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00:49 VanessaE bbl
01:35 Megaf sfan5, ping
01:42 Megaf VanessaE, How do I know the branch I'm using?
01:43 kaeza git status
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01:43 Megaf # On branch udp_implementation_fixes
01:43 Megaf nothing to commit (working directory clean)
01:43 Megaf oh dear
01:44 khonkhortisan minetest --worldname name --server creates a server with that world. minetest --worldname name --go joins a server with a different world. Why?
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01:49 khonkhortisan git branch also indicates which one
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02:04 Megaf Ok, and how to I switch to the main master branch?
02:04 khonkhortisan git checkout master
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02:18 Megaf Ok, I know what I did wrong
02:18 Megaf I was using sapier's fork
02:18 Megaf I just deleted my minetest folder and got everything fresh
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02:44 MinetestBot GIT: ShadowNinja commited to minetest/minetest: Add minetest.override_item 574ed6a363 2014-01-13T18:41:00-08:00 http://git.io/v52f4A
02:45 Megaf ShadowNinja, what does that do?
02:45 khonkhortisan YAY!
02:46 khonkhortisan Let's say you have rails. One mod overrides it to change the textures. The second mod overrides it to make it conductive. If you have to say all the properties of the node when you override it, it can only be changed once. This function allows multiple mods to change multiple parts of a node without it breaking.
02:46 khonkhortisan it also gets around __newindex in lua tables
02:49 Megaf so that's big and really welcome
02:50 ShadowNinja Megaf: Try minetest.override_item("default:mese", {light_source=LIGHT_MAX})
02:50 khonkhortisan then do it again with another property
02:51 ShadowNinja It's a much expanded version of khonkhortisan's original code.
02:51 khonkhortisan thanks ShadowNinja
02:51 ShadowNinja You're welcome.  :-)
02:52 khonkhortisan but attempt has a p in it
02:52 Peacock can you still redefine nodes using the :mod:node method?
02:53 khonkhortisan it only adds a function
02:53 khonkhortisan so yes
02:53 Peacock cool :-)
02:54 Peacock function request though: please add /kick [minetest.kick()] :P
02:54 khonkhortisan override_item only works after that method
02:54 Peacock so the function works on the last register of said node, makes sense
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02:57 Peacock i finally got around to adding a chat filter to my server, though in total peacockian fashion, it replaces the message with something wholly offensive :D
02:59 Peacock *wholy
03:00 khonkhortisan I thought it was wholly
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03:00 khonkhortisan there's also wholely
03:00 Peacock ah, you're right, spellchecker gave me positives for both spellings lol
03:01 khonkhortisan google has a negative for one l
03:01 Peacock !g wholy
03:01 MinetestBot Peacock: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wholy_Holy
03:02 Peacock now everytime someone tries to advertise another server on mine, they're made to look like a drug-addicted prostitute :D
03:02 fwilson YES.
03:02 fwilson Peacock++
03:02 Peacock i'd paste the exact message, but i bet that'd get me into trouble :P
03:02 khonkhortisan wow I totally missed peacockian fashion was a reference to your username
03:02 fwilson haha
03:02 Peacock lol :P
03:03 khonkhortisan I guess I see by nick colour
03:03 Peacock all the users are the same colour on xchat, xchat is not racist :P
03:03 fwilson hmmmm i wonder if Peacockian fashion is the same as peacockian fashion
03:03 fwilson wait.
03:03 fwilson there's actually a user named hmmmm
03:03 khonkhortisan I have xchat, and I run out of colors
03:03 fwilson hmmmm: sorry for pinging you
03:03 khonkhortisan yes, and they change the number of m's
03:03 Peacock yes and i bet he gets pinged alot when people are thinking :P
03:03 khonkhortisan hmm hmmmmm and hmm
03:04 fwilson hmmmm... you're probably right
03:04 * fwilson runs
03:04 * khonkhortisan updates from irrlicht-1.7.
03:04 Peacock lol filter kicked in twice already :D
03:05 khonkhortisan 3 to irrlicht-1.7.1 - seems ok
03:05 khonkhortisan *1.8.1
03:05 Megaf folks, just did a git pull on client side, now I get this https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/1101
03:05 khonkhortisan Does it work in singleplayer?
03:06 Megaf yep
03:06 Megaf it shows that message when I press the button connect
03:08 Megaf if fields["btn_error_confirm"] then
03:08 Megaf gamedata.errormessage = nil
03:08 Megaf is this right?
03:11 ShadowNinja Whoops!
03:12 Peacock Ooo Ooo another suggestion: split the damn logs into daily files :P
03:12 Peacock (the main debug one that is )
03:14 ShadowNinja sfan5: Make MinetestBot use WebHooks, they're almost instant.  Or you could dissable MinetestBot's RSS commit checker and have ShadowBot announce commits.  :-)
03:14 MinetestBot GIT: ShadowNinja commited to minetest/minetest: Fix spelling of "attempt" 5434d87da2 2014-01-13T19:11:31-08:00 http://git.io/rBGZlw
03:14 ShadowNinja -s
03:15 Peacock how do you get the spelling of attempt wrong?
03:15 khonkhortisan It's such a cool commit, no concentration was left for spelling
03:15 ShadowNinja Peacock: I misspelled it wrong once accidentally, and I copied that line three times.
03:18 Peacock ah well, sometimes i roughly translate words and it makes no sense at all, like moisture -> moissisure (fr) [mold] :P
03:24 khonkhortisan I think the selection cube should wave if what I'm selecting is waving
03:28 ShadowNinja That would be nice, but probably very hard to do.
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03:49 tiemay Is minetest still called minetest C55? Or is it just minetest now?
03:49 khonkhortisan the c55 was removed
03:50 tiemay ok, thanks
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06:35 khonkhortisan GUITextInputMenu::regenerateGui - a text box sends itself a fake KEY_END keypress when the window is resized.
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06:36 khonkhortisan Even if the textbox isn't selected
06:48 Peacock seems legit
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10:49 Megaf Hi all
10:50 Megaf and the following pretty much sums the list of players of most servers, "Guest***** and Admin**** and combinations of the word admin"
10:50 proller BAN THEM NOW
10:51 VanessaE hi
10:55 Megaf The average of players on my server now a days is only 3
10:55 Megaf Because I set strict mode and players are obligated to set a password
10:55 Megaf This way theres no Guest nor Admins :)
10:56 Megaf And it's as fast as it can be
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11:30 Calinou achievement get: banned off #ubuntu
11:30 Calinou yet again by ikonia
11:31 VanessaE heh
11:31 VanessaE and we're surprised by you getting banned from....anywhere? ;)
11:32 Calinou it's unfair, as usual
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11:53 Peacock lol what do you have to do to get banned from ubuntu?
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12:33 sfan5 meow
12:33 sfan5 hi everyone
12:33 VanessaE hi
12:34 Peacock no </cat>
12:36 sfan5 <cat> <kitten> <meow>
12:36 * Peacock tosses cat treats
12:37 enchilado Peacock: he didn't even do anything, I'm really confused
12:37 * sfan5 puts a kitten on Peacock's head
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12:37 Peacock cats always say no, otherwise they wouldn't be cats
12:39 Peacock i recently read a study about how cats don't recognize their owners, of course the premise was wrong: cats don't have owners, they have staff
12:39 sfan5 lol
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12:45 VanessaE whoever promoted that study is an idiot :)
12:45 VanessaE my cats recognize me quite well, thank you
12:46 sfan5 you have cats?
12:46 sfan5 can I cuddle them?
12:47 Peacock well i love cats, smaller than dogs, but much bigger cojones lol
12:47 VanessaE I dunno how well that will work over the internet, but I'm sure Jeannie would love to.  Cookie...well...she's still insane.
12:47 VanessaE (too young, immature)
12:47 Peacock seems the more you tell them not to do something, the more they do it XD
12:47 sfan5 VanessaE: just send them to germany
12:48 Peacock EU quarantine, they would be lonely :(
12:48 VanessaE sfan5: I've got a couple of boxes here that are just about the right size to ship a cat....  :P
12:48 VanessaE Cookie's been a demon lately
12:48 sfan5 well, cats love boxes
12:48 sfan5 give her a cookie
12:48 VanessaE she's at that age where she's pushing her boundaries
12:48 sfan5 :P
12:48 Peacock tell me about, i can't throw a single box out lol
12:49 VanessaE I'm gonna have to take out a loan to pay next month's water bill if I have to use the spray bottle on her too much more :P
12:50 Peacock i dont need spray bottles, my cat's afraid of balloons, she popped one as a kitten :P
12:51 VanessaE oh, so just some of that large-blister bubble wrap then :D
12:51 Peacock she's even afraid of plastic bags
12:51 Peacock you should see her run when im about to scoop litter lol
12:51 VanessaE now that's weird.
12:52 VanessaE cats usually like to play with plastic bags for some odd reason
12:52 VanessaE mine can't help watching when I'm taking care of the litter.
12:52 Peacock i guess it resembles too much the look or feel of balloons lol
12:52 VanessaE heh
12:53 Peacock though that's not nearly as frustrating as the cat refusing to touch her bowl if it's more than half empty - as if saving the rest (rations) :P
12:54 VanessaE that's when you ignore her.
12:54 VanessaE if she protests that it's "empty", ignore her.
12:54 VanessaE she will eventually learn that half full != empty
12:54 Peacock well when it comes to water i have to change every two days lol
12:55 VanessaE of course, I use an auto-feeder
12:55 VanessaE saves me time :)
12:55 Peacock i had another cat before, she used to drop all her toys in the water after a day lol
12:55 Peacock i dont know if she thought she was cleaning her toys or telling me to change the water lol
12:55 VanessaE they all do that for some reason
12:56 VanessaE or most do anyway
12:56 Peacock not my present kitty, she's half persian, and most people describe her as very royalty-like lol
12:56 Peacock does your cat scoop her food out of the bowl before eating it?
12:56 VanessaE well, Cookie is mostly Siamese, the black and white kind
12:57 VanessaE not sure how much is
12:57 Peacock most people who come over tend to freak when they see the cat scoop food out of her bowl before eating it lol
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13:42 sfan5 ahahaha, it got me again
13:42 sfan5 the cloud-to-butt extension is genius
13:43 sfan5 >https://butt-2.steampowered.com [...]
13:43 VanessaE ?
13:44 sfan5 ? ?
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13:44 VanessaE steam-butt-powered....sounds like something that depends on farts. :P
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13:54 Hirato I hear the service is pretty ass
13:55 VanessaE ?
13:55 VanessaE heh'
13:55 Hirato That's a hirato(tm) bad joke
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14:43 BlockMen hi
14:45 VanessaE hi
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14:47 BlockMen VanessaE, i think i have fixed the problem at pyramids. but havent tested
14:47 VanessaE ok
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14:50 VanessaE I still have no idea how that particular crash happened - it has yet to happene egain
14:50 VanessaE happen again*
14:53 BlockMen strange is that it says L316 since there it is part of outcommented function
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14:58 VanessaE my copy might be out of date compared to your local copy, or maybe you have changes you hadn't pushed to the repo yet
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15:02 xyz do you like macros as much as I do? http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=LhyHvZzR
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15:10 sfan5 oh god what the fuck is that
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16:05 MinetestBot GIT: BlockMen commited to minetest/minetest: Fix building under MSVC 84bbe1ec6e 2014-01-14T07:14:56-08:00 http://git.io/v_1Gnw
16:07 kaeza greetings
16:07 VanessaE hey'
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16:12 ShadowNinja ~later tell Megaf Setting strict_protocol_version_checking will also block out a lot of legitimate players.  They will need to use stable if you use stable, and they will need to use dev if you use dev.
16:12 ShadowBot ShadowNinja: O.K.
16:17 rubenwardy Is putting a mod on a server, and then sending the textures and stuff to the client redistrubution?
16:18 VanessaE nope
16:18 rubenwardy Can you explain that to #openttd on  OFTC?
16:19 VanessaE at least I don't think so.  under US copyright law that would probably be considered a core function of the system and would be allowed under the same rules that allow things like loading the program into memory in order to run it
16:19 VanessaE but IANACL s
16:19 VanessaE so better to ask one.
16:19 VanessaE #openttd?
16:19 rubenwardy on OFTC server
16:19 VanessaE OFTC?
16:19 VanessaE what's this?
16:19 rubenwardy Like freenode
16:19 rubenwardy but OFTC
16:20 VanessaE what's the controversy exactly?
16:20 VanessaE whose mod, what license, what kind of server, etc?
16:21 rubenwardy https://gist.github.com/rube​nwardy/7480041257aadabd8ca3
16:22 VanessaE just FYI, -ND is no derivatives, not no-redistribution.
16:23 VanessaE means someone can't take the work and modify it.  doesn't mean they can't redistribute what they receive (as long as it's unchanged)
16:23 VanessaE that aside...
16:23 VanessaE *reading*
16:24 VanessaE HAH
16:25 VanessaE according to ...  my .. friend
16:25 VanessaE I ain't no lawyer :P
16:25 rubenwardy Just exagerating
16:25 VanessaE I figured :)
16:25 VanessaE (just trying to obscure the text to prevent a search linkback or whatever it's called)
16:26 kaeza I'm surprised there isn't a -NU ("not use") license
16:26 VanessaE seriously though
16:26 VanessaE there is what we call 'Fair Use' here
16:27 VanessaE under the Fair Use exceptions to US Copyright law, things like sending program logic/data/artwork to a server's clients, if that's what it takes to make that data work properly, would be exempt because it's impossible for the system to work any other way
16:28 VanessaE and because it doesn't facilitate copyright infringement - you can't exactly extract and re-use that data outside of the system
16:28 VanessaE and it doesn't contribute to any kind of commercial use
16:28 VanessaE there are a few other rules that have to apply
16:29 VanessaE there is either case law/precedent, or actual codified law, I forget which, that says in no uncertain terms, that things like loading a program into memory in order to run it, or temporarily caching/buffering a live video stream, images from a webpage (and indeed the whole web page), etc also does not constitute infrigement
16:29 VanessaE because, for the same reason, such systems simply cannot work at all without doing that.
16:30 VanessaE other countries have similar exemptions.  some countries have no such allowances though
16:30 VanessaE idk exactly who does and who does not.
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16:31 VanessaE the same argument can be made for things like Java, Javascript, or Flash.
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16:31 VanessaE those require sending both program logic and image data from the server to the client.
16:32 VanessaE try using a copyright infringement claim against someone who uses a module you developed, but in a way you didn't want/expect.
16:32 xyz what the fuck?
16:32 VanessaE unless your license expressly says you (as the server owner) can't do that, well, you probably can. :)
16:33 xyz there's no "no redistribution" clause in -ND
16:33 VanessaE xyz: butt out.
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16:33 xyz VanessaE: that's not nice
16:34 VanessaE xyz: you have a habit of being far worse.  that's as nice as I can be right now given how you ended our last conversation. :P
16:34 xyz how I did?
16:34 xyz I just left?
16:35 xyz because I was tired of some stuff
16:35 VanessaE "this conversation is useless" *click*
16:35 xyz because I was fixing this shit
16:35 xyz and you were getting on my nerves
16:35 VanessaE right after claiming that I said the forums were *down* when i clearly said they had "problems".
16:35 VanessaE problems != down
16:35 xyz alright, alright
16:35 xyz I got it
16:35 xyz happy now?
16:35 VanessaE ...
16:35 xyz no need to tell me to "butt out" now
16:35 VanessaE ok
16:36 VanessaE meanwhile, rubenwardy I'm curious....what else did they say? :)
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16:36 rubenwardy That was pretty much the end.
16:37 kaeza case in point
16:37 kaeza nuff said
16:37 VanessaE *facepalm*
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17:37 PenguinDad weird http://pastebin.com/SPwWPjwi
17:38 PilzAdam Hello everyone!
17:38 PenguinDad hi PilzAdam
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17:47 PilzAdam quote of the day: "Please, dont delete worcbench!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Markov is a noob!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"
17:49 PilzAdam todays spotlight issue: https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/1098
17:49 PenguinDad could somebody help me with my problem?
17:51 VanessaE PenguinDad: https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/1101
17:51 PilzAdam PenguinDad, what do you do to make it crash?
17:53 VanessaE PilzAdam: kahrl's formspec table commit (8966c16ad2) may be the cause).  at least one other has reported this same crash in addition to penguin and megaf
17:53 VanessaE -)
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17:58 PenguinDad PilzAdam: I only tried to connect to a server
17:58 VanessaE PenguinDad: try backing your local copy down to commit 2b1eff7725 and recompile
17:58 VanessaE see if that works.
18:03 PenguinDad now it works
18:03 VanessaE ok
18:06 PenguinDad a rollback to 2b1eff7725 solved it
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18:14 PenguinDad Got to go
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18:37 SergioAD Hello I have an error opening minetest
18:37 SergioAD something like segment error
18:37 PilzAdam SergioAD, which version?
18:38 SergioAD 1.8.1 recently downloaded to my fedora
18:38 PilzAdam that version doesnt exist
18:39 SergioAD oh I see
18:39 SergioAD getting the real one
18:40 SergioAD 0.4.8-2 for Fedora 20
18:41 PilzAdam can you pastebin some console output?
18:42 SergioAD http://pastebin.com/sUzedipa
18:43 PilzAdam "Warning: The library version of the Irrlicht Engine (1.8.1) does not match the version the application was compiled with (1.8.0). This may cause problems."
18:43 PilzAdam thats a problem you should report to the package maintainers
18:43 SergioAD I see
18:43 SergioAD how can I use it on this moment?
18:44 PilzAdam you could compile Minetest yourself: https://github.com/minetest/mine​test/blob/master/README.txt#L83
18:44 SergioAD well it is from the Official fedora repository strange:/
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18:45 specing troller: did you enable my tnt on road?
18:46 troller no
18:48 troller today server faster?
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18:52 EvergreenTree o/
18:52 EvergreenTree o>
18:52 specing troller: slower
18:52 EvergreenTree o/
18:52 SergioAD trying with an older version
18:53 SergioAD 0.4.8-1
18:55 SergioAD not worked
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19:00 specing troller: why do jungle leaves drop normal saplings?
19:00 troller bug
19:01 troller "default:jungleleaves" .
19:01 troller ?
19:02 troller no, feature
19:02 troller only every 20th sapling - jungle
19:03 Sokomine hm. how does one conveniently register new stairs (normal ones are enough for this purpose)?
19:03 Sokomine the stairs-mod does not seem to supply a function that could be called from outside :-(
19:04 PilzAdam Sokomine, it does
19:04 PilzAdam stairs.register_stair()
19:05 Sokomine won't there be complaints about mod-prefix not matching modname? or is :stairs:stair_  a workaround?
19:06 PilzAdam its a workaround
19:06 PilzAdam it will work if you call it from any mod
19:06 Sokomine ah. ok. will check it then
19:06 Sokomine didn't know that that was a workaround. only knew that it was used to re-define nodes and change them after registration
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19:09 sfan5 >In sky buildings, butts can traverse the walls
19:09 sfan5 I love this extension
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19:33 john_minetest Hello everypony
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19:39 BlockMen bye
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19:42 khonkhortisan Between intlGUIEditBox::processKey and intlGUIEditBox::inputChar the numpad breaks. But other text boxes have the same problem.
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20:10 john_minetest http://www.whatdoestheinternetthink.net/#
20:10 john_minetest So weird
20:10 john_minetest The internet is very positive about pripyat.
20:11 john_minetest The internet is very positive about chernobyl.
20:11 john_minetest The internet is negative about fukushima.
20:11 john_minetest The internet is very positive about hiroshima. O_o
20:11 john_minetest Okay, it is doing dumb stuff.
20:12 john_minetest The internet is very positive about nine eleven. <- Lol, internet, what are you doing???
20:13 john_minetest Hey, but negative about black mesa and positive about aperture science,
20:14 khonkhortisan On the numpad, event.KeyInput.Char is the number when numlock is on, zero when off. event.KeyInput.Key is always end/home/ins/pageup/pagedown/arrows.
20:16 khonkhortisan A textbox catches the arrows, home, end by event.KeyInput.Key. Else it passes the Char, so pgup, pgdown, and insert get through as 0, 3, and 9.
20:16 khonkhortisan The check could be whether event.KeyInput.Char is zero, but that would probably break the real end key.
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20:35 PilzAdam john_minetest, "[...] lua is more popular than python [...]"
20:35 PilzAdam lol, "app is more popular than application"
20:36 Calinou I think python is more used than lua
20:36 Calinou there is less Lua than Python hate around though
20:37 PilzAdam D: "rainbow dash is more popular than derpy hooves"
20:38 * sfan5 puts Rainbow Dash on PilzAdam's head
20:38 * khonkhortisan fixed the numpad in the chat box
20:38 khonkhortisan Now to fix it in more places without breaking, say, player movement.
20:39 khonkhortisan if (event.KeyInput.Char != 0) { event.KeyInput.Key = 0 }
20:50 harrison PilzAdam is more popular than the harrison
20:51 Calinou that is true
20:51 * harrison is going to the garden to eat worms
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21:18 PilzAdam bye
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21:22 Peacock people really seem to like those slot machines i added on my server lol are there other kinds of singleplayer games i could add?
21:24 SirDigby I had no idears
21:25 VanessaE Peacock: there is a tetris game floating around on the forums too I think
21:26 Peacock hm, arcade games could be cool yeah
21:26 Peacock i thought about blackjack but thats 52 textures for a full deck lol
21:26 SirDigby Well, ! risked it and bought a fm2/fm2+ mobo.
21:27 VanessaE well if you have blackjack you have to have hookers and whatever else it was bender's always demanding :)
21:27 john_minetest slot machines?
21:27 Peacock hooker mobs :P
21:27 john_minetest blackjack can be calculated.
21:27 john_minetest If you are good you basically always win.
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21:28 Peacock you mean card counting?
21:29 john_minetest Yeah, something like that.
21:29 Calinou poker!
21:29 Peacock i thought about craps too, but i dont know how to play that
21:29 * Calinou gallops away
21:29 VanessaE also illegal as hell in most casinos
21:29 Calinou Peacock, it makes me laugh to hear "craps" like that
21:29 Peacock well if i add a deck of cards i could support most of the card games
21:30 Peacock seriously lol i dont know how to play craps, only how to take them :P
21:31 Peacock lol googling "deck cards textures" returns actually wooden decks (patios)
21:31 VanessaE heh
21:32 Peacock like you said, all thats missing is booze and hookers and ill have all the vices covered lol
21:35 ShadowNinja http://www.google.com/trends/explore#q=Minetest
21:36 Peacock seems most interest comes from Russia
21:38 ShadowNinja Freeminer -> "Not enough search volume to show results."
21:38 Peacock which don't surprise me, half my players are
21:38 Peacock too new
21:39 Peacock hell there ain't that much info on MT on that page (see Topics box)
21:42 ShadowNinja True.  But we're inproving recently.  :-)
21:42 ShadowNinja s/n/m/
21:42 Peacock i wonder if that's due to the new versions recently (048,049) or the various android ports floating around
21:47 ShadowNinja Probably the new versions.  The Android ports work especially hard to NOT mention Minetest.
21:47 Peacock well i think the users eventually catch on once they join the servers
21:50 ShadowNinja BC and WC popularity hasn't changed much.
21:50 Peacock BC im guessing is buildcraft, whats WC?
21:50 ShadowNinja WorldCraft, another name for the same thing.
21:51 ShadowNinja Terasology provides a good comparison.
21:51 Peacock last i saw i think there were 3 android versions, and 1 ios
21:54 Peacock well terasology is even more incomplete no?
21:54 Calinou terasology has no real gameplay
21:54 Peacock blockscape and space engineers both have good concepts (and awesome gfx)
21:55 SirDigby <Peacock>
21:55 SirDigby Whats your server.
21:55 Peacock Canadian Doge :p
21:55 SirDigby :|
21:55 SirDigby k.
21:55 Peacock lol howcome?
21:56 ShadowNinja Yes, terasology has nice graphics and features, but it's hard to actually play it.
21:56 Peacock well some people say the same thing about mobs in MT
21:57 Peacock if you come here just to fight monsters like in MC you might be disappointed, though its at least easy to add new nodes to build wacky shit with
21:59 Peacock damnit, found a tutorial for card game logic.... for ios lol
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22:01 kaeza Peacock, https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u​/100008207/minetest/mods/casino.zip
22:02 Peacock there was a casino mod? cool
22:02 kaeza simple Blackjack table I wrote looooong ago :P
22:02 Peacock got the textures? cuz i found a few free sets that i just need to scale down
22:03 kaeza the textures are there, but were automatically generated from the Allegro font (based on the old BIOS 8x8 font :P)
22:03 kaeza quite fugly
22:04 Peacock lol well i found a set of textures based on a classic card deck :)
22:04 Peacock guy went nuts too and made 3 other modern sets
22:04 Peacock but like with anything visually modern-looking, you want to poke your eyes out
22:04 kaeza hah
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22:23 Peacock seems im no luckier at blackjack than i was with my own slot machines XD
22:27 john_minetest If you play on your own slot machines, you get poorer a bit faster than normal.
22:27 Peacock well no, the 2$ comes out of my account back into my account lol
22:27 john_minetest If you deposit money at the bank, you get a bit less back since inflation is higher than interest rate
22:28 Peacock i had to test the winning sound so i ended up trying for half an hour to win lol
22:28 Peacock i haven't coded interest or inflation into my economy mod lol
22:28 john_minetest interest is atm lower than inflation.
22:28 john_minetest If you put money on the bank it gets less.
22:28 john_minetest Better invest in gold or houses or candy.
22:29 Peacock gold is actually down lately
22:30 Megaf ShadowNinja, I think strict mode is not that stricted
22:30 Megaf a lot of players could still connect
22:30 Megaf actually, most of them from Linux only
22:30 Peacock though ill probably add loans to my mod and use the landclaims as collateral
22:30 Megaf witch is a good thing
22:30 Peacock ding dong the witch is dead
22:31 Megaf I just cant spell that
22:31 Peacock :P
22:31 Megaf witch, winch, which
22:31 Peacock im also half sure stricted is wrong lol
22:32 Megaf weetch
22:32 Peacock i always confuse whether and weather lol
22:33 Megaf That one is ok for me
22:34 Peacock well englaice isn't my native tongue lol thats prolly why i get alot of players from france and french polynesia
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22:38 SirDigby What is the step mod?
22:38 SirDigby The staircases in your player homes
22:39 john_minetest Peacock: Gold going down lately was some artificial market fluctuation for sure.
22:39 ShadowNinja Megaf: Check the code: https://github.com/minetest/minetes​t/blob/master/src/server.cpp#L1919
22:39 john_minetest Gold is expensive and it will keep its worth over hundereds of years.
22:39 john_minetest It normally rises while money always shrinks due to inflation.
22:40 john_minetest And in crisis times it can be easily changed for food or other goods.
22:40 Peacock which is why we don't have a gold standard :P you'd have price deflation
22:40 john_minetest Exactly.
22:40 Peacock you expecting an apocalypse? (trading gold for food)
22:40 john_minetest War can also do that.
22:41 john_minetest In WWII, a lot of farmers got rich by selling food to the people.
22:41 john_minetest One silverspoon against a few vegetables and stuff.
22:41 Peacock if the world goes to hell in a handbasket, people won't care so much about gold, food and guns will be the currency lol
22:41 john_minetest Well, it depends on what happens.
22:42 john_minetest In war you are pretty good off being a farmer. Your field is not that likely to be bombed and you can earn a lot by changing gold for food. Every war will be over some day and if you got enough gold you can buy everything.
22:42 Peacock well if it's a nuclear war your farm will be pretty useless
22:43 john_minetest What do you prefer: Food that might kill you in the future or no food at all?
22:43 Peacock if it comes to that kind of war, i'd rather die in the initial blast than live in the world that comes after
22:43 john_minetest Well, I am more positive about it.
22:44 Peacock though im not generally expecting any kind of end-of-the-world scenarios lol
22:44 john_minetest Well, it might happen anytime.
22:46 Peacock hope you got a fallout shelter :p
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22:47 Peacock thats what i dont get about some BTC supporters though, when they talk about the collapse of fiat currencies and the economy... if the economy goes to hell, their btc's wont be worth shit to anyone but them lol (and even that's if people can still afford computers and internet connections)
22:50 john_minetest Nuclear war! While everybody is stunned, break into nvidia, steal newest graphics generation, heavy mining. :D
22:50 john_minetest Although some graphics chips are not really made for mining.
22:50 john_minetest And some are only useful for mining :D
22:51 Peacock i bet once the cardmakers realized the profit potential they pushed BTCs hard lol
22:51 Peacock and thats probably also the reason we're seeing new currencies now too
22:51 john_minetest There is some ATI that isn't any good but it is nice for efficient mining.
22:52 john_minetest Currencies on low layers would be the best thing.
22:52 john_minetest So every city has its own currency.
22:52 john_minetest Of course some things would become difficult but low-scale money works much better than global money stuff.
22:54 john_minetest http://i.imgur.com/JWnCbwt.png
23:00 twoelk works better for who?
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23:25 john_minetest twoelk: Experiments in financial crisis long time ago have proven that money on city-scale works very good. Basically no inflation and a better economy.
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23:28 twoelk better economy? not really. usually its back to the basics of a local scale with social control by the community
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23:30 twoelk greed usually pays of better if I dont know the people I'm stealing from - and they dont know me
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