Time Nick Message 00:36 Piggybear87 asl, Vazon, WTH> 00:36 Piggybear87 ?* 00:36 asl Vazon & OldCoder: server quit 00:37 OldCoder Hi 00:37 OldCoder Checking 00:37 asl what happen this time? not my fault again is it? 00:37 OldCoder wait 00:37 OldCoder which server 00:38 asl landrush 00:38 OldCoder asl, busy teaching 00:38 OldCoder kk om 00:38 OldCoder bad argument #4 to 'get_objects_inside_radius' (number expected, got nil) 00:39 OldCoder andrush_game/mods/pipeworks/item_transport.lua:485: in function 'callback' 00:39 OldCoder mesecons_mvps/init.lua:38: in function 'on_mvps_move' 00:39 OldCoder asl, Piggybear87, Vazon see error above 00:40 Piggybear87 I'm not using the pipes atm. 00:40 OldCoder Those messages were the crash 00:46 asl pipeworks on landrush is outdated 00:46 asl https://github.com/VanessaE/pipeworks/commit/fd3c88eb861eac35760ebcb27c9519097aa9f176#diff-72f6f2a49898625bce20699a7f8b838fL481 00:47 asl i guess the only way to fix it is to update the pipeworks 00:48 asl OldCoder ^ 00:49 Piggybear87 asl, is there ANYTHING that can stop the movestone? Everything keeps getting pushed and it pops off of the tracks. 00:49 asl i don't think so, just lesser the mesecon i guess 00:50 Piggybear87 Then it will pop off one earlier. Lol. Why make something like that and not make it be able to stop in time? 00:52 Piggybear87 It crashed again. Oh well, I need to work on mine anyway. 00:53 asl OldCoder: think you can just update the pipeworks mod on landrush? it might fix the problem 00:54 Piggybear87 OldCoder, is a teacher? What does he teach? 00:57 asl it seem my pipeworks is also outdated :/ 00:57 OldCoder asl, sure but I am only here to chat lightly right now. I am teaching webdev in Sacramento presently. 00:58 OldCoder Piggybear87, ^ 00:58 OldCoder I am mostly unemployed but I do occasionally teach or tutor 00:58 OldCoder I did No Child Left Behind a couple of months ago 00:59 Vazon mhmm 01:01 Vazon maby update pipe works that is the only thing i ca nthink of 01:05 Piggybear87 Web development, nice. An old co-worker of mine did that in his spare time and made almost a grand a week (outside of normal work). I told him I wish I made that kind of money, and he said to learn how to code... ANYTHING, coding is in high demand. 01:07 Piggybear87 I'm going to disable some parts that I can figure out how to from pipeworks. I don't need the water parts, only the clear pipes for technic. 01:09 Megaf It's so weird to see a Megaf that is not me 01:10 Piggybear87 Is anyone on here going to use my server when I launch? 01:10 Piggybear87 It's OK if no, I just need a head count and need opinions. 01:11 asl idk, really depend on the mod 01:14 Piggybear87 That's the opinions I need. What would you like to see in a server? (Remember that I have an older comp...) 01:16 Megaf kaeza; whos the admin? 01:16 Megaf that "Megaf" is telling people is the real Megaf 01:16 Megaf lol 01:28 kaeza Megaf, Nate 01:28 Megaf kaeza; do you know that IRC server? 01:31 kaeza Megaf, connect to chat.inchra.net and join #minetest 01:32 kaeza if that does not work, try digitalaudioconcepts.com 01:35 Piggybear87 asl, The server hates you dude... 01:35 asl i know 01:36 Piggybear87 Lol. Vazon can you get debug.txt's from the server? 01:36 asl i reproduce it alreadt 01:36 asl already* 01:36 Piggybear87 What is it? 01:36 asl https://github.com/VanessaE/pipeworks/issues/69 01:37 asl https://github.com/Jeija/minetest-mod-mesecons/issues/164 01:38 Vazon mhmm 01:38 Vazon i just think update pipeworks 01:39 Piggybear87 asl, What are you near to make it crash when you logon? 01:39 asl my shop testing the semi-auto harvester 01:40 Piggybear87 My movestone wasn't crashing it though. 01:40 Piggybear87 Where is your shop? 01:40 asl join landrush and type /whereis asl97 01:41 Piggybear87 OK. 01:41 asl you can get there using the airport at spawn 1 02:12 Megaf movestone do crash server 02:16 asl movestone are buggy :/ 02:19 ShadowNinja kaeza: irc.inchra.net* 02:21 kaeza oops 03:00 Piggybear87 asl, Sorry about that... 03:00 asl lol 03:22 Vazon Piggybear87 are people still timing out? 03:22 Piggybear87 No. 03:22 Vazon mhm maby your crash fixed it 03:23 Vazon let me restart mine 03:39 Vazon mhm didn't work 03:55 Megaf Who owns the MRC Server? 04:00 Vazon MRC? 04:05 Megaf yep 04:05 Megaf there's a fake Megaf there 04:05 Megaf someone is using my name on several servers 04:11 Vazon they used my name as well, 04:11 Megaf Vazon; Whats the shield recipe? 04:11 Megaf on 3d armor 04:14 Megaf anyone? 04:16 Vazon shield recipe 04:17 Vazon is x,x,x 04:17 Vazon x,x,x 04:17 Vazon o,x,o 04:17 Megaf Thanks Vazon, I got it 04:18 Vazon your welcome 04:18 Megaf I was using a stick, that was the problem 04:18 Vazon lol 04:18 Vazon ShadowNinja 04:19 Megaf so, I see there room for one more item 04:19 Megaf on 3D armor, 04:19 Megaf what item is that? 04:19 Vazon yes he is adding capes maby later on 04:32 Vazon is it possible to make it where areas no longer protect inventorys? 04:33 Piggybear87 God dammit son of a bitch! 04:33 Piggybear87 Why does Minetest lock up my computer??? 04:33 asl lol 04:34 VanessaE bad OS, Piggybear87 04:34 VanessaE a userland app can't lock up your PC unless your OS is broken. 04:34 Piggybear87 It totally froze. I couldn't even move the mouse... 04:35 Piggybear87 Brand new Lubuntu install. I downloaded and burned 2 days ago. 04:35 Piggybear87 I checked the disk for errors also. 04:35 VanessaE then I would have to suggest a hardware fault. :( 04:35 VanessaE didn't you try to install a GPU the other day? 04:35 VanessaE (which failed) 04:36 Piggybear87 Maybe that I only have 786Mb of ram... 04:36 VanessaE well that's not a LOT, but that shouldn't cause a lock-up 04:36 Piggybear87 I installed it and it's fine now (in recovery mode)... 04:36 VanessaE however, 04:36 VanessaE 768MB is an uncommon size 04:36 VanessaE what should you have? 04:36 Piggybear87 It's a 512 and 256. 04:36 VanessaE that's a strange combination. 04:36 VanessaE how long have you used it like that? 04:37 Piggybear87 It's all I had laying around, and since I built this. It had 2, 512's in it but one was bad. 04:37 VanessaE take the 256 out and see how it behaves. 04:37 Vazon VanessaE: do you have any idea for my question? 04:37 VanessaE Vazon: *scrolls back* .. um.. not really, no 04:38 Piggybear87 I can run on 512... This thing lags already... 04:38 VanessaE Piggybear87: do it anyway 04:38 VanessaE see how it behaves 04:38 Vazon because my players are trrying to make a public technic but areas istn letting that happen 04:38 VanessaE if it's stable, either the 256 is also bad, or more likely your motherboard doesn't like running two different sizes - a lot of motherboards hate that 04:38 Vazon maby like /area_openinv ? 04:39 VanessaE Vazon: afaik areas mod doesn't normally do that anymore though. 04:39 * VanessaE pokes ShadowNinja 04:39 VanessaE ask him :) 04:39 Piggybear87 I'm going to bed in a bit, so I will do it before I boot up in the morning. And yeah, I got an error saying "mis-matched ram blah blah" 04:39 Vazon well it would be nice to have for this reason 04:39 VanessaE Piggybear87: then you already know the issue. 04:39 VanessaE lose the 256. 04:40 VanessaE better you should pick up a couple of cheap 1GB sticks when you get a chance next. 04:40 VanessaE (make sure they're compatible with your mobo of course) 04:40 Piggybear87 It's a max of 1 gig it says online.. 04:40 VanessaE old board. 04:40 Piggybear87 Very. 04:40 VanessaE but ok 04:41 VanessaE go with 512 and add some swap if you have to 04:41 VanessaE until you can put another 512 in there 04:41 Piggybear87 Add some swap? 04:41 VanessaE mmhmm 04:41 Piggybear87 What does that mean? 04:41 VanessaE when you install an OS, you can configure a portion of your hard drive to act as virtual memory 04:41 VanessaE we call it swap in the linux/unix world 04:42 Vazon im worried about the The Sentinel Empire server, they are making things like minecraft, they have changed chat to be like minecraft abd was going 04:42 VanessaE in windows, it's called a page file 04:42 Piggybear87 Oh, like a Windows page file? 04:42 Piggybear87 Yeah. 04:42 Vazon to change it where palyers had to install the mods they have just ot playe and stuff like that 04:42 VanessaE same concept 04:42 VanessaE you can either add a swap file now, or you can re-install, re-partition the disk and add one then 04:42 VanessaE either way works 04:42 Piggybear87 So I would have to reinstall and lose everything again? 04:42 VanessaE it's a matter of personal preference. 04:43 VanessaE if you add a swap file now, you lose nothing 04:43 VanessaE but it's ever so slightly slower than having it in a separate partition, or so I understand. 04:44 Piggybear87 Wouldn't suppose you would wanna do a how-to, would you? 04:44 VanessaE as root, you would do something like: dd if=/dev/zero of=/var/swapfile bs=1048576 count=1024 and then edit your /etc/fstab to point to it. 04:45 VanessaE (the above command will create a 1GB swap named /var/swapfile ) 04:45 VanessaE then you edit your /etc/fstab to point to it, and as root, mkswap /var/swapfile to initialize it. 04:45 VanessaE then, as root, swapon -a 04:46 VanessaE (normally when you install Linux, it offers these options to you, and even warns you if you skip adding swap) 04:47 VanessaE when you point /etc/fstab to it, all you have to do is add a line like this, to the file: 04:47 VanessaE /dev/xxxxx none swap sw 0 0 04:48 VanessaE (replace /dev/xxxxxx with /var/swapfile --- normally it would be /dev/sda2 or some such) 04:48 VanessaE clear as mud? :D 04:48 Piggybear87 Just make a /txt file, or...? 04:48 Piggybear87 .* 04:48 VanessaE nope 04:49 VanessaE ok, one step at a time... 04:49 VanessaE step 1: 04:49 Piggybear87 I did the first part. 04:49 VanessaE ls -la /var/swapfile 04:49 VanessaE does it look right? 04:50 Piggybear87 piggybear87@piggybear87-pc:~$ sudo ls -la /var/swapfile 04:50 Piggybear87 -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1073741824 Jun 8 00:46 /var/swapfile 04:50 VanessaE yup 04:50 VanessaE that's good 04:50 VanessaE ok 04:50 Piggybear87 Ok. 04:50 VanessaE mkswap /var/swapfile 04:50 VanessaE this initializes the file so it can actually be used as swap 04:51 Piggybear87 OK, done. 04:51 VanessaE now still as root, open your /etc/fstab in an editor like nano or whatever is convenient= 04:52 VanessaE is there anything already in there regarding swap, that isn't commented out? 04:53 VanessaE (sometimes there will be examples left behind, depends on the installer) 04:53 Piggybear87 Gonna pm so I don't have to pastebin 04:54 VanessaE ok. 04:54 VanessaE ok, looks like you already have swap 04:55 VanessaE so just rm /var/swapfile 04:55 VanessaE that was a waste of time :) 04:55 VanessaE close /etc/fstab 04:55 VanessaE you don't need to change it 04:55 VanessaE just yank that 256 and set it aside. 04:56 VanessaE you're gonna have to figure out how to get by on 512 until you can get a matching stick 04:56 Piggybear87 So that will be like a page file now? 04:56 VanessaE you already have it, yeah 04:56 VanessaE get rid of that /var/swapfile, you don't need it. 04:57 VanessaE your machine will use the swap partition that the installer created. 04:57 Piggybear87 That's the rm thing right? 04:57 VanessaE yeah 04:57 Piggybear87 Ok, I'm done then. 04:57 VanessaE ok 04:57 Piggybear87 Sorry for wasting your time. 04:57 VanessaE it's okay 04:57 VanessaE for now you'll just have to run less stuff and do less at one time with what you do run 04:58 VanessaE treat your PC like a tablet 04:58 Piggybear87 :) Ok, 1:00. It's time for bed. 04:58 VanessaE your machine proba 04:58 VanessaE ok, night 04:58 Piggybear87 Good night all. 04:58 VanessaE (I was gonna say his machine probably wandered off into swap due to some heavy-RAM-using app or too many of them anyway, and he thought it was a lock-up) 05:12 asl VanessaE minetest does lock-up my computer too, it's is a memory hog, was using over 1 gb before it lock-up, i think it might be a memory leak 06:19 Vazon Hi MIner_48er 06:19 Miner_48er hi 06:23 Vazon Miner the server is public, but people keep timing out and i cant figure out why 06:27 Vazon Miner_48er: ^^ 06:29 Miner_48er ok 06:31 Vazon you have any idea what would cause this? 06:34 Miner_48er !up oldcoder.org:30012 06:34 MinetestBot Miner_48er: Syntax changed, please use 'example.org 1337' instead of 'example.org:1337' 06:34 Miner_48er !up oldcoder.org 30012 06:34 MinetestBot oldcoder.org:30012 is up (657ms) 06:36 Vazon its up im on it and so is another person, only 4 people including me have joined successfully 06:36 Miner_48er !up oldcoder.org:30012 06:36 MinetestBot Miner_48er: Syntax changed, please use 'example.org 1337' instead of 'example.org:1337' 06:36 Miner_48er !up oldcoder.org 30012 06:39 Miner_48er ping is a bit higher than average 06:39 Vazon we arent lagging at all tho 06:40 Krock hi 06:41 Vazon Ello Krock 06:41 Krock morning :) 06:41 Vazon morning?? its 2:41 am here lol 06:42 Krock 08:41 06:42 Krock damn late 06:42 unclouded hi. are there any admins around for mtzeno? 06:42 Krock go bed, vazon :P 06:42 Krock unclouded, what's mtzeno? 06:42 Vazon but then i will leave you Krock xD 06:42 unclouded mtzeno.com. sry that's the hostname 06:43 Krock Vazon, you aren't a kitten which sticks on my foot 06:43 Krock unclouded, for servers, join irc.inchra.net #minetest 06:43 Vazon Krock, I can be :) 06:43 unclouded Krock: cheers 06:44 * Krock barks at Vazon 06:45 * Vazon hisses back, then prr's at Krocks leg 06:48 Vazon Miner_48er could it becuase we have alot of blocks, that its taking to long forthe players to load and they give up? 06:49 * Krock found the 150KB file again, with a rating of 4.5/5 stars 06:49 Miner_48er possibility 06:50 Vazon because i have added alot of our blocks to the moreblocks mod. 06:50 Hirato doesn't minetest cache stuff, so only the fire connection takes a while? 06:53 * Krock found an amazing feature "Show windows version on desktop" 06:53 Krock Hirato, fire? no. first. 07:48 nman3600 hi 07:50 raffahacks hi 07:51 raffahacks why does minetest crash on opening on an armv7 a20 device? 07:52 Krock #minetest-dev 07:52 Krock ask sapier 07:53 raffahacks thanks 07:53 Krock np 07:54 zsoltisaw hiya raffahacks 07:54 raffahacks hi! 07:54 Krock zsolisnotaw: hi 07:54 nman3600 i'm on #multitest if you have suggestions for it (even though it's had no feedback since i updated) 07:54 zsoltisaw /me finds this client dumb 07:54 Krock ntalk ftw 07:55 zsoltisaw ntalk isn't on iOS... 07:55 Krock windows ftw 07:57 raffahacks zsolti? 07:58 nman3600 is dead 07:58 raffahacks Krock: nobody in minetest-dev. 50 dead people 07:59 Krock raffahacks, shout at them or wait until they get awake 08:01 raffahacks will wait 08:01 raffahacks hi PenguinDad ! 08:07 PenguinDad Hello everypony! 08:09 nman3600 hey non brony 08:10 raffahacks how to set the status in irc (with *)? 08:10 raffahacks Krock: they're still sleeping! 08:11 Krock raffahacks, devs need much sleep after much coding 08:11 raffahacks then sapier isn't there 08:14 raffahacks if i quote to Cele*on55? is that for him annoying? 08:15 Amaz Maybe ShadowNinj* or Sfan% could help? 08:15 raffahacks Amaz: it was to avoid to quote him 08:16 raffahacks thanks 08:16 sfan5 meow 08:16 raffahacks hi sfan! thanks for answer 08:17 Amaz Yep. That's why I did it as well. 08:17 * nman3600 strokes sfan5 and then hands sfan5 a bowl of milk 08:18 raffahacks lol 08:18 * sfan5 meows at nman3600 08:18 raffahacks nman3600: how did you write that (with *)? 08:18 nman3600 do /me (message) 08:19 nman3600 i'm using pc i don't know about you 08:19 raffahacks sfan5: i am following you on twitter 08:19 sfan5 that's nice 08:20 * raffahacks does nothing 08:20 raffahacks do you like manga sfan5? 08:20 * nman3600 tells sfan5 to not bite raffahacks 08:20 sfan5 raffahacks: yes 08:21 raffahacks did you see me in your followers? 08:21 * nman3600 bites raffahacks 08:21 sfan5 yes 08:21 nman3600 nomnomnom tasty hand 08:22 * raffahacks bites nman3600 too 08:22 * nman3600 sends raffahacks to his/her room for being naughty 08:24 * PenguinDad throws a random image in the chat http://powell.chaos-bodensee.de/wp-content/uploads/nomnompingu.png 08:27 * raffahacks can't see anything 08:29 raffahacks sfan5: do you like my cat? 08:29 sfan5 it looks fluffy 08:29 sfan5 yes 08:29 sfan5 I am a cat, meow :§ 08:30 sfan5 :3 08:30 * raffahacks gives sfan5 more milk 08:31 * sfan5 purrs 08:33 * nman3600 watches https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SMWi7CLoZ2Q over and over and over again 08:34 PenguinDad !title 08:34 MinetestBot PenguinDad: Nom Nom Nom Nom Nom Nom Nom - Parry Gripp - YouTube 08:34 OldCoder Yo 08:35 nman3600 lol 08:37 nman3600 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X2F4EFYM_MA&list=TLOxGPJ5FdoVIb_HR2bUKMDDgiPGK-ulNK ahh so cute 08:38 nman3600 !title https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X2F4EFYM_MA&list=TLOxGPJ5FdoVIb_HR2bUKMDDgiPGK-ulNK 08:38 nman3600 fail 08:38 nman3600 !title 08:38 MinetestBot nman3600: Fuzzy Fuzzy Cute Cute - Parry Gripp - YouTube 08:38 MinetestBot nman3600: Fuzzy Fuzzy Cute Cute - Parry Gripp - YouTube 08:38 nman3600 lol 08:38 nman3600 nevermind 08:39 * Krock meows at sfan5 08:40 * sfan5 meows at Krock 08:40 Krock How to detect if a variable is a table? 08:41 sfan5 type(var) == 'table' 08:41 Krock ty 08:41 nman3600 question? what type of music does everyone like? 08:41 nman3600 just wondering 08:42 Krock *beatels music* 08:42 nman3600 rock and techno (dubstep, EDM drumstep and all that) 08:43 nman3600 sfan5: what music do you like? 08:43 sfan5 https://soundcloud.com/sfan5/likes 08:44 PenguinDad nman3600: dubstep, hardstyle, moombahton, moombahcore and some other things 08:44 nman3600 sfan5 you're a monstercat fan nice! 08:44 nman3600 PenguinDad me too 08:44 nman3600 sfan5 you like veela beats? 08:45 sfan5 I guess so 08:45 sfan5 o/ OldCoder 08:45 nman3600 be back later bye! 08:46 Krock *none says bye* 08:46 OldCoder sfan5, Hi 08:52 Krock sfan5, what the hell am I doing wrong? http://pastebin.com/jSwfFm2v 08:52 Krock AAARG damn this globalvalue 08:52 Krock nvm 08:53 sfan5 Krock: you can omit the nil check, if a var is nil the key does not exists anymore 08:53 Krock sfan5, the fail was at line 6, forgot a local :/ I saw it to late 09:08 PenguinDad https://dpaste.de/JX3z what does this mean? 09:19 kaeza it's an URL with protocol 'https', domain 'dpaste.de' and path '/JX3z' 09:20 kaeza <.< 09:20 Krock that means it will be gone in 4 weeks and 1 day 09:21 Krock it also means, those error happened 1 hour before noon 09:23 LemonLake kaeza, Krock, I love it 09:23 Krock you don't even know what we're talking about (except whe you've visited the chat log site= 09:23 Krock *) 09:23 LemonLake I was actually really confused so I checked the logs 09:25 Krock OldCoder, srsly? you *copied* the LR map? 09:26 Krock PenguinDad, question answered? 09:28 PenguinDad Krock: I was talking about the content of that paste ¬_¬ 09:28 Krock PenguinDad, that means it will be gone in 4 weeks and 1 day 09:28 LemonLake PenguinDad: Give more context next time, 'can you tell me what this error means'? 09:28 OldCoder Krock, which map? I didn't copy it. He gave it to me. He is the admin. 09:28 Krock content, isn't it? 09:29 Krock OldCoder, I mean the landrush map - is the original server just down or what happened there? 09:29 OldCoder Krock, Brandon had to shut it down 09:29 OldCoder His daughter missed it 09:29 OldCoder Therefore I have moved him onto one of my systems 09:29 Krock >>had to shut it down< I am lying down and will not see messages or reply further. Has it not occurred to you that you have mumbled like six times about "same description" without saying what that *WAS* ? 09:43 Krock dude, he fell asleep 09:43 LemonLake Mhm. 09:43 LemonLake I know. 09:44 LemonLake yo yo Jordach 09:45 Krock yay! 4/6 player became unknown 09:49 nman3600 hi 09:49 LemonLake nman3600: I'll see if I can make you your Eren art later, but right now I'm busy. 09:49 nman3600 ok LemonLake :) 09:49 * nman3600 is currently listening to deadmau5 10:41 * EvergreenTree pokes Jordach for no obvious reason 10:42 * sfan5 meows at EvergreenTree 10:42 EvergreenTree mrowr 10:42 * Krock pees at the green tree 10:42 * Krock does that for no reason 10:43 * LemonLake pokes at a random evergreen tree 10:43 LemonLake this one, to be precise: http://www.bigtrees4u.com/images/evergreen1.jpg 10:44 EvergreenTree Krock: that wasn't very nice 10:45 Krock EvergreenTree, sry. I thought it was a regular tree 10:45 EvergreenTree oh, that's fine then 10:45 * sfan5 taps EvergreenTree 11:04 Jordach EvergreenTree, ! 11:05 LemonLake If there's one thing I hate about school, it's programming in school. 11:05 LemonLake Because we have to use Scratch. 11:05 LemonLake Ugh. 11:05 EvergreenTree Scratch was alright in version 1.4, it is terrible now 11:05 LemonLake I prefer the new version because it has cloning. 11:05 EvergreenTree they used flash. 'nough said 11:05 LemonLake Insanely useful for custom countdown timers and bot creation. 11:06 LemonLake http://scratch.mit.edu/projects/21289212/#player That's what I'm working on. Because I know what I'm doing I have to create something quite complicated. 11:06 LemonLake The code is pretty simple when you think about it, but making it in scratch is just horrible. 11:07 EvergreenTree mhm 11:07 EvergreenTree it is good for just making sketches of games though 11:07 LemonLake Yeah. 11:07 LemonLake And it's good for teaching kids how to program. 11:07 LemonLake I just hate it when I can't make a game in like, C++ or somethin. 11:08 LemonLake Even HTML5 for all I care. Just not scratch. 11:08 EvergreenTree I (think) they were working on an html5 player 11:08 LemonLake I think this is the html5 player 11:09 LemonLake Nope, still flash 11:55 Krock pingpong 11:56 Jordach pongping 11:59 EvergreenTree poing 12:03 LemonLake pwanga 12:04 PenguinDad http://mawscm.deviantart.com/art/My-Little-Linux-Fedora-342766945 <3 Fedora as a Pony 12:06 LemonLake The eyes look very strange 12:16 sfan5 EvergreenTree: http://i.imgur.com/S5aLpZb.jpg 12:17 EvergreenTree daw 12:17 LemonLake OMFG CAT 12:17 LemonLake CAT 12:17 LemonLake that's a nice kitteh 12:17 sfan5 LemonLake: http://i.imgur.com/bXZIWWe.jpg 12:17 LemonLake more cat 12:17 LemonLake too much cat 12:18 sfan5 LemonLake: http://i.imgur.com/CkgC24b.jpg 12:19 sfan5 EvergreenTree: http://i.imgur.com/iATkdQO.jpg 12:19 sfan5 Jordach: http://i.imgur.com/kA8l8oP.jpg 12:21 LemonLake sfan5: are these your cats? 12:21 sfan5 nope, it would be crazy to have this many; I don't even have a single one :-( :-( 12:21 LemonLake aww 12:22 sfan5 LemonLake: http://i.imgur.com/gclt4bT.jpg 12:23 LemonLake sfan5: http://placekitten.com/1920/1080 12:23 LemonLake it stares at ya 12:24 sfan5 meow :3 12:26 sfan5 Krock: http://i.imgur.com/BIPTRoc.jpg 12:26 Krock *clicks* 12:26 Krock zzleepin 12:26 Krock :D 12:29 Krock sfan5, your kittens? 12:30 sfan5 nope, it would be crazy to have this many; I don't even have a single one :-( :-( 12:30 Krock very sad 12:30 Krock you actually need one 12:31 LemonLake wtf 12:31 LemonLake I just got banned from plug.dj for no reason 12:31 Krock trololo? 12:31 LemonLake I kept getting warnings for no reason, saying that I was spamming them or something 12:31 LemonLake I wasn't doing anything apart from listening to some good tunes. 12:58 OldCoder LemonLake, good morning. I slept 3 hours. The PM I read from you this AM was not helpful. You are on /ignore for the moment. 12:59 LemonLake OldCoder, you're quite harsh. 12:59 Krock 3 hours... I would go crazy with that short time 12:59 Krock lol 12:59 LemonLake There is no reason to /ignore somebody just because you can't understand them. 13:00 LemonLake Krock, please forward those messages to OldCoder. 13:00 asl hi OldCoder, has the default privs for landrush been fix? 13:00 OldCoder asl, Hi. Let me settle in for a minute or two. 13:00 asl ok 13:00 Krock LemonLake, I'm not sure if he ignored me too and generally - why? 13:01 LemonLake Just do it. 13:01 OldCoder Krock, I rarely ignore people 13:01 LemonLake Before he bans me. 13:01 OldCoder LemonLake is distracting, pushy, and impolite 13:01 OldCoder I need to be able to focus today 13:01 Krock OldCoder, same. Mostly they stop when you don't answer :3 13:01 OldCoder I think you're being slightly rude now, however I'll let it pass due to the fact that you've just come back and you're really tired. Have a good sleep and we'll see if we can sort it out later. 13:01 OldCoder Good night. 13:01 OldCoder P.S. Welcome to IRC. This is the sort of response you're gonna get from EVERY network, EVERY server and EVERY channel. 13:01 LemonLake Krock, please forward my messages. 13:01 OldCoder I was not pleased to wake up and find that, Krock. 13:02 Krock LemonLake, what? 13:02 LemonLake Krock, forward my messages. 13:02 OldCoder My channels are going to be more civil than he suggests. We will move on now. asl refresh my recollection. 13:02 LemonLake OldCoder, you're quite harsh. There is no reason to /ignore somebody just because you can't understand them. 13:02 OldCoder asl, scrolling up 13:03 OldCoder asl, ah; you mean, update pipeworks 13:03 OldCoder ? 13:03 Krock LemonLake, I can't understaaaand youuu, it's so lololouuuud 13:03 OldCoder update may break things 13:03 OldCoder Krock, more on-topic please 13:03 asl um no, the pipeworks didn't fix the bug 13:03 Krock k, sir. 13:03 OldCoder asl, summarize problem please 13:03 asl now i am taking about the default privs 13:03 OldCoder asl, I did not see that part; summarize, please 13:04 * Krock hids 13:04 OldCoder hids are for kids :P 13:04 asl new players who join the server only have the shout privs 13:04 OldCoder What default privs would you suggest? 13:04 asl the old landrush give 4 privs to new players 13:04 OldCoder What default privs would you suggest? 13:04 * Krock *hidEs 13:04 OldCoder Kicks are for Krocks 13:04 asl https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=6197 13:05 OldCoder asl, I am sort of busy 13:05 asl Default Privs: Shout, Interact, Money, Fast 13:05 OldCoder Ah 13:05 OldCoder What does Brandon say? 13:05 asl that link is prove that it was like that before it move 13:05 OldCoder What does Brandon say? 13:05 OldCoder asl, I used what he gave me 13:05 LemonLake 7IGNORE OLDCODER!*@* ALL 13:05 asl didn't see him online 13:05 LemonLake ah shit 13:05 LemonLake bloody keyboard 13:05 asl so i haven't ask them yet 13:06 OldCoder And I don't recommend default interact except for certain worlds 13:06 OldCoder Ask Brandon about the matter please. Now, has the world been crashing? 13:06 sfan5 LemonLake: it is very obvious that you did that on purpose 13:06 asl the landrush have land protection mod that works 13:06 LemonLake sfan5, what? 13:06 OldCoder I removed intweaks mod 13:06 sfan5 LemonLake: you know what I mean 13:06 asl and brandon is the one who posted the default privs 13:06 OldCoder Did it help with some of the crashes? 13:06 LemonLake what is it with you guys today? 13:06 LemonLake why are you being twats to me? have I done something wrong? 13:06 LemonLake please tell me, I'd like to know 13:07 OldCoder asl, (1) I used what Brandon gave me (2) Ask Brandon about default changes (3) I may not approve default interact 13:07 OldCoder That world had 17,000+ users 13:07 OldCoder A large number of which were random passersby 13:07 LemonLake As far as I recall, I haven't done anything wrong. 13:07 OldCoder asl, thank you for your time and inquiry 13:08 OldCoder Help regarding crashes is required 13:08 OldCoder Right now I am preparing to bring up 13:08 LemonLake I've been trying to help out OldCoder but they've continually been misunderstanding me, and at the end of it they started being bitchy to me in query. 13:08 OldCoder LORD OF THE TEST 13:08 OldCoder The LOTR world 13:08 OldCoder Excuse me while I focus on that 13:08 OldCoder 13:08 fishyWET OldCoder, I'm on if u need me 13:08 OldCoder fishyWET, thank-u 13:09 LemonLake And now you go all quiet. 13:09 fishyWET can u wait a sec?, there's some changes for travelnet, just replace the travelnet folder that i am uploading currently 13:09 OldCoder fishyWET, it is fine 13:09 OldCoder We will make it a display-only showcase temporarily as with Pripyat 13:10 OldCoder Can update as you wish 13:10 fishyWET right okay 13:10 OldCoder PM me links for whatever you update 13:10 fishyWET yeah sure 13:10 duke Hmm 13:14 fishyWET OldCoder, the download for the travelnet changes, https://www.dropbox.com/s/bydcgjzyhatjavt/travelnet.zip 13:14 OldCoder fishyWET, kk 13:14 OldCoder Allow a little time 13:14 fishyWET okay sure 13:14 OldCoder But planning to try a run in the next half-hour 13:14 OldCoder or so 13:15 fishyWET okay 13:27 ShadowNinja Vazon: /area_open should do that. 13:28 OldCoder fishyWET, is the travelnet ZIP a full replacement for the previous travelnet mod? 13:28 fishyWET yes 13:28 OldCoder I.e. I delete the old folder? 13:28 fishyWET yes just delete the old one 13:32 OldCoder fishyWET, I took your original lottserver ZIP, deleted the game folder, added the 2nd game upload, replaced the travelnet in that 13:32 OldCoder Um 13:32 OldCoder Next time a full update would be easier 13:32 fishyWET right, will do a full update next time 13:33 OldCoder Nobody has seen this but the two of you? 13:33 OldCoder fishyWET, ^ 13:34 fishyWET seen what? 13:34 OldCoder The world. There are just the two of you in players. 13:34 fishyWET yeah 13:34 OldCoder The world awaits 13:34 OldCoder Uploading combined ZIP 13:35 ligeti Hello... 13:35 OldCoder Hello back 13:35 ligeti :) 13:43 sfan5 meow 13:44 OldCoder meow back 13:44 OldCoder What is the matter? Bored? 13:44 OldCoder fishyWET, you appear to have done a fair amount of work 13:44 fishyWET to what? 13:44 Krock kittenz are never bored 13:45 OldCoder On this project 13:45 OldCoder Very well 13:45 fishyWET i guess so, it started last year 13:46 asl !up minetest.org 30011 13:46 MinetestBot minetest.org:30011 seems to be down 13:46 OldCoder I am restarting 13:46 OldCoder asl ^ 13:46 asl oh 13:46 OldCoder I used to announce this 13:46 OldCoder Will do so again if IRC mod is fixed 13:47 OldCoder Then I can announce in-game 13:47 OldCoder fishyWET, explore_map mod is missing 13:48 Amaz Can you edit it out of world.mt please? 13:48 fishyWET ignore that, it was just a mod for loading some areas of the map eariler on 13:48 Amaz I meant to remove it. 13:48 OldCoder kk 13:48 OldCoder sfan5, refresh old coder memories. How do I set up curl media on server side? 13:49 OldCoder BTW I am running luajit now 13:49 OldCoder Hopefully luajit will be a bit of a hit 13:49 OldCoder Amaz, fishyWET spawn seems to be underground? 13:50 Amaz Odd. 13:50 OldCoder Well hang on and you can try it shortly 13:50 Amaz Does the staic_spawnpoint need to be in the same format as player position? 13:50 OldCoder Should be fine either way 13:50 Amaz (i.e. Another 0 after each of the coords? 13:50 OldCoder Wait 13:51 OldCoder static_spawnpoint = 59, 5, -120 13:51 OldCoder Looks fine; wait a bit 13:52 Amaz Okay. 13:52 Amaz That's right. 13:55 OldCoder Is that a duckie? 13:56 OldCoder And some type of guard 13:56 fishyWET i think it is chicken 13:56 Amaz Chicken and elf maybe? 13:56 OldCoder Amaz, fishyWET go see your world at minetest.org:30020 13:56 fishyWET okay, thanks! 13:57 Amaz Great! Thanks! 13:57 OldCoder default privs are fly fast shout in keeping with display world mode 13:57 OldCoder You can probably drop the large bold warning 13:57 OldCoder on the entry sign 13:57 Amaz Okay. 13:57 OldCoder as you'll only grant interact to those who understand this part 13:57 Amaz Right. 13:58 OldCoder I need to rest a bit. If the world crashes it may restart 13:58 OldCoder Kick the tires and see what works or not 13:58 OldCoder I will be here off and on all day 13:58 Amaz Okay, thanks! 13:58 * OldCoder is resting 13:58 OldCoder o/ 13:58 fishyWET right, thanks! 14:00 Megaf VanessaE; to see if he has a swap or not it's just a matter of $ free -m 14:00 OldCoder ShadowNinja, I am resting. But time to make IRC mod work again. Consider whether to host the channels on your network(s). Ask kaeza to stop by and see me. 14:00 OldCoder 14:00 Megaf [01:36:29] 768MB is an uncommon size 14:00 Megaf That's due some of the memory being used buy the onboard GPU 14:00 Megaf or, because he has like 512 + 256 14:07 VanessaE Megaf: I'm well aware of that. 14:07 VanessaE and yeah, he had a 512+256 and his BIOS warned him that it didn't like mismatched RAM sizes 14:09 VanessaE (it just didn't occur to me to have him check it that way first) 14:27 MinetestBot GIT: VanessaE commited to Jeija/minetest-mod-mesecons: Merge branch 'master' of github.com:Novatux/minetest-mod-mesecons 13432ac87c 2014-06-08T10:28:57-04:00 http://git.io/9OKU5Q 14:27 MinetestBot GIT: Novatux commited to Jeija/minetest-mod-mesecons: Fix #164 b8714f7d93 2014-06-08T16:12:49+02:00 http://git.io/n_LZcg 14:27 MinetestBot GIT: Novatux commited to Jeija/minetest-mod-mesecons: Add node detector, which works like the player detector but detects a specific nodename (or any node except air) in front of it. 99cb021f15 2014-06-08T08:29:17+02:00 http://git.io/oI8B6g 14:27 sfan5 OldCoder: run an nginx server, fill the media dir using this https://gist.github.com/sfan5/6351560 14:37 VanessaE y u no like my flat file script? :) 14:39 sapier hello does anyone know which mod draws sign text to signs? 14:40 VanessaE signs_lib :-) 14:40 VanessaE homedecor modpack 14:40 Krock in homedecor 14:40 Krock damn 14:40 Krock ninja'd 14:40 VanessaE https://github.com/VanessaE/homedecor_modpack 14:40 sapier ok ... anyone using android uninstall ;-) 14:40 VanessaE they work fine on my tablet. 14:40 VanessaE only thing I know they don't always work right on are some iOS devices 14:41 VanessaE because the textures aren't power-of-2 sized. 14:42 sapier they're all white for me but my device does support npot2 textures ... strange 15:11 nman3600 hi 15:37 Megaf_ Hey nman3600 15:37 Megaf_ Hi sapier 15:37 nman3600 hey Megaf 15:38 Megaf_ 15,01Hello everyone! 15:39 nman3600 how do you do that? 15:39 nman3600 the color thing 15:39 Krock 04,09client features 15:39 Krock \<\ $04,09 \>\client features 15:40 PenguinDad 10Wow clients! 15:40 nman3600 can someone give me some feedback on multitest 2.0 please it's dying and i don't want it to (need link?: https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=9334&sid=9093e35096ef2aba05aee653bf3552db) 15:41 sapier hello megaf 15:41 Megaf sapier; Minetest is pretty stable right now, My server has been up for a couple of days already 15:42 Krock I updated from a MinGW build to MSVC on server and it's much faster now. Not sure if that compiler makes a difference xD 15:44 Jordach Krock, the compiler on Windows *does* make a difference 15:44 Krock Jordach, but that makes it surely not 2x faster :3 15:47 Jordach you'll be surprised with windows 15:47 Krock xD 15:48 Hirato mingw is using a lot of compatibility shims, and they're hardly perfect :P 15:48 Krock if that happens on win 6.0, then it also should happen on win 5.1 15:48 Krock going to annoy blockmen again 15:48 Krock haha 15:53 PenguinDad Why does nearly every lua mapgen print out how many ms the generation took? 15:56 Hirato I'm hoping for a "look at the logs! I'm not the slow one!" 15:58 * whiskers75 11m02e12o06w13s05* 04a07t 08s03f09a10n115 15:58 * sfan5 purrs at whiskers75 15:59 * whiskers75 throws sfan5 a 02r12a06i13n05b04o07w 08k03i09t10t11e02n 15:59 * sfan5 gives whiskers75 a kitten 15:59 * whiskers75 purrs 16:00 nore PenguinDad, IIRC mg does not do that 16:01 nore and 9 lua mapgen mods out of 10 are done by paramat... 16:02 nore so "nearly every Lua mapgen" == "paramat's mods" 16:02 PenguinDad And Krock's noisetest which is based on a paramat mod 16:03 Krock hmm? 16:03 Krock ms ouput is good to see if it's efficient or not 16:04 nore Krock, keep it for debug 16:04 Krock WTFPL, remove everything which isn't wanted 16:13 Vazon Hello Everyone 16:14 VanessaE PenguinDad: they do that because everyone thinks mapgen is slow 16:14 VanessaE and it can be 16:14 VanessaE so coders benchmark their mapgens 16:14 VanessaE I did it with plants_lib for a while until I was satisfied with its speed 16:15 VanessaE (then I removed the benchmarking output, as it was slowing the code down a bit) 16:15 VanessaE (SoniEx2's idea) 16:24 PenguinDad hmmm… Minetest seems to have problems with focus https://cdn.mediacru.sh/2snPkuUrhhNt.png 16:25 VanessaE brony detected 16:25 VanessaE :) 16:25 sapier maybe we should do as apple does ... make minetest fullscreen only ;-) 16:26 Calinou 0.4.4? 16:26 VanessaE and four copies thereof? 16:26 VanessaE PenguinDad: dude, update. 16:26 asl VanessaE: page not found https://github.com/VanessaE/pipeworks/commit/b8714f7d93319c9aad77704957ff027d1a0a6c1b 16:26 Calinou oh, look carefully at the background VanessaE 16:26 Calinou Vinyl Scratch background 16:27 VanessaE asl: um...okay 16:27 Calinou transparent terminals, revealing “private“ information since 2008 16:27 asl https://github.com/VanessaE/pipeworks/issues/69#event-129150270 16:27 asl i mean the link you posted is a page not found link 16:27 VanessaE oh, that's a github problem 16:27 VanessaE I posted a raw commit ID there 16:28 VanessaE github turned it into a link to the wrong repo. 16:28 VanessaE lemme fix. 16:28 VanessaE there. 16:35 Piggybear87 My girlfriend has a dual core, she would compile with j3, right? 16:36 asl hi piggybear 16:36 Calinou Piggybear87, -j2 or -j3 work 16:36 Piggybear87 Hey asl. 16:36 Calinou both are as fast, usually 16:36 Calinou which CPU exactly? 16:36 Calinou if she has HyperThreading, then -j4 16:36 Calinou since she would have 4 threads instead of 2 16:36 Calinou the CPUs which have HyperThreading are i3 (desktop + mobile), i5 (mobile only), i7 (desktop + mobile), all from Intel 16:36 Piggybear87 Intel pentium dual core. 16:37 Calinou then no 16:37 Calinou use -j2 16:37 Piggybear87 Oh, ok. Because mapen isn't working. 16:38 Calinou what does that have to do with the processor? 16:38 Piggybear87 Wait, my single core has HT, would I still us -j2? 16:39 Piggybear87 She did -j3 so I thought it might be the problem. 16:39 Calinou yes 16:39 Calinou HT multiplies the number of threads by 2, basically 16:39 Calinou Piggybear87, it doesn't affect anything on runtime 16:40 Calinou a build done with make -j12 will behave the same as one made with make, regardless of CPU 16:40 Jordach <- has hyperthreading 16:40 Piggybear87 So, I have a wannabe dual core? 16:40 Calinou Jordach, you're on an AMD A10-6800K, no? 16:40 Calinou CMT is similar, but not the same thing 16:40 Jordach yup 16:40 Calinou Piggybear87, kind of… but having HyperThreading is better than no HyperThreading 16:40 Jordach https://cdn.mediacru.sh/vzgEDLQz_KgI.png 16:40 Calinou it's not HyperThreading Jordach :p 16:40 Calinou it's not like Steam is too accurate 16:42 Vazon grrr why is everyone timing out when joining my server :| 16:42 asl maybe it cause they aren't using pc? 16:42 smoke_fumus hmm. game at this moment feels like i am playing 0.8-0.9 alpha of minecraft but without mobs 16:42 smoke_fumus weird 16:44 Calinou Vazon, do you use remote_media? 16:44 Calinou smoke_fumus, there never was 0.x Minecraft after Classic 16:44 Vazon asl im sure there not everyone has been using the app, only 2 other people have successfuly joined and Calinou why? 16:44 Calinou Indev and Infdev had no version numbers, Alpha and Beta used 1.x 16:44 smoke_fumus Calinou: ok. 1.3 16:44 smoke_fumus without mobs 16:44 Calinou Vazon, the remote_media server much be reachable and properly configured if you have one 16:44 Calinou smoke_fumus, beta, alpha? 16:44 Calinou erm 16:44 Calinou there's only beta 1.3 16:44 smoke_fumus alpha 16:45 Calinou latest alpha is 1.2.6 16:45 Calinou (december 03 2010) 16:45 smoke_fumus *trying to recall when started playing* 16:45 smoke_fumus 1.1.3 16:45 smoke_fumus yep 16:45 asl Vazon, what's the ip/domain to your server, i can try to join 16:45 LemonLake smoke_fumus: I wouldn't compare Minetest to Minecraft 16:45 Vazon Calinou: OldCoder was bulding stuff for the servers, could this have something to do with it. 16:45 smoke_fumus LemonLake: lol what 16:45 Vazon asl port is the same as landrush and port is 30012 16:45 LemonLake smoke_fumus: You know what I said 16:46 smoke_fumus are you serious with me right now? 16:46 LemonLake smoke_fumus: I am very serious with you right now 16:46 smoke_fumus then why to i feel something starting with b? 16:46 LemonLake smoke_fumus: There are a lot of things that start with b, not sure what you're on about 16:46 Vazon ip is the same as landrush* 16:48 * smoke_fumus facepalm 16:48 smoke_fumus iss like saying "no, don't compare ken's shooter to wolfenstine 3d", SORRY. COMPRASIONS WOULD BE MADE 16:48 smoke_fumus *ken's labyrinth 16:49 LemonLake smoke_fumus: I'm not saying don't, I'm saying I wouldn't. 16:49 LemonLake smoke_fumus: They are actually very different games. 16:49 smoke_fumus what ken lab and wolf3d? yes, not these 2 however 16:49 LemonLake smoke_fumus: They both have advantages, they both have disadvantages, but they're not remotely the same, and thus not advisable to be compared. 16:50 LemonLake smoke_fumus: That would be like saying PHP is like Python. 16:50 smoke_fumus it is. 16:50 LemonLake smoke_fumus: They may be similar but they're not properly comparable. 16:50 Krock fuu 16:50 Krock PC's overheating 16:50 LemonLake Krock: Douse it with a bucket of water, thank me later 16:50 Piggybear87 asl, Were you working in my farm? 16:50 smoke_fumus both have voxel data structures, both render them as chunks, in both you mine resources, punch trees and build stuff which is locked on 3d grid. Your point? 16:51 asl i just dump lots of item into the auto crafter 16:51 LemonLake smoke_fumus: My point is that just don't compare them. 16:51 LemonLake smoke_fumus: Saves flame wars in the long run, anyway ^.^ 16:51 Piggybear87 And lots of saps? Lol, I have a LOT more glue than I had. Lol. 16:51 Krock LemonLake, omg thankxxx 16:52 LemonLake Krock: np :3 16:53 rubenwardy Hi all! 16:53 LemonLake rubenwardy: Hello, sane person! 17:08 MinetestBot GIT: Novatux commited to Jeija/minetest-mod-mesecons: Localize a few variables, add "GET" command to node detector. 63998fd7e7 2014-06-08T19:02:15+02:00 http://git.io/VZvz4w 17:15 LemonLake what mods does minetestbot check for git changes? 17:16 Calinou probably mesecons, technic only 17:16 ShadowNinja mesecons, worldedit, minetest, minetest_game, and minetest_next 17:17 LemonLake sweggy 17:20 Calinou no Carbone, but does the bot support Gitorious, ShadowNinja? 17:20 Calinou if so, then you could add my mods + Carbone 17:20 ShadowNinja Calinou: It uses RSS, so maybe. 17:21 ShadowNinja It requires manual configuraration and possibly a restart though. 17:22 rubenwardy the ones by sfan5 only, i guess 17:24 sfan5 Calinou: it supports github rss feeds, I could probably adapt it for gitourious 17:26 rubenwardy Yay world edit! //lua minetest = nil 17:28 rubenwardy https://github.com/rubenwardy/NodeBoxEditor would be nice to add, and homedecor, and moreblocks. 17:29 LemonLake suddenly everyone wants their mods in it 17:30 VanessaE and dreambuilder ;) 17:31 rubenwardy lol 17:31 rubenwardy I wouldn't want my mods on it, just node box editor 17:33 ShadowNinja ~help github announce add 17:33 ShadowBot ShadowNinja: (github announce add [] ) -- Announce the commits of the GitHub repository called / in the . defaults to the current channel. 17:34 ShadowNinja Olny works with github and requires a webhook though. 17:43 Piggybear87 If I get a prebuilt package from "https://code.launchpad.net/~minetestdevs/+archive/daily-builds/+packages?field.name_filter=&field.status_filter=published&field.series_filter=trusty", how do I use it? 17:43 sfan5 run 'minetest' 17:44 sfan5 or use the application menu icon 17:44 Piggybear87 That's it? My girl is having problems with self compiled. 17:46 Piggybear87 Do I extract first? If "yes", where? 17:47 LemonLake Piggybear87: the tar.gz? 17:47 Piggybear87 .bed 17:47 sfan5 Piggybear87: you need to add the ppa 17:47 sapier https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=9389 new version of android port ... should be about10-30% faster on some android devices 17:47 LemonLake sapier: will test in a min 17:47 LemonLake also i have dpi info for you 17:48 LemonLake also, sapier, I'm sure mods work yes? 17:48 LemonLake if so, how enable? 17:48 Piggybear87 How do I add the ppa? There's no "adding this ppa blah blah" on the page. 17:49 sapier they're supposed to work yes but noone tried by now 17:49 LemonLake well sapier, there's no way to enable them in-game 17:49 LemonLake so i guess you have to edit the world for now 17:49 LemonLake also, multiworld support for singleplayer would be grand <3 17:50 sfan5 Piggybear87: https://launchpad.net/~minetestdevs/+archive/daily-builds > Adding this PPA to your system 17:51 sapier Well I disabled multiworld on purpose in order to simplify menu 17:51 sapier but of course anyone is free to write a simple more complete menu ;-) 17:52 LemonLake Chrome: Pop-up blocked, popup appears anyway 17:52 LemonLake sapier: I would love to :D 17:53 LemonLake Is the menu lua-based or java-based? 17:53 LemonLake are are you using c++ with a wrapper? 17:53 PenguinDad LemonLake: Use the formspec young Padawan 17:53 sapier it's lua based 17:53 LemonLake perfect, I would love to make one 17:53 LemonLake testing first tho 17:54 sapier only thing being java is text input 17:54 LemonLake I could tell 17:54 LemonLake startup times are quite long though, what exactly does it scan? 17:54 rubenwardy makes sure all files exist 17:55 rubenwardy ie mods, games, worlds, settings 17:55 rubenwardy (iirc) 17:55 LemonLake ah, is there no way to speed it up? 17:55 LemonLake or at least add a progress bar that WORKS 17:55 rubenwardy You could disable it entirely and rely on the user not to screw with the files 17:55 LemonLake true 17:56 ShadowNinja LemonLake: You mean 0%, 0%, 0%, 0%, 0%, 50%, 100%? ;-) 17:56 LemonLake ^ 17:56 Piggybear87 Ok, I got the ppa added, now what? Click download on the package, or...? 17:56 LemonLake sapier: S Note 2 scale factor is 0.75 17:56 sfan5 Piggybear87: sudo apt-get install minetest 17:56 LemonLake 265ppi, 5.5 inches and 1280x720 17:57 sapier LemonLake: can you post it to the thread? I'm collecting info there 17:57 ShadowNinja We need it to be like other apps, 0%, 50%, 90%, 99%, 99.9%, 99.99%, 99.99%, 100%, 100%, 100%, 100%, 100%... ;-) 17:57 LemonLake sapier: later 17:57 LemonLake what does the on-screen menu button do? 17:57 LemonLake because afaict it does nothing 17:57 ligeti celeron55, busy? 17:57 LemonLake omfg, that item loading is so much faster :D 17:57 Piggybear87 Ok, and when there's an update? Just "sudo apt-get update" and Minetest will update also? And will her worlds, mods, minetest.conf, etc still be there? 17:58 ligeti Hello all :) 17:58 sfan5 Piggybear87: it will get updated with update manager, all user data will ofc stay 17:58 sapier progress bar works ... but only for copying files, On checking I just don't know how much files are there, how am I supposed to do progress the bar? ;-) 17:58 Piggybear87 Sweet! IDK why I don't do that also, lol. 17:58 sapier maybe I should switch to some of thos cylon progress bars for scanning 17:59 LemonLake sapier, if you know what folders to check then just add the count up, turn into a percentage then know what one you're on 17:59 LemonLake btw, i'm either on a really old version or item visuals are proper messed up 17:59 LemonLake they also seem to be upside down :P 17:59 sapier that seems to be a old version 18:00 sapier I thought I fixed the upside doen in last version ... unless there's another special handling by another gpu 18:00 celeron55 < smoke_fumus> hmm. game at this moment feels like i am playing alpha of minecraft 18:00 LemonLake okay, well i may try my hand at another menu gui 18:00 celeron55 this is actually great because that is exactly what it is trying to feel like 18:01 LemonLake ø.ø 18:01 LemonLake you're trying to imitate minecraft? 18:01 celeron55 more like trying to branch out from MC alpha 18:02 LemonLake ic 18:02 LemonLake til 18:02 celeron55 it isn't mentioned anywhere officially though 8) 18:02 Calinou more like trying to branch out from MC alpha 18:02 celeron55 in my opinion minecraft was best at late alpha 18:03 Calinou that was the initial plan: “Take survival multiplayer in a slightly different direction” 18:03 LemonLake I agree celeron55 18:03 Calinou celeron55, there were less kids back then on servers :p 18:03 LemonLake ^ 18:03 Calinou less cheaters too 18:03 Calinou bans in general on servers exploded in Beta 1.3 and 1.5 18:03 celeron55 the multiplayer was technically complete crap though 8) 18:04 Calinou yeah, no health, client-side inventory 18:04 LemonLake gona get an android emulator so I can test on the 'average phone' 18:04 LemonLake because my s note 2 is more a phablet 18:04 ligeti celeron55, do you know which file (source code) explains the packets (data) sent by the play when moving/rotating ... etc.? 18:04 sfan5 ligeti: client.cpp 18:04 ligeti thanks 18:04 celeron55 and clientserver.h 18:05 ligeti thank you 18:05 Calinou talking about rotating: it would be nice if someone finally implemented player/entity yaw change smoothing; there's currently position smoothing but no yaw smoothing; celeron55 said this was very easy, but I'm not able to do it 18:06 ligeti by smoothing you mean ... "slower"? 18:06 sfan5 I think Calinou means interpolation 18:06 Calinou yeah 18:06 Calinou exactly 18:33 ligeti guys, which IDE would you recommend to browse the source code (and work on it) on linux, I am "using" code:blocks, but it doesn't have "build project from existing code" option 18:34 ligeti which makes it difficult to import the project (I guess) 18:37 Jordach ligeti, just manually recompile 18:38 Eater4 ShadowNinja? 18:39 ShadowNinja Eater4: Please don't mention me without telling me what you want. Wnat is it? 18:39 ligeti I don't want to recompile yet... I just want to browse the code (and search in multiple files) ... I still can do it manually though (using Linux command) but... using a IDE will help a lot! 18:39 Eater4 Sorry, is Luabot written in c++? 18:39 ShadowNinja No, it's written in Lua of course. 18:40 ShadowNinja And Lua is written in C. 18:40 Eater4 I am so stupid! 18:40 Eater4 Ok then. 18:40 LemonLake trying to get use to the UI of nexus... 18:40 LemonLake it's very different to touchwiz 18:41 Eater4 I am trying to add the voice thingie to my bot.... 18:48 LemonLake how long does it take to download >.< 18:54 sfan5 ligeti: if you want to have code::blocks be able to compile minetest use CMake and generate Code::Blocks output 18:54 ligeti sfan5, thank you very much :) 18:56 Piggybear87 With the pre-packaged Minetest, where do I find mods, worlds, etc? 18:56 LemonLake nose 19:02 Eater4 ShadowNinja: maybe can we have Hluabot at #minetest on isis? 19:04 Piggybear87 Anyone? 19:07 ligeti Piggybear87, isn't that in /home/[user]/.minetest/ ? 19:07 Piggybear87 No. 19:08 ligeti sorry 19:08 Piggybear87 Nevermind. It made it after the first launch... 19:09 Eater4 Piggybear87: most of the mods are at the forum 19:10 Piggybear87 No, I mean the folder to PUT the mods in after we download. 19:10 LemonLake sapier: My settings weren't saving properly till I looked at the conf and found that gui_scale and touchscreen_threshold had merged onto one line 19:11 Eater4 Piggybear87: in the mod folder.... 19:13 Piggybear87 It doesn't have it when pre-packaged. You have to make the mods folder. I figured it out. 19:15 Piggybear87 VanessaE, can you give me that minetestmapper script again please. I'm using the pre-packaged so I will have to find the path to worlds, but I can't remember how to do it. 19:16 VanessaE er.. 19:17 Piggybear87 I'm gonna copy/paste into a .txt so I don't have to ask again.. Lol. 19:18 Calinou ligeti, I use Geany 19:18 LemonLake dangit 19:18 Calinou but I don't use IDE features (I use it like a text editor, hiding the other windows) 19:18 LemonLake okay, can't close unified inventory on android 19:18 Calinou but you can try using it as an IDE and see 19:18 Calinou it can search & replace in many files, if they're opened 19:18 Calinou the command to search in a directory is: grep -r "stuff" 19:18 Calinou very useful ;) 19:19 EvergreenTree or use gedit 19:19 EvergreenTree I use geany as an ide 19:19 EvergreenTree and kate as a text editor 19:19 EvergreenTree (as well as vim) 19:19 VanessaE minetestmapper --drawscale --geometry -5000:-7500+12000+15000 --backend leveldb -i /path/to/your_world_folder -o /path/to/your_output_image.png 19:19 VanessaE adjust the geometry as needed, leave out the `--backend leveldb` part if you're using sqlite. 19:20 Piggybear87 Thank you. :) 19:21 LemonLake VanessaE: Have you been able to close unified_inventory on android? 19:21 VanessaE LemonLake: I think I tried maybe once and I seem to recall it worked then 19:21 LemonLake How did you do it? just back button? 19:21 VanessaE but I only have a very low-end tablet that doesn't work well with Minetest to befin with 19:21 VanessaE begin* 19:21 VanessaE you can double-tap outside the Unified Inventory formspec also 19:22 LemonLake ah thanks 19:22 LemonLake figured out what that menu-like button does, it's the shift button 19:25 ligeti Calinou, thank you 19:25 ligeti I will check that later 19:27 ligeti I am trying to understand the protocol used to communicate (send chat, commands... etc.) 19:27 LemonLake so my android is now at 40.9 C because of minetest, and i just burnt my hand by touching the top of the screen. fun. 19:28 Amaz Painful. 19:28 Calinou #minetest-dev can help 19:29 Calinou LemonLake, touching 40°C stuff burns you? 19:29 Calinou wouldn't it feel just a bit warm? 19:29 Calinou (since it's just slightly above body temperature) 19:29 Amaz Yeah... 19:29 ligeti Calinou, I don't think they have time for this :P 19:29 LemonLake Calinou: My hand was on it for an hour. 19:30 LemonLake Calinou: Plus, I'm extremely sensitive 19:30 Jordach LemonLake, i can heat my tablet to 50 19:30 LemonLake I'm not trying to brag or anything, I'm trying to imply that the temperature is a little bit extreme for a simple game 19:31 VanessaE LemonLake: you can't burn your hand on 40C. it's physically impossible. besides, 40C is nothing at all for a computer. 19:31 VanessaE a high end GPU can hit 100C or more. 19:31 LemonLake VanessaE: I didn't mean BURN. I meant just made hot to the point of pretty itchy. 19:31 VanessaE CPUs routinely go up to 70 (if improperly cooled) 19:31 Calinou LemonLake, it's far from simple 19:31 Calinou a high end GPU can hit 100C or more. 19:32 Calinou no, not really 19:32 LemonLake whatever 19:32 VanessaE Calinou: yes, yes really :) 19:32 Calinou R9 290X is (the now famous) 94°C 19:32 LemonLake 19:32 LemonLake (literally) 19:32 Calinou ~ 80°C on custom cards (get one, even though it increases CPU temperature) 19:32 Calinou besides, 40C is nothing at all for a computer. 19:32 Calinou I believe it's more for mobile hardware? 19:32 VanessaE Calinou: I've run my GPU at 90 before 19:32 Calinou I wouldn't do that, except for GPUs that are designed for it 19:32 VanessaE anyway, doesn't matter 19:32 VanessaE I think mine was 19:33 VanessaE older GPU, before they had good power management 19:33 Jordach Calinou, i once saw my APU hit 85 19:33 Calinou today's middle end GPUs only get up to 60-65°C 19:33 Jordach (but then a static setting turns the fan off after a while) 19:33 Calinou they're better choices because they're much quieter too 19:33 VanessaE Calinou: only if you don't turn the fan down 19:33 Calinou VanessaE, no, that's with custom cards 19:33 Calinou when they're at 65°C, they're quiet 19:34 VanessaE Calinou: I have my GPUs set to mine X11-based cryptocurrency, they both run 75-80C with the fan's clocked in the 35 to 50% speed range. 19:34 Calinou mining is particular 19:34 VanessaE fans* 19:34 Calinou I'm talking about gaming 19:34 Calinou which is a bit less demanding than mining 19:34 VanessaE true 19:34 VanessaE until you talk about minetest ;) 19:35 * VanessaE throws Minetest and HDX at her GPU and it chokes :P 19:35 Calinou jungles are FPS hogs in default game 19:35 Calinou fixed by making them glasslike, adding post-process and making the texture more dense 19:35 m5 hi 19:35 Calinou (the jungle leaves) 19:35 Calinou hi m5 19:35 m5 I saw a topic a while back about a fully rendered minetest map 19:35 Calinou fully rendered? 19:35 m5 Something about 8 channels per block 19:36 m5 Some calculations on size 19:44 Piggybear87 Can anyone explain to me why my machine would run almost perfect (~40 FPS), but when I get around any lights, like glow glass or torches, etc. I lag like crazy (~1-5 FPS). I have all display setting off, and opaque water on. 19:45 Jordach >and opaque water on. 19:45 Jordach might be a problem? 19:46 m5 Ambient lighting? 19:46 m5 using OpenGL? 19:46 Piggybear87 No, transparent water make me lag more. 19:46 Piggybear87 Yes, OpenGL 2.1.1 19:46 Calinou you mean it gives you lower FPS 19:46 Calinou not lag 19:46 Piggybear87 Yes. 19:47 m5 Oh god not the Lag lecture 19:47 m5 Piggybear87, Does your PC support DirectX> 19:47 Calinou on Windows, it must 19:47 Calinou on other OS, it doesn't 19:50 Piggybear87 I have Lubuntu, so, no. 19:50 Calinou what's your graphics card? 19:50 Calinou lspci | grep VGA 19:50 Piggybear87 I did find a way to support DirectX, but I couldn't figure it out. 19:50 Calinou Wine, indeed 19:50 Calinou it's an hack 19:51 Calinou if you can run natively, don't use Wine 19:51 Piggybear87 Nvidia 6 series. I now, I know... Eeewww Nvidia on linux... 19:51 Piggybear87 know* 19:51 Calinou Piggybear87, which driver? Nouveau or NVIDIA? if NVIDIA, which version? 19:52 Calinou (if you haven't touched anything, you're probably using Nouveau) 19:52 Calinou it's suggested you get NVIDIA driver for better performance, but in exchange you get less flexibility on updates (and a proprietary driver) 19:52 Piggybear87 piggybear87@piggybear87-pc:~$ lspci | grep VGA 19:52 Piggybear87 01:02.0 VGA compatible controller: NVIDIA Corporation NV44A [GeForce 6200] (rev a1) 19:52 Piggybear87 And I have the Nvidia one. 19:52 jin_xi VanessaE: all the signs mods use string concatenations to build up the imagestrings. this is worst case for lua garbage collector according to pil. 19:53 nman3600 hi 19:53 * nman3600 is currently making a texture pack! 19:53 jin_xi so if memory is a concern, try using a table and table.concat 19:54 Calinou I wanted to add signs_lib in Carbone, but thought about performance issues ;) 19:54 Calinou nman3600, screenshots? 19:54 Piggybear87 How do I find out the exact driver? 19:54 Calinou Piggybear87, Software Sources → Additional Drivers 19:56 nman3600 Calinou: https://mediacru.sh/EMdJXg5QEnrW 19:56 nman3600 and Calinou https://mediacru.sh/SrknFHHL2Ofx 19:56 Calinou doesn't look good 19:56 Piggybear87 NVIDIA legacy binary driver - version 304.117 from nvidia-304 (proprietary, tested) 19:57 nman3600 it's called RPGcraft 19:57 Calinou is your pack 16 × 16 or 32 × 32? 19:57 nman3600 16x16 19:57 Calinou Piggybear87, so you're using the NVIDIA one :P 19:57 nman3600 only apple's 32x32 D: is that a prob 19:57 Calinou I guess there's not much to do, apart from reducing max view distance: viewing_range_nodes_min = 40 19:57 Calinou nman3600, yes, inconsistent 19:57 Piggybear87 Like I said. But there's 3 Nvidia ones and the open source one. 19:58 Calinou all 3 probably perform similar 19:58 Piggybear87 Ah, So I have to put up with the lower FPS around light? 19:58 nman3600 Calinou i'm not gonna let 1 bit of bad feedback stop me 19:59 Piggybear87 Or get a new machine with a 400 dollar graphics card... 20:00 Calinou nman3600, well, I'm sure other people will have similar opinions 20:00 Calinou Piggybear87, you certainly don't need 400 dollar graphics card for Minetest 20:00 Calinou an IGP is enough – that costs 0 (it's in your CPU) 20:00 Calinou but the ones in older CPUs suck ;) 20:01 Piggybear87 Yeah, mine only supports OpenGL 1.3 which makes my sky and inventory textures black... 20:02 Piggybear87 I have to run my machine in recovery mode because of my graphics card. Maybe that'[s my low FPS problem... 20:03 Jordach Piggybear87, don't buy an AMD machine 20:03 Piggybear87 That's* 20:03 Jordach (i have driver issues with the latest kernel) 20:03 Piggybear87 Jordach, Why? That's what I was looking at. 20:03 Megaf folks, what do you think if I make an IRC server to link the servers, where each player name will have the same user name on iRC? 20:03 Piggybear87 Oh... 20:03 Megaf we could use that as account control too 20:03 Jordach Piggybear87, i got to the Desktop of Ubuntu, then it went black and was not respondingh 20:03 Jordach (in LiveCD) 20:03 Calinou Piggybear87, don't buy an AMD machine 20:04 Calinou well, that's valid from an hardware standpoint 20:04 Calinou high power usage, low single thread performance, worse motherboards, not cheaper, bleak future… 20:04 * Megaf have an AMD machine is really happy with it 20:04 Calinou Megaf, I'm talking about hardware in 2014 here 20:04 Calinou if you're buying something new 20:04 Jordach Calinou, they fucking compressed an R9 into an APU 20:04 Megaf I agree with poor signle thread performance 20:04 Calinou Intel is lonely, in front of AMD, except for very specific use cases 20:04 Jordach http://www.ebuyer.com/613105-amd-a10-7850k-black-edition-3-7ghz-socket-fm2-apu-4mb-cache-retail-ad785kxbjabox 20:05 Piggybear87 I like the hardware it comes with, and it was only ~400 buck (as opposed to an Intel with the same specs at ~500 bucks...) 20:05 Calinou Jordach, wrong, it's severely downclocked 20:05 Calinou Piggybear87, specs don't matter, what matters is performance 20:05 Jordach Calinou, does intel have GPU-ish performance on the iX? 20:05 Calinou I hope you don't buy graphic cards based on VRAM amount on them 20:05 * Jordach doesn't 20:05 Calinou Jordach, it's worse, but do you really need it? 20:05 Megaf Calinou: AMD is actually better in true CPU intensive multithread scenarios and virtualization of several OSes at the same time 20:05 Jordach i've been looking at the GTX780 20:05 Calinou the graphics performance of the high end APUs has no real use 20:05 Calinou too slow for AAA games, too fast for lightweight games 20:06 Jordach Calinou, bollocks 20:06 Jordach i can get smooth sailing 60fps on TF2 at 10870p 20:06 Megaf AMD is slow for doing one thing at time, but it can do several things at the same time 20:06 Jordach -7 20:06 Calinou not to mention worse drivers in general (outside of Windows) 20:06 OldCoder Amaz, fishy* asked me not to announce the new world formally. I won't put any of them on the server list until a move is completed. But I'd like to announce the new world here simply for visitors. Would he mind if it is made clear this is only a demo? 20:06 Calinou Megaf, Intel does the multiple things as fast… and the single thread 50% faster 20:06 Calinou (not to mention higher RAM bandwidth, even though this isn't useful to most people) 20:07 Calinou Jordach, an HD 4600 could maybe get these, if you tweak settings 20:07 Megaf Calinou: on Desktops yes, but Opterons have a super quick Hyper Transport bus 20:07 Megaf maybe AMD should make better server chips and use Opterons on desktop... 20:09 Piggybear87 ~400 bucks for a six core with 8 GB of RAM is good though. 20:09 ShadowBot Piggybear87: Error: You must be registered to use this command. If you are already registered, you must either identify (using the identify command) or add a hostmask matching your current hostmask (using the "hostmask add" command). 20:09 Megaf indeed 20:09 Calinou Megaf, server CPUs aren't useful to the vast majority of people: they're expensive for no reason 20:09 Calinou Piggybear87, erm, six “cores” 20:09 Piggybear87 ShadowBot, Shut up. 20:09 Calinou these are not true cores, in the FXs 20:09 Calinou you have 3 modules ;) 20:09 Calinou maybe AMD should make better server chips and use Opterons on desktop... 20:09 Calinou AMD would never do that 20:09 Megaf I still want to buy the Phenom II x6 20:10 Jordach Calinou, thoughs on the GTX 780 20:10 Calinou too expensive 20:10 Jordach thoughts* 20:10 Calinou power hog card :( 20:10 Calinou small cards like 750 Ti are the future, to me 20:10 Calinou easy to install, small, quiet… while not very fast, it's a smart choice 20:10 Megaf amd phenom ii x6 1090t 20:10 Megaf my next upgrade 20:10 Calinou (I doubt AMD can do the same thing, especially power efficiency) 20:10 Calinou (they failed on the CPU side already) 20:11 Jordach Calinou, http://www.ebuyer.com/618545-msi-geforce-gtx-750-1g-oc-n750-1gd5-oc 20:11 Calinou 750 and 750 Ti are different 20:11 Calinou also, that one has reference-like heatsink, not that good 20:11 Jordach my kind of price range (note that my power suppy is 250w, must bump to 650w) 20:11 Calinou “- £90 in game for Warface, Path of Exile, and 20:11 Calinou Heroes of Newerth (£30 for each game)” → HoN is free to play 20:11 Calinou nice try 20:12 Calinou Jordach, 250W?! which brand? 20:12 Jordach unknown in this tower 20:12 Amaz OldCoder, I'm sorry, I don't quite get your meaning... 20:13 Calinou probably a crappy one 20:13 Calinou change ASAP 20:14 Calinou Added animated active locked furnace texture, texture improvements. 20:16 Piggybear87 To me, money matters and here's why I prefer AMD... http://pastebin.com/zjTNT8BV 20:18 Piggybear87 Forgot the prices... http://pastebin.com/6daXpMrX 20:18 VanessaE jin_xi: I'm not worried about memory usage, but apparently minetest handles the actual composited image result VERY poorly 20:19 VanessaE (the client does, that is) 20:20 VanessaE specifically sapier determined that they are the cause for the poor FPS around spawns on my server 20:20 VanessaE servers* 20:21 Calinou Piggybear87, the prices are actually almost the same, not to mention Intel will be slightly cheaper when used (less power used) 20:21 Calinou the 4930K obviously has bad perf/price, but is much, much faster than FX-6300 (twice as fast?) 20:21 Piggybear87 My power is included in my rent. 20:21 Calinou learn to choose hardware, then compare again 20:21 VanessaE jin_xi: I can only imagine that the engine is actually compositing all of the images used, in realtime, frame by frame. 20:21 Calinou the comparison isn't fair at all 20:21 Calinou a fairer one is FX-8350 vs i5-4570 20:22 Calinou on both sides, a decent 990X and H87 motherboard 20:22 Piggybear87 I went with the closes Ghz six core, and the same rame. 20:22 Calinou (not an insane one) 20:22 Calinou the 4930K has six real cores 20:22 Calinou unlike the FX-6300 which has 3 modules 20:22 Piggybear87 I don't have more than a grand to spaen on a machine... 20:22 Calinou that power supply is crap 20:22 Piggybear87 spend* 20:22 Calinou it'll likely boom all your stuff 20:22 Calinou same for case 20:23 Calinou graphics card is also useless, but hey, the FXs require them as they lack an IGP (unlike Intel) 20:23 Piggybear87 I picked the cheapest cases to keep it fair, and the AMD HAS on board video... 20:24 Calinou no 20:24 Piggybear87 ASUS M5A78L-M LX PLUS AM3+, Onboard Video,Sound, GB LAN 20:24 Piggybear87 Onboard video... 20:24 Calinou some _motherboards_ (which era do we live in?) have chipset, with VERY limited 3D capabilities 20:24 Calinou it's something you do NOT want 20:24 Calinou at all 20:24 Calinou Intel has proper IGPs, with fast 2D and decent 3D and very good drivers 20:25 Piggybear87 AMD is unlocked from the factory without paying extra... 20:25 Calinou I doubt you need to overclock anyway; it's mostly a waste of time 20:25 Calinou (and reduces your perf/watt ratio) 20:25 Piggybear87 Again, I don't pay electric... 20:25 Calinou the non-K models can already have their Turbo ratios slightly increase (200-300MHz), better than nothing 20:25 Calinou Piggybear87, it means more heat and noise too 20:25 Calinou and time spent configuring and testing (oh god…) the overclock 20:26 Calinou if you've spent 1 hour testing an overclock on a burn-in software, you've wasted time :P 20:26 Piggybear87 I've got fans laying around and noise doesn't bother me. 20:26 Amaz OldCoder, I'm sure he wouldn't mid. 20:28 OldCoder Amaz, kk. You announce then. ANNOUNCE: Amaz will now speak very briefly about 20:28 OldCoder minetest.org:30020 20:28 OldCoder LORD OF THE TEST 20:28 OldCoder (dramatic music) 20:28 OldCoder 20:28 Piggybear87 Integrated ATI Radeon™ HD 3000 GPU 20:30 Amaz Basicly, it is a Lord of the Rings themed subgame, which OldCoder has very kindly agreed to host. I am the secondary developer of it, with FishyWET being the first. If you could come onto the server, and give us any suggestions/bugs we would be very grateful! 20:30 OldCoder FishyWET wanted it known this is just a snapshot 20:30 Amaz You can leave bugs/suggestions here: https://lordofthetest.titanpad.com/Lord-Of-The-Test-Public-Discussion 20:30 OldCoder He found some sort of issue that he plans to update very shortly 20:30 Amaz Yep. 20:32 Amaz There are 1 or 2 little bugs, with the result of a smelting recipe, and something else/ 20:32 Calinou Integrated ATI Radeon™ HD 3000 GPU 20:32 Calinou that thing is ~8 years old and it's very low end 20:32 Calinou I'm not trying to demean you or anything… 20:33 Piggybear87 It comes out to cost... I would never spend more than 500 bucks on a machine. DEFIANTLY not more than 1000 bucks! 20:35 Piggybear87 I can literally buy 2 of those AMD's for the cost of 1 Intel. 20:38 Piggybear87 !up minetest.org 30011 20:38 MinetestBot minetest.org:30011 is up (616ms) 20:39 Calinou it's “definitely” 20:39 Calinou and I said it already, you're doing it wrong 20:39 Vazon cand someone help me with curl and media speeds? 20:39 VanessaE Piggybear87: it'll cost you round about $700 for a good, decent fast gaming box. 20:39 Calinou VanessaE, it depends a lot on which games you want to play 20:39 VanessaE a bit more than that for a good laptop 20:39 Calinou a bit more? more like twice. 20:39 VanessaE Calinou: I said "decent fast", not "shit hot fast" ;) 20:39 Calinou but gaming laptops are noisy and hot anyway 20:39 Piggybear87 That machine is pretty damn fast for the cost... 20:40 Calinou it isn't; it'll feel less responsive than one with Intel CPU 20:40 Calinou I hope you have a SSD too… 20:40 Calinou it's what matters a lot for perceived speed 20:40 Calinou you can have i7 and HDD, your machine will feel slow ;) 20:40 Piggybear87 I can add one for 64 dollars. 20:41 Piggybear87 OldCoder, I can't connect to Landrush. 20:41 Calinou better have a fairly large one, so that you can put all your programs on it, or ideally, everything 20:41 Calinou (many SSD brands suck, like Corsair, remember) 20:41 Piggybear87 I have a few 80+ HDD's laying around for my music and such.. 20:42 Piggybear87 80+GB* 20:43 VanessaE Samsung 840's are good, this Mushkin 120 Chronos Enhanced is good too. 20:43 OldCoder Piggybear87, reviewing 20:43 OldCoder What is happening, exactly? 20:43 Piggybear87 Also, I have a machine with a slower CPU that I can stuff 4 HDD's into and 8 USB HDD's for practically unlimited storage space. 20:44 Piggybear87 I just can't connect. It gets to "connecting to server" and it hangs. 20:44 Vazon Can someone please help me with curl and media speed issues 20:45 Calinou Also, I have a machine with a slower CPU that I can stuff 4 HDD's into and 8 USB HDD's for practically unlimited storage space. 20:45 Calinou any PC can do that today. 20:45 Calinou (desktop) 20:46 Piggybear87 I know, but I wouldn't need a huge SSD for anything. Just Minetest. That's all I play. 20:47 Calinou 64GB SSDs are quite slow and are starting to die 20:47 * sfan5 throws cookies at Calinou 20:48 Calinou I'm not angry 20:49 OldCoder Piggybear87, I shall try to connect now 20:49 OldCoder Which port, again? 20:50 Piggybear87 30011 20:51 OldCoder Piggybear87, there may be a bug in latest git 20:51 OldCoder I see no signs of network or server hardware problems 20:51 OldCoder Or a bug in the world 20:51 Piggybear87 On my side, or yours? 20:51 OldCoder In the world? I mean in the world 20:51 Piggybear87 No, a bug in the newest git. 20:51 OldCoder Hm? That would be in the code 20:52 OldCoder Let me restart the world 20:52 Piggybear87 I know, but would it be server side or client side? 20:52 OldCoder As you are using the same client as before 20:52 OldCoder Presumably server side 20:52 OldCoder Hang on; I will restart the world 20:52 OldCoder We will need to see this happen a few times 20:52 OldCoder To gather information 20:52 Piggybear87 No, I updated today. And OK. 20:52 OldCoder Piggybear87, favor; 20:53 Piggybear87 Yes? 20:53 OldCoder try 30012 or 30020 20:53 OldCoder Actually, both 20:53 OldCoder able to connect or not to those? 20:54 Piggybear87 30020 connects, and 30012 hangs at "media...". 20:55 OldCoder Interesting 20:55 Piggybear87 Wait, no. 20:55 Piggybear87 30020 hangs at media also. 20:55 OldCoder I suspect a MT bug 20:55 Piggybear87 Did you update today also? 20:55 Amaz I'm on 30020. 20:55 OldCoder See if it happens on any other servers that have latest git 20:55 OldCoder Yes 20:55 OldCoder Amaz, the issue happens 20:55 OldCoder during connect 20:55 Amaz Okay. 20:56 OldCoder Piggybear87, I rebuilt yesterday I think 20:56 OldCoder But I was able to connect afterwards 20:56 Amaz Should I quit and try come back on 20:56 Amaz ? 20:56 Piggybear87 I will re-try, maybe I'm not giving it enough time. 20:56 OldCoder I am going to restart now; so, yes 20:56 Amaz Okay. 20:56 OldCoder Tell #minetest-dev media is slow 20:56 Vazon aaaa the restart got me 20:56 Vazon lol 20:57 sfan5 OldCoder: are you using remote_media? 20:58 Piggybear87 OldCoder, I'm connecting to landrush, but it's horrible slow. 21:00 Piggybear87 And it's hanging at media again. 21:18 Vazon Piggy that is why people are timing out, there hanging on media :| 21:24 OldCoder Piggybear87, I am setting up curl right now 21:24 OldCoder Piggybear87, Vazon people will need curl clients 21:24 OldCoder This is a known issue 21:24 OldCoder From now on, curl should be thought of as a requirement 21:25 MinetestBot GIT: sfan5 commited to minetest/minetest: Allow custom liquids to have drops 282f53ddb7 2014-06-08T23:25:13+02:00 http://git.io/ixvIHg 21:32 Piggybear87 OldCoder, Does the ppa version of Minetest have curl? 21:32 sfan5 Piggybear87: probably 21:33 sfan5 I'd be surprised if it didn't 21:33 Piggybear87 OK, How do I check? 21:33 Amaz By trying to join an OldCoder server? 21:34 Piggybear87 Nevermind. I went to singleplayer and hit esc and it say curl=1 21:35 OldCoder Piggybear87, Amaz not ready yet 21:35 OldCoder I am building the curl repository 21:35 OldCoder Vazon, ^ 21:35 Amaz Okay. 21:35 Vazon ok thanks 21:37 ExoKruzer I have a question.. I run modded minecraft servers, however.. Since this EULA crap that has been going on.. i am looking for other options. Does Minetest have the same EULA as mojang? As in.. are servers allowed to sell perks for money in minetest? 21:42 OldCoder Amaz, Vazon ready to retest in a little while. This will be appreciated. 21:42 Amaz Okay. 21:42 Amaz Have the servers been restarted? 21:43 Miner_48er ExoKruzer read the website or github page 21:44 Amaz ExoKruser: I believe that it would be okay, but it may be frowned upon by some community members... 21:45 ExoKruzer Alrighty 21:46 ExoKruzer I have another question.. I rent a few dedicated servers from OVH with centos 6.5 on it. Is there a way to set up a minetest server using it? Or is that not available yet? 21:46 Amaz What's OVH? A VPS? 21:46 Miner_48er compile it from source 21:47 Amaz If so then do as Miner_48er says. 21:47 ExoKruzer I dont use VPS.. I use the dedicated servers. Meaning im in control to the entire "computer" and no one else 21:47 ExoKruzer Alrighty, thanks 21:47 Amaz Okay. 21:47 Amaz Then as Miner_48er said. 21:48 OldCoder Vazon, indicate depth again for edit of your world. In game units. 21:48 OldCoder Vazon, also is the latest _game uploaded? 21:49 Miner_48er ExoKruzer have you tried a minetest server? 21:49 Vazon OldCoder -1500 as in x,-1500,z and no the newest game inst uplaoded i have already made some changes should be up soon 21:50 OldCoder kk 21:50 OldCoder proceed pls 21:50 OldCoder also what mod does this autoban thing? 21:52 OldCoder 21:52 OldCoder what is remote_port for again? 21:52 NakedFury hello 21:53 OldCoder NakedFury, 5 worlds up shortly 21:53 OldCoder with LuaJit, curl, latest stuff 21:53 OldCoder Including Lord of the test 21:53 NakedFury did you fix the problem with clients you were experiencing before> 21:53 NakedFury ? 21:53 OldCoder Yes 21:53 OldCoder IIRC 21:54 LemonLake I'm really quite annoyed right now, I really want to make a mod but idk what to make :/ 21:54 OldCoder I can cross-build both 32 and 64 bit 21:54 OldCoder Is there a MT setting to disable fog? 21:54 NakedFury Lemonlake if you know enough coding why not try a Terrafirmacraft inspired game for minetest? 21:55 VanessaE OldCoder: press F3 21:55 ExoKruzer Miner_48er, what do you mean? 21:55 OldCoder VanessaE, no; I am preparing new conf files 21:55 LemonLake NakedFury: Terrafirmacraft? 21:55 Miner_48er Have you tried a few servers to see what the differences are? 21:56 ExoKruzer I havent even tried the game 21:57 Amaz Maybe you should do that... 21:58 NakedFury its a minecraft mod 21:58 LemonLake NakedFury: I looked it up but don't quite understand it, what do you mean? 21:58 LemonLake NakedFury: I don't like the idea of copying a minecraft mod... 21:58 NakedFury its realistic in things 21:58 NakedFury blocks fall if not supported 21:58 LemonLake NakedFury: I'm all up for making something realistic but I'm sure something already does that 21:58 NakedFury the crafting is very different 21:59 NakedFury I dont think we have a mod that makes blocks fall if not supported, so making cave houses is difficult 21:59 LemonLake NakedFury: The idea of it makes world generation a lot more laggy, the world generation is like that 21:59 NakedFury yeah thats the downside 21:59 LemonLake NakedFury: And too big of one to bother 22:00 OldCoder What does public_serverlist = do? 22:01 LemonLake OldCoder: It remembers if you ticked the public serverlist box or not, if true it'll automatically show public servers in 'client' 22:02 Vazon VanessaE: is there a place in the technic toolworkshop to slow down the repair a bit? 22:02 LemonLake Okay, still on the ignore list. 22:02 LemonLake Goodbye anyway 22:03 Amaz Right, I'm going now! 22:03 OldCoder Is RedCrab world up and expected to continue? 22:04 Vazon RedCrab is having technical problems i believe 22:04 OldCoder ty 22:04 OldCoder I have a copy 22:05 OldCoder I have a question. No controversy is wished. Landrush had 17,000 visitors. Most were transitory though. Essentially nobody would pay $2 per month to access a world; correct? 22:05 Vazon i'm confused bythis question OldCoder 22:06 OldCoder Vazon, my colocation host has often expressed interest in business models... 22:06 VanessaE Vazon: redcrab:30401 is up and seems to work just fine with current git, amazingly enough 22:06 OldCoder I host these worlds for free. And access to the key people would always be free. Plus I give away copies for free so that anybody can host. If I charged the public for access, I assume nobody would enter. Correct? 22:07 OldCoder Vazon, ^ 22:07 OldCoder * for the key people 22:07 * VanessaE looks around the spawn 22:07 VanessaE seems about the same as I remember it 22:08 VanessaE it's a little laggy 22:08 VanessaE but it works 22:08 VanessaE my house is still here 22:08 Vazon yes 22:08 OldCoder 17,000 people. So many. 22:09 Vazon OldCoder why not do donations, i would befine doing something like this on for my server 22:09 OldCoder Vazon, heh 22:09 OldCoder You are young 22:09 Vazon donate and you get special items 22:09 OldCoder Out of 100,000 people; 5 would donate 22:09 OldCoder about $1 22:09 OldCoder Once 22:09 OldCoder 22:10 Vazon yes but o well 22:10 OldCoder Server actually costs me money. This is just thinking. 22:10 OldCoder Probably too soon 22:10 ExoKruzer It depends on what you offer them in return for money.. 22:10 OldCoder We'll wait and see how things go. But fair notice; I am considering the option. 22:10 OldCoder ExoKruzer, access to a fast server and a large world 22:10 OldCoder That would be about it 22:10 OldCoder I should have about 20 worlds again soon 22:10 OldCoder Possibly a single payment gets access to 20 varied worlds 22:11 OldCoder Might fly 22:11 ExoKruzer Am i allowed to show you what i use for my servers? 22:11 ExoKruzer well, link you 22:11 OldCoder Hm? Me? of course 22:12 OldCoder If I did something like this people would be pretty angry; but it would be anger without cause if I make copies available 22:12 ExoKruzer http://www.soyoustart.com/us/offers/ssd-3.xml I use that 22:12 OldCoder R 22:12 ExoKruzer It is pretty cheap and very powerful 22:12 OldCoder ExoKruzer, not following; what are you showing us? 22:12 OldCoder Ah 22:13 OldCoder Just a disk? Fine 22:13 ExoKruzer A server to run tests on or host public servers 22:13 OldCoder Not following; pls continue 22:14 OldCoder Sorry but your page doesn't make things clear 22:14 OldCoder Advisable to add a clear mission statement or use case 22:14 OldCoder What is it that this page is for? 22:14 OldCoder And how does it connect to you? 22:14 * OldCoder is migrating Landrush to LevelDB 22:14 OldCoder ^ Vazon, others 22:15 * asl think landrush is going to break 22:15 ExoKruzer Thats not mine. That is a host for dedicated servers. What i saw in your conversation it seems like you need resources/power to run multiple worlds/servers to run tests on or let people use.. 22:15 OldCoder asl, go on; explain 22:15 OldCoder ExoKruzer, I have plenty hardware ATM :-) 22:15 OldCoder Need money to pay for it 22:15 asl landrush is HUGE 22:15 OldCoder asl, LevelDB should help. Plus I deleted 2GB of Nether. 22:16 asl elevator to nether level still exist 22:16 OldCoder asl, but it no longer generates 22:16 OldCoder and I deleted what was there 22:16 OldCoder Nether is too damn big 22:16 OldCoder Hmm 22:17 asl can you at least add back netherrack (the block)? 22:17 OldCoder Blocks are still there! asl. I think it might fly. I'll run 20 good worlds. If traffic builds, fee to access. One fee for all the worlds. Copies for free to all; people can't complain. 22:17 OldCoder asl, Brandon edited Nether 22:17 asl i got a floor make out of it and it turn into unknown block 22:17 OldCoder It is still there 22:17 OldCoder I can share the mod with you and you can tell me the problem 22:18 OldCoder I'll give you the whole landrush_game.zip 22:18 Vazon its Netherrank Brick i believe 22:18 OldCoder Will that help? 22:18 Vazon netherrack is still in 22:18 OldCoder So what is the problem with his block? 22:18 asl it's normal netherrack, my shop turn into unknown blocks 22:18 OldCoder Hm. Landrush migrate may take 20 minutes 22:18 OldCoder Vazon, can you comment on his issue? 22:18 OldCoder Also let me know when you have uploaded new _game 22:20 OldCoder Vazon, asl, Amaz my worlds will restart in a bit. I have added curl to make media whoosh by :P also changing some worlds to LevelDB. LuaJit in place. Not sure what to do to make it faster. 22:20 asl disable all the mods, that will make it faster :P 22:20 OldCoder Awww but people love their mods 22:20 OldCoder Plus LuaJit helps with that 22:20 Vazon ok 22:21 OldCoder Landrush migrate at 3%. Possibly a full hour to migrate. It *is* a large world. 22:22 OldCoder Vazon, I'm going to go feed http://oldcoder.org/cluck.jpg but may edit your levels after 22:22 Vazon kk 22:39 OldCoder Vazon, back and dropping all blocks below block depth -92 which should be game depth -1472. 22:39 OldCoder Landrush migrate is at 10% 22:39 Vazon mhmm that would just cut off one of my players that still players builds 22:39 OldCoder Might start other worlds without waiting for that one 22:39 OldCoder Vazon, the granularity is times 16 22:39 OldCoder If I do -93 22:40 OldCoder Might be -1486 22:40 OldCoder Would that be right? 22:40 OldCoder Understand... 22:40 Vazon yes i know and yes -93 should just make it 22:40 OldCoder the test is for *below* this number 22:40 OldCoder Where is the player at? 22:40 Vazon -1479 i belive 22:40 OldCoder Yes; then -93 22:40 OldCoder What do you have at -1500 ? 22:41 Vazon nothing there are just some publics mines that go the deep and that person has personal builds down there. 22:41 OldCoder No 22:41 OldCoder I mean, you 22:41 OldCoder What are we dropping at -1500? 22:41 OldCoder Out of curiosity 22:42 OldCoder Vazon, edit is done. (1) Answer above out of curiosity. (2) Upload new _game. (3) Test your world and see if it all worked. (4) I will then migrate you to LevelDB. 22:43 OldCoder Hm 22:43 OldCoder 40% of your map was down there 22:43 OldCoder Vazon, ^ 22:43 Vazon ok, and we are droping that because there are many ores that because of mines that generate up higher but will not generate till like -10000 so i want that area regenerated 22:43 OldCoder What was so large down there? 40% of the size was there 22:44 Vazon OldCoder i seem to have a bunch of miners not builds xD 22:44 OldCoder Ah 22:44 OldCoder Minahs 22:44 OldCoder Very well 22:44 OldCoder Finish your _game 22:44 Vazon its almost done like another 5 min and i will start moving it to the ftp server 22:45 OldCoder Vazon, see PM 22:46 Vazon i did 22:49 OldCoder kkty 23:22 ligeti goodnight all 23:28 kaeza evenings 23:40 Eater4 OldCoder: how do I get minetest to run a script 23:40 Eater4 ?? 23:41 OldCoder Eater4, Hi! Can you elaborate? 23:41 OldCoder You can write a mod 23:42 OldCoder In Lua 23:42 OldCoder It can do a number of things for you 23:42 Eater4 Nvm 23:43 Vazon ok back 23:45 OldCoder Hang on 23:45 OldCoder Vazon, I have migrated your world to LevelDB 23:45 OldCoder And deleted the lower levels 23:45 OldCoder Wait 23:45 Vazon ok 23:47 OldCoder Damn 23:47 OldCoder Hang on 23:48 Vazon whats wrong? 23:48 OldCoder Not your world 23:48 OldCoder Wait 23:49 OldCoder Vazon, I terminated the Landrush migration by mistake I think. anyway enter your world but use a curl client. 23:52 Vazon ??? what is a curl client 23:52 ShadowBot Vazon: Error: You must be registered to use this command. If you are already registered, you must either identify (using the identify command) or add a hostmask matching your current hostmask (using the "hostmask add" command). 23:52 OldCoder Vazon, I lack the time to talk you through this. But curl is a standard feature these days. Some clients have it and some do not. 23:52 OldCoder Int he future 23:52 OldCoder In the future * 23:53 OldCoder All of the clients I build will have it 23:53 Vazon kk 23:53 OldCoder It is needed to solve network problems 23:54 Vazon ok