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00:00 john_minetest !title
00:00 PilzAdam this is hilarious
00:00 PilzAdam [00:52:34] <-- MinetestBot (~MinetestB@5.231.56.127) has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
00:03 PilzAdam apparently it's "good" in Zelda to go into the menu
00:05 john_minetest PilzAdam: Wow, it looks interesting
00:06 PilzAdam watch the whole video
00:16 john_minetest Lol, tetris like a boss :D
00:20 PilzAdam there are episode 2 and 3 on the channel
00:23 john_minetest lol. zelda
00:24 ShadowNinja ~title
00:24 ShadowBot ShadowNinja: Quick Move · Issue #1311 · minetest/minetest · GitHub
00:25 ShadowNinja Hmmm, I'll have to add a --channel to that.
00:27 ShadowNinja ~title
00:27 ShadowBot Quick Move · Issue #1311 · minetest/minetest · GitHub
00:27 ShadowNinja ?
00:28 PilzAdam john_minetest, in episode 3 there is the "yolo principle"
00:29 ShadowNinja ~echo <url last> <url last <echo $channel>>
00:29 ShadowBot https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/1311 https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/1311
00:30 ShadowNinja Odd.
00:31 ShadowNinja http://youtu.be/xOCurBYI_gY
00:31 ShadowNinja ~title
00:31 ShadowBot Computer program that learns to play classic NES games - YouTube
00:32 * ShadowNinja shrugs
00:32 ShadowNinja Oh!
00:33 PilzAdam john_minetest, it has 9 hours of pause menu and about 2 minutes of playing mega man 2
00:39 john_minetest Lol, that cold war game.
00:40 john_minetest "I'll just stand here and spin with my knife. If russians are going to walk into it, it is their fault."
00:40 john_minetest :D
00:40 VanessaE ShadowNinja: *poke*
00:41 ShadowNinja VanessaE: Hmmm?
00:42 ShadowNinja Ah.
00:42 VanessaE -dev
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01:34 Vazon mhmm where can one make the default ice texture semi-transparent?
01:45 WindHero GIMP xD
01:45 WindHero @Vazon
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02:02 WindHero hey Megaf
02:03 Megaf Hi WindHero
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02:44 WindHero how many people here know the /ghost command?
02:45 Megaf IRC command or Minetest command?
02:45 WindHero IRC
02:45 Megaf I don't
02:45 Megaf [23:45:16] * GHOST: Unknown command
02:45 WindHero it's really useful for when you get DC'd
02:45 WindHero it's a nickserv command
02:45 Megaf what does it do?
02:46 WindHero ./ns ghost <original u/n> <password>
02:46 WindHero it kicks your previous name so you can grab it back
02:46 Megaf ah
02:46 WindHero I'll demonstrate
02:46 Megaf I know that and use it quite often
02:46 Megaf you said /ghost command
02:46 Megaf not the nickserv's ghos command
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02:47 WindHero oh, my bad
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02:48 WindHero yup
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03:12 OldCoder VanessaE, Hey
03:14 VanessaE hey
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04:31 blaise Megaf: some of us don't have an alias set to msg nickserv... which is all /ns does
04:32 blaise XD
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05:30 whiskers75 sfan5: meow?
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06:41 * sfan5 meows at whiskers75
06:41 whiskers75 sfan5: the ddos is over
06:41 whiskers75 sfan5: get back on the pie
06:43 VanessaE morning sfan5
06:43 sfan5 hi everyone
06:54 VanessaE night all.
06:54 whiskers75 VanessaE: me and sfan5 have an irc network
06:54 whiskers75 built on pies!
06:54 VanessaE I'm off.
06:54 sfan5 lol
06:54 * whiskers75 waves sadly
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07:41 Krock hai
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08:14 markveidemanis Hello
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08:26 Krock hi
08:36 Mikerhinos blue sky, bright sun, birds peeping...a nice sunday is starting :)
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08:38 reactor Turns out "character conversion failed" appears even with gettext.
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08:56 reactor ЗД?АВСТВУNTE
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09:33 reactor OldCoder: how's it going?
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10:01 crazyR is there a way to remove the green background from a formspec textbox?
10:10 markveidemanis Add a white one
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10:18 crazyR what i mean is, i want to make it transparent so you wound realise it was there. i could then add a backgound image with a border, lol
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10:32 Jordach sfan5, where's MinetestBot
10:32 sfan5 uh..
10:33 Krock omg
10:33 Krock MTbot is gone
10:35 Jordach [23:52:37] <-- MinetestBot (~MinetestB@5.231.56.127) has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
10:35 Jordach she decided to go to sleep :P
10:36 PenguinDad !help her
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10:38 Krock Hi MinetestBot!
10:38 Krock Hi MinetestBot
10:38 MinetestBot Hey Krock!
10:39 * Jordach meows at MinetestBot
10:40 PenguinDad even with insomnia you need sleep ;)
11:07 sfan5 <3 MinetestBot
11:07 MinetestBot <3 sfan5
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11:40 blaise PenguinDad: my son is 13 days old and I've not slept sence he was born, I feel like I'm dieing..
11:41 sfan5 blaise: I just read days as years
11:41 * blaise freaks out
11:45 * PenguinDad wonders if ShadowBot is older than MinetestBot
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12:12 john_minetest Hello everypony!
12:12 PenguinDad Hi john_minetest
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12:16 jin_xi argh
12:26 Krock sfan5, is this error message helpful? https://forum.minetest.net/vi​ewtopic.php?p=141616#p141616
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12:38 nman3600 hi
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12:43 john_minetest Hey PilzAdam
12:43 PilzAdam Hello everyone!
12:43 nore hi
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12:44 Krock hi
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12:47 nman3600 hi
12:48 kaeza mornings
12:48 nman3600 it's afternoon for me lol
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12:56 nman3600 Does anyone have ideas for an auction house
12:56 nman3600 i need ideas for it
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13:04 RealBadAngel http://i.imgur.com/wSlpLo2.png
13:04 reactor щ?
13:04 nman3600 i don't get it whats supposed to be in that picture
13:05 reactor Me neither.
13:05 RealBadAngel how do you like it? those are item entities and their size depends on count/stack_max
13:05 nman3600 wow that's cool
13:05 reactor Ah. This must be nice.
13:05 nman3600 will that be in next update?
13:05 RealBadAngel so full stack of cobble is bigger than single cobble
13:05 nman3600 that's really smart nice idea
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13:05 reactor Yeah.
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13:06 reactor Is it going to be in soon?
13:06 RealBadAngel i think its gonna be released as a mod
13:06 reactor Speaking of dropped items.
13:06 nman3600 So it will be like blockmens minetest plus (i think it was blockmen how made it)
13:07 reactor It would be nice to have them fall slightly different trajectory each.
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13:07 reactor Because otherwise if you drop many things they end up in the same place.
13:08 nman3600 yeah i find that annoying when it does taht
13:08 nman3600 *that
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13:08 reactor Oh, also, the "drop" key drops the whole stack.
13:08 reactor Which is not convenient most of the time.
13:09 nman3600 maybe shift+(drop key) should drop the whole stack and drop key drops one
13:09 RealBadAngel rather opposite
13:09 nman3600 yeah maybe
13:09 RealBadAngel hold shift to drop single one
13:09 RealBadAngel thats a good idea
13:09 nman3600 thanks
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13:21 kaeza reactor, try this: https://gist.github.com/kaeza/73c680e11cd8b312280c
13:22 reactor o/ kaeza
13:22 reactor should it be put in the server or in the client?
13:22 kaeza (put it in a mod or simply replace builtin/item.lua)
13:22 kaeza server
13:22 reactor aha, thank you
13:23 reactor When should I report back?
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13:24 kaeza just test around and see if you can break it :)
13:24 reactor Okay, I will tell you if I have issues with it.
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13:27 Jordach dafuq does that do kaeza
13:27 kaeza Jordach, hold sneak to drop one
13:27 Jordach awesome
13:30 nman3600 oh hi Jordach didn't realize you were here
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13:35 crazyR is it possible to move a formspec into the top right corner. instead of in the moddile of the screen? i know it can be done with the hud
13:35 crazyR *middle
13:35 nman3600 does this look like a good texture for wooden shears http://imgur.com/oDqFSje
13:38 nman3600 well??
13:40 CraigyDavi That looks fine, nman3600
13:40 nman3600 thanks next is stone shears
13:40 nman3600 i;m updating my shears mod
13:43 nman3600 should i make gold mese and diamond shears? i don't think i should
13:46 CraigyDavi nman3600, Depends whether you want higher ones which deal more damage faster
13:47 nman3600 i might add gold and mese
13:48 nman3600 nah i think wood stone and steel is enough
13:53 nman3600 should wooden shears be crafter like this
13:53 nman3600 {"default:tree", "", "default:tree"}, {"", "default:wood", ""}, {"default:stick", "", "default:stick"}
13:53 nman3600 fail
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13:53 Krock *group:
13:53 w_laenger hi
13:53 Krock hey
13:53 nman3600 hi
13:54 w_laenger I've got a problem with minetest
13:54 nman3600 so wooden shears being crafted like steel one but replace the steel with tree trunks
13:54 Krock what a supprise
13:54 nman3600 w_laenger whats the problem
13:55 w_laenger the hud is invisible
13:55 nman3600 try f1
13:55 w_laenger didn't help
13:56 nman3600 then i would suggest reporting it
13:56 nman3600 (need link): https://forum.minetest.net/viewforum.php?f=6
13:56 w_laenger yesterday the hearts were invisible
13:57 nman3600 Or kindly ask a moderator or admin on this IRC page
13:57 w_laenger https://cdn.mediacru.sh/vW6LvS_c8Ko0.png
13:58 w_laenger and today I got another bug
13:58 jin_xi hmm, your cross hair is way off center
13:58 nman3600 w_laenger are you on the newest build or a newer version?
13:58 w_laenger yes, I cut the image
13:59 w_laenger newest unstable
13:59 w_laenger and I enabled fxaa with nvidia-settings
13:59 RealBadAngel http://youtu.be/OivpaSPY5v8
14:00 nman3600 very cool RealBadAngel can't wait for it to be released :)
14:00 w_laenger I got an error at util/pointer.h 279
14:01 nman3600 maybe report it
14:02 w_laenger waypoints?
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14:04 nman3600 what should the max uses on stone shears be
14:04 nman3600 on wood shears i've made it 40
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14:04 nman3600 on steel shears it is 80
14:04 nman3600 so maybe 60 idk
14:05 w_laenger disabling fxaa didn't help
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14:06 nman3600 suggestions?
14:06 w_laenger ok, it's a bug of minetestserver
14:07 w_laenger I used a local server
14:07 PenguinDad w_laenger: what's the error in pointer.h ?
14:07 w_laenger and after restarting the hud is shown again
14:07 w_laenger util/pointer.h 279
14:08 w_laenger thunar spammed my terminal so I can't middle mouse click
14:08 nman3600 should i make the max uses on stone shears 60?
14:09 w_laenger void SharedBuffer<T>::drop()
14:09 w_laenger Assertion '(*refcount) > 0' failed.
14:13 w_laenger how can I find out the maximum amount of nodes which can digged by a tool?
14:13 w_laenger can be*
14:14 nman3600 what do you mean?
14:14 Krock w_laenger, some nodes damage more than other
14:17 w_laenger ok..
14:18 w_laenger please add reflections to minetest
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14:25 Krock BlockMen! hello. I need some dev-help
14:25 BlockMen Hi Krock
14:25 BlockMen what is it?
14:25 Krock Do the settings "congestion_control_max_rate" and "max_packets_per_iteration" control each other?
14:26 Krock or is that sometihng diffrent
14:26 BlockMen umm...i guess you caught the wrong dev for that :\
14:26 Krock agh, any idea who would be good at this part?
14:26 BlockMen sapier i guess
14:27 PenguinDad Krock: you might ask sapier
14:27 Krock okay thanks. I'll ask him
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14:32 Krock let's hope he's online in the forum the next days
14:32 PenguinDad Krock: he's in #minetest-dev
14:33 * Krock headdesks
14:33 Krock thx PenguinDad
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14:44 Krock Jim dies whenever I reload the page..
14:44 Krock wait no.. xy tells thatn Jim is dead
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14:48 PenguinDad poor Jim
14:52 Krock "Er it tot, Jim", means someone else is dead but I don't remember his name
14:54 crazyR is it posible to position a formspec on the screen, for example so that it wouldbe in the top right corner?
14:55 BlockMen crazyR, not like hud elements. only in an ugly and hacky way, also not relieable
14:56 crazyR i presume the ugly hacky way means using background images to give it the appearance of being like that?
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14:59 w_laenger hi
14:59 BlockMen yes, or makeing the background fullscreen and make a huge formspec to place elements in corners then
14:59 BlockMen but i wouldnt do that
15:00 crazyR yea doesnt sounds apealing lol, thanks for the heads up.
15:00 Megaf Hi all
15:00 CraigyDavi hi Megaf
15:09 * Krock made an infinite extendable auto-smelter with default:* and pipeworks:*
15:09 * Krock adds  mesecons.*
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15:21 reactor What's the point in additional furnace in Homedecor?
15:23 nman3600 sorry i just randomly went afk
15:23 nman3600 anyway hi
15:25 nman3600 uploading shears. v2.0 coming out in less thank 15 mins
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15:27 w_laenger this bug is really annoying, people who join this server with an older version have an invisible hud, too
15:28 reactor Completely?
15:29 nman3600 i need a tiny tiny bit of help
15:29 nman3600 should stone shears be made of cobblestone or stone
15:29 reactor "stone shears"
15:29 reactor This is ridiculous.
15:29 nman3600 but "stone" tools are made of cobblestone
15:30 reactor Yes, but have you ever tried making scissor-like tools from stone?
15:30 reactor They would be too brittle, if you ever could.
15:31 nman3600 i shoulnt've asked
15:31 reactor wooden shears are kind of like that, too. But At least wood can handle bending and stretching as well.
15:31 reactor s/as well/better than stone/
15:31 nman3600 i'm gonna do stone
15:31 reactor cobble it is, for tools
15:31 reactor other tools are made with cobble
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15:32 nman3600 hi rubenwardy
15:32 nman3600 so you're saying cobble then?
15:32 reactor yep
15:32 rubenwardy pre-hello Xd
15:32 rubenwardy Hi all!
15:32 nman3600 k thanks
15:32 nman3600 hi ruben
15:33 crazyR whe you set the formspec via meta:set_string("formspec", "formspechere") on register node, what does it set the formname too?
15:35 w_laenger and the next bug: *** glibc detected *** minetest: malloc(): smallbin double linked list corrupted: 0x7d0cec38 ***
15:36 w_laenger and I need to restart because of the hud problem again
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15:47 nman3600 hi Calinou
15:47 Calinou hi nman3600
15:47 nman3600 how are you?
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16:02 nman3600 in about 5 or more mins v2.0 of my shears mod will be out
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16:07 nman3600 how do i post a mod on github to upload to the forums??
16:08 Calinou 1) upload to GitHub 2) put a link to the repository in your forum topic
16:08 Calinou it's that easy
16:08 nman3600 but how do i upload it to github
16:08 Calinou you need to learn how to use Git first
16:08 nman3600 i only got github the other day so i'm new to it
16:08 rubenwardy You can create it in the browser
16:08 rubenwardy If you use windows, there is a nice program for it
16:08 Calinou rubenwardy, how can you add new files using it? you can only edit files with the web interface, or remove files
16:08 rubenwardy you can
16:08 Calinou a nice crap program for it :P
16:09 Calinou TortoiseGit is preferable for GUI
16:09 rubenwardy see the [+] in the file browser
16:09 Calinou ah
16:09 nman3600 that says create new?
16:09 rubenwardy Calinou: it lacks features, but it good for simple pulling, commit, push
16:09 rubenwardy Create new repository
16:10 nman3600 ok
16:10 Calinou it's proprietary and locked in, that's why I don't recommend it
16:10 Calinou (typical GitHub…)
16:10 rubenwardy ok, I don't think you can create it all at once. You need to copy and past individual files, in different commits, with [+]
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16:11 nman3600 i'll go back to mediafire then or is there anything else better than it
16:11 nman3600 i've got to go eat my dinner brb
16:14 rubenwardy "git pull crazy master"
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16:17 nman3600 i'm back so should i use mediafire or use something better
16:20 Calinou dropbox is better
16:20 Calinou it allows for direct downloading
16:20 nman3600 k i'll use that then
16:20 nman3600 thanks!
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16:46 nman3600 V.2.0 of my shears mod is now released
16:46 nman3600 https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.ph​p?f=11&amp;t=9247&amp;p=142004#p142004
16:47 nman3600 brb
16:49 Krock party hard
16:53 * rubenwardy read "Krock is partly hard"
16:53 Krock lol
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17:04 HamishTPB Can anyone tell me how to make the mouse work the proper way up (pilot style) please?
17:04 Krock Which platform?
17:04 HamishTPB Linux
17:05 HamishTPB I can't get used to the way first person stuff defaults these days  (I am old!) :)
17:07 HamishTPB aha - I think I found something in the wiki
17:07 HamishTPB I have found it now!
17:07 HamishTPB sorry - I have been looking for ages and as soon as I ask I find it :-)
17:13 Krock and none answers - how lonely
17:16 Warr1024 would be rather nice if invert_mouse were a checkbox.
17:17 HamishTPB Warr1024: yes
17:17 HamishTPB but I found it in the config now :)
17:18 Warr1024 there are a handful of things you can only do in the config file
17:18 Warr1024 for instance, change the FOV
17:18 Krock why invert_mouse? that's confusing
17:18 BlockMen finally: https://forum.minetest.net/vi​ewtopic.php?p=142013#p142013 :)
17:18 Warr1024 I also found that I'm unable to bind the TAB key to anything unless I do it manually in config.
17:19 Warr1024 Krock: what's confusing about it?
17:19 HamishTPB It is in beta though
17:19 HamishTPB and very usable so I can't complain too much
17:19 Krock Warr1024, everything moves into wrong direction..well I couldn't handle that
17:20 Krock BlockMen, gonna steal that code :P
17:20 HamishTPB When I started playing 3D games (probably before most of you were born!) 3D games always defaulted to aircraft style controls :)
17:20 HamishTPB so I got used to it and can't work the other way
17:20 Warr1024 Krock: still don't know what you mean.  How would adding a checkbox cause that?
17:21 BlockMen Krock, just play MT+
17:21 Krock Warr1024, I mean, I couldn't play with inverted-mouse, I'm not used in it. that's all I said
17:21 BlockMen its the most polished game around :)
17:21 Warr1024 ah ok.
17:22 Krock BlockMen, I love my own modified version of minetest_game :P but extending is always something special
17:22 Warr1024 which control style is intuitive to you depends on whether you think of moving the mouse "up" or "forward"
17:22 kaeza HamishTPB, one of the first (if not the first) games to feature pitch change I believe was Quake, and that's not so old :)
17:22 kaeza (in FPSs I mean)
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17:22 Warr1024 I do remember a time when invert_mouse used to mean the opposite of what it does now.
17:22 Krock btw, FPS = Frames Per Second | FPSs = ?
17:22 HamishTPB kaeza: I am talking before that even - 8/16 bit
17:22 kaeza Krock, First Person Shooter
17:23 Krock aah
17:23 Krock ok thx
17:23 HamishTPB most first-person stuff back then *was* space or aircraft oriented so it sort of made sense :)
17:23 Warr1024 "control forward = pitch forward" feels a lot more intuitive with a joystick.
17:23 BlockMen Krock, well, have fun then. In MT+ all is kinda connected. Just copying something to _game wont be that easy :P
17:24 HamishTPB although now that I think about it Carrier Command may have been the other way around - need to check that
17:24 kaeza HamishTPB, space shooters usually have one in charge of some space...aircraft, so it makes sense :)
17:24 BlockMen http://i.imgur.com/YQyH8AW.jpg
17:24 HamishTPB kaeza: yeah :)
17:24 BlockMen same seed, different results^
17:24 Krock I live JPEG :D
17:24 Krock love
17:24 Krock *
17:25 HamishTPB never could get into minecraft but this works right away for me
17:25 HamishTPB so I will probably lose many hours to it! :D
17:25 BlockMen arg...damn imgur, when does it change the format an when not?
17:26 Krock BlockMen, interesting comparison :)
17:26 Krock (it never changes for me)
17:27 BlockMen Krock, even better when playing
17:27 BlockMen */ingame
17:27 Krock Yeah
17:30 VanessaE good morning
17:31 HamishTPB hiya
17:38 kaeza mornings V
17:39 OldCoder kaeza, Yo!
17:40 kaeza OldCoder, o/
17:40 Calinou <kaeza> HamishTPB, one of the first (if not the first) games to feature pitch change I believe was Quake, and that's not so old :)
17:40 Calinou back when a lot of players played with keyboard only... huehue
17:40 Calinou (would be nice if Minetest had keyboard look too)
17:40 kaeza ^
17:42 blaise I think it was doom, actually
17:42 blaise I'm personally rather fond of decent and decent2
17:43 Calinou doom doesn't have vertical looking in vanilla
17:43 Calinou same for jumping
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17:44 Krock new, helpful image: http://i.imgur.com/ni80Ncq.png
17:50 nman3600 hey
17:57 nman3600 so...
17:59 VanessaE hi all
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18:01 Megaf LazyJ; ping
18:01 Krock Megaf; ping
18:02 * Megaf pongs Krock
18:02 Krock What to do (except of raging) when it takes 5 seconds to send a ping request to a 5m distanced server with 12 players?
18:03 Krock Possibly too slow router or wifi
18:03 Megaf Krock; walls and water and pipe are good things to block wifi
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18:04 nman3600 hi Vanessa
18:04 Megaf wifi signal behaves like light, so imagine you router as a quite brilliant lamp
18:04 Megaf and on reflactions
18:04 Krock Megaf, there's a solid 10cm wall without pipes = 20cm of speed reduction
18:04 Calinou Krock, a ping request as in, “ping command”?
18:05 Calinou MegAFK, wifi works well in my bedroom which is quite far away from router, here
18:05 Calinou I'm probably just lucky
18:05 Calinou desktop uses ethernet anyway
18:05 Calinou 20m cable
18:05 Krock Calinou, "/ping" -> 5s -> "Server: Ping sent!" -> 0.8s -> "Server: Internal ping: 0.8"
18:05 nman3600 2.0 of the shears mod is out!
18:06 Exio4 Calinou: how much is "far away"?
18:06 Krock Weird... everything runs so fast and when the 6,7 or 8th player joins, it gets worse every second
18:07 MegAFK 30 packets transmitted, 30 received, 0% packet loss, time 8697ms
18:07 MegAFK rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 0.539/0.652/0.745/0.065 ms
18:07 MegAFK ping -c 30 -i 0.3 192.168.1.31
18:08 Krock hmm normal ping works with 50ms delay so it must be a MT problem
18:09 nman3600 time to make textures! brb
18:09 Krock *gets angry* the 1 month older build never had such problems
18:10 nman3600 so basically krock it has a 0.05 second delay :D
18:11 * Krock looks at laptop's screen
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18:11 nman3600 it's about time i update my first ever mod :D
18:12 VanessaE PilzAdam: asl wants https://github.com/PilzAdam/farming_plus/issues/9 and /10 merged into farming_plus.  I suggested he ask you first.
18:12 * Krock 's auto-crash-starter doesn't work when a crash GUI appears
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18:12 PilzAdam VanessaE, you have push access IIRC
18:12 PilzAdam do it!
18:13 VanessaE I know.  wanted to run it by you first.  it is your repo after all.
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18:16 * Krock just wrote a completely useless post there
18:16 VanessaE asl: what about Krock's commit just now?
18:16 VanessaE er comment
18:17 Krock lol
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18:17 Krock ye..I noticed -^
18:20 asl you mean the check if tool is sharp enough comment?
18:21 Krock it's enough comment to sharp check the tool
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18:22 VanessaE --> comment
18:23 kahrl mais comment?
18:24 kaeza Just butting in... how about defining a `sword' group?
18:25 * kaeza evades the swords thrown at him and hides
18:25 Calinou +1, would be nice to have groups for tools
18:26 asl lots of mod would need to be updated to include the group for it to be any use, just a simple string search work fine
18:26 kaeza string comparisons don't feel... too clean
18:27 kaeza but might be the only way in the short term.
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18:30 VanessaE kaeza: having defined groups for the various tools would be a plus.
18:32 kaeza asl: leave the string search in place, and if you can, add code to handle a possible "sword" group (so in the future mods can add it)
18:33 asl i ain't that good at lua yet
18:33 kaeza well, actually, it's up to VanessaE and/or Adam
18:33 kaeza :P
18:34 asl well, what about the seed placement?  wasted quite a bit of seed cause it ended up being place on top of another seed
18:35 asl https://github.com/PilzAdam/farming_plus/issues/10
18:35 VanessaE merged.
18:36 EvergreenTree How would I use gdb to debug minetest?
18:36 EvergreenTree I'm reporting something to BlockMen
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18:39 VanessaE EvergreenTree: make sure minetest is built in debug mode.  then just do   gdb minetest
18:39 jin_xi do gdb bin/minetest then type r
18:39 VanessaE and when you get the gdb prompt, type run
18:39 VanessaE ninja'd.
18:41 Vazon Vanessa i have a problem with my player files
18:41 VanessaE what's the problem?
18:42 Vazon ok the world saves and so does the auth.txt but the player files will not save, there inventory will not save and nether will the inventory
18:42 Vazon nether will there postion*
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18:53 Krock EvergreenTree, is your build newer than 2 days?
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18:55 EvergreenTree Krock: Why do you ask?
18:55 EvergreenTree yes
18:55 Krock EvergreenTree, just because of the "notice" above
18:57 Krock EvergreenTree, http://www.gnu.org/software/gdb/
18:57 EvergreenTree oh
18:57 EvergreenTree no, I figured it out
18:57 Krock ok
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19:15 RealBadAngel https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mnwk5XZ6DQE
19:15 RealBadAngel how do you like it? :)
19:16 zat How do I start the lua profiler?
19:17 Jordach RealBadAngel, what happens if you drop 65535 items
19:17 * ^whiskers75 purrs at sfan5
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19:17 VanessaE there, all farming_plus issues have been dealt with in one way or another.
19:18 * sfan5 meows at ^whiskers75
19:18 Jordach "The server at jordach.deviantart.com is taking too long to respond" D:
19:18 ^whiskers75 sfan5: this is my irccloud nick
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19:18 RealBadAngel jordach, with the code propably nothin special comparing to the original one
19:18 Jordach RealBadAngel, what size would it be - or is it clipped
19:18 RealBadAngel items do merge in stacks
19:19 Jordach if <stack_size> > 99 then set_size(1.0) end most likely
19:19 RealBadAngel full stack is max size
19:19 RealBadAngel either 1/1 or 99/99
19:19 RealBadAngel its max size
19:20 RealBadAngel while minimal size of item is 1/99
19:20 RealBadAngel local a = 0.15 + 0.15*(count/max_count)
19:20 RealBadAngel something like that
19:20 Jordach but what happens if the stack size is greater than max_count
19:21 RealBadAngel thats not normal and i havent thought about it even
19:21 RealBadAngel propably will have to be caped
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19:26 VanessaE cap it at max_count then
19:27 VanessaE math.max((0.15 + 0.15*(count/max_count)), max_count)
19:27 VanessaE I think that's how you'd do it anyway
19:27 VanessaE or something similar
19:27 VanessaE pff, math.fail :)
19:28 VanessaE cap it at 1 ;)
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19:44 reactor 01:43:44: INFO[CurlFetchThread]: servers.minetest.net/announce not found (Timeout was reached) (response code 100)
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19:44 reactor Eh?!
19:45 reactor Is it my or serverlist server's fault?
19:46 asl Reactor: that kind of normal, it just a random network error, if it happen a lot, then something is wrong
19:47 reactor I changed my server's description, now it started appearing.
19:47 reactor I changed it back, didn't help.
19:48 asl just keep trying, timeout mean that it fail to connect to the serverlist server
19:50 reactor The serverlist is populated, I see.
19:50 reactor Mine doesn't show up.
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20:09 sapier http://animalsmod.comuf.com/downlo​ads/Minetest-release_20140518.apk another alpha test of minetest android client
20:14 VanessaE *gasp*
20:14 VanessaE "release"
20:14 VanessaE you stopped calling it -Debug.apk :)
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20:16 ^whiskers75 sapier yay
20:17 sapier that doesn't mean anything VanessaE it's just to ensure ppl compare release builds to release builds ... debug would be significant slower
20:21 Megaf does anyone here knows pedro555?
20:21 crazyR Ìû
20:25 reactor Мы или Они?
20:27 CraigyDavi Megaf, I remember th ename from somewhere...
20:27 Megaf He plays on serveral servers
20:29 jin_xi sapier: nice work, but it crashes for me whn i dig a node
20:32 CraigyDavi Ah yes that's where I remember the name from
20:33 sapier jin_xi do you have a crash log ?
20:33 jin_xi sapier: im much noob to android, where should i look?
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20:34 sapier puuh guess you don't have a rooted device ... hmm could you have a look at /sdcard/Minetest/ there should be a file called debug.txt ... the last lines should do
20:34 jin_xi no not rooted
20:35 sapier debug.txt should be still there
20:37 jin_xi hmm, nothing too interesting, iCCP png warnings
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20:39 jin_xi can i turn log level up easily? singleplayer digs default:... is the last line
20:40 EvergreenTree put debug_log_level = 4 in minetest.conf
20:40 Sokomine aah! there are now < and > in case there are more games installed than fit into the menu. that's great! now i can keep them in one folder :-)
20:40 john_minetest VanessaE: On mostly vanilla, everybody seems to have fly. Is that correct?
20:41 Sokomine john_minetest: yes. vanessa announced it on the forum
20:41 Sokomine fly's very practical for building
20:41 VanessaE yes yes yes it's right
20:41 VanessaE for the umpteenth time :)
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20:42 john_minetest Lol, right now, that I have finished my castle ;)
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20:44 Amaz <Sokomine> aah! there are now < and > in case there are more games installed than fit into the menu. that's great! now i can keep them in one folder
20:44 Amaz Yay!
20:44 Megaf john_minetest; what server?
20:46 * Jordach grumbles about fly for all
20:46 Jordach VanessaE, taking the survival out of minetest since 2012
20:47 EvergreenTree minetest never really was a survival game
20:47 Jordach bullshit
20:47 Jordach 0.2
20:47 Jordach and 0.3
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20:48 Amaz Hopefully with the subgames being included, it should go more survival...
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20:49 diemartin try survival modpack :3
20:49 Jordach or BFD
20:49 Jordach >:D </evil_laugh>
20:49 diemartin you can die of suffocation, hunger, thirst, or by radiation
20:49 VanessaE radiation?
20:50 diemartin my engrish is bad
20:50 VanessaE wtf, you blowing up reactors too? :P
20:50 diemartin +poisoning
20:50 Amaz Great!
20:50 * Amaz likes the sound of that
20:50 john_minetest Megaf: VanessaE's mostly vanilla
20:50 diemartin VanessaE, heh, no, toxic waste :D
20:51 diemartin (liquid)
20:51 Jordach i'm surprised with the ability to override mods, hasn't made a mod that looks normal, but modifies water to kill
20:51 diemartin hmm
20:51 john_minetest The greatest advantages of flying are, that good screenshots are much easier to do and that I can cut down trees easier, that some *#$%s only dug half.
20:51 * diemartin takes noe
20:51 diemartin note even
20:52 diemartin Jordach, make an ABM that turns air into lava! it kills everything! including your FPS and CPU!
20:53 * diemartin already tried... PC almost didn't tell the tale
20:53 VanessaE lol
20:53 Jordach im surprised there arent trojian mods
20:53 * Jordach modifies his jukebox to set fire to thuings
20:53 Vazon Vanessa you never helped me with my player file problem :|
20:53 jin_xi sapier: android crash http://paste.ubuntu.com/7485530/
20:54 Jordach but only in MT+ or Carbone
20:55 sapier hmm jin_xi sadly nothing in there that'd help
20:56 BlockMen Jordach, whats with MT+?
20:56 raffahacks Is therw an android stable versiin
20:56 Jordach BlockMen, modifying the jukebox to set fire to a random node
20:56 Jordach but doesnt work in bfd
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20:58 BlockMen Jukebox, fire?
20:58 BlockMen why?
20:58 jin_xi sapier, how do you place stuff? in other news picking flowers and crafting works
20:59 PilzAdam Jordach, I do that for all my mods if you pay me :-p
20:59 sapier there's nothing special about that code in android port jin_xi
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21:05 jin_xi sapier: well, it crashes too when i tried to open inv with creative on
21:05 sapier hmm creative on?
21:05 sapier maybe that's related
21:05 jin_xi so i was positively surprised i could craft and such
21:05 sapier did you do a singleplayer game or connect to some server?
21:06 jin_xi single
21:06 jin_xi bbl
21:11 Vazon can someone tell me why my servers player files will not save on shutdowns?
21:11 blaise bad permissions on the files ?
21:12 Vazon ? permissions is in the auth.dat
21:12 Vazon its the players files that will not save, like postion and inventorys
21:14 john_minetest Are you on linux or on windows?
21:14 john_minetest Vazon ^
21:15 Vazon idk what the server is on, OldCoder is hosting it
21:15 john_minetest Then ask OldCoder.
21:16 blaise lol
21:16 blaise OldCoder: hey mang, what are you using to host your minetest hosery
21:17 Amaz How do you set make to use the max threads possible?
21:23 blaise make -j manages compile jobs
21:23 blaise there's another one I forgot that will incure as many jobs as there is free resources
21:24 Amaz Okay.
21:24 blaise I'm looking it up in the man page now, just a sec
21:25 Amaz I know make -j(number) uses that number of threads, but I'm not sure how many my pc has...
21:26 Sokomine jordach: play adventuretest if you want a stornger survival aspect. or realtest (to a degree). or on xanandu
21:29 blaise cat /proc/cpuinfo
21:29 blaise it'll tell you
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21:30 PilzAdam make -j   uses one thread for each object to compile
21:33 blaise --load-average
21:34 blaise that will initiate as many compile jobs as it takes to keep the system at the specified load average
21:34 blaise which is prefered over -j
21:34 blaise -j9 would be fore an 8 core system
21:34 sapier make sure you've got enough memory for the -j setting you use
21:35 blaise http://stackoverflow.com/questions/​3413384/how-to-determine-a-good-val​ue-for-load-average-using-gnu-make
21:36 blaise that site might help you make sure you make a good decision
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22:09 john_minetest LOL: http://vimeo.com/38991709
22:11 john_minetest http://vimeo.com/32800807
22:12 john_minetest Vimeo got the best videos ever.
22:12 john_minetest And the best community.
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22:20 blaise sapier: so when this thing force closes or what not, does the debug and backtrace and all that get sent home?
22:20 sapier no
22:20 blaise zomfg
22:20 blaise freenode is falling apart
22:21 john_minetest http://vimeo.com/7563705
22:21 john_minetest c
22:21 john_minetest ya
22:21 blaise sapier: no phone home? or no freenode fall aparts?
22:21 sapier no phone home
22:21 blaise damn
22:22 blaise how do we expect to tell you guys anything?
22:22 blaise "oh, hay.. it crashed.. "
22:22 blaise isn't exactly very informative.
22:23 sapier well that's a alpha version, I haven't done all the cool stuff to prepare error information for us to be usefull ... wait minetest itself doesn't have things like that :-)
22:23 sapier but yes for android we need it even more so I most likely will implement at least some defined way
22:23 sapier but no automatic transmission
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22:24 sapier at least not until I get told about a simple way to do that for android automaticaly
22:24 sapier on android I'm still a beginner
22:24 blaise arnt there templates for that stuff in the adk ?
22:25 blaise on linux I can run minetest through gdb and send you guys the backtrace..
22:25 sapier maybe ... I don't know but usually those things are for java aps ndk isn't supported even close to java things
22:25 blaise but honestly, I haven't had the need
22:25 BlockMen gd night everyone
22:25 blaise BlockMen: gn..
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22:26 sapier that's a good idea ... I've got work today too
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22:27 blaise :)
22:27 blaise I've got a mom with stiches, and a baby to look after
22:27 blaise and I need to look into a gov grant to start a non-profit buisness
22:27 blaise lmao
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22:31 puhfa one of our players found an egine-related glitch, both with 0.4.9 and later dev versions: nodes' damage_per_second wont do anything if user is sneaking above the node
22:31 puhfa is this a known issue?
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22:48 blaise I would look on the bug tracker site, but I'm not aware of one
22:48 blaise I believe they juse use the github for bug reporting...
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23:03 VanessaE s/just/specifically/
23:10 Megaf folks, I just did some benchmarks on time vs threads ona four core CPU
23:12 Megaf http://www.zimagez.com/zimage​/screenshot-180514-201157.php
23:13 Megaf ^ blaise ^ PilzAdam
23:14 Megaf <john_minetest> Vimeo got the best videos ever.
23:14 Megaf I hate them
23:14 Megaf they still use the flash player
23:14 PilzAdam Megaf, eh, thats exactly what one would expect
23:14 Megaf That's so ice age
23:16 blaise no html5 ?
23:17 PilzAdam vimeo uses html5 if you don't have flash
23:18 Megaf not here
23:18 PilzAdam your browser is so ice age
23:18 Megaf youtube and other websites can play html5 with no issues at all
23:18 Megaf "¡Ay caramba!
23:18 Megaf This video can’t be played with your current setup."
23:19 puhfa blaise: yeah i searched github first but didnt find any report, thats why i asked here
23:25 blaise puhfa: Megaf might have more information about it
23:26 blaise I myself am lost..
23:26 Megaf ok, hold on
23:26 puhfa oh, i added an issue in github already
23:26 blaise as much as I would like to contribute by means of testing and bug reporting.. I haven't seen anything worth anyones time as far as that goes
23:26 blaise definitly no bugzilla or anything
23:27 puhfa i myself just hate wading through a code written by someone else
23:30 blaise you're not alone
23:30 blaise there are some serious rats nests out there with no foot notes
23:40 OldCoder blaise, Hi!
23:40 OldCoder blaise, one minute and I shall answer
23:41 OldCoder http://christfollower.me/D130622PC
23:42 OldCoder My pride and joy; the octocore. 32GB RAM and eight cores. Eight is Enough for Love :P
23:42 OldCoder http://christfollower.me/images/130622_system3.jpg
23:42 OldCoder http://christfollower.me/images/130622_system5.jpg
23:42 OldCoder ^ Minetest server and response to blaise earlier question
23:42 OldCoder
23:42 OldCoder http://christfollower.me/images/130622_system1.jpg
23:43 OldCoder ^ Lots of RAM in which Minetest can cram
23:43 OldCoder
23:43 OldCoder http://christfollower.me/images/130622_system2.jpg
23:43 OldCoder ^ Lots of disk for Minetest is no risk
23:43 OldCoder :P
23:43 OldCoder
23:43 * OldCoder loves his primary system
23:44 VanessaE nice
23:44 OldCoder You saw that last year but it is still a host without peer :P
23:44 * OldCoder will leave shortly to seek beer which must be near
23:44 VanessaE ok
23:44 OldCoder ^ Primarily a rhyme as a joke
23:44 VanessaE I know :)
23:45 OldCoder Ah
23:45 * OldCoder is not pushing the server right now because he is waiting for relocation and more stable network
23:45 VanessaE go seek out some suds and relax :)
23:45 OldCoder However... somebody tell Brandon Reese I am still waiting for Landrush
23:45 * OldCoder has Redcrab and Minerealms now and wishes Landrush to complete the set
23:46 VanessaE this is a copy of redcrab, or this IS redcrab?
23:46 * OldCoder tried to rescue Ghostshell 4GB world before its death but Ghostshell was depressed etc.
23:46 OldCoder It depends...
23:46 OldCoder If Redcrab/original shuts down this will become Redcrab
23:46 OldCoder We figured he was shutting down
23:46 Megaf blaise; http://www.zimagez.com/zimage​/screenshot-180514-204611.php
23:46 OldCoder But apparently he has surfaced again
23:47 VanessaE ah
23:47 Megaf That's with in a system that have 4 cores
23:48 Megaf so, a good number of jobs to run is the same number of real cores you have
23:49 VanessaE Megaf: it depends on the architecture too
23:49 pitriss Megaf: better is number_of_cores+1 :)
23:49 VanessaE (cores*threads)+1
23:51 VanessaE that i3 that my servers run on is dual core, but 4 threads, so -j4 or -j5 is best, depending on the job (assuming the build system is set up properly)
23:51 Megaf folks, how do I reset a user password?
23:53 VanessaE /setpassword <username> <newpassword.
23:53 VanessaE >
23:53 VanessaE meh.  you get the idea.
23:53 VanessaE pretty sure that's the command
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23:55 Megaf Thanks VanessaE

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