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00:01 zsoltisaw geez, I pinged more thatn an hour ago
00:08 ShadowNinja sfan is idling for 2 h, 25 min, 34 sec (since 2014-02-12 21:42:32 UTC)
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00:22 MichaelRpdx arb - how long have you been running your Arch based minetest?
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00:31 Megaf Help, my server is fucked up again
00:31 Megaf minetest is fucking fragile!
00:32 Megaf I had a Kernel Panic so my sserver restarted
00:32 Megaf I attempted to start the minetest server again
00:32 Megaf it coplained about two corrompted files, as it did before
00:32 Megaf As I did before, I deleted those two files
00:33 VanessaE now
00:33 VanessaE rather than sign off
00:33 Megaf map_meta.txt and env_meta.txt
00:33 VanessaE how about a crash report of it?
00:33 VanessaE um
00:33 Megaf then, as before I tried to start it again without these two files
00:33 Megaf it didnt start
00:34 VanessaE if you panicked, and your system trashed files that are not normally written to all that often, you have a problem with your system, not minetest
00:34 Megaf so, as someone here said, I got the en_meta from another world and place it there
00:34 VanessaE so why didn't it start?
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00:34 VanessaE you can't erase the map_meta.txt
00:34 VanessaE that's your flags, seed, etc.
00:34 VanessaE you delete that and you're fucked 9 ways to sunday
00:35 Megaf then, it complained about a corromped user
00:35 VanessaE do you have backups?
00:35 Megaf so I moved that user file away
00:36 Megaf and now it gets stuck at "Loading user data"
00:36 VanessaE um
00:36 VanessaE that was a yes-or-no question...
00:36 Megaf I mean
00:36 Megaf 22:16:37: INFO[main]: Server: Loading players
00:36 VanessaE do you or don't you keep backups?
00:36 Megaf stuck at this point
00:38 * VanessaE waits for answers to her questions
00:40 VanessaE ...
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00:40 Megaf my computer crashed again
00:40 Megaf oh dear
00:41 VanessaE it's customary, megaf, to answer people's questions (crashes or not :P )
00:41 VanessaE did you get a debug.txt output of the last failed start up, and do you keep backups of your server data?
00:41 Megaf yes I have a backup VanessaE
00:41 VanessaE how old?
00:41 VanessaE and does it cover player files and world files, or just the map?
00:41 Megaf I learned the hard way to make backups
00:41 Megaf entire minetest folder
00:42 Megaf I backup it up every time I do git pull
00:42 VanessaE ehm
00:42 VanessaE well first thing you need to do is restore that map_meta.txt
00:42 VanessaE now.
00:42 Megaf ok
00:42 VanessaE you blow that away and your map is guaranteed to get screwed up.
00:43 VanessaE env_meta.txt is a different matter.  you can usually just re-create that one from any random working example (or I think just delete it entirely) and you're fine
00:43 VanessaE for the loading players problem, move the whole players folder out of minetest's reach.
00:44 VanessaE force it to recreate it.  then copy the files back in in batches, say 5 letters-of-the-alphabet at a time
00:44 VanessaE A-E, F-J, etc.
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00:44 VanessaE restart the server between batches and keep doing that until it stops working, to narrow your search for the bad player file.
00:45 VanessaE but it sounds to me like you hosed your filesystem with that kernel panic
00:45 Megaf what about the screwed player?
00:45 VanessaE and if that's the case, you can't do anything about it but restore completely from backups
00:45 VanessaE and your backups had better be on external/separate media
00:46 Megaf they are in the same media, but its a heatly tar.gz
00:46 VanessaE first thing's first, check the integrity of your filesystem
00:46 VanessaE (fsck or some gui app from a boot USB stick)
00:46 VanessaE make absolutely sure nothing's fucked up
00:47 Megaf VanessaE: my FS its ok
00:47 Megaf its XFS
00:47 VanessaE oh G*d
00:47 VanessaE you're screwed.
00:47 Megaf I know
00:47 Megaf screwed for speed sake
00:48 VanessaE XFS does NOT handle these kinds of screwups gracefully at all.
00:48 Megaf VanessaE: well, server is up without the players files
00:48 VanessaE there's a reason I stopped using it.  of course that was a damned long time ago, maybe now they're not so sensitive.
00:48 Megaf lets put players back 5 by 5?
00:48 VanessaE ok now you have to begin restoring them.  copy them in small batches, 5 letters of the alpha at a time
00:49 VanessaE copy - restart - check for errors - repeat
00:49 VanessaE when it finally dies, you have a small lettered range to skim for bad files
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00:50 * ShadowNinja is reading about SConstruct.
00:53 ShadowNinja So far SCons looks great.  It's a build system, like CMake.  But it has a proper programing language (Python) as the configuration syntax.
00:54 Megaf oh dear
00:54 Megaf trouble already
00:54 ShadowNinja I'm able to build a project with two source files easily with one line of Python.
00:54 Megaf isnt there another way to find the screwd players?
00:54 Megaf in the past I would just see the 0 KB player files
00:56 Megaf just found a good way to see that
00:56 Megaf unkown file type players files are messed up
00:57 VanessaE no, there's really no other way, megaf
00:58 VanessaE you just have to find the bad file the slow way
00:58 VanessaE if a file is sufficiently, but subtly corrupted, the server won't be able to tell
00:58 VanessaE that's the problem
00:58 VanessaE sorta like sending a corrupted webpage
00:58 VanessaE how's the server gonna know?
00:59 VanessaE only a client could tell if a webpage is corrupt, the server merely sends it.
00:59 VanessaE (well in the old days that was true anyway)
01:05 paramat hmmmmm, improved mod version of indev floatlands https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=8560
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01:32 NekoGloop http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ObEA27miF6I
01:46 VanessaE anyone want some snow?
01:47 VanessaE got too damn much of it here
01:49 * paramat wants snow in England
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01:56 us_0gb Thankfully the snow is receding here. The radio people keep hosting these "pray for snow" parties, but I want no part of that.
01:57 VanessaE whoever is praying for snow, I'd like to kick their ass(es).
01:59 us_0gb I would if I thought their prayers were having any effect.
02:00 VanessaE I wouldn't mind so much if not for the fact that I live at the bottom of a hill and my car does not have any winter equipment
02:01 us_0gb At least you have a car. I'm a pedestrian having to wade through this junk.
02:03 NekoGloop I want more snow
02:04 NekoGloop because that means I have a legitimate reason to stay the fuck at home
02:05 VanessaE well come here and take all this ugly white shit that you want
02:05 MichaelRpdx Megaf How many player files do you have?
02:05 VanessaE it's quite pretty.  once.
02:05 VanessaE but as soon as I have to get OUT in it, I hate it.
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02:11 VanessaE I could use a few kittens right about now
02:11 * VanessaE is really depressed
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02:13 NekoGloopMkII aaaaaagh my damn knee hurts :<
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02:58 zsoltisaw hey all! Who would like to help with dusting off Moontest?
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03:12 zsoltisaw anyone?
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04:41 us_0gb VanessaE: What's wrong? Also, <https://i.chzbgr.com/maxW500/5153016576/h67054C0E/>.
04:45 NekoGloopMkIII You want out? NO.
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05:46 VanessaE damn power just went out for a bit
05:46 VanessaE snow is killing us here
05:47 VanessaE what's worse is my UPS didn't do its job at all
05:48 VanessaE stupid thing's nothing but a glorified power conditioner now, batteries have no current-sourcing ability
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06:19 whmark Can anyone here help with modding? I have a simple question and #minetest-mods is dead
06:22 whmark I've added a new plant and everything works in single player but you can't plant the seeds in multiplayer. I've used most of the code from farming so I don't know what the problem is
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06:27 sfan5 whmark: it would be useful if you would post the code of your mod
06:28 whmark sure hold on, the code was just thrown together so nevermind that
06:29 whmark http://pastebin.com/miYGWNCB
06:30 sfan5 hm
06:31 sfan5 you could add some debug output where it return's out of place_seed
06:31 sfan5 I need to go now
06:31 sfan5 bye
06:31 whmark ok thanks
06:32 khonkhortisan where it return is out of
06:35 VanessaE and...power went out again...yay
06:39 MichaelRpdx I'm running my game and I see the seed value in the display, but it doesn't match the seed value in map_meta.
06:40 MichaelRpdx Should I: a) curse, b) accept the difference, c) change map_meta to match what I have on display, d) find better things to obsess over
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06:57 whmark I fixed the problem. The server had a mod 'farming' (not default) installed and somehow that messed it up. I noticed that it wasn't loaded on the singleplayer world so I deactivated it and it works :D
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08:14 grondilu do you guys know about #seedofandromeda?  Could minetest do something like that?
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09:43 Megaf Good morning
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10:04 john_minetest Hello everypony
10:17 Megaf Hello Pony John
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10:24 john_minetest Hello Реактор
10:26 reactor hell.o
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10:36 julienrat Hi every body
10:36 julienrat is there a way to export from mine test to STL format ?
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10:53 Megaf I have a list of files that I want to copy to other place, whats the cp command would look like then?
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11:05 reactor megaf, cp file1 file2 ... filen place
11:07 Megaf well, I mean, really a list, list.txt
11:07 Megaf one below another
11:07 Megaf well, I found a solution already, thanks anyway
11:07 Megaf cp `cat list.txt` location/
11:12 reactor apparently, yes
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12:14 john_minetest Amazing pictures: http://dedmaxopka.livejournal.com/72833.html
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12:28 Megaf My server is finally back
12:28 Megaf Im glad I use JFS
12:30 john_minetest JFS?
12:31 Megaf john_minetest: https://en.wikipedia.org/w​iki/JFS_%28file_system%29
12:33 Megaf Its a damn good and mature file system
12:33 Megaf "According to reviews and benchmarks of the available filesystems for Linux, JFS is fast and reliable, with consistently good performance under different kinds of load, contrary to other filesystems that seem to perform better under particular usage patterns, for instance with small or large files. Another characteristic often mentioned, is that it's light and efficient with available system resources and
12:33 Megaf even heavy disk activity is realized with low CPU usage. Especially for databases which need synchronous writes to survive a hardware crash, JFS with external journal seems to be the best option."
12:34 Megaf I've been using it for years now
12:34 john_minetest only for 64 bit?
12:35 john_minetest Or is that "64 bit" something different?
12:38 Megaf its something different
12:38 Megaf its the way it works
12:38 Megaf !up megaf.no-ip.info 30003
12:38 MinetestBot megaf.no-ip.info:30003 is up (594ms)
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13:38 tomreyn quite the latency - embedded system?
13:42 tomreyn oh .com.br, and the querying system is - I assume - a host1free vps, then it's fine.
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13:51 sfan5 Megaf: how about btrfs?
13:51 john_minetest reiserfs
13:55 Hirato__ it kills fire corruption
13:55 Hirato__ er... well damn, I guess this pipe got corrupted :M
13:56 * sfan5 puts a water pipe on Hirato__ 's head
13:56 * Hirato__ transmutes it into a kitten in spite
13:57 Hirato [263] Hirato WHO This command could not be completed because it has been used recently, and is rate-limited.
13:57 Hirato what?
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14:02 tomreyn you mustn't run /who more than once per 5s. it's possible your irc client runs it automatically when you open context menus on users in a channel or just join a channel, or just in regular intervals in the background.
14:03 tomreyn basically, just wait a few seconds and run it again if you actually menat to.
14:05 MichaelRpdx Is this something to be concerned about?
14:05 MichaelRpdx running my game and I see the seed value in the display, but it doesn't match the seed value in map_meta
14:05 Hirato I changed my nick from hirato__ to hirato and that popped up
14:06 tomreyn safe to ignore then
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14:11 Megaf sfan5: not mature yet
14:12 sfan5 no
14:12 Megaf and the best thing about it it USED TO BE the fastest file system
14:12 sfan5 yes
14:12 Megaf Ext4 its as fast as
14:12 Megaf XFS still the fastest
14:12 sfan5 btrfs stores my stuff just fine
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14:13 sfan5 it also survived many power "outages" (read: someone unplugged my rpi)
14:13 Megaf for speed I use LVM, and with that, XFS for more speed and JFS for safety sake
14:13 Megaf sfan5: I believe for that case, Ext3 is the most reliable
14:13 Megaf it can survive a lot of stuff
14:13 Megaf really well tested and maintened, just as JFS
14:14 Megaf still, nothing better than backup on a another media/computer
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14:14 sfan5 like I said btrfs works just fine for me and I don't plan to use ext3 or jfs
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14:44 Amaz Is it possible to limit the mapgen to a particular version in a gamemode?
14:44 Megaf sfan5: I never used btfrs for real, I used RaiserFS once or twice
14:45 Megaf and I hope to have solved my problems, automatic backups every hour
14:45 Megaf using backintime
14:45 sfan5 Amaz: what do you mean with 'limit to version'
14:45 sfan5 >automatic backups every hour
14:45 sfan5 lol
14:45 sfan5 I only do backups every 2 or 3 months
14:46 Amaz So that the you can only use mapgen 7, and no other version.
14:46 sfan5 what do you want to achieve?
14:47 Amaz So I'm working on a gamemode with someone else, and we're making a custom mapgen, and we want people to only be able to use that, and no other.
14:48 Amaz And it will only work with mapgen 7.
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14:49 sfan5 Amaz: use https://github.com/minetest/minetes​t/blob/master/doc/lua_api.txt#L1382 in https://github.com/minetest/minetes​t/blob/master/doc/lua_api.txt#L1271
14:50 Amaz Thanks.
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14:53 Amaz So where do I put that?
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14:58 Amaz At the start of mapgen.lua?
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15:17 sfan5 Amaz: yes
15:18 Amaz Ok. I found it literally a second before you answered!
15:24 Amaz Thank you for your help!
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15:32 reactor Megaf: щ/
15:34 john_minetest sh?
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15:42 harrison http://www.myfoxny.com/story/24699304/la-​takes-first-step-toward-urban-beekeeping
15:42 harrison looking crestfallen, the mule lurched to the crest of the precipice
15:42 harrison and fell off
15:44 reactor john_minetest: щ.
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15:45 reactor That was a pre-emptive щ. I've got a whole bag of щ, with your name on it.
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15:48 john_minetest harrison: In paris there are urban beekepers everywhere.
15:48 john_minetest London also has some.
15:49 john_minetest Honey of urban beekepers has less toxic ingredients as used in insecticides.
15:50 reactor Be passive-aggressive. Feed those bees something toxic to humans but non-toxic to the bees.
15:52 john_minetest Best solution for killing rats: Stop eating normal food, eat aspirin. You will never have headaches again and rats are killed by aspirin :P
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16:32 fwilson anybody know of any disadvantages to an LXC-virtualized Minetest server?
16:32 whiskers75 wut is LXC
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16:36 victor03 Hi
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16:51 Megaf How do I reset an user password?
16:52 sfan5 Megaf: /setpassword
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17:00 PilzAdam Hello everyone!
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17:05 Megaf Thanks a million sfan5
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17:10 * whiskers75 hugs PilzAdam
17:10 PilzAdam <3
17:11 whiskers75 Thanks for helping make minetest ;)
17:17 MichaelRpdx about seed:  running my game and I see the seed value in the display, but it doesn't match the seed value in map_meta
17:17 * MichaelRpdx is going to keep asking until someone answers
17:19 pitriss ..or until somebody bans you for spamming:D
17:19 pitriss (as topic says: be patient)
17:25 MichaelRpdx i figured there was enough turnover in people reading in three hours to make it worthwhile to ask.
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17:38 phantombeta Hai
17:38 whiskers75 hi
17:38 phantombeta How's it going?
17:39 whiskers75 fine, thanks
17:39 phantombeta That's good
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17:46 Jordach hey cisoun
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17:56 tomreyn fwilson: lack of proper isolation, but that's only when you run the virtualization host and isolation matters to you.
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17:57 tomreyn also lxc won't provide the same level of independence from interruption by other guest systems on the same host as virtualization would
17:57 tomreyn it's a container solution like openvz / linux-vserver
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18:04 Megaf fwilson: I find OpenVZ easier and well documented
18:10 sfan5 john_minetest: http://i.imgur.com/ZL8hXYX.gif
18:14 * blaise muches on some corned beef from the crock pot
18:14 blaise stuff has been cooking at low temp for 3 days
18:14 blaise it's incredible
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18:24 MichaelRpdx when running with --random-input is there a way to stop it and regain control?
18:24 Jordach MichaelRpdx, ctrl+c in the terminal
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18:25 sfan5 MichaelRpdx: no
18:28 MichaelRpdx I like it
18:34 cisoun Jordach: sup
18:34 Jordach not a lot
18:34 cisoun Blender crashed ?
18:34 PilzAdam Jordach, soup?
18:35 Jordach cisoun, nope, busy mining at -5KM
18:35 cisoun wuuut
18:35 Jordach i'm mining the fuck out of VanessaE's server
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18:35 cisoun There must be mese down there.
18:35 Jordach cisoun, pure mese blocks down there
18:35 cisoun hell yeah
18:36 Jordach btw, you're drawing skills are epic
18:37 cisoun Jordach: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xwnKie79mKo <- it's your fault !!!
18:38 cisoun oh thanks :->
18:38 Jordach o/
18:38 Jordach saw that earlier in google news
18:38 cisoun Haha !
18:38 cisoun Hard to watch when the cars fall. :D
18:39 Jordach http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IukDWhf7U9I
18:39 Jordach it's like watching kerplunk :D
18:39 Jordach cisoun, the orange car is like: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iabC7-9YUG4
18:40 cisoun lawl
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18:41 cisoun It's scary how sinkholes can appear when you don't expect them
18:41 cisoun fucking underground miners
18:41 Jordach Minetest with sinkholes
18:42 Jordach oh look at that motherfucking mansion made of diamond, diggy diggy hole - and it falls over :P
18:43 cisoun hehe
18:44 Jordach i even have a blender pupile
18:44 Jordach -e
18:44 cisoun who ?
18:44 Jordach evergreentree :)
18:46 cisoun I don't know him.
18:46 Jordach i suck at most art forms except 3d modeling
18:46 cisoun :D
18:47 Jordach he renders my videos, i teach him blender :P
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18:48 Jordach speaking of the said devil
18:48 cisoun You made some videos ? Can I see them ?
18:48 Jordach cisoun, http://youtube.com/JordachAnimations
18:49 whiskers75 oh, it's cisoun!
18:49 whiskers75 I remember you from '11
18:49 cisoun o_O
18:49 whiskers75 Remember, when someone took your nick
18:49 cisoun What was your nickname back then ?
18:49 whiskers75 and you forgot to register it
18:49 whiskers75 cisoun: 'whiskers75'
18:49 Jordach kray's server was the goddamn best :)
18:49 cisoun oh yeah, - fuck me - I remember you now !!
18:49 cisoun damn
18:49 whiskers75 ;)
18:49 cisoun You're always here or what ?
18:49 * whiskers75 hugs cisoun
18:50 cisoun * brofist *
18:50 cisoun Jordach: nice, blender engine ?
18:50 EvergreenTree yep
18:50 Jordach Blender internals
18:50 cisoun whiskers75: Are you still playing ?
18:50 cisoun 'k
18:50 EvergreenTree He's been doing blender for a good while now
18:51 EvergreenTree he is very good at it
18:51 EvergreenTree You probably don't remember me, I'm fairly new as members go
18:51 EvergreenTree I've been here for around a year
18:51 Jordach btw, i added head and eye tracking into the template model
18:51 EvergreenTree Nice!
18:52 cisoun I did a low-res car for a crappy webgl game I'm doing : http://188.61.129.8/Rails/RAILS/rails.html
18:52 cisoun You can just move it forward and backward and turn around with the mouse from now.
18:52 whiskers75 cisoun: I do play when I'm not coding ;)
18:53 cisoun yay !
18:53 whiskers75 I actually forked minetest
18:53 cisoun I can't since Linux 3.9 because the nvidia driver keeps freezing my computer when I'm playing minetest and the nouveau driver doesn't work since this version.
18:53 whiskers75 and added a fastbreak hack, so I can responsibly disclose it
18:54 whiskers75 cisoun: My computer also glitches when I play MT for extended periods
18:54 cisoun whiskers75: I'm following this : https://github.com/fogleman/Craft
18:54 cisoun It has potential !
18:54 whiskers75 ooh
18:54 * whiskers75 stars
18:55 cisoun At least this one doesn't use irrlicht and it's fast as hell. It has shader and a better ambiant occlusion.
18:55 harrison http://www.thesmokinggun.com/documents/​amish-horse-buggy-shooter-caught-978654
18:55 harrison "the killer was remorseless / the other guy was horseless / if he hadn't been a fool / he'd have opted for a mule"
18:55 cisoun wut
18:56 harrison cisoun nouveau nvidia glitches here too
18:56 cisoun :(
18:56 harrison mine is even worse
18:56 whiskers75 Mine just hangs.
18:56 whiskers75 CTRL-ALT-F1 does nothing
18:56 whiskers75 no dmesg
18:56 whiskers75 just...
18:56 whiskers75 hangs.
18:56 cisoun whiskers75: I made a fork of Craft, I've put my textures and changed some minor things in the shaders.
18:56 whiskers75 kewl
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18:56 harrison i can't use the nvidia driver at all because it makes the console invisible so i can't leave X to fix anything
18:56 cisoun Same.
18:57 cisoun The nvidia driver work here but only Minetest keeps freezing my computer after a while.
18:59 cisoun whiskers75: holy shyt, your github is full of repos ! o.o
19:00 cisoun Most of them are forks I suppose btw.
19:00 whiskers75 cisoun: lol
19:00 whiskers75 cisoun: that's from when I was crap at coding
19:00 whiskers75 cisoun: http://whiskers75.co.uk
19:01 cisoun Yeah I just stumbled on it by github.io.
19:01 cisoun (I didn't know you can make your homepage with that. That's pretty cool !)
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19:11 cisoun have a good night, I'm out to drink some beers o/
19:13 john_minetest sfan5: I don't understand why so many people suddenly like/dislike flappybird. I remember having played a similar game so long ago.
19:13 * sfan5 never played flappy birds
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19:22 * john_minetest never played flappybird either
19:22 john_minetest But it is a shitty game and boring.
19:22 sfan5 ack
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19:30 john_minetest My game is much more entertaining: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=cW4Z9aaD
19:30 john_minetest And it has so much better graphics.
19:33 sfan5 weee... mpv crashed for the first time in 0.5 years
19:49 sfan5 wow! libx265 is really fast: 0.5 fps
19:55 whiskers75 omg
19:55 whiskers75 such speed
19:55 whiskers75 wow
19:56 john_minetest such speed
19:56 john_minetest very frames
19:56 john_minetest much second
19:56 john_minetest wow
19:58 Megaf sfan5: not a bug, it's a feature, built it slow motion active by default
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20:31 sapier https://forum.minetest.net/edit.php?id=129782 please write your opinion
20:33 sapier https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=8571 sorry this is the correct link
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21:05 EvergreenTree sfan5: update the irc stats
21:05 EvergreenTree they're 10 days old
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21:05 STHGOM hello
21:19 sfan5 EvergreenTree: doing..
21:20 EvergreenTree okay
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22:34 MinetestBot GIT: Sapier at GMX dot net commited to minetest/minetest: Add check to avoid usage of broken LuaJIT < 2.0.0beta8 31ec14afe2 2014-02-13T14:28:01-08:00 http://git.io/Ow7e-Q
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