Time Nick Message 00:18 NekoGloop http://i.imgur.com/hfCVKIH.png 00:19 kaeza NekoGloop, FF9? 00:19 NekoGloop FF9. 00:20 kaeza been ages since I played that one 00:20 kaeza BTW, cheater ;) 00:20 NekoGloop HAMMER TIME 00:25 NekoGloop also 255 ultima weapons 00:25 NekoGloop all the moneys 00:42 EvergreenTree Good grief is it winter outside 00:43 EvergreenTree It's about 0 degrees farenheit outside 00:43 kaeza no, it's summer 00:43 EvergreenTree plus wind chill 00:43 EvergreenTree kaeza, :P 00:43 kaeza :D 01:09 VanessaE NekoGloop: https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=126966#p126966 01:10 NekoGloop nyan rainbows are expensive? 01:12 VanessaE yes 01:12 VanessaE but I was...pointing at the last message. 01:13 NekoGloop why are nyan rainbows expensive? 01:13 VanessaE um... 01:14 VanessaE oh nevermind :P 01:14 VanessaE because they can be used to craft nyan cats, which should be expensive as fuck? :) 01:14 NekoGloop so what's the recipe 01:15 VanessaE "* Nyan cats/rainbows can be crafted as well, but are extremely expensive by design. In any positions in the crafting grid, place one of the above rainbow blocks along with one each of default diamond, steel, copper, bronze, gold, and Mese blocks, and one each of silver and Mithril blocks from the Moreores mod. Yields exactly one Nyan cat rainbow. 01:15 VanessaE * Craft nine Nyan cat rainbows to get one Nyan cat itself." 01:16 VanessaE ("above rainbow block" = the usual cheap gloopblocks rainbow made with dyes, mese crystal, and stone)) 01:17 * VanessaE wonders why her scale-everything script didn't catch those larger recipe images... 01:19 NekoGloop scaffolding :3 01:19 NekoGloop sexeh scaffolds 01:19 VanessaE yeah but..well...the scaffolds turned out to be of little use in practice, because you can't place anything on top of them :P 01:20 VanessaE you can only expand them from the bottom apparently. 01:21 NekoGloop I'm going to have to call bullshit 01:21 NekoGloop mmm.... 01:22 NekoGloop call of bullshit failed. 01:22 VanessaE lol 01:23 VanessaE there we go, fixed the images that needed resized. 01:40 * EvergreenTree is going to attempt to compile rigs of rods 01:40 EvergreenTree and install the dependencies 02:57 ShadowNinja sfan5: So people can't do things like ,,(echo !rainbow test) 02:57 ShadowBot !rainbow test 02:57 MinetestBot 4t4e4s7t 03:01 VanessaE this by you is a rainbow? :P 03:05 Peacock who's buying who a rainbow? i'd rather have a mercedes 03:05 VanessaE bbl 03:08 Enke !rainbow rainbows 03:08 MinetestBot 4r4a4i7n7b7o8w8s 03:08 Peacock red, brown and yellow lol 03:08 Peacock reminds me of a food recall i read about recently 03:12 Enke !rainbow A message long enough to get the entire spectrum 03:12 MinetestBot 4A4 4m7e7s7s8a8g8e3 3l3o12n12g12 6e6n6o13u13g13h4 4t4o7 7g7e8t8 8t3h3e3 12e12n12t6i6r6e13 13s13p4e4c4t7r7u7m 03:12 Enke That's better. 03:14 jojoa1997 03:14 jojoa1997 !rainbow Rrraaaiiinnnbbbooowww 03:14 MinetestBot 4R4r4r7a7a7a8i8i8i3n3n3n12b12b12b6o6o6o13w13w13w 03:15 jojoa1997 yay it works 04:23 reactor Who throws a cupcake. Honestly? 04:24 Peacock better than a flaming bag of dog feces i suppose :/ 04:28 reactor A lot. 04:29 reactor Besides, cupcakes are exploitable: you can eat them afterwards. 04:29 reactor Got to shave your head to be able to do that. I should have thought about it. 05:47 xiong Okay, it's time to find an identifier. I've knocked my head against this for some time. 05:48 xiong The referent is the entire configuration of a Minetest server *except* the world map. 05:49 us_0gb "conf", maybe? 05:49 us_0gb Or "config"? 05:49 xiong Therefore if you copied it from, say, Alfie, you could start a new, virgin world but it would work the same as Alfie's -- same mods, same configuration of them. 05:49 Peacock in the hareem, there are hundreds of virgin worlds :P 05:50 xiong Um, yeh... but "conf*" is heavily overloaded as it is; and generally has a much narrower meaning. 05:50 xiong 'star', perhaps; or 'religion'. 05:51 xiong 'star' in that a star system is a collection of worlds; 'religion' in that it is a set of laws that govern any world. 05:51 us_0gb I found a nice virgin world I like with a small isle in the center. Bigger land is very close. 05:51 xiong -- ha ha, according to that religion. 05:51 Peacock naw what you want is a nice pair of big isles :P 05:51 xiong However both of those are likely poor choices because they require explanation. 05:52 xiong Come come, guys; you are all supposed to be bright, creative people. Show a dull old man how it's done. 05:52 Peacock creative perhaps, the jury's still out on bright 05:52 us_0gb No, the small isle is nice. It makes a great spawn area. 05:55 us_0gb xiong: I'm not sure exactly what you are after. A couple sentences in, and I realized I needed more context. What are you doing and why? 05:56 xiong Don't get excited, nothing here but the README, which is provisional: https://github.com/Xiong/rhea 05:57 xiong The basic idea is that you should be able to place as much of your server under version control that you can push, and another person pull, and instantly deploy your world on his server -- minus the gigantic map and perhaps the player files. 05:58 xiong I suppose both are a matter of discretion. 05:59 xiong The *other* basic idea is that when you start fooling with your server, you can push any edited mods by themselves and submit a pull req; so upstream can benefit. 05:59 xiong Therefore submodules. 05:59 us_0gb That sounds like it could be done in Git with a few files left out. I forget what file you have to edit in the repo to do that, but it's already coded. 05:59 Peacock like hell lol i dont want to be responsible for the changes i make, a lot of people would find them offensive :P 05:59 xiong Yes, all the heavy lifting is done with git. 06:00 xiong Peacock, you may be the equivalent of a lurker. You may (or may not) want to pull somebody else's FOO; you won't want to push. Fine. 06:00 xiong -- The current task is to name FOO. 06:01 xiong The point being that it is not a single world but a... set of parallel worlds. All such worlds have the same initial conditions. 06:01 Peacock well automatically sending data isn't that different from the proprietary apps who phone home which people in the these circles claim to abhor :p 06:01 Peacock *-the 06:02 us_0gb I don't think this is automatic, and if it is, it's surely opt-in. I hope. 06:02 xiong Semi-auto, then. That's irrelevant. You're free to criticize the device once I build it. Just now I'm trying to decide what to call the object it manages. 06:02 xiong Is git push automatic? 06:02 xiong I mean, you don't have to do that. 06:02 us_0gb But yeah, there's a reason I don't have a cell phone. 06:03 xiong Fewer than eight letters, if I had my druthers. 06:04 Peacock meh, if the gov't has money to waste to track my cellphone, than my taxes are obviously too high 06:04 us_0gb It's not only the government, but everyone else as well. 06:05 Peacock who else tracks cellphones? 06:06 xiong 'cow'? 'basket'? 'galaxy'? 'pantheon'? 06:06 us_0gb Mostly the government, as you said, as well as the service providers. 06:06 xiong Or just 'gods'? 06:07 xiong Should probably avoid plural. 'god'? 06:07 Peacock well i'd expect that from service providers, the whole idea of the free market is you don't have to do business with people you don't trust 06:07 Peacock phone, cable and electrical companies know where you live too :P 06:08 us_0gb I don't trust anyone that won't show me the code of the device they expect me to carry around with me. 06:09 us_0gb I don't trust the electrical company with my data. You have a point on cable and phone though. 06:09 Peacock doesnt that include almost everything though? 06:09 us_0gb No word I can come up with sems to be a good fit, xiong. 06:09 Peacock cars, computers at work, all those automated helplines, etc. 06:09 Peacock will you ask to see the code to the parking meters before paying? lol 06:10 Peacock hell you're not even safe shopping at target, but you have to get on with your life 06:10 us_0gb Cars don't have my data. I'm not sure what sort of helpline would have my data. I certainly don't give the computer at work my data, the thing runs Windows, I know I can't trust it. 06:10 xiong Well, I like the system here in Oakland; you put your money in and it prints a paper receipt you stick on your dash. At least you see what you got for your money; once you walk away from your car, no 'computer error' can steal your time. 06:10 Peacock cars have all sorts of sensors and computers 06:11 us_0gb THe parking meters and Target don't have my data. 06:11 Peacock they do if you pay with cards lol 06:12 Peacock come to think of it, you can't go anywhere with cameras either because of biometrics 06:12 us_0gb Cars have sensors and computers, but they don't have my sensitive data the way cell phones are expected to these days. 06:12 Peacock well i'd think knowing everywhere you've been (in your car) would be sensitive data... 06:12 us_0gb Peopl eput their lives in their cell phones. This involves a high level of trust. 06:13 Peacock those chipped transit passes 06:13 us_0gb I don't care if people know where I've been. 06:13 Peacock well what makes you think you can trust your PC more? 06:14 Peacock one of the last snowden articles i read spoke about usb cables with antennas built-in 06:14 Peacock you can't ask to see the code to that if you don't know it's there 06:15 us_0gb I can see every line of code that is run on the computer. Or at least I will once the one I ordered arrives. It has been audited countless times. While I can't trust people will look out for me, I can trust they will look out for themselves by bringing these issues to light and having them fixed. 06:15 us_0gb I didn't know about the USB cables thing. THat's scary. 06:15 Peacock well then the next obvious vector for someone wanting to snoop is to compromise one of the auditors 06:16 us_0gb Anyone anywhere can audit this thing. You'd have to compromise a lot of auditors. 06:16 Peacock i read some article a long while back about some suspicious attempt to insert code in the linux kernel or some other core component 06:17 Peacock yeah but the point is, if you're going to worry about these things all the time, then you have to audit the whole thing yourself 06:17 us_0gb Yeah. Linux is full of issues, particularly in the proprietary parts, as they cannot be audited. 06:17 Peacock naw im talking about someone trying to insert some innocuous looking code into the kernel itself, not one of the blobs 06:18 us_0gb I don't trust my skills at auditing. I do trust the collective skills and paranoia of thousands though. 06:18 Peacock wish i had a link but this wasn't a recent read 06:18 us_0gb It happens. Then it get caught and removed. 06:18 Peacock well anyone who's paranoid knows if someone wants to get to you, they'll go through the people you trust :P 06:19 us_0gb But yeah. Even the BIOS on this thing is free. It's a lot harder to keep back doors secret on this thing. 06:19 Peacock usually friends or family (see stasi) 06:19 Peacock you're not talking about that fsf approved laptop from 2006? 06:19 us_0gb Good luck. I trust no one. Not even my friends and family. THough I could be gotten through them, most like. 06:20 us_0gb Yeah, that thing. 06:20 us_0gb THe processor will be a downgrade from what I have now, but the rest of the laptop will be an upgrade. My current machine sucks. 06:21 xiong Yes. High electronic security is pointless unless you also defend against physical attack. Certainly a bit of prudence is wise; but before the NSA spends a year cracking your hard drive, the CIA will put fire to your feet. 06:21 us_0gb More RAM, more disk space, hardware that functions, plus a microphone. 06:21 xiong "'Forgot' your password, eh?" *zzsst* "Remember it now?" 06:21 Peacock you'd think with the enormous price tag you could have put it together yourself for cheaper though 06:22 us_0gb I don't know how to flash the BIOS correctly. I hope one day to learn, but not yet. 06:23 us_0gb Plus, you're paying for the convenience. 06:23 us_0gb When getting something convenient, you always pay one way or another. 06:24 Peacock i wouldn't pay for an 8 year old laptop though, unless it was like 50$ 06:25 Peacock + the hd firmware is proprietary 06:25 Peacock (looking up specs now) 06:25 reactor You better stop worrying about crappy firmware and start worrying about x86. 06:25 reactor It's made of kludges. 06:27 reactor With monoculture of x86 in commonly available consumer hardware, we're out of options in both questions. 06:27 Peacock "320 dollars for single core with 1GB of RAM 60GB HDD 1024x768?" please tell me those aren't your specs :/ 06:27 us_0gb Peacock: THe firmware in a hard drive cannot be replaced though, to the best of my knowledge. It's basically just a part of the hardware. 06:28 reactor And meh. Personally, I'd better buy an older, but reliable machine. 06:28 us_0gb 3GB RAM, 120GB disk space. 06:28 Peacock my netbook is an atom n450 with a gig of ram and 250gb hdd, better resolution on a smaller LED screen, and i paid half that 06:28 reactor That's the price you pay for reliability. 06:28 us_0gb If you know a more reliable free machine, let me know and I'll look into switching. 06:28 reactor Either that, or pay more money for both modern and reliable hardware, which is unaffordable. 06:29 us_0gb THe more modern hardware is less free though. 06:29 reactor Idk. 06:29 Peacock intel? 06:29 reactor There must be options, we need to find them. 06:29 us_0gb I wanted a THinkPenguin, but the BIOS is nonfree, unlike the x60. 06:30 Peacock i dont really care about free machines, mine need to powerful, both minetest and bluray movies are resource guzzlers lol 06:30 Peacock well an intel cpu is nonfree either with that microcode 06:30 reactor I wonder... are there any SPARC laptops still made? 06:30 Peacock good question 06:30 us_0gb THat's understandable. You need power. But I need freedom. Different machines for different needs. 06:31 reactor Heh. I need both. Because computations. 06:31 reactor Crappy hardware is jammed down our throats. 06:32 reactor That's because every idiot can use computers nowadays. 06:32 Peacock apparently coreboot applies microcode binary blobs from cpu vendors 06:32 Peacock though the FSF might have stripped out the bugfixes 06:33 us_0gb Power would be nice. I'm not sure if this thing will run Minetest well. But I know what I have now no longer runs Minetest playably anyway. 06:33 reactor It's more profittable to produce crap that fully supports Windows or other garbage that is "accessible by 2 years old". 06:33 us_0gb Peacock: The FSF didn't strip that out, but the laptop seller did. 06:33 reactor Minetest works fine on a 3 years old machine. 06:33 reactor And that X60 has similar specs. 06:34 reactor I would say, it's an acceptable option. 06:35 us_0gb It would be nice to be able to join the game again. 06:35 us_0gb I don;t know when it will arrive though. 06:37 reactor What happened to your system? 06:38 us_0gb I removed the proprietary firmware. 06:38 reactor ANd broke it? 06:38 reactor s/N/n/ 06:39 reactor That thins is not worth the effort. It's gambling on your machine's brickability. 06:39 reactor s/ns/ng/ 06:39 us_0gb It's not "broken" per se, but it doesn't function well graphically any more. 06:39 reactor And no firmware packages are available for download to roll back? 06:40 Peacock lol, this religion needs to die 06:40 us_0gb The firmware stored in the hard drive as part of the operating system, not other firmware built into the components. 06:40 reactor Ask someone who owns the same machine to dump their ROM? 06:40 reactor s/the // 06:40 us_0gb I could put it back with no trouble, I just refuse to. 06:40 reactor Oh. 06:40 reactor Well, in your case I would use what works better. 06:41 reactor That's how I ended up accepting NVIDIA binary blob. 06:41 us_0gb Yeah. I know, I'm nuts. 06:41 us_0gb That might be the one I need. 06:41 reactor It wither works reliably with binary blob, or works mediocrely with open driver. 06:41 reactor s/wit/eit/ 06:42 reactor If you don't like the idea of such machines spying on you, you can encrypt disks and memory. 06:42 reactor But it's better just not to let any of sensitive data there. 06:43 reactor Removes all trouble. 06:43 us_0gb Still, I'd rather replace the machine. Once I have the new machine to use as my main one, I might put the blob on the nonfunctioning machine just to it isn't garbage, but it won't really hold anything important. 06:44 us_0gb The machine decrypts the data to use it though. YOu can't encrypt a machine to protect it from itself. Or at least, I don't understand how you could. 06:44 reactor Oh. 06:44 reactor Yes. I didn't think about it. 06:44 reactor Well, you can greatly reduce risks, never eliminate. 06:44 us_0gb Plus, there's more than just spying. Antifeatures, freedom, knowledge, lock in ... 06:44 Peacock i have a hard time understanding where a lot of this paranoia comes from, for what possible reason would anyone want to spy on you? 06:45 reactor How is working video an antiefature, us_0gb? 06:45 us_0gb Spying isn't even the main issue for me personally, Peacock. 06:45 Peacock okay so it's more the lock-in? 06:45 reactor Also, we don't usually deal with anything top secret, do we? 06:46 us_0gb reactor: AMD says their blob has DRM, which *is* an antifeature. 06:46 reactor And how is it lock-in if you can still use a free OS on it? 06:46 reactor Have you encountered it? 06:46 us_0gb You're locked into using their version of the firmware. 06:46 Peacock DVD players have encryption and region locking, cable providers scramble their channels, what do you do for entertainment? 06:46 reactor You sure you're talking about Digital Rights Management, not Direct Rendering M(something?)? 06:46 us_0gb I've encountered the lock in. Not the DRM though. 06:47 us_0gb Yes, the former. 06:47 us_0gb Peacock: Games, music, usually not movies, though just because I don't like movies. 06:48 Peacock well there are foreign films :P 06:48 Peacock something tells me you'd like The Lives of Others (Das Leben der Anderen) 06:49 us_0gb I haven't seen a whole lot of films that were worth my time, so I don't seek out films. 06:49 us_0gb I'll look into that one though. 06:49 us_0gb re specifically brought to my attention. 06:49 Peacock well half of movie watching is either to pass the time or as a social thing 06:50 Peacock in my case you can chalk it up to insomnia lol 06:50 Peacock especially when the seasons change, i get pretty much caught up lol 06:50 reactor People still want to pass time? 06:50 us_0gb Like I have time to pass ... I waste too much of my time either playing games or talking on IRC. 06:51 Peacock reactor hell yeah, i once worked in a store that opened a month before the street closed, for a year and a half all i had to do was watch movies lol 06:51 reactor Depressed? 06:52 Peacock a store with no customers? yeah lol 06:52 us_0gb I also wasted a lot of time trying to get Aptitude to function. As soon as I find a solution to clean up the messes Aptitude likes to leave on my system, it stopped leaving messes. So much time lost. 06:52 Peacock try pacman for a few months, you'll love apt 06:53 us_0gb Pacman ... was that one Arch? 06:53 reactor apt != aptitude 06:53 reactor aptitude is some frontend 06:53 Peacock well whatever the fark synaptic uses lol 06:53 Peacock pacman is arch's woefully inadequate package manager 06:53 us_0gb I know, Aptitude has better dependency handling than APT. 06:54 reactor Arch Linux has gone completely mad, I heard. 06:54 Peacock pacman installs shit in any order it likes, usually breaking system upgrades, and half the apps you really want are on aur, so you need something else on top :P 06:54 us_0gb Arch seems a bit unfriendly to me. 06:54 Peacock i switched away from arch 6-9 months ago 06:55 Peacock bleeding edge sounds cool in the beginning, until you realize you're the first to file bug reports, and are frequently left with broken installs :P 06:56 us_0gb I might try the free version of Arch when I have time to kill. But that does not happen often. My live USB creating software doesn't like the ISO, and I don't want to burn a CD. SO I probably first need to learn to use dd or something. 06:56 reactor They jammed systemd down their users' throats. 06:56 Peacock and no one takes your bug reports seriously until the ubuntu/debian/redhat crowd get the latest version and start filing them too lol 06:56 Peacock ogb well you might like arch hurd (or hurd arch?) 06:57 Peacock last i read systemd was all over the place 06:57 Peacock but hell, that's no different from pulseaudio which nobody wanted either 06:57 reactor pulseaudio... don't remind me of that headache 06:57 us_0gb Maybe, if there's a free version of that as well. WHat I really look forward to though is Guix. 06:57 Peacock with alsa my onboard intel sound just works, with pulse it doesn't, and they blame my hardware lol 06:57 reactor Its name is appropriate. Some people got it giving only a short piece of audio and dying! 06:58 reactor I never understood the underlying stuff of alsa. 06:58 Peacock pulse as is pulsating screeches and blow subwoofers lol 06:58 reactor Why don't Linux folks like OSS? 06:58 Peacock i hear it's dead 06:58 reactor It lives and prospers. 06:58 Peacock oss, oss4, and jackd 06:58 reactor On all BSD. 06:59 Peacock if BSD had a live image that booted up into a desktop, i would seriously consider it 06:59 reactor jack is for realtime audio. 06:59 reactor It has live image. No desktop, though. 06:59 us_0gb I don't know anything about sound. I'll take whatever is free and works. 06:59 reactor You don't need desktop when restoring your machine after a crash. 06:59 reactor Why bother? 06:59 Peacock sound: ill take whatever works, and that's rare enough :P 07:00 reactor The only thing that worked out of the box for me was OSS. In some cases, ALSA. 07:00 Peacock i still have fond memories of pre-win 3 days :P id rather boot into a desktop, even if it's minimal like openbox 07:00 reactor Pulse always caused problems. 07:00 us_0gb You don't need a desktop to restore your system if you're tech savy ... but what if you're not? 07:01 reactor Why care about those who aren't? 07:01 reactor Because of those people we have crappy hardware and crappy software. 07:01 us_0gb I'm one who's not, for one thing. So I need to find something that works for me. 07:01 Peacock well you can know your way around a computer without necessarily wanting to remember all the terminal kung-fu to get shit back to working condition :P 07:02 us_0gb Peacock: For the record, I do not recommend this, but in the spirit of knowledge ... there are versions of BSD with preinstalled desktops. Such as PC-BSD. 07:02 Peacock computers are supposed to help you get work done, they're not supposed to be the subject of work itself, unless you're in IT 07:02 reactor It's not kung-fu. It's basics. 07:02 reactor Everyone using UNIX should know it. 07:03 reactor It's essential to know at least how to operate fsck. 07:03 reactor I am not a computer specialist, either. But those things never got in my way. 07:03 reactor They just work. 07:03 us_0gb See, I don't know how to operate fsck. Nor am I sure why I should have to. 07:03 Peacock i knew how to operate the windows version of chkdsk before they evolved beyond the shell, having to relearn this shit for unix seems like a step back 07:04 reactor All those GUI gimmicks only work in good conditions. When something breaks, it becomes a nightmare. 07:04 Peacock well obviously in opensource GUI experience is terrible because it's all balkanized 07:04 Peacock i set a theme and some apps decide "fuck that" and draw with their own set of ugly colors and fonts lol 07:04 reactor Because frontends to fsck are not available in single-user mode. 07:05 us_0gb When it becomes a nightmare, you pay your tech-savvy friend to help you fix it, reactor. 07:05 reactor And if your file system is not clean, you can't go multiuser. 07:05 reactor When it becomes a nightmare, it's better to go "fuck this shit" and learn the proper way. 07:05 reactor More profittable in the long term. 07:05 us_0gb Another option is to back up your data and reinstall. THat usually fixes my problems, though is inconvenient. 07:06 Peacock i did once rescue an old laptop by mapping out the bad sectors, but i dont remember how to do that know... thats the thing, you can learn all these things, but if you dont use them often enough you forget 07:06 Peacock *know = now 07:06 Peacock and if you're doing it often, then you obviously have a shit OS lol 07:07 us_0gb Or you're the tech-savvy friend everyone calls. Or you're an actual repair guy. 07:16 reactor us_0gb: that is lame 07:16 reactor Not meaning to offend. I used to do that back in the day. 07:16 reactor I don't like the idea of outsouring repair of my systems. 07:17 reactor Every time I did that I wasn't satisfied. They either screwed up my data or my electronics. 07:17 reactor Most IT repairmen here are idiots with crooked hands. 07:18 us_0gb No offense taken. I don't outsource my repairs either, I just use my biggest hammer: the OS reinstallation media. It fixes almost any problem. 07:18 reactor Peacock: growing number of bad sectors is an indication of imminent disk failure. 07:18 Peacock well it did die a year later :P 07:18 reactor Exactly, but knowing proper utils saves time in that. 07:19 us_0gb But I also don't think everyone can be good at everything. Learning fsck isn't a task everyone wants to take on. 07:20 reactor Gotta scramble. o/ 07:22 us_0gb I keep trying to use a light theme for my desktop as they have better applications support ... but they're so ugly! I wish applications had better support for dark themes. 07:31 Peacock well 95% of xfce works with dark themes 07:33 us_0gb True. I shouldn't complain about the part that doesn't. 07:34 Peacock well i think it's only qt apps that dont behave but there's a fix somewhere on the net 07:35 us_0gb Qt ... I'll look into that. If it's as simple as not using Qt applications, that's a simple fix. 07:36 Peacock unless you like vlc like me lol 07:36 Peacock or you run razor-qt (the QT de) 07:38 us_0gb VLC has issues when I try to use it. It looks nice, but isn't worth the hassle of dealing with an application that refuses to shut down even with killall. 07:38 Peacock i think you have to use kill -9 pid 07:40 us_0gb The [X] should close it though. It doesn't do that on my system. And VLC isn't even frozen, it still reacts and plays media. 07:41 Peacock well alot of apps do that, used to have a forcekill applet for gnome 2 07:43 us_0gb Yeah, well. I'd rather have a media player that does as I ask it to. I should use Parole, the Xfce media player, but I can't get it working, so I use gnome-mplayer. 07:43 us_0gb I hardly ever have media to play anyway. 07:43 Peacock i cant stand the performance or quality of mplayer 07:44 us_0gb I don't know what I'm doing when it comes to media. It figgures that I'd choose a poor media player. 07:45 Peacock they all suck one way or another lol 07:46 us_0gb THat sounds like music players. I've yet to find a good one of those. 07:48 Peacock music players, they all have good features, but no one player has all the good features 07:48 Peacock or they try to sort my collection into a different folder structure then what i setup lol 07:55 us_0gb I find it difficult to find music players that don't try to play everything on my hard drive when I tell them to play one song but also incorporate a music manager. 07:56 Peacock yeah because nothing beats a mix of classical, jazz, old rock and house lol 07:57 us_0gb Many things on my drive aren't even music. I'm listening to music, then BAM, now it's my alarm clock buzzer. 08:00 Peacock imagine those players that mixes audio with video lol 09:20 OldCoder Hi 09:20 OldCoder Does anybody have contacts with Minerealms? If I remember the name correctly. I was asked to host the project and said yes. But I didn't hear back. 09:21 OldCoder RealBadAngel, VanessaE, ShadowNinja, Taoki, sfan5 ^ 12:26 PilzAdam Hello everyone! 12:27 sfan5 hi everyone 12:27 sfan5 hi everyone 12:27 sfan5 s/.+// 12:34 PilzAdam are my headphones broken? 12:38 VanessaE good morning 12:41 reactor 200 "3DPABCTBYNTE" 12:45 reactor 200 "If you don't know Russian, time to learn it." 12:45 PilzAdam 199 GOTO 201 12:46 reactor Same as Latin D. 12:46 reactor English* 12:46 reactor ZD 12:46 reactor Д = D 12:47 reactor I hate how inventors of Russian script used hipster characters. 12:47 reactor They could have used ASCII. 12:47 reactor Yeah. 12:48 reactor The most worthless of them all. 12:48 PilzAdam they were hipster before it was hipster to be hipster 12:48 reactor Heheh. 12:48 reactor yeah 12:49 reactor zdravstvujte 12:49 reactor ^that's simpler, isn't it? 12:49 reactor also, s/и/й/ 12:49 reactor Йййййй Ййййй. 12:49 reactor i = и, j = й 12:50 reactor i j i j i j; и й и й 12:50 reactor a = a 12:50 reactor щ = sch 12:50 reactor ш = sh 12:51 reactor ч = ch 12:51 reactor etc. 12:51 reactor чёлка болельщик? 12:51 reactor Can you translate it to English? 12:51 reactor Because I can't. 12:51 reactor It doesn't make sense in Russian 12:52 PilzAdam I knew it; reactor is a brony 12:53 reactor чёлка is the hair on person's forehead 12:53 reactor болельщик is rather a sport fan 12:53 reactor like football 12:54 reactor we call bronies брони 12:54 reactor okay? 12:54 PilzAdam in germany the hair on person's forehead is called "pony" 12:54 reactor I see. 12:54 reactor PilzAdam: I am not a brony. How did we get in this line of work? 12:54 reactor no 12:54 reactor брони 12:54 reactor broni 12:55 reactor not bronj 12:55 reactor In English, it's brony 12:55 reactor in Russian, broni 12:55 reactor though... hmm 12:55 reactor hmm 12:55 reactor wait a sec 12:55 reactor actually, it's brony 12:55 reactor because that's what y is for 12:56 reactor no... no no no wait 12:56 reactor in transliterated Russian, y is typically used for ы 12:56 reactor so broni 12:56 reactor й is j in transliterated Russian. 12:56 reactor ы is y 12:57 reactor by some 12:58 reactor A B W G D Ee E" Zh Z I J K L M N O P R S T U F H C Ch Sh Sch E U Ja 12:59 reactor Well, idk 12:59 reactor they could have used same set of characters 12:59 reactor one 12:59 reactor so they we wouldn't have to invent those weird charsets to fit them all 13:00 reactor лФЫГШВТШ ЩЦФРГТШАТ! 13:00 reactor as V or W 13:00 reactor depends 13:00 reactor On phonetic keyboard, V is mapped to Ж 13:00 reactor and Q то Я 13:02 reactor I've always seen пиво as pivo. 13:02 reactor probably 13:03 MinetestBot 4♪4♪4♪7♪7♪7♪8♪8♪8♪3♪3♪3♪12♪12♪12♪6♪6♪6♪13♪13♪13♪4♪4♪4♪7♪ 13:05 reactor !rainbow I am pointless. 13:05 MinetestBot 4I4 4a7m7 7p8o8i8n3t3l3e12s12s12. 13:05 reactor Yes you are. 13:05 reactor john_minetest: желатиновый медведь 13:06 reactor Oh, the sort of marmalade? мармеладные мишки 13:06 reactor у вас в учебнике есть наверное 13:10 reactor they're made of gelatine 13:10 reactor marmalade 13:12 reactor yes 13:13 reactor hence marmelade 13:13 reactor yes 13:13 reactor but gelatine makes the most 13:15 reactor interesting 13:15 reactor Well, that means they're junk food then. 15:42 puhfa VanessaE: do you have specs for your servers' hardware somewhere? i have found them pretty lag-free (perhaps ive just been lucky), and theres this one very laggy server where we are trying to solve the lag problem 15:43 VanessaE um 15:43 VanessaE yeah 15:43 VanessaE one sec. 15:44 VanessaE lemme find the page 15:46 VanessaE looks like they aren't offering the package I have, anymore 15:47 VanessaE but it's a dual-core/4-thread Xeon 3.4 GHz, 8GB RAM, 2TB storage, 5TB/mo bandwidth, costs me USD $29/mo 15:50 puhfa okay, thanks 15:50 puhfa seems that we are running on even more powerful setup, so i guess its not the hardware to blame 15:51 puhfa or same cpu but more ram, not that it would matter much with the scripts 15:51 VanessaE maybe just some laggy mod? 15:52 VanessaE this server's on a 100 Mbps network connection also 15:54 kahrl perhaps try these settings: https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=1825 15:54 puhfa yeah, probably a mod that lags 15:54 puhfa or too many mods :P 15:55 puhfa kahrl: ty, the admins have already fiddled with the config but to no avail :( 16:00 proller there is 2 problems: 16:00 proller 1 - mods 16:00 proller 2 - minetest 16:03 puhfa yes, that about sums it up, thank you 16:08 proller or try freeminer, it can be faster 16:11 puhfa we have tried that too 16:11 puhfa now we are disabling or rolling back mods one by one, seems to help a little 16:12 puhfa because the lag is a recent issue 16:12 puhfa well, at its current magnitude at least 16:54 GatesKeeper VanessaE 16:54 VanessaE hm? 16:55 GatesKeeper how do i get to the public irc XD? 16:55 VanessaE irc.inchra.net #minetest 16:55 VanessaE if you mean the one for the servers. 16:55 GatesKeeper yeah 16:55 VanessaE the channel you're in now is for general Minetest chit-chat 16:56 VanessaE this is the main Minetest channel for everything related to the game and its engine 16:57 puhfa and cats 16:57 GatesKeeper oh 16:57 puhfa mostly cats 16:58 * VanessaE puts a kitten on puhfa's head 16:58 puhfa :3 17:02 * Sokomine inspects the kitten 17:02 * Sokomine puts a bowl of milk on the channel 17:06 VanessaE hey soko, 17:06 * puhfa loses his new fuzzy hat 17:07 puhfa well, it was warm as long as it lasted 17:07 Sokomine hi 17:07 Sokomine perhaps the kitten will come back after it got the milk :-) 17:07 VanessaE heh 17:07 puhfa let us hope 17:08 twoelk hi Sokomine, any servers with the new anvil installed allready? 17:10 VanessaE twoelk: my creative and survival should have it. 17:13 twoelk will retry then 17:15 puhfa how laggy is the survival server? 17:16 puhfa because it seems to have both technic and mesecons which we suspected to be the main cause of our lag 17:16 Gateskeeper VanessaE 17:19 Jordach just give the kittens some jeans 17:20 Sokomine thanks for installing it, vanessa :-) hope the repair function is ok 17:21 Sokomine perhaps i can find someone who does sounds for some of the items from cottages. especially the machines/tools could use them i think 17:21 Sokomine i myshelf play with sounds off, but lots of players seem to like sounds 17:22 twoelk nope it does not work, two conflicting anvils 17:22 twoelk at least on VE-S 17:24 VanessaE two anvils? 17:24 VanessaE puhfa: well mesecons has code in hit that limits how much CPU it can take 17:25 VanessaE oh I see 17:25 VanessaE Dan's castles mod has an anvil also 17:25 VanessaE Sokomine: can you provide a recipe in your mod to cross-convert between yours and "castle:anvil" ? 17:29 Sokomine noticed it now...i didn't think of the castles-anvil. that one does not seem to do anything? 17:30 Sokomine hm. what do you suggest? another receipe might be an option. cross-converting..hm, yes, might be another option. but then it would become difficult to get the anvil from castles... 17:30 twoelk at the moment the recipe defaults to castle-anvil, could this be switched? 17:31 Sokomine not really. it is more or less random which receipe will "win". it used to be alphabetically 17:31 Sokomine that cross-converting might really be a good idea. there are not that many anvils around.... 17:32 twoelk I think we could do without castle-anvil, but the rest of castle should be kept 17:32 Sokomine can't disable an existing receipe. vanessa could only disable it locally 17:32 Sokomine but i can provide the conversion receipe. what's the correct name of the castle-anvil? 17:33 twoelk no aliasing? 17:33 VanessaE [01-23 12:25] Sokomine: can you provide a recipe in your mod to cross-convert between yours and "castle:anvil" ? 17:33 VanessaE :) 17:33 VanessaE so, yeah. "castle:anvil" 17:33 twoelk bending triggers? whatever? 17:33 puhfa VanessaE: it has? thanks, that could be useful and worth taking a look at :o 17:33 VanessaE I'm not sure what the castles mod's anvil does, if anything, though 17:34 Sokomine it didn't do anything upon rightclick. probably it's just decorative 17:35 VanessaE probably so 17:43 Sokomine ok. update pushed. ought to work now 17:44 twoelk nothing the anvil does in my version (20140115) of Dan's code 17:45 VanessaE ok, pulled and staged. 17:45 VanessaE I'll deploy it when the server is idle enough. 17:45 twoelk the recipe is in town_item.lua 17:56 Sokomine ok. i used giveme to get the cottages anvil, set up a shop and thrashed the same amount of castle-anvils 18:02 rubenwardy Hi all 18:05 rubenwardy Grrrr. Java's security settings are annoying 18:21 twoelk Sokomine, the anvil works as intended. Now we only have two lookalike hamers, one mends tools and one destroys anvils ;-) 18:41 Sokomine oh :-) hm 18:41 Sokomine perhaps the original hammer is too strong :) 18:41 * Sokomine puts some rubber around it 18:42 Sokomine getting textures is difficult. vanessa pointed this one out to me, and so i took it gladly 18:46 rubenwardy Haggis... and mash?! 18:48 Calinou Sokomine, there is duplication bug in circular saw :( no idea how to fix 18:48 Calinou you got a PM about it on the forum, I think 18:58 EvergreenTree o/ 18:59 * EvergreenTree has been on an adventure attempting to compile all the dependencies of rigsofrods 19:03 EvergreenTree It's not easy 19:03 EvergreenTree to say the least 19:03 EvergreenTree I'm stuck on compiling Caelum 19:03 EvergreenTree did you ever manage to do it? 19:05 EvergreenTree hm 19:06 EvergreenTree How long ago exactly? 19:07 EvergreenTree oh, apparently caelum isn't completely necessary 19:29 EvergreenTree mkay 19:29 EvergreenTree Ogre3d is a pain to install correctly 19:30 EvergreenTree I wonder if there's a rigsofrods irc channel 19:31 fwilson proller: hi, out of curiousity, are you a human? 19:32 proller no 19:32 fwilson ah ok, what are you? 19:32 specing proller: did you check out the dungeons? 19:32 fwilson oh good he's a person :) 19:32 specing fwilson: hes a troll 19:32 fwilson k 19:32 proller yes 19:33 specing though he seems to be in relatively normal form right now, for a troll 19:33 * specing takes that back 19:33 troller specing, someone reach 8000 19:34 specing well whatever 19:34 troller and 2000 high 19:34 specing I'm buildign a road to there 19:34 specing Im at 1300 now 19:34 troller goood 19:34 specing I got tired of running on ice and water and climbing falling dirt 19:34 troller build 1x2 for first 19:34 troller its faster 19:35 specing k 19:35 troller dirt now not falling 19:35 specing tunnels are 3x2 for now, some even 3x4 19:35 specing since I need cobbles 19:35 specing for bridges 19:35 troller and i think need to get giveme privs and make mese picks for faster 19:35 specing mese pickaxes help 19:35 specing john_minetest: come help on Road 19:36 troller you can minimize bridges 19:36 troller heigtht increasing after every mountain 19:37 troller and you can find mese on high mountains 19:38 troller Road 19:38 specing john_minetest: Road 19:39 EvergreenTree hm, apparently caelum is needed 19:39 EvergreenTree grrr 19:39 specing troller: err, torch doesen't light up surroundings when it is selected? 19:39 specing troller: I just updated 19:39 troller yes 19:40 troller but only for you 19:42 specing 0.0 19:42 specing :( 19:42 specing I hate you 19:43 troller why 19:55 specing because no torch flashlight 19:55 specing john_minetest: where are you? 19:55 specing troller: also you refuse to apply my TNT patch 19:55 troller now i have no time 19:56 troller and resend link to me 20:01 sfan5 !c bin(0x7f) 20:01 MinetestBot '0b1111111' 20:01 puhfa :o does it know decimal too? 20:01 puhfa !c bin(666) 20:01 MinetestBot '0b1010011010' 20:01 puhfa well this thing is useful 20:01 rubenwardy huh. Do they really use 0b like 0x? 20:01 puhfa hex still goes but cant convert dec->bin in my head 20:02 sfan5 puhfa: https://github.com/sfan5/minetestbot-modules/blob/master/calc.py#L19 + all math lib functions 20:02 rubenwardy !c dec(0x11111111) 20:02 MinetestBot Exception: Function not known: 'dec' 20:02 puhfa ty <3 20:02 rubenwardy !c decimal(0x11111111) 20:02 MinetestBot Exception: Function not known: 'decimal' 20:02 sfan5 !c 0x11111111 20:02 MinetestBot 286331153 20:02 sfan5 like thaat 20:02 sfan5 -a 20:02 rubenwardy ah 20:02 rubenwardy !c 0b11111111 20:02 MinetestBot 255 20:03 rubenwardy !c 0b11111111 & 0x11 20:03 MinetestBot Exception: 20:03 sfan5 how useful.. 20:03 rubenwardy !c 0b11111111 & 0b11 20:03 MinetestBot Exception: 20:03 specing troller: you are trolling me, aren't you? 20:04 sfan5 rubenwardy: I'll fix that now 20:04 rubenwardy Is troller proller? 20:04 rubenwardy !c 0b10 >> 1 20:04 MinetestBot Exception: 20:04 rubenwardy :D 20:04 rubenwardy Lets write a program in MinetestBot! 20:05 rubenwardy Make minetestbot like an ALU, and thus make a computer. 20:05 rubenwardy *use 20:06 sfan5 rubenwardy: you could probably do that with map() and other funtions 20:06 sfan5 +c7 20:06 sfan5 s/7/ 20:06 sfan5 / 20:06 sfan5 damnit 20:08 puhfa could we implement a minetest server in minetestbot 20:08 puhfa then it could run a mesecon ircbot... 20:08 sfan5 lol 20:09 rubenwardy Ha 20:09 puhfa i seriously hope i wont live to see the day when socket blocks or something similar is added to mesecons 20:09 puhfa because that would mean somebody actually plans to use them 20:09 puhfa hmm actually it could be a good idea :o 20:10 sfan5 !c 1 > 5 20:10 MinetestBot Exception: AST node type not allowed: 'Compare' 20:12 troller !c а > b 20:12 MinetestBot Exception: invalid syntax (, line 1) 20:12 troller !c 'а' > 'b' 20:12 MinetestBot Exception: AST node type not allowed: 'Compare' 20:12 sfan5 I wish I could just throw stuff into eval() 20:13 specing http://sprunge.us/FVRj troller 20:13 rubenwardy !c random 20:13 MinetestBot Exception: AST node type not allowed: 'Name' 20:14 rubenwardy !c random() 20:14 MinetestBot 0.8233937288312766 20:14 rubenwardy !c 5*"Kittens, " 20:14 MinetestBot 'Kittens, Kittens, Kittens, Kittens, Kittens, ' 20:14 MinetestBot Stop abusing me! 20:14 rubenwardy !c "Ok sorry!" 20:14 MinetestBot 'Ok sorry!' 20:14 rubenwardy Mw ha ha ha! 20:15 specing john_minetest: where are you? 20:16 jojoa1997 !c 5*"rubenwardy" 20:16 MinetestBot 'rubenwardyrubenwardyrubenwardyrubenwardyrubenwardy' 20:16 jojoa1997 MinetestBot, spams ^^^ 20:17 sfan5 oh god whatz 20:17 sfan5 -z 20:17 puhfa !c (int)(5 * random()) 20:17 MinetestBot 4 20:17 puhfa neat 20:17 sfan5 TIL c-like type casting works in python 20:17 sfan5 well.. 20:17 rubenwardy !c random()*10*"jojoa1997 " 20:17 MinetestBot Exception: can't multiply sequence by non-int of type 'float' 20:17 rubenwardy lol 20:18 puhfa :D 20:18 jojoa1997 !c 5*"NOPE! " 20:18 MinetestBot 'NOPE! NOPE! NOPE! NOPE! NOPE! ' 20:18 rubenwardy !c round(random())*10*"jojoa1997 " 20:18 MinetestBot Exception: can't multiply sequence by non-int of type 'float' 20:18 sfan5 essentially (int)(5 * random()) just resolves to int(5 * random()) 20:18 sfan5 !c int((random())*10*"jojoa1997 " 20:18 MinetestBot Exception: unexpected EOF while parsing (, line 1) 20:18 sfan5 damnit PilzAdam 20:18 PilzAdam we should stop this now 20:18 jojoa1997 haha i am unspammable >:D 20:18 puhfa aw 20:18 rubenwardy !c int(random())*10*"jojoa1997 " 20:18 PilzAdam ##minetestbot 20:18 rubenwardy !c int(random())*10*"jojoa1997 " 20:18 MinetestBot '' 20:18 rubenwardy ok 20:18 puhfa !rainbow ohai i'm back 20:18 MinetestBot 4o4h4a7i7 7i8'8m8 3b3a3c12k 20:19 MinetestBot 4m4e4o7w 20:19 * puhfa puts MinetestBot on a kittens head 20:20 rubenwardy !c 'puts a kitten on PilzAdam's head' 20:20 MinetestBot Exception: invalid syntax (, line 1) 20:20 rubenwardy oh# 20:20 rubenwardy !c 'puts a kitten on PilzAdams head' 20:20 MinetestBot 'puts a kitten on PilzAdams head' 20:20 * EvergreenTree is sick of tring to compile ror 20:21 EvergreenTree *trying 20:21 EvergreenTree If only I could figure out how to get caelum to work... 20:28 specing john_minetest: do you have the freeminer client? 20:28 specing john_minetest: latest? 20:32 rubenwardy :O 20:33 PilzAdam bye 20:36 rubenwardy lol PilzAdam.shutdown() 20:57 Jordach wait a sec, MinetestBot interprets python right 20:58 Jordach !c print('bleep bloop') 20:58 MinetestBot SyntaxError: invalid syntax (, line 1) 20:58 Jordach dammit 20:59 sfan5 !c int('bacon'm, base=36) 20:59 MinetestBot SyntaxError: invalid syntax (, line 1) 20:59 sfan5 !c int('bacon', 36) 20:59 MinetestBot 18958775 20:59 sfan5 ^ Jordach: bacon is an integer 20:59 reactor Bacon is not even tasty. 20:59 Jordach !c int('bacon'm, base=2) 20:59 MinetestBot SyntaxError: invalid syntax (, line 1) 20:59 Jordach !c int('bacon', base=2) 20:59 MinetestBot ValueError: invalid literal for int() with base 2: 'bacon' 21:00 Jordach oh hello 21:00 sfan5 base 2 is only 0 and 1 21:00 Jordach sfan5, i've made some Lua to do numeric conversions 21:00 Jordach even then i could patch it to support text 21:00 VanessaE bacon isn't tasty!? blasphemer! BURN THE HERETIC! 21:01 Jordach HERETIC! HERETIC! HERETIC! HERETIC! HERETIC! HERETIC! HERETIC! 21:02 fwilson !c int('10', base=2) 21:02 MinetestBot 2 21:02 fwilson :P 21:02 fwilson wait... 21:02 sfan5 !c bin(2) 21:02 MinetestBot '0b10' 21:02 fwilson oh good :) 21:24 ShadowNinja *Ahem* as nice as fancy bot tricks are, take it to a testing channel. 21:28 MinetestBot GIT: sfan5 commited to minetest/minetest: Include system info in the HTTP user agent on Windows cd7e8372f3 2014-01-23T13:27:13-08:00 http://git.io/DcRp6A 21:35 Jordach ShadowNinja, and, your bot has alot (a lot) of features ;) 21:36 Jordach afaik alot + a lot doesn't trigger it 21:36 ShadowNinja ~give Jordach alot 21:36 ShadowBot Jordach: http://hyperboleandahalf.blogspot.com/2010/04/alot-is-better-than-you-at-everything.html 21:36 Jordach !title 21:36 MinetestBot Jordach: Hyperbole and a Half: The Alot is Better Than You at Everything 21:37 Jordach ShadowNinja, that's aliased to minetest:diamond 21:37 ShadowNinja I removed the message parser a few minutes ago. 21:37 ShadowNinja Huh? 21:37 Jordach [21:36:29] ~give Jordach alot <- aliased ;) 21:37 MinetestBot 4m4u4c7h7 7a8l8o8t3 3v3e12r12y12 6e6n6g13r13i13s4h 21:38 ShadowNinja Jordach: Well, they're called Akas now, they were switched from registry format to SQLite3. 21:39 ShadowNinja MinetestBot: -> ##doge ;-) 21:40 MinetestBot 4I4'4m7 7n7o8t8 8d3o3g3e12,12 12I6'6m6 13k13i13t4t4e4n 21:40 ShadowNinja ~kitten MinetestBot 21:40 * ShadowBot hands MinetestBot a kitten 21:40 ShadowNinja :-D 21:40 MinetestBot meow 21:40 * sfan5 puts a kitten on ShadowNinja's head 21:41 * ShadowNinja pets it and adds it to ShadowBot's pile. 21:41 * ShadowBot hands kittens to everyone. 21:41 Jordach wtf 21:42 Jordach there's a light blue message from Calinou in PM 21:42 Jordach and it's a quit message :( 21:43 ShadowNinja I've changed my colors. I think that shows up as gray for me (barely distinguishable from the regular text) 21:44 Jordach dark blue = chat, light blue = quit / part / other, green = hl 21:44 Jordach i copied the HexChat theme on purpose 21:44 Jordach ShadowNinja, i'd also like to have a quassel core somewhere else ;) 21:45 ShadowNinja Jordach: Poke some people in quassel to add a proper client-side account management system. 21:46 ShadowNinja +# 21:51 VanessaE interesting. I use red for chat, green for quit/part (green/maroon respectively, in channel), and blue for hl (yellow in-channel) 21:53 ShadowNinja Gray activity, blue chat, and red hilight here. With orange hilight lines. 22:26 Jordach ...http://i.imgur.com/XruCp3s.png 22:32 ShadowNinja Looks good. 22:46 cisoun Man... I suck at managing the G+ page... 22:47 cisoun I just posted the 0.4.9 news... meh. 22:47 cisoun Because I can't play to Minetest anymore, I don't follow the latest news. 22:48 ShadowNinja cisoun: You manage the Minetest-c55 G+ page? 22:48 cisoun Yes. 22:49 ShadowNinja \o/ I found him! :-) 22:49 ShadowNinja You should rename it to "Minetest" and give control over it to celeron55/the core team. 22:49 cisoun But I'm thinking about looking for someone to help me. I missed to post the 0.4.7/8 news. 22:50 cisoun Oh right the name. 22:50 cisoun There. 22:50 ShadowNinja We don't have someone assigned to community yet (but it's TODO), so I guess documentation is the closest. (My department) 22:50 cisoun Which in the core team is on G+ ? 22:51 cisoun I mean *Who 22:51 ShadowNinja Does it have a ACL so that you can grant owner-level access to it? 22:51 cisoun I can grant someone else to manage the page. 22:51 cisoun Or at least post in it I think 22:52 ShadowNinja Well, the core team should have full controll over it... 22:53 cisoun I talked about helping me to someone else. I think it was Calinou or something... I don't remember. 23:14 VanessaE holy crap, 33 users on my almost-vanilla server!! 23:14 VanessaE someone please tell me what I did right!? :D 23:57 * cisoun1 is trying Craft (https://github.com/fogleman/Craft). 23:57 cisoun1 Not bad so far. 23:58 cisoun1 I prefer its ambient occlusion.