman3600 It has like an echo that's annoying
15:07 w_laenger so this one  http://freesound.org/people/gpenn76/sounds/235673/
15:07 nman3600 That's cropped to only a single snip
15:09 nman3600 w_laenger query me with a download link when done
15:09 w_laenger ok
15:09 w_laenger the sound file is very short so you may not be able to hear it with totem
15:10 w_laenger shall I use mono or keep it stereo?
15:11 w_laenger nman3600, shall I use mono or keep it stereo?
15:11 nman3600 w_laenger i'll leave that up to you
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15:12 w_laenger ok, minetest.sound_play works positionally if it's mono
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15:13 w_laenger but for this sound I use stereo else something would be missing
15:13 LemonLake w_laenger, it's mono and mono only
15:13 w_laenger it's stereo, I downloaded it
15:14 Calinou https://cdn.mediacru.sh/AcmguDaYE_c4.jpg and https://cdn.mediacru.sh/07LHaTecqZEY.jpg
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15:15 w_laenger I need to check the sound quality
15:16 w_laenger should be good enough
15:16 Calinou game sounds should usually be mono
15:16 Calinou non-positional sounds can be stereo
15:16 Calinou but positional ones must be mono
15:17 w_laenger Calinou, I know nman3600 https://raw.githubusercontent.com/HybridDog/mis​cellaneous/master/nichtdefinierbar/scissor.ogg
15:17 w_laenger shall every player or only you be able to hear the sound?
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15:19 nman3600 w_laenger only you
15:20 w_laenger ok, then stereo is more useful in this case
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15:21 LemonLake w_laenger, there is no real need for stereo anyway
15:21 w_laenger there is
15:21 LemonLake all it really does it make the project more bigger. if the sound file has a really noticable difference in stereo, then it's needed
15:21 * realtinymonster saw an ad for a waterproof Sony device... makes no sense, seeing that Sony and waterproof don't go together...
15:21 w_laenger there is a difference
15:21 w_laenger the end part would be quiet with mono
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15:22 realtinymonster w_laenger: then monoize the music file
15:22 w_laenger music?
15:22 realtinymonster sou nd
15:22 realtinymonster what ever it is
15:23 Evolykane No Stero? WTF
15:23 w_laenger ...why?
15:23 Evolykane *Stereo
15:23 realtinymonster because that way the sound will not be quiet...
15:23 w_laenger realtinymonster, it shouldn't be quiet
15:24 realtinymonster yeah
15:24 realtinymonster if you monoize it, it will merge the stereo two sides into mono one side with all the sound
15:24 w_laenger realtinymonster, so I'll keep it stereo
15:25 w_laenger I need a link
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15:26 realtinymonster w_laenger: audacity.sourceforge.net
15:26 LemonLake w_laenger amp the last part then
15:26 LemonLake +1 realtinymonster for audacity
15:26 realtinymonster yeah
15:26 LemonLake but don't try audacity on linux, it does not work at all
15:26 w_laenger I use audacity
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15:26 * Piggybear87 Jams to some R&B and builds a tower. His life "rules"...
15:26 LemonLake w_laenger: amplify the part that goes quiet
15:26 realtinymonster Piggybear87: that sounds amazing
15:27 w_laenger LemonLake, that was a joke, wasn't it?
15:27 Piggybear87 Lmfao.
15:27 LemonLake w_laenger: nein, i do not joke when pissed off
15:27 w_laenger for me it works great on linux
15:27 Megaf CraigyDavi; Yep, they are compatible, just need to create the aliases
15:27 LemonLake for me it crashes about 10 minutes from startup when using some certain slidesr
15:27 LemonLake also, does anyone know a linux msrdp client?
15:28 CraigyDavi Megaf, Thats great! I'll install on my server now
15:28 realtinymonster LemonLake: I know an ARM one :P
15:28 realtinymonster are you arm?
15:28 LemonLake realtinymonster: i believe so
15:29 Megaf CraigyDavi; cool, I have them on my server too
15:29 realtinymonster also, LemonLake, alternative that works better I think: distrowatch.com/search.php?category=Thin+Client
15:30 w_laenger nman3600, currently I'm cropping single sound files
15:30 nman3600 w_laenger take as long as you need
15:30 w_laenger ok
15:30 Evolykane what's the mod with the health bar over the player?
15:30 LemonLake realtinymonster: my school runs a 2012 windows server, and I need to access it
15:31 realtinymonster Thin Client should do the trick
15:31 LemonLake what application for linux would be best to do that with, i know windows has a client built in
15:31 LemonLake aight thanks
15:31 realtinymonster it has RDP stuff built in
15:31 LemonLake 2xthinclientos?
15:31 realtinymonster aye
15:31 LemonLake i have to buy it tho
15:32 realtinymonster LemonLake: or try thinstation?
15:32 realtinymonster IDK
15:33 LemonLake its a boot thing
15:33 realtinymonster yeah
15:33 realtinymonster ;/
15:33 realtinymonster go get a disk :P
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15:33 LemonLake nonono
15:33 LemonLake you don't understand
15:33 LemonLake i need a client FOR linux...
15:34 LemonLake just like the built-in windows one
15:34 Jordach LemonLake, the one that's in Ubuntu supports RDP
15:34 LemonLake where it runs in it's own window
15:34 Megaf CraigyDavi; I'm creating the aliases right now
15:34 LemonLake Jordach: and that would be?
15:34 Jordach http://www.rdesktop.org/
15:34 realtinymonster brb
15:34 Jordach ^ try that
15:34 LemonLake thanks Jordach
15:34 nman3600 Evolykane it's in carbone
15:34 Jordach http://www.techradar.com/news/soft​ware/applications/7-of-the-best-li​nux-remote-desktop-clients-716346
15:35 Megaf well, I ran out of time, gtg, cya
15:36 LemonLake this linux is filled with libraries >.<
15:38 Calinou <w_laenger> ok, then stereo is more useful in this case
15:38 Calinou the sound should play to all players _nearby_
15:38 Calinou like a bow sound or a punching sound would be (sadly, digging sounds don't play to all players currently)
15:39 Calinou so… mono
15:39 Calinou mono is also a smaller file size
15:39 LemonLake Jordach: can I direct an rdp to it?
15:39 w_laenger stereo can be converted to mono but not mono to stereo
15:40 LemonLake w_laenger: mono can be converted to stereo but it will sound exactly the same, it's just duplicating the sound channel and halving the volume of both
15:41 w_laenger LemonLake, I know, so at first I'll use stereo
15:41 LemonLake w_laenger: what's wrong with mono? just amplify the end, you're wasting file space
15:42 Calinou file space is important in Minetest: most servers don't use remote media
15:42 LemonLake ^
15:42 Calinou to speed up join times, have small files, compress 'em
15:42 w_laenger pfft
15:42 Calinou OptiPNG is your friend for textures
15:42 w_laenger this small sound...
15:43 sfan5 LemonLake: halving the volume of both would make it quieter
15:44 LemonLake sfan5: actually, taking into consideration how modern headphones now work, yes correct.
15:44 LemonLake w_laenger: what is the size of the stereo file, and what is the size of the mono file?
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15:45 w_laenger LemonLake, let me compare
15:45 LemonLake now i cant sleep without drawing a comic of build environments going insane...
15:45 LemonLake just because of "checking whether build environment is sane... yes
15:45 LemonLake "
15:45 w_laenger 6.1 and 4.9 KB
15:46 LemonLake believe it or not, that's actually a big difference
15:46 w_laenger additionally to the 52 KB of the other scissor sounds
15:46 LemonLake scissor sounds???
15:46 LemonLake mono, definitely.
15:46 LemonLake if that's all it is
15:46 w_laenger nman3600, https://github.com/HybridDog/miscellaneous/tre​e/master/nichtdefinierbar/aggressive_scissors
15:47 LemonLake for something that small, you're not gonna want to waste a kb on making it stereo
15:47 LemonLake half the people aren't even gonna notice the sound
15:48 w_laenger the ambience mod uses more than 10000 KB
15:48 w_laenger so...
15:48 LemonLake yes, but nobody uses the ambience mod
15:48 LemonLake or so i heard on irc
15:48 LemonLake correct me if i'm wrong
15:48 w_laenger I do
15:48 LemonLake w_laenger: a scissor sound is literally less than a second
15:49 LemonLake you're wasting an extra kb making it stereo, and considering you have multiple that's just overkill
15:49 w_laenger and the default sounds weight 310 KB
15:49 LemonLake yes but users already have default sounds and do not need to download them from the server
15:49 w_laenger yes...
15:49 LemonLake not everyone has mbps internet, because a lot of people live in family houses
15:50 LemonLake they don't wanna be sitting there waiting for scissor sounds to download
15:50 w_laenger how can they play at VaE's server?
15:50 Calinou <LemonLake> yes, but nobody uses the ambience mod
15:50 Calinou some servers do; the sounds are ultra-annoying
15:50 LemonLake so maybe stick to two or three, and keep them low
15:50 LemonLake +Calinou
15:50 Calinou immersive ambience is annoying, the end
15:50 Calinou if you have such a mod, provide a way for clients to disable the sounds
15:51 LemonLake 10mb for ambience sounds?
15:51 Calinou LemonLake, I'm sitting there waiting for 36 MB of textures to upload :(
15:51 LemonLake whoa, what is this, a STEAM game?
15:51 w_laenger as kaeza wrote, you can use your own scissors sound file that this one doesn't need to become downloaded
15:51 LemonLake i seriously think you should just stick to two or three scissor sounds, try to keep them at less than 5kb
15:51 LemonLake and mono
15:51 Piggybear87 What's the smallest size a server's HDD should be?
15:51 LemonLake nobody is really gonna notice the difference of one tiny bit, and if it goes quiet just amplify it. simple as
15:52 LemonLake Piggybear87: depends on the os. the average os uses about 10-16gb of space just for itself
15:52 Calinou LemonLake, a Steam game would be 10 GB of hats
15:52 w_laenger I notice the difference and wouldn't use this scissors
15:52 LemonLake Calinou: but hats are important, scissor sounds are not
15:52 LemonLake w_laenger: for the last time just amplify it
15:52 Calinou LemonLake, most GNU/Linux distributions require about 10 GB to work well, only, compared to Windows' 15-25
15:52 Piggybear87 For Lubuntu. If I can't use a 20Gb then I have to take the slave out of this one.
15:52 LemonLake Calinou: Hence 'average'
15:52 w_laenger LemonLake, and for the first time? both work together
15:52 Calinou Piggybear87, a Minetest installation with binaries and source is 50 MB to 100 MB; a world will easily go above 1 GB for a server one
15:53 Calinou (tip: use a mod to limit world depth or size, if you want a smaller world size)
15:53 * Jordach has the winning amout of space
15:53 LemonLake okay, after trying 8 different rdp clients i cannot get a single one to work
15:53 realtinymonster Calinou: I had linux install on about 300mb
15:53 Jordach 20mb for Jukebox
15:53 Jordach except - every song is 56kbps
15:53 Jordach and mono
15:53 LemonLake so i guess i have to switch to windows to do this one little thing
15:53 LemonLake kbps? you stream them?
15:53 Piggybear87 So, 10-15Gb for the OS, and that would leave 5-10 for a server. Is that enough?
15:53 Calinou realtinymonster, I'm talking about full distributions here, like Fedora
15:54 realtinymonster LemonLake: why not switch to doors?
15:54 realtinymonster lol
15:54 Calinou Piggybear87, yeah
15:54 realtinymonster realtinymonster: me too
15:54 Calinou and 1 GB of swap
15:54 LemonLake Piggybear87: i suppose the minimum would be 32gb, however i've heard of people using raspberry pi's which mostly come with an 8gb sd
15:54 w_laenger LemonLake, of course you are allowed to make a pull request there to change the sound https://github.com/HybridDog/miscellaneous​/blob/master/nichtdefinierbar/scissor.ogg
15:54 Calinou LemonLake, why 32 GB? if the OS is 10 GB (at worst) and the world 5 GB (at worst)?
15:55 LemonLake Calinou: i did mention raspberry pis which can bring the minimum down to 8gb
15:55 Piggybear87 Sweet, I don't have to rip the slave out of this machine. :)
15:55 realtinymonster I had a 4GB hdd and I managed to fit full ubuntu with minetest and still have about 1gb left
15:55 w_laenger I'll remove Getting started
15:57 nman3600 ugh why is it always me that can't get downloaded maps to work
15:58 LemonLake nman3600: tried doing it properly?
15:58 nman3600 wait nevermind
15:58 LemonLake yeah you better
15:59 nman3600 is there  a way to move the map into minetest_next
15:59 LemonLake you make me mind and i will end you
15:59 LemonLake nman3600: that could cause conflicts
16:00 w_laenger LemonLake, you can compare the stereo and mono file by yourself: https://raw.githubusercontent.com/HybridDog/mis​cellaneous/master/nichtdefinierbar/scissor.ogg https://raw.githubusercontent.com/HybridDog/misce​llaneous/master/nichtdefinierbar/scissor_mono.ogg
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16:01 MechMechanic hello
16:02 realtinymonster hi
16:02 nman3600 Hello MechMechanic
16:03 MechMechanic I have not checked out this project in a longgg time. how is it going?
16:03 Calinou MechMechanic, fine
16:03 Calinou when did you last check it?
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16:05 Eater4 !up minetest.crabdance.com
16:05 MinetestBot minetest.crabdance.com:30000 is up (626ms)
16:05 LemonLake crabdance nts nts nts nts
16:05 MechMechanic its been at least a year it seems
16:06 Eater4 lol
16:06 Calinou MechMechanic, well: see the changelog: http://dev.minetest.net/Changelog
16:06 Exio4 i'd like to know why only 1 gb of swap
16:06 Calinou Exio4, no need for more in 2014
16:06 MechMechanic thank you, Calinou
16:06 Exio4 i have 16gb of swap, the few times i ACTUALLY used swap, it saved me
16:06 Calinou you probably don't want to get slowed down to a crawl too much
16:07 Calinou better crash than spend 30 minutes in slowness hell
16:07 Exio4 "crash"
16:07 Calinou MechMechanic, many new subgames have been developed since you were away, like Carbone: https://forum.minetest.net/v​iewtopic.php?f=15&amp;t=9033
16:07 Exio4 i started "too many VMs"
16:07 Calinou (minetest_game is frozen now: no changes are made to it, except bug fixes)
16:07 Exio4 not too many, but i had 3 VMs and then started firefox browsing
16:07 Exio4 ended using more than 12gb
16:07 Exio4 what would have crashed there?
16:08 Exio4 the system isn't dumb, if you think it is, tell me why
16:08 Exio4 because it uses the swap for apps that aren't used?
16:08 Exio4 and lets you actually have WAY more cache than you'd think you could have?
16:09 Exio4 i'm using 0MB of swap, normally, sometimes it is a few GBs, and you know, i don't notice slowness; because it sent to swap shit i don't use and has been running for a few days in background
16:10 Exio4 and those few GBs in ram that are now "free", are used for cache
16:10 Exio4 and the actual workload is faster :)
16:12 * Jordach doesn't do swapfiles on Linux
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16:15 Megaf_ CraigyDavi: mese_chests should be 100% compatible with 9gb_us's chests now.
16:16 Megaf_ Can anyone please test? https://github.com/Megaf/more_​chests/blob/master/aliases.lua
16:16 CraigyDavi Thanks, that's great :)
16:17 sfan5 I don't have swap because linux even fills it up when there is plenty RAM available.
16:17 Megaf_ sfan5: That's the idea
16:18 Megaf_ the swap on Linux is much different than the pagefile on windows
16:18 Calinou Carbone: Added hay blocks, crafted with 9 wheat.
16:18 Megaf_ the Linux Kernel will alway try to put old caches on SWAP
16:18 Megaf_ and it will always cache and buffer as much as it can
16:18 sfan5 I'm sure you can disable that
16:18 sfan5 but whatever
16:18 sfan5 I have 8GB
16:18 sfan5 that is enough
16:19 Megaf_ So the more swap you have, the more cache and buffer the kernel will be able to do
16:19 PilzAdam sfan5, you can change the swappiness
16:19 LemonLake gb
16:20 Megaf_ and by the way, you can change how often the Kernel will use the swap
16:20 Megaf_ as PilzAdam just said
16:20 PilzAdam sfan5, http://wiki.ubuntuusers.de/​Swap#Swapnutzung-einstellen
16:20 Megaf_ you can have a swap, and configure it to never use it, unless you run out of memory
16:20 LemonLake swappiness
16:20 LemonLake i love it
16:21 Megaf_ I have a computer at home with 16 GB of swap
16:21 Megaf_ this allows my system to alway have plenty of memory available
16:21 realtinymonster Megaf_: I usually only do 1 GB
16:22 realtinymonster or maybe 2 gb if i'm feeling like being giving
16:22 * realtinymonster has a quite small HDD
16:22 Calinou a computer doesn't have feelings, it doesn't care if you feed it more swap
16:23 realtinymonster Calinou: lol, I know this, all programmers do ("Work computer!")
16:23 Megaf_ just never use flash memory for swap
16:25 realtinymonster damn, my mouse is dieing
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16:28 realtinymonster There's a message in the grass! https://mediacru.sh/v3wLnr1-txhw
16:28 sfan5 <Megaf_> just never use flash memory for swap
16:28 sfan5 this is the worst thing you can do
16:33 Exio4 Jordach: 16gb swap partition here
16:33 Exio4 [13:17:26] <sfan5> I don't have swap because linux even fills it up when there is plenty RAM available.
16:33 Exio4 tweak swapiness, i prefer having old shit to go there
16:33 sfan5 Exio4: don't bother saying anything, I've already been enlighted
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16:34 Exio4 -/+ buffers/cache:       3637       8351
16:34 Exio4 Swap:        16383          0      16383
16:34 Megaf_ well done Exio4
16:34 Exio4 12gb of ram, 16gb of swa
16:34 Megaf_ [13:21:04] <Megaf_> I have a computer at home with 16 GB of swap
16:34 Exio4 +p
16:35 Exio4 if i install more ram, i'll be adding more swap, at least enough for hibernating if i even need it
16:35 Exio4 after i get the pair of 2tb hdds, i'll be setting up a mirror RAID :D
16:35 Megaf_ once I read that a good amount of swap is the double of RAM you have
16:35 Exio4 nah, not _that_ much with today's ram amounts
16:35 Megaf_ I believe it`s because this way you can use a swap as swap and still be able to hibernate with no problems
16:36 Exio4 the swapiness is based on ram usage btw
16:36 Exio4 not swap's size, afaik
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16:38 Exio4 unless you give your system 500 GB of swap (also known as you're fucking crazy) you won't have problems
16:39 Amaz So, buying a 1tb disk to use entirely for swap isn't a good idea?
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16:39 Megaf_ Amaz: it could be if you need lots of virtual machines or do a make -j 1000
16:39 Calinou Amaz, of course not
16:40 Calinou disks are insanely slow; SSDs are very slow; RAM is slow, in comparison to CPU cache.
16:40 Exio4 you'd be crazy if you do that, your cpu would die :P
16:40 Amaz I thought so!
16:40 Megaf_ the rule is, have as much of RAM you can
16:40 Exio4 what about registers
16:40 Exio4 they're faster than CPU cache
16:40 Exio4 the*
16:40 Calinou Megaf_, as needed*
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16:42 cx384 hi
16:42 Megaf_ Hi cx384
16:43 Piggybear87 Where the eff is "desktop sharing preferences"?
16:43 Megaf_ Piggybear87: you want to share you screen?
16:44 Piggybear87 Yes, permanently with my other machine.
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16:44 Megaf_ Piggybear87: what OS are you using?
16:44 Piggybear87 Lubuntu 14.04
16:45 Megaf_ oh
16:45 Megaf_ so I have no idea
16:45 Megaf_ !g google
16:45 MinetestBot Megaf_: http://www.google.com/
16:45 Piggybear87 Ah. Anyone else?
16:45 Piggybear87 I have googled.
16:45 Megaf_ !g share desktop vnc ubuntu
16:45 MinetestBot Megaf_: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VNC
16:45 Megaf_ !g remote desktop vnc ubuntu
16:45 MinetestBot Megaf_: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VNC
16:45 Megaf_ Piggybear87: there you go
16:46 Piggybear87 I didn't want to use VNC because I would have to accept on the other machine, and with no mouse keyboard and monitor that would be hard.
16:46 Megaf_ no, you don't have to accept anything
16:47 Megaf_ you are not on windows...
16:47 Megaf_ you just need to set a password
16:47 Megaf_ the VNC server will alway be running
16:47 Piggybear87 So I would need to install VNC on both machines, right?
16:47 Jordach you only need a VNC client
16:47 LemonLake oo fontwork
16:48 Piggybear87 What about the other machine?
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16:48 john_minetest Hello everypony
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16:49 Megaf_ Piggybear87: why don't you read that link?
16:49 Megaf_ Hello pony_john
16:49 Calinou hi john_minetest
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16:50 Piggybear87 I don't get it...
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16:58 Piggybear87 That's over the internet, not locally. Any other links?
16:58 m5 Hello everybody
16:59 Piggybear87 And also, what about a power failure? I will have to swap monitor, kb and mouse again...
16:59 Exio4 you make a daemon that autostarts the vnc server
16:59 * Megaf gives up
16:59 Exio4 some headless machine that is running in my lan has a vnc server on autostart
16:59 Exio4 it doesn't start X11
16:59 Exio4 (it is a "server for people that uses windows" basically, they wanted a gui for doing the stuff, so i let them have a gui :D)
17:00 Piggybear87 I don't know how to do that. I just started using Linux not even a month ago.
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17:02 Piggybear87 Can anyone give me a how-to from a newbies prospective?
17:02 Calinou perspective* :
17:02 m5 i can
17:02 Piggybear87 OK, how do I do it?
17:05 * Piggybear87 waits.
17:05 Calinou try a more general channel – your distribution's channel, such as #ubuntu
17:05 Calinou or ##linux
17:05 Calinou this is #minetest after all :)
17:06 Piggybear87 I know, but they're dicks over there. They expect everyone to just know how to do stuff.
17:07 Calinou not necessarily
17:07 Calinou I'd still try asking
17:08 EvergreenTree Piggybear87: I know
17:09 Piggybear87 Would SSH be easier?
17:09 EvergreenTree I actually prefer asking stuff here first.  :P
17:09 EvergreenTree ?
17:09 EvergreenTree what do you mean would SSH be easier?
17:09 Piggybear87 I just need to launch stuff from that machine, I don't need to see it.
17:09 Calinou SSH is mostly command line; but you can use the -X switch, which works fine locally (but very heavy for usage over the Internet)
17:10 Calinou the graphical applications will appear on your desktop
17:10 EvergreenTree Oh, sorry, I didn't see the context
17:10 Calinou try using ssh -X, then type “geany file.txt” with Geany installed, you'll see Geany appearing on your desktop ;)
17:10 Calinou but it'll edit the file.txt file on the server
17:10 Piggybear87 So, it would be like VNC?
17:11 LemonLake pretty much
17:12 LemonLake but again, it's mostly command-line
17:12 LemonLake so if you prefer commandline, ssh is the way to go
17:12 Piggybear87 What would be the EXACT command to launch minetestserver like that? Also the command to move mods,worlds, etc over there.
17:13 m5 Calinou, ssh -X ??
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17:14 Calinou yes
17:14 Calinou Piggybear87, to move files from your PC to the other one, install openssh-server on your PC, then use the “scp” command
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17:15 Calinou I think it'd be something like scp user@127.0.0.1:file.txt user@192.168.1.55:file.txt but I'm not sure
17:15 Calinou (replace 192.168.1.55 with the other PC's internal IP)
17:15 Calinou it's been years since I last used scp
17:15 Piggybear87 I wish I had another monitor, keyboard and mouse, it would be a lot easier... Or a KVM.
17:16 Megaf !title https://forum.minetest.net/viewt​opic.php?f=9&amp;t=9493#p144638
17:16 MinetestBot Megaf: [Mod] Fire - Yet Another Non spreadable fire. - Minetest Forums
17:18 m5 OldCoder, It was very effective to change the name back to MarkTwain from 0 players with no serverlist to about 3 with it and now 10 using the old name
17:19 Piggybear87 I could use something like "Sharemouse", but it doesn't share video, only mouse and keyboard.
17:19 m5 Piggybear87, Synergy I think
17:20 Piggybear87 Smae thing, no video support.
17:22 OldCoder m5, kk
17:22 OldCoder m5, I made a custom Windows client
17:23 OldCoder Should start most worlds instantly; or less than a minute
17:23 m5 Cool
17:23 m5 Setting up Anope atm
17:23 OldCoder Piggybear87, m5 If either of you knows DS_ reassure him that we hope to fix things
17:23 OldCoder He seems to be a concerned Landrush player
17:25 Piggybear87 I don't think I know him, but if I see him, I will tell him.
17:31 Megaf !title https://forum.minetest.net/viewt​opic.php?f=9&amp;t=9494#p144640
17:31 MinetestBot Megaf: [Mod] green_screen - Minetest Forums
17:32 Piggybear87 The only software KVM's I can fine are actually KM's. This blows...
17:32 Piggybear87 And I don't have the money for an actual KVM switch...
17:34 Calinou Megaf, seen it, moved
17:34 Calinou you're doing your lists wrong
17:34 Megaf Calinou: not wrong, that's not bbcode
17:34 Calinou fixed them
17:34 Megaf ok
17:34 Calinou well, I'll fix the titles too
17:35 Megaf Calinou: Thanks
17:35 Calinou they aren't valid bbcode either
17:35 Calinou no problem
17:35 Calinou [size=150] makes for good headers, optionally bold
17:35 Piggybear87 Or are Windows only or cost money...
17:35 Megaf Calinou: I will post one more mod today, will create the topic as you fixed those I just posted
17:35 rubenwardy Hi all!
17:35 Megaf Hi rubenwardy
17:36 Megaf I'm turning more_chests in a modpack, so you can enable and disable any chest you want.
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17:38 Calinou done for both
17:39 Megaf Thank you! :)
17:39 Calinou no problem
17:40 Megaf you moving the fire mod to releases too?
17:40 Calinou fixed topic titles
17:40 Calinou will do
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17:40 Calinou done ;)
17:40 Megaf Thanks again, they look much better indeed
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17:43 nman3600 m5: Are you active?
17:43 m5 yes
17:44 nman3600 m5 and old friend wants to say hello on your server
17:44 realtinymonster :O
17:44 * realtinymonster discovered a really odd glitch in MC
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17:45 nman3600 an old friend*
17:46 nman3600 m5: well?
17:46 realtinymonster dadadadaddadadadaadadaadadadadadadddaaadadadddadd​daaadadaaadddadaddadaddadaaadadddadadaaadaddaddad < m5
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17:51 Jordach realtinymonster, i can one up that
17:51 Jordach you should ask chainlynx
17:51 Megaf Hai Vazon, RBA fixed more_chests :)
17:51 Megaf I'm turning it on a modpack right now
17:52 Vazon fixed it??? what was wrong ( broken code)?
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17:53 Megaf Vazon: lots of things
17:53 Megaf this is one of them https://github.com/Megaf/more_chests/commi​t/e48cd776d25f0c3ad7f8a066785c139f96c6476e
17:54 Calinou renewed many textures in Carbone, like book stuff and gold stuff
17:55 Megaf And this was another thing https://github.com/Megaf/more_chests/commi​t/314fd4e90ee161e30641422e2c8e85b2d96679c5
17:55 Vazon Hey,  was on the right track, but that is code is beyong me :3
17:55 Megaf Vazon: and I updated all chests textures, but the wifi one
17:55 Vazon great, i used different textures on my server up i saw them and they look great
17:55 Megaf Vazon: do a git pull
17:55 Jordach Calinou, this isn't a library ;)
17:56 Megaf Calinou: I'm turning this https://github.com/Megaf/more_chests into a modpack, should I create another branch for that, or another repo, or just change everything in place?
17:57 Calinou change everything in place
17:57 Calinou it'll work as-is for people who update
17:57 Calinou have a modpack.txt inside the root directory
17:58 Calinou (can contain anything, ideally something informative)
17:58 Megaf Ok, I'm creating a branch just to review everything
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18:04 Megaf oh dear, I did git commit -a and it opened a text editor thing, how to I save and quit?
18:06 asl press :q!
18:08 Megaf thanks asl
18:08 Calinou depends on editor
18:08 Megaf I did Esq then :wq or qw
18:08 Megaf [15:06:33] <osse> Megaf: <Esc>:wq<Enter
18:08 Megaf It changed on git 2.0
18:08 Megaf used to be nano, and I was happy with it
18:09 Megaf but theu changed on git 2.x
18:09 Megaf they*
18:09 Calinou I use -am
18:09 Megaf well, the modpack https://github.com/Megaf/more_chests/tree/modpack
18:10 Megaf There's still some cleaning to do, I'm doing it right now
18:10 asl megaf: you can change it back to nano doing  git config --global core.editor "nano"
18:11 Megaf cool asl, thanks again
18:12 Megaf I need help with aliases
18:12 Megaf I'm not sure on what should I do,
18:12 Megaf I have a single aliases.lua file per mod in modpack
18:13 Megaf when it wasnt a modpack I used a global file
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18:16 Megaf ok, theres no need for an alias file
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18:27 m5 OldCoder, My creative mod lags the server pretty badly
18:28 OldCoder m5, should not be possible
18:28 OldCoder for you to lag *my* hardware unless mod is pretty bad
18:28 OldCoder able to fix it?
18:28 m5 It iterates through all items on every page turn
18:28 OldCoder Um
18:28 OldCoder Need to remove it or fix that
18:29 m5 I think it's the only way to do what it does, i'd be happy to replace ut
18:29 m5 Don't need to remove anything yet
18:29 OldCoder I need to run an errand. PM me with your decision. But I can't let a world slow down other things.
18:29 m5 I should have a creativechanger like thing with inventory plus
18:29 OldCoder m5, PM me about decisions. Back in an hour.
18:30 Megaf heh, I just totally messed up with more_chests.
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18:39 Evolykane what's the mod with the health bar over the player?
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18:42 Megaf can anyone test this and tell me whats wrong please? git clone https://github.com/Megaf/more_chests.git -b modpack
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18:45 Megaf Hi Zeg9
18:45 Zeg9 Hi
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18:49 nman3600 hello
18:51 Megaf Hi nman3600
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18:58 * Piggybear87 is pissed...
18:58 nman3600 why?
18:59 Piggybear87 I built my other tower and it won't fire up. No video at all...
19:00 Piggybear87 It was working not even 2 weeks ago. I was using until I found this one.
19:02 Piggybear87 Nothing goes right for me... I just wanted a small server.
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19:04 Megaf Piggybear87: did you assembly that tower youself?
19:04 Piggybear87 Yes. I've done it a thousand times.
19:04 nman3600 Piggybear87: All you have to do is BELIEVE (this is probably useless help)
19:04 Piggybear87 Lol.
19:05 Megaf so, unplug and plug the following. ATX cable, SATA/IDE cables, mem,
19:05 Megaf and whatever PCI/PCI-X card you have
19:05 Megaf if that dont help, swap memory from slots
19:07 Amaz proller: Did you see this? https://github.com/minetest/minete​st/pull/1209#issuecomment-45727875
19:13 nman3600 How do you register a custom sound into a tool?
19:16 Megaf Jordach: can you help please? Minetest will complain the wifi chest does not follow name convention, https://github.com/Megaf/more_chests/tree/modpack
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19:17 Megaf Jordach: nevermind, I think I see whats wrong
19:18 Megaf I have to change modname for all chests in init.lua
19:19 Megaf I will do that when I'm home, too difficult to work on OS X or Windows. Very unproductive and no practical OSes, I need Linux =/
19:22 nman3600 Can someone help me?
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19:24 nman3600 How do you register a custom sound into a tool?
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19:24 Piggybear87 I can't host a server, I can't play, I can't even watch effing Youtube! This machine is USELESS!
19:25 nman3600 Can someone help me?
19:25 Piggybear87 With?
19:25 nman3600 How do you register a custom sound into a tool?
19:25 Piggybear87 That's handled by each node I believe.
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19:27 nman3600 so... how do i do it?
19:27 Megaf nman3600: take a look at tools.lua in default in mods in minetest_game
19:27 Megaf nman3600: but actually, the soung a pick will make when hit a node is defined by the node itself
19:27 Piggybear87 OR actually, you can look at Technic, it has tools with sounds, like the chainsaw and laser and drills.
19:28 nman3600 well i want shears in my mod to have a sound when used how do i do that?
19:28 Piggybear87 Look at Technic.
19:30 nman3600 I could just do with and example because in technic it's not helping
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19:31 Piggybear87 Looking, one sec.
19:32 * nman3600 has to wait 30 mins for a show ugh
19:32 Piggybear87 Maybe this part is useful. Take a look at chainsaw.lua
19:32 Piggybear87 -- clear result and start sawing things down
19:32 Piggybear87 produced = {}
19:32 Piggybear87 remaining_charge = recursive_dig(pos, remaining_charge, player)
19:32 Piggybear87 minetest.sound_play("chainsaw", {pos = pos, gain = 1.0, max_hear_distance = 10,})
19:33 PenguinDad nman3600: https://github.com/minetest/minetes​t/blob/master/doc/lua_api.txt#L2244
19:34 nman3600 I'm 10 years old how am i supposed to understand this
19:35 Piggybear87 minetest.sound_play("chainsaw", {pos = pos, gain = 1.0, max_hear_distance = 10,})
19:35 Piggybear87 Add that to the end of your tool register and see what happens. You have to have the sound somewhere though.
19:36 nman3600 i have the sound in the mod folder though
19:37 nman3600 and i assume i need to change "chainsaw" to "shears"
19:37 Megaf nman3600: change to the ogg filename
19:37 Piggybear87 ^
19:38 nman3600 Megaf the ogg file name is shears.ogg
19:38 Megaf then change it to shears
19:38 nman3600 i did and it doesn't work
19:38 Megaf minetest.sound_play("shears.ogg", {pos = pos, gain = 1.0, max_hear_distance = 2,})
19:38 Megaf do you have a folder named sounds?
19:39 Exio4 do you really need to specify .ogg?
19:39 Megaf Exio4: I don't know, he didnt and didnt work
19:39 nman3600 Megaf i have a folder named sounds yes
19:39 nman3600 oh i see the prob
19:39 Megaf do you?
19:40 nman3600 yess i did "shears" not "shears.ogg" but it still isn't working
19:40 nman3600 oh wait
19:40 nman3600 nevermind
19:41 nman3600 What Megaf i did exactly what you told me to do and it still is not working
19:41 PenguinDad nman3600: your shears are a tool aren't they?
19:42 nman3600 PenguinDad, yes
19:42 nman3600 no i hate these errors i can never actually find where it goes
19:43 nman3600 Error = \init.lua:23: '}' expected (to close '{' at line 21) near 'minetest'
19:43 Amaz Usually, it means you missed a comma on the previous line.
19:43 nman3600 Line 23 = minetest.sound_play("shears.ogg", {pos = pos, gain = 1.0, max_hear_distance = 2,})
19:44 Amaz line 22?
19:44 nman3600 Line 22 = crumbly={times={[1]=5.00, [2]=3.50, [3]=3.00}, uses=80, maxlevel=1}
19:45 nman3600 and line 22 has been there since i started the mod
19:45 Amaz Add a comma after either of those lines.
19:46 nman3600 where though?
19:47 Amaz At the end.
19:47 nman3600 Tried that = fail
19:47 nman3600 if i give you the whole chunk of code can you fix it?
19:47 Amaz Okay.
19:47 Amaz I'll try.
19:48 * nman3600 always forgets the website na,e
19:48 nman3600 name*
19:48 Amaz pastebin?
19:49 nman3600 that was it
19:49 Megaf Amaz: y u no fix my code too?
19:49 Megaf :P
19:49 Amaz I could look at it, if you want...
19:51 nman3600 i'm trying to show the lines it's on and have the code but it's fucked up
19:52 PenguinDad nman3600: try this code https://dpaste.de/SU4j
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19:53 jp__ I have a problem with minetest-mapper : http://pastebin.com/XDqu0YzK
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19:57 nman3600 lol i crashed i think
19:58 PenguinDad nman3600: could you try this code https://dpaste.de/SU4j
19:58 nman3600 PenguinDad, i did and i'm testing it now
19:59 * nman3600 gives PenguinDad a pat on the back
19:59 nman3600 it works
20:00 nsa Uh oh
20:00 realtinymonster nsa!
20:01 * PenguinDad slaps m5 with a random trout!
20:02 m5 Woah
20:02 m5 lol rainbow trout
20:03 * PenguinDad ,07h,06a,12s ,12a ,07r,09a,03i,06n,04b,02o,04w ,13t,09r,04o,11u,02t,06!
20:04 * m5 copies has a rainbow trout!
20:04 m5 ...
20:04 * m5 is sad
20:05 PenguinDad m5: if you are using weechat just install prism.py
20:05 m5 hexchat
20:07 Megaf CraigyDavi: I'm not sure if you can remove 0gb's mod and use mine, I'm not sure where items are stored in his mod
20:08 CraigyDavi Megaf, Hmm okay. I have not installed it yet but when i do ill tell you if it goes to plan
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20:08 Megaf CraigyDavi: just backup things first,
20:08 Megaf more_chest should be stable by now and 100% compatible,
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20:08 Megaf but shit happens
20:09 Drae Hi:/
20:09 nman3600 Because now shears have a sound it won't let you break nodes with it
20:09 CraigyDavi Yes I'll do that
20:09 nman3600 gotta go
20:10 CraigyDavi Hi Drae
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20:10 Drae :/
20:10 Drae Hi Craigy
20:11 kaeza evenings
20:11 Drae Hi lazes
20:11 Drae *kaeza
20:12 Drae Stupid auto correct.
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20:13 Drae Kaeza do u know if kiwiirc is up yet?
20:14 Megaf !title https://forum.minetest.net/vi​ewtopic.php?p=144665#p144665
20:14 MinetestBot Megaf: [Mod] More Chests [more_chests] - Minetest Forums
20:14 Megaf ^ CraigyDavi
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20:14 CraigyDavi Nice :)
20:15 kaeza Drae, get a real IRC client :)
20:15 Drae Lara like what?
20:15 kaeza :|
20:16 Megaf Hi kaeza
20:16 Drae Grrrr....auto correct
20:16 kaeza sup Megaf
20:16 Megaf Drae: what OS you use?
20:16 CraigyDavi Drae, Try HexChat http://hexchat.github.io/
20:17 kaeza CraigyDavi, I suppose he uses some mobile device
20:17 Megaf VanessaE: will this work with pipeworks? https://forum.minetest.net/vi​ewtopic.php?p=144665#p144665
20:17 CraigyDavi Ah yes, probably not much you can do about that then
20:18 Megaf well, there are great IRC clients for Android
20:18 kaeza >Mozilla/5.0 (iPod; CPU iPhone OS 5_1_1 like Mac OS X) AppleWebKit/534.46 (KHTML, like Gecko) Version/5.1
20:18 VanessaE Megaf: I don't know.  probably not.
20:19 VanessaE (it won't break, I don't think, but pipeworks won't use it)
20:19 VanessaE I'm sure it could be adapted though
20:19 VanessaE see compat.lua in pipeworks.
20:19 VanessaE in there is code that redefines default chests and furnaces to make them work with pipeworks
20:19 VanessaE the same sort of code may work for your mod also.
20:20 Megaf Ok, I will take a look at compat.lua
20:21 jp__ VanessaE : https://forum.minetest.net/v​iewtopic.php?f=12&amp;t=9496
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20:24 realtinymonster Drae: you need a iOS client?
20:24 Megaf jp__: that's insane
20:24 jp__ Thanks :D
20:24 Drae Ya
20:24 realtinymonster try IRC999 or IRChon
20:24 realtinymonster both amazing
20:24 Megaf IRChon is better
20:24 realtinymonster I use IRC999 more
20:24 realtinymonster Megaf: not
20:25 Drae Okay I'll try those.
20:25 realtinymonster its UI is SHIT
20:25 Megaf but I rather use Colloquy
20:25 VanessaE jp__: niiiiiiiice
20:25 jp__ Enjoy it ;)
20:25 realtinymonster ^ Drae that one too
20:25 Megaf Colloquy is actually the most Apple like IRC client you will get in iOS
20:25 Megaf is what I use
20:25 Megaf used to use*
20:26 VanessaE jp__: what, no 504 Battery Drive?
20:26 Megaf now I use Quassel Client on Mac, Linux, Windows and Android and run Quassel Core on my desktop (Debian)
20:26 jp__ VanessaE : not found on MC repository :(
20:26 VanessaE so build it :)
20:27 jp__ But there WTC and Statue of Liberty, as requested ;)
20:27 jp__ there are*
20:28 Drae Monster should I put a # on front of it when I put the host name?
20:28 jp__ Next master project : Fantasia.
20:30 VanessaE jp__: your statue of liberty is messed up
20:30 VanessaE you've got her flipped horizontally.
20:30 jp__ No, she is vertically.
20:31 VanessaE no, I mean,
20:31 asl the wrong hand is holding the torch?
20:31 VanessaE you have her left hand raised
20:31 jp__ The back is messed by his MC exporter, I saw that.
20:31 VanessaE but it's her RIGHT hand that should be raised.
20:32 jp__ I can't fix that, the MC schematic is like that.
20:32 jp__ I filled the back and put a pixel art to compensate
20:33 VanessaE ehm...
20:33 VanessaE you'll piss off a few new yorkers if you don't fix this :)
20:34 jp__ Hey, it's a french gift from my ancestors to new yorkers ;)
20:34 VanessaE heh
20:34 Amaz Great! And you are repeating that gift!
20:34 jp__ Exactly :)
20:35 jp__ The MC buildings are made by a french player too.
20:35 Amaz Great!
20:35 Amaz So, you are like shipping it over!
20:36 jp__ shipping it over ?
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20:37 Amaz From MC to MT like from France to USA
20:39 * VanessaE pokes at kaeza for signs of life
20:39 Drae :-/
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20:41 VanessaE kaeza: I'm running clearobjects on the servers now, could you investigate what is causing signs_lib to create (or leave behind) duplicate entities?  there seems to be an awful lot of them for so relatively few signs.  Sapier discovered this:  http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=34xnjvb&amp;s=8#.U5i-jR_Hn0N  and this:  http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=j0ac5x&amp;s=8#.U5i-jx_Hn0N (note the floating ones).  They're whited-out here for testing.
20:42 VanessaE (whited-out is how he discovered their existence)
20:43 kaeza hmmm
20:44 Vazon VanessaE, Im stumped on a dropondie problem. When a player dies and the items drop theres tools repair them selves
20:44 VanessaE Vazon: idk about that.
20:44 Vazon mhmmmm
20:45 Piggybear87 Vazon, What's with the sounds? I was on earlier and got the shat scared out of me. Lol.
20:45 VanessaE kaeza: for a while now I've also had issues with signs leaving behind orphans when you try to edit an old sign
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20:45 VanessaE eg. the old text stays there when the new text appears
20:46 Vazon sounds??? lol
20:46 VanessaE it's like the sign loses the handle to its text entity
20:46 Piggybear87 On your server, like birds and bats, water, etc.
20:47 Piggybear87 A bird squawked and my speakers were up and it startled me.
20:47 Megaf Bye
20:47 Vazon xD that is the ambeince mod
20:48 Vazon that mod has been in for a few weeks now
20:48 Piggybear87 I know to check my volume before I log on now.
20:48 Piggybear87 I guess my speakers were down yesterday then.
20:50 Vazon ya
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20:57 VanessaE kaeza: sorry to be a pest :(
20:57 kaeza no probs
20:58 kaeza weird thing is I see nothing that could suggest leaving entities around
20:58 VanessaE yeah, neither did I when I looked just a bit ago.
20:58 VanessaE sapier: *poke*
20:58 kaeza the signs remove all "signs:text" entities in the area on update
20:59 kaeza unless it's entity duplication again...
20:59 sapier yes?
21:00 paramat hi, anyone else get a frozen game, temporary black screen, frozen computer on 2nd press of f5? with latest 0.4.9dev. just happened to me for the 3rd time
21:00 VanessaE sapier: see above
21:01 VanessaE it's gotta be an engine bug.  I think the engine is screwing up the entities' handles/names on reload
21:02 sapier why?
21:03 sapier if it'd skrew things up why should the texture size be the only one kept?
21:05 VanessaE sapier: I wish I had a better answer :P
21:05 sapier lets see if they're gona after cleanup
21:08 kaeza o wait
21:08 VanessaE kaeza: what?
21:10 kaeza I see all those signs on your screenshot are just regular wall signs (i.e. not yard signs, not fence-attached signs, etc)
21:12 kaeza the offset for the wall signs' text is {x =  0, y = 0.15, z =  0.399}
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21:13 kaeza hmm
21:14 VanessaE yeah?
21:18 kaeza eh nvm
21:21 VanessaE sapier: clearobjects is finished and all of the servers I ran it on have been restarted
21:22 VanessaE only FreeForAll and Creative remain, and they each have a couple of players active so I'll leave them be
21:23 kaeza Jordach, jdukebox/#1
21:23 Jordach what have you done now
21:23 kaeza https://github.com/Jordach/jdukebox/pull/1
21:24 Jordach donesies
21:24 kaeza >3 hours ago
21:24 kaeza stupid thunderbird didn't notify -_-
21:24 kaeza aaaand it crashed now
21:25 VanessaE sapier, kaeza:  profiler says there are now two objects (both of which I guess are players).
21:25 VanessaE *punches a sign, text appears*  --->  number of objects, 3.
21:26 Jordach kaeza, dat refactor
21:26 VanessaE *punches three more signs, three more text objects appear* --> number of objects, 7 (but that's because another player logged in)
21:26 sapier yes I'm in
21:26 VanessaE *punches 10 more signs* --> num objects, 17.
21:27 VanessaE aannnnnnd I accidentally dug a sign and erased its contents :P
21:27 sapier framerate already drops
21:27 VanessaE 31 objects visible at the spawn now.
21:28 VanessaE 37.  All of the spawn's signs are turned on now.
21:28 VanessaE would be 38 if I weren't such a klutz. :P
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21:28 VanessaE my fps is far higher now than it was before (mid to high 30's versus low 20's)
21:29 sapier yes I'm at 9 -10 fps too but I was at 11-12 before you started punching
21:29 sapier and before clean I was at 4-6
21:30 VanessaE but you're using a tablet.
21:30 * VanessaE tries hers.
21:30 VanessaE oops, can't.  already uninstalled that last build.
21:31 * VanessaE reinstalls it
21:33 VanessaE sure enough, I get a higher fps at spawn now
21:33 VanessaE 2 versus "0".
21:33 kaeza Jordach, <3 Eastern Feeling
21:34 kaeza VanessaE, I'm still seeing 1-2 objects depending whether there's a sign or not
21:34 VanessaE kaeza: players are objects too I guess
21:35 VanessaE or wait, I guess I'm misreading that
21:35 kaeza yeah, sign + me
21:35 VanessaE sapier: do entities respect the view range?  I don't think they do.
21:35 sapier << trying to joing using a 600mhz single core device
21:35 kaeza lol
21:35 VanessaE sapier: also what's the minimum view range on a tablet build?
21:36 sapier joined!
21:36 VanessaE I see you
21:36 VanessaE wait
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21:36 VanessaE what is a "simple object" according to the F6 profiler?
21:37 sapier drawtime 530ms
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21:40 VanessaE sapier: what's the minimum view range on a tablet build, and what's a "simple object" according to the F6 profiler display?
21:42 sapier 20 nodes min
21:42 sapier 50 max
21:42 VanessaE ok
21:44 VanessaE sapier: I'm gonna turn the other signs around the spawn back on now
21:45 sapier ok lets se where we're gonna end up
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21:55 realtinymonster So!
21:55 realtinymonster i'm bored
21:55 VanessaE sapier: ok, that's as many as I know about and can find.  after much flying around, 191 objects are visible to my client from the spawn, with a view range of 84 and a FPS of 28.
21:56 VanessaE which means two things:  1, there aren't nearly as many signs as you thought :P  and 2, the view range does not properly account for the rendering load caused by entities
21:56 VanessaE because my view range should have foreshortened itself a little bit to get me back into the 40+ FPS range
21:57 VanessaE (that's with my PC of course)
21:57 realtinymonster Oh wow
21:58 sapier my tablet is still at about 6fps
21:58 realtinymonster I found a survey site that actually recommends using FakeNameGeneratior
21:58 realtinymonster LOL\
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21:58 Jordach kaeza, i have a higher resolution version
21:59 sapier but those orphaned items seem to be gone
22:00 VanessaE sapier: indeed.  now, what about the "simple objects" question?
22:01 sapier no idea :-)
22:01 VanessaE I ask because I wonder if we're using the wrong "mode" for the signs' entities
22:02 VanessaE if there's a "simple" object that would take less GPU/CPU time to render, could we use it, etc etc.
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22:06 Drae Ugh :( I'm sick.
22:08 VanessaE sowwy :(
22:08 Drae I hate being sick
22:09 Drae Well I'll be afk playing sniper shooter >:) bust me some heads
22:13 Jordach Sniper Elite V2 FTW
22:17 VanessaE ~seen sdzen
22:17 VanessaE !seen sdzen
22:17 MinetestBot VanessaE: sdzen was last seen at 2014-02-22 03:58:24 UTC on #minetest
22:17 VanessaE feh.
22:17 VanessaE gonna force me to fix this myself eh.
22:21 Drae Back :)
22:23 VanessaE hm, actually I don't have to fix it.  just didn't know what tool to use.
22:25 Drae ;(
22:27 Drae !seen ChubbaBubba
22:27 MinetestBot Drae: Sorry, I haven't seen chubbabubba around.
22:27 Drae ~seen ChubbaBubba
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22:36 * Jordach tries to poke RBA
22:36 Jordach ~tell RealBadAngel dude - i've got a meshnode waiting for youy
22:36 Jordach DAMMIT
22:36 Jordach !tell RealBadAngel dude - i've got a meshnode waiting for you
22:36 MinetestBot Jordach: I'll pass that on when RealBadAngel is around
22:37 Jordach :3
22:37 * Jordach pats MinetestBot
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22:39 Jordach evening paramat
22:41 paramat more info on f5 freeze: happens on 2nd or 3rd press of f5 when flying, latest 049dev. game freezes, screen goes black temporarily, computer frozen except mouse
22:41 paramat o/
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22:42 paramat verbose debug looks normal but perhaps i'll post it in the forum
22:43 VanessaE paramat: strange, I've been using that function and it seems to work fine here
22:43 Jordach paramat, i'm heading into the city on Saturday to watch X-Men
22:45 paramat hm, could be my dodgy old laptop. Jordach warning :) i am a bit antisocial ;)
22:46 Jordach lol
22:46 VanessaE paramat: but everyone loves ya anyway
22:46 Jordach i'm worse, i live in my corner - and am apparently incapable of visiting the job centre weekly
22:46 Jordach in fact, i could probably give you the exact GPS location of where i'm sitting
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22:56 Jordach VanessaE, are those signs well hung by players? :D
22:57 Jordach or are they like torches, don't abide by gravity
22:57 Jordach considering ceiling torches irl are impossible without affixing them :D
22:58 VanessaE Jordach: wat
22:58 VanessaE oh, no they don't respect attached-node etc
22:58 Jordach i was reading your post about  upside down signs ;P
22:58 VanessaE (and there's no "hanging node" feature either)
22:58 Jordach and about how they hung ;P
22:59 VanessaE no, not upside-down, hung
22:59 VanessaE as if dangling from chains
22:59 Jordach although i'm probably swapping my dictionary defs again
22:59 VanessaE look on Survival, at "Ye Old Smithye" shop
22:59 VanessaE that one is a hanging sign
22:59 VanessaE or in the travelnet exchange there, the sign above the registration desk
23:01 Drae Hi guys :/
23:02 Drae Anyone?
23:03 Jordach hm?
23:04 Drae $.$ Mr.Krabs
23:04 VanessaE hi
23:05 Drae Money money money!
23:09 Drae Afk guys.
23:12 Piggybear87 |.| |.|  <--THAT is Mr. Krabs, Drae.
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23:14 Piggybear87 Hello ecutruin, did you figure out what you needed yesterday?
23:14 Jordach evening? ecutruin
23:14 ecutruin Piggybear87, eh I figured out a lot. ^-^
23:15 Piggybear87 Sweet! I look forward to some new mods :)
23:15 * Jordach does too :D
23:15 Jordach kinda bit stale on the modding front :P
23:15 ecutruin Seems the engine does have some work before its 'exactly' what I need, but that I should be able to do a 'lot' of what I want with creative use of the available features.
23:15 * Piggybear87 has plenty, but need MOAR!!!!!
23:16 Jordach ecutruin, what we need is an infusion of cocaine + meth + a blender + smoothie = mad hatter level ideas
23:16 ecutruin Jordach, I noticed that as well. ^-^;  It'll be a bit for me to really get a handle on it all, but hopefully I can do some interesting things.
23:16 Piggybear87 Jordach, Whoa...
23:16 Jordach sweet
23:17 Jordach i swear IRC just locked up
23:17 Jordach well Quassel*
23:17 ecutruin One thing I know though is that I'll likely need to essentially remake Minetest default (I can do that right?), as if I'm going to do stuff, I might as well start from scratch(ish).
23:18 Jordach ecutruin, you can
23:18 Piggybear87 Open source for a reason. :)
23:18 Jordach there are other subgames for the engine, such as Minitest, Nodetopia, Big Freaking Digh
23:18 * ecutruin nods.
23:18 Jordach all with different goals in mind
23:18 VanessaE and Dreambuilder ;)
23:19 Jordach VanessaE, why'd you think BFD attempts to only have one method of doing things rather than the infinite possible combos
23:20 VanessaE heh
23:21 Jordach because - Technic's multiple ores, Moreores, Weird Ores, and the list continues
23:21 ecutruin So Jordach, you do the Technic mod right?
23:22 VanessaE I like having multiple ways to do stufff
23:22 VanessaE -f
23:22 Jordach ecutruin, i'm a contributor; but i don't commit, if even rarely
23:22 Jordach hint: i dislike large projects by multiple people with differing goals
23:22 ecutruin Ah.  I was curious why they bother to call it 'Technic'.. when Technic isn't actually a single mod. xD
23:23 Jordach ecutruin, modpack more like
23:23 Jordach bbl - frigging around with Blender's Raytracing again
23:23 ecutruin Yeah, as I said the other morning, I know pretty much every author of every mod in that pack. xD
23:23 kaeza TECHNICally it's a mod, as everything depends on everything else (more or less)
23:24 kaeza (I just said something stupid to make a bad pun, my apologies :P)
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23:24 VanessaE haha
23:24 ecutruin kaeza, no.. Technic 'technically' is a launcher.  The mods running on said launcher are the modpack..
23:24 * ecutruin snickers.
23:26 Jordach we don't need no stinkin launchers :D
23:26 Tesseract Jordach: I know.  Her server is down ATM.
23:27 Jordach you took 1 day to respond
23:27 Jordach i've seen worse :P
23:27 * ecutruin snickers..
23:28 ecutruin Oh man, I'm looking at the Technic mod for minetest.. o.o;
23:28 ecutruin You weren't kidding when you said multiple authors, were you?
23:29 Jordach yup :P
23:29 * VanessaE hides
23:29 * ecutruin should maybe shut up before offending others. >.<
23:29 * ecutruin meeps.
23:29 Jordach offending others here doesn't work
23:30 Jordach i often take the piss and don't even get slapped on the wrist
23:30 kaeza you just get trolled for all eternity
23:30 Jordach maybe execept that one time where i used retarded and fuckwit one after another
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23:30 Exio4 oh man
23:30 Exio4 this pizza + papas fritas is awesome
23:30 * kaeza hugs E
23:30 Drae Wat up!
23:30 kaeza potato fries
23:30 kaeza Exio4,
23:30 Jordach the night sky
23:31 Jordach (that's actually correct here)
23:31 Exio4 potato fries is english, and this is too good to be english
23:31 ecutruin Well, just, what I will say is that if people want to copy MC mods.. why don't they just copy the MC mods? >.<
23:33 Jordach because some people might not want 1:1 clones
23:33 * ecutruin hrms..
23:33 Jordach they might also want to add their own thoughts in rather than what was intended :P
23:33 ecutruin Yeah.. I think I'll just shut up on that topic. ^-^;
23:35 Exio4 'clones' are nice as long as they are filters of good features/concepts and kill the "workarounds", "tricks", "bad design problems", etc
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23:38 ecutruin Exio4, I...shall respectfuly agree/disagree.  If you're going to sit down and rework the mods, you should still make sure it feels like it all fits together. ^-~;
23:38 Jordach unlike technic
23:38 * Jordach waits for a high five
23:39 * VanessaE 's brain starts to short out...
23:41 ecutruin VanessaE, sorry if I sound harsh. ^-^;  I'm actually a content designer from the MC community.  Specifically those mods that people are duplicating here were written by friends of mine.  So.. I do feel a bit conflicted on that alone.
23:41 ecutruin I'm also probably twice the age of the average Minetest player, I'd hazzard a bet.
23:42 VanessaE no worries, ecutruin
23:42 VanessaE however, what I write for Minetest is done with no MC influence (I don't own the game and have never played it)
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23:44 ShadowNinja ecutruin: I understand what you mean.  But you can't expect us to not make any mods that have been made for MC.  Although many are specifically designed as copied of MC mods some of them were made without being aware that a MC alternative was available.
23:45 ecutruin I've seen some of your stuff, VanessaE, in my research on the forums.  I've liked some of what I've seen. ^-^  I'm also an artist and a pretty damn critical one.  So I do tend to be quite harsh.
23:45 ShadowNinja Some want to copy MC to Minetest, but many (most?) want Minetest to be different, although obviously similar.
23:45 ecutruin ShadowNinja, why don't people just make their own large content mod? ^-^
23:46 Jordach some want Science, some want Magicka and some just want a proper realistic survival experience
23:46 VanessaE ecutruin: dare I ask what you didn't like? O_o
23:46 ShadowNinja ecutruin: Well, the largest mod that I can think of is Technic.  Parts of it were inspired by some MC mods, but it is very different.
23:47 VanessaE ShadowNinja: I dunno, homedecor might compete with it ;)
23:47 ShadowNinja ^ That's a pretty big mod too.
23:47 ecutruin VanessaE, since you asked.. colored wood, and pipeworks.  Specifically.  Not from a conceptual standpoint but from an artistist.  The texturing on the colored wood could use a bit of work.. and the pipeworks uses high resolution textures when the world is using low.
23:48 Jordach ^
23:48 VanessaE ecutruin: in the former case, it's just that I didn't put a lot of effort into the textures is all.  For the pipeworks ones, I went with 64px out of necessity.  low-rez textures would have looked horrible on those objects imho
23:48 VanessaE but if someone can supply better ones at 16px, I'll consider it
23:48 VanessaE I'm not closed-off to pull requests :)
23:48 Jordach unlike PilzAdam ;3
23:48 ecutruin ShadowNinja, but Technic isn't the communities own mod.  Its a collection of blocks from MC mods, redrawn/recolored (or using Terraria recolors), with tweaks to the mechanics to make it 'different'
23:49 Jordach dafuq is up with Spotify
23:49 Jordach my starred list is crashing
23:49 VanessaE for example, tubes kinda need 64px textures to retain the glassy appearance of the tubes' surfaces.  I frankly think the MC equivalents look horrible
23:50 ecutruin VanessaE, like I said, I'm a picky, grumpy old kitteh.  Don't take everything I complain about seriously. ^-^  If you like it, by all means. hehe.  Those were just my criticism. <3
23:50 VanessaE ecutruin: oh no, no worries at all.  If you can make better ones, please do.  I'll consider them :)
23:50 ecutruin You've seen Redpower, I assume?
23:50 VanessaE only some brief videos.
23:50 Jordach ecutruin, Mesecons looks like it
23:51 Jordach (i infact think, that's what it is based from)
23:51 VanessaE those copper/golden-colored tubes look terrible imho
23:51 ShadowNinja AFAIK all of Technic's textures are custom.  But the node's functionality is hardly "tweaked".  They're designed from the beginning to be different.
23:51 ecutruin Jordach, not redpower wires.. pipes. :3
23:51 Jordach ecutruin, oh, not the pipes :3
23:51 ShadowNinja Some of them are designed to copy MC things, but not everything.
23:51 ecutruin http://img2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb2012​1019232705/thetekkit/images/thumb/3/33/​Pump_Example.png/400px-Pump_Example.png
23:51 VanessaE ecutruin: case in point.
23:52 * ShadowNinja can't open that link.
23:52 Jordach you serious
23:52 ShadowNinja I'm using WeeChat and Alt-L doesn't work.
23:52 Piggybear87 Ok, I simply cannot host a server, even strictly vanilla. But I am planning a server for when I get a better computer. I want to have a "theme", if you will. What type of theme should I go with?
23:52 ecutruin VanessaE, see.. I disagree with that being bad.. I think it fits the style of the game you're working in. ^-^
23:52 VanessaE the link (which points to a pretty small image) shows those copper/golden-colored Redpower tubes and they're so....croweded
23:52 VanessaE crowded*
23:52 Jordach Piggybear87, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FNtOubBQv10
23:52 VanessaE they look almost solid
23:53 Piggybear87 Like a "piggybear_game".
23:53 ecutruin I'll get ya another picture. ^-^
23:53 Jordach buildcraft pipes were the best
23:53 Jordach hands down
23:53 Jordach and they worked with every mod i can think of
23:53 Piggybear87 Jordach, Random much?
23:54 ecutruin And ShadowNinja, can you find a youtube video showing me Technic in action quite indepth?  I'm open to changing my viewpoint, but what I've seen seems to be quite duplicated features, tweaked.
23:55 ShadowNinja ecutruin: Um, Minetest doesn't have much of a YT presence.  But I'll look.
23:55 ShadowNinja ecutruin: Or you could of course try it yourself.  :-)
23:56 VanessaE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ioG8OysZyvk
23:56 VanessaE ecutruin: ^^^^^^
23:56 ecutruin Here's a better one - http://img3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb2​0120830220214/thetekkit/images/thumb​/0/01/Done%21.png/1000px-Done%21.png
23:56 ShadowNinja ecutruin: Searching for "minetest technic" cones up with quite a few hits.
23:57 VanessaE (old video, damn)
23:58 ecutruin VanessaE, I did not say pipeworks weren't impressive from a technical standpoint. ^-^  Though it seems the entities pop out of the pipes at intersections.. is that an entity issue itself?
23:58 Jordach ecutruin, network / Lua lags
23:58 kaeza ecutruin, that's due to MT not having true client-side prediction
23:58 Jordach there isn't fast enough internal "updates/ticks"
23:58 ecutruin Ah.
23:58 VanessaE ecutruin: it's a client-side issue, there's no way to stop an entity from going past a certain coordinate.
23:59 * ecutruin mentally notes that as a nother limitation he'd have to deal with.
23:59 kaeza ecutruin, the entities only pop-up client side; as far as the server cares, the entities are still "on track"

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