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00:00 WindHero boot time: ~3-5 s.
00:00 Exio4 my laptop booted in 7 seconds with an HDD
00:01 WindHero did it have a crapload of stuff on it yet though?
00:01 Megaf ok
00:01 WindHero before I filled up a bunch of programs, it was some 2 s.
00:01 Exio4 i did
00:01 Megaf now I could be very screwed
00:01 Megaf Just did this megaf@BigSam:~$ rm -rf *
00:01 WindHero ?
00:02 Megaf WindHero: I just wiped all my files
00:02 WindHero I was afraid that was what it meant. :(
00:03 Megaf see why I have several backups across multiple drives?
00:03 WindHero yup
00:03 WindHero gtg
00:03 Megaf cya
00:03 Exio4 you could have serval backups over multiple drivers
00:03 Exio4 drives
00:03 Exio4 and also offline backups
00:03 Exio4 but if the user is dumb. hmm, there is no fix
00:03 Megaf Exio4: that's what I do
00:04 Megaf I have 5 hard disks with off line backups
00:04 Megaf I know eventually I will wipe my data
00:04 Megaf as I just did
00:04 Megaf so best thing I could do is keep my data safe
00:05 Vazon so i think ifound it
00:06 Vazon Megaf can you try to log in
00:06 Megaf sure
00:06 Vazon thanks
00:16 Megaf Vazon: did it crash?
00:17 Vazon no
00:17 Vazon wait
00:17 Vazon mhmm ya
00:17 Vazon relog
00:17 Megaf what cause the crash?
00:18 Megaf caused*
00:18 Vazon idk it didnt tell me i believe the snow mod , its a old version and the fix i but for it back them was a crappy one and i hear 0.4.9 broke the mod so i need to remove it
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00:27 Vazon its back megaf
00:34 Megaf Vazon: I'm involved with my own server issues now :P
00:42 blaise !up midnightsystems.kicks-ass.org
00:42 MinetestBot midnightsystems.kicks-ass.org:30000 seems to be down
00:42 blaise !up midnightsystems.kicks-ass.org 35000
00:42 MinetestBot midnightsystems.kicks-ass.org:35000 seems to be down
00:43 blaise =[
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00:51 SoniEx2 does minetest have note blocks?
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00:54 FreeFull SoniEx2: There might some some mod for them, but it doesn't come with them
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00:54 FreeFull I'd expect it'd be related to the mesecons mods
00:54 SoniEx2 uhh ok :/
00:56 harrison minetest needs a 01,09memehopper mod
00:58 SoniEx2 does minetest have redstone?
00:59 MinetestBot GIT: Sapier at GMX dot net commited to minetest/minetest: Fix error messages beeing shown on pressing cursor keys in various menus 90f0859128 2014-05-11T02:57:47+02:00 http://git.io/oQrihw
01:04 harrison 01,09mememememememememememmemememememe​mememememememememememememememememememe
01:04 harrison 01,09                                   _        internet insect           .
01:04 harrison 01,09   _ __ ___   ___  _ __ ___   ___ | |__   ___  _ __  _ __   ___  _ __ .
01:04 harrison 01,09  | '_ ` _ \ / _ \| '_ ` _ \ / _ \| '_ \ / _ \| '_ \| '_ \ / _ \| '__|.
01:04 harrison was kicked by ShadowBot: Paste flood detected. Use a pastebin like pastebin.ubuntu.com or gist.github.com.
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01:04 harrison mememememememememememmememememememem​emememememememememememememememememe
01:04 harrison _        internet insect           .
01:04 harrison _ __ ___   ___  _ __ ___   ___ | |__   ___  _ __  _ __   ___  _ __ .
01:04 harrison | '_ ` _ \ / _ \| '_ ` _ \ / _ \| '_ \ / _ \| '_ \| '_ \ / _ \| '__|.
01:04 harrison was kicked by ShadowBot: Paste flood detected. Use a pastebin like pastebin.ubuntu.com or gist.github.com.
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01:05 harrison man
01:05 SoniEx2 does minetest have beds?
01:05 SoniEx2 I'm tired .-.
01:06 harrison you and me both
01:06 harrison -- i am tired of being repressed by the System
01:07 SoniEx2 I'm tired of assholes, I'm tired of being awake because I didn't sleep properly, I'm tired of being tired .-.
01:07 harrison Your language is not family-friendly
01:08 harrison I am also xosted but i don't go around cursing like an oaf
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01:14 vazon Megaf you there?
01:15 FreeFull SoniEx2: There is at least one mod with beds
01:15 FreeFull I advise we all go sleep
01:17 Megaf vazon: maybe
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01:18 vazon did the server crash again??
01:18 Megaf vazon: mine or yours?
01:18 Megaf ~up minetest.megaf.info 30003
01:18 ShadowBot Megaf: minetest.megaf.info port 30003 is up (1509ms)
01:18 vazon mine cause I'm not home atm
01:19 Megaf ~up 75.131.40.131
01:19 ShadowBot Megaf: 75.131.40.131 port 30000 is up (808ms)
01:19 Megaf your server is up vazon
01:20 vazon mhmm the config must be messed up cause I can't see it on the server list
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01:59 SoniEx2 do you guys have a build server?
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02:12 Megaf I dont think so SoniEx2
02:12 Megaf why?
02:13 SoniEx2 do they want a build server?
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02:32 Megaf SoniEx2: hm
02:32 Megaf maybe
02:32 Megaf way a sec please
02:33 Megaf SoniEx2: Why would you offer that?
02:33 * Megaf is nobody, just a player
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03:13 Vazon !up 75.131.40.131
03:13 MinetestBot 75.131.40.131:30000 is up (134ms)
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03:20 Megaf you good Vazon ?
03:22 Vazon maby :P
03:22 Vazon !up 75.131.40.131\
03:22 MinetestBot 75.131.40.131\:30000 seems to be down
03:22 Vazon !up 75.131.40.131
03:22 Vazon ..
03:22 Vazon not going to respond?
03:22 Vazon !up 75.131.40.131
03:22 MinetestBot 75.131.40.131:30000 is up (132ms)
03:23 Vazon its not linking hte server list that is the only prob i got left
03:23 Vazon liking*
03:24 Vazon it seems to pop on and off the server list
03:24 Megaf Vazon: you compiled with curl support?
03:24 Vazon what? i dont understand
03:25 Megaf curl is a library
03:25 Megaf that a server need to tell minetest server list its on
03:25 Megaf I mean
03:26 Megaf it needs to announce itself to servers.minetest.net
03:26 Vazon o idk
03:26 Megaf hold on
03:27 Megaf Vazon: libcurl3 lua-curl-dev
03:27 Megaf install these
03:27 Megaf then recompile your server
03:28 Megaf apt-get install libcurl3 lua-curl-dev
03:28 Vazon -.- i have already recomipled it like 4 times
03:29 Megaf did you rerun cmake?
03:30 Megaf you need to rerun cmake to tell it that you cave curl
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04:11 Vazon !up 75.131.40.131
04:11 MinetestBot 75.131.40.131:30000 is up (136ms)
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05:22 Eater4 Vazon: you run minerealems right?
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05:55 Vazon Eater you asked if i run minerealms?
05:57 Vazon Eater4?
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07:22 Calinou hi
07:27 Calinou minimal game loads so fast in comparison to Carbone :s
07:29 Calinou I found a dungeon “stub” in the surface
07:29 VanessaE hey
07:29 whiskers75 Calinou: MAKE MORE OPTIMIZED
07:30 VanessaE not much you can do to speed up 2000 item/node registrations :)
07:31 VanessaE dreambuilder probably makes carbone look like minimal by comparison ;)
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07:32 john_minetest Hey
07:34 Calinou There are 2016 registered nodes, items and tools.
07:35 Calinou VanessaE, the limit is 32767, right?
07:35 VanessaE yeah
07:35 Calinou I remember when it used to be 2048 or even 4095, Stairs+ took a significant part of it :p
07:35 VanessaE dreambuilder has somewhere north of 6000 I think
07:36 Calinou heh, a surface dungeon goes underground using a staircase
07:37 Calinou strange, stair nodes generate only sometimes in dungeons
07:42 * sfan5 meows at whiskers75
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07:48 Calinou water being opaque while not digging really needs a fix
07:51 Calinou does anyone have a patch for this?
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07:56 john_minetest Yeah, non-opaque water is SO ugly.
07:56 john_minetest It seems that it is only opaque from certain angels of view around the z axis (north, south, west, east)
07:58 VanessaE you mean the Y axis :)
07:58 Calinou no, when digging, it's fine
07:58 Calinou when not digging, it becomes opaque
07:59 VanessaE the only opaque/non-opaqueness I've seen with water was when it would randomly flick between the two states depending on your view angle like john said, but I've never noticed a digging-related change
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08:00 john_minetest Yeah, me, too.
08:01 john_minetest VanessaE: I lable the axes the blender-way :P
08:01 john_minetest *label
08:03 * markveidemanis doesn't play minetest
08:03 asie hey minetesters
08:03 asie oh man the factory mod looks so awesome
08:03 markveidemanis Hi asie!
08:04 asie also my current pack has 1400 nodes if anyone's curious
08:04 markveidemanis does it?
08:04 asie yes
08:04 asie it's not really fleshed-out tho
08:04 asie it lacks automation... a slightly stripped-down version of pipeworks and a rewrite of Jordach's tanks and the new Factory mod will probably do it though
08:06 markveidemanis I see the forums are still shit
08:08 asie markveidemanis: oh shut up they're not
08:08 asie they're the best we're going to have anyway
08:08 markveidemanis Really?
08:09 markveidemanis The punbb ones were tons better
08:09 asie oh
08:09 asie you mean the engine, not the community?
08:09 markveidemanis Yes!
08:09 asie i usually like to host forums on FluxBB, yes
08:09 * markveidemanis googles
08:09 asie i really want to launch a Minetest server in Poland
08:09 asie but nobody would play on it and it makes me sad
08:11 Calinou hi asie
08:11 asie hi Calinou
08:11 Calinou <asie> also my current pack has 1400 nodes if anyone's curious
08:11 Calinou you mean, your game?
08:11 asie yes
08:11 Calinou mine has 2016 nodes, items and tools
08:12 asie i come from minecraft, i use minecraft terminology still
08:12 Calinou (it's stated when starting server)
08:12 markveidemanis asie: Biome/Biome, Chunk/Block
08:12 asie markveidemanis: I know already
08:12 markveidemanis Block/Node
08:12 asie but I forget sometimes
08:12 Calinou pack, in Minetest terminology, is usually short for “modpack” :P
08:12 markveidemanis pack
08:12 Calinou markveidemanis, it depends, Block is widely used in the game
08:12 Calinou I use block for most non-technical descriptions
08:12 Calinou MapBlock for chunk
08:13 markveidemanis Or cube...
08:13 markveidemanis Voxel if you want to get technical :P
08:13 Calinou eg. “Coal Block” :P
08:13 asie it still makes me sad that running a Minetest server in Poland is out of the question
08:13 asie everyone plays Minecraft... /pirated/ Minecraft, at that
08:17 markveidemanis https://forum.minetest.net/viewforum.php?f=31
08:18 asie markveidemanis: 150 posts in 2.5 years
08:19 asie by about 10 people
08:19 markveidemanis Not so bad
08:19 asie most of which stopped posting ages ago
08:19 markveidemanis It doesn't matter where your server is
08:19 markveidemanis Anyone can still connect to it]
08:20 asie yes but
08:20 asie it's not the same
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08:23 VanessaE bbl
08:31 Calinou bye
08:31 Calinou <asie> it still makes me sad that running a Minetest server in Poland is out of the question
08:31 Calinou why?
08:31 asie userbase is non-existent
08:31 asie everyone pirates Minecraft
08:31 Calinou play with non-Polish people then
08:32 Calinou there aren't much French people either
08:32 asie it's not the same is the problem
08:32 asie :P
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08:44 john_minetest asie: If there isn't a polish server, nobody will ever play. It is like not producing cars because everybody rides bikes because there aren't cars.
08:45 asie no, it's more like everyone ostensibly steals bikes from the bike shop
08:45 john_minetest Still no difference.
08:45 asie and you know you won't sell cars because not even bikes sell, even if the cars are much cheaper they'll just keep stealing bikes
08:45 asie as that's simpler
08:45 john_minetest They would steal cars if they could. But there are none produced. So they keep stealing bikes.
08:45 asie also everyone uses bikes, why would anyone use a car if they'd just be mocked by the bike users association
08:45 asie who keep saying bikes are superior and have many people to advertise bikes
08:46 john_minetest OMG, that analogy is so stereotypical.
08:46 asie but that's essentially what happens here
08:46 asie you have a few let's players who literally decide what's cool right now
08:46 asie and everyone following the trends
08:47 john_minetest Yeah, many people advertise polish bikes. But some are looking for polish cars. But there aren't cars because car producer asie thinks "Well, nobody would buy one anyway since everybody rides a bike.".
08:47 asie john_minetest: why don't they tell me they'd like a car then?
08:47 asie everyone seems perfectly fine with bikes
08:47 john_minetest But they actually ride bikes because nobody produces cars. Not because they would not be interested in cars.
08:48 asie nobody evver mentioned "hey, cars are cool"
08:48 asie "why don't we have cars?"
08:48 john_minetest Well, I think this is country-dependant.
08:48 asie everyone keeps riding bikes and keeps trying to turn their bike into a car
08:48 asie but they wouldn't use a car because it's not a bike
08:48 john_minetest In some countries it is easier to advertise new, open source cars than in others.
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08:48 asie yeah
08:48 asie latest stats show 94% of Polish internet users pirate on a regular basis
08:49 asie not even kidding
08:49 john_minetest If you tell all your friends about your new car, they will see that it is cool and join you.
08:49 asie do you think most of them care about whether it's legal or not?
08:49 john_minetest Software pirating is SO antisocial. If you like the game, support the devs. If you don't like it, just let it be.
08:50 * markveidemanis feels bad
08:50 john_minetest asie: Well, if they all use stolen bikes and you show them: "Hey, I got a free car here and it is completely legal!", there might be people who actually take the car.
08:51 asie john_minetest: Hah.
08:51 asie But most people in Poland don't even care about who made the bike
08:51 john_minetest And there weren't german cars before somebody created one. Now there are german cars everywhere.
08:51 asie as long as it is a bike
08:51 asie that's the problem
08:51 john_minetest And there weren't german minetest servers before somebody created one. Now there are german minetest servers everywhere.
08:51 asie the only guy who seems to get credit is Zyczu, the maintainer of the most popular pirated launcher
08:51 asie most popular because it keeps working
08:52 john_minetest Just launch your polish minetest server. Tell your friends.
08:52 asie I did tell my friends
08:52 asie they said exactly what I said above
08:52 john_minetest I know that there are people of all nationalities here.
08:52 asie they want to keep playing Minecraft because it's "better"
08:53 john_minetest Yeah, I know that problem.
08:53 john_minetest Just build up a server and advertise it (on the forums etc).
08:53 asie even if I tried to prove to them cars are better they didn't care, the biggest complaint was that it doesn't look like a bike
08:54 asie that is, the textures are "worse"
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08:55 john_minetest You don't need a 24/7 car in the beginning. A fully moderated car running for 3 or 4 hours per day gets better user counts. (I once ran a car and there were small user counts because nobody joined at specified times but only at some random time)
08:56 john_minetest Also you can use texture packs to give your car a better color if you dislike the recent one.
08:56 john_minetest And it is MUCH easier to paint your car than to paint your bike.
08:56 john_minetest And modding your bike is nearly impossible.
08:58 asie "modding your bike is nearly impossible"
08:58 asie it is perfectly possible, i modded bikes a while back
08:58 asie but the problem is every half a year a new bike gets released
08:58 asie everyone flocks to it because it's new, but the only thing that changes is the coating
08:58 asie and the entire internal structure
08:59 asie so you need to mod it all over again
08:59 john_minetest Well, cars are better there.
08:59 asie and you can't be the voice of reason and say "we've had enough changes, let's stay to the old model of bikes"
08:59 asie because everyone will ignore you because IT'S A NEW BIKE
08:59 asie that's why i came here
08:59 asie they said they will remotely stop the old bikes from working if we don't move to the new bikes, even, in an IRC conversation
09:00 john_minetest I think changing to cars is even simpler in your case. Since the bikes were free anyway and they didn't pay anyway.
09:00 asie Mojang seems to be eerily similar in ways of work to Apple nowadays
09:01 john_minetest Just start a polish-only car. 3 or 4 hours at a special time every day. Just see what happens.
09:01 john_minetest If you don't start, you will never find out.
09:01 asie The best way to do it would be to make YouTube videos of the car
09:01 asie I guess.
09:01 asie anyway, afk
09:01 john_minetest There are enough youtube videos of cars....
09:08 Ritchie Hi, I have problem compiling minetest.. I did git pull to actual version and make ended with error, something with JThread
09:08 Ritchie /minetest/src/jthread/pthread/jthread.cpp:196:11: error: ‘class JThread’ has no member named ‘runningmutex’
09:09 Ritchie there are more similar lines
09:09 Ritchie /minetest/src/jthread/pthread/jthread.cpp:57:2: error: ‘runningmutex’ was not declared in this scope
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09:14 sfan5 Ritchie: which os?
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09:29 PilzAdam Hello everyone!
09:32 jin_xi Hi PilzAdam
09:34 sfan5 hi PilzAdam
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09:49 Ritchie sfan5: linux
09:49 sfan5 linux what?
09:49 Ritchie debian
09:50 Ritchie wheezy
09:53 sfan5 g++ version?
09:53 Ritchie g++ (Debian 4.7.2-5) 4.7.2
09:53 sfan5 ^ Ritchie
09:54 sfan5 that should be good enough
09:54 sfan5 hm
09:54 sfan5 file an issue on github
09:54 Ritchie I got it maybe.. I am compiling in copied folder that has another name than original folder
09:55 sfan5 that could be the problem
09:55 sfan5 you need to re-run cmake then
09:55 Ritchie patches in cmakefiles are wrong
09:55 sfan5 patches?
09:56 Ritchie how to say it.. names of folder
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10:08 john_minetest Best song ever: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9YWvUJOQf8g
10:09 john_minetest LOL. I just read something about operation flashpoint. "Bohemia Interactive"... WAIT... And then I realized that ARMA and operation flashpoint were made by the same company.
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10:10 john_minetest Bohemia Interactive has a monopoly on tactical shooters :P
10:10 Ritchie yes you are right
10:10 Ritchie they are from the Czech republic, same as me :)
10:11 john_minetest I love that game genre. Shooters with REAL tactics. Not just arena games with small maps and little tactics. In ARMA or ofdr you can walk around the enemy
10:13 Ritchie you can tell many commands to other team mates via radio
10:15 Ritchie sfan5: I tried to compile updated minetest with proper folder name and it was successfully built
10:15 Ritchie sfan5: thank you for help
10:15 sfan5 no problem
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10:16 Ritchie did you notice that LuaJIT has new version since March?
10:17 sfan5 me? why are you asking?
10:19 Ritchie i meant this question to whole channel.. i noticed it now, LuaJIT has some bugfixes
10:21 Calinou ARMA takes 40 minutes to play at least and needs very good hardware
10:21 Calinou it's insanely demanding, thus a bad example
10:22 PenguinDad Minetest has big enough worlds for tactical shooters :P
10:27 arsdragonfly VanessaE: I'm using your lua profiler and it's giving me negative number of time. What's wrong with that?
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10:40 sapier hello does anyone know a game replacing the hudbar selection by an image?
10:42 PenguinDad sapier: minetest_next and carbone do that
10:42 sapier thanks
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11:04 PenguinDad mapgen does interesting things in carbone https://cdn.mediacru.sh/hZLk5WS7Cs4i.png
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11:25 FreeFull PenguinDad: Looks like a collision between three biomes all flying at each other
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11:27 Calinou there are two biomes in v6
11:27 MinetestBot GIT: Sapier at GMX dot net commited to minetest/minetest: Fix incorrect scaling of customized hud item selection marker b16cbba21a 2014-05-11T13:26:23+02:00 http://git.io/axCKKA
11:28 Calinou FreeFull, this is a desert dungeon
11:28 sfan5 PenguinDad: those are desert dungeons
11:28 FreeFull Calinou: Ah
11:29 FreeFull I'd love to see more stuff in minetest that you'd never see in minecraft
11:30 sfan5 write a mod
11:30 sfan5 that does that
11:31 FreeFull You need a good idea first though
11:32 sfan5 chest and mob spawners for dungeons
11:32 PenguinDad the interesting thing is I can find desert dungeon in other biomes too
11:33 sfan5 are you sure?
11:33 sfan5 desert dungeons always have 2 block wide hallways & use desert stone
11:34 PenguinDad I've seen them in jungles too
11:34 sfan5 jungles can override any biome
11:34 sfan5 you can find both in them
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12:00 hoodedice Is there a way to get an older server map from the client side
12:02 PenguinDad Minetest - The elder maps :D
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12:03 Calinou <FreeFull> I'd love to see more stuff in minetest that you'd never see in Minecraft
12:03 Calinou happens quite a bit in Carbone already
12:03 Calinou coins, different dungeons and mobs, air springs in caves…
12:04 Calinou hoodedice, no, you would only be able to download current version
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12:06 FreeFull Air springs?
12:07 markveidemanis HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
12:07 markveidemanis shit
12:08 markveidemanis these user-defined commands are fucking annoying
12:08 PenguinDad This makes no sense O_o
12:09 PenguinDad When I resize my firefox all youtube videos reload
12:10 john_minetest I don't have flash. And I can't really resize my firefox because I am using a dynamic WM.
12:10 john_minetest :D
12:10 FreeFull Carbone is interesting
12:10 FreeFull PenguinDad: Odd
12:11 PenguinDad john_minetest: I don't have flash either ;)
12:11 * markveidemanis is hosting an irc server on 81.135.40.162 6667
12:11 markveidemanis or sslv.tk is the fucking dns works
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12:16 john_minetest PenguinDad: Gnash, shumway, another plugin or something external?
12:17 PenguinDad nothing like that only the html5 player
12:19 hoodedice Say, what exactly is pointed_thing, and "above" and "under"?
12:20 sfan5 hoodedice: above is where the node would be when you place one, under is the node in the black outline
12:21 hoodedice okay, and pointed thing is the exact location of the mouse pointer?
12:21 sfan5 no
12:21 sfan5 pointed_thing has nothing to do with the mouse
12:21 hoodedice That is confusing
12:22 sfan5 pointed_thing is for nodes
12:22 hoodedice ah, that makes sense
12:22 PenguinDad hoodedice: pointed_thing is a table
12:24 hoodedice I hate to be that person, but I still dunno how do you define a table, and how do you put values in it, and how to call those values?
12:25 hoodedice But I won't bother anyone, and just peruse the pil and the dev wiki
12:26 sfan5 t = {a=1, fct=function(a) return (a * a) - a end}; t.a => 1; t.fct => [function]; t.fct(3) => 6
12:26 sfan5 ^ hoodedice
12:26 hoodedice so, anything within {} is a table?
12:27 sfan5 yes
12:27 sfan5 no
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12:27 sfan5 anything within { and } are the values in the table
12:28 hoodedice okay, got it
12:28 hoodedice This increases my lua xp by 9000 =D
12:28 jin_xi its not lua until there's a table
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12:30 hoodedice Hey yo john_minetest
12:30 hoodedice Oops
12:30 Jordach trololol
12:30 hoodedice Jordach
12:32 * Jordach missed the amplified audio from his desktop
12:34 hoodedice I would think that there is a way to stop generation of a map from the client side, when the map has generated to a certain extent
12:35 sapier no there ain't a way to do this and if it was it'd be a quite severe bug
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12:35 hoodedice By modding
12:35 hoodedice ^Forgot to add that to my question =P
12:36 sapier you could argue about "mods" beeing smarter then core itself, but at least it's not as insane as giving client chance to stop map generation on server
12:37 hoodedice I am talking on server side; but does this mean that such a mod is possible?
12:37 sapier no
12:37 sapier what'd be your usecase?
12:37 hoodedice performance considerations
12:37 hoodedice gameplay
12:38 hoodedice There are usecases for 5000x5000x5000 maps
12:38 sapier those are just buzzwords
12:38 hoodedice How about I make a game with 25 always active entities
12:38 markveidemanis sfan5: does /ctcp markveidemanis BLARG do anything?
12:38 hoodedice And allow them to roam around and generate the map, as if they were human players
12:38 Jordach yes
12:38 sfan5 no
12:38 Jordach it just shows the ctcp command
12:39 sapier performance isn't a valid reason as size of map shouldn't have an effect on performance as long as there aren't players all over the map
12:39 hoodedice ^I'm looking at that very scenario
12:39 sapier but yes adding a mapsize limitiation may be a interesting gameplay scenario
12:40 sapier hoodedice: if you make those entities this is considered your fault, entity map loading was added with explicit warning not to abuse it
12:40 sapier was it even added?
12:41 hoodedice Well, this custom game that I *might* make will heavily use entity map loading, and it is not possible to realise it otherwise
12:41 sapier and as far as I remember we agreed on adding a setting to force disable entity based maploading by server config
12:41 Jordach b-b-b-b-b-b-but carts would work properly!
12:42 hoodedice That's okay - I don't care if the end user breaks the game by messing around with server configs
12:42 sapier everytime I read "it is not possible to" ... I understand "I don't want to spend additional time on finding a better solution" ... that's true for me too ;-P
12:42 hoodedice As long as I do it correctly, everything is fine
12:42 sapier then do it correct hoodedice ;-)
12:42 hoodedice XD
12:43 hoodedice I don't even know the zwizzing syntax, and just found out how to define a table.
12:43 sapier everything else is just hiding bugs
12:43 hoodedice XD
12:43 Jordach hoodedice, var = {} and then for i=1, 4000 do var[i]={}
12:43 Jordach makes a 2d array
12:44 hoodedice Ik Jordach, sfan told me
12:44 Jordach bit hax, ain't it :D
12:44 hoodedice ya
12:44 hoodedice But is that the only way to define an array?
12:44 hoodedice Also, how would you call the 2534th value from it?
12:45 sfan5 john_minetest: uh no
12:45 hoodedice I think you would define if i = 2534; newvar = var
12:45 sfan5 ^ Jordach*
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12:45 john_minetest sfan5: ?
12:45 Jordach hoodedice, var[2534] = value
12:46 sfan5 john_minetest: not you; here's a kitten: http://i.imgur.com/qNBpvF3.jpg
12:46 * jin_xi has a kitten on the keyboard
12:46 * sfan5 meows at jin_xi
12:47 * jin_xi is meowed at a lot
12:47 * sfan5 purrs at jin_xi
12:47 * jin_xi pets sfan5
12:48 * sfan5 curls up to jin_xi's lap
12:48 * hoodedice kicks both of the
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12:48 hoodedice s/the/them
12:48 sfan5[Mac] meow
12:48 BerBerM ASDASDASDASDASDASDASDASD
12:48 hoodedice =O mac?
12:48 hoodedice why?!
12:48 sfan5[Mac] because compiling stuff for iOS
12:49 hoodedice ffmpeg?
12:49 sfan5[Mac] yes that too
12:50 PenguinDad sfan5 is on a Mackey :D
12:52 hoodedice Still don't have many followers on twiiter =/
12:54 GhostDoge[Linux] yay!
13:00 hoodedice in a "function (a, b, c)"
13:01 hoodedice a, b, c are called arguments. Is that just a fancy way of saying "variables"?
13:01 sfan5[Mac] yes
13:02 Jordach and they are only local to that function
13:02 hoodedice so, it "function (a)" the same as "function(); local a == nil"?
13:03 sfan5 no
13:03 sfan5 if you call that function with an argument 'a' will have that value
13:04 sfan5 function(a) print(a) end; a() => 'nil' is printed; a(1234) => '1234' is printed
13:04 hoodedice ah, so 'a' would be global? Or just local to the file with the function?
13:05 sfan5 local to the function
13:06 hoodedice Got it.
13:09 john_minetest sfan5: D'AAAAAAAAAWWWW
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13:16 hoodedice bbl
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13:18 [PavelS] Hello, all. I have a trouble. I use "local item = clicker:get_wielded_item()" in on_rightclick entity callback and then "item:take_item()", but it don`t work. the item is on it place. What I do wrong?
13:18 Jordach remove the local part (i've never used locals in my mods ever)
13:20 PenguinDad what was the difference between pairs() and ipairs() agaon?
13:20 PenguinDad s/agaon/again/
13:20 * Jordach doesn't remember :OP
13:20 Jordach -P
13:21 [PavelS] removing locals do not help =( "clicker:get_wielded_item():take_item()"
13:23 CraigyDavi People of minetest I need your opinion. Fix this, or leave it as it is: https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/1294
13:25 CraigyDavi It was added recently, and I think it's bad
13:27 [PavelS] May be just add note like "Your message was truncated"
13:28 CraigyDavi Yes that would be good, I was unaware that other people could not see the whole of my message
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13:34 MinetestBot GIT: Sapier at GMX dot net commited to minetest/minetest: Fix invalid cast fix resulting in chat messages beeing limited to 256 bytes 5c6cf630de 2014-05-11T15:32:15+02:00 http://git.io/yAiexw
13:35 * Jordach claps
13:35 Jordach won't fix my ass
13:39 kahrl it won't; it's not a proctologist
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13:47 MinetestBot GIT: Sapier at GMX dot net commited to minetest/minetest: Send max number of characters instead of asserting in case of too long chat messages 167df02e3d 2014-05-11T15:39:38+02:00 http://git.io/u0wvOg
13:47 Jordach CraigyDavi, ^
13:48 CraigyDavi \o/
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13:52 Jordach https://cdn.mediacru.sh/IHfRQ-3ZucEs.png :D
13:52 Jordach nearly done!
13:53 harrison ,04.............WALRUSCH.&.SEELEY..............
13:53 harrison ,04..............Marine Dry Goods..............
13:53 harrison ,04.....mackerel.repellent..rigging.soffits....
13:53 harrison ,04..cod.ballast..hardtack..brined.victuals....
13:53 harrison ,04...voyaging.emphemera..semipolar.gristle....
13:53 harrison was kicked by ShadowBot: Paste flood detected. Use a pastebin like pastebin.ubuntu.com or gist.github.com.
13:53 Jordach thank fuck
13:54 Jordach ShadowBot, ban pl0x
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13:54 Tiktalik stop that harrison, we like having eyes
13:54 pi4 harrison: stop with that already
13:54 pi4 nobody likes that
13:54 Jordach everyone continue bitching
13:54 Jordach gives the staff more reasons to kill him
13:54 pi4 Good morning everyone
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13:54 harrison .............WALRUSCH.&.SEELEY..............
13:54 harrison ..............Marine Dry Goods..............
13:55 harrison .....mackerel.repellent..rigging.soffits....
13:55 Tiktalik better
13:55 Tiktalik but just stop
13:55 Tiktalik this isn't runescape
13:55 Megaf ShadowNinja: Can't you ban harrison ?
13:55 harrison i only wanted to be accepted
13:55 Megaf LazyJ: Hi there
13:55 harrison is that so wrong?
13:56 Megaf harrison: So don't flood
13:56 Megaf Just don't
13:56 sapier megaf don't feed the troll
13:56 Megaf sapier: I like to live dengousrly (How the heck do I spell that?)
13:57 Exio4 dangerwjdifusdfgsdf
13:57 sapier dangerously ... but I'm not a native too
13:57 Amaz_ Dangerously.
13:57 Exio4 :D
13:57 Exio4 hi people
13:58 Exio4 long time no see ^^
13:58 harrison ......memehopper.approved.retailer..........
13:59 Megaf Exio4: heh
13:59 Megaf Thanks sapier and Amaz_
13:59 Amaz_ No problem!
13:59 Exio4 when i'm not sure if i spelled a word correctly, i use google translate
14:00 Exio4 if i translate it back to spanish and makes sense, it must be the wrong word or something
14:00 Amaz_ (At first I couldn't think what you were saying thanks for!)
14:00 Megaf Amaz_: heh, well, I hope you do now
14:00 Amaz_ Yep!
14:00 Megaf because you spelled it to me
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14:02 Megaf sapier: today I'm doing some tests with redis database server on a different server than minetest server is running, I hope that will speed up world loading to clients time
14:02 Exio4 Megaf: where are you from?
14:02 Megaf Hi Vazon, hows your server today? LazyJ is around!
14:02 Exio4 (dat english ^)
14:02 Vazon its great and :D finally
14:02 sapier Megaf: theroeticaly that's gonna cause a slowdown ... but you'll see
14:03 Vazon sapier
14:03 Megaf sapier: Why would it?
14:03 PenguinDad Megaf: lag
14:03 sapier network communication is always slower then disk access
14:03 john_minetest harrison: If you want to post stuff like that, just ask people to join #spasim :)
14:03 sapier unless your server was overloaded you'd not have any benefti
14:03 Megaf sapier: what if disk access on the server is really slow
14:04 sapier what if disk access on redis server is slow?
14:04 sapier comparing different disks isn't really what you wanna do, is it?
14:05 Megaf nope, the disk where mineteserver runs is really slow, and I'm using sqlite
14:05 Megaf so, I will see if things get better if I use redis server, redis running on other server with faster disk
14:05 sapier well in this case it's a very very very specific test to your personal setup
14:05 sapier the result won't be of any worth for others
14:06 Megaf well, Why would one use redis if not to run it on a different computer?
14:06 sapier why don't you just put the fast disk in your server ;-) this way you don't have the redis network overhead
14:06 Megaf sapier: "my case is very specific"
14:06 sapier ok :-)
14:07 Megaf to begin with, it's an ARM board, and the botleneck is the Class 4 SD card I'm using as storage
14:07 sapier ahh sorry :-) should've thought about this :-)
14:08 sapier btw what's benefit of using a low power arm if you have to run a separate server for database? :-)
14:08 Megaf So there's really almost no lag on CPU side, it just got 6 seconds of IO wait
14:08 Megaf sapier: the separe server will use even less power
14:08 Megaf but with my faster storage
14:09 sapier well give it a try it's almost impossible to predict what's gonna happen in this strange setup ;-)
14:09 Megaf I think my minetest server is suing at most 5 watts and the new redis server will use at ost 4 watts
14:09 Megaf still lower power usage that an Intel Atom alone
14:09 Megaf than*
14:09 sapier not sure about that, but it's your setup
14:10 Megaf well, first I'm comparing performance on PC hardware
14:10 Megaf sqlite vs redis on different server
14:11 Megaf then I will test on my real server
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14:11 sapier use same settings for sqlite as you do for redis
14:11 sapier eg. if you run sqlite in sync mode do this for redis too
14:11 Megaf I will
14:16 Vazon sapier
14:16 sapier how may I help you Vazon?
14:17 Vazon ok so when we did all that stuff yesterday and my minetest version is to 0.4.9dev it broke the mod ServerExtended and it crashes when a new person joins but it works fine on 0.4.9 stable, is there anyway to fix this?
14:18 Vazon i have used that mod for a long time and i love using it.
14:18 whiskers75 sapier: you got another mt android build?
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14:18 sapier not yet whiskers75
14:19 sapier Vazon: you still don't have additional error information? can you post a link to that mod and how to reproduce the crash?
14:19 Vazon that the thing it never gives me one, with any crash i never geta error report
14:20 LazyJ Howdy, Megaf ;) A bit late, but I'm juggling a few other chat's atm. I hide under a rock for a few days and "boom!" as soon as I pop out. ;)-
14:20 Megaf LazyJ: Hey there, How are things?
14:20 sapier ok just write an issue describe how to reproduce and add a link to the mod causing it
14:20 Vazon ok
14:20 sapier if a mod is reason for crash there has to be a crash report
14:20 Megaf It's good to hide under a rock sometimes :)
14:20 Vazon well where would it be?
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14:21 Vazon it doesnt give me one in the terminal
14:21 sapier that's the bug,
14:21 sapier there should be a report
14:21 Megaf Vazon: you may change the amount of info that minetest put on debug.txt
14:21 Megaf debug level option in minetest.conf
14:21 Vazon megaf i dont get any debug xD
14:22 Megaf You really should
14:22 Vazon nope :/
14:22 sapier whiskers75: I can't do a android build right now because recent commits to master broke various things
14:22 whiskers75 D;
14:23 CraigyDavi Vazon, it should show the info about the crash in debug.txt
14:24 sapier CraigyDavi: true .. it SHOULD ... but it doesn't do that
14:24 Megaf it would if Vazon changes the debug level in minetest.conf
14:25 sapier no Megaf errors should be there in default level
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14:26 CraigyDavi Vazon, try disabling seperate parts of the mod. First check if the se_startup loads
14:26 sapier actually a mod error should even bring up a error message
14:26 Megaf sapier: what if he set it to don't write anything?
14:26 Megaf like, debug level 0
14:27 sapier for what I remember on looking at his log yesterday it's default ;-)
14:28 Vazon ok so there was no debug.txt maby it got deleted or idk but i just created one and added the mod back in so hold on
14:30 Megaf Vazon: it should be on the minetestestfolder/bin/
14:30 Mimilus is it possible to use minenest_next default doors in a mod with minetest game without removing minetest game
14:31 sapier no he uses vanessae's restart script changeing the log file
14:31 CraigyDavi What do you mean Mimilus?
14:32 Mimilus I would to use doors from minetest next just for some doors in a mod but a would like to use old minetest game
14:33 CraigyDavi Just replace doors mod in minetest_game with the doors mod in minetest_next
14:33 Mimilus with original doors function from minetest game for some other doors
14:34 CraigyDavi I think minetest_next still uses the same functions, it should be compatible
14:35 Mimilus yes but there is sound with minetest next doors
14:36 Mimilus if a made a local copy of minetest next doors function to a lua file file in my mod folder it doesn't work
14:36 Vazon -.- i quit... now even when i have the mod turned on it does nothing
14:37 CraigyDavi Vazon, try using just se_api and see if that works. then try adding the other mods in the modpack
14:37 CraigyDavi Mimilus, what's the error?
14:37 Vazon Craigy the mod not even turning on
14:38 CraigyDavi Vazon, is the modpack in the mods folder? Or inside minetest_game?
14:38 Vazon mods
14:38 Vazon they all have dependences for each other i cant just turn on one
14:39 CraigyDavi I haev found the modpacks sometimes don't work when putting them in the mod folder. Put the mod instead into games/minetest_game/mods
14:39 Vazon what difference does that make -.-
14:40 PenguinDad CraigyDavi: that's a dirty way :O
14:40 CraigyDavi Modpacks sometimes don't become enabled when using the GUI. If you place them into minetest_game it means it WILL be loaded
14:41 PenguinDad Vazon: how's the modpack called?
14:42 Vazon ServerExtended
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14:43 CraigyDavi Remove caps.
14:43 PenguinDad is there a folder called ServerExtended in ServerExtended?
14:43 Vazon no
14:44 Jordach wtf AMD
14:44 Vazon ?
14:44 Jordach >install fglrx >OpenGL 4.4 >Steam reports OpenGL 1.4
14:45 CraigyDavi Vazon, Mods/Modpacks don't work if they haev capital letters in the name
14:45 Vazon they have before
14:45 Vazon but ok
14:45 CraigyDavi Capital letters in mods/modpacks don't work on Linux, they work on windows though.
14:46 CraigyDavi You transfered server to Linux recently?
14:46 PenguinDad CraigyDavi: they work on linux
14:46 Vazon yes......
14:46 * Vazon feels no so smart anymore
14:46 Vazon not*
14:47 CraigyDavi Does it work now?
14:47 Vazon hold on
14:48 Vazon no
14:48 Vazon it doesnt
14:49 CraigyDavi Move the modpack into minetest_game. Otherwise, I'm out of ideas.
14:49 sapier Vazon please try to create a minimum set of mods required to cause the bug
14:49 Vazon well i need the mod to turn on first -.- it wont turn on
14:50 CraigyDavi Vazon, if you put the modpack into minetest_game it will turn on automatically
14:50 Megaf What's the CMAKE thing to enable REDIS again?
14:50 Megaf cmake . -LH doesnt always show all options
14:50 Megaf I don't know why
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14:54 Vazon ok i got the crash
14:54 CraigyDavi Ok what's the crash?
14:55 Megaf "-- redis backend enabled"
14:55 Megaf And we are ready to rock!
14:56 Vazon pastebin.com/jaeD3r8j that is all it gave me when it crashed
14:57 Megaf There's no crash there
14:57 CraigyDavi Eh? Where's the crash?
14:57 Vazon exactly
14:57 Megaf Vazon: disable doors mod
14:57 Vazon the terminal just freezes
14:58 Vazon doors mod isnt the problem, its been in there from day one and works fine
14:58 CraigyDavi aaron seems to cause the crash. What privs are you giving to him?
14:59 Vazon no its when i logged in
14:59 Vazon one a new person
14:59 Vazon hes fine
14:59 Vazon as soon as it says spawn point it just dies
15:00 CraigyDavi So it's aproblem with new people joining?
15:01 Vazon yes and if i remeove the serverextended mod, its fine
15:01 Vazon and it worked fine till i moved to 0.4.9 dev from 0.4.9 stable
15:01 sfan5 uhh
15:01 sfan5 ShadowNinja: why is is doing that?
15:02 sfan5 s/is it/are you/
15:02 CraigyDavi Vazon, can you check what privs are given to new players in the config?
15:02 Vazon yes its just shout
15:02 Vazon let me double check
15:02 ShadowNinja sfan5: It's me.
15:03 sfan5 why?
15:03 ShadowNinja sfan5: For repeated flooding.
15:03 sfan5 ah
15:03 PenguinDad harrison didn't do anything except being the memehopper :(
15:03 Jordach THERE
15:03 Vazon ya server extended just has shout just like the minetest.config
15:03 Jordach tf2 works
15:03 Jordach AMD BETA driver ftw
15:04 CraigyDavi Vazon, have you set a static spawnpoint in minetest.conf?
15:04 john_minetest http://imgur.com/gallery/LDrDAQz
15:05 Vazon yes
15:06 CraigyDavi Vazon, go to se_admin_tools and remove/comment out this part of the file: https://github.com/Traxie21/ServerExtended--Unstab​le-/blob/master/se_admin_tools/init.lua#L169-L178
15:06 Vazon i just saw that xD was getting ready to
15:07 CraigyDavi If you have already set a static spawnpoint you don't need that. And it might cause problems
15:07 Vazon ya i thought the same
15:07 Vazon let me try now
15:08 CraigyDavi If it still causes errors then comment out this: https://github.com/Traxie21/ServerExtended-​-Unstable-/blob/aea5cc37af42ac6792e7f34de68​c5616f781cf44/se_startup/init.lua#L89-L92
15:09 Megaf john_minetest: That's nice
15:09 Megaf I'd like to take a photo like that
15:09 Megaf maybe on day I will
15:10 Jordach !up minetest.megaf.info 30003
15:10 MinetestBot minetest.megaf.info:30003 seems to be down
15:10 Jordach pfft
15:10 Megaf oops
15:10 Jordach one fucking time i wanna check if it works correcrlyt
15:10 Jordach correctly *
15:11 Megaf 23:58:25: ERROR[ConnectionSend]: con(4/1)RunTimeouts(): Peer 128 has timed out. (source=peer->timeout_counter)
15:11 Megaf 23:58:25: ERROR[ConnectionSend]: con(4/1)RunTimeouts(): Peer 169 has timed out. (source=peer->timeout_counter)
15:11 Megaf user@odroidu2:~/Minetest/minetest/bin$
15:11 Megaf yep
15:11 Megaf just crashed
15:11 Megaf and with no reason
15:11 Jordach i'm not even mad
15:11 Megaf minetest is not reliable at all
15:11 Jordach i'm impressed
15:11 PenguinDad !up servercra.sh
15:11 MinetestBot servercra.sh:30000 seems to be down
15:12 Jordach !up minetest.megaf.info 30003
15:12 MinetestBot minetest.megaf.info:30003 is up (407ms)
15:12 Megaf Jordach: I'm having issues with world loading time, and that's causing apparent lag of up to 6 seconds
15:12 Vazon Thanks Crairy the second one fixed it
15:13 Vazon Craigy*
15:15 CraigyDavi Great, glad i could help
15:15 CraigyDavi !next
15:15 MinetestBot Another satisfied customer. Next!
15:16 Jordach https://cdn.mediacru.sh/uV6lra8Wa5Yp.png anyone noticed a broken few pixels to the left of the window?
15:18 CraigyDavi I don't notice anything
15:18 Vazon i did
15:18 Vazon was you turning when you took that?
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15:18 PenguinDad eew unity and no
15:19 FreeFull My minetest's debug.log is almost 1GB o.o
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15:20 Vazon they get pretty big
15:20 CraigyDavi Wow thats big, I always clear it out
15:20 Vazon my was very big in december like 2GB i believe
15:22 CraigyDavi Rollback logs need to be cleared regularly, when mine reached 5GB you could not rollback without lagging the server
15:23 FreeFull The fracture mod is fun
15:23 Vazon fracture?
15:24 CraigyDavi Fracture: https://forum.minetest.net/v​iewtopic.php?f=11&amp;t=9175
15:24 Vazon that looks like a pain
15:24 Vazon to navigate
15:25 CraigyDavi It's actually rather easy
15:25 CraigyDavi This server uses it:
15:26 CraigyDavi !server Floatlands
15:26 MinetestBot CraigyDavi: Floatlands survival server | sfan5.duckdns.org:30005 | Clients: 2/15, 4 | Version: 0.4.9-dev | ping: 0.124
15:26 FreeFull It isn't
15:26 CraigyDavi Well maybe because I used super fast and no damage :)
15:26 FreeFull I'm not sure how to get saplings though
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15:27 john_minetest !server vanilla
15:27 MinetestBot john_minetest: VanessaE's mostly-vanilla minetest_game server | digitalaudioconcepts.com:30005 | Clients: 4/50, 43 | Version: 0.4.9-dev | ping: 0.097
15:27 FreeFull Leaves aren't decaying or dropping saplings when I break them
15:27 john_minetest !server e
15:27 MinetestBot john_minetest: Onez' Minetest Server | mtzeno.com | Clients: 23/25, 25 | Version: 0.4.9-dev | ping: 0.174
15:27 FreeFull The grass looks funny but I like it
15:28 Vazon i wish i could get my server ip to minerealms somthing :/
15:28 PenguinDad !server players:42
15:28 MinetestBot PenguinDad: No results
15:28 PenguinDad !server 42
15:28 MinetestBot PenguinDad: No results
15:28 john_minetest http://imgur.com/gallery/PCyizjo
15:30 CraigyDavi Vazon, I could offer you minerealms.24tails.com. But not at the moment as the configoration seems to have messed up
15:31 Vazon that soulds like hosting :/ i would like to keep it on my computer for the itme being
15:31 Vazon time*
15:32 CraigyDavi It's not hosting. All you do is go to a link and then it syncs the IP with the domain
15:32 Vazon really?
15:32 CraigyDavi Yes
15:32 Vazon o ok
15:33 FreeFull Grar, how do I get saplings
15:33 FreeFull No decay, no saplings on leaf break, no crafting
15:33 john_minetest http://imgur.com/gallery/wxMUSdd
15:35 FreeFull Not even cobblestone, when you mine you get stone o.o
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15:47 * CraigyDavi is making a new minetest game called simpletest using the simplepixels texture pack
15:48 sfan5 CraigyDavi: rename 'default' to 'simpledefault'
15:48 sfan5 and add a "Simple" in front of ever description
15:49 CraigyDavi Why?
15:51 CraigyDavi If you are using the game you would be assuming that everything would be simple :)
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16:05 Hunterz will be possible add chest and door lock to advanced area protection mod?
16:05 Eater4 Hm.....
16:05 Eater4 Possibly...
16:05 Hunterz now this mod protect only build/destroy node
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16:06 Eater4 Idk: ask ShadowNinja
16:06 Eater4 Cheapie
16:06 cheapie Hi.
16:06 Eater4 Is it possible to add a door lock to the protection mod
16:06 cheapie Possibly. Ask ShadowNinja.
16:08 Hunterz thx i will wait to reply :)
16:10 FreeFull The waving leaves shader lets you walk through leaf blocks. Odd
16:10 FreeFull Unless it's Carbone that does
16:12 PenguinDad FreeFull: it's carbone which does that
16:12 FreeFull It's Carbone
16:12 FreeFull Odd, because you can't see anything inside leaf blocks either
16:12 PenguinDad have you enabled fancy trees?
16:14 FreeFull No
16:14 FreeFull I don't have fancy trees
16:14 FreeFull Oh, wait, I know what you mean
16:14 FreeFull Nope, I like solid leaf blocks
16:14 FreeFull I suppose that's it
16:15 FreeFull Completely forgot that existed
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16:17 PenguinDad I personally prefer glasslike or plantlike leaves
16:18 Vazon Eater4
16:19 Eater4 Yes Vazon
16:20 Vazon last night you asked if i own Minerealms when i was afk
16:22 Vazon mhmm i stumbled on to the old map of my server.... im still depating wether to try to see it its still viable
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16:31 CraigyDavi I'm sure people would be more happy if you used the old map
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16:44 Mikerhinos hi
16:44 PenguinDad hello Mikerhinos!
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16:47 sapier Vazon: did you manage to get a usefull error message from that mod yet?
16:48 Vazon its fixed sapier it was just coding errors that dont corrispond with 0.4.9 dev
16:48 Vazon https://github.com/Traxie21/ServerExtended-​-Unstable-/blob/aea5cc37af42ac6792e7f34de68​c5616f781cf44/se_startup/init.lua#L89-L92
16:48 Vazon https://github.com/Traxie21/ServerExtended--Unstab​le-/blob/master/se_admin_tools/init.lua#L169-L178
16:49 Vazon that is what i removed and it fixed it
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16:49 sapier Vazon still there should be an error message
16:49 Vazon thanks to craigydave
16:49 Vazon no there was never a error message it just froze
16:49 sapier that's a bug, it's supposed to show up a bug there
16:50 Calinou hi Mikerhinos
16:50 Calinou Mikerhinos, #minetest-fr
16:50 Jordach heyt Calinou
16:50 Jordach -t
16:50 Vazon sapier this is all the debug gave me at the crash
16:50 Vazon pastebin.com/jaeD3r8j
16:52 sapier there should be a telling error message, how are you supposed to find that error?
16:53 Vazon you cant wit hout it being fixed :|
16:53 sapier well if we don't track it down now next one has to do same
16:53 sapier can you give me a link to the code causing the error?
16:54 Vazon yes i understand and its in the links above, the highlighted area cause the crash
16:54 PenguinDad <Vazon> https://github.com/Traxie21/ServerExtended-​-Unstable-/blob/aea5cc37af42ac6792e7f34de68​c5616f781cf44/se_startup/init.lua#L89-L92
16:54 MegAFK !up minetest.megaf.info 30005
16:54 MinetestBot minetest.megaf.info:30005 is up (971ms)
16:54 PenguinDad <Vazon> https://github.com/Traxie21/ServerExtended--Unstab​le-/blob/master/se_admin_tools/init.lua#L169-L178
16:54 PenguinDad ^ sapier
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16:55 sapier PenguinDad: isn't this te fixed version?
16:56 PenguinDad <Vazon> that is what i removed and it fixed it
16:56 MegAFK folks, I need you test this minetest.megaf.info 30005
16:56 MegAFK just tell me about delays and lag
16:56 MegAFK mapgen
16:56 MegAFK that info really matter
16:56 MegAFK its just a test case
16:57 Vazon ok
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17:02 Vazon well it wasnt laggy megaf
17:04 MegAFK Vazon: I need the max_lag info from /status
17:04 Vazon o i didnt have it sorry
17:05 Jordach git developer protip: don't do git rm -rf foo *
17:08 Jordach !tell BlockMen is there a fixed hud for latest git?
17:08 MinetestBot Jordach: I'll pass that on when BlockMen is around
17:09 * sfan5 meows at Jordach
17:11 Exio4 legit
17:11 Exio4 i'm half asleep
17:11 Exio4 and without realizing i went to #minetest-dev instead of another channel
17:16 * Jordach got up at 1pm today
17:21 * sfan5 meows at Jordach
17:22 Jordach i make cats look energetic :3
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17:24 PilzAdam Jordach uses unity oO
17:24 john_minetest Which unity?
17:25 john_minetest The crappy ubuntu DE or the cool game design enviroment?
17:25 Jordach >cool game design enviroment
17:25 Jordach PFFT
17:26 Jordach THAT. IS. NOT. COOL.
17:26 john_minetest unity3d is awesome.
17:27 john_minetest To prove otherwise, do a tactical, open world FPS (ARMA clone) with great assets in irrlicht.
17:27 john_minetest ;)
17:27 Eater4 sapier: do you know where I can get your apartment mod?
17:27 sapier no sorry
17:28 Eater4 You lost your own mod?
17:28 PilzAdam john_minetest, pffff, who needs Irrlicht
17:28 sapier apartment isn't my mod
17:28 PilzAdam plain OpenGL is for the cool kids
17:28 john_minetest irrlicht is way cooler than plain OpenGL
17:29 Calinou <john_minetest> unity3d is awesome.
17:29 Calinou nein.
17:29 Calinou <john_minetest> To prove otherwise, do a tactical, open world FPS (ARMA clone) with great assets in irrlicht.
17:29 Calinou there are other engines than Irrlicht
17:30 PilzAdam john_minetest, how so?
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17:35 MegAFK Calinou: rejoin please
17:35 CraigyDavi Eater4, https://github.com/Sokomine/apartment
17:35 Calinou yay, the joys of running two Minetests at once
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17:36 john_minetest PilzAdam: Unity3d is really easy to use. Everybody can make games with it.
17:37 PilzAdam [19:28:55] <john_minetest> irrlicht is way cooler than plain OpenGL
17:37 john_minetest A lot of artists just can't code.
17:37 PilzAdam ^^ I meant that
17:37 john_minetest PilzAdam: irrlicht has cool features.
17:37 PilzAdam powered by OpenGL
17:37 * MegAFK waits for Calinou and
17:37 MegAFK other people
17:37 MegAFK !up minetest.megaf.info 30005
17:37 MinetestBot minetest.megaf.info:30005 is up (749ms)
17:38 john_minetest PilzAdam: Things like keypress getting.
17:38 john_minetest Also easy 3d model loading.
17:38 john_minetest 2 libs less.
17:40 Jordach john_minetest, i loaded a model in Irrlicht easily
17:40 Jordach i just *didn't* have patience
17:41 Calinou I don't see it in list, MegAFK
17:41 Calinou <john_minetest> PilzAdam: Unity3d is really easy to use. Everybody can make games with it.
17:41 Calinou you do need programming and art skills
17:41 Calinou if you lack one of these, expect to spend tons of money
17:41 john_minetest Calinou: Lol. programming unity is so simple. I saw a video on it once-
17:41 Megaf 177.18.177.45:30005
17:41 Megaf Calinou: well, its there
17:42 john_minetest Calinou: Also there is a free unity version.
17:42 Megaf http://servers.minetest.net
17:42 Megaf redis test server
17:42 john_minetest It only costs when you make a lot of money with your game.
17:42 john_minetest 100k iirc.
17:42 Calinou john_minetest, *erm* no
17:43 Calinou non-commercial clauses are crap
17:43 Exio4 how does that matter, it is still shit in its licence and everything
17:44 Calinou ^
17:44 Calinou I was of course not talking about its biggest issue
17:53 Megaf ok, now migrating from redis to sqlite3
17:56 john_minetest Calinou: Unity Free is free as long as the user is not a commercial organization with annual gross revenues in excess of US$100,000, or an educational, academic, non-profit or government entity with a total annual budget for the entire entity in excess of US$100,000.
17:56 john_minetest There are so many great unity3d games.
17:57 Megaf sapier: You're right, sqlite is faster than redis
17:57 Megaf world loads faster when using redis
17:58 sapier how is sqlite faster if world loads faster with redis?
17:58 Megaf however, is just a little faster
17:58 Megaf s/redis/sqlite
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18:06 markveidemanis Hi
18:06 * markveidemanis has IPV6
18:10 Calinou world feels slower with LevelDB too
18:10 Calinou so actually, SQLite is not so bda
18:10 Calinou bad*
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18:14 Megaf Calinou: sqlite is one of the fastest dbs out there
18:14 Megaf IF well tuned
18:14 Calinou do you use the asynchronous stuff? I don't
18:15 Calinou lol I still have invisible_stone = false entry in my minetest.conf
18:15 Calinou it's from ~2011
18:15 Calinou had enable_clouds twice
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18:17 Krock hi
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18:18 Megaf Calinou: sometimes I just drop my minetest.conf and get a new one
18:23 Megaf Calinou: Ok, now the redis server is running on a raspberry pi
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18:34 VanessaE hi
18:34 Krock hi
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18:46 Mikerhinos o/
18:47 PenguinDad /quit Be right back!
18:47 Calinou bye
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18:50 Krock wtf? chrome got very nice in the last time..blocks download from dropbox and mediafire
18:50 Calinou use Chromium
18:51 Krock chrome = chromium
18:51 PenguinDad Krock: you download blocks?
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18:52 Krock PenguinDad: blocks à 2000kb
18:52 Calinou <Krock> chrome = chromium
18:52 Calinou not true
18:52 Krock whatever I use to 99% original google chrome browser codes
18:52 Calinou and it tracks you 8)
18:53 Krock that's the 1%
18:53 Krock !tell Calinou http://www.srware.net/en/software_srware_iron.php
18:53 MinetestBot Krock: I'll pass that on when Calinou is around
18:59 BlockMen <3 Iron
19:02 Krock ^^
19:03 Jordach <3 Iridium
19:04 Krock <3 Iod
19:04 PenguinDad <3 Osmium
19:04 CraigyDavi <3 Google Chrome
19:04 CraigyDavi <3 Being tracked
19:05 Krock <3 I see someone who didn't get the I-beginning-rythm
19:05 CraigyDavi <3 Oh
19:06 CraigyDavi <3 I realise I didn't realise
19:06 Krock <3 It's okay now
19:08 * Krock wonders why IE8 crashes after 20s of runtime
19:09 PenguinDad It's IE
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19:11 * sfan5 meows at PenguinDad
19:12 * EvergreenTree woofs at sfan5
19:12 * sfan5 flips EvergreenTree
19:12 * PenguinDad slaps Youtube
19:13 EvergreenTree No, you don't flip the woof, the woof flips you
19:13 * sfan5 taps EvergreenTree
19:13 * woof flips sfan5
19:13 * sfan5 taps EvergreenTree
19:14 EvergreenTree quit taken meh syrup!
19:14 sfan5 https://pay.reddit.com/r/ProgrammerHumor​/comments/259yt0/yo_mama_so_fat/chf6y93
19:16 CraigyDavi ^Is is a bad or a good thing that I don't get this joke? :)
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19:17 Krock sfan5: https://www.youtube.com/wa​tch?v=KB9QttUKwow#t=1m38s
19:17 * Megaf is about to migrate his server to Redis
19:17 Megaf recompiling it with redis support
19:17 PenguinDad hahaha
19:18 sfan5 !title
19:18 MinetestBot sfan5: 10 Arten von Nerds - YouTube
19:18 Megaf Germans
19:20 Megaf <3 Old Opera Internet Suite (AdBlock, Mail, IRC, Web Server, Streaming Server, File Sharing, News Reader, Widgets, Extensions, Sync, Opera Turbo and MUCH MORE)
19:21 PenguinDad Opera! :O
19:22 Megaf The only closed source software worth using
19:22 Megaf 16:21:30: ACTION[main]: Migrated 500 blocks 0.0389963% completed
19:22 Megaf That's gonna take sometime
19:22 Megaf soem time*
19:23 Jordach 500 blocks, in mapblocks or nodes
19:23 Krock nodes IIRC
19:24 CraigyDavi Probably mapblocks
19:24 Megaf 16:24:13: ACTION[main]: Migrated 19000 blocks 1.48186% completed
19:24 Megaf sapier: mapblocks, blocks or nodes?
19:24 Megaf or stuff
19:24 CraigyDavi Blocks = mapblocks
19:25 Megaf so, 1 block = 16 nodes?
19:25 PenguinDad !c 16**3
19:25 MinetestBot 4096
19:25 PenguinDad ^ Megaf
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19:26 Megaf I see
19:26 Megaf what about a chunk?
19:26 Krock chunk = mapblock
19:26 PenguinDad IIRC chunk size is configurable
19:27 CraigyDavi Nodes and Blocks, different
19:27 PenguinDad !c 4096**5
19:27 MinetestBot 1152921504606846976
19:27 PenguinDad okay
19:27 Krock PenguinDad, yes it is before generating first mapblock.
19:29 PenguinDad Krock: https://github.com/minetest/minetest/b​lob/master/minetest.conf.example#L390
19:29 Krock ik
19:30 Krock or in mapmeta.txt in a new world
19:41 CraigyDavi Random screeny: http://i.imgur.com/GSPdNrd.png
19:44 Jordach ..is that tower what i think that is
19:44 CraigyDavi It's this: https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.p​hp?f=3&amp;t=8932&amp;p=141374#p141374
19:44 Jordach i'd say there's something missing
19:44 CraigyDavi What's that?
19:44 Jordach something pretty damn large
19:45 CraigyDavi it's still a work in progress though
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19:47 CraigyDavi What's it missing Jordach?
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20:36 Exio4 hihi
20:37 CraigyDavi hi
20:37 Megaf hi
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20:39 Megaf oh dear
20:39 Megaf 17:20:29: ACTION[main]: Migrated 369500 blocks 28.8183% completed
20:39 Megaf 17:20:36: ERROR[main]: ERROR: An unhandled exception occurred: redis command 'HSET %s %s %b' failed: Server closed the connection
20:40 MinetestBot GIT: Sapier at GMX dot net commited to minetest/minetest: Fix old client showing duplicated health bar on new server 6c37e89f08 2014-05-11T22:34:44+02:00 http://git.io/hKtgCw
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20:48 EvergreenTree Hi cheapie
20:48 cheapie Hi.
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21:24 EvergreenTree Hi us`0gb
21:25 us`0gb Hey EvergreenTree!
21:27 Ritchie I want to introduce my minetest startup script: http://pastebin.com/SWj3Mr84
21:29 FreeFull Any way to kill myself on the Floatlands server and respawn?
21:29 FreeFull I'm stuck falling
21:29 FreeFull Nevermind, got to land
21:30 FreeFull Very far down though
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21:44 EvergreenTree Hi AspireMint!
21:44 EvergreenTree haven't seen you for a while
21:45 AspireMint Hello :)
21:47 FreeFull I wonder why people don't use sneak elevators more
21:47 FreeFull Do they not know about them?
21:47 CraigyDavi You could just use ladders and fast mode
21:49 EvergreenTree sneak elevators don't require fast though
21:49 FreeFull Do you know who invented them?
21:49 EvergreenTree Idk
21:49 EvergreenTree it's just a bug some exploited
21:49 * FreeFull grins
21:49 FreeFull I did
21:49 EvergreenTree no one has removed it though, because no one wants to
21:49 FreeFull On celeron's server
21:50 FreeFull Although I suppose Notch thought about them when he made minecraft, and made them impossible
21:50 EvergreenTree I suppose so
21:51 FreeFull Fast ladders also presuppose you have a lot of wood
21:51 FreeFull And when making a shaft straight down, sneak elevators are better
21:52 FreeFull Fast mode ladders also make you more likely to take damage
21:52 Ritchie Hi AspireMint :)
21:52 AspireMint Nazdars :)
21:53 FreeFull Sneaking onto an edge when falling gets rid of fall damage
21:53 FreeFull So you can fall down a sneak elevator and stop right at the end
21:57 FreeFull I invented the flat sneak elevator first, the corner one came second
21:57 FreeFull I like spiral ones best
21:59 us`0gb The problem with sneak ladders is that they don't work on all servers. They only work on servers with anticheat disabled.
22:01 FreeFull Ah, I didn't know anticheat prevented them
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22:02 SoniEx2 can you hotswap mods?
22:04 FreeFull No
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22:06 SoniEx2 damn :/
22:08 kaeza evenings
22:15 FreeFull It'd be nice if a suicide command came with default
22:15 FreeFull Since if you get stuck on a server, you can be stuck permanently
22:25 sapier FreeFull: there's at least a mod to do similar thing
22:25 sapier it makes you teleport back to spawn ... better then suicide
22:25 FreeFull There is a mod
22:26 FreeFull But it's not in default game
22:26 FreeFull So you end up with a lot of servers without it
22:26 sapier true but that's a complain you should address to server owners
22:29 us`0gb FreeFull: Anticheat prevents them from being practical due to them allowing one to surpass the speed limit. So the player is repeatedly warped downward when using them.
22:29 FreeFull Ah
22:29 us`0gb There should be a suicide command by default. Otherwise, people get stuck and have to wait for help from staff.
22:30 FreeFull Agreed with us`0gb
22:30 us`0gb Even my nearly-vanilla game had it due to how vital it is.
22:31 us`0gb That and land protection, though I can see why land protection wouldn't be in by default.
22:32 FreeFull Land protection can be abused, like locked chests
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22:33 shaqb4 ?
22:33 kaeza ??
22:33 shaqb4 Do a lot of people play minetest?
22:33 blaise yes, actually
22:34 shaqb4 sweet
22:35 us`0gb FreeFull: Agreed. Locked doors as well.
22:35 FreeFull Unless the land protection is something like "admin gives you land", or "server automatically assigns you land"
22:35 shaqb4 are there any particular features that differentiate it from minecraft and other similar games, or is it pretty much a free version?
22:36 kaeza shaqb4, there are several
22:36 us`0gb Most people who play don't seem to talk on IRC shaqb4, but if you join a good server (try VanessaE's or ShadowNinja's), you'll find other players.
22:37 us`0gb Differences: freedom, an accessible API, multiple game support, maybe more.
22:37 kaeza shaqb4, it's free, it runs on older (and crappier) computers, it's free, it is easier to mod, it's free
22:37 shaqb4 lol, I'm sensing a pattern
22:37 us`0gb Yeah, being free is probably the best feature. Modify it to your heart's content!
22:39 shaqb4 Cool. I'll probably check it out then.
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22:39 sapier did someone tell the important benefit about minetest beeing free yet? ;-)
22:40 VanessaE us`0gb: hardly no one plays my servers anymore :-/
22:40 VanessaE everyone seems to be going off to other servers now
22:40 kaeza it seems once a new server appears, it gets flooded by new users
22:40 VanessaE (you know how it is, new server, everyone floods it and the rest just sorta languish in the backwaters of the server list)
22:40 VanessaE yep, ninja'd
22:41 us`0gb VanessaE: They don't? That's sad. Last time I was there there were people, but I haven't had time to build the pull request to bring my client up to standard, so I haven't been on in a while.
22:41 sapier maybe moving server spawn to some not as crowded location could help?
22:41 kaeza probably because most of these "users" are banned from everywhere anyway :P
22:41 VanessaE us`0gb: today's peak, 17 and that's because Zeno's server is down.  the other day, it didn't even break 10.
22:42 VanessaE and that's the total of 6 servers combined.
22:42 * kaeza mumbles something about a (n optional) centralized ban list
22:43 sapier hmm  I wonder if releasing a (compatible) android version to google store would help
22:43 us`0gb Only if there could be multiple ban lists to choose from. Having a single canonical one would be fine, but there should be the option to use others, just like is done with the centralized server list.
22:43 us`0gb And F-Droid!
22:44 VanessaE the problem with a blacklist is getting people removed from it who were wrongfully added
22:44 sapier and maybe we should get a new official version beeing compatible to servers ;-)
22:44 VanessaE think US "no-fly" lists
22:44 us`0gb VanessaE: Ooh, yeah. Good point.
22:45 VanessaE sapier: how far from 0.4.10-release do you figure we are?
22:46 VanessaE (seems to me we're pretty dang close now)
22:49 sapier depends if we want android support in or not
22:50 sapier my guess it without android support about 1-2 months (if we focus on fixing bugs)  ... with android support ... at least 3 months
22:53 VanessaE eep
22:55 sapier it's not about coding VanessaE but about testing, you know as good as me different android devices behave different. That's very very time consuming
22:55 VanessaE true that.
22:55 VanessaE as today's tests have shown :)
22:56 sapier yes
22:56 sapier http://animalsmod.comuf.com/​downloads/Minetest-debug.apk
22:57 sapier anyone interested in supporting android port is requested to test this and report issues
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23:18 FreeFull Is there a watershed server?
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