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00:03 OldCoder Vazon, indicate what happens
00:04 VanessaE Vazon:  a cURL client is any client built against libcurl, which is most of the ones floating around now.  that's all.
00:05 VanessaE sfan5's or blockmen's builds, for example, have cURL
00:06 VanessaE as do PilzAdam's and fess's
00:08 Vazon im using the one i from here
00:09 Vazon https://forum.minetest.net/v​iewtopic.php?f=3&t=3837
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00:38 OldCoder Vazon, tested?
00:39 VanessaE that's not anyone's specific build, but I don't see cURL in there.
00:39 VanessaE that's Calinou's one-line method *of* building it
00:40 VanessaE but it makes it *your* build, technically :)
00:40 Piggybear87 OldCoder, I still cannot connect.
00:40 OldCoder Piggybear87, are you using a curl client?
00:40 OldCoder Piggybear87, wait; which world?
00:40 Piggybear87 Yes, the PPA vesion is built with it.
00:40 Piggybear87 30011
00:40 OldCoder Ah
00:40 OldCoder Piggybear87, I am migrating it to LevelDB
00:41 OldCoder It's about 54% done
00:41 Piggybear87 Oh, so it's not up right now?
00:41 OldCoder No; migrating to LevelDB for speed and endurance
00:41 Piggybear87 Oh, cool!
00:41 OldCoder Looks like that might take a couple more hours. If something goes wrong, might be all night. But worth the effort.
00:42 Piggybear87 Why does it take so long?
00:44 Vazon OldCoder it worked, the ungernerating did. people are still timing out tho
00:44 Piggybear87 Vazon, Which server?
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00:44 OldCoder Vazon, they will need curl clients
00:44 Vazon Piggy, Minerealms
00:44 Piggybear87 Your Server, right?
00:44 Vazon mhmm that sucks
00:44 Vazon Piggy yes, your free to join me
00:45 OldCoder curl? It is reasonable
00:45 OldCoder It looks like the media fetch is working
00:46 Vazon OK
00:46 Piggybear87 I'm still hanging at media...
00:48 Vazon really?
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00:48 Piggybear87 I was doing OK till I switched to the PPA Minetest, and for what? Ease of updating? Too lazy to open Terminal to launch Minetest...
00:49 Piggybear87 It loads media exactly to the middle, the center of the "d".
00:50 OldCoder Piggybear87, is it a curl build?
00:51 Piggybear87 In the esc menu, it says curl=1, so I assume so.
00:52 * Piggybear87 munches Dove chocolate and cries...
00:54 Piggybear87 *Snif*
00:54 Piggybear87 Sniff*
00:56 * Piggybear87 guesses this is as good time as any to work on his server's map.
00:57 Piggybear87 Ping if you need me.
00:57 OldCoder Piggybear87, working on the issue
00:57 Piggybear87 I know.
00:57 OldCoder Piggybear87, you can help by finding people to discuss curl with me
00:57 OldCoder I'm seeing requests for actual media files such as GET /media/curl/robin2.ogg instead of the hashes sfan5 had me make.
00:57 OldCoder I need to find somebody to discuss that ^ point with
00:57 Piggybear87 I join #minetest-dev also, Lol I saw that.
00:57 OldCoder kk
00:58 OldCoder Well, if you can find somebody, ping me
00:58 OldCoder I can't do much until the answers are clear
00:58 Piggybear87 That seems like it's coming from a mod. Mobf maybe?
01:00 kaeza OldCoder, it's probably a request sent by an older MT client which doesn't support the hashed filenames, though I'm just guessing
01:00 Vazon OldCoder is it possible to make it where they dont need curl?? even my players who have played before are timeing out :| its bumming me out
01:00 Piggybear87 I can't even play MY OWN server because it locks my computer... Minetest USED to be good for old computers...
01:01 * kaeza looks at Buildcrap
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01:04 Vazon kaeza what is that?
01:04 kaeza Vazon, what is what? Buildcra[ft]?
01:05 Piggybear87 OldCoder, My girlfriend has the same problem as me. Hangs at media...
01:05 Vazon oooo xD now i understand
01:05 Vazon Piggy it will take upwards of 20 min jsut give it time
01:05 Vazon to more you restart it will cause your tiem to restart
01:06 Piggybear87 Why??? That's ridiculous....
01:06 kaeza it's one of those clients that surfaced a while ago in some mobile device stores (illegal BTW)
01:07 Vazon idk Piggy that is how long i was told it takes by one of the people who waited to join my server, i hate it soo much
01:07 Piggybear87 I bitched that guy out in the comments. Saying "You use almost ALL of Minetes't code (even minetest.register_node) and you don't mention them ANYWHERE! And I call him a douche.
01:07 Vazon i thought buildcraft was built by sapier?
01:08 Piggybear87 Only since the update, I say we all go back one version...
01:08 OldCoder Piggybear87, I am trying to find somebody to explain curl
01:09 OldCoder Piggybear87, try now
01:09 Piggybear87 Which one?
01:09 OldCoder Minerealms
01:10 Vazon im getting complaints that blocks are laggin now
01:10 Piggybear87 Still hangs. And no game is worth a 20 minute wait to load...
01:10 OldCoder Piggybear87, (1) are you using a curl client (2) did you restart it?
01:10 sapier1 no I'm not involved in buildcraft
01:11 OldCoder sapier1, Hi!
01:11 OldCoder sapier1, can you comment on curl?
01:11 Vazon Piggy once your in once your fine but you have to wait for the first one
01:11 Vazon o i thought you built it so i installed it sapier, i will be deleting it
01:11 sapier1 not really I don't know much about our way of using it
01:11 Piggybear87 OldCoder, Yes to both. Vazon, I'm soory, but, it's not worth it...
01:12 Piggybear87 sorry*
01:12 OldCoder Piggybear87, well, I've done what's possible
01:12 Vazon Piggy yes nothing i would wait for ether and it seems no one wants to wait ether :(
01:12 OldCoder sapier1, sfan5 told me to make hashes. But clients are requesting filenames.
01:13 OldCoder Piggybear87, Vazon you can help by reporting this in the dev channel
01:13 asl Vazon: pm
01:13 Piggybear87 Maybe put a version of the servers on different ports while you're testing.
01:13 sapier1 kahrl did write the curl code maybe he can help
01:13 Vazon OldCoder can you revert back to before yesterday?? it was fine till then
01:14 OldCoder Revert *what* ?
01:14 OldCoder sapier1, when is he around?
01:14 Vazon revert the curl and the other thing you added yesterday
01:15 OldCoder curl is not something that is revertable... it is simply a feature
01:15 OldCoder And I didn't add anything yesterday the way you mean
01:15 sapier1 hard to tell oldcoder just try and hope
01:15 OldCoder I got no time to do so sapier1
01:15 Vazon you did something while all the servers was down i cant remember what that was
01:15 sapier1 vazon are you on android?
01:16 Vazon atm no im laptop but the buildcraft is
01:16 sapier1 https://forum.minetest.net/v​iewtopic.php?f=3&t=9389 if yes try latest one ... last time I did look at buildcraft it's codebase was way outdated
01:17 Piggybear87 OldCoder, get one build older versions of Minetest, so people can play while you figure this out.
01:19 sapier1 it's not necessaryly oldcoders fault, curl uses http thus if something within your provider infrastructure changed e.g. some transparent proxy beeing added .... that could cause issues too
01:20 Vazon yes i know sapier its no ones fault
01:20 asl !up minetest.org 30012
01:20 MinetestBot minetest.org:30012 is up (1352ms)
01:21 Piggybear87 Wow, what a ping...
01:21 asl i guess shadowbot is broken :P
01:21 Vazon Piggy we arent lagging tho
01:21 OldCoder The server is up
01:22 Piggybear87 That high of a ping may be why it takes so long to connect.
01:22 OldCoder My pings are normal
01:22 OldCoder Is there some network outage going on?
01:22 OldCoder What region are you in Piggybear87?
01:22 Vazon OldCoder there is no lag
01:22 OldCoder So you are on?
01:23 Piggybear87 Florida.
01:23 OldCoder Hm
01:23 OldCoder Piggybear87, I don't know if there *is* a problem
01:23 OldCoder There are a number of conflicting signs
01:23 OldCoder Sorry
01:23 Vazon yes but people are timing out :| me don and Miles are on no one else is able to join, they jsut time out unless they wait for 20+ min
01:23 OldCoder Vazon, Piggybear87 see all the above
01:23 asl piggybear, try pinging the server on your side
01:23 OldCoder There is nothing I can do. I see few changes in the source code recently.
01:24 asl ping -c 5 minetest.org
01:24 OldCoder I will try reverting the core a few days.
01:24 Vazon ok
01:24 asl my avg is 494.624
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01:26 Piggybear87 Avereage 240
01:26 Piggybear87 Average*
01:26 asl you got better ping than me and yet you aren't able to connect lol
01:26 Vazon asl its because you joined before the changes
01:27 OldCoder There were no changes except rebuild
01:27 OldCoder Which means that there may be a bug in the core
01:27 OldCoder Or else weird network problems in the U.S. today
01:28 Piggybear87 Like I said, get a one build older build. It may be the code, not network.
01:29 OldCoder Piggybear87, (1) find me somebody who can discuss the curl setup or (2) find me somebody who can discuss a git revert
01:29 OldCoder There is nothing more that I can do without such a person who will talk
01:29 Piggybear87 Screw git, get stable.
01:29 OldCoder I am connecting fine to the world BTW
01:29 Vazon OldCoder there is nothing wrong with the network this has been happening since you restarted all the servers yesterday
01:29 OldCoder D:
01:29 OldCoder Vazon, don't presume to lecture me
01:29 Vazon sorry im not trying to be rude, im just stating a point
01:30 OldCoder Both of you, see the above; I need help from a dev who will discuss one of the two things
01:30 OldCoder I just connected to Minerealms
01:30 OldCoder Just now; and it is working fine
01:30 Piggybear87 Why not just get stable and stick with stable builds?
01:30 OldCoder Stable won't work with some mods IIRC
01:30 OldCoder And many clients IIRC
01:31 OldCoder Plus I am not sure there is a problem
01:31 OldCoder Plus we need the latest curl support code
01:31 OldCoder As curl seems to be the only fix for this sort of issue
01:31 OldCoder
01:31 OldCoder Find me somebody to talk about the two issues. Else there is nothing more I can do.
01:31 Piggybear87 Still hang at media.
01:31 OldCoder Piggybear87, what client are you using, exactly?
01:32 Piggybear87 The newest, I got it this afternoon. Around 1:00 PM my time.
01:32 OldCoder Heh
01:32 OldCoder Batman is online
01:32 OldCoder Newest from *who*
01:32 OldCoder Piggybear87, exactly where did you get it?
01:32 Piggybear87 The PPA.
01:32 Vazon ya that is Don his nickname is changed
01:32 OldCoder What happens when you use an older client?
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01:33 Piggybear87 I don't know. I'm no longer self compiling.
01:33 OldCoder Can you revert to an older client?
01:34 OldCoder VanessaE, people are unhappy. They say they cannot connect.
01:34 OldCoder I'd really like to find somebody who can discuss curl.
01:34 Piggybear87 Not without self compiling. I may be able to get stable.
01:34 VanessaE strange
01:35 VanessaE AHHHHHHHH the comfort of xchat again
01:35 OldCoder See what happens
01:35 OldCoder VanessaE, comments?
01:35 asl the only change you did was setup the remote media iirc
01:35 OldCoder Piggybear87 is quite sad
01:35 OldCoder asl, I did that because of the connect issue
01:35 OldCoder So it started before that
01:35 * Piggybear87 is still munching Dove chocolates and crying...
01:35 OldCoder Other people said that MT does not work any more without curl
01:36 * Vazon steals Piggybear87's Dove chocolates and crys himself.
01:36 asl piggybear, you got everything install that is needed to build minetest?
01:37 Piggybear87 Yes. I can get on other servers with no problem..
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01:38 Piggybear87 I cannot get stable, because I will have to "apt-get install minetest" Which I already did for daily/unstable.
01:39 Piggybear87 I could maybe install Wine again and try the Windows version of stable.
01:41 asl build from git
01:44 Vazon resarting OldCoder?
01:48 OldCoder Yes
01:48 Vazon ok
01:52 Vazon OldCoder
01:53 Vazon i found something that may help
01:53 OldCoder Vazon, ?
01:53 Vazon read the last post this is from SAFR: https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.ph​p?f=10&t=9344&p=144325#p144325
01:53 OldCoder Summarize it
01:54 Vazon 21:38:59: ACTION[main]: Client: Contacting remote server "http://minetest.org/media/curl/" he gets that error
01:54 OldCoder Vazon, what happens when you connect to 30012 presentling?
01:54 OldCoder * presently?
01:54 Vazon i log in
01:54 OldCoder No hangup?
01:54 OldCoder Vazon, in that post is there a solution?
01:55 Vazon and now the time outs leaves him with this ERROR: Client disconnected.
01:55 Vazon no im jsut statign the errors that hes getting so help
01:55 OldCoder Vazon, is anybody but Piggybear87 having problems ATM?
01:56 asl http://minetest.org/media/curl/ is forbidden?
01:56 Vazon the media pauses for like 10 sec. and yes most everyone.
01:56 OldCoder I am not seeing this
01:56 OldCoder asl, there is no index.html file
01:56 OldCoder asl, do you lock up on media or not for 30012?
01:56 OldCoder sapier1, You don't know about the curl hash issue, right?
01:57 sapier1 no
01:57 asl no but that cause i join before the change and already gotten the media
01:57 Vazon asl does not becuase he joined the before the changes happened
01:57 OldCoder No
01:57 OldCoder I have restarted the world numerous times
01:57 OldCoder asl, exit and reenter
01:57 asl the media only download once
01:57 OldCoder Delete your cache, then
01:57 asl :/
01:58 OldCoder Or just rename it
01:58 OldCoder Nothing lost, then
02:00 asl i am building the newest minetest from git so that will have to wait since the cpu is being using for building
02:00 OldCoder kk
02:01 OldCoder Vazon, delete your cache and connect to your world?
02:01 OldCoder And which client are you using?
02:02 Vazon im using a dev about a month old
02:03 Vazon this file? CMakeCache
02:05 asl mine is way back in april
02:05 Vazon nvm found it
02:06 Vazon media is moving but slowly but im not getting hung up
02:08 Vazon ok im in it just moved slowly
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02:11 Vazon sapier are you not able to join?
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03:02 LazyJ Any leveldb experts in here? I'm curious if there is any appreciable advantage of switching Minetest worlds from sqlite to leveldb backends. I've read that leveldb is faster but how stable is it? Faster, but is it significant enough?
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03:30 sydney goodnight everyone!!
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03:57 jordan4ibanez Is there a way to make an integer public?
03:58 kaeza eh?
03:59 jordan4ibanez As in I have a void function but I want to make one of the integers created in the function available to all functions
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04:04 Piggybear87 Vazon, intercat please?
04:07 Megaf LazyJ;
04:07 Piggybear87 Vazon, Please hurry, I lag like crazy at your spawn, I need interact.
04:07 Megaf [00:02:43] <LazyJ> Any leveldb experts in here? I'm curious if there is any appreciable advantage of switching Minetest worlds from sqlite to leveldb backends. I've read that leveldb is faster but how stable is it? Faster, but is it significant enough?
04:07 Megaf well
04:07 LazyJ Howdy, Megaf ;)
04:07 Megaf !up minetest.megaf.info 30001
04:07 MinetestBot minetest.megaf.info:30001 is up (428ms)
04:07 Megaf see it for youself
04:07 Megaf That's my Raspberry Pi using LevelDB
04:08 Megaf 630 MHz
04:08 Megaf single core, ARM
04:08 LazyJ I've been reading the Internet and a few things are starting to shed some light on my question.
04:09 LazyJ I converted a backup copy of Wazuland2 and there are corrupted blocks and none of the test builds in the world are saved.
04:10 LazyJ The world.sqlite file is 6.1gb.
04:10 Piggybear87 Vazon, nevermind You took too long. Asking for interact sucks...
04:10 Piggybear87 I'm out. Bye.
04:10 LazyJ After the leveldb migration, the map.db directory weighed in at about half that (3.4gb).
04:10 Megaf interesting
04:10 Megaf well, I created the world in leveldb already
04:11 Megaf I will keep testing for some more weeks, then I MIGHT migrate my main server to leveldb
04:11 LazyJ I've done that too with my much smaller, singleplayer, test worlds.
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04:11 LazyJ What I came across on the Internet makes me doubt that leveldb is a good option for Minetest atm.
04:11 LazyJ The drastic file reduction was do to the fact that leveldb uses compression by default.
04:12 LazyJ This takes up less disk space but works the cpu harder to do all the compression and decompression on the fly.
04:12 Megaf I think LevelDB is much more likely to corrupt when the server crashesd
04:12 OldCoder ANNOUNCE: Landrush and Minerealms both converted to LevelDB. Both running now with curl, luajit, O3 optimization.
04:12 LazyJ That was another point I read.
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04:13 OldCoder LazyJ, It has a journal
04:13 Megaf OldCoder; 03 is default for minetest release, isnt it?
04:13 LazyJ Sqlite may be more bloated but seems to survive crashes better than leveldb.
04:13 OldCoder Vazon, asl, Landrush and Minerealms are both up
04:13 OldCoder Megaf, did they change that?
04:13 OldCoder I checked the code
04:13 OldCoder Thought it was -O2
04:13 OldCoder LazyJ, I have observed the opposite
04:13 Megaf OldCoder; well, sapier said that Release is 03
04:13 OldCoder It may be so now then
04:13 Megaf and debug is 02 or 01, I dont remember
04:14 LazyJ The other thing that bothered me was that apparently leveldb requires more disk seeks per read.
04:14 OldCoder That is fine; thank you
04:14 OldCoder LazyJ, on the whole for the purposes of MT LevelDB seems to be much faster due to the nature of acesses
04:14 OldCoder sqlite3 is of course more portable
04:15 fishyWET Hi OldCoder, u saw my messages left on the lott server?
04:15 LazyJ Faster is good only if it can tolerate crashes and isn't easily corrupted.
04:15 OldCoder fishyWET, Yes. Thanks. Amaz said I could mention the world here.
04:15 OldCoder I have kept server announce turned off.
04:16 LazyJ Until Minetest creates leveldb worlds instead of sqlite worlds by default, I'll wait.
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04:16 fishyWET alright thanks, u can probably turn it on two days from now
04:16 LazyJ Perhaps by then things will be more polished.
04:16 OldCoder fishyWET, Vazon, Amaz, asl There is one more request I have of people. I want coords of interesting places. The Places mod is good for this.
04:16 OldCoder I will make a travelogue
04:17 OldCoder I will see if Places mod is still around and add it
04:17 fishyWET just wondering, wat's places mod abt?
04:18 OldCoder You can bookmark places and leave remarks about them
04:18 OldCoder Handy for documenting locations easily
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04:18 fishyWET oh alright
04:19 Megaf LazyJ; well, we could try to change default leveldv options
04:19 Megaf maybe with those changes it will be as fast/slow as sqlite3
04:19 Megaf sqlite can be as fast as leveldb, if you dont use sync, ie = 0
04:19 OldCoder Bad idea?
04:19 Megaf but then it would be as easy to corrupt as leveldb
04:20 OldCoder LevelDB has a journal, right?
04:20 OldCoder I have never observed corruption with it
04:20 Megaf bottom line, use sqlite3 with default options (2)
04:20 Megaf OldCoder; kill your serfver with kill -9 PID a couple of times and then we talk again
04:20 OldCoder ?
04:20 Megaf server*
04:21 Megaf s/server/test server
04:22 Megaf let me PTS now, good night (Pee, brush my Teeh and Sleep)
04:23 Megaf Cya
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04:38 Miner_48er will sqlite3 remain supported in future versions?
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04:45 LiveEvil i forgot how to pm lol
04:50 Vazon Piggybear87
04:50 Vazon o he left
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04:55 Vazon !tell Piggybear87 Sorry I was busy when you joined i will grant you interact tomorrow as soon as you join :)
04:55 MinetestBot Vazon: I'll pass that on when Piggybear87 is around
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07:00 sfan5 LazyJ: leveldb is a bit more stable than sqlite3
07:02 LazyJ Thanks, sfan5. The migration process didn't work so well for me.
07:02 sfan5 report any problems to the github bug tracker or to me
07:03 LazyJ I'm not sure what to report on this one.
07:03 LazyJ The problems I was having with the converted world were not showing up in the terminal.
07:03 LazyJ *That* was a problem.
07:05 LazyJ It wasn't until I poked around in the map.db folder and read into the log files that I found reports of compaction errors and corrupted blocks.
07:05 LazyJ I have no experience with the inner workings of leveldb so these logs were nothing useful to me atm.
07:07 sfan5 well
07:07 sfan5 uh..
07:07 sfan5 those .log files are not ascii text
07:07 sfan5 but this might be a bug in leveldb itself
07:08 LazyJ 2014/06/08-19:40:42.678133 7fe5214ab700 Compaction error: Corruption: bad entry in block
07:08 VanessaE sfan5: I fought with zeno's server and lost (after he also fought and lost) with leveldb maps being re-generated post-migration, yet those same migrated maps worked perfectly for me
07:08 sfan5 :-/
07:09 sfan5 I guess it's time for me to write a mysql backend
07:09 VanessaE and indeed I have no trouble with it on my local machine or on my server
07:09 LazyJ It might make a difference if the worlds started with leveldb.
07:09 VanessaE but he and cg72 both just could. not. make. it. work.
07:10 VanessaE LazyJ: indeed - a world that started as leveldb seemed to work, according to those two; my worlds as you know were migrated.
07:10 MinetestBot GIT: Novatux commited to minetest/minetest: Fix #1358 (disappearing clouds) e17d29ccd6 2014-06-09T08:18:33+02:00 http://git.io/-KtGyw
07:11 LazyJ It took over 3hrs to migrate the world on my i7 computer.
07:11 sfan5 the migration only uses one cpu
07:11 LazyJ And there is no indication during or after that anything was amiss.
07:11 sfan5 it can't even use more in the most cases
07:11 sfan5 leveldb returned an OK everytime then
07:12 LazyJ I don't recall what the output in the terminal was during the migration.
07:13 sfan5 if levedb were to return an error the migration would instantly stop
07:25 MinetestBot GIT: 0gb-us commited to minetest/minetest: Added show_debug to minetest.conf.example c6a9eae3ae 2014-06-09T10:23:38+03:00 http://git.io/6zPwMw
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09:14 sfan5 http://www.reddit.com/r/theydidthemat​h/comments/27h4ur/requesthow_many_sti​ckybombs_would_it_take_to_get/ci14i6r
09:14 sfan5 lol
09:21 VanessaE someone has too much time on their hands.
09:21 Calinou on their hooves
09:22 VanessaE whatever
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11:05 Calinou lol, was randomly walking in cave, putting torches
11:05 Calinou then *gib sound plays*
11:05 Calinou with punch sound
11:06 Calinou was an oerkki
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11:29 Calinou dungeon masters can be used to make tunnels: https://cdn.mediacru.sh/ZNYxop-bFAFn.jpg
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11:45 Calinou https://cdn.mediacru.sh/S35RpulBsfiI.png
11:45 Calinou new Carbone screenshot on the texture pack topic
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12:22 Krock hi
12:23 Krock where's ShadowBot at inchra.net?
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12:32 raffahacks hello!
12:33 raffahacks sfan5: meow!
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12:52 Megaf Forming all
12:54 Megaf I mean, Morning all
12:54 Megaf :)
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12:56 PenguinDad Good afternoon Megaf
12:56 PilzAdam good afterform Megaf
12:57 Megaf !up minetest.megaf.info 30003
12:57 MinetestBot minetest.megaf.info:30003 is up (838ms)
13:10 * Krock updated secret_passages
13:14 * Krock meows 94 times at PilzAdam
13:14 * PilzAdam places each meow into a post
13:14 * Krock reports that as anti-spam
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13:39 Megaf meh, if I use OpenGL on minetest for windows I get borked textures, if I use direct3d8 minetest crashes when starting, the window doesnt even show up, if I use direct3d9, textures are fine, performance is fine, but soon I get "Access Violation"
13:40 Krock s/broked/broken
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13:40 Krock version?
13:40 w_laenger hi
13:40 Krock ih
13:41 Megaf minetest-0.4.9 by sfan5
13:41 Krock newest?
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13:41 PenguinDad Megaf: Stable or dev?
13:41 Megaf I tested several versions with OpenGL all of them with broken textures
13:41 Megaf stable PenguinDad
13:41 Krock get dev
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13:42 Krock Megaf ^
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13:42 Megaf man, don't you understand what "stable" means?
13:42 Megaf Will we get to that discusion again?
13:42 Krock it means outdated
13:43 w_laenger 0.4.9 doesn't support minetest.override_item
13:43 Krock some problems there have been fixed with newer dev-builds
13:43 Krock ..and doesn't have 3rdplayer view
13:44 PenguinDad Krock: who needs third person view?
13:44 Megaf I'm gonna try Minetest 0.4.9-dev20140605 by BlockMen
13:44 w_laenger I need it
13:44 Krock PenguinDad, me. doing skin check and selfies
13:45 Krock making new skins is also not very efficient when you need 2 players/clients
13:45 w_laenger I'm not sure if I did something wrong: With the newest minetest I don't get the right error messages if I write something wrong when I make mods.
13:46 Megaf That build just show an error message and dont start
13:46 Krock w_laenger, reproduce the error and paste-bin it
13:46 w_laenger it always tells me something at items.lua add_node works wrong
13:46 PenguinDad Megaf: which error message?
13:46 Megaf GetTickCount64 could be foun
13:46 Krock Megaf, get sfan5's build
13:46 Megaf could not be*
13:46 Krock not blockmens
13:47 w_laenger ok
13:47 Krock that's a problem of win 5.1 aka XP
13:48 w_laenger there: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7618177/
13:48 w_laenger I just didn't use brackets at pairs
13:48 Krock w_laenger, show codes
13:49 w_laenger http://paste.ubuntu.com/7618183/ line 24
13:50 Megaf Krock: sfan5:
13:50 Megaf Irrlicht log: DIRECT3D9 Driver was not compiled into this dll. Try another one.
13:50 Megaf lol
13:50 w_laenger I didn't use brackets at pairs and the problem were at add_node
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13:50 w_laenger was*
13:50 Megaf Irrlicht log: DIRECT3D8 Driver was not compiled into this dll. Try another one.
13:50 Krock Megaf, use OpenGl, d3d9 doesn't work well anyway
13:50 Megaf Are you sure this is a windows build?
13:50 Megaf Newer versions of Windows doesnt even ship with OpenGL
13:51 Krock w_laenger, weird error.
13:51 Krock Megaf, everything suports OpenGL
13:51 PenguinDad what no OpenGL in Windows 8.1?
13:51 w_laenger how can I fix it?
13:52 Krock w_laenger, print("step X with data YZ") at every 2nd line
13:52 Krock see how much gets potputted be4 crash
13:52 Krock *outputted
13:53 w_laenger https://github.com/minetest/minetest/b​lob/master/builtin/game/item.lua#L276
13:53 Megaf well, the latest sfan5 build have broken textures too
13:53 Megaf and it supports only OpenGL
13:53 Megaf I need a working build with working Direct3D8 support
13:53 w_laenger Maybe it's because of "core"
13:54 Krock it must be a argument error
13:54 Krock either pos or the table is wrong
13:54 Krock Megaf, only soulation: try freeminer or bug blockmen to get it running
13:54 Krock (or sfan 5)
13:54 w_laenger I know what's wrong but minetest usually knows this too
13:55 * Megaf looks at proller
13:55 Krock w_laenger, debug with "print(dump(place_to).."\n"..dump(newnode))"  at https://github.com/minetest/minetest/b​lob/master/builtin/game/item.lua#L274
13:56 w_laenger https://github.com/minetest/minetest/commi​t/c4359ff65cd8e4e754442b9f2ef7051a8eaa4241 I think that caused it
13:57 Krock w_laenger, I use such functions daily and never got any errors
13:58 Megaf Now, changing topic, I wonder, what a player that expend hours only *with no interact priv* is doing?
14:00 w_laenger I think it's caused by this mod... "ac"
14:00 w_laenger the error message should look a bit like this: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7618222/
14:03 w_laenger http://paste.ubuntu.com/7618236/ this is the mod
14:05 Megaf the mod trash can works great on my raspberry pi server
14:06 w_laenger I accidentally unloaded a xchat plugin and didn't find out a way to add it back yet
14:06 w_laenger Megaf, which one?
14:06 Megaf hm
14:07 Megaf s/trash_can $ ls
14:07 Megaf depends.txt  dumpster.lua  init.lua  README.txt  sounds  textures
14:07 Megaf This one :P
14:07 Megaf w_laenger:  https://github.com/4Evergreen4/
14:07 Megaf from him
14:07 w_laenger ok, so the green one?
14:08 Megaf Linking CXX executable ../bin/minetestserver
14:08 Megaf [100%] Built target minetestserver
14:08 Megaf real    76m9.439s
14:08 Megaf Yay! new build compiled
14:08 w_laenger http://wiki.minetest.net/images/2/27/Dyes.png are these default dyes?
14:09 Megaf w_laenger: nope
14:09 Megaf they are from mods
14:09 Megaf the default one is much more limited
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14:09 Megaf w_laenger: maybe thats from unified_dyes or something like that
14:10 w_laenger "This table shows all of the possible recipes." Actually not every texture differs from the next one
14:11 w_laenger http://wiki.minetest.net/ima​ges/d/d1/Connected_chest.png Is there more than 1 mod which adds big chests?
14:12 Megaf why would you want big chests?
14:12 Megaf we have refrigerators!
14:12 w_laenger in homedecor...
14:13 w_laenger and I don't like these 3d signs because they are rotated wrong after installing them I think
14:13 Megaf w_laenger: those are the dyes we have https://github.com/minetest/minetest​_game/tree/master/mods/dye/textures
14:14 w_laenger Megaf, I know
14:17 w_laenger "net noise" with a mistake: https://cdn.mediacru.sh/eqpGLzatKvB5.png
14:21 w_laenger cnd.mediacru.sh doesn't like me...
14:22 w_laenger and without: http://i.imgur.com/SS5L9nE.png
14:22 w_laenger do you need this?
14:26 Tesseract Eater4: LuaBot yes, but HLuaBot is a testing and developing bot.
14:27 Krock w_laenger, link of connected_chests mod'
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14:27 Krock *?
14:29 w_laenger this one? https://github.com/HybridDog/connected_chests
14:29 Krock that one.
14:30 w_laenger https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=2558 google found another one
14:31 w_laenger and this one https://github.com/PilzAdam/MiniTest​/blob/master/mods/default/nodes.lua
14:32 LemonLake Hey Krock
14:32 LemonLake Was your server having a lagspike at 12pm your time today?
14:32 Krock Hey LemonLake
14:32 Krock 12pm? at that time it was down since 1.5 hours and smehow none joine 3 hours before
14:33 Krock agh typos
14:33 LemonLake Hm
14:33 LemonLake Well I was on
14:33 LemonLake I was testing out android multiplayer, but it was really laggy
14:33 Krock k
14:34 Krock w_laenger, ?id=2558 is a single-node larger chest
14:34 w_laenger http://i.imgur.com/SS5L9nE.png this may be used for tunnels
14:34 LemonLake that's pretty cool
14:34 Krock is that a tree generation thingie?
14:34 w_laenger Krock, ok, I haven't tested it
14:35 w_laenger it's not made with the L-system
14:35 Krock w_laenger, but I did now. It makes the chestinventory larger by ~4 rows
14:35 Krock not?
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14:35 w_laenger https://github.com/HybridDog/miscellane​ous/blob/master/txt/luas/net_noise.lua
14:35 Krock uh.. I could add such tunnels with a perlin noise in my mapgen
14:36 w_laenger it's not a perlin noise
14:36 Krock perlin noise would look a bit more natural
14:37 w_laenger tunnels shouldn't look natural, I think
14:37 Krock hmm
14:37 LemonLake they should have multiple stages
14:37 LemonLake cave-based, straight along with square turns and net-based
14:38 w_laenger maybe use the code of the maze mod for it too
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14:38 LemonLake yeah
14:38 w_laenger made by Echo
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14:53 Piggybear87 I get more than 1000 of lines that look exactly like this with different numbers at the end.
14:53 Piggybear87 10:41:48: ERROR[main]: FileCache: Can't write to file at /home/piggybear87/minetest-minetest​-282f53d/bin/../cache/media/5ca3f9c​b83221312d69b13eb45145e46b754a786
14:54 Krock Piggybear87, missing privileges?
14:54 Piggybear87 That means my 20 minute wait to get on Landrush was for nothing. I'm going to have to wait that long from now on...
14:54 Krock 20 minutes? uh
14:54 Piggybear87 Krock, no. I'm superuser.
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14:55 Piggybear87 Yes, because Minetest is broke after the newest git.
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14:55 Krock LemonLake, server downtime at Tuesday, Wednesday and Thursday
14:56 Piggybear87 OldCoder, updated to the latest git 2 days ago and I havn't been able to connect because I gave up after 10 minutes.
14:56 Krock I'd give up after 3mins
14:56 jp__ Hello. When you did a mistake (misplacing or something) with WorldEdit, there is a command which cancel an action (like "/rollback") ?
14:56 Krock Hello and no
14:56 jp__ Ok, thanks.
14:56 Krock shit happens - use backups
14:57 jp__ I will request to sfan5 to add that...
14:57 Piggybear87 I know, I usually do also, but they insisted that I give it time, so I did, Now that I cannot write to the cache, I have to wait that long every time.
14:57 * PenguinDad doesn't like OOP
14:57 w_laenger there's already a request
14:57 jp__ Ah !
14:57 Krock Piggybear87, run it as administarator :P
14:58 Piggybear87 I am superuser. As soon as I launch Terminal, I -su.
14:58 OldCoder Piggybear87, not following; didn't you indicate you could connect last night?
14:59 Krock -su virus
14:59 OldCoder And it appears that 5 to 10 minutes is a minimum for connect the first time
14:59 w_laenger su rm -r /
14:59 Piggybear87 I connected to minerealms, not Landrush.
14:59 OldCoder The only solution I can see is to bundle cache with client
14:59 Krock (first time!)
14:59 OldCoder Piggybear87, 10 minutes should get you into Landrush
14:59 OldCoder BTW congrats on the successful build last night
15:00 Piggybear87 I got in after 20 minutes of waiting and now theres no cache, so I have to do it every time I want to connect.
15:00 OldCoder There should be a cache
15:00 PenguinDad w_laenger: it's su -c "rm --no-preserve-root -r /"
15:00 Piggybear87 10:41:48: ERROR[main]: FileCache: Can't write to file at /home/piggybear87/minetest-minetest​-282f53d/bin/../cache/media/5ca3f9c​b83221312d69b13eb45145e46b754a786
15:00 sfan5 Megaf_: only the 64bit build supports directx
15:00 Piggybear87 I got more that 1000 of these.
15:00 sfan5 and only the newer ones
15:00 Piggybear87 Brb.
15:01 OldCoder Interesting; create a cache folder. Does it work then?
15:01 w_laenger PenguinDad, ok, you've got more experience with this
15:01 OldCoder mkdir cache in the same directory where you did make
15:01 OldCoder Folks, I need to take my car for service. If he returns, will people try to help him set up the cache without more talk of rm -r / ?
15:02 Krock rm *.*
15:02 OldCoder That is for DOS and Windows
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15:02 OldCoder What he needs is mkdir cache
15:02 Krock ik
15:02 OldCoder asl, moin
15:02 OldCoder rm -fr Krock
15:02 OldCoder Krock, be useful
15:02 Krock fr?
15:02 asl hi
15:02 OldCoder Standard switches
15:02 OldCoder asl, let me know how things go
15:02 OldCoder I am away for car service but I did work a lot on all of this yesterday
15:03 Piggybear87 OldCoder, There IS a cache folder.
15:03 OldCoder And it's empty?
15:03 OldCoder cd into the folder
15:03 OldCoder and do pwd
15:03 OldCoder Indicate the output
15:03 asl piggybear: still unable to connect?
15:03 sfan5 it's client/cache btw
15:03 Krock Command rm not found
15:03 Krock lol
15:03 sfan5 uh no
15:03 OldCoder sfan5, note his error message
15:03 OldCoder /home/piggybear87/minetest-minetest​-282f53d/bin/../cache/media/5ca3f9c​b83221312d69b13eb45145e46b754a786
15:03 sfan5 it's just cache
15:03 OldCoder Indeed
15:03 w_laenger rm -fr Krock; mv OldCoder Krock
15:03 * sfan5 flips w_laenger
15:04 OldCoder Piggybear87, I g2g. Please do the pwd.
15:04 OldCoder w_laenger, moin
15:04 w_laenger hi
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15:04 OldCoder I do not wish to become Krock w_laenger
15:04 OldCoder The mv command does not quite fit
15:04 OldCoder Piggybear87, we will help if possible. Are you still here?
15:04 w_laenger ok
15:04 Krock Der Befehl "mv" ist entweder falsch geschrieben oder konnte nicht gefunden werden.
15:05 Piggybear87 I'm getting what you asked for.
15:05 OldCoder Krock, aim for more on-topic, please
15:05 Krock I'm on-topic
15:05 w_laenger mv: Fehlendes Dateioperand
15:05 w_laenger „mv --help“ gibt weitere Informationen.
15:05 Krock ^
15:05 Krock ontopic too
15:05 OldCoder Krock, we had a difficult time here two years ago. To be clear, we aren't going back to those days.
15:05 OldCoder I will illustrate with a brief ban if necessary.
15:05 Piggybear87 Nothing happens OldCoder.
15:06 OldCoder pwd prints what?
15:06 Piggybear87 Nothing, it just goes to a new line.
15:06 Krock OldCoder, what do you mean by "two years ago"? I wasn't here these times...sooo
15:06 OldCoder I think you're dealing with a deleted directory
15:06 OldCoder pwd prints... nothing?
15:06 asl wouldn't it be ls instead of pwd?
15:06 OldCoder Krock, exactrly
15:06 OldCoder No; pwd
15:06 OldCoder Piggybear87, cd && pwd
15:06 OldCoder What does that print?
15:06 OldCoder * exactly
15:07 Krock eh
15:07 Piggybear87 It is ls...
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15:07 w_laenger i=1; while true; do; sudo kill $i; i=(($i+1)); done
15:07 OldCoder Krock, the world involves a balance between chaos and order. Too much of either is undesirable. Keep this in mind.
15:07 Piggybear87 This is what I get for pwd /home/piggybear87/minetest-m​inetest-282f53d/cache/media
15:08 asl oh, pwd return current dir?
15:08 OldCoder asl, prints it; not returns it
15:08 OldCoder Now...
15:08 Krock OldCoder, yeah I know that
15:08 OldCoder You have lots of error messages of the sort indicated above, Piggybear87 ?
15:08 w_laenger pwd returns it?
15:08 Piggybear87 Yes.
15:08 OldCoder /home/piggybear87/minetest-minetest​-282f53d/bin/../cache/media/5ca3f9c​b83221312d69b13eb45145e46b754a786
15:08 OldCoder Is the cache/media subfolder empty?
15:09 Piggybear87 No, definatly not.
15:09 OldCoder But you have 1000s of errors
15:09 OldCoder Do this
15:09 OldCoder df -k .
15:09 w_laenger If I use print(os.execute("pwd")) it returns true
15:09 OldCoder What does it print?
15:09 OldCoder w_laenger, this is because pwd returns 0 or 1
15:09 w_laenger ok
15:09 OldCoder at the exit status level
15:10 w_laenger can I somehow get the printed text with lua?
15:10 OldCoder Return value is separate from printed output
15:10 Piggybear87 OldCoder,  pm
15:10 OldCoder Yes; at least you can with most languages
15:10 OldCoder Piggybear87, kk
15:10 OldCoder w_laenger, I'm late for car service but can comment more later
15:10 w_laenger how?
15:10 w_laenger ok
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15:18 Megaf_ This would be a very good board to run minetest server http://www.newegg.com/Product/Pr​oduct.aspx?Item=N82E16813157513
15:23 sfan5 yes it probably would
15:24 Eater4 Megaf_: did you look at a raspberry pi?
15:24 sfan5 I saw exactly that board on a different site one week ago
15:24 kaeza w_laenger, local pwd = assert(os.popen("pwd")):read("*a")
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15:25 w_laenger thanks
15:27 w_laenger os.popen is a nil value
15:28 kaeza err... it's io.popen
15:29 w_laenger print(assert(io.popen("echo i")):read("*a")) so?
15:30 kaeza yes
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15:31 w_laenger does the terminal mod use this?
15:32 PenguinDad w_laenger: the terminal mod uses os.execute IIRC
15:32 w_laenger ok
15:34 w_laenger what is " > " good for?
15:37 w_laenger can I somehow send information to a client on a server with lua?
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15:38 w_laenger I think a function to play music could be added to minetest without storing this music into media.
15:38 Jordach afternoons
15:40 w_laenger ̣̣̣
15:40 w_laenger I tried to use � as variable.
15:41 w_laenger Do you want to see my newest construction?
15:41 kaeza what is that?
15:43 LemonLake I feel like making some sort of plant mod or food mod but there are so many
15:44 LemonLake At one point I actually thought about making a drugs mod but kids play this game so that wouldn't be good
15:44 PenguinDad LemonLake: make fictional food
15:44 LemonLake Hmm
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15:44 LemonLake What theme?
15:44 TenPlus1 Hi folks...
15:45 Piggybear87 How do you trash something from the Terminal?
15:45 LemonLake rm -f
15:45 PenguinDad Piggybear87: rm
15:46 TenPlus1 am adding a cobweb node and was wondering if there is a way to slow users down when walking through it ???
15:46 Piggybear87 So "rm -f <file>"?
15:46 LemonLake Mhm
15:46 Piggybear87 Thanks.
15:47 Piggybear87 rm: cannot remove ‘/home/piggybear87/minetest-minetest-282f53d’: Is a directory
15:47 LemonLake rm -rf
15:47 LemonLake -r is recursive
15:47 w_laenger kaeza, a random unicode letter
15:47 PilzAdam sudo rm -rf /*
15:47 Jordach .E
15:47 Jordach LELELELELELELELEL
15:48 * kaeza slaps PilzAdam
15:48 * kaeza slaps Jordach too just because
15:48 Piggybear87 Got it. Thanks. For some reason I couldn't right-click and trash it...
15:48 * PilzAdam gallops away
15:49 * Piggybear87 thinks PilzAdam is a brony...
15:49 Jordach isn't that Calinou in disguise
15:49 Jordach fucking transformers shit right there
15:49 Jordach turning that 3v into 12v
15:49 kaeza dat language
15:50 PilzAdam not sure if brony.... or pony.jpg
15:50 * Piggybear87 can't stand ponies.... Except real ones...
15:51 * PenguinDad is watching MLP right now
15:51 Piggybear87 Grrr...
15:52 * Jordach is actually hungry
15:52 TenPlus1 which part of the liquid attributes in water_source slows down the user when walking through ???
15:52 * TenPlus1 gives Jordach a Tesco meal with real pony inside
15:53 PilzAdam TenPlus1, viscosity
15:53 LemonLake How is vegetarian meat made? Please explain, me dum
15:53 * w_laenger gives Jordach https://forum.minetest.net​/download/file.php?id=574
15:53 TenPlus1 PilzAdam: I've set liquid_viscosity and groups = {liquid=3) and it wont work
15:54 PilzAdam TenPlus1, it only works on liquids
15:54 PilzAdam setting the group liquid has no effect
15:54 PilzAdam you have to set liquid_type and the other liquid attributes
15:54 TenPlus1 I put the liquidtype = "source" and it worked then, but bringing up setnode() errors...
15:54 TenPlus1 no other way to slow a user down walking through a node ?
15:55 Piggybear87 Why would purge not be found?
15:55 PilzAdam thats because you haven't set the liquid_alternetive_flowing field
15:55 Piggybear87 I used it yesterday.
15:55 Jordach w_laenger, eh?
15:55 w_laenger LemonLake, http://www.epinions.com/content_5155496068?sb=1
15:56 TenPlus1 sweet, thanks PilzAdam ... that worked...
15:56 LemonLake w_laenger: tldr
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15:58 TenPlus1 lol, maybe not...  I broke a cobweb and it started flowing all over... hah
15:58 nman3600 Krock can i talk to you via Query a second?
15:59 nman3600 oh he's not here
15:59 LemonLake nman3600: how is your legel
15:59 nman3600 LemonLake fine
16:00 Piggybear87 purge : command not found. I don't get it...
16:01 w_laenger my world has more grass than yours I think https://github.com/HybridDog/grass
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16:06 LemonLake What can the koneki debugger do?
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16:10 w_laenger am I the only one who uses the ambience mod now?
16:11 Calinou you're the only one who actually hears the sounds – everyone else disabled their sound as it was too annoying. ;)
16:12 w_laenger ok
16:12 LemonLake wtf
16:12 LemonLake eclipse looks messed up
16:15 Piggybear87 Nevermind, I forgot apt-get... I'm dumd...
16:15 Piggybear87 LOL! Dumb*
16:15 Calinou in 14.04, you can do “apt”
16:16 TenPlus1 w_laenger: I use it on Xanadu server as well, great mod...
16:16 kaeza dumd == dum daemon?
16:16 Calinou sudo apt update; sudo apt dist-upgrade; sudo apt install minetest; sudo apt remove minetest; apt show Minetest
16:16 Calinou no capital at last Minetest, oops
16:17 w_laenger TenPlus1, yes, maybe I could increase the performance a bit
16:17 TenPlus1 w_laenger: Ambiance mod (server edition) is a lot smaller and skips the music part...
16:18 w_laenger yes
16:18 kaeza ambience should really be client-side
16:18 kaeza :<
16:18 w_laenger "I think a function to play music could be added to minetest without storing this music into media."
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16:18 TenPlus1 it would be easy enough to add it into Minetest itself.... using all of your own sound packs etc...#
16:19 Piggybear87 Why the eff is there still a LOT of things with minetest in the name after I remove, purge, and autoremove?
16:19 kaeza w_laenger, afaik, you are able to store sounds into minetest/sounds/ and the server can tell the client to play them
16:19 w_laenger how?
16:19 kaeza s/you are able/you can/
16:20 w_laenger is this function added yet?
16:20 kaeza IIRC yes
16:20 TenPlus1 not as yet...  the mod checks for certain blocks around it and what time of day it is, then plays the appropriate sound
16:20 kaeza you just need the code on the server side, and the sounds installed client-side
16:21 w_laenger so I could store the music of the ambience to .minetest/sounds?
16:21 TenPlus1 pretty much, yeah... and if ambiance is looking for a specific filename it'll load it from that directory 1st
16:21 kaeza yes, and only install the actual code of the mod in the server
16:22 w_laenger thanks
16:22 Krock <kaeza>w_laenger, afaik, you are able to store sounds..
16:22 Krock Forum missing: Sound Packs
16:22 Krock :)
16:23 kaeza Krock, 302 xyz
16:23 TenPlus1 I still wish Minetest would use .mod extensions also for music... they are a lot smaller than .ogg music files
16:23 Krock kaeza, 200
16:23 kaeza :P
16:23 Krock ^^
16:23 w_laenger and .it and .midi
16:23 Krock .rmi
16:24 Piggybear87 Is there a special order to add the cmake options, or can I just add them when I find ones I want?
16:24 w_laenger with the connected glass clean glass looks much cleaner
16:24 Krock hmm..there's dirty glass missing
16:25 TenPlus1 w_laenger: which mod ? am using framedglass for connected coloured glass
16:25 Krock Piggybear87, settings are settings. order is irrelevant
16:25 Piggybear87 10-4
16:25 Krock s/order/sort
16:25 kaeza you got it right the first time
16:25 w_laenger the connected_textures mod
16:26 TenPlus1 hrm, gotta check that one out... sounds interesting
16:26 Vazon Piggybear87 if you join now i can grant you your privs
16:26 kaeza join now! only 4.99!
16:26 * kaeza runs
16:26 Piggybear87 Do I put a comma or anything to seperate the options? Ir just a space?
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16:26 Piggybear87 Vazon, I'm making a new client atm.
16:27 kaeza aaaanyway, I'm running out of energy
16:27 kaeza off to bed -->
16:27 Krock hmm not sure if I could run the minetest + -server on one PC without risking a server crash
16:27 Jordach Jordach.cooking_skill = Jordach.cooking_skill + 1
16:27 * asl like .midi :D
16:27 Krock +s
16:27 kaeza +1
16:27 Krock Jordach, made some pancakes?
16:27 TenPlus1 lol
16:28 Krock Jordach.cooking_skill = 9000
16:28 Jordach Krock, made a lovely Chicken Korma with Pilau rice
16:28 Krock Jordach, ooh YUMMY
16:28 Krock Jordach.cooking_skill += 1
16:28 Piggybear87 Anyone? I know you all know... Lol.
16:29 Krock Piggybear87, what do I know?
16:29 Piggybear87 How do I space cmake options? Just a space, a comma, a slash?
16:29 Krock hmm I used \n when I tried to compile them
16:29 TenPlus1 bye folks...
16:29 Krock bye 10+1
16:30 PilzAdam print(Jordach.cooking_skill)
16:30 MinetestBot -12
16:30 Krock 9001
16:30 Krock lol
16:30 w_laenger just a
16:30 w_laenger but I don't know exatly
16:31 Vazon ok Piggybear
16:31 Krock print(4096 - PilzAdam.forum_posts)
16:31 MinetestBot no
16:32 Krock y no?
16:32 w_laenger when I'm sleeping my dreams about minetest are weird
16:32 Krock print(y no)
16:33 Krock w_laenger, I know those nightmares when ponies destroy the voxel based twin towers
16:33 w_laenger no, the pony didn't join the game
16:34 Krock did it time out? or was it conneciton reset by peer?
16:34 * Piggybear87 wishies there was a way to self compile with his options, and still be able to use software updater to update Minetest.
16:34 w_laenger imagine you're building on your singleplayer world and suddenly someone joins the game
16:34 Krock Piggybear87, I'd like to compile too :(
16:35 w_laenger and this person starts grieving
16:35 Piggybear87 Why don't you?
16:35 Krock Piggybear87, ask that the 1337 errors
16:35 Krock w_laenger, uh not nice. must be a very bad nightmare
16:35 Piggybear87 Did you follow the readme?
16:36 Krock Piggybear87, readme?
16:36 Piggybear87 https://github.com/minetest/minetest all the way at the bottom.
16:36 w_laenger yes, there were a lot of people joining that I wasn't longer able to kick them
16:36 Krock ./ctcp Krock version
16:37 w_laenger and they used the rocked launcher, which doesn't use minetest.is_protected yet, to destroy my buildings
16:37 w_laenger bye
16:38 Krock Piggybear87, followed such a guide like 1000000000 times. (okay a bit too high number - just showing up, it was many times)
16:38 Krock gonna try it the 1000000001 time in 4 days
16:39 Piggybear87 I have no problems with that readme.
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16:40 Krock Piggybear87, Linux 3.13.0-29-generic, that's your antiproblem
16:41 Piggybear87 It doesn't have an OS for you.
16:41 Piggybear87 What does the option USE_GPROF do?
16:42 Krock WINNT32 5.1 && 6
16:42 Krock Enable profiling using GProf
16:42 Krock ^ Piggybear87
16:42 Piggybear87 What does that do?
16:42 Krock no idea :3
16:42 Krock maybe some debug things
16:42 asl that's a profiler setting iirc
16:42 Krock omg srsly
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16:43 Krock Ih Ydrawnebur
16:43 Piggybear87 asl, What does it do? Lol.
16:43 asl it should be off if you don't use it
16:43 asl https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/P​rofiling_(computer_programming)
16:43 Krock diagnostics
16:44 Piggybear87 OK, don't need it.
16:44 Piggybear87 asl, You self compile, correct?
16:44 asl yup
16:44 asl i just `cmake -DCMAKE_BUILD_TYPE=Release -DENABLE_CURL=1 -DENABLE_FREETYPE=1 -DENABLE_GETTEXT=1 -DENABLE_GLES=1 -DENABLE_SOUND=1 -DRUN_IN_PLACE=0` then `make` then `su` then finally `make install`
16:44 Krock linux user ^
16:44 rubenwardy I hate how you can not jump and place blocks below you
16:45 rubenwardy and, Hi All!
16:45 Krock <Krock>Ih Ydrawnebur
16:45 asl lol, reverse
16:46 Krock omg that speed
16:46 asl i used to reading in reverse, it isn't that hard tbh
16:47 Krock Woh Emoc?
16:48 Piggybear87 Does this look OK?
16:48 Piggybear87 cmake . -DRUN_IN_PLACE=1 DENABLE_CURL=1 DENABLE_FREETYPE=1 DENABLE_LEVELDB=1 DENABLE_SOUND=1 -DCMAKE_BUILD_TYPE=Release DBUILD_CLIENT=1 DBUILD_SERVER=1
16:48 PilzAdam Piggybear87, you are missing some - there
16:48 Piggybear87 I see that now. Lol.
16:48 Piggybear87 But other than that?
16:48 Krock Piggybear87, sound is useless on server
16:48 Krock wait
16:48 Piggybear87 But I'm making a client also.
16:48 Krock client too
16:48 Krock nvm
16:49 PilzAdam Krock, sound is not useless on client
16:49 Krock PilzAdam, I haven't read it all - saw it just now
16:49 PilzAdam yes
16:49 PilzAdam I'm still making fun of you for not being able to read
16:49 Krock read...what?
16:50 asl you don't need to type the last two, the build client/server
16:50 Piggybear87 other than the - is everything correct? I've never done this with options.
16:50 Piggybear87 OK.
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16:50 Krock on forums, everything which has more than 20 lines to read is counted as TL;DR
16:50 Krock ^ general speedup reading forums
16:51 PilzAdam Piggybear87, the last 4 options you have there are the default values
16:51 * sfan5 meows at Krock
16:51 * Krock meows at sfan5
16:51 Piggybear87 leveldb isn't default.
16:51 Krock eh
16:52 Krock counting plz
16:52 PilzAdam ^
16:53 Piggybear87 Last 4 are freetype, leveldb, sound, and built type.
16:53 Krock We're talking about your message you sent here
16:53 Krock <Piggybear87> cmake . -DRUN_IN_PLACE=1 DENABLE_CURL=1 DENABLE_FREETYPE=1 DENABLE_LEVELDB=1 DENABLE_SOUND=1 -DCMAKE_BUILD_TYPE=Release DBUILD_CLIENT=1 DBUILD_SERVER=1
16:53 asl lol
16:54 Piggybear87 Oh. I forgot I didn't copy/paste the updated one.
16:54 Krock ^
16:54 Piggybear87 Whelp, hitting enter. Let's see what happens...
16:55 PilzAdam a CMakeCache.txt gets generated
16:55 Piggybear87 Now the wait...
16:55 PilzAdam you can change all the options inside that too
16:55 Piggybear87 Oh. Didn't know that.
16:55 * Krock points at http*://*paste*.* for messages.Split('n').Length > 4
16:56 PilzAdam Krock, why not http?://
16:56 Krock PilzAdam, cuz not real regex
16:57 Krock confict with http*://google.*/?search=*
16:57 Krock ^ PilzAdam
16:58 Krock s/?search/search?q=
16:58 Krock such code
16:58 PilzAdam https://ixquick.com/do/search?query=  is easier
16:59 PilzAdam also you should always use https if available
16:59 * Krock slaps PilzAdam with duckduckgo
16:59 Krock not all https are really secure
16:59 * Krock points at bleadbeed (ignore typos)
16:59 * PilzAdam slaps Krock with http://3g2upl4pq6kufc4m.onion/
17:00 * Krock slaps PilzAdam with Der Server unter www.3g2upl4pq6kufc4m.onion konnte nicht gefunden werden.
17:00 * PilzAdam slaps Krock with The Onion Router
17:00 Piggybear87 All this violence!
17:00 * Krock slaps PilzAdam with classic modem/router connection
17:01 * PilzAdam ???
17:01 * Krock ?!
17:01 Piggybear87 The slapping.
17:01 PilzAdam https://ixquick.com/do/sea​rch?query=The+Onion+Router
17:01 * Krock slaps Piggybear87 for not slapping
17:01 * asl slaps Krock with next.duckduckgo
17:02 * Krock slaps PilzAdam with ,04TL;DR
17:02 Piggybear87 http://www.trade2win.com/boards/attachmen​ts/first-steps/147678d1350597443-official​-question-slap-goptions-thread-slap.jpg
17:02 khonkhortisan cool special character highlighting
17:02 khonkhortisan Only some operating systems use TL;DR as a line ending. Most use just TL or DR.
17:02 * Krock slaps ,13khonkhortisan
17:02 khonkhortisan aah, purple!
17:03 * Krock gives khonkhortisan nr
17:04 khonkhortisan LF+CR (Acorn BBC and RISC OS) appears to be dead.
17:05 * Krock gives khonkhortisan a MS-DOS 7.11 floppy
17:07 Piggybear87 I think I did something wrong. It's compiling faster than normal..
17:07 asl lol, why is that something wrong?
17:07 khonkhortisan Maybe you changed one of the last files to compile, instead of one of the first
17:08 Piggybear87 Like maybe I forgot something.
17:08 asl did you make clean before make?
17:08 Piggybear87 Huh?
17:08 khonkhortisan It's wrong because you can't do this http://xkcd.com/303/
17:08 Krock Piggybear87, don't worry. be happy
17:08 Krock +1
17:09 Piggybear87 khonkhortisan, Lmfao.
17:09 asl `make clean` clear the files from the last time you build
17:10 Piggybear87 Did not know I had to do that.
17:10 asl if you didn't clean, it will reuse the old/outdated files from the last build
17:10 Piggybear87 So I just eff up my build?
17:10 khonkhortisan Sometimes an update will break something that requires a make clean to fix
17:10 asl maybe
17:11 * khonkhortisan waves his hands at asl
17:11 Piggybear87 If it did, I'm gonna use Windows laatest on Wine. I give up compiling...
17:11 Piggybear87 Latest*
17:11 asl just make clean then make again lol
17:11 Krock this lol too http://xkcd.com/737/
17:12 khonkhortisan eew
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17:13 Calinou it's take-sounds-from-OpenArena-for-use-in-Carbone time!
17:13 * Calinou opens archive manager
17:14 Krock http://xkcd.com/94/
17:14 PilzAdam Krock, thanks for playing the random button on xkcd for us
17:14 Krock PilzAdam, np.
17:15 khonkhortisan oh THAT random button
17:15 Piggybear87 Gotta run for a bit. Bye.
17:15 khonkhortisan Be careful with that, there're some bad ones in there.
17:19 Krock Krock.Web("xkcd.com").Random() -> http://xkcd.com/945/
17:22 Megaf_ Hi LazyJ, any idea o how to change default LevelDB options?
17:22 Megaf_ on how*
17:24 Krock wow: http://xkcd.com/681_large/
17:25 Tesseract require'socket.http'.request('http://xkcd.com/'..math.random(1, 1337))
17:25 LazyJ Megaf_, sorrr, I don't have a clue.
17:25 Tesseract ^ That should fetch a random xkcd article.
17:25 Megaf_ LazyJ: heh, me neither
17:25 Tesseract <3 Lua(Socket)
17:25 Calinou heh, ShadowNinja using the name Tesseract again
17:26 Krock */#@+# Lua(Socket)
17:26 * Tesseract stabs Krock
17:26 * Krock gives R
17:26 Krock eh
17:26 Krock enter came too early
17:27 LazyJ Time to reboot.
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17:37 LemonLake to much protocol
17:43 Calinou 999 rats, 35-40 FPS with good settings: https://cdn.mediacru.sh/WYhmYyfyxOp-.jpg
17:43 Calinou (-:
17:44 Krock <3 http://xkcd.com/627/
17:44 Krock Calinou, lucky you. I could dream of having _not_ a system freeze
17:45 Krock but eww, they're dirty
17:46 rubenwardy !title https://gist.github.com/rubenwardy/5504537
17:46 MinetestBot rubenwardy: Craft recipe checker for Minetest
17:47 Megaf_ I'm wondering, would it me too hard to make the players head follow mouse input?
17:48 rubenwardy See forum topics
17:49 rubenwardy https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=edzDAH6-WQU
17:49 Calinou Megaf_, you mean, visible pitch in third person?
17:49 Calinou players would need to send their pitch: fairly large C++ change
17:49 Calinou Krock, successfully ran clearobjects in 1-2 miniutes
17:49 Calinou minutes*
17:49 Megaf_ Calinou: I mean, head will move according to where the player is looking
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17:49 Calinou game uses 400MB of RAM
17:49 Calinou Megaf_, vertically? then see what I said…
17:50 Calinou horizontally? why?
17:50 Megaf_ both, like in MC :)
17:50 Tesseract Megaf_: kaeza did that with a mod.  But it used loads of network and was jumpy becuase Irrlicht was missing a needed feature.
17:51 Megaf_ hm
17:52 Calinou Megaf_, horizontal would be very complicated, you would likely need to separate head and body models
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17:54 Tesseract Megaf_: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=edzDAH6-WQU
17:54 Krock Calinou, 1.5 mins for 1000 objects? that's slow when you've got 40FPS
17:54 Tesseract The previous tries are very funny.  ;-)
17:55 Calinou Krock, I didn't measure exact time
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17:58 Calinou found a way to make 3D torches that work well
17:59 asie woo!
17:59 Krock asie, need an adventure? do it like those guys: http://xkcd.com/461/
17:59 Mikerhinos hi
18:00 asie Krock: nah
18:00 asie making gnupod work with my music collection was enough of an adventure
18:00 Calinou hi asie
18:01 asie hi Calinou
18:02 Mikerhinos spent a week on Rust, now back on MT, because I'm tired of bugs and immature players :)
18:03 Megaf_ Tesseract: that kinda works
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18:03 john_minetest Hello everypony
18:03 Calinou Mikerhinos, try latest Carbone :D
18:03 Calinou hi john_minetest
18:03 Calinou tons of new stuff
18:04 Calinou (and I'm doing cosmetic changes right now)
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18:09 PilzAdam D: imgs.xkcd.com is down
18:11 PilzAdam *was
18:13 john_minetest http://xkcd.com/1379/
18:14 john_minetest Let's produce more CO2
18:14 PenguinDad http://xkcd.com/1056/ lol
18:14 * Jordach wonders why they don't make double bladed windmills
18:14 john_minetest I want to have a mallorca-esque southpole.
18:14 john_minetest Jordach: There are double-bladed windmills.
18:15 Jordach that have the normal Y shape at front, and an upside down Y at the back
18:15 Jordach making a total of six blades for less space
18:15 john_minetest oh, that
18:15 john_minetest I think there are some problems.
18:15 john_minetest a windmill slows down the air by 60%.
18:16 john_minetest That would mean, that a windmill blade directly next to it would only get 60% of the power it should get
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18:16 john_minetest (I don't know if there are other aerodynamic effects of two wings so close to each other but I guess it could also be a reason)
18:17 john_minetest In addition to that, windmills need huge generators. More power means bigger generators. Cooling is a problem now and it won't go away when there is more power or an additional generator.
18:20 john_minetest All in all I think, that two times a pole of concrete, a generator and a wheel with 100% power would be more efficient, cheaper and easier than a pole of concrete, an extremely complicated generator with cooling and two wheels that bring only 140% of the power that could be reached.
18:20 john_minetest (I miscalculated before, of course 100% wind - 60% first wheel only leaves 40% for the second one)
18:31 Jordach john_minetest, i didn't mean a pole a mill
18:31 Jordach i meant literally one behind the first
18:31 Jordach normal windmill with a longer nose
18:32 Vazon !up oldcoder.org 30012
18:32 MinetestBot oldcoder.org:30012 seems to be down
18:38 Krock A must-have-seen: http://what-if.xkcd.com/55/
18:38 john_minetest Jordach: What kind of windmill? A netherland-esque one?
18:40 Calinou finally got 3D torches one
18:41 Calinou wasn't easy ;)
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18:49 Krock "1.875 terawatts is like a house-sized stack of TNT going off every second." - xkcd
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18:58 PenguinDad https://soundcloud.com/glitchhop/k-theory-things-​i-like-to-do-tut-tut-child-remix-edmcom-premiere <3
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19:05 Piggybear87 Back.
19:06 Piggybear87 Is there any way to speed up mapgen (without buying a new machine)?
19:06 WindHero hmm
19:07 Piggybear87 I thought LevelDB would help, but it's about the same speed.
19:07 WindHero reduce other calculations going on at the same time
19:07 Piggybear87 Like what?
19:07 WindHero have nothing else open, and have the graphics settings real low
19:07 WindHero like, 2D clouds, non-smooth lighting
19:08 PenguinDad Piggybear87: try singlenode mapgen :P
19:08 WindHero rofl
19:08 Piggybear87 No... Lol. And most of my setting ARE the low ones.
19:09 WindHero ouch
19:09 WindHero what is your mapgen time?
19:10 Piggybear87 I don't know how to tell, I just know I run into unloaded chunk walls constantly.
19:11 WindHero what mods are installed?
19:11 WindHero ABMs and other modifiers active will all have to finish before mapgen starts loading new chunks
19:12 PenguinDad Cool I get Serialization Errors on Krock's Server https://dpaste.de/Q9SM
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19:12 Piggybear87 Quite a few, but none are running (they are activated, but I haven't placed anything).
19:13 jp____ Hello again. I search a solution to rotate a WorldEdit's position, but it doesn't work with the screwdriver : http://i.imgur.com/ieAY8Gp.jpg
19:13 jp____ Anyone can help me plz ?
19:14 Calinou hi jp____ :)
19:14 Calinou there's //rotate command
19:14 Calinou /rotate <axis> <angle>: Rotate the current WorldEdit selection around the <axis> by angle <angle> (90 degree increment)
19:15 jp____ "//rotate" is only when pos1 & pos2 are placed...
19:15 jp____ (but not sure)
19:16 jp____ Yes, I confirm : we have to select a region to use //rotate.
19:16 jp____ So : pos1 and pos2 placed.
19:16 Calinou place both //pos1 and pos2
19:16 jp____ I only want the pos1 rotated.
19:17 jp____ It will more easier...
19:17 PenguinDad //rotate doesn't do facedir rotations IIRC
19:17 jp____ I can't so ?
19:18 Calinou you need to specify what you rotate: that's why you need 2 points and not just one
19:18 WindHero ...minetest.rotate()?
19:19 jp____ I have to import a big structure and pay attention to roads/buildings... not easy with two positions.
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19:43 RealNero Ello
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19:44 RealNero Fine ignore me, gosh
19:44 * nman3600 has returned
19:44 RealNero wb
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19:49 Sokomine schematics can be rotated as well. that's very helpful
19:50 Sokomine btw...regarding the question about village names i posted...which names do village names follow in your respective countries?
19:50 Sokomine (that is, if you happen to have villages)
19:50 nman3600 Sokomine Hi didn't realize you were not idle :-)
19:52 Sokomine i was building. when i do so, i seldom manage to read the chat in time. so hi over here :-)
19:52 jp____ You build where, Sokomine ?
19:53 nman3600 Who wants to hear my new forum signature?
19:55 Calinou hear?
19:55 Sokomine jp: it's a building in progress on krocks server. the server is down in the evening/at night, so it's a slow process. i love the darkage sandstonebrick texture it has
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19:56 nman3600 Calinou: Well who wants to know my new forum signature
19:56 nman3600 either check my forum user or ask me and i'll say here
19:58 Sokomine any snowy regions available? it's still so hot here :-(
19:58 nman3600 Sokomine go to the north pole
19:58 nman3600 My new forum signature is: It's really rude to talk while i'm interrupting
19:58 jp____ Ok, I will take a look soon ;)
19:59 Sokomine and if your interruption is interrupted? :)
19:59 Calinou making items sink slowly in water :D
19:59 nman3600 i'd say It's really rude to interrupt while i'm interrupting
20:00 jp____ Stop ganja.
20:01 Firebat Does this cool project risk being lawsuited by Mojang?
20:01 sfan5 Firebat: why would it?
20:01 nman3600 sfan5: meow
20:01 Firebat I don't know, I read about it on a forum and someone replied it could happen.
20:02 nman3600 Firebat: It bloody better not be.
20:02 Firebat I hope so. :)
20:02 nman3600 Minetest is the closest to minecraft I can get.
20:03 PilzAdam Firebat, yes, they can sue us for using blocks
20:03 PilzAdam Mojang has a patent on blocks
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20:03 nman3600 PilzAdam That's the stupidest thing to sue someone for lol
20:03 sfan5 <PilzAdam> Mojang has a patent on blocks
20:03 sfan5 :D
20:04 * Sokomine throws a free irony-detector at nman :-)
20:05 nman3600 If anyone has a suggestion for my pretty much dead mod "multitest" (no one cares about it) Join #multitest or put it in the comment bit on my mod (I am trying not to advertise but I really don't want multitest to die because i've gave up on all my other mods)
20:06 nman3600 Woo, That took a while to type!
20:07 Sokomine what does multitest do again?
20:08 Calinou item sinking speed is exactly the same as player sinking speed, in water :D
20:08 nman3600 Sokomine: At the moment it adds shears and decoration blocks a bit like in Darkage.
20:12 jp____ Question about WE : when you 9 nodes aligned, how do to copy these 9 nodes until 100 nodes on x axis ? Because when I try "//copy x 100", these 9 nodes are copied *only* 100 nodes further on the axis, and not 0 to 100.
20:12 jp____ when you have*
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20:18 nman3600 hi i'm back
20:18 Calinou https://mediacru.sh/wXWaBQaeM-jw
20:20 * nman3600 is currently not on his pc
20:22 Calinou hi nman3600
20:23 * sfan5 meows at nman3600
20:23 sfan5 Calinou: that block is too big IMO
20:24 Calinou I was very close to it
20:25 Calinou https://mediacru.sh/LG5tVssz2yVh
20:25 Calinou 3D torches ^
20:26 Calinou uses wallmounted nodebox, 1 texture for top, 1 texture for bottom, 1 texture for sides (for all torches)
20:30 nore jp____, //stack x 100
20:30 jp____ Great :) Thanks alot !
20:34 Jordach hey PilzAdam https://forum.minetest.net/vi​ewtopic.php?p=144307#p144307
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20:37 Jordach Piggybear87, check yer topic
20:38 Calinou found a better way to make items behave in water… they float around :d
20:39 Jordach WTF
20:40 Jordach why is my keyboard in en_US mode again
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20:40 Jordach brb
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20:43 markveidemanis Good |time_zone_greeting| everyone!
20:45 Calinou night
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20:52 Jordach sometimes when playing either Skyrim or Mirror's Edge, my keyboard switches to the US Layout
20:54 Jordach >[21:54:07] <VE-Vanilla> *** sapier joined the game
20:54 Jordach HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM
20:54 Jordach android testing much :P
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20:59 Jordach TIL [21:51:06] <shadowzone> Jordach:  I got your big freaking dig game today I love it.
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21:12 Vazon Minerealms, Landrush and Antomicon servers are now back up.
21:14 markveidemanis s/Atomicon/MarkTwain :P
21:15 markveidemanis Atomicon == old /etc/hostname
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21:17 markveidemanis Vazon, Also *Atomicon
21:17 markveidemanis -n
21:18 markveidemanis Atom[domain taken so add]icon
21:18 Vazon sorry about that :P
21:18 markveidemanis ;P
21:18 markveidemanis OC spelled it wrong to once
21:18 Vazon mark are people timing out on your server?
21:18 markveidemanis Atomiocon
21:18 markveidemanis Actually rather nice name
21:18 markveidemanis Atomiocon
21:20 WindHero Atomicon is better :P
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21:20 Vazon lol
21:20 WindHero although I can't help but pronounce it wrong
21:20 Jordach Atominomicon
21:21 * Jordach runs away
21:21 * WindHero runs with him
21:23 markveidemanis Say Atom
21:23 markveidemanis Now see that thing in the bottom left corner of your desktop Jordach?
21:23 markveidemanis It's disgraceful
21:24 markveidemanis It's Bill's Icon
21:24 WindHero that's why I use Win8: you don't see that icon in the corner :P
21:25 markveidemanis You should update to 8.1 and the bastard will be back
21:26 markveidemanis FYI DO NOT UPGRADE
21:26 markveidemanis That's about it that changed
21:26 WindHero I've had the option for a few months
21:26 WindHero still haven't
21:26 markveidemanis I hate life without windows
21:26 WindHero at least Win8 is faster than Win7
21:26 WindHero can't say too much else
21:26 markveidemanis It's fucking freezing
21:27 markveidemanis Yeah, a lot
21:27 markveidemanis Then I come along with linux and laugh
21:27 markveidemanis Loudly
21:27 WindHero now for a semi-orginal pun on Windows
21:27 markveidemanis Well...
21:27 WindHero the problem with opening Windows is that you let bugs in
21:28 markveidemanis Lol true
21:28 WindHero I once read a similar joke that was much better :/
21:28 markveidemanis Me too
21:28 markveidemanis Hey remember WIndows Doors?
21:28 markveidemanis That game
21:28 markveidemanis Had Twatter and Poogle
21:29 markveidemanis On newgrounds I think
21:29 WindHero nope
21:29 markveidemanis http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/512482
21:30 markveidemanis This was at least 3 years ago I last played this
21:30 markveidemanis About 5 years ago I played tower defence :P
21:30 markveidemanis defence? defense?
21:30 markveidemanis defence
21:31 * markveidemanis waits to be corrected and feels like a spammer ^.^
21:31 m5 That'll stop me wasting so much space
21:31 m5 * home/mark/atomicon_game/mods/tweaks/inventor​y_plus/textures/inventory_plus_home_gui.png :Unknown command
21:31 m5 Lol I hate that
21:32 WindHero *defense*
21:32 WindHero unless you're talking about removing a fence...
21:32 * m5 feels bad
21:33 WindHero :o
21:33 m5 I meant to de-fence
21:33 m5 Too many damn things
21:33 m5 I mean, you can still jump them
21:33 m5 Useless
21:33 WindHero totally
21:33 * m5 feels like Dr Zoidberg for some reason
21:34 m5 I've got 6 hours to live
21:34 m5 and 56 mins
21:34 m5 I'm guessing ~80%
21:35 m5 \me stops spamming
21:35 * m5 stops spamming (Lied the last time)
21:35 WindHero :P
21:35 WindHero has anyone ever made a mod to create large underground caverns?
21:36 m5 Yes
21:36 m5 Paramat
21:36 m5 All his mods
21:36 m5 I just said yes instinctively then the answer came to me
21:36 WindHero I mean like city-size
21:36 m5 Oh god I started again
21:36 m5 City size?
21:36 m5 I'm sure if you play with the settings
21:36 WindHero yeh
21:36 m5 That can happen
21:37 m5 You want to increase the range of occurences along the Y axis as well as the size of the caves
21:37 WindHero I was asking more because I'm considering making a mod for that from scratch
21:37 m5 Or good ol worledeit
21:37 m5 Ah
21:37 m5 No idea
21:37 m5 I was going to google something but forgot now
21:38 m5 mktk.tk 5004 "* We don't take kindly to your types around here!"
21:38 WindHero Google "What was it I was going to google that I forgot?"
21:38 WindHero chances are, it'll find that too :P
21:39 m5 Lol
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21:39 FlyingPandas_ Hello?
21:39 m5 No
21:39 m5 I thought webchat was banned
21:39 FlyingPandas_ ?
21:39 WindHero no, only on the dev channel
21:40 m5 *!*@*/web/freenode*
21:40 m5 *!*@gateway/web/freenode*
21:40 WindHero you know, if that's the way it gets banned....
21:40 m5 Lol
21:40 WindHero people can just use Mibbit xP
21:40 m5 *!*@*web*
21:40 m5 xP??
21:40 m5 You disgust me
21:40 WindHero more likely
21:41 WindHero I don't try to :P
21:41 * m5 finds closest freenode server
21:41 m5 xD
21:41 m5 Windows xD
21:41 PilzAdam webchat isnt banned on dev channel, just muted
21:41 m5 WHy not here?
21:41 WindHero oh yeah....
21:41 m5 lol *!*@gateway/*
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21:42 WindHero because so many people don't want to download a dedicated client
21:42 WindHero but still play Minetest or make mods
21:42 WindHero and want help.
21:42 WindHero (there's a freaking link on minetest.net that goes to here through freenode)
21:43 m5 I don't even know
21:43 m5 https://freenode.net/irc_servers.shtml
21:43 WindHero webchat isn't evil, it's just more likely to attract less... informed people.
21:43 m5 Netherlands netherlands
21:43 m5 Region: Zuid-Holland  [LINEBREAK]City: Delft
21:43 WindHero yes, freenode is Netherlands based
21:44 m5 Lol which server is closer?
21:44 WindHero not relevant
21:44 WindHero the distances make little differnce unless they were in different countries
21:45 m5 What's the 2 letter code for Netherlands/Germany?
21:46 * m5 feels bad
21:46 m5 NL
21:46 m5 That's orwell.freenode.net
21:46 * m5 skips servers
21:48 WindHero .de
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21:48 WindHero mark: .de
21:48 WindHero for Germany
21:48 markveidemanis Back
21:48 m5 Me on orwell now
21:49 m5 Where is chanserv?
21:49 WindHero present
21:49 m5 lol
21:49 m5 *serv is erronenous
21:50 WindHero http://www.freesound.org/p​eople/-Hero_of_the_Winds-/
21:50 m5 Don't you think ircd-seven is pretty bad?
21:50 WindHero ^My humble little collection
21:50 m5 That is sound
21:50 m5 If that scares me
21:50 m5 I will scream
21:50 m5 You will hear me
21:51 * m5 needs sleep
21:51 WindHero lol
21:51 Jordach >sleep
21:51 Jordach it's 11pm
21:51 Jordach i can go until 3 30am
21:52 WindHero I used to put up with this until halfway through high school: http://www.freesound.org/people/-​Hero_of_the_Winds-/sounds/127902/
21:52 m5 Grr
21:52 m5 Jordach always lets us know what he/she's doing: 2244 actions!
21:52 * m5 so deserves that
21:52 * Jordach wins at thta
21:52 m5 Poor Jordach
21:52 * m5 has memory foam :P
21:52 * Jordach too
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21:53 Jordach except nobody here can DJ Hero better than me
21:53 * WindHero is puzzled by the /me spam
21:53 m5 Doesn't sound like an aircraft carrier every time I get on now
21:53 kat_ guys, I cleaned installed my computer with Linux Lite.
21:53 * m5 wants to... I see what you did there
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21:53 m5 kat_, Linux Lite??
21:53 Jordach https://www.linuxliteos.com/
21:53 WindHero Jordach: can you Fire Emblem?
21:54 kat_ I got Minetest out of the synaptic package and it downloaded fine. But I can't get the mod store to come up. It goes completely off.
21:54 Jordach kat_, modstore has always been broken
21:54 m5 Mine too
21:54 Jordach use the PPA or self compil;e
21:54 m5 COmpi.. That^^
21:54 kat_ I mean the game goes completely off. ohhhh    so how do I get mods?
21:55 m5 The proper way
21:55 WindHero manual download from the forums
21:55 m5 AKA the proper way
21:55 * m5 says the proper way the third time
21:55 m5 Wait what Is that title based on?
21:55 m5 X always lets us know what he/she is doing
21:55 WindHero a proper English accent
21:56 Jordach kat_, you can install mods into ~/.minetest/mods/ from the forums
21:56 * m5 has a proper english BREAD
21:56 Jordach ~ is assuming you are at /home/username
21:56 * m5 really must go to bed now
21:56 kat_ oh good   thanks
21:56 Jordach HOWEVER
21:56 Jordach you need to enable the mods PER WORLD.
21:56 * m5 brings up a shell and pings google
21:56 WindHero goodnight then, m5
21:56 * m5 pings google with tor :P
21:58 * m5 has ip 96.47.226.22
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21:58 m5 86.142.*.*
21:58 m5 gtg
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22:12 Vazon ShadowNinja are you around?
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23:22 shadowzone hi.
23:27 Exio4 hihi
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23:58 sweBers Good evening!  Anyone available for a quick question about mod libraries?
23:58 Exio4 just ask it and then someone will answer
23:59 sweBers Ah, good.  not a dead channel!

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