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01:26 domtron quiet...
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01:37 ShadowNinja /mode +q *!*@*; /say Now it is! ;-P
01:39 puhfa til about q
01:39 puhfa damn freenode has a buttload of extra channel modes
01:43 * domtron carefully pries the cat off his head and then administers a tranquilizer to the cat.... and then himself.
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01:46 ShadowNinja puhfa: Actually it doesn't have all that many.  You should check an InspIRCd network.  What are you used to?
01:51 domtron I got together the software to make a screencast and did a test run. Do people generally ignore a mods screencast or wish more people did them? Personally I can't load video and reading text is faster to consume anyway.
01:58 puhfa ShadowNinja: ircnet, mostly
01:59 puhfa at least the channels i have been an op on
02:00 ShadowNinja Ah, I don't know what IRCd they use, but I don't expect that network to have many modes... No services either, right?
02:01 Exio4 puhfa: freenode's channel modes (and usermodes) are like nothing compared to any other "big ircd" :P
02:01 Exio4 unreal has a shitton of modes
02:01 ShadowNinja ^ That one too.
02:03 puhfa no services whatsoever
02:03 puhfa stablest network ive seen tho
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02:13 Gatharoth Ello all
02:17 domtron hi
02:17 domtron how are you
02:18 Gatharoth I'm okay. How about you?
02:19 Exio4 hihihi
02:21 domtron I'm well thanks
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02:43 domtron night
02:44 puhfa hey, it seems that the latest pipeworks master is losing a lot more stuff than the earlier versions
02:44 puhfa is there a known issue? id be happy to read about it
02:48 ShadowNinja puhfa: Losing things?
02:52 puhfa yeah
02:52 puhfa the server has technic, mesecons and landrush too tho, might be some collision amongs them
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02:56 puhfa latest technic version has some issues with protection, and i guess it could be related to that
02:56 puhfa as in, stuff is occasionally lost in protected areas, dunno
02:57 puhfa but havent tried unprotected pipeworks, and am not willing to do it on a public server
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03:19 ShadowNinja Huh.  Talk to nore, he might be able to help.  He's mostly around only on weekends though.
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08:33 dermo529 Hey. I'm running Xubuntu, and I wanna try this game out but it always crashes when I attempt to load a world.  Is there something that needs to be installed that I'm missing?
08:34 kahrl dermo529: sounds more like a corrupted world
08:35 kahrl dermo529: maybe there's something helpful in your debug.log
08:35 dermo529 I'll check that now.  I just tried creating a new world and the game crashed once again.
08:35 dermo529 Does this game require Java?
08:35 kahrl debug.txt*
08:36 kahrl dear god no
08:36 kahrl no java here ;)
08:38 dermo529 addHighLevelShaderMaterial failed.
08:38 dermo529 Probably this weak GPU can't handle it.;
08:38 kahrl that could be the problem...  though it shouldn't crash
08:39 kahrl try disabling shaders
08:40 dermo529 Still crashes.
08:41 dermo529 /build/buildd/minetest-0.4.7+r​epack/src/connection.cpp:600: virtual void* con::Connection::Thread(): Assertion '0' failed.
08:42 dermo529 You think I should try building from source?
08:42 kahrl definitely, 0.4.7 is ancient
08:43 kahrl a lot of the Connection code has been recently rewritten so that might fix the crash
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08:49 dermo529 I just realized I'm not running proprietary video card drivers. Also, the repository has  version 0.4.7 which is rather annoying so I'm installing v0.4.9 now. I'll restart and report back. Thanks for the help so far!
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08:55 dermo529 It was my gfx card, I think. Either way, it's working now! :)
08:55 hoodedice Yaay
08:57 hoodedice You know which is the buggiest Ubuntu software I've ever used?
08:58 hoodedice 'Install Ubuntu 13.10'
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09:00 hoodedice john_minetest!
09:01 john_minetest Hi :)
09:01 hoodedice "You know which is the buggiest Ubuntu software I've ever used?"
09:01 john_minetest Ubuntu
09:01 hoodedice 'Install Ubuntu 13.10'
09:01 john_minetest Exactly :P
09:01 hoodedice It crashed about 50 times since I first used it
09:01 hoodedice Wiped my entire hard disk once
09:02 hoodedice And almost always fails to detect Windows
09:02 dermo529 I think Xubuntu.
09:02 hoodedice Actually ^
09:02 john_minetest I installed a previous version with that "so great automatic dualboot thingie!". And it killed my win partition and didn't work in the end.
09:02 hoodedice ^ OMG, same thing lol
09:03 hoodedice Wiped even the zwizzing recovery off the disk
09:03 dermo529 john_minetest: Next time install Ubuntu from within Windows (not separately). Grub has a tendency to do that, because it has to resize partitions.
09:04 john_minetest Next time I install Ubuntu, I install archlinux.
09:04 hoodedice lol ^
09:04 dermo529 Eh, I prefer OpenSUSE, but to each his own.  I just use Ubuntu because app compatibility
09:04 hoodedice Getting real tired of your shiz Canonical - I still think the last LTS was the most stable
09:04 john_minetest archlinux might be partly a bit too far in front of any other distro but it works.
09:05 john_minetest Lol, even fedora uses make 3.82. Archlinux: 4.0 :D
09:05 hoodedice Linux 4.0?
09:05 dermo529 Eh, the only difference from 3.82 -> 4.0 are mostly bug fixes.
09:06 hoodedice "Firefox and Thunderbird are everything you need from internet applications: high performance, easy customization and advanced security."
09:06 dermo529 Ha. Chromium was shit.
09:06 hoodedice Customization - okay. security - okay
09:06 hoodedice High performance? Pfft - IE 11 does better
09:06 * hoodedice flies awy
09:07 hoodedice */me flies away
09:07 john_minetest hoodedice: "make" 4.0
09:07 hoodedice oh... make...
09:07 dermo529 sudo make 4.0*
09:07 john_minetest dermo529: No, not only bugfixes. Actually make 4.0 gets guile as new dependency. And guile's dependencies, too.
09:07 john_minetest (indirect)
09:08 john_minetest A big change, that makes compiling a bit more difficult but makes make more flexible and small.
09:08 hoodedice man, touchpads make me feel like I'm playing carrom
09:08 hoodedice For those who don't know what carrom is,
09:08 hoodedice !g carrom
09:08 MinetestBot hoodedice: http://www.carrom.com/
09:09 dermo529 whoa
09:09 dermo529 So what do you guys think of ReactOS?
09:09 john_minetest Lol... get a Lenovo keyboard nipple.
09:09 john_minetest :P
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09:10 hoodedice keyboard nipple...
09:10 dermo529 The best kind of nipples.
09:11 hoodedice ReactOS?
09:11 john_minetest Well, it is the only word that came in mind.
09:11 hoodedice I don't even
09:11 john_minetest And I didn't want to say "Clit mouse" or "keyboard clit" :P
09:11 dermo529 :p
09:11 hoodedice How does it even work?
09:11 john_minetest I think the correct name is "Lenovo TrackPoint"
09:12 dermo529 You can download a virtual image of it, ready to run out of the box.
09:12 john_minetest ReactOS?
09:12 john_minetest ReactOS is nice but... nah...
09:12 dermo529 It has all the best features of Windows, including dragging a window and leaving the contents behind, and I even managed to get a blue screen while playing Free Cell!
09:13 john_minetest Wow
09:13 john_minetest much windows
09:13 john_minetest very clone
09:13 john_minetest so real
09:13 john_minetest wow
09:13 dermo529 +1
09:13 hoodedice Wow
09:14 hoodedice I use windows 8.1 and love it
09:14 * hoodedice flies away
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09:15 dermo529 I like spooning.
09:17 dermo529 I'm trying to resist the urge to be a smug Linux user.... Ugh... it's not working.  HOW THE FUCK CAN YOU ENJOY WINDOWS 8.1????
09:17 dermo529 Microsoft - named after Bill Gate's dick.
09:18 dermo529 Windows is not a virus. A virus is small and efficient...
09:24 hoodedice Because I has touchscreen
09:24 hoodedice Was checking out kickstarter
09:24 hoodedice Every other thing they have on there can be made cheaper and from scratch
09:25 hoodedice https://www.kickstarter.com/projec​ts/nanohive/nanohive-personal-serv​er-and-personal-cloud?ref=popular
09:25 hoodedice This^?
09:25 hoodedice $90 - I'll get an RPi for $25
09:26 hoodedice https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/letterfor​ms/letterforms-dry-erase-notebook?ref=popular
09:26 hoodedice This^?
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09:27 hoodedice just get those transparent file covers, and some markers - Compare $30 and $12
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10:30 john_minetest I just get normal paper and those ink pens that you can erase (those are awesome). 3€.
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10:35 RagnarLaud hai!
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10:44 Tg1 hello
10:45 RagnarLaud hi
10:47 Tg1 how are you=?
10:47 RagnarLaud im goodn
10:47 RagnarLaud you?
10:47 Tg1 me too
10:48 RagnarLaud hey, why havent you answered my Tg1's Questions question yet?
10:52 Tg1 o i was not there i answerd now
10:52 RagnarLaud great
10:52 RagnarLaud well g2g now, bye
11:08 john_minetest http://imgur.com/gallery/hjLPGgM
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11:09 Tg1 :D
11:10 Adarqet N
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11:40 john_minetest http://imgur.com/gallery/RiLha
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11:53 john_minetest Q
11:54 Tg1 so many letters here :D
11:54 Adarqet|Phone N
11:54 john_minetest <Adarqet> N
11:54 john_minetest Duh, repost.
11:54 Adarqet|Phone Lol
12:00 Tg1 :D
12:00 Adarqet|Phone :P
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12:29 Megaf Hi everyone
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12:32 Adarqet|Phone Hello!!
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12:38 Megaf Folks, congratulations for minetest, my server is as stable as it never before
12:38 Megaf really stable
12:38 john_minetest As stable as debian?
12:38 Megaf It's been some weeks now and not a single crash
12:39 Megaf I just added a couple of mods, homedecor é lightsplus, still rock solid
12:39 Megaf john_minetest: sure
12:39 Megaf it runs on Debian stable
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12:39 Megaf using LuaJIT2 and that DB thing
12:39 john_minetest Lol... you are seriously using debian stable?
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12:40 Megaf john_minetest: sure
12:40 john_minetest Why not archlinux ;)
12:41 john_minetest It is a binary distribution and has make 4.0
12:41 john_minetest Not even fedora has that.
12:41 Megaf Debian is lightweght, easy to customize, can compile everything from source
12:41 john_minetest :P
12:41 Megaf it's solid and stable
12:41 john_minetest Archlinux can, too.
12:41 Megaf john_minetest: I used Arch for a couple of years, I know it pretty well
12:42 john_minetest !war
12:42 john_minetest Oh, no !war command implemented?
12:42 john_minetest Hmmm...
12:42 Megaf My favorite two things on Arch Linux: 1- AUR 2- rc.conf
12:42 Megaf But Arch is not as solid as Debian
12:43 Megaf do a pacman -Syu every day and see how long will your system lasts
12:43 sfan5 john_minetest: http://i.imgur.com/hF7WuV9.jpg
12:43 sfan5 Megaf: you are supposed to read the news first
12:43 sfan5 hi everyone
12:44 Exio4 sfan5, so you are supposed to change the whole configs, and how you manage everything every two weeks
12:44 john_minetest sfan5:
12:44 john_minetest <Enverex> Is any special configuration needed to get mouse scrolling working in VNC? Middle mouse works, but scrolling doesn't. As far as I can tell it's simply not being passed to the server.
12:45 john_minetest ummm...
12:45 john_minetest sfan5: http://imgur.com/gallery/I22j3Qv
12:45 Exio4 the idea of a "server distro" / "stable distro" is having something stable and that doesn't change that much, you don't want to reconfigure your database, your httpd, your ... everytime you upgrade
12:45 Exio4 also, archlinux is known for fucking up things when you upgrade, not shit in the news, but totally unrelated
12:45 Exio4 things like python2 -> python3, made everything stop working and work like shit
12:45 john_minetest Works for me.
12:46 Exio4 also, their mesa had broken drivers for intel gpus
12:46 Exio4 for like six months
12:46 john_minetest Also debian stable changes. They get those backports that screw everything up.
12:46 Exio4 backports aren't from debian stable itself
12:46 Exio4 and you have a warning
12:46 Exio4 "this shit isn't tested, ONLY USE THEM IF YOU KNOW WHAT YOU ARE DOING"
12:46 john_minetest I think it is better to have the newest things that are untested than having the oldest things that are untested.
12:47 Exio4 debian sid+exp is enough for me
12:47 Exio4 i would go for gentoo instead of archlinux anyway
12:47 Exio4 archlinux is nice, but its packages are shit
12:47 john_minetest Why are packages shit?
12:47 Exio4 how many years have you used it
12:48 john_minetest 1.5 or so
12:48 john_minetest maybe 2
12:48 Exio4 hmm, i guess you started when i left
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12:49 Exio4 anyway
12:49 sfan5 this type of spam is new: http://i.imgur.com/TQj9Q7o.png
12:49 john_minetest Well, the biggest problem is, that the documentation is partly outdated atm. Some packages have gone to AUR and the articles still state that they can be installed normally.
12:49 Exio4 archlinux wiki is one of the best
12:49 john_minetest Yeah.
12:49 Exio4 gentoo/arch wikis ftw
12:50 john_minetest The beginner user guide is so great.
12:50 Exio4 john_minetest: the packages aren't tried that "nicely"
12:50 sfan5 lolwtf
12:50 sfan5 https://forum.minetest.net/vie​wtopic.php?pid=131072#p131072
12:50 Exio4 and only core packages need to go around testing
12:50 Exio4 and for example, if shit compiles and seems to work in a single-use-case, they get it in
12:50 sfan5 'I can't give a problem description and it's the communitys fault!!!111111!!!!!111!11elven!!!1!one!!'
12:51 Exio4 it is like sid+experimental of debian with shitty packages
12:51 Exio4 no guidelines, shit may explode tomorrow
12:51 Exio4 but you know your distro is amazing
12:51 Exio4 if you're happy with your distro, yeah, as long as you don't try to use it in a server or want to do other thing in your desktop outside having to mantain the distro
12:52 Megaf Exio4: I totally agree with you
12:52 john_minetest The packages are pretty good and always worked for me.
12:53 Exio4 a lot of bugs in archlinux are just untested cases of packages
12:53 Exio4 how many AUR packages you use?
12:53 john_minetest idk... 3 or 4.
12:53 reactor Systemd.
12:53 john_minetest Yay! Systemd!
12:53 Exio4 systemd is raw shit
12:53 reactor We totally need logs in unreadable format.
12:53 Exio4 no, worse than that
12:53 john_minetest Debian wants to use systemd, too.
12:53 reactor Exio4: that's what I mean.
12:54 Exio4 i know
12:54 Exio4 john_minetest: they will only switch to systemd as default option
12:54 Exio4 i think i'll switch to openrc later
12:54 john_minetest Actually I don't like systemd either.
12:54 reactor Hmm.
12:54 reactor Does Arch allow to switch to init?
12:54 Megaf Debian will only use systemd if its proven stable
12:54 john_minetest reactor: Yeah, iirc init is still possible.
12:55 Exio4 "init"
12:55 Exio4 sysvinit you mean?
12:55 reactor Any init.
12:55 Exio4 or what?
12:55 reactor I don't know which one is available.
12:55 john_minetest Pretty much everything is aviable.
12:56 Exio4 in archlinux?
12:56 john_minetest In archlinux you have the choice to do pretty much everything.
12:56 Exio4 install something non-systemd
12:56 reactor Yes.
12:56 Exio4 and tell us how well everything goes
12:56 Exio4 i'm pretty sure shit will fuck up, because that is how systemd is designed
12:56 reactor That's probably surgery like removing pulseaudio from some systems.
12:57 * Exio4 is a happy pulseaudio-less user :D
12:57 Exio4 Systemd is not just init. It unifies, in fewer lines of code, everything that is related to starting services and managing session groups: user login, cron jobs, network services (inetd), virtual TTY management… Having a single system to handle all of that allows us to remove a lot of cruft, and to use less memory on the system.
12:57 reactor Well, I don't really plan to use Linux on my machines. If I get to use some, I'll try.
12:57 reactor I hope that crap isn't enforced in BSD.
12:58 reactor s/isn't/won't ne/
12:58 reactor So far, not many programs depend on systemd (none at all?).
12:59 Exio4 gnome!
12:59 reactor What one should be afraid of is it becoming mandatory for something. Say, GIMP or Firefox are most likely candidates, being so fat.
12:59 john_minetest gimp? nah.
12:59 john_minetest Gimp is slim.
12:59 reactor While the former is fat, but works, the latter is fat and doesn't.
12:59 Exio4 depends how far can redhat get into FOSS community
13:00 john_minetest reactor: LibreOffice is fat.
13:00 reactor Oh yeah yeah.
13:00 reactor I would like to get rid of it.
13:00 john_minetest Gimp is relatively slim. Look at the featureset. It is amazing.
13:00 reactor No one should write science papers in Word.
13:00 john_minetest LaTeX is even fatter...
13:00 reactor john_minetest: yes, for its featureset, it's pretty slim.
13:01 reactor TeXLive is fat, but it works reliably, unlike SOffice.
13:04 john_minetest Lol... SOffice... So retro.
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13:15 sfan5 john_minetest: https://identicons.github.com/101​01010101010101ffffffffa000000.png
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13:19 Selah hello morning
13:19 reactor good bye evening
13:19 reactor Oh?
13:20 reactor Oh yeah. Web gateway users.
13:20 PenguinDad lol
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13:34 john_minetest http://imgur.com/gallery/rkzGRWC
13:34 john_minetest sfan5: what's about that?
13:34 sfan5 john_minetest: dunno
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13:35 sfan5 try changing the 101010 in the url
13:37 john_minetest http://i.minus.com/ikdzEBKB8bHPp.gif
13:37 john_minetest sfan5: already done.
13:39 john_minetest http://imgur.com/gallery/UZb12vf
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15:04 PilzAdam Hello everyone!
15:04 sfan5 hi PilzAdam
15:05 reactor HELO
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15:19 RagnarLaud hai! :D
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15:34 PenguinDad linus?
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15:38 RagnarLaud hi penguin :D
15:39 * RagnarLaud is scared of the Serial Butt Stabber
15:39 * sfan5 taps RagnarLaud
15:40 RagnarLaud sfan5, tell me that there aren't too much Zombie killing games. Pleeaaasse.
15:40 * sfan5 taps RagnarLaud
15:40 RagnarLaud wot?
15:42 * sfan5 puts a kitten on RagnarLaud's head
15:43 * RagnarLaud puts sfan5 on the kitten that is sitting on RagnarLaud's head
15:43 * sfan5 taps RagnarLaud
15:44 RagnarLaud "Coach said the game was on the line. So I stepped on it"
15:45 RagnarLaud sfan5: http://lolspotsarticles.com/1409699-16-of​-the-funniest-nba-memes-of-all-time?p=12
15:45 RagnarLaud !title
15:45 MinetestBot RagnarLaud: LOLSpots.com #4 WOW Cannot Believe They Made Those Faces!
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15:47 linus_ hi..i am a new user ,with pool english
15:47 RagnarLaud hello
15:47 RagnarLaud Will the real Slim Shady please stand up?
15:48 linus_ enjoy MINETEST very much. I play with my children...XD
15:48 RagnarLaud C'mon, son!
15:49 linus_ hello all...
15:52 RagnarLaud sfan5, do you have guardian angles? because mine are all up in heaven watching over me
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16:08 Jordach sfan5, <3 https://forum.minetest.net/profile.php?id=239
16:09 sfan5 <3 Jordach
16:09 sfan5 :D
16:10 Jordach https://forum.minetest.net/search.php?action=​search&amp;keywords=selfie&amp;search=Search
16:10 Jordach no hits of selfie
16:10 * Jordach decides to start a selfie topic
16:10 Jordach because #yolo
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16:16 john_minetest Jordach: Post the link to the thread please.
16:17 Jordach https://forum.minetest.net/vie​wtopic.php?pid=131098#p131098
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16:32 * Jordach has modernised one of his older renders
16:39 * john_minetest renders one of Jordach's models
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16:39 Selah hello
16:39 Megaf Hi
16:39 Jordach john_minetest, i've completely stopped packing in the images now
16:39 john_minetest Hi Selah
16:39 reactor hell.o
16:39 Selah hi megaf
16:40 Selah megaf how is the srver doing
16:40 Megaf Selah: pretty well
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16:40 Jordach pssh
16:41 Jordach wtf
16:41 Selah ok have any griefs or not
16:41 Megaf no complaing about lag, everyone is happy
16:41 Selah what Jordach
16:41 Megaf a little
16:41 Megaf nothing to worry about
16:41 Jordach Intel HD 2000 -> 8fps nVidia GeForce 6200 -> 20fps
16:41 Selah wowie that is not  very much fps
16:41 Jordach blender is strange :>
16:42 Selah i am sure it is
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16:46 john_minetest Jordach: Look at that selfie render: http://picpaste.com/pics/jr​dch-TUjoFmLa.1393346744.png
16:47 Jordach even MinetestBot facepalmed :D
16:48 john_minetest :|
16:48 Jordach btw, i made a render scene with a skybox
16:48 Jordach rather than the usual paper sky + zenith
16:48 john_minetest =|:-|>|<> |=====|
16:49 * sfan5 gives john_minetest a kitten
16:49 * Jordach is actually going to try true action animation for once
16:50 Jordach think of it as a homage to last year's shit :>
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16:53 sfan5 why did my vps suddenly stop
16:53 sfan5 :-(
16:54 Jordach power outage?
16:54 * Jordach could always buy a VPS for sfan5 when Jordach has the cash
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16:55 sfan5 I don't think so
16:57 john_minetest Lol... Power outage...
16:58 john_minetest I heard that something like that happens pretty often in california because of the crappy energy network.
16:58 john_minetest But I never actually experienced any power outage in germany.
16:59 * sfan5 experienced one
16:59 sfan5 in 2009 (or was it 08?)
16:59 Jordach because Germans are so efficient, they turn their own efficiency into power
16:59 sfan5 very shown winter
16:59 Calinou I have one every 6 months or so here
16:59 Calinou john_minetest, you're in california now?
16:59 * Jordach has none
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17:00 PilzAdam wtf
17:00 PilzAdam the flashplayer just overheated my CPU
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17:01 john_minetest Calinou: No, I am in germany
17:01 PilzAdam goodbye flashplayer
17:02 john_minetest PilzAdam: gnash?
17:02 sfan5 snowy*
17:02 sfan5 wtf brain
17:02 PilzAdam john_minetest, html5
17:02 john_minetest shumway?
17:02 Calinou <PilzAdam> goodbye flashplayer
17:03 Calinou I removed it since ~1 week ago, I don't miss it
17:03 Calinou enable HTML 5 YouTube, http://youtube.com/html5
17:03 john_minetest Power outages... So retro...
17:03 PilzAdam Calinou, already done, doesnt work
17:03 PilzAdam so, goodbye youtube
17:04 Calinou works for me (Firefox and Chromium)
17:04 * Jordach just uses the cold fusion reactor in Jordach's chest
17:04 Calinou (I also migrated to Firefox 2 days ago)
17:04 Jordach i don't need my actual heart anymore :>
17:04 * sfan5 puts a mushroom on PilzAdam
17:04 * reactor uses the cold fusion Jordach.
17:04 kahrl on youtube, neither gnash nor html5 work for me
17:04 kahrl so I use youtube-dl
17:04 RBMK God damn it, people.
17:04 PilzAdam is adblock any useful without flash?
17:05 RBMK Yeah.
17:05 RBMK However, you might want to take a look at privoxy or someonewhocares.org hosts file.
17:05 Jordach mmm
17:05 Jordach doritos
17:07 kahrl also even if I could watch youtube videos in the browser, my mofo ISP makes it buffer constantly (to promote their "Entertain" which doesn't even work) so I use youtube-dl
17:08 RBMK Slow connection isn't the cause.
17:08 RBMK It's youtube's lame limits on buffering.
17:08 * Jordach wants net neutrality
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17:10 sfan5 RBMK: no
17:10 kahrl RBMK: using proxies fixed the buffering issue, though
17:10 RBMK Aha.
17:10 sfan5 deutsche telekom slows YT down
17:11 * sfan5 throws net neutrality at Jordach
17:11 RBMK ...I wonder if same could happen on Russian ISP.
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17:26 john_minetest Enter "use the force, luke" in your youtube search
17:28 john_minetest or "beam me up, scotty"
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17:33 RBMK Well they had better done real things rather than stuffing their half-working contraptions with easter eggs.
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17:38 pitriss Czech UPC slows down Youtube and other sites too.. they want to force google and others to pay them for peering
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17:59 john_minetest RBMK: Where didn't they do "real things"?
18:00 RBMK john_minetest: that's the point.
18:00 RBMK Well, back in late 90s Google were sane.
18:01 john_minetest Today google is the most used search engine, youtube is the #1 video website and they are rich.
18:01 john_minetest I guess that is a "real thing" that they made.
18:02 RBMK Yes. Their services are half-broken.
18:02 RBMK Despite being rich.
18:02 RBMK That's probably how Microsofts happen.
18:03 RBMK They start with something decent, get rich and start shitting customers.
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18:03 RBMK ...who use their products inertially.
18:04 Gatharoth more like people started to get lazy, so products had to do more, which it shouldn't be doing in the first place
18:05 Calinou <PilzAdam> is adblock any useful without flash?
18:05 Calinou Yes it is.
18:05 Calinou It can also block social buttons and malware sites.
18:06 RBMK Gatharoth: that's what I meant to say.
18:06 Gatharoth RBMK: Okay, but that's completely different from what you said.
18:07 RBMK Calinou: a filtering proxy, DNS server or hosts file are more flexible.
18:07 Calinou Too bad I can't edit my router's hosts file (if any)
18:07 RBMK Can use any browser, no plugins.
18:07 Calinou Would be cool to block ads and trackers on the router level.
18:07 RBMK So edit your OS's hosts file.
18:07 RBMK Hmm.
18:07 Calinou I use both hosts and plugin.
18:07 Calinou Plugin can do some things hosts cannot.
18:07 RBMK This is interesting. It should be write-enabled on router.
18:08 Calinou I mean without haxoring around.
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18:08 Calinou My router my ISP's.
18:08 RBMK It's possible to feed your hosts file to the router every time it boots.
18:08 RBMK Oh.
18:08 RBMK You do not own it?
18:09 RBMK Combining methods works best, yes.
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18:10 Gatharoth Ello there Jordach
18:10 Jordach ello Gatharoth
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18:12 Jordach Gatharoth, wool is now part of default
18:13 Jordach minus the stupid crafting
18:13 Gatharoth Haha, okays XD
18:13 Jordach all i do now is make renders in Blender
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18:21 sfan5 damnit
18:21 sfan5 MinetestBot is gone too
18:22 RBMK private wool
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18:26 Jordach lol wat
18:26 Jordach spotify just crashed
18:30 pitriss Hi, Please is possible to force MT to not write to chat when someone make typo in command?
18:31 RBMK If there is a function that gets called on typo then yes.
18:32 RBMK Look at the code generating the error message?
18:32 Krock check for the builtin folder, if it's not there, then it's not makeable
18:33 pitriss Krock: ty, i will look there
18:33 Krock np
18:39 sfan5 Krock: wat, you can do everything, builtin has no effect on that
18:39 Krock sfan5, really? I though builtin would control that all a bit
18:40 sfan5 you can always change the C++ code
18:40 Krock ...
18:40 Krock and how to compile?
18:40 sfan5 no part of minetest is done ENTIRELY in lua
18:40 sfan5 there are many instructions avilable on how to compile
18:41 pitriss sfan5: so isn't possible to not write invalid commands in public chat?:)
18:41 sfan5 public chat?
18:41 Krock I know, I got the M$ visual C++ compiler but "make" or wahtever is not known
18:41 sfan5 if you type an invalid command it does not say anything in the public chat
18:41 sfan5 Krock: instructions for linux obviously won't work on windows
18:42 Krock I already read through the windows compiling...pretty much to install and download
18:43 pitriss sfan5: example  when someone want to send /msg but do typo in "msg" then msg is send to normal chat.. I wan to disable this behavior and write "invalid command" to that player instead
18:43 sfan5 pitriss: this is what minetest does
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18:46 Jordach pitriss, you mean the IRC mod states that command>?
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18:46 Jordach (there's an old version that did that, which i can distinctly remember)
18:47 PenguinDad she's back :)
18:47 MagicFab_ hi
18:48 RBMK ih
18:48 john_minetest Up to 70% of all Internet traffic are caused by P2P traffic... lolwut!
18:48 RBMK ...why not
18:48 pitriss nope. I mean just minetest..
18:48 MagicFab_ just trying minetest for the 1st time - intending to setup at a school for ~30 students
18:49 RBMK What's wrong about missing the /
18:49 RBMK People miss it everywhere, nothing bad happens.
18:49 RBMK ...beyond some lulz to bystanders.
18:49 RBMK wc
18:49 RBMK Oops.
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18:51 pitriss i tried some older 0.4.9-dev client server (to be sure that this behavior not changed.. But it still sends invalid commands to chat.. How to force it to not send them? How i can protect ppl to not show their private messages when they do typo in /msg command (for example /msh)?
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18:57 RBMK doщnlфaded?
18:58 sfan5 pitriss: it will NOT send the command to the public chat
18:58 sfan5 it would be nonsense to announce to everyone that a command was mistyped
18:58 sfan5 it only sends it to the person who mistyped the command
18:59 sfan5 pitriss: how did you verify that it does send it to the public chat?
18:59 pitriss started local server and started client and connected to it
19:00 pitriss then i typed /blah in chat and it was public
19:00 sfan5 public chat looks like '<pitriss> hello' not like 'invalid command: /foobar'
19:00 sfan5 did you verify it was indeed public by connecting with a 2nd client?
19:01 pitriss I started that server from GUI
19:01 pitriss so i was able to saw what happened on that server
19:02 pitriss *see
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19:02 sfan5 did you see 'ACTION[ServerThread]: CHAT: ' and the command?
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19:03 Krock pitriss: testen on my server right now, no public sending
19:03 Krock *tested
19:04 pitriss hmm maybe it is changed in latest git.. i will try to compile latest..
19:04 sfan5 no
19:04 sfan5 it did not change since 0.2
19:04 Krock ..and no "ACTION.." message
19:04 Krock maybe is there a mod which adds that "feature"
19:05 sfan5 Krock: mods can't intercept wrongly typed commands
19:05 sfan5 so that is not possible
19:05 Krock weird
19:05 sfan5 not weird, user fault
19:05 Krock on the landrush server I already saw wrong spelt commands, and they were public
19:05 sfan5 are you sure?
19:05 Ritchie hello, i can confirm this behavior, for example pitriss typed bad command and i can see it
19:05 Krock yes and without space at beginning
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19:06 Ritchie i saw it on landrush too
19:06 Krock ah
19:06 Krock maybe modified server
19:06 Krock because it's only known yet from 1 server
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19:07 sfan5 I can not reproduce this with latest git
19:08 ShadowNinja They must have a mod that makes them public.
19:09 sfan5 but mods can't intercept wrongly typed commands, can they?
19:09 sfan5 oh wait
19:09 ShadowNinja Unless the first character isn't a /.
19:09 sfan5 hm :-/
19:09 sfan5 s/:-\//:s/
19:10 ShadowNinja We should add //test -> /test in chat.  And maybe x/msg -> Did you mean to run /msg?
19:11 sfan5 \/test -> /test in chat would be better
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19:12 ShadowNinja But //test is used for IRC already, and it's easier.
19:13 ShadowNinja Oh, I think WE uses //.  But that's a very bad namespace idea in tge first place and shouldn't be supported.
19:13 Ritchie we don't have any mod that makes mistyped commands public
19:14 ShadowNinja Ritchie: And you're sure that the first character of the message was a '/'?
19:14 Ritchie ShadowNinja: yes
19:15 sfan5 ShadowNinja: how about //test -> /test in chat if no lua functions do something with the message
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19:15 Ritchie first character of command
19:15 sfan5 I would not like to change the // in WE
19:16 ShadowNinja sfan5: That could be for temporary compatability.  But there is nothing about // that makes it specific to WE.
19:16 sfan5 that is right
19:16 sfan5 but it prevents duplicate commands
19:17 ShadowNinja Even something like /wset would be better.
19:17 sfan5 it also makes it apparent that it is a WE command
19:17 ShadowNinja But I'd prefer /weset
19:17 ShadowNinja Or even /we-set, but at that point it starts getting long.
19:18 ShadowNinja (That's the full command, it isn't //we-set)
19:25 john_minetest http://imgur.com/gallery/cuP11Wf
19:42 Jordach http://imgur.com/gallery/f4BcB
19:42 Jordach HOLY SHIT
19:43 reactor !title
19:43 MinetestBot reactor: So I waked into the physics lounge this morning... - Imgur
19:44 reactor The page is held together by javascript. Your argument is invalid.
19:45 Jordach reactor, your methods are dying out
19:45 reactor Many good things are gone.
19:49 Jordach if we kept with terminals, we'd never have the internet, nothing special of interest
19:50 reactor Some good things are going away.
19:50 reactor If we keep writing kludges on top of kludges, it will eventually fall.
19:51 reactor Please note I'm not talking about graphics.
19:52 reactor Pictures, plots etc. We surely need them. We don't need picture-based interface for most things.
19:52 reactor Just like the use of javascript can be avoided.
19:53 Jordach if everyone's pushing it, why bother fighting it
19:53 BrandonReese I don't know how you browse the internet without javascript now days?
19:53 BrandonReese It does so many awesome things
19:54 reactor Ooh yeah yeah. Well, imagine you were now using a Windows machine loaded with crapware, just because they're pushing it.
19:54 reactor Or even farther, a tablet with all-locked stuff.
19:54 reactor WHy resist?
19:54 reactor s/H/h/
19:55 reactor Let's them implant chips under our skin for tracking.
19:55 reactor s/'s//
19:56 reactor Not every change is a good change. People need to give up this fetish of change.
20:00 reactor Especially now, when init is in question.
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20:09 Tg1 hello
20:10 reactor herro
20:14 Krock hi
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20:18 Tg1 Oh Krock didn't see you for a long time now :D
20:18 Krock Haha
20:20 Jordach silly Tg1
20:21 Tg1 why i am silly :(
20:21 Jordach bar at the right shows the users in this channel
20:21 Jordach ones in grey might be away
20:21 Jordach and i'm 200 frames down out of 1882
20:22 Tg1 Okey
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20:31 sfan5 ... :-(
20:32 MinetestBot joined #minetest
20:33 * Jordach thinks MinetestBot just passed out
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20:42 sfan5 <3 MinetestBot
20:42 MinetestBot <3 sfan5
20:42 sfan5 finally
20:42 sfan5 SSL is fucking nightmare
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20:43 ShadowNinja sfan5: You mean TLS, right?  :-)
20:43 sfan5 both
20:43 sfan5 https://github.com/sfan5/phenny/commit/7​b58e66a0fa2f42491d7bac37f7b0b346e1cacf1
20:43 sfan5 that small thing
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20:47 MinetestBot GIT: Uberi commited to Uberi/MineTest-WorldEdit: Merge pull request #36 from spillz/master https://gi 2014-02-24T06:46:26-08:00 http://git.io/qIbReg
20:47 MinetestBot GIT: spillz commited to Uberi/MineTest-WorldEdit: Fix incorrect fixedpos var names in the GUI form https://gi 2014-02-23T17:31:09-08:00 http://git.io/HUueDQ
20:47 MinetestBot GIT: Uberi commited to Uberi/MineTest-WorldEdit: Add `worldedit_shortcommands`, which adds aliases to commonly used chat commands that allow users to type in long command names faster. Idea is courtesy of @electricface. https://gi 2014-02-23T11:16:22-08:00 http://git.io/9Wkw2Q
20:47 MinetestBot GIT: Uberi commited to Uberi/MineTest-WorldEdit: Fix chat commands display. https://gi 2014-01-28T11:14:36-08:00 http://git.io/oDzf-A
20:47 sfan5 ahh
20:47 sfan5 what in the..
20:47 sfan5 what
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20:47 Jordach silly girl
20:47 * sfan5 pets MinetestBot
20:48 * Jordach picks up MinetestBot
20:48 ShadowNinja Aha, so it doesn't have a proper queue!
20:48 Jordach silly you
20:49 ShadowNinja sfan5: Now make a patch to use a we prefix instead of /.  :-)
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21:05 sfan5 john_minetest: http://i.imgur.com/7jtdgLn.jpg
21:07 sfan5 lol
21:08 sfan5 media always gets it wrong: http://i.imgur.com/2b8Fec3.jpg
21:10 sfan5 http://i.imgur.com/n7yZvKn.jpg lol
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21:22 PilzAdam wrong language: https://forum.minetest.net/vie​wtopic.php?pid=131119#p131119
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21:29 JackGruff is staying in root that bad of a practice when you're leaving noob territory?
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21:33 hoodedice We got another infringement
21:33 hoodedice http://www.globeminner.com/
21:33 sfan5 ewww
21:34 hoodedice Selling for $15
21:34 sfan5 reading bloomberg's news is painful
21:34 sfan5 > after Bitcoin was hacked multiple times last week
21:34 sfan5 >Bitcoin >hacked
21:34 sfan5 D:
21:34 PilzAdam lol https://forum.minetest.net/vie​wtopic.php?pid=126388#p126388
21:34 PilzAdam its like his diary
21:34 sfan5 ok wat
21:35 hoodedice It is, but he did turn out to be useful in the end lol
21:35 hoodedice As long as he spams one thread, I don't care.
21:36 hoodedice But any idea on what do we do with this new clone?
21:43 sfan5 hoodedice: http://i.imgur.com/8j1DsQd.png
21:48 kahrl lol, they are selling pokeballs too: http://www.ilovepetras.com/20-ultra-series
21:48 sfan5 !up globeminner.com
21:48 sfan5 lol
21:48 hoodedice "pokeballs"
21:48 hoodedice Pfft bahahaha
21:49 hoodedice Minetestbot!
21:49 Jordach can we just tell the FSF to deal with them?
21:49 sfan5 MinetestBot!
21:49 MinetestBot globeminner.com:30000 is up (2962ms)
21:49 Jordach PFFFFFFTTTTT
21:49 hoodedice Such lag
21:49 sfan5 dat ping
21:49 Jordach PLOL
21:50 hoodedice such timing
21:50 hoodedice so ninja
21:50 sfan5 very lag
21:50 MinetestBot sfan5!
21:50 hoodedice ^
21:51 sfan5 MinetestBot!
21:51 MinetestBot sfan5!
21:51 Jordach it's time i suggest we add a new gigantic RED TEXT BANNER stating other games that do not come from minetest.net are potential malware
21:51 sfan5 I think I need a better vps
21:51 sfan5 Jordach: noope
21:51 Jordach eg, any binaries
21:51 hoodedice !rainbow *I a a pretty girl*
21:51 MinetestBot 4*4I4 7a7 7a8 8p8r3e3t3ty g6i6r6l*
21:51 sfan5 it's time we make sure very good mods are not released under WTFPL
21:51 hoodedice ^^^^^x 10^100000
21:51 Jordach so let's s/WTFPL/GPL v2?
21:52 hoodedice GPL v3 I say
21:52 sfan5 AGPL
21:52 sfan5 every worse for ppl changing the src code
21:52 hoodedice Make our own ultra restrictive license
21:52 sfan5 >Most importantly, the Affero variant of the GPL requires you to publish your modifications in source form, even if the mod is run only on the server, and not distributed.
21:53 hoodedice later g2g in a hurry
21:53 * Jordach thinks we should move the source to a private github
21:53 sfan5 have fun paying the monthly rate
21:54 RealBadAngel http://i.imgur.com/UYjg4PK.png
21:54 RealBadAngel ^^ light sources in shaders
21:54 sfan5 RealBadAngel: when is the pull request for that coming?
21:54 RealBadAngel sfan5, still WIP
21:55 RealBadAngel im implementing now sun/moon as the light sources
21:55 sfan5 aha
21:55 sfan5 hahahahaha
21:55 sfan5 ahah
21:55 sfan5 D:
21:55 sfan5 I can't believe it
21:56 sfan5 these globeminner ppl really used the textures I made
21:56 RealBadAngel on image you can see shadows caused by light source placed where diamond block is
21:56 sfan5 (which were just the default ones run through xBRZ)
21:56 sfan5 they even have worldedit on their servers
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21:58 sfan5 but when did I release my xBRZ textures?
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21:59 hoodedice I still have 30 minutes
21:59 sfan5 I don't remember releasing my xBRZ textures
22:00 sfan5 hoodedice: they use the the default textures run through xBRZ
22:00 sfan5 I did this first
22:00 hoodedice xBRZ?
22:00 sfan5 but I don't remember releasing it
22:00 sfan5 they also have mesecons & worldedit
22:00 sfan5 ...
22:00 sfan5 hoodedice: https://forum.minetest.net/vie​wtopic.php?pid=120970#p120970
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22:01 sfan5 yep
22:01 sfan5 they are the exact same textures
22:01 sfan5 seems like they actually coded something themselves
22:02 hoodedice Hrm...
22:02 hoodedice Or maybe this thing is dang recent
22:02 hoodedice And they just snitched your code
22:02 sfan5 their worldedit version is not -dev
22:02 sfan5 I only released the python script for doing this
22:02 hoodedice RealBadAngel: Nice work! Looking forward to merge =D
22:03 hoodedice if not -dev, then stable?
22:03 hoodedice And how do you know?
22:03 sfan5 they only have worldedit and worldedit_commands
22:04 sfan5 any we version more recent than we 1.0 also has worldedit_infinity
22:04 sfan5 they use 0.4.6 though
22:04 hoodedice I can see that they did put some effort into this
22:05 hoodedice into looting people and infringing open licenses
22:05 sfan5 oh wait
22:05 sfan5 I'm
22:05 sfan5 arrgggghhhh
22:05 sfan5 baka!
22:05 sfan5 damnit
22:05 sfan5 I had a texture pack selecte
22:05 sfan5 d
22:06 hoodedice eh?
22:06 sfan5 I had that xbrz texture pack selected in my cleitn
22:06 sfan5 client*
22:06 hoodedice Did you get the game off the site?
22:07 sfan5 no
22:07 sfan5 fuck no
22:07 sfan5 I won't pay 14.pp
22:07 sfan5 I won't pay 14.99*
22:07 sfan5 but I joined their server
22:07 hoodedice oh yeah lol
22:07 sfan5 good night now
22:07 sfan5 lol
22:07 hoodedice gnight
22:07 * hoodedice places teddy bear on sfan5's ead
22:07 hoodedice *head
22:19 specing sfan5: any people on?
22:22 specing Maybe it would be time to put a backdoor into minetest for such occasions ;)
22:23 specing http://imgur.com/gallery/asnpvjM
22:26 RealBadAngel ok, this one you gonna like i think:
22:26 RealBadAngel http://i.imgur.com/nF21iLw.png
22:27 RealBadAngel lights source as before in the middle, specular lighting, bumpmapping and parallax in action
22:43 ShadowNinja ~up globeminner.com 30000-30015
22:43 ShadowBot ShadowNinja: Error: Too many Ports specified
22:43 ShadowNinja ~up globeminner.com 30000-30010
22:43 ShadowBot ShadowNinja: globeminner.com port 30000 is up (908ms) | port 30008 is up (895ms) | port 30010 is up (847ms) | port 30006 is up (1109ms) | port 30001 is up (1120ms) | port 30004 is up (1116ms) | port 30002 is up (1120ms) | port 30005 is up (1115ms) | port 30007 is up (1111ms) | port 30003 is up (1121ms) | port 30009 is up (1110ms)
22:43 ShadowNinja Lotta servers.
22:44 ShadowNinja Ping is high though.
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23:07 john_minetest blargh... computers...
23:07 john_minetest much complicated
23:08 john_minetest very code
23:08 john_minetest such ieee
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23:08 john_minetest cya
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