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00:00 Megaf Brazil operates a ‘Simplified Tax Regime’, where imports by post or courier valued between US$50 and US$3,000 are subject to a flat 60% Import Tax on the CIF value of the import.
00:00 VanessaE yeah
00:00 VanessaE scroll down a bit
00:00 VanessaE er up a bit
00:00 VanessaE this page is too simplified for idiots
00:00 VanessaE (not saying you're an idiot)
00:01 VanessaE where's the actual duty/import code?
00:01 Megaf It's in Portuguese only http://www.receita.fazenda.gov.br/a​duana/rts.htm#Tributa%C3%A7%C3%A3o
00:01 * VanessaE lets chromium translate it...
00:02 Megaf http://translate.google.com.br/translate?hl=en​&sl=pt&u=http://www.receita.fazenda.go​v.br/aduana/rts.htm&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dhtt​p://www.receita.fazenda.gov.br/aduana/rts.htm%​2523Tributa%2525C3%2525A7%2525C3%2525A3o%26saf​e%3Doff%26client%3Dfirefox-nightly%26rls%3Dorg​.mozilla:en-US:unofficial%26channel%3Dfflb
00:02 VanessaE already on it.
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00:02 VanessaE reading...
00:05 VanessaE well at least books aren't taxed :P
00:06 VanessaE tell the shipper to declare the value at less than $50 then :)
00:06 VanessaE that's what the chinese do all the time
00:06 VanessaE for the same reason
00:06 VanessaE and I've done the same when shipping overseas at my customers' request
00:06 VanessaE also for the same reason
00:07 Megaf There are a handful of things that do work in Brazil
00:08 Megaf and tax colecting is one of them
00:08 VanessaE either that or do what crazyR suggested.  Have someone in an overseas-shipping-friendly company buy it for you and ship it you do, declared at a very low value.
00:08 VanessaE "..and ship it to you, ..."
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00:10 VanessaE have some American buy the desired on amazon with free shipping, then they turn around and use US Postal Service Flat Rate Priority to send it to you.  it'll be there in about a week and it'll only cost about $16.
00:10 Exio4 hi
00:10 VanessaE hey Exio4
00:10 * Megaf looks at VanessaE
00:10 VanessaE don't look at me, I'm too poor to do it.
00:11 VanessaE plus I can't guarantee that my idea will work
00:11 Exio4 in argentina since there are a new "import checks"
00:11 Exio4 they check if what you got is "really" what it says
00:12 Exio4 if the paper says 25 USD and you got a harddisk and a fan and lots of shit, they won't let you take it
00:12 Exio4 but if you say that is actually 200 USD when it really was 350~ there is no problem, (unless we're talking about 500 and 1000 and so on :P)
00:13 Megaf same in Brazil Exio4
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00:13 VanessaE Exio4: what if it's declared as a gift
00:13 VanessaE e.g. a birthday present or similar?
00:13 Megaf if you say something is much cheaper than really is they will tax over a price they believe is the right one
00:14 Megaf VanessaE: in Brazil it depends on the mood of the tax agent
00:14 Megaf really
00:14 Megaf Hi Exio4
00:14 Exio4 i don't really know how "gifts" are exent of the taxes
00:14 WindHero Megaf, apparently someone is looking for you on the server
00:15 Exio4 i don't think they allow a lot of "overhead" there though
00:15 Megaf WindHero: who?
00:15 WindHero PoisonedArrow
00:15 Exio4 overhead because i don't know a better word for saying price of a thing
00:15 Megaf WindHero: joing
00:15 VanessaE Megaf: well I'm afraid you're pretty well boned then
00:16 VanessaE relocate or push to have that law repealed
00:16 Megaf VanessaE: Told you, at least they did not tax my Raspberry Pi
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00:16 Exio4 VanessaE: look at argentina in the 90s
00:16 Exio4 we did everything like you said
00:17 Exio4 i actually think having everything taxed wouldn't be so bad if we actually saw that money going to REAL places
00:17 Megaf Exio4: same here
00:17 Exio4 like education, and REAL stuff, not the shitty laptops we get
00:17 VanessaE Exio4: there's nothing wrong with *reasonable* taxes.
00:17 VanessaE but a 60% import tax plus up to 30% more on top of that?  that's unreasonable.
00:18 Megaf VanessaE: Brazilian people dont mind at all in paying 55%+ of theier salaries in taxes. Only if we could have some return
00:18 Exio4 s/Brazilian//
00:18 VanessaE if your country has no manufacturing capacity to replace that which is not being imported, and it never comes about, then the import taxes serve no purpose but to line some politician's pocket.
00:18 VanessaE Megaf: americans pay about the same after all is said and done.
00:19 VanessaE or a little less perhaps
00:19 Megaf out roads are full of holes, out hospitals doesnt work and you die waiting to be heard,
00:19 VanessaE (somewhere way north of 40%, nearly 50%)
00:19 Megaf well, NOTHING here works but tax
00:19 Exio4 lol
00:19 Exio4 the solution is { Taxes }
00:20 Megaf we easily pay bilions of a 80 meter long bridge
00:20 Megaf for*
00:20 Megaf you have no idea how expensive the world cup is going to be here
00:20 Exio4 i can guess
00:21 Exio4 we barely have spare money, and when we have, it disappears or is wasted
00:24 Exio4 i know this may sound like a bit bad but the AUH (spanish link: https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asi​gnaci%C3%B3n_Universal_por_Hijo) is like one of the things that makes the "working class" a bit angry
00:24 Exio4 and the plan "Conectar igualdad", with lots of netbooks! everywhere!
00:24 Exio4 used for playing counter strike 1.6 and gta vice city at school
00:24 Exio4 because teachers don't know how to use the system properly
00:25 Exio4 and yeah, they have servers
00:25 Exio4 for not letting the kids have facebook at school!
00:25 Exio4 so they play lan games
00:26 Exio4 anyway, after three years, i'll be getting my laptop
00:26 Exio4 i had to make my CUIL three years ago, it is basically a way to track all the people
00:27 Exio4 my fingerprint and all the shit
00:27 Megaf Exio4: same here
00:27 Megaf "we" give laptops to poor kids
00:28 Exio4 here it is to "kids"
00:29 Exio4 and also, the AUH means the kid needs to go to the school
00:29 Exio4 even if the kid is only there for being a bastard to the children that really want to study
00:30 Exio4 yeah, i think that thing would have been nice in 2002
00:30 Exio4 and then said, WHEN it was made, that it would stop existing in 2004-5
00:31 Exio4 the problem is that the inflation is flying up, and there are no real numbers
00:31 Exio4 so basically the numbers the gov "manages" are waay outdated
00:32 Exio4 Aumentar la matrícula escolar.
00:32 Exio4 Mejorar la asistencia y la retención escolar de los estudiantes.
00:32 Exio4 "More children @ schools and they stay there"
00:32 Exio4 nice thing eh
00:35 Exio4 https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/C%C3%B3digo_​%C3%9Anico_de_Identificaci%C3%B3n_Laboral wtf Visual Basic
00:41 WindHero Megaf, he's back
00:44 WindHero someone also needs interact
00:45 Inocudom Mighty storms are moving across the United States.
00:46 WindHero minus Hawaii
00:46 Exio4 i thought you didn't have storms
00:46 Exio4 but tornados
00:47 Inocudom USA is the tornado capital of the planet. We also get hurricanes and Derichos.
00:47 WindHero Hawaii gets hurricanes once in a blue moon, but they usually pass by us
00:48 Inocudom In essence, the USA is the windiest country on the planet because of those tornadoes.
00:48 Exio4 However, the vast majority of tornadoes occur in the Tornado Alley region of the United States
00:49 Exio4 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tornado
00:49 Inocudom Most of them do, but they can happen in North Carolina too, and they did.
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00:51 WindHero Megaf: when you get back, someone back on the other server needed interact
00:51 WindHero their name was dookie011
00:51 WindHero but they logged off a short while ago
00:51 Inocudom Enke, did you know that xyz made a new Windows build of Freeminer recently. Look for it in Windows Builds in the Freeminer forums.
00:52 Inocudom You can test the indev farmesh feature with that build.
00:52 Exio4 https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped​ia/commons/1/1a/Globdisttornado.jpg wtf
00:55 Enke Did you see CraigiDavi's build?
00:55 Enke I'm using that one.
00:55 Inocudom Did he just post one? I will go check.
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01:57 Inocudom Bye.
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02:44 MegAFK Good night
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03:29 WindHero Well that's convenient
03:30 WindHero while coding my lockpicks, it just so happens that picking a chest one level higher than the pick of choice breaks it without fail
03:30 WindHero *the pick, that is
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03:55 WindHero huh, with the minetest-dev channel I'm getting an error saying it can't send messages to it
03:56 VanessaE only real IRC clients are allowed
03:56 VanessaE webchat is muted there.
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03:57 VanessaE use hexchat, xchat, mirc, etc etc.
03:57 VanessaE wb, RealBadAngel
03:57 WindHero weird
03:58 WindHero it worked yesterday for some reason
03:58 VanessaE not weird, it wasn't ever supposed to work anyway
03:58 VanessaE too much off-topic chatter from webchat users in general, that's why it's muted there
03:59 WindHero I guess I'll just ask here then
03:59 WindHero until I get a client app tomorrow
03:59 WindHero ah, I see
03:59 WindHero is it possible to override nodes with the form of minetest.register_node(name.."_t_1", {stuff}) in their original code?
04:00 WindHero i.e., minetest.register_node(:name.."_t_1", {stuff})
04:00 VanessaE yes, there is a minetest.override_item() call I believe it's called
04:00 VanessaE and you call it just like you just wrote there.
04:00 WindHero ah, so that's the way around it
04:00 WindHero thank you
04:00 VanessaE minetest.override_item("nodename", {new def})
04:01 VanessaE (where the new def has just the few things that need changed)
04:01 VanessaE https://github.com/minetest/minetes​t/blob/master/doc/lua_api.txt#L1244
04:02 WindHero oh, so it even lets you just replace one function while keeping the rest in-tact
04:02 WindHero that will make editing [doors] so much easier
04:02 WindHero thank you again
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04:22 lordcirth WindHero, So I improved my trap :)  It has 2 luacontrollers now for all the ports.
04:22 WindHero cool!
04:22 WindHero catch anyone yet? ;)
04:23 lordcirth WindHero, nope, singleplayer only.  although I could run it as a server briefly if you want to check it out
04:24 WindHero eh, not right now, kinda multitasking
04:24 lordcirth WindHero, ya too late tonight anyway.  let me know later if you want to see
04:24 WindHero gotta make sure my changes to doors are carried through
04:26 WindHero yay, it works
04:26 WindHero now I just gotta make that mesecons trapchest, and I'm good to go
04:26 WindHero gonna log off a while though
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09:57 reactor Eh!
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10:23 PilzAdam Hello everyone!
10:23 PenguinDad PilzAdam: o/
10:53 RealBadAngel hi PilzAdam
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11:31 Krock Helllo
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11:36 PenguinDad A wild Krock appears!
11:36 Krock Hungry...let's see if penguins are tasty
11:38 * PenguinDad uses minetest.get_player_sysinfo() at Krock
11:39 * Krock returns nil
11:40 * Krock notices, userscrips.org is under DDoS attack
11:45 * Krock sends modifed HTTP user agent to PenguinDad: "Mozilla/5.0 (MSIE 9.0; Windows NT 6.1; Trident/5.0)"
11:48 crazyR guys can you think of a reason why my server isnt generating and lava lakes. im using standard setting mapgen v6
11:48 crazyR *any
11:49 Krock crazyR, would be nice if lava is aliassed in the game
11:49 Krock minetest.register_alias("mapgen_water_source", "default:water_source")
11:50 crazyR what i mean is there is no lava other than what the nether mod created. its litrally not generating it,
11:52 Krock maybe added nocaves to the settings?
11:52 Krock *mg_params
11:52 Krock *lafs
11:52 crazyR is that what creates them
11:52 Krock it needs caves
11:52 crazyR thanks
11:52 Krock np
11:52 crazyR its wierd, on clinet they are created by defualt
11:53 crazyR *single player
11:54 crazyR mg_flags = trees, caves <-- thats the current setting for the mg_flags
11:54 * Krock still needs a bmp/png/gif map generating tool which suports leveldb and win32 >.<
11:56 * Krock thinks about making one self in c#
12:08 Krock wtf? minetest crashes on generating new leveldb
12:08 Krock -map
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12:12 Krock sfan5!
12:12 PenguinDad Krock!
12:12 Krock PenguinDad! You're not sfan5!
12:13 Megaf Hi all
12:13 Krock newest win32 build + "backend = leveldb" = crash with no error log
12:13 Krock hi alone
12:14 Megaf VanessaE: irssi and weechat for the win
12:14 PenguinDad Megaf: o/
12:15 Krock what?? Nettalk ftw
12:15 Krock (ftw in meaning of "for the win", not like "fk da world")
12:15 PenguinDad Krock: weechat is better :p
12:16 Hirato proller__: not cool man, defaulting to to RUN_IN_PLACE
12:16 proller__ why?
12:16 proller__ 99% peoples who compile from git use it
12:17 Hirato it broke my pkgbuilds :(
12:17 proller__ no problem to add it to all 2-3 packages
12:17 Hirato and you're supposed to have shit in a home directory somewhere
12:17 proller__ cmake -DRUN_IN_PLACE=0
12:18 proller__ if you clone from git - you already have shit
12:19 * Krock loves his single-minetest-folder at E:ProgrammeMinetest :)
12:19 Hirato windows is a different beastie :P
12:19 Krock Not possible to mess up folders there (almost not)
12:20 Hirato I never test running any of my stuff without a home folder
12:20 Hirato helps keep that directory clean and free of personal/user files
12:21 * Megaf listening the police! What do I do now?
12:22 Krock jump off a cobble tower -'
12:22 Krock *-^
12:22 PenguinDad Turn off the music ;)
12:22 Megaf PenguinDad: good man
12:23 Megaf Im listening The Police - Every Little Thing She Does Is Magic
12:24 Krock Magic? there you go https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4iiryJwvDtc
12:24 Krock ~title
12:24 ShadowBot Krock: Pilot - Magic - You Tube Exclusive! - IN STEREO 1975 - YouTube
12:24 Krock <3 ShadowBot
12:24 ShadowBot 04♥ Krock.
12:24 Megaf wow
12:24 PenguinDad !title
12:24 MinetestBot PenguinDad: Pilot - Magic - You Tube Exclusive! - IN STEREO 1975 - YouTube
12:24 Megaf colorful red filled heart
12:24 PenguinDad <3 MinetestBot
12:24 MinetestBot <3 PenguinDad
12:26 Megaf change the world, by eric clapton, good music too
12:27 Megaf common, everyone listening this lovely radio! http://slowradio.be/
12:29 Megaf They need help!
12:29 Megaf The only good music commercial free radio
12:29 * Hirato loads up jamendo
12:30 PenguinDad Here is a free music radio http://theradio.cc/
12:32 * Krock doesn't need internet for listening radio
12:33 PenguinDad do you know any non internet radio that plays only free music?
12:35 Krock PenguinDad, how to call something "free"?
12:44 MinetestBot GIT: jeija@mesecons.net commited to Jeija/minetest-mod-mesecons: Fix #140 once again a6916191aa 2014-04-30T14:44:47+02:00 http://git.io/NG6tXQ
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13:08 crazyR when trying to call this 'minetest.get_player_privs(name)' function i get this error and ideas: attempt to call field 'get_player_information' (a nil value)   ?
13:09 crazyR sorry wronf function
13:09 crazyR *minetest.get_player_information(name)
13:10 Krock look up doc/lua_api.txt
13:10 crazyR im on it now. all that tells me is what info i can grab.
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13:17 PenguinDad crazyR: latest git?
13:18 crazyR yep
13:18 crazyR well its the latest as of 2 days ago
13:19 PenguinDad ~help tell
13:19 ShadowBot PenguinDad: (tell <nick> <text>) -- Tells <nick> <text> the next time <nick> is seen. <nick> can contain wildcard characters, and the first matching nick will be given the note.
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13:27 john_minetest hey
13:28 Krock hey john!
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13:29 crazyR PenguinDad, Krock: the wierd thing is it works fine in local multiplayer
13:29 Krock crazyR, the weird thing is, I can't create leveldb maps
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13:33 PenguinDad hello john_minetest
13:33 crazyR lol, ouch, i cant complain on that issue, its working fine for me for once
13:37 rubenwardy Hi all!
13:39 Krock hi r b n a d
13:39 Krock u e w r y
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13:40 rubenwardy ha
13:40 rubenwardy nice
13:41 Krock do I get a cookie for this work?
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13:48 rubenwardy Of course!
13:49 Krock :D
13:50 Krock ℓσℓ тнαт'ƨ ғʋииʏ
13:51 PenguinDad ғʋииʏ тнαт?
13:53 john_minetest wнαт
13:54 PenguinDad σ_σ
13:54 Krock Õ_Õ
13:55 PenguinDad ó_Ò
14:00 john_minetest Ö_ö
14:00 john_minetest And "ö" is even on my keyboard!
14:00 john_minetest öäüß
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14:01 Krock öäüéàè
14:01 PenguinDad Äüßerhälb
14:01 Krock Even more keys
14:01 Krock Äüßërhälb
14:02 Krock ^- this
14:02 PenguinDad ĸay
14:06 FreeFull Try ǻ
14:07 Krock Where can I buy a Strawberry e?
14:08 john_minetest Schwärgöwücht.
14:08 john_minetest * ßchwärgöwücht
14:12 Krock ßchwërgëwïcht?
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14:18 john_minetest Krock: This isn't a proper word. dots on the e's are unnatural.
14:19 Krock john_minetest, ask Calinou
14:19 Krock they're natural
14:19 john_minetest In france.
14:20 FreeFull ëüŕóṕé
14:20 john_minetest Europa
14:20 Krock wut? i can't reproduce the r with ´
14:24 FreeFull ẃéŕýúíóṕáśǵḱĺźćǘńḿ
14:27 john_minetest got the wrong kbdmap
14:28 john_minetest usually I can do ´e to write that accent e
14:28 MinetestBot PilzAdam is back!
14:28 Krock OMG
14:32 rubenwardy ?
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15:01 PenguinDad ŕ
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15:03 Jordach w00t!
15:05 Jordach MONEY
15:06 PenguinDad *MONEYS
15:06 PenguinDad :p
15:06 * Jordach got an extra £11 quid in UK Gov. cash
15:07 Jordach NOTICE: BFD DEVELOPMENT HAS STOPPED FOR 1 WEEK
15:07 Jordach (i have Pokémon Y on 3DS)
15:08 Krock Jordach, WHY? Oh noez! plez not!
15:08 Jordach Krock, seen the message from MinetestBot
15:08 Krock Jordach, no. *scrols up*
15:09 PenguinDad what has PilzAdam to do with BFD development?
15:09 Jordach Krock i, too, used to be like you: https://forum.minetest.net/viewtop​ic.php?f=3&amp;t=156&amp;start=275
15:09 Krock lol
15:11 Krock Jordach, https://forum.minetest.net/v​iewtopic.php?p=11117#p11117  good old times
15:12 Jordach Krock, notice that it was ON the SAME acer tower as yours and running XP
15:12 Hirato 1 week?
15:12 Jordach we happen to have shared our history :P
15:12 Hirato I think someone's a little optimistic
15:12 Krock Jordach, yes I know.
15:12 * Krock needs to get jordach's new PC
15:12 Krock ..and throw it in some cloning machine
15:13 Jordach Krock, any quad core (AMD-A8 / Intel i5 will suffice btw)
15:14 Jordach i took the A10 as it was more value for money than the A8 (and had more specs too - like twice the stuff bundled)
15:15 Krock ok
15:17 Jordach Krock, the A10 does have a turbo mode (hint - it can go ALL THE WAY upto 6.0ghz)
15:18 Taoki Hey... I have a question about something. Is it possible to modify the size of a player's inventory? I'm thinking of a mod where some players can have a bigger inventory, whereas others might have no inventory at all. Is this possible?
15:18 Krock Jordach, ah yes, I know those turbo buttoms from my mother's 90' PC, speedup from 75 MHz to 80! WOW
15:18 Krock *buttons
15:18 Taoki By no inventory at all, I mean neither inventory nor hotbar, and no ability to hold or carry any item. I wonder if that's doable in any form
15:18 Jordach Taoki, look at PilzAdam's nodetopia
15:18 PenguinDad Taoki: nodetopia
15:18 Jordach that has something like it (different inv size)
15:18 Taoki Ok :)
15:20 sfan5 Krock!
15:20 Krock sfan5! Help!
15:20 rubenwardy in #minetest-mods: <rubenwardy> You could remove the hotbar from the HUD, and overwrite the inventory formspec for no inventory
15:21 sfan5 Krock: I was able to reproduce your problem, but I dunno what causes it
15:22 Krock sfan5, seems like libleveldb.dll causes those problems
15:22 Krock could have a typo in it? no idea
15:22 sfan5 I might have to recompile it
15:22 sfan5 *sigh*
15:22 sfan5 no it couldn't
15:22 Taoki PenguinDad: Where do I find the feature there?
15:23 PenguinDad look at the backpack thing
15:24 Taoki Not seeing any backpack
15:25 PenguinDad Taoki: https://github.com/PilzAdam/nodetopi​a/blob/master/mods/backpack/init.lua
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15:27 PenguinDad player:get_inventory():set_size("main", 0)
15:27 PenguinDad ^ Taoki
15:27 Krock srsly? what's the use of remove inventory space? where will the items go to?
15:27 Taoki Nice
15:28 Taoki Does that affect the hotbar?
15:28 Taoki I mean, the hotbar isn't a special inventory slot right? Just a part of the user's inventory
15:28 Krock player.hud_set_hotbar_itemcount(player, 6)
15:28 Krock set to 0?
15:28 Taoki Oh, nice. If it works that way it's all good
15:28 Taoki Sure :)
15:29 Taoki The number must be at least 1 though. Can prolly find a way around that however
15:30 * PenguinDad is listening to czech heavy metal
15:30 Krock Taoki, just allow 1 inventory slot..enough space for 99 cobble through
15:30 Megaf VanessaE: How do I use the detector tube?
15:31 Krock Megaf, connect it on both sides with normal tubes, and on one side with a mesecon
15:31 Krock (ansering cuz vanessae maybe is afk or offline)
15:32 Krock It will send a mesecon signal when a item goes through it
15:32 Megaf Krock: so I did right, but nothing happens
15:33 Krock Megaf, maybe the signal is just over 0.01s? try again
15:36 Megaf I just worked once
15:36 Megaf it doesnt work very well
15:36 Krock but it does
15:38 sfan5 meow
15:38 Jordach i am not a smart person
15:38 Jordach just tried to put my headphones to hear the 3DS better
15:38 Krock wow. post nr. 14'000 posted by MirceaKitsune
15:38 Jordach and its in the PC socket
15:39 Taoki yay
15:39 Taoki Had no idea what I just did :P
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15:41 Calinou hi
15:41 Krock hi.
15:41 * sfan5 meows at Calinou
15:41 Calinou PilzAdam, would doubling mob spawn ABM interval (from 30 to 60 seconds), and dividing chance by 2, reduce server load?
15:42 Calinou it looks like mob spawns are the most demanding thing on the server
15:42 PilzAdam Calinou, yes, that could work
15:42 Calinou I'll try doing that then
15:42 PilzAdam I think I already did that in Nodetopia
15:43 PilzAdam you could even divide it by 8 or 16
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15:43 Calinou it checks for two air nodes: checking for only one may be faster?
15:43 Calinou (I don't care if some mobs spawn with head in stone, not a big problem)
15:44 Calinou actually may help me a bit :D
15:45 Calinou PilzAdam, 8 or 16 seems like a lot, that would mean mob spawns occur every 4 or 8 minutes
15:45 Calinou I'll try 120 second interval
15:48 Calinou heh, I saw 3 rats spawn at the same time
15:51 Calinou PilzAdam, I get short freezes on mob spawns now
15:52 PilzAdam Calinou, divide the time by 16 and multiply the chance by 16
15:52 PilzAdam its the same spawn rate but less nodes per step
15:53 Calinou ah
15:53 Calinou I thought you wanted me to make the ABM run less often
15:54 Calinou also, did a nice thing: mobs always jump while attacking :D
15:54 Calinou harder to hit, follows you faster when climbling up
15:54 Calinou PilzAdam, how would I divide 30 by 16? :p
15:54 Calinou how often should the ABM run?
15:55 PilzAdam you could try making it 1 second
15:55 Calinou won't that choke the server?
15:55 Calinou I'd say 2 seconds, like leaf decay
15:58 Calinou seems better now (with 2 seconds)
15:59 markveidemanis !up sslv.tk 30010
15:59 MinetestBot sslv.tk:30010 is up (344ms)
15:59 markveidemanis Mm
15:59 markveidemanis DNS is much quicker than I thought
16:00 markveidemanis like, 20 sec ago
16:00 markveidemanis !server players:least
16:00 MinetestBot markveidemanis: Road | setun.net:30002 | Clients: 0/497, 31 | Version: 0.4.9.3-free-dev | ping: 0.060
16:00 markveidemanis !server players:least
16:00 MinetestBot markveidemanis: Road | setun.net:30002 | Clients: 0/497, 31 | Version: 0.4.9.3-free-dev | ping: 0.060
16:00 markveidemanis Erm... Not hod i'd do it
16:01 markveidemanis 0/143666931  players lol
16:01 PenguinDad !server port:most
16:01 MinetestBot PenguinDad: No results
16:01 PenguinDad !server players:most
16:01 MinetestBot PenguinDad: RPi Game Test | minetest.megaf.info:30001 | Clients: 20/40, 28 | Version: 0.4.9-RPi | ping: 0.322
16:01 MegafK !seen shadowzone
16:01 MinetestBot MegafK: shadowzone was last seen at 2014-04-07 16:51:17 UTC on #minetest
16:01 markveidemanis !server players:median
16:01 MinetestBot markveidemanis: No results
16:02 PenguinDad !server ping:least
16:02 MinetestBot PenguinDad: Clip Public Server | 188.40.69.134 | Clients: 15/24, 31 | Version: 0.4.9-dev | ping: 0.002
16:02 Krock ~up minetest.ntdll.net
16:02 ShadowBot Krock: minetest.ntdll.net port 30000 is up (215ms)
16:02 MegafK !tell shadowzone I granted you privs, so you can grant interact to people on Pixel Art
16:02 MinetestBot MegafK: I'll pass that on when shadowzone is around
16:02 Krock woo
16:02 markveidemanis Hmm
16:02 markveidemanis What if the bots show ping differently
16:03 markveidemanis !up sslv.tk 30010
16:03 MinetestBot sslv.tk:30010 is up (431ms)
16:03 markveidemanis ~up sslv.tk 30010
16:03 MegafK ~up minetest.megaf.info 30004
16:03 ShadowBot markveidemanis: sslv.tk port 30010 is up (1611ms)
16:03 ShadowBot MegafK: minetest.megaf.info port 30004 is down
16:03 Krock what if bots are located on diffrent places on the world?
16:03 markveidemanis woah yep
16:03 MegafK ~up minetest.megaf.info 30003
16:03 ShadowBot MegafK: minetest.megaf.info port 30003 is up (563ms)
16:03 MegafK !up minetest.megaf.info 30003
16:03 MinetestBot minetest.megaf.info:30003 is up (577ms)
16:03 Krock plz stop
16:03 MegafK bots are lagged
16:03 markveidemanis Try connecting to sslv.tk:30010
16:03 PenguinDad ShadowBot is in the us IIRC
16:03 ShadowBot PenguinDad: Error: You must be registered to use this command. If you are already registered, you must either identify (using the identify command) or add a hostmask matching your current hostmask (using the "hostmask add" command).
16:03 markveidemanis I was told everyone times out
16:04 Krock join inchranet irc, #botwar
16:04 Krock there's shadowbot sandbox
16:04 Calinou now you can meet tree and sand monsters in caves in Carbone! free sand and saplings for everyone!
16:04 Krock I've read "sand saplings" wtf?
16:04 Krock lol
16:05 Calinou plant sand!
16:05 Calinou git commit . -m "Add sand saplings as requested by Krock."
16:05 Calinou oops, wrong window
16:06 PenguinDad :D
16:06 markveidemanis Just how
16:07 PenguinDad the sand monsters are running away from me xD
16:09 markveidemanis ERROR[ConnectionSend]: con(6/1)RunTimeouts(): Peer 2 has timed out. (source=peer->timeout_counter)
16:12 PenguinDad markveidemanis: only a normal timeout
16:12 markveidemanis How do i alter the time?
16:13 PenguinDad why would you need to?
16:15 markveidemanis Because there's a crapload to load
16:15 markveidemanis num_emerge_threads = 3
16:15 markveidemanis media_fetch_threads = 1
16:15 markveidemanis Is that effective?
16:15 markveidemanis ( I have 4 processors )
16:15 PenguinDad 30 seconds is not enough?
16:16 markveidemanis WOah no definitely
16:16 markveidemanis Not on this connection
16:16 PenguinDad markveidemanis: media_fetch_threads is client side
16:16 markveidemanis okay, 4 then
16:17 markveidemanis What about this timeout
16:17 PenguinDad num_emerge_threads is server side
16:18 PenguinDad and media_fetch_threads only works on servers with remote_media
16:20 markveidemanis What about this timeout though?
16:20 Calinou I'll put my num_emerge_threads to 8 to try
16:21 Calinou 271% CPU used by Minetest \o/
16:21 Megaf 13:09:27  markveidemanis | ERROR[ConnectionSend]: con(6/1)RunTimeouts(): Peer 2 has timed out. (source=peer->timeout_counter)
16:22 Megaf That's a work around for a bug
16:22 markveidemanis wha?
16:22 Megaf may be someone using a messy client on a tablet
16:27 PenguinDad play singleplayer in latest git and look at the console when you leave the world with "exit to os"
16:28 PenguinDad sometimes you get a timeout
16:32 Krock PenguinDad, or just keep the console open
16:33 PenguinDad I didn't say when to look at the console
16:33 Krock nvm
16:40 Krock sfan5, any success?
16:44 sfan5 Krock: I did not try yet, sorry
16:45 Krock sfan5, oh ok. It's not very important but still a dust corn in the eye
16:45 * markveidemanis migrates to sqlite3
16:45 * Krock headdesks
16:45 sfan5 markveidemanis: lolwut
16:46 markveidemanis http://irc.minetest.ru/minet​est-dev/2014-03-27#i_3630978
16:50 VanessaE Jordach, happy birthday
16:52 sfan5 Krock: minetest is in germany & ShadowBot in US
16:52 Krock k
16:53 markveidemanis What if i use Tor for a minetest server?
16:54 Krock markveidemanis, can't trust server admins? lol
16:54 Megaf markveidemanis: really laggy
16:54 sfan5 markveidemanis: you can't
16:54 sfan5 tor only transfers TCP trafficx
16:54 sfan5 -x
16:55 Megaf sfan5: you can always use some kind of proxy
16:55 sfan5 UDP in TCP deafeats any purpose in udp
16:56 sfan5 Krock: try replacing libleveldb.dll with http://sfan5.duckdns.org/libleveldb.dll
16:56 Krock 404 Not Found
16:56 sfan5 try again
16:58 Exio4CI joined #minetest
16:59 Exio4CI yay got free laptop
16:59 sfan5 wat
16:59 sfan5 give it to me
16:59 Exio4CI gov laptop
16:59 Exio4CI it is shit but is free
16:59 Krock sfan5, you earned 20 karma
16:59 Krock thx :D
16:59 sfan5 it works?
16:59 Exio4CI and there is no real use outside playing CS1.6 and GTA VC
16:59 sfan5 Exio4CI: win XP?
16:59 Krock yeah works perfect
16:59 sfan5 ok good
17:00 Exio4CI windows 7 pro
17:00 OldCoder joined #minetest
17:00 Exio4CI and a argentinian linux distro
17:00 Exio4CI both are shit
17:00 sfan5 hello OldCoder
17:00 sfan5 install linux mint
17:00 Krock don't
17:00 Exio4CI so i'm going to remove them, make a backup of the apps
17:00 OldCoder sfan5, Hello back
17:00 sfan5 (on an usb if you're not allowed to touch the hdd)
17:00 OldCoder Mint is O.K.
17:00 Exio4CI lol linux mint
17:00 Krock winfows XP ftw
17:00 OldCoder Depending on purpose
17:00 Exio4CI it is mine
17:00 sfan5 wub wub wub wub wub wub
17:01 Exio4CI i'll go with debian stable and a sid lxc
17:01 sfan5 damnit
17:01 * OldCoder got tired of fixing a roommate's Windows 8 laptop so he scrubbed it and installed Mint 16. Roommate says, "Just like Windows!" and is telling his friends to switch.
17:01 Exio4CI of course, i'll setup distcc here and in my debian sid
17:01 sfan5 why is the FTP for sfan5.pf-control.de not working..
17:01 Krock .pf-control.de?
17:01 Exio4CI because i haxd it with my windows 7 pro laptop
17:02 Exio4CI you should be scared sfan5, VRY scared
17:02 * Calinou updated to Firefox 29
17:02 sfan5 Krock: yep ,that's my secondary homepage
17:02 Calinou GNOME 3, hello
17:02 Exio4CI Calinou: hi :D
17:02 Krock sfan5, hmm works fine for me there :3
17:02 Krock (the FTP access on my page)
17:02 Exio4CI Firefox 12 here
17:02 sfan5 it mostly hosts the packages I use for win builds
17:02 * Krock updated to fake-fox 29
17:02 Exio4CI i didn't touch anything yet
17:02 sfan5 Calinou: and do you like the new design?
17:02 * Krock just changed the useragent
17:03 Exio4CI damn
17:03 Exio4CI the spanish keymap is a pain
17:03 sfan5 Status:Verbindungsversuch fehlgeschlagen mit "ECONNREFUSED - Connection refused by server".
17:03 sfan5 >:(
17:03 Exio4CI too used to us keymap
17:03 Krock sfan5, try passive connecting
17:03 sfan5 uhh wat
17:04 sfan5 if port 21 does not accept connections active <-> passive will not do anything
17:04 Krock "Probieren geht über studieren."
17:05 Calinou sfan5, better than the old one
17:05 sfan5 I think it's better too
17:05 Calinou there's no point in complaining about it
17:05 Calinou I'll probably like it more
17:05 sfan5 golem.de wrote an article about it saying that the "not like" rates (feedback) got higher
17:06 sfan5 uhh wait
17:06 sfan5 heise.de*
17:06 sfan5 http://www.heise.de/newsticker/meldung/K​ommentar-Worst-Firefox-EVER-2180139.html
17:06 Exio4CI :(
17:07 Calinou typical computer users.
17:08 Exio4CI i have mixed feelings with it
17:08 Exio4CI :D
17:08 Exio4CI four threads
17:08 hoodedice joined #minetest
17:08 Exio4CI two cores
17:09 Exio4CI i wonder how many minutes will it need for compiling the kernel
17:09 hoodedice Hello miners!
17:09 Exio4CI i guess 10-15
17:09 Exio4CI hello hoodedices
17:09 Exio4CI :D
17:10 Exio4CI Tamaño de memoria máximo (depende del tipo de memoria) 2 GB
17:10 hoodedice =D
17:10 Exio4CI wtf max memory 2gb!? cpu-capped?!
17:10 sfan5 ooh
17:10 Exio4CI i can't have more?!
17:10 Exio4CI damn
17:10 sfan5 there are thunderbolts outside
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17:12 Calinou hi hoodedice
17:12 hoodedice hello
17:12 Calinou <hoodedice> Hello miners!
17:12 hoodedice =D
17:12 Calinou is what monsters in Carbone say when they attack you (they really do... or not.)
17:13 hoodedice rly? nice feature
17:13 Calinou :p
17:13 Calinou I could add that
17:13 hoodedice ya, might be good
17:13 hoodedice I hate to do this, but I have to pack up this laptop, so I might disconnect
17:14 hoodedice I'm saying this because I just connected, and I've been warned against disconnecting too quickly
17:14 hoodedice k bai
17:14 Jordach lol
17:14 hoodedice Weren't you playing Pokemon?
17:15 hoodedice Go back to your game, you heartless jerk
17:15 hoodedice *sob*
17:15 Exio4CI i{m out
17:15 Exio4CI see ya
17:15 Krock bai
17:16 Calinou DuckDuckGo doesn't like me, if I type my mod names in them, they are not in the first page
17:16 Calinou however... https://duckduckgo.com/?q=xfences
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17:20 Krock kaeza, HAPPY B-DAY!
17:20 kaeza thanks :D
17:21 sfan5 kaeza: is it your birthday today?
17:21 kaeza yep
17:21 sfan5 ooh
17:21 kaeza and Jordach's
17:21 * sfan5 throws a bucket of love and birthday wishes at kaeza and Jordach
17:22 kaeza awww thanks <3
17:22 * kaeza hands Jordach a beer
17:23 * sfan5 gives kaeza a beer
17:23 sfan5 Krock: do you have a 64-bit system?
17:23 sfan5 D: more thunderbolts outside
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17:23 Krock sfan5, Windows XP SP3 Home x86
17:23 Jordach thats better
17:23 Krock 32bit
17:23 sfan5 you should upgrade
17:24 Krock I upgraded my useragent. that's enough
17:24 kaeza Jordach, 0 days \o/
17:24 sfan5 Krock: IE (even if you don't use it, it is used in serveral places) has an un-patched 0day floating around
17:24 Inocudom I must ask the developers to consider the advancements made by darkrose concerning nodeboxes.
17:24 Krock sfan5, all IE versions?
17:24 sfan5 yes
17:24 sfan5 all of them!
17:24 Krock ack
17:25 Inocudom Better lighting, diagonal sides.
17:25 Krock damn you hackers!
17:25 VanessaE kaeza: happy birthday
17:26 kaeza thank you V :)
17:26 Inocudom Happy birthday kaexa.
17:26 Inocudom Happy birthday kaeza.
17:26 kaeza thanks :P
17:27 Inocudom VanessaE, what do you know about the advancements that darkrose made concerning nodeboxes?
17:27 * Krock searchs in google hopeless for "3rd party windows xp updates"
17:27 VanessaE Inocudom: only that she only works with Minetest Classic, not 0.4.x
17:28 sfan5 Krock: you can pay M$ with $50,000 to get a support contract
17:28 Krock sfan5, eh. no thanks.
17:29 Inocudom I know that, but the developers of Minetest main don't consider her efforts with smoother lighting and diagonal sides.
17:29 VanessaE sfan5: and it serves people right for still using IE, let alone doing so under XP
17:30 VanessaE I guess her efforts can't be forward-ported to 0.4.x
17:30 VanessaE but I'm glad she fixed that
17:30 VanessaE that is a major issue
17:30 VanessaE RealBadAngel wants to solve it for 0.4.x by going with hardware lighting in the client
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17:31 Inocudom Then those efforts would have to be remade for Minetest main. I'm surprised proller and MirceaKitsune have not tried such things.
17:31 sfan5 <random> new win32/win64 build: https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.p​hp?f=3&amp;t=1523&amp;p=140109#p140109 </random>
17:31 * VanessaE pokes Taoki
17:32 Inocudom I do know that you do 64-bit builds now, sfan5. I still use Fess's though.
17:32 sfan5 I did it recently
17:33 sfan5 Couldn't let BlockMen be the only person to do win32 + win64
17:33 sfan5 :P
17:33 Krock xD
17:34 Inocudom With luck, CraigyDavi could soon learn how to do the same for Freeminer. He makes builds for it. Freeminer is the bug tester for new Minetest features, so why not?
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17:39 markveidemanis How do i increase the timeout?
17:43 * PenguinDad is a bit afraid of the thunderstorm
17:45 Krock markveidemanis, try the server unload unused data thingie
17:46 markveidemanis Won't work
17:48 VanessaE Inocudom: freeminer is not a textbed for minetest features
17:48 VanessaE it's its own engine these days
17:48 VanessaE testbed*
17:48 * PenguinDad gives kaeza and Jordach a fishy cake
17:48 VanessaE it's mostly compatible but it has many things that minetest engine does not, and vice versa.
17:51 markveidemanis Wheres the file that handles the error "ERROR[ConnectionSend]: con(6/1)RunTimeouts(): Peer 2 has timed out. (source=peer->timeout_counter)"
17:51 Krock debug.txt
17:51 Calinou More Blocks update is out: more intuitive crafting :)
17:51 Calinou (finally)
17:51 Calinou happy birthday kaeza
17:52 * Calinou hands kaeza a stack of Trap Super Glow Glass (which looks different from Super Glow Glass now)
17:52 Inocudom What is it that you mean by that, Calinou?
17:52 * Krock uninstalls MSE
17:53 markveidemanis sfan5|Calinou|(DEV)Wheres the file that handles the error "ERROR[ConnectionSend]: con(6/1)RunTimeouts(): Peer 2 has timed out. (source=peer->timeout_counter)"
17:53 VanessaE Calinou: it always looked different in HDX :P
17:53 VanessaE (trapstone/glass has a metal edge with screws)
17:54 Inocudom Of course, it is a very good thing that you are still maintaining moreblocks, because it is an extremely useful mod.
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17:58 Calinou new Trap Stone texture added
17:58 Calinou (finally up-to-date)
17:58 Calinou Inocudom, trap glow glass/super glow glass uses a different texture now, which means it can be spotted
17:58 Calinou before, it used the same texture
17:59 Calinou it was too easy to trap people ;)
17:59 Calinou oh, and recipes using Mese crystals use Mese crystal fragments now
17:59 Calinou oh, and legacy code (6d facedir conversion and aliases) is no longer used by default, for faster loading.
18:00 Calinou you can enable it back if you need it
18:00 * Calinou just found a nyan cat in the sky
18:02 sfan5 markveidemanis: connection.cpp
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18:03 markveidemanis Thanks
18:03 markveidemanis Any specific line?
18:03 sfan5 look for "has timed out"
18:04 markveidemanis define PING_TIMEOUT 5.0
18:04 markveidemanis No, connection timeout, media loading
18:04 sfan5 media timeout has nothing to do with that error msg
18:04 markveidemanis Will define PING_TIMEOUT 5.0 work?
18:05 sfan5 maybe
18:05 sfan5 5.0 seems way too high
18:05 sfan5 hm
18:05 sfan5 oh wait
18:08 CraigyDavi Hi everyone
18:08 markveidemanis Hi
18:14 Krock joined #minetest
18:15 * Krock has returned
18:16 CraigyDavi hi Krock
18:16 Calinou hi CraigyDavi
18:17 Mikerhinos joined #minetest
18:17 Krock hi Calinou
18:17 Mikerhinos o/
18:17 CraigyDavi \o
18:17 proller joined #minetest
18:18 Calinou /)(^ε^)(\
18:18 Mikerhinos lol
18:18 PenguinDad Krock used Resurrection!
18:18 Calinou M£$€
18:18 Calinou ^ an economist's view on Mese
18:18 PenguinDad :D
18:18 Mikerhinos Tonight is merguez partie
18:19 Krock Calinou, omg... yes!
18:20 Krock lol؟
18:21 Krock M∑∫℮
18:21 Krock maths version
18:21 markveidemanis Did you know you can use 'l' in the same way as 'ls' ?
18:22 Krock nope.
18:22 PenguinDad "bash: l: Kommando nicht gefunden." :(
18:22 Krock Leoleo -> lol?
18:22 Krock *lsols
18:23 sfan5 markveidemanis: it's an ubuntu specific alias
18:23 sfan5 l -> ls -CF
18:23 Krock Perfect, I'lsls replsace alsls 'l' with 'ls'
18:23 Krock </stupid windows user>
18:24 * markveidemanis wonders if he can use 3g to host a server
18:24 sfan5 what did you just say?
18:24 sfan5 markveidemanis: yes you can, it will however not be fast
18:25 markveidemanis 2.1ms to ping google
18:25 PenguinDad markveidemanis: if you have a 3g like mine no
18:26 PenguinDad +connection
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18:29 PenguinDad specing is a bit late for april ;)
18:29 markveidemanis !up 192.168.42.130 30010
18:29 MinetestBot 192.168.42.130:30010 seems to be down
18:29 sfan5 >192.168
18:29 markveidemanis !up sslv.tk 30010
18:29 sfan5 are you joking?
18:29 MinetestBot sslv.tk:30010 seems to be down
18:30 markveidemanis whatismyip does not change if i connect my phone
18:30 markveidemanis oh shit forgot to enable 3g
18:30 sfan5 you need to enable usb tethering and disable other network connections on your pc
18:31 Krock ~up 192.168.1.1
18:31 ShadowBot Krock: 192.168.1.1 port 30000 is down
18:31 Krock too bad >:D
18:31 sfan5 ~up 127.0.0.1 30000
18:31 ShadowBot sfan5: 127.0.0.1 port 30000 is down
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18:32 PenguinDad ~up 0.0.0.0
18:32 Krock ~up [:::1]
18:32 ShadowBot PenguinDad: 0.0.0.0 port 30000 is down
18:32 ShadowBot Krock: [:::1] Error. Invalid address?
18:32 markveidemanis The phone just used it's connection to WiFi
18:32 sfan5 are you on a phone?
18:33 markveidemanis nope
18:33 sfan5 do you intend to host the server on your phone?
18:33 Krock ~up 256.256.256.256
18:33 ShadowBot Krock: 256.256.256.256 Error. Invalid address?
18:33 markveidemanis Not really
18:34 Krock markveidemanis, do it. phones are the future servers
18:34 PenguinDad markveidemanis: buy an ARM server
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18:42 * Jordach is having a pint this weekend
18:43 markveidemanis aww
18:43 * markveidemanis pets Jordach
18:46 * Calinou throws a rat in Jordach's pint
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18:47 markveidemanis :P
18:49 * markveidemanis sets up a DNS server
18:50 * PenguinDad sets up DuckDNS
18:51 * Krock likes dnsynamic.org and its simpleness
18:51 * Krock *dnsdynamic
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18:55 Taoki I wonder... is it possible to only allow certain players to obtain certain items? And forbid some from containing certain items in their inventory in any form
18:56 Calinou scan their inventory, ban them if they have item *runs*
18:56 Calinou or disallow any action out of them, to make them useless
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18:59 CraigyDavi I get this when loading my server :(
18:59 CraigyDavi ERROR: An unhandled exception occurred: ServerEnvironment::loadMeta(): EnvArgsEnd not found
19:00 PilzAdam Taoki, double post FTW!
19:00 Taoki Higher chances of getting an answer sometimes :P
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19:01 PenguinDad CraigyDavi: delete your env_meta.txt
19:02 us`0gb joined #minetest
19:07 CraigyDavi Phew, thanks PenguinDad.
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19:13 Taoki Also: Is it really not possible to store custom Lua properties of players between server restarts? Like for example to persist appearance... model and texture
19:14 Taoki Lua entities can be persisted with custom values. And players also have properties they are persisted with, like last position and HP and everything... so I assume you could add your own stuff there too?
19:15 Taoki Calinou: And it's not to enforce a rule... just to have specific players be able to use specific items or even carry them :) Classes and the like
19:18 Calinou Taoki, did you see my PM?
19:18 Calinou (sorry if it sounded harsh, that was not my intention)
19:18 Taoki Yeah. And it's ok. Really don't care about image hosting service though, I just use whatever works best :p
19:20 Jordach Taoki, https://mediacru.sh
19:21 Taoki PilzAdam: Any examples of how to persist Lua fields for players? I haven't quite understood if this is possible yet or not, but it makes little sense for it not to be
19:23 Calinou “Really don't care about image hosting service though” → other people may do
19:23 Calinou tinypic shows questionable images in the footer
19:24 Jordach yeah
19:24 Jordach at least it isn't piratepaste
19:24 PilzAdam Taoki, see stats mod in Nodetopia
19:24 Taoki People seeing that might have an error. It's one of the biggest image hosting sites
19:24 Taoki PilzAdam: Thanks
19:25 Calinou no, I don't
19:25 Calinou even imgur's “related images” is not as bad
19:25 Calinou i.e. it shows only SFW stuff
19:25 Jordach Calinou, only because it shows clop
19:26 Taoki PilzAdam: Ah, you must write them to a text file? Was hoping player properties could be stored in the database directly like for entities. Of course, if it works and isn't slow, I cannot complain
19:26 Taoki Clop! Haha... I wasn't expecting someone to use that term here :P
19:29 Calinou /giveme moreblocks:clop
19:29 VanessaE Dreambuilder game updated :)
19:30 Mikerhinos VanessaE: great, i'm trying actual version now with my sons lol ;)
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19:31 Calinou no GitHub repository?
19:32 Calinou hi Mikerhinos
19:32 Mikerhinos o/ Calinou
19:33 PenguinDad dreambuilder might be too big for github
19:36 Inocudom Bye.
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19:36 VanessaE Calinou: nope.
19:36 VanessaE PenguinDad: hah, nope
19:36 VanessaE not even close
19:37 Calinou GitHub has no strict size limit, but they say 1 GB
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19:37 VanessaE Github has a soft limit of 1 GB
19:37 VanessaE I just haven't created a proper repo yet
19:37 Calinou ninja'd! I mean, fast mode'd!
19:37 VanessaE heh
19:39 markveidemanis Anyone know a simple DNS server program?
19:39 markveidemanis for linux. PTR is all I need
19:46 Mikerhinos VanessaE: still have many item textures not appearing in inventory :( unified inventory mod link is bugged in google so I don't know how to give home privilege, do you remember the command line ?
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19:47 VanessaE Calinou: https://github.com/VanessaE/dreambuilder_game
19:50 Calinou OK :)
19:51 VanessaE all of the commits in the future will just read "various updates" though :)
19:51 VanessaE (the updates are automated, easier that way)
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20:03 Jordach lazy ass bitch :D
20:03 Jordach i see my style of doing fuck all appears to be spreading
20:08 Calinou https://cdn.mediacru.sh/PC001m6K6hZB.png ← how More Blocks code looks here
20:08 Calinou just for fun :)
20:12 Taoki Is it possible to have Lua control some player privileges entirely? Such as fast, fly and interact. Does any mod do that, and can it conflict with admins setting them manually?
20:12 EvergreenTree What IDE was Calinou using?
20:12 diemartin Geany
20:12 diemartin <3
20:12 Taoki Same one I use since moving to Linux :)
20:12 PenguinDad Calinou uses Geany
20:13 EvergreenTree Geany is awesome
20:13 EvergreenTree :3
20:13 EvergreenTree I might turn it into a terminal style like that
20:13 VanessaE ok the commits are not automated now, but the messages will probably still be generic :P
20:13 Jordach Gedit
20:13 Jordach GEDIT
20:13 Jordach or Notepad++
20:13 VanessaE http://xkcd.com/1296/
20:13 diemartin Gedit sucks
20:14 VanessaE (I just had to rewrite one of my scripts, just being lazy)
20:14 diemartin lol
20:14 VanessaE expect commit messages like the above :P
20:14 VanessaE Gedit Is Your Friend™
20:16 PenguinDad http://ghostdoge.duckdns.org:8080/ could someone please try to load that page?
20:16 Jordach nuthin
20:17 diemartin PenguinDad, nope
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20:18 PenguinDad TIL my internet connection is fucked :(
20:18 diemartin did you try turning it off and on again?
20:19 PilzAdam PenguinDad, who wants children with an internet connection?
20:19 * sfan5 meows at EvergreenTree
20:19 EvergreenTree mrowr
20:21 PenguinDad can't wait until I get DSL here
20:21 sfan5 you don't have DSL?
20:22 sfan5 WTF do you live? (first 'W' = where)
20:23 PenguinDad my city has DSL but not my house
20:24 crazyR whats the benefit of using luaJit on my server?
20:25 VanessaE PenguinDad: "connecting..." is as far as I get with it, and I can't ping it.  But it does resolve (to 82.113.98.178)
20:25 VanessaE crazyR: mods run faster and/or use less CPU power to get their tasks done.
20:25 PenguinDad at least the DNS record is right
20:25 VanessaE crazyR: in some cases, maybe just a 50% boost, in other cases 3-4x or better.
20:26 VanessaE crazyR: in some very special cases, I think I've seen claims of, what was it, 10x?  as fast as C++ anyway
20:26 crazyR ahh right thanks for the tip. i have it installed but was wondering if it made any difrence lol
20:31 Taoki Is it possible to make nodes act as a liquid in regard to collisions and drowning (have viscosity), but not flow? Thinking of making snow blocks in my game not collide but slow down the player, as well as drown him if he's in more than two
20:31 Taoki As well as allow swimming in snow blocks... but again have them not flow
20:32 VanessaE Taoki: make them climbable and drownable
20:32 VanessaE that would be a bit more realistic than making snow act like quicksand ;)
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20:32 Taoki Thanks... not a bad idea
20:32 Taoki Can I still make them act like quicksand tho?
20:33 VanessaE not sure how
20:33 Taoki I think Carbone does that with leafs...
20:34 Taoki not sure precisely though
20:36 crazyR node=minetest.env:get_node(pos) <-- am i able to grab the node group from there?
20:37 VanessaE crazyR: get the node first, then use its name to get the node def from the main table
20:37 diemartin crazyR, minetest.registered_nodes[minet​est.get_node(pos).name].groups
20:38 VanessaE minetest.registered_nodes[name]
20:38 VanessaE ninja'd
20:38 diemartin bah
20:38 diemartin :P
20:38 crazyR thanks :)
20:38 VanessaE well, half-ninja'd ;)
20:39 PenguinDad ninja daemon :D
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20:46 Taoki Is there a way in after_dig_node to prevent / revert a node being dug and the player getting its item?
20:47 Taoki I remember that if the function is set to return false, the node is no longer dug
20:49 Megaf Taoki: sure
20:49 Megaf 17:31:37           Taoki | Is it possible to make nodes act as a liquid in regard to collisions and drowning (have viscosity), but not flow?
20:49 Taoki nice
20:49 Megaf sure about that
20:49 Megaf I made water a non flow thing, and diggable
20:49 Taoki cool
20:50 Megaf on my pixelart server
20:50 Taoki And viscosity still applies, and you can sim and drown in it?
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20:53 crazyR could someone check this for me, not able to test it yet, doing work on my server. https://github.com/ethic-rush/technic/blob/​master/technic/tools/mining_lasers.lua#L101
20:54 Taoki What about reverting digging in on_dig? I need a way to make players who have interact be unable to dig nodes... and without using set_protected on these nodes either
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20:57 Taoki VanessaE: Since I remember you had this on your server... any idea where to find that mod which makes everything being mined drop to the ground rather than going straigth to player inventory? And makes walking over dropped item have you pick them up with a "pop" sound like in MC
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21:01 lordcirth Taoki, look through technic, it's in there
21:02 lordcirth Taoki, actually found it, folder is called "item_drop"
21:02 Taoki oh, technic has it yes. Thanks
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21:03 VanessaE Taoki:  https://github.com/cyisfor/item_drop
21:03 VanessaE that's the one I use
21:03 VanessaE (and as far as I know, it's not supposed to be in technic.)
21:04 VanessaE (but we've been discussing adding it back in)
21:06 crazyR VanessaE: i know im a pain, could you look at this and let me know if i have got it right please : could someone check this for me, not able to test it yet, doing work on my server. https://github.com/ethic-rush/technic/blob/​master/technic/tools/mining_lasers.lua#L101
21:09 VanessaE crazyR: check if the name is nil first
21:09 VanessaE (in case the fired-up node is unknown/undefined e.g. from a mod that has been uninstalled)
21:09 crazyR ahh, thanks
21:10 VanessaE fired-upon*
21:11 crazyR also me and puhfa did some work on the quarry too, thought you might like to look. we havent submited a pul request though as we're still testing it https://github.com/ethic-rush/technic/ed​it/master/technic/machines/HV/quarry.lua
21:11 VanessaE if node and minetest.registered_nodes[node.name]........ then return end
21:11 crazyR oh i say me and puhfa i mean puhfa did mostof the work, i edited the formspec and a few other small things lol
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21:12 VanessaE that quarry link gives me a "you can't edit this" error
21:12 crazyR oh sorry 1 min, lol
21:13 crazyR https://github.com/ethic-rush/technic/bl​ob/master/technic/machines/HV/quarry.lua
21:13 VanessaE but, make your pull request(s) and I'll look then
21:14 crazyR ok, il leave it a week first. see how it works out.
21:20 EvergreenTree Once I learn C/C++ I think I'll dive in and make a patch for minetest
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21:26 VanessaE dare I ask what you plan to change? :)
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21:29 PilzAdam EvergreenTree, http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/C_Programming
21:30 PilzAdam especially suitable for trees
21:30 EvergreenTree VanessaE: I havee a lot of things that I would like to do
21:30 EvergreenTree PilzAdam: Yay trees
21:31 PenguinDad no tree was killed for that book :)
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21:32 PilzAdam PenguinDad, even better: the PCs that were used to write it were powered by burning bark beetles
21:32 PilzAdam so trees were actually saved for that book
21:33 EvergreenTree :3
21:34 EvergreenTree Once I learn C, I probably should add all the stuff c++ adds to my knowledge banks
21:35 EvergreenTree considering minetest is written in it
21:35 FreeFull I like Rust
21:35 PilzAdam just add C and the absolutely worst implementation of OO that you can imagine and you got C++
21:35 EvergreenTree That's what I've gotten from it
21:36 PilzAdam and some neat stuff like operator overloading
21:36 EvergreenTree Well, I'll just have to live with
21:36 EvergreenTree it
21:38 PilzAdam learn Java if you want proper OO
21:39 PilzAdam and it's really not hard to write your own voxel based 3d engine in Java with LWJGL
21:39 PenguinDad "learn language x if you want properly implemented y"
21:42 PenguinDad has somebody tried rewriting minetest's netcode with enet?
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21:45 Exio4 proper OO  in java!
21:45 Exio4 what the fuck did you drink
21:45 Exio4 or smoke
21:46 EvergreenTree so you're telling me to go mod minecraft?
21:46 EvergreenTree okay
21:46 EvergreenTree :P
21:46 EvergreenTree let the laguage wars begin!
21:46 Exio4 Java isn't proper OOP
21:46 EvergreenTree I already have learned python.
21:46 Exio4 scala has better OO so far
21:46 Exio4 and both still suck
21:46 PenguinDad Haskell ftw
21:47 EvergreenTree Would you say Python has proper OO or not?
21:47 * PenguinDad runs away
21:47 EvergreenTree I have nothing to compare it to
22:00 Exio4 does it haz private data?
22:00 Exio4 nah, it doesn't!
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22:14 EvergreenTree woof
22:16 * PenguinDad pets EvergreenTree
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22:29 frenchy_girl hi
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22:36 darkangel hey im just curious since some peeps here have experience on it if your port forwarding through a modem do you need an Ethernet wire to make it work or can ya use Wifi to?
22:36 darkangel hey im just curious since some peeps here have experience on it if your port forwarding through a modem do you need an Ethernet wire to make it work or can ya use Wifi to?
22:38 darkangel sorry for double sent
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22:38 EvergreenTree just curious, is it possible to set a specific mapgen for a given game!
22:39 PenguinDad Rust is really nice
22:39 Taoki Was wondering that too. My game will depend on v7 exclusively, so I'd like to disable the others
22:40 Taoki EvergreenTree: Best way I think is a lua function to detect the mapgen, and perhaps quit with an error if the chosen one isn't selected
22:42 FreeFull darkangel: You shouldn't need ethernet to do that
22:42 FreeFull Unless you have a weird router
22:42 darkangel ok
22:42 EvergreenTree PilzAdam: I think I remember nodetopia had such a feature
22:42 EvergreenTree does it?
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23:20 EvergreenTree Taoki: here: https://github.com/PilzAdam/nodetop​ia/blob/f168238a62f152352ae205bba87​950dd82769087/mods/base/mapgen.lua
23:20 EvergreenTree begining of file
23:21 Exio4 isn't it just adding mg_name=v7 or something like that in game.conf
23:22 Taoki EvergreenTree: Nice. Thanks for the info... very good to know
23:23 EvergreenTree Exio4: I wanted that for a game
23:23 EvergreenTree in my case singlenode
23:23 EvergreenTree My idea will only work in singlenode
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23:26 PilzAdam Taoki, it's quite funny how the answer to all of your problems is "look at Nodetopia" :-)
23:26 EvergreenTree lol
23:26 Taoki PilzAdam: Yeah yeah, your game is awesome ;)
23:27 Taoki I tried Nodepedia a bit though. What I can say at a first glance overall is that it has a lot of nice features and possibilities. Though as a game it doesn't intrigue me... seems even simpler than minetest_game currently.
23:29 EvergreenTree ^ which is kind of the point
23:29 Taoki Makes sense then. Not a bad thing of course
23:30 Taoki Can you craft anything though? The default inventory window has no crafting grid at all
23:30 EvergreenTree yep
23:30 EvergreenTree using the backpack
23:31 PilzAdam ... how can you say you looked at it if you haven't even crafted anything?
23:32 Taoki PilzAdam: I tried it for 10 minutes or so, exploring and looking at the menus. But I noticed there's no crafting grid in inventory
23:32 Taoki I did *look* at it in the true sense of the word :P But one can look at something for a minute or for hours
23:32 arsdragonfly Are there any documentations about technic? technic.kosyak.info looks like a stub
23:32 Taoki I would like to try it more too, as well as Carbone... just didn't get the chance to yet. Making my own plans for MT
23:34 Taoki BTW, I did want to know another thing...
23:34 Taoki Is it possible for a mod to disable a default script in minetest_game? I'm going to make something that will handle player appearance differently, and will want the normal player.lua completely disabled (or well, its effect to run over it at least)
23:36 Exio4 well, nice
23:36 Exio4 i can't have real graphics
23:36 Exio4 this fucking laptop needs a closed source driver
23:36 Exio4 where the only available is shit
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23:38 Taoki Exio4: If you're on Linux, the open source driver should be good enough. Depends a lot on the card though
23:38 Taoki In my case I run great games on Mesa / Gallium... little problems
23:39 PilzAdam Taoki, overriding all functions could work
23:39 Taoki Nice
23:40 Taoki If anyone's interested in what I'm planning to do also, it's something for my game. I'm going to fork SimpleMobs and add a player system to it, which will allow players to "incarnate" as mobs. Otherwise the player will be a ghost, who can't dig or do much until they assume a mob's body
23:41 Taoki Kinda intended as a surprise, but I decided to post that as a mod first before the actual game
23:41 crazyR hey guys, quick question. 32bit os or 64bit os. whats best for minetest. is there any performance diffrnece?
23:41 Taoki Each player type that can be assumed from a mob will have different inventories, movement speeds, etc
23:42 Taoki And yes, I am intending to allow it for ALL mobs, including sheep and mice :P Mice players will prolly have only 1 to 5 inventory slots or something. Will see how it goes
23:42 crazyR ?
23:43 Taoki I'll also turn the existing player (humans) into a mob, and becoming one will offer pretty much the same behavior as now. Dying while a mob will simply make the player a ghost again
23:45 PilzAdam crazyR, you really shouldn't choose your OS based on Minetest
23:45 crazyR its a dedicated server. just for minetest
23:45 PilzAdam and use 64 bit if you have the hardware for it
23:45 crazyR done :)
23:45 crazyR thanks
23:46 Taoki But yeah. i think this will be an interesting use of PA's simple mobs :) My game will rely on it, but minetest_game can use it too
23:46 lordcirth Taoki, so can you play as a bear?
23:47 Taoki lordcirth: There aren't any bears for simplemobs ATM. But the framework I'll be modifying defines a set of player settings together with each mob, so you can automatically play as any mob... and will actually be constrained to
23:49 Taoki The idea is to make players indistinguishable from mobs. There will just be various species around the world... mobs are the CPU and the player can take the body of willing mobs (random property).
23:49 lordcirth Taoki, that's a very cool idea.
23:49 Taoki Mob hostility will also be race dependent. If you become a sand monster, sand monsters will of course be your friends, but stone ones might still attack you if their races are at war
23:49 Taoki Glad you like it... I think so too yes :)
23:53 FreeFull How will you handle height differences?
23:53 Taoki FreeFull: BlockMen's camera changes allow eye offset at last. My physics changes a while ago also allow giving each player different movement speeds. And IIRC, you can change the bounding box of players... if not it will use the existing size until that's possible, although that will suck.

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