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00:00 Exio4 if you actually don't make a question you won't get answers
00:00 Exio4 it is a bit late in europe though
00:00 Jordach >dead channel
00:00 Jordach >103 users
00:00 Jordach pffffff
00:00 Exio4 you're a zombie Jordach
00:00 sweBers I've seen worse :)
00:00 Exio4 go back to l4d2
00:00 Jordach Exio4, i don't own that
00:00 Jordach and yes, it's late in the EU (1am here)
00:01 Exio4 you're UTC
00:01 Exio4 aren't you?
00:01 Jordach +1 actually
00:01 Exio4 ehm, no, UTC+1 atm
00:01 Jordach (fucking summer times)
00:01 Exio4 i'm @ 21:00 and utc-3
00:01 Jordach fuck that random +1 -1 hour we get
00:01 Exio4 all year
00:01 sweBers Anyway, I am new to MineTest, and have just decided to start testing the mods.  I have downloaded and installed several mods into the mods folder.  They're complaining about duplicates of the same library, and was wondering if these would probably be the same library or different libraries that would stack.
00:01 sweBers For instance, I'm getting ERROR[main]: ModError: ModError: Unresolved name conflicts for mods "plants_lib".
00:02 Jordach multiple mods with the same name?
00:02 Exio4 you have to install plants_lib (a mod that will do nothing but be used as dep of the other mods)
00:02 Exio4 if it is *that* error
00:02 sweBers Oh
00:02 sweBers yeah
00:02 sweBers wait
00:02 Jordach are you also sure you enabled the mod for that world?
00:03 Jordach installing it doesn't mean it's used on *those* worlds
00:03 sweBers I've enabled all of them
00:03 sweBers I see now
00:03 sweBers I'm seeing collisions between the mods folder and the \games\minetest_game\mods folders
00:04 sweBers and also between the following folders
00:04 sweBers 18:34:58: ERROR[main]: WARNING: Mod name conflict detected: "plants_lib"
00:04 sweBers 18:34:58: ERROR[main]: Will not load: C:\Users\Jesse\Documents\minetest-​0.4.9\bin\..\mods\jkmod\plants_lib
00:04 sweBers 18:34:58: ERROR[main]: Will not load: C:\Users\Jesse\Documents\minetest-0.4.9\​bin\..\mods\plantlife_master\plants_lib
00:05 sweBers Is it possible that jkmod and plantlife_master are using the same library, or can I only use one?
00:06 Exio4 i'd delete one of them ;P
00:08 sweBers I'm probably just being a glutton, then.  I guess they're probably using similar libraries, if not the same.
00:08 Jordach i only know of one plants_lib
00:08 Jordach remove the one from jkmod
00:09 Jordach and see if it runs, if else, remove the plantlife_master one
00:09 Jordach usually trial and error
00:09 sweBers Yeah, I was overcomplicating it
00:09 Jordach !tell EvergreenTree https://soundcloud.com/karthy/darren-styles-scr​ewface-2?in=karthy/sets/darren-styles-screwface
00:09 MinetestBot Jordach: yeah, sure, whatever
00:09 * Jordach pats MinetestBot
00:12 sweBers Ah, they're the same library, but Plantlife master is the newest
00:18 VanessaE plantlife is the one that supplies it
00:18 VanessaE as in, that's the official repository for it.
00:18 VanessaE whatever jkmod is, don't use the one that comes with it :)
00:19 VanessaE (unless there are changes he hasn't told me about)
00:20 sweBers Thank you very much, it is working well
00:20 * sweBers proceeds to lurk
00:21 Exio4 hell, superhexagon is THE hell
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01:03 The_Beast Hey
01:04 The_Beast VanesssaE OR ShadowZone there
01:04 The_Beast ShadowNinja you there
01:05 The_Beast Who is here any one?
01:05 smoke_fumus awhile ago i manipulated this screenshot https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/9288​177/mc-newblocks/2012-06-05_14.35.32.png into this https://dl.dropboxusercontent.co​m/u/9288177/mc-newblocks/hm.PNG and though wouldn't it be interesting to see whole game like this. Well, today i am happy to announce that i made such rendering  https://dl.dropboxusercontent.c​om/u/9288177/Test3_decisive.png
01:05 smoke_fumus here's video. watch 720p fullscreen only http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5g5DhTkHffI (still loss of quality though)
01:06 The_Beast Ok
01:06 The_Beast That Cool
01:06 The_Beast Is that Minetest
01:07 smoke_fumus nah nope, that's minecraft, lol.
01:07 The_Beast Oh I cant tell
01:07 smoke_fumus and demo is on unity3d
01:07 The_Beast But that  is so cool
01:07 smoke_fumus thanks. I am working in details right now.
01:07 The_Beast You Should Add Where you can see little star shining in the sky
01:08 smoke_fumus good idea actually
01:09 The_Beast Yeah they Should Appear Every 15 sec at diffrent times
01:09 smoke_fumus it all (this idea) started from flash game called "looming" http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/541333
01:09 smoke_fumus it looks like horror game but it's actually puzzle/exploration/collectible game
01:10 The_Beast Like on second 1 one in the bunch of 15 Shine then on second 2 Another one in the bunch of 15 shines and So On
01:11 The_Beast The Bunch can be bigger i would make them in bunches of 200
01:12 smoke_fumus uh, you know what. no. this is way off the road from what i intended
01:12 The_Beast Ok
01:13 The_Beast What i mean is take 200 Shines in the sky and Bunch them together and make then shine on diffrent times
01:14 smoke_fumus and this will be significant like how?
01:15 The_Beast Well it will look cool
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01:41 smoke_fumus The_Beast: i'll think about adding stars which shine, as opposed to static ones. Meanwhile i need to think on concept
01:41 The_Beast ok
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02:19 blaise wow, I would have totally figured minetest-0.5.0 to be out by now
02:19 blaise are we in minetest pergatory?
02:23 VanessaE nope
02:24 VanessaE and it won't be 0.5.0
02:24 VanessaE it will be 0.4.10
02:24 VanessaE and it's coming "soon".
02:26 The_Beast VanessaE Why dont http://webchat.inchra.net/#minetest work
02:27 VanessaE the DNS must be down again
02:27 The_Beast ok
02:27 VanessaE use 192.99.11.10
02:27 The_Beast ok
02:28 The_Beast it says Index of / on 192.99.11.10
02:28 VanessaE as an irc server, derp
02:28 The_Beast oh
02:28 The_Beast I cant evern load the page 192.99.11.10
02:29 VanessaE use a real IRC client
02:29 The_Beast i cant load the page http://webchat.inchra.net/#minetest
02:29 VanessaE plug that address in as the IRC server.
02:29 The_Beast My Computer anti virues software to strongk it wont let any irc client
02:30 VanessaE bull
02:30 VanessaE get hexchat
02:30 VanessaE http://hexchat.github.io/
02:30 The_Beast ok let me try that again
02:31 The_Beast it says access denied
02:32 VanessaE talk to your parents then to fix it
02:32 The_Beast They Tried
02:32 The_Beast They even called the competency they said there was nothing they could do
02:33 VanessaE bullshit,.
02:33 The_Beast yeah
02:33 VanessaE get rid of that piece of crap program.
02:33 The_Beast it not crap it is Kerpersksy
02:34 VanessaE it is crap if it won't let you make exceptions to WIDELY USED POPULAR software like Hexchat.
02:34 Piggybear87 <VanessaE> get hexchat
02:34 Piggybear87 ^
02:34 VanessaE it is probably the second most popular behind mIRC.
02:34 The_Beast mirc let me try that
02:35 The_Beast acess denied again forr mIRC
02:35 VanessaE then get rid of that stupid program
02:35 VanessaE it's shit
02:36 VanessaE no good anti-virus blocks programs like mIRC.
02:36 The_Beast Nah
02:36 VanessaE yeaj
02:36 VanessaE yeah.
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02:36 VanessaE I know from whence I speak, The_Beast.
02:36 The_Beast k
02:37 VanessaE and tell them to try again.
02:37 VanessaE and again
02:37 VanessaE and keep trying until they figure it out
02:37 The_Beast k
02:37 VanessaE and take your computer to a repair center if they have to
02:37 VanessaE this is bullshit
02:37 Piggybear87 You're really using Kaspersky?
02:37 The_Beast yes
02:38 Piggybear87 Got something that, well, works! Lol.
02:38 Piggybear87 Get*
02:38 The_Beast it does it has protect my computer for 5 years
02:38 Piggybear87 What OS do you have?
02:39 VanessaE I have this can opener on my desk, it protects me from tigers.  Seems to work pretty good!
02:39 Piggybear87 Lmfao!
02:39 The_Beast I dont care
02:39 VanessaE The_Beast: antiviruses are only good to protect you from yourself, that's all
02:39 Piggybear87 +1
02:39 The_Beast PiggyBear are you "PiggyBear"   from landrush
02:40 Piggybear87 Don't do anything stupid and you don't need it.
02:40 VanessaE don't use a crap OS and use good practices when using your PC and you will never get a virus.
02:40 The_Beast I have Win8
02:41 Piggybear87 I had Windows from 3.1 to 7 and never had an antivirus program, also never had a virus.
02:41 Piggybear87 And win8?... Get Linux...
02:41 The_Beast Linkuz is crap
02:41 VanessaE it's spelled "Linux" and it works great for me.
02:42 The_Beast I dont like it
02:42 VanessaE and Piggybear87 seems to have little trouble with it that isn't directly attributable to glitchy hardware ;)
02:42 Piggybear87 I LOVED Windows, I got Linux.... I'm never going back. And yes it's a pain at first, but I'm getting used to it.
02:43 VanessaE why don't you like it, The_Beast ?
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02:43 The_Beast I just dont understand it overall
02:44 VanessaE that's no reason to dislike it.
02:44 VanessaE I don't understand a lot of stuff but that doesn't mean I dislike those things.
02:46 Piggybear87 I can't bake to save my life, I still like cookies. :)
02:46 VanessaE I don't understand the chemistry that goes into a lithium battery, but I love the idea of Tesla electric vehicles.
02:46 VanessaE (which use them)
02:47 Piggybear87 I love the roadster. It's sick as hell, fast, and all electric!
02:47 VanessaE Piggybear87: I want a model S :)
02:47 The_Beast I have 2 roadsters
02:47 VanessaE bullshit
02:47 The_Beast Yes i have one and my dad gave me his
02:48 VanessaE there weren't enough of them made for anyone to own two of them
02:48 Piggybear87 Wow, from OS's to electric cars... Nice. We are effing random here on #minetest.
02:48 Piggybear87 VanessaE... Jay Leno owns 2... But he has more money than god.
02:48 VanessaE ok ok maybe SOME people have two
02:49 Piggybear87 Lol. :)
02:49 BrandonReese Elon Musk is my hero
02:49 The_Beast My Dad Bought me one and then he saw how good they were and bought him one then gave me his after a few years
02:50 VanessaE The_Beast: prove it. send one of them to me
02:50 VanessaE :)
02:50 The_Beast no
02:50 VanessaE ok, pics or it didn't happen
02:50 Piggybear87 I would be happy with a pic of him holding a sign with his username standing in front of them...
02:51 Piggybear87 Also, Howdy BrandonReese!
02:51 BrandonReese Howdy
02:51 VanessaE greets, Brandon
02:51 BrandonReese Hello Vanessa
02:52 Piggybear87 This sucks, I want to play, but I also want HexChat up, and I can't have both.
02:52 The_Beast Hey Brandon why does OldCoder own  LandRush
02:53 BrandonReese My budget VPS started sending me CPU usage warnings so OldCoder is hosting it now
02:53 The_Beast Ok
02:53 VanessaE Brandon:  hope it wasn't one of my mods throwing your CPU usage out of whack
02:54 VanessaE The_Beast: well?  pictures of the two cars or what?
02:54 * VanessaE waits...
02:54 The_Beast yES
02:54 VanessaE "Guido still don't believe you."
02:54 BrandonReese Who knows, I'm running Pipeworks, Mescons, and Technic so it's probably a combination
02:54 The_Beast Here is the first one https://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/i​mages?q=tbn:ANd9GcSE8VzpOQWr_0a9_S1a​frDyynMJ61IGlbWHvKm1F4rvzWpnVrAY0Q
02:54 VanessaE what?
02:55 The_Beast Let me Download the second one from my phone to my computer
02:55 VanessaE that's not a Tesla Roadster you schmuck
02:55 The_Beast Well Thats the roadster i have
02:55 Piggybear87 *|The_Beast googles "Two Tesla Roadsters"...
02:55 The_Beast I have that one in blue 2
02:55 VanessaE not even CLOSE to the same thing
02:55 VanessaE http://carpaper.net/wp-content/uploads/20​14/02/tesla-roadster-0-60-mph-picture.jpg
02:55 The_Beast What is the diffrence
02:55 VanessaE THAT is a tesla roadster
02:55 The_Beast Oh
02:56 VanessaE and I want one
02:56 Piggybear87 So...Damn...Sexy...
02:56 VanessaE but they're not made anymore.
02:56 The_Beast Well still i have 2 2013 lepord Roadsters
02:56 VanessaE Piggybear87: how many were made again?  like 1200 or something?
02:56 BrandonReese I didn't know they stopped making the roadster
02:56 Piggybear87 I don't even think that many.
02:56 VanessaE 2,450 says Wikipedia.
02:56 * Piggybear87 has a $2000.00 dream car...
02:57 The_Beast They Made 1000 Telsa Roadsters
02:57 * Piggybear87 feels like a broke joke...
02:57 VanessaE http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tesla_Roadster
02:57 Piggybear87 Lol.
02:57 The_Beast Wikipedia can be changed my any one for your infomation
02:57 VanessaE "Tesla delivered approximately 2,450 Roadsters worldwide between 2008 and December, 2012"
02:57 The_Beast No That is wrong it was only 1000
02:58 VanessaE The_Beast: I will believe Tesla's numbers before I believe yours.
02:58 VanessaE you can't even spell their name right
02:58 The_Beast ok Wikipedia can be  be changed by any one
02:59 VanessaE maybe wikipedia can, but FORBES can't:
02:59 VanessaE "Tesla also sold 89 of its six-figure Roadster electric sports cars in the second quarter, bringing total sales to more than 2,350"
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03:00 VanessaE ". The company said there are between 130 and 140 Roadsters left and it expects to sell out of the car by the end of the year"
03:00 VanessaE and I will believe Forbes Magazine before I will believe you.  Sorry.
03:00 The_Beast Ok
03:01 The_Beast Well I Only Heard/seen on tv only 1000 were made
03:01 VanessaE never believe the television
03:01 VanessaE even the news is suspect.
03:01 The_Beast My Friends Dad is a Millionaire He Has One of Those Now that i think about it
03:02 The_Beast My Friends Dad Own a Big Business i don't know the name
03:03 VanessaE meanwhile, the Model S is going well it seems.  7535 cars just in 1Q this year alone, and doing 700 cars/week. I like that.  I hope they sell millions.
03:03 The_Beast Well The Car Can Cost up to 1mil from certin peopel
03:04 Piggybear87 So the price comes down*
03:04 VanessaE The_Beast:  WRONG
03:04 The_Beast I am talking about the Original not the model s
03:04 VanessaE The_Beast: the Roadster was around $110,000 fully equipped.  the Model S is something like $80,000 similarly loaded.
03:04 Piggybear87 Tell you friends dad "the millionaire" that I want a 1990 Nissan Skyline GTR32
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03:05 The_Beast My Friends Dad Bought the Tesla Roadster from a Car Collecter for 1mil
03:05 The_Beast PiggyBear No
03:05 Piggybear87 He got ripped off...
03:05 VanessaE the model...E I think?  is expected to breach the $50,000 mark, or maybe they were shooting for $30,000?  I don't recall now.
03:05 The_Beast Yeah He Did But He said it was worth it
03:06 VanessaE The_Beast: he's lying, unless he bought it along with about 8 or so other similarly-valued cars.  no idiot is going to pay a million bucks for a Roadster.
03:06 Piggybear87 Not, $900,000.00 extra is not worth it for anyone, not even Bill Gates...
03:06 VanessaE the rich don't stay rich by paying 9x the value of something they want
03:07 The_Beast He Is a millionaire so he said he did no care and he did buy it off some one when they were first being made when like the 265 Telsa
03:07 Piggybear87 Tesla...
03:07 Piggybear87 Not Telsa...
03:07 The_Beast The RoadSter
03:07 VanessaE 265 tesla?  there's no such car.
03:08 The_Beast The TeslaRoadSter i mean i just shortened it  and 265 was the number car made
03:10 VanessaE when they were first being made, you had to get on a waiting list - the factory did not have the ability to make them fast enough
03:10 VanessaE no amount of money was going to change that
03:10 The_Beast My Friend Dad Bought it off a Collecter that bought the car
03:11 VanessaE and if anything, assuming he exists at all and told even half the truth, he bought one car and invested the rest into the company.
03:11 VanessaE THAT is how the rich stay rich
03:11 The_Beast Well i dont care
03:11 VanessaE if you were truly rich like you claim, you would.
03:12 VanessaE I'm poor as folk and even I care.
03:12 The_Beast I am rich but not Rich Rich
03:12 Piggybear87 Nor do we, because we know you're lying your ass off...
03:12 VanessaE (unless all the cryptocurrency I hold suddenly becomes really valuable, that is)
03:12 The_Beast No
03:12 Piggybear87 The_Beast, Age?  Just curious...
03:13 The_Beast 15
03:13 Piggybear87 Then YOU are not rich, your parents are and you're a soiled little brat.
03:13 VanessaE soiled?  heh
03:13 Piggybear87 IF you're not lying*
03:13 The_Beast Yes
03:13 The_Beast I am not
03:13 Piggybear87 Spoiled*
03:14 VanessaE The_Beast: you are up against three well-educated adults here.  We know our shit.  Don't test us.
03:14 VanessaE rich, we may not be.  stupid, we are most definitely NOT.
03:14 Piggybear87 Especially me when it comes to cars. I may be a Linux n00b, but I've studied cars my whole life.
03:14 The_Beast Yes i am kinda spolid i have every new gaming system  I have xbox 360 and xbox one and playstation 4 and 3 and  also i have a alienware 18 computer and a iphone5c
03:15 VanessaE The_Beast: I would call that EXTREMELY spoiled.
03:15 The_Beast Yes
03:15 VanessaE Piggybear87: same here.
03:15 The_Beast ?
03:15 Piggybear87 >The_Beast< CTCP VERSION
03:15 Piggybear87 -The_Beast- VERSION qwebirc v0.91, copyright (C) 2008-2011 Chris Porter and the qwebirc project -- Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.3; WOW64) AppleWebKit/537.36 (KHTML, like Gecko) Chrome/35.0.1916.114 Safari/537.36
03:15 VanessaE Piggybear87: I have, unfortunately, forgotten more than half of what I have learned though :-/
03:15 Piggybear87 Alienware 18? No. Win8? No...
03:16 The_Beast I am on win8 not alienwarre 18 computer right now
03:16 The_Beast I only use my alienware 18 computer for minetest and minecraft
03:17 The_Beast Win8 is Windows8 if you did not know
03:17 Piggybear87 I do know that. I also know it's the worst Windows since Vista.
03:17 BrandonReese That is not true
03:17 The_Beast I love Win8
03:18 Piggybear87 Unless you have a touch screen.
03:18 The_Beast I dont have touchscreen
03:18 BrandonReese No, just get RocketDock and put all of your commonly used applications on it and you never have to see the stupid start screen
03:18 The_Beast I wish i had touchscreen  but i could not get it on my Alienware computer when i got it
03:19 BrandonReese I find Win8 stable and seeminly more light weight than 7 (but that could also be because my Win8 computer is quad core and my Win7 computer is dual core)
03:19 Piggybear87 Then you sir, are not rich... Sorry.
03:19 The_Beast Yes i am
03:20 The_Beast My Parents Say TouchScreen computer screen break easy and Get Runined easy
03:20 Piggybear87 Ok... I'm never going to believe you. Keep telling yourself that you are, maybe one day you will be.
03:20 The_Beast I am now
03:20 Piggybear87 coolstorybro.png
03:21 BrandonReese I am one of the top 15% wealthiest people in the world
03:22 The_Beast Lol
03:22 BrandonReese I am in the top 15% of wealthiest people in the world would probably have been a more coherent way to word that...
03:24 Piggybear87 BrandonReese, You could wipe the Win7 PC and load up Ubuntu and host the server on that. :)
03:25 BrandonReese Nah, it's a laptop and Uverse blocks all my ports :(
03:25 Piggybear87 Ah. That sucks.
03:26 VanessaE BrandonReese: ooh, top 15% wealthiest eh?  remind me to suck up for money later ;)
03:26 VanessaE BrandonReese: they block *everything* ? :(
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03:27 BrandonReese I just discovered that a few weeks ago. I wanted to open SSH to my home computer and I couldn't. I have had the same IP for over a year but I can't do jack with it
03:28 BrandonReese Well, If you make over $10,000 per year you're in the top 23% of wealthiest people in the world
03:31 The_Beast My Dad makes 178,000$ a year
03:31 The_Beast My Mom makes well over 200,00$ a year
03:32 asl BrandonReese: what's the plan for the default privs for landrush?
03:32 The_Beast i mean 200,000$ a yeah
03:32 The_Beast Gtg
03:32 BrandonReese default privs should be fast shout interact and money
03:33 asl oldcoder said he might not approve interact as default privs
03:33 Piggybear87 Can Freeminer clients connect to Minetest servers? I mean, they're the same thing.
03:33 BrandonReese Last I knew they could
03:35 * Piggybear87 was considering trying it despite the bad reviews he's read.
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03:51 Piggybear87 Anyone know of any good emulators? All systems welcome (from NES, that is) I would like ones for NES, SNES, PS1/2, XBox (original), GBA, 3/2DS, etc..
03:53 asl BrandonReese: and the current default privs is just shout
03:53 BrandonReese I'm talking to OldCoder about it
03:54 Piggybear87 I got in a little bit ago but the map wouldn't load. I was in one chunk for about 10 minutes and gave up.
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04:06 Hirato pcsx2 is great
04:27 Piggybear87 Hirato,  Is that for Linux? Sorry about the slow reply, I was on Minetest.
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04:27 Piggybear87 asl, Are you on Landrush?
04:28 asl yes
04:28 Piggybear87 Is the map loading correctly?
04:29 asl yes
04:29 Piggybear87 Cool, be there in a sec.
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04:32 asl you turn into unknown
04:36 Piggybear87 What do you mean? Like unknown player?
04:36 asl yup
04:36 Piggybear87 BrandonReese, Do you know why I would be stuck in one chunk? And show up as unknown player?
04:37 asl server been up too long and start having this kind of problem
04:37 BrandonReese No, I've seen the unknown player before. It typically seems to be a connection issue
04:37 Vazon ShadowNinja are you there
04:38 Piggybear87 !up minetest.org 30011
04:38 MinetestBot minetest.org:30011 is up (1334ms)
04:38 Vazon OldCoder is working on a client that has auto log in, Piggy. that should fix all of your problems
04:38 Piggybear87 Or that...
04:38 Piggybear87 Auto login? How would I join other servers? Like my own... Lol.
04:39 Piggybear87 Is he sleeping right now, or just away?
04:39 Vazon Piggy i mean as it you log into a server and it should log you right in
04:39 Vazon hes away atm
04:39 Vazon it comes with the media already loaded
04:40 Piggybear87 Well, I'm loading right away now, but I'm stuck in a chunk and nothing else loads. I can't even put stuff in chests.
04:41 Piggybear87 Vazon, I'm going to try yours. 30012 right?
04:41 Vazon yes
04:43 BrandonReese Is your map leveldb, Vazon?
04:43 Vazon Brandon all 3 servers are set up the exact same
04:44 Vazon be sides mods and private customes
04:44 BrandonReese Ok, last I heard OldCoder said he hadn't converted mine to leveldb yet, but that was last week
04:44 asl he converted it yesterday
04:44 BrandonReese thanks asl, you're more on top of it than I am
04:45 Piggybear87 I'm at like 90% and it's not wanting to load the rest of the way. GAH! I just want to play!
04:46 Vazon Piggy
04:47 OldCoder You
04:47 OldCoder BrandonReese, you are converted
04:47 Vazon on my server forum my Moderator prepared a cache file, its alrady loaded into my server replace that with yours and it should work
04:47 BrandonReese thanks
04:54 asl try joing landrush now piggybear
04:58 Piggybear87 I think my machine as some sort of problem (other than age)...
04:58 Piggybear87 After a few minutes I start lagging horribly and if I don't exit Minetest right away it locks the whole machine up...
04:58 Vazon do you lag on mine besides at spawn?
04:59 Piggybear87 I guess I just cannot play until I get a new computer...
04:59 asl it's the lack of ram
04:59 Piggybear87 No, until my machine does this crap.
04:59 Vazon Piggy run a anti virus
04:59 Piggybear87 Vazon, The spawn isn't really lag, it's low FPS.
04:59 Vazon ok
04:59 Piggybear87 Also, I have Linux. I can't get a virus. :0
05:00 Piggybear87 :) *
05:00 asl mine is running at 15 fps, sometimes as low as 8
05:01 Piggybear87 On servers (besides where there's lots of lights) I get ~40FPS. But then the computer lag (actual lag, not low FPS) sets in and I have to exit right away or risk computer lockup.
05:03 asl run `top` along side with minetest, it should show minetest using up more and more memory until it start to lag then lockup
05:04 asl it's a memory leak problem i been dealing with too, just need to restart minetest every few mins
05:04 asl but you got less than a gb of ram iirc, so it happen sooner on yours
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05:13 Vazon Piggybear what all are is running while you run Minetest?
05:16 kaeza greetings
05:23 Eater4 greetings
05:24 * VanessaE randomly pokes kaeza :)
05:24 VanessaE greetz
05:24 kaeza ow
05:25 kaeza VanessaE, https://gist.github.com/kaeza/9cb5a3fcb85e9366e6eb
05:26 kaeza (for anyone else interested too, of course)
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05:29 jin_xi so i wonder about the particles code... yesterday i tried using an irrlicht particle source in mt
05:29 jin_xi looks kinda very doable
05:29 VanessaE kaeza: what's this?
05:30 jin_xi also the present particles in mt have some very wtf code
05:30 VanessaE jin_xi: oh?
05:32 kaeza VanessaE, scan the list of registered users and list who is administrator (server priv), or "moderator" (ban, kick, privs, or basic_privs privs)
05:32 jin_xi http://youtu.be/30cGjxeRWao  video here, this is literally just copypaste some irrlicht example into particles.cpp for now...
05:32 kaeza (also with support for irc mod)
05:33 jin_xi anyways, gotta go
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05:34 kaeza jin_xi, looks nice
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05:42 VanessaE kaeza: interesting
05:43 VanessaE stick that in with your "misc" mods
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06:04 Vazon Hi LazyJ
06:09 Piggybear87 OK, using top (on Vazon's server, thank you again BTW), I found out that Walking uses more CPU than flying. My flying peaked at 140% CPU and 74% RAM, but I didn't lag. Walking, I used about the same peak CPU and no more RAM at all. The difference between walking and flying is average. Flying ~50% Walking ~80%. I didn't start to lag out until my mouse freaked out and spun me around really fast and I hanged for a bit. BUT it used no more CPU or RAM.
06:09 Piggybear87 .. I don't know what the hell is wrond with this thing...
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06:10 LazyJ Howdy, Vazon ;)
06:11 Piggybear87 And asl, The only things I have open while playing is Terminal (required), and HexChat. This time I had 2 Terminals open to use top.
06:12 Piggybear87 Sorry asl, I thought you said that, it was Vazon.
06:14 Piggybear87 So... TL;DR I never max out my RAM usage, but go over 100% of CPU. Lagging out happens only when mouse freaks out (I cannot replicate it otherwise).
06:15 Piggybear87 Hopefully someone smart sees this and give me some input on how to not lag out.
06:15 Piggybear87 Good night all.
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06:22 Zeno` Hi all. Is the blockman here?
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07:50 sfan5 meow
07:50 sfan5 hi everyone
07:50 Calinou hi sfan5
07:56 Zeno` in default/flowers.lua, can anyway tell me why 1 is added to divs and the only place divs is used 1 is subtracted from it?
07:56 Zeno` /default/flowers/mapgen.lua*
08:01 Zeno` anyway, I guess that's not important.  I'm more interested in getting rid of the multiplications and the floor()s in the inner loop
08:02 Calinou yay! found a way to make mobs swim in water
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08:04 TenPlus1 Hi folks...
08:04 TenPlus1 VanessaE , you alive ?
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08:09 Zeno` maybe optimising the Lua isn't worth it
08:09 * Zeno` profiles
08:10 TenPlus1 depends what you hope to gain from the optimising zeno
08:11 Zeno` That's why I'm now profiling. I guess that all those calculations (which are not necessary inside the Lua loop just bug me
08:12 TenPlus1 what mod you tweaking ??
08:15 Zeno` minetest/games/minetest_ga​me/mods/flowers/mapgen.lua
08:17 TenPlus1 ahh, the default mods...
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08:17 Zeno` I suppose multiplication on modern archs is not much slower than addition but math.floor()...
08:18 Zeno` called n^2 (*4) times
08:18 TenPlus1 I did away with that completely and am using v7 mapgen decoration to place flowers instead, it's a lot quicker
08:18 Zeno` yeah that's why I'm wondering if it's even worth worrying about. Maybe I should transition to v7 mg instead and focus my efforts there
08:19 Zeno` yeah... that's decided. Thanks hehe :)
08:19 Zeno` did you happen to notice that 10+1=11 works in binary as well as decimal?
08:19 TenPlus1 :P
08:20 Calinou added ability to heal sheeps using wheat
08:21 TenPlus1 nice, how many wheat do you feed them to bring back wool ?
08:21 Calinou 8 to regrow wool. one wheat gives 3 HP (they have 15 when spawning)
08:21 VanessaE oops.
08:21 VanessaE TenPlus1: yeah I'm here
08:22 VanessaE sorta.
08:22 TenPlus1 lol, just woke up ?
08:22 Calinou there's overheal prevention
08:22 TenPlus1 could maybe use the same code with cows to regenerate milk production...
08:25 Calinou “Mobs now float in water, most mobs don't take damage in water now, added the ability to heal sheeps using wheat (3 HP per wheat), made sheeps more resistant to punching.”
08:26 TenPlus1 do they run away if you punch them ?
08:26 Calinou no
08:28 TenPlus1 would be a nice feature for peaceful mobs to up and run in opposite direction of attacker
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08:32 TenPlus1 also maybe if a harmful mod is walking about and you hit them, they instantly go into attack mode
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08:37 TenPlus1 hrm, the chicken mob looks funny... the texture skin doesnt sit right on it anymore ?!?!
08:39 OldCoder Would anybody like to test a nice new Windows client in a while? Curl, sound support, preloaded cache, fast
08:51 VanessaE kaeza: *poke*
08:51 VanessaE [06-10 04:40] <VanessaE> note to self:  bug kaeza to make a version of the sign that hangs from a set of chains.
08:51 VanessaE [06-10 04:54] <VanessaE> second note to self:  bug kaeza to add a "rack server" to the computers mod.
08:52 TenPlus1 lol
09:02 TenPlus1 bye folks...
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09:18 * kaeza notes on TODO.txt
09:19 kaeza $ du TODO.txt # Inf  TODO.txt
09:21 VanessaE lol
09:21 OldCoder kaeza, I crosscompiled for Windows. CMakeCache shows curl found. But runtime shows curl=0. Is there a runtime setting to use?
09:21 OldCoder * crosscompiled client
09:22 kaeza OldCoder, supposedly, it's enabled upon finding curl
09:23 kaeza try with -DUSE_CURL=1
09:23 OldCoder Point is
09:23 OldCoder I *did* that and the CMakeCache says it found it
09:23 OldCoder Definitely built with Curl
09:23 OldCoder I statically linked
09:23 OldCoder So no DLL should be needed
09:23 OldCoder But at runtime it says USE_CURL=0
09:23 OldCoder Hm
09:24 kaeza can you post a link to the zip?
09:24 OldCoder Is this for server mode?
09:24 OldCoder Coming up shortly then
09:24 OldCoder I have not uploaded it
09:24 OldCoder Just testing now
09:25 kaeza curl is only client side IIRC
09:25 sfan5 kaeza: how would the server announce to the list w/o curl?
09:26 OldCoder Hang on
09:26 kaeza oh derp, that too
09:26 * kaeza CURLs up on sfan5's lap
09:26 kaeza </badpun>
09:27 OldCoder http://oldcoder.org/cmakecache.txt
09:27 OldCoder First, this sfan5 kaeza ^
09:27 OldCoder Note that curl is found except DLL
09:27 OldCoder which prevents CPACK target from working
09:27 OldCoder But curl itself is linked into the EXE; or should be
09:27 OldCoder As LIBRARY is set and so is curl per se enabled
09:28 * sfan5 curls up to kaeza's lap
09:28 OldCoder Do you see anything wrong here or should I upload the client itself?
09:28 kaeza I see >ENABLE_CURL:BOOL=1
09:28 OldCoder Yes
09:28 OldCoder So why does USE_CURL=0 at runtime?
09:29 OldCoder http://oldcoder.org/minetest-140610a.zip
09:29 OldCoder kaeza, sfan5 there is the new Windows client
09:29 OldCoder including part of a preloaded cache
09:30 OldCoder enable_remote_media_server = true
09:30 OldCoder Is that client or server side?
09:32 OldCoder VanessaE, ?
09:32 VanessaE that I don't remember, but I *think* that's client-side.
09:32 OldCoder I set that
09:32 OldCoder USE_CURL=0 still
09:32 VanessaE it's enabled by default anyway
09:32 OldCoder If ENABLE_CURL:BOOL=1 is shown in the CMakeCache
09:33 VanessaE maybe cURL can't be compiled statically?
09:33 OldCoder why does the program itself report USE_CURL=0 ?
09:33 VanessaE (or minetest can't actually use it as such)
09:33 OldCoder It works under Linux
09:33 OldCoder and there were no link errors
09:33 OldCoder Good theory though
09:33 VanessaE when cross-compiling, then?
09:33 OldCoder Good theory also
09:33 OldCoder But the question is
09:33 OldCoder When is USE_CURL *supposed* to be 0?
09:33 OldCoder What is it checking?
09:34 VanessaE ordinarily if it's compiled-in at all, but I've never tried to statically-link that stuff, so I dunno.
09:34 OldCoder VanessaE, ty
09:34 OldCoder I will review further
09:34 VanessaE let alone do so in a cross-dev environment
09:35 VanessaE in linux of course, if you compile it in and then remove the lib from the system, the program depending on it will crash outright before it even starts
09:35 OldCoder Is there both an ENABLE_CURL and a USE_CURL variable?
09:35 VanessaE (in the case of shared libs)
09:35 VanessaE I'm not sure.
09:35 OldCoder Might be it
09:35 OldCoder Rebuilding
09:36 OldCoder I promised Vazon I'd make a new client
09:36 OldCoder with preloaded cache
09:36 OldCoder So that everybody could play fast
09:36 VanessaE include Dreambuilder's media in that cache ;)
09:36 OldCoder Where is it?
09:36 VanessaE most of this:  http://minetest.digitalaudioconce​pts.com/creative-survival-media/
09:36 OldCoder What world is it on?
09:37 OldCoder To load the cache
09:37 OldCoder I think I need to visit the world
09:37 VanessaE my Creative world, digitalaudioconcepts.com 30000
09:37 OldCoder OR
09:37 OldCoder VanessaE, if I use sfan5 script to generate the hash links
09:38 OldCoder Are those exactly the names and formats to use for the cache?
09:38 VanessaE or you can download Dreambuilder Game, https://forum.minetest.net/v​iewtopic.php?f=15&amp;t=9196
09:38 OldCoder VanessaE, if I use sfan5 script to generate the hash links
09:38 OldCoder Are those exactly the names and formats to use for the cache?
09:38 OldCoder In which case this is easy
09:38 VanessaE I don't know, but I would assume so?
09:38 OldCoder Can do
09:39 VanessaE (be warned, Dreambuilder adds a LOT of media)
09:39 kaeza DB adds ALL the media!
09:39 * kaeza hides
09:39 OldCoder sfan5, ^
09:39 VanessaE hah!
09:39 OldCoder Is this right; to make a nice cache
09:40 OldCoder Do I just run your script?
09:40 OldCoder Speak!
09:40 VanessaE kaeza: add _ALL_ the media? o~o
09:40 kaeza :P
09:40 OldCoder kaeza, see questions above: USE_CURL separate variable from ENABLE_CURL? And just use sfan5 script to make a cache?
09:42 kaeza OldCoder, should be, but not sure
09:42 OldCoder Damn. USE_CURL *still* says zero
09:42 OldCoder I set it at cmake time
09:42 OldCoder kaeza, wish to try the client?
09:42 OldCoder Link is above
09:43 kaeza I'm trying it right now
09:43 OldCoder USE_CURL:UNINITIALIZED=1
09:43 OldCoder I have that now in CMakeCache
09:43 kaeza public server list is inaccessible, so I guess CURL is indeed not working
09:43 kaeza hmm
09:44 OldCoder But it linked and CMakeCache shows detected
09:44 OldCoder I think
09:44 kaeza rm bin/minetest; make -v # and see if it indeed links cURL in
09:44 OldCoder Hang on
09:44 OldCoder Looking at the cmake files
09:45 kaeza or ask someone who knows more about those parts of the code :P
09:45 OldCoder kaeza, working on it
09:46 OldCoder I bet it's the missing DLL
09:46 OldCoder even though it is not needed
09:46 OldCoder checking
09:47 sfan5 OldCoder: yes
09:47 OldCoder sfan5, t y!
09:49 OldCoder sfan5, so I just take my current media folder except legacy symlinks and presto cache
09:50 iqualfragile kaeza: never saw a bug report about adding those licences
09:50 OldCoder VanessaE, there shall be Dreambuilder Media
09:50 VanessaE sweet
09:51 OldCoder Proceeding now
09:51 OldCoder to make supercache
09:53 OldCoder Oh this will be big
09:57 iqualfragile are there some licenses you miss on mmdb?
09:58 iqualfragile i am about to add some and would like do as many in one rush as possible
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09:59 jp__ New York City, in progress (15%) :   http://i.imgur.com/cRCPEk4.jpg     http://i.imgur.com/5KG9jQh.jpg
10:00 VanessaE very nice, jp__
10:00 jp__ Thanks :)
10:00 kaeza all my mods are either WTFPL or BSD (2 clause) licensed; selecting either WTFPL or [L]GPL
10:00 VanessaE iqualfragile: got GFDL in there?
10:00 kaeza +for those would be wrong
10:00 iqualfragile VanessaE: what is gfdl?
10:00 VanessaE (by some weird chain of events, HDX ended up under that license, who knows what else might be also)
10:00 VanessaE GNU Free Documentation License
10:00 VanessaE http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G​NU_Free_Documentation_License
10:00 iqualfragile kaeza: currently i would add MIT, BSD 2 and 3 clause
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10:01 iqualfragile ah, ok, i can add that, too
10:01 VanessaE jp__: when you get to Central Park West, are you gonna do that building from Ghostbusters as it appeared in the movie, or as it appears in reality? :)
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10:03 jp__ VanessaE : I don't remember this movie :/
10:03 jp__ But I will do my best ;)
10:03 VanessaE jp__: 55 central park west.  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/55_Central_Park_West
10:03 iqualfragile VanessaE: according to https://forum.minetest.net/mmdb/tp/1/ its wtfpl, but that might be /slightly/ outdated
10:04 VanessaE iqualfragile: unofficially yeah
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10:04 VanessaE because there wasn't a more appropriate license to choose
10:04 VanessaE also fix the damn gallery already
10:05 jp__ Ah yes, my map is quite like to Central Parl, but it was unintentional...
10:06 VanessaE heh
10:06 VanessaE well now that you know of the building, you HAVE to include it ;)
10:07 VanessaE it's a key fixture of New York, sorta like the Empire State Building or the Statue of Liberty
10:08 iqualfragile ok, added these 4, should be done shortly
10:12 VanessaE iqualfragile: btw, that version of HDX that's there is outdated
10:12 VanessaE you may wanna pull the latest release from my usual place
10:13 iqualfragile well, guess you got to update it
10:13 Jordach protip: never wget -r http://minetest.digitalaudioconcepts.com
10:14 VanessaE lol
10:14 VanessaE there's a LOT of crap there :)
10:14 * Jordach just might have fixed the jukeboxes
10:15 jin_xi smash moar keys
10:15 OldCoder Whoa
10:15 OldCoder VanessaE, the cache will be 82MB
10:15 OldCoder !
10:16 VanessaE wow
10:16 OldCoder Should I really release this?
10:16 OldCoder Do you truly wish all of Dreambacon included?
10:16 VanessaE well only about half of that is dreambuilder
10:16 VanessaE it's up to you of course
10:16 OldCoder Will people download it?
10:16 OldCoder It *will* load games faster
10:16 VanessaE I can't say if they'll download it or not
10:17 OldCoder Are there any major chunks I could drop?
10:17 VanessaE I've got no reliable figures on who actually uses it unfortunately
10:17 VanessaE I do know my two dreambuilder-based servers don't get a lot of use though
10:17 VanessaE because they use client-side features that are very low performance
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10:22 jp__ VanessaE : I will import Empire State Building and Statue of Liberty ;)
10:23 VanessaE don't forget 504 Battery Park Drive.
10:23 jp__ I just imported 9 buildings, still 40 others and roads to finish...
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10:30 w_laenger hi
10:30 OldCoder hi back
10:33 w_laenger yesterday kaeze wrote "you are able to store sounds into minetest/sounds/ and the server can tell the client to play them"
10:34 w_laenger I didn't find out yet how it works.
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10:38 raffahacks hi there!
10:38 w_laenger hi
10:40 w_laenger soundpacks don't seem to work
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11:15 jp__ When you have a ladder in horizontal position, there is a command with WorldEdit to replace it in the correct position ?
11:16 jp__ Each node of ladder is in horizontal pos.
11:16 jp__ But they are aligned vertically.
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11:41 celeron55 http://www.gamasutra.com/view/feature/​194125/variants_the_challenge_of_.php
11:52 w_laenger jp__, you would need to change param2. it could work with //lua
11:52 jp__ Hmm... I will see that.
11:54 w_laenger I don't know exactly but I think it knows pos1 and pos2
11:57 w_laenger //lua for z = pos1.z, pos2.z do for y = pos1.y, pos2.y do for x = pos1.x, pos2.x do local p = {x=x,y=y,z=z}if minetest.get_node(p).name == "default:ladder" then minetest.set_node(p, {name="default:ladder", param2=2}) end end end end
11:57 w_laenger this might work
11:57 jp__ Amen.
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12:04 w_laenger does anyone know a terasology server?
12:08 w_laenger bye
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12:32 Megaf Morning/Afternoon
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13:04 jp__ New York City (35% done) : http://i.imgur.com/153qe7S.jpg
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13:17 Megaf ^ sfan5
13:17 Megaf That Cube thing
13:17 sfan5 yeah?
13:18 Megaf I do all that does with my Raspberry Pi
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13:18 Megaf sfan5: And actually I'm looking forward to get a Banana Pi, do you know the Banana Pi?
13:18 sfan5 ofc
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13:20 * sfan5 doesn't care
13:21 * Jordach doesn't care either
13:21 * sfan5 meows at Jordach
13:21 * Jordach meows at sfan5
13:21 * sfan5 purrs
13:22 * sfan5 throws Touhou music at Jordach
13:22 * Jordach forgets that there is a mute windows key
13:22 * sfan5 flips Jordach
13:23 * Jordach flips sfan5
13:24 * sfan5 meows upside-down
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13:27 * sfan5 throws a 猫 at asie
13:28 Jordach does Lua support using array["string"]
13:28 * Jordach plans on fixing that fucking jukebox bug once and for all
13:29 * sfan5 flies to Jordach
13:29 Jordach let two people play the same disc, then let the first person punch their jukebox
13:30 Jordach it'll stop the second player's track
13:30 Megaf Jordach: sfan5 just showed me this https://www.destroyallsoftware.com/talks/wat
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13:34 jp__ Jordach : you think it's possible to externalize a music flow (like a radio band) with your jukebox ? I saw that on MC.
13:34 Jordach jp__, i can in theory use cURL to grab a piece of streaming media
13:35 jp__ Great !
13:35 Jordach however, it will not start said game until the audio memory or buffer fills
13:35 RealBadAngel jordach, you can just use external app to stream to ogg
13:35 RealBadAngel and play that ogg in game
13:35 Jordach so if you've got a 1gb of audio memory; gg
13:42 Jordach !up jordach.minetest.net
13:42 MinetestBot jordach.minetest.net:30000 is up (2206ms)
13:42 * sfan5 meows at Jordach
13:43 Jordach i have something that needs testing
13:44 * sfan5 is connecting
13:48 celeron55 umm... i don't think it's possible to stream anything in minetest
13:48 celeron55 at least there is zero official support for such
13:48 jp__ 'irc' mod, is a sort of text-streaming, no ?
13:49 celeron55 streaming text works, as an exception :P
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13:50 celeron55 and, well, if you'd stream world content, that would work too in a way (it might not technically be what you'd imagine)
13:50 jp__ just some more data for the radio ;)
13:50 Jordach celeron55, there's a quick effective method grapically that can make minetest look a bit better (hint: actually make nodes not the same shading on all the faces, as well as wielditems and entities)
13:51 * sfan5 throws a text edit and the minetest source at Jordach
13:54 FreeFull Jordach: How difficult would it be to implement?
13:56 Jordach FreeFull, not much
13:56 Jordach brightness per side would only have to vary
13:56 Jordach (like a few levels of light)
13:57 FreeFull Would it vary depending on the light sources though?
13:58 Jordach FreeFull, instead of being fixed, it has a fixed amount of lighting by default which gets added / removed by outside light
13:59 FreeFull You already have the block be shaded differently depending on the light
13:59 Jordach FreeFull, it isn't
13:59 Jordach https://cdn.mediacru.sh/uUimlVMRTJM3.png
13:59 Jordach look at the flowers
13:59 Jordach and then the jukebox
13:59 FreeFull Ah, flowers aren't blocks
13:59 Jordach notice that currently, the sides are still the same colour]
14:00 FreeFull I suppose it's to do with how sky light works then
14:00 Hirato the lighting system should probably be improved a lot before such things are considered
14:00 FreeFull Maybe you could even make it dynamic, and depend on the sun's position
14:00 Hirato pretty sure there is some coarse directional shading for the time of day
14:01 FreeFull I'm pretty sure there isn't, and all light comes from straight above
14:01 Jordach it does
14:01 Jordach and i can really prove our default textures don't suck
14:03 celeron55 with shaders it would be fairly easy to make every nodebox thing to have different shading on each side, according to where the sun is, even so that in caves the different side brightness wouldn't turn along with the sun
14:03 * sfan5 looks at RealBadAngel
14:03 celeron55 when shaders are disabled the sun-dynamic thing isn't that easy
14:04 Hirato there comes a point where people using crummy netbooks that can't run OpenGL 2.0 at decent speeds just need to get left behind
14:04 celeron55 yes, altough it's hard to choose when
14:04 Hirato and miss out on all the neaat additions
14:04 celeron55 but i mean, what i just said is prefectly doable right now
14:04 celeron55 it doesn't break gameplay between shader and non-shader users
14:05 celeron55 unlike some other things
14:06 celeron55 minetest currently gets a lot of love from people with crappy computers and high-end users are likely to go for commercial games anyway because we can't compete in looks with them no matter what we do
14:06 celeron55 so as of now it doesn't make sense to drop low-end users
14:06 sfan5 how about different shader settings?
14:06 RealBadAngel we dont have to drop any group of users
14:06 sfan5 {None|Basic|High-end}
14:06 Jordach [15:06:03] <celeron55> minetest currently gets a lot of love from people with crappy computers and high-end users are likely to go for commercial games anyway because we can't compete in looks with them no matter what we do
14:07 Jordach BULLSHIT
14:07 Jordach i'm fucking calling this one
14:07 sfan5 Jordach: the part after the "and" or before?
14:07 Hirato you can, but you'd have to approach it from a stylistic standpoint more so than a EVERYTHING IS SO GRIMDARK AND GRITTY THE MODELS HAVE ACTUAL GRIT thing the industry is doing en mass
14:07 * sfan5 meows at Hirato
14:08 celeron55 that requires that we have an actual style
14:08 Hirato hi sfan ^^
14:09 celeron55 and not just some random effects here and there
14:10 Jordach celeron55, toying with the Minetest+ textures - plus an engine with shaders, produces this: https://cdn.mediacru.sh/ga3C0FsQqwF0.png
14:10 RealBadAngel what i code and plan for shaders is not random at all
14:10 Hirato nice sky
14:11 Jordach notice that shading makes IT BETTER
14:11 Hirato nice, proper shadows
14:11 celeron55 that kind of thing gets boring fast
14:11 Hirato not even the triple A+++ guys get that right
14:12 celeron55 but i'm not against having the option
14:12 Hirato ;)
14:12 Jordach Hirato, i strained the fuck out of my APU for that
14:12 celeron55 i'm not the one to code it though
14:12 * sfan5 looks at RealBadAngel again
14:12 Hirato Jordach: I bet you actually made the level by hand in tesseract :M
14:13 jp__ Jordach : where I can download your engine, plz ?
14:13 celeron55 Jordach: what kind of rendering that uses though?
14:13 Jordach celeron55, OpenGL
14:13 celeron55 what FPS
14:13 Jordach 5
14:13 celeron55 lol
14:13 Hirato lol
14:14 Jordach (an APU is underclocked compared to the actual Radeon 8xxx)
14:14 Hirato what engine?
14:14 Hirato did you make it in tess? or something else?
14:15 RealBadAngel you guys should just try minecraft sonic's glsl shaders or Terasology
14:15 RealBadAngel not some blender or similar app renders
14:16 Jordach raytracing > GLSL
14:16 Hirato UNLIMITED MINING DETAIL
14:16 sfan5 <RealBadAngel> you guys should just try minecraft sonic's glsl shaders or Terasology
14:16 * sfan5 did try both
14:17 RealBadAngel and?
14:17 sfan5 looks nice (ofc)
14:17 sfan5 s/nice/awesome/
14:20 RealBadAngel that means it can be done also here
14:20 RealBadAngel by simple folks, not some companies as c55 suggested
14:21 Hirato have you seen the output of these big companies? it's pathetic :P
14:21 celeron55 progress so far is very slow as far as i have seen
14:21 Jordach watch_dogs didn't even look good
14:21 Jordach (they prerendered shit at E3)
14:21 celeron55 and yes, i follow the videogame industry, the dark crap they make is ridiculous
14:21 RealBadAngel ofc it is slow, i do work IRL, i dont have as much time for coding i would like to
14:22 Jordach TIL Quassel's webpage preview has JS
14:22 Hirato it's more than I'm still angry at fallout 3, haha
14:23 Hirato god that game was ugly...
14:23 RealBadAngel but things will speed up with upcoming patches
14:24 Hirato only one thing to do RealBadAngel
14:24 Hirato https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/krita/krit​a-open-source-digital-painting-accelerate-deve follow krita's footsteps :D
14:26 sfan5 I need someone
14:26 sfan5 right now
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14:31 * kaeza hugs sfan5
14:31 * sfan5 meows
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14:33 jp__ You're obsessed by cats or what ?
14:34 sfan5 actually I need someone with an audio supporting opus audio and http streaming to test something
14:34 Hirato I bet sfan5 made this http://i.imgur.com/ZkxYW9x.jpg
14:35 sfan5 uh, no
14:36 sfan5 Hirato: but that is a good idea
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14:37 celeron55 sfan5: that sentence made zero sense
14:37 sfan5 yes it does
14:37 Jordach > Uploading 62% 11 minutes remaining.
14:37 Hirato it doesn't because you missed a few words
14:37 Jordach fuck 300kbps up
14:37 sfan5 audio player*
14:38 Hirato link us I guess?
14:38 Hirato I'm sure vlc is set up for it :troll:
14:38 sfan5 http://sfan5.duckdns.org:8090/music.mka
14:38 sfan5 but I only have about 25 KB/s bandwidth
14:39 sfan5 no wait, I have more, transmission did not warm up yetg
14:39 sfan5 -g
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14:39 Hirato it can detect something, but it says the audio codec is undf...
14:39 sfan5 :-/
14:40 Hirato lol
14:40 Hirato ffplay gives me the bad apple song
14:40 nman3600 Hello fellow.... Humans and cats. Possible other creatures of the universe
14:40 sfan5 Hirato: then it worked
14:40 sfan5 Hirato: does it stutter?
14:41 Hirato not noticing any
14:41 sfan5 \o/
14:41 sfan5 hooray
14:41 sfan5 is the quality ok?
14:41 Hirato varies, some parts are okay, some are horribly distorted
14:41 sfan5 :-/
14:41 sfan5 what does ffplay say about the bitrate it gets?
14:41 sfan5 should be 200
14:42 * Hirato shrugs
14:42 Hirato he value is N/A
14:42 sfan5 :-/
14:42 Jordach he value
14:42 Jordach HE VALUE
14:42 * Hirato slaps Jordach
14:42 jin_xi yours must be low
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14:43 Hirato there's also a 'aq=' thing on the bottom, it was jumping between 0 and 1 whilst the stream was playing
14:43 Hirato as in, 0 and 1 KB
14:43 sfan5 Hirato: do you have mplayer or mpv, try these?
14:43 sfan5 s/?//
14:44 Hirato oh right I forget about those, haha
14:44 Hirato it's jsut silence at the moment anyway
14:44 Hirato AUDIO: 48000 Hz, 2 ch, s16le, 0.0 kbit/0.00% (ratio: 0->192000)
14:44 Hirato Selected audio codec: [fflibopus] afm: ffmpeg (FFmpeg libopus)
14:44 sfan5 reconnect
14:44 Hirato haha
14:45 Hirato I don't recognise this song
14:45 sfan5 Metadata:
14:45 sfan5 ARTIST          : Misato
14:45 sfan5 TITLE           : Eighteen Four⁄明治十七年の上海アリス
14:45 sfan5 ALBUM           : EXSERENS - A selection of Alstroemeria Records
14:45 celeron55 hmm, surprisingly few things support opus
14:45 Hirato it's pretty new
14:45 celeron55 mpv on my laptop at home probably does, but i'm not there right now 8)
14:46 sfan5 and pretty awesome
14:46 Hirato anything using gstreamer or ffmpeg should though
14:46 celeron55 i do know opus
14:46 sfan5 no
14:46 celeron55 i tried using gstreamer on my sailfish phone
14:46 sfan5 if you do not compile ffmpeg with libopus it won't even do decoding
14:46 celeron55 doesn't have opus at least by default
14:46 Hirato but it works just fine here? :P
14:46 * nman3600 is sad :(
14:47 Hirato as you can see there, mplayer is doing it via ffmpeg
14:47 sfan5 Hirato: that is because your ffmpeg was compiled with libopus
14:47 Hirato mpv isn't giving me a rate either
14:47 sfan5 for me too
14:47 Jordach celeron55, nothing like a homegrown os, is there?
14:47 sfan5 well
14:48 sfan5 it should be 200 KB/s
14:48 Hirato oh, I have an idea!
14:48 sfan5 no, wrong
14:48 celeron55 Jordach: it's pretty good
14:48 sfan5 it should be 200 Kb/s (= 25 KB/s)
14:48 Jordach celeron55, wasn't it Meego -> Sailfish
14:48 Hirato let me just kill my web browser...
14:48 Hirato go, I'm monitoring my internet traffic
14:49 Hirato I'm receiving a constant 200kbit/s and up
14:49 sfan5 so it is working
14:49 Hirato some of it is IRC overhead
14:49 * nman3600 meows at sfan5
14:49 * sfan5 meows at nman3600
14:50 Jordach phew
14:50 Jordach accidentially hit standby
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14:50 OldCoder Transfer MT media via ffserver? No; needs to be lossless
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14:51 Jordach celeron55, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VRJ082cM1DQ
14:51 Rhy5 Hi guys :)
14:51 Hirato now it's breaking up
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14:51 Jordach >We detected your video may be shaky. Would you like us to stabilise it?
14:51 Jordach ROFL
14:52 sfan5 OldCoder: I'm just doing a general test of how good audio streaming (w/ opus codec) works on my connection with spare upload bandwith
14:52 OldCoder kk
14:52 celeron55 Jordach: i love that feature; it even suggested it for me for some Soilnar video 8)
14:52 sfan5 lolwut
14:52 sfan5 !tw https://twitter.com/catbrainl​and/status/476365139890155520
14:52 MinetestBot #TorCoin Proof of Bandwidth (#PoB) design paper http://dedis.cs.yale.edu/dissen​t/papers/hotpets14-torpath.pdf (@catbrainland)
14:52 Hirato it suggested it for some of my FPs gameplay recordings, haha
14:53 Hirato it's supposed to be far higher quality than vorbis
14:53 nman3600 Rhy5 HELLO
14:53 Rhy5 nman!
14:53 Hirato judging by the quality of what's coming through, I don't think you need nearly 128kbit/s to preserve the audio you do have :P
14:56 sfan5 Hirato: opus default is 96kbit
14:56 Hirato I meant to say 200kbit/s anyway, haha
14:56 Hirato but 128 should be plenty, with some to spare for tricky audio
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14:57 sfan5 in case anyone cares: that stream should now play the whole "Touhou - EXSERENS" album
14:57 Hirato needs some fairies
14:58 * sfan5 meows
14:58 Hirato https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F7vBv7gP5hk \o/
14:58 Hirato now I want to play this game again
14:59 sfan5 :(
15:00 sfan5 why won't it play in VLC for iOS?
15:00 Hirato didnt't play in VLC here either
15:00 Hirato to be fair, their matroska support needs lots of work
15:02 Hirato I guess they don't support opus
15:02 sfan5 IIRC vlc for ios does
15:02 sfan5 hm
15:02 sfan5 it does not play the second file
15:03 Hirato lol...
15:04 Hirato opusenc can't read this vorbis file :/
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15:07 Hirato weird, VLC supports opus just fine
15:07 Hirato guess their matroska support is just dodgy
15:09 sfan5 yeah
15:09 kaeza yay hexchat 2.10 :3
15:10 kaeza broke all my conf
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15:11 Hirato VLC media player 2.1.4 Rincewind (revision 2.1.4-0-g2a072be)
15:11 Hirato [0x7fd180c03d78] mkv demux error: unknown codec id=`A_OPUS'
15:11 * Hirato shrugs
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15:12 sfan5 Hirato: can you try connecting again, I made some adjustments
15:12 Hirato just seeing what opus files report as the codec
15:13 Calinou Jordach, https://forum.minetest.net/v​iewtopic.php?f=17&amp;t=9483 → Apple and Microsoft already pay lots of royalties
15:13 Calinou hi
15:13 Hirato just weird ass VLC logic I guess
15:14 Calinou it's also the most universal player
15:15 Hirato sfan5: VLC doesn't like the A_OPUS
15:15 Hirato doesn't recognise it as it should
15:15 sfan5 :(
15:16 Hirato I get the feeling they broke it so that 'undf' doesn't do a bruteforce check any more
15:16 Hirato maybe
15:16 sfan5 try filing a bug
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15:23 Jordach Calinou, i stopped giving a fuck about certain industries
15:23 * sfan5 throws a FOSS OS at Jordach
15:24 Calinou that's not unreasonable
15:25 * asie throws his own distro at sfan5
15:25 * sfan5 purrs at asie and eats the transmission medium
15:26 * Calinou gives transmission-gtk to sfan5
15:26 * sfan5 already has transmission-gtk installed
15:26 Calinou I use mine once a year or so
15:27 sfan5 I use transmission on my raspi
15:27 sfan5 more lightweight than deluge
15:30 Piggybear87 OK, smart people. This is what I said before I got off last night. I'm posting again to see if anyoen has ideas. http://pastebin.com/spz14Jmr
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15:35 Piggybear87 Howdy OldCoder. I heard you were making a client with media pre-loaded. How is that going?
15:35 OldCoder Piggybear87, been working on it for about 12 hours except sleep
15:36 OldCoder Might actually fly soon
15:36 OldCoder Had a lot of trouble linking with curl
15:36 OldCoder I think that is almost fixed
15:36 OldCoder It will be a LARGE download
15:36 OldCoder Maybe 80MB
15:36 OldCoder But should load worlds faster
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15:37 Piggybear87 So, it will take a while, who cares? What all media are you adding? Just for certain servers, or are you including all mods also?
15:37 Piggybear87 Take a while to download*
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15:37 OldCoder I think I've got most mods
15:38 OldCoder I added Vanessa's DreamBuilder
15:38 OldCoder and every mod in my own worlds
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15:38 Piggybear87 So how exactly are you doing this? Just adding a large cache file or something?
15:39 OldCoder A large cache directory
15:39 OldCoder I've done this before
15:39 OldCoder I'm actually surprised it isn't standard
15:39 Piggybear87 Probably because of the large download.
15:40 OldCoder Tradeoff
15:40 OldCoder One download fast
15:40 OldCoder vs. slow waits repeatedly
15:40 OldCoder until several worlds are visited
15:40 spillz Hi all. That shaders video that Jordach posted earlier is pretty cool. but to be able to draw those shadows in real time you have to have all of the relevant blocks in memory,  which MT doesn't do a great job at atm. (More need for client side caching)
15:40 Hirato the matroska headers don't seen to care at all for codecs
15:41 realtinymonster Hirato: what makes you say that?
15:41 Piggybear87 I would rather an initial large (read:slow) download.
15:41 Hirato because I just looked through them all
15:41 realtinymonster ah
15:42 Hirato at least those Arch provides
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15:45 Hirato I find it funny how opus gained transaction and other things like apng just languished
15:45 Hirato to this day, only firefox does apng
15:47 celeron55 i don't understand why nobody is using mng, the original animated version of png and instead made a crappy version based on png
15:48 celeron55 and is there even a third one?
15:48 OldCoder GIF continues to rule :P
15:48 Hirato apng is basically gif; mng is far more complex
15:48 celeron55 but mng is complex for a reason
15:48 celeron55 gif is very limited
15:48 Hirato but at least mng actually gained traction and has basic tools
15:49 celeron55 but now the interwebs is moving towards webm
15:49 OldCoder Um; for inline little animations?
15:49 celeron55 which is actually gaining a huge amount of support fast
15:49 Hirato web developers are weird
15:50 realtinymonster yeah
15:50 * realtinymonster has no clue what the problem with apng is
15:50 celeron55 web browsers are huge programs, it's not like they don't have the resources to implement something like mng anyway
15:50 celeron55 (that's why more complexity is a stupid argument)
15:50 Hirato web browsers; the only operating more complete than emacs
15:50 Hirato **operating system
15:51 Jordach Hirato, you can argue Blender can be used as an operating sysmte
15:51 Jordach it has a text editor, picture viewer, MP3 playback
15:52 Jordach but no web-browsing
15:52 celeron55 you could just script a web browser in it if it has socket support
15:53 Hirato but then we'll crown the king of worst browser interfaces before HTML5 is fully adopted :p
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15:56 OldCoder It is ridiculously difficult to port Minetest to a new Windows cross-compile environment
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15:59 m5 Hello everyperson!
16:00 Jordach https://github.com/Jordach/jdukebox
16:00 Jordach got a modified BFD version running in MT+#
16:00 Jordach and fixed a nasty bug where two players using the same disc had a variable collision
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16:02 Jordach https://cdn.mediacru.sh/EVa40ttcSkQV.png (that should update; unless my terminal states otherwise)
16:03 realtinymonster anyone know what kind of file this is? https://www.dropbox.com/s/k7kuhbrigen1kpm/Font.bin
16:04 realtinymonster hi m5
16:07 m5 Binary file realtinymonster
16:08 OldCoder Piggybear87, media blinks in 5 seconds
16:08 Piggybear87 Nice.
16:08 realtinymonster m5, no way, how do I edit?
16:10 m5 realtinymonster, I have absolutely no idea
16:10 Piggybear87 !google how do I edit a .bin
16:10 Piggybear87 ? The google function was removed?
16:10 realtinymonster no
16:10 Jordach !g
16:10 MinetestBot Jordach: .g what?
16:10 realtinymonster its !
16:10 realtinymonster *!g
16:11 Piggybear87 Oh. Lol.
16:11 realtinymonster lol sfan5, it be broekn a tad
16:11 Piggybear87 !g how do I edit a .bin
16:11 MinetestBot Piggybear87: http://www.hhdsoftware.com/free-hex-editor
16:11 Piggybear87 There ya go!. Lol. :)
16:13 realtinymonster hehe
16:14 realtinymonster ollydbg is many better
16:14 realtinymonster ^ Piggybear87
16:14 Piggybear87 I have no need to open .bin's.
16:15 realtinymonster you can open .exe and .smc and such
16:15 Piggybear87 I'm on Linux. I don't have .exe's Lol.
16:15 MinetestBot GIT: Lord89James commited to minetest/minetest: New feature: drop a item instead a stack while... 9675d9e9cb 2014-06-10T18:11:43+02:00 http://git.io/vHoHcw
16:17 realtinymonster Piggybear87: well good for you! then you can edit . files
16:17 realtinymonster :P
16:17 Piggybear87 I thought you were on Linux also?
16:17 realtinymonster Piggybear87: part of the time
16:18 realtinymonster I have all threee major OSes
16:18 Piggybear87 Oh, Well you can dump OSX Lol. I hate any and all Apple products.
16:19 realtinymonster I got Windows on this machine, Windows and Linux on another, and Mac OSX on another
16:19 Piggybear87 Brb.
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16:19 realtinymonster Piggybear87: same, but that is what I have
16:19 * realtinymonster shrugs
16:20 Vazon Hi guys
16:20 OldCoder Vazon, client ready very shortly
16:20 OldCoder It loads fast
16:20 Vazon ok
16:20 OldCoder Very very very fast :P
16:21 Vazon even on a server you have never been on ( cache for the world hasnt been loaded on you client)?
16:21 OldCoder Vazon, (1) I use curl (2) It has all the media from DreamBuilder included (2) I turn off preload visuals
16:21 OldCoder Zoom!
16:21 Jordach https://forum.minetest.net/v​iewtopic.php?f=9&amp;t=9485
16:21 Jordach well this is a first
16:21 OldCoder What is it?
16:22 Vazon great OldCoder :)
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16:23 nman3600 hi
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16:27 Piggybear87 half a bottle of 151 in a jug, 1 cup of Malibu Rum, Fill the rest of the jug with pineapple juice. Sound good? 10 internets to anyone that know what it is. :)
16:28 Piggybear87 Without googling, that is. Lol.
16:28 Jordach Caribou Lou
16:28 Piggybear87 You googled.
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16:28 Jordach Piggybear87, i'm often drinking
16:28 Jordach why'd you think i'm quiet at daytime
16:28 Piggybear87 Do you like tech n9ne?
16:28 Jordach bleh
16:29 Jordach cocktails aren't my specialty
16:29 nman3600 !rainbow rainbows
16:29 MinetestBot 4r4a4i7n7b7o8w8s
16:29 Jordach i'll take a whiskey
16:29 Piggybear87 Tech N9ne is a rapper that sing the song "Caribou Lou".
16:30 Piggybear87 I want to try it but I am broke. L:ol.
16:30 Piggybear87 Lol*
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16:30 Jordach it's only 5pm
16:30 Jordach fuck me
16:30 Jordach tonight's going to take an age to pass again
16:30 Piggybear87 4.5 hours ahead of me...
16:32 Piggybear87 Someone needs to update the wiki for minetest.register_node. I've been told that a few of those settings don't exist anymore.
16:34 OldCoder I think this release will call for a forum post
16:34 OldCoder I should see if I know my password
16:34 * Piggybear87 is bored. Ideas?
16:34 OldCoder Piggybear87, try my client
16:34 OldCoder in just a few minutes
16:34 Piggybear87 I'm going to.
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16:35 celeron55 Jordach: learn irrlicht and opengl
16:35 Jordach celeron55, i'd rather watch the Human Centipede 1 and 2 like a marathon thank you ;P
16:36 Jordach i'm not even joking
16:36 Jordach C++ is strange
16:36 celeron55 watching those is much less work
16:37 Jordach and then we have the age old problem of windows development
16:37 OldCoder Before I release, here are the changes. Suggest more if you like:
16:37 OldCoder * curl - Speeds things up
16:37 OldCoder * Disables runtime preload of visuals - Speeds things up
16:37 OldCoder * Disables shaders - Fixes visual glitches
16:37 OldCoder * More complete _game - Home Decor, Technic, etc.
16:37 OldCoder * Preloaded cache - Speeds things up
16:37 OldCoder * Sound - Not tested yet
16:37 OldCoder s/changes/features/
16:38 celeron55 doing anything fancy with opengl and especially when irrlicht is involved is a bit of a nightmare for sure though
16:38 * jin_xi is looking at irrlicht particles atm
16:38 OldCoder * No external DLLs added - less chance for breakage
16:38 Piggybear87 OldCoder, Why would we need _game if it's just a client?
16:38 celeron55 you need to understand C++ and matrix math at the same time, for instance 8)
16:39 jin_xi does anyone know why particles were implemented the way they are?
16:39 OldCoder Piggybear87, the client includes two games already. It is a server-client as most Windows releases are.
16:39 OldCoder Piggybear87, this is standard
16:39 celeron55 jin_xi: maybe ask the one who implemented them
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16:39 Piggybear87 Oh... It's for Windows?
16:39 jin_xi jeija is not around much anymore
16:39 OldCoder Piggybear87, Ah; you are Lubuntu :-( I will need to build for that
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16:39 OldCoder Piggybear87, I have tried and tried to make the game fast for you
16:39 celeron55 then the answer probably is: because random
16:40 OldCoder Piggybear87, I shall not give up but almost out of time for today; I've been on this in a sense for days
16:40 sfan5 <OldCoder> * Disables shaders - Fixes visual glitches
16:40 OldCoder sfan5, Yes
16:40 OldCoder Red screen
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16:40 Piggybear87 I know, and I appreciate that, I really do. I blame my crappy machine.
16:40 OldCoder MT doesn't work well with Irrlicht 1.8
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16:40 OldCoder Under Windows
16:40 sfan5 depends whether your graphics cards supports OpenGL well enough
16:40 OldCoder But for about 15% of players; red screen
16:40 BlockMen OldCoder, not true
16:40 sfan5 if your graphics card is good enough enabling shaders speeds things up
16:41 sfan5 <OldCoder> MT doesn't work well with Irrlicht 1.8
16:41 Calinou <Jordach> and then we have the age old problem of windows development
16:41 OldCoder BlockMen, s/not true/entirely true/
16:41 Calinou VirtualBox?
16:41 sfan5 it doesn't?
16:41 OldCoder It is a matter of definition
16:41 OldCoder This is based on reports
16:41 OldCoder from users
16:41 celeron55 there should be automatic detection of whether shaders work or not and they should get automatically disabled if so; that still isn't implemented
16:41 Jordach i once managed to compile minetest-classic
16:41 OldCoder ^^
16:41 OldCoder Good idea
16:41 Calinou <jin_xi> does anyone know why particles were implemented the way they are?
16:41 Calinou what's wrong with them?
16:41 Calinou (in before you're not understanding design decisions…)
16:41 Calinou <27OldCoder> But for about 15% of players; red screen
16:41 Calinou is that due to old graphics card?
16:42 sfan5 Calinou: particles are slow, we should use irrlichts particle system
16:42 Calinou try with a recent graphics card, supporting OpenGL 3.0 at least (not hard to find today)
16:42 Piggybear87 I don
16:42 OldCoder I don't know Calinou but it doesn't matter; 15% is too high
16:42 Calinou maybe 15% of people use old Intel IGPs on Windows
16:42 OldCoder Quite possible
16:42 celeron55 Calinou: the issue with particles is that they are very heavy
16:42 Piggybear87 t have a red screen on my machine, but my GF does. He machine is newer.
16:42 Calinou lots of people attempt playing the game on netbooks, thinking it's a lightweight game
16:42 BlockMen OldCoder, Irrlicht works fine with windows in general. but when ppl use hardware from the late 90s there can be problems
16:42 OldCoder Late 90s?
16:42 Calinou BlockMen, not necessarily from the late 90s.
16:42 OldCoder I suspect the issue runs newer than that
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16:43 OldCoder I have too many reports to the contrary
16:43 celeron55 i'd guess any slightly old laptop with intel graphics can have problems especially on windows
16:43 * BlockMen likes to exaggerate
16:43 celeron55 because outdated drivers and stuff
16:43 Calinou Intel drivers on Windows are passable
16:44 * Calinou maybe used a French word in English
16:44 Calinou it means, “not that good”
16:45 celeron55 a known thing is though that some people play MT on computers that are able to run it with minimum settings at like 10fps
16:45 celeron55 i guess they have never known what money is or something
16:45 OldCoder preloaded visuals should be off by default
16:45 BlockMen 10fps != play
16:45 * realtinymonster likes this game
16:46 realtinymonster brb
16:46 Calinou celeron55, you don't need expensive PC to play Minetest
16:46 Calinou either something old and high end, or something new and low end
16:46 Calinou but not old and low end :)
16:47 celeron55 it depends on what you consider old or low end
16:47 LazyJ I'm trying to compile Minetest with leveldb enabled on Ubuntu 12.04 LTS. libleveldb-dev and libsnappy1/dev are installed but each time I get errors like these:
16:47 Calinou BlockMen, I would avoid exaggerating, it distorts the situation
16:47 LazyJ *this:
16:47 LazyJ (.text+0x681): undefined reference to `snappy::MaxCompressedLength(unsigned long)'
16:47 Piggybear87 OldCoder, I don't know if I told you or not, but I can get on 30011 pretty quickly, but I get stuck in 1-4 chunks and nothing else will load. I KNOW that's not my machine. I can get on 30012 simi-quickly and everything loads fine and I get barely any lag. It HAS to be a broken LandRush_game or something.
16:47 LazyJ /usr/lib/gcc/x86_64-linux-gnu/4.6/../../​../../lib/libleveldb.a(table_builder.o): In function `leveldb::TableBuilder::Write​Block(leveldb::BlockBuilder*, leveldb::BlockHandle*)':
16:47 LazyJ (.text+0x681): undefined reference to `snappy::MaxCompressedLength(unsigned long)'
16:47 Calinou it works for me on Xubuntu 14.04, LazyJ, but I don't use LevelDB because it feels slower here.
16:47 OldCoder 1-4 chunks? Can you explain
16:47 BlockMen Calinou, depends the topic
16:48 celeron55 LazyJ: pastebin the full output
16:48 sfan5 LazyJ: disable compression in leveldb or link with -lsnappy
16:48 LazyJ Ok, firing up the browser...
16:48 BlockMen if you say late 90s or early 00s makes no big difference in that topic
16:48 celeron55 sfan5 is probably correct
16:48 LazyJ How do I disable compression?
16:48 LazyJ Isn't leveldb
16:48 celeron55 a cmake command line for linking with -lsnappy would be useful though
16:48 LazyJ Ahk..
16:48 Piggybear87 Only one to four chunks load for me. I cannot go further than that, and I cannot place/remove items to and from chests. asl said I turn into an unknow player also.
16:49 LazyJ Isnt' the compression the big selling point on leveldb?
16:49 Piggybear87 unknown*
16:49 Calinou BlockMen, most netbooks are late 2000s
16:50 BlockMen i was not talking about netbooks
16:50 Piggybear87 And OldCoder, it has only done that since the switch to LevelDB I believe.
16:50 celeron55 nobody uses 90's computers anymore; they can't run even basic linux
16:50 celeron55 no matter how high end they are
16:50 OldCoder Piggybear87, I am willing to try more things. There is no way to tell. I am out of time for this presently. Explain "chunks" issue if you can.
16:51 sfan5 celeron55: if they are i486 they can still run linux
16:51 BlockMen "they can't run even basic linux"...wut
16:51 celeron55 sfan5: basic linux from a user's perspective is a thing like xubuntu
16:51 celeron55 with desktop
16:52 Piggybear87 Chunks are 16x16x16 (i believe) areas in the game.
16:52 sfan5 then use gentoo
16:52 sfan5 will take ages... but work
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16:52 celeron55 bleh, do you intentionally not want to understand?
16:52 celeron55 whatever then, i won't try
16:52 OldCoder Piggybear87, explain the error more precisely
16:52 LazyJ Ok, here's the pastebin celeron55 requested:    http://pastebin.com/MsQaAsib
16:52 OldCoder http://minetest.org/minetest-140610b.zip
16:52 OldCoder ^ FAST CLIENT
16:52 OldCoder Come 'n get it
16:53 OldCoder Um; it's 70MB
16:53 OldCoder :-)
16:53 celeron55 LazyJ: the solution remains exactly what sfan5 said
16:53 OldCoder Vazon, ^
16:53 sfan5 celeron55: I know what you mean, but you could technically still run xfce on it
16:53 Piggybear87 Hmm, I think the only way will be with a screenshot. I will have that in a few minutes. Be right back.
16:53 sfan5 OldCoder: maybe use 7z next time
16:53 Vazon kk
16:53 OldCoder sfan5, won't help much
16:53 sfan5 OldCoder: many people have bad internet connections
16:53 sfan5 it helps a bit
16:53 OldCoder sfan5, very well
16:54 OldCoder But this will be better than using those same bad connections to get media during the game
16:54 BlockMen sfan5, for windows-users always zip :P
16:54 LazyJ Great. So of the two options, disabling compression or linking to snappy, which is better for Minetest?
16:54 Jordach snappy
16:54 sfan5 LazyJ: disabling compression, mapblocks are already compresses
16:54 sfan5 compressed*
16:55 Vazon OldCoder for Windows, or linux?
16:55 LazyJ And how do I disable the compression?
16:55 sfan5 LazyJ: recompile leveldb, easier thing is ofc just linking to libsnappy
16:55 sfan5 Vazon: windows
16:55 Vazon mhmm ok i will brb im on my comp with linux
16:55 LazyJ Ok, so how would I accomplish the libsnappy option?
16:56 OldCoder Vazon, that is a Windows-32 client
16:56 OldCoder After it is debugged I will try a 64-bit version
16:56 OldCoder BTW Vazon see if sound works
16:56 Piggybear87 OF COURSE! That's my life... It wont do it again. It's loading fine for me now...
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16:56 OldCoder Which Forum would I announce new clients in?
16:57 OldCoder Piggybear87, relax; this is expected
16:57 Jordach OldCoder, General Discussion
16:57 OldCoder Jordach, t y
16:57 Jordach (i'll sticky the topic later)
16:57 Vazon_ OldCoder can i have the link please
16:57 OldCoder It is above but: http://minetest.org/minetest-140610b.zip
16:57 Piggybear87 I know, but thing will never get fixed if I can't replicate the problem...
16:57 OldCoder Jordach, would I call the thread something like "OldCoder Builds" ?
16:58 Jordach Windows Builds(
16:58 Jordach yeah
16:58 OldCoder Piggybear87, if it is not on the server side this will not work
16:58 Jordach OldCoder, i can always edit the topic title for clarity
16:58 OldCoder Jordach, no; I will build for Linux too?
16:58 Jordach OldCoder, ah
16:58 Jordach then builds is fine
16:58 OldCoder Very well
16:58 OldCoder I shall see how testing goes, make fixes, and create a thread at some point
16:59 * Jordach once ran Arch in a VM
16:59 Vazon_ OldCoder could you have made the file any bigger :3
16:59 Piggybear87 It will work, yes, IF I had Windows...
16:59 OldCoder Jordach, I also wish a thread where I comment on my worlds. The worlds will have their own threads at the owner level. But I will have an overall thread. General discussion too?
16:59 OldCoder Vazon, probably not :P
16:59 Jordach OldCoder, there's a maps secrtion
16:59 Vazon_ haha
16:59 Jordach section*
16:59 Jordach (bleh - can't type)
16:59 OldCoder Jordach, Not about maps. It will be general server level issues.
17:00 OldCoder Rather, there are already maps threads for the worlds
17:00 Jordach OldCoder, under servers then
17:00 OldCoder I may announce new worlds or shutdowns in my thread
17:00 OldCoder Servers have a section?
17:00 OldCoder Ah; yes
17:00 OldCoder very well t y
17:00 Jordach OldCoder, use your own server topic for that, not in a Hoster's FAQ
17:00 OldCoder I don't even know what a Hoster's FAQ is
17:01 Jordach [17:59:50] <OldCoder> Jordach, Not about maps. It will be general server level issues.
17:01 Jordach ^ i assumed from that
17:01 OldCoder Yes?
17:01 * OldCoder does not follow; but never mind
17:01 OldCoder I will try a thread at some point. It can always be moved.
17:01 OldCoder Does anybody besides Vazon wish to try the Fast(sm) Client?
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17:02 Calinou nein
17:02 Vazon_ OldCoder alot of people use Linux here lol
17:02 Jordach 9
17:02 OldCoder Heh
17:02 OldCoder And yet people complain about Windows clients
17:02 OldCoder And speed; there need to be more clients with the changes
17:03 Jordach what's wrong with sfan5's clients
17:03 Jordach nothing
17:03 OldCoder Does he include preloaded cache?
17:03 OldCoder And "wrong" is the wrong word
17:03 Jordach however, my client is like 2 months old
17:03 OldCoder The slow load times are a significant factor, I feel
17:03 OldCoder The game can't continue to be 5 to 20 minutes just to get in
17:03 OldCoder It will never surpass MC in this case
17:04 Vazon_ OldCoder i had someone wait 40 min to join mine :|
17:04 OldCoder Were they pleased at the delay?
17:05 OldCoder And there is simply no reason to preload visuals at runtime; or I am not clear about that
17:05 Jordach OldCoder, on my connection, it takes ~7 minutes to get into VanessaE's largest content sevrer
17:05 OldCoder Jordach, and others wait up to 40 minutes for other worlds
17:06 OldCoder Even 5 minutes is too long. A game is supposed to just start.
17:06 Piggybear87 My first time getting in to Vazon's server, it took me ~15 minutes. Enough time to make and eat a sandwich...
17:06 Jordach i can do with a sandvich right now
17:07 Piggybear87 A pastrami and a beer! Sounds like lunch to me!
17:07 OldCoder Other games are 100MB+ There is no reason MT can't have a reasonable size as a tradeoff for speed. Though protocol changes might be better.
17:07 Piggybear87 +1^
17:08 Piggybear87 I would rather download a 200Mb file to have a fast load time and less lag than the other way around.
17:09 sfan5 OldCoder: I could make a preloaded cache available as an additional package
17:09 Vazon_ Piggy  at least you had time to eat :3
17:09 OldCoder Using your own script; yes
17:09 OldCoder It seems to work fine for this purpose
17:09 Piggybear87 Lol, yeah.
17:09 sfan5 * Jordach once ran Arch in a VM
17:09 sfan5 the last time I did that I broke it by not reading the news
17:10 Jordach sfan5, i managed to actually get it setup and ready for use
17:10 OldCoder sfan5, I simply ran your script on my entire MT tree. No need to be complicated. Picked up all the media everywhere.
17:10 Vazon_ Have you been able to log into Landrush Piggybear?
17:10 Jordach just needed to install XFCE
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17:10 OldCoder sfan5, s/ran your script/did a find/
17:10 Piggybear87 Yeah, I was just on.
17:10 Vazon_ Ok, good.
17:10 sfan5 I was about to tell you that you only need the hash files (not the symlinks)...
17:10 OldCoder sfan5, My version of your script is a good deal shorter
17:10 OldCoder sfan5, I know
17:10 sfan5 what did you change?
17:10 OldCoder sfan5, need the symlinks for the server-side copy not the cache
17:10 Piggybear87 My problem wont replicat when I try to show someone... :/
17:10 OldCoder sfan5, I will provide you with a copy
17:11 OldCoder sfan5, I essentially dropped all the redundant code and did a single find on the entire tree
17:11 kaeza https://forum.minetest.net/vi​ewtopic.php?p=144505#p144505
17:12 kaeza https://forum.minetest.net/vi​ewtopic.php?p=144505#p144505
17:12 OldCoder sfan5, BTW I'm still not clear on why clients do POST to index.mth ?
17:12 kaeza because reading is for noobs
17:12 Piggybear87 HOLY HELL! I hope that's not accurate...
17:12 Vazon_ what piggy?
17:13 Piggybear87 3 hours to download his client...
17:13 Vazon_ xD OldCoders?? No just about 2-5 min but extracting is a different story -.-
17:14 Calinou Jordach, Xfce, not XFCE
17:14 sfan5 OldCoder: the server is supposed to be able to automatically generate index.mth, that can be done using GET too but....
17:14 OldCoder So a POST triggers a build?
17:14 sfan5 someone thought otherwise
17:14 OldCoder Hm
17:14 OldCoder Wait; it is an httpd server
17:14 sfan5 did the post -> get remap thing I gave you work?
17:14 OldCoder How would an httpd server do this?
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17:14 sfan5 php?
17:15 nman3600 OldCoder why does mark twain server say hosted by you?
17:15 OldCoder sfan5, ah; you mean, people are supposed to add the code to build index to nginx etc. themselves?? And I never added it
17:15 OldCoder nman3600, because it is
17:15 Piggybear87 OK, down to an hour, let's hope it drops more... Lol.
17:15 nman3600 okay.. does mark still add the mods and that?
17:15 Piggybear87 Brb.
17:15 OldCoder nman3600, it is a joint effort
17:15 OldCoder sfan5, that was in PM wasn't it?
17:16 sfan5 OldCoder: not to nginx itself but a CGI script; yes it was in a PM
17:16 OldCoder sfan5, has anybody ever actually done the CGI script? And I don't need to if I pregenerate the file, right? And checking PM now
17:17 sfan5 you don't need a script if you have a pregenerated one
17:17 OldCoder location /index.mth { error_page 405 =200 $uri; }
17:17 OldCoder Hm
17:17 OldCoder What is $uri?
17:18 sfan5 /index.mth in this case
17:18 sfan5 brb
17:18 OldCoder No; I mean, is that an nginx feature?
17:18 sfan5 yes
17:18 OldCoder kk
17:19 Vazon_ Very nice OldCoder :) worked great, only stalled on media for about 20 sec
17:19 OldCoder That is still high
17:19 OldCoder But better than minutes
17:19 Vazon_ yes it is
17:20 OldCoder Well, I kept the promise. Pls test. Also tell me if sound works.
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17:20 OldCoder If you run it in stand-alone world there is a fully_loaded _game to start with
17:21 Vazon_ sound does work
17:21 OldCoder So, fast and sound and no red screens and curl
17:21 OldCoder thumbs up?
17:21 Vazon_ yes :)
17:22 * Piggybear87 is still waiting for it to download...
17:22 OldCoder The link will be deleted when I produce a new release
17:23 Piggybear87 2 minutes remain.... Then the extraction...
17:23 * Piggybear87 is scared...
17:23 OldCoder ?
17:23 Piggybear87 It will take aa while. Lol.
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17:25 john_minetest hello everypony
17:25 OldCoder john_minetest, http://minetest.org/minetest-140610b.zip
17:26 OldCoder ^ Super fast client
17:26 Piggybear87 An error occurred while extracting the file... Looks like I'M not testing it...
17:27 OldCoder What type of error?
17:27 OldCoder Piggybear87, this is important. The file is not corrupted. If you can't open it, your network or PC is broken.
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17:28 Piggybear87 Don't know. It just said "An error occurred while loading the archive"
17:28 OldCoder Um
17:28 OldCoder What OS is this? And how
17:28 OldCoder exactly did you try to open the archive?
17:28 OldCoder Who printed that message?
17:29 Piggybear87 Lubuntu (I was going to run it in Wine), and right click->extract here.
17:29 OldCoder No
17:29 OldCoder Is the file downloaded?
17:29 OldCoder What is its size?
17:29 Piggybear87 Yes. and 48.4 Mb.
17:29 OldCoder The download aborted
17:30 Piggybear87 Hmm, I wonder why...
17:30 OldCoder Piggybear87, I am sorry but the PC or network is not reliable. You can get the rest of the file, though.
17:30 OldCoder Open a Terminal
17:30 OldCoder Go to the folder where the file is
17:30 OldCoder Indicate when you are there
17:30 Piggybear87 I deleted it. I'm going to re-try.
17:31 OldCoder If it aborts again there is usually no need to delete; you can get the rest of the data
17:31 Piggybear87 OK.
17:32 Piggybear87 64.5 Mb?
17:32 OldCoder Wait
17:32 OldCoder Maybe
17:32 OldCoder Get the file and check its exact size in bytes
17:33 OldCoder 67644251
17:33 OldCoder Should match that
17:33 Piggybear87 Ok, that's what Firefox is saying. I will check the size when it completes.
17:33 OldCoder VanessaE, DreamBuilder cache is included in the Super Fast Client :P
17:34 OldCoder VanessaE, people can actually visit your DreamBuilder worlds now
17:34 john_minetest super fast client - what is super fast? network or game?
17:34 john_minetest OldCoder ^
17:34 OldCoder john_minetest, basically it starts the game in 1 minute instead of 20
17:34 Piggybear87 john_minetest, It's all pre-loaded.
17:34 OldCoder For remote servers
17:34 OldCoder There is another important change; turned off preload visuals
17:34 john_minetest My computer and internet connection are pretty fast
17:35 Piggybear87 Well, I do that anyway. Lol.
17:35 OldCoder john_minetest, how fast does a world load with empty cache?
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17:36 john_minetest wait a sec
17:36 john_minetest which world?
17:36 OldCoder Rename cache/media and try Landrush
17:36 OldCoder minetest.org port 30011
17:36 OldCoder Or media/cache; whatever
17:36 OldCoder Also turn *on* preload visuals
17:36 OldCoder If you turned it off
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17:37 Piggybear87 Anyone wanna send or buy me a KVM switch?
17:38 * sfan5 is back
17:38 sfan5 Piggybear87: they are not that expensive
17:39 Piggybear87 All of the ones I'm finding with PS/2 keyboard and mouse hookups are.
17:39 john_minetest PS/2 is nice
17:40 john_minetest OldCoder: From pressing connect to spawn it is 2:50
17:40 OldCoder This is remarkably fast. In fast, it is doubtful.
17:40 OldCoder Did you rename the cache folder?
17:40 OldCoder Speed of PC...
17:40 OldCoder Doesn't help with network issues
17:41 john_minetest OldCoder: I did "rm -Rf cache/*"
17:42 OldCoder john_minetest, thanks. Folks, I'm fading and must rest a bit. Try out the new client and comment when you can. Note that it has a new _game with a more usual collection of mods.
17:42 john_minetest About 1:30 minutes of media, the rest is images
17:42 OldCoder john_minetest, that is very very fast. Not as fast as game just starts though :-) Still, acceptable. Some people do have up to 40 minutes.
17:45 john_minetest I got 8mbit/s internet and an i7 quadcore, newest generation.
17:45 * Piggybear87 wonders how hard making a KVM would be...
17:46 Calinou it's not trivial
17:46 john_minetest Piggybear87: Doesn't VMBox support it?
17:46 Calinou no
17:46 Piggybear87 Waht's that?
17:46 john_minetest And qemu?
17:46 Calinou but anyway, you're much better buying a new PC, new or used
17:47 Calinou instead of doing huge hacks :P
17:47 Piggybear87 I wanted my slower machine as a network storage center, but I need to see what's going on. Lol.
17:47 john_minetest To start QEMU in KVM mode, append -enable-kvm to the additional start options.
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17:56 Piggybear87 john_minetest, Wrong. KVM = Keyboard, Video, Mouse.
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17:57 john_minetest oooh
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17:59 john_minetest What do you want to do with keyboard, video and mouse?
17:59 Piggybear87 Use 1 for 2 machines.
17:59 Piggybear87 Brb.
17:59 john_minetest ah, that server thingie setup.
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18:00 ecutruin There.  Now I have my nick. >.<  Seems someone has Ecu here.
18:02 ecutruin So, I'ma MC modder guy looking at Minetest as an alternative for content creation (don't care for hacking MC), what kind of limitations does Minetest have in comparison to say Forge modding? (for those that might know)
18:04 Jordach ecutruin, um
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18:05 Piggybear87 john_minetest, No I want to have my slower machine to be used as a network media storage (music, videos, pictures, etc.), but I have only 1 mouse kb and monitor.
18:06 ecutruin Jordach, I am honestly not sure how many #minetest regulars actually do MC modding. ^-^;  I just figured I'd ask.
18:06 ecutruin So far, from my research, you can do a whole lot with Minetest's engine if you're creative.
18:06 realtinymonster ecutruin: yep
18:06 ecutruin And a whole lot more if you're willing to dive into C.
18:07 ecutruin I'd prefer to stick with Lua personally, I'm more of an artist/designer then programmer these days.
18:07 Piggybear87 ecutruin, This may help you get started. http://dev.minetest.net/Intro
18:08 Piggybear87 Be warned, some of it is outdated.
18:08 ecutruin Thanks Piggybear87, I'll take a look.  One thing I'm curious about.. is custom node models.. can you get very complex with them?
18:08 john_minetest Piggybear87: Why do you use a keyboard, mouse and monitor at all? You could just ssh in there.
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18:09 john_minetest For a media storage, a mouse isn't really nessecary since X is a big security hole.
18:09 Piggybear87 ecutruin, Yes, using nodeboxes, I believe they're called.
18:09 * sfan5 meows at john_minetest
18:09 * john_minetest gives sfan5 a <'(((((((@debian@(((---<
18:10 ecutruin From what I've seen (abiat, I'm not very knowledgable), noteboxes are still limited to the 6 texture faces, is that true?  Or can I have more control of my textures somehow?
18:10 john_minetest Really stable fish.
18:10 * sfan5 flips john_minetest
18:10 * john_minetest rotates sfan5 around his z axis around 180 degrees.
18:10 ecutruin noteboxes - nodeboxes*
18:11 Piggybear87 I honestly do not know, there are people here and on the forum that are very helpful.
18:11 * sfan5 gives john_minetest a kitten
18:11 Piggybear87 Gotta run for a bit. Back soon.
18:12 * john_minetest got a kitten hat.
18:12 ecutruin Here's some example of some of the random art I've done.. https://www.dropbox.com/sh/c​xi9vzdzmk6ywpa/6NDGwDrWBl#/
18:13 ecutruin I'd love to be able to do these kinds of things in Minetest.. if its possible.
18:18 Jordach ecutruin, .x and .b3d meshnodes are in the pipeline
18:18 Jordach so that means you can create a very lovely UV Map for them
18:19 Jordach (in fact any type of exported mesh that irrlicht supports can be used natively)
18:19 ecutruin Jordach, ah.  Right now though, there is no means to specify textures per nodebox separately?
18:19 Jordach ecutruin, not currently
18:19 Jordach although many have bugged for it
18:20 ecutruin Hrm, that's unfortunate.. do you have an idea how far off the new import might be?  I completely understand etas are generally wrong.. but even a rough idea would help.
18:20 Jordach ecutruin, afaik RealBadAngel is working on it
18:20 Jordach and i shoukld provide a mesh
18:20 Jordach for testing
18:21 Jordach five secs
18:21 * sfan5 meows at Jordach
18:21 * Jordach cracks out the blender
18:22 ecutruin Ah alright.  I have a developer that is willing to write me a model converter for my favorite program.. currently he has obj/png export support.. but I was going to ask him to do nodebox..
18:22 ecutruin but it wouldn't work with the way nodeboxes currently work.. so I will probably have to use Node Editor to figure things out.
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18:22 * ecutruin reminds himself to look into Node Editor more.
18:23 Jordach Nodebox*
18:24 ecutruin Yeah, that. x.x;
18:24 Jordach ecutruin, i've used it before - but i have once converted blender vert data into nodeboxes
18:25 RealBadAngel ecutruin, that will be possible with drawtype  =  mesh
18:25 RealBadAngel forget about nodeboxes
18:25 ecutruin Another question (sorry for them all), can I draw nodeboxes differently based on metadata or somesuch?  Specifically, what kind of limitations would I have?  Textures only?  Different models?
18:25 Jordach ecutruin, you'll have to make multiple nodes, see pipeworks or xfences as examples]
18:26 RealBadAngel no you cant
18:26 ecutruin RealBadAngel, awesome to hear. ^-^  I currently use the voxel art tool Quibicle Constructor to do most of my art now days.. so being able to convert that to obj models and then import them would be awesome.
18:26 RealBadAngel there is such code, but not in the engine yet
18:26 ecutruin Ah.
18:27 RealBadAngel you can import them already
18:27 ecutruin So I've got a bit to wait before the features I really want are options.. but there does seem to be some 'workarounds' possible.
18:27 RealBadAngel and use such models for entities
18:27 RealBadAngel ive used once irrlicht examples dwarf as a player model
18:28 RealBadAngel only change will come you will be able to use models for nodes too
18:28 ecutruin Ah.
18:29 ecutruin Could I use entities as blocks, as a workaround, if I wanted to? :P
18:31 Jordach ecutruin, yers
18:31 ecutruin Well, that's one option.
18:32 ecutruin I could probably make due with Nodebox Editor right now as well, if needed.  Nodeboxes cannot be animated though, right?  So no opening chests or anything?
18:35 realtinymonster OH
18:35 realtinymonster wow!
18:36 realtinymonster this iPhone game has such a great API
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18:39 realtinymonster lol
18:40 realtinymonster I have odd ways
18:40 john_minetest I found the great world of espeak.
18:40 realtinymonster espeka is awesome
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18:41 * sfan5 throws cake at john_minetest's face
18:41 john_minetest Me catches the cake.
18:41 john_minetest Anyway, the cake is great. It's so delicious and moist!
18:41 john_minetest And these points of data make a beautiful line.
18:42 john_minetest When we're out of data, we're releasing in time.
18:42 ecutruin RealBadAngel, You mentioned being able to use entities...how reliable are they?  I've read a few posts about entities being 'unstable'...are they still as such?
18:43 Jordach ecutruin, unstable as in, might crash and or just not work as you'd think
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18:46 ecutruin Jordach, either.  I kinda would like them to be reliable if I'm going to use them.
18:47 Jordach ecutruin, they are saved when the map is closed
18:47 Jordach but in some cases (simple mobs) they dont
18:48 Jordach for some reason simple mobs entities never stuck around long enough
18:48 PilzAdam Jordach, simple mobs' mobs are saved
18:48 PilzAdam I simply remove them when they are loaded again
18:48 Jordach and that explains it
18:49 Jordach that's actually bugged me for the last year why
18:49 Jordach PilzAdam, you've not noticed that your posts remaining until 4096 has been changine
18:50 ecutruin So.. if I was to say use an entity to say act as the liquid level of a barrel.. would it stay in place where I want it.. and reload when I wanted it to?
18:50 ecutruin And could I control it from the barrel?
18:50 Jordach ecutruin, yupo
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18:51 w_laenger hi
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18:51 Piggybear87 Back, but, in and out.
18:51 PilzAdam you can't "reload" an entity if you want to
18:51 PilzAdam the engine does that for you
18:52 PilzAdam note that block loading and entity loading is separate, so you might get empty barrels or water flying in air
18:52 w_laenger I accidentally unloaded a plugin of xchat. How can I get it back?
18:53 john_minetest sfan5: My hat looks like a cat.
18:53 Jordach w_laenger, restart xchat
18:53 w_laenger that didn't work
18:53 Jordach although i've not used it much
18:53 john_minetest sfan5: https://cdn.mediacru.sh/ZemWTovtj1L1.jpg
18:54 sfan5 meow
18:54 sfan5 john_minetest: https://mediacru.sh/pE6Va0a7sI7G
18:54 w_laenger I also reinstalled xchat and deleted .xchat2 but it didn't help
18:55 PilzAdam john_minetest, good that the resolution of that image isn't totally overkill for the content
18:55 john_minetest PilzAdam: My camera has uber-HD but the noise is horrible
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18:55 ecutruin PilzAdam, so you cannot really have fine control of an entity from a node?
18:55 john_minetest Also it is a cat-hat.
18:56 PilzAdam ecutruin, what do you mean by "from a node"?
18:56 w_laenger and I got a problem when I tried to started an older 0.4.9-dev minetest
18:56 PilzAdam maybe look at the signs mod(s), they have entities "attached" to nodes
18:56 w_laenger after I compiled it again
18:56 w_laenger it tells me "Irrlicht Engine version 1.8.0" and then it aborts
18:57 ecutruin Well you said you couldn't reload the entity.. so it would be hard to say reset a liquid level to a different level on world load?
18:57 w_laenger "Speicherzugriffsfehler"
18:58 PilzAdam ecutruin, you can change the appearance of the entity at any time
18:58 ecutruin PilzAdam, and I can tie a specific entity to a specific node?
18:58 john_minetest w_laenger: Do "dmesg | tail"
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18:59 The_Beast Hey
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18:59 The_Beast Hey Vanessae
18:59 john_minetest Last one should show the Speicherabzug which was erstellt.
18:59 PilzAdam ecutruin, there is no special function to do that, you'll have to make sure that it's at a node's position yourself
18:59 john_minetest <john_minetest> w_laenger: Do "dmesg | tail"
18:59 ecutruin PilzAdam, ah ok.
18:59 john_minetest <john_minetest> Last one should show the Speicherabzug which was erstellt.
19:00 ecutruin Sounds like I could achieve the results I'd want through creative usage of Entities and Nodes/Nodeboxes.
19:00 w_laenger [   77.328130] show_signal_msg: 48 callbacks suppressed
19:00 w_laenger [   77.328139] minetest[1672]: segfault at 80000000 ip b70229a8 sp bfea815c error 4 in libc-2.15.so[b6ee3000+1a4000]
19:00 w_laenger [  467.512116] minetest[1882]: segfault at 80000000 ip b70479a8 sp bfb735ac error 4 in libc-2.15.so[b6f08000+1a4000]
19:00 w_laenger [  480.536435] minetest[1884]: segfault at 80000000 ip b707f9a8 sp bf9efe4c error 4 in libc-2.15.so[b6f40000+1a4000]
19:00 Jordach huh, shadowbot isn't in the house
19:00 PilzAdam !op Jordach
19:00 Jordach i could have done that myself, PilzAdam
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19:01 w_laenger sorry for writing much text here
19:01 PilzAdam >writing
19:01 PilzAdam more like pasting
19:01 w_laenger ok, pasting with middle mouse click
19:01 john_minetest Hey
19:01 john_minetest only 4 lines.
19:01 john_minetest Usually it says: "Paste 5 or more lines to a pastebin"
19:01 john_minetest So it is okay.
19:01 PilzAdam " Use pastebin if you want to post more than 3 lines (e.g. error messages or code)"
19:02 PilzAdam 3
19:02 w_laenger ok
19:02 w_laenger there: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7624999/
19:03 VanessaE hi all
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19:04 w_laenger hi
19:04 nman3600 hi
19:05 w_laenger does this cause the Speicherzugriffsfehler? https://github.com/minetest/minetest/commi​t/c8a99404e8c52a59127bdd634b13f10f7ebb19ab
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19:06 OldCoder VanessaE, scroll up. There is a fast new client that includes the DreamBuilder cache.
19:06 w_laenger <w_laenger> nman3600 hi
19:06 VanessaE I saw in the log, good deal
19:06 OldCoder Indeed
19:06 OldCoder Testing is welcomed
19:06 nman3600 w_laenger hello
19:06 OldCoder Highly encouraged
19:07 * OldCoder is away for a while but will build more clients when time permits
19:07 w_laenger I fixed the missing plugin problem: by unloading it I uninstalled xchat-indicator
19:12 Megaf ecutruin: I quite like this one https://www.dropbox.com/sh/cxi9vzd​zmk6ywpa/6NDGwDrWBl#lh:null-Chair.gif
19:12 ecutruin Megaf, thanks. ^-^  Those were all just tests of Quibicle Constructor, to get a feel for the program.  I quite like it.
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19:12 w_laenger why does xchat use aplay?
19:13 john_minetest hey we could einstreuen a few words of deutsch in every sentence so this kanal slowly wird a deutscher kanal.
19:14 w_laenger are we allowed. das zu do?
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19:15 w_laenger minetets still tells me Irrlicht Engine version 1.8.0 Speicherzugriffsfehler
19:16 WindHero Dungeon Masters can burn in Holle
19:16 * WindHero surprisingly knows an iota of German
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19:19 john_minetest hmm, irgendwer wants to spiel on some Computer für den access auf eine zentrale ressource oder service in einem network?
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19:30 Piggybear87 I was just able to play for about 30 minutes (till I got bored). Maybe my problem is fixing itself. :)
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19:36 Megaf VanessaE: Hi. What do you use to do this? http://digitalaudioconcepts.com/va​nessa/hobbies/minetest/stats.html
19:41 VanessaE Megaf: I use the rrdtool suite and a few scripts to scrape minetest logs and `top` and `iostat` output.
19:42 VanessaE (those scripts are in here:  http://digitalaudioconcepts.com/vane​ssa/hobbies/minetest/Server-scripts/ )
19:42 Megaf I see, thanks VanessaE
19:47 Jordach ecutruin seems like a nice guy
19:47 Piggybear87 Ok, peeps, I want to run a test. Come on to my test server and EFF! STUFF! UP!!! Place blocks, destroy crap, run around, dump lava, dump water, you know, normal griefer stuff. Give 5 minutes and join. 96.58.129.198 30000
19:48 Piggybear87 Or now, it's up.
19:49 asl !up 96.58.129.198
19:49 MinetestBot 96.58.129.198:30000 is up (131ms)
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19:52 Jordach ding dong
19:52 Amaz I just get a black screen when I join...
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19:53 Piggybear87 You're in a block. I gave you and asl fly noclip
19:53 asl it's all black :/
19:53 Piggybear87 Hmmm, asl joined and it crashed.
19:53 Amaz Ah.
19:53 Piggybear87 I gave you noclip and fly. You're in the ground.
19:54 Jordach HOLY CRAQP
19:54 Jordach -1 RTT
19:54 asl i mean black black, no hub no nothing
19:54 Amaz Yep.
19:54 Jordach https://cdn.mediacru.sh/xv1AQyoUMF6O.png
19:54 asl dig us up lol
19:54 Piggybear87 Ok, one sec.
19:56 Amaz I can'y get past the rules...
20:00 OldCoder Piggybear87, were you able to download the new client?
20:03 asl piggybear, it lagging
20:04 Amaz A lot!
20:04 Piggybear87 I just dumped a crap load of lava.
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20:06 Amaz Same here!
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20:10 Piggybear87 Ok, I killed it... Thanks guys. I CANNOT host a server. Even a small one...
20:10 Amaz Shame.
20:10 asl your ram is too small
20:11 Piggybear87 My CPU was at over 200% My ram never left 75%
20:11 Piggybear87 My CPU is too small. Lol.
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20:14 asl !up asl97.uk.to
20:14 MinetestBot asl97.uk.to:30000 seems to be down
20:15 Megaf Piggybear87: yes you can
20:15 Piggybear87 Maybe if I disable a few things and remove some mods, have like a mainly vanilla server.
20:15 Piggybear87 Megaf, How?
20:15 asl !up asl97.uk.to
20:15 Megaf Piggybear87: that server tick option, is set to 0.1, change it to 0.3
20:15 MinetestBot asl97.uk.to:30000 seems to be down
20:15 Jordach RealBadAngel, nearly got a meshnode for you!
20:16 Piggybear87 See, I don't know the minetest.conf server part.
20:16 asl !up asl97.uk.to
20:16 MinetestBot asl97.uk.to:30000 is up (949ms)
20:18 Piggybear87 That's for a dedicated server Megaf, I was playing also.
20:19 Megaf Piggybear87: so you are right, you can't host it
20:20 Piggybear87 I'm not going to have a server that I can't also play on. Lol.
20:21 Piggybear87 Anyway. I'm out for a bit. If you have something that you need to say to me, just PM and I will get it when I'm back.
20:21 Piggybear87 Also, Yes OldCoder, but It stuck at "resolving address".
20:22 OldCoder Not the software's problem Piggybear87
20:22 OldCoder Sorry but your PC or network are the problem
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20:26 WindHero testing new amplitude params for skylands: https://mediacru.sh/QMrxOeen40fZ
20:27 Jordach oooh
20:27 Jordach shiny
20:28 WindHero xD
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20:28 WindHero also did a major cleanup on the code
20:28 WindHero 1184 -> 821
20:29 WindHero lines saved by getting rid of old comments and putting all the functions into a separate lua
20:29 * Jordach renders something
20:29 Megaf gtg, bye all
20:29 WindHero bye
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20:31 m5 Hellloo
20:31 WindHero getting some volcano bugs now...
20:31 WindHero hey
20:31 m5 Fuckn that keyboard lag
20:32 * m5 will have lots of fun going through 300KB of config files
20:33 Jordach RealBadAngel, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N2_98DXAodE
20:34 Jordach ^ there's your node with armature
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20:42 Jordach 53 posts till 4k
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20:44 WindHero nice
20:45 WindHero great, switched noise values for skylands, now I get those cool overhangs from fracture
20:45 WindHero and I didn't even reference fracture :3
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20:48 * sfan5 purrs at WindHero
20:49 WindHero hello
20:49 * sfan5 goes to bed
20:51 WindHero lol, goodnight then
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20:59 luizbrazil hi
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21:11 SoniEx2 minetest supports LPeg right?
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21:12 sapier what's LPeg? ;-) is there another more common name for it?
21:13 luizrpgluiz what you hear with the site???
21:13 SoniEx2 LPeg Parsing Expression Grammars for Lua
21:14 sapier if it's lua 5.1 yes if not support is pure chance
21:14 luizrpgluiz because the site was down?
21:14 SoniEx2 yes lua 5.1
21:14 SoniEx2 well actually C
21:15 SoniEx2 but it's for lua 5.1
21:15 sapier then no
21:15 sapier we don't officially support any libraries that may or may not be available for lua
21:16 SoniEx2 so no JS in minetest? :/
21:16 sapier lua 5.1 without any additional libraries
21:17 SoniEx2 ok uhh
21:17 WindHero no JS in minetest
21:17 SoniEx2 does the interpreter support the thing?
21:17 sapier anything else may or may not work, if you use them in your mods it's your responsibility to explain mod users how to do
21:18 WindHero skylands: now with larger caves: https://mediacru.sh/xzHGDfj_CFfi
21:18 SoniEx2 minetest has an IRC thing
21:19 SoniEx2 which uses binary libraries
21:19 sapier yes that's what I meant wit "it's your responsibility to explain mod users ..."
21:21 SoniEx2 I can detect the system using pure Lua no?
21:21 SoniEx2 uhh wait
21:21 SoniEx2 I don't have to...
21:22 SoniEx2 I just have to parse package.cpath
21:22 SoniEx2 and tweak it
21:22 sapier http://www.mediafire.com/download/5vt0v7​uh2o82z5k/Minetest-release_20140610.apk new android build
21:22 WindHero :o
21:23 sapier you know minetest could decide to disallow external libs for security reasons by some time soniex?
21:23 WindHero I gotta get one of those soon
21:23 sapier that's not very likely but possible
21:25 SoniEx2 sapier, then I would make a PR to shove LPeg down its throat
21:26 sapier you haven't even explained why you believe to need it
21:26 kaeza >Showing 1 changed file with 62 additions and 457 deletions.
21:27 kaeza aww, no Jordachs here :(
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21:29 SoniEx2 sapier, makes parsing easier/faster
21:29 SoniEx2 so I can shove javascript down its throat and it'll parse it for me
21:29 sapier why don't you just learn lua ...
21:30 sapier for anyone capable of programming learning a new language to be able to use it it about a week
21:30 SoniEx2 because I don't know Javascript
21:30 SoniEx2 :P
21:30 sapier whatever ... doesn't sound like a legit reason to add a lib to me
21:32 SoniEx2 well it can do FORTH too
21:32 SoniEx2 FORTH javascript lua (lua in lua, yeah) CSS HTML YAML JSON UTF-8
21:32 SoniEx2 almost anything
21:33 sapier that's not relevant
21:33 SoniEx2 UTF-8?
21:33 SoniEx2 JSON?
21:33 SoniEx2 YAML?
21:58 VanessaE [06-10 17:33] <sapier> for anyone capable of programming learning a new language to be able to use it it about a week  <---- not if you come from oldskool programming like I do, or just plain can't grok things like C++  :P
21:59 VanessaE (well unless you specifically mean Lua)
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22:03 sapier what I meant is there are about 2 or three language families out there, c family, lisp family and maybe some very special ones
22:04 sapier if you managed to really master one language of a family other languages aren't much more as looking up a dictionary
22:04 sapier not counting the obscure things provided by each language
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22:18 VanessaE sapier: the problem is specifically those things provided by each language
22:19 VanessaE you can have all the C-like, or LISP-like or whatever-alike syntax you want, but when you start getting into each language's specific features is when you start to confuse people
22:19 VanessaE I don't know, for example, what a constructor is or what * does, etc and my mind just doesn't work that way to try to understand it, either.
22:20 VanessaE (which is why I focus on the Lua parts - I understand that, despite the syntax being about the same)
22:20 sapier yes but you don't need those specifics for hello world ;-)
22:21 sapier of course you wont be a pro within a week
22:21 VanessaE no, but hello world is a long way from a game like Minetest :P
22:21 sapier but you'll be able to write simple programms within a week
22:22 sapier especially for those languages beeing scripting languages
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22:51 Vazon ShadowNinja are you there?
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22:53 Tesseract Vazon: Yep.  What is it?
22:54 Vazon i need to know if on ShadowNinja's area mod if he can make it where if you something like /area_openinv so you cna unlock areas inventory protection so we can have public technic and stuff on my server
22:56 Tesseract VanessaE: A constructor "constructs" an object.  That might consist of, for example, setting the maxMPH variable to a reasonable value for a Car object.  * is the pointer-derefference operator, which is a bit harder to explain.
22:56 Tesseract Vazon: /area_open should open inventories too.
22:56 Vazon yes but they can dig stuff and we dont want that
22:57 ShadowNinja Oh.  By default most things have open inventories.  Is this about the Technic machines?
22:58 ShadowNinja Someone probosed a inventory opening method.  I think there were issues with the code though.
22:58 Vazon yes
23:00 Vazon if you can get a working fix please let me know and thanks
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23:20 SoniEx2 sapier forgot to talk about the Lua family of languages
23:21 SoniEx2 aka Lua with metatables
23:21 SoniEx2 aka call(somefunc, argfier() + arg1 + arg2 + arg3, ...)
23:22 Megaf_ Hi Vazon
23:23 Megaf_ https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/1361
23:25 Vazon Hey Megaf_ :D
23:26 Vazon what did you change ERROR to INFO in??
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23:30 Megaf Vazon; The time out message is way to alarming, and it's at the moment an ERROR message
23:30 Megaf 14:41:36: ERROR[ConnectionSend]: con(5/1)RunTimeouts(): Peer 2 has timed out. (source=peer->timeout_counter)
23:30 Megaf No need for that
23:31 Megaf Vazon; So I changed it to this
23:31 Megaf 15:17:06: ACTION[ServerThread]: test times out. List of players:
23:31 Megaf hm
23:31 Megaf thats something weird there
23:32 Megaf anyway
23:32 Megaf is no longer an error
23:32 Megaf its just an info
23:32 Vazon ok
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23:38 ShadowNinja You mean an action?  Actions are things that players do.  I don't think a timeout counts.
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23:49 Megaf ShadowNinja; I mean, info
23:49 Megaf well
23:49 Megaf action is closer to what a time out is then an error
23:50 Megaf if I decide to go shopping, and then I give up and go back home, is that an error?
23:50 Megaf if I decide to join a server, then I give up and go back to my OS, is that an error?
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