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00:04 ShadowNinja https://pbs.twimg.com/media​/Be72GYUCYAAM7Vq.png:large
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00:11 PinkSquirrel Oh, my. That would be *way* above my pay grade, ShadowNinja.
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00:13 ShadowNinja Hehe.
00:28 PilzAdam_ bye
00:30 * VanessaE looks at ShadowNinja's link ....  and goes completely cross-eyed.
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01:13 hoodedice Is the madness over?
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01:14 hoodedice us_0gb:
01:14 hoodedice Hi
01:16 ShadowNinja hoodedice: Nope, not yet.
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01:25 us_0gb Why am I us_0gb again? I'm supposed to be Pink Squirrel.
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03:38 Gatharoth Ello all
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06:29 Adarqet-Doge VE-Minetest: players
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06:31 LazyJ Sokomine, have you heard any players complaining about their inventories being "rolled back" or reset after upgrading to Minetest 0.4.9?
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06:35 * LazyJ is away: I'm away
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06:40 LazyJ Ugh... I forgot to shut that off.
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06:43 ShadowNinja ~tell LazyJ I haven't.  Inventories weren't changed much (at all?) in 0.4.9.
06:43 ShadowBot ShadowNinja: O.K.
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07:42 Hirato_ scumbag shadowbot doesn't pass the message to LazyJ
07:42 Hirato_ assuming it does that in the channel
07:43 LazyJ I received a pm from shadowbot / shadowninja saying that the player files hadn't changed much (if at all) in MT049.
07:43 Hirato_ :o
07:44 LazyJ So it may very well be a gremlin unique to our server now.
07:44 ShadowNinja Hirato_: ShadowBot uses PMs, intentionally.
07:44 LazyJ It just started happening after the upgrade to MT049 last weekend.
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07:46 LazyJ Nothing unusual in the logs to indicate what may be causing it. No new mods have been installed. The players affected don't seem to have anything in common, as far as we know atm.
07:47 Hirato_ were they playing before the upgrade?
07:48 Hirato_ as in, hours or minutes before
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07:49 LazyJ The server was shutdown for several hours during the upgrade (clearobjects was run first, taking up most of the time).
07:49 LazyJ The players may have been in-game when the server shutdown for it's nightly backup routine.
07:49 LazyJ But that hasn't been a problem before.
07:50 Hirato_ I'm just suggesting that maybe the server was killed before it had a change to write their inventories
07:51 LazyJ The problem showed up about a week after the upgrade. So they have been playing as usual.
07:52 LazyJ These are regular players, so they aren't just some fly-through, players kvetching.
07:53 LazyJ I've loaded my empty inventory slots with wooden swords (something I wouldn't ever need or use - an odd-ball item that I will notice) and will wait to see what happens after tonight's backup.
07:53 LazyJ As a test to see if the gremlin affects my player file.
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07:56 LazyJ I checked the logs and the server didn't crash during the time their inventories were changed.
07:57 LazyJ Trying to figure out what was happening through a process of elimination.
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11:33 PilzAdam Hello everyone!
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11:56 RagnarLaud hi doods
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12:06 RagnarLaud crap, i logged into my website from another IP address, and like it had to, it didn't let me in and sent me an email :D
12:07 * Jordach just adblocked an adblock disable notification
12:07 Jordach +please
12:07 RagnarLaud xD
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12:13 markveidemanis Hi
12:13 markveidemanis http://static.squarespace.com/static/521b84​9de4b08ade07855358/521e3645e4b0e5f4920744e5​/521e365ae4b0c4c442a0d75e/1377711926162/Pau​l-Nicklen-Leopard-Seal-006.jpg?format=1500w
12:13 markveidemanis :(
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12:23 Jordach plol some random C# app works in WINE
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12:34 markveidemanis Hmm...
12:34 markveidemanis Is my hostname my ip?
12:35 markveidemanis host86-131-41-15.range86-131.btcentralplus.com == 86.131.41.15?
12:35 markveidemanis COuld it be useful?
12:37 Jordach no shit
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14:19 sirdigby hello
14:22 sfan5 hello
14:23 sfan5 !deop ShadowNinja sfan5
14:23 sfan5 MinetestBot!
14:23 sfan5 ...
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14:24 sfan5 MinetestBot!
14:24 MinetestBot sfan5!
14:25 sfan5 !deop ShadowNinja sfan5
14:25 sfan5 ???
14:25 sirdigby lol
14:26 PenguinDad hello MinetestBot
14:26 MinetestBot sup PenguinDad
14:29 harrison do not anger Torpo the Sluggish
14:29 harrison for while he is slow to wrath
14:29 harrison once angered
14:29 harrison he is still sluggish
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15:07 hoodedice Jordach!
15:07 Jordach yes
15:07 hoodedice How do I change the eye colour in the model?
15:08 Jordach hoodedice, click the body
15:08 Jordach look at the red and white checkered tab
15:09 Jordach (should be under the outliner)
15:09 Jordach there are actual limits with my skin, however
15:09 Jordach model*
15:11 hoodedice ?
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15:12 Jordach the problem is it only supports skins that use the eye positions of Sam II
15:14 hoodedice http://i.imgur.com/Sm65hZR.png
15:14 hoodedice I'm using mcskin3d to make my skin...
15:14 hoodedice ^That is incomplete, was just testing
15:14 Jordach +1 for MCSkin3d
15:15 Jordach get a copy of Sam II
15:15 hoodedice But looks zwizzing creepy
15:15 Jordach and keep the eyes in the same place
15:15 Jordach (you can also use char.png / steve.png)
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15:19 john_minetest Hello everypony
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15:24 Jordach ello hoodedice
15:24 hoodedice The only problem with IE 11 with Windows 8.1 touch
15:24 hoodedice Pages are not kept active
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15:26 Jordach MMM?
15:27 Jordach oh
15:27 Jordach get Firefox or CHrome
15:29 Jordach something i didn't know, spotify uses Lua
15:31 hoodedice I'm on firefox atm
15:31 hoodedice brb
15:31 reactor People still use IE?
15:31 reactor What a ridicule of a world is ours!
15:33 sirdigby nubs
15:33 hoodedice Because it has gestures
15:33 Exio4 some people still uses windows too
15:33 Exio4 also
15:33 hoodedice And browsing some sites are actually faster
15:33 Exio4 someone asked for ardour in his widnows
15:33 hoodedice And Exio4 still plays minecraft
15:33 reactor Exio4: yeah :(
15:33 Exio4 windows*
15:33 * hoodedice flies away
15:34 Exio4 hoodedice: yeah, sad, no?
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15:37 * Jordach starts singing to http://open.spotify.com/tr​ack/7Az9kfq4JLD8auD1xoErrP / spotify:track:7Az9kfq4JLD8auD1xoErrP
15:45 john_minetest http://imagebin.org/295200
15:46 Jordach moon looks good, lighthouse doesnt
15:50 hoodedice Now I get it lol
15:50 john_minetest Yeah, I actually spent more time on the moon than on the lighthouse :)
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15:57 hoodedice Jordach:  Should the grid size be the same too?
15:57 hoodedice Because mine has more detail
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15:58 Jordach ?///
15:58 Jordach pics
15:59 * Jordach pokes Gatharoth
15:59 Jordach hoodedice, the eyes should be in the same place as Sam IIs
16:00 hoodedice http://i.imgur.com/ljr8PV3.png
16:00 hoodedice WIP
16:01 Jordach hoodedice, idk
16:01 hoodedice k
16:01 hoodedice Now if I only had a way to overlay the two images...
16:02 hoodedice TADA, Paint.net
16:02 Jordach Y U NO GIMP
16:02 hoodedice Because windows
16:02 hoodedice And because it is lighter
16:03 hoodedice And because I don't need all those extra features
16:05 john_minetest You don't need extra features... but you are using windows... lol... oxymoron level: god.
16:06 hoodedice -.-
16:06 john_minetest Also because it is lighter.
16:06 john_minetest :P
16:06 markveidemanis SO hostname works as constant domain?
16:06 john_minetest wtf... And suddenly: markveidemanis
16:07 hoodedice I don't use windows because extra features - Because I have one pen drive, used for its recovery
16:07 hoodedice And I don't have another to install Xubuntu
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16:12 hoodedice I get it, eyes are slightly above SAM's
16:12 hoodedice Jordach, why did you smooth sam?
16:13 Jordach noise looks LIKE SHIT when the arms bend at 90 degrees
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16:18 hoodedice Jordach: I'm getting better at it lol http://i.imgur.com/Vy2oZkA.png
16:20 hoodedice Rendering mode in vieport shading is so shitty
16:21 hoodedice Jordach, Sam2 has these white squares in his eyes - but only the blue is rendered?
16:24 hoodedice enough blending for the day - *goes back t texturing*
16:24 Jordach hoodedice, interpolation
16:24 hoodedice !g interpolation
16:24 MinetestBot hoodedice: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interpolation
16:24 hoodedice Thank you MinetestBot
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16:26 rubenwardy Hi all
16:26 rubenwardy Hi all
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16:28 hoodedice Hey hmmmm, rubenwardy
16:28 PenguinDad !uudecode .2&D@<G5B96YW87)D>2$ \n
16:28 MinetestBot PenguinDad: Failed to handle data
16:29 PenguinDad hi rubenwardy
16:29 hoodedice rubenwardy: That moment when n00bs attempt to blender render: http://i.imgur.com/Vy2oZkA.png
16:31 Jordach lol PenguinDad
16:48 pitriss Hi, I wanted to ask.. Is possible to write from mod directly into remote mysql DB? Luajit is used on that server..
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17:30 MinetestBot GIT: sfan5 commited to minetest/minetest: Fix test for broken LuaJIT versions, solves #1152 f6232d71b6 2014-02-23T09:30:45-08:00 http://git.io/cFFJxg
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17:38 hoodedice Calinou!
17:38 hoodedice How does your wd mod work?
17:39 sfan5 hoodedice: it dw's wds until wd dw multiple wds
17:39 Calinou wd?
17:39 hoodedice ...
17:40 hoodedice I forgot it's name - The one that imports we schems into one world
17:40 Jordach worldedit?
17:40 Jordach you should be asking sfan5 on that, not me
17:40 sfan5 weblock?
17:40 hoodedice Oh wait
17:41 Calinou its*
17:41 Calinou also I didn't make WorldEdit
17:41 Calinou Jordach, weboob!
17:41 hoodedice lol, it wasn't calinou, someone else with a similar name
17:41 sfan5 cisoun?
17:41 hoodedice But who was it - I can't find te topic now
17:41 hoodedice Could be
17:41 sfan5 !g worldedit import world mod site:forum.minetest.net
17:41 MinetestBot sfan5: https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=572
17:41 sfan5 nope
17:41 hoodedice No not cisoun
17:41 sfan5 that's the WE topic
17:42 sfan5 I know it by ID :P
17:42 hoodedice *facepalm* I am so stupid XD
17:42 hoodedice CASIMIR!
17:42 hoodedice Found it: https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=8461
17:43 hoodedice Yeah, so anyone has any idea how ^ works?
17:45 hoodedice okay, what I really want to know is: When you import a we schem into your own world, is it imported as a set of blocks or as one huge block?
17:45 Jordach set of blocks
17:45 hoodedice And if the we shem is later deleted from this wd folder, will it still exist in that world?
17:46 Jordach yes
17:46 Gatharoth Ello ll
17:46 Gatharoth all*
17:46 Jordach Gatharoth, i remember playing on your server back in Jan 2012
17:46 hoodedice Hi
17:46 hoodedice So once I import, then the set of blocks in my map are no longer dependent on the .we schems
17:46 Gatharoth Haha, yeah, it's been almost 2 years since I've been around
17:46 Jordach yup
17:46 hoodedice k, thanks Jordach
17:47 hoodedice Calinou: much hate? "Link shorteners are discouraged for URLs that are not long."
17:48 Calinou where did you see an URL shortener?
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17:49 hoodedice go again?
17:50 hoodedice Jordach, Mc3dskinthingy has this hotkey cut called animate
17:50 hoodedice But it doesn't work
17:50 hoodedice *keyboard shortcut
17:54 Hiradur hey, what performance should I expect on VanessaE's Survival Server with an Intel i5 4570? Because I mostly get <30fps and one core is maxed out all the time. Is this normal?
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17:56 hoodedice Hiradur, try decreasing your minimum view range
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17:57 hoodedice And yes, it could be very well normal - I've heard there's some serious architecture on it
17:57 EvergreenTree o/
17:58 EvergreenTree My desktop is working again
17:58 EvergreenTree :D
17:58 Hiradur viewing_range_nodes_min = 35
17:58 Hiradur viewing_range_nodes_max = 160 this?
17:58 hoodedice EvergreenTree: What happens when you mix n00bs and Jordach's awesome blender skills?
17:58 EvergreenTree what?
17:58 hoodedice This happens: http://i.imgur.com/Vy2oZkA.png
17:58 EvergreenTree lol
17:58 hoodedice ninja'd XD
17:59 hoodedice Possibly, Hiradur - Apart from that you can also press - ingame
17:59 hoodedice -
17:59 Hiradur will try that, thanks
17:59 hoodedice First attempt http://i.imgur.com/Sm65hZR.png
17:59 hoodedice I got scared like shiz
18:00 EvergreenTree lol wow
18:00 EvergreenTree Jordach: is online I think
18:00 EvergreenTree he can help you
18:00 hoodedice I did have a 30 minute session this morning
18:00 Jordach meow
18:01 hoodedice That improvement was due to him
18:04 Hiradur hoodedice: I tried it and it increases fps by 10 at minimum view distance. Still not sure if this is right. I also experience heavy lag (over 1 second) on every server I tried so far.
18:05 hoodedice Lag is largely based on how many people connect and from where they connect
18:05 hoodedice But then again, everything is ambigious
18:06 hoodedice I had one Canadian and one Israeli connect on my East US server - No lag for anyone
18:06 hoodedice then one Canadian, and two Europeans - Heavy lag for everyone
18:06 Hiradur But it is the same for all servers. I'm from germany and connected to a german server and lag was still the same
18:07 hoodedice What's your net speed?
18:07 Hiradur 16k down, 1.2k up
18:07 hoodedice Well, that is slow -/
18:07 puhfa other servers having recently issues too? i was wondering if the irc mod has anything to do with it
18:08 hoodedice =/
18:08 puhfa what with the ddossing of freenode and all
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18:08 puhfa dunno bout the bot but it might cause holdup when its trying to reconnect
18:08 Hiradur But its pretty much average in germany. Probably above average.
18:09 hoodedice It's 4.3 Mbps
18:10 hoodedice avg in Germany
18:10 Hiradur with 16k I mean 16 mbits
18:10 hoodedice *confused*
18:10 Hiradur sorry ;)
18:10 * hoodedice jumps off building
18:10 hoodedice sfan5!
18:11 * sfan5 gives hoodedice a kitten
18:11 hoodedice sfan5: world average is 5 mbps - Does hiradur have higher or lower speed?
18:12 hoodedice hiradur: windows?
18:12 sfan5 hoodedice: 16 Mb/s > 5 Mb/s
18:12 Hiradur windows 8.1 x64, I also tried a lot of builds already, x32/x64 stable/dev
18:13 hoodedice hmm, weird stuff is happening...
18:13 hoodedice Abandon planet!
18:14 hoodedice Hiradur: while Windows 8.1 is also great, a linux distro gives you upto a 15 fps boost
18:14 hoodedice *proper linux distro
18:15 hoodedice use x32 as there is no real difference in performance with x64
18:15 Hiradur yeah, actually I'm going to change to Linux soon. Windows 8.1 isn't exactly great. I'm just waiting for the next Linux Mint LTS.
18:15 sfan5 hoodedice: wrong
18:15 sfan5 x6
18:15 hoodedice "Windows 8.1 isn't exactly great"
18:15 sfan5 x64 over x32 usually makes a differene
18:15 * hoodedice jumps off building
18:15 * sfan5 taps hoodedice
18:16 hoodedice sfan5: citation: PilzAdam
18:16 * sfan5 taps hoodedice's citation
18:16 hoodedice But, PilzAdam!
18:16 * sfan5 taps PilzAdam
18:17 PilzAdam if someone pings me again Ill kick
18:17 hoodedice PlzAdam
18:17 PenguinDad lol
18:17 Hiradur Weird thing is that Minecraft runs with >200fps on my machine. But I recently discovered Minetest and I really like it.
18:18 hoodedice MC is a finised game - Don't expect the same from MT as yet
18:18 hoodedice Unless you're on linux
18:18 Hiradur I like its rough edges
18:19 sfan5 Hiradur: have you taken a look at mods?
18:20 Hiradur Yeah, that is what I like the most about it. Also that it is very convenient to join a modded server.
18:21 Hiradur Great job you guys have done so far.
18:21 hoodedice *sob*
18:21 Hiradur If only the performance was better on my machine. But maybe Linux is the solution, Windows 8.1 really is sloppy at some things
18:22 hoodedice "Windows 8.1 really is sloppy at some things"
18:22 * hoodedice sets himself on fire
18:23 Hiradur I always was kind of a Windows fan since XP. I knew every tweak and stuff. But Windows 8.1 really drives me nuts. Usability and compatibility are crap. I got 7 bluescreens so far, something I haven't seen for years
18:24 specing lol
18:24 * sfan5 can confirm bluescreens and shitty usability
18:24 sfan5 MS is trying to mix tablet os and desktop os
18:24 hoodedice Why am I the only one to like 8,1
18:24 sfan5 you even have 2 different control panels with overlapping & unique functions
18:25 * specing is a Linux fan since Suse Enterprise Linux in 2000 or so
18:25 hoodedice And like 0 bluescreens till now?!
18:25 hoodedice And that too on a crappy TOSHIBA?!
18:26 Hiradur fun fact: While my laptop runs with Windows 8 I can not upgrade to Windows 8.1 because installation always ends with a bluescreen
18:26 hoodedice 8 is crap.
18:27 hoodedice Hiradur, try resetting and re updating
18:27 Hiradur I tried a fresh install from a USB Stick
18:28 Calinou <hoodedice> MC is a finised game - Don't expect the same from MT as yet
18:29 Calinou MC isn't "finished"
18:29 hoodedice derp
18:29 Calinou also Minetest is pretty usable and playable.
18:29 hoodedice It is, but just don't expect this to be MC - was what I was trying to say
18:30 Hiradur It appears to be more polished. I noticed some inconsistency between item icons and textures. I don't really mind though.
18:31 Calinou you can use texture packs
18:31 Calinou <hoodedice> And that too on a crappy TOSHIBA?!
18:31 Calinou not all TOSHIBAS are crappy.
18:31 hoodedice Well, this one is - partly
18:31 hoodedice I like te CPU and the inner hardware
18:31 hoodedice But the screen is LED.
18:31 hoodedice And their support is near crass
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18:39 Hiradur I also play Rigs of Rods which suffers from very bad performance and one user found out that it's probably cause by a high batch count. I always wondered, why MC-like games eat so many cpu-cycles, could this be an issue here? See: http://www.rigsofrods.com/threads/109468-Can-t-t​his-thing-go-any-faster-(RoR-performance-thread)    (not that I understand 3D programming though)
18:42 hoodedice RoR was a very good game and game engine
18:42 hoodedice But the crappy devs sold out, and started their own thing
18:42 hoodedice RoR is like, trash now
18:43 hoodedice MC like games suffer in performance because most world objects are live
18:43 Hiradur RoR is still fun. Although many features are broken :/
18:43 hoodedice There isn't enough quality content now
18:43 hoodedice Most of the better devs left for BeamNG
18:44 hoodedice There is a lack of good racing games on *buntu
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18:46 Hiradur Now and then good good content is released. But I didn't want to discuss RoR, I just wanted to point to batch count since this seems like a topic with a lack of documentation
18:47 Hiradur Although it could not affect MC-like games. I don't know. It's just that in RoR every visible beam has its own batch. Thought this could be the same for every block in MC
18:48 hoodedice The issue posted in there is not in mt
18:48 hoodedice The reason we have loads of meshes is because - we do
18:48 hoodedice And we can't help it
18:49 hoodedice But then again, most of what I say is irrevelant, because I'm not a core dev
18:49 hoodedice I'm only an amateur modder and a server admin
18:50 Hiradur Maybe it is of use to someone.
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19:00 Calinou c<hoodedice> But the screen is LED.
19:00 Calinou LCD LED
19:00 Calinou not true LED
19:00 Calinou also, LED isn't bad.
19:00 Calinou Hiradur, I never got RoR to run
19:00 reactor It's just a type of backlight.
19:00 Calinou <hoodedice> MC like games suffer in performance because most world objects are live
19:01 reactor It should be more energy efficient than mercury lamps, though.
19:01 Calinou poor rendering code, too many entities which are rendered inefficiently, fog could be tweaked better, 20 unneeded ticks per second (10 are enough)
19:01 Calinou <hoodedice> There is a lack of good racing games on *buntu
19:01 Calinou Stunt Rally, SuperTuxkart
19:01 Calinou first one is semi-simulation, fun, lots of tracks, has online MP (but no players usually)
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19:11 ShadowNinja sfan5: Those modes should be conbined.  And "We're still under attack (DDoS), expect disruptions" -- #freenode
19:12 Hiradur Calinou, RoR: why? Are you using Linux? Performance: "too many entities which are rendered inefficiently" -> batch count? :D
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19:12 Calinou yes, GNU/Linux
19:13 Calinou I'll look at my forum thread
19:13 sfan5 mh, ok
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19:14 sfan5 !op ShadowNinja sfan5 PilzAdam Jordach
19:14 sfan5 #
19:14 sfan5 #m
19:14 sfan5 MinetestBot!
19:14 MinetestBot sfan5!
19:15 sfan5 I should really move MinetestBot from my shitty vps to somewhere else
19:15 reactor back to the 90s?
19:16 Krock Hey MinetestBot
19:16 Calinou no reply
19:16 MinetestBot Hello Krock!
19:16 john_minetest back to the FUTURE!
19:16 Hiradur link?
19:16 ShadowNinja Hey ShadowBot
19:16 ShadowBot Hello ShadowNinja!
19:17 ShadowNinja Krock: ^  :-)
19:17 Krock ShadowBot i hate you
19:17 Krock ehm
19:17 Krock Hey ShadowBot
19:17 ShadowBot Hello Krock!
19:17 Krock Too bad.
19:17 ShadowNinja Hmmm?
19:18 john_minetest .help
19:18 john_minetest ~help
19:18 ShadowBot john_minetest: help [<plugin>] [<command>]
19:18 john_minetest Hah
19:18 ShadowNinja It matches "(?i)^(?:(?:(?:Hello)|(?:Hi)|(?:Hey​)|(?:Yo)|(?:Greetings)|(?:Howdy)),? ShadowBot(?:!|\.)?)$"
19:18 Krock ~help die
19:18 ShadowBot Krock: Error: There is no command "die".
19:18 MinetestBot GIT: Uberi commited to Uberi/MineTest-WorldEdit: Add `worldedit_shortcommands`, which adds aliases to commonly used chat commands that allow users to type in long command names faster. Idea is courtesy of @electricface. https://gi 2014-02-23T11:16:22-08:00 http://git.io/9Wkw2Q
19:18 ShadowNinja Krock: It uses 'quit' for that.
19:18 john_minetest ~help me because I got this long string
19:18 ShadowBot john_minetest: Error: There is no command "me because i got this long string".
19:19 sfan5 ~help google
19:19 ShadowBot sfan5: (02google <search> [--{filter,language} <value>]) -- Searches 02google.com for the given string. As many results as can fit are included. --language accepts a language abbreviation; --filter accepts a filtering level ('active', 'moderate', 'off').
19:19 john_minetest ~help me because I got this long string that will overflow the tiny RAM of the computer that ShadowBot is hosted on
19:19 ShadowBot john_minetest: Error: There is no command "me because i got this long string that will overflow the tiny ram of the computer that shadowbot is hosted on".
19:19 Krock Gr33tings ShadowBot
19:19 ShadowNinja john_minetest: Your definition of tiny is 20GB?
19:19 ShadowNinja ;-)
19:20 john_minetest I could msg ShadowBot so long until the message lock is several TB.
19:20 john_minetest *log
19:20 ShadowNinja ~cpu
19:20 ShadowBot ShadowNinja: I have taken 1061.06 seconds of user time and 29.74 seconds of system time, for a total of 1090.80 seconds of CPU time. My children have taken 0.98 seconds of user time and 1.45 seconds of system time for a total of 2.43 seconds of CPU time. I'm taking up 54MB of memory.
19:20 ShadowNinja It has a log of 1000 messages.
19:21 Krock omg
19:21 ShadowNinja +An SQLite DB.  But I have a DB that's been running for about a year and it's only 500MB. (6+ networks, 200 or so buffers)
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19:59 Taoki Guys... I would like to know something: Is it something BAD that I'm also into Minecraft, and on the #minecraft channel? Don't wanna go in detail over private conversations, but I'm hearing that now you are a bad Minetest member if you also like Minecraft. WTF?
19:59 Krock huh
19:59 EvergreenTree Taoki: That isn't true
19:59 EvergreenTree It's like linux vs. windows
19:59 Taoki Seriously. I understand some people here aren't also into MC, which of course is fine. But now I'm being dragged by the ear for being on the Minecraft channel over here
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20:00 Taoki Ok. Glad it's not a general thing then
20:00 EvergreenTree It's just some people are being anti proprietary
20:00 EvergreenTree Jordach uses minecraft
20:00 EvergreenTree There's nothing wrong with that
20:00 EvergreenTree Same argument with people who use windows
20:00 Jordach btw, thanks for spilling my tea Taoki on my mechanical kb
20:00 Taoki I'm anti proprietary too. I would never use closed-source software given the choice, except some games I do like. But I don't think using something proprietary is actually a sin
20:01 EvergreenTree Taoki: it isn't
20:01 Taoki mechanical kb?
20:01 EvergreenTree even though some people say it is
20:01 EvergreenTree mechanical keyboard
20:01 Taoki oh
20:01 EvergreenTree ^ pretty expensive keyboards
20:01 EvergreenTree ~50$ at the cheapest
20:01 Taoki Jordach: I'm sorry... it's just that hearing about such things sorta came as a shock
20:01 Jordach that's fine
20:01 Jordach your PM made me jump when i put the tea down
20:02 * Taoki is pretty confused even. But prefers to remain confused on such a matter, cuz making sense of it would be even weirder
20:04 Taoki Jordach: Ah, the notification sound of me PM-ing you? Or you meant the content?
20:05 Jordach Taoki, i meant the sight of the notification in KDE
20:05 Jordach i didn't see it until my eyes registered it
20:05 Taoki Aaah. That's why you were slow to reply :P Sorry about that
20:05 Taoki And nice to see someone else who uses KDE :)
20:06 Jordach Taoki, Mak-LionTaste and GhostShell panel and icon set
20:10 Jordach Taoki, http://imgur.com/a/CvU6Q
20:10 Jordach example :)
20:11 EvergreenTree Taoki: I use kde
20:11 EvergreenTree kubuntu
20:11 EvergreenTree so does PilzAdam
20:11 Jordach i just did kubuntu-desktop
20:13 Taoki Nice
20:14 Jordach i like the OS X idea of everything on the bottom
20:15 Taoki In my case, I configured KDE to be a lot more like the Windows 7 desktop I was used to before moving to Linux. Talk about the discussion earlier ;)
20:16 * Jordach starts playing Baba O'Riley - The Who
20:16 Jordach Taoki, to be honest W7's UI was perfect
20:17 Taoki I did like it, yes
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20:17 Taoki And I'm glad that I can get a very similar layout with KDE. All in open-source only software :)
20:18 Jordach i used to blend in windows
20:18 Jordach until i got near perfect results in Linux too
20:18 john_minetest http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OTBF6JnGGaA
20:18 Jordach Taoki, i'm more surprised you don't have a DA
20:18 Taoki I do
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20:19 Jordach linkz
20:19 Jordach also - place bets on a spammer: https://forum.minetest.net/profile.php?id=9138
20:19 Taoki The art I make is a bit more controverted though. So since I don't wanna get lynched, maybe a bit later :)
20:19 Jordach there's always PM
20:20 Taoki Nothing Minecraft / Minetest themed though
20:20 Jordach you think i've not seen the dark corner of the net?
20:20 sfan5 Jordach: have you browsed many parts of the tor network?
20:21 Taoki Most people have. Some still don't react too well to it though
20:21 Jordach some
20:22 Jordach fail
20:22 Jordach and my right ear is blocked
20:24 john_minetest grml
20:24 john_minetest TMW might go steam... :/
20:24 * Jordach just uses the power of BASS to clear it
20:29 john_minetest Don't use the bass mix that says: "Turn the volume down, this will hurt you". It is lame. No real bass.
20:30 Jordach john_minetest, i'd go higher, and liquify the earwax :D
20:35 john_minetest I want this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_u3BRY2RF5I
20:35 john_minetest Oh, wait...
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20:35 john_minetest I got no social media...
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20:41 * Jordach exports a world quick;y
20:43 * john_minetest downloads GCC.
20:44 Jordach YOU MAD MAN
20:45 john_minetest And now compiling...
20:45 john_minetest Should be half an hour.
20:45 john_minetest Or 20 minutes
20:45 john_minetest Not sure. Will check.
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21:00 john_minetest hmmm
21:08 john_minetest real23m19.850s
21:08 john_minetest close
21:12 john_minetest woah, packaging takes ages...
21:18 sfan5 john_minetest: why do you take that long to compile gcc?
21:18 sfan5 also: why gcc?
21:18 sfan5 clang is much better
21:18 john_minetest Because gcc only needs glibc.
21:19 sfan5 john_minetest: http://i.imgur.com/a6u21jm.jpg
21:19 john_minetest clang needs that other stuff
21:19 sfan5 wat
21:19 sfan5 you can build clang from one source tree
21:19 john_minetest really? okay, I should try it later.
21:19 sfan5 http://clang.llvm.org/get_started.html
21:20 sfan5 it would be a pain in the ass to compile everything seperatly
21:21 john_minetest Ah, I always thought one would have to get llvm AND clang.
21:21 sfan5 that is right
21:21 sfan5 you need llvm and clang
21:21 john_minetest But it seems it is only one repo that is seperated
21:21 sfan5 but you can build everything in one source tree
21:22 sfan5 do you even read?
21:22 sfan5 that are serveral repos
21:24 john_minetest Yeah, I said that.
21:24 john_minetest When I first saw clang I only read "You need LLVM and Clang" and I was not further interested anyway.
21:25 john_minetest But when everything is in one build tree, it is something else.
21:29 john_minetest Wow, clang also takes long to compile...
21:32 sfan5 john_minetest: but it's faster than gcc with compiling c++ (and probably c too)
21:33 john_minetest But are the programs created with it faster?
21:33 john_minetest If I get a 10 seconds speedup when compiling once a year but I get a 1 second slowdown in a program I use daily it is over 300 seconds time loss.
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21:39 john_minetest And I guess Clang isn't faster because it is "programmed better" but because it leaves out a lot of optimisations.
21:49 Megaf VanessaE: Hi, can you please tell me whats that skin mod name again?
21:49 VanessaE player_textures
21:50 VanessaE https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=3587
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21:56 john_minetest hey STHGOM
21:56 Megaf Thank you
21:57 STHGOM hey
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22:23 john_minetest cya
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22:58 PilzAdam bye
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