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Time Nick Message
00:00 ShadowNinja ( http://shadowninja.minetest.net/mods/nuke.tgz )
00:00 Darkangel it is its just a update of it
00:03 john_minetest http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DB4ECZK6M_I
00:03 john_minetest bye
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00:05 Darkangel is it bad to update other peoples mods?
00:06 VanessaE nope
00:07 Darkangel ok
00:07 VanessaE especially if you issue pull requests against the originals
00:07 VanessaE or otherwise inform the original authors of the updates so they can incorporate them
00:15 Darkangel ShadomNinja: how does 1 use ur Jet things in ur nuke pack?
00:16 Darkangel ShadowNinja: how does 1 use ur Jet things in ur nuke pack?... sorry spelt his name wrong
00:16 PilzAdam you also spelled other things wrong
00:16 Darkangel never was a good speller
00:18 ShadowNinja Jet things?
00:18 ShadowNinja Darkangel: ^
00:19 Darkangel oops sorry "missle" sorry they look more like a jet
00:20 ShadowNinja Oh, that isn't complete. But place a base and a controller and load it with a missle.
00:21 Darkangel ok
00:22 ShadowNinja The controller should be facing away from the base two nodes away.
00:24 PilzAdam bye
00:24 ShadowBot Goodbye PilzAdam!
00:25 VanessaE I wonder if he actually saw it?
00:25 ShadowNinja \o/ It worked! :-D
00:25 VanessaE ShadowNinja: it worked last time too, but it missed due to lag
00:26 ShadowNinja VanessaE: No, I mean it got out before he quit.
00:26 VanessaE oh yes
00:27 ShadowNinja He probably has a /shutdown alias.
00:28 VanessaE I really REALLY wish he would stop doing that.
00:30 Darkangel would it be better if the Nuke  actually had real nuke exploding sounds when it goes off?
00:31 VanessaE wouldn't matter to me, my in-game sound is always turned off :)
00:31 Darkangel i c
01:04 cj hmm... looks like --config is not being respected
01:05 VanessaE /usr/local/bin/minetestserver --worldname Survival_World --config /home/minetest/.minetest/mi​netest-server-survival.conf ....
01:05 VanessaE seems to work okay on my server.. :)
01:05 cj version?
01:05 VanessaE (also I use that switch on one of my client launchers)
01:06 cj Minetest 0.4.9
01:06 cj Using Irrlicht 1.7.3
01:06 cj Build info: VER=0.4.9 BUILD_TYPE=Release RUN_IN_PLACE=0 USE_GETTEXT=1 USE_SOUND=1 USE_CURL=1 USE_FREETYPE=1 USE_LUAJIT=1 STATIC_SHAREDIR=/usr/share/games/minetest
01:06 VanessaE been using it since forever, currently 0.4.9 but at least all the back to early in 0.4.x, like 0.4.4 or so
01:07 cj hmmm... I wonder what the deal is.  I set the move keys to ESDF
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01:09 ShadowNinja Use the menu for that.
01:12 cj seems I had multiple actions bound to the same key
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01:16 Darkangel Curious* how do u add smoke for after the explosion
01:16 VanessaE particle spawner
01:16 Darkangel kk
01:16 VanessaE you looking into making technic nuke reactors explode/melt down or something? :)
01:18 VanessaE oh wait, you're talking about that nuke mod thing
01:18 VanessaE in which case, ignore that particle spawner bit
01:19 Darkangel ima lookin on makin a Mushroom cloud when 1 of my nukes explode doin a rework of it
01:19 VanessaE ok
01:21 Darkangel not sure if i can get it made but attempting to make it surely is gonna be a tricky 1
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01:23 VanessaE bbl
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01:38 ShadowNinja Mine uses particles for the effects.
01:39 Enke Hmm?
01:40 ShadowNinja Enke: http://irc.minetest.ru/min​etest/2014-01-19#i_3553420
01:43 Darkangel sweet
01:45 Darkangel ShadowNinja: can ya show me an example of how the code is for particles
01:45 Darkangel ?
01:46 ShadowNinja Darkangel: Yes, my nuke mod. :-)  But you should probably use the new table-based API.
01:46 ShadowNinja See http://dev.minetest.net/minetest.add_particle and http://dev.minetest.net/mi​netest.add_particlespawner
01:48 Darkangel sweet thx
01:51 Darkangel just curous* does 1 need to make different .lua files to do more things or can ya put it all in 1 .lua file?
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01:53 ShadowNinja You *can* put everything in one file.  But you should split it if it starts getting big. (>1K lines or so)
01:54 Darkangel ok
01:54 Darkangel what happens if u do more then 1k lines?
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01:56 ShadowNinja It gets hard to navigate the code.  But you could theoretically have a 1GB file if you wanted.
01:57 Darkangel lol that will be a crazy large mod
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01:59 iqualfragile VanessaE: was it you who is maintaining the minetestmapper-cpp?
02:00 ShadowNinja iqualfragile: No, me, sorta.
02:01 iqualfragile ShadowNinja: bugreport: it renders crap when players are online, i assume that it meets a locked block and gives up or something
02:01 ShadowNinja iqualfragile: Known bug.  I don't know how to fix it though.
02:02 iqualfragile this would be realy nice to have fixed, as you could autogenerate maps
02:04 iqualfragile i might try to find the mistake
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03:10 paramat VanessaE ... and anyone else interested in processing-light rain and snow https://github.com/paramat/snowdrift/commi​t/ba0130336244ba16331b7614fd6ddbe81f54d134
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03:27 harrison https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=​0YPUfVq1f-Q&feature=youtu.be
03:27 harrison just a jeu d'esprit
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05:14 MinetestBot GIT: Uberi commited to Uberi/MineTest-WorldEdit: Fix for player signing off before WorldEdit GUI has finished loading. https://gi 2014-01-18T21:12:34-08:00 http://git.io/dKZowA
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06:22 SirDigby VanessaE whats the server and chan that your mt bots are connected to?
06:22 SirDigby I lost my settings
06:25 ShadowNinja SirDigby: #minetest@irc.inchra.net
06:25 SirDigby ty
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07:46 MinetestBot GIT: kwolekr commited to minetest/minetest: Schematic: Read slice probability table from schematic descriptors 21c96249fa 2014-01-18T23:44:45-08:00 http://git.io/NR0xSw
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07:57 MinetestBot GIT: kwolekr commited to minetest/minetest: LuaVoxelManip: Add get_param2_data and set_param2_data bafc4ac6a1 2014-01-18T23:55:59-08:00 http://git.io/1rq__g
08:02 MinetestBot GIT: kwolekr commited to minetest/minetest: Update lua_api.txt documentation 1146db9956 2014-01-19T00:00:47-08:00 http://git.io/yhpbVg
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08:10 nore hmmmm, thanks!
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09:21 PenguinDad my computer don't want to download freeminer. lol
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10:39 PilzAdam Hello everyone!
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12:59 Jordach http://i.imgur.com/NPjY6KZ.png :P
13:03 MinetestBot GIT: jeija@mesecons.net commited to Jeija/minetest-mod-mesecons: Merge branch 'actionqueue' 8a71f51b26 2014-01-19T04:59:22-08:00 http://git.io/n2JkEQ
13:03 MinetestBot GIT: jeija@mesecons.net commited to Jeija/minetest-mod-mesecons: Fix delayers and disable resuming if not using MESECONS_GLOBALSTEP a632a8abc8 2014-01-19T04:57:11-08:00 http://git.io/KdysJg
13:03 MinetestBot GIT: Jeija commited to Jeija/minetest-mod-mesecons: Merge pull request #144 from Novatux/gates-fix a6bd955449 2014-01-11T23:17:14-08:00 http://git.io/qft3uw
13:03 MinetestBot GIT: Jeija commited to Jeija/minetest-mod-mesecons: Merge pull request #142 from Novatux/actionqueue 6c979a6ebb 2014-01-11T11:19:52-08:00 http://git.io/z4a4lw
13:03 MinetestBot GIT: Novatux commited to Jeija/minetest-mod-mesecons: Make receptor_on/off overwritable, fix a serious bug. fe50e87da1 2014-01-11T11:12:22-08:00 http://git.io/TRLYXA
13:03 Jordach \o/
13:04 Jordach sfan5, ^
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13:04 Jordach well done :P
13:04 Jordach sfan5, gate commit messages by 30 seconds
13:04 sfan5 MinetestBot will rejoin anyway
13:06 PenguinDad Jordach: blender?
13:06 Jordach PenguinDad, correct
13:06 Jordach PenguinDad, http://jordach.deviantart.com/ :D
13:07 Jordach i've moved the location of my renders
13:08 Jordach i actually have to render twice for the blur to activate
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13:13 MinetestBot GIT: jeija@mesecons.net commited to Jeija/minetest-mod-mesecons: Fix #140 by adding a save button to the Player Detector ee3797746f 2014-01-19T05:12:34-08:00 http://git.io/5bI4Vw
13:13 reactor Uh.
13:14 reactor EHLO there.
13:14 reactor Whom can I pass my maps to, so that I can stop worrying about them?
13:14 sfan5 dropbox maybe?
13:15 reactor I think they would be an interesting project for someone with enough spare time; and would like to remove them from my scope.
13:17 Jordach reactor, i can hold a copy, but not work on it
13:23 reactor I will talk to you when I pack it; it would be best if someone could at least keep it compatible with current MT.
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13:37 PilzAdam Jordach, use MT textures!
13:37 Jordach /part nope.avi
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14:06 Rhy5 Mark!
14:07 markveidemanis Rhy5!
14:07 markveidemanis Got more photography done
14:07 Rhy5 Gouda.
14:07 reactor Pornography?
14:07 Rhy5 Mark must like doing some of dat. :3
14:07 markveidemanis ha ha fucking ha
14:07 markveidemanis WTF you are 11
14:07 markveidemanis 148 photos
14:07 Rhy5 I never said I would... O_O
14:08 markveidemanis poor loggingbot_ , so much to go through
14:09 Jordach loggingbot did nothing wrong
14:11 reactor markveidemanis: bit late, but... said who?
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14:13 john_minetest Hello everyfouriertansformedpony
14:14 Jordach http://i.imgur.com/TyBtpKp.png :PD
14:14 john_minetest http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wr15eJAGkiM <- Listening for that for 50 minutes now.
14:15 john_minetest Lol: http://www.raidz3ro.com/media/catalog/produ​ct/cache/1/image/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27​136e95/r/i/rickroll-t-shirt-thumbnail.jpg
14:17 reactor Fun fact. If you take inverse Fourier tranform of john_minetest, you get a function describing sexual response to imagery of ponies by neraly spherical (read: obese) brony in vacuum.
14:18 reactor Jordach: hmm, vertical slab in the middle of a block? Or pane?
14:18 Jordach glass panes are difficult to render
14:18 Jordach even glass in general is
14:18 PilzAdam Jordach, use MT textures!
14:18 Jordach 3 times by PilzAdam
14:19 john_minetest reactor: I am no brony
14:19 reactor MT textures look a bit "rough", imho.
14:19 john_minetest MC textures look a bit "smooth" ,imho.
14:20 john_minetest And why don't I have got a monospace font?
14:21 reactor john_minetest: I see...
14:21 john_minetest Just because I greet you with "everypony" I don't have to be a bronie.
14:21 * sfan5 puts Rainbow Dash on john_minetest's head
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14:23 reactor john_minetest: I understand.
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14:38 rubenwardy Hi all
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14:39 rubenwardy Just to remind you all, there is an update to the node box editor: https://forum.minetest.net/vie​wtopic.php?pid=126233#p126233
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14:59 SirDigby http://us.reddit.com/r/Android/comments/1vl40l​/another_fake_developer_making_fake_minecraft/
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15:04 john_minetest Android sucks
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15:04 Jordach it does
15:05 Jordach they try to bring in the idiots to install their shitware and infect the device
15:05 john_minetest Lol, just working together with somebody. I code something, he says: "Oh, that shouldn't work, seems to be some memory bug." He codes it differently and it works. After reading a bit in the docs, he realizes that his approach is also theoretially not working.
15:06 john_minetest I wish there was an other, better OS for smartphones out there.
15:06 john_minetest Something free/libre.
15:07 PenguinDad john_minetest: what about tizen?
15:07 john_minetest SDK: Closed-source
15:08 john_minetest Why can't they just pack an ARM linux + enlightenment + busybox and ship that?
15:08 john_minetest And maybe some drivers.
15:08 john_minetest And NO JAVA.
15:10 john_minetest And no RPM
15:12 rubenwardy You can make apps for Android in HTML5
15:12 rubenwardy Apparently native, but not sure how that works
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15:13 SirDigby You know someone is spaming msg in here right
15:13 rubenwardy https://github.com/rubenwardy/HTML5_LineGraph
15:13 SirDigby actualy he is tring to get you to goto a fishing site
15:13 VanessaE I see no msgs
15:14 SirDigby asdfgfdsa is
15:14 asdfgfdsa_ fishing site?
15:14 SirDigby with that steller nick name who would of guessed
15:14 asdfgfdsa_ i was just asking a question lol
15:14 SirDigby whatever
15:15 asdfgfdsa_ alright
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15:15 VanessaE asdfgfdsa_: it is, however, preferred that you ask your questions in the public channel
15:15 asdfgfdsa_ ok
15:15 rubenwardy *phishing
15:15 rubenwardy ?
15:16 SirDigby has anyone tried xfce mint 16?
15:16 asdfgfdsa_ im not even trying to phish
15:16 VanessaE I use XFCE but not as part of mint (rather, Xubuntu 12.04)
15:16 asdfgfdsa_ i was just asking a question regarding gameplay
15:17 john_minetest http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DfCJgC2zezw
15:17 SirDigby last time I ran 12.04 xubuntu I had all kinds of odd things going on
15:17 SirDigby like the bar dissapering
15:18 asdfgfdsa_ is anyone good with the luacontroller in minetest?
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15:23 VanessaE SirDigby: my big, huge gripe is that S3 Suspend to RAM (rather, resume from it) is busted, on a motherboard that I know used to work (and I've tried it on three such motherboards)
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15:31 Jordach http://i.imgur.com/TqCfIZK.png
15:31 Jordach nearly there
15:31 PilzAdam Jordach, use MT textures!
15:31 Jordach 4th time
15:32 Jordach PilzAdam, I own the game, i can use them
15:34 rubenwardy You don't own the game
15:34 Jordach rubenwardy, as long as i do not pass the original textures around, it's fine
15:34 rubenwardy https://account.mojang.com​/documents/minecraft_eula
15:34 Jordach >Also, don‘t just rip art resources and pass them around, that‘s no fun.
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15:53 kaeza greetings
15:54 iqualfragile hi kaeza
15:55 VanessaE hi
15:56 Jordach sfan5, john_minetest, either of you are availible right now?
15:57 * john_minetest is
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16:05 rubenwardy Wow
16:05 * rubenwardy is uploading a github repo, 55MB
16:06 rubenwardy https://github.com/rubenwardy/ProSeriesMiniGames
16:07 Jordach rubenwardy, >amazing, amazing pun you have there
16:07 rubenwardy Yeah, lol
16:08 rubenwardy The maze in "amazing" is not even a model; it was a height map
16:08 * Jordach waits for blender to finish a test with Light Samples of 20
16:08 * Jordach prepares the 4K version
16:16 Jordach http://i.imgur.com/oBtyhrR.png <- early test
16:17 PilzAdam quote of the day: "if that was fixed last year, how does it crashes this year?"
16:17 PilzAdam Jordach, wrong textures!
16:17 Jordach -es
16:17 Jordach PilzAdam, 5 times
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16:26 rubenwardy I've found that /ignore PilzAdam helps in these situations
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16:38 harrison i never ignore anyone
16:40 rubenwardy !title https://gist.github.com/rube​nwardy/6c813e924b2667a62098
16:40 MinetestBot rubenwardy: Optimize this, bitch!
16:41 rubenwardy That algorithm hurt my head when writting it
16:42 sfan5 is that java?
16:42 rubenwardy No, cpp
16:42 Jordach you've just pinged Pilzy
16:43 iqualfragile PilzAdam: hmm wants to change mgv7 and is worried about nodetopia
16:43 sfan5 Jordach: if you want me to render anything.. telll meh
16:44 Jordach sfan5, john_minetest's already on the case for 4K
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17:01 harrison http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2542​132/Mom-leaves-children-including-8-month-ol​d-baby-freezing-car-goes-hunting-HOGS.html
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17:04 rubenwardy Hah. Daily mail.
17:04 harrison On Thursday, parents at Portsmouth Middle School were shocked to receive an email from the administration warning them of the risks their kids could face when snorting Smarties, including lung infections; nose-wedged maggots; bleeding and nasal passage scarring; allergic reactions and even smoker's cough.
17:04 harrison Some kids prefer to 'smoke' Smarties by pouring the powdered sweets into their mouths and then exhaling through the nose.
17:05 harrison Possible maggots: frequent snorting could rarely lead to maggots feeding on the sugary dust inside the nose
17:05 bspkrs they crawl into the nasal passage at night
17:06 VanessaE http://minetest.net/servers
17:06 VanessaE woot!
17:11 VanessaE well I was at the top for a bit there
17:13 Peacock do you know how many different bets there are for craps? this much http://s21.postimg.org/7drnvx1h3/​Screenshot_190114_12_12_11_PM.png
17:19 Peacock after finishing craps doing poker's gonna be easy ill tell ya whuat
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17:20 harrison http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0YPUfVq1f-Q
17:29 PilzAdam iqualfragile, he shouldnt care about Nodetopia
17:29 PilzAdam I am aware that I use an API that is indev and will change at any time
17:37 john_minetest harrison: That is one of THOSE videos again :P
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17:59 iqualfragile PilzAdam: told him you thought so yesterday, looks like i was right
18:00 PilzAdam iqualfragile, yea, read the logs
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18:19 harrison http://www.youtube.com/watch?featur​e=player_embedded&amp;v=fmFjmvwPGKU
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18:47 rubenwardy wow, Peacock.
18:49 Peacock uhm, wow what? lol
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18:50 rubenwardy gambling in MT
18:50 rubenwardy D:
18:50 Peacock well its funny money lol
18:50 Peacock at least i didn't tie it into btc's
18:55 Peacock besides ittl teach kids early on that you can't win against the house :p
18:58 rubenwardy What the hell is happening? (my video) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3​rpX-62FMKk&amp;feature=youtu.be
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18:59 BrandonReese Peacock, is your casino mod available for download?
18:59 Jordach rubenwardy, +1 for OpenTTD
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19:00 rubenwardy :P
19:00 rubenwardy Buttons are invisible.
19:00 rubenwardy The box is missing it's back.
19:00 rubenwardy The player disappears.
19:00 rubenwardy It appears to happen when any of the DOM elements move.
19:01 john_minetest rubenwardy: Lol, first I thought that was intentional
19:01 rubenwardy the box is 3d too
19:01 john_minetest Because it is much more difficult if your player disappears every few seconds
19:02 john_minetest pastebin.sabayon.org/pasties/s​tore/16258/vidder0001-0100.dvd <--- Render of Jordach's awesome stuff.
19:02 rubenwardy I might just rewrite the game.
19:02 Jordach or http://pastebin.sabayon.org/pastie​s/store/16258/vidder0001-0100.dvd <- if your client is crap
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19:08 Peacock brandonreese naw it's not up anywhere
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19:14 Peacock in any case the money and shops component would probably conflict with other economy mods
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19:20 Jordach hey enke
19:20 Enke Hey.
19:21 Sokomine regarding money/shops: i'd like to have a general interface (functions can_pay(..), do_pay(..)) for all those money-based mods so that mods that can profit from a monetary system (like my traders) can interact with them without having do deal with each individual mod
19:32 blaise hey, I dunno if this guy is still on but he asked me something and I was asleep.. maybe someone can be more useful to them..
19:33 blaise 09:53 <asdfgfdsa_>  are you good with the mesecon mod in minetest?
19:33 blaise asdfgfdsa_: quite frankly I'm uncomfortable with you addressing me privatly..
19:34 blaise asdfgfdsa_: and I'm not quite sure what you mean by "good with"...
19:39 harrison asdfgfdsa_: I feel offended by your recent action(s). Please read http://stop-irc-bullying.eu/stop
19:40 john_minetest I have also been PMd by asdfgfdsa_
19:41 nyuszika7h t
19:41 nyuszika7h er
19:41 john_minetest But it seems asdfgfdsa_ is a newbie and there is no reason in raging.
19:41 john_minetest Hey nyuszika7h
19:41 nyuszika7h hi
19:41 blaise lmao
19:42 * blaise shuts john_minetest a mouse, and an enraged mouse in an old fridge from the 40's and walks away
19:43 blaise damnit
19:43 * blaise shuts john_minetest, a mouse, and an enraged cat in an old fridge from the 40's and walks away
19:45 john_minetest blaise: That isn't really okay.
19:46 EvergreenTree My new computer is up and running!   I'm using it right now
19:46 john_minetest Old fridges might contain dangerous substances that destroy the ozone layer.
19:46 Jordach pics
19:51 Jordach ^ fail?
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19:56 john_minetest http://static3.depositphotos.com/1003686/179/i/950​/depositphotos_1794478-Old-rusty-refrigerator.jpg
19:56 john_minetest Jordach ^
20:01 * Jordach hears every bone in Jordach's back go click
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20:19 hoodedice Anyone on Saucy Salamander?
20:19 hoodedice Preferably Xubuntu Saucy
20:20 Jordach 12.04 here
20:21 Calinou I'm on Xubuntu Saucy
20:21 Calinou hoodedice, ask your question
20:21 hoodedice Is it stable enough?
20:21 hoodedice Last time I tried, it wouldn't install
20:22 hoodedice I think I must go with Raring instead
20:25 hoodedice I think I just asked
20:25 hoodedice A STOOPID QUESTION!!
20:25 hoodedice XD
20:25 Jordach :P
20:27 Peacock they shoulda called it Ubuntu Slutty Susan :p
20:27 hoodedice profl
20:33 Calinou Raring will be EOL hoodedice
20:33 Calinou don't use it
20:33 Calinou in 10 days
20:33 hoodedice uhmm
20:33 Calinou Saucy IS stable like any other Ubuntu version.
20:33 hoodedice I'm putting in Saucy now
20:33 Calinou ok :)
20:33 Calinou Peacock, Raring Rarity :3
20:34 VanessaE Rare is about right...
20:34 Peacock Raunchy Randy?
20:39 hoodedice =)
20:40 hoodedice seen Jordach
20:40 Peacock playin' MC :P
20:40 hoodedice How do you do this?
20:40 hoodedice !seen Jordach
20:40 hoodedice XD
20:41 hoodedice MinetestBot: seen Jordach?
20:42 MinetestBot hoodedice: jordach was last seen at 2014-01-19 20:25:58 UTC on #minetest
20:43 hoodedice I think Jordach just gave me a nice creepypasta and left
20:43 hoodedice w/e
20:49 adab hi
20:49 adab animals and monsters work yet?
20:49 Jordach nope.avi
20:49 adab why
20:49 PilzAdam there are mods for it
20:49 adab PilzAdam: where
20:50 Jordach https://github.com/PilzAdam/mobs
20:50 adab creepers too?
20:50 Jordach adab, nope
20:51 PilzAdam mobf has something like creepers
20:51 PilzAdam Jordach, do you have "nope" day today?
20:51 Jordach yup.png
20:56 fwilson PilzAdam: http://no.pe/
20:56 fwilson :)
20:57 hoodedice http://www.creepypasta.com/the-demon-within/
20:59 john_minetest lol
21:02 sfan5 !title
21:02 MinetestBot sfan5: The Demon Within - CREEPYPASTA.COM - Scary Paranormal Stories &amp; Short Horror Microfiction
21:02 john_minetest It is so paranormal
21:03 john_minetest Even worse than that russian sleep experiment
21:03 sfan5 this one's even more terrifying: http://www.creepypasta.com/the-expressionless/
21:05 hoodedice &amp;
21:06 hoodedice ampersandampsemicolon
21:06 hoodedice equalsclosingparenthesis
21:07 john_minetest !roles
21:07 john_minetest !stats
21:07 john_minetest lol, wrong tab
21:08 hoodedice Best comment on that one "wow what a rude ungrateful bcth she didnt even pay her hospital bill"
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21:10 PilzAdam john_minetest, puppygame?
21:10 john_minetest kittengame
21:11 john_minetest yeah :D
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21:22 VanessaE kaeza: *poke*
21:22 kaeza ?
21:23 VanessaE can you take a look at https://github.com/VanessaE/homedecor/commi​t/fabb7140088058ac7411d18a08fcdf67987f249a
21:23 VanessaE what did I do wrong here?
21:23 VanessaE right click a homedecor door while you're holding a sandstone slab.
21:23 VanessaE watch what the door does, compared to say, bare-handed
21:25 VanessaE before, it would just crash, presumably under the same sort of circumstances, complaining that param2 was nil.
21:25 VanessaE wtf?
21:26 kaeza wat
21:27 VanessaE yeah.
21:28 kaeza hmm cannot reproduce
21:28 VanessaE go to my Creative sefver.
21:28 VanessaE server*
21:28 kaeza it happened on survival server
21:28 VanessaE ok
21:30 kaeza cannot reproduce locally
21:30 VanessaE maybe it requires that moreblocks also be installed.
21:31 VanessaE well duh I guess you have that already :P
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21:31 VanessaE it's all EvergreenTree's fault anyway :)
21:31 VanessaE wat
21:31 VanessaE I can't right click-open while holding an admin pick!?
21:31 VanessaE yeah I can.  lag.
21:34 VanessaE what I just don't get is how param2 could *ever* be nil on a node that has facedir.
21:34 Jordach #minetestproblems
21:36 VanessaE *checks history*
21:37 kaeza do you have a backtrace from before the fix?
21:37 VanessaE this file hasn't otherwise been touched since December, and then it was just to add some wield images.
21:37 VanessaE um, lemme check, I might
21:37 * Calinou shields
21:37 VanessaE Calinou: please hang around, in case this is your fault :)
21:38 Calinou I can now only play dead
21:39 VanessaE kaeza: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/6782487/
21:40 VanessaE wait a minute....ilights?  I didn't see that before.
21:40 VanessaE wat?
21:40 hoodedice Dan's ilights
21:40 VanessaE yes.
21:40 hoodedice Taking revenge for ban
21:40 hoodedice XD
21:40 * VanessaE looks at the code
21:42 * hoodedice wonders what ilights could have to do with a door and a sandstone slab
21:42 VanessaE ok well the ilights part doesn't matter, it was probably just calling the on_rightclick callback because of the ownership checks prior to the rotate_and_place code
21:43 VanessaE so that's unrelated,.
21:43 VanessaE that's just the path that it took to get to the doors code is all
21:43 VanessaE that's why it also happens, or would probably happen, with moreblocks,
21:43 hoodedice check for on rightclick with doors
21:43 VanessaE I wonder if ShadowNinja's recent change to rotate_and_place broke something.
21:43 hoodedice That's what I would do
21:43 hoodedice probably
21:45 VanessaE why does it always take so long for this sorta thing to pop up?
21:49 VanessaE ok got it!
21:49 VanessaE line 279 or misc_helpers.lua
21:49 VanessaE well 280/281:
21:49 john_minetest Woah, epic.
21:50 VanessaE undef.on_rightclick(pointed_thing.under, node, placer, itemstack)
21:50 john_minetest I can set font in hexchat
21:50 VanessaE but, lua_api says:
21:50 VanessaE on_rightclick = func(pos, node, clicker, itemstack, pointed_thing),
21:50 VanessaE FAIL
21:50 hoodedice uhmm
21:50 hoodedice ?
21:50 john_minetest I have now Comic Sans as font in Hexchat.
21:50 VanessaE kaeza, ShadowNinja ^^^^^
21:50 Jordach get out dirty heaven
21:50 Peacock lol
21:50 Peacock thats like fav_idx in mainmenu
21:50 hoodedice undef.On_rightclick?
21:51 hoodedice It's undefined?
21:51 VanessaE it looks like I had the same sort of code in the original routine before it got rewritten, so this is my fault, after a fashion
21:51 PilzAdam hoodedice, no, its the def of unode
21:52 hoodedice unode?
21:52 kaeza freenode!
21:53 VanessaE wait, no
21:53 hoodedice unode = Can be placed?
21:53 VanessaE that's not right either.
21:53 VanessaE I dunno wtf
21:54 hoodedice wtf = Welcome to Facebook?
21:54 PilzAdam VanessaE, isnt that your code?
21:54 VanessaE PilzAdam: it was, but it doesn't matter actually.  returning pointed_thing as part of on_rightclick is a recent change anyway, so that's not the problem here.
21:55 VanessaE but somewhere, param2 is being lost when returning from the on_rightclick callback, near as I can tell, regardless of whose code is being called
21:56 john_minetest Wait... ttf support in minetest... That means I can also use comic sans there? Awesome!
21:56 * Peacock plays led zeppelin whole lotta lol
21:56 Calinou you could use any font
22:02 VanessaE PilzAdam:   do you see anything wrong with this code?  (this is prior to my quick anti-crash hack)  https://github.com/VanessaE/homedeco​r/blob/7a23751de4c829183e3c09d1d5320​1a442db8095/doors_and_gates.lua#L485
22:03 VanessaE apparently node.param2 sometimes sneaks in as nil, which if you look at the node defs above, is simply impossible.
22:03 VanessaE did someone break the on_rightclick callback?
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22:04 PilzAdam maybe its nil for ignore?
22:05 PilzAdam that would be wrong, though
22:05 VanessaE how could that happen?  the "node" is the door that's being right-clicked on.
22:06 PilzAdam the problem is, mods call on_rightclick() of nodes
22:06 PilzAdam e.g. the doors mod
22:06 PilzAdam basically every mod that overrides on_place does that
22:06 PilzAdam so you have to search for bugs there too
22:07 VanessaE of course, and I'd agree if this code hadn't been stable like, forever. :)
22:07 PilzAdam you should assert(type(node.param2) == "number")
22:08 PilzAdam and then youll (hopefully) get a backtrace to the mod that is calling it wrong
22:08 VanessaE well,
22:08 VanessaE I can reproduce the glitch by right-clicking the door while holding a Moreblocks/stairsplus thin slab.
22:09 VanessaE (the thinnest one, probably other sizes)
22:09 VanessaE hence my grabbing Calinou :)
22:09 VanessaE but the error you saw,
22:09 VanessaE http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/6782487/
22:09 VanessaE it looks like someone can reproduce it while holding an ilights light also.
22:09 * VanessaE tries...
22:10 VanessaE my guess, anything that calls the minetest.rotate_and_place() routine
22:10 VanessaE yep, ilights reproduces too.
22:10 PilzAdam yea, moreblocks just calls minetest.roatete_and_place() in stairsplus_rotate_and_place
22:10 PilzAdam so it _is_ your code :-p
22:11 VanessaE homedecor lights also, which also use that call
22:11 VanessaE yes, but my code was NOT doing this before.
22:11 VanessaE I made damned sure of it.
22:11 VanessaE I wrung this code out left, right and sideways before I PR'd it
22:11 PilzAdam misc_helpers.lua:260 whats "node"?
22:12 PilzAdam I guess thats nil or some random value of a mod not using local
22:12 PilzAdam can you change that to unode and test?
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22:13 VanessaE Ahh
22:13 VanessaE and that's not my code :)
22:13 VanessaE I never used the name "unode" :)
22:13 * VanessaE jabs ShadowNinja for fucking up her code :)
22:13 VanessaE lemme try it
22:14 PilzAdam git blame approves: https://github.com/minetest/minetest/bla​me/master/builtin/misc_helpers.lua#L260
22:16 VanessaE yep, adding the 'u' fixed it.
22:16 SirDigby glory to arstotzka!
22:19 VanessaE thanks for catching that, PA :)
22:23 PilzAdam pushed fix to upstream
22:23 MinetestBot GIT: PilzAdam commited to minetest/minetest: Fix minetest.rotate_and_place() calling on_rightclick() with nil/random param for node 4585e855a7 2014-01-19T14:16:22-08:00 http://git.io/1wucYA
22:32 PilzAdam bye
22:32 ShadowBot Goodbye PilzAdam!
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22:39 SirDigby Anyone else aware of a RoboCop movie that was made?
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22:57 NakedFury the new remake?
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23:05 john_minetest cya
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23:27 adab is there any cool server with possiblity to fight other players, and with low lag?
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23:29 ZStar2 We downloaded from the software center, but its an older version. how do we get the latest version?
23:31 VanessaE go to minetest.net
23:31 VanessaE or rather,
23:31 VanessaE https://github.com/minetest/minetest
23:31 VanessaE gt the sources.
23:31 VanessaE build it. :)
23:32 adab build it like a white man
23:32 Peacock we can also mail you a buncha punch-cards :D
23:32 adab that would be a lot of them
23:32 VanessaE https://launchpad.net/~min​etestdevs/+archive/stable
23:32 VanessaE or install the stable builds PPA
23:32 VanessaE that'll get you 0.4.9
23:32 adab so is there any not boring server for MT ?
23:33 Peacock lol
23:33 VanessaE http://minetest.net/servers
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23:33 VanessaE there are lots of public servers.
23:33 Peacock you're asking for biased opinions there :P
23:33 adab is any of thoes, not boring?
23:33 VanessaE try one of those ^^^
23:33 VanessaE people like mine (the ones on digitalaudioconcepts.com)
23:33 diemartin define "cool" and "boring"
23:34 adab boring = nothing is at stake, there is no challange
23:34 adab e.g. creative mode is uttery boring
23:34 Peacock boring would also be having to get permission to do anything lol
23:35 adab if you can't lose, then it's not a game
23:35 NakedFury play with challenges
23:35 Peacock something with either mobs, pvp or money then
23:35 adab I can make a challange of building 20 block high gold blocks dick
23:35 NakedFury recreate something in the game in a week
23:35 adab but that still is not a play, because I can't lose
23:35 diemartin adab, fun fact: you can't win either
23:36 diemartin you are endlessly trapped in a world made of voxels without escape
23:36 Peacock ive done the whole recreate something real routine, that gets boring too :P
23:36 VanessaE adab: Minetest is not a win-or-lose game.
23:36 VanessaE it was never meant to be.
23:36 adab maybe that's why it's so boring
23:36 VanessaE then so is Minecraft :P
23:36 adab well MC is quite boring too, but at least you can fight serious monsters
23:36 Peacock you can definately lose at survival
23:36 adab yea
23:36 VanessaE you get to "The End", defeat the Enderdragon...then what?
23:36 diemartin there are monsters in MT too
23:37 Peacock you can have your shit griefed,  your things stolen, etc.
23:37 adab VanessaE: then you could consider the game won
23:37 VanessaE adab: but you're still playing the game after that, yes?
23:37 adab no
23:37 VanessaE I mean, does the game just...quit?
23:37 adab no, but I can do that
23:37 VanessaE then the game isn't Over"
23:37 adab either way, it's an achievement
23:37 VanessaE "over"
23:37 VanessaE ergo, you haven't won.
23:37 adab either way, it's an achievement - under opposition
23:37 Peacock i could always make a WW2 game, and use geolocation to put people in their respective teams, ittl' be like the good ole' times all over again :D
23:38 adab there is no opposition here if Im building something
23:38 * diemartin shoots Peacock
23:38 asdfgfsa in my opinion, I think mc is more fun
23:38 diemartin BOOM! Headshot!
23:38 asdfgfsa less lag (xbox)
23:38 Peacock sniper rifles in mt would require zoom-in-formspec lol
23:38 adab so there is still no MT server that offers any *game* with objective and opposition to them?
23:38 diemartin Peacock, player_set_fov?
23:38 Peacock well thats just 049 thats laggy, 048 isn't as bad
23:39 asdfgfsa doesnt the hunger games server have an objective?
23:39 VanessaE adab: if you feel it's too "boring", not challenging enough, why not code something that'll bring such a challenge?
23:39 diemartin adab, in any case, I think sfan_5's hunger games server is prolly what you're looking for
23:39 Peacock because no matter what you code people will bitch about this or that being wrong lol
23:39 adab VanessaE: I code daily, here I wanted to unwind
23:40 VanessaE Peacock: as a mod, not as something built into the engine/default game I mean
23:40 adab diemartin: oh sounds intriquing, what's that - where?
23:40 Peacock well thats what i mean :P ex., whether i use areas or landrush, some people will always take issue
23:40 diemartin o wait... did sfan take down his serv? D:
23:40 adab VanessaE: I think I speak for vast amount of players: if there will be not a *game* (challange) in default MT, it will be quite less popular then it could
23:41 adab than
23:41 diemartin !up sfan5.duckdns.org
23:41 MinetestBot sfan5.duckdns.org:30000 seems to be down
23:41 Peacock adab unfortunately most servers are strictly regulated to the benefit of their regular players :P
23:41 VanessaE adab: my Survival server used to have tons of mobs that you had to deal with all the time.  they worked well but caused lots of network traffic, which led to lag.  I disabled them until that problem can be addressed.
23:41 VanessaE adab: my Nostalgia server has the classic DM and oerkki mobs from 0.3.x, still
23:41 adab VanessaE: how is it now?
23:42 VanessaE DMs will kill you on sight
23:42 VanessaE oerkkis are still as chickenshit as ever.
23:42 VanessaE :)
23:42 VanessaE (the environment is very ancient and is meant to look that way)
23:44 diemartin adab, seems to be down for the time being, sorry. ( https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=5870 )
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23:46 diemartin it's enke's fault >:(
23:46 Enke Why's it my fault?
23:47 VanessaE he has to blame it on SOMEONE :)
23:47 Enke And I was handy.
23:47 VanessaE haha
23:47 VanessaE aw we all lova ya :)
23:47 VanessaE love* too
23:47 diemartin :P
23:48 Enke :)
23:48 ZStar2 not very good at linux yet. how do I install a ppa?
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23:51 Enke In our robotics course, if something broke, we would blame it on someone who wasn't there. It was easier that way.
23:55 Peacock what makes you think software is different?
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23:58 Peacock one of my favorite bug report responses i frequently get on linux thingies is "your ram/bios/disk is broken", because then i get to point out i get the same error across several different machines :P

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