Time Nick Message 00:07 blaise I'm having an interesting error with minetest 00:07 blaise 00:07:10: ERROR[main]: ERROR: An unhandled exception occurred: ServerEnvironment::loadMeta(): EnvArgsEnd not found 00:08 blaise it's been running fine for a few weeks.. 00:08 blaise I haven't done anything to the server...... 00:08 ShadowX83 whats it doing? 00:08 blaise crashing.. 00:08 ShadowX83 did you do any window's updates? 00:09 blaise I don't run windows. 00:09 ShadowX83 lol kk any OS updates then 00:09 iqualfragile_ ShadowX83: nobody runs windows anymore, thats so 2010 00:09 blaise I should mention this is my dedicated server 00:09 ShadowX83 I still run window's 00:09 Peacock inb4 bill gates is the antichrist 00:09 blaise and no, I've not preformed any changes to the operating environment. 00:10 ShadowX83 what does the D Bug say 00:10 blaise FreeBSD 10 livedvd was released not so long ago, 00:10 ShadowX83 it should say there what is causing the crash 00:10 blaise ShadowX83: the WHAT? 00:10 iqualfragile_ blaise: obv noob is obv 00:10 iqualfragile_ ignore 00:10 blaise lmao 00:11 iqualfragile_ blaise: does your debug.txt contain any traceback (i doubt it) 00:11 iqualfragile_ & you might want to post that in -dev 00:11 blaise I'm not particularly compelled to use the gnu debugger just yet.. I'de rather not have 3 terrabytes of backtrace for myself and some other pore bastard to sift through 00:11 blaise iqualfragile_: negative. 00:12 iqualfragile_ blaise: which mods are you running? 00:13 ShadowX83 I was just trying to be helpful if you want to be rude that is fine iq 00:13 blaise iqualfragile_: ls -la /var/lib/minetest/.minetest/mods/ | wgetpaste 00:13 blaise iqualfragile_: http://bpaste.net/show/172497/ 00:13 blaise :) 00:13 * blaise hands ShadowX83 what do you mean "D Bug" 00:14 Peacock shadow dont mind them, they dont get layed very often :P 00:14 Peacock and apparently can't spell :P 00:14 blaise I've been layed 3 times today, thank you. 00:14 kahrl you run mobf + simple mobs? 00:14 ShadowX83 I know I did not spell it right 00:14 blaise and I'm not talking about a floral arrangement 00:14 Peacock chips? :p 00:14 blaise kahrl: is that bad? 00:15 blaise lmao 00:15 * blaise tickles ShadowBot 00:15 kahrl well at least ShadowBot doesn't seem to like it 00:15 iqualfragile_ now take that information and put it into #minetest-dev, let them tell you that some mod propably tried to load nonexistant metadata and that this is non-fatal and ignorable 00:16 blaise what's interesting is that the server has ran two weeks without any problems.. 00:16 blaise now I can't get it to start 00:16 kahrl blaise: what version of minetest is that? 00:16 iqualfragile_ uh, that sounds worse then i expected, so this thing caused your server to crash? 00:20 blaise 0.4.9 00:20 blaise I disabled all the mods, still get the same error 00:20 kahrl blaise: so it should use safeWriteToFile for env_meta.txt 00:21 kahrl no idea why it would get corrupted then 00:22 kahrl in any case you can just copy in env_meta.txt from another world 00:22 kahrl nothing of importance is stored there 00:23 blaise 00:23:34: ERROR[main]: ERROR: An unhandled exception occurred: Player::deSerialize(): PlayerArgsEnd of player "falueaea.~mt" not found 00:24 * blaise facepalms 00:24 kahrl yeah that's a known bug 00:24 blaise !up midnightsystems.kicks-ass.org 00:24 MinetestBot midnightsystems.kicks-ass.org:30000 seems to be down 00:24 blaise kahrl: how do I address that error? 00:25 kahrl blaise: delete that file 00:25 blaise k 00:27 blaise that file doesn't exist 00:28 blaise hrmm 00:28 blaise maybe it's time to wipe the world and start over? 00:29 kahrl well if it still complains the file has to be there 00:29 * kahrl gives blaise some goggles and hopes they don't do nothing :P 00:30 kahrl did you look in the players/ directory? 00:42 blaise yeah 00:42 blaise I found it 00:42 blaise had to run updatedb for locate to see it 00:52 blaise seems to start up fine now 00:52 blaise that was weird 01:01 Hirato lol 01:01 Hirato can't just use ls in ~/.minetest 01:02 blaise I wasn't quite sure where it was in the minetest tree 01:03 blaise and it wasn't in .minetest 01:13 Hirato bloody RUN_IN_PLACE weirdos 01:48 SirDigby how do you change time to 24 hour in crunch bang? 02:34 cornernote STRAYA DAY http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F4AchHTN-XQ 02:36 SirDigby ? 02:36 SirDigby work with me here 02:36 SirDigby what is this 02:36 cornernote its STRAYA DAY 02:36 SirDigby i can't be all clicky on links 02:36 cornernote merry straya day 02:37 SirDigby read error not enough statement 02:46 harrison http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v_c2ienvIE0 02:49 SirDigby what 02:49 SirDigby what the fuck is this shit 02:49 SirDigby god damn it harrison 02:49 Peacock pron? 02:50 cornernote gunna get me holden 02:50 cornernote and barbecue me some lamb chops 02:50 SirDigby why would you want me to start punching walls and faces 02:50 SirDigby babies 02:50 cornernote STRAYA DAY 02:50 SirDigby You make me want to punch a baby 02:51 SirDigby you happy with that shit 02:51 Peacock still legal in 12 states 02:51 mAcZ are there any mods for mintest (technical based ones)? 02:51 SirDigby lol 02:51 SirDigby uh 02:51 SirDigby I think vannase is one 02:52 SirDigby idk what i'm talking about tho 02:52 cornernote gunna get me some plastic flags from crazy clarks 02:52 cornernote (made in china) 02:52 cornernote STRAYA DAY ! 02:52 Peacock everything's made in china :p 02:53 Peacock except for the shit they import 02:53 harrison ok if that is pron then i am actually a talking wallaby 02:53 harrison and i am not 02:53 cornernote gunna go out, put on me best shirt, pop the collar 02:53 harrison SirDigby i am NOT a talking wallaby 02:53 Peacock im guessing everyone's high tonight 02:53 SirDigby k 02:54 Peacock not from colorado or washington by any chance? :P 02:54 cornernote STRAYA ! 02:55 SirDigby you all know that the other people that speak English dosn't know what football is 02:55 SirDigby only 02:55 SirDigby And i mean ONLY merca knows about foot ball 02:56 SirDigby i don't use drugs 02:56 Peacock yeah the whole football = soccer thing 02:56 SirDigby right 02:56 Peacock i got a good one for you: Whats the hardest part of being a soccer/football player? 02:57 harrison the foot! 02:57 SirDigby we all know that dumb fuckers just beating the hell out of each other should only be a mercian thing 02:57 Peacock oh yeah because europe doesn't have football hooligans.... :p 02:57 Peacock or riots over that shit 02:57 cornernote not at all, thats what straya day is all about 02:57 SirDigby ya but thay are all pussys 02:57 harrison 1488+666=2014 02:57 cornernote glass someone in the face cos they have an accent 02:58 SirDigby after they fight they will have a cup of tea with eachother 02:58 Peacock id rather glass someone wearing google glass lol 02:58 SirDigby proper wanks an all dat 02:58 SirDigby ya read about that shit 02:59 SirDigby dude was nailed for 4 hours 02:59 Peacock talking about that movie theater shit? 02:59 SirDigby ya 02:59 SirDigby lol 02:59 SirDigby well 03:00 SirDigby Know i know how pirates do it 03:00 Peacock had it coming 03:00 SirDigby they sail from sea to sea 03:00 SirDigby well ya 03:00 Peacock thats why i find geeks totally retarded and contradictory: they bitch about the nsa and cell phone tracking, yet they defend shit like google glass 03:00 SirDigby guy is stupid just like that guy that had them on when driving 03:01 SirDigby what a dumb ass 03:01 SirDigby i feel you 03:01 Peacock can you imagine those glass jackasses wearing that shit in public restrooms, locker rooms, or anywhere else people don't want to be recorded 03:03 SirDigby I don't want to be that guy that pretends to do work, but uh, I might have a problem with some asshole blogging my dick at a urinal 03:03 SirDigby AND and 03:03 SirDigby it's a grower 03:03 SirDigby so 03:03 NakedFury peacock its late to be moaning about it 03:04 Peacock doesnt matter what the fuck it looks like lol no one wants to see their junk on youtube lol 03:04 SirDigby good 03:04 SirDigby but really 03:04 SirDigby it's like those guys that wear the ear set 03:05 Peacock nakedfury how so? 03:05 SirDigby and when the cell rings they yell 03:05 SirDigby TALK TO ME 03:05 Peacock bluetooth earset: doesn't record other people 03:05 SirDigby no but you hear this shit 03:05 NakedFury the glasses are nothing new for that since before them we could add tiny cameras to pens or glasses to do that stuff 03:06 Peacock yeah but those were specialty items, google is hoping to sell alot of these 03:06 SirDigby god damn it have you ever been down town and see these shits 03:06 NakedFury all of this stuff was to be expected with the evolution of technology and easy internet access 03:06 SirDigby the fucks come up be hind you and yell talk to me 03:06 SirDigby fuck this shit 03:07 SirDigby blast them in the face 03:07 Peacock if some moron wants to tweet every meal and bowel movement of theirs then that's their business, it's when they start recording other people that i get an overwhelming urge to deck them lol 03:07 SirDigby i agree. 03:07 Peacock though, glass has already been banned in some restaurants :-) so there's hope 03:08 cornernote BYO 03:08 SirDigby i'm not ready for more pompous bullshit 03:12 stormchaser3000 hi 03:13 cornernote immigrant day? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8fYX98fZD74 03:14 stormchaser3000 ? 03:15 stormchaser3000 ah what the crus 03:15 stormchaser3000 rud* 03:15 stormchaser3000 crud* 03:15 stormchaser3000 my internet is too slow 03:15 SirDigby the fuc 03:16 stormchaser3000 and youtube is not working very well 03:16 SirDigby FIRST 03:16 SirDigby https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4XagtzN6e70 03:16 stormchaser3000 no really 03:16 stormchaser3000 14.7 kb/s internet 03:17 SirDigby bullshit 03:17 SirDigby and you pay 70 bucks a month for this 03:17 stormchaser3000 no more like 40 or 50 or 10 idk 03:17 SirDigby just fucking go with dail up 03:18 stormchaser3000 ehhh 03:18 stormchaser3000 lol i might get century link 03:18 stormchaser3000 7 mb/s internet 03:18 stormchaser3000 i think it is 03:18 SirDigby is that down 03:18 SirDigby or total 03:19 stormchaser3000 but for now i have a ****** t-mobile internet 03:19 SirDigby oh 03:19 SirDigby well 03:19 SirDigby you dun goofed 03:19 VanessaE hi 03:20 SirDigby hello 03:20 stormchaser3000 hi Vanessa 03:21 SirDigby https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8xiKqowqbOk 03:21 SirDigby Vanessa knows whats up 03:21 SirDigby or not 03:21 SirDigby idk 03:30 cornernote hey VenessaE, happy straya day ! 03:30 NekoGloop https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Jfx57q1Jxw this is perfect 03:37 VanessaE hi cornernote 03:45 cornernote hey guys, i have a Q about the image licensing in minetest 03:46 VanessaE cc-by-sa unless there's language in the readme that says otherwise (some images are licensed differently, e.g. wtfpl) 03:46 cornernote yes, but what does that mean in the following context.. 03:46 cornernote i made a html theme that i use on my mods now, and i decided to make the theme itself as a package... 03:47 cornernote i seem to be adding more and more images from minetest into it (slightly modded images, blown up and slight blur, nothing major) 03:48 cornernote i put the list of images/authors on the page itself... but not sure if that is a requirement, or if i can have a txt file in the download that has the list of all the images 03:48 cornernote i currently do both 03:48 cornernote this is the thing - http://cornernote.github.io/minetest-bootstrap-theme/ 03:49 VanessaE well, what I do now with my imagery where I'd made some derivative work is I provide a list of links where the images came from, with some indication what the image is being used for 03:49 VanessaE I figure the person can follow the link to get the full attribution of the image 03:49 VanessaE nice theme 03:50 cornernote so i can put a link to a txt file instead of the full list ? 03:50 VanessaE for that, what you do now is probably adequate 03:50 VanessaE but I'm no lawyer :) 03:50 cornernote what about if i use that theme, like on my mod ? 03:50 cornernote or if someone else uses the theme 03:51 cornernote what are they required to do ? 03:51 VanessaE in that case, I think nothing special is needed, just bury the credits in a file somewhere in the download 03:51 cornernote the mod download doesnt have the theme, its just to doc the mod 03:52 VanessaE well think of it this way, 03:52 cornernote i hate CC BY-SA 03:52 cornernote cos i dont understand it 03:52 cornernote almost as bad as GPL 03:52 VanessaE if someone downloads your package and uses it, but doesn't modify it, they're not creating much of a derivative work (if at all), in which case they probably don't have to worry about licensing at all, aside from simply using the same license 03:53 VanessaE (as far as publishing credits et al.) 03:53 cornernote let me give an example... on this page - http://cornernote.github.io/minetest-armor/ 03:53 cornernote there i dont give any credit to the image authors 03:53 VanessaE ah, yeah see that's fine 03:53 cornernote but i give credit back to my theme 03:54 VanessaE you don't need to share the credits there, just link to the credits file 03:54 cornernote i dont even do that, i just link to the theme (which has the credits in it) 03:54 cornernote is that ok ? 03:54 VanessaE that's fine too 03:54 VanessaE as long as the chain leads easily back to the credits 03:54 cornernote and anyone else who uses the theme... they have to link back to it too ? 03:55 cornernote i'd rather they didnt have to 03:55 cornernote i will link to it, cos i want to share it... but i dont want to force others to 03:55 VanessaE the idea is that the user need not do anything fancy to find out who's faul---creations are in use :) 03:56 cornernote the user being the person who takes this theme and makes their own site... or the user is some stranger visiting their site ? 03:56 VanessaE that's a good question, and one which I think only a lawyer can give you an authoritative answer to, but I would guess that yes they need to link back to the theme, if they don't link to the credits. 03:56 VanessaE theperson who uses the theme to make a site. 03:56 VanessaE the web author/etc. 03:56 VanessaE the end user viewing the site doesn't count. 03:56 VanessaE they are not a party to the contract at all 03:57 VanessaE until they decide to take the imagery they find and re-publish it 03:57 VanessaE (which most people won't) 03:57 cornernote ok, that makes sense 03:58 cornernote the BSD license on the theme itself only talks about Redistributions, not usage 03:58 cornernote so i guess the CC BY-SA is somewhat similar 03:59 cornernote if you use it, you dont have to give full disclosure about copyright notices 03:59 VanessaE all of them are like that 03:59 cornernote if you redistribute it, you have to include the copyright notices 03:59 cornernote thanks V 03:59 VanessaE the end user who downloads the file isn't a party to the contact/license until they decide they want to *upload* it somewhere 03:59 VanessaE exactly 04:00 cornernote "upload" is an interesting term 04:00 cornernote you're not redistributing a website by putting it online 04:00 VanessaE so if you make a website or whatever out of it, you are redistributing it, for the purposes of this package 04:00 cornernote but then again, you kinda are 04:00 VanessaE well you are if the purpose of the package is to create little mini-websites 04:01 cornernote say little tommy wants to make publish his minetest mod, he wants a cool page, so he starts with this... 04:01 cornernote by uploading this html to his webserver (to showoff his unrelated mod) is he redistributing this package ? 04:02 VanessaE yep. 04:02 cornernote dammit 04:02 VanessaE because his webserver is expressly allowing others to download and view it 04:02 cornernote how about this... 04:02 VanessaE it's enough that he should just link to the credits file. 04:03 VanessaE or link back to the original download 04:03 cornernote i use a php framework called Yii 04:03 cornernote i build an app, upload it, and it serves pages 04:03 cornernote but i'm not redistributing it, because the source code is not available 04:03 ShadowNinja We have a test phpbb board running at phpbb.minetest.net. Comments on it? (Yes, it needs a theme) 04:03 cornernote the difference with the HTML is they can steal the code via their browser 04:04 cornernote its not being redistributed 04:04 cornernote its being used to serve a rendered html page 04:04 VanessaE cornernote: where is the content that's being served stored at? 04:05 cornernote some web server, say a pc in my house, or some $1 host 04:05 VanessaE I guess I'm not entirely clear where you're going with that example 04:05 VanessaE it doesn't matter whether the page source can be had or not though 04:06 cornernote say i have some PHP script... (c) 2014 Brett O'Donnell 04:06 VanessaE it matters whether the browser ends up with viewable content 04:06 cornernote when someone visits the page, they see hello world 04:06 ShadowNinja cornernote: Can you take a look at that? 04:06 cornernote SN, sure, sec 04:07 cornernote SN< the content is all transferred? nice ! 04:07 cornernote phpbb will be way better than the forum there now 04:07 cornernote many more community mods 04:08 cornernote V, yeah i figurerd that comes into play 04:08 VanessaE cornernote: they see "hello world" --> you just redistributed "hello world". 04:08 ShadowNinja Yep. :-) And not being a dead project helps. 04:08 cornernote yeah, not the source 04:09 cornernote but with the image that is being displayed, its similar 04:09 VanessaE or rather, you just redistributed the final *content* thereof. Now suppose that php script pushes a bunch of imagery and so forth - same deal but even more obvious then 04:09 VanessaE because you can see "oh, that's Minetest's lava image there" 04:09 VanessaE and so on 04:09 cornernote im distributing default_grass_*.png blown upto 128px and has a blur 04:10 cornernote via the browser 04:10 VanessaE so it doesn't matter if it's HTML source, a rendered image, javascript, AJAX, or something else - if the browser can see it and render it, it counts as redistributing. 04:10 VanessaE yep, and in the case of default_grass_*.png, you're not only redistributing, you're distributing a derivative work (not that I care, btw :) ) 04:10 cornernote do distributing "hello world" needs to have the license, because it was derrived from ?? 04:11 VanessaE cornernote: in theory, but in practice, no, because if you give no license, it's automatically all-rights-reserved. 04:11 cornernote i think default_grass_*.png is wtfpl, but i will still honor the author =) 04:11 cornernote its just that i dont want ppl who _use_ the theme to have to do the same, only if they want to package it up (as i have) that they should need to 04:11 VanessaE copyright laws suck :P 04:12 VanessaE all that the person using the theme on their own site has to do, to remain safe, is provide a link at the bottom of their page that says something like "This theme was obtained from http://foo.com/bar.html" pointing to your download. 04:12 cornernote im all for acknowledgment of the original author(s), but i dont want it to be a barrier of usage 04:12 cornernote consider this.... 04:13 VanessaE and it can be buried under all the noise of the background 04:13 cornernote i am playing minetest in a public place on my PC 04:13 cornernote others can see my screen 04:13 cornernote am i redistributing it ? 04:13 VanessaE actually... 04:13 VanessaE if the screen is larger than..what was it, 49 inches? 04:13 VanessaE and if there are more than ..I forget, 4 people was it? 04:13 VanessaE I shit you not 04:13 cornernote haha 04:14 VanessaE ESPN or someone fought this out in court once 04:14 VanessaE and that was what the case was settled on 04:14 VanessaE screen size and number of people watching it 04:14 cornernote and i want to hilight that my intent is not to take credit from those who earned it, its simply to make it easier for people to use the creations 04:14 VanessaE so if you have a superbowl party in front of your big projection screen next year, they'll kick your ass :) 04:15 VanessaE I know that and everyone here in channel knows that 04:15 VanessaE but you know how it is, some jerk out there somewhere... CYA. 04:15 cornernote so i play the game in a private area 04:15 cornernote and i get my friend to take a picture of me playing, with the screen in view 04:16 cornernote then i blow that up to 50" 04:16 VanessaE lol 04:16 cornernote and show the picture in public 04:16 cornernote lol 04:16 VanessaE ok now you're getting into fair use territory :) 04:16 VanessaE at that point it begins to depend on why your friend took the picture 04:16 cornernote just being silly, but you see where im coming from 04:16 VanessaE oh of course 04:17 VanessaE silly is good :) 04:17 VanessaE keeps life interesting that way :D 04:18 cornernote thanks for your help V, i think i get it... kinda... although it can be taken to extreme where it gets silly 04:19 cornernote ShadowNinja, when is this forum going to be live ? 04:19 VanessaE I try :) 04:19 VanessaE in the end, just ask the user politely to provide a link back to the theme/download/thingy on their page somewhere 04:19 VanessaE and that'll probably cover 99.999% of the issue 04:20 VanessaE you could even just build that link in yourself into the template 04:20 ShadowNinja cornernote: Well, I don't know. 04:20 cornernote VanessaE, yeah, the template is exactly as the webpage is... 04:21 cornernote what you see is what you download, and it has the copyrights and licenses in it 04:21 VanessaE at that point it becomes more a matter of asking the user politely not to remove the link :) 04:21 ShadowNinja It might not replace the current board, but if it does it might take a while to get a theme and update the mmdb. 04:21 cornernote but i want them to be able to remove the link 04:21 cornernote unless they are making their own theme to redistribute 04:21 cornernote i dont want them to claim it as their own when it isnt 04:22 cornernote the images are not mine to give them that right 04:23 VanessaE well sure they should be *able* to remove the link, but you should discourage it 04:24 cornernote so they should be legally able to remove it 04:25 VanessaE under some circumstances they may be able to remove it, but like I said, you should discourage them doing so. 04:25 VanessaE anyway, I'm off to bed. 04:25 VanessaE night all. 04:25 cornernote perhaps i'll add a smaller link right at the bottom somewhere, and put in the HTML a commented section explaining they can remove it but its preferred they dont 04:25 cornernote night V 04:39 cornernote the licensing gets even more complicated :S 04:39 cornernote cos on some of my pages, i have craft tables with images 04:39 cornernote the images are from whatever mod holds the source for the craft 04:39 cornernote eg, on the html theme, i have a craft from sticks 04:40 cornernote but i didnt put anything about stick in the licenses 04:47 cornernote ok, no i have... in the images folder i kept the structure from minetest, including the readmes which contain the media licenses and authors 04:47 cornernote eg, https://github.com/cornernote/minetest-bootstrap-theme/tree/gh-pages/img/mods/default 05:02 cornernote anyone around still ? 05:03 cornernote ok... i'll just talk amoungst myself then 05:03 cornernote i had a play with the luacontroller, thats pretty fun 05:05 cornernote created a rock-paper-scissors-lizard-spock game in a single lua controller... i'll have to wack it up with instructions at some stage 05:17 us_0gb I'm here. Sort of. On and off. 05:17 us_0gb I'm not sure where the lizard comes in or even what a "spock" is. 05:52 SirDigby BUTT BUTT 07:07 cornernote us_0gb, Rock crushes lizard 07:07 cornernote Lizard poisons Spock 07:07 cornernote Lizard eats paper 07:07 cornernote Scissors decapitate lizard 07:07 Peacock drugs are bad mkaay? 07:07 cornernote and if you don't know what a "spock" is, i can only offer you pitty 07:08 cornernote live long and prosper 07:08 us_0gb I suppose I should web search it. But in a bit. 07:08 Peacock on the contrary, i got the most star trek themed mods around lol 07:08 us_0gb Oh, it's from Star Trek? No wonder I don't know what it is. 07:09 cornernote http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rock-paper-scissors-lizard-Spock 07:14 Peacock "BBC News (World) Sex abuse at British youth detention centre left boys begging to have their legs broken to get help" i suppose that's an advancement, before you had to go the catholic church for that sort of thing 07:16 Peacock pretty soon you wont be able to trust any adults left alone with children lol 07:25 Hirato lol Peacock 07:25 Hirato me thinks he's optimistic 07:26 cornernote its a detention centre, so i assume the kids are not there by choice 07:26 cornernote its not like someone trusted their kids with someone, they had no choice 07:26 cornernote which makes it even sicker 07:32 Leoneof why i'm here? 07:32 Peacock why are we all here? 07:32 Leoneof no idea 07:33 Peacock our lord and saviour Jesus Christ has the answers 07:33 Peacock :P 07:33 Leoneof :\ 07:33 Peacock im kidding, if there is a lord, he's probably more like Q from star trek lol 07:34 Leoneof by the way, minetest should be fast, light, not heavy with cpu dual-core, graphics are simple like Playstation1 07:34 Peacock i've been saying the same thing :P 07:34 Leoneof something is wrong, either in dev codes, or irrlicht 07:35 Peacock and yet "must work on old hardware" is still used as an excuse not to implement specific features people don't like lol 07:35 Hirato silly Peacock, everyone knows it's Islam that has all the answers 07:35 Hirato care for a goat? 07:35 Peacock lol been to the middle east? 07:36 Peacock theres even a huge debate going on over here about letting people wear bed sheets in the public service 07:36 Leoneof i blame devs for their bad game, performance, and other things 07:36 Peacock well the devs are hardly united if the logs are anything to go by :P 07:37 Peacock the more devs they add the less anything gets done, surprisingly 07:37 Hirato Zionist agents are turning them against each other 07:37 Peacock lol can't tell if you're trolling or not 07:37 us_0gb Leoneof: If you think you can do better, feel free to fork. 07:37 Leoneof Peacock: they will claim that nvidia is making the game slow, not their game ;) 07:37 Hirato that's what the lizardmen want you t othink 07:37 Peacock ogb: please, so he can take shit like the FM devs do? 07:38 us_0gb There's a lot I don't like here, but the good more than outweighs the bad. 07:38 us_0gb "FM"? 07:38 Peacock Leoneof: standard opensource protocol, blame the hardware, then user, and as a last resort, assume the problem lol 07:38 Peacock ogb: freeminer, still many people butthurt over that 07:39 us_0gb Peacock: What problems do people have with Freeminer? 07:39 Peacock a lot of people resent it and expect it to fail 07:39 Peacock even though they seem to be doing better 07:39 Leoneof indeed! 07:41 Peacock of course a lot of the resentment stems from people who have worked hard to achieve their present positions in this community (and done very little since :P) 07:41 us_0gb I might look into switching if they set up a repository compatible with my distribution. I'm too lazy to switch without one. Ironically, I have to compile for my server anyway due to it's PowerPC processor. 07:42 Peacock i hate compiling but compiling MT/FM is reasonably easy even for me lol 07:42 Peacock though dont try to convince me to switch to one of those "compile-everything" distros :P 07:42 Peacock the local off-license don't have a big enough inventory for that 07:43 us_0gb I used to compile everything when I used OS X, but now that I'm on GNU, I'm too lazy. GNU just makes life too easy. 07:43 Peacock yeah because not much works with/on it :P 07:43 Leoneof true, i'm lazy with gnu too 07:43 Peacock (if its the purist distro im thinking of) 07:44 us_0gb Peacock: Ubuntu is a GNU distribution as well. Being pure has nothing to due with its ease. 07:44 us_0gb Or GNU/Linux if you prefer. 07:44 Peacock well, only RMS insists on slapping GNU onto all of linux, though the majority of linux would disagree 07:45 Peacock RMS even actively discouraged people developing for linux at first because it wasn't HURD, having lost that battle, he tried to take credit instead :P 07:45 us_0gb I can't say I agree with everything he does. 07:46 Hirato I can to the startling realisation yesterday, that Poeterring is the Todd Howard of open source :3c 07:46 Hirato **came 07:46 us_0gb But he did organize the system. 07:46 Peacock yeah but that was back in the 80s 07:46 Peacock most of you weren't born 07:46 Peacock what has he done since? except write speeches while everyone develops what we actively use today 07:46 Hirato St. Ignucious is a legend and a scholar 07:46 Peacock *everyone else 07:47 us_0gb Hirato: I *really* don't like the "saint" outfit. 07:48 Hirato :P 07:48 Peacock well it doesn't help the cult image alot of people have of the fsf, but rms did assume it 07:48 Hirato RMS is totally one of my heroes, he's a mostly sane man a bit too obsessed with freedom, but he means well :P 07:48 us_0gb Peacock: It's called education. He tries to advance the cause through education. 07:49 Peacock hirato: please, he's a few missed shaves away from being bin laden 07:49 Hirato he's the hero we need, but clearly not the one we deserve 07:49 us_0gb Anyone in favor of the GFDL is no hero of mine. But he does have a lot of good ideas. 07:49 Peacock i prefer the OSI over the FSF lol 07:50 us_0gb Peacock: Yeah, many people do. 07:53 Peacock weird, i like politics, but real world politics, when it comes to geek stuff, i care for what works. i dont like mixing the two lol 07:53 Peacock a lot of advocates i get to know don't care much for real world politics, which is probably why they incorporate politics into software instead 07:54 us_0gb Software politics has a lot more real-world implications than you give it credit for. 07:55 Peacock they're not the same, though im not sure i can explain that adequately to anyone's satisfaction 07:55 Peacock by real world politics, i mean like what's going on in the Ukraine right now 07:56 us_0gb So ... You mean third-world politics. THose are important too, but that doesn't mean first-world politics should be ignored. 07:57 Peacock Ukraine isn't third world, it was up for partnership with the EU lol 07:57 Peacock obviously important enough for the EU and the Russians to spar over 07:57 Peacock and even first world politics have very little to do with software: we have much bigger problems to deal with 08:00 us_0gb My bad. Like many stupid United Statsians, I'm bad at geography. 08:01 Peacock falling real wages, higher costs, lacklustre economies, political polarization, gentrification, the widening gap between rich and poor, etc. 08:02 Peacock like i keep trying to tell most advocates: so long as you still have war, hunger and poverty, you'll never find mass-appeal for software freedom 08:03 Hirato pragmatism is a middle ground :P 08:03 Peacock especially when everything else seems to be getting worse lol 08:06 Peacock though it would be an interesting social experiment: release a mod under a restrictive license, and promise to re-release under a free license if the community can donate x amount to the red cross, that should give an impression of which moralists are willing to put their money with their mouth is :p 08:06 Peacock *where 08:06 ThomasAH Peacock: The Humble Minetest Bundle? :) 08:07 Hirato now with 50 mods preconfigured! 08:07 Peacock the Humanitarian Bundle i should think :P 08:07 Hirato making their FOSS debut! 08:07 Peacock well its about time first-world morals be put to use to end actual suffering lol 08:08 Hirato meh 08:08 Hirato I don't care - there's not enough resources for that 08:08 us_0gb Peacock: No, at least some would refuse (or refuse to report donations) to avoid rewarding you for first releasing under a proprietary license. 08:08 Hirato sides, first worldia has enough problems staying afloat at the moment 08:09 Peacock well that's the thing :P why should i give a shit about software freedoms when most of that crowd won't lift a finger to solve real-world problems :p 08:09 Hirato for one that shit's actually relevant to you 08:10 us_0gb Subjegation through software and vendor lock-in *are* real world problems, whether you want to admit it or not. 08:10 ThomasAH us_0gb: then maybe just do it a little different: now in the humble/humanitaria/whatever bundle/shop/store, but the proprietary license will have a clause to automatically switch to something free at day X (with X in 1/2/3/6 months from now). 08:10 Peacock but subjugation through starvation, poverty and dictatorship are no biggies? 08:10 us_0gb Also, I'm broke. I work a stupid minimum wage job. Maybe I'll donatw once I graduate, but for now, I have my own problems to wory about. 08:11 ThomasAH us_0gb: so no blackmail ("pay now, or it will stay proprietary") 08:11 Hirato It's not that the FSF doesn't care about that stuff, it's that those thigns arne't part of its mission 08:11 Peacock Thomas well i did say promise, now if people want to punish because it was nonfree to begin with that's their problem, but their refusal won't help move things in the right direction either 08:12 Peacock hirato of course, the FSF sees the third world as the perfect place to spread free software BECAUSE they're poor, they don't care about the actual causes of poverty 08:12 us_0gb Peacock: Like I said, those issues matter. But that does not mean that software issues do not *also* matter. 08:12 * Hirato installs Uplay on Peacock's PC 08:12 Peacock ogb the way most people talk around here, you'd think software freedom was the last and only problem 08:13 * Hirato then hides Peacock's bootloader behind Origin 08:13 Hirato it's just what people care about here 08:14 us_0gb Peacock: I don't argue that. THere is a lot of problems in the world. I just do not have the time or energy to take on every just cause. I have to take on one that is relevant to me and do what I can. 08:14 Peacock yeah well i tend to be objective :P i cant be bothered protesting about software freedoms if i dont spend more time protesting about bigger injustices 08:14 Peacock ^ responding to hirato 08:15 us_0gb I can't do anything about mass starvation, but I can refuse to use proprietary software. 08:15 Peacock ogb: i think poverty and freedom have a lot more to do with each other than most people realize 08:15 us_0gb Exactly. 08:15 us_0gb I thought you were trying to separate the two though. 08:16 us_0gb Subjugation is subjugation, in any form. 08:18 Peacock i dont seperate the two, but most people focus on one or the other 08:18 Hirato anyways, I think you should try to persuade certain activists to do more productive things with their lives http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gzdf4V7Cf_M 08:19 Peacock and you're certainly free to focus on what matters to you, but i'd feel like a hypocrite trying to tackle software freedom when there are much bigger fish to fry 08:19 us_0gb That's understandable. 08:19 us_0gb I don't have the resources though. Or the passion. 08:20 Peacock in any case, you've never tried to preach to me. though anyone who does want to preach to me will wanna make sure they dont consume petrol, live in an oversized house or buy sweat-shop made goods if they want me to take them seriously lol 08:22 us_0gb I don't drink and have a small house (and plan to get a smaller one when I move, though mostly to save money and have less maintenance). I wouldn't know if I have any sweatshop goods though. 08:22 Peacock well i dont think you can drink petrol :p 08:22 Hirato if(country_of_manufactur == CHINA) yes(); 08:22 Peacock unless you're into self-immolation 08:23 Hirato I AM ONE WITH BUDDHA 08:23 us_0gb Oh, gasoline. My bad. I don't drive either. I walk. THough I want to get a bike. 08:23 Peacock buddhists did self-immolate yes :P 08:24 * Hirato wonders if peacock watched that video above :D 08:24 Peacock hirato sorry watching something else actually :P 08:24 Hirato :o 08:24 Hirato but it's funny, and it's the ind of people you should try to redirect at an actual non-retarded cause :p 08:25 Hirato assuming there's any chance of success 08:25 Peacock hirato people are very caught up in their beliefs, doesn't matter which religion or politics 08:25 Peacock people were probably more evolved in the late 60s and 70s 08:27 us_0gb People, like any other animal, evolved well when there were a lot of threats to survival. Now that almost everyone lives long enough to reproduce, we do evolve backwards a bit. 08:27 Peacock its pretty ironic that the boomers were all liberals in their youth, and mostly right-wingers when they were well into their careers/near retirement 08:28 Peacock reproduction is another issue entirely :P the whole world could use a one-child policy 08:29 Hirato https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wF65MnhctUQ and yet, our populace responds to our neocon leader :P 08:29 us_0gb Very true. Make that one or less though. I don't want any obligation to breed myself. 08:29 Peacock my wife wants kids, i want cats lol 08:29 Peacock cats don't talk as much, and demand less 08:29 us_0gb Cats are easier to take care of. 08:29 * Hirato files https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ltm8iKGlKk under peacock in his minetest.txt 08:29 Peacock cats will never want an ipad to look up pussy, they can get it on their own 08:30 Hirato b-but apple bans porn! 08:31 Peacock not lolcats lol 08:31 Peacock besides who wants to bring a kid into the world when there's a good chance they'll earn less then you 08:31 Hirato well yeah, lolcats aren't pr0n 08:31 Hirato they'll earn more, it'll jsut be worth way less 08:31 Hirato thanks inflation! 08:32 Peacock sending your kid to university is hardly enough these days to guarantee a decent life 08:32 Peacock inflation isn't the issue 08:32 Peacock we've always had inflation, and had it much worse in the 70s and 80s 08:32 Peacock but more and more people are educated, and a bachelor's is hardly worth anything these days 08:32 Hirato that stuff keeps me up at night 08:33 Peacock well i could never choose a major, i wanted compsci but the tech bubble burst at the end of the 90s 08:34 Peacock and salaries haven't been the same since 08:34 Peacock my father made more as a civil engineer and he wasn't even working in that field 08:34 Hirato lol, not even doing the whole 99% vs the rest? 08:35 Hirato sometimes I just want the west to fall... 08:35 Hirato it's looking like it'll happen sometime during my lifetime 08:36 Peacock the west did best when europe and the east lay in ruins, the obvious solution is to fund the next hitler and hirohito lol 08:37 Peacock though the way the eu's going, they may produce the next hitler on their own 08:37 Hirato best case scenario, it would secure their ruin 08:37 Hirato worst case scenario, hello big brother and rampant corporationism 08:37 Hirato you know, necessary measures for the war 08:38 Peacock how's that different from the last two world wars? 08:39 Hirato dunno, not very big on history 08:39 Peacock another one of my obsessions lol 08:40 Peacock i put the O in OCD :P 08:40 Hirato but I'm pretty sure the power houses weren't left with an all-seeing despot in charge 08:42 Peacock well the thing with incompetent government in the west is that it might give rise to a competent yet more ideological government 08:43 Peacock either we get fascism 2.0 in the west or we sit tight well the east tears itself apart... with all that shit going down in the east china sea, i'd say the odds are 50/50 08:43 Peacock *while 08:55 daswort what was the name of the mod where you can walk trough objects and they go into you inventory? 08:55 Peacock in MT? 08:55 Hirato technic does that 09:14 daswort item_drop 09:33 Peacock "BBC News - Fluorescent silicone implants help scientists track endangered frogs" <- and prostitutes XD 10:51 RealBadAngel http://i.imgur.com/XFf9m0D.png 10:51 RealBadAngel ^^ UI's tab for waypoints 11:05 blaise http://pastebin.com/MHy31F9L 11:05 blaise interesting crash, eh? 11:08 RealBadAngel looks like some random error ;) 11:09 specing proller: you need to do something to protect the road on Road 11:09 specing proller: idiots are taking cobbles out of it, building directly on it and stealing traffic lights 11:10 proller but they usually cant reach 1000 11:16 RealBadAngel if somebody wanna try waypoint for UI https://github.com/minetest-technic/unified_inventory/tree/waypoints 11:16 RealBadAngel latest git needed ofc 11:17 RealBadAngel its not finished, but in almost usable state 11:19 cornernote_ hey RealBadAngel 11:19 RealBadAngel hi there 11:19 RealBadAngel how its going? 11:19 cornernote not bad at all, just enjoying my day off 11:20 cornernote happy STRAYA DAY ! 11:20 cornernote sec, gotta get the link to go with it 11:20 cornernote http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F4AchHTN-XQ 11:21 cornernote whats the waypoint thing ? 11:21 RealBadAngel my week off is about to end, going to work in an hour 11:21 RealBadAngel it is hud element bound to world position 11:21 RealBadAngel showing its name and distance to it 11:22 cornernote onscreen, or in your inventory ? 11:23 RealBadAngel http://i.imgur.com/qFdhvne.png 11:23 RealBadAngel on screen 11:24 cornernote nice 11:24 RealBadAngel so you can easily go in waypoint's direction and get to desired place 11:24 cornernote a hole 11:24 cornernote lol 11:25 RealBadAngel some random names for testing ;) 11:25 RealBadAngel servers can for example mark spawn with a waypoint 11:27 RealBadAngel or some other important places 11:27 cornernote can the player hide it ? 11:27 cornernote toggle 11:27 RealBadAngel in UI's implementation, yes 11:27 cornernote and can other mods hook into it ? 11:27 cornernote eg, i have a mod that places something in the world, can it also add a way-point ? 11:27 RealBadAngel if they do have hud element ID, then yes 11:28 cornernote how ? 11:28 RealBadAngel ID is given when an element is created 11:28 RealBadAngel with ID you can edit it 11:28 RealBadAngel UI stores IDs in a table 11:30 RealBadAngel https://github.com/minetest/minetest/blob/master/doc/lua_api.txt#L510 11:30 RealBadAngel and: https://github.com/minetest/minetest/blob/master/doc/lua_api.txt#L1800 11:33 cornernote i hate that text file 11:33 RealBadAngel hehe 11:33 cornernote hate it SO MUCH !!! 11:34 RealBadAngel better see it in practice: https://github.com/minetest-technic/unified_inventory/blob/waypoints/waypoints.lua 11:37 cornernote i see.. player:hud_add 11:37 cornernote thats cool 11:38 cornernote lots of new engine features added while i been away 11:38 RealBadAngel yup 11:38 RealBadAngel are you workin on somethin new maybe? 11:45 cornernote not really, i did some web pages for my old mods 11:45 cornernote i was thinking of making skyblock2 11:46 RealBadAngel that could be cool 11:46 RealBadAngel i liked playin skyblock a lot 11:46 cornernote many new devs making many new mods... i can just spend time with other ppls code now =) 11:46 cornernote seems some of the things i made have been forked and improved on, which is really cool to see 11:47 RealBadAngel ive took yours bag and craftguide code for example and merged it into UI 11:47 cornernote if i recall, skyblock was your idea/suggestion, wasnt it ? 11:47 RealBadAngel yeah, it was 11:47 cornernote it was a really fun game, the first to have some kind of "goal" system 11:47 pitriss https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=127528 //spam 11:48 cornernote and towntest was really fun, i see someone made NPC framework which is where i wanted to go with it 11:49 RealBadAngel btw, an idea for skyblock2 and waypoints. make a goal to reach specific place in a world, far away from starting island 11:50 cornernote i had some rough thoughts... i see there are sky-islands, and much better support for rendering large amounts of nodes 11:50 cornernote so i wanted to start with more of a map, not just the tiny bit 11:50 cornernote and the goal is to build upwards 11:51 cornernote i'll def be looking into all the new engine features to take advantage of what the game can do 11:51 RealBadAngel one can be to go down using sand, which could be very rare 11:53 RealBadAngel below there could be system of roads that allow to visit other players (ofc to build up to other one's island should be disallowed) 11:54 RealBadAngel owner should build it on his own 11:54 RealBadAngel have to go, cya around 11:54 cornernote ttyl 11:58 proller indev mapgen have float islands, and you can build up 12:03 cornernote yeah, it looks awesome 12:03 cornernote did you play skyblock1 ? 12:31 specing proller: so protect the first 1000? 12:32 specing proller: first torches started appearing at 1500 12:33 specing proller: all fine at 2000 12:34 proller usualle most stupid players plays from andrion and does not have fast key 12:34 proller android 12:48 specing proller: then no_guest mod? 13:00 Leoneof proller__: hello 13:01 proller__ moo 13:02 Leoneof moo? 13:09 specing Leoneof: get on Road 13:09 Leoneof specing: we have a cow here? 13:09 specing yes 13:09 Leoneof great! 13:31 proller Leoneof, moo 13:31 proller . 13:32 Leoneof go you and your moo! 13:41 Leoneof :] 14:05 iqualfragile http://z0r.de/70 14:11 PilzAdam Hello everyone! 14:21 Leoneof hi PilzAdam 14:25 Leoneof PilzAdam: it's just my opinion, why Half-Life2 is faster than minetest? it must be something wrong in the code or game engine is slow 14:26 proller both 14:29 Leoneof or maybe both 14:50 sfan5 hi everyone 14:59 iqualfragile Leoneof: yeah, minetest rendering is kinda strange 14:59 iqualfragile but it runs moothly on my i5 14:59 iqualfragile due to archlinux still not releasing 3.13 it has to -.- 15:03 SirDigby huh? 15:03 SirDigby why would you say that 15:04 SirDigby it's like you implied you need a i5 to render minetest 15:04 PilzAdam !tw githubstatus 15:04 MinetestBot Everything operating normally. (@githubstatus) 15:04 PilzAdam liars 15:05 SirDigby heh 15:05 iqualfragile SirDigby: thats what i intended to say 15:05 iqualfragile well, not need 15:06 iqualfragile but you can use an i5 to render minetest via galium llvmmipe 15:06 iqualfragile (without touching your gpu 15:10 Leoneof so 15:15 SirDigby i think you are just showing off 15:15 SirDigby you spent way to much money on a cpu and now have to show it off 15:15 SirDigby like a school boy with new shoes 15:16 SirDigby :) 15:21 Leoneof by using cpu 2Ghz dual core, RAM 2Gb, nvidia 8600 512Mb, the game like Half-Life2 with high settings for resolution, advanced graphics like +bloom, +anti-aliasing, high options for voice + music, it get ~55-60fps, so whats up with minetest? 15:22 reactor Leoneof++; 15:22 iqualfragile SirDigby: no, i am actually ranting about archlinux not putting 3.13 into their repositories so i could use my gpu to do this stuff 15:22 PilzAdam Leoneof, does Half-Life 2 generate a map on the fly? 15:23 reactor Also, have you seen Minecraft? Even slower. 15:23 PilzAdam Leoneof, does Half-Life 2 have dynamic / destructable world? 15:23 iqualfragile PilzAdam: there seems to be some other problem, maybe its too many faces to render? 15:23 reactor (Depends at what, though) 15:24 iqualfragile there is some way to optimize rendering the same geometry in one scene mutliple times, is minetest using that? 15:24 Leoneof PilzAdam: no idea, but minetest is simple, it should be very fast, i guess 15:24 iqualfragile xyz also published some diffs to speed up abms, those were not merged yet 15:25 iqualfragile Leoneof: what gives you the impression minetest would be simple? 15:25 PilzAdam Leoneof, define "simple" 15:25 Leoneof iqualfragile: they are boxes only 15:25 iqualfragile Leoneof: yes, but have you counted the number of boxes? 15:25 iqualfragile (protip, it are loads of boxes) 15:26 Leoneof sorry, brb +10min :) 15:26 PilzAdam being simple from a human point of view doesnt mean its simple from a computer point of view 15:32 iqualfragile http://i.4cdn.org/b/src/1390836471652.jpg looks like they know how to party in ukrainia 15:37 SirDigby can you pin icons on tint2? 15:42 Leoneof back :) 16:11 EvergreenTree o/ 16:12 sfan5 EvergreenTree: updated the irc stats 16:13 EvergreenTree Also: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_jmlazT2FxU 16:13 EvergreenTree !title 16:13 MinetestBot EvergreenTree: Animation Test 3.3 - YouTube 16:13 EvergreenTree It's Jordach's animation 16:38 Jordach meow 16:39 EvergreenTree rowrf 16:43 VanessaE hi 16:43 Leoneof hi 17:27 reactor Hello everyanimalthatcanbeusedfordrugtesting 17:37 reactor |ket> 17:38 reactor Who is Genetic Lifeform and Dick? <- i just read that 18:25 * Jordach might need glasses 18:26 rubenwardy * Jordach is sexually frustrated 18:26 Jordach fuck you :P 18:26 iqualfragile rubenwardy: dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sda 18:26 rubenwardy Joking, of course 18:26 iqualfragile with TWO d's! 18:26 rubenwardy wtf 18:27 rubenwardy Is that a shell command? 18:27 iqualfragile yes 18:27 iqualfragile overwrites your first hdd with zeroes 18:27 rubenwardy lol 18:27 rubenwardy Lets NOT run that 18:27 Jordach say wut, i managed to close firefox which was behind quassel 18:28 iqualfragile rubenwardy: why not? its fun! 18:28 rubenwardy !c sudo dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sda 18:28 MinetestBot SyntaxError: invalid syntax (, line 1) 18:28 rubenwardy !c shell("sudo dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sda") 18:28 MinetestBot NameError: name 'shell' is not defined 18:28 rubenwardy :P 18:28 rubenwardy !c io.shell("sudo dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sda") 18:28 MinetestBot NameError: name 'io' is not defined 18:28 iqualfragile its even better then rm -rf / because you cant even recover the deleted files 18:29 rubenwardy Ah! Isn't rm -rf / that command that makes you computer run a lot faster? 18:29 iqualfragile yes! 18:31 Jordach iqualfragile, cheers for the formatting tip 18:32 iqualfragile Jordach: want to get rid of deleded files or used swap? 18:32 sfan5 rubenwardy: 1) MinetestBot does not run as root 2) I don't even have /dev/sda on my vps 18:33 iqualfragile sfan5: wut? 18:33 iqualfragile no sda? 18:33 sfan5 user@butterfly:~$ mount 18:33 sfan5 /dev/ploop55301p1 on / type ext4 (rw,relatime,barrier=1,data=ordered,balloon_ino=12) 18:33 iqualfragile which os are you running? 18:33 sfan5 linux ofc 18:33 iqualfragile aldawat? 18:33 iqualfragile are you sure that there is no /dev/sda? 18:33 sfan5 if I believe stat, yes 18:34 iqualfragile interesting, wich distro? 18:34 sfan5 ubuntu 18:34 iqualfragile urgh 18:34 VargaD iqualfragile: sata hard drives named /dev/sda 18:34 iqualfragile i would not even be suprized to find /dev/C: on ubuntu 18:34 sfan5 iqualfragile: same on debian 18:35 sfan5 ubuntu server isn't as bad as the desktop one (on their field of usage) 18:35 iqualfragile nah, debian server, arch desktop 18:35 iqualfragile all the way 18:36 sfan5 nope 18:36 sfan5 I'm ok with debian server, but I'm not using arch for desktop 18:36 iqualfragile yeah, i am unhappy with archlinux recently 18:36 iqualfragile 3.13 has been released 7 days ago 18:37 iqualfragile and it did not yet hit the repositories 18:37 sfan5 arch's rolling-release model is nice, but I don't want to read a webpage before doing updates 18:37 iqualfragile you dont 18:37 sfan5 how about you compile a kernel yourself 18:37 sfan5 ? 18:37 VargaD it isn't that complex after the first time 18:37 iqualfragile done that often enought 18:37 sfan5 worked surprisingly back when I had ubuntu 18:38 sfan5 s/back/good back/ 18:38 Jordach >ubuntu 18:38 iqualfragile i just want to be sure arch still works with the new kernel as i do not have a backup computer standing by 18:38 iqualfragile hmm… could just add 2 grub entries 18:39 sfan5 I just installed the kernel without doing a backup 18:39 sfan5 "yolo" 18:39 iqualfragile sfan5: you do not read a webpage, you just add yet another news source to your rss stream 18:39 * sfan5 haz no rss stream 18:39 iqualfragile sfan5: but how do you read your news? 18:40 sfan5 using browsers 18:40 iqualfragile try a rss reader 18:41 iqualfragile makes things a lot more comfortable 18:41 iqualfragile and almost all newssources provide those these days 18:41 sfan5 meh, maybe 18:41 iqualfragile in case you are running kde: akregator is just fine 18:41 sfan5 no, please keep kde out of my machine 18:42 rubenwardy Is kde as in kubuntu? 18:42 Jordach yus 18:42 Jordach except it's a goddamn thingy 18:42 Jordach DE 18:43 rubenwardy ( kde > unity ) ? "true" : "false" 18:43 rubenwardy lol 18:43 iqualfragile rubenwardy: yes, kubuntu uses kde 18:43 rubenwardy Is kde as bad as unity? 18:44 sfan5 no 18:44 iqualfragile kde is better 18:44 sfan5 !c "xfce" > "unity" 18:44 MinetestBot True 18:44 sfan5 !c "xfce" > "kde" 18:44 MinetestBot True 18:44 sfan5 !c "unity" > "kde" 18:44 MinetestBot True 18:44 sfan5 wat 18:44 iqualfragile !c "xfce" > "KDE" 18:44 MinetestBot True 18:44 sfan5 something must be broken 18:45 rubenwardy lol 18:45 sfan5 !c "unity" > "xfce" 18:45 MinetestBot False 18:45 sfan5 \o/ 18:45 rubenwardy What is xfce like compared to kde an unity? 18:45 rubenwardy *and 18:45 iqualfragile ühm… 18:46 iqualfragile dunow 18:46 iqualfragile buggy i guess 18:46 sfan5 report a bug to the python devs :P 18:46 iqualfragile dies when the window title changes too fast/often 18:46 iqualfragile or was this a problem with lxde 18:46 Jordach sounds like it 18:48 * sfan5 throws FLAC at Jordach 18:48 Jordach huh 18:48 Jordach wut 18:49 sfan5 never heard of FLAC?? 18:50 reactor Jordach: yeah. Genetic Lifeform and Dick. 18:52 Jordach i know of FLAC 18:54 sfan5 but it's not normal to get FLAC throws at oneself? 18:54 sfan5 thrown* 18:56 iqualfragile sfan5: nah, you usualy use it to shoot things down 18:57 * rubenwardy is annoyed when he see 18:58 * rubenwardy is annoyed when he sees youtube videos with .mov or .avi at the end of the title. 18:58 Jordach http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gvdf5n-zI14 18:59 sfan5 >.mov 18:59 sfan5 >.avi 18:59 sfan5 oh god what 18:59 sfan5 can't people use proper video formats 18:59 rubenwardy saw this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ic2wkO_wkEs 18:59 sfan5 !title 18:59 MinetestBot sfan5: GCSE Physics Part 24 Distance against Time Graphs.MOV - YouTube 19:00 sfan5 lets see if youtube can work with vp9, it's googles "own" codec 19:02 rubenwardy lol 19:03 rubenwardy or webm 19:03 sfan5 webm will surely work 19:04 sfan5 let's try the outro of some anime 19:04 sfan5 720p 19:06 sfan5 fps=4.5 19:06 sfan5 h264 encoding is much faster 19:06 iqualfragile sfan5: s'prize 19:06 iqualfragile we all wait for daala 19:07 sfan5 I didn't encode a thing 19:07 sfan5 wtf is this 19:07 sfan5 not a single frame 19:08 sfan5 let's try another bitrate 19:44 sfan5 encode done 19:44 sfan5 the vp9 file is half the size of the h264 file 19:44 sfan5 but the bitrate is only hald 19:44 sfan5 half* 19:45 sfan5 looks surprisingly good 19:45 sfan5 now let's see if youtube can deal with vp9 19:50 sfan5 lol, apparently youtube put my video on some kind of waiting list because decoding seems to be that slow 19:52 sfan5 aaand.. nope 19:52 sfan5 youtube doesn't support vp9 20:04 rubenwardy Working out algorithms in spreadsheets: http://ubuntuone.com/62SCiqZyGD3hifBXw4IOmF 20:05 rubenwardy ^ (image) 20:19 Peacock Would it be possible to get a function that deletes player files? (im doing this thing where players have to register ingame, and id like to delete the superfluous files of those that don't to keep the number down) 20:19 Peacock i rigged something up myself yesterday but that was a big pile of fail as minetest recreates the files lol 21:01 Jordach THIS. JUST. HAPPENED. http://paste.ubuntu.com/6828429/ 21:02 PilzAdam where? 21:02 Peacock are those people serious or just retarded? 21:02 Peacock * kidding or retarded 21:02 Jordach PilzAdam, #minecraft 21:03 Peacock lol 21:03 Jordach Calinou, can attest :P 21:03 Calinou don't use "retard" as insult 21:04 Peacock a bit late for that calinou, 21:04 PilzAdam how was that a insult? 21:04 Peacock i stopped counting the number of admins, devs and moderators who do lol 21:04 Peacock and i've heard worse from some of them too lol 21:05 Peacock so how many of you hang out on #mc? 21:05 Calinou #minecraft sucks 21:06 PilzAdam -# 21:06 Jordach Peacock, me, jojoa, Calinou, sfan5 21:06 Peacock spying or trading allegiances? :P 21:08 specing lol 21:08 Peacock just making a list for when the revolution comes XD 21:08 specing Peacock: road goes to 6500 now 21:08 specing proller: ^ 21:08 Peacock how do you mix peacock and proller? 21:09 specing did it, not me 21:09 proller specing, surface found? 21:09 proller i dig some stairs up at 6000+ 21:09 PilzAdam specing, but you did 21:09 Peacock ah well, my eye sight is getting pretty bad... was reading labels out loud in the store, and said "charming cat litter for multiple cats" , on closer inspection the word was clumping 21:10 proller specing, and please. build 1 width now, dont spend time to 3 21:10 specing proller: not 21:10 specing proller: is that not the main mountain? 21:10 proller no! 21:10 specing k 21:11 proller ~30% complete 21:11 specing proller: also about those 3 width: 21:11 proller now first Intresting mountain started 21:11 Peacock cant you rig a mod that creates a 3-wide road on the surface along a set of coords? 21:11 specing 1) I do three so theres time for the server to ack the placement and I don't fall down 21:11 proller it have coooool top 21:11 specing 2) I need to use all the cobbles I mine somehow 21:12 specing Peacock: Has been done, look at the workers mod 21:12 proller place cobble to chests 21:12 Peacock so why not use that? 21:12 Peacock could save a lot of trouble lol 21:13 Peacock "place cobble in chest for rockin' tits" :p 21:13 specing proller: can be destoroyed by TNT 21:13 proller its cobble, not mese ;) 21:14 VanessaE um, are dashes allowed in a texture filename? 21:14 Peacock /\ ? 21:14 VanessaE no, dash - minus 21:15 Peacock oh, i know the french name for that, in english i just call it minus lol 21:15 VanessaE trying to sort out a player texture issue 21:15 Peacock why not? 21:15 Peacock though underscores would be more uniform with everything else 21:16 PilzAdam bye 21:16 Peacock could try double underscores 21:18 VanessaE ok, confirmed. 21:18 VanessaE a username can have a dash but the SKIN FOR IT cannot! 21:18 VanessaE at least not in pilzadam's player textures mod 21:19 Peacock out of curiosity, how do you manage player files? (do you have a shitton of them?) 21:20 VanessaE each server has its own standard player files dir, I don't usually mess with them 21:20 Peacock so you might have 20 or 30K of them? 21:20 VanessaE naw 21:20 VanessaE closr to 6-7k because I deny "Guestxxxx" and gibberish names and the like 21:21 Peacock i did too, still managed accrue 5K files in a week :/ 21:21 Peacock and theres nothing i can do to block people logging in with multiple "fdusdfhhls" names 21:22 Peacock allright well i'll file an issue requesting a (safe) delete_player_file() function 21:25 Jordach fuck! 21:25 Peacock indeed 21:25 Jordach i'm seeing mesh armature within youtube videos 21:26 Peacock my YT keeps crashing 2 minutes into any video, its getting quite annoying 21:26 Jordach i'm able to track bone movements and rotations 21:26 Peacock i thought they didn't use flash video anymore, why YT it still suck on linux? 21:28 Jordach Peacock, bull 21:28 Jordach the flash player for ubuntu works fine here 21:29 Peacock yeah but when i complained about YT/flash crashing, someone here told me YT doesn't use flash anymore 21:29 Peacock so Y U STILL crash youtube? 21:30 Peacock im half-tempted to change my debian repos but that could bork crunchbang 21:32 specing Peacock: you should really protect the road 21:32 specing proller ^ 21:32 Peacock lol 21:33 proller too long 21:33 specing Peacock: plus those idiots are building cobble towers at spawn, I really have no fcking idea why and where they get those cobbles 21:33 specing proller: ^ 21:33 Peacock doublelol 21:33 proller simpler to repair once per day 21:33 Peacock + roflcopter 21:33 proller initial stuff 21:33 proller you have 99 cobble on new player 21:33 proller and pick 21:34 proller simpler to disable it 21:34 specing Peacock: so is it that expensive to run the areas protection mod? I was on one server that had lots of these + it was vanilla minetest and it ran fine 21:34 specing proller: ^ 21:34 Peacock might be easier to just type proller in future :p 21:35 specing Peacock: 99 cobble ?!?!? look at the spawn, its a clus*****ck; clean it with some mese nukes ;/ 21:35 specing proller: ^ 21:35 proller but mese nuke disabled 21:36 specing Peacock: how many mountains are there past 7000 until the main one? 21:36 specing Peacock: and what are their heights? (so I know how to plan the road) 21:36 specing proller: ^ 21:36 specing Peacock: /give :) 21:36 specing proller: ^ 21:36 Peacock Led Zeppelin - Whole lotta Fail 21:37 specing I should probably stop deliberately highlightinh Peacock now, I is getting kinda unfun 21:37 Peacock i dont mind but the red text always make people look pissed off lol 21:37 Peacock REDRUM 21:37 specing !rainbow Peacock this better? :D 21:37 MinetestBot 4P4e4a7c7o7c8k8 8t3h3i3s12 12b12e6t6t6e13r13?13 4:4D 21:38 Peacock not really part of my name is shit-coloured 21:38 proller height increased 21:38 specing proller: ? 21:38 proller after 7000 - maybe 3-4 21:38 proller i dont know 21:38 specing what do you mean increased? 21:38 specing proller: can you render a heightmap image? 21:41 proller http://wiki.mandelbulber.com/images/0/0f/Image_-_hypercomplex.jpg 21:42 specing proller: so that is the Road?! 21:42 proller maybe 8) 21:42 specing also is there a bigger image? 21:43 proller no, but you can make it with mandelbulber 21:43 specing proller: so the final mountais is actually two to the left and right? 21:43 proller no, center 21:44 specing so the thumbnail is as it is viewed from the right? 21:45 proller spawn on end of long spike 21:47 proller http://mandelbulber.com/download.php - 21:47 proller install, load hypercomplex from exabples 21:51 specing ah it is in repo 21:51 specing will install 22:15 specing proller: julia or ambiient occlusion one? 22:15 proller фьишуте 22:15 proller ambient 22:24 blaise ehrm 22:32 specing blaise: mrhe 22:33 blaise anyone here use gentoo? 22:35 VanessaE -funroll-loops ;) 22:50 specing blaise: yes 22:50 iqualfragile blaise: only freaks 22:50 specing If one can find me a better distro... 22:51 specing (hint: I've tried hard)