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00:17 Vazon proller are you there?
00:27 Exio4 the graphics driver of vbox are shit
00:28 Exio4 windows crashed, silverlight crashed, MC sometimes crashes (used it for testin' some things)
00:31 WindHero that is pretty bad
00:31 john_minetest vbox uses a very simple driver to allow easy access to graphics.
00:36 Megaf !seen Jessch8281
00:36 MinetestBot Megaf: Sorry, I haven't seen jessch8281 around.
00:36 Megaf !seen Gronx
00:36 MinetestBot Megaf: gronx was last seen at 2013-12-27 17:26:39 UTC on #minetest
00:36 Megaf !seen sin
00:36 MinetestBot Megaf: Sorry, I haven't seen sin around.
00:37 Vazon Ello's Megaf
00:38 Megaf Hey Vazon
00:38 awesomess3 on servers how do you report someone if they destroy property?
00:38 Vazon Megaf can you log in to my server and report the lag to me plz
00:38 Vazon minetest.org 30012
00:39 Megaf sure, hold on
00:39 Megaf minetest.org?
00:39 Vazon yes
00:39 Vazon OldCoder is hosting it
00:40 OldCoder Megaf, this is a temporary copy that may be down soon. But use it as you wish until then.
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01:07 Zeno` Hi. Should writing mods be discussed here or in another channel?
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01:09 VanessaE here.
01:09 VanessaE this is the catch-all channel for minetest stuff
01:10 Zeno` Ok, thanks. I'm trying to add a new ore and looking at moreores as a reference, but I'm not sure if it's using the latest API. I note that in mapgen.lua that default.generate_ore() is deprecated. So I'm getting confused
01:11 Zeno` Are the docs on the minetest wiki up to date?
01:14 Zeno` I guess what I'm asking is do I just have to do this: http://dev.minetest.net/minetest.register_ore
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01:24 Exio4 VanessaE: 96 isn't a nice average for a DPI
01:26 Exio4 ppi *
01:26 VanessaE well whatever it is
01:26 VanessaE mine's average :P
01:29 Exio4 117.51 is my actual PPI (netbook), 102.46 is my desktop's, lots of "high-end" laptops high DPIs are common (high as over 120, no extremely-high)
01:30 Exio4 the other screen in my house has a 107 DPI
01:30 Exio4 PPI whatever
01:31 VanessaE [     4.669] (II) fglrx(0): DPI set to (96, 96)
01:32 Exio4 use an online calculator
01:32 Exio4 !g ppi calculator screen sven
01:32 MinetestBot Exio4: http://www.sven.de/dpi/
01:38 VanessaE meh
01:40 VanessaE 100 PPI in my case, by that site.
01:41 VanessaE had to get the tape measure out, these are actually a tiny fraction over 20" diagonal (coulda sworn they were 21)
01:43 Exio4 i don't have any ruler for some unit of measure that isn't worth existing
01:44 VanessaE I just used my seamstress tape :P
01:45 VanessaE 96 is still a good baseline if you're a cheapskate like me :)
01:45 VanessaE (read: doesn't buy retina monitors :P )
01:48 Exio4 anyway
01:48 Exio4 i'd like to know the actual relation of inches <-> yards <-> miles
01:49 VanessaE 36 inches to a yard, 63360 inches in a mile
01:49 VanessaE :P
01:49 Artemis3 thankfully its only a couple of obscure countries using those
01:50 Artemis3 and USA.
01:50 VanessaE yeah, some backwater place over on this side of the Atlantic
01:50 VanessaE :)
01:50 Exio4 VanessaE: i mean, metric system is just *10 /10
01:50 Artemis3 just zeroes yes
01:50 VanessaE yup
01:51 Exio4 is there any relation in the conversion between inches, yards, etc
01:51 Exio4 any polynomial function you could use for this?
01:51 VanessaE I presume it's because 12 is divisible between more values than 10
01:51 VanessaE 2, 3, 4, 6, versus just 2 and 5.  something about construction
01:52 Exio4 4 and 6 are just combinations of 2 and 3 so i don't take them
01:52 Exio4 :P
01:52 VanessaE I don't remember the history behind the customary system
01:55 Exio4 well, if you have a function that takes two variables and where 0 is a metre/meter and +3 is km ad -3 is mm you could make a function f(x,y) = x*10^y and bam! you got it! (x = meters, y = to what unit you want to convert it)
01:56 VanessaE I never said customary units make any sense :)
01:56 Exio4 if something doesn't make sense, why does it exist
01:56 VanessaE inertia
01:57 VanessaE why do Brits still use Pounds Sterling while everyone around them uses Euros?
01:59 Exio4 i'd say because their currency was actually going good
02:00 VanessaE were most of the other countries' currencies doing okay?
02:01 VanessaE the same can be said for customary units here.  they make zero sense (especially to geeks :) ) except in very limited circumstances, but for most people, they're just fine.
02:01 Exio4 tell me a place where a inch/yard/mile/whatever makes sense
02:02 VanessaE measuring lumber for building.
02:03 VanessaE because having units that are conveniently divisible into quarters, thirds, etc. in that case is about the only time I can think of that it makes some sense
02:03 Exio4 quarters? thirds?
02:03 VanessaE yes
02:03 Exio4 0.25 and 0.3^
02:03 VanessaE yes I get that
02:04 Exio4 using decimal seems way easier than using units that don't directly convert between them (using the same formula)
02:04 VanessaE don't ask me how it works out that way but for some people, it does
02:05 Exio4 if i'm used to count using only odd numbers, someone telling me to use even numbers too will make "my workflow" break even though it makes way more sense
02:05 VanessaE the same can easily be said of metric
02:05 VanessaE for folks who can't adapt
02:08 Exio4 i miss running my FX all time
02:09 Exio4 i'll plug it to an old crt around (no decent screen around)
02:09 Exio4 maybe i'll be able to play some game too
02:09 Exio4 running nice games at 1024x768 probably means i'll get super-l33t FPSs at mid-to-high settings :P
02:11 Exio4 i can't wait to the moment when this laptop is unlocked
02:11 Exio4 laptop unlocked => i'll be able to install any distro => happy exio
02:11 Exio4 :D
02:12 VanessaE unlocked?
02:12 VanessaE why's it locked?
02:13 zat lets guess, password in the bios so unable to boot from any media.
02:13 VanessaE I assumed that as the "how", but that doesn't answer "why"
02:14 VanessaE (but then, can't he clear the CMOS with a jumper like most PCs?)
02:14 zat because the password wont let you change what media to boot
02:14 zat eh
02:14 Exio4 this is a gov laptop
02:14 VanessaE nono why as in why did someone lock it.   ^^^^ that's why.
02:14 zat the government has special jumpers
02:15 Exio4 zat: a chip, if it only was the bios, i'd have reset it in a few hours
02:15 zat they lock it so you wont wipe out their tracking software.
02:15 Exio4 i removed lots of shits from the linux install
02:15 Exio4 but i still can't wipe everything and actually left the windows install "somehow default"
02:15 Exio4 because the apps for being able to unlock the hardware is there
02:16 VanessaE ick.
02:17 Exio4 (i need the "certs" of the school server and shits, and i don't really want to mess with my laptop's hw too much when this laptop is actually mine, i already ended the high school so it needs to be unlocked by the "IT admin" (who is probably a dumbass))
02:17 Exio4 also, sad thing, this laptop's gpu is an Intel GMA 3600
02:18 Exio4 it is actually a shitty gpu with shitty blob drivers that work non-where and the basic FOSS support is in a newer kernel version, and tbh i don't want to mess too much with the boot until the laptop is full unlocked)
02:20 Exio4 and when i got it rly free, debian sid \o/
02:20 Exio4 + deb stable container (running full-time because they're so light :D)
02:21 Exio4 *yawn*
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02:23 zat all that chip thing is kind of creepy
02:23 Exio4 it isn't a thing the OS sends for being able to boot or shit like that
02:23 Exio4 it is pre-everything
02:24 VanessaE sounds like UEFI
02:24 VanessaE oh misread.
02:24 zat still I dont get what for
02:24 zat what does it even do?
02:25 zat ...other than annoying
02:25 Exio4 after 600 boots or 30 days or something the laptop locks down and til you don't take it to school it doesn't unlock
02:25 Exio4 (600 boots outside the "school", if you get there with the windows app, it'll check the certs and shit and realize "you are a legit student")
02:26 Exio4 the same happens in linux with a insane daemon i removed and did shred so i hope i don't see it back here
02:27 Exio4 the sad thing about linux here is that the linux distro they give us run like shit
02:27 Exio4 think about it this way: X11 has about 0.1 to 0.5s of INPUT LAG
02:28 VanessaE ouch
02:28 Exio4 the cpu, actually a very shitty one, a dual core intel atom n2600 has to render everything
02:28 Exio4 a 1.6ghz dual core hyperthreaded atom
02:29 Exio4 i'd say my AMD duron at 900mhz + alittle sis315 (that probably had better linux support than the gpu with this kernel) worked way better than this
02:29 VanessaE damn, a RPi is almost faster than that :)
02:30 Exio4 also, my older netbook (a real one i got as family gift) with an intel n270, intel gma something worked waaaay better
02:30 Exio4 anyway, i can't compare the systems
02:30 Exio4 the n270 netbook had a gentoo
02:30 Exio4 i took the hdd out of it (the laptop is now dead), and put it in my FX, the kernel didn't recognize ANYTHING
02:31 Exio4 used a generic kernel and nothing actually worked
02:31 Exio4 a few apps :P
02:31 Exio4 half of the stuff crashed (boot time) and i wasn't able to even run a ssh iirc
02:31 VanessaE heh
02:32 Exio4 it was funny you know
02:32 Exio4 you had an hdd that would only work with a single laptop
02:32 Exio4 it didn't even have vesa drivers for anything :P
02:33 Exio4 well whatever
02:34 Exio4 this looks a catharsis lol
02:34 Exio4 like a*
02:34 VanessaE heh
02:34 Exio4 i can't even think a phrase that makes sense right now
02:35 VanessaE then take a short break
02:35 Exio4 i need to sleep :P
02:35 VanessaE or do that
02:38 Exio4 i'll do that after i get a working hqx binary
02:42 Exio4 how the fuck can hqx take so much time
02:42 VanessaE dunno :)
02:44 Exio4 also, i miss 1080p
02:53 Zeno` can somebody have a *very* quick look at https://github.com/Zeno-/mtz_geology  ? My sounds aren't working but I don't know if it's the mod or something else in general. It's not meant to be pretty yet, so ignore the ugliness please
03:03 VanessaE seems right to me
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03:04 Zeno` ok, I broke something else then. Thanks
03:09 zat omg why are new players so retard... they just enter the world and hit each other until they kill or get killed, then repeat.
03:10 zat its full of bones near the start of the world
03:12 VanessaE and this, folks, is why I removed the bones mod from all of my servers and my game.
03:13 zat I dont just because I cant stand the idea someone keep their stuff when respawned
03:13 zat where is the penalty of dying then!
03:14 Zeno` I hate those bones
03:16 zat know what... bones should be invisible for all other players.
03:25 VanessaE invisible?
03:25 VanessaE as in the whole node?
03:25 VanessaE that's...um...impossible I think
03:25 Artemis3 try lava :3
03:25 VanessaE zat: as for penalty, simple:  the time it takes to get back to where you were. if you play enough, you might have been 10km away from the spawn, and G*d knows how deep underground
03:26 zat VanessaE: I prefer making the player lose everything!!!!!!
03:26 VanessaE fuckno
03:27 Artemis3 teleport vs lose items...
03:27 VanessaE considering the mess that bones have a tendency to create for everyone *else*, I repeat: fuck no.
03:28 zat then make all the items drop.
03:29 Artemis3 after two days digging i found my first diamond! oopps lava -_-!
03:29 Artemis3 who knows if i relog in that server or start again elsewhere :)
03:30 zat Artemis3: trying in server Digitalis makes much more sense actually.
03:32 Artemis3 whats the ip for that?
03:33 Artemis3 oh well i see a bunch including digitalis
03:34 zat a bunch?
03:34 zat sounds like a bug
03:35 Artemis3 Xanadu, Onez, Clip Shanes, Lag, Digitalis Sockbat's, LandRush, VanessaE (too many) Craigs, Sky, Ethic Rush Adventuretest some ip, LinuxGaming.us, CG72's, Road, Backbone...
03:36 zat there is only one Digitalis lol
03:36 Artemis3 haha yeah
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03:37 Artemis3 but many VanessaE
03:37 zat a bunch including... sounds like all including the world.
03:37 zat yes VanessaE is omnipresent.
03:37 VanessaE my servers are digitalaudioconcepts.com.  a domain I've had since before minetest existed :P
03:37 zat wtf happened to the light boxes of homedecor D:
03:38 zat I cant find them
03:38 VanessaE you mean glowlights?
03:38 VanessaE they're still there
03:38 VanessaE if they aren't there, it means some other mod is re-defining them to remove them from your inventory
03:40 zat maybe
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03:41 Artemis3 let's try..
03:43 Artemis3 omg sounds
03:43 Artemis3 scary
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03:48 zat lmao
03:48 Artemis3 well guys sure run fast there
03:48 Artemis3 unified inventory is nice
03:50 zat I am trying Xanadu's
03:50 zat what is so great about it?
03:51 Artemis3 hmm no autopickup where is the stuff?
03:52 Artemis3 oh there it is, just lag
03:53 Artemis3 umm touhou character names
03:53 Artemis3 freaks server :3
03:53 zat lolol
03:53 zat seems pretty virgin actually
03:53 zat I was playing over there in the morning but didnt do much
04:04 Artemis3 the inventory lag is too much
04:05 zat its worth it!
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04:08 Artemis3 its like 1min from picking object to show
04:08 zat is it THAT bad?
04:08 Artemis3 yes
04:09 Artemis3 i would probably not be able to play there
04:09 zat try messaging the admin
04:10 zat is/her username is God, and he will enter if you do something to call his attention lol
04:11 Artemis3 doubt the admin can do much, unless its torrenting something
04:11 WindHero yes, finally got some proper moontest-exclusive ores and tools implemented
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04:14 zat I think he was actually torrenting
04:14 zat I messaged him/her (I know him/her)
04:15 Artemis3 lol
04:15 Artemis3 im joining Xanadu in the meantime
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04:17 zat Artemis3: try it again, he messaged me back saying it should be fine now.
04:17 zat I am joining now too.
04:22 kaeza blarghargh https://gist.github.com/kaeza/a5f79a33bf0365d6faa5
04:26 zat quedé de kaeza leyendo eso
04:26 kaeza :D
04:26 kaeza (P.S: al fin alguien entiende mi nick)
04:27 zat siempre pensé que podría significar algo así...
04:28 kaeza zat, remove the testing code and you got a nice small OO lib with (multiple) inheritance, etc
04:28 kaeza not fast, not efficient, not nice, but OO!
04:28 kaeza s/lib/system/ or whatever
04:29 zat know too little of lua :(
04:31 zat it means moon *genius*
04:32 zat and was developed in brazil lol
04:32 zat that might explain why too many brazilian players
04:33 zat or it can be that Ñu/Linux distros are popular there...
04:33 zat who knows... any brazilian here?
04:35 kaeza huehuehue no
04:35 kaeza it's named "Lua" because it "orbits" around a main program (like the moon orbits around the earth)
04:35 kaeza eh nevermind
04:36 zat I though it was named lua to annoy sun and their java.
04:36 zat :D!!!!!!
04:37 zat sun...java, lua... opposite to sun (only from a standpoint on earth)
04:37 zat ...the chat is getting truly deep at this time I see,
04:39 kaeza interesting way to think about it :P
04:41 * kaeza has a new signature
04:42 zat show it
04:42 zat show it to me kaeza~
04:42 zat show me your lower kaeza~
04:43 kaeza <3 https://forum.minetest.net/memberli​st.php?mode=viewprofile&amp;u=3279
04:44 zat (lmao)
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05:15 us`0gb Is "Lua" a moon-related word in some language then?
05:18 VanessaE yep
05:18 VanessaE I forget which language, I keep thinking Spanish-related though
05:19 VanessaE Portugese probably :P
05:20 VanessaE What's in a name?
05:20 VanessaE "Lua" (pronounced LOO-ah) means "Moon" in Portuguese.
05:20 VanessaE http://www.lua.org/about.html
05:21 VanessaE bbl
05:21 VanessaE bedtime
05:31 us`0gb I see.
05:31 us`0gb Good night VanessaE!
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06:03 Krock hello world and good moring
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06:32 VanessaE well as usual that didn't work out.
06:35 Krock hmm?
06:35 VanessaE can't sleep
06:36 Krock count the seconds until you do
06:36 VanessaE hah
06:36 VanessaE I'll just start coming up with some weird way to do it.  count sheep?  I'll start imagining nixie tubes for the numbers.  etc.
06:37 VanessaE my mind just doesn't rest unless I burn out or take sleeping pills/liquids :(
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06:40 * kaeza drops a bucket of lava on VanessaE's head
06:40 kaeza there, that should burn you out
06:40 kaeza :)
06:40 VanessaE I said burn OUT, not burn UP :)
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07:05 VanessaE nice
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07:59 john_minetest Hello everypony.
07:59 john_minetest Best ad/prank EVER: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1hpU_Neg1KA
08:01 VanessaE hi
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08:03 john_minetest Nice song: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hvLkXTSTEtg
08:03 john_minetest VanessaE: Hi, too. Btw, how do I protect my house on your vanilla server?
08:04 VanessaE https://forum.minetest.net/v​iewtopic.php?f=15&amp;t=9196
08:04 VanessaE under "full game content" is a description of how the areas mod works
08:04 VanessaE (it's the same mod on Vanilla as on that game and elsewhere)
08:05 PenguinDad hey john_minetest
08:05 VanessaE john_minetest: OMG
08:05 VanessaE that is hilarious
08:06 john_minetest Yeah, I love the end.
08:06 john_minetest I wonder how they did this for all of them. And I love the reactions.
08:09 VanessaE very VERY carefully :)
08:10 VanessaE I can only imagine the body shop repair bills for the car wrecks :P
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08:15 john_minetest Somebody protected half of my castle :/
08:16 john_minetest well, two blocks
08:18 john_minetest East Street, turn right to Little Amsterdam, rurn left to Castle Way.
08:18 john_minetest :D
08:20 VanessaE helps if I sign onto the right server :P
08:30 VanessaE I'm gonna try that whole sleep thing again.
08:30 VanessaE bbl.
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08:34 * PenguinDad slaps his ISP
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09:00 john_minetest Why is the option that turns water non-transparent called "opaque water"?
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09:00 nman3600 hi all
09:00 john_minetest oh
09:00 john_minetest right
09:00 john_minetest makes sense
09:01 john_minetest I thought "opaque" means "transparent" since drawing programs call their transparency setting "opaque".
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09:06 RealBadAngel http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opacity_%28optics%29
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09:15 john_minetest https://player.vimeo.com/video/92453765?autoplay=1
09:19 Krock cool - minetest uses not 110MB RAM instead of 150MB after update - but joining got nearly mpossible ...
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09:26 john_minetest http://vimeo.com/44878206
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09:50 RealBadAngel https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e-AOw1xvQyY
09:50 RealBadAngel ^^ how do you like that?
09:54 john_minetest This video is private.
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09:57 Calinou le new menu
09:58 john_minetest what is new?
09:58 RealBadAngel https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e-AOw1xvQyY
09:58 RealBadAngel try again
09:59 john_minetest Looks kinda glitchy.
09:59 Calinou john_minetest, clouds show if enable_clouds = false
09:59 Calinou finally
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10:00 RealBadAngel doesnt feel any glitchy ingame
10:03 PenguinDad no sky colored background with menu_clouds = false :(
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10:09 john_minetest http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eige​nvalues_and_eigenvectors#History
10:09 john_minetest Lol, they just took the german words and changed only the last part :P
10:11 Calinou PenguinDad, would rather have dark background; easier on the eyes
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10:24 nman3600 hia
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10:36 john_minetest hi nman3600
10:36 nman3600 hi
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10:46 john_minetest Lol: http://vimeo.com/16537885
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11:08 PilzAdam Hello everyone!
11:11 john_minetest hey PilzAdam
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11:24 iamtew hey guys, are there any recommended specs for running a minetest server? cpu, ram, disk and such?
11:24 iamtew the wiki is a wee bit thin on that
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11:44 john_minetest The more, the better.
11:45 cerulean256 iamtew: depends on how many clients you want to support
11:45 john_minetest iamtew: You can run a server on a CPU that can run minetest.
11:45 john_minetest A bit more CPU and RAM is better when you want to host for more than two or three people.
11:46 cerulean256 a small server with 512 Mb and single core @ 2 ghz works fine for like 4 - 8 ppl on a local network.
11:46 cerulean256 at least it does for me :)
11:47 cerulean256 and I virtualize on top of that :p
11:48 cerulean256 if you want to make like your own MMO server farm you can go out and buy 10G NICs and servers with 12 cores and 96 G RAM.
11:48 cerulean256 ;)
11:50 iamtew ok cool :)
11:50 cerulean256 you know, I would actually be curious in the statisitcs of a single client - how much data needs to be allocated on the network to accomodate that client.
11:50 iamtew just thinking a server for me and a couple of friends
11:51 cerulean256 then you can calculate your requirements accordingly
11:51 iamtew but first the proof of concept going up on my home server.. I'll give it a small container first and we'll see how it goes, can always allocate more
11:51 cerulean256 you going to virtualize?
11:53 iamtew eh, not necessarily
11:53 iamtew I got OpenVZ containers running on a box here at home
11:54 cerulean256 ok.. I am curious as to how it plays out :)
11:54 cerulean256 let me know
11:54 iamtew will do
11:54 sfan5 meow
11:54 sfan5 hi everyone
11:56 * john_minetest gives sfan5 a <'((-<
11:56 * sfan5 noms the fishy
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12:11 iamtew uh this is weird.. I get the followin error in my journal when trying to start up a default server:
12:11 iamtew May 17 09:12:00 minetest.lan minetestserver[1468]: 09:12:00: ERROR[main]: Subgame [] could not be found.
12:11 FreeFull Odd
12:13 sfan5 iamtew: add --gameid minimal or --gameid minetest_game
12:14 sfan5 or whatever subgame you are using
12:14 iamtew ok
12:15 iamtew can I specify this in the config file or do I need to go and modify the actual service file in systemd?
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12:16 sfan5 you can specify this in world.mt
12:16 sfan5 echo -e "gameid = minetest_game\nbackend = sqlite3" > <world dir>/world.mt
12:16 rubenwardy Hi all!
12:16 * sfan5 meows at rubenwardy
12:17 iamtew hm ok.. well I don't have a world yet as I haven't been able to start the server :)
12:17 iamtew I'll patch the service file first and give it a go
12:17 sfan5 just create an empty dir
12:17 sfan5 ^
12:17 sfan5 you might also want to consider using leveldb instead of sqlite3: http://wiki.minetest.net/Database_backends
12:18 iamtew ok
12:19 iamtew well, this turned out to be a bit more fiddly than expected :-D
12:19 iamtew I'll pick it up later tonight, need to attend other things now
12:19 iamtew thanks for the assistance guys!
12:19 * iamtew afk
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12:29 Hunterz anyone have lag when put/get item to/from a chest on the server?
12:30 reactor Maybe that's acoincidence?
12:30 reactor How much items? One?
12:30 Hunterz one
12:30 reactor How long does the lag last?
12:30 Hunterz gui is opened without lag
12:31 reactor The moving itself?
12:31 reactor How far away is the server?
12:31 Hunterz drag to chest
12:31 Hunterz wait some time
12:31 reactor Maybe it's waiting for the server's response for long?
12:31 Hunterz im using sqlite for map
12:32 reactor Ah, you run it locally and get lag?
12:32 Hunterz on local network
12:32 Hunterz dedicated server
12:33 Hunterz server is fine i7 with ssd and much ram
12:33 reactor ...that may be a bug. Why not ask in #minetest-code?
12:33 Hunterz dont know that channel
12:33 reactor Oh, also, look at processor load on the server while moving.
12:33 Hunterz thanks
12:33 reactor #minetest-dev*
12:34 Hunterz processor is fine, there running three instance of minecraft without lags :)
12:35 Krock I can't run MC.
12:35 reactor What happened?
12:36 Krock A meteorite crashed with sun. It burnt up
12:36 reactor иНЖАЛИД
12:39 john_minetest Lol, coolest helicopter ever: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons​/b/b4/Sikorsky_Skycrane_carrying_2_Hueys_c.jpg
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12:46 Exio4 Hunterz: the "gui" is predicted locally afaik
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12:59 diemartin https://fbcdn-sphotos-f-a.akamaihd.net​/hphotos-ak-frc3/t1.0-9/10357836_82615​4934072186_5664524567073771012_n.jpg
13:09 Jordach zing
13:10 Krock Woo! 11th crash today :)
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13:14 PenguinDad wtf did youtube smoke?
13:15 reactor youtube has always been like that
13:16 reactor They suck at everything.
13:16 PenguinDad it tells me "Dieses Video ist nicht verfügbar." but plays the sound of it o_O
13:16 reactor Yeah, totally.
13:16 reactor youtube-dl should relieve your problem.
13:17 reactor As well as free you from having to wait for the browser to fire up.
13:21 webdesigner97 hmm... Does anyone know how PilzAdam#s boats mod makes sure that only one boat drives when the player is in? My cars have the problem that they all start moving as soon as i press W....
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13:25 john_minetest webdesigner97: Sell it as "remote control feature" ;)
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13:42 MinetestBot GIT: Sapier at GMX dot net commited to minetest/minetest: Fix singleplayer dialogs missing game customization 87b4bce594 2014-05-17T15:32:51+02:00 http://git.io/NHzxVQ
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14:28 diemartin https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n1H3JXqvj-U
14:32 Vazon Hi Megaf
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14:44 rubenwardy !title https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jRZ9gtHWqlc
14:44 MinetestBot rubenwardy: Minetest - Car Mod for Streets Mod - YouTube
14:48 john_minetest http://imgur.com/gallery/B2DVgBG
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14:49 rubenwardy What is the policy of moving mods to "Old Mods", if the owner does not request it?
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14:50 rubenwardy Hello... good bye
14:51 PenguinDad http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x15cfmb_my-litt​le-pony-friendship-is-magic-season-3-episode-1-2​-the-crystal-empire-hd-no-watermarks_shortfilms lol
14:51 PenguinDad oops I pasted the wrong link http://www.reddit.com/r/Programmer​Humor/comments/25m9i1/why_do_conse​rvatives_prefer_functional/chik86e
14:51 diemartin rubenwardy, if a mod does not work in the current version, and does not look like it will be updated, it should be moved
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14:52 diemartin rubenwardy, source: https://forum.minetest.net/v​iewtopic.php?f=13&amp;t=2053
14:53 diemartin is there any mod you want to report?
14:54 rubenwardy The fireworks mod is over 2 years old, and still uses entities. But there is no replacement, and it still works in 0.4.9-dev
14:55 diemartin oh that
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14:59 diemartin well, don't see any problems if it still works, but dunno
14:59 diemartin maybe it will spark interest again now that the topic was brought back from the dead :P
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15:06 Amaz The fireworks mod was the first mod I ever used...
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15:10 PenguinDad the first mod I ever installed was sfan5's oil mod
15:11 Amaz Maybe a new subforum could be made: "Undeveloped mods"
15:11 * BlockMen thinks the first mod he ever used was moreflowers
15:11 Krock How about adding a try{ }catch{} thing around main()? I don't like crashes...it needs to load everything again after it did ...
15:11 diemartin 3dforniture[sic] <3
15:11 john_minetest functional was invented before turing machines
15:12 john_minetest so conservatives will use the older, functional approach
15:12 Krock hmm my first mod was technic - it took me 2 monthts to understand, "Hey, I need pipeworks and moretrees too!"
15:12 Amaz For mods that are no longer being developed
15:13 * diemartin wonders what happened with the cool ol' modders like bas, InfinityProject, etc
15:13 diemartin probably got one of those things called "life"
15:14 diemartin :D
15:14 diemartin D:*
15:15 BlockMen diemartin, lol
15:18 rubenwardy "forniture" annoys me
15:18 rubenwardy furniture!
15:18 Amaz ^ Yep!
15:19 diemartin fourniture!
15:19 reactor rubenwardy: me, too
15:19 reactor fornication
15:19 john_minetest fourier
15:20 markveidemanis foobar
15:20 reactor fuehrer
15:20 reactor s/f/F/
15:22 markveidemanis *gasp
15:22 Amaz Rubenwardy: Is the reason you had such difficulty driving the car in the video you made because it's left-hand drive?
15:23 rubenwardy Probably
15:23 rubenwardy The physics is pretty bad, as well
15:23 rubenwardy It rotates on the spot
15:23 Amaz Right.
15:24 reactor Also left.
15:24 john_minetest which car?
15:24 rubenwardy In England, we drive on the right side of the road
15:24 rubenwardy https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jRZ9gtHWqlc
15:25 rubenwardy ^ could mean right/left  or  right/wrong
15:25 john_minetest Yay! GTA for minetest!
15:27 whiskers75 sfan5: the network is down
15:27 whiskers75 sfan5: because Fusl in #fnalerts is DDoSing my pie
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15:29 Krock hint: don't use dedicated_server_step < 0.1  in a home network
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15:45 whiskers75 sfan5: ping
15:46 whiskers75 sfan5: when you get this message, rejoin irc.kittenco.in
15:46 whiskers75 it should be back
15:49 sfan5 whiskers75: it keeps connecting & connecting (on the ssl port)
15:49 whiskers75 sfan5: ssl?
15:50 whiskers75 sfan5: maybe you're checking the cet
15:50 whiskers75 cert
15:50 sfan5 no
15:50 whiskers75 sfan5: any errors?
15:50 sfan5 xchat still says connecting
15:50 sfan5 it has not got any cert yet
15:50 whiskers75 sfan5: o.o
15:50 whiskers75 sfan5: try w/out ssl
15:51 sfan5 do you have the ssl key files?
15:51 whiskers75 yes
15:51 sfan5 the same happend with my ircd when I didn't have them
15:51 whiskers75 (that's because it wasn't listening)
15:51 sfan5 whiskers75: non-ssl does not work either
15:51 whiskers75 sfan5: irc.kittenco.in?
15:52 sfan5 ah wait
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16:13 Jordach ehm
16:13 Jordach https://cdn.mediacru.sh/m8yyMt_QTu87.png
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16:15 Krock Jordach, open office
16:16 Krock it's a open office writer file
16:16 Jordach libreoffice ftw
16:16 Calinou it's not an “open office writer file”
16:16 Calinou .odt is OpenDocument; can be edited by any compliant editor, not only LibreOffice and OpenOffice.org
16:21 sfan5 whiskers75: fix your irc
16:21 sfan5 whiskers75: also: sqlite3.c finished
16:21 whiskers75 sfan5: :D
16:21 whiskers75 sfan5: my router's rebooting
16:24 reactor Office is counterproductive.
16:25 Jordach bollocks
16:25 sfan5 whiskers75: how long is your router going to reboot?
16:25 Jordach i press F11 and go fullscreen
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16:30 whiskers75 sfan5: meowww! D:
16:30 whiskers75 sfan5: somebody is DDoSing my pie again! D:
16:31 Krock pie as RPi?
16:31 sfan5 yes
16:31 reactor whiskers75: use limiting rules.
16:31 whiskers75 It's attacking the router level
16:31 * PenguinDad would like to have an Strawberry e
16:31 whiskers75 and I can't get a new IP.
16:32 Krock +1 PenguinDad
16:33 sfan5 whiskers75: Segmentation fault (core dumped) upon connecting
16:33 whiskers75 sfan5: to my pie?
16:33 whiskers75 or to your pie?
16:34 sfan5 on mine
16:34 whiskers75 using sasl?
16:34 whiskers75 sfan5: compile with gcc
16:37 Guest56688 This annoys me a bit
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16:40 sfan5 Program received signal SIGSEGV, Segmentation fault.
16:40 sfan5 0xb6faf61c in rb_vsnprintf (buf=0xbefff278 "\001", size=<optimized out>, fmt=<optimized out>, args=...) at snprintf.c:592
16:40 sfan5 592end[-1] = '\0';
16:40 sfan5 wat
16:40 sfan5 c does not work like that
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16:41 markveidemanis I conclude that the whole alphabet is in use
16:41 markveidemanis The only nick without enforce is v
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16:49 sfan5 https://i.imgur.com/y41pi4n.jpg
16:49 Calinou GarbageProblemCollector
17:03 sfan5 whiskers75: sqlite3.c
17:03 whiskers75 sfan5: meanwhile, in whiskers75 land, whiskers75 doesn't even have internet through his main router
17:04 whiskers75 I think someone hates my guts.
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17:04 sfan5 whiskers75: you do know that a router without IP cannot be DoS'ed? did you try turning it off and on again?
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17:05 whiskers75 sfan5: yes
17:05 whiskers75 sfan5: I've had this before
17:05 * sfan5 meows at whiskers75
17:05 whiskers75 sfan5: my isp is such that they only give you new IPs if you have another MAC address/
17:05 * whiskers75 emits a sorry, broken, quiet meow in sfan5's direction.
17:06 sfan5 my ircd is running
17:06 whiskers75 sfan5: well I'm screwed
17:06 * markveidemanis immobilizes whosker75
17:06 * markveidemanis immobilizes whisker75
17:06 sfan5 >whosker
17:06 sfan5 wat
17:06 * whiskers75 is already immobilized
17:07 sfan5 whiskers75: how about you connect an we chat?
17:07 sfan5 and*
17:08 whiskers75 sfan5: I can't connect to anything without some form of cloak
17:08 whiskers75 this is a backup connection
17:08 sfan5 why not?
17:09 whiskers75 the person owning this will be mad if I get ddosd on it
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17:23 nman3600 hi
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17:50 sfan5 whiskers75: status?
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18:04 whiskers75 sfan5: still ddos
18:09 Jordach hey [PavelS]
18:14 whiskers75 sfan5: will be sleeping, expect no pinet till tommorow-later
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19:01 MinetestBot w_laenger: 05-13 18:07 UTC <Krock> hello.
19:01 w_laenger hi
19:01 MinetestBot w_laenger: 05-13 18:07 UTC <Krock> hello.
19:02 w_laenger hi
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19:21 * Jordach meows at MinetestBot
19:22 blaise !up midnightsystems.net
19:22 MinetestBot midnightsystems.net:30000 is up (456ms)
19:23 w_laenger !up midnightsystems.net 30010
19:23 MinetestBot midnightsystems.net:30010 seems to be down
19:24 blaise is this bad? [19:24:27] <minetest> # Server: version=0.4.9, uptime=78523.1, max_lag=5.19414, clients={}
19:25 Jordach max_lag counts for the slowest player
19:25 Jordach NOT averaged
19:25 blaise ah
19:25 Jordach it can also include map loading
19:25 blaise I figured that since it said max
19:27 w_laenger there's a new mod
19:27 w_laenger which kills player if the server lags
19:27 w_laenger players*
19:27 Amaz That seems to me to just make things worse...
19:29 w_laenger not if these players are kicked instead
19:29 w_laenger so they can't cause more lag
19:30 w_laenger 504 Gateway Time-out on mediacru.sh
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19:31 * Krocky is interested
19:31 Krocky w_laenger, link?
19:31 Amaz If they can be kicked, then that's good.
19:32 Amaz Krock: https://forum.minetest.net/viewt​opic.php?f=9&amp;t=8917#p141887
19:32 w_laenger https://forum.minetest.net/viewt​opic.php?f=9&amp;t=8917#p141887
19:32 w_laenger sry
19:33 w_laenger kicking would be a bit hard
19:33 w_laenger but
19:33 w_laenger player:remove()
19:33 Amaz Yeah, but killing makes more lag...
19:34 w_laenger you can delete the player object
19:34 Amaz What good does that do?
19:34 w_laenger so this player can't interact and/or chat but he/she can read the chat
19:35 w_laenger he/she should get informed what happened that he/she doesn't build a house which becomes deleted
19:35 Amaz That doesn't seem to be the best way around it...
19:36 w_laenger I know, it's like kicking
19:36 Amaz The best way would be to kick all of the players.
19:36 w_laenger just change ca 3 lines
19:37 w_laenger the server doesn't immediately stop lagging if they left
19:37 w_laenger eg. fire, hardcore tnt
19:38 Amaz Yeah, but if everyone is kicked, things get better fast.
19:40 Krocky w_laenger, that's not the best soulation
19:40 w_laenger not if they rejoin at the same place https://github.com/HybridDog/minetest-n​ether/blob/master/nether/portal.lua#L67
19:42 w_laenger a good solution would be something to allow mods to interrupt a function at a specific place (eg with os.clock to check if it's lagging and then after some seconds it's allowed again)
19:43 w_laenger so the tnt just gets removed instead of exploding or particles aren't shown https://github.com/HybridDog/minetest_game/co​mmit/70cabd0e8ca3b3d699389f5be1dd2dd43fbed3e3
19:44 w_laenger does anyone (except me and its creator) know the special_picks mod?
19:49 Krocky nope -^
19:49 w_laenger wrong, there's one person I didn't mention
19:57 w_laenger http://is.gd/UxSX3C
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20:21 crazyR is there anyone here, good at designing nodeboxes?
20:22 * Jordach hides (Jordach uses blender to create them)
20:22 crazyR lol, im after a skull shaped nodebox for bones mod
20:22 crazyR you up for the challange?
20:22 crazyR lol
20:25 CraigyDavi Just use nodeboxeditor. Can't be that hard
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20:38 nman3600 hello
20:42 Jordach nman3600, http://i.imgur.com/BhgPD.png
20:42 Jordach FUCK
20:42 Jordach OH CMON
20:42 PilzAdam > Direct3D >FPS=10
20:42 Jordach PilzAdam, two years ago
20:43 Jordach by may 2013 that literally went up by 2.5x
20:43 Jordach (and we didn't have the OpenGL stuff as we do now, eg, stars, etc)
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20:44 w_laenger star points
20:46 Jordach ho shit
20:46 Jordach found the world
20:46 Jordach http://www.mediafire.com/downl​oad/ebdmpga5ybjwwf5/world.zip
20:46 PilzAdam Jordach, please remove the code tag from your signature, it's distracting
20:47 Jordach try again
20:47 Amaz I like the code tag.
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21:28 Jordach PilzAdam, https://cdn.mediacru.sh/BCshOaVgsnI2.png
21:30 PilzAdam >OpenGL >60 FPS
21:30 FreeFull Is that unbelievable?
21:30 Jordach the unknown stuff is the old mesecons
21:31 Jordach and that bridge actually lit itself up at night
21:31 FreeFull Jordach: Want to try fixing it?
21:31 Jordach too much effort in fixing the jeija parts
21:31 Jordach although lots of aliases could do it
21:34 w_laenger why did I try to rebuild the monument of free in minetest? https://cdn.mediacru.sh/bvP-3CZUdBij.png
21:35 Jordach lincity!
21:36 w_laenger I know. http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/com​mons/3/3f/Monument_of_Free.png?uselang=de
21:38 PenguinDad *lincity-ng
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21:38 * Jordach is starting to approach his AMD's limit of rendering
21:40 ShadowNinja Yay, fun... http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/7480440/
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21:52 w_laenger how can I load this python plugin again?
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22:12 zat maybe newbie question... do leaves of trees grow again?
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22:14 FreeFull They grew?
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22:16 zat on mapgen
22:18 ShadowNinja zat: No, they don't.
22:18 zat ShadowNinja: my girlfriend is kind of a pyro in the game
22:18 zat and she is burning everything D;
22:23 ShadowNinja zat: /set disable_fire true  ;-)
22:23 ShadowNinja BBL.
22:26 zat LLOL
22:46 blaise people use ubuntu?
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22:48 zat maybe aliens do
22:52 john_minetest Yeah.
22:53 john_minetest Nobody would use spyware that is more blinky than microsoft's.
22:53 john_minetest (At least no human. And no cephalopod.)
22:54 zat I dont get it, what is the... paranoia here?
22:54 john_minetest Lol... paranoia?
22:54 john_minetest Look what RMS says about Ubuntu.
22:54 zat talking about spyware normally comes from paranoia.
22:54 john_minetest It is not paranoia, it is truth.
22:55 john_minetest Ubuntu sends stuff unecrypted to amazon.
22:55 zat the search terms?
22:55 john_minetest for example.
22:56 john_minetest A lot of other things happening there, too.
22:56 john_minetest And the DE is just crap.
22:56 zat that is just an opinion
22:57 john_minetest https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CP8CNp-vksc
22:58 PenguinDad /quit
22:59 zat if you want to make a point, you should be able to explain it by yourself.
23:00 john_minetest I just explained it and posted the RMS video for more info.
23:00 john_minetest It is basically what I said a bit longer.
23:00 zat I see stallman is calling it a spyware because it sends the search term for statistics.
23:01 john_minetest Yeah. Unencrypted.
23:01 zat Google must be spyware, under that logic, since they collect my searches as well.
23:01 zat and it is normally sent unencrypted as well
23:01 john_minetest If you are looking for sensitive data on your PC, they can see what they find out.
23:01 john_minetest I am using ixquick for searching the web.
23:01 john_minetest Sometimes startpage.
23:01 zat no, they can see what I typed to look for it.
23:02 john_minetest Exacly.
23:02 john_minetest *Exactly
23:03 john_minetest And this could contain sensitive information.
23:03 zat it could if your files have sensitive info based names.
23:03 zat arent the users told about that when they install ubuntu?
23:03 john_minetest Yeah.
23:03 john_minetest When they install ubuntu?
23:04 john_minetest Not sure. Might be in the EULA. But who reads the EULA?
23:04 john_minetest (I am reading it.)
23:04 zat well, thats like saying... who reads contracts?
23:04 zat that nobody reads them wont void them
23:04 zat if you get what I mean
23:04 john_minetest Exaclty.
23:04 john_minetest People are just too lazy to read what they accept.
23:05 john_minetest They think: "Oh, free software, so no spyware and stuff. Agree."
23:05 blaise yes, I've aquired quite a number of souls like that...
23:05 blaise it's wonderful...
23:05 john_minetest Btw, if you plan to use a different git, don't use Atlassian Bitbucket. Their privacy policy is crappy and they use google everywhere.
23:06 john_minetest Gitlab.com is nice. Also assembla.
23:06 zat thats the error, thinking that free software means anything else than the freedom to use it and modify it and distribute it.
23:06 john_minetest Well, people are stupid. And there are always a few using that stupidity to aquire souls.
23:07 john_minetest There is even some South Park episode on EULAs and ToS.
23:07 john_minetest :P
23:07 zat uh I want to watch it
23:07 john_minetest It is ugly.
23:07 john_minetest :D
23:07 blaise southpark has their own site
23:07 blaise you can watch all their eps for free
23:08 blaise my girlfriend is hopelessly addicted
23:08 john_minetest This is kinda NSFW: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h5AOU49fLTE
23:09 zat uh=??
23:10 zat its so hard to understand that fatty guy... whats his name?
23:10 zat english already is a pain to write, to speak it and listen to its horrible...
23:10 john_minetest cartman?
23:10 zat that one
23:11 zat only good thing, most of the time things are shorter in english, thats all.
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23:31 john_minetest All those license agreements are sick.p
23:31 john_minetest -p
23:32 john_minetest So much text and so little meaning.
23:32 john_minetest Look at zlib or MIT license. They are so short.
23:32 john_minetest or BSD.
23:38 VanessaE WTFPL :)
23:38 PilzAdam john_minetest, there are methods to detect how "complex" a text is
23:39 PilzAdam they used that on license agreements and found, that you need an academic grade to understand them, in most cases
23:39 PilzAdam the companies do that on purpose, you are not supposed to read it
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23:39 VanessaE sfan5: can you check on the speed of the mapper.  I just noticed in my stats that since switching to it, it's taking many times longer to produce maps than before
23:40 VanessaE s/\./\?/
23:40 VanessaE since switching to the "official" one e.g. https://github.com/minetest/minetestmapper/
23:41 VanessaE oh fuck me, it's generating the WHOLE map
23:42 VanessaE ..and it's blank.
23:42 VanessaE that ain't right.
23:43 VanessaE might not be the whole map, I can't be sure, but it IS blank.
23:45 arsdragonfly VanessaE: is colors.txt misconfigured?
23:46 VanessaE arsdragonfly: it's my colors.txt that I've been using for many months now.
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23:59 PilzAdam !title http://youtu.be/xOCurBYI_gY

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