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00:31 WindHero hmm, implementing the pasture biome will be more interesting than I originally thought...
00:31 Vazon pasture biome is the same as a grassy biome, or am i mistaken?
00:31 WindHero ("interesting" meaning "more involved")
00:32 WindHero no,
00:32 WindHero I'm referring to Jordach's wheat fields from BFD
00:32 Vazon o ok
00:32 WindHero where every surface node it topped by one of five varieties of wheat grass
00:34 VanessaE pastures?  surely not in moontest ;)
00:35 WindHero no, of course not
00:35 WindHero I'm working on skylands atm
00:35 VanessaE with THIS community, you never know :D
00:36 Vazon o well VanessaE i beieve you was wrong xD
00:36 WindHero I think that's a good thing.... in moderation
00:36 VanessaE Vazon: wrong about which part?
00:36 Vazon what the pasture is going into
00:36 VanessaE I said "surely not" :)
00:37 Vazon but with a ;) face.... this is just to confusing, first you say surely not then with that face, is giving me mixed thoughts
00:37 * WindHero headdesks
00:38 VanessaE heh
00:38 WindHero in any case, idek why I'm looking over pastures when I haven't even added in the biomes I'm "borrowing" from watershed
00:38 * VanessaE confuses Vazon some more, just for spite :)
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00:38 WindHero rofl
00:39 * Vazon trys to run for freedom before he gets to confused
00:39 WindHero grammer_nazi says: *too
00:39 * VanessaE opens and closes doors and windows randomly in Vazon's path :D
00:39 * WindHero puts the icing on the cake with mesecons traps
00:40 WindHero (primarily ghost stone)
00:40 * Vazon just stops moving so he doesnt step on WindHero's traps
00:41 * VanessaE hands WindHero some sticky movestones
00:41 WindHero arigato gozaimasu!
00:41 * WindHero uses moves stones to push Vazon into trapstone pit
00:41 * Vazon wonders if he accompished anything is his short life, and desides he hasn't.
00:42 WindHero (for those who don't know Japanese, I said "thank you very much!")
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00:43 Vazon i wish i could speak another language besides english.
00:44 WindHero I only know a smidge of Japanese
00:44 WindHero what I know more of is Latin
00:44 VanessaE heh
00:45 WindHero omnes res in moderationem
00:45 VanessaE the only variant I know is "domo arigato" (from the song of course), and I haven't the foggiest clue how it *actually* translates.
00:45 WindHero *moderatione
00:45 WindHero "domo arigato" is "thank you very much"
00:45 WindHero I can swear in Japanese! :D
00:45 VanessaE oh ok, I assumed the song was not correct.
00:46 WindHero nah, two ways to say it
00:46 WindHero and probably more :P
00:46 VanessaE I can swear in a few other languages ;)
00:46 WindHero Apart from saying "no", the one thing I can do in the most languages is count to 3
00:47 WindHero Latin, German, Japanese, Spanish, English
01:00 FreeFull WindHero: What about domo arigato gozaimasu?
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01:02 Megaf_ VanessaE: If theres nobody online the CPU use is around 1%, as soon as I join it maxes out a core
01:02 Megaf_ what it seems like is it uses a lot of CPU to send the world to players
01:04 VanessaE Megaf_: have you run top to see just WHAT is consuming the CPU?
01:04 VanessaE I mean, is it minetestserver, or is it in "system" time?
01:04 WindHero FreeFull: lol, idk.  What Japanese I know I picked up from anime :P
01:05 Megaf_ VanessaE: Im using top to see that minetesetserver process is using CPU
01:05 Megaf_ iits usin TIME 4:22.60
01:05 Megaf_ using*
01:05 VanessaE ignore the time field
01:06 VanessaE how much of that CPU is "system" time in the summary at the top?
01:06 Megaf_ if I just stand still, not moving the camera, CPU usage drops to 20%
01:06 Megaf_ and theres no lag at all
01:07 Megaf_ then I start looking around and CPU use begins to rise
01:07 VanessaE wait,
01:08 VanessaE are you comparing minetestSERVER cpu or minetest NOT server???
01:08 VanessaE because that behavior sounds a lot like client CPU usage.
01:08 Megaf_ VanessaE: Im always talking about the minetestserver process on the actual hardware its running
01:08 VanessaE ok
01:08 Megaf_ clients runs on a different computer
01:09 VanessaE so, again, how much of that CPU is "system" time in the summary at the top of the "top" display?
01:09 Megaf_ VanessaE: what it looks like is, minetesert server uses a lot of CPU to “send” world data to clients
01:10 Megaf_ VanessaE: 0.2
01:10 VanessaE 0.2%?
01:10 VanessaE when minetestserver is at 100%?
01:11 Megaf_ when walking around, loading map
01:11 Megaf_ and thats whn it lags
01:11 Megaf_ top shows CPU 70% idle
01:11 VanessaE them it isn't just loading the map, it's *generating* the map too
01:11 VanessaE then*
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01:12 Megaf VanessaE: http://paste.debian.net/99388/
01:12 Megaf I dont think so, since Im at spawn
01:13 Megaf maybe its just the exotic hardware
01:13 VanessaE give me a list of the mods that are loaded
01:13 VanessaE and what kind of hardware is this again?
01:13 Megaf maybe we are missusing the ARM architecture
01:13 Megaf VanessaE: 4 core ARM at 2,1 GHz
01:13 VanessaE eek
01:14 Megaf it boots Debian + XFCE 4 in only a couple of seconds
01:14 Megaf opens firefox and libreoffice in a couple of sencods too
01:14 Megaf seconds*
01:14 * VanessaE waits.
01:15 VanessaE /mods --> pastebin
01:15 Megaf http://paste.debian.net/99389/
01:15 Megaf VanessaE: I told you, I disabled all mods already and tried again
01:15 Megaf still same issue
01:15 VanessaE get rid of animated furnace, it's obsolete.
01:16 Vazon .... is there a way t ogrant everyone access to a small part of a claim in the areas mod?
01:16 VanessaE as for the rest all I can assume is a lag machine byway of mesecons.
01:16 WindHero Vazon, you would have to edit the init.lua file
01:16 VanessaE Vazon: yes, you can set the land to "open" somehow but I forget how that is done
01:17 WindHero I'd say set self_protection to true
01:17 Megaf hold on, let me plug a monitor and input devices on my odroid
01:17 Vazon ok thanks i want to make sure it maby possible before burring my nose in code ot find out it wasnt even possible
01:17 WindHero or whatever that variable at the start is
01:17 VanessaE the /area_open command does it
01:17 Vazon ok :D
01:21 Megaf_ now, where the heck I put my micro hdmi cable?
01:21 Megaf_ Ok, X over SSH it is
01:31 Megaf ok, VanessaE first thing I'm going to do is update the Kernel
01:32 VanessaE waste of time
01:32 zat Any ideas on how to make trees spawn more dispersely?
01:32 VanessaE focus on minetest first.
01:32 VanessaE zat: not sure
01:32 VanessaE Megaf_: find out what's slowing your server down first before fucking with the kernel
01:33 Megaf VanessaE: well, you said several times, either is my server slow or my exotic distro...
01:33 zat VanessaE: I am trying with the settings of the perlin noise, I can't still figure which controls that.
01:33 zat if any.
01:33 VanessaE Megaf_: or, you have a slow mod.  a mesecons lag machine, I said.
01:38 Megaf VanessaE: how do I disable luajit with cmake?
01:39 VanessaE don't.
01:39 VanessaE you need that.
01:39 VanessaE without it, lua runs like 5-10x slower.
01:40 Megaf VanessaE: I was using luajit from luajits repos
01:40 Megaf not the bundled one
01:40 Megaf recompiling with the bundled one now
01:40 VanessaE besides, I don't think you can explicitly disable it
01:41 VanessaE the "bundled" one, unless it's been changed, is just plain old interpreted Lua
01:41 Megaf my cmake http://paste.debian.net/99390/
01:42 Megaf I know theres a lot of uneeded things in my cmake line
01:42 Megaf I put them just in case now
01:42 VanessaE why are you disabling sound, redis, freetype, and gettext?  this is a server, those shouldn't even be installed on that machine to begin with, and you're not even building the client anyway
01:42 VanessaE (well redis won't be used if it ain't installed)
01:42 Megaf just in case
01:43 VanessaE "just in case"?
01:43 VanessaE no.
01:43 VanessaE get rid of all of those options
01:43 zat Just in case would apply if you plan to play graphically with that installation of minetest.
01:44 VanessaE cmake . -DWARN_ALL=1 -DRUN_IN_PLACE=1 -DBUILD_CLIENT=0
01:44 VanessaE and without all that :BOOL=  crap either
01:44 VanessaE (not that it matters, but it's redundant)
01:44 Megaf better? http://paste.debian.net/99390/
01:44 VanessaE see above.
01:44 Megaf ok...
01:45 VanessaE let cmake do its job
01:45 Megaf http://paste.debian.net/99392/
01:46 Megaf I have redis and leveldb installed
01:46 Megaf but I dont want to use them
01:46 VanessaE they won't be used if you don't explicitly use them, but whatever
01:46 VanessaE now, rm CMakeCache.txt and run the cmake command again.
01:47 Megaf I know that... Usually I remove cache files
01:47 VanessaE ok
01:47 Megaf compiling
01:47 Megaf so good to see all 4 cores at 100%
01:49 VanessaE this is ARM you're dealing with, and only 2 GHz.  this is NOT a fast processor.
01:49 VanessaE it's meant to be very low wattage
01:49 VanessaE like <5 watts for most usage I think
01:49 Megaf its not fast for general use
01:50 Megaf it would be great if minetest could use its instructions
01:51 VanessaE minetest is not designed for "not for general use" platforms.
01:51 VanessaE that's why you're having such a hard time with this.
01:52 zat Megaf, since your are compiling, isnt that supposed to make the software use the instructions?
01:52 Megaf VanessaE: girl, its wasnt slow, my server used to be really fast two weeks ago
01:52 Megaf or even a week ago
01:52 Megaf then it began to lag a lot
01:52 zat as long as you use the appropriate CC flags.
01:52 Megaf same map, same world, same mods
01:52 VanessaE you've been complaining about minetest's speed for weeks now, Megaf_
01:53 Megaf VanessaE: actually for months, but thats another case
01:53 VanessaE well then "really fast" "even a week ago" doesn't make sense in the face of that.
01:53 VanessaE make up your mind.
01:54 Megaf zat: I'm not even sure if the kernel I'm using was properly compiled...
01:54 Megaf compile
01:54 Megaf http://paste.debian.net/99393/
01:54 Megaf 7 minutes to compile
01:55 zat I dont see how that means anything.
01:55 zat what does an uname -a says?
01:56 Megaf zat: I got a prebuilt system image
01:56 zat is it for arm?
01:56 Megaf so Im not sure what flags or options they used to compile the kernel
01:56 Megaf zat: yes...
01:57 zat then it is using the ARM instruction set.
01:58 Megaf !up minetest.megaf.info 30003
01:58 MinetestBot minetest.megaf.info:30003 is up (783ms)
01:59 Megaf heh, my desktop is much faster than my arm board, no surprise here, http://paste.debian.net/99394/
01:59 Megaf 6 times faster
02:21 Megaf VanessaE: I migrated my server to my desktop
02:21 VanessaE and?
02:21 Megaf there it uses up to 80% of the CPU
02:21 Megaf from 75 to 80%
02:21 Megaf when moving
02:21 Megaf and looking around
02:22 Megaf but little to no lag
02:22 VanessaE now as for mods, I still need to know what all is running
02:22 VanessaE and I don't mean ls ../mods
02:23 VanessaE I mean the output of the /mods command
02:23 VanessaE (that'll tell me the game content also)
02:24 Megaf hold on
02:24 VanessaE if you're getting huge CPU usage when you walk around, something in your game is tracking your position and reacting to it.
02:24 VanessaE (assuming you're staying within the parts of the map that are loaded already
02:24 VanessaE )
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02:25 Megaf Iceweasel can't find the server at en.zimagez.com.
02:25 Megaf oh dear
02:25 VanessaE use imgur then
02:26 Vazon Megaf when you get time can you tell me how you gave your ip a domain
02:26 VanessaE http://en.zimagez.com/ works here, btw
02:27 Megaf Vazon: You know about buying domains?
02:27 Vazon yes, i have heard of it
02:27 Megaf my name is from name.com
02:28 Vazon kk
02:28 Megaf also I got a private whois
02:28 Megaf so you cant get my name, address and telehpone
02:28 Vazon o
02:28 Megaf so, go to name.com and get a domain
02:28 Megaf thats the easy part
02:28 VanessaE private whois violates RFC>
02:28 Megaf the hard part is to use it with a dynamic IP
02:29 Megaf I have a dynamic DNS, megaf.no-ip.info and a no-ip client running on my ADSL modem
02:29 VanessaE (I got my domain through hostgator back when I used a shared host for my website.  got rid of the shared host when I moved on to bigger and better servers, kept the domain with them though)
02:29 Megaf so, them I just have to add a CNAME on my domain to "direct" it to megaf.no-ip.info
02:30 Megaf thats a way that I found and works great
02:30 Vazon cause im trying to get my server ip to minerealms. something (idc what) so my ip isnt something everyone has access to
02:30 VanessaE vazon, everyone will know your IP.
02:30 VanessaE that's how DNS works
02:30 Megaf VanessaE: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2281263/Image​s/Screenshot%20-%20130514%20-%2023%3A26%3A19.png
02:31 Vazon o i was unaware of this
02:31 Vazon DNS isnt something i mess with on a daily baisis
02:31 Megaf Vazon: DNS/Domain names are just like a shortcut to your machine, so you dont have to memorize your IP
02:31 VanessaE Vazon: yeah.  you give a domain name, the browser or minetest or whatever contacts a DNS server which looks up the IP address and gives the result back to that program.  the program uses that info to actually talk to the domain in question.
02:32 VanessaE think of it like a telephone book.
02:32 Megaf indeed
02:32 Vazon o ok
02:32 VanessaE dig digitalaudioconcepts.com and you'll get 192.99.11.10 as the result.
02:33 Megaf or ping google.com
02:33 Megaf or ping megaf.info
02:33 Megaf or whois megaf.info
02:34 VanessaE Megaf: get rid of animated_furnace.  it's obsolete (part of minetest_game now).   Do a /clearobjects .   Check the area for mesecons lag machines.
02:35 Vazon Vanessa what does /clearobjects do?? i use the code from built_items from carbone (i think thats the game) to clear droped items after 10 min
02:35 VanessaE Vazon: it removes all entities on the map
02:35 VanessaE MOBs, dropped objects, etc.
02:36 VanessaE such objects, if they're allowed to become too numerous, can cause large amounts of server CPU load and slow down clients' FPS.
02:36 VanessaE it's a last-resort
02:36 VanessaE but, I doubt there's anything that can't safely be deleted.
02:36 Vazon well we dont have Mobs and builtin_items clears dropped items so do i still need to run that command? and if so how often because i never run it
02:37 VanessaE Vazon: maybe you don't need it, but Megaf doesn't run that mod so he might.
02:37 VanessaE it's just a guess at this point
02:38 VanessaE Vazon: it's something you should almost never need in practice
02:38 Vazon ya true
02:38 Vazon ok
02:38 VanessaE and if you have a recent version of worldedit, you can //clearobjects (two slashes) to just remove entities within the //pos1 //pos2 region
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02:39 Vazon ya i have that
02:39 Megaf VanessaE: I think removing the animated furnace done the trick, at least on my desktop, gonna try on the ARM board now
02:40 Vazon i hope my fixed to the snow mod and the 3d_armor hold when 0.4.10 comes out D:
02:42 Megaf VanessaE: removing animated furnace made the cpu usage drop to only 25% on my ARM server
02:42 Megaf can you believe it?
02:42 VanessaE sounds like that mod was corrupted then
02:43 VanessaE which is odd
02:43 VanessaE all it does is redefine the front face of the "active" furnace to add an animated image.
02:43 Megaf maybe some kind of conflict with the new game?
02:43 VanessaE (which is why it's obsolete, minetest_game does that now)
02:43 VanessaE could be ^^^^6
02:43 VanessaE -6
02:43 Megaf now, world still take long to load
02:44 Megaf cleaning objects
02:45 Megaf Vazon: doesnt that clear drop items slow the server?
02:45 Vazon no
02:45 Megaf badly writen question, but you get what I mean
02:45 Vazon ya i understand
02:45 Vazon but bot it doesnt slow it down
02:45 Vazon but*
02:45 Megaf because /clearobjects totally freezes the server
02:46 Megaf VanessaE: my bad, it still using 100%
02:46 Megaf it uses 25% of all 4 cores
02:46 VanessaE ignore that,.
02:46 VanessaE let it finish
02:46 VanessaE it takes forever
02:47 Megaf I wonder how that carbone mod works to clear objects
02:47 Vazon Megaf there is times i will place some items and just do tother things and when i turn around its gone
02:47 Vazon its a modified builtin_items mod
02:48 Vazon and yes its carbone game that has it
02:48 Megaf VanessaE: it will be nice if every player had a vacuum tube attached
02:49 Megaf so they would clean the map...
02:49 Megaf :P
02:49 VanessaE Megaf: item_drop -->  https://github.com/cyisfor/item_drop
02:49 VanessaE configure it for pick-up mode only
02:49 Vazon t^^
02:49 Vazon Megaf there is the item droped mod that i have took out part of the code that it picks up droped items that they are near them
02:49 VanessaE (you can turn the drop-on-dig mode off)
02:53 Megaf well, but that wouldnt work for saplings
02:53 Megaf from trees
02:53 Megaf or when your inventory is full and you keep digging
02:53 Megaf or, will it?
03:01 Vazon ok as long as your still near the tree when the saplings drop no the ywont be picked up but that is where the item despawn comes in handy and once your inv is fun it wont pick up but its same as before after 10 min that itme will dspawn thus the lag it was causeing is gone.
03:01 Vazon saplings drop yes but other wise*
03:05 VanessaE Megaf: it works for any dropped object
03:06 VanessaE but if your inventory is full of course it won't pick up
03:06 VanessaE saplings dropped from a decaying tree will be picked up as they fall
03:06 VanessaE (if there's room)
03:08 Vazon VanessaE there is a typo i think in that item_drop readme
03:08 VanessaE planted saplings are just a normal block like anything else (well "plantlike" drawtype anyway) so they won't be touched.
03:08 Vazon a whole sentence is messed up
03:08 VanessaE better yell at cyisfor about it :)
03:10 Vazon lol look at the enable item_drop = true/false
03:10 Megaf I need a mod that clears objects, no matter where they are
03:10 Megaf and if theres players around or not
03:11 Vazon then you need the carbone builtin_item mod
03:12 Vazon im goingto try to incorporate the buildin_item droped item 3d in to the wield hand mod (part of the 3d_armor mod) so the items look 3d not flat
03:19 Megaf VanessaE: forget about #1247 I reported it to sapier long ago, he ignored me
03:19 Megaf I mean, #1297
03:20 Megaf Public serverlist failure
03:20 Vazon after you log out of one server??? i believe that has been reported many times
03:21 Megaf just click to show public server list
03:21 Megaf then you are screwed
03:21 Megaf proller is absolutely right, sapier doest even play minetest
03:21 Megaf he just changes the code
03:21 Megaf and never test a thinh
03:21 Megaf thing*
03:22 Megaf he doesnt even has a server
03:22 VanessaE Megaf: actually he didn't ignore you, your bug was fixed in a pull request that is pending.
03:22 VanessaE my bug is a different issue entirely.
03:23 VanessaE but related.
03:23 Megaf VanessaE: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2​281263/Images/Screenshots/Screenshot%​20-%20110514%20-%2012%3A14%3A18.png
03:23 VanessaE and you aren't screwed.
03:23 VanessaE you can edit your minetest.conf to recover.
03:23 VanessaE public_serverlist = false
03:23 VanessaE (or something like that)
03:24 Megaf yep
03:24 Megaf I know that
03:24 VanessaE and he tests plenty of stuff, I test what he can't.
03:24 Megaf but we have to think on the end use
03:24 Megaf user
03:24 VanessaE and you don't even know if he was the one whose last change cause that to break.
03:25 VanessaE end users normally won't run git builds.
03:25 VanessaE if you run git, be ready to help fix it.
03:26 Vazon Vanessa im planing on adding the irc mod to my sever to connect to other servers but dont want to connect to the one all of you guys use because that gets the chat all filled, is there any other opions?
03:26 Megaf Vazon: we could share an IRC channel
03:26 Megaf my server and yours
03:26 Megaf but Im not sure if I like that
03:27 Megaf I find that confusing
03:27 Vazon well that would be fine, but i didnt think you would like irc
03:27 VanessaE vazon:  just join a different channel
03:27 Megaf VanessaE: Can you please, once again, tell me how to I apply this patch here? https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/1241
03:28 Megaf the easy way
03:28 VanessaE Megaf: cd to your minetest dir,  git pull https://github.com/sapier/minetest.git fstk_addon
03:28 VanessaE and then compile.
03:29 Vazon .... they should make a mod that deloads chunks that havent been used in over a a week
03:29 VanessaE Vazon: de-loads?
03:30 VanessaE if you mean deletes them from the map, that'd be pointless
03:30 VanessaE because chunks are routinely operated on by one mod or another (to add landscape elements, etc).
03:30 VanessaE so you'd be destroying stuff as well.
03:31 Vazon ok so when you run in to uncharted areas that people make when exporing far out and some times it causes lag when they travel far out and generating ton of chunks wel la mod should just deload it till that area is visited again to reduce lag
03:31 Megaf Vazon: Theres already a timeout for that
03:32 Megaf server unload unused items
03:33 Vazon really?? geez its been to long since i have played this game i keep forgetting things and new things area added that im unaware of.
03:34 Megaf Vazon: it takes forever to get media on minereals server v2
03:34 Megaf if thats your server
03:34 Megaf minerealms
03:35 Vazon yes it is
03:36 Vazon i wish i haded been so stupid a few months agao and shutdown the best server that was running at the time besides roads
03:36 Vazon hadent
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03:37 Megaf heh, I can say the same about Till It Ends
03:38 Megaf I wish I could have it back
03:38 Megaf too bad my backup server didnt backup it properly
03:38 Vazon well i got my world back i just need my members back
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03:43 Vazon Vanessa do you even play any servers?
03:49 VanessaE my own servers sometimes
03:49 blaise oh my god
03:49 blaise I cleared my inventory by accident! :o
03:49 blaise lmao
03:51 Megaf blaise: I've done that too
03:52 blaise oh well..
03:52 blaise lao
03:52 blaise lmao
03:52 Vazon ... i do it to, but on purpose
03:54 blaise I'm building a factory....
03:54 blaise how do these pipes work?
03:55 blaise do I just route a box to a furnace and then out to a different box?
03:55 blaise are the different holes on the sides of the boxes and stuff for different things?
03:56 blaise fuel, incoming parts, outgoing parts?
03:56 blaise is there a pipeworks howto?
03:57 blaise and I want to make a water feature with that water pump in technik, can I use solar power?
03:58 Megaf blaise: pipes bring items
03:58 Megaf filters take items
03:58 Megaf thats what you need to know
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08:06 Exio4 for the records
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08:19 Mimilus_ Is it possible to have subfolder in textures folder in a mod ?
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08:22 RealBadAngel possible yes, but files wont be readed from it ;)
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08:42 ^Enki^ Hello all, I'm translating Minetest and I'm unsure about the actual meaning of "item visuals": does that mean "item meshes" or "item textures"? Any help would be much appreciated.
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08:45 john_minetest Hello everypony
08:45 ^Enki^ hello john_minetest
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08:48 ^Enki^ Same question for "hide mp content" does that stands for "hide modpack's content"?
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08:56 john_minetest Yeah, I think mp content is likely to be "modpack content"
08:56 john_minetest "multiplayer content" seems kinda wrong.
08:57 john_minetest For item visuals:
08:57 john_minetest # Set to true to pre-generate all item visuals
08:57 john_minetest #preload_item_visuals = true
08:57 john_minetest Hmmm... This isn't really helpful.
08:58 ^Enki^ thus "Enable MP" and "Disable MP" would also refer to "modpack content"? Sorry if the question seems dumb but I just want to double check :)
08:58 ^Enki^ about item visuals I think the core question is: does it refers to textures or to the actual 3d model?
08:58 ^Enki^ (thanks for helping me john_minetest!)
09:00 john_minetest Oh, I think I got something for the visuals.
09:00 john_minetest In the code it says "Updating item textures and meshes" g_settings->getBool("preload_item_visuals") is set.
09:00 john_minetest So it seems to be both.
09:01 ^Enki^ great, yeah definetively refers to both of them :) thank you very much!
09:02 john_minetest Yeah, mp is modpack there.
09:02 john_minetest Multiplayer is changed by choosing server, singleplayer or client tab, the world config menu only shows mod options.
09:04 ^Enki^ yep thus it can only be related to modpack, and given that they are enabled/disabled via a tickbox I believe that "Enable MP" etc. actually means "Enable mod pack content" as "show the modpack's content"
09:04 ^Enki^ aka subfolders etc.
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09:38 JamesTait Good morning all; happy Third Shift Workers' Day! :-D
09:44 iamtew good morning :)
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09:59 john_minetest JamesTait: When will be Cephalopod's Day?
09:59 JamesTait john_minetest, you could suggest it to daysoftheyear.com ;)
10:02 john_minetest October 8 – Octopus Day, for all the eight-armed species
10:02 john_minetest October 9 – Nautilus Night, a time for all the lesser-known extant cephalopods
10:02 john_minetest October 10 – Squid Day/Cuttlefish Day, or Squidturday, covering the tentacular species
10:02 john_minetest October 11 – Myths and Legends Day, for all the fantastical cephalopods of movies, literature and legend. Release the Kraken!
10:02 john_minetest October 12 – Fossil Day (to coincide with National Fossil Day), for all the incredible suckers that have gone extinct.
10:02 john_minetest was kicked by ShadowBot: Paste flood detected. Use a pastebin like pastebin.ubuntu.com or gist.github.com.
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10:03 john_minetest Blah
10:03 Exio4 national?
10:04 john_minetest http://laughingsquid.com/internat​ional-cephalopod-awareness-days/
10:04 john_minetest Cuttlefish are cool. But the coolest one is the Flamboyant cuttlefish. It is poisonous and walks around on the sea floor. It looks like a tiny elephant that walks underwater.
10:05 john_minetest http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tHnm4I4RBMo
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10:16 * ^Enki^ thinks that Chtulu has been busy down there.
10:16 john_minetest Chtulu is my boss.
10:17 TheCephalopod *manic laugher*
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10:17 ^Enki^ Chtulu f'tagn?
10:20 RealBadAngel john_minetest, item visuals means generate inventory textures false - in game, on the fly (may cause flickering when flipping inventory pages) and true - on startup, may take some time
10:22 john_minetest ^Enki^: ^Here
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10:41 ^Enki^ thanks to both for helping to clarify
10:43 ^Enki^ testing time, wish me good luck
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10:46 Krock hello
10:46 * Krock afk pooping then publishing *.exe and src to update skins for u_skins mod </private></secret>
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11:16 hoodedice quick noob question: Are '.' allowed in lua variables?
11:17 Krock IIRC nope. It's used for variables = {}
11:18 Krock test.text = "blah" beeds to have test = {} defined
11:18 Krock *needs
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11:35 kaeza mornings
11:36 Krock afternoons
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12:12 Megaf Morning
12:12 Megaf I still strugling to know what makes minetest server max out my cpu
12:13 proller suffering again ;)
12:14 proller just try fm
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12:23 Megaf proller: I just figured it out
12:23 Megaf proller: max_simultaneous_block_sends_per_client =
12:23 Megaf changed from 16 to 4
12:23 Megaf and max_simultaneous_block_sends_server_total = changed from a high number to 32
12:23 proller most of your problems was solved
12:24 Megaf that made the CPU use drop from 100.9% to 2%
12:24 proller without users ?
12:25 Megaf proller: till now I tested with one user...
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12:25 Megaf it was using 100.9% with only one user
12:25 proller 2% means user was disconnected ;)
12:25 Megaf proller: !up minetest.megaf.info 30003
12:25 Megaf please join, to test the CPU usage
12:26 SoniEx2 nodes are in-world tiles (or w/e they're called), right?
12:26 PilzAdam Hello everyone!
12:27 Megaf Hi PilzAdam
12:27 Megaf proller: are you working on making minetest/freeminer SMP friendly?
12:27 Megaf I believe that should be the focus now
12:27 Megaf the main objective
12:28 proller https://github.com/proller/freeminer/tree/lockvm
12:28 proller try this
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12:28 MinetestBot asie: 05-13 15:26 UTC <Jordach> compacted the stupidly large tanks code for switching tanks about; https://github.com/Jordach/big_freaking_dig/co​mmit/a218c0a2b15bfe2007ee589c1de1fad210ecdf78
12:33 Megaf proller: How does lockvm differs?
12:34 proller Megaf, it 999% better, try it.
12:34 Megaf proller: I will if you tell me why is better
12:34 proller (unproofed random numbers again)
12:34 proller because it have many optimizations
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12:36 proller look to diff if you very interested
12:43 Megaf proller: ok
12:47 hoodedice Krock: tables?
12:48 hoodedice lol, replied one and a half hour later
12:49 hoodedice I'll ask again: Are '.' allowed in lua variables?
12:49 hoodedice Answer I got was '<Krock> IIRC nope. It's used for variables = {}'
12:53 Megaf 3 players, 32% of CPU
12:55 Megaf VanessaE: Hi?
12:56 proller Megaf, and world not loading? ;)
12:56 Megaf proller: loading really fast
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13:09 ^Enki^ Hello, if I use the tickbox to fetch the public servelist my client (0.4.9-dev) crashes thowing this error (curl enabled on compiling): ERROR[main]: MAINMENU ERROR: .../minetest/bin/../builtin/mainmenu/init.lua:911: attempt to get length of field 'favorites' (a nil value)
13:09 ^Enki^ then gets stuck on that warning, even after restart
13:09 ^Enki^ any suggestions on how to fix it?
13:13 Megaf ^Enki^: It's a know bug and it will be fixed
13:14 Megaf but for now, you can edit you minetest.conf file, somewhere down there is something like, show public server list = true
13:14 Megaf change it to false
13:15 ^Enki^ Thank you Megaf
13:16 Megaf You're welcome ^Enki^
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13:24 Krock !up minetest.ntdll.net
13:24 MinetestBot minetest.ntdll.net:30000 is up (346ms)
13:24 Krock <3 MinetestBot
13:24 MinetestBot <3 Krock
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13:24 Megaf !up minetest.megaf.info 30003
13:24 MinetestBot minetest.megaf.info:30003 is up (747ms)
13:25 * Krock rewrote 1/2 of the whole u_skins mod...
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13:35 microcarrot a  hoy!
13:41 Krock ?
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14:00 Krock ack... too much u_skins updates, the github GUI takes ages
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14:05 kaeza that's why you use command line
14:05 Exio4 git pull Krock
14:06 Krock I've no idea of git command line
14:06 Exio4 people are like "we need more GUIs!"
14:06 Krock -^
14:06 Exio4 there is a small thing
14:06 Krock everywhere you need to enter commands, is a gui needed
14:07 Krock like chatcommands ingame - it needs a selection box
14:10 Exio4 typing a command is way faster than selecting a command with your mouse
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14:10 Krock depends on keyboard or touchscreen
14:10 Krock also on age
14:10 Krock Amaz_Notanother, don't lie. You're another guy
14:11 Exio4 Krock: w/ a touchscreen ... lets say if you normally have a touchscreen you either have an external keyboard, integrated keyboard+touchpad or nothing
14:11 Exio4 and we're talking about a whole different enviroment
14:12 Exio4 with touchscreen, typing is a pain in the ass and also is using a mouse
14:12 Krock whatever.. My option is to add a selection box.
14:12 Krock wait...using mouse to touch?
14:12 Krock ...
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14:12 Krock d..o....t...s...a.re.f.u..n.n..y
14:15 Krock kaeza, what's the command to pull or push -whatever- all changes to gitub?
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14:20 kaeza Krock, uhh... git push maybe?
14:20 kaeza (and git pull)
14:20 kaeza git push <remote> <branch>
14:20 reactor Фдмбчгнчзсне!
14:21 Exio4 wat
14:22 reactor That's Russian for "Hello!".
14:23 Krock kaeza, thanks. I noticed the fail I made - commited to wrong branch
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14:24 rubenwardy Hi all!
14:24 rubenwardy Hi all!
14:24 rubenwardy oops
14:24 kaeza hello rubenwardy
14:24 kaeza hello rubenwardy
14:24 kaeza :)
14:25 rubenwardy Excellent
14:25 Krock hi rubenwardy
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14:27 rubenwardy Krock, what is this meant to be showing? https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.ph​p?f=3&amp;t=156&amp;view=unread#p141615
14:27 Krock rubenwardy, that means how newer minetest servers handle leveldb
14:27 rubenwardy oh, ok
14:28 Krock rubenwardy, the 2nd image was before upgrading (and using a some-weeks-older version)
14:29 Krock that equals the situation after doing the backup
14:29 rubenwardy Are the labels the wrong way around?
14:29 Exio4 http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipe​dia/commons/9/9d/Circle-trig6.svg
14:30 Krock rubenwardy, what you mean?
14:30 rubenwardy In the post the first image is "before" the second image is "after". You just said the 2nd image is "before"
14:30 Krock Exio4, like chinese.
14:31 Krock rubenwardy, because the 2nd image is before upgrading and AFTER unzipping the bachupfule
14:31 Krock *backup
14:31 rubenwardy ok
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14:31 Krock well.. the bachup also contained the old exe..so it's not surprisinly
14:32 Krock ghrammahr failz
14:33 rubenwardy bach, like the music? XD
14:33 Krock it's nice to get tired
14:34 PilzAdam rubenwardy, bach is a composer, he's not "music"
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14:34 reactor batch processing
14:34 rubenwardy ...
14:35 PilzAdam rubenwardy, same as you are not code when programming
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14:35 rubenwardy ha, true
14:35 Krock https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YZUE4_PtOk0
14:35 Krock actual situation
14:35 Krock https://foo.om
14:35 rubenwardy !title
14:35 MinetestBot rubenwardy: Can't connect to https://foo.om
14:35 Krock :troll:
14:35 PilzAdam "Unfortunately, this video is not available in your country because it could contain music, for which we could not agree on conditions of use with GEMA. "
14:36 Krock lol
14:36 PilzAdam http://youtu.be/0FdNlhZAYBE
14:36 Krock !title
14:36 MinetestBot Krock: Johann Sebastian Bach (1685-1750) Violin Concertos - YouTube
14:38 Krock lol bug! can't minimize windows xp's updater :3
14:38 Krock 13 years old bug maybe
14:39 Megaf !up minetest.megaf.info 3000
14:40 MinetestBot minetest.megaf.info:3000 seems to be down
14:40 Megaf !up minetest.megaf.info 30000
14:40 MinetestBot minetest.megaf.info:30000 seems to be down
14:40 Krock ha-ha-ha.
14:40 Megaf NAT missing
14:40 Megaf later I will fix that
14:41 reactor !up щщщщщщщщщщ.рф 0
14:41 MinetestBot щщщщщщщщщщ.рф:0 seems to be down
14:41 reactor ...okay
14:41 * Krock must use the git gui again before he's gonna rage badly
14:41 rubenwardy Git command line is fun to use once you learn how to use it
14:42 Krock IF you want to learn it :3
14:42 rubenwardy I use the gui for most cases, cause I can't be bothered to open the terminal
14:42 Krock It throws me errors everytime and I don't like to google for everything. the gui can do that too
14:43 Krock my reason-^
14:43 rubenwardy It is as simple as:      git add .     git commit -m "message"      git push origin master
14:43 reactor Therefore, GUI is a kludge.
14:43 rubenwardy Make sure you have ~* in your .gitignore is you are using gedit
14:43 Krock did that too but the branches threw me errors
14:44 rubenwardy ah branches.
14:44 Krock how to use gedit under windows? motepad++ is much better
14:44 Krock *notepad
14:44 rubenwardy git checkout branch_name;  git add .;   git commit -m "message";  git push origin branch_name;
14:44 Krock thx, I'll try that one
14:45 rubenwardy yeah, notepad++ is much better. I mentioned that for JIC
14:45 rubenwardy I think it is "checkout"
14:45 rubenwardy yeah it is
14:46 Krock error: Your local changes to the following files would be overwritten by checkou
14:46 Krock blah blah
14:46 rubenwardy yeah
14:46 rubenwardy you need to be in the correct branch for editing
14:47 Krock I've got one folder with files in - I edit them - I upload them to banch XY - git needs more than just this..
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14:47 rubenwardy When you do checkout, it switches branch. Switching branch loads the code from that branch.
14:48 rubenwardy You need to copy your code to back it up, re-clone the repo, switch the branch, and then paste the code in
14:48 rubenwardy or commit to the current branch
14:48 rubenwardy * or just commit to the current branch
14:49 rubenwardy GUI is easier
14:49 Krock yup.
14:50 Krock damn this CLI, tells me something about fast forward or whatever. better wait 5 minutes for GUI instead of wasting 20 minutes on how-to-use-cli
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14:55 SoniEx2 does minetest support 8x8 textures?
14:55 Krock it supports all
14:55 Krock 0x0 not recommended
14:56 Krock 2^x preferred
14:56 Krock SoniEx2 -^
14:57 SoniEx2 also why's the clay brick texture 16x17?
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14:57 Krock good question. it also generates errors ingame.
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15:00 * Jordach groans in hunger
15:03 PilzAdam Jordach, protip(TM): eat
15:04 Jordach not helping - my internal clock is back a few hours
15:07 SoniEx2 Jordach, try sugar
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15:08 * Jordach finally gets around to installin Blender :D
15:10 Krock http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/laser_pointer.png
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15:14 Krock great.
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15:15 Krock wating 15 minutes to get a "GitHub has stopped working" error
15:15 Krock I love this world
15:18 rubenwardy weird 3d.xkcd.com/
15:18 rubenwardy * http://3d.xkcd.com/
15:21 Jordach Krock, you love Windows is your problem
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15:25 Krock Jordach, smoke this. https://github.com/SmallJoker/min​etest-u_skinsdb/tree/huge_rewrite
15:25 * Jordach prints it and uses it as a spliff paper
15:25 Jordach you told me to smoke it
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15:25 Krock yes. I told you. maybe you look down on the paper and saw what I made in ~30 mins
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15:25 Jordach i use my own skins system - which is working fine as is :)
15:25 Jordach brb - restartin
15:25 Krock Jordach, does it support the skinsdb?
15:25 Krock ok.
15:26 dynamodan does anyone have experience running minetest across a rdesktop or vnc connection?
15:27 dynamodan I've encountered this problem:
15:27 dynamodan http://forum.parallels.com/showthread.php?9​4590-Spinning-screen-in-games-in-mouse-look
15:27 dynamodan just wondering if anyone else has dealt with it
15:28 Krock check the VM settings
15:29 Exio4 you'd need to make the vnc connection/rdesktop "catch" the mouse
15:29 dynamodan exactly
15:30 dynamodan I'm running tigervnc server in my case
15:30 dynamodan I put in a ticket on sourceforge with them
15:30 dynamodan have tried all kinds of settings
15:30 dynamodan tried x2x and a few other things
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15:32 Megaf !up minetest.megaf.info 30002
15:32 MinetestBot minetest.megaf.info:30002 is up (565ms)
15:32 Jordach and fuck ubuntu
15:32 Jordach GAH
15:32 Jordach broke my FUCKING AMD DRIVERS AGAIN
15:33 dynamodan Jordach Radeon integrated video?  I have lots of problems with that too, on ubuntu 12.04 + Radeon 4200
15:34 dynamodan only the proprietary driver from amd works, and, I use a legacy one that they took down from their site
15:34 dynamodan v12.6.  They have v13 now and it doesn't work with the 4200
15:35 Jordach dynamodan, fun fact: Ubuntu update DESTROYS NON installed drivers installed via additional-drivers
15:35 dynamodan yup, I know it very well
15:35 Megaf Jordach: check out Alien world, normal minetest_game on a raspberry pi
15:35 dynamodan go through it every time the kernel gets updated
15:35 Megaf !up minetest.megaf.info 30002
15:35 MinetestBot minetest.megaf.info:30002 is up (439ms)
15:36 Megaf Sokomine: you visite that server too, but it was lagging, I fixed it now
15:36 Jordach fuck it
15:36 Jordach windows again and restored my boot to win 8 again
15:37 Megaf Told you to use Debian Wheezy
15:37 dynamodan I went to ubuntu about 4 years ago and havent looked back
15:37 Megaf the only Linux that actually works
15:37 Jordach and nuked
15:37 Jordach ubuntu partition nuked
15:37 Jordach and re-merged into my media drive
15:38 Megaf Jordach: told you Ubuntu is shit
15:39 dynamodan I lock my fglrx packages so the updater doesn't overwrite them
15:39 Artemis3 but in the end, amd is always trouble, always, they just don't care about linux.
15:40 dynamodan yeah it's been a pain I agree
15:40 Jordach still better than nVidia with drivers
15:40 reactor Anyone used slackware?
15:41 Artemis3 nvidia is basically plug and play, or apt-get install kernel-headers + nvidia-dkms in debian, or ticking the nvidia driver in ubuntu
15:41 reactor I heard it's the UNIX-est distribution. Is it?
15:41 Artemis3 the only problem where it might get a bit more difficult than that, is hardware newer than the driver your distro provides
15:41 dynamodan I have not used slackware.  my experience is limited to ubuntu, centos, and archlinux
15:42 Megaf reactor: no Linux is UNIX
15:42 Artemis3 but nvidia in linux is far more easy to use than amd
15:42 reactor Megaf: *rolls eyes* I know.
15:42 reactor Linux is a poor clone.
15:42 Megaf reactor: there are a couple of distros that tries to implement some things that looks like some UNIX
15:42 Megaf like Arch Linux
15:42 Megaf and Slackware
15:42 reactor That's what I'm talking about.
15:42 reactor Arch is not going the UNIX way.
15:43 reactor They've ditched init.
15:43 Artemis3 Linux Is Not UniX, you should have learned that first
15:43 reactor Oh my god, I do know that!
15:43 dynamodan I know nothing about UNIX.  Only that Linux is vaguely based on it or inspired by it
15:43 reactor I'm asking if there's any Linux that tries to be as close to UNIX as possible.
15:43 Megaf Linux is a clone of Minix
15:43 reactor Which in turn is a clone of UNIX.
15:43 Artemis3 unix is something that went into disuse in the 80ies, all that is left are unix like oses, or what they call them posix or such, i'd say the bsds are closer
15:44 Krock ['l','i','n','u','x'].compe​ar_with(['u','n','i','x']) -> found 1 wrong letter 'l'
15:44 Artemis3 No, Linux was made because Linus tried Minix and he tho it sucked and he would rather make it from scratch (Linux is a kernel, nothing else)
15:44 sfan5 meow
15:45 sfan5 hi everyone
15:45 reactor The userland quesion has been discussed many-many times.
15:45 * Megaf barks at sfan5
15:45 reactor "Linux" is shorter than "GNU/Linux", that's why we have what we have.
15:45 Artemis3 the userland was not Minix, but GNU instead
15:45 reactor ^
15:45 Megaf (friendly bark)
15:45 sfan5 Artemis3: linux was made because linus thought unix was too expensive IIRC
15:45 * sfan5 meows at Megaf
15:45 reactor sfan5: Minix*
15:46 * Jordach is finally happy
15:46 Artemis3 the SCO thing with a 250$ license AND because Minix sucked.
15:46 * sfan5 purrs at Jordach
15:46 Jordach finally got my Windows to be amplified as it used to be
15:46 Artemis3 it was before BSD had a free alternative
15:46 Megaf Unix still live on
15:46 sfan5 Jordach: are you still using linux?
15:46 Megaf OS X is UNIX
15:46 sfan5 no
15:46 Krock msdos for the win
15:46 Artemis3 there is no unix anywhere
15:47 sfan5 OS X is darwin which is based on BSD
15:47 Megaf gtg, later all
15:47 Artemis3 and Apple used parts of *BSD in any case and mach (another open kernel)
15:47 Jordach sfan5, https://cdn.mediacru.sh/l4oyzN50D4j-.png
15:48 reactor As for the original UNIX, there's OpenIndiana.
15:48 Jordach Ubuntu's App Updates nuked my AMD drivers :(
15:48 reactor It is also safe to call BSD UNIX, I think.
15:48 reactor Wasn't OSX forked from early-early FBSD?
15:48 Artemis3 also you are not to judge linux because a couple of distros don't satisfy your expectations, not with hundreds of them.
15:49 sfan5 Jordach: don't use ubuntu, use kubuntu or xubunut
15:49 sfan5 xubuntu*
15:49 sfan5 ubuntu is shit
15:49 sfan5 (atleast the one with unity)
15:49 Krock <offtopic><do.not.click> https://forum.minetest.net/vi​ewtopic.php?p=141622#p141622 </do.not.click></offtopic>
15:49 Artemis3 and you can't judge linux because certain piece of proprietary hardware does not work properly with it because the manufacturer doesn't care.
15:49 reactor Hardware vendors are cheap assholes, as mentioned before.
15:50 Artemis3 nvidia might be bad, but nvidia cares, and their drivers show. intel is best if you want open source
15:50 reactor There is no DEC, and you can't really buy small systems from IBM anymore.
15:50 reactor NVIDIA cares?
15:50 reactor There are exploits no fixed for years!
15:50 reactor not*
15:50 Artemis3 at least the graphics part works
15:51 sfan5 !title
15:51 MinetestBot sfan5: [Mod] Unified_Inventory Skins [u_skins] - Minetest Forums
15:51 Artemis3 which is what gpus are meant for...
15:51 reactor Nobody cares about security. Not even OpenSSL developers.
15:51 sfan5 ^
15:51 reactor Theo called them "unresponsible" for a reason.
15:51 Artemis3 use libressl then
15:51 sfan5 use gnutls
15:51 reactor They only start caring about it the times someone gets royally fucked in the ass.
15:52 reactor Next week it all fades away yet again.
15:52 Artemis3 i always tell people don't bother with linux with amd graphics, get nvidia or intel first.
15:52 reactor NVIDIA is the least of evils, I'd agree.
15:52 reactor At least it works reliably.
15:53 Artemis3 it just works and thats important
15:53 Artemis3 well if you can get a new intel with integrated gpu it also works
15:53 Artemis3 so there is two choices
15:53 reactor system board?
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15:54 Artemis3 the gpu is actually inside cpu nowdays, the mobo may or may not provide the required port
15:55 reactor What is the processor inquestion called?
15:55 reactor Something Bridge?
15:55 Artemis3 yes, those
15:56 Jordach !tell BlockMen update yer fecking windows build - it's out of date again
15:56 MinetestBot Jordach: I'll pass that on when BlockMen is around
15:56 sfan5 Artemis3: some motherboards still have a gfx card on them
15:56 reactor I heard they don't work reliably on FBSD.
15:56 sfan5 reactor: South Bridge?
15:56 reactor No.
15:56 reactor The chip codename.
15:56 Artemis3 ie. Sandybridge
15:56 sfan5 Haswell? ... ^ that
15:56 Artemis3 i have one of those
15:56 Artemis3 i2500
15:56 Artemis3 i5
15:57 reactor Ah, it's actually supported there.
15:57 Artemis3 yes
15:57 * sfan5 has an i5 cpu if anyone cares
15:57 * Krock has a Intel Celeron CPU is anyone cares
15:57 Artemis3 don't get the very latest latest thing if you want proper support get one generation behind the leading edge
15:58 Artemis3 it always takes a bit of time for projects to add and test support (and distro to test and package stuff)
15:58 Artemis3 and with proprietary you have to wait for them to do that job (ie. nvidia)
15:58 reactor ...and M$ catch up to it because they have information before it's released?
15:59 sfan5 yes
15:59 reactor up with*
15:59 reactor don't have to catch up with*
15:59 reactor I mean.
15:59 Artemis3 because they make the drivers inhouse even before the product is shipped
16:00 Artemis3 M$ doesn't really get drivers of new products either, the ones they have is for already in the market stuff
16:00 Artemis3 and they even test them a bit before bundling them in their "distro"
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16:16 BlockMen !tell Jordach, build it yourself if you cant wait. i dont provide builds that are not useable
16:16 MinetestBot BlockMen: I'll pass that on when Jordach, is around
16:16 Megaf reactor: OS X is the sun of NeXT Step
16:17 Megaf hm
16:17 Megaf wront spelling of sun
16:17 reactor Сун
16:17 Megaf wrong*
16:17 Krock BlockMen: n when "Jordach," is aroun
16:17 reactor wrong spelling of wrong
16:17 Megaf I don't know how to spell that
16:17 Megaf whatever
16:18 BlockMen Krock, huh?
16:18 Krock BlockMen, it'll send a message to Jordach,
16:19 Krock not sure if you really mean the name with comma at the end
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16:19 MinetestBot Calinou: 05-04 21:57 UTC <Jordach> apparently the crafting for golden arrows is duplicated
16:19 Calinou hi
16:19 MinetestBot Calinou: 05-11 18:53 UTC <Krock> http://www.srware.net/en/software_srware_iron.php
16:19 BlockMen damn bot
16:19 BlockMen !tell Jordach build it yourself if you cant wait. i dont provide builds that are not useable
16:19 MinetestBot BlockMen: I'll pass that on when Jordach is around
16:20 Krock hi Calinou
16:20 Calinou Krock, “source or GTFO!”
16:21 Calinou (I have yet to find their source code)
16:21 Calinou (and it sounds like it's proprietary)
16:21 Krock (It's thrustful anyway)
16:22 Exio4 how was your game called Calinou
16:23 Krock (Carbone)
16:23 Exio4 kk
16:23 Exio4 thankz
16:23 Krock ninja'd?
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16:26 Calinou Krock, proprietary software can't be trusted
16:27 Calinou !tell Jordach yes, flipped recipes are available for intuitiveness.
16:27 MinetestBot Calinou: I'll pass that on when Jordach is around
16:28 Krock !tell Calinou the end product counts, not the innards
16:28 MinetestBot Krock: I'll pass that on when Calinou is around
16:29 Exio4 it does count
16:29 Calinou it does matter on the end product
16:29 MinetestBot Calinou: 05-14 16:27 UTC <Krock> the end product counts, not the innards
16:29 Calinou proprietary software is insecure by design
16:29 Calinou (security and privacy are quite linked anyway)
16:30 Krock I've got an antivirus and anti-spyware software for that + my humanity
16:30 Calinou this doesn't help you (oh, and they're also likely proprietary)
16:30 Exio4 antivirus? is your antivirus opensource?
16:30 Exio4 and lol anti-spyware
16:30 Calinou very unlikely 8)
16:30 Krock Exio4, know one hich is opensource?
16:30 Krock *which
16:30 Calinou (also, anti-viruses are useless, to not say they're viruses in themselves)
16:30 Exio4 clamav
16:30 Calinou ClamAV, but this one is only a virus scanner
16:31 Calinou you can't call it a fully featured anti-virus and even less a “security suite”
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16:31 Krock even. Not a full protection
16:31 Calinou it's a better idea to be careful and stop using an AV
16:31 Calinou (yes, even on Windows)
16:31 Exio4 what is a full protection?
16:31 Calinou (another reason to use an up-to-date Windows)
16:31 BlockMen Calinou:, lol.
16:31 BlockMen being carefull does not protect against viruses
16:31 * Exio4 slaps BlockMen with a wild comma
16:31 Calinou it does
16:31 Krock Exio4, offline PC's somewhere in middle of australia
16:31 Calinou most viruses are web attacks
16:31 Calinou avoidable with AdBlock (yes) and WOT (or similar)
16:31 Krock *i mean south pole :)
16:31 * BlockMen throws a blank to Exio4
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16:32 BlockMen Calinou, no
16:32 BlockMen really bad idea on win not using av
16:32 Exio4 why
16:32 * Krock got av - avg antivirus haha how funny.
16:33 BlockMen drive by?
16:33 * Krock things it's _very_ funny. totally. really.
16:33 BlockMen there is even being "careful" not helping
16:33 Calinou I did it; didn't have a particular issue (eg. excessive disk/bandwidth/CPU usage)
16:33 Calinou really, the AV sellers are selling (proprietary) FUD
16:33 Calinou it's their main business and they even admit it sometimes
16:34 BlockMen Calinou, any proves for what you calim here?
16:34 Exio4 i don't see any for what you said either
16:34 BlockMen *claim
16:34 Calinou task manager.
16:34 Calinou reality.
16:34 Krock Yummy that applestrowel was perfekt
16:34 BlockMen 4,6MB ram
16:34 BlockMen its a killer...
16:35 Exio4 the few systems I left with an antivirus and the few I left without, all needed a reboot after four months of usage by any normal person in my city
16:35 Exio4 s/reboot/format/
16:36 Exio4 re-start, whatever
16:36 BlockMen ^ clean install?
16:36 Exio4 clean install
16:36 Exio4 installed and left for them
16:37 BlockMen Exio4, and that help just a bit. most ppl copy all files back and the virues aswell then
16:37 Exio4 i made the backup and removed all .exe and .dlls from them
16:38 Exio4 (basically, moved all of them to some directory)
16:38 BlockMen since virues are always ending with "*exe" and *.dll??
16:38 * BlockMen facepalms
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16:38 MinetestBot Jordach: 05-14 16:27 UTC <Calinou> yes, flipped recipes are available for intuitiveness.
16:39 Krock there are also virusses by 12 years old in *.bat files :3
16:39 Calinou hi Jordach
16:39 Jordach BlockMen, bluescreened D:
16:39 Exio4 BlockMen: why would something that isn't an executable run untrusted code?
16:39 Calinou the first thing you should do after getting Windows is showing file extensions
16:39 Calinou this will avoid you a lot of trouble
16:39 Exio4 (executable or library)
16:40 Exio4 inb4 autorun.ini
16:40 Krock Protip: *.scr is also an executable, like *.com
16:40 Jordach BlockMen, just *any* developer build will do that's either today or yesterday
16:40 Exio4 screensavers and older binaries?
16:40 Krock ^-yes
16:40 Exio4 yeah, they too
16:41 BlockMen Calinou, helps only for the harmless stuff
16:41 Exio4 i have seen a few scr downloaded though
16:41 Amaz What about viruses embedded in a word document or the like?
16:41 Exio4 Amaz: word document? macros?
16:41 Calinou no, it can actually help you against viruses
16:41 Exio4 the user must accept running them; user's fault
16:41 Calinou how about holidays.jpg.exe…
16:41 Amaz Yep. Are they still around?
16:41 Calinou <Amaz> What about viruses embedded in a word document or the like?
16:41 Calinou stop using Word
16:42 BlockMen Calinou, thats just the most easy way to provide a virus
16:42 Calinou (they also aren't really around these days, if you get your files only from good sources)
16:42 Amaz <Calinou> stop using Word
16:42 Exio4 "good sources"
16:42 Amaz Good idea!
16:42 Calinou I'm serious.
16:42 Calinou it'll help more people than just you
16:42 Exio4 BlockMen: tell me a hardest way to get a virus then
16:43 Amaz Yep. I toataly agree.
16:43 Exio4 Calinou: +1
16:43 Exio4 i need to agree w/ that
16:44 BlockMen Exio4, i cant tell you the "hardest way" since i dont know it. but creating a driveby virus is harder than providing an "virus.jpg.exe"
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16:46 Exio4 ehm
16:46 Exio4 wouldn't a driveby "virus" be user's fault
16:47 BlockMen Exio4, and how do you protect yourself against driveby viruses?
16:48 Krock https://forum.minetest.net/vi​ewtopic.php?p=141626#p141626    <3
16:48 Exio4 running scripts only from trusted sources, and don't pressing accept to everything you get on screen
16:49 Calinou BlockMen, on the web? AdBlock, /etc/hosts file (someonewhocares.org/hosts), WOT
16:49 Calinou and using a safe browser
16:50 Megaf How the heck word manages to run a virus from a text file?
16:51 BlockMen Exio4, Calinou, and what about hacked websites that are marked "trustable"?
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16:56 Calinou too unlikely to happen
16:56 Calinou WOT is not stupid
16:57 BlockMen ^ lol
16:57 BlockMen but av are
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17:19 blaise so this mod here https://github.com/ShadowNinja/minete​st-irc_commands/blob/master/init.lua is just to run commands to the server with the irc mod ?
17:20 blaise Calinou: noscript and adblock helps a lot
17:37 MinetestBot GIT: maciej.kasatkin@o2.pl commited to minetest/minetest: Map irrlicht log level to minetest. Allow write them to debug file. c8a99404e8 2014-05-14T19:30:39+02:00 http://git.io/kpgTeQ
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18:12 rubenwardy I use WOT
18:13 sfan5 rubenwardy: u wot m8
18:13 rubenwardy ha
18:14 rubenwardy HA! Silly me. Responding to a message that was sent an hour and twenty ish ago
18:14 sfan5 ?
18:16 john_minetest I got no adblock but I got no ads.
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18:17 john_minetest noscript + requestpolicy block pretty much everything.
18:17 john_minetest I use them in whitelist mode.
18:18 SoniEx2 why's this texture 16x17: https://github.com/minetest/minetest_game/blob/ma​ster/mods/default/textures/default_clay_brick.png
18:18 SoniEx2 and who should I ping about it?
18:18 SoniEx2 ShadowNinja, ?
18:21 Calinou minetest_game is brozen
18:21 Calinou frozen*
18:21 Calinou lol I was about to write “krozen”
18:21 SoniEx2 it's broken
18:22 Amaz Does frozen include frozen from bugfixes?
18:22 sfan5 Amaz: no
18:23 Amaz Okay.
18:24 CraigyDavi It's just frozen from new features
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18:41 CraigyDavi Moontest developemnt screenshot: http://i.imgur.com/JWXAvYL.png
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18:42 sfan5 CraigyDavi: y u no use https://mediacru.sh ?
18:43 VanessaE CraigyDavi: what, no HDX shown there? :P
18:43 VanessaE (not that you can really see it in the dark ;) )
18:44 CraigyDavi sfan5, My screenshotting tool uses imgur to upload them to.
18:44 sfan5 don't use that tool
18:44 CraigyDavi VanessaE, Moontest dust now glows so its slightly easier to see
18:44 sfan5 or ask the dev to add mediacrush support
18:45 VanessaE CraigyDavi: no need to make it glow, just be sure you set the initial time of day to something reasonable like 4:30 AM or so
18:45 VanessaE and change the default minimum light setting
18:46 VanessaE I believe that can be done with a mod now
18:46 CraigyDavi Ok maybe ill change the time of day
18:46 VanessaE the day-night light ratio can be changed, as I recall
18:46 Jordach interesting fact
18:46 Jordach you can stick the time to something like 0.0004 in minetest.conf found in the game folder
18:49 Jordach and that should make time go a lot slower
18:54 MegAFK Yay! Hte most laggy servers runs on my raspberry Pi! http://servers.minetest.net/
18:55 Krock dude, afk guys can't talk. they're afk.
18:55 Jordach i just realised this nick
18:55 Jordach /nick JordAFK
18:56 Krock MegAFK, Arsdragonfly's server beats you
18:57 Krock OMGLMAOROTFPMPHTB
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18:57 CraigyDavi sfan5, Just found a replacement: http://getsharex.com/ Free! open source! mediacrush support! Wow!
18:58 * sfan5 meows at CraigyDavi approvingly
18:58 Megaf man, lag 7000
18:58 Megaf gows that even possible?
18:58 Megaf is that a 386?
18:58 Amaz 7 seconds?
18:58 blaise hrmmmm
18:59 Megaf I wish server.minetest.net updated faster
18:59 Megaf sfan5: how good is duckdns?
18:59 sfan5 very good
18:59 Megaf any better than no-ip?
19:00 blaise Megaf: your insite on pipeworks wasn't very helpful
19:00 Megaf no?
19:00 Megaf how so?
19:00 Krock http://www.dnsdynamic.org/ for the win
19:01 blaise all I need to know is filters take items and pipes bring items?
19:01 blaise then what's a pump for?
19:02 sfan5 Megaf: https://duckdns.org is the best
19:02 CraigyDavi ShareX is amazing :O
19:02 Megaf blaise: pipes bring items and put them inside something
19:02 Megaf blaise: or drop them on the floor
19:02 blaise I'm wanting to pump water into a building
19:02 Megaf ah
19:02 Megaf use water pipes then
19:02 Megaf and a pump
19:02 blaise so I need to submerge the pump?
19:02 Megaf nope
19:02 blaise and I need a spiket?
19:02 Megaf yep
19:03 blaise will this be source water that forms?
19:03 blaise or just water flow ?
19:03 Megaf it will behave like a water wource
19:03 blaise hrmm
19:03 * Megaf is quite happy with no-ip
19:04 blaise so I guess I'll have to use a bucket to transport source water
19:05 blaise I'm wanting an infinity pool attached to my building that has a waterfall..
19:06 Jordach why is forum search fucking retarded
19:06 Jordach legit question
19:06 Amaz It is.
19:06 Megaf is it?
19:07 Amaz I have begun to use search term site:https://forum.minetest.net in google now. Much better.
19:07 Megaf Jordach: just use advanced search, OR go to google and type there. 'thing to search' site:http://forum.minetest.net/
19:07 Megaf Amaz: :)
19:07 Megaf blaise: you can use pipeing for that
19:09 * dynamodan thinks google just got rediscovered
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19:10 CraigyDavi Download ShareX everyone, look at dis: https://mediacru.sh/17f9kCYuQwuI.png Advanced screenshotting :)
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19:10 CraigyDavi And you can even capture gifs :D
19:11 Piggybear87 Anyone know of any free server hosting sites?
19:12 sfan5 server = ?
19:12 Piggybear87 Minetest server hosting sites.
19:12 Krock Piggybear87, that's called virtual server
19:12 CraigyDavi Such mediacrush support, very open source, much advanced screenshoting, such gif capturing, wow
19:12 CraigyDavi Piggybear87, None such exists
19:12 Megaf Piggybear87: I could host for you, but it woul be slow as heck
19:13 Piggybear87 I have found quite a few for friggen MineCraft... But none for Minetest.
19:13 Piggybear87 Megaf, I could host if I wanted it slow. Lmao.
19:14 Megaf Piggybear87: just get a VPS
19:14 Piggybear87 About how much is one?
19:14 Piggybear87 Average*
19:14 Krock I host my server on an older laptop - in hopes for less voltage usage than newest ultra gaming pc
19:15 Piggybear87 Krock, My PC is a dumpster build. I have 2.70 ghz single core and <1 gb of DDR...
19:16 sfan5 Krock: less voltage use? what?
19:16 sfan5 do you mean energy?
19:16 Krock sfan5, right. watt. not volt
19:16 Krock Piggybear87, dual core 1.8 ghz, 2gb ram :)
19:17 Piggybear87 Yeah, exactly... Lol.
19:17 Krock (even better than the pc i'm playing mt on) lol i'm dump
19:17 Krock *dumb
19:17 sfan5 Piggybear87: https://www.digitalocean.com/
19:17 sfan5 I've hears it's very good
19:17 sfan5 heard*
19:17 * sfan5 meows
19:18 Piggybear87 Ok, now I need a minimum of 20 bucks a month... Lol.
19:19 Jordach i can easily make that for myself, but others
19:19 Piggybear87 Lol or 640 bucks a month.
19:20 Piggybear87 $ 640 / mo
19:20 Piggybear87 64GBMemory
19:20 Piggybear87 20 CoreProcessor
19:20 Piggybear87 640GBSSD Disk
19:20 Piggybear87 9TBTransfer
19:20 Piggybear87 was kicked by ShadowBot: Message flood detected.
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19:20 Piggybear87 ...
19:20 sfan5 Piggybear87: the smallest digitalocean instace should be enough for a not-too-big minetest server
19:20 reactor 6pwned
19:20 Piggybear87 I hate you ShadowBot
19:21 Krock <3 ShadowBot
19:21 ShadowBot 04♥ Krock.
19:21 blaise Megaf: how?
19:22 reactor If you hate ShadowBot long, ShadowBot also hates you.
19:22 blaise Megaf: do I need lots of piping?? or will one do the job?
19:22 Piggybear87 </3 ShadowBot
19:22 sfan5 <3 MinetestBot
19:22 MinetestBot <3 sfan5
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19:25 * Jordach works on the amazing sickle
19:25 Jordach extreme grass cutting :D
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19:25 * sfan5 purrs at Jordach
19:25 * sfan5 puts a kitten on Jordach's head
19:25 Jordach :3
19:26 sfan5 :3
19:26 BlockMen these cats again...
19:26 Piggybear87 sfan5, yocats.com/free-vps/   Not bad specs for free.
19:26 BlockMen *husch*
19:26 * sfan5 flips BlockMen
19:26 Megaf blaise: one pump/pipe line per water source you want
19:26 Calinou LOL air dungeon spawned on a tree, ralls from from it
19:26 * BlockMen let the dogs out
19:26 BlockMen ^^
19:27 Megaf blaise: piping gives you a water source you can turn off
19:27 Megaf and move
19:27 sfan5 Piggybear87: probably a scam, that hardware is too good to be given away
19:27 Piggybear87 Maybe...
19:27 sfan5 Piggybear87: compare http://www.yocats.com/free-vps/ & http://www.yocats.com/policy.htm
19:27 Calinou 2014 © YoCats , Free Unlimited Hosting , Free VPS , VPS Hosting , Free Domain Name , free vpn , Speedtest , Bandwidth , Free Unlimited Space Disk , Easy Ways to Make Money , How to Make Money Fast.
19:27 Calinou 100% legit
19:28 Calinou (sarcasm)
19:28 blaise Megaf: yes, but it wont be "still" water.. right?
19:28 Calinou the Twitter link points to their site
19:28 Piggybear87 Ah, gotcha...
19:28 blaise and it will probably not fill my pool
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19:29 blaise Megaf: maybe it would be better if you could look at what I'm trying to attempt
19:29 Megaf blaise: it behaves like water source, so it wont fill the poll
19:29 blaise Megaf: my server is midnightsystems.net
19:29 Megaf you will need several pipes
19:29 Calinou https://cdn.mediacru.sh/lobqT8DtxnGZ.jpg
19:29 Megaf blaise: Im working now, in a couple of hours I will join your server ok?
19:30 Megaf Calinou: floating dangeon?
19:30 Megaf oops
19:30 Megaf image still loading here
19:30 Calinou yeah
19:31 Megaf ok, thats an interesting dangeon
19:31 Calinou generated on a tree
19:31 * Calinou applauses
19:31 Calinou dungeon gen manages to be funny
19:31 Calinou unlike Minecraft's
19:32 Megaf Miecraft? what is that?
19:32 Megaf Minetecraft*
19:32 Calinou Minceraft.
19:33 Megaf II give up
19:34 * Jordach can't remember how to feed a table to a minetest.remove_node()
19:35 Jordach eg. {x=pos.x, y=pos.y, z=pos.z}
19:36 sfan5 wat
19:36 sfan5 if you do {x=pos.x, y=pos.y, z=pos.z} you could use pos directly
19:36 blaise Megaf: okay, sounds good
19:37 Jordach sfan5, i want to modify the numbers with for loop[s
19:37 Jordach eg, pos.x-x1
19:38 sfan5 then it makes sense
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19:39 markveidemanis Hi
19:39 markveidemanis Would it be possible to alter the IRC mod to connect individual users to irc?
19:39 markveidemanis Through say, an IRC bouncer
19:40 sfan5 why would you do that
19:40 blaise lol
19:40 sfan5 you can usually only have like 2 connections to an irc server with the same ip
19:40 markveidemanis Works fine for my bouncer
19:40 markveidemanis About 5
19:40 sfan5 uh
19:41 john_minetest ummm...
19:41 Jordach bouncers are 1 connection
19:41 Jordach except multiples can be attached to the bouncer
19:41 sfan5 you do know that 5 connections to the bouncer get compacted into 1 by the bouncer again?
19:41 Jordach getting partially pst it
19:41 Jordach ninja'd
19:42 markveidemanis Well the same can be easily done for minetest with a very simple send script
19:43 sfan5 what?
19:43 markveidemanis The server could query ZNC and create a user for the connecting player, and send all the player's text through that
19:43 Jordach er
19:44 Jordach https://github.com/kaeza/minetest-irc/
19:44 Jordach markveidemanis, have you learned to actually look around
19:44 Jordach or does those arms that power the wheelchair busted
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19:44 sfan5 markveidemanis: what benefits does that have?
19:44 markveidemanis That's the mod I was referring to
19:45 markveidemanis Individual user names, [apparently] still one connection
19:45 sfan5 yes
19:45 sfan5 and no
19:45 sfan5 it would be multiple connections
19:45 sfan5 but I don't think many IRC networks allow 15 connections from the same IP
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19:47 VanessaE Inchra's limit is 3 or 4 I think (mine's raised to like 10 or something just below that, since I have several servers)
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19:49 Megaf Hi Vazon
19:49 Megaf Vazon: VanessaE: I fixed my server
19:49 VanessaE oh yeah?
19:49 Megaf VanessaE: I setn you a memo
19:49 VanessaE what was broken?
19:51 Vazon great
19:51 Vazon and hi Megaf :D
19:52 VanessaE I didn't get the memo
19:52 Megaf VanessaE: max_simultaneous_block_sends_per_client =
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19:52 VanessaE what did you set it to?
19:52 Megaf that thing is what was using the CPU when server was sending map data to clients when walking or looking around
19:53 Megaf it turns out if I set that to 8+ it begins to use more CPU, and 16 make the world stop loading and 8+ seconds lag
19:53 VanessaE Megaf: that means your network device on your platform is slow
19:53 Megaf so I set that to 4 and now theres no lag at all, not on CPU side at least
19:53 VanessaE probably CPU-bound
19:53 VanessaE (rather than DMA-capable)
19:53 Megaf VanessaE: indeed
19:54 VanessaE this isn't minetest at fault, this is hardware or your OS's drivers
19:54 Megaf VanessaE: both Raspberry Pi and ODroid use USB NICs
19:54 VanessaE ew.
19:54 VanessaE wait a minute
19:54 VanessaE I thought RPi had an onboard 10/100 NIC?
19:54 Megaf not minetest fault nor ARM
19:54 Megaf VanessaE: attached using USB
19:54 * Jordach bets $5 that it's USB 1.0 NIC
19:54 VanessaE oh G*d
19:55 VanessaE no wonder it's so bad
19:55 Megaf VanessaE: and thats why my desktop could handle that, I have an Intel PCI NIC
19:55 Megaf so it doesnt really matters much the simultaneous blocks per second
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19:56 VanessaE uep
19:56 VanessaE yep
19:56 VanessaE with a PC and a good NIC, you set that setting nice and high
19:56 VanessaE 200-500 is good.
19:56 VanessaE but with that USB NIC...well..  ouch. :)
19:57 VanessaE Jordach: I won't take that bet, because you're probably right :P
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19:58 VanessaE I'm a little surprised that the network stack in Minetest isn't running in its own thread though.  you'd get a little more performance out of that platform in such a case.
19:58 VanessaE if you could push a second core to 100% with good network settings while the rest of minetest runs at its usual CPU load, I mean
19:58 Megaf yep
19:59 Megaf but as we now, minetest is not multithreaded
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19:59 * Megaf looks at sapier
19:59 VanessaE not as much as we'd like it to be, no
19:59 sapier usb nics?
20:00 * Vazon waves to sapier
20:00 VanessaE sapier: yeah
20:00 sapier hello
20:00 VanessaE an onboard USB-interfaced NIC was the cause of 100% minetest CPU usage
20:00 * Jordach made a seriously leaky sickle that cuts in a 3x3 area
20:00 Megaf The Raspberry Pi Model B is equipped with two USB2.0 ports. These are connected to the LAN9512 combo hub/Ethernet chip IC3, which is itself a USB device connected to the single upstream USB port on BCM2835.
20:00 Megaf On the Model A, the single USB2.0 port is directly wired to BCM2835.
20:01 Megaf http://www.raspberrypi.org/documen​tation/hardware/raspberrypi/usb.md
20:02 sapier what's the maximum bandwith this is able to handle ? generic not minetest data
20:02 sapier hello Vazon
20:02 VanessaE sapier: so minetest's network stack, if moved into a separate, independent thread that does not block, nor is blocked by the rest of the server, could partially solve megaf's performance issue on that platform.
20:02 * Jordach thinks it's ~10mb/s
20:02 Jordach upto 30mb/s
20:02 VanessaE Jordach: I would guess not eben that much.
20:02 VanessaE even*
20:02 sapier VanessaE: that's what I already did
20:02 Jordach VanessaE, my USB Flash does around 10mb/s
20:02 VanessaE sapier: seems not, everything still stays on one core.
20:02 Vazon Hi
20:02 Megaf brb, I will test how fast can those NICs be
20:02 sapier network threads are not connected to server thread
20:03 sapier well despite of their communication queue
20:03 VanessaE sapier: maybe some extra code is needed to allow the OS to properly migrate processes to free cores?
20:03 VanessaE seems like Megaf's platform ties the USB devices to one specific core or something.
20:03 sapier actually os is supposed to do this on it's own if not it's a os bug
20:04 VanessaE anyway, gotta run, back in an hour or so.
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20:05 sapier there's one thing to improve, the communication queues are no lockfree queues, we don't have something like that by now. this could help, but if cpu is overloaded it's hard to do some magic to get more power
20:06 * Jordach sighs
20:06 Jordach that fucking sickle!
20:06 sapier megaf every little piece of information about your hardware setup make me even more think this is basically a hw issue
20:06 sapier ;-)
20:06 Jordach i only want it to dig on one layer (may also check of leaf_decay exists so it doesnt work)
20:06 sapier usb nics are known to be quite cpu intensive
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20:08 sapier I'll think about a way to improove it anyway but that's a quite hard setup I can't promise anything
20:08 Megaf sapier: one core is overloaded
20:08 Megaf and 3 cores totally idle
20:08 sapier what's scheduling policy?
20:09 sapier can you do a "top -h <pid>" ?
20:09 sapier "top -H <pid>"
20:09 sapier we'd see what thread is overloading that cpu
20:09 sapier in case it is really minetest
20:11 Megaf sapier: not -h nor -H
20:11 Megaf usage:  top -hv | -bcHiSs -d delay -n limit -u|U user | -p pid[,pid] -w [cols]
20:11 sapier busybox top?
20:12 Megaf ok, ServerThread uses almost 100% sometimes
20:12 Megaf just short peaks
20:12 Megaf at least now
20:13 Megaf ok, we need people to join the server and walk around
20:13 Megaf minetest.megaf.info 30003
20:13 sapier did you get top -H work? (or equivalent)
20:13 Megaf sapier: I just did top -H
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20:13 sapier without pid?
20:14 Megaf yep
20:14 sapier and it does show all threads?
20:14 Megaf ConnectionSed ConnectionReic ServerThread
20:15 Megaf you know there are two kind of threads right?
20:15 sapier ok seems to ... I hate undocumented features, I once wrote a shell script to do this because of missing -H on android
20:15 Megaf theres one kind that is only on the kernel level, and cant be used on several CPUs
20:15 Megaf and the one that can be use in several CPUs
20:16 Megaf http://en.wikipedia.org/wik​i/Thread_(computing)#Models
20:17 sapier linux is usually nptl
20:17 Megaf but it feels like minetest is user level
20:17 sapier thus each thread is supposed to be scheduled independently
20:18 sapier no
20:18 sapier you wouldn't see different threads in top -H
20:18 Megaf I see it switching cores yes
20:18 sapier and minetest is able to use different cores on pc
20:18 sapier so maybe we've got a architecture specific issue in your case
20:19 Megaf http://paste.debian.net/99565/
20:19 sapier what glibc is you pi running at?
20:19 Megaf sapier: my server where I complain about things is not a raspberry...
20:19 Megaf its an odroid, an ARM board with 4 ARM cores at 2,1 GHz
20:19 Megaf and 2 GB of DDR 3 RAM
20:20 sapier ok so arm android?
20:20 sapier odroid
20:20 sapier ok lets see what odroid is using
20:20 cisoun Calinou: o/
20:21 sapier did you build against glibc or bionic?
20:21 Megaf no idea
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20:24 Megaf VanessaE: do you still have those cmake pastes from yesterday?
20:27 Megaf sapier: does this tells anything? http://paste.debian.net/99392/
20:28 sapier sadly no ... can you do a ldd <minetest binary>
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20:30 sapier ahh ... there's a parameter for pthread on android changeing how threads are scheduled, basicaly changing behaviour from kernel to user level threads
20:31 Calinou hi cisoun
20:31 sapier most likely you don't use glibc with nptl in your setup
20:31 Calinou cisoun, #minetest-fr
20:31 Megaf sapier: its not android... its Debian Wheezy
20:31 Calinou anyway, you can ask on the forum and on IRC about your graphic issue ;)
20:31 Megaf http://paste.debian.net/99568/
20:31 sapier thought you use odroid?
20:32 sapier ok /lib/arm-linux-gnueabihf seems to be glibx
20:32 Megaf ok
20:33 Megaf sapier: odroid is a computer name, like presario or contura or mac pro, its brand is hardkernel
20:33 sapier well that does make my suggested explanation less likely but debian could've changed default too
20:33 Megaf odroid can run Fedora, Arch, Debian, Ubuntu and Android
20:34 Megaf Linux version 3.0.68 (karlo@karloh) (gcc version 4.7.3 20130102 (prerelease) (crosstool-NG linaro-1.13.1-4.7-2013.01-20130125 - Linaro GCC 2013.01) ) #1 SMP Mon Mar 18 17:45:18 PDT 2013
20:34 Megaf Linux version 3.0.68 (karlo@karloh) (gcc version 4.7.3 20130102 (prerelease) (crosstool-NG linaro-1.13.1-4.7-2013.01-20130125 - Linaro GCC 2013.01) ) #1 SMP Mon Mar 18 17:45:18 PDT 2013
20:35 sapier "Linux supports PTHREAD_SCOPE_SYSTEM, but        not PTHREAD_SCOPE_PROCESS." well forget about my idea
20:37 Vazon VanessaE how do you gusy get a picture of your hole map?
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20:37 Megaf Vazon: minetest-mapper-cpp
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20:38 CraigyDavi Link: https://github.com/minetest/minetestmapper
20:38 Vazon kk
20:39 Calinou Vazon, https://forum.minetest.net/v​iewtopic.php?f=14&amp;t=8730
20:39 Calinou can be nice too
20:41 SoniEx2 is there a #minetest-modding or something?
20:41 Megaf yes
20:41 Megaf SoniEx2: its #Minetest
20:41 SoniEx2 oh?
20:42 SoniEx2 meh :/
20:42 Amaz But it's mostly dead. #minetest-mods
20:42 SoniEx2 meh :/
20:42 CraigyDavi SoniEx2, it's #minetest-mods
20:42 CraigyDavi ninja'd
20:42 Megaf SoniEx2: we talk about mods here
20:43 SoniEx2 what about writing mods?
20:44 SoniEx2 meh I'm gonna try both chans and see what happens
20:44 SoniEx2 I need a way to texture a cube/node based on the world around it
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20:47 SoniEx2 and yeah, that's what this issue is about: https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/1299
21:01 SoniEx2 so anyone?
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21:10 sapier SoniEx2: I assume PilzAdam did already say what was to say. it's a feature requireing lots of work to be done before you can even think about implementing it ... don't expect it to be done before 2016 (if you don't do it yourself or pay someone to do it of course)
21:11 SoniEx2 sapier, is there a workaround?
21:11 sapier no
21:11 zsoltisawesome to what?
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21:11 SoniEx2 like registering over 9000 blocks or something?
21:11 sapier that's not a workaround but a way to kill your server ;-P
21:12 SoniEx2 meh :/
21:12 sapier btw I assume some things have to be done by mod authors themselfs ;-) e.g. programm their mods ;-)
21:12 SoniEx2 is it that hard to make the rendering engine take a function instead of a string for textures?
21:13 SoniEx2 (where the function takes a world, a node, etc and returns a string)
21:13 sapier yes especially as of security point of view
21:13 SoniEx2 sapier, uhh why?
21:13 sapier sending executable code from server to client is a thing you have to think about more then twice prior implementing it
21:14 SoniEx2 sapier, and how is using a function that returns texture strings = sending code from server to client?
21:15 sapier how to ensure that only this function is sent?
21:15 sapier you could send anything else too
21:15 SoniEx2 you send the return string
21:15 SoniEx2 or error if it's not a string
21:15 zsoltisawesome anyone wanna be a Moontest dev?
21:16 sapier and why do you thing a function returning a string can't do something different prior returning a string?
21:16 SoniEx2 texture = function(...) return "texture.png" end
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21:16 zsoltisawesome WindHero!
21:16 sapier that's useless as you could just do texture = "texture.png" too
21:16 SoniEx2 yeah
21:17 WindHero Hey!
21:17 SoniEx2 what about texture = function(node, world, ...) if node.connectedUp() then return "up.png" elseif node.connectedDown() then return "down.png" end end
21:17 SoniEx2 sapier, ^
21:18 sapier if you can send this function you can send anything else too
21:18 SoniEx2 you're already sending texture strings
21:18 sapier those are not executed
21:18 SoniEx2 why not execute the function (on the server)
21:18 SoniEx2 and send the returned string or error if it's not a string?
21:19 sapier texture is a nodetype property
21:19 SoniEx2 eww
21:19 SoniEx2 it should be a node property
21:19 sapier no it shouldn't
21:19 SoniEx2 yes it should
21:19 sapier you wouldn't ever be able to save your map to disk
21:20 SoniEx2 ever heard of caching, dictionaries, etc?
21:20 SoniEx2 uhh actually I may be thinking of trees not dictionaries
21:20 SoniEx2 idk
21:20 SoniEx2 the thing compression uses
21:20 SoniEx2 also why would you store textures on disk?
21:21 SoniEx2 I mean...
21:21 sapier 64k*64k*64k nodes ... *15 bytes per texture * 6 sides .... 96 terrabytes of additional data
21:21 SoniEx2 just redraw everything
21:21 sapier -r
21:22 MegAFK blaise: ping
21:22 sapier I'm not talking about the textures but only about the node as you suggest texture to be a per node property ;-)
21:23 SoniEx2 uhh ok
21:23 SoniEx2 how about the server does the drawing/
21:23 SoniEx2 ?*
21:23 sapier lol
21:23 WindHero just no...
21:24 sapier for how many clients do you believe server is able to render the view? and how much lag will transmitting that picture cause?
21:24 SoniEx2 also how about needing a mod on both the client and the server like you have to do with Minecraft?
21:24 WindHero Minetest DOES download mods to cache....
21:24 sapier no it does not
21:24 WindHero :x
21:24 sapier mods are server side only
21:24 WindHero ohhhhhhhh
21:24 sapier their textures and models are downloaded to cache
21:25 sapier but no code
21:25 SoniEx2 meh
21:25 * WindHero quietly leaves the room
21:25 SoniEx2 just write a simple texture scripting language thingy
21:25 SoniEx2 or idk
21:26 sapier you're free to do so but I don't think your chances to get a own language in are pretty minor, we already did this mistake for gui and most likely wont do it again
21:26 sapier -don't
21:26 SoniEx2 do something like switch(someMetaData) { case 0: return "a" case 1: return "b" etc }
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21:27 sapier try to find another way to do it I'll not support adding hacks for things like that
21:27 SoniEx2 I want my tanks to show the fluid levels inside, and I want my crates to show their connections
21:28 sapier then find a way to do it with the methods already available
21:28 SoniEx2 there's no way
21:28 SoniEx2 even something like a metaTexture table would be good enough
21:28 sapier then wait till 2016 (if you're lucky) ;-)
21:29 SoniEx2 like metaTexture = {metaName = {value1 = "texture string", value2 = "another texture", ...}}
21:29 SoniEx2 or something like that
21:30 sapier that doesn't change anything as you still need to change quite a lot of in core mechanisms and still need code to detect what texture to show ... and now matter what simple code we add it'll be too limited to be of generic use.
21:30 sapier not even talking about the possible performance issues
21:31 sapier well lets think about it maybe someone has a good idea, but right now there seem to be too many pieces missing
21:32 SoniEx2 I thought minetest was a good alternative to minecraft
21:32 SoniEx2 but it seems like nope
21:32 zsoltisawesome SoniEx2: It is if you know how to use it
21:32 SoniEx2 also multiblocks are cool
21:32 SoniEx2 but only if they have dynamic textures
21:33 SoniEx2 zsoltisawesome, I'm trying to find a way to do something, but it seems to be impossible in Minetest, so Minecraft does it better...
21:34 zsoltisawesome what are you trying to do?
21:34 sapier SoniEx2: you're free to use whatever you want ;-)
21:35 SoniEx2 zsoltisawesome, ok uhh I wanna change a node's texture based on the world around it (or metadata)
21:35 deltib the thing about minecraft is mods aren't exactly mods, they're patches
21:35 zsoltisawesome so, like a camera block?
21:35 zsoltisawesome deltib: +1
21:36 SoniEx2 zsoltisawesome, basically, I have about 10 different crate textures and I need a way to pick the right one so it "connects" to nearby crates
21:36 deltib anyone could crack open the minetest source code, and do any kind of extreme modding, but it would never be compatible with other minetest clients/servers
21:37 sapier SoniEx2 see mesecons/pipes they have almost same issue and found a way to do
21:40 sapier there's one thing that may be implemented within reasonable time, mesh nodes for those you may be able to set the animation frame ... but we have to fix various issues prior adding them too
21:43 SoniEx2 sapier, ok how can I do dynamic textures?
21:43 SoniEx2 I mean
21:43 SoniEx2 the texture stays the same pretty much
21:43 SoniEx2 I just want different palettes
21:43 deltib mesh nodes? you mean like, custom geometry?
21:43 SoniEx2 without hardcoding stuff
21:44 SoniEx2 (a thing Minecraft lets me do, btw)
21:44 sapier yes
21:45 sapier you can blend various textures if you're talking about this ... when did minecraft add a official mod api?
21:46 SoniEx2 no official one
21:46 SoniEx2 but forge lets me do it
21:46 sapier well you can take our code and write whatever you want to write in it ;-)
21:47 SoniEx2 I can load custom palettes and make a texture with that and send it to the GPU and do whatever I want with it
21:47 sapier you cant do anything with gpu in a mod per definition
21:47 SoniEx2 why not?
21:47 sapier a mod is server side only
21:47 SoniEx2 no that's a plugin
21:47 sapier no
21:48 SoniEx2 yes
21:48 sapier no
21:48 SoniEx2 yes
21:48 SoniEx2 Minecraft plugins are server-side only
21:48 sapier well then try to use a minetest mod on your client and see the result
21:48 SoniEx2 Minecraft mods can be either client-side only or both
21:48 sapier this isn't minecraft but minetest
21:49 sapier and in minetest a mod is server side only no matter how often you want it not to be that way ;-P
21:49 SoniEx2 in Minecraft you can have nice stuff that works
21:49 SoniEx2 in Minetest you can only have stuff that works
21:49 SoniEx2 it can't look nice
21:49 SoniEx2 can you fix that?
21:49 sapier well why did you even come here if minecraft is that good?
21:49 SoniEx2 Minecraft isn't open
21:50 sapier ok then this is your first lesson about open software, big changes take time and can't be demanded
21:50 SoniEx2 also being able to send hand-crafted images would be a good feature
21:50 SoniEx2 sure I could just write it all to a temp folder or something but I'm not sure if you provide filesystem access...
21:51 sapier but the difference to minecraft is you can spend your own time to reduce the time your feature is implemented
21:52 sapier SoniEx2: minetest is different from minecraft, don't expect it to do everything same way, most is possible but has to be done different
21:52 SoniEx2 do I have filesystem access?
21:52 sapier but no you can't create textures in mt otf as minetest transmitts textures on client init and doesn't provide a way to add them at runtime
21:53 sapier not to client
21:53 SoniEx2 to server
21:53 SoniEx2 so I can make the textures during init
21:53 sapier maybe
21:53 SoniEx2 not sure how it would work cross mod tho...
21:53 jin_xi yes, use perlin noise and generate all the textures
21:54 SoniEx2 does minetest support mod loading priorities?
21:54 SoniEx2 like after:somemod or before:somemod
21:55 sapier mods have dependncys
21:55 SoniEx2 or not even that?
21:56 sapier so one way only
21:56 SoniEx2 so you can't setup mods to load before my mod so they can register stuff with minetest so my mod can see the stuff during init?
21:57 sapier what didn't you understand about dependencys?
21:57 sapier I suggest reading lua_api.txt first ;-)
21:57 sapier if mod A depends on mod B mod B is obviously loaded PRIOR mod A
21:57 SoniEx2 forge dependencies let you do before:mod or after:mod
21:58 sapier come on throw away all your knowlede about how it was and start reading how it IS
21:58 sapier minetest is different
21:58 SoniEx2 and unless you add an init_textures that happens after init it won't really work
21:59 SoniEx2 or idk register a message handler or something
21:59 SoniEx2 so that mods can send me messages during init
21:59 sapier read doc and use the mechanisms available prior requesting everything to be changed the way you want it
22:00 SoniEx2 I'm not requestion everything to be changed
22:00 SoniEx2 I'm asking for a workaround
22:00 sapier well sounds like
22:00 zsoltisawesome brb
22:00 SoniEx2 or if that's not possible THEN I want it to be changed
22:00 sapier well if you'd ask for a car to be able to fly you wont get a quick solution too
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22:02 SoniEx2 can you register things to send stuff around between mods?
22:02 sapier you don't have to send things between mods
22:03 sapier how much do you know about lua?
22:03 sapier all mods are in same namespace so if you define a global function in one mod you can use it in another
22:04 sapier and mods don't have their own live at all
22:04 Exio4 SoniEx2: all the people here is here because they want to be, in minecraft you're paying for a game and somehow the support and features and so on is why "you get what you want"
22:04 Exio4 here it is "we get what we do"
22:05 SoniEx2 if the engine was LuaJIT and OpenGL powered this would be way easier for me to do
22:05 sapier well it's time for me to go SoniEx2  I suggest reading a book about lua, read lua_api.txt look at some mods, and then just try different things, by now almost everyone found a way to do
22:06 SoniEx2 sapier, I don't need a book about Lua
22:06 sapier ok good then you've already completed the most time consuming task
22:07 SoniEx2 I need a book about C .-.
22:07 SoniEx2 (and C++)
22:08 EvergreenTree PilzAdam recommended one to me
22:08 EvergreenTree I forget what It's called
22:08 * EvergreenTree pokes PilzAdam
22:08 PilzAdam I did?
22:09 EvergreenTree Yes
22:09 EvergreenTree You said it was perfect for trees
22:09 PilzAdam http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/C_Programming ?
22:09 zsoltisawesome harhar
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22:11 EvergreenTree I think that was it
22:11 SoniEx2 what about C++?
22:11 zsoltisawesome Hmm
22:12 zsoltisawesome http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/C++_Programming maybe? :P
22:12 EvergreenTree Once you know c, learning c++ isn't difficult
22:21 Exio4 lol, a C book for trees
22:24 FreeFull If I was to write a new minetest, I'd do it in Rust
22:24 Vazon ok so im not used to the new forum setup, how do you add spoilers?
22:25 Exio4 EvergreenTree: C++ isn't worth anyone's time though
22:26 Vazon nevermind xD
22:27 * VanessaE is back
22:27 VanessaE hi hi
22:27 Vazon Wb Vanessa
22:27 VanessaE (so much for only being gone an hour :P )
22:27 zsoltisawesome VanessaE: Yay!
22:28 VanessaE :)
22:28 Vazon lol
22:30 Vazon ... well isnt that just crappy
22:31 VanessaE ?
22:31 zsoltisawesome anyone have alot of time on there hands?
22:31 Vazon ether windows hates me or a nasty virus go to my computer
22:31 VanessaE where hands?
22:31 * VanessaE kicks zsoltisawesome's ass for misusing there/their/they're
22:31 Vazon i cnat access my files on this computer and my control panel is empty
22:31 VanessaE Vazon: windows hates everyone :)
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22:32 zsoltisawesome VanessaE: lol
22:32 Vazon VanessaE: indeed it does
22:32 EvergreenTree and yet some people seem to get by with it
22:32 EvergreenTree Windows:  You may like it, but it doesn't like you...
22:32 zsoltisawesome Lol
22:33 WindHero this is true
22:33 EvergreenTree If I could get a dollar every time someone said "lol" without actually doing so irl, I would be a rich tree
22:34 EvergreenTree </overused idiom>
22:34 VanessaE linux hates everyone too, it just hates everyone a little less :)
22:34 WindHero haha
22:34 EvergreenTree True
22:34 EvergreenTree and mac on the other hand...
22:35 VanessaE mac hates everyone, but it hates rich folks the least :)
22:35 * VanessaE ducks
22:35 EvergreenTree lol
22:36 * VanessaE wonders if the above 'lol' was a real one ;)
22:36 EvergreenTree And for the record, I actually laughed that time
22:36 zsoltisawesome haha
22:37 zsoltisawesome http://www.fast-files.com/getfile.aspx?file=73636 <--- write something like this
22:37 Vazon hahaha i win stupid windows i have one this time >:)
22:37 * Vazon feels accompished
22:38 zsoltisawesome BTW, you might need this: http://www.fast-files.com/getfile.aspx?file=73637
22:39 zsoltisawesome EvergreenTree: a tree laughing? how does that sound?
22:39 EvergreenTree I have no idea actually
22:39 EvergreenTree trees hear differently then humans
22:41 zsoltisawesome EvergreenTree: where were you planted?
22:41 EvergreenTree somewhere in the midwest of the usa
22:41 Vazon why you no connect with linux computers windows (-).(-)
22:41 FreeFull EvergreenTree: Is a rich tree a tree that rich people grow on?
22:41 EvergreenTree yep
22:41 EvergreenTree :3
22:42 zsoltisawesome lol
22:42 Vazon FreeFull: no its not its just a tree thats to high for poor people to climb to get the money on it
22:42 EvergreenTree that too
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22:44 EvergreenTree I seriously have no idea where these discussions comw from
22:44 EvergreenTree Hi OldCoder
22:44 EvergreenTree I think someone should make a compilation of the best ones from the irc log
22:45 OldCoder EvergreenTree, Hi
22:45 Vazon Hi OldCoder
22:45 OldCoder Vazon, Hello. I don't think we've talked. Pleased to meet you.
22:46 Vazon Yes it is, but you was going to do something for me a few months ago and im sorry we wasted your time back then, btw i ran the Minerealms server you was going to host a few months ago.
22:53 Vazon man this sucks :| i hate having to look at all those old post after i shut down the server , it makes me feel like absolute crap :'(
23:02 zat Who knows/devel v7 mapgen here?
23:03 Exio4 h.m.m.m.m
23:03 Exio4 take dots out \o/
23:03 zsoltisawesome Jordach does..
23:03 zsoltisawesome and Amaz does too
23:05 zat uh, the rivers have disappeared from my map... and I dont know how to get them back. :S
23:07 zsoltisawesome are you using v7?
23:12 zat yes
23:13 zsoltisawesome is there grass?
23:13 zsoltisawesome and dirt?
23:13 zat everything
23:13 zat except rivers
23:14 zsoltisawesome hmm, odd
23:14 zat grass, dirt, snow, trees, jungles, caves, all...
23:14 zsoltisawesome using a mod?
23:14 zat many
23:14 zsoltisawesome that makes v7 not just stone?
23:15 zsoltisawesome because v7 is normally just stone
23:17 zat I added a lua file on default mod to make the v7 biomes
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23:17 zat ok... it was because of using freeminer instead of minetes
23:17 zsoltisawesome ah
23:18 zat they bring different versions of v7 I guess
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23:29 Vazon Wb Megaf
23:30 Megaf Thanks Vazon
23:30 Megaf Hi all
23:36 Vazon your welcome
23:39 Megaf Vazon: Hows your server doing tonight?
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23:44 OldCoder kaeza, hi
23:44 kaeza *yawn* hai
23:45 zat Now I just have to find out how to make a mineral less common
23:45 zat how would you make a ore of type sheet to spawn less dense?
23:45 zsoltisawesome go and edit mapgen.lua
23:45 zsoltisawesome (i think)
23:47 zat I have been on that yes
23:47 zat The type is sheet, though I dont know what params for the noise can make it less dense.
23:47 zat if any is supposed to do that though...
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23:54 Vazon its great had a little lag but that is because we have like 15 players and it got hot so i have a fan on it right now but other wise the lag is staying around .9
23:54 Vazon OldCoder can i talk to you?
23:55 OldCoder Sure; PM
23:55 OldCoder I have PMd
23:55 OldCoder Vazon, ^
23:57 Vazon sorry long message lol
23:58 Megaf zat: Hey
23:58 Megaf zat: minetest/games/mods/default/
23:59 Megaf zat: there you will find the files to edit you minerals
23:59 Megaf ^ zsoltisawesome
23:59 zat yes I have already Megaf lol
23:59 Megaf heh
23:59 Megaf ok,
23:59 Megaf did it work?
23:59 zat I just cant figure which option makes a mineral be less dense when spawned

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