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Time Nick Message
00:00 ligeti Piggybear87, are you in the dev team (I see you in the dev channel)
00:00 ligeti or maybe LemonLake?
00:01 ligeti anyone?
00:01 Piggybear87 No, I auto join there. What do you need though?
00:01 LemonLake Hmm?
00:01 LemonLake I also autojoin there. I like to take peeks.
00:01 ligeti I want to check the communication function/s
00:01 Piggybear87 I'm out. Lol.
00:01 ligeti the ... "protocol" used
00:01 ligeti lol
00:01 ligeti ok
00:01 ligeti I found the connection.h
00:02 ligeti but...
00:02 LemonLake umm ok
00:02 * Piggybear87 is not good with code.
00:02 Piggybear87 Maybe kaeza can be of assistance.
00:02 LemonLake What's wrong ligeti?
00:02 * kaeza is not here
00:02 kaeza <.<
00:02 LemonLake Sure, ask #-dev
00:03 ligeti nothing is "wrong" :)
00:03 Piggybear87 He lies... He's everywhere, sorta like god...
00:03 LemonLake Brb, just gonna throw up
00:03 ligeti I am just testing the game (security wise)
00:03 ligeti I am a pentester :P
00:03 ligeti an I though to ... take a look
00:03 kaeza Piggybear87, what's the issue?
00:03 ligeti Piggybear87,  lol
00:04 Piggybear87 I don't know. ligeti needed help.
00:04 LemonLake Is it reliable to abuse the allow_metadata_inventory_put and allow_metadata_inventory_move functions to read stored data in an item then show it in a list?
00:04 Piggybear87 Vazon, you there?
00:04 kaeza oh, well, sapier is more knowledgeable about the protocols and security
00:05 ligeti hmmm connection.h was made by celeron55 (who is marked as away now)
00:05 LemonLake Yes, but sapier knows stuff.
00:05 LemonLake Take our word for it
00:05 LemonLake celeron55 made a lot of stuff.
00:05 Piggybear87 Ah, OK. I know that you did the IRC mod, so I thought you could help with the communication issue he's having.
00:06 Piggybear87 Like the whole game... Lol.
00:06 ligeti lol
00:07 kaeza ligeti, your best bet is to ask on #minetest-dev and hope someone can answer within the following 365 days
00:07 LemonLake ^
00:07 kaeza J/K, answers only take a week
00:07 ligeti kaeza, loool
00:07 ligeti it's OK
00:08 ligeti I know dev people are always busy
00:08 LemonLake busy sucking themselves off that's for sure
00:08 ligeti (I wonder why though but oh well)
00:08 ligeti LemonLake, lol
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00:10 LemonLake https://cdn.mediacru.sh/lk-pqS2fVqeb.png
00:11 * LemonLake hangs self
00:11 ligeti o.0
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00:19 Piggybear87 Is there a way I can download drivers that I don't yet need (the hardawre isn't installed yet)?
00:19 LemonLake Yeah. From the regular place you'd get them.
00:21 Piggybear87 I usually get the from the "additional drivers" place in my menu > system tools
00:21 Piggybear87 But that only works when the hardware is installed.
00:22 LemonLake https://cdn.mediacru.sh/bQQJUcexfu9w.png Much better :D
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00:35 LemonLake ginna catch up on sleep and stuff
00:35 LemonLake good night
00:35 kaeza nite
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00:48 ligeti ok guys... goodnight
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01:37 Piggybear87 Well, it seems as if sfan5 was right... I got the card to work (for now...) and my OpenGL version shot up to 2.1.1 and all of my textures work, sky and clouds are normal, and FPS went from ~10 to ~40+. I just hope it keeps working...
01:40 Vazon thats great Piggy
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01:53 Piggybear87 Oh, hello Vazon. What was the address for Landrush? I re-installed my OS and lost my favorites list.
01:54 Vazon minetest.org port 30012
01:54 Vazon 30012*
01:54 Vazon 30011*
01:54 Vazon stupid buttons -.-
01:54 Piggybear87 Oh, port 30011, I was going to 30000. And lol.
01:55 Vazon lol
01:55 Piggybear87 !up minetest.org
01:55 MinetestBot minetest.org:30000 seems to be down
01:55 Piggybear87 !up minetest.org 30011
01:55 MinetestBot minetest.org:30011 is up (418ms)
01:55 Vazon OldCoder hosts 3 servers all on minetest.org and ports are 30010 30011 and 30012
01:55 Vazon !up minetest.org 30010
01:55 MinetestBot minetest.org:30010 is up (196ms)
01:56 Vazon !up minetest.org 30012
01:56 MinetestBot minetest.org:30012 is up (206ms)
01:56 Piggybear87 Why is landrush so slow?
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01:56 Vazon Piggy map is big and remember its still very unstable so it keeps reloading
01:57 Piggybear87 That's OK. I want to work on my lab.
01:59 Vazon as long as no one else is on you should be find, just do not drop items
02:00 Piggybear87 OK.
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02:05 * asl is still unable to join landrush :(
02:05 Piggybear87 It needs to be fixed... I thought BrandonReese was fixing landrush_game and sending back to OldCoder?
02:06 Piggybear87 asl, You joined and it crashed.
02:09 Vazon Piggy he is by a bunch of droped items thus it will crash
02:10 asl there no dropped items near me at all iirc
02:13 Piggybear87 WTF? I can't check my reactor
02:13 Piggybear87 I keep getting hurt near it.
02:15 Piggybear87 RealBadAngel, Did you change Technic to hurt people near the reactor? I was trying to check the uranium supply in it and every time I try it hurts me.
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02:24 asl piggybear87: it was added long ago, https://github.com/minetest-technic/technic/b​lob/ee0765804c0a21deeb2f33c22ac1a36cb0db5f43/​technic/machines/HV/nuclear_reactor.lua#L196
02:25 Piggybear87 Why hurt people though? You NEED to get near it.
02:25 asl i think it always has been there from the start
02:25 Piggybear87 No. I used to check it every day.
02:26 asl try jumping into a real active nuclear reactor and see if it hurt :P
02:26 Piggybear87 How are you supposed to refill it?
02:26 asl you wait till it run out i guess
02:27 asl it stop hurting once it's empty
02:28 Piggybear87 That's stupid...
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02:30 Piggybear87 Howdy BrandonReese! Did you fix the landrush_game?
02:37 BrandonReese It's up at minetest.org 30011 but it's been crashing
02:38 Piggybear87 I know, that's why I said "fix". Lol.
02:38 BrandonReese Oh I'm not sure I'm getting on now to check it out
02:39 asl brandonreese, tell me if you need me to crash the server lol,  it crash whenever i try to join
02:39 Piggybear87 It does still crash. Vazon and I can't figure it out.
02:40 Vazon Brandon i cant figure it out, i know part of it is the intweaks mod, but I dont think thats the full problem
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02:40 BrandonReese Can you get me the debug.txt?
02:41 Vazon i had a old debug but it should nothing
02:41 Vazon BrandonReese: http://minetest.org/landrush.txt
02:42 The_Beast Hey
02:43 Vazon Brandon if you want i can modify your game on my end and create a non crashing version with in about 30min to a hour but not everything will be the same (mods will be more updated)
02:44 RealBadAngel Piggybear87, there should be some protection suit added for that
02:44 asl yay for updated mods
02:44 BrandonReese Is there anyway you can just remove intweak from my agem for now to see if that's the main cause of the crashes?
02:45 Piggybear87 RealBadAngel, OK, I didn't see it but I will check.
02:45 Vazon yes i can, can i have the most resent version of your game( not the one from oldcoder)?
02:45 Vazon have one from oldcoder but i have messed with it so things have changed
02:45 Vazon I have*
02:46 BrandonReese Oh I thought maybe you had shell access to OldCoder's server
02:48 Vazon im able to add stuff to it and download stuff from it, just not able to access the server directly right now, OldCoder wants to a "minetest server panel" so we can make changes but until then i have to go through him
02:49 BrandonReese The copy of my game I have is before OldCoder removed the mods I don't need. I guess intweak is the only one I forgot to tell him to remove
02:49 BrandonReese I'll just wait for him to make the change since I'm sure that's probably the problem
02:50 Vazon ok, its his birthday so hes not around, i will have him change it as soon as he shows up.
02:50 BrandonReese That's fine. He told me he wouldn't be around for a few days
02:50 Vazon ya
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02:55 WindHero !tell Amaz Thanks, but it still needs plenty of work.  I got it to tile the image horizontally, but it still needs to tile vertically.  The coordinates are also off and un-centered.
02:55 MinetestBot WindHero: I'll pass that on when Amaz is around
02:55 Vazon !up minetest.org 30012
02:55 MinetestBot minetest.org:30012 seems to be down
02:55 Vazon mhmm strange all the servers have shutdown
02:55 Vazon must be moving
02:56 Piggybear87 I need help. Anyone know what's wrong? http://pastebin.com/LtqP7gui
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02:57 WindHero welp, the server is down, so I'm staying here :P
02:58 Vazon piggy i get that alot as well, nothing to worry about. doesnt hurt anything
02:58 Piggybear87 Yes it does, it crashes the game.
02:59 asl that's what happen on windows :P
03:00 Piggybear87 The game crashes after a few breaks. The only thing I haven't seen before is the interlace handling part.
03:01 Zeno` well I have that interlace handling "error" all the time and it does nothing... I just ignore it
03:01 Zeno` it's never caused a crash (for me) afaik
03:01 Vazon lol
03:03 WindHero stable minetest only crashes for me if a mod has an error or I run out of RAM
03:03 WindHero but when I use the daily builds....
03:03 WindHero the most random things crash it :P
03:04 Piggybear87 But everytime she breaks a few blocks, the console goes haywire and the game shuts down. A window pops up saying "minetest engine core main application has stopped working".
03:04 Piggybear87 We tried stable.
03:04 Piggybear87 Right now we're using sfan5's build.
03:04 Piggybear87 Unstable build*
03:05 WindHero that's the unstable build I use...
03:05 WindHero for some reason I can't even get BlockMen's to work
03:05 WindHero usually missing dll's
03:06 Piggybear87 I believe we tried every build (stable and unstable). Except the 64bit ones.
03:06 asl i blame windows, must be some dep that is killing the program
03:07 Piggybear87 It was working fine on 0.4.8 a while ago. Now we keep getting these errors.
03:12 Vazon Piggybear
03:13 Vazon !up minetest.org 30011
03:13 MinetestBot minetest.org:30011 is up (949ms)
03:13 Vazon ^^
03:26 Zeno` I'm into day three attempting to get minetest-irc to work lol
03:33 Exio4 unless the irc mod needs you to recompile the kernel, run minetest under a vm and all of this while holding a potato i don't think it is so hard
03:33 Zeno` 4 different people have tried (all experienced with linux)
03:34 Zeno` So it's not just me unfortunately
03:34 * Zeno` pokes kaeza
03:34 Exio4 i'll try to run it
03:34 Exio4 UNDER WINDOWS
03:35 Zeno` Exio4, ok... make sure it's the latest git version
03:35 Zeno` although working under windows and working under linux... dunno what it'll prove lol
03:37 Exio4 i don't have a working linux here
03:38 Exio4 the graphics driver fucked up here and i can't reboot this laptop too much (limited boot count)
03:38 Zeno` hmm, ok
03:39 Zeno` have you got a potato?
03:40 Exio4 i got a carrot-shaped apple
03:40 Zeno` that'll do
03:40 Exio4 nice thing tho: have mingw and lotz of stuff here :D
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03:45 Piggybear87 YAY!!! I got my girl to install Lubuntu! A die-hard Windows user is installing Linux right now. :)
03:50 Vazon lol Piggybear87 it sounds like you had to beg her lol
03:52 Piggybear87 Nope, she just wants to play Minetest. Lol.
03:52 Vazon lol
03:53 Vazon did you forget to mention that minetest can be played on windows?
03:53 Piggybear87 No, the windows build isn't working.
03:54 Vazon o
03:54 fishyWET wat do you mean by isn't working? i'm using windows, and minetest works fine for me...
03:55 Piggybear87 It's  not on her machine.
03:57 fishyWET maybe this may help: http://wiki.minetest.net/Troubleshoo​ting#Error_messages_without_crashes
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04:02 Exio4 well shit
04:02 Exio4 5-15FPS here
04:02 Exio4 so too much for today
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04:09 WindHero https://forum.minetest.net/viewto​pic.php?f=3&amp;p=144154#p144154
04:09 WindHero managed to cut out coastlines! ^
04:10 fishyWET cool, nice work!
04:10 WindHero thanks
04:10 WindHero that's right, I still need to pull the changes to the mapgen you made today...
04:10 WindHero the additions look great
04:11 fishyWET i suggest not, the buildings generating using tons of abm, rather laggy
04:11 WindHero suggestion, in that case
04:11 WindHero put a callback in on_generated()
04:12 WindHero to do a if math.random() < --very small numer-- then    minetest.place_schematic
04:13 WindHero unfortunately, I'm not sure if map-based biome generation is going to be very useful..........
04:14 WindHero due to the rather low compression of bmp images, minetest will throw an exception and quit when it runs out of memory
04:14 fishyWET i'm worrying abt the size of the map, if it is too small, yeah it might not be very useful
04:15 WindHero with a map 1200x1800,
04:15 fishyWET :/
04:16 WindHero you can load about 7 or 8 mapchunks
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04:16 WindHero so 6400*80 nodes * 7 or 8
04:16 WindHero but I'm using a mid-range laptop
04:16 WindHero a desktop could handle it WAY better
04:17 WindHero if png images could be used, it wouldn't be a problem....
04:17 WindHero but I don't have the know-how to create a png loader :/
04:18 fishyWET take a screenshot and make it a png file? blurry but works.
04:18 WindHero no
04:18 WindHero it's not that way
04:19 WindHero it's actually making Minetest load a png into a mod
04:19 WindHero by default, minetest can't load any images except textures
04:19 WindHero and it can't do much with those textures
04:19 fishyWET oh :/
04:19 WindHero however, kaeza made a mod to load bmp images and actively use the data to create node-art out of wool blocks
04:20 WindHero so I edited it majorly to load biome data instead
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04:21 WindHero hence, I'm limited by the fact that the mod was limited to just bmp's
04:21 hoodedice Guess who's back!
04:22 WindHero heya!
04:22 fishyWET hi
04:23 hoodedice Actually, I fired up quassel to get into #blender, but it seems I forgot to part #minetest last time I was here =P
04:24 WindHero if I learn how to use lua to read bytes from a file
04:24 WindHero it could work better
04:24 fishyWET WindHero: is it possible to make it load the png textures and ignore the bmp files?
04:24 WindHero and I could code it to read png with much blood sweat and tears
04:25 WindHero that's the thing
04:25 WindHero I can't read individual pixel values from textures
04:25 WindHero and I can't load pngs in a format in which I can
04:26 kaeza pong
04:26 WindHero hallo
04:26 kaeza hi
04:26 WindHero unintentional ping, lol
04:26 hoodedice yo
04:26 WindHero although zeno` intentionally pinged you
04:27 kaeza hm?
04:27 kaeza anyway...
04:27 WindHero not sure if you saw the screenshots on the forum, but i modified your imageloader
04:27 WindHero to create a map of biomes
04:28 WindHero it's a blend of my own code, your imageloader, and paramat's biomes for mapgen7 mod
04:28 kaeza proper (de)compression in pure Lua is (almost) impossible
04:28 kaeza however!
04:28 hoodedice Link lua to a C++ code, and bow down to the awesomeness!
04:28 kaeza you can use LuaJit's ffi to load libpng in some way
04:29 WindHero !
04:29 kaeza or do as hoodedice says
04:29 WindHero I'll have to look into that... sounds promising :)
04:29 kaeza (better yet: linking with some generic image library like FreeImage/libgd/etc)
04:30 WindHero hmm
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04:30 WindHero it'll come down to which offers the most flexibility at the least memory use
04:31 WindHero if one of those options can swiftly load, say, an 80x80 'chunk' of an image, that would be amazing
04:31 kaeza hmm
04:31 WindHero as it stands, the only way I can load images for the mod is to read the whole bloody thing into a list I can reference later
04:31 WindHero very memory inefficient :P
04:32 WindHero and when I tried loading a portion of the image every time on_generated() ran, it was too slow to keep players playing
04:32 WindHero like, 20 seconds every time I reached the edge of a chunk
04:33 kaeza better to keep the image loaded all times and fetch the regions as required
04:33 WindHero that's basically how I have it
04:33 kaeza shouldn't use too much memory I think
04:34 kaeza (depending on the definition of "too much")
04:34 WindHero well, considering maps usually should be _at least_ 1000 nodes square...
04:34 WindHero BMP already uses up a decent number of MBs
04:35 WindHero 6.17 for the map I'm currently using
04:35 WindHero when I tried expanding it to 33000 square to cover the whole map... roflol
04:35 Piggybear87 Now that she's on Lubuntu, Minetest is running perfectly and 4X the FPS... I told her Linux was better. LOL!
04:35 WindHero GIMP just said NO
04:36 WindHero nice
04:36 kaeza >FreeImage is GPL'd
04:36 kaeza guess that means no
04:37 WindHero :/
04:37 WindHero guess I'm stuck with C++
04:38 WindHero or libpng
04:39 WindHero although not everyone has LuaJIT, afaik
04:42 kaeza ...
04:44 hoodedice -.-
04:51 Zeno` I pinged you a while ago kaeza
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04:51 Zeno` kaeza, just wondered if you got a msg from VE regarding minetest-irc?
04:55 kaeza Zeno`, no
04:55 kaeza Zeno`, but there's these bits from #minetest-technic:
04:55 kaeza [15:27:00] <Shadow_Ninja> Vanessa_E: I pushed a commit that reorders the require() search path and fixes that.
04:55 kaeza [15:27:43] <Shadow_Ninja> It was loading ./irc/messages.lua instead of <irc mod path>/irc/messages.lua (./irc/irc/messages.lua).
04:55 Zeno` ahh ok. She was trying to install minetest-irc on my server last night and wasn't able to do it either :(
05:00 kaeza Zeno`, http://0bin.net/paste/SjqL3c2g90eiNmmB#W3p​+IxVkBQeRj175RZOW6yk8ht+lSxCJSCSPYskRrhU=
05:01 Zeno` I tried again this morning (no luck) but will do so again now making sure I have all the latest git commits
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05:10 Zeno` kaeza: http://0bin.net/paste/lPWQ7OdZjtYmRGfs#BmD​RpspHKFypf6SCf5QqMtgUd61HgBWTLSx42o9K2oE=
05:10 Zeno` socket is in /usr/lib64/lua/....
05:10 Zeno` well, sort of
05:11 Zeno` ls /usr/lib64/lua/5.1/socket/
05:11 Zeno` core.so
05:21 kaeza Zeno`, have you already tried adding /usr/lib64/lua/5.1/ to package.cpath?
05:22 Zeno` no, how do I do that?
05:22 kaeza go to irc/init.lua and add this at the top:
05:23 kaeza package.cpath = "/usr/lib64/lua/5.1/?.so;"..package.cpath
05:24 Zeno` same thing
05:25 kaeza err...
05:25 Zeno` did you see my ls above? I have no socket.so
05:25 Zeno` there is only core.so in that directory
05:25 kaeza no, because it's socket.lua, which loads core.so
05:25 Zeno` ahh ok
05:26 kaeza gimme a sec
05:26 kaeza before this line: https://github.com/kaeza/minete​st-irc/blob/master/init.lua#L11
05:26 kaeza add:
05:27 kaeza .."/usr/lib64/lua/5.1/?.lua;"
05:28 Piggybear87 Night all.
05:29 Zeno` where would you expect socket.lua to be?
05:30 kaeza /usr/lib64/lua/5.1/socket/socket.lua
05:30 Zeno` it ain't there.. let me check something
05:30 kaeza hmm
05:32 Zeno` there is no -devel package and the hmmmm
05:33 kaeza `locate socket.lua`?
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05:36 Zeno` I don't think it exists :)
05:37 Zeno` I've tried this on Ubuntu, Fedora20 and also CentOS btw
05:38 kaeza $ locate socket.lua
05:38 kaeza /usr/local/share/lua/5.1/socket.lua
05:38 kaeza Linux kaeza-VirtualBox 3.11.0-15-generic #25~precise1-Ubuntu SMP Thu Jan 30 17:42:40 UTC 2014 i686 i686 i386 GNU/Linux
05:39 kaeza luasocket installed via luarocks
05:42 Zeno` ok I'll build luarocks and start from there
05:43 kaeza doesn't your distro have a luarocks package?
05:44 Zeno` yeah it does
05:44 Zeno` just installed it
05:45 Zeno` now, how do I use it? lol
05:45 kaeza simply do `luarocks install luasocket` :)
05:46 kaeza eh... `sudo ...`
05:46 Zeno` yea, of course :)
05:47 Zeno` it crashes... should I uninstall the current luasocket first?
05:47 kaeza yea
05:48 Zeno` I think I'm going to have to give up. When I do luarocks install luasocket it appears to download something and then try and compile that something. That something will not compile rofl
05:48 Zeno` src/mime.c full of errors
05:50 Zeno` ahh
05:51 Zeno` I may try and compile the whole lot from scratch :( Do you know the official luasocket repo location?
05:51 Zeno` and if that doesn't work I give up
05:52 kaeza https://github.com/diegonehab/luasocket
05:52 Zeno` thanks. I'll give it a go
06:05 Zeno` building from scratch doesn't provide socket.lua either lol
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06:07 VanessaE kaeza: honestly, the IRC mod was a LOT easier to handle when it provided copies of LuaIRC and luasocket within the archive.
06:08 Zeno` ok I got it to work
06:10 Zeno` I think
06:10 Zeno` yes
06:10 Zeno` finally
06:11 VanessaE submodules and depending on an external library clearly complicates the issue :(
06:11 realtinymonster Woo!
06:11 Zeno` anyway it works now... what a mission that was
06:11 Zeno` I don't want to do it again hehe
06:11 * realtinymonster tried Terasology...
06:12 realtinymonster Zeno`: i bet
06:14 sfan5 meow
06:15 realtinymonster I am happy that I managed to get a virus-free copy of Extreme-G 2 PC. It took a while...
06:17 * realtinymonster feels like a virus magnet..
06:17 kaeza VanessaE, poke ShadowNinja about that; I'm regretting splitting the package like that
06:19 kaeza I don't know to which extent it "eases mainteinance" at the cost of annoying just about everyone that tries to install it
06:19 VanessaE how hard would it be to un-split it?
06:19 kaeza it's just a couple reverts/rebases
06:19 * realtinymonster throws XG2 at kaeza
06:20 * kaeza meows at realtinymonster
06:20 kaeza XG2?
06:22 realtinymonster kaeza: http://google.com/search?q=extreme+g+2+pc
06:23 * kaeza thought Xenogears 2
06:24 * sfan5 throws ICs at kaeza
06:24 realtinymonster heh, what be dat?
06:24 sfan5 did you hear of google?
06:24 kaeza realtinymonster, http://google.com/search?q=xenogears+2
06:25 realtinymonster yeah, but i dont want to exit irc...
06:27 * realtinymonster got Warsow today!
06:27 kaeza >tells someone GIYF for a completely random game
06:27 kaeza >doesn't bother to google a well known series
06:29 realtinymonster well-known? to whom? a minority?
06:29 realtinymonster ^ kaeza
06:30 kaeza >added to le ignore list
06:30 Zeno` I think you should unsplit it heh
06:31 * sfan5 curls up to Zeno`'s lap
06:31 Zeno` umm... errr... /me pets sfan5?
06:31 sfan5 yes please
06:31 Zeno` ok, here, have a cookie as well
06:31 * sfan5 noms it
06:32 kaeza meh
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06:38 VanessaE ok off to bed for me
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07:53 celeron55 http://www.pcgamer.com/2014/06/06/mojang-hints-at-​crackdown-on-pay-for-perk-minecraft-servers/#null
07:53 celeron55 8)
07:54 celeron55 this seems utterly ironical in the context of what you can do with MT
07:55 asie yes
07:55 asie celeron55: that's why i abandoned the minecraft modding community a month ago
07:55 asie i foresaw with what's happening in the modding scene that mojang is starting to take a lot of law things seriously
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08:03 celeron55 of course, some of those servers are pretty bad as far as i have heard
08:04 asie of course
08:04 celeron55 like outright pay-to-win; it's not really a benefit of anyone except the server owner
08:04 asie but they run what is essentially "the minecraft economy"
08:04 asie the worst ones
08:04 asie they get a lot of money
08:04 asie they pay plugin/mod devs/server admins/etc
08:04 asie from which they get money to sustain their work
08:04 asie cutting them off will cause a huge blow to that
08:07 celeron55 but if they do that by basically exploiting children for getting money, i can at least see why people get mad
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08:09 celeron55 the easiest way to get money in a capitalist system is to cheat to the detriment of others; those just have to be weeded out for things to be healthy no matter how much money they get
08:09 Calinou many Minecraft server hosts greatly cover their hosting costs using donations
08:10 Calinou (which can be high, like 75 euros/month)
08:13 sfan5 conclusion: don't touch MC?
08:13 celeron55 i wonder what would happen if this was happening in the MT community
08:13 VanessaE 75 euros a month for a server? O_O
08:14 asie VanessaE: yes
08:14 VanessaE jesus, what is that, colo rate?
08:14 asie 150 players + multiple worlds + Java.
08:14 VanessaE oh, right.  Java.
08:14 asie servers that big need /at least/ 8GB of RAM to survive, and a beefy CPU (beefy in terms of one-core speed, not multi-core, but that will be fixed in 1.8)
08:14 asie and many servers opt to optimize for multi-core by running each world on separate instances
08:14 asie those servers buy machines with 16 or even 32GB of RAM
08:14 asie or even dedis altogether
08:14 asie of course, if you know how to optimize your server and find good deals
08:14 VanessaE Minetest, if it could multithread better (in this specific circumstance), it could handle 300+ with the tiny little dedi I run, and that only costs me US $29/mo.
08:15 asie i managed to host a 25-player *modded* server on a $10/mo VPS with 2GB of RAM
08:15 asie without a single crash or issue
08:15 asie 25-player *modded* is roughly 40-player regular
08:15 Calinou <sfan5> conclusion: don't touch MC?
08:15 asie you just have to know what you're doing
08:15 Calinou I approve.jpg
08:15 VanessaE exactly
08:15 Calinou <VanessaE> 75 euros a month for a server? O_O
08:15 asie but most server owners don't
08:15 Calinou dedicated machine
08:15 asie from what i've seen
08:15 Calinou multi-core CPU and at least 4GB of RAM are preferred for large MC server ;)
08:15 sfan5 s/jpg/png/
08:15 sfan5 pls
08:15 VanessaE Calinou: mine's dedicated, dual core, 8GB.
08:16 Calinou sfan5, I stopped touching it since January…
08:16 VanessaE but I don't need to run Java :P
08:16 Calinou VanessaE, yes, but it's at home
08:16 VanessaE Calinou: um, no....
08:16 Calinou don't you host your Minetest servers at home?
08:16 VanessaE Calinou: not unless I've somehow been teleported up to Canada.
08:16 VanessaE I mean literally, a dedicated server.  OVH datacenter up in Ontario.
08:16 Calinou <asie> 25-player *modded* is roughly 40-player regular
08:16 Calinou how is modded lighter? less TPS by default?
08:17 asie Calinou: no
08:17 asie 25 players on modded == 40 players on regular
08:17 Calinou ah
08:17 asie but modded can, indeed, be lighter
08:17 Calinou but anyway, it's sad to see Minecraft still uses 20 TPS
08:17 asie TickThreading is a mod which rewrites all mods dynamically (and Minecraft!) to multithread all worlds and entities
08:17 asie of course, it only worked for a few weeks before Mojang Broke Everything(tm)
08:17 asie and the dev ran out of patience
08:17 Calinou Minetest uses 0.1 server step (equivalent to 10 TPS) since long time ago, before, it even used 5
08:18 asie with TickThreading, you are only bound by RAM really
08:18 asie CPU stops being an issue altogether
08:18 asie but of course mod devs are asshats who only support vanilla MC because they're too lazy to work for a better thing beyond their own egos
08:18 asie except for a few notable exceptions, of course
08:18 asie but ego inflation is a major issue in the MC mod world
08:18 asie this doesn't happen here because we don't get the issue of centralized modpacks (every server can have their own game)
08:19 Calinou <asie> but ego inflation is a major issue in the MC mod world
08:19 Calinou indeed
08:19 Calinou also because lots of mods are proprietary
08:19 asie actually
08:19 asie less mods are propiertary than you think
08:19 asie most of the major ones are, though
08:19 asie but i managed to convince a few mod authors to go open when i was hanging around there
08:19 Calinou no mod on the forums is proprietary here
08:19 asie then i got banned from #TinkersConstruct... by jadedcat
08:19 asie who neither owns the channel nor anything
08:19 asie she's the main developer of FTB modpacks
08:20 asie claims her opinion doesn't matter, yet every major mod changelog now contains "fixed bugs reported by jadedcat"
08:20 asie but FTB makes quite a lot of money from their Curse partnership... surely they could hire a dev to fix those mods
08:20 asie but NOOOOO THEY'RE PROPIERTARY
08:20 Calinou typical Curse
08:20 asie so mod authors brag for attention of centralized modpack devs to get into the pack
08:20 asie then the modpack devs brag for attention of mod authors to get the bugs fixed
08:20 asie ...that's when i went out, said no, and developed FOSSIL on a boring weekend
08:21 asie a modpack consisting 100% of open-source modd
08:21 asie mods*
08:21 asie i should clarify, FOSS mods
08:21 asie because there are quite a few open-source mods which aren't FOSS, and I've been flamed for not treating open-source mods as FOSS
08:21 asie for instance, Not Enough Items, MineFactory Reloaded...
08:21 asie Reika's mods, etc
08:21 Calinou “free/libre mods”
08:21 Calinou is what I would say, personally
08:21 asie Calinou: good term
08:21 asie https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/​ccc?key=0AuqVyNf3BeXLdHNXYkxQTTRITEo​yc0kwUC1pY3lDWkE&amp;usp=drive_web
08:22 asie someone forked it off me and removed the MMPL mods, though
08:22 asie as the MMPL contains a clause that you need to have a legal copy of the game
08:22 asie i decided it doesn't matter because the Mojang EULA does, too
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08:22 asie the other dev said it does because it's not FOSS then, but you're barred from using it either way
08:22 asie another problem is the Minecraft community favors popular solutions over good solutions, but that's a problem everywhere
08:22 nman3600 hi AHH fu*k i might've sprained my wrist and it FLIPPING HURTS
08:22 asie see: Minecraft itself, Linux/systemd, Windows (the whole thing)
08:23 Calinou is there anything better than systemd that covers as much use cases? I doubt it
08:23 Calinou upstart is frequently hated on too
08:23 Calinou OpenRC probably doesn't cover enough use cases
08:23 asie Calinou: i'm DIYing a system for personal usage in my personal distro
08:23 asie based on runit and a few other things
08:23 asie but fully modular
08:23 * nman3600 is preparing to update multitest 1.0 to multitest 2.0!
08:24 celeron55 to be honest, systemd is pretty good compared to a shell-based init system or upstart
08:24 asie runit has a lot of the advantages of systemd/upstart's *service management system*, and it only does service management
08:24 celeron55 but i'm sure there are better options
08:24 Calinou that's what I think too celeron55… as long as we use something else than standard init
08:24 asie which means you need to fit all of systemd's other features from elsewhere
08:24 asie which is what i'm doing, as i believe modularity is an important thing
08:24 asie also lightweightness
08:24 nman3600 i'm on #multitest if you want to suggest things
08:24 asie systemd is neither
08:25 asie s6 is also an interesting init system
08:26 celeron55 (shell-based ones are a pain to develop and maintain, and upstart is from the user perspective like a broken systemd)
08:26 Calinou the most important is perceived lightweightness: does it boot fast?
08:26 asie yes
08:26 asie runit has parallel service bringup and automtaic dependency resolution just like systemd
08:26 asie automatic*
08:27 asie http://smarden.org/runit/
08:28 celeron55 but, do you have any chance of getting it into anything that people actually use?
08:29 * nman3600 now updates multitest
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08:29 asie celeron55: do i look like i care
08:29 asie i'm working on a distro that's mostly personal
08:30 asie due to dissatisfaction with most currently available solutions
08:30 celeron55 no you don't
08:30 asie :)
08:30 sfan5 asie: did you try arch?
08:31 celeron55 i think you should try to make it as easily available as you can as some kind of useful package to those that are interested
08:31 asie sfan5: i am using arch
08:31 sfan5 oh
08:31 asie i am also using pacman as the package manager of my distro
08:31 celeron55 i used arch, but then when arch was bastardized, i simply moved to fedora
08:31 asie think "arch with everything i consider bloated thrown out"
08:31 celeron55 it's like the same thing now except that arch is more buggy and instable
08:31 celeron55 unstable*
08:31 asie i'm using busybox as a replacement for a lot of the simpler coreutils
08:31 sfan5 wait wait
08:31 asie using the originals only when busybox lacks important features
08:31 sfan5 you are able to find "bloated" stuff in a basic installation of arch?
08:31 asie sfan5: systemd
08:32 asie a giant blob of features where most people don't even use half of them
08:32 sfan5 "stuff" is usually not just one thing
08:32 asie other than that, not really
08:32 asie sfan5: also glibc is bloated
08:32 asie the musl libc is a lot zippier and has all of the features of it that matter
08:32 sfan5 why not uClibc?
08:32 celeron55 i'm waiting for some useful distro to get rid of glibc; it seems like an obvious thing to do
08:33 * nman3600 struggles to update multitest
08:33 asie sfan5: musl has a lot more features and better quality code in a similar filesize
08:33 celeron55 http://www.etalabs.net/compare_libcs.html
08:33 asie http://www.etalabs.net/compare_libcs.html
08:33 asie yeah, that
08:33 asie musl beats uClibc heavily
08:33 asie anyway, i might have a working test version of my distro in a few weeks
08:33 celeron55 i hate glibc's lack of forwards compatibility
08:34 asie celeron55: also, sabotage linux
08:34 asie it's not the best in terms of usefulness, as its package manager is essentially a source-based slackware
08:34 asie but it has most packages a person needs
08:34 asie i use its package definitions heavily as some things (especially GNU things) break
08:34 asie i also contributed back to them (delivering a working ALSA, for instance)
08:35 celeron55 i define that as "not useful"
08:35 asie heh
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08:35 asie that's why i'm working on my own thing
08:36 Krock hi
08:36 asie https://cdn.mediacru.sh/NMC5shye7-np.png <- this is me running arch linux and chrooting into my dev environment
08:36 asie the last things i need to do is tweak runit to satisfy my needs and add in a bootloader package like GRUB2
08:36 asie from there i should be able to run without chrooting
08:36 asie wait no
08:36 asie that's the empty desktop!
08:36 asie https://cdn.mediacru.sh/prHQdWVMofvn.png
08:36 asie that's the right pic
08:36 sfan5 well
08:36 asie lower-right terminal is arch for me doing some comparisons, the other two are dev
08:36 sfan5 your desktop is interesting too
08:39 celeron55 things like that are very not worth it if one's goal is to just get things done on linux instead of having linux as an end goal by itself; also from this perspective doing those things is useless unless they are somehow packaged to an easy to set up format; but then again, those who do that stuff aren't generally interested at all in doing such
08:39 asie celeron55: my goal is to eventually get things done effortlessly
08:39 celeron55 then the rare people that want to do both but are bad at both like poettering get to own the scene
08:39 asie i'm hacking away at it until it becomes friendly, at least from my point of view
08:40 asie https://cdn.mediacru.sh/3z5d2o-NabIj.png
08:40 asie me doing a minimal setup as a test, still lacks base-config and grub
08:40 asie todo: replace openssl with libressl once the latter becomes stabler
08:41 asie there is already a mostly functional libressl port for linux which uses fillins from BSD's libc but it's not yet confirmed functional and neither is libressl itself
08:41 sfan5 <asie> todo: replace openssl with libressl once the latter becomes stabler
08:41 sfan5 ^ yes
08:41 asie this shouldn't take too long though, at this rate
08:41 sfan5 openssl is ..
08:41 sfan5 .. just bad
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08:41 asie anyway, that's the minimal setup
08:41 asie linux-libre is the default kernel but i will add an option to use a regular linux kernel
08:42 celeron55 it's a warm and fuzzy feeling to know that just about everything is running openssl right now
08:42 asie goal at which point i'll know all driver-related stuff works: minetest works without hacks
08:43 asie so yeah, base-config, tweak runit and grub; also profont because i like that font too much
08:43 sfan5 *googles profont*
08:44 sfan5 nice font
08:44 asie yeah
08:44 asie and it's finally libre since January 2014
08:45 celeron55 i'm used to terminus since years now; i'll probably never change to anything else until i end up using a very high DPI display
08:45 celeron55 on which this won't work
08:46 celeron55 or, well, works, but looks too weird
08:46 * Calinou uses Droid Sans Mono
08:47 Calinou in Minetest I use Droid Sans
08:50 Calinou bye
08:50 sfan5 ProFont looks pretty good in Atom: https://cdn.mediacru.sh/Rd_SwkhkRdRq.png
08:50 celeron55 it seems better than terminus at larger sizes
08:51 nman3600 sfan5 you use sublime text!
08:51 sfan5 wat
08:51 sfan5 that is http://atom.io
08:52 nman3600 oh it looks like sublime text
08:52 asie that was intentional
08:53 nman3600 lol
08:53 nman3600 i use sublime text
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08:53 nman3600 http://www.sublimetext.com/
08:54 * nman3600 just finished watching hunger games catching fire on dvd for the 5th time!
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09:02 nman3600 2.0 OF MULTITEST IS OUT :D
09:02 Krock splitsplat
09:03 nman3600 i worked hard on fixing bugs in 2.0 of multitest
09:03 nman3600 m5 are you there?
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10:16 LemonLake Is it reliable to use globalsteps for blocks instead of abms?
10:16 LemonLake nodes*
10:17 VanessaE depends what you're dong
10:17 VanessaE doing*
10:18 VanessaE globalstep is reliable on its own, sure
10:18 LemonLake a filter in factory, so items going in can go different ways
10:18 Krock update time!
10:18 VanessaE but it runs every 1/10th of a second or something regardless of whether there's something to do or not
10:18 LemonLake hmm
10:18 LemonLake think I'll just stick with abms
10:19 PilzAdam LemonLake, the problem is, that you first have to find the nodes in globalstep
10:19 LemonLake yeah
10:19 LemonLake hence why I'll stick with abms
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10:28 m5 Hello everyone!
10:28 LemonLake hi
10:29 m5 Making use of /wallchan :P
10:29 LemonLake whats that
10:29 m5 try it
10:29 m5 Writes to all channels you're in
10:29 LemonLake test
10:29 LemonLake sweggy
10:29 Krock - Unknown command (wallchan)
10:30 LemonLake not in your client den
10:30 m5 also its client only
10:30 m5 try /allchan
10:30 Krock also, not reqired for me - I see all the channels at once when looking at tab bar
10:30 Krock w
10:31 Krock - Unknown command (allchan)
10:32 LemonLake Usage: ALLCHAN <cmd>, sends a command to all channels you're in
10:32 LemonLake Usage: WALLCHAN <message>, writes the message to all channels
10:33 m5 /allchan op m5
10:33 LemonLake just rewatched corpse party
10:33 m5 I wonder if you can use a substitute for the channel name
10:35 Krock m5, you have windows 8.1 with a 3GHz CPU
10:35 Krock 32 bit
10:35 m5 64bit
10:35 Krock hmm
10:35 m5 32bin Hexchat
10:35 m5 Maybe
10:35 Krock but hexchat is running on 32 bits
10:35 LemonLake hexchat...okay
10:35 m5 lol
10:36 m5 /ctcp m5 KROCK
10:36 LemonLake tbh i found hexchat unusable
10:36 LemonLake m5
10:36 LemonLake im drunk
10:36 LemonLake k?
10:36 m5 * Received a CTCP KROCK from LemonLake
10:36 LemonLake stfu
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10:37 m5 I'm going to define responses for these in ZNC...
10:37 LemonLake https://cdn.mediacru.sh/nVfTK085Q6sQ.png y does this always happen to me
10:37 m5 Now try slap
10:38 * sfan5 slaps m5
10:38 LemonLake whoa
10:38 LemonLake vulgar much
10:38 m5 :P
10:38 m5 It works I guess
10:38 m5 It doesn't notify me of version
10:38 m5 Well It shouldn't
10:38 LemonLake try versioning me
10:38 LemonLake i wanna see if it works
10:38 m5 Yeah, time does not work
10:38 m5 Theats client side
10:39 m5 TIME and PING work
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10:41 m5 I wonder if DCC chat still works
10:44 m5 Accepted it
10:44 m5 Timed out
10:44 Krock DCC no work for me
10:44 LemonLake nope
10:44 LemonLake timed out
10:44 m5 Open a port then do it through the port
10:45 LemonLake no thanks
10:45 m5 Set it to only do it through the port
10:45 Krock UPnP
10:45 * PenguinDad never tried to use DCC
10:45 m5 Wut?
10:47 LemonLake https://mediacru.sh/CgJwf7SvTyfJ acceptable formspec?
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10:48 m5 ...
10:48 m5 Not for new players but nice
10:48 LemonLake might need some sort of instruction manual...
10:48 LemonLake basically, the top lists are the overflows for that side, middle is the main overflow and left and right are the filters
10:49 m5 Add labels
10:49 LemonLake not sure if I can fit them without having to move everything
10:49 LemonLake and that's a pain in the ass
10:49 LemonLake i'll make docs somewhere
10:49 Krock lol http://xkcd.com/888/
10:51 m5 I've always hated that little instruction string at the bottom of the inventory
10:51 LemonLake Instruction string?
10:51 m5 Left click all items right 1 item of something
10:52 LemonLake never seen it
10:55 m5 gs_tools
10:55 m5 Actually really useful
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10:56 sfan5 o/ Jordach
10:56 LemonLake yo
10:57 Jordach o/
10:58 * Krock meows at sfan5
10:58 * sfan5 meows at Krock
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10:59 LemonLake m5: I suppose this is a bit better: https://mediacru.sh/c3517cad50d2
10:59 LemonLake second and third are what the block looks like
10:59 m5 Love it
10:59 m5 Now it looks simple for some reason
10:59 LemonLake haha
11:00 LemonLake just with the two squares on the formspec, eh?
11:00 m5 Yep
11:00 LemonLake well now I have to actually make it do something...ugggh
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11:03 Jordach 65 posts remaining
11:03 Jordach to 4k
11:03 LemonLake neat
11:04 m5 Try being useful for one of them
11:04 * sfan5 throws 3840x2160 at Jordach
11:04 m5 Not wasting all 65
11:04 Jordach m5, check the general discussion
11:04 Jordach people probably don't *want* to use google
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11:08 m5 Well I found a duplication bug
11:08 LemonLake Cool
11:09 m5 Tis not
11:09 LemonLake Tis
11:10 LemonLake How exactly can I determine if a node is facing the left side of another node, the right side or the back?
11:11 m5 I have no idea
11:11 m5 COmplex code to determine facedir and relative rotation of the poles around the specified node
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11:11 LemonLake http://pastebin.com/svUZUpT7 I have that for the back
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11:11 LemonLake but I don't know how to do it for left and right
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11:12 LemonLake Maybe some fiddling with the -a.x, -a.y and -a.z values but not sure what to actually put
11:13 nman3600 hi my wrist hurts
11:14 m5 Hello wrist
11:15 nman3600 m5 did you get my query earlier?
11:15 m5 I may have done
11:15 m5 About multinode, yes
11:15 m5 Server is down
11:16 nman3600 and your server isn't on the public list
11:16 m5 I'l talk to OC about that
11:16 m5 also my other server has apparently shut down
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11:17 nman3600_ ugh
11:17 nman3600_ mark i'm on your server though
11:17 m5 you can still join... ok
11:18 nman3600_ with 34 diamond blocks :)
11:18 m5 ...
11:18 nman3600_ i've been mining
11:19 m5 rubbish
11:19 m5 =P
11:19 nman3600_ mark i've decorated my whole garden now
11:20 nman3600 so...
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11:24 m5 nman3600, /msg nickserv ghost nman3600 <pass> to disconnect timed out connections
11:24 LemonLake ah, shadowninja is smart
11:24 LemonLake ShadowNinja, if I have something like this: http://pastebin.com/svUZUpT7
11:24 LemonLake oh
11:24 LemonLake that's no shadowninja
11:24 nman3600 m5 okay
11:24 LemonLake ruude
11:24 LemonLake haax
11:25 LemonLake celeron55: If I have something like this: http://pastebin.com/svUZUpT7 my intention for another node is that when its back is facing the right side of another node, do something
11:25 LemonLake celeron55: On line 3, I think I have to tweak some values to accomplish that. Do you know which ones?
11:30 Jordach LOL
11:31 LemonLake ?
11:31 Jordach ping timeout
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11:32 LemonLake I think c55 just can't connect at all
11:33 LemonLake Jordach? You able to help?
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11:40 LemonLake I suppose I could just hardcode them, but that's a bit painful
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11:57 Jordach LemonLake, i no do formspecs
12:05 Jordach why do pringles taste so fucking goood
12:05 LemonLake i dont even know
12:05 LemonLake what flavour are you eating?
12:06 Jordach original
12:07 nman3600 mmm original flavout
12:07 nman3600 flavour
12:07 LemonLake love those soo much
12:09 m5 nman3600, Edit your article on multitest again
12:10 nman3600 m5 k
12:10 m5 http://marktest.co.uk/wp-conten​t/uploads/2014/06/IMG_0010.jpg
12:10 m5 Y U NO WORK CDN
12:10 LemonLake Did you take that? :o
12:10 m5 Yep
12:10 LemonLake And why are you using a cdn?
12:11 m5 It's faster
12:11 m5 20ms ping but cdn is faster
12:11 m5 also 10GB is not a lot
12:12 LemonLake That's what compression is for.
12:12 m5 I feel bad compressing that
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12:13 LemonLake o.o
12:13 m5 there we go...
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12:13 m5 http://i2.wp.com/marktest.co.uk/wp-c​ontent/uploads/2014/06/IMG_0010.jpg
12:13 celeron552 holy crap my ADSL is shitty now
12:13 m5 yep
12:13 celeron552 now it doesn't even connect anymore
12:13 LemonLake m5: I love how your bio is like "Whether you're into photography, gaming, programming or graphics, Mark Test has the resources you need."
12:13 LemonLake when you can hardly debug a console error :L
12:13 m5 ...
12:14 LemonLake like srsly, what's the deal here, I'm confused
12:14 m5 My bio
12:14 m5 I am the creator of Mark Test, the two things I enjoy most are photography and gaming. I am relatively experienced with video editing with some experience in audio, I am good with Cinema 4D and enjoy making animations.
12:14 m5 nothing about programming
12:14 LemonLake "Whether you're into photography, gaming, programming or graphics, Mark Test has the resources you need."
12:14 m5 I'm not the only one in this blog!
12:14 LemonLake Ah okay.
12:14 LemonLake Makes sense.
12:14 m5 Well, I like to think so anyway
12:15 LemonLake Oh, so you are?
12:15 LemonLake ø.ø
12:15 m5 OldCoder made some posts about Bash and Perl
12:15 m5 There are other authors
12:16 PilzAdam LemonLake, wtf are "Advanced APIs"?
12:16 LemonLake I asked you yesterday what I should call them.
12:16 Jordach >Cinema 4D
12:16 Jordach you suck
12:16 Jordach end of
12:17 LemonLake Nobody was helping so I just called them that.
12:17 LemonLake Just rename them.
12:17 m5 Fuck Blender
12:17 Jordach also, /topic states to advertising
12:17 m5 Too cheap for me
12:17 LemonLake Hey, blender is quite good actually.
12:17 LemonLake Cinema4d is expensive for all it's worth
12:17 Jordach no*
12:17 m5 I guess it has the same principles
12:18 Krock LemonLake, please gimme a feedback about the latest mapgen release :P
12:18 Jordach m5, i'm pushing my quad core to the fucking limit now - http://jordach.deviantart.com/art/Wa​ter-Rendering-Improvement-454732811
12:18 LemonLake Give me a sec, I'm struggling to find a song.
12:18 Jordach and people say to use Cycles over Internals
12:18 Jordach <- disagrees
12:18 PilzAdam LemonLake, calling a bunch of functions "APIs" is wrong
12:18 * m5 renders on 24 cores
12:18 PilzAdam LemonLake, all functions together form one API
12:18 LemonLake PilzAdam, like I implied, please rename them.
12:18 PilzAdam already done
12:18 LemonLake But preferably keep them on that page
12:18 LemonLake thanks.
12:21 LemonLake The caves look a lot like dungeons
12:21 LemonLake I like it!
12:21 Krock LemonLake, mossy cobble around wouldn't be hard to add
12:21 celeron552 https://gist.github.com/cel​eron55/08457aacf814776a9363
12:22 celeron552 i wonder if this makes any sense
12:23 m5 makes sense
12:23 m5 now write the more detailed stuff
12:23 Krock celeron552, publish it on the forums and wait for [del]negative[/del] positive feedbacks
12:23 m5 The actual requirements like preferring tabs over spaces
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12:24 celeron552 code style? the largely accepted style is documented here: http://dev.minetest.net/Code_style_guidelines
12:25 celeron552 we have everything already defined that the gist refers to
12:26 Jordach >do not use spaces to indent
12:26 Jordach >do 04not04 use spaces to indent
12:26 Jordach LOL
12:26 LemonLake noticed that :P
12:27 m5 s/LOL/lol
12:28 LemonLake s/lol/LOL
12:28 celeron552 it's a bit outdated though, and written by hmmmm; but if someone writes code according to that, it's ok
12:28 m5 why no or/||
12:30 celeron552 read again
12:35 Hirato Use STL, avoid Irrlicht containers, and no, Boost will not even be considered, so forget it
12:35 Hirato yeaaaaah
12:36 Hirato what about "and" and "&&"? :P
12:41 sfan5 Hirato: same for that
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12:41 dcorking hi - I am loving my first adventures with lua hacking and minetest
12:41 LemonLake lua 'hacking'...
12:41 * LemonLake kills self
12:41 sfan5 hacking is exactly the right word for that
12:42 dcorking sad - you will be missed
12:42 Hirato lua hacks into lua bits with lua machetes
12:42 LemonLake no i wont
12:43 sfan5 hacking is http://www.urbandictionary.com/defin​e.php?term=hacking&amp;defid=1625834 but _NOT_ http://www.urbandictionary.com/defin​e.php?term=hacking&amp;defid=802005
12:43 LemonLake sfan5 fuck off with your dictionaries
12:43 * sfan5 flips LemonLake
12:43 Hirato define docking
12:43 * Jordach prefers RMS' idea on hacking
12:44 sfan5 Jordach: https://rms.sexy/
12:44 dcorking you beat me to the dictionary post sfan5
12:44 dcorking no-one can read my irc nic
12:45 Hirato you're a rapper whose real name is D-Corking
12:45 dcorking I don't know if SegFault22 is still in the minetest word. Is she/he?
12:45 PilzAdam dcorking, LemonLake, Hirato, it's "Lua", not "lua"
12:45 dcorking you got it Hirato
12:45 LemonLake pilzadam
12:45 m5 lol
12:45 LemonLake learn to accept laziness
12:45 * sfan5 meows at m5
12:45 dcorking sorry PilzAdam I tend to use mostly lower case in chat :(
12:46 Hirato PilzAdam->sperginess++
12:46 * m5 messages MemoServ with ms and mistypes
12:46 * Hirato runs away
12:46 dcorking though tbh, in linux it is lua not Lua :/
12:46 m5 oh god it begins
12:46 dcorking I am way off topic though
12:46 m5 Hexchat fulscreen ftw
12:46 Hirato pffts, in linux it's luajit :M
12:46 m5 kl
12:46 m5 oops
12:47 m5 Why do backspace and enter have to be so close??
12:47 dcorking I was only going to mention that I fixed a bug in SegFault22's mod
12:47 LemonLake m5: learn to keyboard
12:47 m5 l22t
12:47 m5 Okay point taken
12:48 dcorking morestuff mod didn't work for a couple of years - since mesecons nextgen came out - https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=1983
12:48 dcorking so I guess it isn't very popular, but all the same, my version seems to work
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12:50 reactor Hello.
12:50 dcorking so my question is, best way to release this? A post at the end of the original forum thread, or ?
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12:51 dcorking or a new forum thread?
12:51 reactor Why would some areas go dark and refuse to be lighted even if I run //fixlight?
12:51 reactor This is breaking my map!
12:51 dcorking code is at https://github.com/dcorking/morestuff_nextgen  (I renamed it when I forked it - but I could name it back)
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12:56 celeron552 looks lioke SegFault22 has been around lately, so just post it in the thread and see if he wants to update it
12:56 celeron552 like*
12:57 dcorking sounds fine - thanks
12:57 Jordach celeron552, /nick celeron55
12:57 Jordach oh wait
13:04 reactor Seriously, what the hell
13:04 reactor It started when I replaced a big area of slabs with air.
13:07 Jordach reactor, it doesn't update_lighting() when doing operations
13:08 reactor What should I do?
13:09 LemonLake lick it
13:10 celeron552 would it be possible for someone to rework the dev.minetest.net landing page to be clearer, like in two big sections, "Modding" and "Core Development", having some kind of reasonable topic hierarchy below them linking to other pages in the wiki
13:11 celeron552 maybe have those as separate "sub main pages", and have the main page just have a big link to each of them, or something
13:12 celeron552 currently it's just messed up and doesn't reflect the project or community structure or anything at all
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13:15 Jordach sfan5], mew
13:15 sfan5] meow
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13:22 LemonLake celeron552: The groups are editable but I think only xyz can change the actual main page
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13:22 reactor Why do I have to type /teleport twice?
13:23 LemonLake u w0t
13:23 reactor Sometimes ten times to work.
13:23 Krock reactor, cuz you move around before you get teleported
13:24 reactor Also, some players refuse to be teleported.
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13:32 celeron552 LemonLake: i can too
13:33 celeron552 LemonLake: but that new page should be made first as a new page anyway
13:33 celeron552 then copied in place
13:33 celeron552 so that people don't try to use it while it isn't complete
13:33 celeron552 i now put this in the wiki: http://dev.minetest.net/Merging​_core_pull_requests_to_upstream
13:34 celeron552 but i don't really know what to do with this
13:34 celeron552 i'm not confident that people would get to doing stuff because of that
13:35 celeron552 asking comments doesn't really matter because that's just basically the stuff written down that has been done since the beginning of the project
13:36 celeron552 i'm open to anyone doing anything they want with this though
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13:41 LemonLake I'm thinking of making a more modular modding tutorial for the wiki
13:41 LemonLake Infact yeah, why not
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13:48 celeron552 updating the modding tutorial would be great
13:48 LemonLake I'm gonna have it be a multi-page introduction, with more information per subject but still simple to us
13:48 LemonLake e
13:49 celeron552 make sure to have a very short example as introduction though before explaining too much detail
13:49 LemonLake Per-page?
13:50 celeron552 maybe start with a page that quickly runs through a minimal example and then get into one page per subject?
13:50 LemonLake An example, then how to set up, explanation of each item etc?
13:50 LemonLake In the example, perhaps add one tutorial node and one tutorial craftitem with a recipe for both?
13:53 sfan5 ^
13:53 sfan5 that sounds like a good idea
13:53 LemonLake Sounds good, starting work on that now
13:58 celeron552 not directly related to the tutorial, but having a page for each "part" of the API would be good too; just grouping related methods below a subject, like "nodes", "chat", "players"; currently there are those only for different kind of objects, but the API isn't exactly object-oriented so it doesn't cover even half of them
13:58 LemonLake Maybe that can be part of another wiki 'project'
13:58 celeron552 yeah, that's way more boring than making a tutorial, too
13:59 LemonLake hehe
14:06 sfan5 celeron552, LemonLake: this could help: http://sprunge.us/AZfL
14:06 sfan5 I have no clue why it is on my HDD
14:06 sfan5 but it may help
14:06 * sfan5 afk
14:06 LemonLake Believe it or not it kinda does
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14:19 m5 ~up redcrab.suret.net 30401
14:19 ShadowBot m5: redcrab.suret.net port 30401 is up (669ms)
14:23 LemonLake Is this good enough for an example? http://pastebin.com/PuW3Stf2
14:23 LemonLake I mised a bracket in register_craft, lemme fix that
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14:24 LemonLake Fixed: http://pastebin.com/PuW3Stf2
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14:26 Krock http://xkcd.com/391/
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14:35 ShadowNinja LemonLake: That was me, my core's down and I'm not using my reqular client.
14:35 LemonLake um ok
14:35 LemonLake http://pastebin.com/PuW3Stf2 Is that good enough for an example mod?
14:35 m5 LemonLake, Add an ABM
14:35 LemonLake This is the bare basics
14:36 LemonLake An ABM is in intermediate
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14:38 reactor So, is there worldmod support now?
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14:43 * Jordach is working on the water again
14:47 Jordach https://cdn.mediacru.sh/IslCB_EyJszV.png
14:47 ShadowNinja LemonLake: That should switch the direction of the node if the param2 is set.  But It won't preserve retation.
14:47 ShadowNinja rotation*
14:50 LemonLake ShadowNinja: that's a bit overkill for the basic modders
14:50 LemonLake this IS gonna be the first page of the modding intro anyway
14:51 ShadowNinja Ah.
14:51 ShadowNinja Well, I wouldn't start with param2 manipulation.  Start with something like positions.
14:52 LemonLake ø.ø
14:52 LemonLake Since when did param2 manipulation have ANYTHING to do with this?
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14:52 LemonLake http://dev.minetest.net/Intro#Define_a_node
14:52 LemonLake It's practically the same as that anyway
14:53 ShadowNinja LemonLake: You're fetching, double-converting, and comparing the param2 of a node.
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14:53 LemonLake I'm what?
14:53 LemonLake Ohhh, you're gone far back in the logs.
14:53 LemonLake I see.
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14:53 LemonLake No shadowninja, that has nothing to do with anything
14:54 LemonLake You've got yourself confused
14:54 LemonLake Dw, I've solved that ages ago
14:55 ShadowNinja Ah, O.K.
14:55 ShadowNinja ~give LemonLake pastebin.com
14:55 ShadowBot LemonLake: Don't use pastebin.com. Use a sane pastebin like http://bpaste.net, https://dpaste.de, https://gist.github.com, http://sprunge.us, http://ix.io, http://fpaste.org ...
14:56 ShadowNinja LemonLake: That seems fine.
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14:57 LemonLake What's wrong with pastebin.com?
14:58 ShadowNinja <phrik> Ads, Spamfilters, Captcha, Adds whitespace, Slow, Ugly, No comment/fork/annotate, Breaks copy/paste, Blocked for some people, etc. See !pastebin.com
14:58 LemonLake ø.ø
14:59 LemonLake Wanna know something though?
14:59 LemonLake I don't give ten fucks.
15:00 ShadowNinja We could have a bot that automatically re-pastes things in our preffered pastebin.  I think #python does that.
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15:34 raffahacks hi
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16:13 m5 ~py print __name__
16:13 m5 !py print __name__
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16:19 rubenwardy Hi all!
16:19 PenguinDad Hi rubenwardy
16:21 rubenwardy hello.
16:24 Piggybear87 'ello!
16:25 Vazon Hi guys
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16:34 Piggybear87 Hi Vazon. I'm sorry if I take a while to respond, I'm feeding the baby.
16:34 Vazon thats fine :)
16:35 PenguinDad Piggybear87: that's how IRC works ;)
16:35 Piggybear87 I know, but it's still a chat, which is back and forth. Not wait 10 minutes for a reply. Lol.
16:36 rubenwardy Quite a lot of people are not even at the keyboard just now, they just leave it connected so they can check for highlights later.
16:36 rubenwardy I've had people respond to me three days later
16:42 Piggybear87 Mine only goes back 200 lines, so I have to check frequently.
16:46 Piggybear87 Vazon, Is the Landrush server running without crashing yet?
16:47 Piggybear87 Nope...
16:47 Piggybear87 !up minetest.org 30011
16:47 MinetestBot minetest.org:30011 seems to be down
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16:56 Calinou <Calinou> http://openarena.ws/download.php?view.4
16:56 Calinou <Calinou> I was on this page, download count was 466666
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17:02 sfan5 meow
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17:06 OldCoder Piggybear87, Vazon I have not deleted the intweak module yet
17:06 OldCoder sfan5, hi
17:06 OldCoder Also I'd like to be clear about what to do with the snow mod
17:06 OldCoder If there are two releases to be merged, I can attempt this
17:06 OldCoder Link the one to merge
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17:07 Piggybear87 OK sfan5... Shut up... It was the graphics card/ OpenGL version....
17:08 Vazon yes can you Brandon gave the ok to delete it
17:08 Piggybear87 Ok, OldCoder. I waiting patiently... :)
17:08 Vazon sorry im having a busy morning
17:09 Vazon OldCoder the server s special if you remove the currect snow mod it will not run once you add the updated one
17:10 Piggybear87 As much as I hate the snow mod, why would you remove it? I haven't seen an bugs with it.
17:11 Vazon Piggy its conflcting with other mods
17:11 Piggybear87 How so?
17:12 OldCoder Vazon, yes; explain
17:12 OldCoder I must go today but can update the world first
17:12 OldCoder Why can't I merge two releases?
17:13 Vazon OldCoder gave me a debug and it seems to be conflicting  wth another mod thus i was asked to fix it
17:13 OldCoder Hm
17:13 OldCoder Let me take a few minutes and review things
17:13 LemonLake now to see if my in-built sd card reader works on linux
17:13 OldCoder Piggybear87, Vazon you'll want to try the new iteration
17:13 Vazon OldCoder you can try but i dont think it will work
17:13 OldCoder I'm not necessarily going to merge
17:13 LemonLake it does not D:
17:14 OldCoder I'm going to delete intweak and look at other issues
17:14 OldCoder LemonLake, sorry to hear it
17:14 Vazon ok
17:14 OldCoder Piggybear87, Vazon best to hang around
17:14 OldCoder Once I leave I won't be available to fix
17:14 OldCoder Though I *may* be online later from Sacramento
17:14 LemonLake do i seriously have to spend 19 minutes switching to windows to get a god damn picture off of a camera
17:14 LemonLake >.<
17:14 OldCoder LemonLake, No
17:15 Vazon i am
17:15 LemonLake ah
17:15 LemonLake just had to blow on it and put it back in
17:15 LemonLake just like nes cartridges
17:16 OldCoder Simple enough :P
17:16 OldCoder Stopping worlds
17:17 OldCoder Didn't some members wish me to host Moontest and Lord of the Test?
17:17 OldCoder Deleted intweak from Landrush
17:18 Vazon ok
17:19 Amaz OldCoder, I'm just getting the files ready to send to you, (For Lord of the Test), if that is still okay with you?
17:19 OldCoder No rush at all
17:19 OldCoder In fact, I'll be away most of the day
17:19 Amaz Okay.
17:19 OldCoder If you have a beta up in the next hour might be able to start it before I go. But could just as easily be tomorrow or next week.
17:19 Vazon OldCoder I'm putting it in on the ftp as soon as its done zipping, could you upload it as soon as you get time
17:20 Amaz Right.
17:20 OldCoder Vazon, I am patching on this end. What are you doing?
17:20 Calinou OldCoder, did you try Carbone around? :p
17:20 OldCoder What is that?
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17:20 Vazon opps over thinging, im putting my minerealms game update on the ftp server
17:20 Vazon thinking*
17:20 OldCoder Oh; Minerealms
17:20 OldCoder kk
17:21 Amaz I'll see what I can do, but it will most likely be later today that I'm able to send it....
17:21 OldCoder Calinou, I am bringing your world back. I know you're not interested but a tip or two will be helpful.
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17:21 OldCoder Vazon, indicate when uploaded
17:22 Vazon ok
17:22 LemonLake So, I mounted the SD card...
17:22 LemonLake and the system hanged
17:22 LemonLake then spent a while trying to find the SysRQ key on this windows keyboard, apparently it's the printscreen key
17:22 OldCoder Ah
17:23 LemonLake hmm
17:23 OldCoder Calinou, would you be willing to take a quick look at your world now and comment?
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17:23 OldCoder Piggybear87, most of the crashes in Landrush seem to be in a function ipairs
17:23 OldCoder From intweak
17:23 OldCoder I will restart shortly. What other changes do you request?
17:24 OldCoder Vazon, are you about ready?
17:24 LemonLake I'm surprised you guys didn't take part in Reset the Net
17:24 LemonLake (the website)
17:26 Vazon yes its up
17:27 Calinou OldCoder, which tips do you need?
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17:28 LemonLake SD card, take two
17:29 LemonLake holy shit
17:29 Calinou <LemonLake> I'm surprised you guys didn't take part in Reset the Net
17:29 LemonLake i think there are two mini-wasps having sex on my windowsill
17:29 Calinou days are only 24 hours ;)
17:29 Calinou (what is it about exactly? do you mean contributing to it?)
17:30 LemonLake ah nope
17:30 LemonLake they're just fighting the hell out of each other
17:32 OldCoder Calinou, I will add the world this weekend and speak to you again. No advice may be needed. It would mostly be basic usability such as that trampoline issue.
17:32 Calinou just put a ladder ;)
17:33 Calinou maybe put Carbone instead of minetest_game on that world
17:33 Calinou but keep in mind Carbone works best when updated, it changes often
17:33 LemonLake turns out it was a spider eating a baby wasp
17:33 LemonLake the circle of life
17:34 celeron55 <LemonLake> I'm surprised you guys didn't take part in Reset the Net
17:34 celeron55 i hadn't even heard of that
17:34 asl hi OldCoder, how is landrush doing?  it seem to crash whenever i join,  need me to join again?
17:35 Vazon Calinou the currect carbone's guis are all broken
17:35 celeron55 altough, taking part in that would have been somewhat hypocritical because neither minetest or minetest.net do any encryption 8)
17:35 celeron55 (forum.minetest.net does)
17:38 LemonLake Fun experiment: Test two cameras. These were taken at roughly the same time albeit a different angle. Left one is a phone camera, right one is a handheld fujifilm camera: https://cdn.mediacru.sh/hOmuYHaLHye2.png
17:39 OldCoder asl, I am patching it right now
17:39 OldCoder Up again after I fix some other worlds
17:39 asl tell me when you want me to join
17:41 Piggybear87 That's a good camera phone.
17:43 LemonLake Strangely, yes
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17:45 asl maybe you didn't focus it, it does have higher resolution too
17:47 Calinou Vazon, how?
17:47 Calinou be sure to remove and replace chests
17:47 Calinou (sadly this is required)
17:48 sfan5 Piggybear87: what did I tell you?
17:49 Piggybear87 HEY! I said sht up. Lol.
17:49 Piggybear87 shut*
17:51 LemonLake asl,  both were focused but I made them in a lower resolution, still both were bigger than my main monitor
17:52 LemonLake the fujifilm has very bad focused
17:52 asl try manual focus?
17:53 OldCoder Vazon, I am going to restart now. Is your update ready?
17:53 LemonLake asl, I tried everything
17:54 asl maybe the len is blurring it, idk
17:54 LemonLake it just has a very bad focus range
17:56 * OldCoder assumes Vazon is not ready
18:02 LemonLake TIL what mode 7 ACTUALLY does
18:04 Vazon yes its on the ftp client sorry im busy
18:11 Piggybear87 !up minetest.org 30011
18:11 MinetestBot minetest.org:30011 is up (1615ms)
18:11 Piggybear87 Wow, nice lag... Lol.
18:12 PenguinDad ~up minetest.org 30011
18:12 ShadowBot PenguinDad: minetest.org port 30011 is down
18:12 PenguinDad lol
18:13 Calinou Vazon, what's wrong with the GUI
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18:16 Vazon its just shows random colors becuase there is not gui for them or they are named wrong
18:20 Piggybear87 OldCoder, What's wrong with the pipeworks tubes? The don't have their correct name. The all just say "pneumatic tube segment (legacy)"
18:22 OldCoder Piggybear87, I gave you the _game. You tell me.
18:22 OldCoder Feel free to provide a patch
18:23 OldCoder Restarting with LuaJit shortly
18:23 OldCoder Who knows how to build with LuaJit?
18:24 Calinou install LuaJIT then compile, OldCoder
18:24 OldCoder I know that
18:24 Calinou it's used unless you tell CMake not to
18:24 Piggybear87 I never got it. I can't code worth a damn, so I wouldn't have been any help.
18:24 OldCoder kk
18:24 OldCoder markv said I needed an enable luajit of some type
18:25 sfan5 you don't
18:25 OldCoder It says USE_LUAJIT=0
18:25 sfan5 if that var were to get used it would disable luajit
18:25 OldCoder It is appearing
18:25 OldCoder I did not set it
18:25 OldCoder Hang on; trying again
18:26 Calinou DISABLE_LUAJIT=1 disables it
18:26 OldCoder kk
18:26 OldCoder Wait
18:26 sfan5 damn you
18:26 sfan5 Calinou: y u ninja me?
18:27 OldCoder Ah
18:27 OldCoder Is there any way to specify the LuaJit prefix?
18:27 * Calinou puts sfan5 on a boats:boat
18:27 OldCoder I need to specify the prefix as I need to keep LuaJit in /opt/luajit
18:27 sfan5 OldCoder: LUA_LIBRARY & LUA_INCLUDE_DIR
18:27 OldCoder But lua isn't there; just luajit
18:28 OldCoder There is no separate set of variables for luajit?
18:28 sfan5 no,no
18:28 * OldCoder waits
18:28 sfan5 luajit is a replacement for the lua library
18:28 OldCoder Hm
18:29 sfan5 hence the lua_ prefix
18:29 OldCoder Very well; proceeding
18:30 OldCoder Should LUA_LIBRARY be the .a or the directory containing it?
18:31 OldCoder sfan5, Calinou ^
18:31 LemonLake it should die
18:31 sfan5 OldCoder: the .a
18:31 OldCoder kkty
18:33 OldCoder Hm
18:33 OldCoder Not finding curl; that's odd
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18:36 OldCoder Does MT need libcurl3 or libcurl4 ?
18:36 sfan5 libcurl4 should work
18:36 OldCoder Debian says must choose gnutls or openssl libcurl4
18:36 OldCoder Which would be used?
18:37 sfan5 use on of them, it doesn't matter
18:37 sfan5 one*
18:37 OldCoder It probably does matter but O.K. thanks
18:37 * OldCoder is trying to make a good server
18:37 sfan5 it really does not matter
18:37 OldCoder Not for MT; for other purposes. But thanks.
18:38 sfan5 minetestserver does not even need TLS connections
18:38 OldCoder Yes; see above. gnutls and openssl are competitors.
18:38 Vazon OldCoder is there a reason the my server is still down?
18:38 OldCoder See above
18:38 * OldCoder is hard at work making good server fast
18:39 Vazon o ok
18:39 OldCoder Vazon, if you don't want LuaJit or Curl then OldCoder can be lazy :P
18:39 sfan5 OldCoder: gnuts is probably better in that case
18:39 sfan5 gnutls*
18:39 OldCoder gnuts heh
18:39 OldCoder Chose that one
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18:40 OldCoder sfan5, any changes in builtin past month that matter?
18:40 Vazon thats up to you, OldCoder the server is already fast and reliable.
18:40 sfan5 not really
18:40 OldCoder I will update server but not update game
18:40 OldCoder kkty again
18:40 OldCoder Hm
18:41 OldCoder Needs git LuaGit I gather
18:41 Vazon all the server needs now is to go public for players to use, so i wait patiently till that day.
18:42 OldCoder Ah; odd. sfan5 I set the Lua variables and it found LuaJit but says LuaJIT versions till 2.0.0beta7 known to be broken, update to at least beta8
18:42 OldCoder I am using 2.0.3
18:42 OldCoder ?
18:42 sfan5 o.O
18:43 OldCoder Performing Test VALID_LUAJIT_VERSION - Failed
18:43 OldCoder Searching for the cmake module now
18:43 sfan5 OldCoder: does LUA_LIBRARY point to a directory that contains luajit.h?
18:43 sfan5 LUA_INCLUDE_DIR*
18:43 OldCoder Yes and it found the file
18:44 OldCoder It is the "broken version" test that fails
18:44 OldCoder Reviewing the cmake code now
18:44 sfan5 I know, but it is possible that the test fail because of something else
18:44 OldCoder Ha
18:44 OldCoder I found the reason
18:44 OldCoder Um. No; I didn't D:
18:44 sfan5 well
18:44 sfan5 just comment it out
18:44 sfan5 that'll suffice
18:44 OldCoder Working on this for now; thanks
18:46 OldCoder Got it
18:46 OldCoder Compiling
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18:49 OldCoder Piggybear87, I am thinking of dropping Landrush players who have not been on for more than 2 months
18:49 OldCoder Would this be unreasonable?
18:50 OldCoder It will speed up startup
18:50 Piggybear87 Well, I would say a little more since it's been down for a bit. Say 3 months or so.
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18:51 * Piggybear87 thinks ShadowNinja needs to auto identify... Lol.
18:51 PenguinDad OldCoder: you could also merge this https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/1346 by hand
18:51 OldCoder PenguinDad, what is it?
18:52 OldCoder I am running late to travel to S.F.; explain the patch. Can you provide it in diff form?
18:52 PenguinDad https://github.com/minetes​t/minetest/pull/1346.patch
18:52 Piggybear87 It only loads active players.
18:52 PenguinDad ^ OldCoder
18:53 OldCoder Ah; thanks. But the problem is at the CLI level
18:53 OldCoder I have supplemental scripts
18:53 OldCoder To fix up after crashes
18:53 OldCoder Need to delete old players
18:53 OldCoder
18:53 OldCoder he has 13000 O_o
18:54 Calinou OldCoder, drop players that are > 3 months
18:54 Calinou drop them after 1 week if they don't have any items and are close to spawn
18:54 Calinou (well, drop everyone without interact)
18:54 OldCoder He has none that old. Some type of copy I think. The cutoff is 2 months for now. Thanks.
18:54 OldCoder And excellent idea
18:54 OldCoder regarding interact
18:54 OldCoder Doing that
18:55 Piggybear87 Idea. Install no_guests, and delete all guest<numbers>.
18:55 Calinou add warning in MOTD: “Players without interact may have their position reset.”
18:55 OldCoder Calinou, Piggybear87 thank you
18:55 Calinou Piggybear87, yeah, all servers should have that
18:55 OldCoder What is no_guests?
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18:55 Calinou it's default in Carbone, where *guest*, *admin*, 1 letter names and all-numeric usernames are disallowed
18:56 OldCoder Carbone? And how do I turn it on
18:56 Piggybear87 It doesn't allow guest<number> to join or <longstringofnumbers> or name<longstingofnumbers>
18:56 OldCoder Good
18:56 Vazon OldCoder its already on
18:56 OldCoder Hm?
18:56 Calinou Carbone is the game I'm developing
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18:56 OldCoder Vadtec, Piggybear87, Calinou ^ reconcile
18:56 Vazon o ok
18:56 Calinou https://gitorious.org/calinou/carbone/sourc​e/742f34d45ab9da4344b2dcbca06a6d32d4aa6d0d:
18:56 OldCoder I wish to host
18:56 Calinou most mods are usable individually
18:56 OldCoder Indicate when ready
18:56 PenguinDad OldCoder: install this mod if you don't use Carbone https://github.com/VanessaE/forbidden_usernames
18:56 Calinou you could git clone the repository (or download the .tar.gz), then just get no_bad_names
18:56 OldCoder Proceeding now
18:57 LemonLake omfg
18:57 Calinou it works in other games too
18:57 OldCoder ?
18:57 Calinou like most mods included in Carbone
18:57 LemonLake for the past 5 minutes my screen was spammed with notifications
18:57 OldCoder This is all quite useful. Appreciate the help.
18:57 Calinou PenguinDad, mine is very similar
18:57 LemonLake that wouldn't disappear
18:57 Calinou but it doesn't judge gibberish (lighter) and doesn't prevent high amounts of numbers (many French players potentially have that)
18:58 PenguinDad but yours needs more steps to install
18:58 Calinou yeah
19:03 OldCoder Hmm there are 1000s in the auth file that have no player file
19:03 OldCoder I can drop all of those
19:04 Calinou yeah
19:04 Calinou clean them often, because it's what slows down servers
19:04 Calinou sadly, it may be hard to automate
19:04 Calinou (using Shell scripts)
19:04 OldCoder Not for me :-)
19:04 OldCoder Perl
19:09 sfan5 <Calinou> but it doesn't judge gibberish (lighter)
19:09 sfan5 why not?
19:09 OldCoder Hm. I am getting this now:
19:09 OldCoder 12:08:55: ERROR[main]: Failed to load and run script from
19:09 OldCoder 12:08:55: ERROR[main]: /opt/minetest049/share/minetest/builtin/init.lua:
19:09 OldCoder 12:08:55: ERROR[main]: cannot open /opt/minetest049/share/minetest/builtin/init.lua: No such file or directory
19:10 OldCoder LuaJit issue?
19:10 OldCoder The builtin folder doesn't have an init.lua
19:11 OldCoder Looks like they *did* redo the builtin fodler
19:11 OldCoder * folder
19:12 Calinou sfan5, less code :P
19:12 Calinou I don't think it's useful
19:12 Calinou there may be false positives
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19:25 OldCoder Vazon, Piggybear87, others: Landrush and Minereals are restarted
19:25 OldCoder * Minerealms
19:25 Vazon ok
19:25 OldCoder Should have LuaJit now and I'll get curl working soon
19:25 OldCoder Plus compiled server with -O3 indicate if bad things happen :-)
19:27 Vazon OldCoder did you run the script to delete the chunks below -1500 yet?
19:27 OldCoder No time yet
19:27 OldCoder Added LuaJit
19:27 OldCoder Built in Curl
19:27 OldCoder Removed mod that was crashing Landrush
19:27 OldCoder Removed obsolete players
19:27 OldCoder Kind of busy Vazon :-)
19:27 Vazon lol ok, an when you get a chance plz update the game
19:28 OldCoder I *asked* you if it was ready
19:28 OldCoder Is it?
19:28 OldCoder Vazon, I am out of time for the day
19:28 Vazon yes i said it was like 3 times now "3
19:28 OldCoder I did not see an answer
19:28 OldCoder You did not respond when I asked
19:28 OldCoder I will check back in a few minutes; preparing to leave
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19:28 Piggybear87 OK.
19:29 Vazon <OldCoder> Vazon, I am going to restart now. Is your update ready?
19:29 Vazon <LemonLake> asl, I tried everything
19:29 Vazon <asl> maybe the len is blurring it, idk
19:29 Vazon <LemonLake> it just has a very bad focus range
19:29 Vazon * Hirato has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds)
19:29 Vazon was kicked by ShadowBot: Paste flood detected. Use a pastebin like pastebin.ubuntu.com or gist.github.com.
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19:29 Vazon should have seen that one comeing -.-
19:31 Vazon OldCoder: http://pastebin.com/MuFjyJWK
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19:33 Piggybear87 Is there any way to speed up getting to Minetest? I'm tire of having to go to Terminal and typing all of that in.
19:33 Piggybear87 tired*
19:34 STHGOM shotrcut
19:34 STHGOM shortcut
19:35 Jordach STHGOM, not windows
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19:35 STHGOM umm...
19:35 STHGOM menu
19:35 STHGOM games
19:35 Jordach self compiled
19:35 Piggybear87 ^
19:35 STHGOM umm...
19:35 STHGOM good question :D
19:36 Amaz Open folder it is in, double click the binary?
19:36 STHGOM up key in terminal
19:36 Piggybear87 Instead of typing cd min<tab> <enter> cd bin <enter> ./minetest<enter> I can just put /home/piggybear87/minetest-m​inetest-f70e055/bin/minetest
19:37 Piggybear87 and it launches, but I hate typing. Lol.
19:37 STHGOM up key for history
19:37 PenguinDad Piggybear87: you could probably use ~/minetest-minetest-f70e055/bin/minetest too
19:37 Piggybear87 I know that, but what about after a reboot?
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19:38 Amaz Piggybear87: Doesn't the history preserve?
19:38 Piggybear87 It might. I don't know. Lol.
19:38 Amaz It does for me.
19:38 STHGOM are there no shortcuts? can you have a file that runs a command?
19:39 Piggybear87 That's what I was thinking STHGOM, Like a .txt that starts Terminal and runs "/home/piggybear87/minetest-m​inetest-f70e055/bin/minetest"
19:40 Piggybear87 Also, Amaz, I use the terminal a lot, so up isn't a good choice for me.
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19:42 Jordach TIL Cycles makes my models look better
19:44 Piggybear87 ah HA! alias mt='/home/piggybear87/minetest-​minetest-f70e055/bin/minetest' Now I just type mt<enter> and it launches. :) Laziness ftw!
19:45 STHGOM :D
19:45 Piggybear87 Lol 1 minute of googling and I found it. Why did I ask? Lol.
19:45 Piggybear87 ...Because I'm too laze to google...
19:46 STHGOM laziness ftw
19:47 OldCoder Vazon, no time
19:47 OldCoder what is it
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19:49 Vazon t?
19:50 OldCoder what is the paste
19:50 Vazon its showoing you i did respond
19:52 OldCoder Vazon, I waited and did not see a response. You may have responded later. There is no problem. I am simply explaining.
19:52 OldCoder That was a few minutes later
19:52 OldCoder Correct?
19:53 OldCoder It's best to highlight unless a response is immediate
19:53 Vazon yes
19:53 OldCoder I couldn't just sit there for a few minutes
19:53 OldCoder Sort of busy
19:53 OldCoder When there are delays, state my name
19:53 OldCoder That I may see the mention
19:53 Vazon sorry, i responded as soon as i saw it
19:53 OldCoder I know
19:53 OldCoder Not a problem; explaining that I had no way of knowing you'd responded
19:54 Vazon ya
19:54 OldCoder I g2g now. Make a note of other server issues to deal with
19:54 OldCoder o/
19:54 Vazon bye
19:54 Vazon and weill do
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20:12 TenPlus1 Hi folks...
20:12 TenPlus1 VanessaE, you there ?
20:17 TenPlus1 Is anyone running a server that performs smooth with minimal lag and many users ??
20:22 CraigyDavi TenPlus1, If you consider 2 seconds lag with 15 users minimal lag, then yes
20:24 TenPlus1 hi Craigy, may I have a copy of your minetest.conf file please
20:25 TenPlus1 that's if you changed it for the server
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20:25 lemonlake heyho
20:25 TenPlus1 hi lemonlake
20:26 CraigyDavi TenPlus1, https://gist.github.com/Crai​gyDavi/944c2ca106f58e06262a
20:27 CraigyDavi The performance settings really help with reducing lag
20:27 TenPlus1 thanks dude...  I've already applied so many settings and it helps a lot, but always looking for better :)
20:28 CraigyDavi No problem
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20:29 TenPlus1 if you get a chance, could you join Xanadu server and lemmie know if lag affects you any
20:29 CraigyDavi Also remember to delete player files which are not in use, it makes a big difference too.
20:29 CraigyDavi Yep I can do that
20:29 lemonlake so I'm getting gimp on windows for the fact that it has brush smoothing...photoshop seems to have removed this feature and flash cc is just crap
20:30 lemonlake and i ditched linux because skype was not working whatsoever on it and i was missing important contact
20:30 TenPlus1 which ubuntu did you install lemonlake ??
20:30 lemonlake i think linux will be more deving only from now on
20:30 sfan5 >skype
20:30 sfan5 pls
20:30 lemonlake mint
20:30 TenPlus1 google talk plugin works amazingly well in Chromium browser...
20:30 lemonlake sfan5, the reason i use skype is because all of my contacts use it because they use phones.
20:30 lemonlake google talk is gay and shite because google
20:30 lemonlake google is shit
20:31 lemonlake never trust google
20:31 PenguinDad lemonlake: never trust MS
20:31 TenPlus1 lolol... I say the same about skype... nsa has admitted to having a backdoor
20:31 PenguinDad Skype == MS
20:31 lemonlake i dont.
20:31 lemonlake i'm aware PenguinDad
20:31 lemonlake anyway, im gonna bail before you twats start bitching
20:31 lemonlake out
20:31 TenPlus1 lolol
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20:31 TenPlus1 each to their own... whatever works
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20:33 nman3600 hi FUCK MY WRIST
20:34 nman3600 i'm afraid multitest is dying off :(
20:38 Piggybear87 Vazon, signal vendor? Why?
20:38 Vazon what?
20:38 Vazon hold on, im coming on to landrush
20:38 TenPlus1 laters folks
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21:16 nman3600 hi
21:17 nman3600 i'm on #multitest if you have suggestions for the mod
21:17 nman3600 multitest is already dying and i updated it today :(
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21:20 nman3600 night all!!
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21:21 Megaf heh, skylands is way too much load for my raspberry pi
21:21 Megaf !up minetest.megaf.info 30001
21:21 MinetestBot minetest.megaf.info:30001 is up (2674ms)
21:49 asl OldCoder: the default privs on landrush is still wrong
21:52 Vazon asl ok i will past that on, hes away
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22:24 kaeza greetings
22:44 kaeza Megaf, is that you on Hiddon Test?
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22:58 Megaf Hiddon?
22:58 Megaf kaeza; Im on JUST TEST or something like that
22:59 kaeza [19:30:11] <Megaf@HTS> Nate can I build a publi mall?
22:59 Megaf lol
22:59 Megaf That's not me kaeza
23:00 kaeza figured :)
23:00 Megaf I should copyright my name
23:00 kaeza heh
23:01 kaeza minetest has no centralized login system, but we try to "protect" the names of well-known members
23:02 kaeza guess you have a fan :)
23:02 Megaf Yep, you should ask him to change his name
23:02 Megaf kaeza; whats the server address?
23:03 kaeza should be in the public list
23:04 kaeza ...or not :)
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23:10 LemonLake No The_Beast? Shame
23:11 LemonLake Made a new wallpaper for him :( http://lemoncreativity.deviantart.c​om/art/Seiko-Corpse-Party-459265808
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