IRC log for #minetest, 2014-06-08

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Time	Nick	Message
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00:36	Piggybear87	asl, Vazon, WTH>
00:36	Piggybear87	?*
00:36	asl	Vazon & OldCoder: server quit
00:37	OldCoder	Hi
00:37	OldCoder	Checking
00:37	asl	what happen this time?  not my fault again is it?
00:37	OldCoder	wait
00:37	OldCoder	which server
00:38	asl	landrush
00:38	OldCoder	asl, busy teaching
00:38	OldCoder	kk om
00:38	OldCoder	bad argument #4 to 'get_objects_inside_radius' (number expected, got nil)
00:39	OldCoder	andrush_game/mods/pipeworks/item_transport.lua:485: in function 'callback'
00:39	OldCoder	mesecons_mvps/init.lua:38: in function 'on_mvps_move'
00:39	OldCoder	asl, Piggybear87, Vazon see error above
00:40	Piggybear87	I'm not using the pipes atm.
00:40	OldCoder	Those messages were the crash
00:46	asl	pipeworks on landrush is outdated
00:46	asl	https://github.com/VanessaE/pipeworks/commit/fd3c88eb861eac35760ebcb27c9519097aa9f176#diff-72f6f2a49898625bce20699a7f8b838fL481
00:47	asl	i guess the only way to fix it is to update the pipeworks
00:48	asl	OldCoder ^
00:49	Piggybear87	asl, is there ANYTHING that can stop the movestone? Everything keeps getting pushed and it pops off of the tracks.
00:49	asl	i don't think so, just lesser the mesecon i guess
00:50	Piggybear87	Then it will pop off one earlier. Lol. Why make something like that and not make it be able to stop in time?
00:52	Piggybear87	It crashed again. Oh well, I need to work on mine anyway.
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00:53	asl	OldCoder: think you can just update the pipeworks mod on landrush? it might fix the problem
00:54	Piggybear87	OldCoder, is a teacher? What does he teach?
00:57	asl	it seem my pipeworks is also outdated :/
00:57	OldCoder	asl, sure but I am only here to chat lightly right now. I am teaching webdev in Sacramento presently.
00:58	OldCoder	Piggybear87, ^
00:58	OldCoder	I am mostly unemployed but I do occasionally teach or tutor
00:58	OldCoder	I did No Child Left Behind a couple of months ago
00:59	Vazon	mhmm
01:01	Vazon	maby update pipe works that is the only thing i ca nthink of
01:05	Piggybear87	Web development, nice. An old co-worker of mine did that in his spare time and made almost a grand a week (outside of normal work). I told him I wish I made that kind of money, and he said to learn how to code... ANYTHING, coding is in high demand.
01:07	Piggybear87	I'm going to disable some parts that I can figure out how to from pipeworks. I don't need the water parts, only the clear pipes for technic.
01:09	Megaf	It's so weird to see a Megaf that is not me
01:10	Piggybear87	Is anyone on here going to use my server when I launch?
01:10	Piggybear87	It's OK if no, I just need a head count and need opinions.
01:11	asl	idk, really depend on the mod
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01:14	Piggybear87	That's the opinions I need. What would you like to see in a server? (Remember that I have an older comp...)
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01:16	Megaf	kaeza; whos the admin?
01:16	Megaf	that "Megaf" is telling people is the real Megaf
01:16	Megaf	lol
01:28	kaeza	Megaf, Nate
01:28	Megaf	kaeza; do you know that IRC server?
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01:31	kaeza	Megaf, connect to chat.inchra.net and join #minetest
01:32	kaeza	if that does not work, try digitalaudioconcepts.com
01:35	Piggybear87	asl, The server hates you dude...
01:35	asl	i know
01:36	Piggybear87	Lol. Vazon can you get debug.txt's from the server?
01:36	asl	i reproduce it alreadt
01:36	asl	already*
01:36	Piggybear87	What is it?
01:36	asl	https://github.com/VanessaE/pipeworks/issues/69
01:37	asl	https://github.com/Jeija/minetest-mod-mesecons/issues/164
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01:38	Vazon	mhmm
01:38	Vazon	i just think update pipeworks
01:39	Piggybear87	asl, What are you near to make it crash when you logon?
01:39	asl	my shop testing the semi-auto harvester
01:40	Piggybear87	My movestone wasn't crashing it though.
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01:40	Piggybear87	Where is your shop?
01:40	asl	join landrush and type /whereis asl97
01:41	Piggybear87	OK.
01:41	asl	you can get there using the airport at spawn 1
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02:12	Megaf	movestone do crash server
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02:16	asl	movestone are buggy :/
02:19	ShadowNinja	kaeza: irc.inchra.net*
02:21	kaeza	oops
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03:00	Piggybear87	asl, Sorry about that...
03:00	asl	lol
03:22	Vazon	Piggybear87 are people still timing out?
03:22	Piggybear87	No.
03:22	Vazon	mhm maby your crash fixed it
03:23	Vazon	let me restart mine
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03:39	Vazon	mhm didn't work
03:55	Megaf	Who owns the MRC Server?
04:00	Vazon	MRC?
04:05	Megaf	yep
04:05	Megaf	there's a fake Megaf there
04:05	Megaf	someone is using my name on several servers
04:11	Vazon	they used my name as well,
04:11	Megaf	Vazon; Whats the shield recipe?
04:11	Megaf	on 3d armor
04:14	Megaf	anyone?
04:16	Vazon	shield recipe
04:17	Vazon	is x,x,x
04:17	Vazon	x,x,x
04:17	Vazon	o,x,o
04:17	Megaf	Thanks Vazon, I got it
04:18	Vazon	your welcome
04:18	Megaf	I was using a stick, that was the problem
04:18	Vazon	lol
04:18	Vazon	ShadowNinja
04:19	Megaf	so, I see there room for one more item
04:19	Megaf	on 3D armor,
04:19	Megaf	what item is that?
04:19	Vazon	yes he is adding capes maby later on
04:32	Vazon	is it possible to make it where areas no longer protect inventorys?
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04:33	Piggybear87	God dammit son of a bitch!
04:33	Piggybear87	Why does Minetest lock up my computer???
04:33	asl	lol
04:34	VanessaE	bad OS, Piggybear87
04:34	VanessaE	a userland app can't lock up your PC unless your OS is broken.
04:34	Piggybear87	It totally froze. I couldn't even move the mouse...
04:35	Piggybear87	Brand new Lubuntu install. I downloaded and burned 2 days ago.
04:35	Piggybear87	I checked the disk for errors also.
04:35	VanessaE	then I would have to suggest a hardware fault. :(
04:35	VanessaE	didn't you try to install a GPU the other day?
04:35	VanessaE	(which failed)
04:36	Piggybear87	Maybe that I only have 786Mb of ram...
04:36	VanessaE	well that's not a LOT, but that shouldn't cause a lock-up
04:36	Piggybear87	I installed it and it's fine now (in recovery mode)...
04:36	VanessaE	however,
04:36	VanessaE	768MB is an uncommon size
04:36	VanessaE	what should you have?
04:36	Piggybear87	It's a 512 and 256.
04:36	VanessaE	that's a strange combination.
04:36	VanessaE	how long have you used it like that?
04:37	Piggybear87	It's all I had laying around, and since I built this. It had 2, 512's in it but one was bad.
04:37	VanessaE	take the 256 out and see how it behaves.
04:37	Vazon	VanessaE: do you have any idea for my question?
04:37	VanessaE	Vazon: *scrolls back* ..  um..   not really, no
04:38	Piggybear87	I can run on 512... This thing lags already...
04:38	VanessaE	Piggybear87: do it anyway
04:38	VanessaE	see how it behaves
04:38	Vazon	because my players are trrying to make a public technic but areas istn letting that happen
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04:38	VanessaE	if it's stable, either the 256 is also bad, or more likely your motherboard doesn't like running two different sizes - a lot of motherboards hate that
04:38	Vazon	maby like /area_openinv ?
04:39	VanessaE	Vazon: afaik areas mod doesn't normally do that anymore though.
04:39	* VanessaE	pokes ShadowNinja
04:39	VanessaE	ask him :)
04:39	Piggybear87	I'm going to bed in a bit, so I will do it before I boot up in the morning. And yeah, I got an error saying "mis-matched ram blah blah"
04:39	Vazon	well it would be nice to have for this reason
04:39	VanessaE	Piggybear87: then you already know the issue.
04:39	VanessaE	lose the 256.
04:40	VanessaE	better you should pick up a couple of cheap 1GB sticks when you get a chance next.
04:40	VanessaE	(make sure they're compatible with your mobo of course)
04:40	Piggybear87	It's a max of 1 gig it says online..
04:40	VanessaE	old board.
04:40	Piggybear87	Very.
04:40	VanessaE	but ok
04:41	VanessaE	go with 512 and add some swap if you have to
04:41	VanessaE	until you can put another 512 in there
04:41	Piggybear87	Add some swap?
04:41	VanessaE	mmhmm
04:41	Piggybear87	What does that mean?
04:41	VanessaE	when you install an OS, you can configure a portion of your hard drive to act as virtual memory
04:41	VanessaE	we call it swap in the linux/unix world
04:42	Vazon	im worried about the The Sentinel Empire server, they are making things like minecraft, they have changed chat to be like minecraft abd was going
04:42	VanessaE	in windows, it's called a page file
04:42	Piggybear87	Oh, like a Windows page file?
04:42	Piggybear87	Yeah.
04:42	Vazon	to change it where palyers had to install the mods they have just ot playe and stuff like that
04:42	VanessaE	same concept
04:42	VanessaE	you can either add a swap file now, or you can re-install, re-partition the disk and add one then
04:42	VanessaE	either way works
04:42	Piggybear87	So I would have to reinstall and lose everything again?
04:42	VanessaE	it's a matter of personal preference.
04:43	VanessaE	if you add a swap file now, you lose nothing
04:43	VanessaE	but it's ever so slightly slower than having it in a separate partition, or so I understand.
04:44	Piggybear87	Wouldn't suppose you would wanna do a how-to, would you?
04:44	VanessaE	as root, you would do something like:   dd if=/dev/zero of=/var/swapfile bs=1048576 count=1024     and then edit your /etc/fstab to point to it.
04:45	VanessaE	(the above command will create a 1GB swap named /var/swapfile )
04:45	VanessaE	then you edit your /etc/fstab to point to it, and as root,   mkswap /var/swapfile   to initialize it.
04:45	VanessaE	then, as root,   swapon -a
04:46	VanessaE	(normally when you install Linux, it offers these options to you, and even warns you if you skip adding swap)
04:47	VanessaE	when you point /etc/fstab to it, all you have to do is add a line like this, to the file:
04:47	VanessaE	/dev/xxxxx       none    swap    sw      0       0
04:48	VanessaE	(replace /dev/xxxxxx with /var/swapfile --- normally it would be /dev/sda2 or some such)
04:48	VanessaE	clear as mud? :D
04:48	Piggybear87	Just make a /txt file, or...?
04:48	Piggybear87	.*
04:48	VanessaE	nope
04:49	VanessaE	ok, one step at a time...
04:49	VanessaE	step 1:
04:49	Piggybear87	I did the first part.
04:49	VanessaE	ls -la /var/swapfile
04:49	VanessaE	does it look right?
04:50	Piggybear87	piggybear87piggybear87-pc:~$ sudo ls -la /var/swapfile
04:50	Piggybear87	-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1073741824 Jun  8 00:46 /var/swapfile
04:50	VanessaE	yup
04:50	VanessaE	that's good
04:50	VanessaE	ok
04:50	Piggybear87	Ok.
04:50	VanessaE	mkswap /var/swapfile
04:50	VanessaE	this initializes the file so it can actually be used as swap
04:51	Piggybear87	OK, done.
04:51	VanessaE	now still as root, open your /etc/fstab in an editor like nano or whatever is convenient=
04:52	VanessaE	is there anything already in there regarding swap, that isn't commented out?
04:53	VanessaE	(sometimes there will be examples left behind, depends on the installer)
04:53	Piggybear87	Gonna pm so I don't have to pastebin
04:54	VanessaE	ok.
04:54	VanessaE	ok, looks like you already have swap
04:55	VanessaE	so just rm /var/swapfile
04:55	VanessaE	that was a waste of time :)
04:55	VanessaE	close /etc/fstab
04:55	VanessaE	you don't need to change it
04:55	VanessaE	just yank that 256 and set it aside.
04:56	VanessaE	you're gonna have to figure out how to get by on 512 until you can get a matching stick
04:56	Piggybear87	So that will be like a page file now?
04:56	VanessaE	you already have it, yeah
04:56	VanessaE	get rid of that /var/swapfile, you don't need it.
04:57	VanessaE	your machine will use the swap partition that the installer created.
04:57	Piggybear87	That's the rm thing right?
04:57	VanessaE	yeah
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04:57	Piggybear87	Ok, I'm done then.
04:57	VanessaE	ok
04:57	Piggybear87	Sorry for wasting your time.
04:57	VanessaE	it's okay
04:57	VanessaE	for now you'll just have to run less stuff and do less at one time with what you do run
04:58	VanessaE	treat your PC like a tablet
04:58	Piggybear87	:) Ok, 1:00. It's time for bed.
04:58	VanessaE	your machine proba
04:58	VanessaE	ok, night
04:58	Piggybear87	Good night all.
04:58	VanessaE	(I was gonna say his machine probably wandered off into swap due to some heavy-RAM-using app or too many of them anyway, and he thought it was a lock-up)
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05:12	asl	VanessaE minetest does lock-up my computer too, it's is a memory hog, was using over 1 gb before it lock-up, i think it might be a memory leak
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06:19	Vazon	Hi MIner_48er
06:19	Miner_48er	hi
06:23	Vazon	Miner the server is public, but people keep timing out and i cant figure out why
06:27	Vazon	Miner_48er: ^^
06:29	Miner_48er	ok
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06:31	Vazon	you have any idea what would cause this?
06:34	Miner_48er	!up oldcoder.org:30012
06:34	MinetestBot	Miner_48er: Syntax changed, please use 'example.org 1337' instead of 'example.org:1337'
06:34	Miner_48er	!up oldcoder.org 30012
06:34	MinetestBot	oldcoder.org:30012 is up (657ms)
06:36	Vazon	its up im on it and so is another person, only 4 people including me have joined successfully
06:36	Miner_48er	!up oldcoder.org:30012
06:36	MinetestBot	Miner_48er: Syntax changed, please use 'example.org 1337' instead of 'example.org:1337'
06:36	Miner_48er	!up oldcoder.org 30012
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06:39	Miner_48er	ping is a bit higher than average
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06:39	Vazon	we arent lagging at all tho
06:40	Krock	hi
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06:41	Vazon	Ello Krock
06:41	Krock	morning :)
06:41	Vazon	morning?? its 2:41 am here lol
06:42	Krock	08:41
06:42	Krock	damn late
06:42	unclouded	hi.  are there any admins around for mtzeno?
06:42	Krock	go bed, vazon :P
06:42	Krock	unclouded, what's mtzeno?
06:42	Vazon	but then i will leave you Krock xD
06:42	unclouded	mtzeno.com.  sry that's the hostname
06:43	Krock	Vazon, you aren't a kitten which sticks on my foot
06:43	Krock	unclouded, for servers, join irc.inchra.net #minetest
06:43	Vazon	Krock, I can be :)
06:43	unclouded	Krock: cheers
06:44	* Krock	barks at Vazon
06:45	* Vazon	hisses back, then prr's at Krocks leg
06:48	Vazon	Miner_48er could it becuase we have alot of blocks, that its taking to long forthe players to load and they give up?
06:49	* Krock	found the 150KB file again, with a rating of 4.5/5 stars
06:49	Miner_48er	possibility
06:50	Vazon	because i have added alot of our blocks to the moreblocks mod.
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06:50	Hirato	doesn't minetest cache stuff, so only the fire connection takes a while?
06:53	* Krock	found an amazing feature "Show windows version on desktop"
06:53	Krock	Hirato, fire? no. first.
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07:48	nman3600	hi
07:49		raffahacks joined #minetest
07:50	raffahacks	hi
07:51	raffahacks	why does minetest crash on opening on an armv7 a20 device?
07:52	Krock	#minetest-dev
07:52	Krock	ask sapier
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07:53	raffahacks	thanks
07:53	Krock	np
07:54	zsoltisaw	hiya raffahacks
07:54	raffahacks	hi!
07:54	Krock	zsolisnotaw: hi
07:54	nman3600	i'm on #multitest if you have suggestions for it (even though it's had no feedback since i updated)
07:54	zsoltisaw	/me finds this client dumb
07:54	Krock	ntalk ftw
07:55	zsoltisaw	ntalk isn't on iOS...
07:55	Krock	windows ftw
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07:57	raffahacks	zsolti?
07:58	nman3600	is dead
07:58	raffahacks	Krock: nobody in minetest-dev. 50 dead people
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07:59	Krock	raffahacks, shout at them or wait until they get awake
08:01	raffahacks	will wait
08:01	raffahacks	hi PenguinDad !
08:07	PenguinDad	Hello everypony!
08:09	nman3600	hey non brony
08:10	raffahacks	how to set the status in irc (with *)?
08:10	raffahacks	Krock: they're still sleeping!
08:11	Krock	raffahacks, devs need much sleep after much coding
08:11	raffahacks	then sapier isn't there
08:14	raffahacks	if i quote to Cele*on55? is that for him annoying?
08:15	Amaz	Maybe ShadowNinj* or Sfan% could help?
08:15	raffahacks	Amaz: it was to avoid to quote him
08:16	raffahacks	thanks
08:16	sfan5	meow
08:16	raffahacks	hi sfan! thanks for answer
08:17	Amaz	Yep. That's why I did it as well.
08:17	* nman3600	strokes sfan5 and then hands sfan5 a bowl of milk
08:18	raffahacks	lol
08:18	* sfan5	meows at nman3600
08:18	raffahacks	nman3600: how did you write that (with *)?
08:18	nman3600	do /me (message)
08:19	nman3600	i'm using pc i don't know about you
08:19	raffahacks	sfan5: i am following you on twitter
08:19	sfan5	that's nice
08:20	* raffahacks	does nothing
08:20	raffahacks	do you like manga sfan5?
08:20	* nman3600	tells sfan5 to not bite raffahacks
08:20	sfan5	raffahacks: yes
08:21	raffahacks	did you see me in your followers?
08:21	* nman3600	bites raffahacks
08:21	sfan5	yes
08:21	nman3600	nomnomnom tasty hand
08:22	* raffahacks	bites nman3600 too
08:22	* nman3600	sends raffahacks to his/her room for being naughty
08:24	* PenguinDad	throws a random image in the chat http://powell.chaos-bodensee.de/wp-content/uploads/nomnompingu.png
08:27	* raffahacks	can't see anything
08:29	raffahacks	sfan5: do you like my cat?
08:29	sfan5	it looks fluffy
08:29	sfan5	yes
08:29	sfan5	I am a cat, meow :§
08:30	sfan5	:3
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08:30	* raffahacks	gives sfan5 more milk
08:31	* sfan5	purrs
08:33	* nman3600	watches https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SMWi7CLoZ2Q       over and over and over again
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08:34	PenguinDad	!title
08:34	MinetestBot	PenguinDad: Nom Nom Nom Nom Nom Nom Nom - Parry Gripp - YouTube
08:34	OldCoder	Yo
08:35	nman3600	lol
08:37	nman3600	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X2F4EFYM_MA&list=TLOxGPJ5FdoVIb_HR2bUKMDDgiPGK-ulNK       ahh so cute
08:38	nman3600	!title https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X2F4EFYM_MA&list=TLOxGPJ5FdoVIb_HR2bUKMDDgiPGK-ulNK
08:38	nman3600	fail
08:38	nman3600	!title
08:38	MinetestBot	nman3600: Fuzzy Fuzzy Cute Cute - Parry Gripp - YouTube
08:38	MinetestBot	nman3600: Fuzzy Fuzzy Cute Cute - Parry Gripp - YouTube
08:38	nman3600	lol
08:38	nman3600	nevermind
08:39	* Krock	meows at sfan5
08:40	* sfan5	meows at Krock
08:40	Krock	How to detect if a variable is a table?
08:41	sfan5	type(var) == 'table'
08:41	Krock	ty
08:41	nman3600	question? what type of music does everyone like?
08:41	nman3600	just wondering
08:42	Krock	*beatels music*
08:42	nman3600	rock and techno (dubstep, EDM drumstep and all that)
08:43	nman3600	sfan5: what music do you like?
08:43	sfan5	https://soundcloud.com/sfan5/likes
08:44	PenguinDad	nman3600: dubstep, hardstyle, moombahton, moombahcore and some other things
08:44	nman3600	sfan5 you're a monstercat fan nice!
08:44	nman3600	PenguinDad me too
08:44	nman3600	sfan5 you like veela beats?
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08:45	sfan5	I guess so
08:45	sfan5	o/ OldCoder
08:45	nman3600	be back later bye!
08:46	Krock	*none says bye*
08:46	OldCoder	sfan5, Hi
08:52	Krock	sfan5, what the hell am I doing wrong? http://pastebin.com/jSwfFm2v
08:52	Krock	AAARG damn this globalvalue
08:52	Krock	nvm
08:53	sfan5	Krock: you can omit the nil check, if a var is nil the key does not exists anymore
08:53	Krock	sfan5, the fail was at line 6, forgot a local :/ I saw it to late
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09:08	PenguinDad	https://dpaste.de/JX3z what does this mean?
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09:19	kaeza	it's an URL with protocol 'https', domain 'dpaste.de' and path '/JX3z'
09:20	kaeza	<.<
09:20	Krock	that means it will be gone in 4 weeks and 1 day
09:21	Krock	it also means, those error happened 1 hour before noon
09:23	LemonLake	kaeza, Krock, I love it
09:23	Krock	you don't even know what we're talking about (except whe you've visited the chat log site=
09:23	Krock	*)
09:23	LemonLake	I was actually really confused so I checked the logs
09:25	Krock	OldCoder, srsly? you *copied* the LR map?
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09:26	Krock	PenguinDad, question answered?
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09:28	PenguinDad	Krock: I was talking about the content of that paste ¬_¬
09:28	Krock	PenguinDad, <Krock>that means it will be gone in 4 weeks and 1 day
09:28	LemonLake	PenguinDad: Give more context next time, 'can you tell me what this error means'?
09:28	OldCoder	Krock, which map? I didn't copy it. He gave it to me. He is the admin.
09:28	Krock	content, isn't it?
09:29	Krock	OldCoder, I mean the landrush map - is the original server just down or what happened there?
09:29	OldCoder	Krock, Brandon had to shut it down
09:29	OldCoder	His daughter missed it
09:29	OldCoder	Therefore I have moved him onto one of my systems
09:29	Krock	>>had to shut it down<<?
09:30	OldCoder	Due to funds and host rules. My copy is the official one now.
09:30	Krock	so please rename it, like the original was
09:30	OldCoder	Rename it to what?
09:30	OldCoder	It is Landrush
09:30	OldCoder	That is its name
09:30	* OldCoder	is not clear on the request
09:30	Krock	old description and display name, just diffrent address
09:31	OldCoder	I am not following
09:31	LemonLake	What is not to follow?
09:31	Krock	playerswould get confused and ask questions otherwise
09:31	OldCoder	The display name is presumably still Landrush
09:31	* OldCoder	is tired. It is 2:30am. What are people talking about?
09:31	LemonLake	Set the description to the old one, too
09:31	* OldCoder	is not following
09:31	OldCoder	Guys, I have just returned from teaching two hours drive away
09:31	Krock	OldCoder, I'll be here in 8hours :P
09:31	LemonLake	ø.ø
09:31	OldCoder	Explain or I must sleep
09:32	Krock	2nd
09:32	LemonLake	Set the description of the server...the one that gets broadcasted to the server list
09:32	Krock	^
09:32	LemonLake	to the description that the old server had
09:32	OldCoder	Would you please be more specific
09:32	LemonLake	You can't get more specific than that
09:32	OldCoder	D:
09:32	LemonLake	Your server, yes?
09:32	LemonLake	Set it's description, the one people see on the server list, to the one of the old server.
09:32	OldCoder	Thank you for your kind support of hours of my time to rescue a world on a system that nobody is helping to pay for
09:32	OldCoder	I do not wish to be impolite
09:33	OldCoder	But you are being neither helpful nor specific
09:33	Krock	OldCoder, my request was about to imitate the original 1:1
09:33	Krock	minetest.conf, server_description =
09:33	OldCoder	Good evening, gentlemen
09:33	Krock	good night
09:33	LemonLake	cya.
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09:34	EvergreenTree	I am back from vacation!
09:34	MinetestBot	GIT: celeron55 commited to minetest/minetest: Fix switch from "skybox" to other sky types as triggered by player:set_sky() 1cea2f1b49 2014-06-08T12:33:16+03:00 http://git.io/oiJ_Ow
09:34	OldCoder	Krock, LemonLake if you have further vague remarks and no desire to do actual work or pay for the hardware; take it up with the admin.
09:34	OldCoder
09:34	LemonLake	Woo! Welcome back, EvergreenTree.
09:34	LemonLake	OldCoder, I'm gonna try one more thing.
09:35	Krock	OldCoder, ok.
09:35	LemonLake	The old server had a description, users would see it, and they'd know what the server was about.
09:35	LemonLake	You can change said description in your minetest.conf, find the server_description line.
09:35	* Krock	hides
09:35	LemonLake	Change it to the same description of the old server.
09:37	LemonLake	Do the same thing for server_name.
09:37	LemonLake	<OldCoder> I am lying down and will not see messages or reply further. Has it not occurred to you that you have mumbled like six times about "same description" without saying what that *WAS* ?
09:43	Krock	dude, he fell asleep
09:43	LemonLake	Mhm.
09:43	LemonLake	I know.
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09:44	LemonLake	yo yo Jordach
09:45	Krock	yay! 4/6 player became unknown
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09:49	nman3600	hi
09:49	LemonLake	nman3600: I'll see if I can make you your Eren art later, but right now I'm busy.
09:49	nman3600	ok LemonLake :)
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10:41	* EvergreenTree	pokes Jordach for no obvious reason
10:42	* sfan5	meows at EvergreenTree
10:42	EvergreenTree	mrowr
10:42	* Krock	pees at the green tree
10:42	* Krock	does that for no reason
10:43	* LemonLake	pokes at a random evergreen tree
10:43	LemonLake	this one, to be precise: http://www.bigtrees4u.com/images/evergreen1.jpg
10:44	EvergreenTree	Krock: that wasn't very nice
10:45	Krock	EvergreenTree, sry. I thought it was a regular tree
10:45	EvergreenTree	oh, that's fine then
10:45	* sfan5	taps EvergreenTree
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11:04	Jordach	EvergreenTree, !
11:05	LemonLake	If there's one thing I hate about school, it's programming in school.
11:05	LemonLake	Because we have to use Scratch.
11:05	LemonLake	Ugh.
11:05	EvergreenTree	Scratch was alright in version 1.4, it is terrible now
11:05	LemonLake	I prefer the new version because it has cloning.
11:05	EvergreenTree	they used flash.  'nough said
11:05	LemonLake	Insanely useful for custom countdown timers and bot creation.
11:06	LemonLake	http://scratch.mit.edu/projects/21289212/#player That's what I'm working on. Because I know what I'm doing I have to create something quite complicated.
11:06	LemonLake	The code is pretty simple when you think about it, but making it in scratch is just horrible.
11:07	EvergreenTree	mhm
11:07	EvergreenTree	it is good for just making sketches of games though
11:07	LemonLake	Yeah.
11:07	LemonLake	And it's good for teaching kids how to program.
11:07	LemonLake	I just hate it when I can't make a game in like, C++ or somethin.
11:08	LemonLake	Even HTML5 for all I care. Just not scratch.
11:08	EvergreenTree	I (think) they were working on an html5 player
11:08	LemonLake	I think this is the html5 player
11:09	LemonLake	Nope, still flash
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11:55	Krock	pingpong
11:56	Jordach	pongping
11:59	EvergreenTree	poing
12:03	LemonLake	pwanga
12:04	PenguinDad	http://mawscm.deviantart.com/art/My-Little-Linux-Fedora-342766945 <3 Fedora as a Pony
12:06	LemonLake	The eyes look very strange
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12:16	sfan5	EvergreenTree: http://i.imgur.com/S5aLpZb.jpg
12:17	EvergreenTree	daw
12:17	LemonLake	OMFG CAT
12:17	LemonLake	CAT
12:17	LemonLake	that's a nice kitteh
12:17	sfan5	LemonLake: http://i.imgur.com/bXZIWWe.jpg
12:17	LemonLake	more cat
12:17	LemonLake	too much cat
12:18	sfan5	LemonLake: http://i.imgur.com/CkgC24b.jpg
12:19	sfan5	EvergreenTree: http://i.imgur.com/iATkdQO.jpg
12:19	sfan5	Jordach: http://i.imgur.com/kA8l8oP.jpg
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12:21	LemonLake	sfan5: are these your cats?
12:21	sfan5	nope, it would be crazy to have this many; I don't even have a single one :-( :-(
12:21	LemonLake	aww
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12:22	sfan5	LemonLake: http://i.imgur.com/gclt4bT.jpg
12:23	LemonLake	sfan5: http://placekitten.com/1920/1080
12:23	LemonLake	it stares at ya
12:24	sfan5	meow :3
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12:26	sfan5	Krock: http://i.imgur.com/BIPTRoc.jpg
12:26	Krock	*clicks*
12:26	Krock	zzleepin
12:26	Krock	:D
12:29	Krock	sfan5, your kittens?
12:30	sfan5	<sfan5> nope, it would be crazy to have this many; I don't even have a single one :-( :-(
12:30	Krock	very sad
12:30	Krock	you actually need one
12:31	LemonLake	wtf
12:31	LemonLake	I just got banned from plug.dj for no reason
12:31	Krock	trololo?
12:31	LemonLake	I kept getting warnings for no reason, saying that I was spamming them or something
12:31	LemonLake	I wasn't doing anything apart from listening to some good tunes.
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12:58	OldCoder	LemonLake, good morning. I slept 3 hours. The PM I read from you this AM was not helpful. You are on /ignore for the moment.
12:59	LemonLake	OldCoder, you're quite harsh.
12:59	Krock	3 hours... I would go crazy with that short time
12:59	Krock	lol
12:59	LemonLake	There is no reason to /ignore somebody just because you can't understand them.
13:00	LemonLake	Krock, please forward those messages to OldCoder.
13:00	asl	hi OldCoder, has the default privs for landrush been fix?
13:00	OldCoder	asl, Hi. Let me settle in for a minute or two.
13:00	asl	ok
13:00	Krock	LemonLake, I'm not sure if he ignored me too and generally - why?
13:01	LemonLake	Just do it.
13:01	OldCoder	Krock, I rarely ignore people
13:01	LemonLake	Before he bans me.
13:01	OldCoder	LemonLake is distracting, pushy, and impolite
13:01	OldCoder	I need to be able to focus today
13:01	Krock	OldCoder, same. Mostly they stop when you don't answer :3
13:01	OldCoder	<LemonLake> I think you're being slightly rude now, however I'll let it pass due to the fact that you've just come back and you're really tired. Have a good sleep and we'll see if we can sort it out later.
13:01	OldCoder	<LemonLake> Good night.
13:01	OldCoder	<LemonLake> P.S. Welcome to IRC. This is the sort of response you're gonna get from EVERY network, EVERY server and EVERY channel.
13:01	LemonLake	Krock, please forward my messages.
13:01	OldCoder	I was not pleased to wake up and find that, Krock.
13:02	Krock	LemonLake, what?
13:02	LemonLake	Krock, forward my messages.
13:02	OldCoder	My channels are going to be more civil than he suggests. We will move on now. asl refresh my recollection.
13:02	LemonLake	<LemonLake> OldCoder, you're quite harsh.<LemonLake> There is no reason to /ignore somebody just because you can't understand them.
13:02	OldCoder	asl, scrolling up
13:03	OldCoder	asl, ah; you mean, update pipeworks
13:03	OldCoder	?
13:03	Krock	LemonLake, I can't understaaaand youuu, it's so lololouuuud
13:03	OldCoder	update may break things
13:03	OldCoder	Krock, more on-topic please
13:03	asl	um no, the pipeworks didn't fix the bug
13:03	Krock	k, sir.
13:03	OldCoder	asl, summarize problem please
13:03	asl	now i am taking about the default privs
13:03	OldCoder	asl, I did not see that part; summarize, please
13:04	* Krock	hids
13:04	OldCoder	hids are for kids :P
13:04	asl	new players who join the server only have the shout privs
13:04	OldCoder	What default privs would you suggest?
13:04	asl	the old landrush give 4 privs to new players
13:04	OldCoder	What default privs would you suggest?
13:04	* Krock	*hidEs
13:04	OldCoder	Kicks are for Krocks
13:04	asl	https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=6197
13:05	OldCoder	asl, I am sort of busy
13:05	asl	Default Privs: Shout, Interact, Money, Fast
13:05	OldCoder	Ah
13:05	OldCoder	What does Brandon say?
13:05	asl	that link is prove that it was like that before it move
13:05	OldCoder	What does Brandon say?
13:05	OldCoder	asl, I used what he gave me
13:05	LemonLake	7IGNORE OLDCODER!*@* ALL
13:05	asl	didn't see him online
13:05	LemonLake	ah shit
13:05	LemonLake	bloody keyboard
13:05	asl	so i haven't ask them yet
13:06	OldCoder	And I don't recommend default interact except for certain worlds
13:06	OldCoder	Ask Brandon about the matter please. Now, has the world been crashing?
13:06	sfan5	LemonLake: it is very obvious that you did that on purpose
13:06	asl	the landrush have land protection mod that works
13:06	LemonLake	sfan5, what?
13:06	OldCoder	I removed intweaks mod
13:06	sfan5	LemonLake: you know what I mean
13:06	asl	and brandon is the one who posted the default privs
13:06	OldCoder	Did it help with some of the crashes?
13:06	LemonLake	what is it with you guys today?
13:06	LemonLake	why are you being twats to me? have I done something wrong?
13:06	LemonLake	please tell me, I'd like to know
13:07	OldCoder	asl, (1) I used what Brandon gave me (2) Ask Brandon about default changes (3) I may not approve default interact
13:07	OldCoder	That world had 17,000+ users
13:07	OldCoder	A large number of which were random passersby
13:07	LemonLake	As far as I recall, I haven't done anything wrong.
13:07	OldCoder	asl, thank you for your time and inquiry
13:08	OldCoder	Help regarding crashes is required
13:08	OldCoder	Right now I am preparing to bring up
13:08	LemonLake	I've been trying to help out OldCoder but they've continually been misunderstanding me, and at the end of it they started being bitchy to me in query.
13:08	OldCoder	LORD OF THE TEST
13:08	OldCoder	The LOTR world
13:08	OldCoder	Excuse me while I focus on that
13:08	OldCoder
13:08	fishyWET	OldCoder, I'm on if u need me
13:08	OldCoder	fishyWET, thank-u
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13:09	LemonLake	And now you go all quiet.
13:09	fishyWET	can u wait a sec?, there's some changes for travelnet, just replace the travelnet folder that i am uploading currently
13:09	OldCoder	fishyWET, it is fine
13:09	OldCoder	We will make it a display-only showcase temporarily as with Pripyat
13:10	OldCoder	Can update as you wish
13:10	fishyWET	right okay
13:10	OldCoder	PM me links for whatever you update
13:10	fishyWET	yeah sure
13:10	duke	Hmm
13:14	fishyWET	OldCoder, the download for the travelnet changes, https://www.dropbox.com/s/bydcgjzyhatjavt/travelnet.zip
13:14	OldCoder	fishyWET, kk
13:14	OldCoder	Allow a little time
13:14	fishyWET	okay sure
13:14	OldCoder	But planning to try a run in the next half-hour
13:14	OldCoder	or so
13:15	fishyWET	okay
13:27	ShadowNinja	Vazon: /area_open <ID>  should do that.
13:28	OldCoder	fishyWET, is the travelnet ZIP a full replacement for the previous travelnet mod?
13:28	fishyWET	yes
13:28	OldCoder	I.e. I delete the old folder?
13:28	fishyWET	yes just delete the old one
13:32	OldCoder	fishyWET, I took your original lottserver ZIP, deleted the game folder, added the 2nd game upload, replaced the travelnet in that
13:32	OldCoder	Um
13:32	OldCoder	Next time a full update would be easier
13:32	fishyWET	right, will do a full update next time
13:33	OldCoder	Nobody has seen this but the two of you?
13:33	OldCoder	fishyWET, ^
13:34	fishyWET	seen what?
13:34	OldCoder	The world. There are just the two of you in players.
13:34	fishyWET	yeah
13:34	OldCoder	The world awaits
13:34	OldCoder	Uploading combined ZIP
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13:35	ligeti	Hello...
13:35	OldCoder	Hello back
13:35	ligeti	:)
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13:43	sfan5	meow
13:44	OldCoder	meow back
13:44	OldCoder	What is the matter? Bored?
13:44	OldCoder	fishyWET, you appear to have done a fair amount of work
13:44	fishyWET	to what?
13:44	Krock	kittenz are never bored
13:45	OldCoder	On this project
13:45	OldCoder	Very well
13:45	fishyWET	i guess so, it started last year
13:46	asl	!up minetest.org 30011
13:46	MinetestBot	minetest.org:30011 seems to be down
13:46	OldCoder	I am restarting
13:46	OldCoder	asl ^
13:46	asl	oh
13:46	OldCoder	I used to announce this
13:46	OldCoder	Will do so again if IRC mod is fixed
13:47	OldCoder	Then I can announce in-game
13:47	OldCoder	fishyWET, explore_map mod is missing
13:48	Amaz	Can you edit it out of world.mt please?
13:48	fishyWET	ignore that, it was just a mod for loading some areas of the map eariler on
13:48	Amaz	I meant to remove it.
13:48	OldCoder	kk
13:48	OldCoder	sfan5, refresh old coder memories. How do I set up curl media on server side?
13:49	OldCoder	BTW I am running luajit now
13:49	OldCoder	Hopefully luajit will be a bit of a hit
13:49	OldCoder	Amaz, fishyWET spawn seems to be underground?
13:50	Amaz	Odd.
13:50	OldCoder	Well hang on and you can try it shortly
13:50	Amaz	Does the staic_spawnpoint need to be in the same format as player position?
13:50	OldCoder	Should be fine either way
13:50	Amaz	(i.e. Another 0 after each of the coords?
13:50	OldCoder	Wait
13:51	OldCoder	static_spawnpoint = 59, 5, -120
13:51	OldCoder	Looks fine; wait a bit
13:52	Amaz	Okay.
13:52	Amaz	That's right.
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13:55	OldCoder	Is that a duckie?
13:56	OldCoder	And some type of guard
13:56	fishyWET	i think it is chicken
13:56	Amaz	Chicken and elf maybe?
13:56	OldCoder	Amaz, fishyWET go see your world at minetest.org:30020
13:56	fishyWET	okay, thanks!
13:57	Amaz	Great! Thanks!
13:57	OldCoder	default privs are fly fast shout in keeping with display world mode
13:57	OldCoder	You can probably drop the large bold warning
13:57	OldCoder	on the entry sign
13:57	Amaz	Okay.
13:57	OldCoder	as you'll only grant interact to those who understand this part
13:57	Amaz	Right.
13:58	OldCoder	I need to rest a bit. If the world crashes it may restart
13:58	OldCoder	Kick the tires and see what works or not
13:58	OldCoder	I will be here off and on all day
13:58	Amaz	Okay, thanks!
13:58	* OldCoder	is resting
13:58	OldCoder	o/
13:58	fishyWET	right, thanks!
14:00	Megaf	VanessaE; to see if he has a swap or not it's just a matter of $ free -m
14:00	OldCoder	ShadowNinja, I am resting. But time to make IRC mod work again. Consider whether to host the channels on your network(s). Ask kaeza to stop by and see me.
14:00	OldCoder
14:00	Megaf	[01:36:29] <VanessaE> 768MB is an uncommon size
14:00	Megaf	That's due some of the memory being used buy the onboard GPU
14:00	Megaf	or, because he has like 512 + 256
14:07	VanessaE	Megaf: I'm well aware of that.
14:07	VanessaE	and yeah, he had a 512+256 and his BIOS warned him that it didn't like mismatched RAM sizes
14:09	VanessaE	(it just didn't occur to me to have him check it that way first)
14:27	MinetestBot	GIT: VanessaE commited to Jeija/minetest-mod-mesecons: Merge branch 'master' of github.com:Novatux/minetest-mod-mesecons 13432ac87c 2014-06-08T10:28:57-04:00 http://git.io/9OKU5Q
14:27	MinetestBot	GIT: Novatux commited to Jeija/minetest-mod-mesecons: Fix #164 b8714f7d93 2014-06-08T16:12:49+02:00 http://git.io/n_LZcg
14:27	MinetestBot	GIT: Novatux commited to Jeija/minetest-mod-mesecons: Add node detector, which works like the player detector but detects a specific nodename (or any node except air) in front of it. 99cb021f15 2014-06-08T08:29:17+02:00 http://git.io/oI8B6g
14:27	sfan5	OldCoder: run an nginx server, fill the media dir using this https://gist.github.com/sfan5/6351560
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14:37	VanessaE	y u no like my flat file script? :)
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14:39	sapier	hello does anyone know which mod draws sign text to signs?
14:40	VanessaE	signs_lib :-)
14:40	VanessaE	homedecor modpack
14:40	Krock	in homedecor
14:40	Krock	damn
14:40	Krock	ninja'd
14:40	VanessaE	https://github.com/VanessaE/homedecor_modpack
14:40	sapier	ok ... anyone using android uninstall ;-)
14:40	VanessaE	they work fine on my tablet.
14:40	VanessaE	only thing I know they don't always work right on are some iOS devices
14:41	VanessaE	because the textures aren't power-of-2 sized.
14:42	sapier	they're all white for me but my device does support npot2 textures ... strange
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15:11	nman3600	hi
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15:37	Megaf_	Hey nman3600
15:37	Megaf_	Hi sapier
15:37	nman3600	hey Megaf
15:38	Megaf_	15,01Hello everyone!
15:39	nman3600	how do you do that?
15:39	nman3600	the color thing
15:39	Krock	,09client features
15:39	Krock	\<\ $04,09 \>\client features
15:40	PenguinDad	Wow clients!
15:40	nman3600	can someone give me some feedback on multitest 2.0 please it's dying and i don't want it to (need link?:  https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=11&amp;t=9334&amp;sid=9093e35096ef2aba05aee653bf3552db)
15:41	sapier	hello megaf
15:41	Megaf	sapier; Minetest is pretty stable right now, My server has been up for a couple of days already
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15:42	Krock	I updated from a MinGW build to MSVC on server and it's much faster now. Not sure if that compiler makes a difference xD
15:44	Jordach	Krock, the compiler on Windows *does* make a difference
15:44	Krock	Jordach, but that makes it surely not 2x faster :3
15:47	Jordach	you'll be surprised with windows
15:47	Krock	xD
15:48	Hirato	mingw is using a lot of compatibility shims, and they're hardly perfect :P
15:48	Krock	if that happens on win 6.0, then it also should happen on win 5.1
15:48	Krock	going to annoy blockmen again
15:48	Krock	haha
15:53	PenguinDad	Why does nearly every lua mapgen print out how many ms the generation took?
15:56	Hirato	I'm hoping for a "look at the logs! I'm not the slow one!"
15:58	* whiskers75	meows* at sfan5
15:58	* sfan5	purrs at whiskers75
15:59	* whiskers75	throws sfan5 a rainbow kitten
15:59	* sfan5	gives whiskers75 a kitten
15:59	* whiskers75	purrs
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16:00	nore	PenguinDad, IIRC mg does not do that
16:01	nore	and 9 lua mapgen mods out of 10 are done by paramat...
16:02	nore	so "nearly every Lua mapgen" == "paramat's mods"
16:02	PenguinDad	And Krock's noisetest which is based on a paramat mod
16:03	Krock	hmm?
16:03	Krock	ms ouput is good to see if it's efficient or not
16:04	nore	Krock, keep it for debug
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16:04	Krock	WTFPL, remove everything which isn't wanted
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16:13	Vazon	Hello Everyone
16:14	VanessaE	PenguinDad: they do that because everyone thinks mapgen is slow
16:14	VanessaE	and it can be
16:14	VanessaE	so coders benchmark their mapgens
16:14	VanessaE	I did it with plants_lib for a while until I was satisfied with its speed
16:15	VanessaE	(then I removed the benchmarking output, as it was slowing the code down a bit)
16:15	VanessaE	(SoniEx2's idea)
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16:24	PenguinDad	hmmm… Minetest seems to have problems with focus https://cdn.mediacru.sh/2snPkuUrhhNt.png
16:25	VanessaE	brony detected
16:25	VanessaE	:)
16:25	sapier	maybe we should do as apple does ... make minetest fullscreen only ;-)
16:26	Calinou	0.4.4?
16:26	VanessaE	and four copies thereof?
16:26	VanessaE	PenguinDad: dude, update.
16:26	asl	VanessaE: page not found https://github.com/VanessaE/pipeworks/commit/b8714f7d93319c9aad77704957ff027d1a0a6c1b
16:26	Calinou	oh, look carefully at the background VanessaE
16:26	Calinou	Vinyl Scratch background
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16:27	VanessaE	asl: um...okay
16:27	Calinou	transparent terminals, revealing “private“ information since 2008
16:27	asl	https://github.com/VanessaE/pipeworks/issues/69#event-129150270
16:27	asl	i mean the link you posted is a page not found link
16:27	VanessaE	oh, that's a github problem
16:27	VanessaE	I posted a raw commit ID there
16:28	VanessaE	github turned it into a link to the wrong repo.
16:28	VanessaE	lemme fix.
16:28	VanessaE	there.
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16:35	Piggybear87	My girlfriend has a dual core, she would compile with j3, right?
16:36	asl	hi piggybear
16:36	Calinou	Piggybear87, -j2 or -j3 work
16:36	Piggybear87	Hey asl.
16:36	Calinou	both are as fast, usually
16:36	Calinou	which CPU exactly?
16:36	Calinou	if she has HyperThreading, then -j4
16:36	Calinou	since she would have 4 threads instead of 2
16:36	Calinou	the CPUs which have HyperThreading are i3 (desktop + mobile), i5 (mobile only), i7 (desktop + mobile), all from Intel
16:36	Piggybear87	Intel pentium dual core.
16:37	Calinou	then no
16:37	Calinou	use -j2
16:37	Piggybear87	Oh, ok. Because mapen isn't working.
16:38	Calinou	what does that have to do with the processor?
16:38	Piggybear87	Wait, my single core has HT, would I still us -j2?
16:39	Piggybear87	She did -j3 so I thought it might be the problem.
16:39	Calinou	yes
16:39	Calinou	HT multiplies the number of threads by 2, basically
16:39	Calinou	Piggybear87, it doesn't affect anything on runtime
16:40	Calinou	a build done with make -j12 will behave the same as one made with make, regardless of CPU
16:40	Jordach	<- has hyperthreading
16:40	Piggybear87	So, I have a wannabe dual core?
16:40	Calinou	Jordach, you're on an AMD A10-6800K, no?
16:40	Calinou	CMT is similar, but not the same thing
16:40	Jordach	yup
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16:40	Calinou	Piggybear87, kind of… but having HyperThreading is better than no HyperThreading
16:40	Jordach	https://cdn.mediacru.sh/vzgEDLQz_KgI.png
16:40	Calinou	it's not HyperThreading Jordach :p
16:40	Calinou	it's not like Steam is too accurate
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16:42	Vazon	grrr why is everyone timing out when joining my server :|
16:42	asl	maybe it cause they aren't using pc?
16:42	smoke_fumus	hmm. game at this moment feels like i am playing 0.8-0.9 alpha of minecraft but without mobs
16:42	smoke_fumus	weird
16:44	Calinou	Vazon, do you use remote_media?
16:44	Calinou	smoke_fumus, there never was 0.x Minecraft after Classic
16:44	Vazon	asl im sure there not everyone has been using the app, only 2 other people have successfuly joined and Calinou why?
16:44	Calinou	Indev and Infdev had no version numbers, Alpha and Beta used 1.x
16:44	smoke_fumus	Calinou: ok. 1.3
16:44	smoke_fumus	without mobs
16:44	Calinou	Vazon, the remote_media server much be reachable and properly configured if you have one
16:44	Calinou	smoke_fumus, beta, alpha?
16:44	Calinou	erm
16:44	Calinou	there's only beta 1.3
16:44	smoke_fumus	alpha
16:45	Calinou	latest alpha is 1.2.6
16:45	Calinou	(december 03 2010)
16:45	smoke_fumus	*trying to recall when started playing*
16:45	smoke_fumus	1.1.3
16:45	smoke_fumus	yep
16:45	asl	Vazon, what's the ip/domain to your server, i can try to join
16:45	LemonLake	smoke_fumus: I wouldn't compare Minetest to Minecraft
16:45	Vazon	Calinou: OldCoder was bulding stuff for the servers, could this have something to do with it.
16:45	smoke_fumus	LemonLake: lol what
16:45	Vazon	asl port is the same as landrush and port is 30012
16:45	LemonLake	smoke_fumus: You know what I said
16:46	smoke_fumus	are you serious with me right now?
16:46	LemonLake	smoke_fumus: I am very serious with you right now
16:46	smoke_fumus	then why to i feel something starting with b?
16:46	LemonLake	smoke_fumus: There are a lot of things that start with b, not sure what you're on about
16:46	Vazon	ip is the same as landrush*
16:48	* smoke_fumus	facepalm
16:48	smoke_fumus	iss like saying "no, don't compare ken's shooter to wolfenstine 3d", SORRY. COMPRASIONS WOULD BE MADE
16:48	smoke_fumus	*ken's labyrinth
16:49	LemonLake	smoke_fumus: I'm not saying don't, I'm saying I wouldn't.
16:49	LemonLake	smoke_fumus: They are actually very different games.
16:49	smoke_fumus	what ken lab and wolf3d? yes, not these 2 however
16:49	LemonLake	smoke_fumus: They both have advantages, they both have disadvantages, but they're not remotely the same, and thus not advisable to be compared.
16:50	LemonLake	smoke_fumus: That would be like saying PHP is like Python.
16:50	smoke_fumus	it is.
16:50	LemonLake	smoke_fumus: They may be similar but they're not properly comparable.
16:50	Krock	fuu
16:50	Krock	PC's overheating
16:50	LemonLake	Krock: Douse it with a bucket of water, thank me later
16:50	Piggybear87	asl, Were you working in my farm?
16:50	smoke_fumus	both have voxel data structures, both render them as chunks, in both you mine resources, punch trees and build stuff which is locked on 3d grid. Your point?
16:51	asl	i just dump lots of item into the auto crafter
16:51	LemonLake	smoke_fumus: My point is that just don't compare them.
16:51	LemonLake	smoke_fumus: Saves flame wars in the long run, anyway ^.^
16:51	Piggybear87	And lots of saps? Lol, I have a LOT more glue than I had. Lol.
16:51	Krock	LemonLake, omg thankxxx
16:52	LemonLake	Krock: np :3
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16:53	rubenwardy	Hi all!
16:53	LemonLake	rubenwardy: Hello, sane person!
17:08	MinetestBot	GIT: Novatux commited to Jeija/minetest-mod-mesecons: Localize a few variables, add "GET" command to node detector. 63998fd7e7 2014-06-08T19:02:15+02:00 http://git.io/VZvz4w
17:15	LemonLake	what mods does minetestbot check for git changes?
17:16	Calinou	probably mesecons, technic only
17:16	ShadowNinja	mesecons, worldedit, minetest, minetest_game, and minetest_next
17:17	LemonLake	sweggy
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17:20	Calinou	no Carbone, but does the bot support Gitorious, ShadowNinja?
17:20	Calinou	if so, then you could add my mods + Carbone
17:20	ShadowNinja	Calinou: It uses RSS, so maybe.
17:21	ShadowNinja	It requires manual configuraration and possibly a restart though.
17:22	rubenwardy	the ones by sfan5 only, i guess
17:24	sfan5	Calinou: it supports github rss feeds, I could probably adapt it for gitourious
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17:26	rubenwardy	Yay world edit! //lua minetest = nil
17:28	rubenwardy	https://github.com/rubenwardy/NodeBoxEditor would be nice to add, and homedecor, and moreblocks.
17:29	LemonLake	suddenly everyone wants their mods in it
17:30	VanessaE	and dreambuilder ;)
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17:31	rubenwardy	lol
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17:31	rubenwardy	I wouldn't want my mods on it, just node box editor
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17:33	ShadowNinja	~help github announce add
17:33	ShadowBot	ShadowNinja: (github announce add [<channel>] <owner> <name>) -- Announce the commits of the GitHub repository called <owner>/<name> in the <channel>. <channel> defaults to the current channel.
17:34	ShadowNinja	Olny works with github and requires a webhook though.
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17:43	Piggybear87	If I get a prebuilt package from "https://code.launchpad.net/~minetestdevs/+archive/daily-builds/+packages?field.name_filter=&amp;field.status_filter=published&amp;field.series_filter=trusty", how do I use it?
17:43	sfan5	run 'minetest'
17:44	sfan5	or use the application menu icon
17:44	Piggybear87	That's it? My girl is having problems with self compiled.
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17:46	Piggybear87	Do I extract first? If "yes", where?
17:47	LemonLake	Piggybear87: the tar.gz?
17:47	Piggybear87	.bed
17:47	sfan5	Piggybear87: you need to add the ppa
17:47	sapier	https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=3&amp;t=9389 new version of android port ... should be about10-30% faster on some android devices
17:47	LemonLake	sapier: will test in a min
17:47	LemonLake	also i have dpi info for you
17:48	LemonLake	also, sapier, I'm sure mods work yes?
17:48	LemonLake	if so, how enable?
17:48	Piggybear87	How do I add the ppa? There's no "adding this ppa blah blah" on the page.
17:49	sapier	they're supposed to work yes but noone tried by now
17:49	LemonLake	well sapier, there's no way to enable them in-game
17:49	LemonLake	so i guess you have to edit the world for now
17:49	LemonLake	also, multiworld support for singleplayer would be grand <3
17:50	sfan5	Piggybear87: https://launchpad.net/~minetestdevs/+archive/daily-builds > Adding this PPA to your system
17:51	sapier	Well I disabled multiworld on purpose in order to simplify menu
17:51	sapier	but of course anyone is free to write a simple more complete menu ;-)
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17:52	LemonLake	Chrome: Pop-up blocked, popup appears anyway
17:52	LemonLake	sapier: I would love to :D
17:53	LemonLake	Is the menu lua-based or java-based?
17:53	LemonLake	are are you using c++ with a wrapper?
17:53	PenguinDad	LemonLake: Use the formspec young Padawan
17:53	sapier	it's lua based
17:53	LemonLake	perfect, I would love to make one
17:53	LemonLake	testing first tho
17:54	sapier	only thing being java is text input
17:54	LemonLake	I could tell
17:54	LemonLake	startup times are quite long though, what exactly does it scan?
17:54	rubenwardy	makes sure all files exist
17:55	rubenwardy	ie mods, games, worlds, settings
17:55	rubenwardy	(iirc)
17:55	LemonLake	ah, is there no way to speed it up?
17:55	LemonLake	or at least add a progress bar that WORKS
17:55	rubenwardy	You could disable it entirely and rely on the user not to screw with the files
17:55	LemonLake	true
17:56	ShadowNinja	LemonLake: You mean 0%, 0%, 0%, 0%, 0%, 50%, 100%?  ;-)
17:56	LemonLake	^
17:56	Piggybear87	Ok, I got the ppa added, now what? Click download on the package, or...?
17:56	LemonLake	sapier: S Note 2 scale factor is 0.75
17:56	sfan5	Piggybear87: sudo apt-get install minetest
17:56	LemonLake	265ppi, 5.5 inches and 1280x720
17:57	sapier	LemonLake: can you post it to the thread? I'm collecting info there
17:57	ShadowNinja	We need it to be like other apps, 0%, 50%, 90%, 99%, 99.9%, 99.99%, 99.99%, 100%, 100%, 100%, 100%, 100%... ;-)
17:57	LemonLake	sapier: later
17:57	LemonLake	what does the on-screen menu button do?
17:57	LemonLake	because afaict it does nothing
17:57	ligeti	celeron55, busy?
17:57	LemonLake	omfg, that item loading is so much faster :D
17:57	Piggybear87	Ok, and when there's an update? Just "sudo apt-get update" and Minetest will update also? And will her worlds, mods, minetest.conf, etc still be there?
17:58	ligeti	Hello all :)
17:58	sfan5	Piggybear87: it will get updated with update manager, all user data will ofc stay
17:58	sapier	progress bar works ... but only for copying files, On checking I just don't know how much files are there, how am I supposed to do progress the bar? ;-)
17:58	Piggybear87	Sweet! IDK why I don't do that also, lol.
17:58	sapier	maybe I should switch to some of thos cylon progress bars for scanning
17:59	LemonLake	sapier, if you know what folders to check then just add the count up, turn into a percentage then know what one you're on
17:59	LemonLake	btw, i'm either on a really old version or item visuals are proper messed up
17:59	LemonLake	they also seem to be upside down :P
17:59	sapier	that seems to be a old version
18:00	sapier	I thought I fixed the upside doen in last version ... unless there's another special handling by another gpu
18:00	celeron55	< smoke_fumus> hmm. game at this moment feels like i am playing alpha of minecraft
18:00	LemonLake	okay, well i may try my hand at another menu gui
18:00	celeron55	this is actually great because that is exactly what it is trying to feel like
18:01	LemonLake	ø.ø
18:01	LemonLake	you're trying to imitate minecraft?
18:01	celeron55	more like trying to branch out from MC alpha
18:02	LemonLake	ic
18:02	LemonLake	til
18:02	celeron55	it isn't mentioned anywhere officially though 8)
18:02	Calinou	<celeron55> more like trying to branch out from MC alpha
18:02	celeron55	in my opinion minecraft was best at late alpha
18:03	Calinou	that was the initial plan: “Take survival multiplayer in a slightly different direction”
18:03	LemonLake	I agree celeron55
18:03	Calinou	celeron55, there were less kids back then on servers :p
18:03	LemonLake	^
18:03	Calinou	less cheaters too
18:03	Calinou	bans in general on servers exploded in Beta 1.3 and 1.5
18:03	celeron55	the multiplayer was technically complete crap though 8)
18:04	Calinou	yeah, no health, client-side inventory
18:04	LemonLake	gona get an android emulator so I can test on the 'average phone'
18:04	LemonLake	because my s note 2 is more a phablet
18:04	ligeti	celeron55, do you know which file (source code) explains the packets (data) sent by the play when moving/rotating ... etc.?
18:04	sfan5	ligeti: client.cpp
18:04	ligeti	thanks
18:04	celeron55	and clientserver.h
18:05	ligeti	thank you
18:05	Calinou	talking about rotating: it would be nice if someone finally implemented player/entity yaw change smoothing; there's currently position smoothing but no yaw smoothing; celeron55 said this was very easy, but I'm not able to do it
18:06	ligeti	by smoothing you mean ... "slower"?
18:06	sfan5	I think Calinou means interpolation
18:06	Calinou	yeah
18:06	Calinou	exactly
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18:33	ligeti	guys, which IDE would you recommend to browse the source code (and work on it) on linux, I am "using" code:blocks, but it doesn't have "build project from existing code" option
18:34	ligeti	which makes it difficult to import the project (I guess)
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18:37	Jordach	ligeti, just manually recompile
18:38	Eater4	ShadowNinja?
18:39	ShadowNinja	Eater4: Please don't mention me without telling me what you want.  Wnat is it?
18:39	ligeti	I don't want to recompile yet... I just want to browse the code (and search in multiple files) ... I still can do it manually though (using Linux command) but... using a IDE will help a lot!
18:39	Eater4	Sorry, is Luabot written in c++?
18:39	ShadowNinja	No, it's written in Lua of course.
18:40	ShadowNinja	And Lua is written in C.
18:40	Eater4	I am so stupid!
18:40	Eater4	Ok then.
18:40	LemonLake	trying to get use to the UI of nexus...
18:40	LemonLake	it's very different to touchwiz
18:41	Eater4	I am trying to add the voice thingie to my bot....
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18:48	LemonLake	how long does it take to download >.<
18:54	sfan5	ligeti: if you want to have code::blocks be able to compile minetest use CMake and generate Code::Blocks output
18:54	ligeti	sfan5, thank you very much :)
18:56	Piggybear87	With the pre-packaged Minetest, where do I find mods, worlds, etc?
18:56	LemonLake	nose
19:02	Eater4	ShadowNinja: maybe can we have Hluabot at #minetest on isis?
19:04	Piggybear87	Anyone?
19:07	ligeti	Piggybear87, isn't that in /home/[user]/.minetest/ ?
19:07	Piggybear87	No.
19:08	ligeti	sorry
19:08	Piggybear87	Nevermind. It made it after the first launch...
19:09	Eater4	Piggybear87: most of the mods are at the forum
19:10	Piggybear87	No, I mean the folder to PUT the mods in after we download.
19:10	LemonLake	sapier: My settings weren't saving properly till I looked at the conf and found that gui_scale and touchscreen_threshold had merged onto one line
19:11	Eater4	Piggybear87: in the mod folder....
19:13	Piggybear87	It doesn't have it when pre-packaged. You have to make the mods folder. I figured it out.
19:15	Piggybear87	VanessaE, can you give me that minetestmapper script again please. I'm using the pre-packaged so I will have to find the path to worlds, but I can't remember how to do it.
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19:16	VanessaE	er..
19:17	Piggybear87	I'm gonna copy/paste into a .txt so I don't have to ask again.. Lol.
19:18	Calinou	ligeti, I use Geany
19:18	LemonLake	dangit
19:18	Calinou	but I don't use IDE features (I use it like a text editor, hiding the other windows)
19:18	LemonLake	okay, can't close unified inventory on android
19:18	Calinou	but you can try using it as an IDE and see
19:18	Calinou	it can search & replace in many files, if they're opened
19:18	Calinou	the command to search in a directory is: grep -r "stuff"
19:18	Calinou	very useful ;)
19:19	EvergreenTree	or use gedit
19:19	EvergreenTree	I use geany as an ide
19:19	EvergreenTree	and kate as a text editor
19:19	EvergreenTree	(as well as vim)
19:19	VanessaE	minetestmapper --drawscale --geometry -5000:-7500+12000+15000 --backend leveldb -i /path/to/your_world_folder -o /path/to/your_output_image.png
19:19	VanessaE	adjust the geometry as needed, leave out the `--backend leveldb` part if you're using sqlite.
19:20	Piggybear87	Thank you. :)
19:21	LemonLake	VanessaE: Have you been able to close unified_inventory on android?
19:21	VanessaE	LemonLake: I think I tried maybe once and I seem to recall it worked then
19:21	LemonLake	How did you do it? just back button?
19:21	VanessaE	but I only have a very low-end tablet that doesn't work well with Minetest to befin with
19:21	VanessaE	begin*
19:21	VanessaE	you can double-tap outside the Unified Inventory formspec also
19:22	LemonLake	ah thanks
19:22	LemonLake	figured out what that menu-like button does, it's the shift button
19:25	ligeti	Calinou, thank you
19:25	ligeti	I will check that later
19:27	ligeti	I am trying to understand the protocol used to communicate (send chat, commands... etc.)
19:27	LemonLake	so my android is now at 40.9 C because of minetest, and i just burnt my hand by touching the top of the screen. fun.
19:28	Amaz	Painful.
19:28	Calinou	#minetest-dev can help
19:29	Calinou	LemonLake, touching 40°C stuff burns you?
19:29	Calinou	wouldn't it feel just a bit warm?
19:29	Calinou	(since it's just slightly above body temperature)
19:29	Amaz	Yeah...
19:29	ligeti	Calinou, I don't think they have time for this :P
19:29	LemonLake	Calinou: My hand was on it for an hour.
19:30	LemonLake	Calinou: Plus, I'm extremely sensitive
19:30	Jordach	LemonLake, i can heat my tablet to 50
19:30	LemonLake	I'm not trying to brag or anything, I'm trying to imply that the temperature is a little bit extreme for a simple game
19:31	VanessaE	LemonLake: you can't burn your hand on 40C.  it's physically impossible.  besides, 40C is nothing at all for a computer.
19:31	VanessaE	a high end GPU can hit 100C or more.
19:31	LemonLake	VanessaE: I didn't mean BURN. I meant just made hot to the point of pretty itchy.
19:31	VanessaE	CPUs routinely go up to 70 (if improperly cooled)
19:31	Calinou	LemonLake, it's far from simple
19:31	Calinou	<VanessaE> a high end GPU can hit 100C or more.
19:32	Calinou	no, not really
19:32	LemonLake	whatever
19:32	VanessaE	Calinou: yes, yes really :)
19:32	Calinou	R9 290X is (the now famous) 94°C
19:32	LemonLake	</flamewar>
19:32	LemonLake	(literally)
19:32	Calinou	~ 80°C on custom cards (get one, even though it increases CPU temperature)
19:32	Calinou	besides, 40C is nothing at all for a computer.
19:32	Calinou	I believe it's more for mobile hardware?
19:32	VanessaE	Calinou: I've run my GPU at 90 before
19:32	Calinou	I wouldn't do that, except for GPUs that are designed for it
19:32	VanessaE	anyway, doesn't matter
19:32	VanessaE	I think mine was
19:33	VanessaE	older GPU, before they had good power management
19:33	Jordach	Calinou, i once saw my APU hit 85
19:33	Calinou	today's middle end GPUs only get up to 60-65°C
19:33	Jordach	(but then a static setting turns the fan off after a while)
19:33	Calinou	they're better choices because they're much quieter too
19:33	VanessaE	Calinou: only if you don't turn the fan down
19:33	Calinou	VanessaE, no, that's with custom cards
19:33	Calinou	when they're at 65°C, they're quiet
19:34	VanessaE	Calinou: I have my GPUs set to mine X11-based cryptocurrency, they both run 75-80C with the fan's clocked in the 35 to 50% speed range.
19:34	Calinou	mining is particular
19:34	VanessaE	fans*
19:34	Calinou	I'm talking about gaming
19:34	Calinou	which is a bit less demanding than mining
19:34	VanessaE	true
19:34	VanessaE	until you talk about minetest ;)
19:35	* VanessaE	throws Minetest and HDX at her GPU and it chokes :P
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19:35	Calinou	jungles are FPS hogs in default game
19:35	Calinou	fixed by making them glasslike, adding post-process and making the texture more dense
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19:35	m5	hi
19:35	Calinou	(the jungle leaves)
19:35	Calinou	hi m5
19:35	m5	I saw a topic a while back about a fully rendered minetest map
19:35	Calinou	fully rendered?
19:35	m5	Something about 8 channels per block
19:36	m5	Some calculations on size
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19:44	Piggybear87	Can anyone explain to me why my machine would run almost perfect (~40 FPS), but when I get around any lights, like glow glass or torches, etc. I lag like crazy (~1-5 FPS). I have all display setting off, and opaque water on.
19:45	Jordach	>and opaque water on.
19:45	Jordach	might be a problem?
19:46	m5	Ambient lighting?
19:46	m5	using OpenGL?
19:46	Piggybear87	No, transparent water make me lag more.
19:46	Piggybear87	Yes, OpenGL 2.1.1
19:46	Calinou	you mean it gives you lower FPS
19:46	Calinou	not lag
19:46	Piggybear87	Yes.
19:47	m5	Oh god not the Lag lecture
19:47	m5	Piggybear87, Does your PC support DirectX>
19:47	Calinou	on Windows, it must
19:47	Calinou	on other OS, it doesn't
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19:50	Piggybear87	I have Lubuntu, so, no.
19:50	Calinou	what's your graphics card?
19:50	Calinou	lspci | grep VGA
19:50	Piggybear87	I did find a way to support DirectX, but I couldn't figure it out.
19:50	Calinou	Wine, indeed
19:50	Calinou	it's an hack
19:51	Calinou	if you can run natively, don't use Wine
19:51	Piggybear87	Nvidia 6 series. I now, I know... Eeewww Nvidia on linux...
19:51	Piggybear87	know*
19:51	Calinou	Piggybear87, which driver? Nouveau or NVIDIA? if NVIDIA, which version?
19:52	Calinou	(if you haven't touched anything, you're probably using Nouveau)
19:52	Calinou	it's suggested you get NVIDIA driver for better performance, but in exchange you get less flexibility on updates (and a proprietary driver)
19:52	Piggybear87	piggybear87piggybear87-pc:~$ lspci | grep VGA
19:52	Piggybear87	01:02.0 VGA compatible controller: NVIDIA Corporation NV44A [GeForce 6200] (rev a1)
19:52	Piggybear87	And I have the Nvidia one.
19:52	jin_xi	VanessaE: all the signs mods use string concatenations to build up the imagestrings. this is worst case for lua garbage collector according to pil.
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19:53	nman3600	hi
19:53	* nman3600	is currently making a texture pack!
19:53	jin_xi	so if memory is a concern, try using a table and table.concat
19:54	Calinou	I wanted to add signs_lib in Carbone, but thought about performance issues ;)
19:54	Calinou	nman3600, screenshots?
19:54	Piggybear87	How do I find out the exact driver?
19:54	Calinou	Piggybear87, Software Sources → Additional Drivers
19:56	nman3600	Calinou: https://mediacru.sh/EMdJXg5QEnrW
19:56	nman3600	and Calinou https://mediacru.sh/SrknFHHL2Ofx
19:56	Calinou	doesn't look good
19:56	Piggybear87	NVIDIA legacy binary driver - version 304.117 from nvidia-304 (proprietary, tested)
19:57	nman3600	it's called RPGcraft
19:57	Calinou	is your pack 16 × 16 or 32 × 32?
19:57	nman3600	16x16
19:57	Calinou	Piggybear87, so you're using the NVIDIA one :P
19:57	nman3600	only apple's 32x32 D: is that a prob
19:57	Calinou	I guess there's not much to do, apart from reducing max view distance: viewing_range_nodes_min = 40
19:57	Calinou	nman3600, yes, inconsistent
19:57	Piggybear87	Like I said. But there's 3 Nvidia ones and the open source one.
19:58	Calinou	all 3 probably perform similar
19:58	Piggybear87	Ah, So I have to put up with the lower FPS around light?
19:58	nman3600	Calinou i'm not gonna let 1 bit of bad feedback stop me
19:59	Piggybear87	Or get a new machine with a 400 dollar graphics card...
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20:00	Calinou	nman3600, well, I'm sure other people will have similar opinions
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20:00	Calinou	Piggybear87, you certainly don't need 400 dollar graphics card for Minetest
20:00	Calinou	an IGP is enough – that costs 0 (it's in your CPU)
20:00	Calinou	but the ones in older CPUs suck ;)
20:01	Piggybear87	Yeah, mine only supports OpenGL 1.3 which makes my sky and inventory textures black...
20:02	Piggybear87	I have to run my machine in recovery mode because of my graphics card. Maybe that'[s my low FPS problem...
20:03	Jordach	Piggybear87, don't buy an AMD machine
20:03	Piggybear87	That's*
20:03	Jordach	(i have driver issues with the latest kernel)
20:03	Piggybear87	Jordach, Why? That's what I was looking at.
20:03	Megaf	folks, what do you think if I make an IRC server to link the servers, where each player name will have the same user name on iRC?
20:03	Piggybear87	Oh...
20:03	Megaf	we could use that as account control too
20:03	Jordach	Piggybear87, i got to the Desktop of Ubuntu, then it went black and was not respondingh
20:03	Jordach	(in LiveCD)
20:03	Calinou	<Jordach> Piggybear87, don't buy an AMD machine
20:04	Calinou	well, that's valid from an hardware standpoint
20:04	Calinou	high power usage, low single thread performance, worse motherboards, not cheaper, bleak future…
20:04	* Megaf	have an AMD machine is really happy with it
20:04	Calinou	Megaf, I'm talking about hardware in 2014 here
20:04	Calinou	if you're buying something new
20:04	Jordach	Calinou, they fucking compressed an R9 into an APU
20:04	Megaf	I agree with poor signle thread performance
20:04	Calinou	Intel is lonely, in front of AMD, except for very specific use cases
20:04	Jordach	http://www.ebuyer.com/613105-amd-a10-7850k-black-edition-3-7ghz-socket-fm2-apu-4mb-cache-retail-ad785kxbjabox
20:05	Piggybear87	I like the hardware it comes with, and it was only ~400 buck (as opposed to an Intel with the same specs at ~500 bucks...)
20:05	Calinou	Jordach, wrong, it's severely downclocked
20:05	Calinou	Piggybear87, specs don't matter, what matters is performance
20:05	Jordach	Calinou, does intel have GPU-ish performance on the iX?
20:05	Calinou	I hope you don't buy graphic cards based on VRAM amount on them
20:05	* Jordach	doesn't
20:05	Calinou	Jordach, it's worse, but do you really need it?
20:05	Megaf	Calinou: AMD is actually better in true CPU intensive multithread scenarios and virtualization of several OSes at the same time
20:05	Jordach	i've been looking at the GTX780
20:05	Calinou	the graphics performance of the high end APUs has no real use
20:05	Calinou	too slow for AAA games, too fast for lightweight games
20:06	Jordach	Calinou, bollocks
20:06	Jordach	i can get smooth sailing 60fps on TF2 at 10870p
20:06	Megaf	AMD is slow for doing one thing at time, but it can do several things at the same time
20:06	Jordach	-7
20:06	Calinou	not to mention worse drivers in general (outside of Windows)
20:06	OldCoder	Amaz, fishy* asked me not to announce the new world formally. I won't put any of them on the server list until a move is completed. But I'd like to announce the new world here simply for visitors. Would he mind if it is made clear this is only a demo?
20:06	Calinou	Megaf, Intel does the multiple things as fast… and the single thread 50% faster
20:06	Calinou	(not to mention higher RAM bandwidth, even though this isn't useful to most people)
20:07	Calinou	Jordach, an HD 4600 could maybe get these, if you tweak settings
20:07	Megaf	Calinou: on Desktops yes, but Opterons have a super quick Hyper Transport bus
20:07	Megaf	maybe AMD should make better server chips and use Opterons on desktop...
20:09	Piggybear87	~400 bucks for a six core with 8 GB of RAM is good though.
20:09	ShadowBot	Piggybear87: Error: You must be registered to use this command. If you are already registered, you must either identify (using the identify command) or add a hostmask matching your current hostmask (using the "hostmask add" command).
20:09	Megaf	indeed
20:09	Calinou	Megaf, server CPUs aren't useful to the vast majority of people: they're expensive for no reason
20:09	Calinou	Piggybear87, erm, six “cores”
20:09	Piggybear87	ShadowBot, Shut up.
20:09	Calinou	these are not true cores, in the FXs
20:09	Calinou	you have 3 modules ;)
20:09	Calinou	<Megaf> maybe AMD should make better server chips and use Opterons on desktop...
20:09	Calinou	AMD would never do that
20:09	Megaf	I still want to buy the Phenom II x6
20:10	Jordach	Calinou, thoughs on the GTX 780
20:10	Calinou	too expensive
20:10	Jordach	thoughts*
20:10	Calinou	power hog card :(
20:10	Calinou	small cards like 750 Ti are the future, to me
20:10	Calinou	easy to install, small, quiet… while not very fast, it's a smart choice
20:10	Megaf	amd phenom ii x6 1090t
20:10	Megaf	my next upgrade
20:10	Calinou	(I doubt AMD can do the same thing, especially power efficiency)
20:10	Calinou	(they failed on the CPU side already)
20:11	Jordach	Calinou, http://www.ebuyer.com/618545-msi-geforce-gtx-750-1g-oc-n750-1gd5-oc
20:11	Calinou	750 and 750 Ti are different
20:11	Calinou	also, that one has reference-like heatsink, not that good
20:11	Jordach	my kind of price range (note that my power suppy is 250w, must bump to 650w)
20:11	Calinou	“- £90 in game for Warface, Path of Exile, and
20:11	Calinou	Heroes of Newerth (£30 for each game)” → HoN is free to play
20:11	Calinou	nice try
20:12	Calinou	Jordach, 250W?! which brand?
20:12	Jordach	unknown in this tower
20:12	Amaz	OldCoder, I'm sorry, I don't quite get your meaning...
20:13	Calinou	probably a crappy one
20:13	Calinou	change ASAP
20:14	Calinou	Added animated active locked furnace texture, texture improvements.
20:16	Piggybear87	To me, money matters and here's why I prefer AMD... http://pastebin.com/zjTNT8BV
20:18	Piggybear87	Forgot the prices... http://pastebin.com/6daXpMrX
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20:18	VanessaE	jin_xi: I'm not worried about memory usage, but apparently minetest handles the actual composited image result VERY poorly
20:19	VanessaE	(the client does, that is)
20:20	VanessaE	specifically sapier determined that they are the cause for the poor FPS around spawns on my server
20:20	VanessaE	servers*
20:21	Calinou	Piggybear87, the prices are actually almost the same, not to mention Intel will be slightly cheaper when used (less power used)
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20:21	Calinou	the 4930K obviously has bad perf/price, but is much, much faster than FX-6300 (twice as fast?)
20:21	Piggybear87	My power is included in my rent.
20:21	Calinou	learn to choose hardware, then compare again
20:21	VanessaE	jin_xi: I can only imagine that the engine is actually compositing all of the images used,  in realtime, frame by frame.
20:21	Calinou	the comparison isn't fair at all
20:21	Calinou	a fairer one is FX-8350 vs i5-4570
20:22	Calinou	on both sides, a decent 990X and H87 motherboard
20:22	Piggybear87	I went with the closes Ghz six core, and the same rame.
20:22	Calinou	(not an insane one)
20:22	Calinou	the 4930K has six real cores
20:22	Calinou	unlike the FX-6300 which has 3 modules
20:22	Piggybear87	I don't have more than a grand to spaen on a machine...
20:22	Calinou	that power supply is crap
20:22	Piggybear87	spend*
20:22	Calinou	it'll likely boom all your stuff
20:22	Calinou	same for case
20:23	Calinou	graphics card is also useless, but hey, the FXs require them as they lack an IGP (unlike Intel)
20:23	Piggybear87	I picked the cheapest cases to keep it fair, and the AMD HAS on board video...
20:24	Calinou	no
20:24	Piggybear87	ASUS M5A78L-M LX PLUS AM3+, Onboard Video,Sound, GB LAN
20:24	Piggybear87	Onboard video...
20:24	Calinou	some _motherboards_ (which era do we live in?) have chipset, with VERY limited 3D capabilities
20:24	Calinou	it's something you do NOT want
20:24	Calinou	at all
20:24	Calinou	Intel has proper IGPs, with fast 2D and decent 3D and very good drivers
20:25	Piggybear87	AMD is unlocked from the factory without paying extra...
20:25	Calinou	I doubt you need to overclock anyway; it's mostly a waste of time
20:25	Calinou	(and reduces your perf/watt ratio)
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20:25	Piggybear87	Again, I don't pay electric...
20:25	Calinou	the non-K models can already have their Turbo ratios slightly increase (200-300MHz), better than nothing
20:25	Calinou	Piggybear87, it means more heat and noise too
20:25	Calinou	and time spent configuring and testing (oh god…) the overclock
20:26	Calinou	if you've spent 1 hour testing an overclock on a burn-in software, you've wasted time :P
20:26	Piggybear87	I've got fans laying around and noise doesn't bother me.
20:26	Amaz	OldCoder,  I'm sure he wouldn't mid.
20:28	OldCoder	Amaz, kk. You announce then. ANNOUNCE: Amaz will now speak very briefly about
20:28	OldCoder	minetest.org:30020
20:28	OldCoder	LORD OF THE TEST
20:28	OldCoder	(dramatic music)
20:28	OldCoder
20:28	Piggybear87	Integrated ATI Radeonâ„¢ HD 3000 GPU
20:30	Amaz	Basicly, it is a Lord of the Rings themed subgame, which OldCoder has very kindly agreed to host. I am the secondary developer of it, with FishyWET being the first. If you could come onto the server, and give us any suggestions/bugs we would be very grateful!
20:30	OldCoder	FishyWET wanted it known this is just a snapshot
20:30	Amaz	You can leave bugs/suggestions here: https://lordofthetest.titanpad.com/Lord-Of-The-Test-Public-Discussion
20:30	OldCoder	He found some sort of issue that he plans to update very shortly
20:30	Amaz	Yep.
20:32	Amaz	There are 1 or 2 little bugs, with the result of a smelting recipe, and something else/
20:32	Calinou	<Piggybear87> Integrated ATI Radeonâ„¢ HD 3000 GPU
20:32	Calinou	that thing is ~8 years old and it's very low end
20:32	Calinou	I'm not trying to demean you or anything…
20:33	Piggybear87	It comes out to cost... I would never spend more than 500 bucks on a machine. DEFIANTLY not more than 1000 bucks!
20:35	Piggybear87	I can literally buy 2 of those AMD's for the cost of 1 Intel.
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20:38	Piggybear87	!up minetest.org 30011
20:38	MinetestBot	minetest.org:30011 is up (616ms)
20:39	Calinou	it's “definitely”
20:39	Calinou	and I said it already, you're doing it wrong
20:39	Vazon	cand someone help me with curl and media speeds?
20:39	VanessaE	Piggybear87: it'll cost you round about $700 for a good, decent fast gaming box.
20:39	Calinou	VanessaE, it depends a lot on which games you want to play
20:39	VanessaE	a bit more than that for a good laptop
20:39	Calinou	a bit more? more like twice.
20:39	VanessaE	Calinou: I said "decent fast", not "shit hot fast" ;)
20:39	Calinou	but gaming laptops are noisy and hot anyway
20:39	Piggybear87	That machine is pretty damn fast for the cost...
20:40	Calinou	it isn't; it'll feel less responsive than one with Intel CPU
20:40	Calinou	I hope you have a SSD too…
20:40	Calinou	it's what matters a lot for perceived speed
20:40	Calinou	you can have i7 and HDD, your machine will feel slow ;)
20:40	Piggybear87	I can add one for 64 dollars.
20:41	Piggybear87	OldCoder, I can't connect to Landrush.
20:41	Calinou	better have a fairly large one, so that you can put all your programs on it, or ideally, everything
20:41	Calinou	(many SSD brands suck, like Corsair, remember)
20:41	Piggybear87	I have a few 80+ HDD's laying around for my music and such..
20:42	Piggybear87	80+GB*
20:43	VanessaE	Samsung 840's are good, this Mushkin 120 Chronos Enhanced is good too.
20:43	OldCoder	Piggybear87, reviewing
20:43	OldCoder	What is happening, exactly?
20:43	Piggybear87	Also, I have a machine with a slower CPU that I can stuff 4 HDD's into and 8 USB HDD's for practically unlimited storage space.
20:44	Piggybear87	I just can't connect. It gets to "connecting to server" and it hangs.
20:44	Vazon	Can someone please help me with curl and media speed issues
20:45	Calinou	<Piggybear87> Also, I have a machine with a slower CPU that I can stuff 4 HDD's into and 8 USB HDD's for practically unlimited storage space.
20:45	Calinou	any PC can do that today.
20:45	Calinou	(desktop)
20:46	Piggybear87	I know, but I wouldn't need a huge SSD for anything. Just Minetest. That's all I play.
20:47	Calinou	64GB SSDs are quite slow and are starting to die
20:47	* sfan5	throws cookies at Calinou
20:48	Calinou	I'm not angry
20:49	OldCoder	Piggybear87, I shall try to connect now
20:49	OldCoder	Which port, again?
20:50	Piggybear87	30011
20:51	OldCoder	Piggybear87, there may be a bug in latest git
20:51	OldCoder	I see no signs of network or server hardware problems
20:51	OldCoder	Or a bug in the world
20:51	Piggybear87	On my side, or yours?
20:51	OldCoder	In the world? I mean in the world
20:51	Piggybear87	No, a bug in the newest git.
20:51	OldCoder	Hm? That would be in the code
20:52	OldCoder	Let me restart the world
20:52	Piggybear87	I know, but would it be server side or client side?
20:52	OldCoder	As you are using the same client as before
20:52	OldCoder	Presumably server side
20:52	OldCoder	Hang on; I will restart the world
20:52	OldCoder	We will need to see this happen a few times
20:52	OldCoder	To gather information
20:52	Piggybear87	No, I updated today. And OK.
20:52	OldCoder	Piggybear87, favor;
20:53	Piggybear87	Yes?
20:53	OldCoder	try 30012 or 30020
20:53	OldCoder	Actually, both
20:53	OldCoder	able to connect or not to those?
20:54	Piggybear87	30020 connects, and 30012 hangs at "media...".
20:55	OldCoder	Interesting
20:55	Piggybear87	Wait, no.
20:55	Piggybear87	30020 hangs at media also.
20:55	OldCoder	I suspect a MT bug
20:55	Piggybear87	Did you update today also?
20:55	Amaz	I'm on 30020.
20:55	OldCoder	See if it happens on any other servers that have latest git
20:55	OldCoder	Yes
20:55	OldCoder	Amaz, the issue happens
20:55	OldCoder	during connect
20:55	Amaz	Okay.
20:56	OldCoder	Piggybear87, I rebuilt yesterday I think
20:56	OldCoder	But I was able to connect afterwards
20:56	Amaz	Should I quit and try come back on
20:56	Amaz	?
20:56	Piggybear87	I will re-try, maybe I'm not giving it enough time.
20:56	OldCoder	I am going to restart now; so, yes
20:56	Amaz	Okay.
20:56	OldCoder	Tell #minetest-dev media is slow
20:56	Vazon	aaaa the restart got me
20:56	Vazon	lol
20:57	sfan5	OldCoder: are you using remote_media?
20:58	Piggybear87	OldCoder, I'm connecting to landrush, but it's horrible slow.
21:00	Piggybear87	And it's hanging at media again.
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21:18	Vazon	Piggy that is why people are timing out, there hanging on media :|
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21:24	OldCoder	Piggybear87, I am setting up curl right now
21:24	OldCoder	Piggybear87, Vazon people will need curl clients
21:24	OldCoder	This is a known issue
21:24	OldCoder	From now on, curl should be thought of as a requirement
21:25	MinetestBot	GIT: sfan5 commited to minetest/minetest: Allow custom liquids to have drops 282f53ddb7 2014-06-08T23:25:13+02:00 http://git.io/ixvIHg
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21:32	Piggybear87	OldCoder, Does the ppa version of Minetest have curl?
21:32	sfan5	Piggybear87: probably
21:33	sfan5	I'd be surprised if it didn't
21:33	Piggybear87	OK, How do I check?
21:33	Amaz	By trying to join an OldCoder server?
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21:34	Piggybear87	Nevermind. I went to singleplayer and hit esc and it say curl=1
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21:35	OldCoder	Piggybear87, Amaz not ready yet
21:35	OldCoder	I am building the curl repository
21:35	OldCoder	Vazon, ^
21:35	Amaz	Okay.
21:35	Vazon	ok thanks
21:37	ExoKruzer	I have a question.. I run modded minecraft servers, however.. Since this EULA crap that has been going on.. i am looking for other options. Does Minetest have the same EULA as mojang? As in.. are servers allowed to sell perks for money in minetest?
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21:42	OldCoder	Amaz, Vazon ready to retest in a little while. This will be appreciated.
21:42	Amaz	Okay.
21:42	Amaz	Have the servers been restarted?
21:43	Miner_48er	ExoKruzer read the website or github page
21:44	Amaz	ExoKruser: I believe that it would be okay, but it may be frowned upon by some community members...
21:45	ExoKruzer	Alrighty
21:46	ExoKruzer	I have another question.. I rent a few dedicated servers from OVH with centos 6.5 on it. Is there a way to set up a minetest server using it? Or is that not available yet?
21:46	Amaz	What's OVH? A VPS?
21:46	Miner_48er	compile it from source
21:47	Amaz	If so then do as Miner_48er says.
21:47	ExoKruzer	I dont use VPS.. I use the dedicated servers. Meaning im in control to the entire "computer" and no one else
21:47	ExoKruzer	Alrighty, thanks
21:47	Amaz	Okay.
21:47	Amaz	Then as Miner_48er said.
21:48	OldCoder	Vazon, indicate depth again for edit of your world. In game units.
21:48	OldCoder	Vazon, also is the latest _game uploaded?
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21:49	Miner_48er	ExoKruzer have you tried a minetest server?
21:49	Vazon	OldCoder -1500 as in x,-1500,z and no the newest game inst uplaoded i have already made some changes should be up soon
21:50	OldCoder	kk
21:50	OldCoder	proceed pls
21:50	OldCoder	also what mod does this autoban thing?
21:52	OldCoder
21:52	OldCoder	what is remote_port for again?
21:52	NakedFury	hello
21:53	OldCoder	NakedFury, 5 worlds up shortly
21:53	OldCoder	with LuaJit, curl, latest stuff
21:53	OldCoder	Including Lord of the test
21:53	NakedFury	did you fix the problem with clients you were experiencing before>
21:53	NakedFury	?
21:53	OldCoder	Yes
21:53	OldCoder	IIRC
21:54	LemonLake	I'm really quite annoyed right now, I really want to make a mod but idk what to make :/
21:54	OldCoder	I can cross-build both 32 and 64 bit
21:54	OldCoder	Is there a MT setting to disable fog?
21:54	NakedFury	Lemonlake if you know enough coding why not try a Terrafirmacraft inspired game for minetest?
21:55	VanessaE	OldCoder: press F3
21:55	ExoKruzer	Miner_48er, what do you mean?
21:55	OldCoder	VanessaE, no; I am preparing new conf files
21:55	LemonLake	NakedFury: Terrafirmacraft?
21:55	Miner_48er	Have you tried a few servers to see what the differences are?
21:56	ExoKruzer	I havent even tried the game
21:57	Amaz	Maybe you should do that...
21:58	NakedFury	its a minecraft mod
21:58	LemonLake	NakedFury: I looked it up but don't quite understand it, what do you mean?
21:58	LemonLake	NakedFury: I don't like the idea of copying a minecraft mod...
21:58	NakedFury	its realistic in things
21:58	NakedFury	blocks fall if not supported
21:58	LemonLake	NakedFury: I'm all up for making something realistic but I'm sure something already does that
21:58	NakedFury	the crafting is very different
21:59	NakedFury	I dont think we have a mod that makes blocks fall if not supported, so making cave houses is difficult
21:59	LemonLake	NakedFury: The idea of it makes world generation a lot more laggy, the world generation is like that
21:59	NakedFury	yeah thats the downside
21:59	LemonLake	NakedFury: And too big of one to bother
22:00	OldCoder	What does public_serverlist = do?
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22:01	LemonLake	OldCoder: It remembers if you ticked the public serverlist box or not, if true it'll automatically show public servers in 'client'
22:02	Vazon	VanessaE: is there a place in the technic toolworkshop to slow down the repair a bit?
22:02	LemonLake	Okay, still on the ignore list.
22:02	LemonLake	Goodbye anyway
22:03	Amaz	Right, I'm going now!
22:03	OldCoder	Is RedCrab world up and expected to continue?
22:04	Vazon	RedCrab is having technical problems i believe
22:04	OldCoder	ty
22:04	OldCoder	I have a copy
22:05	OldCoder	I have a question. No controversy is wished. Landrush had 17,000 visitors. Most were transitory though. Essentially nobody would pay $2 per month to access a world; correct?
22:05	Vazon	i'm confused bythis question OldCoder
22:06	OldCoder	Vazon, my colocation host has often expressed interest in business models...
22:06	VanessaE	Vazon: redcrab:30401 is up and seems to work just fine with current git, amazingly enough
22:06	OldCoder	I host these worlds for free. And access to the key people would always be free. Plus I give away copies for free so that anybody can host. If I charged the public for access, I assume nobody would enter. Correct?
22:07	OldCoder	Vazon, ^
22:07	OldCoder	* for the key people
22:07	* VanessaE	looks around the spawn
22:07	VanessaE	seems about the same as I remember it
22:08	VanessaE	it's a little laggy
22:08	VanessaE	but it works
22:08	VanessaE	my house is still here
22:08	Vazon	yes
22:08	OldCoder	17,000 people. So many.
22:09	Vazon	OldCoder why not do donations, i would befine doing something like this on for my server
22:09	OldCoder	Vazon, heh
22:09	OldCoder	You are young
22:09	Vazon	donate and you get special items
22:09	OldCoder	Out of 100,000 people; 5 would donate
22:09	OldCoder	about $1
22:09	OldCoder	Once
22:09	OldCoder
22:10	Vazon	yes but o well
22:10	OldCoder	Server actually costs me money. This is just thinking.
22:10	OldCoder	Probably too soon
22:10	ExoKruzer	It depends on what you offer them in return for money..
22:10	OldCoder	We'll wait and see how things go. But fair notice; I am considering the option.
22:10	OldCoder	ExoKruzer, access to a fast server and a large world
22:10	OldCoder	That would be about it
22:10	OldCoder	I should have about 20 worlds again soon
22:10	OldCoder	Possibly a single payment gets access to 20 varied worlds
22:11	OldCoder	Might fly
22:11	ExoKruzer	Am i allowed to show you what i use for my servers?
22:11	ExoKruzer	well, link you
22:11	OldCoder	Hm? Me? of course
22:12	OldCoder	If I did something like this people would be pretty angry; but it would be anger without cause if I make copies available
22:12	ExoKruzer	http://www.soyoustart.com/us/offers/ssd-3.xml I use that
22:12	OldCoder	R
22:12	ExoKruzer	It is pretty cheap and very powerful
22:12	OldCoder	ExoKruzer, not following; what are you showing us?
22:12	OldCoder	Ah
22:13	OldCoder	Just a disk? Fine
22:13	ExoKruzer	A server to run tests on or host public servers
22:13	OldCoder	Not following; pls continue
22:14	OldCoder	Sorry but your page doesn't make things clear
22:14	OldCoder	Advisable to add a clear mission statement or use case
22:14	OldCoder	What is it that this page is for?
22:14	OldCoder	And how does it connect to you?
22:14	* OldCoder	is migrating Landrush to LevelDB
22:14	OldCoder	^ Vazon, others
22:15	* asl	think landrush is going to break
22:15	ExoKruzer	Thats not mine. That is a host for dedicated servers. What i saw in your conversation it seems like you need resources/power to run multiple worlds/servers to run tests on or let people use..
22:15	OldCoder	asl, go on; explain
22:15	OldCoder	ExoKruzer, I have plenty hardware ATM :-)
22:15	OldCoder	Need money to pay for it
22:15	asl	landrush is HUGE
22:15	OldCoder	asl, LevelDB should help. Plus I deleted 2GB of Nether.
22:16	asl	elevator to nether level still exist
22:16	OldCoder	asl, but it no longer generates
22:16	OldCoder	and I deleted what was there
22:16	OldCoder	Nether is too damn big
22:16	OldCoder	Hmm
22:17	asl	can you at least add back netherrack (the block)?
22:17	OldCoder	Blocks are still there! asl. I think it might fly. I'll run 20 good worlds. If traffic builds, fee to access. One fee for all the worlds. Copies for free to all; people can't complain.
22:17	OldCoder	asl, Brandon edited Nether
22:17	asl	i got a floor make out of it and it turn into unknown block
22:17	OldCoder	It is still there
22:17	OldCoder	I can share the mod with you and you can tell me the problem
22:18	OldCoder	I'll give you the whole landrush_game.zip
22:18	Vazon	its Netherrank Brick i believe
22:18	OldCoder	Will that help?
22:18	Vazon	netherrack is still in
22:18	OldCoder	So what is the problem with his block?
22:18	asl	it's normal netherrack, my shop turn into unknown blocks
22:18	OldCoder	Hm. Landrush migrate may take 20 minutes
22:18	OldCoder	Vazon, can you comment on his issue?
22:18	OldCoder	Also let me know when you have uploaded new _game
22:20	OldCoder	Vazon, asl, Amaz my worlds will restart in a bit. I have added curl to make media whoosh by :P also changing some worlds to LevelDB. LuaJit in place. Not sure what to do to make it faster.
22:20	asl	disable all the mods, that will make it faster :P
22:20	OldCoder	Awww but people love their mods
22:20	OldCoder	Plus LuaJit helps with that
22:20	Vazon	ok
22:21	OldCoder	Landrush migrate at 3%. Possibly a full hour to migrate. It *is* a large world.
22:22	OldCoder	Vazon, I'm going to go feed http://oldcoder.org/cluck.jpg but may edit your levels after
22:22	Vazon	kk
22:39	OldCoder	Vazon, back and dropping all blocks below block depth -92 which should be game depth -1472.
22:39	OldCoder	Landrush migrate is at 10%
22:39	Vazon	mhmm that would just cut off one of my players that still players builds
22:39	OldCoder	Might start other worlds without waiting for that one
22:39	OldCoder	Vazon, the granularity is times 16
22:39	OldCoder	If I do -93
22:40	OldCoder	Might be -1486
22:40	OldCoder	Would that be right?
22:40	OldCoder	Understand...
22:40	Vazon	yes i know and yes -93 should just make it
22:40	OldCoder	the test is for *below* this number
22:40	OldCoder	Where is the player at?
22:40	Vazon	-1479 i belive
22:40	OldCoder	Yes; then -93
22:40	OldCoder	What do you have at -1500 ?
22:41	Vazon	nothing there are just some publics mines that go the deep and that person has personal builds down there.
22:41	OldCoder	No
22:41	OldCoder	I mean, you
22:41	OldCoder	What are we dropping at -1500?
22:41	OldCoder	Out of curiosity
22:42	OldCoder	Vazon, edit is done. (1) Answer above out of curiosity. (2) Upload new _game. (3) Test your world and see if it all worked. (4) I will then migrate you to LevelDB.
22:43	OldCoder	Hm
22:43	OldCoder	40% of your map was down there
22:43	OldCoder	Vazon, ^
22:43	Vazon	ok, and we are droping that because there are many ores that because of mines that generate up higher but will not generate till like -10000 so i want that area regenerated
22:43	OldCoder	What was so large down there? 40% of the size was there
22:44	Vazon	OldCoder i seem to have a bunch of miners not builds xD
22:44	OldCoder	Ah
22:44	OldCoder	Minahs
22:44	OldCoder	Very well
22:44	OldCoder	Finish your _game
22:44	Vazon	its almost done like another 5 min and i will start moving it to the ftp server
22:45	OldCoder	Vazon, see PM
22:46	Vazon	i did
22:49	OldCoder	kkty
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23:22	ligeti	goodnight all
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23:28	kaeza	evenings
23:40	Eater4	OldCoder: how do I get minetest to run a script
23:40	Eater4	??
23:41	OldCoder	Eater4, Hi! Can you elaborate?
23:41	OldCoder	You can write a mod
23:42	OldCoder	In Lua
23:42	OldCoder	It can do a number of things for you
23:42	Eater4	Nvm
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23:43	Vazon	ok back
23:45	OldCoder	Hang on
23:45	OldCoder	Vazon, I have migrated your world to LevelDB
23:45	OldCoder	And deleted the lower levels
23:45	OldCoder	Wait
23:45	Vazon	ok
23:47	OldCoder	Damn
23:47	OldCoder	Hang on
23:48	Vazon	whats wrong?
23:48	OldCoder	Not your world
23:48	OldCoder	Wait
23:49	OldCoder	Vazon, I terminated the Landrush migration by mistake I think. anyway enter your world but use a curl client.
23:52	Vazon	??? what is a curl client
23:52	ShadowBot	Vazon: Error: You must be registered to use this command. If you are already registered, you must either identify (using the identify command) or add a hostmask matching your current hostmask (using the "hostmask add" command).
23:52	OldCoder	Vazon, I lack the time to talk you through this. But curl is a standard feature these days. Some clients have it and some do not.
23:52	OldCoder	Int he future
23:52	OldCoder	In the future *
23:53	OldCoder	All of the clients I build will have it
23:53	Vazon	kk
23:53	OldCoder	It is needed to solve network problems
23:54	Vazon	ok

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