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00:14 Inocudom https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=8489
00:15 Inocudom This new feature would be an ideal application for colors.txt to be used by.
00:15 VanessaE he's more than welcome to use my colors.txt if he wants
00:16 VanessaE :)
00:16 Inocudom You should tell him that in the topic (might want to give him a link too.)
00:17 Inocudom That feature he is working on is something that will make navigating in Minetest much easier.
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00:18 Inocudom There was a big, nasty coal ash spill into the Dan River in North Carolina recently.
00:20 VanessaE dopne,
00:20 VanessaE done.
00:20 VanessaE oh my
00:23 harrison i got a fundraising mail from the pulmonary blindness foundation
00:23 harrison they are having a 24 hour breathathon
00:23 harrison the slogan of which is
00:23 harrison "Lung Time No See"
00:27 Inocudom https://forum.minetest.net/vie​wtopic.php?pid=129566#p129566
00:28 Inocudom I don't know if that server can survive an attack from a professional.
00:29 Inocudom It's true. It's true. The month of February is cursed. Disasters, winter storms, and work extravaganzas are all over.
00:30 Inocudom It looks like LandMine might tear stuff up this month too.
00:31 Peacock tear stuff up?
00:31 Inocudom https://forum.minetest.net/vie​wtopic.php?pid=129566#p129566 He said so himself in this topic.
00:32 Peacock meh, another argument for an optional, centralized player credentials system/server/we
00:32 Peacock (we as in whatever, not world edit :P)
00:36 Peacock though like mmdb, we should just use people's forum credentials
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00:53 Inocudom I know of a channel on YouTube known as HarvestArmy. If you want to know what will happen to your location in the future, you best keep an eye on it.
00:53 Peacock ?
00:55 Inocudom Gone are the days of happiness (not like things were ever happy on this planet anyway.)
00:56 Peacock ah more end of the world apocalyptic stuff
00:56 Peacock you know that shit's older than i am lol
00:56 Inocudom Soon, the worlds of Minetest could be the only things worth looking at, while everything else is messed up.
00:57 Inocudom This stuff is very old. Some originate in very old stories.
00:58 Peacock what i find funny about all these survivalist wackos (like alex jones) is on the one hand they predict the collapse of the economy, and the dollar... on the other hand they try to sell you all this gear...what use would money be to them if they think it's going to be worthless? should be your first red flag right there
00:58 PilzAdam the real world is by definition inferior to the world of Minetest, since it doesnt consist of voxels
00:58 Inocudom However, that does not mean that they were just telling stories.
00:59 PilzAdam topic of the day: https://forum.minetest.net/vie​wtopic.php?pid=129569#p129569
00:59 Inocudom I look to sources more trustworthy than Alex Jones (like ones that aren't alive anymore.)
00:59 Peacock this stuff is designed to attract the clinically depressed and the paranoid, and there's no shortage of paranoid free software folk who think corporations are personally out to get *them* lol i guess thats why i hear more about this stuff here and on /.
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01:00 PilzAdam thinking that the world will end in your lifetime is quite egocentric
01:00 Inocudom That topic you just showed kindly reminded me that there are a lot if ignorant folks these days.
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01:02 Peacock will it end in my lifetime? naw, will it get progressively worse? all signs point to yes lol but what can you do
01:02 PilzAdam define "worse"
01:02 Inocudom With what I am seeing in the world, I am certain that things will not improve, even if I live to be an old man.
01:02 Peacock economy, environment, robotic wars
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01:02 PilzAdam compared to the world a few million years ago this is quite a nice place
01:03 Peacock hell you should know, how many countries in Germany propping up in the EU now?
01:03 Peacock *is
01:03 Inocudom The threat of a scientific dictatorship scares me. Remember well science fiction.
01:03 Peacock hell an AI running things might not be such a bad thing, AI's can't be bought off like politicians, and they don't have ideologies
01:04 Inocudom There were times in Earth's history when the planet was nearly made uninhabitable.
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01:04 PilzAdam nearly?
01:04 PilzAdam it was uninhabitable for millions of years
01:05 Inocudom Advanced civilizations could have been wiped out that way. The moon and Mars do not lie.
01:05 Peacock well we barely know anything beyond the past 2 or 3 thousand years, there might have been other advanced civilizations before that
01:05 PilzAdam Peacock, eh.. what?
01:05 Peacock when you consider the roman empire and the dark ages and then the renaissance
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01:06 Peacock dunno, life is pretty good if you live in a rich country, the rest of the world might as well still be in the dark ages
01:06 PilzAdam LazyJ, network problems?
01:07 Inocudom Modern man may think that his current civilization is the best there ever was in this solar system. However, the moon and Mars tell otherwise. If only you had a telescope that you could look at the moon with.
01:07 LazyJ Wiped my hard drive without backing up my Xchat configuration. Starting/stopping trying to piece it back together.
01:07 Inocudom You would find the moon to be a rather interesting place.
01:07 LazyJ Sorry for the interruptions.
01:08 PilzAdam Inocudom, no signs of life at the moon, except some mirrors and an american flag
01:08 PilzAdam Peacock, the funny thing is, you dont actually know if the rest of the world even exists
01:09 Peacock by that same logic you can't know for sure if history went down the way it says in the books :P
01:09 PilzAdam of course
01:09 PilzAdam the only thing I know that I exist in this exact moment
01:09 Inocudom History as we know it is not the true history.
01:09 PilzAdam +is
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01:10 Inocudom Well, if you ever do find a good telescope, look around on the moon's surface.
01:11 PilzAdam Descartes had the interesting theory of a not lying god to prove that the world arround us is real
01:11 PilzAdam but that is a weak point in his ideas
01:12 Inocudom Relativity is the big belief of today's society. Not by accident either.
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01:13 Inocudom Big storms have struck Europe throughout this entire winter. Floods and hurricane-force winds have become the norm?
01:14 Inocudom Europe and Asia seem like the most dangerous areas on this planet right now.
01:14 PilzAdam not at all
01:14 PilzAdam the growing power of media just creates this illusion of "things getting worse"
01:15 Inocudom Britains getting flooded pretty good. Highest rain in 245 years I heard.
01:15 PilzAdam in many places in germany weather is recorded since <120 years
01:16 PilzAdam so we dont have enough data to prove any trend to the "worse"
01:16 PilzAdam in fact, the data we have, proves all the global-warming theorists wrong
01:17 Inocudom A different scenario is unfolding. Global warming was fabricated for the purposes of the powers that be.
01:17 PilzAdam all the models about the global warming have forecast an increase of the mean temperature, that we currently dont measure at all
01:17 Peacock you just need to look around youtube footage of hurricanes and snowstorms in the 60s to realize we've always had unpredictable weather :P
01:18 Inocudom I know that disasters have always been on this planet. These days see more of them, however.
01:18 PilzAdam weather actually is predictable, we just dont have the computing power
01:19 PilzAdam Inocudom, you "see" more these days because the media shows them to you
01:19 Inocudom Well, anyway, nature is not what I fear the most. The powers that run this world are.
01:21 PilzAdam the "powers that run this world" are more distributed currently than during the cold war
01:21 PilzAdam distribution of power is generally a good thing
01:21 Peacock until everyone has nukes lol
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01:23 Inocudom Never laugh at a nuclear bomb. Just one of them can cause lots of destruction.
01:23 Peacock dunno, when you look at the history of the 20th century, we had the most prosperity when the US was in charge and Bretton Woods was in force
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01:24 Peacock before that we had european imperialism that gave us two world wars and turned Africa and the Middle East into the messes they are today
01:24 Inocudom Whereas these days the US could go under and even be invaded.
01:25 Peacock are you kidding? have you looked at defense spending? lol
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01:25 PilzAdam Peacock, I agree that europe messed up africa, but it wasnt their fault
01:26 PilzAdam it was unavoidable that sooner or later they had to form states, and thats what really messed africa up
01:26 Peacock how is it not their fault? they basically let companies run entire countries/colonies
01:27 Inocudom A country should never be run by a private corporation.
01:27 Peacock and then with the liberal guilt of the 50's and 60's those gov'ts were hastily disassembled/turned over to dictators
01:27 PilzAdam the concepts of dividing the world into "states" is made in the western world
01:27 PilzAdam it doesnt work in other parts of the world very well
01:28 Peacock well it might work if they created them themselves, but states were imposed on them
01:28 PilzAdam humans always have the tendency to form small groups to be different from the others
01:28 Peacock much in the same way after the two WW's new states were formed out of parts of old states, which lead to things like the Yugoslav wars in the 90s
01:29 Inocudom But humans also have the tendency to be like everybody else. Why else would the terms sheep and herd be able to describe them.
01:29 PilzAdam and the need for difference to other groups leads to conflicts
01:29 PilzAdam you can see that between states and football clubs
01:30 PilzAdam Inocudom, only lik everybody else in the same group
01:30 Peacock well organized sports is another form of tribalism
01:30 Inocudom These days, few people are true individuals.
01:31 Inocudom The tribal instinct is a very strong aspect of human nature. Sports is effective because of it.
01:32 PilzAdam of course these groups have leaders, and these leaders have a lot of influence on the members, which leads to the observation that they all are not individuals
01:32 Peacock i prefer the expression "you're special, just like everybody else" :p
01:33 Peacock though you look how parents behave these days you'd think only *their* kid was special
01:33 Inocudom The old morales are being thrown out and new ones are appearing in their place.
01:34 PilzAdam "old morales"?
01:34 Peacock i think he meant morals :p
01:34 Inocudom If you live in Europe or USA, see how life was back in the 1950's. Things were different.
01:35 Peacock though im not sure thats ever been true, its just that technology today exposes so much of how people really are
01:35 Inocudom Though, the Romans were a pretty corrupt group.
01:35 PilzAdam Inocudom, what makes you think that morals have changed since the past?
01:36 Inocudom One of the things I have heard about concerning these days is moral relativity.
01:36 PilzAdam maybe "history" just tells us that in the past they had different morals, but in fact they acted exactly the same as we currently
01:36 Peacock so many people have rose-tinted view of the 50s lol they forget korea, the civil rights movement, apartheid, etc. lol
01:38 PilzAdam germany had an enormous economincal succes in the late 50s until the late 60s
01:38 Inocudom The 20th century was one of the bloodiest centuries in mankind's history. Yes, that is true.
01:39 Peacock hell they had race riots in the US, something Detroit never recovered from
01:39 Inocudom But yes, mankind was never perfect. Mankind has always been corrupt.
01:40 Peacock race relations are still very poor in the US, if the treyvon case is anything to go by
01:40 PilzAdam Inocudom, the question is, though, if its caused by a change in humans minds or just by the better weapons we have
01:40 PilzAdam if the romans had the weapons we have currently, would they kill more or less people than we do currently?
01:40 Inocudom One could say both.
01:41 Inocudom Life is cheap, that is the truth.
01:41 PilzAdam I object
01:42 PilzAdam ending a life is cheap
01:42 Inocudom Yes, but lives are ended frequently. That is why I say life is cheap.
01:43 PilzAdam you measure the value of an object not at the price to destroy it, but at the price to build it up
01:43 Inocudom Old age or natural illness is one thing, but murder is quite another.
01:44 PilzAdam for example its easy to destroy a car, does this make it cheap?
01:44 Inocudom Then you can only hope that the more time it takes to build it, the more time it takes to destroy it. Take Minetest creations as an example.
01:44 Peacock going purely by salaries and how long it takes to pay off a small home these days, life is cheap yeah lol
01:45 Inocudom Cheap can also refer to cheap difficulty and being swindled and lied to.
01:45 PilzAdam building up a life in current days is pretty "expensive", if you consider all the things we teach to childreen
01:45 Inocudom Or being betrayed.
01:46 PilzAdam but destroying a life gets cheaper and cheaper with each new weapong we invent
01:46 PilzAdam <Inocudom> Then you can only hope that the more time it takes to build it, the more time it takes to destroy it. <- so this is exactly not true currently
01:46 Peacock you're telling me, i dont even want 1 kid lol to my wife's everlasting disappointment
01:46 Inocudom Thus, such weapons should have never been made. The universe is not a toy to be played with. There are real consequences. Real consequences.
01:46 PilzAdam I dont understand people who dont want childreen
01:47 Inocudom I would not want to have kids because I would not want them to face what the future has in store. By what I have seen, it is nothing good.
01:48 Peacock simple, i turned 29 last week, still have no retirement savings, if i have a kid now, i wont even be able to save for retirement for another 20 years, which means i'll never retire and probably end up in some gov't "compassionate" euthanasia program
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01:48 PilzAdam Peacock, so this is a pure economical decision? like buying a new tv?
01:49 Peacock why not? childcare and education aren't free simply because they're kids, its economical to the institutions and businesses that cater to them
01:50 Inocudom Economics... Mankind will have truly accomplished something when he no longer needs it to survive and help others.
01:50 PilzAdam I have to go to sleep; was an interesting chat with you
01:50 PilzAdam bye
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01:51 Inocudom I wouldn't dare to discuss these things in the PureZC forums. Debates can get unpleasant there.
01:52 Peacock hell so long as we steer clear of the controversial stuff like proprietary software we should be good here :p
01:52 Peacock i wish economics wasn't a consideration in raising a family but it is and it wasn't my decision, but i do have to deal with it
01:53 Inocudom Money is a very powerful tool of slavery.
01:53 Inocudom Unless, of course, you are rich.
01:54 Peacock it's a means of exchange, people enslave themselves by getting into agreements/contracts they don't fully understand
01:54 Inocudom Or unless you are self sufficient.
01:54 SirDigby Do Russians even get dui's?
01:55 Peacock look at how bad people are with debt, did anyone force them to max out their credit cards or take a second mortgage on their home?
01:55 Inocudom I would never trust a credit card, nor would I gamble.
01:55 Inocudom I would avoid loaning from banks too.
01:56 Peacock in the 90's reverse mortgage were a big thing, in the 2000's they called them home equity loans... basically convincing seniors to borrow against their house so that when they die the bank gets it instead of their kids
01:56 Peacock but boomers are somewhat like that, they're the first Me generation and they have the gaul to say that their own kids are entitled lol
01:57 Peacock (where do you think they learned it from?)
01:58 Inocudom Narcissism is not the kind of thing you want to have as a common trait.
01:59 Peacock what's more frustrating is we're going to be paying higher taxes on lower salaries than they enjoyed, everything costs more and we're getting fewer gov't services, but they don't want us to touch their govt pensions lol
02:00 Peacock which we could barely afford before they voted themselves a bunch of tax cuts in the 80s and 90s
02:00 Inocudom The economic bubble has popped.
02:01 Peacock naw, our grandparents built the social welfare state, thats what gave the boomers their sense of entitlement, and as the economy got progressively worse they made sure to cover just their own asses :P
02:02 MichaelRpdx um /giveme Wooden Planks - cannot give empty item  :: What should I be saying?
02:02 Inocudom Since you are interested in science fiction, you might find the shows Lost and Fringe to be interesting. They were made by Bad Robot.
02:03 Peacock instead of modernizing our industry, we switched to services and financial trickery
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02:03 Peacock not a fan of Lost
02:03 Peacock Fringe was good but no X-Files
02:04 Inocudom I don't know node names too well. Couldn't you just use the creative inventory?
02:04 Peacock theres Defiance, Falling Skies and Resurrection due to start soon :-)
02:04 Peacock michael use /giveme wood
02:04 MichaelRpdx creative inventory?
02:05 Inocudom It appears in creative mode. Of course, unified_inventory by RealBadAngel is useful too.
02:05 Peacock useful but ever slower with large inventories :/
02:05 MichaelRpdx That works
02:05 MichaelRpdx Thanks
02:05 Peacock unless you have preload on, which my p4's newer gfx card still can't handle
02:06 Inocudom I take it you have a very powerful graphics card?
02:06 Inocudom If so, does Minetest's framerate drop even on that card?
02:06 Peacock not on the p4, i bought it two years ago, before that it was an onboard radeon xpress 200 lol
02:09 Peacock bought the card, not the p4 lol
02:10 Inocudom But in terms of framerate, how well does Minetest do on it?
02:11 Peacock average (30)
02:11 Inocudom Even if there are tons of nodeboxes in the view?
02:11 Peacock nodeboxes and texture alpha tend to kill fps further
02:11 Peacock though we use less of them in large quantities (full node floors these days)
02:12 Inocudom Yes, they do. Even if Freeminer's vbo feature is used, it does not solve the issues with those.
02:13 Peacock i dont even use any of those fancy filters/shaders
02:15 Inocudom Did you know that Minetest Classic found a way to have smooth lighting on nodeboxes?
02:15 Peacock yeah ive been bugging this project on when they'd implement it lol
02:15 Peacock i somewhat get the impression they resent having to port anything from any of it's forks lol
02:16 Inocudom Freeminer might be more likely to import it.
02:16 Peacock (because, after all, they were wrong to fork in the first place and they're bound to fail, as most people seem to think)
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02:17 Peacock freeminer seems interesting in terms of features and speed but i also hear they wanna go full-blown GPL and i couldn't support such a thing
02:29 Inocudom How would that be a problem?
02:29 Peacock ideological differences over the definition of freedom :p
02:30 Peacock if RMS were to pass away, i ... "wouldn't be glad he's dead, but i'd be glad he's gone" :P
02:33 Inocudom https://forum.minetest.net/profile.php?id=1751 LandMine posted pictures of the destruction he caused. He claims it can't be rolled back either.
02:34 Peacock that usually works by piling on multiple griefs with different names
02:34 Inocudom https://forum.minetest.net/vie​wtopic.php?pid=129576#p129576 His pictures are here.
02:35 Inocudom Of course, for one reason or another, those buildings were not protected.
02:36 Peacock ah well, ive stated the solution several times, user credentials with karma points
02:36 Peacock if people would rather waste their time introducing several different protection schemes to turn their servers into the fourth reich, thats their business lol i've gone whitelist
02:37 Inocudom The concern however is some hacker being able to find a way to destroy even the protected stuff.
02:37 Peacock i doubt that would happen, someone with that much skill could get more attention actually coding shit for the engine
02:38 Inocudom That is why it is very important to protect buildings.
02:38 us|0gb That sounds like it would have the same issue as Apache Open Office and LibreOffice. LibreOffice can use Apache Open Office's code, but not vice versa, due to the licensing issues.
02:38 Peacock well even protection cant prevent people from digging shit and passing through it quickly before it reappears, making any type of puzzle map totally useless
02:39 Inocudom Though I fear that LandMine could be such a hacker.
02:39 Peacock naw, he's just one of a great many pain-in-the-ass players lol
02:40 Peacock i've even been disappointed with legitimate builders lately, they constantly ask you to install all the mods the other servers are running (making the experience just as bland) or they record your entire map without asking you if it's okay
02:40 NakedFury cant there be a protection type that simply removes interact from players if they cross a zone? so you zone areas and not include players, when they enter the area they lose interact
02:41 NakedFury easier that checking if the player could touch or not some block
02:41 Peacock well you could grant and remove privileges based on location, but that would require globalstep to do it
02:46 Peacock the smart move would probably be to change the engine to be able to define new interacts for specific areas
02:46 Inocudom That would be an effective thing to do.
02:47 Peacock yeah but i gave up trying to convince the devs of anything a long time ago, i just throw ideas out there on a take-it-or-leave-it basis lol
02:47 Peacock let others politick for it
02:52 Inocudom Do you watch oOChainLynxOo's videos, Peacock?
02:53 Peacock ive seen a few
02:54 Inocudom He still does videos for Minetest. He even recorded a few of my creations.
02:56 Peacock it wouldn't hurt to have more ppl like him lol
02:57 Peacock i sometimes get the impression minetest (the community) is stagnating, we have more devs/moderators, but the forums and the chat seem less lively than years past
02:59 Inocudom They are stagnating. That is a fact.
03:00 Peacock for a while people said "there'll be more mods when 048 comes out" then it was "corernote's back, he'll write plenty of mods" but the only modder i follow with much interest is paramat cuz i can't think of anyone else writing anything
03:01 Peacock the forums themselves, well I used to check in when i woke, there'd be 2-3 pages of updated topics... now it's half a page lol
03:01 Peacock *woke up
03:01 Peacock the API could use a feature or two that enables the creation of dozens of new mods
03:04 RealBadAngel why do you think that folks are not writing anything?
03:05 RealBadAngel you shall notice that we do already have mods that were easy to write
03:05 Peacock some people say everything worth inventing has been done, i don't personally believe that
03:05 RealBadAngel now to make something interesting and worth releasing just takes lotsa time
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03:05 Peacock lots of time implies it's a more complicated version of some pre-existing concept
03:06 RealBadAngel not really
03:06 RealBadAngel check out for example new UI feature
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03:06 RealBadAngel https://github.com/minetest-techni​c/unified_inventory/tree/waypoints
03:07 Peacock well for starters the reason people dont create anything truly new is because with our archaic licensing rules those features can be quickly absorbed by the old mods
03:07 Peacock secondly, we need something new in the API as epic as nodeboxes were when they were introduced
03:07 RealBadAngel you do have skyboxes for example
03:07 RealBadAngel dont you think its worth a mod?
03:08 Peacock yeah and im already thinking of ways of incorporating that into a earth/moon type map
03:08 RealBadAngel its quite easy to code, takes 10 lines or something like that
03:08 Peacock but when you look at nodeboxes... how many different furniture and door and stair type mods did that spawn? a lot :-)
03:08 Inocudom Yes, like mob support. I would love to see this cute little creature in Minetest: http://youtu.be/Zcrbu8uZXuw
03:09 Peacock well mob support might as well involve an overhaul of entities
03:10 Peacock or some feature specifically targeted at creating mobs
03:10 RealBadAngel https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_UO_8U39qIM
03:11 RealBadAngel https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZD3O6FFKowI
03:11 Peacock since when do skyboxes move?
03:11 RealBadAngel hehe
03:11 Peacock in any case, it only takes one person to come up with a unifiedskies mod with all the options and thats about the only mod that will be maintained
03:11 RealBadAngel since i added ONE line to core ;)
03:12 RealBadAngel i have to push that with lua interface to it
03:13 Inocudom I approve of the addition of skyboxes.
03:13 Peacock something else i think would be cool is dynamic node properties, where the nodedef of a specific node can be changed
03:13 RealBadAngel you can define a speed vector for rotation of a skybox, and the core will just keep it rotating
03:13 Inocudom Yes, I can see that as being a very useful feature.
03:14 RealBadAngel this is started by c55 and now developed by nore
03:14 Peacock i remember :P
03:15 Peacock i first complained about the static sky when c55 talked about using the engine to create space games, and i pointed out you can't do that with a standard sky, sun and moon :P
03:15 RealBadAngel also there are a few quite interesting thing happening in the core
03:15 RealBadAngel built in circuits simulator
03:15 Inocudom http://youtu.be/fjH54TvFtek You forgot this video.
03:15 RealBadAngel built in minimap
03:15 Inocudom Circuits I did see in Freeminer.
03:15 Peacock well, circuity is nothing new, they're simply shifting the heavy lifting of mesecons from lua to core
03:16 RealBadAngel no, its tottally different
03:16 Inocudom I also saw the minimap feature (could use colors.txt to show nodes.)
03:16 Peacock hows it different from mesecons? and what else can it be used for? (apart from pipes and tubes)
03:17 RealBadAngel technic wireing for example
03:17 RealBadAngel all the mods that uses wires and any kind of circuit
03:17 Inocudom So, there will be an api of sorts specifically for things like mesecons and technic? That is very significant news.
03:18 RealBadAngel ah, and shaders will have also the new features
03:19 RealBadAngel as in the last video ;)
03:21 Peacock this circuity stuff is still a continuation of an existing idea/feature
03:22 Peacock its going to help established mods, but i dont see how it will lead to many new ones
03:23 RealBadAngel im still waiting for a mod like thaumcraft
03:24 RealBadAngel but not as previous attempt
03:25 Peacock well, that's still reproducing existing ideas :P except its an idea from MC instead :P
03:26 RealBadAngel its really hard to invent something nowadays
03:26 RealBadAngel most of the time we are redoing things
03:27 RealBadAngel but still, in our sandbox
03:28 Peacock well people like me have plenty of ideas :P but there's no point in sharing them if legacy mods can copy all of it and never be supplanted
03:29 Peacock except when people like me stop sharing things, then the legacy mods stagnate too
03:29 Peacock so you're best bet at this point is some revolutionary new API feature
03:30 Peacock looking at the thaumcraft youtube vid, i like the fullscreen inventory/menu, but we're still stuck with the chat on top :/
03:32 Peacock hm, i can't begin to guess how you could implement the thaumometer in MT
03:33 us|0gb That chat is a pain when .... Actually, I forget when. But the chat covers something making it unclicable even when you can still see it. The inventory, maybe?
03:33 Peacock any formspec big enough
03:33 * us|0gb hasn't played for a while
03:34 Peacock though ive said this in the past, chat should be part of HUD, so we can create custom chat terminals
03:35 Peacock i'd put mine at the bottom center, and move the hotbar on the left side, aligned vertically
03:44 Peacock this guy could use some mod installation help (im not used to the configure/enable thing): https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=8558
03:55 Inocudom http://www.flickr.com/photos/cs​lingerlanddrummer93/3667212048/ No one has ever done such with Techic yet.
03:56 Inocudom There is probably enough electricity in those wires to kill a dinosaur.
03:56 VanessaE heh
03:56 VanessaE problem is, you can't run technic power very far
03:56 VanessaE you run into map load limits
03:56 VanessaE (e.g. active block range)
03:57 Inocudom That is a problem.
03:57 Peacock hmmm would probably be horrified, but you could use vmanip if your circuits use on/off nodes :P
04:00 RealBadAngel Peacock, thats actually good idea, i will code that
04:01 RealBadAngel i mean chat element for hud
04:01 Peacock though so, even i wouldn't use vmanip for circuits :p
04:03 Peacock make sure though that you can define the font size and # of lines :P :-)
04:07 Inocudom That is a good thing to work on, RealBadAngel. There is a mod that does something like that: https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=8509
04:09 Inocudom Having it as part of the base game is a good idea.
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04:11 Inocudom Welcome cisoun. Minimaps, new shader features, and skyboxes are in the future of Minetest.
04:11 RealBadAngel thats slightly different
04:12 RealBadAngel i would rather see that as detacheable terminal window
04:12 RealBadAngel so it could be used for computer terminals or whatever
04:17 Peacock for computer terminals/signs, id suggest some facility to impose text on textures, much like how ^ combination works
04:17 Peacock except the text part would be dynamic, but ultimately superimposed on the texture
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04:20 MinerOfLands_ Good night peeps
04:20 Peacock night
04:20 MinerOfLands_ how are you sexy people doing
04:20 Peacock im too sexy for my shirt, obviously
04:20 MinerOfLands_ seems legit hehe
04:21 ShadowNinja Hello.
04:21 MinerOfLands_ i wish i could say the same
04:21 MinerOfLands_ hey shadow
04:21 Peacock http://youtu.be/39YUXIKrOFk
04:21 MinerOfLands_ well i should have seen that comming hehe
04:21 MinerOfLands_ :3
04:22 MinerOfLands_ So whats the discussion for today?
04:22 Peacock ugh, i keep coughing up hairballs :/ doesn't help that when i snore, the cat sticks her paw down my throat to silence me
04:22 MinerOfLands_ lol what?
04:23 Peacock strange kitty :p
04:23 MinerOfLands_ hahah your a cat person? i have 2 dogs hehe
04:23 Peacock we gave her a catnip ball, she keeps trying to bury it in the hardwood floor for later use :/
04:23 Peacock she also thinks my wife is a cat, she keeps cleaning her hair while she sleeps :/
04:24 Inocudom Would you keep this as a pet? http://youtu.be/Zcrbu8uZXuw
04:24 Peacock ugh, irritating music in video lol
04:25 MinerOfLands_ where is all the rest of the peeps?!
04:25 Inocudom The song does not last long.
04:25 MinerOfLands_ no one is ever here to annouce my future return gosh!
04:25 VanessaE they're hiding.
04:26 * Peacock sets ban on #@$.%@@$.*%&.@$
04:26 Peacock top that :p
04:27 ShadowNinja I think Charydbis would reject that.
04:27 ShadowNinja Not sure about if it was sent over a s2s link though.
04:28 Inocudom http://youtu.be/yOtxaicqK0w
04:30 Peacock who you tryin' to ban?
04:30 Peacock cuz i dont see anyone leaving lol
04:30 Inocudom ShadowNinja, were you able to fix the griefs on your server?
04:31 ShadowNinja Inocudom: Yep, rollback got most of it, and I conveniently had WEs for the rest.
04:31 Peacock wait are you banning that landmine fellow?
04:32 Inocudom Good. Those buildings at spawn need to be protected, but how to tell who built them?
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04:32 LandMine_mt man
04:32 Peacock woman
04:32 LandMine_mt whats wrong with you
04:32 LandMine_mt ? heheh
04:34 Peacock when do i get to ban people who grief on my servers? :P
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04:35 ShadowNinja Peacock: Is anyone here who has?
04:35 Inocudom Good, he's gone.
04:35 Peacock well i have my suspicions, but suspicions aren't enough for a conviction
04:35 ShadowNinja Peacock: And he's known for flooding, not just greifing.
04:36 Peacock though i know for a fact through my logs, that some *respected* community members signed onto my server with different names lol
04:36 Inocudom That is one member we are better off without.
04:36 Peacock ah well, what can you do? the freenode webchat can be accessed through any proxy
04:37 Inocudom That LandMine.
04:38 Peacock make people sign on to servers with their forum credentials :P
04:38 Peacock and give em karma points the same way github and ohloh measure contribs
04:40 Peacock i think its funny how the cat hides her face in my arm as if i can't see her lol then i say "where's <catname>" and she pops her head out and purrs louder lol
04:44 Inocudom Bye.
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04:46 LarryCable just stop it your embarrasing your self shadow you know banning me wont stop me heheh i have a good vpn which just allows me to come back on....i know you are mad but just grow up its just a game
04:47 ShadowNinja Mad?  :-)
04:47 LandMine_Owns yeah
04:47 LandMine_Owns you are acting like a child
04:47 LandMine_Owns put on your big boy pants and let me hang with the crew
04:48 Peacock it does kinda seem like butthurt when someone gets banned from the chat for griefing a private server :p
04:48 ShadowNinja Greifing and flooding isn't exactly thought of as adult.  ;-)
04:50 Peacock well thank god for geoip, because i managed to match a few respected members to random troublemakers on my server :p
04:50 ShadowNinja Peacock: Well, that may have influenced my decision, but as I already said, he's been banned before for other reasons and is ban evading, which is itself grounds for a ban.
04:51 ShadowNinja Eg, he found that he could get around some bans by using kiwiirc, which dpesn't have CGI:IRC, yet...
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04:51 Peacock hell even xchat has proxy support
04:52 ShadowNinja Peacock: Those proxies are detected by BOPM I guess, and that means a global K:Line.
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04:53 Peacock didn't take long to find this on google: http://irc-proxies.blogspot.ca/
04:55 ShadowNinja He's harassing me in PM now.
04:55 ShadowNinja (UMode +R for the first time in about a year)
04:56 Peacock ah well ignore comes in handy for that :P
04:57 Peacock though you probably know this already, the average troll's goal is for you to spend time/energy on them, so they'll keep doing whatever gets a rise out of you to those ends
04:57 ShadowNinja Peacock: Setting +R is pretty effortless, and although he has an account, there's +g for that.
04:58 ShadowNinja Physical ignore works too.  ;-P
04:59 Peacock im not terribly familiar with IRC kung-fu, the last time IRC was popular in my country, Clinton was getting "not sexual relations" in the white house :P
04:59 ShadowNinja g=callerid, you need to be /accept'ed.
04:59 ShadowNinja R=registered only.
04:59 Peacock ah, makes sense :-)
05:00 Peacock you know back then, IRC script kiddies was a "thing" lol
05:00 ShadowNinja o = oper, person that /kills and/or /klines him.  ;-)
05:01 Peacock kline? isn't that german for small?
05:01 VanessaE well one DOES want to make him feel exceedingly small :P
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05:01 Peacock lol true
05:02 Peacock but somehow i doubt he'll give up, trolls are as old as the internet itself lol
05:02 ShadowNinja K: line, as in a server or network ban.  Named after the single-character line name that it used in the conf file of the original IRCd.
05:03 ShadowNinja You'd have "K:*@123.45.67.89:Because reason" in the conf file.
05:03 ShadowNinja And a o: (or O:) line would be a local/global network operator.
05:03 Peacock dunno, IP bans seem so inefficient, its not the hardest thing to change
05:04 ShadowNinja CIDR bans.  :-)
05:04 Peacock hell even MAC adresses can be changed easily in linux
05:04 ShadowNinja (123.456.0.0/16, etc)
05:05 Peacock well that's IP-range banning :P
05:05 ShadowNinja There are also Z/D lines, which are evrn faster, so fast that the Z stands for 'zap'.  :-)
05:05 Peacock when i proposed that for MT, i was shot down because it seemed unethical :P
05:06 Peacock though with bots and proxies in MT these days, theres not much you can do to keep anyone off
05:07 ShadowNinja IRC networks use BOPM, or similar proxy detectors.
05:08 ShadowNinja Seems they missed a few or ignore WEBIRC though.
05:08 Peacock IRC yeah, server admins have nothing though to deal with people who seem to live in twelve different countries :P
05:09 us|0gb Oh wow. That is easy to change your MAC address. Maybe I should do it, just to choose an address I like better.
05:09 ShadowNinja You could write a mod with luasocket and the async API, or external calls.
05:10 Peacock well i simply use geoip to ban people who seem to come from a whole bunch of different places, nonetheless, people are connecting to servers via proxies... so this griefing thing is not about to go away
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05:48 hoodedice Sup peeps
05:50 hmmmm http://adage.com/article/special-report-iab-an​nual-meeting/mozilla-sell-ads-firefox/291641/
05:50 hmmmm nice, another browser bites the dust
05:51 hmmmm somebody should just fork firefox 26.0 and do nothing but performance optimizations and bugfixes.
05:51 Peacock http://youtu.be/rY0WxgSXdEE
05:52 Peacock who still uses firefox? it used to be light and nimble, then it got fat, and chrome was the new champion in that category
05:53 hoodedice ...I do
05:53 Peacock back then, when a single tab crashed in FF, the whole browser crashed, not so in chrome
05:53 hoodedice Instead of IE. IE is better on Windows 8.1
05:54 hoodedice But I use Aurora for supporting FOSS
05:54 Peacock it must be FOSS, because i have no clue what Aurora is XD
05:54 us|0gb That's sad about Firefox. It's what my mother switched to after Internet Explorer gave out on her. I'll probably have to find her a new browser soon then.
05:55 hoodedice "There's no nuclear winter coming"
05:55 hoodedice *In the middle of a polar vortex* Ah the irony
05:55 hoodedice Aurora is Firefox nightly
05:55 Peacock dont forget under certain distros it's called icebeaver or some other shit lol
05:56 hoodedice Has a windows 8 mode, where the browser runs in full screen with gesture suppost and stuff
05:56 Peacock did F11 stop working? :P
05:56 Peacock compiz has gestures, now its dead lol
05:56 Peacock *had
05:57 hoodedice *gesture support*
05:57 hoodedice That version is optimized for touch
05:57 hoodedice Seriously speaking, though, IE 11 is best for windows 8.1 No kidding
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05:57 Peacock well i dont give a shit about touch, its good for tablets/phones, but i fucking hate finger smudged on PC screens lol
05:58 hoodedice I hate it too, cleaned it today =/
05:58 hoodedice Have t get some sort of cover for this, and it WILL be expensive
05:58 hoodedice Anyway, how is this game engine? http://www.gritengine.com/
05:58 Peacock simpler solution would be to get a non-touch screen lol
05:58 hoodedice I think it's in dev limbo
05:59 hoodedice Peacock: -.-
05:59 hoodedice Once I got used to it, I was like, WHAT WAS I DOING WITH A MOUSE?
05:59 hoodedice jk, I still use the mouse
06:00 Peacock wait till you try to do precision stuff in GIMP/blender lol
06:00 hoodedice I use a mouse for that
06:00 Peacock besides, with a touch screen you have to make sure all your guests wash their hands after going to the W/C, otherwise you're constantly cleaning your screen
06:00 hoodedice *touchpad. Haven't bought a mouse yet
06:01 hoodedice No one uses my laptop lol. And we don't have guests around here
06:01 Peacock well i do, and even without touch screens dumb people stick their fingers on my screen
06:01 hoodedice And if they're family, they are required by religion to wash their hands after the loo XD
06:02 Peacock "that!" ... "ok but do you need to smudge my mother**cking screen?" lol
06:02 Peacock well it seems religion comes in handy for some things
06:02 Peacock now if only there was a religion that forces men with bad aim to sit on the damn toilet lol
06:03 hoodedice Well...
06:03 hoodedice ...religion in question has that rule too...
06:03 Peacock lol nice
06:03 Peacock ever seen a bar bathroom? more piss on the floor than in the bowl lol
06:04 hoodedice Never been to a bar - I've heard enough
06:04 hoodedice Well, what can you say after Juicetin Beaver pissed in a mopping bucket?
06:04 Peacock well he's a douche
06:04 hoodedice You must be pretty ashamed he's Canadian
06:05 Peacock though, looking at a pic of him and his father, it's easy to see where he gets it from
06:05 hoodedice lol
06:05 * ShadowNinja thinks this conversation is straying a bit far...
06:05 Peacock oh please, are americans ashamed of lindsey lohan, britney spears or woody allen being americans? :P
06:06 hoodedice ShadowNinja: http://www.gritengine.com/
06:06 Peacock the only difference is they can deport bieber, and i wouldn't blame them if they did lol
06:06 hoodedice Peacock: http://www.cnn.com/2014/02/05/showb​iz/justin-bieber-marijuana-flight/
06:06 ShadowNinja hoodedice: Saw.
06:06 hoodedice Didn't hear that lol
06:07 hoodedice What do you think Shadow? Is it a good engine?
06:07 Peacock so long as they keep celine dion, we can't stand her in Quebec lol
06:08 Peacock mmm, bansalad
06:08 ShadowNinja hoodedice: Well, seems dead...
06:09 hoodedice Sup with the bans?
06:09 Peacock bansalad: that's walnuts, apples, celery and grapes, in a mayonnaise sauce
06:09 hoodedice Also, thought so =/
06:09 Peacock all washed down with the hot lashings of screwdriver </fawlty towers>
06:10 ShadowNinja hoodedice: Removing old ineffective bans against LM.
06:11 hoodedice LM?
06:11 Peacock LoungeMaster
06:11 Peacock like a dungeonmaster but more laid-back
06:11 ShadowNinja hoodedice: LandMine.  Seems he's back, and he's rather unsavory.
06:12 hoodedice I thought he turned a leaf?
06:12 Peacock well he does come in chicken and tuna flavours now
06:12 ShadowNinja Actually EVERY ban on this channel is against him.
06:12 Peacock lol
06:12 hoodedice Wow.
06:12 Peacock why not ban all of mexico?
06:12 ShadowNinja hoodedice: Apparently not, greifed my server today.
06:13 hoodedice He had his own server a while back, and then he was also into modding or something...?
06:13 hoodedice Don't believe this lol
06:13 Peacock last time i ran a server MXs were almost as bad as BRs lol
06:14 Peacock which somewhat explains the state of the countries in which they live lol
06:14 ShadowNinja Yep, he made a creative server, which OldCoder now hosts.  Also became famous for greifing, kiling players, trolling, and flooding.
06:15 ShadowNinja Anyway, G'night.
06:15 Peacock night
06:16 hoodedice night
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06:59 reactor ...why did someone say that using Buildcraft to connect to Minetest servers is illegal?
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07:00 ruskie because they don't understand what they are saying?
07:00 reactor Aha.
07:03 reactor ...people are so lame they don't bother changing the default nick.
07:04 reactor I think a better practice would be not giving the player a default name, but refusing to connect to anywhere, before they set it.
07:04 reactor s/before/until/
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07:18 reactor ...I hope, no_guest is case-insensitive?
07:18 reactor I've for a proposal.
07:18 reactor "co-owner", "owner" etc.
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07:18 reactor Because those are misleading, too.
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07:52 john_minetest Hello everypony
07:52 john_minetest hey Реактор
07:52 reactor Hello everyfurry.
07:53 reactor How's the science?
07:53 john_minetest There is science to be done on the people who are
07:53 john_minetest STILL ALIVE! :D
07:53 reactor *slow clap*
07:53 reactor You're not alive, however.
08:02 john_minetest I am
08:02 john_minetest Still alive
08:04 reactor So you say.
08:04 reactor Watching pony stuff all day is not being alive.
08:09 reactor ...hmm. Is there a way to auto-add ores and such at random?
08:10 reactor As in, randomly replace dirt/stone?
08:23 john_minetest reactor: Being alive is bond to several criteria, none of those involving watching pony stuff.
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08:24 reactor Being alive involves doing something.
08:24 reactor Meaningful.
08:25 reactor Meaningful doesn't include _claiming_ to be alive while actually not.
08:56 RealBadAngel https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=​ueQg18t1qyE&amp;feature=youtu.be
08:56 RealBadAngel ^^ improved parallax mapping
09:05 john_minetest reactor: Does an amoeba do something "meaningful"?
09:06 reactor ...still looks out of place, RealBadAngel
09:06 reactor Or may it be cause those rocks are too shiny.
09:06 RealBadAngel thats a sample texture
09:07 reactor john_minetest: experiment with it eh.
09:07 RealBadAngel i dont have at the time anything better
09:07 reactor I don't know.
09:08 john_minetest reactor: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Life#Definitions
09:10 reactor Well, amoeba doesn't sit there arguing with people over meaningless matters.
09:10 reactor Amoeba has other things to do.
09:10 reactor So it's pretty meaningful.
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09:37 Megaf Hi
09:37 reactor Elo.
09:38 john_minetest reactor: Why are you hating against bronies so much?
09:40 reactor I'm not hating against anything.
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09:40 reactor That's merely how I'm messing with you.
09:44 reactor Being defensive about ponies does tell something, though.
09:46 john_minetest My policy is: I don't hate against any group, person or community without reason and I accept them as long as they don't hurt my rights or the rights of others.
09:46 john_minetest And bronies hardly hurt any rights.
09:47 reactor You hurt eveyone's rights by calling them ponies.
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09:54 john_minetest reactor: I am greeting all the ponies in the channel.
09:55 john_minetest When you say "Hello john_minetest" you don't call everybody john_minetests.
09:55 john_minetest <reactor> Hello everyfurry. -> And it seems you called everybody a furry after your definition.
09:55 reactor Oh. That might be the reason no one else greets you. Because you greet only me separately.
09:56 reactor ...does that really express any hate towards furries?
09:56 paramat the floatin' dev mod https://github.com/paramat/floatindev
09:56 john_minetest reactor: "<reactor> You hurt eveyone's rights by calling them ponies."
09:57 john_minetest But you don't hurt any feelings by calling them furries then?
09:57 john_minetest Your arguments are weak.
09:57 reactor I didn't call "everyone" a "furry".
09:57 reactor I called you a furry.
09:57 john_minetest You said "everyfurry"
09:57 john_minetest I said "everypony"
09:58 reactor Yes. Implying you're the only one into ponies/furries/etc here.
09:59 reactor paramat: that's a map generator?
10:03 john_minetest reactor: I never said that I was into ponies or furries.
10:03 john_minetest I said that I tolerate people liking this.
10:03 john_minetest Since they don't hurt my or other's rights.
10:05 reactor ...I understand. Please go on.
10:05 Megaf Shout arrow support be implemented? https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=8552
10:05 paramat yeah, its the voxelmanip mod copy of indev floatlands
10:06 reactor shouting arrows?
10:06 paramat LOL
10:06 reactor Megaf: that would be cool, actually.
10:06 reactor Because mouse sucks.
10:06 reactor For games not so much, but still.
10:07 john_minetest Megaf: Those xmonad users...
10:07 john_minetest ;D
10:07 john_minetest Now they don't need a mouse anymore.
10:07 john_minetest (Actually I am using i3 and rarely using the mouse :D )
10:09 reactor ...if not for Xombrero's lame way of numbering links, I would be using no mouse for browsing. Oh, and GTK is outright shit for not pasting primary selection on shift-insert or control-v.
10:10 reactor They will do any sort of useless improvements like new controls or themes, but not address the fucking annoying issue!
10:12 paramat yes i like the arrow key support, excellent idea! mouse is damaging to the body for many people, terrible design, i use a trackball
10:13 reactor paramat++
10:13 john_minetest Trackballs are cool.
10:13 reactor Mouse is causing asymmetrical posture.
10:14 john_minetest Pointing sticks are cool.
10:14 john_minetest aka TrackPoint
10:14 paramat but i want shout arrows too
10:15 john_minetest ←↓→   !!!11!!oneeleven
10:15 john_minetest Like that?
10:17 reactor одиннадцать
10:17 reactor !сто одиннадцать миллионов сто одиннадцать тысяч сто одиннадцать, beat that
10:18 paramat lol thanks i am now satisfied
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10:26 john_minetest reactor: Riesenradachenhalteschraubenrostentfernerregalh​olzbaumwachhundleinendurchschneidescherenlagerr​oboterenergieversorgungsdrehreglerplastikgusshe​izdrahtstromversorgungsleitungsisolationserneue​rungsbehördenparkplatzschilderdiebfangdetekteib​aumhaustelefonplatinenätzmittelbehälterherstell​erlogodesignbürolampenstromerzeugungsstaudammpu​mpenbedienerhelmlampengaswerkchefkonferenzzeitp​lanerstellungscomputerkabeldurchbeißmarde
10:26 john_minetest rabschreckungsmaßnahmenleiterabzeichenauf​nähmaschinenölbohrplatformgeländersicheru​ngsträgergussfabrikbeschützereinheitflugz​eugträgerflugzeugrückspielreinigungsspray ist aus.
10:26 john_minetest THIS IS ONE WORD!
10:26 john_minetest And I won't translate it.
10:27 reactor I meant to say "11111".
10:27 reactor Not a random long word.
10:27 reactor Bloody pwned, you.
10:28 john_minetest "Fünffacheins" is the german word for "11111"
10:28 reactor Рьью
10:28 reactor Hmm.
10:29 reactor PostgreSQL backend, anyone?
10:29 john_minetest Well, for the actual number "11111" it is "Elftausendeinhundertundelf"
10:30 john_minetest "Fünffacheins" means "Five ones" while "Elftausendeinhundertundelf" means the actual number "11111"
10:30 reactor It's still not a solid number.
10:31 john_minetest 8,908,945 is "Achtmillionenneunhundertundachtta​usendneunhundertundfünfundvierzig"
10:31 john_minetest Long words... One of the coolest thing in the german language.
10:32 reactor Wait.
10:32 reactor Don't they use spaces?
10:34 john_minetest Because it is cool to have long words.
10:34 reactor And put it backwards like 945 is "funf und vierzig und neun Hundert"
10:34 john_minetest This word is actually used in german law : "Rindfleischetikettierungsüberwac​hungsaufgabenübertragungsgesetz"
10:35 john_minetest "neun hundert und fünf und vierzig", when you would put spaces in
10:35 reactor So, everything in left to right order beside tens?
10:36 john_minetest yes. https://suite101.com/a/how-to​-spell-german-numbers-a143567
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10:53 tomreyn hi
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10:54 tomreyn i'm just running minetest for the first time (built it locally)
10:55 tomreyn therE's no music on the main menu, is this correct?
10:55 tomreyn (nor any sounds at all)
10:56 john_minetest tomreyn: Linux or windows?
10:57 tomreyn linux, ubuntu 13.10 x86_64
10:57 john_minetest It might be that openAL is missing.
10:57 tomreyn does that make a difference on whether or not there should be sounds and music?
10:57 tomreyn i mean whether it's linux or windows
10:58 tomreyn i have openal headers installed
10:58 tomreyn -- Found OpenAL: /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libopenal.so
10:58 tomreyn ^ cmake
10:58 john_minetest Hmmm...
10:58 tomreyn -- Sound enabled
10:59 tomreyn so normally there would eb sounds? or music?
11:00 john_minetest Did you turn the volume up?
11:00 tomreyn i assume you do not plan to answer my question. :)
11:02 john_minetest Normally you hear step sounds
11:02 tomreyn on the main menu?
11:02 tomreyn like when you click on something?
11:03 john_minetest No.
11:03 john_minetest Step sounds when you walk around.
11:03 tomreyn i can walk around on the main menu?
11:04 tomreyn you're probably referring to in-game sounds
11:05 paramat screenshots of floatindev mod http://i.imgur.com/nD9XzMl.png http://i.imgur.com/XayEEih.png
11:08 john_minetest tomreyn: Do you mean no sounds in the whole game or no sounds in the main menu?
11:08 john_minetest The main menu doesn't have any sound. In the game you got sound. But no music anywhere (except you use mods).
11:08 tomreyn <tomreyn> therE's no music on the main menu, is this correct?
11:08 tomreyn i mean the main menu
11:08 tomreyn thanks.
11:09 tomreyn and yes i just started a game, and there are several sound in-game
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11:59 PilzAdam Hello everyone!
11:59 john_minetest Hey PilzAdam
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12:26 Leoneof why i'm here
12:28 john_minetest why not?
12:29 Leoneof i will run minetest, are you there? :)
12:29 Leoneof which server
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12:37 paramat floatindev mod released https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=8560
12:41 Leoneof paramat: nice, but the sky is not good :\
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12:59 Hirato terraria has p. cool floating islands
13:05 * sfan5 puts a kitten on Hirato's head
13:05 sfan5 hi everyone
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13:05 Hirato but WHO in the channel is the kitten! :o
13:06 john_minetest "I'll throw the ball in there... Or wait, it is my ball. I will never let it go." http://i.imgur.com/PAdue.gif
13:06 Hirato that's p. fatist and ableist of you john_minetest ;)
13:08 john_minetest :P
13:21 reactor Eh?
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14:51 rubenwardy Hi all
14:54 john_minetest Hi rubenwardy
15:00 Megaf Hi rubenwardy
15:03 reactor Hi rubber ward.
15:03 rubenwardy :P
15:08 rubenwardy Properties side bar finished: https://github.com/rubenwardy/NodeBoxEditor
15:08 rubenwardy Now fixing FPS before releasing 0.6.2
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15:21 * rubenwardy just ran his first successful git command!
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16:46 rubenwardy Yay! I did something in git without breaking my remote repo!
16:47 whiskers75 rubenwardy: Learning git ftw
16:47 reactor ...is there a manual for it?
16:47 reactor I mean, a properly written manual, like The NetBSD Guide.
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16:53 john_minetest lolwut: http://www.youtube.com/watch?​v=9xi4O4RvlnQ&amp;feature=kp
17:03 john_minetest http://i.imgur.com/kjHVBCh.jpg
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17:13 sfan5 john_minetest: http://i.imgur.com/w9c7A6x.jpg
17:14 VanessaE sfan5: did you see the rest of my comments last evening on -dev ?
17:14 sfan5 yes
17:14 john_minetest :3
17:14 sfan5 john_minetest: http://i.imgur.com/rBJgj7d.jpg
17:15 sfan5 john_minetest: http://i.imgur.com/0T8kmMz.jpg
17:16 VanessaE aww
17:16 john_minetest sfan5: http://imgur.com/gallery/vfdFU
17:16 Leoneof anyone playing minetest now? which server?
17:17 whiskers75 sfan5: aww
17:17 sfan5 Leoneof: there are 87 people playing MT right now: http://servers.minetest.net/
17:18 Leoneof sfan5: wow, it's growing :p
17:22 reactor Leoneof: ?
17:22 Leoneof reactor: ?
17:26 VanessaE yeah and only 7 of them are on my server right now :(
17:26 VanessaE (my main one anyway)
17:28 Megaf VanessaE: What mod do you use to get skins?
17:28 VanessaE Megaf: I use PilzAdam's player_textures mod on some of my servers
17:28 Leoneof VanessaE: i cannot build in your world
17:28 Megaf hm, Thanks
17:29 VanessaE (for a couple of them, no skins mod is used at all, and on one, a custom mod that only has generic male and female skins is used)
17:29 VanessaE Leoneof: which one?  I have 6.
17:29 Leoneof VanessaE: mostly-vanilla
17:30 VanessaE Leoneof: you've read the rules ?
17:30 Leoneof VanessaE: oh no, i just open and play :\
17:31 whiskers75 VanessaE: is your server patched against fastbreak?
17:33 ShadowNinja whiskers75: Minetest doesn't allow that with disable_anticheat = false
17:33 whiskers75 ShadowNinja: you sure? ;)
17:37 OldCoder anunakki, Hello
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17:37 anunakki hi OldCoder
17:37 ShadowNinja whiskers75: Yep.
17:37 anunakki how have you been?
17:37 rubenwardy Hi all
17:37 anunakki I have lots to tell you whenever you have some time
17:38 reactor fastbreak?
17:39 reactor VanessaE: I have defaults suggestion for no_guest
17:39 reactor ["[0o]wn[e3][r27]"]
17:41 VanessaE haha
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17:41 VanessaE oops
17:42 VanessaE ignore that
17:42 VanessaE I was scrolled back and responding to something else :P
17:42 VanessaE that's a good suggestion in fact
17:44 sfan5 VanessaE: how about you just input 'owner' and it automatically adds common mutations like e -> [3e] or o -> [0o] ?
17:45 john_minetest http://www.noitego.com/comic/the-russian-santa/
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17:47 MichaelRpdx whiskers75 - take your pick from Amazon
18:00 whiskers75 MichaelRpdx: ?
18:02 rubenwardy Node Box Editor 0.6.2 released! properties and FPS limitation. Changelog: https://forum.minetest.net/vie​wtopic.php?pid=129660#p129660
18:03 whiskers75 rubenwardy: wow, that's a cool tool
18:03 rubenwardy xDF
18:03 rubenwardy * xD
18:04 whiskers75 :)
18:04 rubenwardy It is currently my most successful project in c++
18:06 john_minetest sfan5: http://imgur.com/gallery/zAuxnTw
18:06 sfan5 john_minetest: waaah... scary!
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18:09 VanessaE sfan5: that's a good idea, actually.  lib_l33t.lua :)
18:09 sfan5 :D
18:11 MichaelRpdx whiskers75 - you want a git manual
18:12 whiskers75 MichaelRpdx: I'm a git expert, thank you
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18:16 rubenwardy Stronghold 2 time!
18:17 whiskers75 :P
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18:34 stormchaser3000 hi
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18:38 Megaf lol, I just realized I wrote my servers name wrong
18:39 MichaelRpdx VanessaE which one do you consider your main server?
18:40 VanessaE Michael:  the "Vanilla" one
18:40 VanessaE (30005)
18:41 VanessaE which, of late, has not been very active :(
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19:01 MinetestBot GIT: Sapier at GMX dot net commited to minetest/minetest: Fix possible missing unlock of env_lock ded5f8b1a6 2014-02-12T10:47:27-08:00 http://git.io/KSKlsQ
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21:07 john_minetest sfan5: Valid question:  http://is.not.a.hax0r.se/images/kitten.jpg
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21:09 arb Um, what language does minetest use for scripting (mods and stuff), lua?
21:09 ShadowNinja arb: Yep.
21:10 arb ShadowNinja: How easy is it to create a mod if you learn lua? Like how much time does it take on average? I know it varies with the purpose of the mod but still
21:11 Miner_48er arb what would you like your mod to do?
21:13 arb Hmm simple stuff, like maybe a new kind of tree or something, maybe even a new species (mob)
21:13 ShadowNinja arb: Lua is very easy to learn, and the API is pretty simple. You can make a basic mod in a few days from no Lua knowledge.
21:13 arb lol I have this vision of dwarves in minetest (dwarf fortress type)
21:13 arb alright
21:13 ShadowNinja (As long as you know basic programing concepts)
21:13 arb by the way, is the water still too viscous
21:13 arb i know C++
21:14 ShadowNinja You should be fine then.
21:14 arb like it takes forever to sink down to the bottom but in the real world, it happens pretty quickly (or so I think from my experiments in swimming pools)
21:14 arb It takes me about 3-5 seconds to touch the bottom of a 20 feet pool
21:14 ShadowNinja arb: Shift to swim down.  And in real life you float.  :-)
21:15 arb but in minetest, the water is far too viscous
21:15 arb um no you don't
21:15 arb lol seriously you *don't*
21:15 john_minetest arb: 20 feets are 6 meters?
21:15 arb something like that I don't know wait
21:15 arb yes
21:15 john_minetest *grml*, always those imperial unit users
21:15 john_minetest ;D
21:15 ShadowNinja arb: Well, depends on whether you exhale.  But you can lay on your back and float.
21:15 john_minetest Woah, 6 meters are tough.
21:15 arb what can I do, I'm used to them anyway
21:16 arb hmm I'll have to retry, I definitely remember floundering and sinking though
21:16 john_minetest When I just dive from the surface (without jumping), 3 meters are extreme and the pressure is very hard.
21:16 arb john_minetest: no I wasn't talking about diving, just sinking gradually
21:17 arb oh and do any of you have problems connecting to servers? My minetest installation takes forever just to connect
21:18 john_minetest arb: If you connect to servers with a lot of mods, your client has to download all the pictures etc.
21:18 arb john_minetest: no the default setup only
21:18 john_minetest And soundfiles, if there are any.
21:18 john_minetest arb: Mods are server-side.
21:18 arb although my download speed is only around 60 kbps.
21:18 arb oh okay
21:18 arb right stupid of me. Still how much time does it take for you?
21:19 arb I mean, I'm talking about a full 7 minutes or so maybe even 10 15
21:19 john_minetest I got 1,5 MB/s and it sometimes took over half an hour when connecting to real heavily modded servers for the first time.
21:19 arb alright alright wow
21:19 john_minetest Minetest is faster now. 10 minutes are seldom, it is a lot less.
21:20 arb and anyone checked out Mythruna? Man, it looks gorgeous.
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21:25 arb how do I create an adventurer experience? Please tell me the mods for it. The ones I can list off my head are - hunger, mobs (or other dangerous stuff), weapons and all
21:25 arb ideas? basically I want to explore caves and stuff with my friends and battle monsters
21:26 arb are there any servers for that?
21:27 arb I would play Don't Starve but sadly the devs said they will _never_ add multiplayer to it
21:27 Vicmoresd Well you need CaveGrower for the caves
21:28 pandaro hi all
21:28 pandaro I tried to add a feature to the player's hand.
21:28 pandaro However, I have some problem:
21:28 john_minetest arb: Mythruna has been there like forever.
21:28 pandaro if I call the function: "on_use (itemstack, user, pointed_thing)" everything works perfectly.
21:29 pandaro but if I call: "on_place (itemstack, user, pointed_thing)"
21:29 arb john_minetest: haha I just found out about it googling "minecraft alternatives"
21:29 pandaro the function on_place is not called, does not work
21:29 arb john_minetest: how does it play? The website gives me the feel that it's very very basic right now
21:30 Vicmoresd Pandaro:IDK.
21:31 john_minetest arb: I never tried it. It has been there forever but there was never really something said about it.
21:31 john_minetest Terasology (or similar) seems to be a VERY cool game.
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21:33 arb john_minetest: seeing
21:33 pandaro Vicmoresd:I want to make atrade-off system of items between players, without throwing things on the floor, or you need a chest
21:33 arb damn why are all these games made in java
21:33 pandaro * a trede-off
21:33 arb it's soooo slow even with JIT
21:35 Vicmoresd Get Shared Locked Chests. You can find it in the mod store.
21:36 sfan5 john_minetest: 404
21:37 pandaro Vicmoresd: without chest, use only your hand
21:37 john_minetest sfan5: Seems the website went down.
21:39 arb Is there a server where I can play hardcore survival? Like hunger, mobs, and all?
21:39 arb Something like Don't Starve
21:41 john_minetest There is hunger games ;)
21:42 * sfan5 took his hunger games server down
21:44 arb john_minetest: this one? https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=1812
21:44 john_minetest There are several servers.
21:45 john_minetest Look in the server list. The more players the better.
21:45 arb john_minetest: by hunger games, you mean the "all participants fight each other to the death" one?
21:45 arb I want more of a co-op exploration server
21:45 arb where I don't have to fight my friends and basically fight mobs and explore places with them
21:45 arb *but* with survival elements like hunger thirst etc.
21:46 john_minetest arb: I don't know such a server. Hunger and thirst are not really common.
21:46 arb problem is my friends don't play minecraft, they think it's boring, I'd like to introduce them to minetest and I tihnk survival would make for fun gameplay
21:46 john_minetest Only in hunger games but this is fighting.
21:46 john_minetest Just go to some populated server.
21:47 john_minetest Like VanessaE's Mostly Vanilla.
21:47 arb how do i check it's features? Like mobs and stuff
21:47 arb alright seeing
21:47 john_minetest http://servers.minetest.net/
21:47 john_minetest Here ^
21:47 arb VanessaE has a survival server too in this list
21:48 ShadowNinja Her survival server is heavily modded.
21:48 john_minetest arb: hover over the "Version, Gameid, MapGen" tab entries to see a list of mods.
21:48 arb john_minetest: yes got it, thanks!
21:48 ShadowNinja That's the main difference between it and vanila.
21:49 arb lol even mostly vanilla has about a dozen mods
21:49 ShadowNinja Mostly server management mods.
21:49 arb oh wait _35_
21:49 arb oh okay
21:50 ShadowNinja VanessaE: Wait, gloopblocks on vanilla?
21:50 john_minetest "mostly" vanilla
21:51 arb so I'm on Arch Linux which has 0.4.9-2. Do you guys play trunk here? What's the usual way here, like on ##crawl mostly they all play trunk (direct latest github repo)
21:52 john_minetest I get the latest git.
21:52 VanessaE ShadowNinja: yeah, remember the obsidian/stone issue we discussed?
21:53 arb john_minetest: so which repo do I use? I see 3 or 4. Do I use the minetest_game one?
21:53 john_minetest arb: Do it like that:
21:53 VanessaE arb:  most of the "mods" showing up in the list on vanilla are the result of modpacks like worldedit, and the components that make up minetest_game itself (which is, technically, just a collection of mods also)
21:54 arb VanessaE: okay understood.
21:54 john_minetest "git clone https://github.com/minetest/minetest && cd minetest && cmake . -DRUN_IN_PLACE=1 && make"
21:54 arb alright thanks
21:54 john_minetest and then to get the actual game
21:54 john_minetest cd games && git clone https://github.com/minetest/minetest_game
21:54 john_minetest done.
21:55 arb hmm repo is surprisingly small
21:56 arb or maybe it's just minetest, and _game will be larger
21:56 john_minetest minetest is source. minetest_game is small, too.
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21:57 ShadowNinja The game is a lot smaller.
21:58 arb is there an "official" mobs mod or just mobf?
21:59 proller bugf
22:00 * arb notes supiciously that proller rhymes with trolle
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22:02 ShadowNinja arb: That's his alternate nick.
22:02 john_minetest https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DcTxhKZERJI
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22:23 arb I am on Arch Linux. I jsut installed the "simple mobs" mod in ~/.minetest/mods/minetest/" as stated in the wiki. But it doesn't load. The mob files are in a folder called "Pilzadam..." something
22:24 PilzAdam you have to rename the mod folder to "mobs"
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22:24 arb Or rather, _how_ do I know the mod has been loaded?
22:24 arb PilzAdam: oh okay thanks
22:24 arb but in future, since it doesn't display any error messages, how do I know the mod (any mod) has been loaded or not?
22:25 arb especially if it's something that I can't immediately see (like your mobs mod)
22:25 PilzAdam it would show an error message if it would load
22:25 PilzAdam have you enabled the mod for your world?
22:25 arb yes it's global
22:25 arb I mean, I created a new world
22:26 arb Do I have to enable the mod separately for each world I create?
22:26 NekoGloop http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IFjSFfYmjbU
22:26 PilzAdam yes
22:26 arb PilzAdam: Also, please update your simple mobs README.TXT since it doesn't say anything about renaming the folder to mobs
22:26 PilzAdam its not specifc to my mod
22:27 arb hmm? So for every mod, I have to rename the folder?
22:27 PilzAdam for all mods from github, since github gives them random names
22:27 PilzAdam this should also be somewhere in the written
22:27 arb but to what? How will I know that, from forum threads?
22:28 PilzAdam yea, the forum thread topic contains the modname in []
22:28 arb alright thanks
22:29 arb wait what? In the mods tab I have "minetest" listed as a mod instead of "mobs"
22:30 arb what's the director of installing in a system-wide linux install? ~/.minetest/mods/minetest/" or just "~/.minetest/mods/" ?
22:30 arb *directory
22:30 PilzAdam ~/.minetest/mods/
22:30 PilzAdam oh, the readme is outdate
22:30 PilzAdam +d
22:31 arb yes that's what
22:31 PilzAdam http://wiki.minetest.net/Installing_Mods
22:31 PilzAdam ^ this is the correct wiki
22:31 PilzAdam the other one is outdate
22:31 PilzAdam +d
22:31 PilzAdam (I cant type "outdated" ;_;)
22:33 arb PilzAdam: so the mod depends on "fire" which is this? https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=745 though this one hasn't been updated in 2 years or so
22:33 PilzAdam no, fire is part of minetest_game
22:33 arb oh okay so just default
22:34 PilzAdam default is another mod from minetest_game
22:34 arb and when creating a world, what's the difference between the different types of mapgen? v6, v7, math and all
22:34 arb lol right, I clearly have a lot to learn :)
22:34 PilzAdam v6 is the "default" mapgen
22:35 arb and the others? Especially "math"
22:35 PilzAdam math has different settings
22:36 PilzAdam you can generate a sphere, or use some crazy fractals
22:36 john_minetest yay, my linux distro works!
22:36 john_minetest cya.
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22:38 arb PilzAdam: YES! Working, thanks
22:39 arb strange, sheep doesn't run when i hit it
22:47 arb hey there must be loads of people using mobf. It's listed as depending on factions, which is not in minetest_game (as far as I can tell). So where is it? Is it this? https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=3294
22:49 PilzAdam arb, the dependency on factions is optional
22:49 PilzAdam (according to the forum post of mobf)
22:49 PilzAdam but I guess its this one: https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=5919
22:49 arb I know, but it's recommended
22:49 PilzAdam since its from the same author
22:50 arb hmm how do you know that it's not the one i linked
22:50 arb oh okay
22:58 arb how do I access the mobf menu? I don't see it when I press "Esc"
22:58 PilzAdam its a chatcommand
22:58 PilzAdam /mobf or so
22:58 PilzAdam try /help
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23:05 arb This is strange, I enabled secondary spawning, info of mobf shows that there are 191 mobs spawned this session, yet I haven't seen a single one
23:05 arb is there any way like in PilzAdam's simple mobs, to _see_ the coordinates where the mobs are?
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